Toronto Pick Watch (Top 6 protected)

[scott]

I don't even know who that player is :lol I know Hilliard played here for a short while cause nobody wanted him

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I love the way this lottery ended up... but picks #4 and #8 are kind of danger zones honestly :lol

Going back the last 15 years (note, this just cuts off Russ at #4 in 2008), using my proprietary Hit, Meh, LOL rankings (not rating 23 and 22 yet, still too early too tell)




Pick #4
Pick #8


2023
Amen
Jarace


2022
Keegan
Daniels


2021
Barnes - HIT
Franz - HIT


2020
PWill - MEH
Toppin - MEH


2019
Hunter - MEH
Hayes - LOL


2018
JJJ - HIT
Sexton - HIT


2017
Josh Jackson - LOL
Ntilikina - LOL


2016
Bender - LOL
Chriss - LOL


2015
Kristaps - HIT
Stanley Johnson - LOL


2014
Gordon - HIT
Stauskas - LOL


2013
Cody Zeller - MEH
KCP - MEH


2012
Dion Waiters - MEH
Terrence Ross - MEH


2011
Tristan Thompson - MEH?
Brandon Knight - HIT?


2010
Wesley Johnson - LOL
Aminu - LOL?


2009
Tyreke Evans - HIT
Jordan Hill - MEH?


Hit Rate
38%
23%


Meh Rate
38%
31%


LOL Rate
24%
46%

[Atl Spur]

Poodle for a #8 lotto selection= Fantastic no matter the draft.

[K...]

WE are not a storied franchise you little shits. we were. tabula rasa like the burn it down crew demanded. Draft savvy is easy when you plan off guys like duncan and gionbili who both came into the league at later stages than victor or most rookies these days. Victor year 4 will make role players and draft picks look better, he's not there yet. or you hope.

[Atl Spur]

I love the way this lottery ended up... but picks #4 and #8 are kind of danger zones honestly :lol

Going back the last 15 years (note, this just cuts off Russ at #4 in 2008), using my proprietary Hit, Meh, LOL rankings (not rating 23 and 22 yet, still too early too tell)




Pick #4
Pick #8


2023
Amen
Jarace


2022
Keegan
Daniels


2021
Barnes - HIT
Franz - HIT


2020
PWill - MEH
Toppin - MEH


2019
Hunter - MEH
Hayes - LOL


2018
JJJ - HIT
Sexton - HIT


2017
Josh Jackson - LOL
Ntilikina - LOL


2016
Bender - LOL
Chriss - LOL


2015
Kristaps - HIT
Stanley Johnson - LOL


2014
Gordon - HIT
Stauskas - LOL


2013
Cody Zeller - MEH
KCP - MEH


2012
Dion Waiters - MEH
Terrence Ross - MEH


2011
Tristan Thompson - MEH?
Brandon Knight - HIT?


2010
Wesley Johnson - LOL
Aminu - LOL?


2009
Tyreke Evans - HIT
Jordan Hill - MEH?


Hit Rate
38%
23%


Meh Rate
38%
31%


LOL Rate
24%
46%



Show us the top eight positions over that time period? I’d love to see how the other top 8 slots fair…

[Atl Spur]

WE are not a storied franchise you little shits. we were. tabula rasa like the burn it down crew demanded. Draft savvy is easy when you plan off guys like duncan and gionbili who both came into the league at later stages than victor or most rookies these days. Victor year 4 will make role players and draft picks look better, he's not there yet. or you hope.

Sir, we ARE still a storied franchise. Anyone that disagrees may want to brush up on the definition of what a storied franchise mean:)

[scott]

Show us the top eight positions over that time period? I’d love to see how the other top 8 slots fair…

Custom research requests start at $300/hr. Otherwise, you can do your own research.

[baseline bum]

Most of those trades were because those players were getting huge paydays. They had to move from pretty much all of them. The only question is whether they waited too long.

Waited a year too long and let Anunoby's trade value crater.

[Atl Spur]

Custom research requests start at $300/hr. Otherwise, you can do your own research.

Not necessary. Just thought 4 & 8 is no different vs 3 through 10. Enjoy the ride bud…..

[Atl Spur]

After an extensive 15 minute research on www.statmuse.com, pick 6 has also been a volatile selection.

[scott]

After an extensive 15 minute research on www.statmuse.com (http://www.statmuse.com), pick 6 has also been a volatile selection.

Boom, you just saved $75

[Knoxxx]

I thought the purpose of this thread was now strictly to make fun of TOR for tanking unsuccessfully HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

[MultiTroll]

Obi Toppin MEH
Why so low for Obi?

I'm haven't been a frequent Indy watcher. However in the 2 playoff games i've seen he's been solid.

[scott]

Why so low for Obi?

I'm haven't been a frequent Indy watcher. However in the 2 playoff games i've seen he's been solid.

My MEH for Obi based on his team with the team who drafted him. 7.9ppg, 3.0 rpg in three seasons. Not what you want to see from your #8 pick. Also, Knicks traded him for 2028 and 2029 second round picks.

