Another school shooting?

[Thread]

USA Should have gun laws like they have in Japan.

Stick 2 atom bombs up our ass and see what happens.

[Ef-man]

You worked hard on that one :lol

Did I hit a nerve? :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

How do you legally get crack in a way that disproportionately benefits white people?

The racial disparity with drugs isn't that white people are able to more easily afford the legal protocols to get drugs, it's that black people are disproportionately punished for drugs.

Well duh. My point exactly. Thanks for making it again for me.

[Spurminator]

Well duh. My point exactly. Thanks for making it again for me.

I don't think it was your point, or it was just a bad metaphor. Crack is illegal, period. There's no white privilege when it comes to passing the legal guardrails to smoke crack because there is no way to legally smoke crack.

[Spurminator]

:lol staged upstaging of a staged political event

Does Snakeboy think anyone believes this was spontaneous?

No shit it was planned. :lol Dumbass

[Splits]

Apparently splits is back to thoughts and prayers too since his ideas are nonstarters and he doesn't like mine.

Remind me, what are your ideas? mine were very explicit. Yes, you didn't like them because they have a direct affect on you. But what are yours?

[Splits]

dp

[Splits]

For starters, a well-regulated militia would include:



Every gun owner must take federally mandated training, tailored to the gun they own, includes mental health check. Must repeat every 2 years
30 day waiting period on new gun purchases
Private gun sales must go through federal broker, also subject to 30 day waiting period
Ban clips larger than 10, confiscate anything larger
Limit ammo purchases everywhere except shooting ranges. Can rent larger clips at the shooting range. Cannot take ammo or large clips from shooting ranges home with you
Raise minimum age of gun ownership to 21
Must carry gun insurance. Insurance company financially liable for any crime committed with said gun
Gun owners are criminally liable if their gun is used in a crime, or accidental shooting by a child, and they are shown to have not properly protected it (locked in safe for example)
Ban military-style protective armor



Enumerated

Lets debate which ones don't make sense

[Blake]

For starters, a well-regulated militia would include:



Every gun owner must take federally mandated training, tailored to the gun they own, includes mental health check. Must repeat every 2 years
30 day waiting period on new gun purchases
Private gun sales must go through federal broker, also subject to 30 day waiting period
Ban clips larger than 10, confiscate anything larger
Limit ammo purchases everywhere except shooting ranges. Can rent larger clips at the shooting range. Cannot take ammo or large clips from shooting ranges home with you
Raise minimum age of gun ownership to 21
Must carry gun insurance. Insurance company financially liable for any crime committed with said gun
Gun owners are criminally liable if their gun is used in a crime, or accidental shooting by a child, and they are shown to have not properly protected it (locked in safe for example)
Ban military-style protective armor



Enumerated

Lets debate which ones don't make sense

#7 I might change from "crime committed" to "damage done", similar to car insurance

[SnakeBoy]

For starters, a well-regulated militia would include:



Every gun owner must take federally mandated training, tailored to the gun they own, includes mental health check. Must repeat every 2 years
30 day waiting period on new gun purchases
Private gun sales must go through federal broker, also subject to 30 day waiting period
Ban clips larger than 10, confiscate anything larger
Limit ammo purchases everywhere except shooting ranges. Can rent larger clips at the shooting range. Cannot take ammo or large clips from shooting ranges home with you
Raise minimum age of gun ownership to 21
Must carry gun insurance. Insurance company financially liable for any crime committed with said gun
Gun owners are criminally liable if their gun is used in a crime, or accidental shooting by a child, and they are shown to have not properly protected it (locked in safe for example)
Ban military-style protective armor



Enumerated

Lets debate which ones don't make sense

Or just ban index fingers

[Splits]

Why are they non-starters? Maybe that’s where the problem is?

That's exactly where the problem is. CC and his ilk absolutely refuse to debate the facts.

He (they) refuse to dispute anything specific, only resort to "its impossible to implement" while 19 kids are dead. But he doesn't care.

[SnakeBoy]

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[koriwhat]

For starters, a well-regulated militia would include:



Every gun owner must take federally mandated training, tailored to the gun they own, includes mental health check. Must repeat every 2 years
30 day waiting period on new gun purchases
Private gun sales must go through federal broker, also subject to 30 day waiting period
Ban clips larger than 10, confiscate anything larger
Limit ammo purchases everywhere except shooting ranges. Can rent larger clips at the shooting range. Cannot take ammo or large clips from shooting ranges home with you
Raise minimum age of gun ownership to 21
Must carry gun insurance. Insurance company financially liable for any crime committed with said gun
Gun owners are criminally liable if their gun is used in a crime, or accidental shooting by a child, and they are shown to have not properly protected it (locked in safe for example)
Ban military-style protective armor



Enumerated

Lets debate which ones don't make sense

LMFAO whatever you say you big pussy

[Splits]

LMFAO whatever you say you big pussy


Says the guy who massages other mens calves for a living, tells them to relax while putting a poisoned needle into their body

[CosmicCowboy]

That's exactly where the problem is. CC and his ilk absolutely refuse to debate the facts.

He (they) refuse to dispute anything specific, only resort to "its impossible to implement" while 19 kids are dead. But he doesn't care.

Keep your dream alive. I absolutely refuted your ideas. Im a realist. I hate these school shootings as much as you guys do but fact is fact.

[koriwhat]

That's exactly where the problem is. CC and his ilk absolutely refuse to debate the facts.

He (they) refuse to dispute anything specific, only resort to "its impossible to implement" while 19 kids are dead. But he doesn't care.

Why don't we talk about the real issue here and it isn't guns nor more regulations on guns. Let's talk about the shit FBI who apparently have history with every fucking mass shooter there has ever been here in the USA yet for some reason they do nothing until it's too late.

Yall are so quick to demonize guns, because yall are scared of them if we're being honest here, but not the people who use them to kill others needlessly. Yall are literal authoritarians trying to take away our God given rights that laid out in our Constitution. Yall are trash!

Btw, white supremacy this time too right? Yeah didn't think so. Narrative change back to gun grab and less white cis single male supremacist. Yall are too easy to figure out.

[koriwhat]

Says the guy who massages other mens calves for a living, tells them to relax while putting a poisoned needle into their body


The whole, "you're doing gay shit by operating your own business", is your little pathetic attempt to be edgy. You're a pussy bro.

1) I'm not a massuse
2) All needles are in sterile blister packs for a one time use only

Anything else you'd like to say you big pussy?

[Splits]

Keep your dream alive. I absolutely refuted your ideas. Im a realist. I hate these school shootings as much as you guys do but fact is fact.

Keep your fantasy alive. You refuted absolutely nothing. You were given an olive branch, a series of completely simplistic compromise proposals. And rejected all but one of them because you're an ideologue and don't give 2 fucks about 19 dead kids if you have to pay $10 more for your fucking guns

[Proxy]

This fuckin' broad here, Prox, this Kayyem woman. She's a bagman for the boy's downtown and always has been.

She needs the same 12 incher that Blake needs.

I don't know anything about Kayyem, just saw multiple reports saying the same thing about the kids bodies being so dissolved from those 5.56 rounds that they weren't identifiable on site. Seen vids of grown ass men getting mangled, which was fucked up enough. Little babies though... sad, man.

Country ain't worth saving tbh. They won way back when they took out Fred Hampton and told everyone he was an extremist. Now everyone is applauding Beto for crying at a press conference and Pelosi for tearing up a piece of paper. One side can't see past their american exceptionalism goggles, and the other has their head up so far up their white knight ass, they can't see their own hypocritical posturing.

Rednecks and BLM marchers should be out on the street together right now, but that's never gonna happen, is it? Not about some bs kumbaya "coexist' shit either, just the obvious enemy that isn't being identified

[Splits]

The whole, "you're doing gay shit by operating your own business", is your little pathetic attempt to be edgy. You're a pussy bro.

1) I'm not a massuse
2) All needles are in sterile blister packs for a one time use only

Anything else you'd like to say you big pussy?

Can someone fill me in to who this fuckstick is?

[koriwhat]

Keep your fantasy alive. You refuted absolutely nothing. You were given an olive branch, a series of completely simplistic compromise proposals. And rejected all but one of them because you're an ideologue and don't give 2 fucks about 19 dead kids if you have to pay $10 more for your fucking guns

You and the other pussies here are so fucking dumb it's unbelievable while yall sit back and play like yall are intellectuals. Yall are dumbfucks tbh.

As well, no one here is praising that school shooting so you claiming IDGAF about what happened is your little way of throwing a tantrum. Keep being a little bitch you little bitch.

[monosylab1k]

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[CosmicCowboy]

Keep your fantasy alive. You refuted absolutely nothing. You were given an olive branch, a series of completely simplistic compromise proposals. And rejected all but one of them because you're an ideologue and don't give 2 fucks about 19 dead kids if you have to pay $10 more for your fucking guns

Put your money where your mouth is. $100 says none of your proposals passes in the next two years. Reality hits you square in the ass.

