Another school shooting?

[ducks]

I asked you. You don't have an answer just a deflection.

Utah allows armed teachers
It works

[ChumpDumper]

More laws would not work

Lower prices so only one parent would have to work not 2 would help

Babysitters are not good teachers the best teachers are parentsDo you teach your kids English?

[ducks]

How can he have a field trip if he's home schooled?

Is that part of some curriculum you got off the web?

His school

[DMC]

Left ITT: "hope it was a white neocon..." "hmm, nope" "shame on you conservatives for using the death of children for political points!!!!"

[ChumpDumper]

His schoolWhere he isn't protected because you won't volunteer.

[Splits]

How can he have a field trip if he's home schooled?

Is that part of some curriculum you got off the web?

Field trips are cancelled unless you bring a SWAT team with you, to protect against our 2nd amendment

[ducks]

Do you teach your kids English?

No I teach him how to kill elk !

[ChumpDumper]

Left ITT: "hope it was a white neocon..." "hmm, nope" "shame on you conservatives for using the death of children for political points!!!!"DMC ITT: "elementary schools need to be armed camps but I only have guns to kill the federal government"

[DMC]

Field trips are cancelled unless you bring a SWAT team with you, to protect against our 2nd amendment

Unless you're a fetus at which point you need your own incubator and life support system to protect you against our 14th amendment.

[FkLA]

:(

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[DMX7]

Utah allows armed teachers
It works

If armed law enforcement couldn't stop the killer from killing as many as he did then I'm doubtful teachers would. Very doubtful.

[DMC]

If armed law enforcement couldn't stop the killer from killing as many as he did then I'm doubtful teachers would. Very doubtful.

Then shitcan the idea since you doubt it. Being killed while helpless to do anything is better.

[ducks]

How can he have a field trip if he's home schooled?

Is that part of some curriculum you got off the web?

Teacher wanted a field trip when read on news Brandon told boarder patrol to let terriost out in Yuma Arizona

[ChumpDumper]

Unless you're a fetus at which point you need your own incubator and life support system to protect you against our 14th amendment.Trumptards want to talk about anything but this shooting.

[ducks]

If armed law enforcement couldn't stop the killer from killing as many as he did then I'm doubtful teachers would. Very doubtful.

You would rather bury head in sand and do nothing ?

[Trill Clinton]

:(

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damn

[ducks]

Trumptards want to talk about anything but this shooting.

Do you really think if USA took all guns away from law abiding citizens school shootings would stop
They took drugs away but people overdose all the time and die

[Splits]

If armed law enforcement couldn't stop the killer from killing as many as he did then I'm doubtful teachers would. Very doubtful.

Just make all teachers also be police officers.

[ducks]

:(

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I would like a pic of body to see
Otherwise they just want a excuse to get peoples dna

[DMC]

Just make all teachers also be police officers.

So you can defund them too?

[ducks]

Just make all teachers also be police officers.

Better then a lot of teachers in USA

[ducks]

Where he isn't protected because you won't volunteer.

People who teach them protect him believe me !!!!

[TimDunkem]

I would like a pic of body to see
Otherwise they just want a excuse to get peoples dna
ducks just wants to see dead children. Between this and peeing on little girls, ducks might be one of the sickest fucks on this forum.

[FrostKing]

Republican response: we need to fortress up our schools.

Sad. This nation has no long term plan or commitment. But that's life in the road blazing West.

[ducks]

I root against GS Warriors because of Kerr.
He bashes his own country and says nothing about China when it comes to human rights.

[ElNono]

Bad hombre

Yep. There's unfortunately nothing that can be done about this. <shrug>

[ducks]

Pretty sure that criminals and crazies will never obey any gun law. Why not focus on enforcing the laws on the books and also ask the question about how much of these deranged killers are the products of extreme violence in movies, "music", and video "games" and the complete assault on the sanctity of human life by the secular left? I'll bet the NRA had much less to do with this tragedy.

[ElNono]

Pretty sure that criminals and crazies will never obey any gun law.

Exactly. We need respectful, educated criminals and crazies like in other countries where this rarely happens.

[Splits]

district has its own police force but we need to beef up security at our elementary schools cuz muh 2nd amendment

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[ChumpDumper]

Do you really think if USA took all guns away from law abiding citizens school shootings would stop
They took drugs away but people overdose all the time and dieThey obviously didn't take drugs away.

[ChumpDumper]

Pretty sure that criminals and crazies will never obey any gun law. Why not focus on enforcing the laws on the books and also ask the question about how much of these deranged killers are the products of extreme violence in movies, "music", and video "games" and the complete assault on the sanctity of human life by the secular left? I'll bet the NRA had much less to do with this tragedy.He'd probably lose that bet.

[Nathan89]

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[Splits]

I would like a pic of body to see


you also want to pee on little girls.

[ducks]

They obviously didn't take drugs away.

No biden had open boarders !

And with open boarders people bring in guns to !!!!!

[ducks]

He'd probably lose that bet.

You bet ?

[ducks]

you also want to pee on little girls.

You want to fuck them

[ElNono]

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Who is Mark Hemingway anyways?

[ducks]

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Kerr likes to smoke drugs
He can not handle pain without it
He sissy

[Nathan89]

Every shooting brings out the authoritarians.

[ChumpDumper]

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Yet he and you are amplifying him.

Why?

[Splits]

You want to fuck them

god you’re a sick fuck

[ChumpDumper]

Every shooting brings out the authoritarians.

Yes, we were wondering what took you so long.

[ChumpDumper]

No biden had open boarders !Nope.

[Thread]

When you murder babies in the womb for convenience sake for 50 years you've nobody to blame but yourselves when the value of a human life is zilch.

We're reaping what we sowed.

[ducks]

god you’re a sick fuck

You want to do that not me

[DarrinS]

Personal for me as I have friends in Uvalde. Never heard of this shooter. Mental issue? Probably

[ducks]

Nope.

Open borders policies allow people to move freely between countries or political jurisdictions with no restrictions. A country’s borders may be opened because its government either has no border control laws by choice


Brandon yep !

[ElNono]

Personal for me as I have friends in Uvalde. Never heard of this shooter. Mental issue? Probably

Looks like he wasn't african american and was a US citizen, so very likely.

[Thread]

Personal for me as I have friends in Uvalde. Never heard of this shooter. Mental issue? Probably

...Messican? Absolutely.

[ducks]

Personal for me as I have friends in Uvalde. Never heard of this shooter. Mental issue? Probably

Sorry I know lossing a young son is tough

[ChumpDumper]

Open borders policies allow people to move freely between countries or political jurisdictions with no restrictions. A country’s borders may be opened because its government either has no border control laws by choice


Brandon yep !Nope.

[Thread]

Sorry I know lossing a young son is tough

ducks

[ChumpDumper]

Personal for me as I have friends in Uvalde. Never heard of this shooter. Mental issue? ProbablyWhat if it isn't?

[ducks]

Nope.

Why do you lie
Most in USA think USA has open boarders

[ElNono]

Open borders policies allow people to move freely between countries or political jurisdictions with no restrictions. A country’s borders may be opened because its government either has no border control laws by choice

Brandon yep !

I can only imagine how fake your indignation would be right now if this dude wasn't a US citizen.

[ChumpDumper]

Why do you lie
Most in USA think USA has open boardersThey're wrong.

[ducks]

What if it isn't?

Then he is a screwball
Like the one who used airplanes to run into building and killed thousands of USA citizens

[ElNono]

Why do you lie
Most in USA think USA has open boarders

False

[DarrinS]

What if it isn't?

And? He just hated his grandmother and children?

[ChumpDumper]

Then he is a screwball
Like the one who used airplanes to run into building and killed thousands of USA citizensThey weren't mentally ill?

[ChumpDumper]

And? He just hated his grandmother and children?Nothing to be done about the issue either way, eh?

[ducks]

I can only imagine how fake your indignation would be right now if this dude wasn't a US citizen.