He's having a nice playoffs, but still only averaging 12/5. Not exactly lighting the world on fire. I'd be interested in him as a RFA, but not for more than the MLE. Firmly MEH territory (might even be a LOL if you are looking at it from NYK POV)

[Atl Spur]

I thought the purpose of this thread was now strictly to make fun of TOR for tanking unsuccessfully HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

True indeed.

[MultiTroll]

He's having a nice playoffs, but still only averaging 12/5.
In only 20 minutes.

That's very good.

[exstatic]

lol Raptors.

[baseline bum]

I love the way this lottery ended up... but picks #4 and #8 are kind of danger zones honestly :lol

Going back the last 15 years (note, this just cuts off Russ at #4 in 2008), using my proprietary Hit, Meh, LOL rankings (not rating 23 and 22 yet, still too early too tell)




Pick #4
Pick #8


2023
Amen
Jarace


2022
Keegan
Daniels


2021
Barnes - HIT
Franz - HIT


2020
PWill - MEH
Toppin - MEH


2019
Hunter - MEH
Hayes - LOL


2018
JJJ - HIT
Sexton - HIT


2017
Josh Jackson - LOL
Ntilikina - LOL


2016
Bender - LOL
Chriss - LOL


2015
Kristaps - HIT
Stanley Johnson - LOL


2014
Gordon - HIT
Stauskas - LOL


2013
Cody Zeller - MEH
KCP - MEH


2012
Dion Waiters - MEH
Terrence Ross - MEH


2011
Tristan Thompson - MEH?
Brandon Knight - HIT?


2010
Wesley Johnson - LOL
Aminu - LOL?


2009
Tyreke Evans - HIT
Jordan Hill - MEH?


Hit Rate
38%
23%


Meh Rate
38%
31%


LOL Rate
24%
46%



I think Amen Thompson is a hit for sure. He was playing some great ball the last 20 games of the season and I'd take him over anyone in this draft. Also two of the LOL were Phoenix picks which skews the results.

[MultiTroll]

He's having a nice playoffs, but still only averaging 12/5. Not exactly lighting the world on fire. I'd be interested in him as a RFA, but not for more than the MLE. Firmly MEH territory (might even be a LOL if you are looking at it from NYK POV)
Obi's 18th and 12th in scoring / rebounds per minute in 2024 playoffs. :toast
Doing 60% fgs with 54% on threes vs NYK. But ya he's not gonna keep that pace up. :lol

Not sure why he gets limited to 20 minutes but assume Jim Carrey knows what he's doing.

[scott]

Obi's 18th and 12th in scoring / rebounds per minute in 2024 playoffs. :toast
Doing 60% fgs with 54% on threes vs NYK. But ya he's not gonna keep that pace up. :lol

Not sure why he gets limited to 20 minutes but assume Jim Carrey knows what he's doing.

I actually like Toppin and like I said think he could be a RFA target, but I don't think he can play starting PF. He's an anemic rebounder. His offensive game is better than Sochan's, and would love for him to come in and give Jeremy real competition but he his rebounding is pathetic. Not sure how he is as a defender.

[Ef-man]

If 4 & 8 are danger zones then, blow it up: Kevin Tran at 4, Fredette Jimmer at 8!!!

Do it Spurs, do it, come to terms!!!

[KobesAchilles]

My dream is Buz and Topic. And then re-sign Chip. Bc if these two mofos learn how to shoot then we will be set as a team going forward

[TDMVPDPOY]

My dream is Buz and Topic. And then re-sign Chip. Bc if these two mofos learn how to shoot then we will be set as a team going forward

why would he leave okc?

[RC_Drunkford]

My dream is Buz and Topic. And then re-sign Chip. Bc if these two mofos learn how to shoot then we will be set as a team going forward

they would get plenty of open shots with every defender sagging off of them, I tell you that :lol

[KobesAchilles]

they would get plenty of open shots with every defender sagging off of them, I tell you that :lol
Very true. The only reason why I like Dilly more than Topic is bc the dude can shoot. We don’t need a Rubio at the point. But if we think we can teach him then I say go for it

[Guru of Nothing]

What a ride!

[mudyez]

So can we now ride this tread until 2031? :lol

[scott]

Come 2031 we can trade that pick for a 2038 first rounder and keep the Kawhi Leonard saga alive

[jesterbobman]

I wanted the pick to not convey this year...but not like this.

[Splits]

what in the actual fuck. a 2030 1st rounder. great job gais

[exstatic]

what in the actual fuck. a 2030 1st rounder. great job gais

A 2030 swap (#1 pick protected) and a 2031 unprotected FRP. You don’t want their near term picks, because they just went to the WCFs, and we already have a number of near term FRPs piling up. You take the long term pick, hoping that they turn back into the shit team they’ve been for most of their existence. It’s a pretty good bet, actually.

[Splits]

A 2030 swap (#1 pick protected) and a 2031 unprotected FRP. You don’t want their near term picks, because they just went to the WCFs, and we already have a number of near term FRPs piling up. You take the long term pick, hoping that they turn back into the shit team they’ve been for most of their existence. It’s a pretty good bet, actually.

translated: hey Wemby, go sit the fuck down for nearly a decade while we suck and maybe we can get you a teenager when you're nearing 30, if you like the tacos that much