[koriwhat]

Can someone fill me in to who this fuckstick is?

Ah poor baby is crying out for the other pussies on ST to come white knight for ze/zim.

[spurraider21]

but chicago

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[koriwhat]

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Your lardass is still here on ST?

[monosylab1k]

Your lardass is still here on ST?

That was mean :(

[Spurminator]

Put your money where your mouth is. $100 says none of your proposals passes in the next two years. Reality hits you square in the ass.

:lol That's the stupidest bet I've ever seen.

Of course they won't pass. There was never any disagreement about their plausibility. BECAUSE REPUBLICANS.

[koriwhat]

That was mean :(

Again, wtf are you still here fat fuck?

[koriwhat]

:lol That's the stupidest bet I've ever seen.

Of course they won't pass. There was never any disagreement about their plausibility. BECAUSE REPUBLICANS.

Oh not the mean republicans who want to uphold our Constitution... Say it ain't so!

[Splits]

Put your money where your mouth is. $100 says none of your proposals passes in the next two years. Reality hits you square in the ass.

Well of course it doesn't pass, when idiot ideologues who only care about your own stockpiles and pay lipservice to :cry those poor disenfranchised minorities can't have their ARs for self-defense oho those poor blacks but muh Chicago :cry

I'll bet you $10,000 there is another school shooting in the next 12 months with an AR-15. How bout that, bitch?

[Spurminator]

Oh Joey's in my mentions again despite the fact I haven't read one of his replies in years.

[koriwhat]

I'll bet you $10,000 there is another school shooting in the next 12 months with an AR-15. How bout that, bitch?

Wow you're so hard! So you bet on school shootings huh; says a lot about who you truly are.

[koriwhat]

Oh Joey's in my mentions again despite the fact I haven't read one of his replies in years.


You're so full of shit bro. Btw who the fuck remembers people's actual names here? Yall weirdos are obsessed. Bro delete that photo of my legs off your laptop before your boyfriend finds it. :tu

[Joseph Kony]

Why don't we talk about the real issue here and it isn't guns nor more regulations on guns. Let's talk about the shit FBI who apparently have history with every fucking mass shooter there has ever been here in the USA yet for some reason they do nothing until it's too late.

Yall are so quick to demonize guns, because yall are scared of them if we're being honest here, but not the people who use them to kill others needlessly. Yall are literal authoritarians trying to take away our God given rights that laid out in our Constitution. Yall are trash!

Btw, white supremacy this time too right? Yeah didn't think so. Narrative change back to gun grab and less white cis single male supremacist. Yall are too easy to figure out.
hopefully you get gunned down in the next one :tu

[Blake]

The whole, "you're doing gay shit by operating your own business", is your little pathetic attempt to be edgy. You're a pussy bro.

1) I'm not a massuse
2) All needles are in sterile blister packs for a one time use only

Anything else you'd like to say you big pussy?

Insecure kori clarifying his job regarding the inking of dudes butts

[ElNono]

Already have one

You act like you have two. So does Trump.

[ElNono]

That's exactly where the problem is. CC and his ilk absolutely refuse to debate the facts.

He (they) refuse to dispute anything specific, only resort to "its impossible to implement" while 19 kids are dead. But he doesn't care.

:cry But what about gun collectors? can somebody think of gun collectors? :cry

[ElNono]

Put your money where your mouth is. $100 says none of your proposals passes in the next two years. Reality hits you square in the ass.

So we just need to give up and there's nothing that can be done, fuck the merits of anything. Got it. That got us here.

[SnakeBoy]

Two teens arrested in 'mass casualty' plot in 2018 targeting a Uvalde middle school
https://www.kens5.com/article/news/crime/two-teens-arrested-in-mass-casualty-plot-in-2018-targeting-a-uvalde-middle-school/273-548565605

[DMC]

For starters, a well-regulated militia would include:



Every gun owner must take federally mandated training, tailored to the gun they own, includes mental health check. Must repeat every 2 years or just serve and qualify, problem solved
30 day waiting period on new gun purchases this needs to have a reason. the current wait is for background checks
Private gun sales must go through federal broker, also subject to 30 day waiting period Then it's not a private gun sale if another FFL has to broker it. Also unenforceable
Ban clips larger than 10, confiscate anything larger Most clips only hold 4 rounds. I think you mean magazines which your suggestion is unenforceable since they aren't serialized or recorded and 10's of millions exist already, but if you meant clips then sure, I'm all for the Mauser and Steyr having limited capacity clips.
Limit ammo purchases everywhere except shooting ranges. Can rent larger clips at the shooting range. Cannot take ammo or large clips from shooting ranges home with you Ammo purchases have been limited for over a year, 2 boxes per person.
Raise minimum age of gun ownership to 21 So military folks can bomb cities, fire off AA and miniguns and even get shot but cannot own a firearm personally
Must carry gun insurance. Insurance company financially liable for any crime committed with said gun The insurance would have to be personal insurance, not gun insurance. Else for every gun you'd need another policy. This is silly. This would not prevent mass shootings
Gun owners are criminally liable if their gun is used in a crime, or accidental shooting by a child, and they are shown to have not properly protected it (locked in safe for example) You'd need to enact a federal registry to know who owned what gun
Ban military-style protective armor This makes no sense. You have no logical reason to ban people from owning and wearing bullet resistant clothing, and no way to police the sale or ownership of it



Enumerated

Lets debate which ones don't make sense
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[Splits]

:cry But what about gun collectors? can somebody think of gun collectors? :cry

shut up ElNono. There's $10k on the line here. Waiting on CC to respond. I'm sure he will. Have you heard from Mr. Ramos yet?

[CosmicCowboy]

Well of course it doesn't pass, when idiot ideologues who only care about your own stockpiles and pay lipservice to :cry those poor disenfranchised minorities can't have their ARs for self-defense oho those poor blacks but muh Chicago :cry

I'll bet you $10,000 there is another school shooting in the next 12 months with an AR-15. How bout that, bitch?

Well then be realistic with your proposals. I will never bet against evil people.

[ElNono]

"or just serve and qualify, problem solved" That's not "problem solved". Mental health can onset at different times in life. This was a 18 years old, some other people don't act up until some crisis in their 40s. That's why it needs to be periodic.

"this needs to have a reason. the current wait is for background checks" why? what makes a waiting period illegal or unenforceable?

"So military folks can bomb cities, fire off AA and miniguns and even get shot but cannot own a firearm personally" Correct. Military personnel undergoes extensive training and are evaluated before entering the force and handed a gun. This requirement can be revisited if former-military.

"The insurance would have to be personal insurance, not gun insurance. Else for every gun you'd need another policy. This is silly. This would not prevent mass shootings" Not silly at all. You want to have an arsenal, pony up.

"You'd need to enact a federal registry to know who owned what gun" Not if the federal government also brokers private sales. Anything in the black market wouldn't be different than now, and would get charged as they do now

"You have no logical reason to ban people from owning and wearing bullet resistant clothing" There's certainly a logic to it, makes putting down these clowns easier for both armed civilians and LEO.


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[ElNono]

Well then be realistic with your proposals. I will never bet against evil people.

There's nothing unrealistic with those proposals. As a matter of fact, most of those are indeed current regulation in a lot of other first-world countries that don't have this problem.

Heck, most of them are mere inconveniences(!). Wait 30 days, get checked every two years, get insurance.

[Blake]

There's nothing unrealistic with those proposals. As a matter of fact, most of those are indeed current regulation in a lot of other first-world countries that don't have this problem.

Heck, most of them are mere inconveniences(!). Wait 30 days, get checked every two years, get insurance.

DMC needs a reason! He can't think of any

[Splits]

Every gun owner must take federally mandated training, tailored to the gun they own, includes mental health check. Must repeat every 2 years or just serve and qualify, problem solved --- sure, if you're military, waiver could be considered. But a mental health check would still be required. Because, you know "MENTAL HEALTH"
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30 day waiting period on new gun purchases this needs to have a reason. the current wait is for background checks - 30 days would prevent most mass shootings, see Uvalde
Private gun sales must go through federal broker, also subject to 30 day waiting period Then it's not a private gun sale if another FFL has to broker it. Also unenforceable - GREAT! IF unenforceable, just outlaw it. I was trying to be accomadable, but if it doesn't work just ban private sales!
Ban clips larger than 10, confiscate anything larger Most clips only hold 4 rounds. I think you mean magazines which your suggestion is unenforceable since they aren't serialized or recorded and 10's of millions exist already, but if you meant clips then sure, I'm all for the Mauser and Steyr having limited capacity clips. LMAO CLIPS MAGAZINES who gives a fuck about terminology. No more than 10 bullets without reloading. How about that?
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Limit ammo purchases everywhere except shooting ranges. Can rent larger clips at the shooting range. Cannot take ammo or large clips from shooting ranges home with you Ammo purchases have been limited for over a year, 2 boxes per person. Uh huh. Define a "box"
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Raise minimum age of gun ownership to 21 So military folks can bomb cities, fire off AA and miniguns and even get shot but cannot own a firearm personally. Absoufuckinglutely signing a contract with the military and fulfilling service completely differentiates.




