Another school shooting?

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTxRS5PWUAAYjlh?format=jpg&name=small

[Winehole23]

the police timeline has been written on water, tbh

endless backflipping to spin their failure and to try to revive their presige.

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[ElNono]

the police timeline has been written on water, tbh

endless backflipping to spin their failure and to try to revive their presige.

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https://i.insider.com/62910a82f099c4001956ad86?width=1300&format=jpeg&auto=webp

Those hats :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Isitjustme?]

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& the Uvalde Chief of Police? Colored.

[Blake]

the police timeline has been written on water, tbh

endless backflipping to spin their failure and to try to revive their presige.

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But they're wearing hats tho.

[boutons_deux]

Freedom of speech bad again as before

He's white so MLB and right wing hate me to you won't trash him

[boutons_deux]

From the same assholes who created qualified immunity,

they have also ruled that citizens are not entitled to protection from law enforcement.

That's now the fucking law of the land

[Blake]

He's white so MLB and right wing hate me to you won't trash him

I think they'll finger wag a bit

[DMC]

Megan Markle did, but she didn't bring an entourage or tell anyone who she was. She just volunteered.

Texas photographers got pictures, but few were aware of who she was until after she left.

ok

[DMC]

How would you know? Once upon a time was kind of ok at target shooting with a rifle. I think it's fun and have seldom turned down invitations. Not that that's relevant to anything

Schools wouldn't be such soft targets if it weren't so easy for randos to outgun the police.

Sure they would. The target's accessibility and inability to defend itself is what makes it a soft target. It has nothing to do with how easy it is to get firearms. When it takes the police an hour to respond, you really can only consider them a cleanup crew. This is something most personal defense advocates have stressed for eons. Kids cannot defend themselves so it's up to the system that takes custody of them to provide defense for them. We can spend billions of taxpayer dollars for sports venues but schools, especially in rural areas like that, are basically left on their own. Didn't matter 30 years ago. It matters now.

[DMC]

Attacking ANY party candidate that has been elected to serve his or her region for our government is a very severe action.
These elected people should and are protected closely.

All that had to happen in reality is a guy with orange make up needed to clearly stay stop this right now and gtfoh.
This is NOT what I want.

He did nothing of the sort and he was asked to very early on. He put police and rioters in a very dangerous situation.
So we come all the way back to Snake putting up a post of an ex president judging school shootings and enjoying riots that end up with people getting killed and hurt. Trump could have stopped this easily as he started it.

Trump is just the object of affection for the right wing nutjobs, a focal point for their hatred and fervor. They were like this before Trump and will be like this afterward. They would not have listened to him regardless, because they had an agenda before he took office (which is how he got there) and it won't change until someone draws a line. Both sides are afraid to draw that line except in rhetoric.

The nation was desensitized to destruction of property, burning and looting over the past few years. Don't expect sudden shifts in respectful behavior and decorum.

[DJR210]

Probably because leftists paint conservatives as evil for not implementing their solutions to a small number of murders while ignoring 10s of thousands of deaths.

So 19 kids is a small number of deaths? What 10's of thousands of deaths are you referring to? Abortion?

Because if so, I always thought God was a merciful god.. I thought you could repent your sins if you ask God.. I thought Jesus hung out with thieves and prostitutes and didn't pass judgement on them? If somebody sins and aborts a baby, they will face judgment on their day of reckoning, no? I don't understand why Christians are so worried if the next man/woman is going to hell for the choices they made on Earth..

[DMC]

But that's not just what you said, you also derived a conclusion from your own specious claim: "based on what I've read here, no one on the left understands guns well enough to get it done".

The only conclusion I can derive from that claim is that either didn't read what was written here or you have trouble understanding what you read.

Sanity vs ignorance, they are not synonyms. You can draw that conclusion but that doesn't mean I said it. I wouldn't call it insane. I would call it haughty and hubris for the most part, thinking you have the answers to things you probably freely admit you don't understand - guns and existing gun laws. It doesn't mean you don't have a legit gripe but the solutions that are being suggested are just slinging shit at the wall. This isn't a new issue, surely someone on the left has done some research.


How much about guns do you really need to know when discussing periodic mental health assessments? None.

Health assessments are fine, but what's the end game and how do you get there? Since you don't know who has a gun, how do you know who to mentally assess? This is where existing gun law comes into play. If you knew that a federal firearms registration database is illegal you'd have to refer to state level databases, and most states don't have those. You'd need 50 different versions of the mental health assessment plan and somewhere along the way you'd need a confiscation and reissue program.

Just throwing out "mental health assessment" ignores how you get there.


I think people here understands guns just fine. People here also understands that nobody needs to be a gun virtuoso to propose gun regulation.

I've seen ample evidence to the contrary. People here on the left don't know the difference between a clip and a magazine. They don't know how long it takes to rerack an AR. They don't understand "evil features" like thumbhole stocks and bayonet lugs, and how firearm manufacturers skirt those silly little non-issues. The left focuses on how the gun looks, they do not focus on how it operates. If they did they'd go for a ban on all semiauto weapons since they are, in effect, all the same. I keep seeing "military grade" and "military style" and indications that people here think ammo is different in the military than in the civilian world. I see "hunting rounds" and "armor piercing" and all this shit. It's just noise.

Sure, anyone can propose gun regulation. Making it effective is the trick.


Lastly, people here also understands that the 100 cats in Congress that regulate everything from saline waters to nuclear reactors are not experts of everything.

I'd venture a guess that plenty on the right know more about guns than plenty on the left, and when bills are drafted by the left, the right already knows the limpact (my word for not really effective) and where the loopholes exist for gun manufacturers. I mean, unless you think the NRA doesn't understand guns or gun laws.


Neither can you.

Which is why I provide statutes and explain how guns work to those "I've shot at a target as a kid" folks. The left would be wise to have someone on their side who cannot be hoodwinked due to ignorance of facts.


They do. And I know you're not this stupid, and have heard of something called the filibuster. But the point stands: conservative members of congress do value guns over life.

Sounds like the left is powerless to effect real change.


It's not a money problem, and we're not at war like Ukraine is, so those points are irrelevant.

Sure it's a money problem. Try just walking into a reputable private school in an affluent district with a long gun. See how well that works. Those kids were at war that day. Take care of your own before you start donating to foreign causes. That seems pretty obvious to me.


What's not irrelevant: when faced with the opportunity to do something about this, conservatives always choose the status quo.
Isn't that what you just used as an excuse, the filibuster? Doesn't that basically mean the left has given up since they cannot seem to find it in them to do away with it?

[DMC]

Uvalde LE trained for this two months ago.

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This is wrong. The officer reluctant to risk their life to save others shouldn't need to consider another career field. It should be forced upon them. These worthless fat fucks are check collecting tacticool faggots who shit themselves when a situation develops and they cannot simply rely on overwhelming force to hide behind.

[DMC]

https://i.insider.com/62910a82f099c4001956ad86?width=1300&format=jpeg&auto=webp

Those hats :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
probably Texas Rangers, it's uniform.

25.01 General Dress. Texas Ranger personnel representing the Department in their official capacity are required to dress in an appropriate manner. The appropriate clothing is deemed to be conservative western attire. Appropriate clothing other than western attire may be acceptable if such is of a conservative nature and blends with the expected western clothing. To be dressed appropriately, Rangers are required to wear a western hat, a dress shirt, a tie, a dress coat, appropriate pants, western belt, western boots, and the official Texas Ranger badge pinned above the left shirt pocket. An approved handgun should be worn in a waist holster at all times.

Clothing that is worn, torn, or faded is prohibited. All clothing will be clean, neat, and with a pressed appearance. The exceptions to this policy will be outlined below, as well as definitions to certain words and phrases. Field Majors shall be responsible for defining the terms in this section, considered too vague in description, in order to promote uniformity within their company or within the Ranger's assigned area. Certain special or non-routine occasions may arise in which the field Major may specify a specific dress for wear, within these guidelines, in order to promote uniformity within the Rangers on the specified occasion.

Fanny Packs or Waist Purses. Fanny packs or waist purses are prohibited.

Hats. Hats will be light-colored and shaped in a businessman's style. Styles commonly called the Rancher or Cattleman will be the only styles acceptable. Brims must not exceed 4 inches or be flat with edges rolled up. Hats excessively crushed, rolled, or dipped are not acceptable. Members of the Ranger Division will own both a quality straw and quality felt hat. Palm-leaf styled hats are prohibited. The appropriate hat will usually be determined by the weather or assignment. Both types of hats will be kept clean. Faded or worn-out hats are expressly prohibited.

Dress Shirts. Shirts are defined as solid colored shirts or small-striped shirts. Shirts bearing outlandish designs or loud colors are expressly prohibited. Denim, faded or worn-out shirts are expressly prohibited. All shirts will be clean, neat and with a starched appearance at all times while on duty.

Tie. Ties will be conservative. Ties for female Rangers will be optional or at the Major’s discretion.

Dress Coats. Dress coats include suit coats, sport jackets, and other types of wind breakers, jackets, and coats. All should be clean and pressed if appropriate (suit coats and sport jackets). Faded or excessively worn dress coats are expressly prohibited.

Appropriate Pants. Dress slacks and pants commonly known as "dress jeans" are acceptable, and must be of a solid color. Suits, whereby the coat and slacks are of the same design or style, may be worn. Dress jeans must be starched and pressed with a visible crease. Slacks or jeans that are faded, excessively worn or have frayed seams or cuffs are expressly prohibited.

Western Boots. Boots commonly known as western boots are required; however, exaggerated under slung heels are prohibited. The boot material and color shall be of a conservative and business approach. During general dress, lace-up boots are prohibited. Boots will be shined and in good repair.

Official Badge. There are two styles of official badges. One is the official-issued badge for the rank currently held by the Ranger. The other is an approved personalized badge that has all the official markings as the official-issue badge, except the Department of Public Safety is replaced with the Ranger's name.

Exceptions. From time to time Rangers will become involved in manhunts, crime scene searches, surveillance, and other such duties that make the appropriate dress impractical. In such circumstances, Rangers are expected to dress for the occasion, which may deviate from the appropriate dress. A dress coat and tie should be kept readily available in case a circumstance presents itself where the absence of such dress coat and/or tie would be inappropriate.

Special Circumstances. Court appearances, Governor's Security, Executive Security, Legislative appearances, or any other high exposure to public events requires specific appropriate dress, and requires a suit or sports coat and appropriate pants, such as dress slacks or suit. Dress jeans or “Wrangler” style jeans are expressly prohibited. Protective clothing (BDUs) will be worn for special tactical situations, tactical tracking, crime scenes, firearms training (the only exception regarding firearms training being when the Company Major determines that regular work attire will be worn, including soft body armor), and emergency/disaster related scenarios.

[Blake]

probably Texas Rangers, it's uniform.

25.01 General Dress. Texas Ranger personnel representing the Department in their official capacity are required to dress in an appropriate manner. The appropriate clothing is deemed to be conservative western attire. Appropriate clothing other than western attire may be acceptable if such is of a conservative nature and blends with the expected western clothing. To be dressed appropriately, Rangers are required to wear a western hat, a dress shirt, a tie, a dress coat, appropriate pants, western belt, western boots, and the official Texas Ranger badge pinned above the left shirt pocket. An approved handgun should be worn in a waist holster at all times.

Clothing that is worn, torn, or faded is prohibited. All clothing will be clean, neat, and with a pressed appearance. The exceptions to this policy will be outlined below, as well as definitions to certain words and phrases. Field Majors shall be responsible for defining the terms in this section, considered too vague in description, in order to promote uniformity within their company or within the Ranger's assigned area. Certain special or non-routine occasions may arise in which the field Major may specify a specific dress for wear, within these guidelines, in order to promote uniformity within the Rangers on the specified occasion.

Fanny Packs or Waist Purses. Fanny packs or waist purses are prohibited.

Hats. Hats will be light-colored and shaped in a businessman's style. Styles commonly called the Rancher or Cattleman will be the only styles acceptable. Brims must not exceed 4 inches or be flat with edges rolled up. Hats excessively crushed, rolled, or dipped are not acceptable. Members of the Ranger Division will own both a quality straw and quality felt hat. Palm-leaf styled hats are prohibited. The appropriate hat will usually be determined by the weather or assignment. Both types of hats will be kept clean. Faded or worn-out hats are expressly prohibited.

Dress Shirts. Shirts are defined as solid colored shirts or small-striped shirts. Shirts bearing outlandish designs or loud colors are expressly prohibited. Denim, faded or worn-out shirts are expressly prohibited. All shirts will be clean, neat and with a starched appearance at all times while on duty.

Tie. Ties will be conservative. Ties for female Rangers will be optional or at the Major’s discretion.

Dress Coats. Dress coats include suit coats, sport jackets, and other types of wind breakers, jackets, and coats. All should be clean and pressed if appropriate (suit coats and sport jackets). Faded or excessively worn dress coats are expressly prohibited.

Appropriate Pants. Dress slacks and pants commonly known as "dress jeans" are acceptable, and must be of a solid color. Suits, whereby the coat and slacks are of the same design or style, may be worn. Dress jeans must be starched and pressed with a visible crease. Slacks or jeans that are faded, excessively worn or have frayed seams or cuffs are expressly prohibited.

Western Boots. Boots commonly known as western boots are required; however, exaggerated under slung heels are prohibited. The boot material and color shall be of a conservative and business approach. During general dress, lace-up boots are prohibited. Boots will be shined and in good repair.

Official Badge. There are two styles of official badges. One is the official-issued badge for the rank currently held by the Ranger. The other is an approved personalized badge that has all the official markings as the official-issue badge, except the Department of Public Safety is replaced with the Ranger's name.

Exceptions. From time to time Rangers will become involved in manhunts, crime scene searches, surveillance, and other such duties that make the appropriate dress impractical. In such circumstances, Rangers are expected to dress for the occasion, which may deviate from the appropriate dress. A dress coat and tie should be kept readily available in case a circumstance presents itself where the absence of such dress coat and/or tie would be inappropriate.

Special Circumstances. Court appearances, Governor's Security, Executive Security, Legislative appearances, or any other high exposure to public events requires specific appropriate dress, and requires a suit or sports coat and appropriate pants, such as dress slacks or suit. Dress jeans or “Wrangler” style jeans are expressly prohibited. Protective clothing (BDUs) will be worn for special tactical situations, tactical tracking, crime scenes, firearms training (the only exception regarding firearms training being when the Company Major determines that regular work attire will be worn, including soft body armor), and emergency/disaster related scenarios.

https://www.dps.texas.gov/sites/default/files/import/pressReleases/2015/1218a/image1Lg.jpg

Dps

There's a ton of Texas law enforcement agencies that love the hat

[Nathan89]

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Leftist youtuber wants someone to bomb nra event. These deranged people exist and they vote their values. The 2nd amendment protects you from them.

[Nathan89]

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Leftist youtuber wants someone to bomb nra event. These deranged people exist and they vote their values. The 2nd amendment protects you from them.

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He quickly realized how deranged he is and walked his comment back.

[Blake]

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Leftist youtuber wants someone to bomb nra event. These deranged people exist and they vote their values. The 2nd amendment protects you from them.

How did the 2nd amendment protect the kids

[Blake]

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Lol Cruz trying so hard to sell his party gun line but just doesn't know the right comebacks

[pgardn]

Trump is just the object of affection for the right wing nutjobs, a focal point for their hatred and fervor. They were like this before Trump and will be like this afterward. They would not have listened to him regardless, because they had an agenda before he took office (which is how he got there) and it won't change until someone draws a line. Both sides are afraid to draw that line except in rhetoric.

The nation was desensitized to destruction of property, burning and looting over the past few years. Don't expect sudden shifts in respectful behavior and decorum.

THEY listened to him to begin with. They were fueled by him and then he lit the fuse.

wtf Have you completely forgotten. The election was STOLEN. Go to the Capitol and fight like hell.

And worse after:

“These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long,” he tweeted. “Go home with love & in peace. lol…Remember this day forever!”


You have completely missed this. And there is lots more.
But they won’t listen to him?
Because the country was already divided this was going to happen!?
He gave the fkn instructions!

