Another school shooting?

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If instead of walking into a shop and buying his military weapons, 7 30-round clips and walking out 20 minutes later he had to go through a process to have his weapon of war, there'd be 19 kids alive today.

Ramos: hi I'd like to buy all this shit

Gun shop: ok, fill out this form, we'll start looking for an insurance policy which is going to cost another $4k/gun/year paid up front, and in 30 days you can go pickup all your shit at the training center where you will undergo a psychiatric evaluation

Result: 19 children enjoying their summer break

Nope, uh, uh. Given an inch you'd take the entire mile and then stand down there at mile's end skinnin' & grinnin'. No.

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Boss Manchin

[monosylab1k]

They are tons of drug deaths yearly with laws saying no drugs
But gun laws will make no gun deaths per liberal thinking

lol people in this thread who very obviously feel like they are light years more intelligent than ducks are using the exact same logic :lmao

[Leetonidas]

They are tons of drug deaths yearly with laws saying no drugs
But gun laws will make no gun deaths per liberal thinking

Lmao you thought this was a good point. You're so fucking stupid :lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

You honestly think that law would fail over discussions of "white privilege?" :lol

Who do you think votes against gun control legislation?

Your new "war on guns" would just replace the failed "war on drugs" that put a disproportionate number of blacks and minorities in prison. You are nuts if you think there wouldn't be a backlash to your elitist plan.

[Splits]

You honestly think that a new law that just stinks of white privilege could get passed?

Gotta start somewhere unless you're ok with the status quo. It's a perfect compromise actually. The left gets a reduction in mass shootings, the right gets more minorities in jail + "muh Chicago"

[Spurminator]

Your new "war on guns" would just replace the failed "war on drugs" that put a disproportionate number of blacks and minorities in prison. You are nuts if you think there wouldn't be a backlash to your elitist plan.

I don't know of a single leftist SJW type who is against gun control because of the degree to which it would disproportionally keep guns out of the hands of minorities. The types of people who would normally be loudest about "white privilege" are the ones who are loudest today about banning guns.

But even if you are right (you're not), I'd rather see leftist navel gazers bitching on Twitter about gun criminals being locked up than see parents of 19 dead children having to identify their bodies at an elementary school.

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I don't know of a single leftist SJW type who is against gun control because of the degree to which it would disproportionally keep guns out of the hands of minorities. The types of people who would normally be loudest about "white privilege" are the ones who are loudest today about banning guns.

But even if you are right (you're not), I'd rather see leftist navel gazers bitching on Twitter about gun criminals being locked up than see parents of 19 dead children having to identify their bodies at an elementary school.

...as long as their remains a decent proportionate of colored to white shooters I'll sustain.

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't know of a single leftist SJW type who is against gun control because of the degree to which it would disproportionally keep guns out of the hands of minorities. The types of people who would normally be loudest about "white privilege" are the ones who are loudest today about banning guns.

But even if you are right (you're not), I'd rather see leftist navel gazers bitching on Twitter about gun criminals being locked up than see parents of 19 dead children having to identify their bodies at an elementary school.

Im not talking about criminals. Im talking about otherwise law abiding citizens that already have guns that couldnt afford splits new plan but wouldn't want to surrender their guns. You just turned productive citizens into criminals.

[Spurminator]

Im not talking about criminals. Im talking about otherwise law abiding citizens that already have guns that couldnt afford splits new plan but wouldn't want to surrender their guns. You just turned productive citizens into criminals.

Start a charity then to provide assistance for lower income gun owners to meet the requirements. Or build financial assistance and fee forgiveness into the process.

[CosmicCowboy]

Start a charity then to provide assistance for lower income gun owners to meet the requirements. Or build financial assistance and fee forgiveness into the process.

Who buys them those $4000 a year insurance policies?

[Spurminator]

Lmao you thought this was a good point. You're so fucking stupid :lmao

ducks could run for office in the 2022 Republican Party and win his primary.

[Spurminator]

Who buys them those $4000 a year insurance policies?

There are already low-income insurance solutions in every other situation where insurance is required.

I don't care where the money comes from. It's about the process.

[diego]

Background checks, mental health programs, and gun insurance seem like obvious solutions that should gather support from the entire community, but apparently they are too expensive, discriminatory, and not 100% effective therefore it's better to just let people die at the hands of crazy people armed for battle..
You know, just like everywhere else where this doesn't happen

Also :lol at the religion/family argument.. the left didn't topple any religion, they toppled themselves with their hypocrisy. Either way, regardless who destroyed what, those phenomena are not unique to the US the way mass shootings are

[CosmicCowboy]

There are already low-income insurance solutions in every other situation where insurance is required.

I don't care where the money comes from. It's about the process.

:lol

Laws are about process

[CosmicCowboy]

The last two school shooters would have had subsidized guns with that plan because they didn't have criminal records and passed the Federal background check.

[Blake]

So the guy grew up in a home where mom was a drug addicted which is against law
He finally got out of their and lived with his grandmother

He never really had a good home situation

Guns have always been around but more home family lives were better. One parent was always home with kids and teaching kids not babysitters

And then legally bought an AR

[Blake]

Background checks, mental health programs, and gun insurance seem like obvious solutions that should gather support from the entire community, but apparently they are too expensive, discriminatory, and not 100% effective therefore it's better to just let people die at the hands of crazy people armed for battle..
You know, just like everywhere else where this doesn't happen

Also :lol at the religion/family argument.. the left didn't topple any religion, they toppled themselves with their hypocrisy. Either way, regardless who destroyed what, those phenomena are not unique to the US the way mass shootings are

Guns and prayers

[Splits]

Who buys them those $4000 a year insurance policies?

You're conflating the woman who owns a single hand gun for protection with small-dick preppers like DMC who feel the need to stockpile ARs in case of nuclear apocalypse. The single handgun owner who doesn't have a record and is mentally stable wouldn't be out more than a couple hundred bucks a year for the training and insurance. The Ramos' of the world wouldn't be able to afford to walk into a store on his 18th birthday and walk out with 2 ARs

[clambake]

Who buys them those $4000 a year insurance policies?

How about the NRA

[Spurminator]

The last two school shooters would have had subsidized guns with that plan because they didn't have criminal records and passed the Federal background check.

No one said anything about subsidizing their guns, and you don't know anything about what a background check would entail.

Also, they were both 18, so automatically disqualified by the age limit moving back to 21.

[Blake]

ducks could run for office in the 2022 Republican Party and win his primary.

A primary debate between him and Herschel would be awesome

[Spurminator]

A primary debate between him and Herschel would be awesome

I'd have to take your word for it, I wouldn't put myself through watching that amount baffling mental retardation on display. Too depressing.

[Splits]

We should banish car insurance because it is discriminatory against shitty drivers, and put the burden on the general population to pay for car accidents. Or make the victims GoFundMe.

How many millions of $$ is being spent right now on police, FBI, ATF, doctors, who knows what else as a result of what happened? Why should that burden be put on the taxpayer and not the gun owner via insurance?

[Spurs Homer]

You did that when you denied President Trump his Presidency You thought you'd walk a way unscathed and return to the fore. Uh, uh.

Your regrets are your own. I've no sympathy for you.

you re-writing history does not fool anyone

the piece of shit sold out to our worst enemy and they held his hand and helped him into the oval office

none of your faux outrage or faux equivocation will ever change the facts

[ChumpDumper]

So the guy grew up in a home where mom was a drug addicted which is against law
He finally got out of their and lived with his grandmother

He never really had a good home situation

Guns have always been around but more home family lives were better. One parent was always home with kids and teaching kids not babysitters

Drug addiction is so not against the law.

Stop trying to teach your children.

[Splits]

A Border Patrol agent who was working nearby when the shooting began rushed into the school without waiting for backup and shot and killed the gunman, who was behind a barricade, according to a law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about it.


Notice it doesn't say "transgender mixed race human rights activist and gender studies major hurled sourdough at the shooter who then died of a gluten attack"


The suspect was immediately engaged outside the building as he approached the school by a Uvalde Independent School District police officer, who was shot by the suspect, the sources said. After that, the suspect entered the school, barricaded himself in a classroom and allegedly opened fire, killing 18 students, who were mainly third- and fourth-graders, as well as one teacher, the sources said.

There, he traded gunfire with Uvalde ISD officer and Border Patrol Tactical Unit agents, a number of whom have children who attend the school, according to the sources. The Border Patrol agents responded to a law enforcement request for assistance.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/texas-elementary-school-reports-active-shooter-campus/story?id=84940951

Notice it doesn't say "A Border Patrol agent who was working nearby when the shooting began rushed into the school without waiting for backup and shot and killed the gunman"

[SnakeBoy]

you re-writing history does not fool anyone

the piece of shit sold out to our worst enemy and they held his hand and helped him into the oval office

none of your faux outrage or faux equivocation will ever change the facts

Trump stomped that bitch down fair and square. His destruction of her was so complete you libs won't even say her name :lol.

[ducks]

Drug addiction is so not against the law.

Stop trying to teach your children.

Yes public school is doing so much better
Not

[ChumpDumper]

Yes public school is doing so much better
NotPublic schools don't teach that drug addiction is against the law.