Dude I do not even know if the shooter is white black Mexican assian French Chinese
It does not matter

[ducks]

They weren't mentally ill?

Pretty smart to pull it off huh

Sad but they did pull it off

[ChumpDumper]

Pretty smart to pull it off huhsmart people can be mentally ill

[ducks]

smart people can be mentally ill

Are you mentally ill ?

[ChumpDumper]

Are you mentally ill ?Nope.

Trumptards want to talk about anything but this shooting.

[Winehole23]

Shot his way in according to one DPS trooper. Good guy with a gun failed to prevent.

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[ducks]

Salvador Ramos, the 18-year-old suspected of killing at least 19 people at a Texas elementary school on Tuesday, posted photos of guns to his now-deleted Instagram account before the shooting

https://www.newsweek.com/salvador-ramos-posted-gun-photos-before-shooting-instagram-deletes-account-1709821


Intersting that he posted this stuff and instagram did nothing

[DMX7]

You would rather bury head in sand and do nothing ?

No, I rather have gun control.

[ducks]

Another Instagram user, who does not live in Texas and did not know the suspected shooter personally, also reportedly shared what appeared to be a message thread between herself and Ramos days before the shooting. The messages may have purportedly hinted at the upcoming shooting, with Ramos telling the user, who he had tagged in a photo of guns, that he had "a lil secret" and plans to "air out."

[ducks]

No, I rather have gun control.

Gun control does not work
Ask the Windy City

[DMX7]

Salvador Ramos, the 18-year-old suspected of killing at least 19 people at a Texas elementary school on Tuesday, posted photos of guns to his now-deleted Instagram account before the shooting

https://www.newsweek.com/salvador-ramos-posted-gun-photos-before-shooting-instagram-deletes-account-1709821


Intersting that he posted this stuff and instagram did nothing

Interesting that he's allowed to buy those kind of semi-automatic long guns.

[DMX7]

Gun control does not work
Ask the Windy City

Without federal gun control there is no real control anywhere in US (except Hawaii maybe) because you can always cross state/city lines to get them.

[ducks]

Shot his way in according to one DPS trooper. Good guy with a gun failed to prevent.

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They need to have more field trips to range

[ducks]

Interesting that he's allowed to buy those kind of semi-automatic long guns.

Proof he did please

[monosylab1k]

Shot his way in according to one DPS trooper. Good guy with a gun failed to prevent.

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lol Johnsonville Brats would beg to differ

[Spurminator]

Personal for me as I have friends in Uvalde. Never heard of this shooter. Mental issue? Probably

I would say definitely.

Why was it so easy for him to get guns and kill 19 children?

[DMX7]

Proof he did please

Ok, I'll go one step further. Interesting anyone ordinary citizen is allowed to buy them. We'll see...

[Leetonidas]

Without federal gun control there is no real control anywhere in US (except Hawaii maybe) because you can always cross state/city lines to get them.

Exactly. These morons like going to ChIcAgO but it doesn't matter when you can drive 2 hours to another state and buy them easily

[pgardn]

I noticed school shootings do not happen in Utah because teachers have guns

school shootings in 2022 in Utah 13 population 3.3 million people
school shootings in 2022 in NJ 12 population 8.8 million people

Sure ducks...
You notice but you dont really notice or what?

[pgardn]

So I guess the run on ammo at Academy and such has already taken place.

[Brazil]

This fucking country is nuts.. reading ducks non sense is sickening.. how many children have to die for somebody does something about it? I guess there are already repugs explaining we need to arm teachers.. smfh

[ChumpDumper]

Amazing on many levels.

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[ElNono]

Dude I do not even know if the shooter is white black Mexican assian French Chinese
It does not matter

Of course it does matter to you

[pgardn]

Of course it does matter to you

but what does matter is he noticed Utah does not have school shootings.

Because teacher have guns.

I dont think ducks is actually real.
I think he is like a bowl of cabbage soup or something.

[Winehole23]

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[DJR210]

Enough is enough. This is fucking terrible.

[pgardn]

Enough is enough. This is fucking terrible.

but how are Texans supposed to defend themselves from federal government intervention.
We got people on this board who think the US will attack Texas if it was not for the 2nd amendment.

[ducks]

Enough is enough. This is fucking terrible.

More abortions better now ?

[pgardn]

More abortions better now ?

There are no abortions because teachers have guns in Utah.

[monosylab1k]

More abortions better now ?

Women will get abortions illegally, therefore abortion laws are pointless, therefore we should give every woman a free abortion coupon, and the only thing that can stop a woman getting an abortion is a man getting an abortion.

[monosylab1k]

Gun ownership should be safe, legal, and rare tbh.

[DarrinS]

but how are Texans supposed to defend themselves from federal government intervention.
We got people on this board who think the US will attack Texas if it was not for the 2nd amendment.

Typical beep boop

[ducks]

Gun ownership should be safe, legal, and rare tbh.

Why rare?

[pgardn]

Typical beep boop

Take that up with the governor of Georgia dumbshit.

[monosylab1k]

Why rare?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-school-district-locked-down-173651467.html

[ChumpDumper]

Typical beep boopHow about this from your side?

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Would you call this typical beep boop?

[ducks]

There are no abortions because teachers have guns in Utah.

Abortion in Utah is legal. 47% of Utah adults said in a Pew Research Center poll that abortion should be legal in all or most cases. [1]

There were 2,948 legal abortions in 2014, and 3,176 in 2015.
You lied they are abortions in Utah

[Blake]

If passing laws stopped evil we wouldn't have any crime.

Blake you should use that pea brain before you say any more stupid shit.

You're an idiot

[Blake]

Nothing to be done about the issue either way, eh?

He could have just as easily shot them with his knife

[Winehole23]

gruesome


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[Winehole23]

very true.

21st century 2A jurisprudence went off the rails.

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[DMX7]

Proof he did please


UVALDE, Texas—The 18-year-old gunman who opened fire at a Texas elementary school, killing at least 19 kids and two adults, bought two assault rifles on his birthday

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kids-scared-texas-school-gunman-004454729.html

[ChumpDumper]

gruesome


1529294227435315200They don't even know how many are dead?

Why not?

[horseshue]

I wonder, why i have never heard of school shooting in France or Poland?

[Winehole23]

They don't even know how many are dead?

Why not?dunno.

kids in various hospitals in various places, some might have run away from the scene, some may have been torn to pieces. at Sandy Hook some kids were identifiable only by their backpacks.

[Winehole23]

they keep saying don't blame the gun

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[Thread]

Just thank Christ the shooter was Messikan & not white.

[Winehole23]

Info about some of the victims here:

https://abc7.com/uvalde-elementary-school-shooting-texas-eva-mireles-victims-identified/11890340/

[Thread]

You are just an old senile asshole. Emphasis on old senile asshole. No one likes you, that’s why you post stupid shit non stop.


But by God & Sonny Jesus I got straightened out today. That shooter was Messikan, bomber.
Nary white.

"Who's the wild man now!!!"

[FrostKing]

Few thoughts

A) Guns is sad American norm. Wild Wild West. There are a few examples how America is writing history. This is a sad one.

B) Republican response of more guns will lead to less gun violence is sad.

C) Left: strip our society of religion, family, social norms and wonder why people are confused, angry and violent.


The West celebrates and fuels individualism. Other nations have ways to cope with this. Substance abuse and suicides are soaring in America. Covid made worse.



Solution? This is one of the main topics I don't see eye to eye with American conservatives. My buddies recently having children and their response compared to Hook is serious. They are personally involved now. But do the Democrats want a major 'War on Drugs' type crack down on gun ownership? Stings, cops, prosecutors, judges and more blacks in prison.

[Winehole23]

The shooter was a trans.are on 4chan, or did you hear it from Paul Gosar?

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[Thread]

C) Left: strip our society of religion, family, social norms and wonder why people are confused, angry and violent.

Frosty.

