Another school shooting?

[pgardn]

So what youre saying is that its all about the amount of people dying,,,how fucked up is that? You democrats are a joke. So a knife might kill 3 people but thats ok since it didnt kill 20. Who made you democrats the quota kings of murder?,,,,

You have no clue what I am saying...
Read the fkn bottom line.

[ElNono]

You have no clue what I am saying...
Read the fkn bottom line.

:lol why are you paying any attention to gramps? He's literally wrong about everything. He basically looks like hater in the Ukraine thread, tbh

[pgardn]

Poster B :lol

DMposterC for Hemispherical poster Im thinking.
But who knows the mind if DMClueless...
Cant wait for the Roman numerals next.

[pgardn]

:lol why are you paying any attention to gramps? He's literally wrong about everything. He basically looks like hater in the Ukraine thread, tbh

Question is a relevant one.
Remember I warned you about derp when you tried to use logic and reasonable arguments on him.
I need to follow that rule. And with our other grumpa.

[ElNono]

Question is a relevant one.
Remember I warned you about derp when you tried to use logic and reasonable arguments on him.
I need to follow that rule. And with our other grumpa.

The big difference, IMO, is that derp was generally not trolling. When derp wanted to troll, he'll pull one of his troll accounts that screamed "I'm derp", which was sad/hilarious in a sense.

Gramps has to be trolling, nobody is legit that stupid and allowed to access the internet without supervision, tbh

[HemisfairArena]

You have no clue what I am saying...
Read the fkn bottom line.

I know exactly what the fuck youre saying, clown,,,you and the other democrats think you can put a number on murders and determine which weapons should be regulated and which shouldnt,,,,

[Ef-man]

The big difference, IMO, is that derp was generally not trolling. When derp wanted to troll, he'll pull one of his troll accounts that screamed "I'm derp", which was sad/hilarious in a sense.

Gramps has to be trolling, nobody is legit that stupid and allowed to access the internet without supervision, tbh

HaterFieldArena: Here, hold my beer.

:lol

[Winehole23]

Nature abhors a vaccum, what will we do without derp?

Perhaps a derp's-advocate will emerge from the spicy political mist of this subforum.

Downstairs

[HemisfairArena]

Get ready all you democrats,,,midterms right around the corner and bidens impeachment is near,,,with the overturn of roe vs wade and gay marriages and everything you democrats hold dear,,,,and theres nothing you can do about it,,,,lmao

[Winehole23]

Too on cue

:lol

[ElNono]

Nature abhors a vaccum, what will we do without derp?

Perhaps a derp's-advocate will emerge from the spicy political mist of this subforum.

Downstairs

This place is so much better without him. And I doubt it only applies to this place. So hopefully that doesn't happen.

Nothing to do with his political leaning either, we have a cadre of red teamers that don't need to be attention whores to get their points across, whether we agree or not with them.

Gramps is a troll account though, no doubt about it. It's the year 2022. Unless you have down syndrome, or you were dropped on your head as a baby, there's no way that's a functioning human.

[Winehole23]

This place is so much better without him. And I doubt it only applies to this place. So hopefully that doesn't happen.

Nothing to do with his political leaning either, we have a cadre of red teamers that don't need to be attention whores to get their points across, whether we agree or not with them.

Gramps is a troll account though, no doubt about it. It's the year 2022. Unless you have down syndrome, or you were dropped on your head as a baby, there's no way that's a functioning human.the inertial moment of quotidian ways is considerable.

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[Trill Clinton]

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[Thread]

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Regulate this, TC...https://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif
tee, hee.

[CosmicCowboy]

Thomas J Henry to the rescue. He has already recruited 4 families to make them rich.

[ChumpDumper]

Thomas J Henry to the rescue. He has already recruited 4 families to make them rich.

Those greedy bastards. All that happened was their kids got blown to pieces. They need to bootstrap it and build character from this.

[Winehole23]

Texas lege taking a bold stand on what's really important

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[Winehole23]

The midterms are just a few months away, isn't there an immigrant caravan we're supposed get nervous about?

[Spurminator]

The midterms are just a few months away, isn't there an immigrant caravan we're supposed get nervous about?

It's back... And this time it's bigger than EVER.

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[Thread]

The midterms are just a few months away, isn't there an immigrant caravan we're supposed get nervous about?

...+++ Russia will be foisting about in said midterms like every two years for the past umpteenth years.

[Blake]

Texas lege taking a bold stand on what's really important

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Instead of banning drag shows they should just drag proof the kids

[Winehole23]

Instead of banning drag shows they should just drag proof the kidsnature and parenting must be pretty weak if they're endangered by fleeting exposure to drag queen story time.

[Spurminator]

Instead of banning drag shows they should just drag proof the kids


Walled separation between the Boys and Girls clothing areas with an armed guard at the one door between the two.

[SnakeBoy]

Thomas J Henry to the rescue. He has already recruited 4 families to make them rich.

Seems like he's gonna have a legit case in this instance

https://i.imgur.com/phqcu82.png

[pgardn]

Seems like he's gonna have a legit case in this instance

https://i.imgur.com/phqcu82.png

I think you may find there will be a lot more money is suing gun manufacturers than the city of Uvalde or the County its in.
Hell I dont know how this all works but you sue money I am assuming. Maybe the State?

[SnakeBoy]

I think you may find there will be a lot more money is suing gun manufacturers than the city of Uvalde or the County its in.
Hell I dont know how this all works but you sue money I am assuming. Maybe the State?

Gun manufacturers aren't liable for their products working as advertised.

[SnakeBoy]

Gun manufacturers aren't liable for their products working as advertised.

If Salvador's gun had jammed before he could shoot a single person that might be a good lawsuit.

[pgardn]

Gun manufacturers aren't liable for their products working as advertised.

Well someone it going to test that again apparently.

[SnakeBoy]

Well someone it going to test that again apparently.

Well if manufacturers are liable for their products working exactly as they are supposed to then this country is fucked.

[pgardn]

Well if manufacturers are liable for their products working exactly as they are supposed to then this country is fucked.

That might not be the legal question brought to bare.
I dont know what it would be, but lawyers can get quite creative, I do know that.
And the Pub that goes with it might be more important than getting any money.

[ducks]

Sorry I TOTALLY disagree with you on a player's RIGHT to disrespect the flag. Professional athletes are paid exorbitant amounts of money to PLAY... They are NOT paid that money to make political statements while they are getting paid to play! If I started blathering on and on with MY political opinions and wore a shirt with a political statement when I was getting paid to work, management would politely call me into an office, close the door and politely and pointedly tell me that while I have a right to my opinions, they hired me to do the job they are paying me to do... NOT to express my political opinions on THEIR time.. Further, they would tell me to go home and put on a work appropriate shirt with NO political statement on it.. and then come back to work. I have 3 Let's Go Brandon t shirts that I wear regularly.. but I would NEVER consider wearing them at work because it would be inappropriate to do so.
Undoubtedly, they would also tell me that if I refused, I WOULD be fired.
Players DO NOT have a right to force their political opinions on the fans by kneeling, making gestures, or wearing uniforms with political statements on them while playing.
If said players were really THAT passionate about something, there are appropriate times and places to express their opinions. Doing so while you are being paid to play is NOT one of those appropriate times...PERIOD.. no arguments by you or anyone else on this issue

[ducks]

Gun manufacturers aren't liable for their products working as advertised.

Yep just like beer companies are not for getting someone drunk to create babies and then kill them
Yep just like beer companies are not when someone uses a car to drive someone over
Yep just like the knife maker are not when someone cuts someone’s throat with it

Is the manufacturer responsible for making the planes at 9-11?

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry I TOTALLY disagree with you on a player's RIGHT to disrespect the flag. Professional athletes are paid exorbitant amounts of money to PLAY... They are NOT paid that money to make political statements while they are getting paid to play! If I started blathering on and on with MY political opinions and wore a shirt with a political statement when I was getting paid to work, management would politely call me into an office, close the door and politely and pointedly tell me that while I have a right to my opinions, they hired me to do the job they are paying me to do... NOT to express my political opinions on THEIR time.. Further, they would tell me to go home and put on a work appropriate shirt with NO political statement on it.. and then come back to work. I have 3 Let's Go Brandon t shirts that I wear regularly.. but I would NEVER consider wearing them at work because it would be inappropriate to do so.
Undoubtedly, they would also tell me that if I refused, I WOULD be fired.
Players DO NOT have a right to force their political opinions on the fans by kneeling, making gestures, or wearing uniforms with political statements on them while playing.
If said players were really THAT passionate about something, there are appropriate times and places to express their opinions. Doing so while you are being paid to play is NOT one of those appropriate times...PERIOD.. no arguments by you or anyone else on this issue

:lol free speech

[Winehole23]

Today, he saiddd

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[MultiTroll]

Today, he saiddd

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:rollin Build Back Bitcher has no time to help the common folk but wants his R Team puppet protected ASAP.