[ChumpDumper]

Sure they would. The target's accessibility and inability to defend itself is what makes it a soft target. It has nothing to do with how easy it is to get firearms. When it takes the police an hour to respond, you really can only consider them a cleanup crew. This is something most personal defense advocates have stressed for eons. Kids cannot defend themselves so it's up to the system that takes custody of them to provide defense for them. We can spend billions of taxpayer dollars for sports venues but schools, especially in rural areas like that, are basically left on their own. Didn't matter 30 years ago. It matters now.

Why does it matter now?

News coverage or the guns used?

Or Facebook?

Or video games?

Or that rap music?

[pgardn]

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Lol Cruz trying so hard to sell his party gun line but just doesn't know the right comebacks

Such a peace shit.

Cruz did not use the excuse that the US could become like Cuba or Iran if citizens are not armed and only the government is.
I think he knew the reporters would blast him with another verbal salvo that might make him look bad 19 more times.

[Nathan89]

How did the 2nd amendment protect the kids

Adults aren't allowed to carry guns at school. They decided to depend on the police.

[ChumpDumper]

Adults aren't allowed to carry guns at school. They decided to depend on the police.

How many loaded guns do you carry at work, Nathan?

[pgardn]

FBI definitely needs to take over completely.
Local “authorities” are attempting and failing to get a real sequence of events.
This is also for the sake of some of these officers who knew this was a f_up and said so.
And the officers look like they are going to need protection from who knows what.

When we have the next school shooting we might not need parents bum rushing authorities and making things worse.

Texas… wow.

[ChumpDumper]

FBI definitely needs to take over completely.
Local “authorities” are attempting and failing to get a real sequence of events.
This is also for the sake of some of these officers who knew this was a f_up and said so.
And the officers look like they are going to need protection from who knows what.
Has anyone answered why the Border Patrol was called in for a school shooting? Doesn't seem like their jurisdiction at all.

[Thread]

FBI definitely needs to take over completely.
Local “authorities” are attempting and failing to get a real sequence of events.
This is also for the sake of some of these officers who knew this was a f_up and said so.
And the officers look like they are going to need protection from who knows what.

When we have the next school shooting we might not need parents bum rushing authorities and making things worse.

Texas… wow.

It's a shit hole. A 6 person police department for a town of 13k.

[Thread]

Has anyone answered why the Border Patrol was called in for a school shooting? Doesn't seem like their jurisdiction at all.

Because a number of Border Patrol agents lived in that area and their children attended that school.

[steak n eggs]

Has anyone answered why the Border Patrol was called in for a school shooting? Doesn't seem like their jurisdiction at all.

I am surprised DPS didn’t have a bigger role if Uvalde PD couldn’t handle it. I typically see an overwhelming amount of DPS officers near rural areas and towns similar to Uvalde. You’d think DPS would at least have the gear and some training to address these types of situations. It is weird that Border Patrol had to handle it.

[ChumpDumper]

I mean what was this cosplay troupe doing during the shooting?

https://video-images.vice.com/articles/628faed04f8f30009bb9a5c9/lede/1653584108900-untitled-1440-810-px4.png

[Winehole23]

Has anyone answered why the Border Patrol was called in for a school shooting? Doesn't seem like their jurisdiction at all.apparently they're frequently first responders in the 100 mile border zone. they have a checkpoint in Uvalde and employ ~150 people locally. I'd not be surprised if that's more than the Uvalde PD.


https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/border-patrol-uvalde-shooter/

[pgardn]

Has anyone answered why the Border Patrol was called in for a school shooting? Doesn't seem like their jurisdiction at all.

This stuff is changing rapidly and there are so many things to clear up.
FBI please..

[Winehole23]

Sure they would. The target's accessibility and inability to defend itself is what makes it a soft target. It has nothing to do with how easy it is to get firearms. When it takes the police an hour to respond, you really can only consider them a cleanup crew. This is something most personal defense advocates have stressed for eons. Kids cannot defend themselves so it's up to the system that takes custody of them to provide defense for them. We can spend billions of taxpayer dollars for sports venues but schools, especially in rural areas like that, are basically left on their own. Didn't matter 30 years ago. It matters now.ok, design schools better with better security. it's not like that hasn't been happening for awhile. that's one part of the puzzle. can you think of any others?

[Spurminator]

How many loaded guns do you carry at work, Nathan?

lol work

[Spurminator]

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[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTu-HsGWQAQdXFb?format=png&name=small

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[Dirks_Finale]

Is there any truth to the rumor that Uvalde PD got their own kids out of the school, but were tasing the distraught, onlooking parents who attempted to get their kids out?

[Blake]

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Fuck them

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1530235040063492099?t

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1530235040063492099?t

How has it cost more lives than it's saved

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1530235040063492099?t

Sure, arm the kids so they can take care of the threats themselves. Pull themselves up by the bootstraps as they cannot depend on adults.

[pgardn]

https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1530235040063492099?t

Look who the clueless retweets are from: Chris Christian and MTG (my damn eyes are merging at my nose)

[DMC]

ok, design schools better with better security. it's not like that hasn't been happening for awhile. that's one part of the puzzle. can you think of any others?

They didn't redesign all planes after 9-11, they retrofitted cockpit doors so a code was required to enter. They instituted rules of no standing or forming a line in the forward galley. When the pilot needs a piss break, the attendant stands guard in front when the cockpit door is open each time. In schools, the front doors are often unlocked, there's no load lock area where clearance happens before final entry to the school. There are no metal detectors, no one is standing guard, no canines and no reinforcements. There's nothing but glass and a hallway with a room full of children for a "my turn to go out in a blaze" dipshit to take advantage of. There's no egress routes that don't include passing through ingress routes. There's no backup plan.

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[Blake]

They didn't redesign all planes after 9-11, they retrofitted cockpit doors so a code was required to enter. They instituted rules of no standing or forming a line in the forward galley. When the pilot needs a piss break, the attendant stands guard in front when the cockpit door is open each time. In schools, the front doors are often unlocked, there's no load lock area where clearance happens before final entry to the school. There are no metal detectors, no one is standing guard, no canines and no reinforcements. There's nothing but glass and a hallway with a room full of children for a "my turn to go out in a blaze" dipshit to take advantage of. There's no egress routes that don't include passing through ingress routes. There's no backup plan.

Yeah, seems easier to pass stricter gun laws that to spend money on beefing up all the public schools

[pgardn]

They didn't redesign all planes after 9-11, they retrofitted cockpit doors so a code was required to enter. They instituted rules of no standing or forming a line in the forward galley. When the pilot needs a piss break, the attendant stands guard in front when the cockpit door is open each time. In schools, the front doors are often unlocked, there's no load lock area where clearance happens before final entry to the school. There are no metal detectors, no one is standing guard, no canines and no reinforcements. There's nothing but glass and a hallway with a room full of children for a "my turn to go out in a blaze" dipshit to take advantage of. There's no egress routes that don't include passing through ingress routes. There's no backup plan.

So how do you get to the plane in the first place?
Any one checking anything? Like upon entering the airport any type of security?
TSA schools would do I guess.

[MultiTroll]

apparently they're frequently first responders in the 100 mile border zone. they have a checkpoint in Uvalde and employ ~150 people locally. I'd not be surprised if that's more than the Uvalde PD.


https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/border-patrol-uvalde-shooter/
Thought I'd read also many of the BP had kids in Uvalde school.
When received word of assault high tailed it up there.

[DMC]

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He quickly realized how deranged he is and walked his comment back.

Espousing terrorism doesn't get him instantly investigated and removed from the platform?

[Blake]

Can go ahead and scrap the retarded Republican nra one door solution.


As people in Uvalde and across the country groped for solutions in response to the latest mass school shooting, Texas Republican officials pointed, again, to school doors.

“Have one door into and out of the school, and have ... armed police officers at that door,” U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz said on Fox News the day after a gunman killed 19 elementary school students and two teachers.

Texas’ lieutenant governor has echoed the idea of locking all but one door of a school. And Cruz and former President Donald Trump repeated the call for single-entry schools at the National Rifle Association convention in Houston on Friday.

“We also know that there are best practices at federal buildings and courthouses, where for security reasons they limit the means of entry to one entrance,” Cruz said at the convention. “Schools, likewise, should have a single point of entry. Fire exits should only open out. At that single point of entry, we should have multiple armed police officers. Or if need be, military veterans trained to provide security and keep our children safe.”

But limiting schools to one access point is not a proposal grounded in reality, according to several school and safety experts.

Many schools have thousands of children, teachers and staff who could take hours to funnel in and out of a single entrance every day. Even more use portable buildings or have multiple buildings, with children and staff often moving among them. Not to mention that renovations to older schools, which officials say typically have more exterior entrances, put a heavy burden on local taxpayers.......

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/28/uvalde-shooting-school-doors/

Anything from having to pass stricter gun laws. Anything.

[DMC]

So how do you get to the plane in the first place?
Any one checking anything? Like upon entering the airport any type of security?
TSA schools would do I guess.

No, you can freely walk into any airport. You cannot get to the gates and there's a massive presence of LEOs even prior to the security checkpoints. LaGuardia has over 1100 armed security officers.

[DMC]

Yeah, seems easier to pass stricter gun laws that to spend money on beefing up all the public schools

Spending money is easier than getting bills to pass through a bipartisan gauntlet. Otherwise, fine. Dems have the con. Get ta steppin' with those laws.

[DMC]

Can go ahead and scrap the retarded Republican nra one door solution.



Anything from having to pass stricter gun laws. Anything.

Do you think there's going to be a resolution to force congress to vote a certain way?

[Blake]

Show me how easy it is.

People propose a bill, one that say prohibits an 18 year old from getting an AR 15. People pass the bill. It becomes law. It's been done in other states.

Now show your plans for beefing up the schools and be sure to include cost estimates. Go.

[Blake]

Do you think there's going to be a resolution to force congress to vote a certain way?

What does this retarded question even mean?

[Blake]

The fact that the gunman responsible for this week’s massacre in Uvalde was able to buy two AR-15s days after his 18th birthday highlights how much easier it is for Americans to purchase rifles than handguns.

Under federal law, Americans buying handguns from licensed dealers must be at least 21, which would have precluded the gunman from buying that type of weapon. That trumps Texas law, which only requires buyers of any type of firearm to be 18 or older.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/26/gun-buying-age-texas-handguns-rifles-uvalde/

It's too hard to change that law! Let's funnel thousands of kids through one door every morning instead! Easier!

[DMC]

What does this retarded question even mean?

It means put on sunscreen instead of insisting the sun not be so harmful you pathetic excuse for a man. Your solution is that the world change. My suggestion is that you adapt to survive.

[Blake]

Spending money is easier than getting bills to pass through a bipartisan gauntlet. Otherwise, fine. Dems have the con. Get ta steppin' with those laws.

You're an idiot

[DMC]

You're an idiot

There you go, back to your silly one liner lashing out responses. Any time you try to step off the coattail of another poster you get exposed and are forced to retreat to safe grounds. Right now you're hoping someone comes along and saves you.

[Blake]

It means put on sunscreen instead of insisting the sun not be so harmful you pathetic excuse for a man. Your solution is that the world change. My suggestion is that you adapt to survive.

Lay out your plans for applying sunscreen to the schools.

[Blake]

There you go, back to your silly one liner lashing out responses. Any time you try to step off the coattail of another poster you get exposed and are forced to retreat to safe grounds. Right now you're hoping someone comes along and saves you.

You're parroting the same line about the Dems being in control. You're an idiot.

[DMC]

Lay out your plans for applying sunscreen to the schools.

Sure, and you lay out your plans for getting a meaningful gun control bill through congress.

1. Armed security at each school.
2. Locked doors with entry clearance required.
3. Doors must be reinforced and any glass must be bullet proof.
4. Schools must be fenced and gated with clearance needed to enter the non school bus gates.
5. Metal detectors and scanners for backpacks
6. Routine checks by patrols even when schools have onsite armed security
7. Classroom doors can only open from the inside sans key
8. Blocking the door with an object causes the door alarm to sound, similar to airport restricted entry doors.
9. Regular canine patrol to detect any explosive devices

All this can be done at the state level without need to have congress authorize it.

[Blake]

Sure, and you lay out your plans for getting a meaningful gun control bill through congress.

1. Armed security at each school.
2. Locked doors with entry clearance required.
3. Doors must be reinforced and any glass must be bullet proof.
4. Schools must be fenced and gated with clearance needed to enter the non school bus gates.
5. Metal detectors and scanners for backpacks
6. Routine checks by patrols even when schools have onsite armed security
7. Classroom doors can only open from the inside sans key
8. Blocking the door with an object causes the door alarm to sound, similar to airport restricted entry doors.
9. Regular canine patrol to detect any explosive devices

All this can be done at the state level without need to have congress authorize it.

Rofl DMC thinks it's easier to install bullet proof glass in all schools in all classrooms than to pass stricter gun laws.

Sad thing is all the crazy alt right crew will agree.

[Spurminator]

Sure, and you lay out your plans for getting a meaningful gun control bill through congress.


"It's on you to determine gun control legislation that won't get voted down, as it always does, by the people I vote for."

:lol Okay

[DMC]

Rofl DMC thinks it's easier to install bullet proof glass in all schools in all classrooms than to pass stricter gun laws.

Sad thing is all the crazy alt right crew will agree.

You've had how many years to pass stricter gun control laws? The term "easier" is a misnomer. If you mean physical effort, sure. But since you cannot get these bills to pass then it must not be easy. Else you're saying your party is so incompetent that they cannot complete an easy task. It's easier to spend money than to get people to go along with your idea of removing their rights. I mean, the GOP started building a wall between the desert and a river and were working on Spaceforce. You cannot even get a bill to pass after kindergartners are killed. You're useless.

[DMC]

"It's on you to determine gun control legislation that won't get voted down, as it always does, by the people I vote for."

:lol Okay

Point fingers and declare failure. That always works for the left. "yeah we failed but it wasn't us, it was THEM. Bury your kids knowing we tried" -dems

[Thread]

Anything from having to pass stricter gun laws. Anything.

Blake

[Thread]

Point fingers and declare failure. That always works for the left. "yeah we failed but it wasn't us, it was THEM. Bury your kids knowing we tried" -dems

D M C

[Blake]

You've had how many years to pass stricter gun control laws? The term "easier" is a misnomer. If you mean physical effort, sure. But since you cannot get these bills to pass then it must not be easy. Else you're saying your party is so incompetent that they cannot complete an easy task. It's easier to spend money than to get people to go along with your idea of removing their rights. I mean, the GOP started building a wall between the desert and a river and were working on Spaceforce. You cannot even get a bill to pass after kindergartners are killed. You're useless.

The Republicans in Texas can't protect school kids. They're worthless.

You're proposing bullet proof glass as if nobody has thought of that before in all these years of school shootings. You're a useless moron.

[Blake]

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2022/05/1470/828/Untitled-design-216.png?ve=1&tl=1


I'd like to know exactly what was taught

[daboom1]

Espousing terrorism doesn't get him instantly investigated and removed from the platform?

It's different when they do it. They are the good guys so it's justified yeah?

[daboom1]

There you go, back to your silly one liner lashing out responses. Any time you try to step off the coattail of another poster you get exposed and are forced to retreat to safe grounds. Right now you're hoping someone comes along and saves you.

yup

[Blake]

Lol DMC monologuing

[Winehole23]

A gun law prevented him from getting an AR-15 until he was 18. Shortly thereafter, he financed one online.

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[DMC]

Lay out your plans for applying sunscreen to the schools.


Lol DMC monologuing

You don't know whether to shit or go blind. You really are a desperate little man.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure, and you lay out your plans for getting a meaningful gun control bill through congress.

1. Armed security at each school.
2. Locked doors with entry clearance required.
3. Doors must be reinforced and any glass must be bullet proof.
4. Schools must be fenced and gated with clearance needed to enter the non school bus gates.
5. Metal detectors and scanners for backpacks
6. Routine checks by patrols even when schools have onsite armed security
7. Classroom doors can only open from the inside sans key
8. Blocking the door with an object causes the door alarm to sound, similar to airport restricted entry doors.
9. Regular canine patrol to detect any explosive devices

All this can be done at the state level without need to have congress authorize it.

Show your budget for doing this in every school in the country.