Must carry gun insurance. Insurance company financially liable for any crime committed with said gun The insurance would have to be personal insurance, not gun insurance. Else for every gun you'd need another policy. This is silly. This would not prevent mass shootings.
​Good. For every gun you own, it gets more expensive. Doesn't hurt the single white female who wants to self protect, hurts the small dick preppers like you

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Gun owners are criminally liable if their gun is used in a crime, or accidental shooting by a child, and they are shown to have not properly protected it (locked in safe for example) You'd need to enact a federal registry to know who owned what gun
PERFECT
Ban military-style protective armor This makes no sense. You have no logical reason to ban people from owning and wearing bullet resistant clothing, and no way to police the sale or ownership of it
​Oh it makes total sense, the only people who want that shit are a threat

[Splits]

Well then be realistic with your proposals. I will never bet against evil people.

What is so confusing?

I bet you there will be another school shooting in the next 12 months. I will put $10,000 in escrow. You match it.

If there is ANY gun reform enacted in the next 12 months, you win my $10,000. With or without a school shooting.

Deal?

[Thread]

I don't know anything about Kayyem, just saw multiple reports saying the same thing about the kids bodies being so dissolved from those 5.56 rounds that they weren't identifiable on site. Seen vids of grown ass men getting mangled, which was fucked up enough. Little babies though... sad, man.

Country ain't worth saving tbh. They won way back when they took out Fred Hampton and told everyone he was an extremist. Now everyone is applauding Beto for crying at a press conference and Pelosi for tearing up a piece of paper. One side can't see past their american exceptionalism goggles, and the other has their head up so far up their white knight ass, they can't see their own hypocritical posturing.

Rednecks and BLM marchers should be out on the street together right now, but that's never gonna happen, is it? Not about some bs kumbaya "coexist' shit either, just the obvious enemy that isn't being identified

The bitter truth.

[ElNono]

I think the idea on "unrealistic" here is in the sense that Republicans congressmen will never vote for this, because they know their gun-fellating audience. Democrats will manage to over-promise and under-achieve, as they usually do.

This conservative SCOTUS will also make sure to find a passage from The Federalist in 1752 that explicitly said "Muskets should be reloaded as many times as needed" to mean a 100 round magazine is a CoNsTiTuTiOnAl RiGhT.

If that's what we mean by "unrealistic", then it's not. It only means that's our reality and we need to slowly change it.

[monosylab1k]

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[DarrinS]

At the end of the day, someone with a gun ended it.

[Blake]

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And then when there's a fire and kids are killed, have two doors...... Or even three

[monosylab1k]

At the end of the day, someone with a gun ended it.

Keep that same energy if it happens to your family :tu

[Trill Clinton]

Damn
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[ducks]

Obama clobbered for linking Uvalde massacre to two-year mark of George Floyd's murder



Wow he learned nothing at school

[ducks]

What the heck
Do you think parents care what happened to Floyd tonight ?

[DMC]

That's not "problem solved". Mental health can onset at different times in life. This was a 18 years old, some other people don't act up until some crisis in their 40s. That's why it needs to be periodic. This is where the left goes overbudget. They cannot possibly get support for this.

why? what makes a waiting period illegal or unenforceable? What is the wait time for? This is what I asked. What happens in 30 days that doesn't happen in 5 days? Does the ATF need more time to conduct a background check? I didn't say it was illegal or unenforceable. I said there needs to be a reason..

Correct. Military personnel undergoes extensive training and are evaluated before entering the force and handed a gun. This requirement can be revisited if former-military.
Extensive training in killing more efficiently. They do not undergo LEO type training but even then it's not to have more respect for human lives. Basically if you're not mature enough to own a firearm you're not mature enough to carry one in war.

Not silly at all. You want to have an arsenal, pony up. Pricing an entire lower income segment out of their rights sounds like a real democrat ticket winner

Not if the federal government also brokers private sales. Anything in the black market wouldn't be different than now, and would get charged as they do now There's over 400m guns in circulation now, none but NFA weapons on a national registry. What's your solution for getting those 400m under a tracking system and how do you propose it gets enforced other than saying "It's the law"? Person A owns an unregistered firearm and sells to person B. Now person B owns an unregistered firearm. There's no record this sale took place, and no way to ever prosecute since there's no traceability of the firearm.

There's certainly a logic to it, makes putting down these clowns easier for both armed civilians and LEO. So there are too many mass shootings so the answer is to outlaw passive body protection to make killing people easier. Doesn't sound logical.

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[DMX7]

And then when there's a fire and kids are killed, have two doors...... Or even three

As if these kinds of murders only happen at schools and not also at church, movie theaters, Wal-Mart etc.

But let’s not kid ourselves, Ted isn’t looking for answers. He’s just trying to run out the clock…. to buy time for outrage to die down and for people to move on until the next senseless tragedy strikes.

[DMX7]

What else would you expect?

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[diego]

Every gun owner must take federally mandated training, tailored to the gun they own, includes mental health check. Must repeat every 2 years or just serve and qualify, problem solved --- sure, if you're military, waiver could be considered. But a mental health check would still be required. Because, you know "MENTAL HEALTH"
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30 day waiting period on new gun purchases this needs to have a reason. the current wait is for background checks - 30 days would prevent most mass shootings, see Uvalde
Private gun sales must go through federal broker, also subject to 30 day waiting period Then it's not a private gun sale if another FFL has to broker it. Also unenforceable - GREAT! IF unenforceable, just outlaw it. I was trying to be accomadable, but if it doesn't work just ban private sales!
Ban clips larger than 10, confiscate anything larger Most clips only hold 4 rounds. I think you mean magazines which your suggestion is unenforceable since they aren't serialized or recorded and 10's of millions exist already, but if you meant clips then sure, I'm all for the Mauser and Steyr having limited capacity clips. LMAO CLIPS MAGAZINES who gives a fuck about terminology. No more than 10 bullets without reloading. How about that?
​
Limit ammo purchases everywhere except shooting ranges. Can rent larger clips at the shooting range. Cannot take ammo or large clips from shooting ranges home with you Ammo purchases have been limited for over a year, 2 boxes per person. Uh huh. Define a "box"
​
Raise minimum age of gun ownership to 21 So military folks can bomb cities, fire off AA and miniguns and even get shot but cannot own a firearm personally. Absoufuckinglutely signing a contract with the military and fulfilling service completely differentiates.




Must carry gun insurance. Insurance company financially liable for any crime committed with said gun The insurance would have to be personal insurance, not gun insurance. Else for every gun you'd need another policy. This is silly. This would not prevent mass shootings.
​Good. For every gun you own, it gets more expensive. Doesn't hurt the single white female who wants to self protect, hurts the small dick preppers like you

​
Gun owners are criminally liable if their gun is used in a crime, or accidental shooting by a child, and they are shown to have not properly protected it (locked in safe for example) You'd need to enact a federal registry to know who owned what gun
PERFECT
Ban military-style protective armor This makes no sense. You have no logical reason to ban people from owning and wearing bullet resistant clothing, and no way to police the sale or ownership of it
​Oh it makes total sense, the only people who want that shit are a threat


what are carry laws in the US?
I know about open, concealed carry and that it varies state to state, but do they also limit how many guns and in what firing condition?
Here you can only carry one unloaded gun, and you have to register where your safes are, you cant have your unloaded gun in another city if you dont have a safe registered there (a friend got busted for this, just from having his gun loaded in his backpack during a motorcycle accident- fine and licence and weapon impounded for 2 years), which is probably too much to ask from the US, but just limiting the number of guns you can carry makes it easier for cops to enforce private sales. I wonder what enthusiasts prefer, ban private sales outright or put more limits on how you can carry?

I think the insurance angle has the most potential, but I think it might be better still as a tax that is used to fund mental health surveillance at schools and with gun owners, plus like a sort of VA for victims... and maybe its more important to tax the ammo than the guns themselves, people here hunt and Im not familiar enough to know what specific ammo they use but Im sure the ammo selection here is much more limited and less powerful, either by laws or market forces, that could also be an effective way to reduce the danger of these shootings. Of course, "enthusiasts" will hate these ideas but they work in other places. And you can still go to a range or on a safari and use your fancy stuff there..

