Shams: Spurs Waive Josh Primo

[BatManu20]

Decapitated. Whole big thing. We had a funeral for a bird.

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[SPURt]

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F Primo. F Brian Wright too. There is no silver lining in any or this.

[gospursgojas]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1588253626275102720/photo/1

Guys, well some of you. Instead of delighting yourself in the demise of SA Spurs have you read RC Buford statement ?

For all who believe in the good guys that's great news.

- Spurs "disagree with the accuracy, details and timeline" ... Well to make such a statement Buford has to feel on solid ground.

- Spurs don't pay Buzzbee : they will allow the legal process to play out. That's a proof of the Spurs culture : we don't kneel. We stand our ground.

- "We will continue to live by our values and culture" : Strong affirmation of Spurs way of being.

Of course this doesn't play well for the fake Spurs fans who wish the FO hell.

This short statement doesn't appear to come from a weak, hurt, damaged organization but from one who will fight according to its strong values.

We'll see. It's just the beginning.

This

[timvp]

timvp what is your take on Spurs picking up Primos option just a few weeks before release?

Pop really didn’t know and Wright kept it under wraps and didnt say anything? Primo didnt have anything else come to light after initial report and only after (just bad luck?) another incident reported and Spurs had to let him go?

Not to dodge your question but I heard this today and I don't know why I didn't previously put two-and-two together. The Spurs had until Oct. 31 to pick up Primo's team option. For some reason, they picked up his option on Oct. 10. They ended up waiving him on Oct. 28. Wright should have at the very least waited until the Oct. 31 deadline if there's an open investigation, right?

I don't think that's proof that Wright is guilty but it sounds like he's not the best planner or strategizer of all-time, tbh. Then again, with all the dead money on the cap currently and over the last few years, that's become pretty obvious.

[JeffDuncan]

[MENTION=8]… what is your take on Spurs picking up Primos option just a few weeks before release? …



Pop didn’t know about Primo’s misbehavior at that time, is my conclusion. If I can toss my 2 cents in.

[Chomag]

The fact that Brian Wrong still has a job right now is pretty mind boggling.

[DPG21920]

Pop didn’t know about Primo’s misbehavior at that time, is my conclusion. If I can toss my 2 cents in.

Ya - but Wright did…so he just didnt say anything? And then not only SA had to let Primo go but had to pay him now when it should have been known?

[lefty20]

The fact that Brian Wrong still has a job right now is pretty mind boggling.

Hopefully its cuz RC is trynna get his ducks in a row before firing him. Gotta make sure they have enough so he can't hit em back with a wrongful termination suit himself.

[timvp]

The fact that Brian Wrong still has a job right now is pretty mind boggling.

I think it's pretty clear behind the scenes that:

A) If Wright actively tried to bury Primo's activities, he likely would have gotten fired when Primo was waived.

B) If Wright has documented proof that he reported Primo's activities to the appropriate people in the franchise, his job is safe.

I don't think there's much grey area in between.

[timvp]

Pop really didn’t know and Wright kept it under wraps and didnt say anything?

It's my experience that executives and other high ranking individuals in high profile organizations are purposely not told HR-related issues. The reason being that if there is a lawsuit that comes from an HR issue, you want to contain the lawsuit to the HR department as much as possible instead of such a lawsuit bringing down the entire organization.

[DPG21920]

It's my experience that executives and other high ranking individuals in high profile organizations are purposely not told HR-related issues. The reason being that if there is a lawsuit that comes from an HR issue, you want to contain the lawsuit to the HR department as much as possible instead of such a lawsuit bringing down the entire organization.

For sure - that makes total sense. But Wright knew and didnt say “hey, ummm, lets not rush this player option. No need to and its best to wait until deadline”?

Doesn’t that alone make you question his abilities on top of reaching so hard for Primo and it blowing up?

[RC_Drunkford]

right now this case is a he say she say case. She will need more witnesses to even prove this, otherwise it's just statement against statement

[timvp]

For sure - that makes total sense. But Wright knew and didnt say “hey, ummm, lets not rush this player option. No need to and its best to wait until deadline”?

Doesn’t that alone make you question his abilities on top of reaching so hard for Primo and it blowing up?

Yeah I didn't like the selection of Primo and picking up that team option early was dumb given the circumstances (maybe it was because they picked up Devin's on the same day and decided to cut down on the paperwork and pick up Primo's that day too -- but that's a bad excuse).

But, tbh, I haven't see anything to make me jump on the "Fire Wright" bandwagon. It's not pretty but I don't so anything damning enough that he needs to go right this second.

RC saying there are issues with Buzbee's timeline is basically RC defending Wright because that timeline is what could potentially get Wright in trouble, IMO.

[DPG21920]

Yeah I didn't like the selection of Primo and picking up that team option early was dumb given the circumstances (maybe it was because they picked up Devin's on the same day and decided to cut down on the paperwork and pick up Primo's that day too -- but that's a bad excuse).

But, tbh, I haven't see anything to make me jump on the "Fire Wright" bandwagon. It's not pretty but I don't so anything damning enough that he needs to go right this second.

RC saying there are issues with Buzbee's timeline is basically RC defending Wright because that timeline is what could potentially get Wright in trouble, IMO.

I was critical of Wright early and his previous team track records are less than stellar, but hes impressed me lately with this last off season. He made trades and helped pick a solid direction.

But, even if not fireable, how are PATFO cool with paying Primo 8M and not only burning the pick but burning it in this fashion lol?

So even if there is not enough to fire him from an ethical perspective - everyone has to be looking at him like bruh? You could not have saved us the 8M on top of the headache you knew we were going to deal with??

[timvp]

I was critical of Wright early and his previous team track records are less than stellar, but hes impressed me lately with this last off season. He made trades and helped pick a solid direction.

But, even if not fireable, how are PATFO cool with paying Primo 8M and not only burning the pick but burning it in this fashion lol?

So even if there is not enough to fire him from an ethical perspective - everyone has to be looking at him like bruh? You could not have saved us the 8M on top of the headache you knew we were going to deal with??

The option was ~$4.5 million so we're talking, what, like 3% of the cap? That's not that huge of a deal, especially for a team who will likely operate below the cap for the foreseeable future.

Wright might get fired but it's not going to be because of $4.5 million in lost cap space. That's like 1/3rd of the DeMarre Carroll debacle :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

If your lawyer says stay quiet, it doesn’t matter what some yahoo says on a message board. You don’t, nor should care other than what a legal rep says.


You're saying that their lawyer told them to be quiet about sexual abuse, and they went along with it. What would Pop say if he found out that some other team had used that excuse? He would call them out as sexist pigs, and condemn all the fans who tried to defend it. He would demand that the owner and GM, at the very least, be kicked out of the league. You know it. Everyone here knows it.

Just remember that they wouldn't let her travel with the team, and told her that they didn't think she could act professionally (paraphrased). She reported the indecent exposure. The team ignored her. She turned up the volume, and they decided that she was being hysterical - from the Greek root "hystera", meaning uterus.

They will trump up (pun intended) some other excuse for why they got rid of her, and virtue-signalling Pop will have plausible deniability. They picked up his option LONG after they were told about this issue, but that money lets them say that he didn't get sent away penniless, and they don't look so bad.

[RC_Drunkford]

they probably met here publicly

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[DPG21920]

The option was ~$4.5 million so we're talking, what, like 3% of the cap? That's not that huge of a deal, especially for a team who will likely operate below the cap for the foreseeable future.

Wright might get fired but it's not going to be because of $4.5 million in lost cap space. That's like 1/3rd of the DeMarre Carroll debacle :lol

Sorry - should have clarified; its not about the money per se its more about looking at him in the meetings and marveling at how every step of the way he didnt help lol

Ya, the money itself not an issue and not prohibitive but when thinking about the thought processs, the headache his pick has caused and how he could not even think about this detail enough to at least salvage anything? I dont know…It would be hard for me to not think this person lacks any common sense.

[Kurik]

3% of the cap not being a big deal is fine and all but little things like that will show up in other dealings, responsibilities, and separate shitty to average, good and great, etc.

[lmbebo]

The option was ~$4.5 million so we're talking, what, like 3% of the cap? That's not that huge of a deal, especially for a team who will likely operate below the cap for the foreseeable future.

Wright might get fired but it's not going to be because of $4.5 million in lost cap space. That's like 1/3rd of the DeMarre Carroll debacle :lol

And Spurs have written off much more than that. Wouldn't mind them writing off $4.5 million in lost cap space to myself either.

[RC_Drunkford]

The option was ~$4.5 million so we're talking, what, like 3% of the cap? That's not that huge of a deal, especially for a team who will likely operate below the cap for the foreseeable future.

Wright might get fired but it's not going to be because of $4.5 million in lost cap space. That's like 1/3rd of the DeMarre Carroll debacle :lol

yeah right, not an issue but the franchise been had at least one dead contract on the cap consistently for 5 years straight. At some point you need to wonder why they fuck up everytime

[CGD]

Not to dodge your question but I heard this today and I don't know why I didn't previously put two-and-two together. The Spurs had until Oct. 31 to pick up Primo's team option. For some reason, they picked up his option on Oct. 10. They ended up waiving him on Oct. 28. Wright should have at the very least waited until the Oct. 31 deadline if there's an open investigation, right?

I don't think that's proof that Wright is guilty but it sounds like he's not the best planner or strategizer of all-time, tbh. Then again, with all the dead money on the cap currently and over the last few years, that's become pretty obvious.

Alternatively, the really bad stuff or the thing that forced their hand happened after 10/10.

[vy65]

Regardless of how much or how little of the cap is used up, Wright took 8 million dollars and literally set it on fire while not keeping the organization he stewards out of a very messy and public lawsuit. How do you not question someone’s competence after all that?

[CGD]

Regardless of how much or how little of the cap is used up, Wright took 8 million dollars and literally set it on fire while not keeping the organization he stewards out of a very messy and public lawsuit. How do you not question someone’s competence after all that?

That has not been established by any means as of the date of this post.

[timvp]

And Spurs have written off much more than that. Wouldn't mind them writing off $4.5 million in lost cap space to myself either.