[FrostKing]

Guns are like circumcision

Americans do it.

[Nathan89]

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[ChumpDumper]

1529245034872074240Your point?

[Nathan89]

"Everybody ought to have a gun, Fidel Castro maintained — until lately. At a 1960 rally in Havana, he explained that "This is how democracy works: it gives rifles to farmers, to students, to women, to Negroes, to the poor, and to every citizen who is ready to defend a just cause." Weapons ranging from Czech submachine guns to Belgian FN automatic rifles were handed out to 50,000 soldiers, 400,000 militiamen, 100,000 members of the factory-guarding popular defense force, and to many men, women and children in Cuba's 1,000,000-strong "neighborhood vigilance committees." Now Castro no longer wants all those guns in the hands of the people. For three weeks, Radio Havana has been warning: "All citizens must turn in their combat weapons." Civilians must take arms to police stations, soldiers to military headquarters."

[Nathan89]

Guns are like circumcision

Americans do it.

Guns are like free speech. The authoritarians hate both.

[DJR210]

but how are Texans supposed to defend themselves from federal government intervention.
We got people on this board who think the US will attack Texas if it was not for the 2nd amendment.

Same people that think the US is going to send millions of gun sniffing dogs into every household to seize guns already in possession and take them to a giant smelting oven or some shit

[Winehole23]

Uncorroborated as far as I can tell, but if true, it means LE, engaged, missed their target, then ran and hid.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2022/05/24/suspect-info-heres-what-we-know-about-the-18-year-old-shooter-who-officials-say-killed-his-grandmother-14-students-and-1-teacher/

[ChumpDumper]

"Everybody ought to have a gun, Fidel Castro maintained — until lately. At a 1960 rally in Havana, he explained that "This is how democracy works: it gives rifles to farmers, to students, to women, to Negroes, to the poor, and to every citizen who is ready to defend a just cause." Weapons ranging from Czech submachine guns to Belgian FN automatic rifles were handed out to 50,000 soldiers, 400,000 militiamen, 100,000 members of the factory-guarding popular defense force, and to many men, women and children in Cuba's 1,000,000-strong "neighborhood vigilance committees." Now Castro no longer wants all those guns in the hands of the people. For three weeks, Radio Havana has been warning: "All citizens must turn in their combat weapons." Civilians must take arms to police stations, soldiers to military headquarters."


Guns are like free speech. The authoritarians hate both.

Why can you not address anyone directly?

Hold a gun to give yourself confidence.

[DJR210]

More abortions better now ?

Why do all right wingers change the subject so much?

"18 Year old kills entire classroom of students and teachers"

"What about illegals bringing record numbers of fentanyl over the border?"

Be a fucking human at some point.

[ElNono]

Every shooting brings out the authoritarians.


Yes, we were wondering what took you so long.

[ElNono]

Same people that think the US is going to send millions of gun sniffing dogs into every household to seize guns already in possession and take them to a giant smelting oven or some shit

"first they came for muh gun, then for muh bible... then I had to wear a mask, and that just crossed the line"

[Nathan89]

Why do all right wingers change the subject so much?

"18 Year old kills entire classroom of students and teachers"

"What about illegals bringing record numbers of fentanyl over the border?"

Be a fucking human at some point.

Probably because leftists paint conservatives as evil for not implementing their solutions to a small number of murders while ignoring 10s of thousands of deaths.

[Winehole23]

But god forbid they learn about the existence of gays or Jim Crow. That can't be allowed to happen.


Firearms became the leading cause of death for American children and teenagers in 2020, according to researchers who analyzed Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data.

This sad fact represents a major shift in risks for young people in the U.S. For over 60 years, car accidents were the leading cause of death for kids and teens. Car accidents are now number two, while drug overdoses are number three.https://time.com/6170864/cause-of-death-children-guns/

[Winehole23]

Names and faces

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[FrostKing]

Frosty.
It's true.

I am an European liberal. I do not lie or play games.

[Proxy]

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[FrostKing]

Health care should be issue taken by Republicans. Doesn't make sense that conservatives don't support the mental health of its people.

[horseshue]

It's true.

I am an European liberal. I do not lie or play games.

There are no liberals in Poland.

[FrostKing]

There are no liberals in Poland.
I am liberal Polak. Born in Skarzysko raised in California.

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This fuckin' broad here, Prox, this Kayyem woman. She's a bagman for the boy's downtown and always has been.

She needs the same 12 incher that Blake needs.

[CosmicCowboy]

I am as disgusted by this almost inconceivable violence against these kids as anyone. I will never understand what drives these people to do such disgusting things.

At the same time, what laws do you guys propose that will prevent these in the future.

Please be specific.

[DMX7]

I am as disgusted by this almost inconceivable violence against these kids as anyone. I will never understand what drives these people to do such disgusting things.

At the same time, what laws do you guys propose that will prevent these in the future.

Please be specific.

You can’t prevent them all but there are many things you could do to at least lower the number of those killed. For example, an assault rifle ban, given that these kinds of mass murders are virtually always done with assault rifles (or semi automatic long guns, whatever you want to call them).

[FrostKing]

I am as disgusted by this almost inconceivable violence against these kids as anyone. I will never understand what drives these people to do such disgusting things.

At the same time, what laws do you guys propose that will prevent these in the future.

Please be specific.
Turn your gun in 1PM tomorrow

[monosylab1k]

I am as disgusted by this almost inconceivable violence against these kids as anyone. I will never understand what drives these people to do such disgusting things.

At the same time, what laws do you guys propose that will prevent these in the future.

Please be specific.

You’ll never prevent drunk drivers either, so why bother having a law against that, right?

[CosmicCowboy]

You can’t prevent them all but there are many things you could do to at least lower the number of those killed. For example, an assault rifle ban, given that these kinds of mass murders are virtually always done with assault rifles (or semi automatic long guns, whatever you want to call them).

Isn't that horse already out of the barn? there are millions on the street already. That doesn't count all the double stack pistols out there.

Do you make possession a misdemeanor? Felony? Capital punishment? How many new prisons do we need to build?

these shooters are already breaking laws that allow capital punishment. If this shooter yesterday was alive and being charged he would face at least 25 capital punishment charges in Texas.

These are serious questions.

[CosmicCowboy]

You’ll never prevent drunk drivers either, so why bother having a law against that, right?

Laws are designed to punish law breakers. If possible punishment was really a deterrent to crime we wouldn't have any crime. Murder is already illegal but it doesn't stop them.

[DMX7]

If possible punishment was really a deterrent to crime we wouldn't have any crime.

This is profoundly stupid bullshit. It makes me question the quality of our education system that someone here could even think it. Just because a law doesn’t deter 100% of crime, doesn’t mean it doesn’t deter a significant amount of crime effectively.

[CosmicCowboy]

This is profoundly stupid bullshit. It makes me question the quality of our education system that someone here could even think it. Just because a law doesn’t deter 100% of crime, doesn’t mean it doesn’t deter a significant amount of crime effectively.

Why don't you have an honest discussion instead of trying to insult me. Be specific? What new laws do you propose that will prevent school shootings?

[CosmicCowboy]

This is profoundly stupid bullshit. It makes me question the quality of our education system that someone here could even think it. Just because a law doesn’t deter 100% of crime, doesn’t mean it doesn’t deter a significant amount of crime effectively.

There is an undeniable percentage of the population that commits crimes despite laws being against it. I am not against laws. I am asking how you prevent that percentage from committing school shootings.

[steak n eggs]

I support the right to own a firearm however I do believe the minimum age to purchase one should be increased. I don’t see why an 18 year old should be able to purchase an AR 15 when handguns aren’t allowed until 21. I’d even go so far as to say 25 is a good starting point for gun ownership. I would imagine a lot of mentally ill people show their cards before 25.