[DMC]

Every gun owner must take federally mandated training, tailored to the gun they own, includes mental health check. Must repeat every 2 years or just serve and qualify, problem solved --- sure, if you're military, waiver could be considered. But a mental health check would still be required. Because, you know "MENTAL HEALTH"
​
30 day waiting period on new gun purchases this needs to have a reason. the current wait is for background checks - 30 days would prevent most mass shootings, see Uvalde
Private gun sales must go through federal broker, also subject to 30 day waiting period Then it's not a private gun sale if another FFL has to broker it. Also unenforceable - GREAT! IF unenforceable, just outlaw it. I was trying to be accomadable, but if it doesn't work just ban private sales!
Ban clips larger than 10, confiscate anything larger Most clips only hold 4 rounds. I think you mean magazines which your suggestion is unenforceable since they aren't serialized or recorded and 10's of millions exist already, but if you meant clips then sure, I'm all for the Mauser and Steyr having limited capacity clips. LMAO CLIPS MAGAZINES who gives a fuck about terminology. No more than 10 bullets without reloading. How about that?
​
Limit ammo purchases everywhere except shooting ranges. Can rent larger clips at the shooting range. Cannot take ammo or large clips from shooting ranges home with you Ammo purchases have been limited for over a year, 2 boxes per person. Uh huh. Define a "box"
​
Raise minimum age of gun ownership to 21 So military folks can bomb cities, fire off AA and miniguns and even get shot but cannot own a firearm personally. Absoufuckinglutely signing a contract with the military and fulfilling service completely differentiates.




Must carry gun insurance. Insurance company financially liable for any crime committed with said gun The insurance would have to be personal insurance, not gun insurance. Else for every gun you'd need another policy. This is silly. This would not prevent mass shootings.
​Good. For every gun you own, it gets more expensive. Doesn't hurt the single white female who wants to self protect, hurts the small dick preppers like you

​
Gun owners are criminally liable if their gun is used in a crime, or accidental shooting by a child, and they are shown to have not properly protected it (locked in safe for example) You'd need to enact a federal registry to know who owned what gun
PERFECT
Ban military-style protective armor This makes no sense. You have no logical reason to ban people from owning and wearing bullet resistant clothing, and no way to police the sale or ownership of it
​Oh it makes total sense, the only people who want that shit are a threat


1. The military already conducts mental health screening
2. Not sure what your character means there.
3. Why 30 days? If you could go back in time and change the 5 days to 30 right before the purchase, sure, because the plan was made for a 5 day wait. In our current time line, you have to assume the shooter is aware of the wait and is OK with it, or they get a gun elsewhere.
4. You can ban all day. Without traceability via national registry, you cannot tie a firearm to a firearm owner once the 1st p2p sale happens ergo you cannot enforce or prosecute. This was part of the FOPA.
5. If you want it in a law it matters. This is why ARs continued to be sold in California even after the assault weapons ban. The manufacturer used the lack of understanding of terminology by the legislators and just changed some features, and just like they they no longer classified as being the same weapon the law referred to. However, how long does it take to rerack a magazine? The 10 round suggestion didn't work before. Would you destroy existing stock of high cap magazines and how would you enforce the confiscation of existing high cap mags? This is what stymied this same attempt last time, ample supply of high cap mags that just increased in price, now everyone owns several in case it ever happens again.
6.weird character again
7. Define "limited". For .223/5.56 a box is 20 rounds.
8. Weird character again
9. But you're not 18 when you fulfill your service requirements. You'd be 22. Why not raise the age of eligibility to 21. Wouldn't that make more sense? Again, why is an 18 year old more mature because they agreed to join the military?

1. Doesn't do shit to me. Hurts the migrant family who wants self protection, or the poor folks in higher crime areas who want protection.
2. Unrealistic "stick it to them" solution destined to be laughed at when suggested to congress, assuming it ever made it past your own rep.
3. character again
4. & 5. There's a law against a federal firearm registry. 18 U.S. Code § 926
6. There's nothing dangerous about kevlar armor. Cops die every day while wearing it.

“The officers immediately advanced toward the gunfire and within approximately 20 seconds, they engaged the suspect, who was actively firing and attempting to enter a crowded liquor establishment,” the police chief said.

“The threat was neutralized at approximately 30 seconds of the suspect firing his first shot,” Biehl said.

Yeah that body armor... impossible to stop that guy.

Your suggestions are emotional drivel with almost zero realistic considerations and absolutely no understanding of current laws or of the firearms they cover. This is why your suggestions will be dismissed as just rantings.

[Winehole23]

At the end of the day, someone with a gun ended it.At the end of the day, Border Patrol couldn't defeat a locked door until school staff brought a key and opened it for them. Other LE apparently didn't even try, but they did keep local good guys away from the scene.

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[DMC]

what are carry laws in the US?
I know about open, concealed carry and that it varies state to state, but do they also limit how many guns and in what firing condition?
Here you can only carry one unloaded gun, and you have to register where your safes are, you cant have your unloaded gun in another city if you dont have a safe registered there (a friend got busted for this, just from having his gun loaded in his backpack during a motorcycle accident- fine and licence and weapon impounded for 2 years), which is probably too much to ask from the US, but just limiting the number of guns you can carry makes it easier for cops to enforce private sales. I wonder what enthusiasts prefer, ban private sales outright or put more limits on how you can carry?

I think the insurance angle has the most potential, but I think it might be better still as a tax that is used to fund mental health surveillance at schools and with gun owners, plus like a sort of VA for victims... and maybe its more important to tax the ammo than the guns themselves, people here hunt and Im not familiar enough to know what specific ammo they use but Im sure the ammo selection here is much more limited and less powerful, either by laws or market forces, that could also be an effective way to reduce the danger of these shootings. Of course, "enthusiasts" will hate these ideas but they work in other places. And you can still go to a range or on a safari and use your fancy stuff there..

Unloaded guns might as well be paper weights. They are worthless. The CHL does not restrict number of guns and you are not required to carry concealed. It is only required if you want to carry concealed while open carry doesn't require a CHL (in many states).

:lol Second Amendment enthusiasts

[DMC]

at the end of the day, Texas lawmen couldn't defeat a locked door until school staff brought a key and opened it for them.

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Sounds like a good door.

[DMC]

As if these kinds of murders only happen at schools and not also at church, movie theaters, Wal-Mart etc.

But let’s not kid ourselves, Ted isn’t looking for answers. He’s just trying to run out the clock…. to buy time for outrage to die down and for people to move on until the next senseless tragedy strikes.

All soft targets. If shit ever hit the fan IRL, many here would die in the 1st 30 minutes.

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTnvZogWYAIg7Vm?format=jpg&name=medium

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTpwV88UYAAzSN_?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Winehole23]

All soft targets. If shit ever hit the fan IRL, many here would die in the 1st 30 minutes.while the police wait outside for assistance, since they have no duty to protect.

[ElNono]

"This is where the left goes overbudget. They cannot possibly get support for this." Calling this "the left" is a copout. It's a perfectly rational request that has both real-life evidence and scientific proof behind it. Heck, people oftentimes go through an interview and (sometimes) background checks when they change jobs. Not even sure why this would be controversial at all. Now, if you're asking why would the american gun culture would see this as controversial, sure, but at some point we need to stop listening there, because they largely got us here.

"This is what I asked. What happens in 30 days that doesn't happen in 5 days? Does the ATF need more time to conduct a background check? I didn't say it was illegal or unenforceable. I said there needs to be a reason." What happens in 30 days that doesn't happen in 5 days is that a lot of mental episodes are impulsive. This is directly tied to mental health (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15793698/). That's a reason, but I'll still argue that technically you don't really need one. We make people wait a lot of times due to things as irrelevant as bureaucracy.

"Extensive training in killing more efficiently. They do not undergo LEO type training but even then it's not to have more respect for human lives. Basically if you're not mature enough to own a firearm you're not mature enough to carry one in war." Not just killing, as you know, you also get extensive training in chain of command, respect for superiors, discerning civilian from enemy, etc. If you're not mature enough for the military, you shouldn't be able to join them, and you know some people that sign up for it don't get accepted.

"Pricing an entire lower income segment out of their rights sounds like a real democrat ticket winner" Lower income segment doesn't generally stockpile an arsenal. They have other priorities. Plus this can be negotiatied. ie: 1 is cheap, 5 is expensive, etc.

"There's over 400m guns in circulation now, none but NFA weapons on a national registry. What's your solution for getting those 400m under a tracking system and how do you propose it gets enforced other than saying "It's the law"? Person A owns an unregistered firearm and sells to person B. Now person B owns an unregistered firearm. There's no record this sale took place, and no way to ever prosecute since there's no traceability of the firearm." Why would you need to do anything special about them? This isn't trying to track every weapon, it's trying to at least attempt to tackle the problem. Even if only 10% effective, that's 10% more effective than what we have now which is literally nothing.