[DMC]

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2022/05/1470/828/Untitled-design-216.png?ve=1&tl=1


I'd like to know exactly what was taught

Wasn't about semen detection in your own home.

[Blake]

You don't know whether to shit or go blind. You really are a desperate little man.

Still waiting for your budget proposal for the bullet proof windows. I don't have to give you anything else but one liners until then.

[Blake]

Wasn't about semen detection in your own home.

Is this you not shitting or not going blind? Totally not a desperation one liner.

[ChumpDumper]

Where's the budget for subterranean playground bunkers?

Armored school buses?

[Blake]

A gun law prevented him from getting an AR-15 until he was 18. Shortly thereafter, he financed one online.

1530626597904076801

No no that's way harder than just installing bullet proof windows everywhere, metal detectors and canine patrols on every school campus everywhere.

[DMC]

Is this you not shitting or not going blind? Totally not a desperation one liner.

Something you can relate to. You wouldn't understand the terminology if these exercises were explained to you. Might as well explain fusion to a 3 year old.

[DMC]

No no that's way harder than just installing bullet proof windows everywhere, metal detectors and canine patrols on every school campus everywhere.

So pass the law. Prove how easy it is. You probably lock your car, lock your house and maybe you even have a security system. Why? Aren't there laws to prevent people from illegally entering your home or your car?

[Blake]

Something you can relate to. You wouldn't understand the terminology if these exercises were explained to you. Might as well explain fusion to a 3 year old.

DMC totally shitting now

[ChumpDumper]

So pass the law. Prove how easy it is.

Post your budget. Prove how cheap it will be.

[Blake]

So pass the law. Prove how easy it is.

So put bullet proof glass in all the schools then. Go.

[DMC]

DMC totally shitting on me now

fify

[Blake]

Post your budget. Prove how cheap it will be.

He's shitting himself now.

[DMC]

So put bullet proof glass in all the schools then. Go.

resistant glass to school plans
By: Tribune Media WirePosted at 7:21 PM, Aug 29, 2019 and last updated 6:21 PM, Aug 29, 2019
PLAINS TOWNSHIP, Pa. -- With school shootings happening more and more frequently, one district in Pennsylvania is adding another measure of security to a new school still under construction.

"We as taxpayers, parents, school districts, school boards, have a very huge responsibility to protect our kids and it is unfortunate, but it is necessary, and we will do what we have to do to make them safe," said Shawn Walker, Vice President of the Wilkes-Barre Area School Board.

A vote at Wilkes-Barre Area's school board meeting approved the measure to add bullet-resistant glass along the Plains Township building's perimeter. Walker said the nearly $450,000 upgrade comes from money already borrowed for the project and is a needed addition.

"Unfortunately, this – school shootings, and active shootings, shooters – (is) something we have to contend with and deal with, and this is a measure we can take to try to make those kids as safe as possible," said Walker.

https://www.wtkr.com/2019/08/29/pennsylvania-school-district-adds-bullet-resistant-glass-to-school-plans/


Now show me on gun law the left has passed in the past two years.

[DMC]

https://i.imgur.com/ETKdZxU.jpg

Welp, they are fucked now. Probably shut down.

[monosylab1k]

1530322212309200896

[DMC]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XlLR6hiCxjM/hqdefault.jpg

Trump is a piece of shit but aren't they all?

[ChumpDumper]

DMC wants $45 billion of socialist windows.

To say nothing of his other security demands.

[Ef-man]

DMC wants $45 billion of socialist windows.

To say nothing of his other security demands.

More social entitlement programs, when will it end.

First the public schools, then the private schools security vouchers, then the public universities, etc., etc.

[pgardn]

No, you can freely walk into any airport. You cannot get to the gates and there's a massive presence of LEOs even prior to the security checkpoints. LaGuardia has over 1100 armed security officers.

Yes.

And your example was ON AN AIRPLANE.
You have to get there, yes? To the airplane. Have you heard of TSA.?

You can stop now. Or keep going.
Again a faulty tower of an example.

You clearly think you can pull this bullshit freely on a constant basis.
Just say you were dead wrong. You can do it.
Im not writing to the rest of the board I am writing to YOU. You know your example was bullshit.

[ElNono]

Sanity vs ignorance, they are not synonyms. You can draw that conclusion but that doesn't mean I said it. I wouldn't call it insane. I would call it haughty and hubris for the most part, thinking you have the answers to things you probably freely admit you don't understand - guns and existing gun laws. It doesn't mean you don't have a legit gripe but the solutions that are being suggested are just slinging shit at the wall. This isn't a new issue, surely someone on the left has done some research.

I called them sane, I didn't claim or insinuate you called them insane (talking about putting words in somebody else's mouth).

Sane implies some amount of rationality and/or knowledge going into them. Trying to cajole this solely into a weapons-knowledge problem is misguided as well, this is a multi-pronged problem, and will need a multi-pronged solution.


Health assessments are fine, but what's the end game and how do you get there? Since you don't know who has a gun, how do you know who to mentally assess? This is where existing gun law comes into play. If you knew that a federal firearms registration database is illegal you'd have to refer to state level databases, and most states don't have those. You'd need 50 different versions of the mental health assessment plan and somewhere along the way you'd need a confiscation and reissue program.

Just throwing out "mental health assessment" ignores how you get there.


This is like saying this can't be done because "how do you know who owns a car"? Cars are also sold for cash, and a minority of people drive without a license, registration or insurance. The reason the vast majority does not break the law is because they're not criminals, and have no problem being law abiding citizens. That's how you get there.

Enforcement looks exactly the same: police and if you catch them with a weapon with an expired license, or without proof of insurance, or proof of mental health examination, you confiscate the weapon/fine/jail, etc.


I've seen ample evidence to the contrary. People here on the left don't know the difference between a clip and a magazine. They don't know how long it takes to rerack an AR. They don't understand "evil features" like thumbhole stocks and bayonet lugs, and how firearm manufacturers skirt those silly little non-issues. The left focuses on how the gun looks, they do not focus on how it operates. If they did they'd go for a ban on all semiauto weapons since they are, in effect, all the same. I keep seeing "military grade" and "military style" and indications that people here think ammo is different in the military than in the civilian world. I see "hunting rounds" and "armor piercing" and all this shit. It's just noise.

Because all those technicalities (which is exactly what they are) are used as a crutch to do nothing. Does it really matter if it's a clip or a magazine if the regulated limit is 10 bullets? That conversation is a distraction and pointless.


Sure, anyone can propose gun regulation. Making it effective is the trick.

How about getting started with some, then see what works and doesn't, and refine it? If you never start, you'll never get there. It's not like you only have one chance to regulate or get it 100% right.


I'd venture a guess that plenty on the right know more about guns than plenty on the left, and when bills are drafted by the left, the right already knows the limpact (my word for not really effective) and where the loopholes exist for gun manufacturers. I mean, unless you think the NRA doesn't understand guns or gun laws.

I'd venture that plenty on the right care more about a NRA endorsement hitting all the pro-gun one-liners than they know or care about actual guns. This boils down to campaign money and cred, nothing else.


Which is why I provide statutes and explain how guns work to those "I've shot at a target as a kid" folks. The left would be wise to have someone on their side who cannot be hoodwinked due to ignorance of facts.

I brought up the fact, and it is a fact, that this is largely a US-specific problem. Maybe it's time we start looking at what other countries are doing right about this, but we probably won't, because it almost invariably involves some form of gun regulation.

The status quo hasn't worked and isn't working. As far as statutes, we had an Assault Rifle ban not that long ago, and passed all constitutional muster back in the day. We can discuss whether it was effective or not, and we certainly gave up on it, but as far as legality goes, that wasn't a problem.


Sounds like the left is powerless to effect real change.

I think they are, especially in this area, where I don't think an executive order would be effective. It's rather puzzling as well, you would think there would be some amount of bi-partisan support to save american lives from these oft-occurring murders.

I guess, some people put an NRA endorsement over the life of children. I frankly find that despicable, but everybody is entitled to their opinion, decisions and have to live with them.


Sure it's a money problem. Try just walking into a reputable private school in an affluent district with a long gun. See how well that works. Those kids were at war that day. Take care of your own before you start donating to foreign causes. That seems pretty obvious to me.

When shit like this happens all over the country, including Las Vegas, San Diego, etc, this isn't a social class problem. The government has zero money problems to fund programs.

No, the kids were in an active shooter situation. There were no bombs over their heads (we regulate those, BTW), there were no tanks on the street, there were no mortar shells laying siege to the city, etc. Completely different scenario.


Isn't that what you just used as an excuse, the filibuster? Doesn't that basically mean the left has given up since they cannot seem to find it in them to do away with it?

You have it backwards. "The left" did as much as the law allows them to do, bring up a bill to a vote on the floor. It was "the right" at that very moment that gave up trying to find a solution to this by voting it down.

[pgardn]

They didn't redesign all planes after 9-11, they retrofitted cockpit doors so a code was required to enter. They instituted rules of no standing or forming a line in the forward galley. When the pilot needs a piss break, the attendant stands guard in front when the cockpit door is open each time. In schools, the front doors are often unlocked, there's no load lock area where clearance happens before final entry to the school. There are no metal detectors, no one is standing guard, no canines and no reinforcements. There's nothing but glass and a hallway with a room full of children for a "my turn to go out in a blaze" dipshit to take advantage of. There's no egress routes that don't include passing through ingress routes. There's no backup plan.

Read again old man and think.

[pgardn]

The rest of the red team stands by while DMC is mowed down.
Sounds familiar to the events in Uvalde.

For the board.

[daboom1]

1530322212309200896

:tu

[pgardn]

:tu

Bunch of wetbacks got mowed down.
Christian Chris showing his deep beliefs.

[Blake]

resistant glass to school plans
By: Tribune Media WirePosted at 7:21 PM, Aug 29, 2019 and last updated 6:21 PM, Aug 29, 2019
PLAINS TOWNSHIP, Pa. -- With school shootings happening more and more frequently, one district in Pennsylvania is adding another measure of security to a new school still under construction.

"We as taxpayers, parents, school districts, school boards, have a very huge responsibility to protect our kids and it is unfortunate, but it is necessary, and we will do what we have to do to make them safe," said Shawn Walker, Vice President of the Wilkes-Barre Area School Board.

A vote at Wilkes-Barre Area's school board meeting approved the measure to add bullet-resistant glass along the Plains Township building's perimeter. Walker said the nearly $450,000 upgrade comes from money already borrowed for the project and is a needed addition.

"Unfortunately, this – school shootings, and active shootings, shooters – (is) something we have to contend with and deal with, and this is a measure we can take to try to make those kids as safe as possible," said Walker.

https://www.wtkr.com/2019/08/29/pennsylvania-school-district-adds-bullet-resistant-glass-to-school-plans/


Now show me on gun law the left has passed in the past two years.

Oh good you have a small town school in Pennsylvania covered on the outside. Still not a complete DMC line by line overhaul but ok, only 98000+ schools to go. Chop chop.

[Blake]

You have it backwards. "The left" did as much as the law allows them to do, bring up a bill to a vote on the floor. It was "the right" at that very moment that gave up trying to find a solution to this by voting it down.

How many times has this been told to DMC in the last few days? At least four I think.

[Blake]

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2022/05/27/USAT/a23b4987-2652-40b4-928b-63e09daeeb5b-AP_Texas_School_Shooting_NRA.jpg?width=660&height=441&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/state/2022/05/27/nra-convention-speakers-donald-trump-ted-cruz-greg-abbott-shrug-gun-restrictions-uvalde-shooting/9963190002/

[Blake]

Daniel Defense is not attending the National Rifle Association meeting due to the horrifying tragedy in Uvalde, Texas, where one of our products was criminally misused," Steve Reed, vice president of marketing, said in an email. "We believe this week is not the appropriate time to be promoting our products in Texas at the NRA meeting."
......

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/daniel-defense-uvalde-salvador-ramos-nra-cancelation/#app

If they feel guilty to the point of pulling out of the convention then what are we doing?

Same goes for all the politicians that cancelled.

Lol chicken shit Abbott doing a zoom

[DMC]

Yes.

And your example was ON AN AIRPLANE.
You have to get there, yes? To the airplane. Have you heard of TSA.?

You can stop now. Or keep going.
Again a faulty tower of an example.

You clearly think you can pull this bullshit freely on a constant basis.
Just say you were dead wrong. You can do it.
Im not writing to the rest of the board I am writing to YOU. You know your example was bullshit.

You asked me. I didn't ring you up, asshole. You asked if you can walk into an airport freely. Sure you can. I know about TSA, that's my fucking point, dipshit, it's acceptable to screen people before allowing them on a plane but having that level security in a school is over the top.

[Blake]

You asked me. I didn't ring you up, asshole. You asked if you can walk into an airport freely. Sure you can. I know about TSA, that's my fucking point, dipshit, it's acceptable to screen people before allowing them on a plane but having that level security in a school is over the top.

Because screening people for a plane ride is exactly the same as screening kids to enter a school building in the morning

[DMC]

I called them sane, I didn't claim or insinuate you called them insane (talking about putting words in somebody else's mouth).

Sane implies some amount of rationality and/or knowledge going into them. Trying to cajole this solely into a weapons-knowledge problem is misguided as well, this is a multi-pronged problem, and will need a multi-pronged solution.

OK, I just thought the "false" of what I said wasn't "sane".

It's not a single prong issue, but for the gun control prong, knowledge of what you want to legislate (because words matter) is important.


This is like saying this can't be done because "how do you know who owns a car"? Cars are also sold for cash, and a minority of people drive without a license, registration or insurance. The reason the vast majority does not break the law is because they're not criminals, and have no problem being law abiding citizens. That's how you get there.

Enforcement looks exactly the same: police and if you catch them with a weapon with an expired license, or without proof of insurance, or proof of mental health examination, you confiscate the weapon/fine/jail, etc.

It's nothing like that. Cars have to registered to drive legally. There's a license plate on a car. The reason the vast majority doesn't break the law with cars is because it's readily visible to officers patrolling the streets. It's not breaking the law to have an unregistered firearm, and with 400m firearms in circulation and very few of them registered (and none in a federal registry outside of NFA weapons), there's no way to corral those lose firearms and link them with their owners. It's just not possible. It's not about breaking the law, it's about having the ability to prove it. No one can possibly know what firearms I own other than me, because I could buy from a private seller sans registration or any paperwork, and could have done so as far in the past as probably history goes in the US. How do you propose those guns get linked with their current owners outside of forced entry and search and seizure? "Turn in your guns"? Ok, how do you enforce that?

Your suggestion is a non starter as if violates many constitutional rights.


Because all those technicalities (which is exactly what they are) are used as a crutch to do nothing. Does it really matter if it's a clip or a magazine if the regulated limit is 10 bullets? That conversation is a distraction and pointless.

Yes it matters, because if the law says "clip" but you have a "magazine" then clips are already extremely limited by design. Magazines will not be covered. The verbiage has to specify magazines. Otherwise when assault weapons get banned, there's simply no way to know what an assault weapon is, so they can ban nothing or everything. It has to be defined ad nauseum and then that which is defined can be regulated. The broad brush attack fails at inception due to rights violations.


How about getting started with some, then see what works and doesn't, and refine it? If you never start, you'll never get there. It's not like you only have one chance to regulate or get it 100% right.
Because they simply won't make it that far without weaving around rights violations. The left knows this already.


I'd venture that plenty on the right care more about a NRA endorsement hitting all the pro-gun one-liners than they know or care about actual guns. This boils down to campaign money and cred, nothing else.

For the wealthy who rely on gun sales, perhaps. Others just want to be left alone. Plenty though, you're probably right. It also boils down to "ha ha you lost".


I brought up the fact, and it is a fact, that this is largely a US-specific problem. Maybe it's time we start looking at what other countries are doing right about this, but we probably won't, because it almost invariably involves some form of gun regulation.

We've been looking at it for decades.


The status quo hasn't worked and isn't working. As far as statutes, we had an Assault Rifle ban not that long ago, and passed all constitutional muster back in the day. We can discuss whether it was effective or not, and we certainly gave up on it, but as far as legality goes, that wasn't a problem.

No, we had an assault weapons ban. Yes that matters. Do you think assault weapons were no longer sold during that time? Technically you'd be right, but actually the same platform just got some cosmetic changes.