[steak n eggs]

I support the right to own a firearm however I do believe the minimum age to purchase one should be increased. I don’t see why an 18 year old should be able to purchase an AR 15 when handguns aren’t allowed until 21. I’d even go so far as to say 25 is a good starting point for gun ownership. I would imagine a lot of mentally ill people show their cards before 25.

[monosylab1k]

Isn't that horse already out of the barn? there are millions on the street already. That doesn't count all the double stack pistols out there.

Do you make possession a misdemeanor? Felony? Capital punishment? How many new prisons do we need to build?

these shooters are already breaking laws that allow capital punishment. If this shooter yesterday was alive and being charged he would face at least 25 capital punishment charges in Texas.

These are serious questions.

No, you’re right, we should just do nothing, it’s worked great so far! Conservatives are killing it in this thread (no pun intended).

[TimDunkem]

Unless you can prevent 100% of all future shootings, then you might as well do nothing!

[monosylab1k]

And honestly, considering the alternative, “Moar Gunz” is the best of the terrible options. Armed officers at every school entrance in this country is more palatable than what happened yesterday. Of course that plan will backfire horribly, but it’s still better than nothing.

[CosmicCowboy]

And honestly, considering the alternative, “Moar Gunz” is the best of the terrible options. Armed officers at every school entrance in this country is more palatable than what happened yesterday. Of course that plan will backfire horribly, but it’s still better than nothing.

I'm OK with this. it is at least a rational propoal.

[CosmicCowboy]

Unless you can prevent 100% of all future shootings, then you might as well do nothing!

Again, just attacking and not offering a reasonable proposal.

[monosylab1k]

I'm OK with this. it is at least a rational propoal.

lol it’s a retarded proposal that will result in a whole other set of problems (can’t wait for that “i feared for my life” security officer killing a group of black high schoolers), but it’s better than nothing.

[CosmicCowboy]

No, you’re right, we should just do nothing, it’s worked great so far! Conservatives are killing it in this thread (no pun intended).

what's your solution? Quit being an ass and bring your proposal to stop school shootings.

[monosylab1k]

what's your solution? Quit being an ass and bring your proposal to stop school shootings.

What’s yours?

[FrostKing]

Americans social norm

This is what you are.

[CosmicCowboy]

What’s yours?

Nice duck and dodge :lol

Honestly, I don't think there is a solution. These are obviously mentally disturbed people. what is their motive? Dubious "fame"? Making it policy not to release their names might help in that case. Just call every one "mentally disturbed shooter".

Higher level (better qualified) of security at schools is another.

Beyond that I really don't see any reasonable solutions.

[TimDunkem]

Do nothing it is.

[CosmicCowboy]

Do nothing it is.

put up or shut up. Bring your proposal.

[Trill Clinton]

Turning our schools into prisons sounds like a cool idea.

[CosmicCowboy]

Turning our schools into prisons sounds like a cool idea.

bring a better one.

[Trill Clinton]

bring a better one.

off the top of my head..

mandatory thought and prayer sessions every morning from 4am-6am

arm students starting at kinder(must pass 2 week arms training class)

shoot on site anyone who steps foot on a school campus without identification

put gun vending machines in grocery stores

allow HEB buddy bucks to be used to purchase gun in case of emergency

[monosylab1k]

Nice duck and dodge :lol

Honestly, I don't think there is a solution. These are obviously mentally disturbed people. what is their motive? Dubious "fame"? Making it policy not to release their names might help in that case. Just call every one "mentally disturbed shooter".

Higher level (better qualified) of security at schools is another.

Beyond that I really don't see any reasonable solutions.
I gave my solution, and you already replied to it, you geriatric retard :lol

Good to know you’re in the “do nothing” camp. Keep that same energy when it’s one of your grandkids.

[CosmicCowboy]

I gave my solution, and you already replied to it, you geriatric retard :lol

Good to know you’re in the “do nothing” camp. Keep that same energy when it’s one of your grandkids.

tell me again? The only one I saw was better security at schools which I agreed with. If you had more they are buried in this thread.

Other than that, all you have brought to this discussion are juvenile insults.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Shooter was "Salvador Rolando Ramos", had cartel ties, carrying an illegal gun.

:lol OP backfired, Dumbocrats in general taking another "L".

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

Shooter was "Salvador Rolando Ramos", had cartel ties, carrying an illegal gun.

:lol OP backfired, Dumbocrats in general taking another "L".

:lmao :lmao :lmao

This is not true. He bought the guns legally and passed a federal background check.

[Millennial_Messiah]

This is not true. He bought the guns legally and passed a federal background check.

Despite having family in the cartels.

[CosmicCowboy]

Despite having family in the cartels.

source?

This is all I have seen:


Ramos lived with his mother, who struggled with addiction, up until a few months before the shooting, when he moved in with his grandmother, a neighbor told the Washington Post. He shot his grandmother before heading to the school to carry out his massacre.

[Millennial_Messiah]

source?

This is all I have seen:
Family killer... psychopath... mother on drugs... cartel.

why isn't the age to own a firearm 21 again?

[Nathan89]

1275669988993458176

Small brain Steve had the solution to this years ago.

[Splits]

put up or shut up. Bring your proposal.

For starters, a well-regulated militia would include:

Every gun owner must take federally mandated training, tailored to the gun they own, includes mental health check. Must repeat every 2 years

30 day waiting period on new gun purchases

Private gun sales must go through federal broker, also subject to 30 day waiting period

Ban clips larger than 10, confiscate anything larger

Limit ammo purchases everywhere except shooting ranges. Can rent larger clips at the shooting range. Cannot take ammo or large clips from shooting ranges home with you

Raise minimum age of gun ownership to 21

Must carry gun insurance. Insurance company financially liable for any crime committed with said gun

Gun owners are criminally liable if their gun is used in a crime, or accidental shooting by a child, and they are shown to have not properly protected it (locked in safe for example)

Ban military-style protective armor

[CosmicCowboy]

For starters, a well-regulated militia would include:

Every gun owner must take federally mandated training, tailored to the gun they own, includes mental health check. Must repeat every 2 years

30 day waiting period on new gun purchases

Private gun sales must go through federal broker, also subject to 30 day waiting period

Ban clips larger than 10, confiscate anything larger

Limit ammo purchases everywhere except shooting ranges. Can rent larger clips at the shooting range. Cannot take ammo or large clips from shooting ranges home with you

Raise minimum age of gun ownership to 21

Must carry gun insurance. Insurance company financially liable for any crime committed with said gun

Gun owners are criminally liable if their gun is used in a crime and they are shown to have not properly protected it (locked in safe for example)

Ban military-style protective armor

wow. OK. Although that might help in a perfect world it is realistically not achievable at this point and guns have many other purposes besides "shooting ranges".

[Splits]

wow. OK. Although that might help in a perfect world it is realistically not achievable at this point and guns have many other purposes besides "shooting ranges".

Who said shooting ranges was the only place you can have your gun? I didn't even say ban ARs. But unlimited ammo and 30 round clips have no purpose other than war or a shooting range.

So do nothing it is because we don't live in a perfect world.

[CosmicCowboy]

Who said shooting ranges was the only place you can have your gun? I didn't even say ban ARs. But unlimited ammo and 30 round clips have no purpose other than war or a shooting range.

So do nothing it is because we don't live in a perfect world.

I personally don't own AR's or AK's any more and only have large capacity clips for my 1022's. I'm just not sure how you could possibly enforce a ban on high capacity clips with the millions of them already out there.

[Splits]

CC demands what we could do. Given a list of completely reasonable things, declines to refute any point except by saying "not achievable".

Expected. Sad, but this is so typical of the Cult of Gun

[Splits]

I personally don't own AR's or AK's any more and only have large capacity clips for my 1022's. I'm just not sure how you could possibly enforce a ban on high capacity clips with the millions of them already out there.

Ok, fine. For safe of argument, put the large clips aside. What about all the other items?

[pgardn]

Who said shooting ranges was the only place you can have your gun? I didn't even say ban ARs. But unlimited ammo and 30 round clips have no purpose other than war or a shooting range.