The Spurs have a long history of dead money for some reason. Going all the way back to Pop's infamous Charles Smith trade, IIRC, they had to eat something like $15 million in dead cap space over a couple years back when the salary cap was like $25 million. The hilarious stat I remember is the Spurs paid Charles Smith more money during the 1999 championship run than they paid Tim Duncan -- and Smith hadn't played basketball since 1997 :lmao

[KobesAchilles]

We need to borrow from the Texans playbook and fire the people in charge and pay off the woman quietly. Wright needs to be fired ASAP and pay the woman her price. Get our name out of the news and focus all the attention on Primo the player. Nobody talks about the Texans role in Watsons case. They only talk about Watson. We should follow their lead

[gambit1990]

footage of primo and the woman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYV4btxlfBc


except primo was wearing basketball shorts so she accidentally saw more than she was supposed to.

[vy65]

That has not been established by any means as of the date of this post.

Huh? Those are uncontested facts

-Primo got an 8+MM extension
-Primo got waived
-Spurs got sued
-Media is reporting on the spurs lawsuit

If you don’t think that’s evidence of incompetence, then I’d hate to see what it takes to convince you

[gambit1990]

i'm not up to date about wright's involvement, i see everyone wants him gone... i'm not defending him but maybe he kept this from pop on purpose / to protect him legally.

[Das Texan]

Yeah I didn't like the selection of Primo and picking up that team option early was dumb given the circumstances (maybe it was because they picked up Devin's on the same day and decided to cut down on the paperwork and pick up Primo's that day too -- but that's a bad excuse).

But, tbh, I haven't see anything to make me jump on the "Fire Wright" bandwagon. It's not pretty but I don't so anything damning enough that he needs to go right this second.

RC saying there are issues with Buzbee's timeline is basically RC defending Wright because that timeline is what could potentially get Wright in trouble, IMO.

I mean other than Brian Wright's dumb basketball related decisions lol

[RC_Drunkford]

well at least Kyrie getting suspended should take some of the media coverage off the Spurs

[Atl Spur]

That has not been established by any means as of the date of this post.

In his mind it has and he’s out for blood! Truth be damned……just make up a narrative & run with it!

[CGD]

The funky fact in the case is the role of the plaintiff as the team psychiatrist. Im not justifying the flashing, but it does make this feel a little different than if it had been any one else on staff.

It also makes me wonder if it was more than “exposing,” such as exposing plus unwanted innuendo etc.

[Atl Spur]

I mean other than Brian Wright's dumb basketball related decisions lol

Let’s not forget the good ones that got your little panties wet��

[DPG21920]

Less about results and more about process. You have a guy who is so lazy he would rather save on paperwork than keep the team out of trouble :lol

“Ya, it would be best knowing what I know to not rush Primos option, but on the other hand, I can save 30 minutes of paperwork by doing it with Vassell’s” lol

[CGD]

In his mind it has and he’s out for blood! Truth be damned……just make up a narrative & run with it!

Ah, got it. He’s one of these “Brian Wright is a diversity hire” dumb fucks.

[BatManu20]

footage of primo and the woman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYV4btxlfBc


except primo was wearing basketball shorts so she accidentally saw more than she was supposed to.

:lol Great episode tbh.

[Mugen]

Not to dodge your question but I heard this today and I don't know why I didn't previously put two-and-two together. The Spurs had until Oct. 31 to pick up Primo's team option. For some reason, they picked up his option on Oct. 10. They ended up waiving him on Oct. 28. Wright should have at the very least waited until the Oct. 31 deadline if there's an open investigation, right?

I don't think that's proof that Wright is guilty but it sounds like he's not the best planner or strategizer of all-time, tbh. Then again, with all the dead money on the cap currently and over the last few years, that's become pretty obvious.

I'd fire him just for that tbh, wtf :lol

[PhantomDashCam]

“We disagree with the accuracy of facts, details and timeline presented today…” and yet we guaranteed Primo’s 3rd Yr only to waive him two weeks later in likely direct relation to what is the subject of “rumours” etc.

So we are either liars, incompetent or both…

No way does the FO come out of this unscathed.

[spurraider21]

footage of primo and the woman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYV4btxlfBc


except primo was wearing basketball shorts so she accidentally saw more than she was supposed to.
fify


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QSdO8D07r8

[ElNono]

I mean they use long pants in the NBA today… this isn’t the 80s… Looks like the kid is a prodigy, tbh… maybe if the NBA doesn’t work out, Brazzers might have a gig for him…

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I mean they use long pants in the NBA today… this isn’t the 80s… Looks like the kid is a prodigy, tbh… maybe if the NBA doesn’t work out, Brazzers might have a gig for him…

prodigy = John Holmes

[lmbebo]

The Spurs have a long history of dead money for some reason. Going all the way back to Pop's infamous Charles Smith trade, IIRC, they had to eat something like $15 million in dead cap space over a couple years back when the salary cap was like $25 million. The hilarious stat I remember is the Spurs paid Charles Smith more money during the 1999 championship run than they paid Tim Duncan -- and Smith hadn't played basketball since 1997 :lmao


wow, wasn't aware of that.

[lmbebo]

well at least Kyrie getting suspended should take some of the media coverage off the Spurs

actually haven't heard much about the Primo situation in the media

[Spurs Homer]

The bizarre thing to me is that Primo would expose himself to a professional spurs staff doctor -

I mean that is just unexplainable -

I get it - primo is a head case - but can anyone be that stupid to actually commit his crime in front of a witness who could harm him the most?

Not that it would be excusable to expose yourself to ANYONE - but to a authority figure in your own organization that pays your salary????

Just bizarro...

[Chomag]

actually haven't heard much about the Primo situation in the media

That's because our local media is a joke when it comes to the Spurs, they just slurp it up with whatever Pop and the FO feeds them. Most of the investigative reporting that I have seen has been outside media.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

- Spurs don't pay Buzzbee




tbh Spurs will probably end up paying Buzbee

[gospursgojas]

Am i the only one that thinks after she reported this the spurs were probs like “yeah he’s a sicko that’s why we sent him to to you”.

And when she asked “why aren’t you doing something about it” they were like “we thought we were. We sent him to the shrink”

[KingKev]

Am i the only one that thinks after she reported this the spurs were probs like “yeah he’s a sicko that’s why we sent him to to you”.

And when she asked “why aren’t you doing something about it” they were like “we thought we were. We sent him to the shrink”

haha this might be the most reasonable synopsis of the scenario.

[manufan10]

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[timvp]

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That's going to be a tricky one to prove, tbh. Some of the evidence will be blocked by HIPAA. Primo's defense will also hammer home the point that if she felt threatened, her code of ethics states he should have been referred elsewhere and she should have stopped working with him.

Considering that Primo basically admitted some sort of guilt in his initial press release and considering that the Spurs waived him, Primo is probably a serial offender who deserves to be punished. I ... just don't think the psychologist has the greatest case due to the unique circumstances of her job and the limitations that will create when it comes to which evidence can be used in a court of law.

[ElNono]

That's going to be a tricky one to prove, tbh. Some of the evidence will be blocked by HIPAA. Primo's defense will also hammer home the point that if she felt threatened, her code of ethics states he should have been referred elsewhere and she should have stopped working with him.

Considering that Primo basically admitted some sort of guilt in his initial press release and considering that the Spurs waived him, Primo is probably a serial offender who deserves to be punished. I ... just don't think the psychologist has the greatest case due to the unique circumstances of her job and the limitations that will create when it comes to which evidence can be used in a court of law.

There seems to be a misunderstanding here: HIPAA, client-attorney, patient-doctor, etc do not shield criminal conduct.
The rest is correct. Ultimately, unless she has a taped recording it’s all hearsay (even if she reported it to the Spurs)

This is why her attorney is looking for additional victims, so he can establish a pattern (which would at least help a civil prosecution). Neither the Spurs or Primo have made any reference or admission about exposure being the ‘trauma’.

[Maddog]

That's going to be a tricky one to prove, tbh. Some of the evidence will be blocked by HIPAA. Primo's defense will also hammer home the point that if she felt threatened, her code of ethics states he should have been referred elsewhere and she should have stopped working with him.

Considering that Primo basically admitted some sort of guilt in his initial press release and considering that the Spurs waived him, Primo is probably a serial offender who deserves to be punished. I ... just don't think the psychologist has the greatest case due to the unique circumstances of her job and the limitations that will create when it comes to which evidence can be used in a court of law.

I said in another thread- I have a problem with a health care provider suing and or filling criminal charges against a patient.
Of course we don't know all the facts- the rumor about him blocking her from getting out

[R. DeMurre]

I hope all (or most, more realistically) of the facts eventually come out, because it's such a confusing situation. I don't doubt at all that Primo did something extremely improper, but I still have a hard time wrapping my brain around the image of Dr Cauthen getting up one morning after having been sexually flashed by Primo eight previous times, checking her schedule for the day, and moving forward by getting ready for yet another session with him. I have two good friends who are in the psych/counseling world, and both say it makes little to no sense.

[ginobilized]

The details are going to be both interesting and cringe-worthy to watch unfold.
I can imagine that the prosecution is betting that this never sees a court room. Once the shock and awe of the allegations wear off, they may not have the detailed data to win a case.
If they do, however, our Spurs citadel and all its precious culture will be crumbling before our eyes. Today, my money is on the Spurs.

[timvp]

There seems to be a misunderstanding here: HIPAA, client-attorney, patient-doctor, etc do not shield criminal conduct.

True, but what I meant was a lot of the discussions she had with Primo during their sessions would not be allowed in a court room, AFAIK. Whereas, the supposed Reddit Four Seasons Accuser wouldn't have any restrictions on what was said between her and Primo.

[rjv]

I hope all (or most, more realistically) of the facts eventually come out, because it's such a confusing situation. I don't doubt at all that Primo did something extremely improper, but I still have a hard time wrapping my brain around the image of Dr Cauthen getting up one morning after having been sexually flashed by Primo eight previous times, checking her schedule for the day, and moving forward by getting ready for yet another session with him. I have two good friends who are in the psych/counseling world, and both say it makes little to no sense.

same. i know a few therapists who are trying to piece together the missing pieces because it all sounds so baffling to them.

[Ocotillo]

I don't have a background in counseling but the two things that had me scratching my head about her side of this is continuing to see Primo after 1 or 2 times of improper conduct and that she did not have the urgency to get a meeting with Wright for almost three months. I know Wright was supposedly the one putting it off but I would go talk to someone else if I couldn't get in to see him for months.