[Spurs Homer]

Laws are designed to punish law breakers. If possible punishment was really a deterrent to crime we wouldn't have any crime. Murder is already illegal but it doesn't stop them.

so, if we make murder legal-

do you suppose the number of murders increase or decrease?

If we strip away that penalty- do you suppose people would commit murder more easily?

same with guns- you will never stop these incidents 100 percent- but we are not even TRYING to lessen the incidents at this time

gov abbot spent the last year making it EASIER to acquire arsenals…
you think this is the answer?

[TimDunkem]

Abbott currently speaking in Uvalde wearing his police cosplay asking people to send their thoughts and prayers and donate to the families.

[ChumpDumper]

Abbott currently speaking in Uvalde wearing his police cosplay asking people to send their thoughts and prayers.

These pressers are always pathetic concern trolls.

Muh mental health.

[TimDunkem]

These pressers are always pathetic concern trolls.

Muh mental health.
"Redoubling down" on mental health. :lmao

Yeah sure. That'll stop people like the shooter who had no known history of mental illness, and easily bought weapons of war the second he turned 18. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Did Beto just rush the stage?

:lol have no idea why Dan Patrick has to say anything in the first place.

[TimDunkem]

Holy shit. Beto calling out Abbott to his face. Buttlicker in chief Patrick calling him a sick son of a bitch. :lmao

[Spurs Homer]

lolololololol



BETO

just walked up to the shit-fest governor and lt gov were perpetrating

and called them out right before dan patrick started talking



looked like Beto?
CNN

[RandomGuy]

Trump stomped that bitch down fair and square. His destruction of her was so complete you libs won't even say her name :lol.

The core of modern conservatism is violence, dishonesty, and greed.

[TimDunkem]

Abbott showing more emotion about Beto than the massacred kids.

[Spurs Homer]

Abbot trying to say “its about the people suffereing”


after he literally opened the gun store to anyone and allowed ANYONE to carry at ANY TIME


lolololol

[RandomGuy]

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/texas-elementary-school-reports-active-shooter-campus/story?id=84940951

Notice it doesn't say "A Border Patrol agent who was working nearby when the shooting began rushed into the school without waiting for backup and shot and killed the gunman"

Googled it. Quote pops up on fox news and new york post.

:lol Conservative mainstream media.

[RandomGuy]

Im not talking about criminals. Im talking about otherwise law abiding citizens that already have guns that couldnt afford splits new plan but wouldn't want to surrender their guns. You just turned productive citizens into criminals.

Meh. The right would do the same in a heartbeat bill.

[RandomGuy]

A Border Patrol agent who was working nearby when the shooting began rushed into the school without waiting for backup and shot and killed the gunman, who was behind a barricade, according to a law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about it.


Notice it doesn't say "transgender mixed race human rights activist and gender studies major hurled sourdough at the shooter who then died of a gluten attack"


"We know already fool. It's a transsexual leftist illegal alien named Salvatore Ramos. It's apparently your kind of trash,"

The core of modern conservatism is violence, dishonesty, and greed.

[RandomGuy]

Im talking about otherwise law abiding citizens

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/MhtyzPIdCPe4.DjWYUryBw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTM5Ng--/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/qMTchoCS1ettWkU9Mm4knA--~B/aD02NTg7dz0xMTcwO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/thedailybeast.com/4699b9f9dfa037e97284e9a03680d5a1


bought two assault rifles just after his birthday this month

He was law abiding, right up to the point where he wasn't.

smh.

"we can't do anything about this, it is just too hard"

Fuck off with that bullshit. We can and should do something. many things.

The right wing has been so captured by what what is essentially the gun manufacturing lobby propaganda arm (NRA) they have made it into a bizarro fetish.



sooooo now what?

[SpursforSix]

sandy hook was a 20 year old iirc

Yeah...you're right. I can't believe that didn't come to my mind immediately. I guess I always think of Columbine where the kids had grudges. What grudge could a young adult have with a bunch of children.
As shitty as I feel, I can't imagine having a young child today and having to worry about this shit. When my daughter was in school, they had cops at each of the two entrances. But that's really not much deterrent.

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lolololololol



BETO

just walked up to the shit-fest governor and lt gov were perpetrating

and called them out right before dan patrick started talking



looked like Beto?
CNN

Beto, seachrin' high & low for votes among 19 dead children.

Beto

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https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/MhtyzPIdCPe4.DjWYUryBw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTM5Ng--/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/qMTchoCS1ettWkU9Mm4knA--~B/aD02NTg7dz0xMTcwO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/thedailybeast.com/4699b9f9dfa037e97284e9a03680d5a1


He was law abiding, right up to the point where he wasn't.

smh.

"we can't do anything about this, it is just too hard"

Fuck off with that bullshit. We can and should do something. many things.

The right wing has been so captured by what what is essentially the gun manufacturing lobby propaganda arm (NRA) they have made it into a bizarro fetish.



sooooo now what?

...just be grateful he ain't white, Rarg.

[Winehole23]

Yeah...you're right. I can't believe that didn't come to my mind immediately. I guess I always think of Columbine where the kids had grudges. What grudge could a young adult have with a bunch of children.
As shitty as I feel, I can't imagine having a young child today and having to worry about this shit. When my daughter was in school, they had cops at each of the two entrances. But that's really not much deterrent.ran and hid until the shooting was over at Stoneman-Douglas High

[Spurs Homer]

Good for Beto

expose these fucking nazis

[Winehole23]

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Lookin' for votes.

Beto

[Blake]

so, if we make murder legal-

do you suppose the number of murders increase or decrease?

If we strip away that penalty- do you suppose people would commit murder more easily?

same with guns- you will never stop these incidents 100 percent- but we are not even TRYING to lessen the incidents at this time

gov abbot spent the last year making it EASIER to acquire arsenals…
you think this is the answer?

This question will be ignored

[CosmicCowboy]

so, if we make murder legal-

do you suppose the number of murders increase or decrease?

If we strip away that penalty- do you suppose people would commit murder more easily?

same with guns- you will never stop these incidents 100 percent- but we are not even TRYING to lessen the incidents at this time

gov abbot spent the last year making it EASIER to acquire arsenals…
you think this is the answer?

I never said we should do away with laws against murder, dumbfuck. Try to keep up.

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This question will be ignored

Bend over. I'll show ya fuckin' ignored.

[spurraider21]

Yeah...you're right. I can't believe that didn't come to my mind immediately. I guess I always think of Columbine where the kids had grudges. What grudge could a young adult have with a bunch of children.
As shitty as I feel, I can't imagine having a young child today and having to worry about this shit. When my daughter was in school, they had cops at each of the two entrances. But that's really not much deterrent.
easy to confuse all these school shootings tbh

i still have several years before kindergarten age to worry about, tho little one is about to start going to daycare in a couple months

[Blake]

Abbott showing more emotion about Beto than the massacred kids.

Guns and prayers go out to the victims families

[Blake]

This question will be ignored


I never said we should do away with laws against murder, dumbfuck. Try to keep up.

Called it

[spurraider21]

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[Blake]

I never said we should do away with laws against murder, dumbfuck. Try to keep up.

If laws don't keep evil people from doing evil things then what's the point? Keep up with your claims.

[TimDunkem]

A lot of talking in this Abbott/Border Patrol slurpfest about these 17 bills signed by Hot Wheels on school safety and mental health, but zero talk on the proliferation of weapons of war that cause schools to need shooter drills and subsidies for more security measures, or the fact that the shooter had no known issues with his mental health which allowed him to buy his weapons.

Seems the common denominator is that guns are everywhere and too easy to obtain.

[CosmicCowboy]

If laws don't keep evil people from doing evil things then what's the point? Keep up with your claims.



Did the laws against murder stop the school shooter?

Law are there to punish the ones that break the law after the fact.

You are too stupid to participate in this discussion.

[spurraider21]

Did the laws against murder stop the school shooter?

Law are there to punish the ones that break the law after the fact.

You are too stupid to participate in this discussion.
do you think that if they legalized murder, that we would not see any uptick in homicides?

[CosmicCowboy]

do you think that if they legalized murder, that we would not see any uptick in homicides?

No one is talking about legalizing murder, but nice goal post move.

Laws do not deter criminals that are determined to break the law. You can't possibly argue that.

[Blake]

Abbott currently speaking in Uvalde wearing his police cosplay asking people to send their thoughts and prayers and donate to the families.

Guns and prayers

[TeyshaBlue]

For starters, a well-regulated militia would include:

Every gun owner must take federally mandated training, tailored to the gun they own, includes mental health check. Must repeat every 2 years

30 day waiting period on new gun purchases

Private gun sales must go through federal broker, also subject to 30 day waiting period

Ban clips larger than 10, confiscate anything larger

Limit ammo purchases everywhere except shooting ranges. Can rent larger clips at the shooting range. Cannot take ammo or large clips from shooting ranges home with you

Raise minimum age of gun ownership to 21

Must carry gun insurance. Insurance company financially liable for any crime committed with said gun

Gun owners are criminally liable if their gun is used in a crime, or accidental shooting by a child, and they are shown to have not properly protected it (locked in safe for example)

Ban military-style protective armor

+10, Splits. I'm in. :tu

[Blake]

No one is talking about legalizing murder, but nice goal post move.