So do nothing it is because we don't live in a perfect world.

Its kinda strange because so many guys like CC will actually hoard ammo. I imagine there has already been a big run on it in Texas.
CC, you got a lot of extra because you know it will get lean? Buy any right after?

And also we do have a profile of the most likely shooters in these incidents. MALE, YOUNG 15-27, Social Outcasts, Trouble in School, Trouble at Home.
So lets start there. How could we help/what could we do to the most violent group of people in the US, as IDed above?

[duncan2k5]

Nice duck and dodge :lol

Honestly, I don't think there is a solution. These are obviously mentally disturbed people. what is their motive? Dubious "fame"? Making it policy not to release their names might help in that case. Just call every one "mentally disturbed shooter".

Higher level (better qualified) of security at schools is another.

Beyond that I really don't see any reasonable solutions.

1. Ban high capacity magazines... Ban assault rifles... Increase legal age... Universal background checks... Every other country doesn't have mass killings like the US... it's the gun culture... Very strict laws won't immediately change the culture, but it will over time... If these laws were implemented since Columbine, these kids would have been alive today... Laws have an effect... Or else they wouldn't exist

[lefty]

They don't even know how many are dead?

Why not?
Congress doing PR damage control, trying to look not too bad

Like during 9/11, I'm sure they were more victims than what was officially disclosed

[monosylab1k]

tell me again? The only one I saw was better security at schools which I agreed with. If you had more they are buried in this thread.

Other than that, all you have brought to this discussion are juvenile insults.

I gave my solution, asked for yours, and then you claim I dodged you. It’s not my fault you’re a retarded old man.

Again, just keep this same “welp *shrug* not much we can do about it” energy if it happens to someone in your family. You conservatives love doing the Now I think this is important, but only because it affected me personally flip-flop, and I’m not having it.

[Leetonidas]

For starters, a well-regulated militia would include:

Every gun owner must take federally mandated training, tailored to the gun they own, includes mental health check. Must repeat every 2 years

30 day waiting period on new gun purchases

Private gun sales must go through federal broker, also subject to 30 day waiting period

Ban clips larger than 10, confiscate anything larger

Limit ammo purchases everywhere except shooting ranges. Can rent larger clips at the shooting range. Cannot take ammo or large clips from shooting ranges home with you

Raise minimum age of gun ownership to 21

Must carry gun insurance. Insurance company financially liable for any crime committed with said gun

Gun owners are criminally liable if their gun is used in a crime, or accidental shooting by a child, and they are shown to have not properly protected it (locked in safe for example)

Ban military-style protective armor

This is all extremely reasonable but right wing dumbasses value being able to do call of duty cosplays over the lives of children so they'll just scream MUH FREEDOMS

[Brazil]

Nice duck and dodge :lol

Honestly, I don't think there is a solution. These are obviously mentally disturbed people. what is their motive? Dubious "fame"? Making it policy not to release their names might help in that case. Just call every one "mentally disturbed shooter".

Higher level (better qualified) of security at schools is another.

Beyond that I really don't see any reasonable solutions.

:lol wtf so USA has a very specific issue, only country in the world to have it and your belief is there is no reasonable solutions

dear fucking god

:lmao

[TimDunkem]

Do nothing it is!!

[Leetonidas]

:lol wtf so USA has a very specific issue, only country in the world to have it and your belief is there is no reasonable solutions

dear fucking god

:lmao

Our country is full of dumb fuck right wing morons who have probably never left their hometown

[Leetonidas]

Few thoughts

A) Guns is sad American norm. Wild Wild West. There are a few examples how America is writing history. This is a sad one.

B) Republican response of more guns will lead to less gun violence is sad.

C) Left: strip our society of religion, family, social norms and wonder why people are confused, angry and violent.


The West celebrates and fuels individualism. Other nations have ways to cope with this. Substance abuse and suicides are soaring in America. Covid made worse.



Solution? This is one of the main topics I don't see eye to eye with American conservatives. My buddies recently having children and their response compared to Hook is serious. They are personally involved now. But do the Democrats want a major 'War on Drugs' type crack down on gun ownership? Stings, cops, prosecutors, judges and more blacks in prison.

You almost made a logical post until your third "thought." You people are retarded. Yep, religion and family are banned in america. Do you christian faggots ever stop playing the victim card?

[CosmicCowboy]

CC demands what we could do. Given a list of completely reasonable things, declines to refute any point except by saying "not achievable".

Expected. Sad, but this is so typical of the Cult of Gun

I will be happy to address your suggestions point by point. I am trying to discuss this rationally and not just taking an absolute pro gun position.

Every gun owner must take federally mandated training, tailored to the gun they own, includes mental health check. Must repeat every 2 years

OK. There is an estimated 400 million guns currently in the US. There are an estimated 82 million gun owners over 18 in the US. This doesn't count family members of these gun owners which puts the number at 130 million. Will there be a charge for this course? Will the federal government provide the classrooms and instructors for these 130 million people every two years? will they provide mental health professionals to evaluate these 130 million people every two years? If this is not provided for free, won't it be discriminatory against lower income people?

30 day waiting period on new gun purchases

Private gun sales must go through federal broker, also subject to 30 day waiting period
This sounds nice in theory. What do you about inherited guns? what is the penalty if an individual sells a gun to their friend? Misdemeanor? Felony? How many new prisons will we need?

Ban clips larger than 10, confiscate anything larger

Again, what is your enforcement? misdemeanor? Felony?

Limit ammo purchases everywhere except shooting ranges. Can rent larger clips at the shooting range. Cannot take ammo or large clips from shooting ranges home with you

I have seen guys shoot 8 boxes of shotgun shells(200 rounds) trying to get their limit hunting doves. I personally have shot hundreds of rounds in a weekend prairie dog hunting in West Texas. Where exactly do you draw this ammo possession limit? Again, what is the penalty

Raise minimum age of gun ownership to 21

Is this for purchasing a gun or using an existing gun? My kids all were taught how to use guns at an early age. Again, what is the penalty? Are you gonna put a 12 year old in jail for dove hunting?

Must carry gun insurance. Insurance company financially liable for any crime committed with said gun.

An absolute impossible demand and would be absolutely discriminatory to lower incomes and minorities

Gun owners are criminally liable if their gun is used in a crime and they are shown to have not properly protected it (locked in safe for example)

I have all my guns in a safe when not being used but many people can't afford a $1000+ safe. Also, many guns are stolen out of cars by criminals. How can you hold a crime victim legally liable for the use of the gun after it isn't in their possession anymore?

Ban military-style protective armor

I'm OK with that but how significant is it really?

[FrostKing]

You almost made a logical post until your third "thought." You people are retarded. Yep, religion and family are banned in america. Do you christian faggots ever stop playing the victim card?
Excuse me. Please rewrite. I'll reread.

Edit: never said they were banned?

[ChumpDumper]

It's quite clear tbh.

[Leetonidas]

Excuse me. Please rewrite. I'll reread.

Edit: never said they were banned?

"C) Left: strip our society of religion, family, social norms and wonder why people are confused, angry and violent."

So, when did religion get "stripped?" When was family "stripped" from society as you put it? And what kind of moron do you need to be to equate this to mass shootings. Yeah man, the guy pulled up on 18 kids because he was confused. Give me a break. You gonna blame violent video games too? FOH

[FrostKing]

I said quote

"Stripping our society" which is far

[Thread]

"C) Left: strip our society of religion, family, social norms and wonder why people are confused, angry and violent."

So, when did religion get "stripped?" When was family "stripped" from society as you put it? And what kind of moron do you need to be to equate this to mass shootings. Yeah man, the guy pulled up on 18 kids because he was confused. Give me a break. You gonna blame violent video games too? FOH


...yep, too.

[FrostKing]

"C) Left: strip our society of religion, family, social norms and wonder why people are confused, angry and violent."