[ducks]

That's going to be a tricky one to prove, tbh. Some of the evidence will be blocked by HIPAA. Primo's defense will also hammer home the point that if she felt threatened, her code of ethics states he should have been referred elsewhere and she should have stopped working with him.

Considering that Primo basically admitted some sort of guilt in his initial press release and considering that the Spurs waived him, Primo is probably a serial offender who deserves to be punished. I ... just don't think the psychologist has the greatest case due to the unique circumstances of her job and the limitations that will create when it comes to which evidence can be used in a court of law.


So where is the line crossed with his behavior ?
Actually raping her
He blocked the door at one point .

She has a unique job but she should not see all his private parts

[ElNono]

True, but what I meant was a lot of the discussions she had with Primo during their sessions would not be allowed in a court room, AFAIK. Whereas, the supposed Reddit Four Seasons Accuser wouldn't have any restrictions on what was said between her and Primo.

Yep. The fact that the Spurs feel confident about letting the legal process go through suggests there’s no ‘smoking gun’ type of evidence they hold. After discovery we’ll know if the plaintiff is holding any cards too.

[ducks]

I don't have a background in counseling but the two things that had me scratching my head about her side of this is continuing to see Primo after 1 or 2 times of improper conduct and that she did not have the urgency to get a meeting with Wright for almost three months. I know Wright was supposedly the one putting it off but I would go talk to someone else if I couldn't get in to see him for months.

She could not afford to lose her job
Wright did not believe her so she kepted working

[poopbox]

Am i the only one that thinks after she reported this the spurs were probs like “yeah he’s a sicko that’s why we sent him to to you”.

And when she asked “why aren’t you doing something about it” they were like “we thought we were. We sent him to the shrink”

This is my interpretation as well. There is a part where it says that after she talked to Wright about it he asked her what did she think the next steps would be and continued to have her see him cause you know, he seems to have a mental health problem, and she is a mental health professional.

I wonder if at any time did she refer primo to a different doctor? I also wonder was she not retained because, well, Primo mental health issue never got resolved. So what is the point of keeping her employed?

Or maybe she views it as he had some different mental health issue and the flashing thing is just Primo being a cocky...pun intended...19 year old millionaire who thinks that type of thing is funny and he can do what he wants and she doesn't view that as being part of his mental health issue and him just being a dirtbag?

Weirdest set of circumstances I have seen in awhile tbh.

[jjspur]

For whatever reason someone is muddying the waters here. Typically that means someone is trying to buy time in order to get a strategy straight or a legal complaint more focused. Although the shrink said she isn't looking for money, someone is looking for a good sized payday. When the truth comes out and it eventually will, someone will pay either with the loss of their job, career, reputation or big money. Whichever way it goes, the lawyers will get their piece of the pie.

[R. DeMurre]

For whatever reason someone is muddying the waters here. Typically that means someone is trying to buy time in order to get a strategy straight or a legal complaint more focused. Although the shrink said she isn't looking for money, someone is looking for a good sized payday. When the truth comes out and it eventually will, someone will pay either with the loss of their job, career, reputation or big money. Whichever way it goes, the lawyers will get their piece of the pie.


Yep... the only thing that's an absolute certainty here is that two law firms will be making a lot of money.

[exstatic]

You dont think fans are owed anything? Even with the “we are family” stuff? And how outspoken they are on other issues?

That’s like believing a company that you work for when they say that. Only chumps would.

[scott]

Very low odds Primo ever faces criminal charges... but asking the Bexar County sheriff to investigate is good theater.

[exstatic]

I said in another thread- I have a problem with a health care provider suing and or filling criminal charges against a patient.
Of course we don't know all the facts- the rumor about him blocking her from getting out
Doesn’t make it illegal or even unethical.

[Arcadian]

How can you unintentionally flash someone 8 times?

[objective]

They literally had a higher pick the year before. Hopefully Vassell is just hurt and not caught up in this, but the importance of the Primo pick is overstated compared to their other picks. He's a miss and legal hassle, but relatively speaking, he isn't a bigger missed opportunity than James Anderson was. Anderson was a high pick admit a sea of low picks. Primo is just one of the many high and mid picks the Spurs have had recently

Sorry for the late quote, but I remember wanting to respond to the comparison to Anderson.

The #12 in Primo's draft was a bigger missed opportunity than the #20 in Anderson's draft, due to the talent available. Just looking at how many more lottery picks they'll have as a bad team I don't think paints a complete picture.

The 2010 was notorious for being crap after 19. A couple of years after it happened I remember a Bill Simmons podcast talking about and gushing over how lucky the Celtics were to be 19 because Avery Bradley was the last draftable player and it's hard to argue he was wrong. From 20-60, only 2 guys had 10 year careers, Whiteside and Lance Stephenson, and both guys had their particular issues getting there. Only Trevor Booker other than those 2 had an 8 year career.

There's probably starting with the #12 pick about 10 guys in the 21 draft I could foresee having 10+ year careers (or at least 8 years) from a list of about 15 names give or take.

I'm most positive about the chances of (in draft order) Moody, Sengun, Mann, I. Jackson, Grimes, Hyland, Aldama, JRE, Herb Jones, Dosunmu.

There's more guys who will still could end up having better careers than the rest of the 2010 picks from 20-30 whose best guy was probably Trevor Booker who played 8 years. Duarte, Kispert, Jalen Johnson, Keon Johnson, Josh Christopher, and some other guys who might stick around.

With the Anderson pick, there's basically nobody who could be reasonably seen as doing any better as a spur, because there wasn't anyone who could have been expected to do better. Whiteside was too immature. Lance definitely would not have been over himself, and guys like Booker and Vasquez were just 8th-10th men at best. But for 2021 I'm certain there will be players who could be looked back on as players who could have done more for SA than Barry Allen

As a final illustration of how bad that draft was with only 2 players from 20-60 having a 10 or more year career:

I went back to the 2000 draft through the 2013 draft, and the fewest other than 2010 was a year with 5 guys. But there were 2 years of 14 or 15 ! guys. Even forecasting forward 3 years through the 2016 draft, I can't imagine those years having fewer than 5 guys.

00 - 6 players
01 - 11
02 - 8
03 - 15
04 - 8
05 - 14
06 - 7
07 - 8
08 - 9
09 - 10
10 - 2
11 - 5 for now but Bojan Bogdanovic is sitting at 9 years and just signed a 2 year extension
12 - 5
13 - 6 (though I'd barely count Muscala)
14 projection - 8
15 projection - 9
16 protection - at least 5, outside chance of a couple more but they'd likely be fringe

2010 draft picks 20-60 = trash

[Wu36]

She could not afford to lose her job
Wright did not believe her so she kepted working
So she was hired to help, saw an issue 9 times but never tried to correct the issue. As in why she was hired. So she wasn’t asked to summer league? Why most players are just tryouts. Asked to work from home in the off season? Well players are on vacation. Her contract wasn’t pick up. Well she never addressed the problem she saw. Only asked others to do so.

[Maddog]

Doesn’t make it illegal or even unethical.
Not illegal
I think the latter if up for debate
But only if one knows all the facts

[Wu36]

She said she never called him out on it. She’s says she can’t say what they talked about, yet said she let 9 issues slide.

[Das Texan]

Sorry for the late quote, but I remember wanting to respond to the comparison to Anderson.

The #12 in Primo's draft was a bigger missed opportunity than the #20 in Anderson's draft, due to the talent available. Just looking at how many more lottery picks they'll have as a bad team I don't think paints a complete picture.

The 2010 was notorious for being crap after 19. A couple of years after it happened I remember a Bill Simmons podcast talking about and gushing over how lucky the Celtics were to be 19 because Avery Bradley was the last draftable player and it's hard to argue he was wrong. From 20-60, only 2 guys had 10 year careers, Whiteside and Lance Stephenson, and both guys had their particular issues getting there. Only Trevor Booker other than those 2 had an 8 year career.

There's probably starting with the #12 pick about 10 guys in the 21 draft I could foresee having 10+ year careers (or at least 8 years) from a list of about 15 names give or take.

I'm most positive about the chances of (in draft order) Moody, Sengun, Mann, I. Jackson, Grimes, Hyland, Aldama, JRE, Herb Jones, Dosunmu.

There's more guys who will still could end up having better careers than the rest of the 2010 picks from 20-30 whose best guy was probably Trevor Booker who played 8 years. Duarte, Kispert, Jalen Johnson, Keon Johnson, Josh Christopher, and some other guys who might stick around.

With the Anderson pick, there's basically nobody who could be reasonably seen as doing any better as a spur, because there wasn't anyone who could have been expected to do better. Whiteside was too immature. Lance definitely would not have been over himself, and guys like Booker and Vasquez were just 8th-10th men at best. But for 2021 I'm certain there will be players who could be looked back on as players who could have done more for SA than Barry Allen

As a final illustration of how bad that draft was with only 2 players from 20-60 having a 10 or more year career:

I went back to the 2000 draft through the 2013 draft, and the fewest other than 2010 was a year with 5 guys. But there were 2 years of 14 or 15 ! guys. Even forecasting forward 3 years through the 2016 draft, I can't imagine those years having fewer than 5 guys.

00 - 6 players
01 - 11
02 - 8
03 - 15
04 - 8
05 - 14
06 - 7
07 - 8
08 - 9
09 - 10
10 - 2
11 - 5 for now but Bojan Bogdanovic is sitting at 9 years and just signed a 2 year extension
12 - 5
13 - 6 (though I'd barely count Muscala)
14 projection - 8
15 projection - 9
16 protection - at least 5, outside chance of a couple more but they'd likely be fringe

2010 draft picks 20-60 = trash

Ya but that Anderson pick isnt really their fault.

Injuries happen, he looked real good before the foot issue from what I recall at the time and looked to be every bit worth of being the #20 pick or even higher.

Then the foot thing happened and he was never the same unfortuantely.

Hard to fault the Spurs for really anything but awful and terrible luck (and Anderson as well).

This Primo pick is in a category all in and of itself alone.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/andrewgreif/status/1588657588828524544?s=

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgwNPCDWIAQpJSw?format=png&name=large

[CGD]

https://twitter.com/andrewgreif/status/1588657588828524544?s=

Pop with the “If your coming for the king you best not miss” flex.