[Winehole23]

Republicans refuse to pass simple, commonplace laws that work

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUvwkcnWQAI2Z78?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Thread]

Republicans refuse to pass simple, commonplace laws that work

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUvwkcnWQAI2Z78?format=jpg&name=900x900

I'd give 'em the last 3 on the left side and absolutely not another fucking thing!!!

[Winehole23]

:rollin Build Back Bitcher has no time to help the common folk but wants his R Team puppet protected ASAP.bingo

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[SpursforSix]

Yep just like beer companies are not for getting someone drunk to create babies and then kill them
Yep just like beer companies are not when someone uses a car to drive someone over
Yep just like the knife maker are not when someone cuts someone’s throat with it

Is the manufacturer responsible for making the planes at 9-11?

I know right? I mean, you're not responsible when you pee pee in front of kids. It's just your weenie doing weenie things.

[ducks]

'Blood' of Uvalde children is 'on the hands of Republicans' for not passing gun control: Texas Democrat

[Winehole23]

'Blood' of Uvalde children is 'on the hands of Republicans' for not passing gun control: Texas Democratit's on all of us, silly. blood shed can't be unshed
.

[boutons_deux]

Two of the uvalde kids' bodies didn't have heads

[Blake]

Two of the uvalde kids' bodies didn't have heads

Could have done the same thing in the same amount of time with a knife!

[DMC]

it's on all of us, silly. blood shed can't be unshed
.

It's not on anyone who didn't do it.

[Ef-man]

The Bart Simpson defense: I didn’t do it, no one saw me do it, you can’t prove a thing.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well if manufacturers are liable for their products working exactly as they are supposed to then this country is fucked.

This an oversimplified strawman at best.

You can look at their business and marketing models, potential fraud claims, and similar malfeasance that could be culpable aside from the products function.

[Winehole23]

no LE agency will own what happened. the conflicting reports amount to self-dealing, tbh.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU3AcGOXoBE0ih7?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Winehole23]

what are police for, not rhetorical.

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[DMC]

Is WH still clinging to hope that the police shot students and teachers? Is there any adrenaline left in that narrative, something to sicken you enough to excite you?

[Winehole23]

For those who lived through it, it ain't over by a long shot.

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[Winehole23]

Arredondo told the Texas Tribune's James Barragan and Zach Despart that he dropped his police and campus radios outside the school seconds after arriving at the northeast entrance of Robb Elementary, stating that he believed the tools would slow him down while responding to the shooter. Arredondo said that one of the radios had a "whiplike antenna" that would hit his side as he ran. Another he claimed was likely to fall off his tactical belt.


"My mind was to get there as fast as possible, eliminate any threats, and protect students and staff," Arredondo told the Tribune.


The chief pinned the blame for the 77-minute span between his arrival at the school and the elimination of Ramos primarily on officers' inability to find the correct key to the door of the classroom in which the shooter had locked himself. Over the course of the attack, he says he was given two different key rings to try.


"Each time I tried a key I was just praying," Arredondo said. However, few elements of Arredondo's version of events at Robb Elementary that day have been confirmed by other officers and personnel in the hallway with him. https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Uvalde-shooting-police-response-Pete-Arredondo-17233003.php

[boutons_deux]

Dallas Morning News email




Gunman killed at Duncanville Fieldhouse during summer camp, police say (https://linkst.dallasnews.com/click/28045041.38729/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZGFsbGFzbmV3cy5jb20vbmV3cy9jcmltZS 8yMDIyLzA2LzEzL21hbi1raWxsZWQtYnktcG9saWNlLWF0LWR1 bmNhbnZpbGxlLWZpZWxkLWhvdXNlLWNhbXBlcnMtdW5oYXJtZW QtcG9saWNlLXNheS8/6268080cd45f9d03f45cb6eaC72a4e3e1)






An armed man who attacked a summer camp in Duncanville on Monday is dead after being shot by police.

Around 250 children were at the camp (https://linkst.dallasnews.com/click/28045041.38729/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZGFsbGFzbmV3cy5jb20vbmV3cy9jcmltZS 8yMDIyLzA2LzEzL21hbi1raWxsZWQtYnktcG9saWNlLWF0LWR1 bmNhbnZpbGxlLWZpZWxkLWhvdXNlLWNhbXBlcnMtdW5oYXJtZW QtcG9saWNlLXNheS8/6268080cd45f9d03f45cb6eaD72a4e3e1) at the Duncanville Fieldhouse, which went on lock-down after the gunman fired shots.

Police said the gunman attempted to enter a classroom,

but the door was locked.

No children, staff or police were harmed, said Duncanville Assistant Chief of Police Matthew Stogner during a news conference.

Stogner said police responded to the field house in the 1700 block of S. Main Street at 8:45 a.m., two minutes after receiving calls about shots being fired.

The field house was the site of a summer camp for children between the ages of 4 and 14, he said.

[boutons_deux]

Law enforcement operating in self-protective secrecy

Texas law enforcement officials appear to be quite sure that they don't want the public to see or hear any further details of how law enforcement responded to the Uvalde,

Uvalde families won't be getting answers—ever—if Texas law enforcement gets its way

a SHITHOLE Texas "legal loophole" could be used

to block nearly all future information about the murders from being publicly released, indefinitely (https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-school-shooting-investigation-legal-loophole-68215709d6ee722466d225b7013cdec1?utm_campaign=Soci alFlow&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter).

Currently, law enforcement is refusing to answer basic questions about why police delayed engaging the gunman even as children bled out on a classroom floor,

after initial law enforcement statements on what unfolded proved to be utterly false in nearly every detail,

out of deference to the ongoing "investigation."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/6/13/2103966/-Uvalde-families-won-t-be-getting-answers-ever-if-Texas-law-enforcement-gets-its-way

[Winehole23]

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine is poised to sign a bill on Monday allowing teachers to carry guns in class after 24 hours of training, over opposition from teachers and a police group. Backers say the policy will make schools safer, but critics say that's not the case, citing experts' analysis.

The new law dramatically reduces the amount of training a teacher must undergo before they can carry a gun in a school safety zone. Instead of more than 700 hours of training that's currently required, school staff who want to be armed would get training that "shall not exceed" 24 hours, House Bill 99 states.https://www.npr.org/2022/06/13/1104570419/ohio-dewine-guns-teachers

[Blake]

Dallas Morning News email




Gunman killed at Duncanville Fieldhouse during summer camp, police say (https://linkst.dallasnews.com/click/28045041.38729/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZGFsbGFzbmV3cy5jb20vbmV3cy9jcmltZS 8yMDIyLzA2LzEzL21hbi1raWxsZWQtYnktcG9saWNlLWF0LWR1 bmNhbnZpbGxlLWZpZWxkLWhvdXNlLWNhbXBlcnMtdW5oYXJtZW QtcG9saWNlLXNheS8/6268080cd45f9d03f45cb6eaC72a4e3e1)






An armed man who attacked a summer camp in Duncanville on Monday is dead after being shot by police.

Around 250 children were at the camp (https://linkst.dallasnews.com/click/28045041.38729/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZGFsbGFzbmV3cy5jb20vbmV3cy9jcmltZS 8yMDIyLzA2LzEzL21hbi1raWxsZWQtYnktcG9saWNlLWF0LWR1 bmNhbnZpbGxlLWZpZWxkLWhvdXNlLWNhbXBlcnMtdW5oYXJtZW QtcG9saWNlLXNheS8/6268080cd45f9d03f45cb6eaD72a4e3e1) at the Duncanville Fieldhouse, which went on lock-down after the gunman fired shots.

Police said the gunman attempted to enter a classroom,

but the door was locked.

No children, staff or police were harmed, said Duncanville Assistant Chief of Police Matthew Stogner during a news conference.