"So there are too many mass shootings so the answer is to outlaw passive body protection to make killing people easier. Doesn't sound logical." Compared to the world in general, yes, there are way too many mass shootings in the US, and anything that can help put down these people more effectively once identified and save lives certainly does have merit.

red

(BTW, the honest conversation is appreciated, despite obvious disagreements)

[ElNono]

what are carry laws in the US?
I know about open, concealed carry and that it varies state to state, but do they also limit how many guns and in what firing condition?
Here you can only carry one unloaded gun, and you have to register where your safes are, you cant have your unloaded gun in another city if you dont have a safe registered there (a friend got busted for this, just from having his gun loaded in his backpack during a motorcycle accident- fine and licence and weapon impounded for 2 years), which is probably too much to ask from the US, but just limiting the number of guns you can carry makes it easier for cops to enforce private sales. I wonder what enthusiasts prefer, ban private sales outright or put more limits on how you can carry?

I think the insurance angle has the most potential, but I think it might be better still as a tax that is used to fund mental health surveillance at schools and with gun owners, plus like a sort of VA for victims... and maybe its more important to tax the ammo than the guns themselves, people here hunt and Im not familiar enough to know what specific ammo they use but Im sure the ammo selection here is much more limited and less powerful, either by laws or market forces, that could also be an effective way to reduce the danger of these shootings. Of course, "enthusiasts" will hate these ideas but they work in other places. And you can still go to a range or on a safari and use your fancy stuff there..

You just want to ruin the fun of shredding a squirrel with a AR-15... would somebody think of the hunters, please?

[Winehole23]

30-40 minutes, some say, but still.

what pussios.

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Apparently Uvalde SWAT waited for BORTAC to do their job for them, or couldn't muster quickly enough to do any good.

Federal government good now, I guess.

[ducks]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Uvalde spends 40% of their municipal budget on police for what? Useless in this instance.

[ChumpDumper]

At the end of the day, someone with a gun ended it.Three LEOs with guns didn't stop him from entering the building.

[Winehole23]

Three LEOs with guns didn't stop him from entering the building.then lied that he had body armor.

it was just a plate carrier.

[Winehole23]

Three LEOs with guns didn't stop him from entering the building.maybe if the GOP didn't make it so easy for people to outgun the police, they could have stopped him sooner.

[Winehole23]

but that's how the self-licking ice cream cone is made, I suppose. the response will be moar gunz and moar police.

[Trainwreck2100]

Damn once he locked himself in the room the cops decided to let those kids die rather than move on to save them. They sacrificed those kids to save themselves

[Winehole23]

Damn once he locked himself in the room the cops decided to let those kids die rather than move on to save them. They sacrificed those kids to save themselvesYep. The Supreme Court has said the police have no duty to protect people, and apparently that's taken seriously.

[ChumpDumper]

Damn once he locked himself in the room the cops decided to let those kids die rather than move on to save them. They sacrificed those kids to save themselves

But DMC said they had moar gunz.

DMC needs to do the job himself since he's such an internet badass.

[Winehole23]

Sounds like a good door.gunz don't kill innocent kids, it was the door's fault for being so good.

[Isitjustme?]

"Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman’s rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, witnesses said Wednesday,"

where are the good guys with guns when you need them??

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

daboom1 SnakeBoy Thread DarrinS KarenS

[HemisfairArena]

Funny how democrats crying about gun control after these children got killed but have no problem killing babies in the womb,,,,even waiting to kill the baby all the way up to full term,,,,sick bastards,,,

[Trainwreck2100]

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are the students supposed to get there 3 hours before first bell to compensate for that obvious bottleneck?

[Winehole23]

are the students supposed to get there 3 hours before first bell to compensate for that obvious bottleneck?ask a firefighter how well this would work if the school caught on fire. brain dead take.

[Trainwreck2100]

Funny how democrats crying about gun control after these children got killed but have no problem killing babies in the womb,,,,even waiting to kill the baby all the way up to full term,,,,sick bastards,,,

funny how you're cool with cops sitting on their hands for 40 minutes while some asshole turns kids into ground beef. That's not hyperbole, that's what 5.56 does to a child

[Trainwreck2100]

ask a firefighter how this would work

it's basically the right's "school should be like the airport now" bullshit that their dumbass supporters are buying into. Because their whole, "we need to harden these classrooms" directly led to those kids being killed. Those hardened doors litterally killed those kids.

[daboom1]

"Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman’s rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, witnesses said Wednesday,"

where are the good guys with guns when you need them??

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

daboom1 SnakeBoy Thread DarrinS KarenS

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1529698182011138048?t

[Winehole23]

it's basically the right's "school should be like the airport now" bullshit that their dumbass supporters are buying into. Because their whole, "we need to harden these classrooms" directly led to those kids being killed. Those hardened doors litterally killed those kids.presumably the hardened doors protected the schoolrooms that managed to lock the door and keep the kids quiet once the shooter got inside, but I see your point. the doors hindered access by LE.

[ducks]

Stacey Abrams serves as board member, governor of foundation that supports #AbolishThePolice
Stacey Abrams has previously tried to distance herself from hardline rhetoric of #DefundThePolice movement

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1529661572515258368?t

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1529698182011138048?t

Yeah it gets way lower than that. You just quoted where it got lower -- the cops sat outside and let the kids die.

What's the matter with you?

[Winehole23]

Stacey Abrams serves as board member, governor of foundation that supports #AbolishThePolice
Stacey Abrams has previously tried to distance herself from hardline rhetoric of #DefundThePolice movementlol whataboutism.

Cops were useless in Uvalde. They waited for the feds to save their asses.

[Trainwreck2100]

presumably the hardened doors protected the schoolrooms that managed to lock the door and keep the kids quiet once the shooter got inside, but I see your point. the doors hindered access by LE.

you're assuming that he was going to enter more than one classroom, you have to think like someone who grew up in that environment, he had 10 years to figure out how to best succeed in killing mass numbers of kids and growing up in it he knew exactly how soft a target it was. These dumbass Republicans think that putting more expensive crap in their schools will save the kids, when it won't because these shooters are the same kids that have had years to figure out the hole in the security.

[ChumpDumper]

So the new GOP hotness will be one door for hundreds or thousands of students?

[Winehole23]

funny how you're cool with cops sitting on their hands for 40 minutes while some asshole turns kids into ground beef. That's not hyperbole, that's what 5.56 does to a childthey took DNA cheek swabs from the parents to identify the kids.

[Trainwreck2100]

So the new GOP hotness will be one door for hundreds or thousands of students?

pretty much enjoy years of "it works for the airport" when the airport isn't populated by children and forces you to show up 3 hours early and wait in line for bullshit, and scans your body one by one, and has it's own dedicated federal agency

[daboom1]

https://i.ibb.co/DgPXZ2p/Screenshot-20220526-013422-Opera.jpg

[Winehole23]

you're assuming that he was going to enter more than one classroom, you have to think like someone who grew up in that environment, he had 10 years to figure out how to best succeed in killing mass numbers of kids and growing up in it he knew exactly how soft a target it was. These dumbass Republicans think that putting more expensive crap in their schools will save the kids, when it won't because these shooters are the same kids that have had years to figure out the hole in the security.they also have "lone wolf" manifestos like Buffalo dude describing how to do it to the internetz wolf pack.

[ChumpDumper]

https://i.ibb.co/DgPXZ2p/Screenshot-20220526-013422-Opera.jpg

:lol I hurt you.

[Winehole23]

:lol I hurt you.he was already wounded. even changed his handle.

[ChumpDumper]

SMH Trumptard goalposts

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[ChumpDumper]

he was already wounded. even changed his handle.

:lmao he still won't admit it.

[Winehole23]

SMH Trumptard goalposts

1529482485951774720same commie teachers who are grooming children to be sexual deviants and teaching them hatred of the white race by forcing accurate US history on them.

[ChumpDumper]

same commie teachers who are grooming children to be sexual deviants and teaching them hatred of the white race by forcing accurate US history on them.
The teachers will indeed save the children if only to ensure Hillary's supply of adrenochrome.

[ElNono]

KarenS

:lol tbh

[Winehole23]

The teachers will indeed save the children if only to ensure Hillary's supply of adrenochrome.Diabolical!

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1529698182011138048?t


https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1529661572515258368?t


Beep boop

[TDMVPDPOY]

gun lobby group could do something...limit assault rifles/semi automatics purchase from civilians..., if u want to shoot one, goto a shooting range...

[Trainwreck2100]

they also have "lone wolf" manifestos like Buffalo dude describing how to do it to the internetz wolf pack.

This one wasn't like buffalo dude, same weapon different reasons.

[Winehole23]

The teachers will indeed save the children if only to ensure Hillary's supply of adrenochrome.in truth, if they start issuing guns to teachers, they'll start shooting black and brown kids for misbehaving in class.

[Winehole23]

This one wasn't like buffalo dude, same weapon different reasons.oh, I agree, but the degree of sharing is undeniable.Buffalo dude drew inspiration from Breivik and the Christchurch dude, and spelled out his preparations.

[Trainwreck2100]

in truth, if they start issuing guns to teachers, they'll start shooting black and brown kids for misbehaving in class.

that's what cops do, the teachers actually threw themselves between the shooter and the kids rather than waiting 40 minutes.