[Mugen]

https://twitter.com/andrewgreif/status/1588657588828524544?s=

I think it cut out right before Pop said: "DPG, this was for you fam!"

[objective]

Ya but that Anderson pick isnt really their fault.

Injuries happen, he looked real good before the foot issue from what I recall at the time and looked to be every bit worth of being the #20 pick or even higher.

Then the foot thing happened and he was never the same unfortuantely.

Hard to fault the Spurs for really anything but awful and terrible luck (and Anderson as well).

This Primo pick is in a category all in and of itself alone.

Injuries cut careers short in every draft. The bigger point I was making was that draft year was so terrible that there wasn't realistically anyone who would have been better for the Spurs. They couldn't handle silly Mahinmi then there's no way Whiteside would have worked. Lance Stephenson was arrested for allegedly knocking his girlfriend down a flight of stairs 2 months after being drafted, then finished his rookie season demoted to the inactive list for violating team rules. No way he lasts.

[mystargtr34]

https://twitter.com/andrewgreif/status/1588657588828524544?s=

Pretty strong statement from Pop, especially after saying he cant say much.

[Mugen]

Man, PATFO must think they have a pretty air tight case here.

A strongish statement from RC yesterday and an even stronger one from Pop today. Makes me think that BWrong is probably safe but they're leaving themselves pretty exposed if a lot more bad shit comes to light tbh.

[CGD]

There seems to be a misunderstanding here: HIPAA, client-attorney, patient-doctor, etc do not shield criminal conduct.
The rest is correct. Ultimately, unless she has a taped recording it’s all hearsay (even if she reported it to the Spurs)

This is why her attorney is looking for additional victims, so he can establish a pattern (which would at least help a civil prosecution). Neither the Spurs or Primo have made any reference or admission about exposure being the ‘trauma’.

Nobody says it does. What it does do/should do is contextualize the civil case. For example, a public defender defending someone starring down child porn charges at some level understands that they are going to be exposed to uncomfortable stuff when taking that client on. That’s relevant here too, which is why I think the corroboration of other victims is going to be essential for the plaintiffs case.

[BatManu20]

Pop saying what any coach would in his position tbh. Just gotta hope this wasn’t known by he or RC for a long time before news broke.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1588664553130557441?s=

pop says wait for the details….

[KingKev]

Well said. Pop gon’ Pop. Ultimate Puppeteer.

Not even hating, let that man sail off into the sunset or the wine field or even more fulfilling an endless amount of hot ass tiktok hoes that only want him for his money. He earned it. Salut.

[GAustex]

Ya but that Anderson pick isnt really their fault.

Injuries happen, he looked real good before the foot issue from what I recall at the time and looked to be every bit worth of being the #20 pick or even higher.

Then the foot thing happened and he was never the same unfortuantely.

Hard to fault the Spurs for really anything but awful and terrible luck (and Anderson as well).

This Primo pick is in a category all in and of itself alone.
Anderson was on fire before the injury and was getting extended playing time

[Spurs Homer]

Welp, Pop is almost convincing...

Yet there is zero explanation for Wright waiting months to respond APPROPRIATELY to the accuser and her query...
unless the accuser is full of shit and she didn't actually "clearly" report the crime as they alleged in the presser?

[jjspur]

This has been a really weird start to an NBA season. Utah and the Spurs doing really well in spite of the tanking predictions - still early though, Ben Simmons, Kyrie & Durant, James Harden injuries (what else is new) , the Lakers sucking real bad and now Primo. Its enough to make Adam Silver tear his hair out if he had any.

[CGD]

Welp, Pop is almost convincing...

Yet there is zero explanation for Wright waiting months to respond APPROPRIATELY to the accuser and her query...
unless the accuser is full of shit and she didn't actually "clearly" report the crime as they alleged in the presser?

So basically you are providing an explanation to the very thing you’re up in arms about and says has “zero explanation”? Nice

[LeBowen]

Pop saying what any coach would in his position tbh. Just gotta hope this wasn’t known by he or RC for a long time before news broke.

Yeah, but he's not just another coach, he's more or less the entire franchise. Or at least that's how everyone sees the Spurs.
Honestly, at this point I have no clue what to think about this situation anymore. Hopefully the truth comes out, regardless of what happened.
Until then, Pop deserves benefit of the doubt, no question. But heads will roll over this, because some people definitely knew what was going on.

[BillMc]

This has been a really weird start to an NBA season. Utah and the Spurs doing really well in spite of the tanking predictions - still early though, Ben Simmons, Kyrie & Durant, James Harden injuries (what else is new) , the Lakers sucking real bad and now Primo. Its enough to make Adam Silver tear his hair out if he had any.

Sadly, a huge Kyrie issue has become the norm...

[tim_duncan_fan]

People thought Dejounte had a bad attitude, but it turns out Primo was a bit of a dick too, really.

[spurraider21]

Anderson was on fire before the injury and was getting extended playing time
define "on fire"

[GAustex]

define "on fire"
I remember being pleasantly surprised at his shooting and general scoring ability. He shot with range and seemed to fit in with the team.
Then the broke foot

[rascal]

They will just throw enough money at the accuser and her lawyer and the case will be dropped.

[Spurs Homer]

So basically you are providing an explanation to the very thing you’re up in arms about and says has “zero explanation”? Nice

key word is “if”

we dont know if the accuser “clearly” reported the crime

we have ZERO explanation as to why wright waited months to respond

[The Truth #6]

“Pop, why did y’all cut Primo?”

That’s the ultimate question.

[Das Texan]

Anderson was on fire before the injury and was getting extended playing time

right that was my point.

[GAustex]

^ I think I was agreeing with you

[cjw]

We need to borrow from the Texans playbook and fire the people in charge and pay off the woman quietly. Wright needs to be fired ASAP and pay the woman her price. Get our name out of the news and focus all the attention on Primo the player. Nobody talks about the Texans role in Watsons case. They only talk about Watson. We should follow their lead

One team cut the player as soon as other incidents came to light (if you believe the Minnesota etc story).

The other stashed him away while there were dozens of accusations out there (none where details are shielded by HIPAA) and then traded him to another despicable organization. To be fair, Watson actually had significant trade value for a team that has the worst roster in the league.

Primo appears to be a predator, while Watson is a certified predator and scumbag.

And especially after Pop’s statement that came out after your post, my money is on the Spurs being pretty buttoned up on this one. This isn’t the Washington Commies or the Nyets.

[Harry Callahan]

One team cut the player as soon as other incidents came to light (if you believe the Minnesota etc story).

The other stashed him away while there were dozens of accusations out there (none where details are shielded by HIPAA) and then traded him to another despicable organization. To be fair, Watson actually had significant trade value for a team that has the worst roster in the league.

Primo appears to be a predator, while Watson is a certified predator and scumbag.

And especially after Pop’s statement that came out after your post, my money is on the Spurs being pretty buttoned up on this one. This isn’t the Washington Commies or the Nyets.

Hopefully a few people on here understand what a difficult situation the organization was in with this. You have several groups of people involved and the shrink, the team could not say anything

regarding the player over the last year or so. A single source isn't good enough. Did the shrink conduct her sessions at the practice facility? Or at her office. Your hands are tied as a business in these situations due to HIPPA/ privacy laws - and that means not only the psych doctor's but the team had to be VERY careful regarding the player. She was not at liberty to talk, but was going to do so with the bottomfeeder/lawyer. It's a mess and the lawyers (yuck) will sort it out.

Coach Pop was dead serious there too with his comments. I like the Pop that stays on the subject matter of basketball in a measured way and doesn't veer off to all the other things like he tends to do now. I'm sure the Spurs budget for background investigations will go up significantly going forward - a mistake like this on player selection is a costly situation. The player himself will probably have a very difficult time getting his basketball career back. Everyone will look at him with suspicion.

The medical professional hired will have a tough time in the future as well. Its a rotten situation.

[OldMan88]

The entire upper echelon of the organization, including Pop & RC are in a very precarious situation and will surely be forced into retirement if the evidence shows they were made aware of the allegations after the 1st incident but didn’t at least suspend Primo pending the outcome of the investigation. But this all comes down to when the “Spurs Organization” was notified of the incidents.

I’m curious as to who in the organization was stupid enough to hire a female doctor to talk to young men about their psychological problems? Who couldn’t have thought some of those problems might be sexual and might present a problem? Stupid stupid stupid!

[Texas_Ranger]

The entire upper echelon of the organization, including Pop & RC are in a very precarious situation and will surely be forced into retirement if the evidence shows they were made aware of the allegations after the 1st incident but didn’t at least suspend Primo pending the outcome of the investigation. But this all comes down to when the “Spurs Organization” was notified of the incidents.

I’m curious as to who in the organization was stupid enough to hire a female doctor to talk to young men about their psychological problems? Who couldn’t have thought some of those problems might be sexual and might present a problem? Stupid stupid stupid!

fuck, hope so.

[get_mills_out]

I’m curious as to who in the organization was stupid enough to hire a female doctor to talk to young men about their psychological problems? Who couldn’t have thought some of those problems might be sexual and might present a problem? Stupid stupid stupid!

shitty thing to say if her story is true, which I have no reason to doubt, but this was my thought too. Why do NBA teams need onsite clinical psychologists? This is the last thing on earth I’d want from a liability standpoint if I managed a bunch of 20-30 year old millionaire male athletes. Give them world class health care and encourage them to see the best local psych professionals, sure. But if the league forced me to have a shrink on-site for closed door counseling because “muh mental health”, better believe it would be a guy who looked like Toby from The Office.

[OldMan88]

Given that one of the most common mental health problems with young male athletes is their inappropriate treatment of women, it just seems obvious that hiring a female mental health counselor to conduct one on one sessions with the athlete is not smart. Many, if not most young men with these problems were raised with no father in the home to provide a positive male role model to emulate. If a young man only has testosterone to inform him on how to treat women (other than his mother), things can get ugly.

[ChumpDumper]

Given that one of the most common mental health problems with young male athletes is their inappropriate treatment of women, it just seems obvious that hiring a female mental health counselor to conduct one on one sessions with the athlete is not smart. Many, if not most young men with these problems were raised with no father in the home to provide a positive male role model to emulate. If a young man only has testosterone to inform him on how to treat women (other than his mother), things can get ugly.

Victim blaming.