Stogner said police responded to the field house in the 1700 block of S. Main Street at 8:45 a.m., two minutes after receiving calls about shots being fired.

The field house was the site of a summer camp for children between the ages of 4 and 14, he said.





In before the SeE? LOckEd dOORs WorKed! RAwr!

[Blake]

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/13/1104570419/ohio-dewine-guns-teachers

"Shall not exceed"? Nothing will go wrong there

[Winehole23]

"Shall not exceed"? Nothing will go wrong therecreating an express lane for teachers with grudges.

the more threatened public places are by gun violence, the more guns are needed for protection. and when that leads to more violence, more guns will be needed again.

the signifier of security -- moar gunz -- pushes out security in the same way idolatry pushes out religious belief. the purpose vanishes and all that remains is a more or less superstitious attachment to the fetish.

[Thread]

creating an express lane for teachers with grudges

The bastards had grudges on me, by God. A gaggle of 'em thought they had me as graduation closed in. They thought I was short 1 credit because I'd been kicked out of an English class late in my Junior Year. But, I'd taken a Summer School class that Summer and repaired it, got it back. Come graduation time a gaggle of 'em fucked up, went to the front end to protest my graduation ("He's short 1 credit!") and found out.

[SnakeBoy]

Greg Abbott Surges in Texas Poll Over Beto O'Rourke After Uvalde Shooting

Texas Governor Greg Abbott has a substantial lead over Democrat Beto O'Rourke in the race to lead the state as the nation is still grieving a deadly school shooting in Uvalde, Texas.

A new poll published on Monday found that Abbott, a Republican, leads O'Rourke by 19 points among likely Texas voters

https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/107067122-16535019802022-05-25t180007z_1397661846_rc2ieu9yr3pq_rtrmadp_0_texas-shooting.jpeg?v=1653502023

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao rally interrupted

[Blake]

Greg Abbott Surges in Texas Poll Over Beto O'Rourke After Uvalde Shooting

Texas Governor Greg Abbott has a substantial lead over Democrat Beto O'Rourke in the race to lead the state as the nation is still grieving a deadly school shooting in Uvalde, Texas.

A new poll published on Monday found that Abbott, a Republican, leads O'Rourke by 19 points among likely Texas voters

https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/107067122-16535019802022-05-25t180007z_1397661846_rc2ieu9yr3pq_rtrmadp_0_texas-shooting.jpeg?v=1653502023

Of course all the bubbas rallying for come and take it love Abbott. He's been a lock to repeat almost as soon as he got elected the first time

[DMC]

Of course all the bubbas rallying for come and take it love Abbott. He's been a lock to repeat almost as soon as he got elected the first time

:lol

A skateboarder losing to a crippled man.

[baseline bum]

Greg Abbott Surges in Texas Poll Over Beto O'Rourke After Uvalde Shooting

Texas Governor Greg Abbott has a substantial lead over Democrat Beto O'Rourke in the race to lead the state as the nation is still grieving a deadly school shooting in Uvalde, Texas.

A new poll published on Monday found that Abbott, a Republican, leads O'Rourke by 19 points among likely Texas voters

https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/107067122-16535019802022-05-25t180007z_1397661846_rc2ieu9yr3pq_rtrmadp_0_texas-shooting.jpeg?v=1653502023

LOL Uvalde police cowards

[SnakeBoy]

:lol

A skateboarder losing to a crippled man.

:lol

[Blake]

:lol

A skateboarder losing to a crippled man.

Oh burn!

[DMC]

Oh burn!

Take a break, you've earned it.

[Blake]

Take a break, you've earned it.

You're on fire, keep going!

[koriwhat]

Beto is such a fucking bitch like so many of the leftists and all their alts here. That dude rides his wife's coattails because he's done nothing in life whatsoever. That WHITE dude is appropriating a culture not his yet people buy it up as if he's not some Irish dumbfuck. :lol

[Winehole23]

Uvalde shooter had one.

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[Blake]

Uvalde shooter had one.

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The mask is a nice touch

[Th'Pusher]

Uvalde shooter had one.

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Wonder if those require a semi auto?

[DMC]

The price of ammo makes bump shooting problematic and the accuracy is severely affected. Nonetheless anything that causes an AR to fire more than one round from the intentional pull of the trigger (not recoil pull) should be outlawed based on the NFA.

[Winehole23]

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[spurraider21]

The price of ammo makes bump shooting problematic and the accuracy is severely affected. Nonetheless anything that causes an AR to fire more than one round from the intentional pull of the trigger (not recoil pull) should be outlawed based on the NFA.
Countdown till your post causes legislation to make that happen

[DMC]

Countdown till your post causes legislation to make that happen

Start a thread about it. It only requires an amendment to the NFA by the DOJ, it doesn't require legislation. You would know if you weren't so triggered by being put on a clock.

[Blake]

Countdown till your post causes legislation to make that happen

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

DMC IS ON THE CLOCK

[Blake]

Start a thread about it. It only requires an amendment to the NFA by the DOJ, it doesn't require legislation. You would know if you weren't so triggered by being put on a clock.

NO NO IT'S NOT LEGISLATION, IT'S ONLY AN AMENDMENT.

TRIGGEREDEDED!

[DMC]

NO NO IT'S NOT LEGISLATION, IT'S ONLY AN AMENDMENT.

TRIGGEREDEDED!

Bump stocks were banned without passing new legislation. All it takes is for Biden to say "get it done".

Tick tock, motherfucker :lol

[ChumpDumper]

:lol DMC put himself on the clock

[Dick Jones]

Countdown till your post causes legislation to make that happen
:lmao

[Blake]

:lol DMC put himself on the clock

:lol

[Blake]

Bump stocks were banned without passing new legislation. All it takes is for Biden to say "get it done".

Tick tock, motherfucker :lol

DM Semantics :lol

[boutons_deux]

Paxton says the uvalde slaughter is all part of God's plan

[Blake]

Paxton says the uvalde slaughter is all part of God's plan

Guns and prayers

[Isitjustme?]

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[Winehole23]

Who exactly gave Abbott false information, however, remains a mystery. Abbott last week declined to identify the culprits, saying only they were “public officials.”


Arredondo is the only police officer who responded to the shooting to offer a public first-person account of his actions. Other agencies who responded — including the U.S. Border Patrol, Uvalde Police Department and Uvalde County Sheriff’s Office — declined to answer questions about their officers’ conduct.https://www.rawstory.com/abbott-uvalde/

[Winehole23]

Who exactly gave Abbott false information, however, remains a mystery. Abbott last week declined to identify the culprits, saying only they were “public officials.”


Arredondo is the only police officer who responded to the shooting to offer a public first-person account of his actions. Other agencies who responded — including the U.S. Border Patrol, Uvalde Police Department and Uvalde County Sheriff’s Office — declined to answer questions about their officers’ conduct.https://www.rawstory.com/abbott-uvalde/

[Winehole23]

3 Investigates has also asked the Texas Department of Public Safety to release the interviews it conducted that day with officers while creating a timeline of what happened.


DPS is seeking to withhold that information, saying "revealing the marked records would provide criminals with invaluable information concerning Department techniques used to investigate and detect activities of suspected criminal elements; how information is assessed and analyzed; how information is shared among partner law enforcement agencies and the lessons learned from the analysis of prior criminal activities. Knowing the intelligence and response capabilities of Department personnel and where those employees focus their attention will compromise law enforcement purposes by enabling criminals to anticipate weakness in law enforcement procedures and alter their methods of operation in order to avoid detection and apprehension. Consequently, the Department believes the records should also be excepted from required public disclosure."https://abc13.com/police-response-to-uvalde-isd-robb-elementary-mass-shooting/11956031/

[DMC]

DM Semantics :lol

:lol LIP Blake calling the difference between executive action and legislative action "semantics". "Well, it's the gubmint so same thing". Too dishonest to call out his own echo chamber for pointing out the exact thing recently :lol

[Winehole23]

Closing the boyfriend loophole is a deal breaker.

https://news.yahoo.com/gop-dem-senate-bargainers-divided-214836099.html

[DMC]

https://abc13.com/police-response-to-uvalde-isd-robb-elementary-mass-shooting/11956031/

Still holding on to that hope that officers shot students and teachers. Let it go.

[DMC]

Closing the boyfriend loophole is a deal breaker.

https://news.yahoo.com/gop-dem-senate-bargainers-divided-214836099.html

It's a stupid provision. A TRO is all that's needed.