Laws do not deter criminals that are determined to break the law. You can't possibly argue that.

You're the one claiming the laws don't work to stop evil. If something's not against the law by default it's legal.

[CosmicCowboy]

You're the one claiming the laws don't work to stop evil. If something's not against the law by default it's legal.

God you are stupid. It is totally self evident that laws against murder didn't stop the school shooter. Had he survived the attack, however, the law would have allowed us to punish him. Laws against speeding don't stop people from speeding but they allow the government to give tickets and fines when they are caught. Saying that laws don't stop criminals is not the same as saying we don't need laws.

[leemajors]

God you are stupid. It is totally self evident that laws against murder didn't stop the school shooter. Had he survived the attack, however, the law would have allowed us to punish him. Laws against speeding don't stop people from speeding but they allow the government to give tickets and fines when they are caught. Saying that laws don't stop criminals is not the same as saying we don't need laws.

Didn't you bring up a "war on guns" when no one said anything about making them illegal?

[SnakeBoy]

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What a piece of shit trying to campaign at that event

[CosmicCowboy]

Didn't you bring up a "war on guns" when no one said anything about making them illegal?

it was a linguistic comparison to the war on drugs. And several in here have advocated making guns, or at least certain guns, magazines, ammo, etc. illegal.

[SnakeBoy]

Whinehole said hell yeah he's gonna take our guns

[spurraider21]

No one is talking about legalizing murder, but nice goal post move.

Laws do not deter criminals that are determined to break the law. You can't possibly argue that.
its not a goalpost move at all. the principle being discussed is whether laws deter actions.

so i'll ask again in another way. do you think that if we legalized rape, more people would get raped?

[monosylab1k]

Laws do not deter criminals that are determined to break the law. You can't possibly argue that.

Makes you wonder why they spend so much money advertising the penalties for driving drunk. Not gonna deter anybody, that’s for sure.

[spurraider21]

astonishing to me that people will try to argue that laws are not meant as a deterrent for unwanted behavior. theres no way people actually believe it, they're just doing human pretzels

[CosmicCowboy]

its not a goalpost move at all. the principle being discussed is whether laws deter actions.

so i'll ask again in another way. do you think that if we legalized rape, more people would get raped?

it's not even a discussion. It is self evident that laws do not always deter people from breaking the law. It might deter some. Acknowledging the FACT that laws do nor deter some people is not even close to saying we don't need laws. It's a stupid argument.

[leemajors]

it was a linguistic comparison to the war on drugs. And several in here have advocated making guns, or at least certain guns, magazines, ammo, etc. illegal.

So it was a stupid comparison, got it.

[DarrinS]

Holy shit. Beto calling out Abbott to his face. Buttlicker in chief Patrick calling him a sick son of a bitch. :lmao


No, the mayor of Uvalde called him that.

[CosmicCowboy]

astonishing to me that people will try to argue that laws are not meant as a deterrent for unwanted behavior. theres no way people actually believe it, they're just doing human pretzels

it's totally irrelevant what the laws are MEANT for when they don't always deter crime. The fact that there is crime is self evident that laws are not always a deterrent.

[Nathan89]

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Sickening.

[CosmicCowboy]

So it was a stupid comparison, got it.

It was made in the context that the war on drugs has historically penalized minorities disproportionately and the war on guns would result in the exact same thing, so yeah it was absolutely appropriate

[spurraider21]

it's not even a discussion. It is self evident that laws do not always deter people from breaking the law. It might deter some. Acknowledging the FACT that laws do nor deter some people is not even close to saying we don't need laws. It's a stupid argument.
nobody said "always"

i didnt say that passing laws prevents things from happening 100% of the time. my question was, if we made murder legal, should we expect to see an increase in homicides? the answer is obviously yes.

prohibition, for all the problems associated with it, did decrease alcohol consumption levels. note that i am not claiming that prohibition completely eliminated alcohol consumption.

[ducks]

So the report is out he was angry he did not graduate according to his neighbor

[Leetonidas]

Did the laws against murder stop the school shooter?

Law are there to punish the ones that break the law after the fact.

You are too stupid to participate in this discussion.

by your logic i guess we should just abolish child rape laws because people will do it anyway right? you see how incredibly stupid you sound?

[Medvedenko]

So the report is out he was angry he did not graduate according to his neighbor

I just read a report too: You still have shit for brains.

[CosmicCowboy]

nobody said "always"

i didnt say that passing laws prevents things from happening 100% of the time. my question was, if we made murder legal, should we expect to see an increase in homicides? the answer is obviously yes.

prohibition, for all the problems associated with it, did decrease alcohol consumption levels. note that i am not claiming that prohibition completely eliminated alcohol consumption.

again, no one is advocating doing away with laws. That's your straw man.

[Blake]

God you are stupid. It is totally self evident that laws against murder didn't stop the school shooter. Had he survived the attack, however, the law would have allowed us to punish him. Laws against speeding don't stop people from speeding but they allow the government to give tickets and fines when they are caught. Saying that laws don't stop criminals is not the same as saying we don't need laws.

You've got, 5-6 people gutting your posts. You may want to check who's stupid again here.

If laws don't stop criminals then what's the point? Lay out the point of laws then in your opinion.

[CosmicCowboy]

by your logic i guess we should just abolish child rape laws because people will do it anyway right? you see how incredibly stupid you sound?

I'm not advocating doing away with laws, dumbass.

[Leetonidas]

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Sickening.

Pathetic incels like you that think Beto calling out these scumbags is what is "sickening." You and all your ilk are disgusting abhorrent sickos the love dead children. Pro-life my ass

[leemajors]

Pathetic incels like you that think Beto calling out these scumbags is what is "sickening." You and all your ilk are disgusting abhorrent sickos the love dead children. Pro-life my ass

Yeah but Cruz was about to leap at Beto while he stood still holding his hands

[Leetonidas]

I'm not advocating doing away with laws, dumbass.

No, you're not really advocating doing anything at all you moron. You're just another idiot that thinks the obvious solution wouldnt work cus pEoPlE wIlL bReAK LaWs AnYwAy. Dumbass

[CosmicCowboy]

You've got, 5-6 people gutting your posts. You may want to check who's stupid again here.

If laws don't stop criminals then what's the point? Lay out the point of laws then in your opinion.

The fact that 5 or 6 people are too stupid to use basic logic is not my problem. I am not advocating doing away with laws.

[CosmicCowboy]

No, you're not really advocating doing anything at all you moron. You're just another idiot that thinks the obvious solution wouldnt work cus pEoPlE wIlL bReAK LaWs AnYwAy. Dumbass

What law are you proposing?

[Leetonidas]

What law are you proposing?

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=299971&page=18&p=10743163#post10743163

I agreed with what Splits outlined earlier in this thread. The same thing pretty much everyone that isnt a gun fellating moron is saying

[Leetonidas]

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Sickening.

Also just to point out how idiotic and disingenuous you right wingers are

-he didnt "storm the stage." he didnt even get on the stage
-parents werent screaming at him, it was the idiot on stage
-he wasn't "dragged out" at all :lol
-Ted Cruz didnt do a damn thing

stfu incel

[Nathan89]

The barbarians pushing for abortion for 9 months don't get to lecture others about caring for human life.

[Leetonidas]

The barbarians pushing for abortion for 9 months don't get to lecture others about caring for human life.

Great way to absolve yourself of being a piece of S***. you have no moral high ground to stand on

[Joseph Kony]

:lmao the pro-death penalty, pro-gun, pro-mass shootings party pretending to care about the lives of unborn babies

[Blake]

The fact that 5 or 6 people are too stupid to use basic logic is not my problem. I am not advocating doing away with laws.

I know, so what do you believe is the purpose of law then?

Second time.

[Splits]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=299971&page=18&p=10743163#post10743163

I agreed with what Splits outlined earlier in this thread. The same thing pretty much everyone that isnt a gun fellating moron is saying

If you read between the lines, CC did agree with one of my proposals: outlaw the military body armor. Guess why? Because it doesn't affect him personally (100-1 he doesn't own an armored vest). Every other thing I suggest would affect him directly, so he lines up the :cry discriminatory law against minorities :cry defense to deflect from the fact it would have an impact on him.

Selfish prick. Can't debate honestly.

[CosmicCowboy]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=299971&page=18&p=10743163#post10743163

I agreed with what Splits outlined earlier in this thread. The same thing pretty much everyone that isnt a gun fellating moron is saying

There is zero chance that Splits suggestions get implemented and I explained why, and you and Splits wish list is the functional equivalent of "thoughts and prayers".

[Spurs Homer]

“We are outraged that disgusting baby killers- want to eliminate babies BEFORE muh gunz can massacre them at the proper age of 8,9,10!”

[Nathan89]

:lmao the pro-death penalty, pro-gun, pro-mass shootings party pretending to care about the lives of unborn babies


Nobody is pro mass shootings.

Barbarians need to make others seem evil to look themselves in the mirror.

[Spurs Homer]

Cosmic kuntboy


what a dumbshit

[Nathan89]

Only the evil cops should have guns.