“After the 1994 federal assault weapon ban was enacted, gun manufacturers quickly introduced minor variations on the specific firearm products named in the ban, thereby apparently skirting the ‘copies and duplicates’ restriction,” Wilbur and Balakrishna write. “AR-style rifles today are extremely popular—an estimated 1 to 2 million AR-style rifles were manufactured in 2016 with up to 15 million in circulation.” - Wilbur and Balakrishna

https://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/pressrelease/many-firearm-sellers-and-buyers-do-not-comply-with-assault-weapons-bans




I think they are, especially in this area, where I don't think an executive order would be effective. It's rather puzzling as well, you would think there would be some amount of bi-partisan support to save american lives from these oft-occurring murders.

I guess, some people put an NRA endorsement over the life of children. I frankly find that despicable, but everybody is entitled to their opinion, decisions and have to live with them.
You might consider "save American lives" to mean "enact laws we think will save American lives". There's where the disagreement happens.
Where the left thinks removing things they don't use anyhow is the answer, the right thinks the answer lies in not being a soft target. The truth is somewhere between all that. You can bet though that if the left was tasked with giving up their right to free speech they'd riot, and you could easily show that broadcasting ad nauseum the stats and facts of every mass shooter so others out there can worship and copycat them is as big a problem as exists. The same kind of excuses permeate the discussions, only this time from the left. "The person wasn't right in the head, should have been denied a gun, guns shouldn't exist in the 1st place" excuses. Never mind that almost every one of these idiots tells people what they are going to do ahead of time, and many have a "manifesto" that people cannot wait to read. If dude live streamed it many here would have watched it only to say they regret doing so, BUT IT'S MY RIGHT!


When shit like this happens all over the country, including Las Vegas, San Diego, etc, this isn't a social class problem. The government has zero money problems to fund programs.

Cool, tell that to Blake and the coattail he rides. They seem to think we cannot afford securing our children.


No, the kids were in an active shooter situation. There were no bombs over their heads (we regulate those, BTW), there were no tanks on the street, there were no mortar shells laying siege to the city, etc. Completely different scenario.
Result is the same. All they were lacking is the ability to fight back. Nothing you mentioned is required to have a war.


You have it backwards. "The left" did as much as the law allows them to do, bring up a bill to a vote on the floor. It was "the right" at that very moment that gave up trying to find a solution to this by voting it down.
The left does the same shit they always do. They propose a bill, then they all argue over definitions and it stalls, they go to break and ignore it until some national tragedy happens at which point they say "we're really busy working to solve these issues" at which time they drag the bill out and pretend to give it another go. It's not about what they do within the law. Hell, they make the law.

[Blake]

Cool, tell that to Blake and the coattail he rides. They seem to think we cannot afford securing our children.

So if we can afford it and every NRA Republicans is calling for it then what's the hold up? Where are all the bullet proof windows? It's easy!

[DMC]

So if we can afford it and every NRA Republicans is calling for it then what's the hold up? Where are all the bullet proof windows? It's easy!

You made this up, per the usual.

[daboom1]

Hundreds of millions of tax dollars go to Planned Parenthood...Just redirect those funds to schools instead of the DNC.

[ElNono]

OK, I just thought the "false" of what I said wasn't "sane".
It's not a single prong issue, but for the gun control prong, knowledge of what you want to legislate (because words matter) is important.

But that's exactly the point. Words matter when you have something to legislate. When you're dead set against legislating in the first place, the talk about knowledge or words is meaningless, just a distraction.


It's nothing like that. Cars have to registered to drive legally. There's a license plate on a car. The reason the vast majority doesn't break the law with cars is because it's readily visible to officers patrolling the streets. It's not breaking the law to have an unregistered firearm, and with 400m firearms in circulation and very few of them registered (and none in a federal registry outside of NFA weapons), there's no way to corral those lose firearms and link them with their owners. It's just not possible. It's not about breaking the law, it's about having the ability to prove it. No one can possibly know what firearms I own other than me, because I could buy from a private seller sans registration or any paperwork, and could have done so as far in the past as probably history goes in the US. How do you propose those guns get linked with their current owners outside of forced entry and search and seizure? "Turn in your guns"? Ok, how do you enforce that?

Of course it is like that. A license plate scan is not going to tell the cop if your car insurance is up to date, for example, yet most people do have their insurance up to date because they don't want to lose the privilege of driving.

Every weapon has a serial number specifically for tracking purposes. If part of the regulation that needs to happen is progressively add every weapon into the NFA registry, then that's what needs to happen. The NFA also already makes it a felony to buy or posses weapons with that number removed. That would indeed make every person who owns or wants to transport, buy or sell a gun to be liable if not registered. We don't need to go back and register older guns (though I don't see a problem with that, if, for example, you want to transport those weapons). It's something that will happen over time for people that legally own guns.

As far as enforcement, nobody is saying you have to break or enter anywhere. You get pulled over and an unregistered gun is found in your vehicle, then it gets confiscated, and proceeds just like what happens with enforcing any illegal act. Same thing if it's found during a security check in the airport, or a frisk on an event, etc.


Your suggestion is a non starter as if violates many constitutional rights.

Please enumerate which constitutional rights are violated here. I can think of zero so far.


Yes it matters, because if the law says "clip" but you have a "magazine" then clips are already extremely limited by design. Magazines will not be covered. The verbiage has to specify magazines. Otherwise when assault weapons get banned, there's simply no way to know what an assault weapon is, so they can ban nothing or everything. It has to be defined ad nauseum and then that which is defined can be regulated. The broad brush attack fails at inception due to rights violations.

We need to get to a draft of a law for this to even become moderately relevant, until then this is all irrelevant chatter.
If we were to take an example, the NFA doesn't appear to be confusing as you claim, so we have an example there where actual gun regulation is pretty clear on what it targets and means.


Because they simply won't make it that far without weaving around rights violations. The left knows this already.

Based on what? Again, we have and had in the past firearm regulation that is/was perfectly legal. If there's one thing about Heller is that the SCOTUS itself admitted the 2nd Amendment is not beyond regulation, as long as it's done in a way that doesn't outright deny citizens with the possession of firearms.

Will anything that passes be challenged in court? I expect nothing less. That's not an excuse to do nothing.


For the wealthy who rely on gun sales, perhaps. Others just want to be left alone. Plenty though, you're probably right. It also boils down to "ha ha you lost".

We've been looking at it for decades.

"Want to be left alone" is not a solution to this problem. Sorry. We tried that, for decades, as you mention, and we're always back in the same place. That hasn't worked. It's never late to try something else.


No, we had an assault weapons ban. Yes that matters. Do you think assault weapons were no longer sold during that time? Technically you'd be right, but actually the same platform just got some cosmetic changes.

“After the 1994 federal assault weapon ban was enacted, gun manufacturers quickly introduced minor variations on the specific firearm products named in the ban, thereby apparently skirting the ‘copies and duplicates’ restriction,” Wilbur and Balakrishna write. “AR-style rifles today are extremely popular—an estimated 1 to 2 million AR-style rifles were manufactured in 2016 with up to 15 million in circulation.” - Wilbur and Balakrishna

https://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/pressrelease/many-firearm-sellers-and-buyers-do-not-comply-with-assault-weapons-bans

This happens with every regulation. It's a cat and mouse game, and most of the time new regulations are needed and enacted to close those loopholes. Happened with Obamacare as well, and almost every regulation out there.

Again, this can't be used as an excuse to do nothing. It's very likely that if a regulation even comes to pass, it will be far from perfect, and will need updates. This is pretty common in every realm.


You might consider "save American lives" to mean "enact laws we think will save American lives". There's where the disagreement happens.
Where the left thinks removing things they don't use anyhow is the answer, the right thinks the answer lies in not being a soft target. The truth is somewhere between all that. You can bet though that if the left was tasked with giving up their right to free speech they'd riot, and you could easily show that broadcasting ad nauseum the stats and facts of every mass shooter so others out there can worship and copycat them is as big a problem as exists. The same kind of excuses permeate the discussions, only this time from the left. "The person wasn't right in the head, should have been denied a gun, guns shouldn't exist in the 1st place" excuses. Never mind that almost every one of these idiots tells people what they are going to do ahead of time, and many have a "manifesto" that people cannot wait to read. If dude live streamed it many here would have watched it only to say they regret doing so, BUT IT'S MY RIGHT!

I've yet to see a single draft or proposal that outright bans the possession of guns from common citizens (from "the left" or anywhere else). I personally wouldn't be onboard with that. IMO, this is another ridiculous boogeyman that doesn't exist, that's used as a crutch to do nothing. It's the whole slippery-slope thing.

The rest, whether he livestreamed, or wrote a manifesto, or used to be a Bernie supporter, or had a pedicure before murdering people... distractions to talk about something else instead of the problem at hand.


Cool, tell that to Blake and the coattail he rides. They seem to think we cannot afford securing our children.

Hey Blake, it's not a money problem, it's a policy and stupid dogma problem.


Result is the same. All they were lacking is the ability to fight back. Nothing you mentioned is required to have a war.

lol no it isn't. They live in a society that's supposed to protect them, because they don't have the mental capacity, much less the training to "fight back" against a dude shooting up with two AR-15s.
With children specifically it's all about prevention, not reaction. And prevention doesn't mean 100% success rate, because that's utopic, but at least reducing the damage as much as possible.

What I mentioned is the type of thing people in Ukraine, which is the actual warzone you brought up, have to deal with every day. But this highlights that it was a terrible example. Nobody in their right mind thinks Uvalde, TX is or was any kind of warzone.


The left does the same shit they always do. They propose a bill, then they all argue over definitions and it stalls, they go to break and ignore it until some national tragedy happens at which point they say "we're really busy working to solve these issues" at which time they drag the bill out and pretend to give it another go. It's not about what they do within the law. Hell, they make the law.

Would be good one day to see what a conservative bill for gun regulation looks like. I'm hoping Mitch wasn't bluffing when he said he wanted Conryn to talk to Dems to come up with something to address this.

But, until then, "the left" is all we have to try to meaningfully address this in a legal manner, as flawed as it might be.

[ElNono]

Hundreds of millions of tax dollars go to Planned Parenthood...

:tu

[DMX7]

1530345730103189505

[pgardn]

You asked me. I didn't ring you up, asshole. You asked if you can walk into an airport freely. Sure you can. I know about TSA, that's my fucking point, dipshit, it's acceptable to screen people before allowing them on a plane but having that level security in a school is over the top.

YOU gave an example of security ON AN AIRPLANE. I did not ask you anything about this.
Like there was no security BEFORE getting on THE AIRPLANE.
Dont change your shit. YOU know about TSA yet said absolutely nothing about TSA.
All to use as an example for security in schools and you just flat out got it very wrong.

You need to stop. Or keep going.

edit: So in your example the teacher also needs to have assistance at her classroom before the kids enter the room I guess.
Because a classroom is just like an airplane: classrooms can just fall out of the sky or ram buildings killing all the kids aboard I guess.

[Ef-man]

1530345730103189505

Can you really trust a man whose father was involved in the JFK assassination (people say, good people)?

[DMX7]

Can you really trust a man whose father was involved in the JFK assassination (people say, good people)?

Wow, that was a hell of a primary back in 2016. Trump destroyed his whole family.

[pgardn]

Can you really trust a man whose father was involved in the JFK assassination (people say, good people)?

The complete pukes the red team puts up to run our country now is just amazing.
Ted fkn Cruz. The easiest man to hate on the planet quite possibly.

[pgardn]

Wow, that was a hell of a primary back in 2016. Trump destroyed his whole family.

Yet he grovels back for his master.
"Donald, please nail my face to the floor. Anything please, I want to be senator.

[DMC]

Bunch of wetbacks got mowed down.


Wow

[DMC]

So how do you get to the plane in the first place?
Any one checking anything? Like upon entering the airport any type of security?
TSA schools would do I guess.


YOU gave an example of security ON AN AIRPLANE. I did not ask you anything about this.
Like there was no security BEFORE getting on THE AIRPLANE.
Dont change your shit. YOU know about TSA yet said absolutely nothing about TSA.
All to use as an example for security in schools and you just flat out got it very wrong.

You need to stop. Or keep going.

edit: So in your example the teacher also needs to have assistance at her classroom before the kids enter the room I guess.
Because a classroom is just like an airplane: classrooms can just fall out of the sky or ram buildings killing all the kids aboard I guess.

:lol

[pgardn]

Wow

Look back at Christian Chris thumbs up and you might get it.

[pgardn]

:lol

I asked you... grand dad dementia

[SnakeBoy]

"Not my Mee-Ho" said Salvador's mother

"I have no words, I have no words to say, I don't know what he was thinking. He had his reasons for doing what he did and please don't judge him," Ramos' mother, Adriana Martnez said. "I only want the innocent children who died, to forgive me."

[Blake]

You made this up, per the usual.

No, every NRA touting Republican is calling for beefing up school security instead of figuring out better laws.

Making shit up is your wheelhouse, not mine.

[Blake]

1530345730103189505

Guns and prayers go out to the victims

[DMC]

But that's exactly the point. Words matter when you have something to legislate. When you're dead set against legislating in the first place, the talk about knowledge or words is meaningless, just a distraction.


That's a different issue. Words matter. I guess electing reps that can get shit done is important as well. You're saying the other team keeps your team from winning. "Yay us! We got assault weapons banned" Gun owner: "This isn't an assault weapon per your description so I picked up two. It will hold the same magazines and fire at the same rate as the 'assault weapon', only it doesn't have the bayonet lug. I cannot bayonet people". Words matter.


Of course it is like that. A license plate scan is not going to tell the cop if your car insurance is up to date, for example, yet most people do have their insurance up to date because they don't want to lose the privilege of driving.

Now you're talking about insurance but the discussion is about registration.


Every weapon has a serial number specifically for tracking purposes. If part of the regulation that needs to happen is progressively add every weapon into the NFA registry, then that's what needs to happen. The NFA also already makes it a felony to buy or posses weapons with that number removed. That would indeed make every person who owns or wants to transport, buy or sell a gun to be liable if not registered. We don't need to go back and register older guns (though I don't see a problem with that, if, for example, you want to transport those weapons). It's something that will happen over time for people that legally own guns.

400 million firearms, these aren't consumable items. They aren't going away. If you cannot add them to the database and attach them to an owner, you're dead in the water. Also, as I pointed out before, you'd have to do away with the FOPA which opens more cans than you can close (like subguns).


As far as enforcement, nobody is saying you have to break or enter anywhere. You get pulled over and an unregistered gun is found in your vehicle, then it gets confiscated, and proceeds just like what happens with enforcing any illegal act. Same thing if it's found during a security check in the airport, or a frisk on an event, etc.

How many people get pulled over with a firearm in their vehicle? The shooter didn't get pulled over. You're not going to make a dent in 400m firearms by searching vehicles after getting permission to do so (illegal search and seizure is still a thing). Even if you did a million a year, you'd need 400 years to get them all.


Please enumerate which constitutional rights are violated here. I can think of zero so far.

4th, unless you want to get a warrant. 2nd, unless you think tying a financial anchor to firearms in hopes that people won't buy them is simply a infringement, and not only that but it affects citizens disproportionately so possibly the equal protection clause under the 14th amendment. You can go for a majority to overturn those.
Basically this is going to come down to our opinions.


We need to get to a draft of a law for this to even become moderately relevant, until then this is all irrelevant chatter.
If we were to take an example, the NFA doesn't appear to be confusing as you claim, so we have an example there where actual gun regulation is pretty clear on what it targets and means.

I didn't say the NFA was confusing. Yes the NFA is pretty clear. I cannot buy a newly manufactured subgun but I can buy a pre-1986 transferrable one, pay a 200 dollar tax stamp and have even a belt fed, mounted machine gun, a 249 SAW, even a minigun. So what the NFA did was add the tax stamp. Much of subsequent revision was to protect the owner from criminal charges. It was FOPA that added the ban to manufacturing for sale to the public. It's not difficult to understand, but I'd bet even you had to go read it on the fly. That's fine and good, but the NFA has nothing to do with assault weapons (which aren't even real things, just a buzzword made up by opponents of the 2A). Assault rifles are covered under the NFA, but they are automatic weapons.