So, when did religion get "stripped?" When was family "stripped" from society as you put it? And what kind of moron do you need to be to equate this to mass shootings. Yeah man, the guy pulled up on 18 kids because he was confused. Give me a break. You gonna blame violent video games too? FOH
Stripping is fair.

Not banned or even take away. Strip is legislature. To me.

[Thread]

I said quote

"Stripping our society" which is far

Stay strong, Frosty. Don't back down. You're rightPERIOD

[Leetonidas]

So when did religion get stripped? 200 years ago? :lmao when was there legislation passed that stripped family? WTF are you even blathering on about foreigner

[Spurminator]

Republicans are "Ban first - Figure out logistics later" on literally every other issue.

[Thread]

Republicans are "Ban first - Figure out logistics later" on literally every other issue.

At least we chose the best issue to stand our ground on.

[Leetonidas]

Thread, no one cares what you have to say. the entire forum myself included put you on ignore forever ago. go run along to your Ukraine thread and suck Putin off some more

[Thread]

Thread, no one cares what you have to say. the entire forum myself included put you on ignore forever ago. go run along to your Ukraine thread and suck Putin off some more

In for penny.
In for pound.

[Brazil]

:cry it's too complicated :cry better do nothing different :cry

[Brazil]

Thread, no one cares what you have to say. the entire forum myself included put you on ignore forever ago. go run along to your Ukraine thread and suck Putin off some more

:lmao

[pgardn]

At least we chose the best issue to stand our ground on.

You make every issue perfectly black or white as you cant handle gray areas.
I dont think anyone wants a total band on all guns. "We" hunt in this State.
Some of the most gun conscious citizens are people who own guns and actually want more laws because they see idiots in Texas with no license and open carry walking around making them all look like assholes.

So YOU, would feel better if the left would just total ban ALL guns. That would be standing up. Cool.

Also with all of the solutions above a designated govt office will have to know more about people who own guns. But Amazon and Google etc... already know too much! "You have no right to sneak into my business and know that I love good documentaries on ..." If it got bad enough with knowing everything about someone who owned a gun then the ACLU gets involved... Ive heard that as well, just like prohibiting certain types of parades.
Imo we have the general group that are into killing large groups of innocents in the US. Young socially isolated males... FBI knows this.
So to go further than just the general number of rounds, type of weapon, etc... how do we pay more attention to the group that by far and away commits these obscene acts...?

[FrostKing]

So when did religion get stripped? 200 years ago? :lmao when was there legislation passed that stripped family? WTF are you even blathering on about foreigner
Hahah. No one cares about your history.

[ChumpDumper]

Hahah. No one cares about your history.You didn't answer the question.

[Leetonidas]

Hahah. No one cares about your history.

So you don't know wtf you're talking about and folded because you dont actually have a point. Glad we're on the same page now :tu

[FrostKing]

You didn't answer the question.
True

Religion: gone
Family: <60%
Social norms: Debatable

[ChumpDumper]

True

Religion: gone
Family: <60%
Social norms: DebatableYou didn't answer the question.

[FrostKing]

So you don't know wtf you're talking about and folded because you dont actually have a point. Glad we're on the same page now :tu
Huh. Why you so angry.

[Thread]

Huh. Why you so angry.

Good question. Lee?

[FrostKing]

You didn't answer the question.
I demand THE QUESTION

[monosylab1k]

Hahah. No one cares about your history.
The only Polish history anybody cares about is

1. The birth of Rob Gronkowski
2. How yall got your cheeks clapped by Hitler & Stalin back to back

[ChumpDumper]

I demand THE QUESTION


So when did religion get stripped? 200 years ago? :lmao when was there legislation passed that stripped family?

[FrostKing]

The only Polish history anybody cares about is

1. The birth of Rob Gronkowski
2. How yall got your cheeks clapped by Hitler & Stalin back to back
I yell Polska you ask which direction

[FrostKing]

Not sure why we are arguing especially inthis thread. Bye

[ChumpDumper]

Not sure why we are arguing especially inthis thread. Bye

You made a claim and were asked to back it up.

If that's too much for you to handle I'm not sure why you're here.

[DMC]

You’ll never prevent drunk drivers either, so why bother having a law against that, right?
Pretty sure the shooter knew he was breaking several laws that did nothing to stop him. It's illegal to drink and drive, but not illegal to drive to a place to get drunk at which point it's up to the drunk person to decide whether to drive or not. There's no law saying he cannot get drunk or that the establishment cannot sell him alcohol except for some ordinance about whether or not some barely legal server can tell if he's obviously had too many.

I've said it before, either go for a ban or accept what you get. Placebo laws about magazine size and evil features only appeases the gun ignorant crowd. But let's keep advertising the score and ranking of these killers so others out there can go for more. Let's turn the killer into a subculture folk hero.

[Thread]

You make every issue perfectly black or white as you cant handle gray areas.
I dont think anyone wants a total band on all guns. "We" hunt in this State.
Some of the most gun conscious citizens are people who own guns and actually want more laws because they see idiots in Texas with no license and open carry walking around making them all look like assholes.

So YOU, would feel better if the left would just total ban ALL guns. That would be standing up. Cool.

Also with all of the solutions above a designated govt office will have to know more about people who own guns. But Amazon and Google etc... already know too much! "You have no right to sneak into my business and know that I love good documentaries on ..." If it got bad enough with knowing everything about someone who owned a gun then the ACLU gets involved... Ive heard that as well, just like prohibiting certain types of parades.
Imo we have the general group that are into killing large groups of innocents in the US. Young socially isolated males... FBI knows this.
So to go further than just the general number of rounds, type of weapon, etc... how do we pay more attention to the group that by far and away commits these obscene acts...?

True. Your side taught me that---that edification has proved invaluable. Give no quarter. Ask nary.

There is no victory in the "gray areas." None. It's fool's gold. We finally learned that when Trump took out Clinton. And we, well, at least me ain't ever goin' back. Uh, uh.

If you're given an inch, you'll take the entire mile, that's all your side knows, peeg. So, you ain't gettin' the inch here. No fuckin' way. Me? I don't do guns. It's my religion. I was born under a lucky star and so it enables me to eschew them. But guns are only the standard bearer here, the hill to defend like no other and I will smite thee with everything I got...like Creed vows in -IV- ..."No-matter-what."

[ChumpDumper]

DMC never says what HE wants.

So passive.

[spurraider21]

DMC's "you have to ban guns entirely or not do anything at all" false dichotomy back in action

[Thread]

DMC never says what HE wants.

So passive.

And you're totally in love with him, Dumper. No, not sexually, dummy, but in the admiration scope.

It's adorable to watch.

[Splits]

I will be happy to address your suggestions point by point. I am trying to discuss this rationally and not just taking an absolute pro gun position.

Every gun owner must take federally mandated training, tailored to the gun they own, includes mental health check. Must repeat every 2 years

OK. There is an estimated 400 million guns currently in the US. There are an estimated 82 million gun owners over 18 in the US. This doesn't count family members of these gun owners which puts the number at 130 million. Will there be a charge for this course? Will the federal government provide the classrooms and instructors for these 130 million people every two years? will they provide mental health professionals to evaluate these 130 million people every two years? If this is not provided for free, won't it be discriminatory against lower income people?

30 day waiting period on new gun purchases

Private gun sales must go through federal broker, also subject to 30 day waiting period
This sounds nice in theory. What do you about inherited guns? what is the penalty if an individual sells a gun to their friend? Misdemeanor? Felony? How many new prisons will we need?

Ban clips larger than 10, confiscate anything larger

Again, what is your enforcement? misdemeanor? Felony?

Limit ammo purchases everywhere except shooting ranges. Can rent larger clips at the shooting range. Cannot take ammo or large clips from shooting ranges home with you

I have seen guys shoot 8 boxes of shotgun shells(200 rounds) trying to get their limit hunting doves. I personally have shot hundreds of rounds in a weekend prairie dog hunting in West Texas. Where exactly do you draw this ammo possession limit? Again, what is the penalty

Raise minimum age of gun ownership to 21

Is this for purchasing a gun or using an existing gun? My kids all were taught how to use guns at an early age. Again, what is the penalty? Are you gonna put a 12 year old in jail for dove hunting?