[Winehole23]

Evidently the real point of having a gun is to use it when your fist gets tired.

[Winehole23]

Releasing information to the public might be distressing to LEOs, so no.

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[Winehole23]

Dp

[Winehole23]

Story changes again.

Officers were there before Ramos entered the school, but were afraid to shoot.

A Uvalde LEO on the scene before the shooter went inside had an AR-15, but was allegedly afraid of hitting a kid. Others officers reportedly kept cover because they weren't sure who Ramos was shooting at.


The investigations are now showing that several officers arrived at the school before the gunman ever went inside, rushing to the scene after the first 911 calls around 11:29 a.m. reported that a truck had crashed near the school and that its driver was outside shooting.

At least two law enforcement cars arrived in close succession at the school, according to investigatory documents reviewed by The New York Times. One was driven by an officer from the small police force that patrols Uvalde’s schools. Another arrived less than a minute later, at 11:32 a.m., with officers from the Uvalde Police Department.

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At that point, the gunman was still shooting outside of the school.

Officials have said he was firing at the building and toward a nearby funeral home, but arriving officers believed in the moment that the gunfire was directed at them, said Chief Deputy Sheriff Ricardo Rios of Zavala County, who also responded to the shooting in the neighboring county.

“My understanding, after talking to several officers that were there, was that the gunman engaged two City of Uvalde officers when they got there, outside the building,” Chief Deputy Rios said.

He said the two officers, including one with the long gun, took cover behind a patrol car. They wanted to return fire, he said, but held off. https://nyti.ms/3HFJrnt

[ElNono]

Uvalde Hires Private Law Firm to Argue It Doesn’t Have to Release School Shooting Public Records

Some of the records relating to the Robb Elementary School shooting could be “highly embarrassing,” involve “emotional/mental distress,” and are “not of legitimate concern to the public,” the lawyers argued.

The City of Uvalde and its police department are working with a private law firm to prevent the release of nearly any record related to the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in which 19 children and two teachers died, according to a letter obtained by Motherboard in response to a series of public information requests we made. The public records Uvalde is trying to suppress include body camera footage, photos, 911 calls, emails, text messages, criminal records, and more.

“The City has not voluntarily released any information to a member of the public,” the city’s lawyer, Cynthia Trevino, who works for the private law firm Denton Navarro Rocha Bernal & Zech, wrote in a letter to Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. The city wrote the letter asking Paxton for a determination about what information it is required to release to the public, which is standard practice in Texas. Paxton's office will eventually rule which of the city's arguments have merit and will determine which, if any, public records it is required to release.

The letter makes clear, however, that the city and its police department want to be exempted from releasing a wide variety of records in part because it is being sued, in part because some of the records could include “highly embarrassing information,” in part because some of the information is “not of legitimate concern to the public,” in part because the information could reveal “methods, techniques, and strategies for preventing and predicting crime,” in part because some of the information may cause or may "regard … emotional/mental distress," and in part because its response to the shooting is being investigated by the Texas Rangers, the FBI, and the Uvalde County District Attorney.

The letter explains that Uvalde has at least one in-house attorney (whose communications it is trying to prevent from public release), and yet, it is using outside private counsel to deal with a matter of extreme importance and public interest. Uvalde’s city government and its police department did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Motherboard.

The city says that it has received 148 separate public records requests (including several from Motherboard), and has lumped all of them together, making a broad legal argument as to why it should not be required to respond to many of them. Earlier this week, Motherboard reported on a similar letter sent to Paxton by the Texas Department of Public Safety, which wanted to suppress body-camera footage because it could expose “weaknesses” in police response to crimes that criminals could exploit. (The main seeming weakness in the Uvalde response was that police, in violation of standard policy and protocol, refused to risk their lives to protect children.)

For example, the city and its police department argue that it should be exempted from releasing “police officer training guides, policy and procedure manuals, shift change schedules, security details, and blueprints of secured facilities,” because these could be used to decipher “methods, techniques, and strategies for preventing and predicting crime.” The Uvalde Police Department and Texas Department of Public Safety have been pilloried by the press and the public for standing in the hallway while a gunman killed children—against standard protocol—and for preventing parents from entering the building to save their children. The letter also argues that the department should be exempted from releasing body camera footage simply because it could be “information considered to be confidential by law, either constitutional, statutory, or by judicial decision.”

It is impossible to say what records, in particular, the city and the police are referring to in many parts of the letter. For example, it says it cannot release an individual's criminal history because it would be "not of legitimate concern to the public," because it could be "highly embarrassing," and because it would violate their common-law right to privacy. But the letter does not talk about who the records would be about, why they wouldn't be relevant to the public, or why they would be highly embarrassing.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/88q95p/uvalde-contracts-private-law-firm-to-argue-it-doesnt-have-to-release-school-shooting-public-records

[Winehole23]

wow, if this report is accurate LEOs straight lied about the door being locked and having to wait for keys.

one wonders what else they lied about, or indeed, if this leak is yet another lie. LE has been challenged to tell a straight tale from the get go.


Surveillance footage shows that police never tried to open a door to two classrooms at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde in the 77 minutes between the time a gunman entered the rooms and massacred 21 people (https://www.expressnews.com/projects/2022/uvalde-shooting-timeline/)and officers finally stormed in and killed him, according to a law enforcement source close to the investigation.


Investigators believe the 18-year-old gunman who killed 19 children and two teachers at the school on May 24 could not have locked the door to the connected classrooms from the inside, according to the source.
https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Uvalde-classroom-doors-17251116.php

[Winehole23]

All classroom doors at Robb Elementary are designed to lock automatically when they are closed so that the only way to enter from the outside is with a key, the source said. Police might have assumed the door was locked, but the latest evidence suggests it may have been open the whole time, possibly due to a malfunction, the source said.


The surveillance footage indicates gunman Salvador Ramos, 18, was able to open the door to classroom 111 and enter with an assault-style rifle, the source said.

[Winehole23]

DPS dishing on local LE to distract from their own public misstatements?

Pissed off county cops or BORTAC guys?

Whose interest is served by leaking this?


Regardless, officers had access the entire time to a “halligan” — a crowbar-like tool that could have opened the door to the classrooms even if it was locked, the source said.

[Blake]

Yeah just when you think they couldn't be more cowardly. Good lord

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVnpCOUXEAIpQ5q?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Blake]

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Yet the argument keeps getting made that they are. And people keep buying it.

[Winehole23]

Gonzales v Castle Rock explainer

Pretty mind blowing, tbh

tl;dr

Police have no duty to protect and, in this case, none to follow a state law that specifically bound them to act, because "LE tradition"



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[DMC]

That's not news (cops have no legal obligation to protect you). 2A folks know this already. Welcome home, Neo.

[daboom1]

That's not news (cops have no legal obligation to protect you). 2A folks know this already. Welcome home, Neo.

Let him work it out slowly, it's funny :lol

[DMC]

Let him work it out slowly, it's funny :lol

But pretty mind blowing.

[Blake]

That's not news (cops have no legal obligation to protect you). 2A folks know this already. Welcome home, Neo.

Lol "2A" folks

[DMC]

Lol "2A" folks

:lol "mind blown"

[Blake]

:lol DMC laughing at his own lousy jokes

[Winehole23]

But pretty mind blowing.so much for LE promoting public safety, what a hoot!

[boutons_deux]

Gonzales v Castle Rock explainer

Pretty mind blowing, tbh

tl;dr

Police have no duty to protect and, in this case, none to follow a state law that specifically bound them to act, because "LE tradition"




2005? The supreme Court ruled that citizens are not entitled to protection by the police.

And that overules any state law that police are required to protect the citizenry

[DMC]

so much for LE promoting public safety, what a hoot!

They can promote public safety all day. They aren't legally required to take a bullet for you. This isn't new, as I said. So your "so much for" insinuates that something was lost when in reality "safety" is just a feeling you had, enabled by ignorance, that got stripped away by enlightenment.

[FrostKing]

Approaching 100 pages

[FrostKing]

.

[Winehole23]

They can promote public safety all day. They aren't legally required to take a bullet for you. This isn't new, as I said. So your "so much for" insinuates that something was lost when in reality "safety" is just a feeling you had, enabled by ignorance, that got stripped away by enlightenment.the preexisting narrative that police are brave heroes who lay their bodies on the line to keep us safe took a hit too. like you said they don't have to and often won't , the massacre in Uvalde is an example of that.