[Isitjustme?]

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1529698182011138048?t

How dare people not worship those brave cops who stood by and did nothing while people were being murdered. Them watching the murders take place while staying strong and resisting the urge to do anything rash like you know..stop the guy...shows what heroes they really are #boysinblue #bluelivesmatter(morethankidslives)

[Winehole23]

that's what cops do, the teachers actually threw themselves between the shooter and the kids rather than waiting 40 minutes.

It happened in this case: Eva Morales and Irma Garcia. Haven't heard any right wingers mentioning them, or the little kid who tried to call 911 in the killer's presence.

.

[Winehole23]

Amerie Jo Garza.

All these Hispanic heroes, who actually put their actual lives on the line for innocent kids, oddly unmentioned so far.

"At the end of the day, men with gunz shot him."

[Winehole23]

gun lobby group could do something...limit assault rifles/semi automatics purchase from civilians..., if u want to shoot one, goto a shooting range...I've heard ]that's the Canadian method. if you get caught with a gun not along the most direct route to a firing range, it's a jailhouse crime. not sure, is that roughly correct? I presume there must be some tolerance for hunting there.

[Winehole23]

It happened in this case: Eva Morales and Irma Garcia. Haven't heard any right wingers mentioning them, or the little kid who tried to call 911 in the killer's presence.

.too busy defending gunz and police to notice the people actually trying to defend the kids in the line of fire, apparently

[Isitjustme?]

https://i.ibb.co/DgPXZ2p/Screenshot-20220526-013422-Opera.jpg

The safest space of them all: Chris's brain (well when he cranks up the shitty metal music loud enough to drown out his parents blaring of Maddow in the other room, but still....)

[ElNono]

This morning, the Onion devoted its entire home page to dozens of images from mass shootings dating back to 2014, accompanied by the same devastating headline: “‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens.”

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[ElNono]

UVALDE, TX—In the hours following a violent rampage in Texas in which a lone attacker killed at least 21 individuals and injured several others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Idaho resident Kathy Miller, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

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Sounds like some posters here, tbh... if it wouldn't be so tragic it would be hilarious...

[Winehole23]

."We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas!"

[ElNono]

"We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas!"

Laws apparently work pretty well to prevent bad actors from legally buying explosives, and you won't ever hear a politico claim the only way to stop a bad guy with a bomb is a good guy with a bomb.

Heck, government has no problem tracking who we legally sell decongestant medicine to, but guns? That's a privacy violation, or it's the federal government trying to take muh guns away, or "it's impossible".

The idiocy seemingly has no limit.

[ElNono]

BTW, actual studies:

https://www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l542
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15388220.2021.2018332

[hater]

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1529273026986004480

[Isitjustme?]

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1529273026986004480

Forgot that guy existed but knew you would be a fan..

[DarrinS]

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Amazon.com for about $150


Getting one for free is harder, I suppose

[diego]

I've heard ]that's the Canadian method. if you get caught with a gun not along the most direct route to a firing range, it's a jailhouse crime. not sure, is that roughly correct? I presume there must be some tolerance for hunting there.

Yep even some south American countries are like this too
I'm going to find out exactly but here most hunters are using birdshot and similar low caliber weapons, in part because they don't require permits etc, in part because who wants to eat game that is mangled to bits? Same with competitive shooting etc..

Dmc thinks that infringes on his 2A rights, I don't see where it says the well regulated militia can't be regulated

[Thread]

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1529273026986004480

hater, pouring it on. God-bless-hater.

hater

[monosylab1k]

Amerie Jo Garza.

All these Hispanic heroes, who actually put their actual lives on the line for innocent kids, oddly unmentioned so far.

"At the end of the day, men with gunz shot him."

“19 dead kids is a great outcome, it could have been so much worse!”

[Winehole23]

Cops got an extra kid shot


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTqSw3mUcAA9R2F?format=jpg&name=mediumhttps://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/its-time-to-die-fourth-grade-survivor-uvalde-shooting-recalls-what-gunman-told-student/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235

[monosylab1k]

Cops got an extra kid shot

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/its-time-to-die-fourth-grade-survivor-uvalde-shooting-recalls-what-gunman-told-student/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235

If you wanna make an omelet, you gotta kill some kids.

[Thread]

The cops, as in Colorado back then wouldn't go in.

[Winehole23]

Amazon.com for about $150


Getting one for free is harder, I supposelol nitpicking the comparison

Point stands, the government has tougher rules for getting a wheelchair than an AR-15.

[Trill Clinton]

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[monosylab1k]

Amazon.com for about $150


Getting one for free is harder, I suppose

He’s not talking about a basic manual wheelchair, you drunken moron.

He has muscular dystrophy and uses a motorized wheelchair which is very expensive, and you absolutely have to jump through hoops get get one paid for by insurance or Medicare.

[hater]

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:tu

Good parents

[hater]

"Take everyones guns away" :cry

"Flood Europe with millions of guns and weapons. Slava Kokaine!" :cry


:lmao todays woke demoretards :lmao

[Ef-man]

"Take everyones guns away" :cry

"Flood Europe with millions of guns and weapons. Slava Kokaine!" :cry


:lmao todays woke demoretards :lmao

Well, to be fair, Reagan secretly facilitated the sale of arms to the Khomeini government of the Islamic Republic of Iran even though there was arms embargo against Iran.

And Democrats got the republicans to vote in favor of supplying Ukraine with weapons, so there is that.

They did not teach this in shit-hole Colombian schools? Sad.

[hater]

Well, to be fair, Reagan secretly facilitated the sale of arms to the Khomeini government of the Islamic Republic of Iran even though there was arms embargo against Iran.

And Democrats got the republicans to vote in favor of supplying Ukraine with weapons, so there is that.

Reagan and repugs are pro gun

So your point is moot

[Winehole23]

the more things change...

brutal thread

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[Ef-man]

Reagan and repugs are pro gun

So your point is moot

Is that what they teach in shit-hole Colombian schools nowadays? :wow

[Winehole23]

Put your money where your mouth is. $100 says none of your proposals passes in the next two years. Reality hits you square in the ass.thanks for pointing out the problem isn't the lack of policy options, but Republicans in office who refuse to vote for them.

[Splits]

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these fucking pigs

[Winehole23]

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these fucking pigs"First, I want to acknowledge the brave men and women of law enforcement who showed up on the scene.."

Unbelievable. 19 kids died while cops sat on their hands and the first thing he wants to do is brag about LE.

[Trill Clinton]

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these fucking pigs

Despicable. Those cops are pussies.

[Trill Clinton]

"First, I want to acknowledge the brave men and women of law enforcement who showed up on the scene.."

Unbelievable. 19 kids died while cops sat on their hands and the first thing he wants to do is brag about LE.

They're a gang.

[Splits]

A Border Patrol agent who was working nearby when the shooting began rushed into the school without waiting for backup and shot and killed the gunman, who was behind a barricade, according to a law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about it.


Notice it doesn't say "transgender mixed race human rights activist and gender studies major hurled sourdough at the shooter who then died of a gluten attack"


The BP agent was hit but didn't wait for backup.

these fuckin fools

[TimDunkem]

"First, I want to acknowledge the brave men and women of law enforcement who showed up on the scene.."

Unbelievable. 19 kids died while cops sat on their hands and the first thing he wants to do is brag about LE.
Because he knows what happens the second he puts their feet to the fire. They and the base vote for someone else, and send their campaign donations elsewhere.

[Leetonidas]

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1529273026986004480

:lol comparing an active warzone to children getting murdered at school. How dumb do you have to be to tweet this and think it was a zinger

[TimDunkem]

At least those in charge of the scene were true to Texas' values:

Every man, woman, and child who isn't a cop's kid for themselves!

[Splits]

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[boutons_deux]

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these fucking pigs

Remember the Parkland cop also cringed outside listening to the gunshots

Good guys with guns proving they have small dicks and no balls

[DarrinS]

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[Thread]

Despicable. Those cops are pussies.

Ain't like on the TV, eh, TC? Uh, uh. Nobody wants to go in there and face the unknown. [The unknown] is a cruel master, sonny-boy, and a blatant teacher of reality.

[ChumpDumper]

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You think the guys on stage are alphas:lmao

[Thread]

You think the guys on stage are alphas:lmao

It's like in Ukr...you guys say all the time...[find out].

[Spurminator]

Remember the Parkland cop also cringed outside listening to the gunshots

Good guys with guns proving they have small dicks and no balls

We pay too much for military grade equipment and we don't pay enough for the people using it.

[Thread]

We pay too much for military grade equipment and we don't pay enough for the people using them.

Bottom line, Spurm? Nobody wants to be shot, only on TV & the cinema.

[SpursforSix]

It's hard to fathom than not one of the cops said, "fuck protocol", I'm going in.

[Thread]

It's hard to fathom than not one of the cops said, "fuck protocol", I'm going in.