Based on what? Again, we have and had in the past firearm regulation that is/was perfectly legal. If there's one thing about Heller is that the SCOTUS itself admitted the 2nd Amendment is not beyond regulation, as long as it's done in a way that doesn't outright deny citizens with the possession of firearms.

All regulations are legal, but they might not be constitutional. Don't confuse DC vs Heller to mean that, because the 2nd isn't unlimited, the infringements can also be unlimited.


Will anything that passes be challenged in court? I expect nothing less. That's not an excuse to do nothing.

It's incumbent upon the powers that be to not just "do something" but to do something effective and meaningful. They've always been doing something.


"Want to be left alone" is not a solution to this problem. Sorry. We tried that, for decades, as you mention, and we're always back in the same place. That hasn't worked. It's never late to try something else.

You attempted to define the right, I am telling you that's how many voters feel. You might be referring to officials but the right isn't just politicians. It is too late in Uvalde to try something else. When is it not too late? That "no deadline" mentality is why we won't change. We have 350m people, plenty human fodder to stave off any real pressure.


This happens with every regulation. It's a cat and mouse game, and most of the time new regulations are needed and enacted to close those loopholes. Happened with Obamacare as well, and almost every regulation out there.

Hasn't happened with gun regulation, which is what we are discussing.


Again, this can't be used as an excuse to do nothing. It's very likely that if a regulation even comes to pass, it will be far from perfect, and will need updates. This is pretty common in every realm.

If the goal is to say you did something, fine. I prefer a goal of protecting the asset, not chasing down the nebulous plasma of up and coming attackers via Minority Report scheme. Ideologue ideas of what we want others to pass vs what can be done locally. It would be nice if both could happen but likely neither happens, especially in poor schools along the border.


I've yet to see a single draft or proposal that outright bans the possession of guns from common citizens (from "the left" or anywhere else). I personally wouldn't be onboard with that. IMO, this is another ridiculous boogeyman that doesn't exist, that's used as a crutch to do nothing. It's the whole slippery-slope thing.
The rest, whether he livestreamed, or wrote a manifesto, or used to be a Bernie supporter, or had a pedicure before murdering people... distractions to talk about something else instead of the problem at hand.

The elephant in the room no one wants to talk about, a distraction. It must be the guns. Certainly nothing the left supports fuels any of it. So much for being a multifaceted issue.


Hey Blake, it's not a money problem, it's a policy and stupid dogma problem.

lol no it isn't. They live in a society that's supposed to protect them, because they don't have the mental capacity, much less the training to "fight back" against a dude shooting up with two AR-15s.
With children specifically it's all about prevention, not reaction. And prevention doesn't mean 100% success rate, because that's utopic, but at least reducing the damage as much as possible.

I am not going to haggle with you over the definition of war. The point you dodged by using the "but that's war" was the US dumping resources into Ukraine while ignoring the slayings in our own country. This is where you said money isn't the issue but it certainly is. Otherwise we could fortify schools quite easily. Instead, another from the left here asked "what's the budget?".


We're not preventing anything by reacting by calling for change from groups we know aren't listening. Prevention is done before this shit happens, not after. It's not like we thought Sandy Hook would never happen again.


What I mentioned is the type of thing people in Ukraine, which is the actual warzone you brought up, have to deal with every day. But this highlights that it was a terrible example. Nobody in their right mind thinks Uvalde, TX is or was any kind of warzone.
It's a poor area with dilapidated schools and services. If your excuse for ignoring that and instead focusing on another country's struggles, that's the real side step made by using "but it's a war" excuse. Why does another country's war take precedence over our own children? Both result in deaths of innocents.


Would be good one day to see what a conservative bill for gun regulation looks like. I'm hoping Mitch wasn't bluffing when he said he wanted Conryn to talk to Dems to come up with something to address this. Don't hold your breath.


But, until then, "the left" is all we have to try to meaningfully address this in a legal manner, as flawed as it might be.That's bullshit. The left hasn't proven a single time that they are capable of doing anything, and this discussion has solidified that fact between you and I.

[DMC]

No, every NRA touting Republican is calling for beefing up school security instead of figuring out better laws.

Making shit up is your wheelhouse, not mine.

You make up cute sayings and repeat them ad nauseum, trying to make a meme until you realize no one picked it up, at which point you casually stop using it. :lol

[DMC]

"I have no words, I have no words to say, I don't know what he was thinking. He had his reasons for doing what he did and please don't judge him," Ramos' mother, Adriana Martnez said. "I only want the innocent children who died, to forgive me."

They should put one right between her fucking eyes too.

[DMC]

Look back at Christian Chris thumbs up and you might get it.

Fucking bigot.

[DMC]

YOU gave an example of security ON AN AIRPLANE. I did not ask you anything about this.
Like there was no security BEFORE getting on THE AIRPLANE.
Dont change your shit. YOU know about TSA yet said absolutely nothing about TSA.
All to use as an example for security in schools and you just flat out got it very wrong.

You need to stop. Or keep going.

edit: So in your example the teacher also needs to have assistance at her classroom before the kids enter the room I guess.
Because a classroom is just like an airplane: classrooms can just fall out of the sky or ram buildings killing all the kids aboard I guess.


I asked you... grand dad dementia
Good lord :lmao

[Das Texan]

Sure, and you lay out your plans for getting a meaningful gun control bill through congress.

1. Armed security at each school.
2. Locked doors with entry clearance required.
3. Doors must be reinforced and any glass must be bullet proof.
4. Schools must be fenced and gated with clearance needed to enter the non school bus gates.
5. Metal detectors and scanners for backpacks
6. Routine checks by patrols even when schools have onsite armed security
7. Classroom doors can only open from the inside sans key
8. Blocking the door with an object causes the door alarm to sound, similar to airport restricted entry doors.
9. Regular canine patrol to detect any explosive devices

All this can be done at the state level without need to have congress authorize it.

Meanwhile there is already no money for schools and people are complaining about the massive school taxes.

So lets just raise the taxes x times more.

Sounds like the best solution of all.

[DMC]

Meanwhile there is already no money for schools and people are complaining about the massive school taxes.

So lets just raise the taxes x times more.

Sounds like the best solution of all.

It's not a money issue according to ElNono

[Blake]

You make up cute sayings and repeat them ad nauseum, trying to make a meme until you realize no one picked it up, at which point you casually stop using it. :lol

Lol monologuing

[Das Texan]

apparently they're frequently first responders in the 100 mile border zone. they have a checkpoint in Uvalde and employ ~150 people locally. I'd not be surprised if that's more than the Uvalde PD.


https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/border-patrol-uvalde-shooter/


The closest checkpoint is 40 miles West out in Bracketville.

But the agents probably live in either Uvalde or Del Rio, but there is no actual checkpoint in Uvalde.

Be better Texas Monthly.

[SnakeBoy]

Peter Arredondo, the school district police chief whose orders reportedly delayed response to the shooting at Robb Elementary School which killed 21, will join the Uvalde City Council, NBC reported.

Arredondo was elected to the Uvalde City Council three weeks ago, earning nearly 70% of the vote, according to the Uvalde Leader-News.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/uYc9uVW8yu6esFcsPdrvlQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTUyOTtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/0ev9KF5yaPRMf9yJNNqHMw--~B/aD04MzI7dz0xMTA5O2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/insider_articles_922/0607c393976c9b023429e1a192274caa

[monosylab1k]

https://i.ibb.co/DQVCkPc/B5-C449-BF-BD7-A-4-F01-8-DAE-31-FDFFE47-B5-D.jpg

It’s funny how right wing Christians know the Bible less than almost anybody else in this country. Probably by design tbh………. no, definitely by design :lol

[koriwhat]

Meanwhile there is already no money for schools and people are complaining about the massive school taxes.

So lets just raise the taxes x times more.

Sounds like the best solution of all.

Sure there's money but it's all in Ukraine and other countries... It's called our laundering of our money and it's our politicians who are doing it. Fuck the USA right?

[Spurs Homer]

Sure there's money but it's all in Ukraine and other countries... It's called our laundering of our money and it's our politicians who are doing it. Fuck the USA right?

Did your hero- Cucker Tarlson spoon feed you this propaganda?


Would you prefer we allow Russia to move on to Europe and continue taking countries - so you can cry LATER that we should have stopped them sooner?

Fucking moron.

[pgardn]

Fucking bigot.

He is.
I agree.
Chris just flat out admitted he dislikes black people as well.
Agreed they are stupid and lazy but he does not know why God made them this way.

This is another case of grumpa stepping into wrong field and thus the wrong cow dung.
Does Grumpa realize some posters actually post to other posters concerning subjects you were never a part of and have no clue what is going on.

[pgardn]

[QUOTE=DMC;10745947]Good lord :lmao[/QUO.TE]

What a fkn idiot.

I asked you... (as in trailing off in disbelief you dont have a clue which poster posted a request.)

Show me WHERE I ASKED YOU?
grandad dementia
Refer to the post number please.

But do keep going with your airport/airplane-school comparison.
I like your pretzel logic.

[pgardn]

Peter Arredondo, the school district police chief whose orders reportedly delayed response to the shooting at Robb Elementary School which killed 21, will join the Uvalde City Council, NBC reported.

Arredondo was elected to the Uvalde City Council three weeks ago, earning nearly 70% of the vote, according to the Uvalde Leader-News.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/uYc9uVW8yu6esFcsPdrvlQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTUyOTtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/0ev9KF5yaPRMf9yJNNqHMw--~B/aD04MzI7dz0xMTA5O2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/insider_articles_922/0607c393976c9b023429e1a192274caa

So the FBI has figured out it is this guy who is responsible for stopping the police from going in.

Link.

Call me skeptical for not trusting the State of Red Texas and its ability to investigate anything.
You a Ken Paxson guy snake? Have him investigate himself. See how that goes.

[Blake]

https://i.ibb.co/DQVCkPc/B5-C449-BF-BD7-A-4-F01-8-DAE-31-FDFFE47-B5-D.jpg

It’s funny how right wing Christians know the Bible less than almost anybody else in this country. Probably by design tbh………. no, definitely by design :lol

Guns and prayers

[DMX7]

https://i.ibb.co/DQVCkPc/B5-C449-BF-BD7-A-4-F01-8-DAE-31-FDFFE47-B5-D.jpg

It’s funny how right wing Christians know the Bible less than almost anybody else in this country. Probably by design tbh………. no, definitely by design :lol

Wayne might tell you something like he speaks to god.

[DMC]

Good lord :lmao

What a fkn idiot.

I asked you... (as in trailing off in disbelief you dont have a clue which poster posted a request.)

Show me WHERE I ASKED YOU?
grandad dementia
Refer to the post number please.

But do keep going with your airport/airplane-school comparison.
I like your pretzel logic.


So how do you get to the plane in the first place?
Any one checking anything? Like upon entering the airport any type of security?
TSA schools would do I guess.

https://valley-cbpingree.s3.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/13213032/Screen-Shot-2020-07-13-at-4.30.12-PM-480x451.png

[Winehole23]

Peter Arredondo, the school district police chief whose orders reportedly delayed response to the shooting at Robb Elementary School which killed 21, will join the Uvalde City Council, NBC reported.

Arredondo was elected to the Uvalde City Council three weeks ago, earning nearly 70% of the vote, according to the Uvalde Leader-News.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/uYc9uVW8yu6esFcsPdrvlQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTUyOTtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/0ev9KF5yaPRMf9yJNNqHMw--~B/aD04MzI7dz0xMTA5O2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/insider_articles_922/0607c393976c9b023429e1a192274caapunch line, in a city of 16,000 he got 126 votes out of 182 total to win.

https://www.uvaldeleadernews.com/articles/lawman-arredondo-joining-city-council/

[ElNono]

That's a different issue. Words matter. I guess electing reps that can get shit done is important as well. You're saying the other team keeps your team from winning. "Yay us! We got assault weapons banned" Gun owner: "This isn't an assault weapon per your description so I picked up two. It will hold the same magazines and fire at the same rate as the 'assault weapon', only it doesn't have the bayonet lug. I cannot bayonet people". Words matter.

I said words matter when you have something to legislate. What goes into an actual law matters.

Here, we throw some ideas around, and nobody is expecting that to go into a law. When somebody says restrict to 10 bullets, does it really matters if it's a clip or a magazine? Are you really confused about what's being proposed?


Now you're talking about insurance but the discussion is about registration.

400 million firearms, these aren't consumable items. They aren't going away. If you cannot add them to the database and attach them to an owner, you're dead in the water. Also, as I pointed out before, you'd have to do away with the FOPA which opens more cans than you can close (like subguns).

How many people get pulled over with a firearm in their vehicle? The shooter didn't get pulled over. You're not going to make a dent in 400m firearms by searching vehicles after getting permission to do so (illegal search and seizure is still a thing). Even if you did a million a year, you'd need 400 years to get them all.

No it isn't. We're talking about enforcement of regulations. I brought up cars because they're also personal property, they're regulated and there's effective enforcement. Even license plate readers and computers on police cars are a relative novelty considering the lifetime of vehicles, yet people historically had no problem abiding by regulations.

The notion that we just shouldn't regulate because there's soooooo many weapons and it would be soooo inefficient or ineffective, flies in the face of that example.

I don't think old weapons matter because in the worst case it's exactly what we have now, nothing. They're not consumables, but they are fungible. Gun sales haven't stopped nor are struggling. People do buy new guns, transact their old ones, sell them or pass them on. So maybe we won't make a dent on the old guns, but if we can make a dent going forward, let's do it.

This shooter might've not been stopped by this, but there were other proposals, like not being able to purchase until you're 21, or even if he could purchase legally and pass a mental health examination, he shouldn't be able to have as many bullets, etc. Again, this isn't about a silver bullet (pun intended), it's about a comprehensive package that addresses a number of problems.


4th, unless you want to get a warrant. 2nd, unless you think tying a financial anchor to firearms in hopes that people won't buy them is simply a infringement, and not only that but it affects citizens disproportionately so possibly the equal protection clause under the 14th amendment. You can go for a majority to overturn those.
Basically this is going to come down to our opinions.

Out of the examples I cited, none require a warrant. Car stops only require probable cause, airport searches are exempted from 4th protection, if you submit yourself to a frisk, you're waiving your right. Zero cases of infringement on the 4th there.

The 2nd amendment is more complicated because it largely depends on what the law looks like. My understanding is that unless the court deems a regulation as precluding your average citizen from owning a weapon (be it due to undue burden, equal protection, etc), then it's legal and enforceable.

But obviously this will go all the way up to the SCOTUS and we'll find out.


I didn't say the NFA was confusing. Yes the NFA is pretty clear. I cannot buy a newly manufactured subgun but I can buy a pre-1986 transferrable one, pay a 200 dollar tax stamp and have even a belt fed, mounted machine gun, a 249 SAW, even a minigun. So what the NFA did was add the tax stamp. Much of subsequent revision was to protect the owner from criminal charges. It was FOPA that added the ban to manufacturing for sale to the public. It's not difficult to understand, but I'd bet even you had to go read it on the fly. That's fine and good, but the NFA has nothing to do with assault weapons (which aren't even real things, just a buzzword made up by opponents of the 2A). Assault rifles are covered under the NFA, but they are automatic weapons.

I was merely responding to your argument that any law needs to be clear and concise. I cited the NFA as an example of such a law. Looks like the cats in DC got that one right. Glad we agree, you can probably stop worrying about that bit.
The NFA has been revisited a number of times, and would likely need to be revisited here as well. Nothing wrong with that, happens all the time.


All regulations are legal, but they might not be constitutional. Don't confuse DC vs Heller to mean that, because the 2nd isn't unlimited, the infringements can also be unlimited.

If I'm citing Heller vs DC, a case where a regulation was deemed unconstitutional, then it's pretty clear I'm aware of that. I'm not confused about what was said in Heller, I'm merely pointing out what the court said in that case, which I think it's relevant when we're discussing the boundaries of regulating the 2nd Amendment (which we clearly can do, as seen in other big hits like gun-free zones, FOPA, NFA, etc).


It's incumbent upon the powers that be to not just "do something" but to do something effective and meaningful. They've always been doing something.