[Blake]

They can promote public safety all day. They aren't legally required to take a bullet for you. This isn't new, as I said. So your "so much for" insinuates that something was lost when in reality "safety" is just a feeling you had, enabled by ignorance, that got stripped away by enlightenment.

DMC needs a gun to feel safe

[Winehole23]

Gonzales v Castle Rock is also mind-blowing for saying that police weren't required to enforce protective orders, despite the plain language of a law specifically requiring them to.

[pgardn]

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Not if DMC gets ahold of one of these "edges".
He is able to Bobby Flay 50 school children running rampant in a school yard.

DMC:
"The inclined plane, if manufactured at very narrow angles, can be used to cut jello.
I can produce this weapon in my garage but its not available to the general public. "

[pgardn]

They can promote public safety all day. They aren't legally required to take a bullet for you. This isn't new, as I said. So your "so much for" insinuates that something was lost when in reality "safety" is just a feeling you had, enabled by ignorance, that got stripped away by enlightenment.

"Yeah the 'safety belt' is just a feeling we have. Now the feeling is that you are strapped in and less likely to be pin balled around the inside of a car, but thats just a feeling around your waste and chest. You have now been enlightened. Welcome to the new plane of consciousness I exist in."

[Winehole23]

very tender feelings being protected...by the Uvalde fire marshal?

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[SpursforSix]

Yet the argument keeps getting made that they are. And people keep buying it.

Regardless of what they might say, I don't think anyone buys that. Just like the car argument. It's intellectually dishonest.

[Blake]

Regardless of what they might say, I don't think anyone buys that. Just like the car argument. It's intellectually dishonest.

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[spurraider21]

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:lmao

proven wrong

"back to your question..."

[SpursforSix]

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Ok...99% of the population doesn't buy it. Especially if they spend a few seconds to look into it. I even think the guy in the video now gets it. At least as far as hammers go.

[Winehole23]

They had a ballistic shield and enough firepower inside the school shortly after the shooter entered, but waited an hour to use it.

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[boutons_deux]

did the classroom have windows?

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVv968lWAAEg47D?format=jpg&name=900x900https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/20/uvalde-police-shooting-response-records/

[Winehole23]

[*=left]At least some officers on the scene seemed to believe that Arredondo was in charge inside the school, and at times Arredondo seemed to be issuing orders such as directing officers to evacuate students from other classrooms. That contradicts Arredondo’s assertion that he did not believe he was running the law enforcement response. Arredondo’s lawyer, George E. Hyde, said the chief will not elaborate on his interview with the Tribune, given the ongoing investigation.

[DMC]

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/20/uvalde-police-shooting-response-records/

Not defending the officers but you'd have loved it if they fired a shot and hit a teacher or kid. Oh you'd be all over that like flies on shit.

[DMC]

did the classroom have windows?

Tactical experts now weighing in. What does Occupy Democrats have to say about approaching an active shooter situation with handguns when half the LEO presence is barely trained crossing guards?

[Winehole23]

Not defending the officers but you'd have loved it if they fired a shot and hit a teacher or kid. Oh you'd be all over that like flies on shit.

I hope not, we'll see. People will continue to follow this story. Official stonewalling will only prolong their agony and feed suspicion that will they're covering up things even worse than what we already know -- that has been the pattern so far. Lies and smokescreens followed by worse and worse revelations

:lol @ you seething

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVv7LsrXwAEfhCP?format=jpg&name=small

[DMC]

I hope not, we'll see. People will continue to follow this story. Official stonewalling will only prolong their agony and feed suspicion that will they're covering up things even worse than what we already know -- that has been the pattern so far. Lies and smokescreens followed by worse and worse revelations

:lol @ you seething

:lol @ your desperation to find dirt. "man I hope they shot one of those kids"

[Winehole23]

:lol @ your desperation to find dirt. "man I hope they shot one of those kids"No desperation necessary, all that's been needed so far is to open one's eyes in the morning and read the headlines. The way officialdom has clammed up, it's hard to believe there's not more embarrassing news being covered up.

[Winehole23]

DPS throws Uvalde ISD police and Chief Arredondo under the bus.

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[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVyCOirWUAAFivC?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Winehole23]

So much for blaming the door

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[boutons_deux]

there's not more embarrassing news being covered up.

of course there is a coverup.

"The Texas Department of Public Safety is no longer investigating what happed with the mass shooting in Uvalde.

The investigation has been handed over to the Uvalde County District Attorney"

"“The District Attorney has told DPS that they're not to issues any more reports and that the investigation ..."

"the Uvalde school shooting as an ongoing criminal investigation could allow the use of the

controversial “Dead Suspect Loophole (https://www.tpr.org/show/texas-matters/2019-01-18/is-it-time-to-close-the-dead-suspect-loophole),”

which exempts law enforcement from public records request" :lol

https://www.tpr.org/podcast/texas-matters/2022-06-03/texas-matters-is-there-a-cover-up-in-uvalde

https://www.tpr.org/show/texas-matters/2019-01-18/is-it-time-to-close-the-dead-suspect-loophole

Law enforcement is beyond the reach of the law! :lol

[Blake]

" Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw told a state Senate committee Tuesday that the law enforcement response to the Uvalde school shooting was an "abject failure" and police could have stopped the shooter at Robb Elementary School three minutes after arriving were it not for the indecisiveness of the on-scene commander, who placed the lives of officers before those of children...."

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/21/texas-dps-mccraw-uvalde-school-shooting/

I wonder if firefighters decide to leave kids in a burning building because they don't want to risk getting burnt

[SpursforSix]

DPS throws Uvalde ISD police and Chief Arredondo under the bus.



I don't think of it as throwing anyone under the bus. It's just placing blame where blame is probably due.

[Thread]

" Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw told a state Senate committee Tuesday that the law enforcement response to the Uvalde school shooting was an "abject failure" and police could have stopped the shooter at Robb Elementary School three minutes after arriving were it not for the indecisiveness of the on-scene commander, who placed the lives of officers before those of children...."

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/21/texas-dps-mccraw-uvalde-school-shooting/

I wonder if firefighters decide to leave kids in a burning building because they don't want to risk getting burnt

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but how you gonna hang in on Abbott? tee, hee.

[Thread]

Same bottom line:::nobody wants to get shot cept in the movies and on TV.

[Winehole23]

I don't think of it as throwing anyone under the bus. It's just placing blame where blame is probably due.perhaps you don't recall the excuses McCraw made on the day of the shooting, or his various misrepresentations to the press. DPS doesn't have clean hands here.

[Winehole23]

The law frowns on self-help, but has no duty to protect.

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[pgardn]

How in the hell does the FBI get to take control of this thing?
Find some way to make this federal as this fkn State of Texas cant get it right.

[DMC]

The law frowns on self-help, but has no duty to protect.

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Mind blown 2.0

Seriously, where the fuck have you been for the past 50 years? This has always been the case. Are you so set in your safe space and surrounded by like minded people that you're totally ignorant of this simple fact?

[Winehole23]

Uvalde mayor melts down, blames everyone, but seems to have a particular grudge against DPS

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[DMC]

" Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw told a state Senate committee Tuesday that the law enforcement response to the Uvalde school shooting was an "abject failure" and police could have stopped the shooter at Robb Elementary School three minutes after arriving were it not for the indecisiveness of the on-scene commander, who placed the lives of officers before those of children...."

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/21/texas-dps-mccraw-uvalde-school-shooting/

I wonder if firefighters decide to leave kids in a burning building because they don't want to risk getting burnt

In some, sure. Depends on the risk.

[Blake]

In some, sure. Depends on the risk.

I guess I'm meaning "for an hour"

[DMC]

I guess I'm meaning "for an hour"

The kids are still dead so after that the time didn't matter.

[ChumpDumper]

Except for the ones that weren't.

Why didn't you kill him, DMC?

[Winehole23]

powers of reading ftw

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[Winehole23]

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[Thread]

https://comb.io/xxTWjp.gif

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THE query remains:::how in the world are you going to hang this around Abbott's neck, Winester?
tee, hee.

[DMC]

powers of reading ftw

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That dude was pissed.

[Blake]

powers of reading ftw

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Are they talking his city council job or his police job

[Thread]

That dude was pissed.