[CosmicCowboy]

I know, so what do you believe is the purpose of law then?

Second time.

duh. It soothes our moral conscience that we can punish the lawbreakers after they break the law. Pretty good for the jail industry too.

[DarrinS]

If you read between the lines, CC did agree with one of my proposals: outlaw the military body armor. Guess why? Because it doesn't affect him personally (100-1 he doesn't own an armored vest). Every other thing I suggest would affect him directly, so he lines up the :cry discriminatory law against minorities :cry defense to deflect from the fact it would have an impact on him.

Selfish prick. Can't debate honestly.


Shooter wasn't wearing body armor

[hater]

Lol the USA :lmao :lmao


Shithole :lol

[hater]

More children dying in Texas than in Ukraine

Smdh

[Nathan89]

"Everybody ought to have a gun, Fidel Castro maintained — until lately. At a 1960 rally in Havana, he explained that "This is how democracy works: it gives rifles to farmers, to students, to women, to Negroes, to the poor, and to every citizen who is ready to defend a just cause." Weapons ranging from Czech submachine guns to Belgian FN automatic rifles were handed out to 50,000 soldiers, 400,000 militiamen, 100,000 members of the factory-guarding popular defense force, and to many men, women and children in Cuba's 1,000,000-strong "neighborhood vigilance committees." Now Castro no longer wants all those guns in the hands of the people. For three weeks, Radio Havana has been warning: "All citizens must turn in their combat weapons." Civilians must take arms to police stations, soldiers to military headquarters."

[CosmicCowboy]

If you read between the lines, CC did agree with one of my proposals: outlaw the military body armor. Guess why? Because it doesn't affect him personally (100-1 he doesn't own an armored vest). Every other thing I suggest would affect him directly, so he lines up the :cry discriminatory law against minorities :cry defense to deflect from the fact it would have an impact on him.

Selfish prick. Can't debate honestly.

We will have breeding pairs of rainbow unicorns before your wish list gets implemented.

[Nathan89]

More children dying in Texas than in Ukraine

Smdh

Then we probably shouldn't be sending 40 billion to them tbh

[Chomag]

Some of Y'all already making this political before the bodies are even cold yet...damn.

[Leetonidas]

There is zero chance that Splits suggestions get implemented and I explained why, and you and Splits wish list is the functional equivalent of "thoughts and prayers".

Okay so then shut the fuck up and stop asking people what laws they'd implement if the answer doesn't satisfy you

[hater]

"Everybody ought to have a gun, Fidel Castro maintained — until lately. At a 1960 rally in Havana, he explained that "This is how democracy works: it gives rifles to farmers, to students, to women, to Negroes, to the poor, and to every citizen who is ready to defend a just cause." Weapons ranging from Czech submachine guns to Belgian FN automatic rifles were handed out to 50,000 soldiers, 400,000 militiamen, 100,000 members of the factory-guarding popular defense force, and to many men, women and children in Cuba's 1,000,000-strong "neighborhood vigilance committees." Now Castro no longer wants all those guns in the hands of the people. For three weeks, Radio Havana has been warning: "All citizens must turn in their combat weapons." Civilians must take arms to police stations, soldiers to military headquarters."

Important note:
Venezuela gives weapons to its citizens. Lots of them. This is so they can defend themselves if USA or USA led army attacks them.

They have zero schools shootings.

[Leetonidas]

Nobody is pro mass shootings.

Barbarians need to make others seem evil to look themselves in the mirror.

Sure you are. Your side absolutely loves mass shootings. This is the product of all your gun fellating. This is what you wanted

[hater]

Then we probably shouldn't be sending 40 billion to them tbh

We are not. Only sending 6 billion. The other 34 billion is going to CIA, Covid BS and pockets of politicians and MIC

You been lied to

[Leetonidas]

Also rofl at the dipshits that really think being armed means they can defend themselves against the US government with the largest military budget in the world. Yall know 100% that's bullshit. You love to cosplay Call of Duty. Just admit that's more important to you than the lives of children. It's pretty obvious

[CosmicCowboy]

Okay so then shut the fuck up and stop asking people what laws they'd implement if the answer doesn't satisfy you

Why waste time dreaming up shit that can't possibly be implemented? That's not a rational conversation and just as helpful as "thoughts and prayers".

[Leetonidas]

Why waste time dreaming up shit that can't possibly be implemented? That's not a rational conversation and jus as helpful as "thoughts and prayers".

It can be implemented. The problem is too many people like you who think otherwise

[hater]

Also rofl at the dipshits that really think being armed means they can defend themselves against the US government with the largest military budget in the world. Yall know 100% that's bullshit. You love to cosplay Call of Duty. Just admit that's more important to you than the lives of children. It's pretty obvious

The Taliban and Vietnamese did it.

Its doable :tu

[Nathan89]

Sure you are. Your side absolutely loves mass shootings. This is the product of all your gun fellating. This is what you wanted

I'd wager the authoritarians that want to take guns away are happier to see mass shootings than the law abiding gun owners of America.

[Blake]

duh. It soothes our moral conscience that we can punish the lawbreakers after they break the law. Pretty good for the jail industry too.

Awesome. So can evil doers do evil to the public from jail?

[Blake]

Why waste time dreaming up shit that can't possibly be implemented? That's not a rational conversation and just as helpful as "thoughts and prayers".

Smh "waste of time".

Unless it happens to you.

[Blake]

I'd wager the authoritarians that want to take guns away are happier to see mass shootings than the law abiding gun owners of America.

You're not worth responding to. Ever.

[Leetonidas]

The Taliban and Vietnamese did it.

Its doable :tu

Because America cares about the image it projects. If they really wanted to they could have blown them all to shit years ago. In this fantasy reality that the right wingers love envisioning where we become Communist China, murica isn't gonna be fucking around in their tactics. Lmao at Nathan holding off an onslaught in his parents basement with the AR15 he bought at Walmart

[ChumpDumper]

What a piece of shit trying to campaign at that event

True-- Abbott and Patrick are pieces of shit.

[ElNono]

Isn't that horse already out of the barn? there are millions on the street already. That doesn't count all the double stack pistols out there.

Do you make possession a misdemeanor? Felony? Capital punishment? How many new prisons do we need to build?

these shooters are already breaking laws that allow capital punishment. If this shooter yesterday was alive and being charged he would face at least 25 capital punishment charges in Texas.

These are serious questions.

Make kids like this go to the black market (if they even know anybody there) and continue to crack down on it.

There’s no silver bullet on this, but the notion that no regulation can help, even if it may slightly inconvenience rightful owners or nothing can be done is retarded and simply being delusional

[Leetonidas]

I'd wager the authoritarians that want to take guns away are happier to see mass shootings than the law abiding gun owners of America.

Not one person in this thread is saying take all guns away. Why can't you disingenuous fucks ever have an honest conversation about anything gun related.

I own guns. No one is saying ban all guns. Quit being an intellectually dishonest shitbag

[Splits]

Why waste time dreaming up shit that can't possibly be implemented? That's not a rational conversation and just as helpful as "thoughts and prayers".

lol "dreaming up shit that can't possibly be implemented"

I didn't even propose an AR ban, which is SA2 cult kryptonite but was actually implemented during the Clinton years and actually did have an affect on mass shootings. But now my compromise proposals are DOA because you say so. Overton window and all that jazz.

If you don't like my list, what do you propose other than "mental health services" and "militarize our kindergartens"?

[CosmicCowboy]

Smh "waste of time".

Unless it happens to you.

The only thing he suggested that "might" have stopped the Uvalde shooter would have been raising the age to buy a gun to 21. Emphasis on "might".

Evil is an undeniable and sad part of the world we live in.

[SpursforSix]

easy to confuse all these school shootings tbh

i still have several years before kindergarten age to worry about, tho little one is about to start going to daycare in a couple months

I mean...it's still pretty rare. And hopefully, the tide turns and makes things safer.

[Nathan89]

We could fire all the useless foreign language teachers today and hire multiple armed guards at every school. Steve Kerr and many leftists don't want security at schools. The only solution is taking away your rights.

[CosmicCowboy]

lol "dreaming up shit that can't possibly be implemented"

I didn't even propose an AR ban, which is SA2 cult kryptonite but was actually implemented during the Clinton years and actually did have an affect on mass shootings. But now my compromise proposals are DOA because you say so. Overton window and all that jazz.

If you don't like my list, what do you propose other than "mental health services" and "militarize our kindergartens"?

I didn't say i didn't like your list. I appreciate you having the conversation. I rationally pointed out why it wouldn't be implemented and you tried to paint me as some crazy gun nut which I am definitely not.

[Leetonidas]

easy to confuse all these school shootings tbh

i still have several years before kindergarten age to worry about, tho little one is about to start going to daycare in a couple months

I have a daughter on the way. I honestly am worried about the world she will be born into. Less rights than her mother, more likely to get killed in school....fuck man

[ChumpDumper]

We could fire all the useless foreign language teachers today and hire multiple armed guards at every school. Steve Kerr and many leftists don't want security at schools. The only solution is taking away your rights.So you want to make every school and armed camp?

Yes or no.