That sounds great, but when half of the power-that-be doesn't want to do anything, then nothing gets done. When it comes to this, nothing got done.

The last time we had anything meaningful, it was enacted as an ATF rule without intervention from Congress, and we still don't know if it's going to stick at all. That's not how you get anything done, much less anything effective or meaningful.

If you're just going to take the ball and go home, there's no game to be played, period.


You attempted to define the right, I am telling you that's how many voters feel. You might be referring to officials but the right isn't just politicians. It is too late in Uvalde to try something else. When is it not too late? That "no deadline" mentality is why we won't change. We have 350m people, plenty human fodder to stave off any real pressure.

I didn't try to define the right. I'm simply stating that "Want to be left alone" hasn't worked. "Want to be left alone" is actually a deep, deep philosophical divide between conservatives and liberals, that goes beyond weapons (and probably beyond this conversation). It almost always fails outside of a rural setting. Once you're connected and what you do affects a large number of people, the "Want to be left alone" almost always invariably fails. IMO, this is a losing race for conservatives, as urbanization continues apace, demographics shift and we continue to move into a more connected world.


Hasn't happened with gun regulation, which is what we are discussing.

Of course it has, you've just said so above with the NFA. Nobody should expect the first version of any of these things to be perfect the first time around. They can always be revised.


If the goal is to say you did something, fine. I prefer a goal of protecting the asset, not chasing down the nebulous plasma of up and coming attackers via Minority Report scheme. Ideologue ideas of what we want others to pass vs what can be done locally. It would be nice if both could happen but likely neither happens, especially in poor schools along the border.

The goal is to start somewhere. If you can't even get started and have a conversation, then there's nothing to talk about. It like a fucking dogma.


The elephant in the room no one wants to talk about, a distraction. It must be the guns. Certainly nothing the left supports fuels any of it. So much for being a multifaceted issue.

But the proposals here weren't just about guns. We talked about mental health as well, but when it comes to "mental health that might preclude you from owning a gun", then it's back to square zero. That's not "the left" doing that, BTW.


I am not going to haggle with you over the definition of war. The point you dodged by using the "but that's war" was the US dumping resources into Ukraine while ignoring the slayings in our own country. This is where you said money isn't the issue but it certainly is. Otherwise we could fortify schools quite easily. Instead, another from the left here asked "what's the budget?".

I just didn't think I needed to explain how our country works. Congress has easily the most amount of power, then the Executive and Judicial share some.
Congress was in agreement that helping Ukraine was in the best interest of the US, so they passed a law approving all that help. One half of Congress doesn't think gun regulation can help, the other half does. Law doesn't pass, no help is coming.

Money isn't an issue once Congress agrees on something. And unfortunately when it comes to this they do not. But should they come to an agreement, whatever that might look like, money is not going to be the obstacle here.


We're not preventing anything by reacting by calling for change from groups we know aren't listening. Prevention is done before this shit happens, not after. It's not like we thought Sandy Hook would never happen again.

But nobody is looking at 100% effectiveness in prevention. The fact that we are aware that this will happen again, makes it even more logical that you would at least try to reduce the damage from these incidents.

Even a 20% prevention rate and reduced damage in the other 80% would absolutely be meaningful.


It's a poor area with dilapidated schools and services. If your excuse for ignoring that and instead focusing on another country's struggles, that's the real side step made by using "but it's a war" excuse. Why does another country's war take precedence over our own children? Both result in deaths of innocents.

It's not an excuse, it's a fact. Ukraine is a war zone, Uvalde, TX is not. The security expectations in both places are, objectively, diametrically different.


Don't hold your breath.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. None of this matters as long as conservatives don't want to play ball. And it's only going to hurt them in the long run. We've seen this with Obamacare as well.

Once the Democrats had enough votes, they passed it, and then conservatives bitched and moaned about it, but they're so devoid of ideas and the law proved to be popular enough, that once they had a majority to do something about it, they couldn't repeal it. They couldn't even agree how to reform it.

And instead of being part of the process, get some things they wanted in there, and get some of the credit for meaningful change, they completely fumbled it.


That's bullshit. The left hasn't proven a single time that they are capable of doing anything, and this discussion has solidified that fact between you and I.

Not bullshit at all. Show me the last bill about mental health or any sort of gun regulation conservatives put on the floor. You just admitted as much above.

If Dems had the votes a lot of these things would be in place now, and conservatards would be like "repeal, repeal, repeal"... we've seen this movie before.

[ChumpDumper]

Peter Arredondo, the school district police chief whose orders reportedly delayed response to the shooting at Robb Elementary School which killed 21, will join the Uvalde City Council, NBC reported.

Arredondo was elected to the Uvalde City Council three weeks ago, earning nearly 70% of the vote, according to the Uvalde Leader-News.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/uYc9uVW8yu6esFcsPdrvlQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTUyOTtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/0ev9KF5yaPRMf9yJNNqHMw--~B/aD04MzI7dz0xMTA5O2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/insider_articles_922/0607c393976c9b023429e1a192274caa

Such a weird flex, your cheering the murder of schoolchildren.

Why?

[Winehole23]

Such a weird flex, your cheering the murder of schoolchildren.

Why?I read it as SnakeBoy trying to make out that Arredondo has a wide base of support in the community when in fact, he just won in a low turnout race.

Maybe SnakeBoy can clarify his own angle on this.

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Peter Arredondo, the school district police chief whose orders reportedly delayed response to the shooting at Robb Elementary School which killed 21, will join the Uvalde City Council, NBC reported.

Arredondo was elected to the Uvalde City Council three weeks ago, earning nearly 70% of the vote, according to the Uvalde Leader-News.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/uYc9uVW8yu6esFcsPdrvlQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTUyOTtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/0ev9KF5yaPRMf9yJNNqHMw--~B/aD04MzI7dz0xMTA5O2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/insider_articles_922/0607c393976c9b023429e1a192274caa

He is colored.
He is not white.

[Winehole23]

:lmao

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[Winehole23]

Fred Cantu

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[Thread]

Peter Arredondo, the school district police chief whose orders reportedly delayed response to the shooting at Robb Elementary School which killed 21, will join the Uvalde City Council, NBC reported.

Arredondo was elected to the Uvalde City Council three weeks ago, earning nearly 70% of the vote, according to the Uvalde Leader-News.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/uYc9uVW8yu6esFcsPdrvlQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTUyOTtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/0ev9KF5yaPRMf9yJNNqHMw--~B/aD04MzI7dz0xMTA5O2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/insider_articles_922/0607c393976c9b023429e1a192274caa


He is colored.
He is not white.

[Winehole23]

Laws have never stopped evil.


Yes they have.


:lol

In your dreams maybe.iRL, a gun law prevented the Uvalde shooter from getting an AR-15 until he was 18 years old.

[Winehole23]

It also allowed him to finance the gun online once he turned 18. Pretty neat trick for focused mass shooters, they never have to pay the balance if they act quickly enough.

[Winehole23]

Cosplay warriors, tbh

Not sure why the "potentially sensitive content" caption appears. Uvalde PD -- or Twitter -- apparently has tender feelings about their social media posting.

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[Winehole23]

It also allowed him to finance the gun online once he turned 18. Pretty neat trick for focused mass shooters, they never have to pay the balance if they act quickly enough.there would be fairly simple legal remedies for that if Republicans were willing to vote for them.

[Trill Clinton]

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[Dick Jones]

Maybe SnakeBoy can clarify his own angle on this.
:lmao

[leemajors]

Fred Cantu

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This. My daughter goes to McCallum in Austin and prefers the portables because the AC actually works in them.

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It also allowed him to finance the gun online once he turned 18. Pretty neat trick for focused mass shooters, they never have to pay the balance if they act quickly enough.

This one, this focused mass shooter was colored.
He was not white.

[SnakeBoy]

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Shall.Not.Be.Infringed.

[pgardn]

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That was not the original request that led to this whole airplane simplification of stupidity you then expanded upon.
BLAKE gave you the initial request in which you started in on Airplanes.
You grumpa, are a disingenuous weasel of a human.

So keep going. I appreciate charts describing your self introspection.

[Winehole23]

In 1787 not only did you have to register your firearm, but authorities would come to your house to make sure it was in working order. 2A and gun regulation walked hand in hand.

[ChumpDumper]

Shall.Not.Be.Infringed.

To which well-regulated militia did gunman belong?

Yours?

[pgardn]

This. My daughter goes to McCallum in Austin and prefers the portables because the AC actually works in them.

No money for that now.
Its all going into mental health based on governor Abbott's comments.
The mental health services he severely cut in addition to unfunded mandates for schools.

[pgardn]

To which well-regulated militia did gunman belong?

Yours?

Snake belongs in Somalia so he can experience how militias run a country.

[Dick Jones]

Snakeboy whenever children die and it means he can “troll” the libs on SpursTalk

https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/amB41ed_700b.jpg

[Winehole23]

"Bear arms" wasn't a synonym for "carry weapons" in 1787, it referred to military service.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/

https://repository.law.umich.edu/mlr/vol105/iss4/2/

[pgardn]

:lmao

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The thing is I really love this State of ours.
I love the geography, I love our coastline, I love Austin and San Antonio.
I love the opportunities to get outside and just hike bike fish etc...
But The politics are absolutely nuts though. Its amazing.

You can have a really nice, "would do anything for you neighbor", who will explain to you George Soros owns all the lumber and this is why our fence that we just built together is just bonkers. We knock it out quickly, with no disagreements and working together pleasantly, and then a random blurb of nonsense arises. Btw,, this is one of the reasons I asked for the article from you. I asked my neighbor to read it possibly on his own time. He wont. Fox clicked ON.

[MultiTroll]

^ "Is a review."

I don't get it.

[Winehole23]

^ "Is a review."

I don't get it.one star

[Winehole23]

The thing is I really love this State of ours.
I love the geography, I love our coastline, I love Austin and San Antonio.
I love the opportunities to get outside and just hike bike fish etc...
But The politics are absolutely nuts though. Its amazing.

You can have a really nice, "would do anything for you neighbor", who will explain to you George Soros owns all the lumber and this is why our fence that we just built together is just bonkers. We knock it out quickly, with no disagreements and working together pleasantly, and then a random blurb of nonsense arises. Btw,, this is one of the reasons I asked for the article from you. I asked my neighbor to read it possibly on his own time. He wont. Fox clicked ON.Fascists aren't demons, they are regular folks like you and me.

Which article, btw? Did I send it to you?

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No money for that now.
Its all going into mental health based on governor Abbott's comments.
The mental health services he severely cut in addition to unfunded mandates for schools.

...& into Ukr.

[Thread]

^ "Is a review."

I don't get it.

Bend over. You'll fuckin' get it.

[Thread]

Snakeboy whenever children die and it means he can “troll” the libs on SpursTalk

https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/amB41ed_700b.jpg

Me too, DJ. I miss nary ripe opportunity.

[DMC]

I said words matter when you have something to legislate. What goes into an actual law matters.

Here, we throw some ideas around, and nobody is expecting that to go into a law. When somebody says restrict to 10 bullets, does it really matters if it's a clip or a magazine? Are you really confused about what's being proposed?


The history of gun laws clearly illustrates that these things do make it into the verbiage of the laws, else I'd have nothing to use as an example. I didn't just make up all these evil features I've been mentioning. Of course I know layman talk doesn't make it into law, but laymen are what congressmen are trying to appease, and if you think it's all been taken care of because of your ignorance, you'll likely feel appeased even if the gun lobby and manufacturers all know it's status quo.


No it isn't. We're talking about enforcement of regulations. I brought up cars because they're also personal property, they're regulated and there's effective enforcement. Even license plate readers and computers on police cars are a relative novelty considering the lifetime of vehicles, yet people historically had no problem abiding by regulations.

You're comparing apples to oranges. There was never a time in the life of that car when it wasn't required to be registered. No one is walking around displaying gun serial numbers for cops to see. The logistics behind registrations are not all the same. If vehicle inspections were done on a system of trust instead of a system of verify, how many cars would get inspected? How many people would pay hundreds to get that O2 sensor fixed? Pretty hard to conceal a car you're driving.


The notion that we just shouldn't regulate because there's soooooo many weapons and it would be soooo inefficient or ineffective, flies in the face of that example.
You can lampoon it, that's fine. It doesn't change the fact. Your example is for cars which are absolutely nothing like guns. Just because it's property you think they are the same, but they aren't. You can no sooner regulate untraceable things than you can regulate thoughts which are also property. All that can be done is a law, and laws that cannot be enforced are worthless. "Suicide is illegal!". Good luck with that.


I don't think old weapons matter because in the worst case it's exactly what we have now, nothing. They're not consumables, but they are fungible. Gun sales haven't stopped nor are struggling. People do buy new guns, transact their old ones, sell them or pass them on. So maybe we won't make a dent on the old guns, but if we can make a dent going forward, let's do it.

If the ROI isn't there, it's just a feel good measure. Sorry, I cannot buy into that. Might as well buy guns yourself and hope the guns you buy (and destroy) makes a dent in the overall gun population. People buy and sell guns, they don't replace their old guns with new ones. Gun sales are additional guns for the buyer, not replacement guns. They might trade for something they are interested in having, but they don't just get rid of old guns to get new ones. This is why the number keeps growing and is now at over 400 million.


This shooter might've not been stopped by this, but there were other proposals, like not being able to purchase until you're 21, or even if he could purchase legally and pass a mental health examination, he shouldn't be able to have as many bullets, etc. Again, this isn't about a silver bullet (pun intended), it's about a comprehensive package that addresses a number of problems.

It's mostly placebo stuff. Not trying to be a dick but that's just a fact. Adam Lanza didn't own the firearm he used, nor did the kid up north who took his dad's gun to school.


Out of the examples I cited, none require a warrant. Car stops only require probable cause, airport searches are exempted from 4th protection, if you submit yourself to a frisk, you're waiving your right. Zero cases of infringement on the 4th there.

What probable cause exists for a search simply because of a traffic stop? "I smell gun oil"? Airport searches? Who's carrying a gun through a security checkpoint?


The 2nd amendment is more complicated because it largely depends on what the law looks like. My understanding is that unless the court deems a regulation as precluding your average citizen from owning a weapon (be it due to undue burden, equal protection, etc), then it's legal and enforceable.

But obviously this will go all the way up to the SCOTUS and we'll find out.
If you're going to be that radical, just go for the ban. They both have about the same chance of ever seeing the light of day. With near half a billion guns in circulation, only a ban and confiscation would work. When you compare to other countries, why don't you consider they implemented that instead of reaching for placebo laws?


I was merely responding to your argument that any law needs to be clear and concise. I cited the NFA as an example of such a law. Looks like the cats in DC got that one right. Glad we agree, you can probably stop worrying about that bit.
The NFA has been revisited a number of times, and would likely need to be revisited here as well. Nothing wrong with that, happens all the time.

It's been revised several times. I don't know that they got it right, per se. There weren't a rash of machine gun murders happening, people weren't being slaughtered by suppressed weapons or short barrel rifles and AOWs. They banned nothing as far as citizens are concerned, they just stuck a tax stamp on it (which at the time was crippling to people trying to survive) mostly to keep people from owning the guns and from shooting deer. You could buy a Thompson subgun with a drum magazine in a hardware store back then.


If I'm citing Heller vs DC, a case where a regulation was deemed unconstitutional, then it's pretty clear I'm aware of that. I'm not confused about what was said in Heller, I'm merely pointing out what the court said in that case, which I think it's relevant when we're discussing the boundaries of regulating the 2nd Amendment (which we clearly can do, as seen in other big hits like gun-free zones, FOPA, NFA, etc).

Well, you're using age old arguments about "not absolute" and the next step in that argument is always "so why can't we...". These aren't new arguments.


That sounds great, but when half of the power-that-be doesn't want to do anything, then nothing gets done. When it comes to this, nothing got done.

That's how democracy works.


The last time we had anything meaningful, it was enacted as an ATF rule without intervention from Congress, and we still don't know if it's going to stick at all. That's not how you get anything done, much less anything effective or meaningful.

SCOTUS refused to hear the case.


If you're just going to take the ball and go home, there's no game to be played, period.
Force your way through. It could be done if you didn't have people in your ranks who weren't with the program.