That only happens on the TV & the cinema, SfS.

[SpursforSix]

That only happens on the TV & the cinema, SfS.

That's just not true.

[Thread]

Funny how democrats crying about gun control after these children got killed but have no problem killing babies in the womb,,,,even waiting to kill the baby all the way up to full term,,,,sick bastards,,,

You GD right, Hemster.

[hater]

Bottom line, Spurm? Nobody wants to be shot, only on TV & the cinema.

Yup

Kids watch tok many Marvel m9vies these days

Then they hide in their basement from sniffles for a y3ar


Smdh todays chickenhwaks

[ChumpDumper]

:lol brave hater locked down with everyone else

[Spurminator]

hater's managed to bring pro-Russia propaganda and anti-vax propaganda into a thread about 19 dead children because things are going well for hater.

[TimDunkem]

That's just not true.
I mean...it was literally ended this way. A fucking off-duty BP agent had to show up, charge in, and eat some bullets. Meanwhile, local cops were taking down unruly parents with tasers. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

hater's managed to bring pro-Russia propaganda and anti-vax propaganda into a thread about 19 dead children because things are going well for hater.

Trumptards want to talk about anything but this shooting.

[SpursforSix]

I mean...it was literally ended this way. A fucking off-duty BP agent had to show up, charge in, and eat some bullets. Meanwhile, local cops were taking down unruly parents with tasers. :lol

Yep. Thread is being retarded.

[Trill Clinton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKjSLAUFWSo&t=109s

[ducks]

Schumer blocks Senate GOP school safety bill, angering Republicans

[Trainwreck2100]

I mean...it was literally ended this way. A fucking off-duty BP agent had to show up, charge in, and eat some bullets. Meanwhile, local cops were taking down unruly parents with tasers. :lol

looking like that's not what happened, they literally just had some school worker with keys open the door. Because the "barricade" these lying fucks were talking about was a fucking lock

[ChumpDumper]

looking like that's not what happened, they literally just had some school worker with keys open the door. Because the "barricade" these lying fucks were talking about was a fucking lock

Well this is certain to confuse the nascent lock reform legislation the GOP is developing.

[Splits]

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[ChumpDumper]

1529586357491978242Jesus, money can wait until Tuesday.

[Nathan89]

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Score them political points.

[Nathan89]

If the teachers were armed we would not be so dependent on the do nothing cops.

[clambake]

Well, looks like the more guns mantra got blowed up, in Texas, where men with guns don’t walk the talk. No wonder caution tape is yellow.

[ChumpDumper]

If the teachers were armed we would not be so dependent on the do nothing cops.
:lol You're assuming untrained elementary school teachers want to carry loaded guns in their classrooms.

Do you know any teachers?

[Spurminator]

If the teachers were armed we would not be so dependent on the do nothing cops.

You want to arm the teachers you're scared are indoctrinating our children with CRT?

:lol You stupid motherfuckers can't keep up with your own outrages.

[TimDunkem]

If the teachers were armed we would not be so dependent on the do nothing cops.
These excuses get dumber and dumber with every massacre.

[ChumpDumper]

ARM THE GROOMERS!

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol You're assuming untrained elementary school teachers want to carry loaded guns in their classrooms.

Do you know any teachers?

having a gun in their classrooms, on their persons, without the safety, and capable of outdrawing someone with their gun already out, assuming they did all that, they'd still have time to get 1 round out while the other guy spits out 5, because that would have been what had to happen in this case.

[Splits]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTsvRy7VUAcBzzi?format=jpg

[Nathan89]

:lol You're assuming untrained elementary school teachers want to carry loaded guns in their classrooms.

Do you know any teachers?

It would be optional. I'm assuming some would. Though it is a feminine institution so I could be wrong.

[clambake]

If the teachers were armed we would not be so dependent on the do nothing cops.

Are you suggesting defunding police?

[Nathan89]

You want to arm the teachers you're scared are indoctrinating our children with CRT?

:lol You stupid motherfuckers can't keep up with your own outrages.

Many leftists want the only people with guns to be the racist cops.

The terrible teachers can kill the kids at any moment. Allowing them to choose to carry for protection isn't an illogical position. You are just too focused on trying to dunk on people to actually think about things.

[Blake]

What else would you expect?

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Was one of the solutions "MOAR GUNS"

[Blake]

Many leftists want the only people with guns to be the racist cops.

The terrible teachers can kill the kids at any moment. Allowing them to choose to carry to for protection isn't an illogical position. You are just too focused on trying to dunk on people to actually think about things.

Many rightists want racist cops

[ChumpDumper]

It would be optional. I'm assuming some would. Though it is a feminine institution so I could be wrong.

How many loaded guns do you carry at your masculine job?

5?

12?

[daboom1]

If stricter gun laws reduced gun violence rates, you'd expect jurisdictions with those laws to have lower rates of gun violence.

Instead, we find quite the opposite.

[Trainwreck2100]

If stricter gun laws reduced gun violence rates, you'd expect jurisdictions with those laws to have lower rates of gun violence.

Instead, we find quite the opposite.

england, australia, new zealand etc

[ChumpDumper]

If stricter gun laws reduced gun violence rates, you'd expect jurisdictions with those laws to have lower rates of gun violence.

Instead, we find quite the opposite.Trump's NRA speech is in a gun free zone.

[Th'Pusher]

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these fucking pigs

I think you misspelled good guys with guns.

[Ef-man]

Trump's NRA speech is in a gun free zone.

Thomas Jefferson and James Madison banned firearms at the University of Virginia.

[Splits]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MghunNI0g-w

[daboom1]

The US makes up about 1.15% of the world's mass shootings while having almost 5% of the world's population.

https://i.ibb.co/2yJhcs6/20220526-123738.png

[Spurminator]

The US makes up about 1.15% of the world's mass shootings while having almost 5% of the world's population.

https://i.ibb.co/2yJhcs6/20220526-123738.png

Conservatives continuing to hold the US to the standard of shithole countries.

No wonder we keep moving backwards.

[TimDunkem]

The US makes up about 1.15% of the world's mass shootings while having almost 5% of the world's population.

https://i.ibb.co/2yJhcs6/20220526-123738.png
Straws. You're grasping at them.

Now do one on school shootings in 1st world countries. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

The US makes up about 1.15% of the world's mass shootings while having almost 5% of the world's population.

https://i.ibb.co/2yJhcs6/20220526-123738.png

You don't think kids' getting slaughtered at school is a big deal and you don't want to do anything about it.

We get it.

[Spurminator]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MghunNI0g-w

Just need to deep fake this with a fetus and not a fourth grader, then maybe they will care.

[monosylab1k]

You want to arm the teachers you're scared are indoctrinating our children with CRT?

:lol You stupid motherfuckers can't keep up with your own outrages.

:lol

In Nathan89’s defense, he is extremely stupid, and easily influenced by charlatans.

[Splits]

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[Splits]

If gun laws don't work, why did dude wait until his 18th birthday to arm up?

[SnakeBoy]

"Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman’s rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, witnesses said Wednesday,"

where are the good guys with guns when you need them??

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

daboom1 SnakeBoy Thread DarrinS KarenS

They was waiting on the social worker to come deescalate the situation

[ChumpDumper]

Man, Trumptards are really flailing today.

You guys waiting to be fed moar talking points?

[Splits]

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[hater]

They was waiting on the social worker to come deescalate the situation

They were not sure if the suspect was a he/she/it or they..so they had to wait so they can adress.the shooter with the proper pronoun

[ChumpDumper]

They were not sure if the suspect was a he/she/it or they..so they had to wait so they can adress.the shooter with the proper pronoun

Man, Trumptards are really flailing today.

You guys waiting to be fed moar talking points?
single digit follower rando tweet incoming

[daboom1]

According to this 2018 study (surveying data over an 18 year period), the US is 64th in the world in terms of mass shooting rates per capita (which sounds far worse than it is...because all the countries in gray below didn't report data.)

https://i.ibb.co/x87MF4s/20220526-124304.jpg

[monosylab1k]

Man, Trumptards are really flailing today.

You guys waiting to be fed moar talking points?

Ted Cruz definitely needs them :lol the British media really shows how spineless American media is.

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[ChumpDumper]

According to this 2018 study (surveying data over an 18 year period), the US is 64th in the world in terms of mass shooting rates per capita (which sounds far worse than it is...because all the countries in gray below didn't report data.)

https://i.ibb.co/x87MF4s/20220526-124304.jpg

Seriously, Chris-- why are you OK with elementary school kids' being destroyed in class?

Explain.

Also, how can the US rank 64th when the map shows only about 15 countries reporting?

[Spurminator]

I'm gonna call go ahead and call bullshit on that map and stats since there aren't even 64 countries highlighted.

[daboom1]

The highest gun-ownership state with the loosest gun laws in the nation is Wyoming, where 59.7% of households have a gun.