Armed security officers end up being kid police with all that implies. If you could guarantee that wouldn't happen I'd consider half of your stupid proposal that you don't even believe in anyway.

[Joseph Kony]

It's sad but we all know nothing will change with gun laws so really the only thing that can be done is posting armed guards/police at all public schools, which is depressing and pathetic for the supposed best country on earth

[Nathan89]

So you want to make every school and armed camp?

Yes or no.

I have no problem with investing in security measures at schools.

[ChumpDumper]

I have no problem with investing in security measures at schools.Like what?

Let's see your list.

Uvalde's school district already has it's own police department.

[Chomag]

Ok fine I'll bite.
Guns have been around for ages so how come mass shootings have only started becoming a recent problem? How is this a gun problem? Evidence seems to be pointing more at people and not the weapon as the issue.

[hater]

Because America cares about the image it projects. If they really wanted to they could have blown them all to shit years ago. In this fantasy reality that the right wingers love envisioning where we become Communist China, murica isn't gonna be fucking around in their tactics. Lmao at Nathan holding off an onslaught in his parents basement with the AR15 he bought at Walmart

"Coulda" "woulda"

But they didnt and Taliban and Vietcong prevailed.

So its doable. :tu


Also the reality is in case of a Civil War. Having guns would be pretty useful IMO.

Its not like 100% of the US army will go against its people. In a civil war the army ruptures into 2.or more sides.

[Spurs Homer]

This shootin illuminated another tired argument…

”why did the cops HAVE TO arrest the guy- why not let him go and arrest him later- cops are nazis blah blah?”

welp, this guy was chased by police, he got away briefly and ended up killing a bunch of children…

so now…

”why didnt the cops get this guy BEFORE he was able to hurt innocent children?”

[ChumpDumper]

Ok fine I'll bite.
Guns have been around for ages so how come mass shootings have only started becoming a recent problem? How is this a gun problem? Evidence seems to be pointing more at people and not the weapon as the issue.

Mass produced AR-15s and similar weapons have most assuredly NOT been around for ages.

You'll have to show me stats for the mass shooting weapons since their arrival for me to consider your argument.

[hater]

I have a daughter on the way. I honestly am worried about the world she will be born into. Less rights than her mother, more likely to get killed in school....fuck man

I got 2 nephews in Elementary and 1 more incoming. Yes what happens in Us schools is disgusting. But reality is US people are sick in the head and although guns are their weapons of choice, the weapons are not 100% responsible for the deaths.

These sick fucks would resort to arson, home made bombs or other shit to inflict pain on society.

I do agree automatic weapons should be mainly banned (or require incredible amount of security checks)

But to blame it all on guns is weak

[hater]

I have a daughter on the way. I honestly am worried about the world she will be born into. Less rights than her mother, more likely to get killed in school....fuck man

I got 2 nephews in Elementary and 1 more incoming. Yes what happens in Us schools is disgusting. But reality is US people are sick in the head and although guns are their weapons of choice, the weapons are not 100% responsible for the deaths.

These sick fucks would resort to arson, home made bombs or other shit to inflict pain on society.

I do agree automatic weapons should be mainly banned (or require incredible amount of security checks)

But to blame it all on guns is weak

[CosmicCowboy]

Ok fine I'll bite.
Guns have been around for ages so how come mass shootings have only started becoming a recent problem? How is this a gun problem? Evidence seems to be pointing more at people and not the weapon as the issue.

I am no psychologist but I'm pretty sure social media has played a big part in it. Most of these young shooters seem to be social outcasts and underachievers. Probably not very popular and don't have healthy relationships with others. Just being a teenager figuring out the world is hard enough without all the negatives that go along with social media. Kids can be cruel enough when they aren't hiding behind a keyboard and it's even worse when they are. Hell, just look at the shit that gets thrown around in here with somewhat functioning adults LOL. Their depression and resentment may build up until the only way they see to be "somebody" is to do something as abhorrent as shooting up a school. Live or die they know people will 'know their name" and talk about them. Sick but true. Tha'ts why I have always advocated not releasing the shooters names in the media and just calling them "a disturbed individual" or whatever euphemism you prefer.

[diego]

If there is zero chance then how did the drug war policies you criticized get passed and still in effect?

Some states require boat insurance, I've never seen anyone up in arms over the unfair financial burden or suggesting the state should pay for it?? It's getting to the point where it's easier to buy a gun than it is to vote in some states

For me the bottom line is mental health, apparently pro/anti gun people agree it's one of the main sources for these tragedies, but you can barely get support for universal background checks much less continuous psych evaluations- pro gun groups should be all for them and yet they block them whenever possible

[hater]

I am no psychologist but I'm pretty sure social media has played a big part in it. Most of these young shooters seem to be social outcasts and underachievers. Probably not very popular and don't have healthy relationships with others. Just being a teenager figuring out the world is hard enough without all the negatives that go along with social media. Kids can be cruel enough when they aren't hiding behind a keyboard and it's even worse when they are. Hell, just look at the shit that gets thrown around in here with somewhat functioning adults LOL. Their depression and resentment may build up until the only way they see to be "somebody" is to do something as abhorrent as shooting up a school. Live or die they know people will 'know their name" and talk about them. Sick but true. Tha'ts why I have always advocated not releasing the shooters names in the media and just calling them "a disturbed individual" or whatever euphemism you prefer.

Social media is a hug reason but a broken home much more

Add to that the glorification of weapons and violence by US government and media:
"We will send billions of lethal aid"
"Our weapons are the best"
"We will kill anyone who disagrees with us"

Those 3 reasons above would corrupt a child beyond repair

[Thread]

I have a daughter on the way. I honestly am worried about the world she will be born into. Less rights than her mother, more likely to get killed in school....fuck man

+ a dad like you...trust me, Lee, you ain't no picnic.

[ElNono]

easy to confuse all these school shootings tbh

i still have several years before kindergarten age to worry about, tho little one is about to start going to daycare in a couple months

You can always move to Texas and little Jr can buy an assault rifle once he's 18, because nothing can be done about it, tbh...

[ChumpDumper]

Social media is a hug reason but a broken home much more

Add to that the glorification of weapons and violence by US government and media:
"We will send billions of lethal aid"
"Our weapons are the best"
"We will kill anyone who disagrees with us"

Those 3 reasons above would corrupt a child beyond repair

:lmao you think teens watch cable news

[Leetonidas]

I got 2 nephews in Elementary and 1 more incoming. Yes what happens in Us schools is disgusting. But reality is US people are sick in the head and although guns are their weapons of choice, the weapons are not 100% responsible for the deaths.

These sick fucks would resort to arson, home made bombs or other shit to inflict pain on society.

I do agree automatic weapons should be mainly banned (or require incredible amount of security checks)

But to blame it all on guns is weak

I'd rather make it harder than make it easier. Let them try to build bombs or resort to arson. Better than guaranteeing them a successful mass murder

[Thread]

Social media is a hug reason but a broken home much more

Add to that the glorification of weapons and violence by US government and media:
"We will send billions of lethal aid"
"Our weapons are the best"
"We will kill anyone who disagrees with us"

Those 3 reasons above would corrupt a child beyond repair

hater; the voice of reason & moderation in troubled times.

hater

[ElNono]

"Coulda" "woulda"

But they didnt and Taliban and Vietcong prevailed.

So its doable. :tu

Also the reality is in case of a Civil War. Having guns would be pretty useful IMO.

Its not like 100% of the US army will go against its people. In a civil war the army ruptures into 2.or more sides.

I watched Rambo, America won Vietnam convincingly, tbh...

[SnakeBoy]

:cry So Brave :cry

https://img.guildedcdn.com/ContentMedia/9982e9d81d60339f68c143526fcf587b-Preview.webp?w=1091&h=1440

[CosmicCowboy]

:cry So Brave :cry

https://img.guildedcdn.com/ContentMedia/9982e9d81d60339f68c143526fcf587b-Preview.webp?w=1091&h=1440

:lmao

comparing Bozo to Tiananmen! that's hilarious.

[SnakeBoy]

Beto is the real victim

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[SnakeBoy]

https://i.imgur.com/ZCFPFjv.png

[Joseph Kony]

https://i.imgur.com/ZCFPFjv.png

:lol you're silly

[Blake]

It's sad but we all know nothing will change with gun laws so really the only thing that can be done is posting armed guards/police at all public schools, which is depressing and pathetic for the supposed best country on earth

Arm all teachers!

[DarrinS]

This shootin illuminated another tired argument…

”why did the cops HAVE TO arrest the guy- why not let him go and arrest him later- cops are nazis blah blah?”

welp, this guy was chased by police, he got away briefly and ended up killing a bunch of children…

so now…

”why didnt the cops get this guy BEFORE he was able to hurt innocent children?”


???

[DarrinS]

1529539933626580994

[SnakeBoy]

???

I think he's saying BLM has blood on its hands

[ChumpDumper]

I think he's saying BLM has blood on its hands

You mean Bike Lock Antifa.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao Trumptards

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[DMC]

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/texas-elementary-school-reports-active-shooter-campus/story?id=84940951

Notice it doesn't say "A Border Patrol agent who was working nearby when the shooting began rushed into the school without waiting for backup and shot and killed the gunman"

That was an AP story. It does say he was killed by a person with a gun. After further review the ruling on the floor stands.