I didn't try to define the right. I'm simply stating that "Want to be left alone" hasn't worked. "Want to be left alone" is actually a deep, deep philosophical divide between conservatives and liberals, that goes beyond weapons (and probably beyond this conversation). It almost always fails outside of a rural setting. Once you're connected and what you do affects a large number of people, the "Want to be left alone" almost always invariably fails. IMO, this is a losing race for conservatives, as urbanization continues apace, demographics shift and we continue to move into a more connected world.

You actually did. You said they care more about the NRA than about the actual guns. Again, you could be talking about officials, in which case you're probably right. You don't seem to define who you're talking about when you say "the right". There are plenty people who vote conservative who aren't members of the NRA, but still own guns. I get it that the narrative is so much easier if the caricatures are cleanly laid out, but RL doesn't work like that. It might be a losing race, but who wins? You've already acknowledged the left can't get shit done. Is the political landscape ripe for a third party with hybrid values?


Of course it has, you've just said so above with the NFA. Nobody should expect the first version of any of these things to be perfect the first time around. They can always be revised.
Sure and congress can always just vote majority needed to do away with any amendment. They've done it with certain ones. The odds are against it and I wouldn't wait around for it.


The goal is to start somewhere. If you can't even get started and have a conversation, then there's nothing to talk about. It like a fucking dogma.

Who says it wasn't already started years ago. Why is it new every time we have an event?


But the proposals here weren't just about guns. We talked about mental health as well, but when it comes to "mental health that might preclude you from owning a gun", then it's back to square zero. That's not "the left" doing that, BTW.

But you said these things are distractions. Do you not agree that sensationalizing mass murder creates copycats looking for the moment? Is the 1st Amendment completely off the table?


I just didn't think I needed to explain how our country works. Congress has easily the most amount of power, then the Executive and Judicial share some.
Congress was in agreement that helping Ukraine was in the best interest of the US, so they passed a law approving all that help. One half of Congress doesn't think gun regulation can help, the other half does. Law doesn't pass, no help is coming.

Same congress that won't consider passing gun laws. That's the point. If the gripe is the cost, you have to decide who's more important with the funds you have, them or us. They decided. Their platitudes ring hollow as their spending goes elsewhere.


Money isn't an issue once Congress agrees on something. And unfortunately when it comes to this they do not. But should they come to an agreement, whatever that might look like, money is not going to be the obstacle here.

These threads are a microcosm of just why they don't agree. "It's the guns, has to be the guns, we have to control guns more"... "no it's the way media sensationalizes murders, it's the upbringing, it's the lack of family values, it's the lack tribe - the loner since birth types" ... "If you take away the guns the other stuff doesn't matter" ... "But the 2A say we have a right to have guns... so look elsewhere" ... "You're just impossible, I'm going on break".


But nobody is looking at 100% effectiveness in prevention. The fact that we are aware that this will happen again, makes it even more logical that you would at least try to reduce the damage from these incidents.

There's no way to know damage has been reduced without a parallel universe where your change didn't happen. How many schools weren't shot up because of something the school put in place? There's no way to know. I cannot imagine anyone saying "yeah they shot up the place but the damage has been reduced". If there's even one dead kid, it will not be looked at as reduced damage.


Even a 20% prevention rate and reduced damage in the other 80% would absolutely be meaningful.

Also unmeasurable.


It's not an excuse, it's a fact. Ukraine is a war zone, Uvalde, TX is not. The security expectations in both places are, objectively, diametrically different.

In each instance gunmen entered uninvited and killed innocent people who are not combatants.


This is exactly what I'm talking about. None of this matters as long as conservatives don't want to play ball. And it's only going to hurt them in the long run. We've seen this with Obamacare as well.

By addressing guns, right? Not the other distractions like factors the left wants to protect, like their right to capitalize on those deaths through ad revenue generated from plastering the information for days with every detail they can find, that's just capitalism. Freedom of the press!


Once the Democrats had enough votes, they passed it, and then conservatives bitched and moaned about it, but they're so devoid of ideas and the law proved to be popular enough, that once they had a majority to do something about it, they couldn't repeal it. They couldn't even agree how to reform it.

And instead of being part of the process, get some things they wanted in there, and get some of the credit for meaningful change, they completely fumbled it.

You've only approached this multifaceted issue as a gun issue with a very brief jaunt into the mental illness arena. This is what the right sees from the left - opportunists who want to capitalize on the deaths of children to get legislation through to remove constitutional rights, but doing nothing to address underlying issues. I doubt people are sitting around in France thinking "man, if I could just get my hands on a gun I'd shoot all these kindergartners". There are some very different dynamics in this country where people want to grief society as much as possible, be it with a gun or any other instrument they can use, they get off on it.


Not bullshit at all. Show me the last bill about mental health or any sort of gun regulation conservatives put on the floor. You just admitted as much above.

This is left up to the states and AFAIK, every state has provisions to keep guns away from people who have been diagnosed as being mentally ill.
If you just mean people you think are mentally ill, that's a problem because a person cannot be denied their rights through unsubstantiated claims. As it stands, TROs walk a fine line in that area.

States also have gun regulations. DC has many of the restrictions you suggest above, however the gun related fatalities per capita are almost 2x that of Texas. If these work, why don't they work in DC? (hint: it's not the gun)


If Dems had the votes a lot of these things would be in place now, and conservatards would be like "repeal, repeal, repeal"... we've seen this movie before.

Either way, this has devolved into just another party bashing thread plus it's too long.

Appreciate the back and forth.

[Dick Jones]

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[Spurs Homer]

Completely and utterly embarrassing failure of Texas law enforcement.

After Parkland, the protocal for responding to these shootings IN A SCHOOL
was overhauled and every responding peace officer had a DUTY to engage immediately….

those 19 officers sitting for over an hour need to be fired/sued/prosecuted and never allowed to work anywhere near this field again.

NONE of those 19 used any kind of courage to disobey a stupid , unlawful order to sit and wait for backup.

ALL of them should have already gone thru intensive training in these scenarios and broken into that room and let bullets fly and disregard everything else/every self-preservation urge-


complete travesty/embarrassment. Shame for this state. The stain will never be erased.

[Winehole23]

Christian Dominionism is real. They need the guns to manifest God's will on earth.

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[DMC]

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As long as you want to live under the UCMJ then fine. You also cannot have braids or kneel during the playing of the anthem. Want the water, don't want the wet.

[Splits]

Sure, and you lay out your plans for getting a meaningful gun control bill through congress.

1. Armed security at each school.
2. Locked doors with entry clearance required.
3. Doors must be reinforced and any glass must be bullet proof.
4. Schools must be fenced and gated with clearance needed to enter the non school bus gates.
5. Metal detectors and scanners for backpacks
6. Routine checks by patrols even when schools have onsite armed security
7. Classroom doors can only open from the inside sans key
8. Blocking the door with an object causes the door alarm to sound, similar to airport restricted entry doors.
9. Regular canine patrol to detect any explosive devices

All this can be done at the state level without need to have congress authorize it.

What parent wants their kids going to school under these conditions? Fucking stupid and sick

[DMC]

What parent wants their kids going to school under these conditions? Fucking stupid and sick

Probably those parents in Uvalde if they could go back.

[Winehole23]

What parent wants their kids going to school under these conditions? Fkn sickan armed camp in a maximum security facility promotes learning and helps children feel safe, everybody knows that

[Thread]

What parent wants their kids going to school under these conditions? Fucking stupid and sick

Just remember, daddy; this latest shooter was colored. Not white.

[DMC]

an armed camp in a maximum security facility promotes learning and helps children feel safe, everybody knows that

At least they leave upright.

[ElNono]

Let's send them to a federal prison, they have all that already... nevermind that doesn't address mass shooting like in Vegas, for example.

Pathetic all around.

[Spurs Homer]

lol

snowflake parents who bitched and moaned about wearing a fucking mask to contribute to the safety of others and bitched and moaned and whined about teachers allowing their kids to learn the truth about amerikkkas history

are suddenly going to “suck it up” and allow their kids to be screened, searched, and inspected every day before entering/leaving a school?


hahahahahahaha!

[Dirks_Finale]

Just remember, daddy; this latest shooter was colored. Not white.

Yeah but some of the cops there were white.

White = very bad. It's always whitey's fault no matter what it is.

[clambake]

In Texas, to protect and serve means to deflect and swerve.

[daboom1]

In Texas, to protect and serve means to deflect and swerve.

cool joke

[clambake]

cool joke

Not a joke. It’s real.

[ElNono]

The history of gun laws clearly illustrates that these things do make it into the verbiage of the laws, else I'd have nothing to use as an example. I didn't just make up all these evil features I've been mentioning. Of course I know layman talk doesn't make it into law, but laymen are what congressmen are trying to appease, and if you think it's all been taken care of because of your ignorance, you'll likely feel appeased even if the gun lobby and manufacturers all know it's status quo.

This isn't a problem of gun ignorance or loopholes, and you didn't bring up any example of such thing making it into a law. You keep trying to move the conversation there and it's completely irrelevant. You're also too embarrassed to answer the question, because you and I both know the answer:

When somebody here says restrict to 10 bullets, does it really matters if it's a clip or a magazine? Are you really confused about what's being proposed?


You're comparing apples to oranges. There was never a time in the life of that car when it wasn't required to be registered. No one is walking around displaying gun serial numbers for cops to see. The logistics behind registrations are not all the same. If vehicle inspections were done on a system of trust instead of a system of verify, how many cars would get inspected? How many people would pay hundreds to get that O2 sensor fixed? Pretty hard to conceal a car you're driving.
You can lampoon it, that's fine. It doesn't change the fact. Your example is for cars which are absolutely nothing like guns. Just because it's property you think they are the same, but they aren't. You can no sooner regulate untraceable things than you can regulate thoughts which are also property. All that can be done is a law, and laws that cannot be enforced are worthless. "Suicide is illegal!". Good luck with that.

More baloney. There was a time where cars didn't need to have seatbelts, or airbags, or you were mandated to have insurance, etc. As previously noted, license plate readers and computers in police cars to do real-time checks on registrations and everything else didn't exist in 1886 when the first vehicle was invented. Seriously doubt (but can't prove) registration was required back then either. Yet, when regulation on all those things came about, the vast majority of people (and manufacturers) opted to to be remain lawful. This is a fact. Of course that includes inconveniences to them, including monetary, but doesn't preclude them from owning a vehicle.
The only real difference is that unlike guns, owning a vehicle (which is not hindered in any way) is not codified as a right.

But besides that, unlike "thoughts", guns are tangible property that have no actual physical impediment to be tracked and traced. I'm proposing to do a voluntary inclusion into a registry going forward, via NFA or similar, instead of a compulsory one, because I understand the complexity of tracing older weapons. I'm mindful of the problem, and looking at a solution. You just don't want to look at the problem, and rather give up (as quickly as possible as well).


If the ROI isn't there, it's just a feel good measure. Sorry, I cannot buy into that. Might as well buy guns yourself and hope the guns you buy (and destroy) makes a dent in the overall gun population. People buy and sell guns, they don't replace their old guns with new ones. Gun sales are additional guns for the buyer, not replacement guns. They might trade for something they are interested in having, but they don't just get rid of old guns to get new ones. This is why the number keeps growing and is now at over 400 million.

It's mostly placebo stuff. Not trying to be a dick but that's just a fact. Adam Lanza didn't own the firearm he used, nor did the kid up north who took his dad's gun to school.

This is silly. If this saves one life, it's worth it. This isn't an intractable problem, but there needs to be a will to address it. Giving up is not the answer.


What probable cause exists for a search simply because of a traffic stop? "I smell gun oil"? Airport searches? Who's carrying a gun through a security checkpoint?

Whatever the many reasons why cops search a vehicle today. On average, 2% end up in a search. Police pull over more than 50,000 drivers on a typical day, more than 20 million motorists every year. (source (https://openpolicing.stanford.edu/findings/)).

Airports (there's plenty more, just a a sample):
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/26/us/politics/madison-cawthorn-gun-airport.html
https://www.tsa.gov/news/press/releases/2022/04/22/tsa-prevents-oklahoma-man-bringing-loaded-gun-his-flight-laguardia
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/07/jim-cooper-airport-loaded-gun-00014845

You can certainly tell me you think this won't be effective, that's fine.


If you're going to be that radical, just go for the ban. They both have about the same chance of ever seeing the light of day. With near half a billion guns in circulation, only a ban and confiscation would work. When you compare to other countries, why don't you consider they implemented that instead of reaching for placebo laws?

No, a ban would actually be unconstitutional, and indeed radical, and it's really the pipe dream of "the right" when it comes to "the left", and pretty much precluded since Heller. As far as other countries, depend on the country. This is Australia after 1996, for example: https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/12/6/365
Norway has also a storied gun culture, yet they're successfully regulated and enforced: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Norway

None of those might fit with the US 1:1, but we could learn a thing or two of what worked for them, and see what can be applied here within the framework for the 2A.

[QUOTE=DMC;10746108]It's been revised several times. I don't know that they got it right, per se. There weren't a rash of machine gun murders happening, people weren't being slaughtered by suppressed weapons or short barrel rifles and AOWs. They banned nothing as far as citizens are concerned, they just stuck a tax stamp on it (which at the time was crippling to people trying to survive) mostly to keep people from owning the guns and from shooting deer. You could buy a Thompson subgun with a drum magazine in a hardware store back then.

But there's no ambiguity in the language, at least that's what you said (and I agree), so I guess that's not something to be worried about, which was your concern here.


That's how democracy works.

That's ok, but then when it's pointed out that the reason we have no meaningful change in this area and the bodies keep piling up is largely due to "the right" in Congress, there shouldn't be any reason to be defensive about it (as seen ITT).


SCOTUS refused to hear the case.

Which means the case continues in the lower courts, until it reaches the SCOTUS again provided everybody continues to appeal.


Force your way through. It could be done if you didn't have people in your ranks who weren't with the program.

I rather build consensus. Because I do think that's the better way to proceed.


You actually did. You said they care more about the NRA than about the actual guns. Again, you could be talking about officials, in which case you're probably right. You don't seem to define who you're talking about when you say "the right". There are plenty people who vote conservative who aren't members of the NRA, but still own guns. I get it that the narrative is so much easier if the caricatures are cleanly laid out, but RL doesn't work like that. It might be a losing race, but who wins? You've already acknowledged the left can't get shit done. Is the political landscape ripe for a third party with hybrid values?
Sure and congress can always just vote majority needed to do away with any amendment. They've done it with certain ones. The odds are against it and I wouldn't wait around for it.

Oh that. I'm grossly generalizing like when you use the term "the left". You don't define that either. And yes, in that case I was specifically talking about politicos.

"The left" can't get it done with the current makeup, but that's not static. They've already got it done with slick willy back in the day, it's only a matter of time until they get it done again, and if they get it only 20% right, it'll be hard for "the right" to come up with reasons to go back.


Who says it wasn't already started years ago. Why is it new every time we have an event?

Every event is a reminder on how things never get done, and the perennial long line of excuses from "the right" on why "nothing can be done about this".


But you said these things are distractions. Do you not agree that sensationalizing mass murder creates copycats looking for the moment? Is the 1st Amendment completely off the table?

This is really your response to: But the proposals here weren't just about guns. We talked about mental health as well, but when it comes to "mental health that might preclude you from owning a gun", then it's back to square zero. That's not "the left" doing that, BTW.?

Mental health is a distraction? I said that? link?


Same congress that won't consider passing gun laws. That's the point. If the gripe is the cost, you have to decide who's more important with the funds you have, them or us. They decided. Their platitudes ring hollow as their spending goes elsewhere.

Which then makes it correct to point out this indeed is a problem with "the right" in Congress. "The left" in Congress voted up assistance to "us". Would be nice if "the right" would also get onboard.


These threads are a microcosm of just why they don't agree. "It's the guns, has to be the guns, we have to control guns more"... "no it's the way media sensationalizes murders, it's the upbringing, it's the lack of family values, it's the lack tribe - the loner since birth types" ... "If you take away the guns the other stuff doesn't matter" ... "But the 2A say we have a right to have guns... so look elsewhere" ... "You're just impossible, I'm going on break".