Just thank Christ Chief Arredondo is Mexican instead of white. Otherwise State run media CNN would have a field day ever more.

[DMC]

Are they talking his city council job or his police job

Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin said he would vote "yes" to replace Arredondo on the city council if he misses three consecutive meetings without a leave of absence. The council pointed out that it can't take an opinion or make any official vote because Arredondo hasn't actually missed three meetings.

[Thread]

Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin said he would vote "yes" to replace Arredondo on the city council if he misses three consecutive meetings without a leave of absence. The council pointed out that it can't take an opinion or make any official vote because Arredondo hasn't actually missed three meetings.

& if I were dondo I'd make that meeting. They'd play hell gettin' me out of either job...with the caveat that if I were fired I'd lose my pension, but I do not believe that is the case. He looks like the one they've decided to pin on the whipping post and beat him senseless. He won't be an easy clean nor soft seat. I'd meet 'em on the spot and we'd have it every day that ends in (y).

[Trill Clinton]

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[spurraider21]

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hopefully they get the kids out of there first

[DMC]

hopefully they get the kids out of there first

Still not safe to enter.

[clambake]

Pussy Texans with guns are abject failures, he said ha ha lol!!!!!!!!!

[Winehole23]

91 DPS officers stood around and watched.

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[Blake]

91 DPS officers stood around and watched.

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Good guys with guns

[Thread]

91 DPS officers stood around and watched.

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Good guys with guns

Nobody wants to get shot cept on the TV and in the movies.

[Ef-man]

Good guys with guns

Guess they were waiting for the installation of the metal detector and bullet proof windows before doing anything.

[Blake]

Guess they were waiting for the installation of the metal detector and bullet proof windows before doing anything.

Lol i mean, we're also calling for stressed out underpaid teachers to do the work of LE by having them carry guns into the classrooms.

[daboom1]

They had active shooter drills shortly before this happened. You people can't be this gullible.

[DMC]

Lol i mean, we're also calling for stressed out underpaid teachers to do the work of LE by having them carry guns into the classrooms.

You stupid, short sighted motherfucker. The alternative is they die.

[DMC]

Guess they were waiting for the installation of the metal detector and bullet proof windows before doing anything.

The left is working on that now :tu

[Ef-man]

Lol i mean, we're also calling for stressed out underpaid teachers to do the work of LE by having them carry guns into the classrooms.

But what if the teachers decided to also wait just as they saw the LEOs do? Or if they shot a student by accident as shooting is a perishable skill?

[Blake]

You stupid, short sighted motherfucker. The alternative is they die.

Because the cops stand there? Yeah I guess so.

Another alternative is to have better gun control, you false dilemma dumbfuck.

[Blake]

The left is working on that now :tu

That's your proposal, you dumbfuck. The left keeps proposing stricter gun laws.

[Blake]

But what if the teachers decided to also wait just as they saw the LEOs do? Or if they shot a student by accident as shooting is a perishable skill?

That's a chance the far right is willing to take.

[DMC]

But what if the teachers decided to also wait just as they saw the LEOs do? Or if they shot a student by accident as shooting is a perishable skill?

Then they die, because they are in the classroom, idiot.

[DMC]

That's your proposal, you dumbfuck. The left keeps proposing stricter gun laws.

I guess you didn't read the bill. Oh that's right, you have an issue reading. :lol

[Ef-man]

Then they die, because they are in the classroom, idiot.

Glad you agree that arming teachers is a very bad idea Chuncko. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

They had active shooter drills shortly before this happened. You people can't be this gullible.

What's your conspiracy theory here, Qhris?

[DMC]

Glad you agree that arming teachers is a very bad idea Chuncko. :tu

So being dead and disarmed is better than being dead and armed?

Do you just sling shit and see if anything sticks?

[ChumpDumper]

Has DMC installed any bulletproof windows yet?

Or is he still just talking about the men he's obsessed with here?

[koriwhat]

So being dead and disarmed is better than being dead and armed?

Do you just sling shit and see if anything sticks?

That's exactly what that puto does when he's not fluffing his e-friends endlessly.

[Winehole23]

Has DMC installed any bulletproof windows yet?

Or is he still just talking about the men he's obsessed with here?seething, tbh

[Ef-man]

So being dead and disarmed is better than being dead and armed?

Do you just sling shit and see if anything sticks?

Your shit logic proves you are ST's shit slinging expert, do not worry, your title is safe Chuncko.

Teachers have enough on their plate and you want them to take on LEO responsibilities/risks for a shitty paying job.

You truly are an idiot Chuncko!!!

[Ef-man]

So being dead and disarmed is better than being dead and armed?

Do you just sling shit and see if anything sticks?

Your shit logic proves you are ST's shit slinging expert, do not worry, your title is safe Chuncko.

Teachers have enough on their plate and you want them to take on LEO responsibilities/risks for a shitty paying job.

You truly are an idiot Chuncko!!!

[DMC]

Your shit logic proves you are ST's shit slinging expert, do not worry, your title is safe Chuncko.

Teachers have enough on their plate and you want them to take on LEO responsibilities/risks for a shitty paying job.

You truly are an idiot Chuncko!!!

You dumb shit. They'd be armed to protect themselves and their kids if it came to that. They wouldn't be engaging active shooters if they could get away safely. However, if you were in that school with a firearm, would you do anything? Or would you rather be unarmed and lay there dying as you watch your kids shot to death? Don't answer, you're just loading your shit cannon again to launch another volley of random shit and emojis.

[DMC]

seething, tbh

Says the weirdo hoping officers shot kids and teachers.

[Blake]

You dumb shit. They'd be armed to protect themselves and their kids if it came to that. They wouldn't be engaging active shooters if they could get away safely. However, if you were in that school with a firearm, would you do anything? Or would you rather be unarmed and lay there dying as you watch your kids shot to death? Don't answer, you're just loading your shit cannon again to launch another volley of random shit and emojis.

What happens if the kids overpower the teachers and take their guns

[Blake]

Guess they were waiting for the installation of the metal detector and bullet proof windows before doing anything.


The left is working on that now :tu


That's your proposal, you dumbfuck. The left keeps proposing stricter gun laws.


I guess you didn't read the bill. Oh that's right, you have an issue reading. :lol

You moved the goalposts, dipshit.

But while you're there, go ahead and point out the part in the bill where the bullet proof windows and metal detectors are to be installed.

Or fold again.

[Ef-man]

What happens if the kids overpower the teachers and take their guns

Leave it to Chuncko, the idiot former Air Force lab tech, to think that arming teachers with firearms will solve all the problems and have no consequences.

Idiot still believes myth about of good guy with firearms is the answer.

Twenty one in Uvalde found out myth is bullshit. LEOs have no responsibility to save your ass but he expects teachers to fill that void.

[DMC]

You moved the goalposts, dipshit.

But while you're there, go ahead and point out the part in the bill where the bullet proof windows and metal detectors are to be installed.

Or fold again.

You mentioned stricter gun laws. The bill has nothing about stricter gun laws. That same kid could purchase that same gun at that same time using that same method even with that bill in effect.

The Students, Teachers and Officers Preventing School Violence Act of 2018 (the STOP School Violence Act) gives the Justice Department the authority to provide awards directly to states, units of local government, Indian Tribes and public agencies (such as school districts and law enforcement agencies) to improve security at schools and on school grounds through evidence-based school safety programs. It also provides grants to ensure a positive school climate by helping students and teachers recognize, respond quickly to and help prevent acts of violence.

[DMC]

Leave it to Chuncko, the idiot former Air Force lab tech, to think that arming teachers with firearms will solve all the problems and have no consequences.

Idiot still believes myth about of good guy with firearms is the answer.

Twenty one in Uvalde found out myth is bullshit. LEOs have no responsibility to save your ass but he expects teachers to fill that void.

Given the fact that LEOs aren't required to act, teachers should be allowed to have the ability to do so even if only to protect their own lives. You've obfuscated this intentionally into requiring all teachers to carry a firearm to act as law enforcement and SWAT.

[Blake]

You mentioned stricter gun laws. The bill has nothing about stricter gun laws. That same kid could purchase that same gun at that same time using that same method even with that bill in effect.