[ChumpDumper]

DMC lost badly

[Splits]

I didn't say i didn't like your list. I appreciate you having the conversation. I rationally pointed out why it wouldn't be implemented and you tried to paint me as some crazy gun nut which I am definitely not.

Ok, fair enough. What is your laundry list of ideas to fix the problem? You requested fixes, I laid out 9, you agreed with 1. Let's see your list.

[SnakeBoy]

All we gotta do is ban index fingers

[Splits]

That was an AP story. It does say he was killed by a person with a gun. After further review the ruling on the floor stands.

:lmao

so you can't see the difference between your original story "lone good guy rushes elementary school, takes out gunman" to the actual story "lone good guy gets outgunned by mass shooter because of his weaponry, waits 30 minutes for backup and tactical unit which take out gunman while 19 kids get murdered"

[CosmicCowboy]

Ok, fair enough. What is your laundry list of ideas to fix the problem? You requested fixes, I laid out 9, you agreed with 1. Let's see your list.

I would like to see high tech security systems on all schools. We have the technology. AI monitors everywhere. Auto locking doors perimeter and classrooms. The second a gun is detected the system goes on lockdown, preferably before the shooter even goes into the school.

Have qualified security available not just fat rent-a -cops that couldn't cut it on a regular police force. It doesn't have to be oppressive. Secret Service does a great job of being there without being obviously militant.

I would like to see qualified psychologist/counselors in every school to speak to troubled students. Not just for potential shooters but potential suicides, etc. Their regular teachers know which kids are having trouble adjusting and can refer them to the counselors. Knowing someone cares that can talk to them could really help some of them.

I would like to see something where kids could anonymously report troubling things they see from other students on social media. Publicize it and emphasize they are helping the other student and not ratting on them.

I'm OK with raising the age to 21 to buy guns. I'm OK with extending the waiting period if it means better background checks and I'm ok with the checks including social media.

This would all be a good start.

[DMC]

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/MhtyzPIdCPe4.DjWYUryBw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTM5Ng--/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/qMTchoCS1ettWkU9Mm4knA--~B/aD02NTg7dz0xMTcwO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/thedailybeast.com/4699b9f9dfa037e97284e9a03680d5a1


He was law abiding, right up to the point where he wasn't.

smh.

"we can't do anything about this, it is just too hard"

Fuck off with that bullshit. We can and should do something. many things.

The right wing has been so captured by what what is essentially the gun manufacturing lobby propaganda arm (NRA) they have made it into a bizarro fetish.
sooooo now what?

What do you plan to do about it? I think you should spam the forum with your conservative core is blah blah blah picketing.




Of course you have to pay for it, and it covers the cost of the facilities, courses and mental health professionals. It will be expensive, it will discriminate against lower income people, which is true for many many many things. That's the primary feature, not a bug. The more guns you own, the more expensive it is. Make gun ownership a high bar.
Let's do the same with the 1A. You have to pay out the ass to exercise your constitutionally protected right. None of these "brilliant ideas" will ever see the light of day. You should focus on things that have the chance to get off the launchpad.


Penalties can be negotiated. Inherited guns might be an exception.



Penalties can be negotiated. Escalate for repeat offenders, just like any other law i.e. DUI


Someone willing to die doesn't give a shit about new laws. How many laws were broken that day? Well, it wasn't illegal for a person of legal age without a criminal record to purchase a semiauto firearm. It was illegal to shoot his grandmother, probably broke a few more laws by fleeing then plenty in the elementary school. What laws he broke had zero deterrent. He remained until they killed him and carried him out.

You either ban guns outright or live with the reality of this America. Yes that's the options, you can pretend these other feel good laws would make a difference but they won't.


I'm not a hunter or an expert in this field, so leave the actual numbers to negotiation based on ammo type. What's the most 12 gauge rounds you can put in a shotgun? Probably not 30 and fire them off 1 per second. I assume you prairie dog hunt with a low caliber round like a 22. Can buy more of those that .223s that shred and explode organs and limbs coming out of an AR-15. I'm sure we can make a distinction between hunting rounds and non-hunting rounds. Penalties to be negotiated

No you cannot. .223 is a varmint round. People are shooting prairie dogs at several hundred yards, not with a .22LR. Every caliber using in a centerfire rifle is a hunting cartridge. It's not the ammo or the shooting platform that defines the use, but the shooter. Subguns are already heavily regulated and not manufactured for sale in the US to civilians. An AR-15 is a semiauto rifle with a detachable magazine. You can get the same capacity magazine for the .22LR and kill the same amount of defenseless people that idiot killed. This is why I say you folks who don't know anything about guns or gun laws should probably avoid trying to solve issues through legislation. You don't know the problem, you don't know the solution and you don't know the parts in between.


Purchasing. If you're under 21 and supervised by a parent, guardian, or authorized gun owner no issue.

Then you need to raise the age of eligibility for selective service. I'm all for needing to be 26 to own a firearm. Owning the gun isn't a caveat to mass shooting. (let's face it, today's 26 year old is mentally on par with yesterday's 21 year old).


Feature, not a bug. Make gun ownership a high-bar.
Dude worked at BK and had about 3800 worth of hardware and ammo. Pretty sure the cost wasn't the issue. "High bar" shouldn't be financial. It should be things like gun safety and mental wellness. Background checks on social media would be good and have stopped a lot of gun purchases. Just look for people who claim they want to shoot up schools. Maybe take them at their word just as if they said they want to kill the POTUS.


While not preventative, it will reduce casualties


Strike down the 2A. Remove due process as well and get rid of laws that prevent law enforcement from performing privacy invasive investigations. Create a hotline for prospective shooter tips and follow up on them. Confiscate all firearms and only reissue from government agency to direct owner without any permission to resell. All firearm commerce should only be from FFL to buyer and the national gun registry should be in effect. You should not be able to purchase ammo without a license showing the registered weapon you intend to use the ammo for and it must be registered to the one buying the ammo. Strike down the NFA.

If you cannot take any of these actions you don't stand a chance. The system in place has legal loopholes for everything else you suggested. You have to go for the brass ring.

I'm not surprised that others agreed with you, they also know nothing about existing laws or about the firearms facts they seem to think are irrelevant, like trying to differentiate between hunting and "military style" guns. Once you drop that red herring you folks have been chasing for decades, you'll see it's not a legit distinction.

[leemajors]

I would like to see high tech security systems on all schools. We have the technology. AI monitors everywhere. Auto locking doors perimeter and classrooms. The second a gun is detected the system goes on lockdown, preferably before the shooter even goes into the school.

Have qualified security available not just fat rent-a -cops that couldn't cut it on a regular police force. It doesn't have to be oppressive. Secret Service does a great job of being there without being obviously militant.

I would like to see qualified psychologist/counselors in every school to speak to troubled students. Not just for potential shooters but potential suicides, etc. Their regular teachers know which kids are having trouble adjusting and can refer them to the counselors. Knowing someone cares that can talk to them could really help some of them.

I would like to see something where kids could anonymously report troubling things they see from other students on social media. Publicize it and emphasize they are helping the other student and not ratting on them.

I'm OK with raising the age to 21 to buy guns. I'm OK with extending the waiting period if it means better background checks and I'm ok with the checks including social media.

This would all be a good start.

That sounds like way more than they actually spend on education itself. Where would the funding come from?

[spurraider21]

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[spurraider21]

I would like to see high tech security systems on all schools. We have the technology. AI monitors everywhere. Auto locking doors perimeter and classrooms. The second a gun is detected the system goes on lockdown, preferably before the shooter even goes into the school.

Have qualified security available not just fat rent-a -cops that couldn't cut it on a regular police force. It doesn't have to be oppressive. Secret Service does a great job of being there without being obviously militant.
https://i.gifer.com/N3l8.gif

[Spurminator]

There is zero chance that Splits suggestions get implemented and I explained why, and you and Splits wish list is the functional equivalent of "thoughts and prayers".

You may be right that they could never get implemented, but your reason for why was laughably retarded. Your claim that race-card SJW's would block it was just your way of avoiding admitting that they have no chance of passing because Republicans oppose every attempt at reasonable gun control.

[SnakeBoy]

That sounds like way more than they actually spend on education itself. Where would the funding come from?

Ukraine?

[SnakeBoy]

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They left out death by abortion

[spurraider21]

They left out death by abortion
i dont think people between the ages of 1 and 19 years get aborted

[Thread]

Ukraine?

[Spurminator]

Ok fine I'll bite.
Guns have been around for ages so how come mass shootings have only started becoming a recent problem? How is this a gun problem? Evidence seems to be pointing more at people and not the weapon as the issue.

People under 21 couldn't buy a gun in Texas before September, 2021.

The shooter in Uvalde was 18.

The issue is the relaxed laws meant to boost lagging gun sales.