[OldMan88]

Victim blaming. Not at all…. Unless she f’ed up professionally by not taking more aggressive action after the 1st exposure incident. Blame rests entirely with Primo, but the Spurs share blame by putting the female psychologist in a no-win situation. This does make me wonder exactly WHY the Spurs thought Primo needed “help” in the first place. Was there a history of aberrant behavior? Do they require ALL players to see the shrink? How many sessions did Primo have with the doctor before he invited Mr Happy to the party? At what point is the doctor ethically required to terminate her treatment sessions with an out of control patient and issue a formal psyche commitment to a hospital for observation & examination?

[ChumpDumper]

Blame rests entirely with Primo, but the Spurs share blame:lmao

[K...]

I actually think the league should make a statement about this. On one hand, the idea of a sports psychologist as an ombudsman is smart (ie issues like stress, fear of performance). On the other hand players with more serious issues will happen again. The NBA has had several known psychopaths in its ranks. The league needs to specify what issues the sports psych can handle to prevent a escalation of embarrassment like with primo. The likely problem with primo is that the psych thought the FO would handle it, Fo thought legal would fix it, and round and round.

The league needs to protect guys like Wright by making it clear how to escalate true pscych issues

[The Truth #6]

I still think the work of a sports psychologist is to improve athletic performance. Given that the psychologist is paid by the Spurs, I wonder how candid the players would be anyway. So I’m inclined to think that players don’t talk about overly deep issues, though of course it’s possible, but rather issues of motivation and coping strategies to mitigate stress during or before games.

Psychologist: “So I see you have challenges bringing the ball up against full court pressure. Hmm. Is there anything going through your mind at that time? Fear of rejection?”

Primo: Uhhh…

Psychologist: “Right. Let’s try another angle. Lets talk about your childhood and why you like to pull out your penis. Maybe there’s a connection there to your high turnover rate.”

That would never happen. And obviously I’m being sarcastic. But I wonder how much of their conversation focused on his exhibitionism or prior abuse (if that’s true.). I think very little. I think Primo’s actions likely have nothing to do with what they talked about. And I think having a sports psychologist is perfectly fine but it most likely isn’t a session with Sigmund Freud.

[BatManu20]

Pee-Wee Primo back in action :cry

Gonna be annoying seeing him in a Lakers or Raptors uni next season tbh.

1669888180240150529

[sfernald]

Is it feasible that Spurs migh give him a second chance this season?

[BatManu20]

Is it feasible that Spurs migh give him a second chance this season?

No. He’ll never be a Spur again. They’ve turned the page on he and Dejounte and will never look back tbh.

[Mr. Body]

He's still owed four million this year. Can this be used technically as an expiring?

[Seventyniner]

No. He’ll never be a Spur again. They’ve turned the page on he and Dejounte and will never look back tbh.

I think late-career Dejounte could play a year or two with the Spurs, once he's finally gotten over himself. It almost certainly won't happen but I don't think it's impossible.

Primo, never.

[lefty20]

He's still owed four million this year. Can this be used technically as an expiring?

Nope. Just dead cap, unfortunately.

[Uriel]

I mean, he is a 6”7 PG with franchise player potential.

[timtonymanu]

Always hated this bastard even before the flash. He'll probably flash again in the future and get himself removed once again. That behavior does not leave him.

[timtonymanu]

I mean, he is a 6”7 PG with franchise player potential.

:lol omg

[timtonymanu]

The Spurs are about to get Wemby and some of you actually want this loser back. :lol

[sfernald]

I mean, he is a 6”7 PG with franchise player potential.

He may have flashed that potential but ultimately got exposed.

[spursparker9]

He is training for china league

[SpurPadre]

I mean, he is a 6”7 PG with franchise player potential.

I take this as a joke, right?

[ismael-robert]

I'm sure he's been under professional therapy for months...2nd chance

[BatManu20]

The Spurs are about to get Wemby and some of you actually want this loser back. :lol

Like an abusive ex. “Maybe he’s changed” :lol

[Chinook]

I mean, he is a 6”7 PG with franchise player potential.

I thought those open growth plates pushed him up to 6-9.

[slick'81]

Bbb but hes our perv

[R. DeMurre]

Hard to believe that all of the Primo stuff happened only 8 months ago. It feels like a different era almost. It's fascinating how fortunes can change so quickly in the NBA for both teams and individual players.

[Extra Stout]

It takes a lot of balls for Primo to put himself out there like this again. Is he getting too much exposure? Should he be putting out a feeler like this? Will he be left dangling? Just seems like he’s going to stick out.

[Big Empty]

He looks like he grew taller. Damn shame he was looking pretty good before all the s$$t happened. Fk integrity i want rings bring him back in for a workout

[Chinook]

He looks like he grew taller. Damn shame he was looking pretty good before all the s$$t happened. Fk integrity i want rings bring him back in for a workout

I don't think he was looking all that good honestly. He wasn't looking bad -- there was something there to work with. But he'd had a disappointing summer league (where he was apparently flashing folks) and had already seemed to have started alienating his teammates.

[The Truth #6]

He was alienating teammates? Primodonna?

[MarCowMar]

Like an abusive ex. “Maybe he’s changed” :lol

We forgave Tony for--arguably--a greater sin, and inarguably a sin that was more destructive to total team success.

The Primo situation was indirectly created by the Spurs and their blithe dismissal of the special counseling needs of a man who experienced sexual abuse. They couldn't admit that putting a mating age woman in private proximity to him would be a bad idea. The same type of people who mock Mike Pence for not being alone in the room with a woman while cheering on serial sexual harassers who knowingly indulge in their proclivities rather than attempting to manage them.

What is supposed to happen to Primo? He never plays ball again? After splattering BLM on every object in sight we throw a teenage Black man away for one mistake? While serial drunk Buford is on the team? While adulterer Tony has a statue? I can't live with the hypocrisy of it and stand by my original statement on what the team should have done:

Turn Primo into the police and let him face the legal consequences of his actions. If he's genuine in asking for forgiveness for his sins, allow him back on the team.

Spurs should also publicly admit their failings in the situation rather than invoking Masonic secrecy rituals.

[exstatic]

We forgave Tony for--arguably--a greater sin, and inarguably a sin that was more destructive to total team success.

The Primo situation was indirectly created by the Spurs and their blithe dismissal of the special counseling needs of a man who experienced sexual abuse. They couldn't admit that putting a mating age woman in private proximity to him would be a bad idea. The same type of people who mock Mike Pence for not being alone in the room with a woman while cheering on serial sexual harassers who knowingly indulge in their proclivities rather than attempting to manage them.

What is supposed to happen to Primo? He never plays ball again? After splattering BLM on every object in sight we throw a teenage Black man away for one mistake? While serial drunk Buford is on the team? While adulterer Tony has a statue? I can't live with the hypocrisy of it and stand by my original statement on what the team should have done:

Turn Primo into the police and let him face the legal consequences of his actions. If he's genuine in asking for forgiveness for his sins, allow him back on the team.

Spurs should also publicly admit their failings in the situation rather than invoking Masonic secrecy rituals.

Tony’s little stunt didn’t cost the Spurs $8M. That was the admission.

[sfernald]

It takes a lot of balls for Primo to put himself out there like this again. Is he getting too much exposure? Should he be putting out a feeler like this? Will he be left dangling? Just seems like he’s going to stick out.

Got to admire the guy for putting it all out there. Leaving it all on the table. Some guys would shrivel under the bright lights and cool air of the auditorium.

[Chomag]

Just hopefully for his sake he made sure his shorts were tightened up.

[KobesAchilles]

We forgave Tony for--arguably--a greater sin, and inarguably a sin that was more destructive to total team success.

The Primo situation was indirectly created by the Spurs and their blithe dismissal of the special counseling needs of a man who experienced sexual abuse. They couldn't admit that putting a mating age woman in private proximity to him would be a bad idea. The same type of people who mock Mike Pence for not being alone in the room with a woman while cheering on serial sexual harassers who knowingly indulge in their proclivities rather than attempting to manage them.

What is supposed to happen to Primo? He never plays ball again? After splattering BLM on every object in sight we throw a teenage Black man away for one mistake? While serial drunk Buford is on the team? While adulterer Tony has a statue? I can't live with the hypocrisy of it and stand by my original statement on what the team should have done:

Turn Primo into the police and let him face the legal consequences of his actions. If he's genuine in asking for forgiveness for his sins, allow him back on the team.

Spurs should also publicly admit their failings in the situation rather than invoking Masonic secrecy rituals.
Spurstalk is back baby! :lol
i miss the days of good trolls.

[JPB]

Last time I checked fucking a buddy's wife isn't a crime or a sin. That's just, you know, banging you friend's hottie.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Last time I checked fucking a buddy's wife isn't a crime or a sin. That's just, you know, banging you friend's hottie.

Definitely a sin, dude.

[MarCowMar]

Spurstalk is back baby! :lol
i miss the days of good trolls.

Thanks fren but I'm more of a jester telling the truth than a troll. Anything else is Jewish lies.

Honest question:

Who would you rather your starting PG:

A) F*ck the starting SG's wife and ruin their marriage.

B) Be a victim of sexual assault and repeatedly expose themselves to a team-provided counselor, knowing the team didn't care enough to stop it and even continued to schedule sessions for said PG with said therapist?

The only victims in this question are Brent Barry and the truth. The counselor should have been prepared to handle that sort of situation IMO--goes with the job.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Thanks fren but I'm more of a jester telling the truth than a troll. Anything else is Jewish lies.

Honest question:

Who would you rather your starting PG:

A) F*ck the starting SG's wife and ruin their marriage.

B) Be a victim of sexual assault and repeatedly expose themselves to a team-provided counselor, knowing the team didn't care enough to stop it and even continued to schedule sessions for said PG with said therapist?

The only victims in this question are Brent Barry and the truth. The counselor should have been prepared to handle that sort of situation IMO--goes with the job.

When was Primo a starting point guard?

[Dverde]

Only way he could come back is getting the victim to endorse it and I don’t see that happening. Not sure if another team will give him a chance right away. He may have to play overseas for a year or two to get back in the league.

[spurraider21]

I thought those open growth plates pushed him up to 6-9.
No i looked at some recent photos and by inputting all the different angles and reference points into my model i can safely say he’s 6’5 and 5/8

[lmbebo]

Primo is gone. Forget about it. He screwed it up himself.