The Students, Teachers and Officers Preventing School Violence Act of 2018 (the STOP School Violence Act) gives the Justice Department the authority to provide awards directly to states, units of local government, Indian Tribes and public agencies (such as school districts and law enforcement agencies) to improve security at schools and on school grounds through evidence-based school safety programs. It also provides grants to ensure a positive school climate by helping students and teachers recognize, respond quickly to and help prevent acts of violence.

Still moving the goalpost only this time with a text wall

I mean, I couldn't make it any clearer where you fucked yourself again here.

[DMC]

:lol Blake calling anything more than a 3 word blurt a "wall of text".

I posted the fucking act you stupid cuck

[DMC]

I suggested, to keep people out of these buildings, make the buildings impenetrable. Leaving the doors unlocked defeats any other measures. However with locked doors, someone here (likely you or race baiter) said they could just shoot out the windows. I suggest bullet proofing. Now you're saying I was hoping that congress approved bullet proofing.

You lose so often you have a natural defense mechanism of denial and distraction. It's cute but not effective.

[Blake]

:lol Blake calling anything more than a 3 word blurt a "wall of text".

I posted the fucking act you stupid cuck

I reposted your claim you retarded fat fuck. You're trying to hide it behind your text wall.

[DMC]

I reposted your claim you retarded fat fuck. You're trying to hide it behind your text wall.

You said the left is working on stricter gun laws. I said you didn't read the bill. Again you have a reading comprehension issues. It figures you couldn't satisfy a teacher.

[Blake]

Guess they were waiting for the installation of the metal detector and bullet proof windows before doing anything.


The left is working on that now :tu

Your reading comprehension skills completely blow.

[DMC]

Your reading comprehension skills completely blow.

The left working on that now.. not the right. They have the bill, all they needed to do was add provisions.

[Blake]

The left working on that now.. not the right. They have the bill, all they needed to do was add provisions.

Who on the left is working for bulletproof windows and metal detectors in all schools?

[Splits]

Did anyone tell DMC that Texas teachers are allowed to conceal carry?

[Ef-man]

Did anyone tell DMC that Texas teachers are allowed to conceal carry?

Can they conceal carry AR-10 in 5.6mm caliber?

[DMC]

Did anyone tell DMC that Texas teachers are allowed to conceal carry?

School marshals can carry. Teachers can become school marshals. By that logic then, teachers can drive semi trucks, if they get a CDL. They can also perform operations on humans, including their own students, if they go to medical school and become surgeons.

[DMC]

Who on the left is working for bulletproof windows and metal detectors in all schools?


https://i.imgur.com/pggRYIB.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NrTzuwP.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VJAZkqc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/JTSyNpJ.jpg

:lol Blake

cue repeating the question and calling it pending :lol

[Blake]

Oh a survey.

[DMC]

Oh a survey.

By Warren, asking about bullet proof glass in schools, ergo working on it.

Dumb ass :lol

[ChumpDumper]

DMC has installed zero windows.

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWGoVJpVUAAUKsX?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Splits]

School marshals can carry. Teachers can become school marshals. By that logic then, teachers can drive semi trucks, if they get a CDL. They can also perform operations on humans, including their own students, if they go to medical school and become surgeons.

There is absolutely no logic in your post. Any Texas teacher can conceal carry with 80 hours of training.

[Ef-man]

More DMC logic. :lmao

Marjorie Taylor Greene says children 'should be trained with firearms' to ward off a 'mad man with a gun' in schools.

-Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene on Friday said she believes children should receive firearm training.

-"I think children should be trained with firearms," she said during a House Rules Committee meeting.

-She said a "psychologist is not going to be able to just talk" a "mad man" out of a school shooting.

[DMC]

There is absolutely no logic in your post. Any Texas teacher can conceal carry with 80 hours of training.

It's not solely up to the teacher. They have to be appointed by the board of trustees and the "any teacher can carry" is wrong. There are like 356 school marshals in the state of Texas. School districts will not allow "any teacher" to carry concealed. They will only appoint a couple if any at all. So though the district can participate, "any teacher" is simply wrong.

[DMC]

More DMC logic. :lmao

Marjorie Taylor Greene says children 'should be trained with firearms' to ward off a 'mad man with a gun' in schools.

-Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene on Friday said she believes children should receive firearm training.

-"I think children should be trained with firearms," she said during a House Rules Committee meeting.

-She said a "psychologist is not going to be able to just talk" a "mad man" out of a school shooting.

My kids did receive firearm training and know how to handle a firearm, and they know the repercussions of doing so. They hunt and never even discuss the firearms otherwise. It's a tool.

MTG is a tool as well, but she's probably right about talking down someone intent on killing children. You have to be pretty fucked up to even contemplate that, but these folks are planning and carrying it out. All the conscience training is lost at that point.

[ChumpDumper]

DMC's plan will not work and he will never install a bulletproof window.

[DMC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWGoVJpVUAAUKsX?format=jpg&name=900x900

More misleading falsehoods.

[Blake]

By Warren, asking about bullet proof glass in schools, ergo working on it.

Dumb ass :lol

Asking a few educators and parents about their feels on the items isn't the same as heading to the store to buy the items.

But you need this internet victory badly, don't you.

[Ef-man]

My kids did receive firearm training and know how to handle a firearm, and they know the repercussions of doing so. They hunt and never even discuss the firearms otherwise. It's a tool.

MTG is a tool as well, but she's probably right about talking down someone intent on killing children. You have to be pretty fucked up to even contemplate that, but these folks are planning and carrying it out. All the conscience training is lost at that point.

So by your logic, you do not need a good guy with a gun as you have a good second grader with a gun, got it, as without a firearm, that firearms training is useless to stop a ‘mad man with a gun.’

[ChumpDumper]

:lol DMC doing his usual backflips to side with the stupidest people.

[DMC]

So by your logic, you do not need a good guy with a gun as you have a good second grader with a gun, got it, as without a firearm, that firearms training is useless to stop a ‘mad man with a gun.’
Moving the goalposts again, because you once again have nothing. You're not a conversationalist, just a cheerleader and crumb snatcher.

It was never mentioned to arm children. We teach them how to escape a fire, but we don't say "we don't need firemen, we have kids taught how to put out a fire and escape".

[DMC]

Except for the ones that weren't.

Why didn't you kill him, DMC?


Has DMC installed any bulletproof windows yet?

Or is he still just talking about the men he's obsessed with here?


DMC has installed zero windows.


DMC's plan will not work and he will never install a bulletproof window.


:lol DMC doing his usual backflips to side with the stupidest people.

One page in this thread :lol
Back on ignore he goes. :lol

I remove all ignores and see this fucker is saying my name every post. I must have really damaged his ego for him to be so salty for this many years with no responses to his constant barrage of name drops :lol

[Blake]

One page in this thread :lol
Back on ignore he goes. :lol

I remove all ignores and see this fucker is saying my name every post. I must have really damaged his ego for him to be so salty for this many years with no responses to his constant barrage of name drops :lol

Lol DMC scared of chumpdumper

[Ef-man]

Moving the goalposts again, because you once again have nothing. You're not a conversationalist, just a cheerleader and crumb snatcher.

It was never mentioned to arm children. We teach them how to escape a fire, but we don't say "we don't need firemen, we have kids taught how to put out a fire and escape".

If you do not want to arm children in schools, why train children on firearms? Your logic in context of school shootings reeks of desperation.

Take your L or keep lashing you fat-handed Chuncko. :lmao

[Ef-man]

:lol DMC doing his usual backflips to side with the stupidest people.

Chuncko put you on ignore, guess you terrified him, again! :lmao

[Spurminator]

One page in this thread :lol
Back on ignore he goes. :lol

I remove all ignores and see this fucker is saying my name every post. I must have really damaged his ego for him to be so salty for this many years with no responses to his constant barrage of name drops :lol

:lol

"I want to clown CD but people will know I've been viewing his posts, better make some shit up about 'removing all ignores' and protect my ST Political Forum reputation."

[ChumpDumper]

One page in this thread :lol
Back on ignore he goes. :lol

I remove all ignores and see this fucker is saying my name every post. I must have really damaged his ego for him to be so salty for this many years with no responses to his constant barrage of name drops :lol

:lol DMC so scared

Keep using my name.

[Splits]

It's not solely up to the teacher. They have to be appointed by the board of trustees and the "any teacher can carry" is wrong. There are like 356 school marshals in the state of Texas. School districts will not allow "any teacher" to carry concealed. They will only appoint a couple if any at all. So though the district can participate, "any teacher" is simply wrong.