[Trill Clinton]

:cry So Brave :cry

https://img.guildedcdn.com/ContentMedia/9982e9d81d60339f68c143526fcf587b-Preview.webp?w=1091&h=1440

fake tweet, boomer

[Spurminator]

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https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/87R/analysis/html/HB00918E.htm

[lefty]

Lol the USA :lmao :lmao


Shithole :lol

:lol

« but the shooter came from a poor family :cry »


Negga bought guns and an IPhone 13 Pro Max :lol

[DarrinS]

https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/87R/analysis/html/HB00918E.htm

And?

[ducks]

So he posted on Facebook he was going to shoot grandmother
He posted he shot her
He posted he was going to shot at elementary school

[DarrinS]

People under 21 couldn't buy a gun in Texas before September, 2021.

The shooter in Uvalde was 18.

The issue is the relaxed laws meant to boost lagging gun sales.


He didn't use a hand gun

[Splits]

I would like to see high tech security systems on all schools. We have the technology. AI monitors everywhere. Auto locking doors perimeter and classrooms. The second a gun is detected the system goes on lockdown, preferably before the shooter even goes into the school.


Have qualified security available not just fat rent-a -cops that couldn't cut it on a regular police force. It doesn't have to be oppressive. Secret Service does a great job of being there without being obviously militant.

I would like to see qualified psychologist/counselors in every school to speak to troubled students. Not just for potential shooters but potential suicides, etc. Their regular teachers know which kids are having trouble adjusting and can refer them to the counselors. Knowing someone cares that can talk to them could really help some of them.

I would like to see something where kids could anonymously report troubling things they see from other students on social media. Publicize it and emphasize they are helping the other student and not ratting on them.

I'm OK with raising the age to 21 to buy guns. I'm OK with extending the waiting period if it means better background checks and I'm ok with the checks including social media.

This would all be a good start.

I would like to see high tech security systems on all schools. We have the technology. AI monitors everywhere. Auto locking doors perimeter and classrooms. The second a gun is detected the system goes on lockdown, preferably before the shooter even goes into the school.

There are 130k k-12 schools in the US. Who pays for this? The DHS budget to protect 5k airports is $7b, Extrapolate, you're looking at a $200b+/year budget to protect schools. If your answer is gun owners, then I am partially for it. The non-partially for it asks "who wants their kids going to school in a totalitarian surveillance state?"

Have qualified security available not just fat rent-a -cops that couldn't cut it on a regular police force. It doesn't have to be oppressive. Secret Service does a great job of being there without being obviously militant.

The "rent-a-cop" wife was one of the victims. He's a SWAT trained officer


The first victim of the Texas (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/texas/index.html) school massacre has been named as a 44 year-old special ed teacher - as it was revealed her police officer husband held an active shooter drill at the Uvalde high school just two months ago.


Eva Mireles, 44, was one of 22 people killed at Robb Elementary School Tuesday. The death toll has risen to 19 children, and three adults. That includes Mireles, gunman Salvador Ramos, 18, who was killed by cops, and a third adult who has not been named.
Hauntingly, Mireles husband Ruben Ruiz, a police officer at Uvalde School District, held an active shooter drill at Uvalde High School, on March 22, two months before his wife's murder. Both the gunman and the cop were once students at the school.
Yeah, we need the US Army protecting 130k schools because this SWAT trained local officer couldn't even save his wife

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I would like to see something where kids could anonymously report troubling things they see from other students on social media. Publicize it and emphasize they are helping the other student and not ratting on them.

Yeah, well Ramos fucker didn't go to school. How do you report someone who doesn't go to school?

I'm OK with raising the age to 21 to buy guns. I'm OK with extending the waiting period if it means better background checks and I'm ok with the checks including social media.

We finally agree on something other than body armor

[DMC]

People under 21 couldn't buy a gun in Texas before September, 2021.

The shooter in Uvalde was 18.

The issue is the relaxed laws meant to boost lagging gun sales.

You ignored his question. How many mass shootings have happened in Texas this year vs the prior 10?

[Spurminator]

He didn't use a hand gun

That's a different story than the one the governor told yesterday. It was reported he used a handgun along with his rifles.

Also, I don't fucking care. The avoidance of gun control legislation is every bit as much to blame for this as the execution of pro gun laws, probably more. He should have never been able to buy AR-15s. That's on you and the people you vote for.

[DMC]

:lmao

so you can't see the difference between your original story "lone good guy rushes elementary school, takes out gunman" to the actual story "lone good guy gets outgunned by mass shooter because of his weaponry, waits 30 minutes for backup and tactical unit which take out gunman while 19 kids get murdered"

Not my story. Good guy with gun. You invented the "lone" part.

[DMC]

That's a different story than the one the governor told yesterday. It was reported he used a handgun along with his rifles.

Also, I don't fucking care. The avoidance of gun control legislation is every bit as much to blame for this as the execution of pro gun laws, probably more. He should have never been able to buy AR-15s. That's on you and the people you vote for.

So your entire point doesn't matter when you're mistaken?

[Spurminator]

You ignored his question. How many mass shootings have happened in Texas this year vs the prior 10?

It's probably the violent video games and mental health problems, which are unique to the United States of America.

[DMC]

It's probably the violent video games and mental health problems, which are unique to the United States of America.
It's not the games that led to the desire to shoot real people (especially kids) but it is the games (partly) that glamorize AR15s and the "ability" to do so. It's the 24/7 media reminder of what score the last shooter reached, his ranking in history and how his face was plastered all over the news that leads to copy cats, however there are crimes of passion and there are premeditated, prepared attacks (like Vegas, Walmart in El Paso and several others). Regulation of firearms would at least lessen the odds of a crime of passion to this level, since you'd have to cool down some to plan and then you might decide you're not ready to die. Premeditated and planned out attacks though are different. I believe a lot of these ass clowns broadcast their intentions because they're nobodies with an opinion no one wants to hear, so they create manifestos and the news broadcasts it all over the world. Then people get onto these subculture forums and worship it. Somewhere in there is another dipshit with an idea to do the same.

[Splits]

Not my story. Good guy with gun. You invented the "lone" part.

Ohhhh?


A Border Patrol agent who was working nearby when the shooting began rushed into the school without waiting for backup and shot and killed the gunman, who was behind a barricade, according to a law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about it.

"A Border Patrol agent" isn't "lone"? Do you understand how the English language works? "A" is plural?

[Joseph Kony]

:lol fat hands is such an imbecile

[Spurminator]

It's not the games that led to the desire to shoot real people (especially kids) but it is the games (partly) that glamorize AR15s and the "ability" to do so. It's the 24/7 media reminder of what score the last shooter reached, his ranking in history and how his face was plastered all over the news that leads to copy cats, however there are crimes of passion and there are premeditated, prepared attacks (like Vegas, Walmart in El Paso and several others). Regulation of firearms would at least lessen the odds of a crime of passion to this level, since you'd have to cool down some to plan and then you might decide you're not ready to die. Premeditated and planned out attacks though are different. I believe a lot of these ass clowns broadcast their intentions because they're nobodies with an opinion no one wants to hear, so they create manifestos and the news broadcasts it all over the world. Then people get onto these subculture forums and worship it. Somewhere in there is another dipshit with an idea to do the same.

Every other developed country in the world has video games, social media and web forums.

Maybe they have better publicly funded health care for mental issues? Oh, but you guys don't want that either.

[DMC]

Ohhhh?



"A Border Patrol agent" isn't "lone"? Do you understand how the English language works? "A" is plural?
That was copypasta from the AP story.

Here's what I said


Well it's obvious no one in the school had one but him. Then someone with a gun stopped him.

[Splits]

That was copypasta from the AP story.

Here's what I said


Well it's obvious no one in the school had one but him. Then someone with a gun stopped him.

:lmao "someONE"

Can you at least admit it took a TAC team to "stop" him?

[Spurminator]

If only there was some way to "check" an 18-year-old's social media content prior to letting him bring home two AR-15's. Sort of a view into his "background," if you will.

[DMC]

Every other developed country in the world has social media and web forums.

They have restaurants too, why isn't their obesity level at 50% or higher?

[ChumpDumper]

There were three officers (one from the school) who fired on Ramos before he went into the school so DMC is wrong again.

[DMC]

If only there was some way to "check" an 18-year-old's social media content prior to letting him bring home two AR-15's. Sort of a view into his "background," if you will.

Why not? It's not part of the background check now. They all have social media accounts and they all make comments or even live stream it.

[DMC]

:lmao "someONE"

Can you at least admit it took a TAC team to "stop" him?

Do you think the entire team shot him? Or did someone on the team shoot him? someONE?

But sure, ok. That's even more than one more gun. That's mOaR GuNz.

You really want that one back, don't you? That tiny w must have hurt to lose :lol

[Splits]

There were three officers (one from the school) who fired on Ramos before he went into the school so DMC is wrong again.

The suspect was immediately engaged outside the building as he approached the school by a Uvalde Independent School District police officer, who was shot by the suspect, the sources said. After that, the suspect entered the school, barricaded himself in a classroom and allegedly opened fire, killing 18 students, who were mainly third- and fourth-graders, as well as one teacher, the sources said.

There, he traded gunfire with Uvalde ISD officer and Border Patrol Tactical Unit agents, a number of whom have children who attend the school, according to the sources. The Border Patrol agents responded to a law enforcement request for assistance.

[ChumpDumper]

DMC is going to go into super semantic mode next.