Don't know if any team in the nba gives him a chance unless its g-league.

[MarCowMar]

When was Primo a starting point guard?

This was a hypothetical question as to the moral characteristics you'd prefer in your starting PG.

It means the conditions of the question were presumed to be true, regardless of whether they were true.

[spurraider21]

He’s still too young to write off but he was complete trash in his short time here and looked no better in his second summer league. He didn’t do anything at an above average level

[GAustex]

I recall he was ranked near last in player productivity rankings
A turnover machine
And a pervert dick flasher
And Pops first round pick

[Trainwreck2100]

in the end he was a young and now rich kid from bama who liked to show off his junk and nobody told him "don't show your junk" so that when someone finally told him "you can't show your junk" he said "fuck you i been showing my junk for years"

It's an easily learnable lesson and he'll probably just pay women to show his junk to. Like whores though, not a legal settlement

[timtonymanu]

I’m not gonna argue the Tony vs Primo comparison. I’m just saying it’s stupid to say “I want Primo back :cry” based on a 24 second clip of him making jumpshots over regular civilians. :lol

[Cry Havoc]

Thanks fren but I'm more of a jester telling the truth than a troll. Anything else is Jewish lies.

Honest question:

Who would you rather your starting PG:

A) F*ck the starting SG's wife and ruin their marriage.

B) Be a victim of sexual assault and repeatedly expose themselves to a team-provided counselor, knowing the team didn't care enough to stop it and even continued to schedule sessions for said PG with said therapist?

The only victims in this question are Brent Barry and the truth. The counselor should have been prepared to handle that sort of situation IMO--goes with the job.

Love how you left out the detail of one of them being an unproven rookie who did nothing except take a pile of cash from San Antonio before exposing himself to someone unwilling vs a top 20 PG of all-time who was already a mainstay of the franchise by that point.

You're most definitely a jester, just not a funny or truthful one. You're the one the king brings in when he needs someone to punish for being terrible.

[KobesAchilles]

Thanks fren but I'm more of a jester telling the truth than a troll. Anything else is Jewish lies.

Honest question:

Who would you rather your starting PG:

A) F*ck the starting SG's wife and ruin their marriage.

B) Be a victim of sexual assault and repeatedly expose themselves to a team-provided counselor, knowing the team didn't care enough to stop it and even continued to schedule sessions for said PG with said therapist?

The only victims in this question are Brent Barry and the truth. The counselor should have been prepared to handle that sort of situation IMO--goes with the job.
I mean at the time I was team TP bc I’d rather have Erin Barry over Eva. That’s just me. If he slept with Duncan’s wife the way Jax did then yeah TP would have had to go. But Brent’s wife? Eh I’m with Tony on that one.

As for Primo his childhood really affected him and it certainly played a role in his behavior. Child abuse always stays with a person no matter how normal they may seem. I’m not trashing Primo as a person. But if I’m the company then yeah I’d have to get rid of him since that can bring potential lawsuits in play. NBA is a business first and you have to protect the commodity before the player.

[Ariel]

Hard to believe that all of the Primo stuff happened only 8 months ago. It feels like a different era almost. It's fascinating how fortunes can change so quickly in the NBA for both teams and individual players.
This time last year Primo was our "face of the franchise" :drunk How things change (in this case, thank God).

[Cabrito]

Employers don’t bring back former employees fired for sexual harassment. It would be shocking if the Spurs bring Primo back.

[cd98]

Employers don’t bring back former employees fired for sexual harassment. It would be shocking if the Spurs bring Primo back.

This. If they took him back and he repeated the behavior or had any kind of related behavior, they would be on the hook for more in a lawsuit and the media would kill them.

[John B]

I have nothing against bringing Primo back. IF ever, he could be the answer to the long starting PG. But as many have pointed, it’s a huge risk to bring a sexual predator back in the office.

[TrainOfThought5]

The spurs are too conservative of a franchise, and honestly have nothing to gain from bringing primo back.

[Obstructed_View]

This. If they took him back and he repeated the behavior or had any kind of related behavior, they would be on the hook for more in a lawsuit and the media would kill them.

The Spurs acted quickly because they have some liability from this. Someone else might pick Primo up, but no lawyer representing the team would allow the Spurs to even talk to Primo.

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Not to mention the supposed distaste many of his former players hold for him.

Also, to me, his tape doesn't show anything in the way of improvement. His problem (other court) was that he lacked the ability or desire to attack the rim and when he did he often turned it over or got stuffed. He rarely showed his athleticism and again in those videos, even after spinning away from his defender he's throwing up unnecessary fade away jumpers rather than making a more decisive move to the basket or at minimum a more aggressive jumper. He could learn a lot from a player like SGA if infact he's gonna marker himself as a PG or SG.

Or just show you're a SF and go sit out on the 3pt line.

[azarel]

oh which spurs player had distaste with primo? curious...

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oh which spurs player had distaste with primo? curious...

Going off a tweet I saw from Ty Jager where he said "players" would have an issue bringing Primo back. I know Vassell unpolluted him on IG shortly after all that went down supposedly.

[SequSpur]

You guys gossip more than chicks.

[GAustex]

^assuming gender

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You guys gossip more than chicks.

Ty is pretty tuned into the team. Not gossip. Primo would be persona non grata not only amongst the team, but I gather amongst some in the organization. Not happening.

[RC_Drunkford]

Ty is pretty tuned into the team. Not gossip. Primo would be persona non grata not only amongst the team, but I gather amongst some in the organization. Not happening.

just ask ducks, that's Ty Jager's spurstalk account tbh

[tbdog]

Primo is pretty much done as an nba player. He just isn't good enough to deal with the PR hit. He has been away from a team to keep up his training. I can't imagine he has been able to develop his game while unemployed, whilst dealing with legal issues.

[Poolboy5623]

There is a 0% chance the Spurs would bring him back, at best.

[Maddog]

Europe would be an option. Not sure if there any visa issues- he wasn't charged or convicted so maybe not.

[Rocalcio]

He’s still too young to write off but he was complete trash in his short time here and looked no better in his second summer league. He didn’t do anything at an above average level

He was even worst in his no short time here.

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just ask ducks, that's Ty Jager's spurstalk account tbh

Ha. Not unless Ty created an account here completely opposite his real life one as a gay lefty. Would be slightly brilliant to hide his identity here.

[FkLA]

Ty is pretty tuned into the team. Not gossip. Primo would be persona non grata not only amongst the team, but I gather amongst some in the organization. Not happening.

What is tuned in? He seems like he follows the team very closely but as a fan. Don't mean it in a bad way I just don't think he has any insider sources or anything like that. He's no timvpimp, imo.

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What is tuned in? He seems like he follows the team very closely but as a fan. Don't mean it in a bad way I just don't think he has any insider sources or anything like that. He's no timvpimp, imo.

Bit more connected than a fan...He's been a staffer/journalist over at Air Alamo for years.

I figure he may not be privvy to the most top secret stuff (as it seems LJ is at times) but I'm fairly certain he hears rumblings about more mundane stuff (like player issues and the like) that are normally more known than actually reported in local NBA circles.

[scott]

Someone let Josh Primo know that at least this message board still cares about him

[rjv]

Europe would be an option. Not sure if there any visa issues- he wasn't charged or convicted so maybe not.

or china, which would care less about any of his infractions. the flash is going to have to 1) light it up overseas and 2) let a lot of time pass without any other issues of any kind before he gets another shot at the NBA. it'd be different if he was a solid NBA player but when we last saw him there was no way of knowing that he was going to even be as good as Lonnie ever was for the spurs.

[John B]

It’s uncanny quiet though with Primo. I mean no basketball in Asia or smaller league? The guy is not charged. It makes one think PATFO directed him to stay off, fix himself and redeem himself when the time has come. It’s my wishful thinking. I mean PATFO took a big risk on this kid.

[R. DeMurre]

Josh Primo was such a good lesson in realizing that second hand reports and opinions are often nothing more than wild hopes and guesses, & pretty close to worthless. There were literally 100s of twitter, instagram, and youtube posts shared here on spurstalk lauding his uncanny maturity, his unbelievably high character, his stellar position as a quiet leader... and it all meant nothing. Oh, his impact stats in the G League were really bad?? It doesn't matter, because his incredible work ethic and presidential demeanor will make him a star!

[InRareForm]

Bridges got a qualifying offer tho

[exstatic]

It’s uncanny quiet though with Primo. I mean no basketball in Asia or smaller league? The guy is not charged. It makes one think PATFO directed him to stay off, fix himself and redeem himself when the time has come. It’s my wishful thinking. I mean PATFO took a big risk on this kid.

No, it just means he hasn’t accepted that he’ll probably never play in the NBA again. When he does, China and a bag awaits.

[Dex]

No, it just means he hasn’t accepted that he’ll probably never play in the NBA again. When he does, China and a bag awaits.

That's how I take it.

Guys have gotten away with far more and still somehow stayed in the league. I know it was 30 years ago, but Karl Malone impregnated then abandoned a 13-year-old girl for fucks sake, and the NBA just kinda glossed over all that.

The Spurs are notorious for not airing out their dirty laundry or making things public. Something tells me there is more to the story that they were gracious enough not to let out, but the fact that other teams aren't even looking at Primo is telling.

[tbdog]

Bridges got a qualifying offer tho

Bridges of a borderline allstar and was getting the rookie Max if he didn't bash his misses. And he took the QO. No other team would take the PR hit to sign him.

[tbdog]

On that, hornets have a good team.

[exstatic]

Bridges got a qualifying offer tho

Bridges isn’t a sex criminal. Different level of disgusting. They don’t make physical abusers register wherever they move.

[exstatic]

That's how I take it.

Guys have gotten away with far more and still somehow stayed in the league. I know it was 30 years ago, but Karl Malone impregnated then abandoned a 13-year-old girl for fucks sake, and the NBA just kinda glossed over all that.

The Spurs are notorious for not airing out their dirty laundry or making things public. Something tells me there is more to the story that they were gracious enough not to let out, but the fact that other teams aren't even looking at Primo is telling.

I think that happened in college. Not really the NBA’s jurisdiction.

[lefty20]

I think that happened in college. Not really the NBA’s jurisdiction.

Still wouldn't fly today.