I agree it is a microcosm in the sense that "guns are off the table". That intransigent position is untenable in the long run while these events keep happening. It doesn't have to be just the guns, but guns have to be part of the conversation.


There's no way to know damage has been reduced without a parallel universe where your change didn't happen. How many schools weren't shot up because of something the school put in place? There's no way to know. I cannot imagine anyone saying "yeah they shot up the place but the damage has been reduced". If there's even one dead kid, it will not be looked at as reduced damage.

Also unmeasurable.

False. We have historical statistical data to compare against. We use this to track the effectiveness of a lot of things? This is easily the poorest excuse.


In each instance gunmen entered uninvited and killed innocent people who are not combatants.

Sure, which is a crime, and order was restored immediately after. Again, Uvalde, TX is not a war zone. Under that premise, everywhere where there's a crime it's a warzone, and that's just not true.


By addressing guns, right? Not the other distractions like factors the left wants to protect, like their right to capitalize on those deaths through ad revenue generated from plastering the information for days with every detail they can find, that's just capitalism. Freedom of the press!

By addressing guns and everything that surrounds it, like mental health. The rest are indeed distractions. It's both media from "the left" and "the right" that evenly cover the news, but it's a cop-out. The media hasn't killed anybody.


You've only approached this multifaceted issue as a gun issue with a very brief jaunt into the mental illness arena. This is what the right sees from the left - opportunists who want to capitalize on the deaths of children to get legislation through to remove constitutional rights, but doing nothing to address underlying issues. I doubt people are sitting around in France thinking "man, if I could just get my hands on a gun I'd shoot all these kindergartners". There are some very different dynamics in this country where people want to grief society as much as possible, be it with a gun or any other instrument they can use, they get off on it.

Because guns do matter, and we do have ample evidence that they do comparatively with other countries. You might doubt people are sitting around in France or anywhere thinking whatever, but they actually do, because they did have incidents like this (though rare), which drove further reforms.
That's called actually recognizing a problem, and addressing it. The only thing the 2A guarantees as a right is that you can own weapons, period. As long as that right isn't infringed, there's no removal of any constitutional right.


This is left up to the states and AFAIK, every state has provisions to keep guns away from people who have been diagnosed as being mentally ill.
If you just mean people you think are mentally ill, that's a problem because a person cannot be denied their rights through unsubstantiated claims. As it stands, TROs walk a fine line in that area.

Well then, it's time to make a federal standard and enforce it, because this haphazard of regulations (like in Texas) clearly isn't working.
So instead of continually coming up with excuses not to do anything, come down to the table and let's see what can get done.


States also have gun regulations. DC has many of the restrictions you suggest above, however the gun related fatalities per capita are almost 2x that of Texas. If these work, why don't they work in DC? (hint: it's not the gun)

DC isn't a state, it's a district. When taken as a whole state, either via Virginia or Maryland, it's comparable with Texas. But here's the thing:

Firearm Mortality by State:
Mississippi, Louisiana, Wyoming, Missouri, Alabama, Alaska, New Mexico, Arkansas, South Carolina, Tennessee, Montana, Oklahoma, Kentucky

Gun Ownership by State:
Montana, Wyoming, Alaska, Idaho, West Virginia, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, South Dakota, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Louisiana, Tennessee

Guns are not the only problem, but they are part of the problem. They need to be part of any conversation when addressing this.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-ownership-by-state


Either way, this has devolved into just another party bashing thread plus it's too long.

Appreciate the back and forth.

Likewise.

[DMC]

Let's send them to a federal prison, they have all that already... nevermind that doesn't address mass shooting like in Vegas, for example.

Pathetic all around.

No one considers a military base to be a federal prison yet it has the same provisions I listed. Prisons keep people in, not out even though they can do both. So it's more important to have aesthetic value than to be secure? Is the WH a prison? You cannot just casually carry an AR-15 there.

[ElNono]

No one considers a military base to be a federal prison yet it has the same provisions I listed. Prisons keep people in, not out even though they can do both. So it's more important to have aesthetic value than to be secure? Is the WH a prison? You cannot just casually carry an AR-15 there.

Nobody considers a military base a civilian building either...

[SnakeBoy]

Steve Kerr is sick and tired of Biden's America

[Dick Jones]

Steve Kerr is sick and tired of Biden's America

Snakeboy whenever children die and it means he can “troll” the libs on SpursTalk

https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/amB41ed_700b.jpg

[DMC]

lol

snowflake parents who bitched and moaned about wearing a fucking mask to contribute to the safety of others and bitched and moaned and whined about teachers allowing their kids to learn the truth about amerikkkas history

are suddenly going to “suck it up” and allow their kids to be screened, searched, and inspected every day before entering/leaving a school?


hahahahahahaha!

Yeah kid deaths are funny.

[DMC]

Nobody considers a military base a civilian building either...

Why does this matter?

[Spurminator]

Republicans stormed school board hearings like rabid hyenas over kids wearing masks but think turning schools into prisons is a reasonable option.

[ChumpDumper]

So now killers can just sit outside and spray bullets into the crowd of kids waiting to get in the one fortified entrance.

All for $100 billion!

[ElNono]

Why does this matter?

Because we're discussing sending civilian children there.

[ElNono]

So now killers can just sit outside and spray bullets into the crowd of kids waiting to get in the one fortified entrance.

All for $100 billion!

You don't even need the federal government for that!

[koriwhat]

Did your hero- Cucker Tarlson spoon feed you this propaganda?


Would you prefer we allow Russia to move on to Europe and continue taking countries - so you can cry LATER that we should have stopped them sooner?

Fucking moron.

Lmao I don't watch the "news" and def not the Donna Brazille HR FOXNEWS. You're such a dumbshit SH.

[pgardn]

Let's send them to a federal prison, they have all that already... nevermind that doesn't address mass shooting like in Vegas, for example.

Pathetic all around.

This basically sums up the arguments.
Immediately go from a school to a shooter in Vegas up in a hotel room and make a false equivalence.

"Well shit, that's not covered in my suggestion of turning schools into military bases.
So the problem is too damn difficult, it also does not cover cars running into crowds, lets do zero concerning guns"

[Spurminator]

Seems like there's something we can do to keep depressed 18 year olds from buying heavy artillery* on credit that's easier than any of the proposed school security options.



*Acknowledging that faggot gun nerds will probably take issue with my calling an AR-15 "heavy artillery" because of their stupid definition no one cares about.

[pgardn]

Fascists aren't demons, they are regular folks like you and me.

Which article, btw? Did I send it to you?

I actually found it. It concerned the high prices of lumber.
And I thought you found it and sent it via mail so I really gave a "thanks for the effort" in the post above but then reading the mail I realized you did not find the article.
Now, I subsequently cannot find it. I had to look through a big thread topic iirc.
Anyways the supply line problems at different points gave me a weird sorta de ja vu moment with biochemical pathways working a lot like this so I wanted to read it again.
But... I cant fkn find it now.

It basically blamed the lumber shortage on a number of factors: insects, lack of saw mills, time it takes to construct a saw mill, covid demand for remodeling, etc... and different elements in the path got blocked in different ways at different times and then you sort of had a negative feedback type situation which is really why I wanted to re read it. So if you do find it... And Im still looking because it was really interesting.

[Dick Jones]

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[pgardn]

Seems like there's something we can do to keep depressed 18 year olds from buying heavy artillery* on credit that's easier than any of the proposed school security options.



*Acknowledging that faggot gun nerds will probably take issue with my calling an AR-15 "heavy artillery" because of their stupid definition no one cares about.

I think the military has a more potent version, M-5, either in planning or maybe some produced. So we might be seeing said Nerds wacking off to this wanting to be the first to own one. This version apparently delivers a larger piece of metal so that when the common robber enters our home we can spray the entire neighborhood with this thing as it apparently can penetrate pretty significant barriers.

Defensive system upgrade.
Coming soon.
Be the first on your block to pretend its your peanuts.

[ducks]

Drinking drink is illegal
That did not stop Nancy husband
Tell me why more laws are going to stop bad people not getting thinks to kill people

[ducks]

Texting and driving is illegal
Should USA raise the limit to smart cell phones to 21 ?

[benefactor]

Texting and driving is illegal
Should USA raise the limit to smart cell phones to 21 ?
Every time you post your dead son does a full revolution in his grave

[DMC]

Because we're discussing sending civilian children there.

That's funny, because what used to be Lowry in Denver is now civilian housing. Same is true for other bases that closed. I guess people didn't mind, plus most bases have normal houses on them. You don't need to paint the building camo, or wear BDU's. Just high fence and a security booth with restricted gate access. It's odd that the Dominion has more security than an elementary school.

[DMC]

Texting and driving is illegal
Should USA raise the limit to smart cell phones to 21 ?

It's actually a good idea to raise the limit of gun ownership to 21. It doesn't stop an 18 year old from possessing a firearm as long as they are accompanied by someone over 21. I mean, a beer? 21! A semiauto rifle? What could it hurt, have two at 18.

[ducks]

Florida teenager charged with DUI after driving 70 mph over the speed limit
The teenager allegedly had a blood-alcohol level of .13

Ban beer and teenage drivers !
Left thinking

[ducks]

It's actually a good idea to raise the limit of gun ownership to 21. It doesn't stop an 18 year old from possessing a firearm as long as they are accompanied by someone over 21. I mean, a beer? 21! A semiauto rifle? What could it hurt, have two at 18.

I am not against 21 on that…..

[Blake]

^ "Is a review."

I don't get it.


one star

Lol yeah I admit that one went over my head too on first glance

[Blake]

Christian Dominionism is real. They need the guns to manifest God's will on earth.

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I knew it wouldn't be long before "guns and prayers" would find it's way to a writer's keyboard

[DMC]

"Bear arms" wasn't a synonym for "carry weapons" in 1787, it referred to military service.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/

https://repository.law.umich.edu/mlr/vol105/iss4/2/
So the right to be in the military. Sure. You should forward that to the supreme court post haste.

Both of these are Adam Winkler. What's the point?

[Blake]

So now killers can just sit outside and spray bullets into the crowd of kids waiting to get in the one fortified entrance.

All for $100 billion!

All buses should have one bus entrance with bullet proof windows and routine K9 inspections.

The state can do this!

[Blake]

Florida teenager charged with DUI after driving 70 mph over the speed limit
The teenager allegedly had a blood-alcohol level of .13

Ban beer and teenage drivers !
Left thinking

Alt right retard false equivalence

[Blake]

Lmao I don't watch the "news" and def not the Donna Brazille HR FOXNEWS. You're such a dumbshit SH.

Where do you get your info from?

[DMC]

All buses should have one bus entrance with bullet proof windows and routine K9 inspections.

The state can do this!
Shocker, Blake uses a strawman.

Hardening a target doesn't include hardening the entire district. If kids cannot make it to school because someone guns them down on the way, that's a whole different issue. Of course you know this, you just want to leverage the death of kids to score points with your coattail owner.

[Blake]

Shocker, Blake uses a strawman.

Hardening a target doesn't include hardening the entire district. If kids cannot make it to school because someone guns them down on the way, that's a whole different issue. Of course you know this, you just want to leverage the death of kids to score points with your coattail owner.

Lol why is it a different issue? It's a guy with an AR-15 mowing kids down on a bus that pulls up on to school grounds. What's the difference?

Would it help if I said "outside on the playground"?

[TimDunkem]

lol

snowflake parents who bitched and moaned about wearing a fucking mask to contribute to the safety of others and bitched and moaned and whined about teachers allowing their kids to learn the truth about amerikkkas history

are suddenly going to “suck it up” and allow their kids to be screened, searched, and inspected every day before entering/leaving a school?


hahahahahahaha!
While also suggesting that those same teachers carry guns to protect their kids. :lol

[Winehole23]

How meek.

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[SnakeBoy]

How meek.

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Dems don't want gun control, they want the gun control issue.

[Winehole23]

Dems don't want gun control, they want the gun control issue.Sooner sell it to the voters to get elected than do anything about it. -- that's plausible.

[daboom1]

https://i.ibb.co/bQPznKQ/20220530-000358.jpg

[koriwhat]

Every time you post your dead son does a full revolution in his grave

No one cares what you have to say bro. You literally stalk men on Facebook and brag about it here. You're a fucking weirdo.

[ElNono]

That's funny, because what used to be Lowry in Denver is now civilian housing. Same is true for other bases that closed. I guess people didn't mind, plus most bases have normal houses on them. You don't need to paint the building camo, or wear BDU's. Just high fence and a security booth with restricted gate access. It's odd that the Dominion has more security than an elementary school.

The key part there is: they're no longer military bases. ie: they don't have all the things you said military bases have to counter this problem.

Sorry, but building military-base type of security for schools due to, mainly, random/external threats isn't a solution to this problem. This does nothing to address things like mental health. It's just kicking the can forward.

[ElNono]

Next up is bulletproof vest for children...

[Blake]

Just high fence and a security booth with restricted gate access. It's odd that the Dominion has more security than an elementary school.

Dmc thinks it's odd that SA's most notable upscale gated community has more security than a public elementary school.

[Blake]

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[ducks]

Deadly Nebraska crash: At least 2 dead, 19 injured after cars slam into pedestrian crowd

[TimDunkem]

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Sensible measures. :tu

[CosmicCowboy]

An interesting statistic to remember while everyone loses their shit on "assault rifles" is they are only used in 3% of the murders in the US. I am not advocating. I was just curious and looked it up.

[boutons_deux]

Next up is bulletproof vest for children...

Yes, bulletproof backpacks are insufficient silliness

[DMC]

The key part there is: they're no longer military bases. ie: they don't have all the things you said military bases have to counter this problem.

Sorry, but building military-base type of security for schools due to, mainly, random/external threats isn't a solution to this problem. This does nothing to address things like mental health. It's just kicking the can forward.

You said the buildings didn't look like civilians buildings. Stay in one lane or the other. Many high end schools already have better security (hell, my house has better security) than the Uvalde school had. Many are fenced and gated with a guard booth entering the property and a guard station entering the building. Do you think these high end, affluent and exclusive gated communities are military looking? We already know the dems won't do shit regardless, just talk and hug, point and promise. States can act though, as can city councils.

If you think someone might come kill you in your home, do you beef up your own security or hope a bill passes to remove guns before that happens?

[DMC]

An interesting statistic to remember while everyone loses their shit on "assault rifles" is they are only used in 3% of the murders in the US. I am not advocating. I was just curious and looked it up.

This is why the legislation should focus on firearms in general, but they won't because placebo legislation is the salve for the ignorant.

[DMC]

Dmc thinks it's odd that SA's most notable upscale gated community has more security than a public elementary school.

It's odd that dumb shits like you think security = prison unless it's an upscale gated community.

[DMC]

Next up is bulletproof vest for children...

If you could go back in time and put bullet proof vests on those kids that day, would you?

[ChumpDumper]

Schoolkids shouldn't be in prisons -- they should be in armed military bases that function as prisons!

[DMC]

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Wasn't someone here saying that Dems wait for an event like this then try to push quick legislation? Of course they did.

[DMC]

I see Mr "literally shaking right now" is still sniffing my farts

[Thread]

Wasn't someone here saying that Dems wait for an event like this then try to push quick legislation? Of course they did.

Exactly. That's why we've got to stand fast in the ranks and this too will pass. State run media CNN is maniacal; they can smell blood in the water.

- "Careful."

- "John Coffey" - "The Green Mile"

[ChumpDumper]

I see Mr "literally shaking right now" is still sniffing my farts

:lol You're still hiding from me, tough guy. We know who's shook.

Do you feel secure?

Are you armed when you post?

[Spurs Homer]

:lol You're still hiding from me, tough guy. We know who's shook.

Do you feel secure?

Are you armed when you post?

lol

he holds his assault rifle- right before clicking on “reply”

cue the “assault” rifle argument now

[Blake]

Deadly Nebraska crash: At least 2 dead, 19 injured after cars slam into pedestrian crowd

Yeah I mean the shooter in uvalde could have just as easily driven his car down the school hallways and into the classrooms

[Blake]

If you could go back in time and put bullet proof vests on those kids that day, would you?

No, if I could go back in time I'd stop the shooter.

Much easier than trying to bullet proof every school kid in America every day of the week forever.