I see, so the "bottleneck" here is those pesky administrators not allowing the throngs of teachers who are raising their hands begging to carry. Or maybe teachers realize this is a stupid and dangerous fucking idea and are not signing up for it.

[koriwhat]

I see, so the "bottleneck" here is those pesky administrators not allowing the throngs of teachers who are raising their hands begging to carry. Or maybe teachers realize this is a stupid and dangerous fucking idea and are not signing up for it.

Lol How is it anymore dangerous than the multitude of legal gun owners walking amongst us daily? Just like I heard from leftys about TX going Constitutional Carry, "It's going to be the wild west again! Think about how many more shootings we will have!"

The left is delusional and yall shouldn't be able to dictate a damn thing in this nation nor abroad. Yall are a fucking plague! The real virus is leftism.

[Blake]

Lol How is it anymore dangerous than the multitude of legal gun owners walking amongst us daily? Just like I heard from leftys about TX going Constitutional Carry, "It's going to be the wild west again! Think about how many more shootings we will have!"

The left is delusional and yall shouldn't be able to dictate a damn thing in this nation nor abroad. Yall are a fucking plague! The real virus is leftism.

You won't/can't read this:

http://giffords.org/lawcenter/report/every-incident-of-mishandled-guns-in-schools/

This may be the best worst:

SEASIDE, Calif. —
A teacher who also serves as a reserve police officer accidentally fired a gun inside a Seaside High School classroom Tuesday, police said, and three students were injured.

Dennis Alexander was teaching a course about gun safety for his Administration of Justice class when his gun went off at 11 a.m.

[DMC]

I see, so the "bottleneck" here is those pesky administrators not allowing the throngs of teachers who are raising their hands begging to carry. Or maybe teachers realize this is a stupid and dangerous fucking idea and are not signing up for it.

Bottom line is you were wrong, again. The amount of hubris you exhibit thinking you know everything without a stitch of research is hilarious. You're just a slightly less derpy Wild Cobra.

Teachers put themselves between shooters and kids, unlike the cops did. Teachers know they would die for their class. I don't think they are afraid of a gun.

[DMC]

You won't/can't read this:

http://giffords.org/lawcenter/report/every-incident-of-mishandled-guns-in-schools/

This may be the best worst:

SEASIDE, Calif. —
A teacher who also serves as a reserve police officer accidentally fired a gun inside a Seaside High School classroom Tuesday, police said, and three students were injured.

Dennis Alexander was teaching a course about gun safety for his Administration of Justice class when his gun went off at 11 a.m.

This totally destroys right to carry. Someone had an AD. Shut it down.

[Ef-man]

You won't/can't read this:

http://giffords.org/lawcenter/report/every-incident-of-mishandled-guns-in-schools/

This may be the best worst:

SEASIDE, Calif. —
A teacher who also serves as a reserve police officer accidentally fired a gun inside a Seaside High School classroom Tuesday, police said, and three students were injured.

Dennis Alexander was teaching a course about gun safety for his Administration of Justice class when his gun went off at 11 a.m.

Oldie but goodie.



https://youtu.be/vfONckOPyaI

[Splits]

Bottom line is you were wrong, again. The amount of hubris you exhibit thinking you know everything without a stitch of research is hilarious. You're just a slightly less derpy Wild Cobra.

Teachers put themselves between shooters and kids, unlike the cops did. Teachers know they would die for their class. I don't think they are afraid of a gun.

Bottom line is you are standing behind the wording of the law which says these teachers have to be appointed by school boards, as if it is some highly selective process like winning the lottery. Are you implying they are denying teachers who want to carry? Show me one case of that being true. Otherwise, once again I was right. Any teacher in Texas can conceal carry.

[Blake]

This totally destroys right to carry. Someone had an AD. Shut it down.

Wasn't the point of the post.

[Trainwreck2100]

Bottom line is you were wrong, again. The amount of hubris you exhibit thinking you know everything without a stitch of research is hilarious. You're just a slightly less derpy Wild Cobra.

Teachers put themselves between shooters and kids, unlike the cops did. Teachers know they would die for their class. I don't think they are afraid of a gun.

one of them got shot and played dead for an hour, or course they're afraid of the gun, they just didn't have the luxury of being outside

[Blake]

Bottom line is you were wrong, again. The amount of hubris you exhibit thinking you know everything without a stitch of research is hilarious. You're just a slightly less derpy Wild Cobra.

Teachers put themselves between shooters and kids, unlike the cops did. Teachers know they would die for their class. I don't think they are afraid of a gun.

DMC scolding someone for thinking they know everything without a stitch of research is hilarious on it's own.

It's even funnier because he follows up his scolding with knowing how all teachers feel about guns.

[Blake]

All in the same post

[DMC]

DMC scolding someone for thinking they know everything without a stitch of research is hilarious on it's own.

It's even funnier because he follows up his scolding with knowing how all teachers feel about guns.

There are dead teachers who stood between shooters and the children. They knew the shooter had a gun. They did it anyhow. Unlike you, they weren't cowards.

[DMC]

one of them got shot and played dead for an hour, or course they're afraid of the gun, they just didn't have the luxury of being outside

Afraid of a gun, meaning a gun, not a shooter. There's a difference between a gun and a shooter with a gun. The discussion is about teachers carrying guns.

[DMC]

Wasn't the point of the post.

So what was the point? You miss almost every point of a post on the regular but somehow your post of an anecdote didn't have the point that teachers carrying is a bad idea?

[DMC]

Bottom line is you are standing behind the wording of the law which says these teachers have to be appointed by school boards, as if it is some highly selective process like winning the lottery. Are you implying they are denying teachers who want to carry? Show me one case of that being true. Otherwise, once again I was right. Any teacher in Texas can conceal carry.

You said any teacher can. It's not a "shall issue" situation. I'm sure you have no idea what that even means. It's up to the district, not to the teacher. A teacher cannot simply acquire a CHL and carry the firearm. They have to be approved by the district. There's no requirement to do so.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol DMC's meltdown

:lmao Calling someone else a coward while actively hiding from me.

[Ef-man]

:lol Chuncko not knowing that a weapon is for killing and a gun is for fun!

Plus, a firearm does not actually kill you, it is the bullet that does the dirty work.

Some fat-handed idiot has said that an AR-10 in 5.6 mm is the biggest caliber. :lmao

[Blake]

So what was the point? You miss almost every point of a post on the regular but somehow your post of an anecdote didn't have the point that teachers carrying is a bad idea?

Tats asked a question, I pointed out the possible answer. You replied with a kick thru a goalpost in a different stadium. Again.

[Blake]

There are dead teachers who stood between shooters and the children. They knew the shooter had a gun. They did it anyhow. Unlike you, they weren't cowards.

Being afraid of someone with a gun and being afraid of using a gun are two different things, but keep going with this.

[DMC]

Being afraid of someone with a gun and being afraid of using a gun are two different things, but keep going with this.

Except I didn't say either. I said they aren't afraid of a gun.

[DMC]

Tats asked a question, I pointed out the possible answer. You replied with a kick thru a goalpost in a different stadium. Again.

Still no point mentioned.

[ChumpDumper]

One can be afraid of a gun and put oneself between a gunman and a child.

DMC is just stupid.

[Splits]

Texas teachers union survey finds that school employees don’t want to be armed (https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/08/texas-teachers-armed-survey/)

The survey, conducted by Texas American Federation of Teachers, comes two weeks after the Uvalde school shooting as Republicans call for more school employees to be armed.
BY BRIAN LOPEZ (https://www.texastribune.org/about/staff/brian-lopez/)JUNE 8, 2022


A survey of nearly 4,000 K-12 teachers in Texas found that most do not want to be armed while in class or be expected to intercept a gunman at school, according to the state’s teachers union, which released its survey results Wednesday.


The Texas American Federation of Teachers sent an online questionnaire to its 65,000 members, which include public school teachers, support personnel and higher education employees, a week after an 18-year-old gunman killed 21 people — including 19 children — at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde. Soon after the shooting, Texas Republicans said the solution could be arming teachers.


A total of 5,100 members responded to the union’s survey, including 3,673 secondary school teachers. Of those K-12 teachers, 76% of them answered “no” when asked, “Do you want to be armed?” About 90% of all school employees who responded said they are worried about a shooting happening at their school.