Few years ago, there was a college baseball player who had done something similar. He declared for the draft and went undrafted, obviously. I'm sure it'd be the same for any basketball prospect, tbh.

[Seventyniner]

Still wouldn't fly today.

Few years ago, there was a college baseball player who had done something similar. He declared for the draft and went undrafted, obviously. I'm sure it'd be the same for any basketball prospect, tbh.

Far worse for basketball imo. The baseball draft has a jillion rounds and if the guy was uber talented a team probably would have taken a flier in a late round. The NBA draft only has two rounds and far fewer open slots for new players.

[K...]

china wants foreigners to behave, or is that japan? i just remember that its not so easy to go east due to culture.

[scott]

Bridges isn’t a sex criminal. Different level of disgusting. They don’t make physical abusers register wherever they move.

To be fair and honest, neither is Josh Primo.

[ismael-robert]

Josh didn't physically touch anyone. Someone said Bryn got signed in greece

[spurraider21]

Bridges got a qualifying offer tho
Teams will give second chances when guys are actually good players

[cutewizard]

In other words there is a huge information gap between fans like us compared to those working in the Spurs staff for example

How much of our musings here are way off omg

[cutewizard]

We fans are speculative philosophers hahaha

[CGD]

It’s a shame the Primo situation happened for many reasons. One is that you can see how it’s affected the team’s theory of the case at the PG position, which is where they were pushing him towards. It wasn’t an accident that they took him where they did.

You have to wonder what this team looks like today had Primo had a good season last year, and being posed this summer to take the 3rd year leap this one.

[TekXX]

You know why Primo isn't in the league besides being a flasher? He's slow as molasses and sucks.

[SequSpur]

Popovich is a dh. Ruined this boys career.

[exstatic]

Popovich is a dh. Ruined this boys career.

Partial truth. A dick head did ruin his career.

[SequSpur]

Nah, I don't let him off the hook like you do. Pop is a jack ass. These kids in nfl, nba, mlb and other sports do far worse than anything Josh did. He would be in jail if he did anything worth it. Also, the Spurs Coach's job is to mentor these players both on and off the court. His role is to also not pass judgement on the community or politics from a company chair. These dudes constantly let him get away with it. No one in their right mind would come play here for this guy. I'm tired of the Pop shit.

Josh only walked because his money was guaranteed. Josh Primo was bad ass in college, the summer league and every time he put on a Spurs uniform. Now tell me, who is the dh? If he had mental issues and he was in counseling, then why not be a hero coach and step in and help the kid. Probably because Josh called Pop a pussy just like DeMar and Dejounte did. Fuck Pop.

[Spurs9]

To be fair Primo may have helped us land Wemby. We might not have been as bad of a team last year if he was balling out.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Nah, I don't let him off the hook like you do. Pop is a jack ass. These kids in nfl, nba, mlb and other sports do far worse than anything Josh did. He would be in jail if he did anything worth it. Also, the Spurs Coach's job is to mentor these players both on and off the court. His role is to also not pass judgement on the community or politics from a company chair. These dudes constantly let him get away with it. No one in their right mind would come play here for this guy. I'm tired of the Pop shit.

Josh only walked because his money was guaranteed. Josh Primo was bad ass in college, the summer league and every time he put on a Spurs uniform. Now tell me, who is the dh? If he had mental issues and he was in counseling, then why not be a hero coach and step in and help the kid. Probably because Josh called Pop a pussy just like DeMar and Dejounte did. Fuck Pop.

I’m sorry — what? You come off as a real asshole if that’s what you honestly believe. You’re telling me you would want to work with a person everyday that pathologically exposed himself to his female colleagues? Don’t you care at all about them? Also, it sounds like they did try to work with him, as much as I really hate that, and Brian Wright actually fired the sports psychologist that he kept exposing himself to.

when my sports teams sign one of those guys who have done “far worse,” I usually stop following the team. I see that is not you, but that says a lot about your character — not so much Pop’s. You’re probably one of those jack asses that thought all the gross t-shirts and mannequins Browns fans made for Deshaun Watson were hilarious.

[slick'81]

Lets just say spurs got out from this flasher with little in the way of bad publicity

[Darkwaters]

I still can't believe Brandon Miller is in the league after what he did at Alabama.

When your buddy calls you at 3AM and says, "hey, bring your loaded gun down to me" you know it's not going to end well. Then you're literally in the room when the dude guns down some girl using your piece?

And somehow he's now the #2 overall pick and should be celebrated?

[slick'81]

I still can't believe Brandon Miller is in the league after what he did at Alabama.

When your buddy calls you at 3AM and says, "hey, bring your loaded gun down to me" you know it's not going to end well. Then you're literally in the room when the dude guns down some girl using your piece?

And somehow he's now the #2 overall pick and should be celebrated?

gotta love being able to put a ball in a hole

[Darkwaters]

Alabama basketball is a dumpster fire. Primo with his bizarre flashing ways. The two players that are on trial for capital murder (Darius Miles, Michael Lynn Davis) for killing Jamea Jonae Harris and then Brandon Miller who facilitated the murder but on a legal technicality is able to skate away unscathed.

[BacktoBasics]

I still can't believe Brandon Miller is in the league after what he did at Alabama.

When your buddy calls you at 3AM and says, "hey, bring your loaded gun down to me" you know it's not going to end well. Then you're literally in the room when the dude guns down some girl using your piece?

And somehow he's now the #2 overall pick and should be celebrated?

It would be helpful if you actually knew what happened. People exchanging guns happens every day. Miller broke no laws and know prior knowledge of what the gun would be used for. He also didn't load it.

Your issue should really be with gun culture and the people who have normalized the glamorization and lack of responsibility around gun ownership. Its a systemic problem not a Miller problem.

[BacktoBasics]

Alabama basketball is a dumpster fire. Primo with his bizarre flashing ways. The two players that are on trial for capital murder (Darius Miles, Michael Lynn Davis) for killing Jamea Jonae Harris and then Brandon Miller who facilitated the murder but on a legal technicality is able to skate away unscathed.

Again your issue is with gun culture. He didn't facilitate a murder from a premeditated standpoint. Ignorance perhaps but it wasn't knowingly. They have the entire chain of texts.

I'll also point out that neckbearded maga fucktards exchange guns in this fashion daily without a shred of concerns. Just because its a young black man shouldn't change things.

[The Truth #6]

Again your issue is with gun culture. He didn't facilitate a murder from a premeditated standpoint. Ignorance perhaps but it wasn't knowingly. They have the entire chain of texts.

I'll also point out that neckbearded maga fucktards exchange guns in this fashion daily without a shred of concerns. Just because its a young black man shouldn't change things.

I agree with you as far as gun culture. But even if he got away on a technicality with gun culture rules, so to speak, it still is really stupid at the least, and if anything beyond legality, suggests some stupid behavior that could cause further problems down the road. But who knows? He’s young. Gun culture is pervasive. Gun culture in white and black communities is obviously looked at differently though it shouldn’t be. I think there are two contradictory issues going on, and it’s hard to completely take a single view, at least for me.

[BacktoBasics]

I agree with you as far as gun culture. But even if he got away on a technicality with gun culture rules, so to speak, it still is really stupid at the least, and if anything beyond legality, suggests some stupid behavior that could cause further problems down the road. But who knows? He’s young. Gun culture is pervasive. Gun culture in white and black communities is obviously looked at differently though it shouldn’t be. I think there are two contradictory issues going on, and it’s hard to completely take a single view, at least for me.

You and I sound predominantly in agreement. I think he made a bad choice and certainly a choice you and I wouldn’t make.

My issue is that if we’re going to accept society normalizing gun culture and promote gun ownership in a way that’s viewed the same as a stick of gum then we can’t call into question his choice because we’re literally allowing our government to indoctrinate the belief that guns aren’t special. Anyone can have one, trade like baseball cards and it’s no different than a ham sandwich.

We live in a world that says it’s okay to pass a gun around with no accountability. So I’m not shocked he did it.

That shouldn’t equate to being an accomplice to murder.

If we had laws restricting peoples ability to freely share weapons then he might of acted differently.

But gun nutters aren’t into preventing gun crimes. They’re interested in fighting them with their own arsenal.

[Darkwaters]

It would be helpful if you actually knew what happened. People exchanging guns happens every day. Miller broke no laws and know prior knowledge of what the gun would be used for. He also didn't load it.

Your issue should really be with gun culture and the people who have normalized the glamorization and lack of responsibility around gun ownership. Its a systemic problem not a Miller problem.

You're making this situation fit the political narrative you're trying to push. He got a call at 3AM to bring his gun. The old rule of "nothing good happens after 2AM" applies in this case. Miller can claim ignorance, but we all know he wasn't.

Furthermore, more laws would not have fixed this. It's not "gun culture" that is to blame. It's gang culture. It's thug culture. Because the majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens that never get anybody hurt or killed. Meanwhile, gang violence accounts for the majority of gun violence. In fact, if you removed the gang-related shootings from just four US cities (Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, Los Angeles) then the US would rank about 200th in the world in gun violence. So to blame law-abiding gun owners and peddle this weird theory that they're exchanging guns all the time (something unsupported by the evidence) is very strange.

Regardless, I'm not wanting to get any deeper into the political elements of this except to point out the obvious agenda you're trying to wedge in here. And I won't be responding further on that front (at least not in the basketball forum area).

It could have just as easily been any type of weapon that resulted in the death of that young lady. The point is that Brandon Miller is scum and yet we're supposed to celebrate him. It's gross.

[BacktoBasics]

You're making this situation fit the political narrative you're trying to push. He got a call at 3AM to bring his gun. The old rule of "nothing good happens after 2AM" applies in this case. Miller can claim ignorance, but we all know he wasn't.

Furthermore, more laws would not have fixed this. It's not "gun culture" that is to blame. It's gang culture. It's thug culture. Because the majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens that never get anybody hurt or killed. Meanwhile, gang violence accounts for the majority of gun violence. And this theory that law-abiding gun owners are exchanging guns all the time is bizarre and not supported by the evidence.

Regardless, I'm not wanting to get any deeper into the political elements of this except to point out the obvious agenda you're trying to wedge in here. And I won't be responding further on that front (at least not in the basketball forum area).

It could have just as easily been any type of weapon that resulted in the death of that young lady. The point is that Brandon Miller is scum and yet we're supposed to celebrate him. It's gross.