Wyoming gun laws are arguably the LEAST restrictive in the United States.

Wyoming does NOT HAVE a gun homicide problem, with a rate of only 1.4 per 100,000–actually lower than right across the border in more gun-controlled Canada– and only about a third of that of the nation as a whole.

The highest murder rate of any jurisdiction in the US is Washington, DC, which has a murder rate of 21.8 per 100,000... more than twenty times that of most European countries!

But DC also has the most restrictive gun laws in the country... and the lowest rates of legal gun ownership, with numbers less than in many European states!

And blaming this on Republicans' (which Libs made trend ALL of yesterday is...stupid.

Washington DC hasn't had a Republican mayor since literally 1933...and hasn't had a single Republican on its city council since 2008.

[Trainwreck2100]

Seriously, Chris-- why are you OK with elementary school kids' being destroyed in class?

Explain.

It does give credance to an issue I have with the current mash shooting calculations we use, they should be split into "hood shit" and "random acts of violence where innocents have to suffer and not just because they are poor and live in the hood"

[ChumpDumper]

[talking points]
Why are you OK with kids' being murdered at school?

[daboom1]

The same thing is true of ALL the cities with REALLY BAD gun homicide rates.

In 2019:

St Louis, 64.54 murders per 100k, last GOP Mayor left in 1949

Its the 9th most violent city in the world.

The murder rate in Baltimore is 58.27 per 100,000.

Its the 11th most violent city in the world...and has VERY strict gun laws.

This goes and and on down the list...check it for yourself.

I stopped looking for a Republican mayor after a while because it was all Dems forever.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/65/

[ChumpDumper]

The same thing is true of ALL the cities with REALLY BAD gun homicide rates.

In 2019:

St Louis, 64.54 murders per 100k, last GOP Mayor left in 1949

Its the 9th most violent city in the world.

The murder rate in Baltimore is 58.27 per 100,000.

Its the 11th most violent city in the world...and has VERY strict gun laws.

This goes and and on down the list...check it for yourself.

I stopped looking for a Republican mayor after a while because it was all Dems forever.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/65/Anyone can bring in guns they get from a red state/city/town.

Why are you OK with elementary school kids' being murdered in class?

[Joseph Kony]

Qhrisbot just spamming pictures of graphs and abstract snippets with no verifiable source or links :lol dude probably doesn't even know what an abstract is

newsflash to the magatards: "strict gun laws" dont mean jackshit when there are no strict federal laws. if i can drive an hour to a neighboring state and legally buy a gun who the fuck cares if there are "strict gun laws" in an individual city

[Spurminator]

It does give credance to an issue I have with the current mash shooting calculations we use, they should be split into "hood shit" and "random acts of violence where innocents have to suffer and not just because they are poor and live in the hood"

Other countries have hood shit too.

[Joseph Kony]

seriously, i'm curious why you chose to post a screenshot of a small section of the abstract of a study and not the entire study itself. let me guess, you found that pic on gab and rushed to post it since it seems to agree with you :lol

go find a meta-analysis that supports your position and maybe i'll take you seriously

[Splits]

Other countries have hood shit too.

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[Joseph Kony]

1529784584996630528

:lol Raphael losing his shit

[Nathan89]

You don't think kids' getting slaughtered at school is a big deal and you don't want to do anything about it.

We get it.

Do you think news coverage on these events causes more of these events? Do you want to get rid of free speech to tackle the problem?

[Nathan89]

:lol

In Nathan89’s defense, he is extremely stupid, and easily influenced by charlatans.

Many leftists want the only people with guns to be the racist cops.

The terrible teachers can kill the kids at any moment. Allowing them to choose to carry for protection isn't an illogical position. You are just too focused on trying to dunk on people to actually think about things.

[Trill Clinton]

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tragic

[Leetonidas]

Do you think news coverage on these events causes more of these events? Do you want to get rid of free speech to tackle the problem?

You people are so full of crap.

When the media reports soemthing: OMG FEAR MONGERING STOP TRYING TO STOKE THE FLAMES REEEEEEE

When media doesn't report something: OMG SUPRESSING INFORMATION THE MEDIA DOESNT WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT REEEEEE


Pick a lane incel

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1529273026986004480

Yet, mass shootings in Europe are overall rare. If you don't even count Russia as part of Europe, even more rare.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you think news coverage on these events causes more of these events?Probably not much anymore. It's not like kids watch television news. I figure they consume much more social media.


Do you want to get rid of free speech to tackle the problem?Nope. News orgs can consider doing things like not mentioning names and shit like that, but the information will get out in other ways. The use of easily available firearms as an acceptable outlet for male grievance seems to be the bigger issue.

See how easy it is to directly answer questions?

For some reason you fail at it every time.

[daboom1]

seriously, i'm curious why you chose to post a screenshot of a small section of the abstract of a study and not the entire study itself. let me guess, you found that pic on gab and rushed to post it since it seems to agree with you :lol

go find a meta-analysis that supports your position and maybe i'll take you seriously

The Joseph Kony troll account wants to take me seriously :lol

[Nathan89]

You people are so full of crap.

When the media reports soemthing: OMG FEAR MONGERING STOP TRYING TO STOKE THE FLAMES REEEEEEE

When media doesn't report something: OMG SUPRESSING INFORMATION THE MEDIA DOESNT WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT REEEEEE


Pick a lane incel

Answer the questions.

[ChumpDumper]

Answer the questions.That's rich coming from you.:lol

[Joseph Kony]

The Joseph Kony troll account wants to take me seriously :lol

beep boop

:lol thinking that being a piece of shit welcher that had to abandon his main account and hide on his alt to circumvent his own self-imposed exile is somehow better. you're pathetic

[daboom1]

Answer the questions.

get em

[ChumpDumper]

get emI asked you a question, Chris.

Step up.

[Joseph Kony]

But way to not engage in actually proving your point :tu youre a worthless turd

[Nathan89]

Probably not much anymore. It's not like kids watch television news. I figure they consume much more social media.

Nope. News orgs can consider doing things like not mentioning names and shit like that, but the information will get out in other ways. The use of easily available firearms as an acceptable outlet for male grievance seems to be the bigger issue.

See how easy it is to directly answer questions?

For some reason you fail at it every time.

News coverage is online as well and it gets shared a lot. Also when we get rid of free speech we can make it illegal for regular people to cover it on social media.

Do you still not want to get rid of free speech to stop this? Why don't you want to stop these murders?

[Leetonidas]

Answer the questions.

The answers are no, incel

[Blake]

The same thing is true of ALL the cities with REALLY BAD gun homicide rates.

In 2019:

St Louis, 64.54 murders per 100k, last GOP Mayor left in 1949

Its the 9th most violent city in the world.

The murder rate in Baltimore is 58.27 per 100,000.

Its the 11th most violent city in the world...and has VERY strict gun laws.

This goes and and on down the list...check it for yourself.

I stopped looking for a Republican mayor after a while because it was all Dems forever.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/65/

Lol "mayor"

[ChumpDumper]

News coverage is online as well and it gets shared a lot. Also when we get rid of free speech we can make it illegal for regular people to cover it on social media.

Do you still not want to get rid of free speech to stop this? Why don't you want to stop these murders?The use of easily available firearms as an acceptable outlet for male grievance seems to be the bigger issue.

And what are you even mean by "free speech" and "get rid" of it?

Answer the question.

[Nathan89]

The use of easily available firearms as an acceptable outlet for male grievance seems to be the bigger issue.

And what are you even mean by free speech and ending it?

Answer the question.

So you don't want to take the necessary actions to prevent these events.

I mean getting rid of the first amendment and allowing the government to make it illegal to cover these events.

[Trill Clinton]

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[Trainwreck2100]

Other countries have hood shit too.

true, but hood shit here, usually has rules(no moms no kids), where as random these other random acts don't

[ElNono]

If stricter gun laws reduced gun violence rates, you'd expect jurisdictions with those laws to have lower rates of gun violence.

Instead, we find quite the opposite.

Fake news, per par. Studies posted just a few posts before.

[ChumpDumper]

So you don't want to take the necessary actions to prevent these events.I don't believe they are the necessary actions.


I mean getting rid of the first amendment and allowing the government to make it illegal to cover these events.No one here has even mentioned that.

You're really brave when you're shooting a straw man.

How many loaded guns do you carry at your masculine institution of work, Nathan? Answer the question.

[ElNono]

Qhrisbot just spamming pictures of graphs and abstract snippets with no verifiable source or links :lol dude probably doesn't even know what an abstract is

newsflash to the magatards: "strict gun laws" dont mean jackshit when there are no strict federal laws. if i can drive an hour to a neighboring state and legally buy a gun who the fuck cares if there are "strict gun laws" in an individual city

Actual studies with links were posted:


BTW, actual studies:

https://www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l542
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15388220.2021.2018332

They obviously are completely contrary to Qhrisbot fake news.