Or he'll go straight to his personal Rolodex.

[Spurminator]

They have restaurants too, why isn't their obesity level at 50% or higher?

I'm glad you asked!

Because they have laws.

https://epha.org/junk-food-evolution-of-the-legislation-in-european-countries/

[DMC]

I'm glad you asked!

Because they have laws.

https://epha.org/junk-food-evolution-of-the-legislation-in-european-countries/

It's illegal to kill children here, last I checked.

[ElNono]

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lol posted from ChIcAgO, iL

[baseline bum]

Nice duck and dodge :lol

Honestly, I don't think there is a solution. These are obviously mentally disturbed people. what is their motive? Dubious "fame"? Making it policy not to release their names might help in that case. Just call every one "mentally disturbed shooter".

Higher level (better qualified) of security at schools is another.

Beyond that I really don't see any reasonable solutions.

USA only place on earth with mentally disturbed people

[Spurminator]

It's illegal to kill children here, last I checked.

It's also illegal to kill children there. So what's the difference? You'll get there soon.

[DMC]

Also LaGuardia has almost 1100 armed security officers. I don't think a school would need that many, but let's consider per capita of the building being secured.

[DMC]

It's also illegal to kill children there. So what's the difference? You'll get there soon.

It's not illegal to eat food there, nor illegal to have food there. The areas you showed were for kids. So kids are protected from being exposed to unhealthy foods in UK but not protected from being exposed to gunfire in the US.

[DMC]

lol "dreaming up shit that can't possibly be implemented"

I didn't even propose an AR ban, which is SA2 cult kryptonite but was actually implemented during the Clinton years and actually did have an affect on mass shootings. But now my compromise proposals are DOA because you say so. Overton window and all that jazz.

If you don't like my list, what do you propose other than "mental health services" and "militarize our kindergartens"?
:lol no it didn't

[CosmicCowboy]

I would like to see high tech security systems on all schools. We have the technology. AI monitors everywhere. Auto locking doors perimeter and classrooms. The second a gun is detected the system goes on lockdown, preferably before the shooter even goes into the school.

There are 130k k-12 schools in the US. Who pays for this? The DHS budget to protect 5k airports is $7b, Extrapolate, you're looking at a $200b+/year budget to protect schools. If your answer is gun owners, then I am partially for it. The non-partially for it asks "who wants their kids going to school in a totalitarian surveillance state?"

Have qualified security available not just fat rent-a -cops that couldn't cut it on a regular police force. It doesn't have to be oppressive. Secret Service does a great job of being there without being obviously militant.

The "rent-a-cop" wife was one of the victims. He's a SWAT trained officer


Yeah, we need the US Army protecting 130k schools because this SWAT trained local officer couldn't even save his wife

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I would like to see something where kids could anonymously report troubling things they see from other students on social media. Publicize it and emphasize they are helping the other student and not ratting on them.

Yeah, well Ramos fucker didn't go to school. How do you report someone who doesn't go to school?

I'm OK with raising the age to 21 to buy guns. I'm OK with extending the waiting period if it means better background checks and I'm ok with the checks including social media.

We finally agree on something other than body armor


Ok, you didn't like those. Back to thoughts and prayers.

[DMC]

:lol outlawing body armor... "you must be exposed to a bullet!"

[Blake]

Ok, you didn't like those. Back to thoughts and prayers.

Says the Republicans every time.

Guns and prayers.

[CosmicCowboy]

Says the Republicans every time.

Guns and prayers.

Apparently splits is back to thoughts and prayers too since his ideas are nonstarters and he doesn't like mine.

[CosmicCowboy]

And Blake is still a fucking loser idiot.

[Blake]

And Blake is still a fucking loser idiot.

Yeah that doesn't really mean anything coming from someone that gets shit on all over the place here nearly every time he steps into a thread.

[SnakeBoy]

fake tweet, boomer

"Speaking truth to power," said Rep. Dean Phillips, D-Minn., in a tweet that has since been deleted. Phillips' tweet included a photo of O'Rourke's interruption next to the famous photograph of a Chinese man holding shopping bags blocking the path of a communist Chinese tank. Phillips' office did not immediately respond to Fox News Digital's request for comment.

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Still with him :cry

[Trainwreck2100]

:lmao

so you can't see the difference between your original story "lone good guy rushes elementary school, takes out gunman" to the actual story "lone good guy gets outgunned by mass shooter because of his weaponry, waits 30 minutes for backup and tactical unit which take out gunman while 19 kids get murdered"

Is that true, they really gave him 30minutrd alone to massacre?

[ElNono]

Apparently splits is back to thoughts and prayers too since his ideas are nonstarters and he doesn't like mine.

Why are they non-starters? Maybe that’s where the problem is?

[Blake]

Apparently splits is back to thoughts and prayers too since his ideas are nonstarters and he doesn't like mine.

:lol he laid out well thought out ideas. you're just pissy because he doesn't like yours.

[SnakeBoy]

Shall.Not.Be.Infringed

[CosmicCowboy]

Why are they non-starters? Maybe that’s where the problem is?

I have already given the reasons.

[CosmicCowboy]

Why are they non-starters? Maybe that’s where the problem is?

I have already given the reasons.

[Blake]

Facebook is denying Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s (R) allegation that the gunman who killed 21 people, including 19 children, at a Texas elementary school on Tuesday posted publicly about the attack on its platform.


Abbott said during a press conference Wednesday that the gunman, Salvador Ramos, posted three times before the shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde.

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3501522-facebook-rejects-abbott-allegation-about-texas-shooters-posts/

What a dip shit.

[DMC]

Well that changes everything.

[Blake]

Well that changes everything.

Nope, Abbott was already a dip shit

[ElNono]

Well that changes everything.

That’s all Abbott cares about if we’re being honest. How to spin this shit and blame somebody else.

[SnakeBoy]

Ole Joe has the answer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-mztxHgYQo

[ChumpDumper]

Also LaGuardia has almost 1100 armed security officers. I don't think a school would need that many, but let's consider per capita of the building being secured.Uvalde ISD has its own police force and three officers shot at the gunman before he went into the school.

How many armed guards to you want for 600 students?

[ElNono]

Ole Joe has the answer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-mztxHgYQo

He’s your daddy, you should listen to him

[SnakeBoy]

He’s your daddy, you should listen to him

Already have one

[rascal]

USA Should have gun laws like they have in Japan.

[CosmicCowboy]

Facebook is denying Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s (R) allegation that the gunman who killed 21 people, including 19 children, at a Texas elementary school on Tuesday posted publicly about the attack on its platform.


Abbott said during a press conference Wednesday that the gunman, Salvador Ramos, posted three times before the shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde.

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3501522-facebook-rejects-abbott-allegation-about-texas-shooters-posts/

What a dip shit.

I just listened to the press conference Abbott said he posted on Facebook. Messenger is Facebook. He did not use the word "publicly". That was facebook ducking and dodging. Im not saying it was their responsibility but the killer did post it on Facebook messenger.

[Spurminator]

Why are they non-starters? Maybe that’s where the problem is?

They're nonstarters because of some fictional fantasy where The Squad becomes avid gun rights advocates for minorities and Republicans don't vote against every hint of gun control legislation.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol what is Facebook supposed to do?

[CosmicCowboy]

They're not starters because of some fictional fantasy where The Squad becomes avid gun rights advocates for minorities and Republicans don't vote against every hint of gun control legislation.

Pass that and I guarantee you it will be poor blacks and minorities going to jail for unregistered gun possession just like they did with marijuana and crack.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol what is Facebook supposed to do?

I specifically said it wasn't Facebook responsibility. Reading is fundamental.

[ChumpDumper]

I specifically said it wasn't Facebook responsibility. Reading is fundamental.

My question was rhetorical which goes back to Blake's post. Calm down.

[Spurminator]

Pass that and I guarantee you it will be poor blacks and minorities going to jail for unregistered gun possession just like they did with marijuana and crack.

How do you legally get crack in a way that disproportionately benefits white people?

The racial disparity with drugs isn't that white people are able to more easily afford the legal protocols to get drugs, it's that black people are disproportionately punished for drugs.

[CosmicCowboy]

My question was rhetorical which goes back to Blake's post. Calm down.

It would gave been nice if the girl he sent it to had called 911. I just killed my grandmother was pretty specific.

[ChumpDumper]

It would gave been nice if the girl he sent it to had called 911. I just killed my grandmother was pretty specific.Not sure the situation gets any better than three armed officers shooting at him before he went into the school.

[SnakeBoy]

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Desperate for attention :lol
Next JFK :lol
Born for this :lol

[ChumpDumper]

:lol staged upstaging of a staged political event

[SnakeBoy]

Still With Him :cry

:lmao

[Ef-man]

Already have one

Joe is the daddy that sticks around, not the alcoholic baby daddy that left your mom high and dry after he knocked her up with you, just saying.

[SnakeBoy]

Joe is the daddy that sticks around, not the alcoholic baby daddy that left your mom high and dry after he knocked her up with you, just saying.

You worked hard on that one :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Still With Him :cry

:lmao

:lmao you still haven't said one thing about the shooting and dead kids

literally anything else

:lmao Trumptard