Must carry gun insurance. Insurance company financially liable for any crime committed with said gun.

An absolute impossible demand and would be absolutely discriminatory to lower incomes and minorities

Gun owners are criminally liable if their gun is used in a crime and they are shown to have not properly protected it (locked in safe for example)

I have all my guns in a safe when not being used but many people can't afford a $1000+ safe. Also, many guns are stolen out of cars by criminals. How can you hold a crime victim legally liable for the use of the gun after it isn't in their possession anymore?

Ban military-style protective armor

I'm OK with that but how significant is it really?

OK. There is an estimated 400 million guns currently in the US. There are an estimated 82 million gun owners over 18 in the US. This doesn't count family members of these gun owners which puts the number at 130 million. Will there be a charge for this course? Will the federal government provide the classrooms and instructors for these 130 million people every two years? will they provide mental health professionals to evaluate these 130 million people every two years? If this is not provided for free, won't it be discriminatory against lower income people?

Of course you have to pay for it, and it covers the cost of the facilities, courses and mental health professionals. It will be expensive, it will discriminate against lower income people, which is true for many many many things. That's the primary feature, not a bug. The more guns you own, the more expensive it is. Make gun ownership a high bar.

This sounds nice in theory. What do you about inherited guns? what is the penalty if an individual sells a gun to their friend? Misdemeanor? Felony? How many new prisons will we need?

Penalties can be negotiated. Inherited guns might be an exception.

Again, what is your enforcement? misdemeanor? Felony?

Penalties can be negotiated. Escalate for repeat offenders, just like any other law i.e. DUI


I have seen guys shoot 8 boxes of shotgun shells(200 rounds) trying to get their limit hunting doves. I personally have shot hundreds of rounds in a weekend prairie dog hunting in West Texas. Where exactly do you draw this ammo possession limit? Again, what is the penalty

I'm not a hunter or an expert in this field, so leave the actual numbers to negotiation based on ammo type. What's the most 12 gauge rounds you can put in a shotgun? Probably not 30 and fire them off 1 per second. I assume you prairie dog hunt with a low caliber round like a 22. Can buy more of those that .223s that shred and explode organs and limbs coming out of an AR-15. I'm sure we can make a distinction between hunting rounds and non-hunting rounds. Penalties to be negotiated

Is this for purchasing a gun or using an existing gun? My kids all were taught how to use guns at an early age. Again, what is the penalty? Are you gonna put a 12 year old in jail for dove hunting?

Purchasing. If you're under 21 and supervised by a parent, guardian, or authorized gun owner no issue.

An absolute impossible demand and would be absolutely discriminatory to lower incomes and minorities

Feature, not a bug. Make gun ownership a high-bar.

I have all my guns in a safe when not being used but many people can't afford a $1000+ safe. Also, many guns are stolen out of cars by criminals. How can you hold a crime victim legally liable for the use of the gun after it isn't in their possession anymore?

Feature, not a bug. Make gun ownership a high-bar of entry.
I'm OK with that but how significant is it really?

While not preventative, it will reduce casualties


You're just proving my point this is all extremely doable. You disagree because you think anyone should basically be able to own as many guns and as much ammo as they can afford, as cheaply as possible.

[DMC]

You make every issue perfectly black or white as you cant handle gray areas.
I dont think anyone wants a total band on all guns. "We" hunt in this State.
Some of the most gun conscious citizens are people who own guns and actually want more laws because they see idiots in Texas with no license and open carry walking around making them all look like assholes.

So YOU, would feel better if the left would just total ban ALL guns. That would be standing up. Cool.

Also with all of the solutions above a designated govt office will have to know more about people who own guns. But Amazon and Google etc... already know too much! "You have no right to sneak into my business and know that I love good documentaries on ..." If it got bad enough with knowing everything about someone who owned a gun then the ACLU gets involved... Ive heard that as well, just like prohibiting certain types of parades.
Imo we have the general group that are into killing large groups of innocents in the US. Young socially isolated males... FBI knows this.
So to go further than just the general number of rounds, type of weapon, etc... how do we pay more attention to the group that by far and away commits these obscene acts...?

Obviously by getting online and talking to like minded people in our echo chamber safe spaces. I think as long as we feel good about ourselves and can cultivate more discussions amongst people not even remotely related to these events, we can grow as a nation. Oh, and better memes.

[spurraider21]

the only way we can address school shootings


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO3KbXMxHfw

[Thread]

DMC's "you have to ban guns entirely or not do anything at all" false dichotomy back in action

That's the tact we have to assume in our battle stance...otherwise you'll bull rush us and we'll be sittin' here with our dicks in our hands & nary a gun. You? Your side? You'll be sittin' over there other side of the room skinnin' & grinnin' to the beat the band. Uh, uh. No way, Jose'. We ain't goin' backPERIOD

[Winehole23]

Obviously by getting online and talking to like minded people in our echo chamber safe spaces. I think as long as we feel good about ourselves and can cultivate more discussions amongst people not even remotely related to these events, we can grow as a nation. Oh, and better memes.what do you think current events bulletin boards are for, profe?

only you would mistake discussion for political organizing.

[DMC]

Also the gun and rights ignorant crowd should educate themselves before entering discussions where these technical issues are discussed. It's a waste of time to discuss these things with people who think a .223 is dangerous but a 7 mag is a hunting round.

[DMC]

what do you think current events bulletin boards are for, profe?

only you would mistake discussion for political organizing.

Now you read my post?

This isn't the 1st mass shooting, not the first discussion on this forum. How much political organizing was generated from all of it? How much have you done?

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao DMC's meltdown

Why is he posting?

[CosmicCowboy]

OK. There is an estimated 400 million guns currently in the US. There are an estimated 82 million gun owners over 18 in the US. This doesn't count family members of these gun owners which puts the number at 130 million. Will there be a charge for this course? Will the federal government provide the classrooms and instructors for these 130 million people every two years? will they provide mental health professionals to evaluate these 130 million people every two years? If this is not provided for free, won't it be discriminatory against lower income people?

Of course you have to pay for it, and it covers the cost of the facilities, courses and mental health professionals. It will be expensive, it will discriminate against lower income people, which is true for many many many things. That's the primary feature, not a bug. The more guns you own, the more expensive it is. Make gun ownership a high bar.

This sounds nice in theory. What do you about inherited guns? what is the penalty if an individual sells a gun to their friend? Misdemeanor? Felony? How many new prisons will we need?

Penalties can be negotiated. Inherited guns might be an exception.

Again, what is your enforcement? misdemeanor? Felony?

Penalties can be negotiated. Escalate for repeat offenders, just like any other law i.e. DUI


I have seen guys shoot 8 boxes of shotgun shells(200 rounds) trying to get their limit hunting doves. I personally have shot hundreds of rounds in a weekend prairie dog hunting in West Texas. Where exactly do you draw this ammo possession limit? Again, what is the penalty

I'm not a hunter or an expert in this field, so leave the actual numbers to negotiation based on ammo type. What's the most 12 gauge rounds you can put in a shotgun? Probably not 30 and fire them off 1 per second. I assume you prairie dog hunt with a low caliber round like a 22. Can buy more of those that .223s that shred and explode organs and limbs coming out of an AR-15. I'm sure we can make a distinction between hunting rounds and non-hunting rounds. Penalties to be negotiated

Is this for purchasing a gun or using an existing gun? My kids all were taught how to use guns at an early age. Again, what is the penalty? Are you gonna put a 12 year old in jail for dove hunting?

Purchasing. If you're under 21 and supervised by a parent, guardian, or authorized gun owner no issue.

An absolute impossible demand and would be absolutely discriminatory to lower incomes and minorities

Feature, not a bug. Make gun ownership a high-bar.

I have all my guns in a safe when not being used but many people can't afford a $1000+ safe. Also, many guns are stolen out of cars by criminals. How can you hold a crime victim legally liable for the use of the gun after it isn't in their possession anymore?

Feature, not a bug. Make gun ownership a high-bar of entry.
I'm OK with that but how significant is it really?

While not preventative, it will reduce casualties


You're just proving my point this is all extremely doable. You disagree because you think anyone should basically be able to own as many guns and as much ammo as they can afford, as cheaply as possible.

Sorry, but your snobby elitist "make gun ownership an expensive high bar" will absolutely be discriminatory and will result in disproportionate enforcement and criminalization of the poor and minorities. The very people that live in shitty criminal infested neighborhoods that could use home protection would be denied access and or criminalized for trying to protect their families. It's a total non starter.

[Winehole23]

Now you read my post?

This isn't the 1st mass shooting, not the first discussion on this forum. How much political organizing was generated from all of it? How much have you done?I was unaware that was what this forum was for. Is it a touchstone for political organizing for you?

:lol

[Splits]

Sorry, but your snobby elitist "make gun ownership an expensive high bar" will absolutely be discriminatory and will result in disproportionate enforcement and criminalization of the poor and minorities. It's a total non starter.

Yeah, because the rest of our laws and justice system are non-discriminatory against poor and minorities. Or you think there should be an exception for gun laws?

[Winehole23]

Also the gun and rights ignorant crowd should educate themselves before entering discussions where these technical issues are discussed. It's a waste of time to discuss these things with people who think a .223 is dangerous but a 7 mag is a hunting round.People are pragmatic. AR-15s facilitate mass murders.

Judge ye by the fruits, you don't have to be a gun nerd to get it, and neither do politicians to act on it.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol DMC reverts to the tired "magazine vs. clip" jargon shrieking.

:lol so shrill

[Winehole23]

:lol DMC reverts to the tired "magazine vs. clip" jargon shrieking.

:lol so shrillBot like, tbh.

[Spurminator]

Yeah, because the rest of our laws and justice system are non-discriminatory against poor and minorities. Or you think there should be an exception for gun laws?

I'm all for regulating as many guns into cost-prohibitive collectable status as possible.

People tend to not use expensive collector's items to shoot up elementary schools.

[Splits]

:lol DMC reverts to the tired "magazine vs. clip" jargon shrieking.

:lol so shrill

:cry you don't know what a 7 mag is therefore you can't discuss whether mandatory gun insurance is a rational policy, leave all decisions to us the gun nuts :cry

it's so predictable and intellectually dishonest

[Spurminator]

Brought to you by the same crowd who votes to ban abortions despite not knowing how pregnancy works.

[pgardn]

Obviously by getting online and talking to like minded people in our echo chamber safe spaces. I think as long as we feel good about ourselves and can cultivate more discussions amongst people not even remotely related to these events, we can grow as a nation. Oh, and better memes.

In other words

“I have not a fkn clue and would rather it stayed that way.”

DMC is above it all because none of this should spark any “feelings”
DMC is a uniquely removed figure of reason who says absolutely nothing.
This same old unslick schtick is incredibly tiresome.

However, DMC stands ready to defend Chris Christian when he proves this was all done by actors…

[Splits]

If instead of walking into a shop and buying his military weapons, 7 30-round clips and walking out 20 minutes later he had to go through a process to have his weapon of war, there'd be 19 kids alive today.

Ramos: hi I'd like to buy all this shit

Gun shop: ok, fill out this form, we'll start looking for an insurance policy which is going to cost another $4k/gun/year paid up front, and in 30 days you can go pickup all your shit at the training center where you will undergo a psychiatric evaluation

Result: 19 children enjoying their summer break

[HemisfairArena]

All I know is this happened under bidens watch therefore he is to blame just like Trump was blamed for everything during his presidency,,,you democrats can spin it any way you want and continue to add you overused talking points time and time again but come midterms,,,,its time to use the democrat playbook,,,

democrats: if you vote republican,,,you must hate black people.

so republicans should say,,,if you vote democrat you must not care about kids getting shot and killed in school.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah, because the rest of our laws and justice system are non-discriminatory against poor and minorities. Or you think there should be an exception for gun laws?


If instead of walking into a shop and buying his military weapons, 7 30-round clips and walking out 20 minutes later he had to go through a process to have his weapon of war, there'd be 19 kids alive today.

Ramos: hi I'd like to buy all this shit

Gun shop: ok, fill out this form, we'll start looking for an insurance policy which is going to cost another $4k/gun/year paid up front, and in 30 days you can go pickup all your shit at the training center where you will undergo a psychiatric evaluation

Result: 19 children enjoying their summer break



You honestly think that a new law that just stinks of white privilege could get passed?

[ducks]

If instead of walking into a shop and buying his military weapons, 7 30-round clips and walking out 20 minutes later he had to go through a process to have his weapon of war, there'd be 19 kids alive today.

Ramos: hi I'd like to buy all this shit

Gun shop: ok, fill out this form, we'll start looking for an insurance policy which is going to cost another $4k/gun/year paid up front, and in 30 days you can go pickup all your shit at the training center where you will undergo a psychiatric evaluation

Result: 19 children enjoying their summer break



What about all the kids that have medical issues because mom uses drugs

[monosylab1k]

Also the gun and rights ignorant crowd should educate themselves before entering discussions where these technical issues are discussed. It's a waste of time to discuss these things with people who think a .223 is dangerous but a 7 mag is a hunting round.

Oh hey, we’ve reached the “You don’t know all the minutiae involving guns, therefore you can’t demand they be banned” part of the argument

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is5OE9qKB74

[Blake]

Pretty sure the shooter knew he was breaking several laws that did nothing to stop him. It's illegal to drink and drive, but not illegal to drive to a place to get drunk at which point it's up to the drunk person to decide whether to drive or not. There's no law saying he cannot get drunk or that the establishment cannot sell him alcohol except for some ordinance about whether or not some barely legal server can tell if he's obviously had too many.

I've said it before, either go for a ban or accept what you get. Placebo laws about magazine size and evil features only appeases the gun ignorant crowd. But let's keep advertising the score and ranking of these killers so others out there can go for more. Let's turn the killer into a subculture folk hero.

Lol "I've said it before". You were wrong all the other times you've said this before too on this.

The either you take it all away or do nothing logic is retarded.

[Spurminator]

You honestly think that a new law that just stinks of white privilege could get passed?

You honestly think that law would fail over discussions of "white privilege?" :lol

Who do you think votes against gun control legislation?

[Blake]

Oh hey, we’ve reached the “You don’t know all the minutiae involving guns, therefore you can’t demand they be banned” part of the argument

Next up, ST Rolodex check.

[Blake]

What about all the kids that have medical issues because mom uses drugs

The most literal perfect example of retard whataboutism

[clambake]

What about all the kids that have medical issues because mom uses drugs

You’re a fuckin trip dude

[monosylab1k]

lol this was always the most pathetic part of this argument. “You don’t know the difference between a CLIP and a MAGAZINE???????!?!?!!!!?????? How dare you even try to say guns are bad!”

Magic boom rod kill kids. Get rid of magic boom rod. The end.

[monosylab1k]

“Up next, let’s cite violent Hollywood movies to justify dead kids!”

[ducks]

So the guy grew up in a home where mom was a drug addicted which is against law
He finally got out of their and lived with his grandmother

He never really had a good home situation

Guns have always been around but more home family lives were better. One parent was always home with kids and teaching kids not babysitters

[ducks]

They are tons of drug deaths yearly with laws saying no drugs
But gun laws will make no gun deaths per liberal thinking

[SnakeBoy]

You honestly think that law would fail over discussions of "white privilege?" :lol

Who do you think votes against gun control legislation?

Boss Manchin