It’s not a crime to hand someone a gun at 3am. Gun culture has ensured that. I don’t care what your political affiliation is.

Where do you think these gangs you’re talking about get guns? Trafficking in “illegal guns” isn’t the primary source of guns used in criminal offenses. It’s guns off our own streets that were at one point a legal firearm. Mass produced and promoted for ownership by gun advocates.

The same gun advocates that push to roll back firearm policies and legalize handing a gun to a friend at 3am. Personally I think it should be illegal to hand over your firearm to anyone outside of a range. There should be an extremely high level of accountability with gun ownership. But again, it’s not gangs lobbying for less gun laws. It’s gun advocates who funnel money to greedy politicians.

But let me also point out that your leap to criminalize Miller is another inherently racist problem that disproportionately affects minorities. Because even if he thought the gun could be used then all he has to say is that he provided the gun to this friend for self defense purposes. To stand his ground. Which guess what? Is the very thing these gun nutters love to say to justify the culture. Miller also had no idea that the gun was going to be handed off to a third party.

No one would dare question some white dumbfuck who brings a gun to his buddy Cooper for self defense. But a young black man… well, he had to of know that there would be a crime. Right? Give me a fucking break.

Two bullshit standards when it comes to guns. Your entire take is just as bad as the fucked up culture itself.

[BackHome]

Yeah we all know criminals are going to abide by all the new gun laws your going to make....:lmao

[spurraider21]

Yeah we all know criminals are going to abide by all the new gun laws your going to make....:lmao
great argument against laws in general

[BacktoBasics]

Yeah we all know criminals are going to abide by all the new gun laws your going to make....:lmao

I thought you maga dumbfucks were of the belief that “if it saves just 1 life”.

Guess not.

[Ocotillo]

https://twitter.com/NBAPR/status/1707772526384804169

4 games eh,

[Leetonidas]

Weird that they suspended him a year later for only four games. He must be on the cusp of signing with a new team

[Rocalcio]

Weird that they suspended him a year later for only four games. He must be on the cusp of signing with a new team


I agree, if he’s suspended that definitely means he’s planning to play in the NBA again.

[manufan10]

Time served since he didn't play at all last season? With everything that happened it definitely felt like it would be a longer suspension.

[playblair]

primo didnt do anything wrong.......if therapist didnt want clients laying down during session they should remove couches from their offices.......primo can not control that the length of his penis is longer than his boxers while laying down........primo cant control his bbc hanging out of the bottom of his boxers.........

[spursparker9]

Curious which team would sign him....

[John B]

I have no problem giving him another chance. Obviously the PATFO had reasons to draft him high against every pundits out there.

[spurraider21]

I guess we may finally get a firm answer on whether the spurs are tanking.

if he’s brought back we absolutely are

[bluebellmaniac]

I guess we may finally get a firm answer on whether the spurs are tanking.

if he’s brought back we absolutely are

Not worth tarnishing our image. Not worth it at all.

It's about the image and we are not going down that road for whatever basketball reasons you can muster.

[BacktoBasics]

This reeks more and more like the therapist was holding the organization hostage. The termination was likely one of her demands. If the league finds nothing more than a 4 game suspension and the team couldn't look to match or extend that with their own suspension then clearly they were pandering to something/someone else. 4 games isn't shit.

[John B]

This reeks more and more like the therapist was holding the organization hostage. The termination was likely one of her demands. If the league finds nothing more than a 4 game suspension and the team couldn't look to match or extend that with their own suspension then clearly they were pandering to something/someone else. 4 games isn't shit.

Somebody’s signing him and I hate to see the Spurs top pick go to another team, without fully seeing how he’d develop his game.

[kht]

Wait, the gun belonged to Brandon Miller?

[KingKev]

Free lil Joshy.

[BacktoBasics]

Somebody’s signing him and I hate to see the Spurs top pick go to another team, without fully seeing how he’d develop his game.

Exactly. I wasn't hot on how we were using him but I was never of the belief that they looked at him as our future PG. Especially now with Wemby we definitely have a different landscape. But having Primo run PG wasn't a bad thing because at least he'd learn some backcourt tendencies that he didn't really have. Ball protection, setting up an offensive etc.

But the Spurs held him out as a player with significant potential. You don't terminate a guy over something that essentially ends up being a 4 game suspension. Maybe trade him for a shitty second at the least.

The leagues stance all this time later tells me the organization was being held to the fire. It wasn't just optics.

[BacktoBasics]

Somebody’s signing him and I hate to see the Spurs top pick go to another team, without fully seeing how he’d develop his game.

duplicate.

Can we not upgrade this forum already

[JeffDuncan]

This reeks more and more like the therapist was holding the organization hostage. ...


No, it doesn’t. Your mind is wandering, because of the way you are.

The NBA announcement is a formality, to close the book. It merely means the NBA is done with the subject.

The long delay is because it had no priority, after Primo was waived, and unclaimed, and out of the NBA. Of course there was no urgency to investigate an insignificant player who wasn’t even in the NBA anymore. The paperwork got pushed to the bottom of the stack.

This offseason, somebody was going through old paperwork, found the Primo thing, and closed it. That’s all you’re seeing.

And that’s all there is to see.

Oh, why 4 games? Probably just because that’s the number of games Primo played in, in ‘22-23. The person dealing with the old paperwork saw that, and simply used that number, because it didn’t matter. Is probably what happened.

[John B]

Twitter has Hornets fans wanting him.

[Mr. Body]

This reeks more and more like the therapist was holding the organization hostage. The termination was likely one of her demands. If the league finds nothing more than a 4 game suspension and the team couldn't look to match or extend that with their own suspension then clearly they were pandering to something/someone else. 4 games isn't shit.

He exposed himself to more than just the therapist.

[spurraider21]

Twitter has Hornets fans wanting him.
fuck

we need them to make the playoffs. keep primo away from them

[Leetonidas]

Bridges beat the fuck out of his baby mama and only got a 10 game suspension because he didn't play last season. NBA only suspending Primo for 4 games is not any indication to the severity or legitimacy of his infraction.

The victim blaming or calling into question the victims credibility needs to stop already

[buttsR4rebounding]

Bridges beat the fuck out of his baby mama and only got a 10 game suspension because he didn't play last season. NBA only suspending Primo for 4 games is not any indication to the severity or legitimacy of his infraction.

The victim blaming or calling into question the victims credibility needs to stop already

There’s a huge difference between a woman being beaten and a therapist being exposed to the very condition she is supposedly treating. I’m in the mental health field and what she did is not what the vast majority of people in her position would consider appropriate.

[rascal]

Again your issue is with gun culture. He didn't facilitate a murder from a premeditated standpoint. Ignorance perhaps but it wasn't knowingly. They have the entire chain of texts.

I'll also point out that neckbearded maga fucktards exchange guns in this fashion daily without a shred of concerns. Just because its a young black man shouldn't change things.

Things do change when there is a murder black man or not.

[rascal]

Somebody’s signing him and I hate to see the Spurs top pick go to another team, without fully seeing how he’d develop his game.

Primo stinks, People still hold on to the thought he's going to be something special, give it up.

He'll never be on the Spurs again.

[exstatic]

Twitter has Hornets fans wanting him.

Domestic Abuser, murderer, yeah, he'd fit.

[exstatic]

There’s a huge difference between a woman being beaten and a therapist being exposed to the very condition she is supposedly treating. I’m in the mental health field and what she did is not what the vast majority of people in her position would consider appropriate.

??? She's not a sexual deviancy therapist, she's a sports psychologist. She wasn't treating his perversion, just trying, and failing, to get him to play better basketball.

[exstatic]

He exposed himself to more than just the therapist.

Don't try to stop stop him. He's on one of his all too common mysogynistic rants. Bringing up the exposures in Las Vegas and Minneapolis doesn't fit his narrative.

[BacktoBasics]

No, it doesn’t. Your mind is wandering, because of the way you are.

The NBA announcement is a formality, to close the book. It merely means the NBA is done with the subject.

The long delay is because it had no priority, after Primo was waived, and unclaimed, and out of the NBA. Of course there was no urgency to investigate an insignificant player who wasn’t even in the NBA anymore. The paperwork got pushed to the bottom of the stack.

This offseason, somebody was going through old paperwork, found the Primo thing, and closed it. That’s all you’re seeing.

And that’s all there is to see.

Oh, why 4 games? Probably just because that’s the number of games Primo played in, in ‘22-23. The person dealing with the old paperwork saw that, and simply used that number, because it didn’t matter. Is probably what happened.
I wasn’t speaking about any delay with the nba. You completely misunderstood my point.

I guess it’s your mind not mine.

[BacktoBasics]

He exposed himself to more than just the therapist.

Which never gained traction. At the organization level or the league.

[Mr. Body]

Domestic Abuser, murderer, yeah, he'd fit.

A guy who shoplifted in China.

[Mr. Body]

Which never gained traction. At the organization level or the league.

None of it gained any traction. The whole thing was handled almost completely in house with little drama.

[BacktoBasics]

None of it gained any traction. The whole thing was handled almost completely in house with little drama.

Do we have any comps of a team cutting a player that ended up with a measly 4 game suspension. Particularly a player that was considered a long term part of the team.

The whole way this was handled where almost every move panders to a single person over what’s in the best interest of the organization doesn’t really make a lot of sense. Even for this holier than thou organization.

Seems it was gonna play out her way or significant litigation. Leveraged.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol the therapist conspiracy again

[BacktoBasics]

:lol the therapist conspiracy again

She had demands contingent with her lawsuit. Did she not?

[ChumpDumper]

She had demands contingent with her lawsuit. Did she not?Walk us through your conspiracy theory step by step.

It's pretty confusing tbh.

[Mr. Body]

Do we have any comps of a team cutting a player that ended up with a measly 4 game suspension. Particularly a player that was considered a long term part of the team.

The whole way this was handled where almost every move panders to a single person over what’s in the best interest of the organization doesn’t really make a lot of sense. Even for this holier than thou organization.

Seems it was gonna play out her way or significant litigation. Leveraged.

Bitches be crazy, am I rite?

[BatManu20]

Lol called it when he was cut. Knew he’d be on a team this coming season and wouldn’t have to wait a while as many speculated. NBA teams don’t care about him flashing his sausage to random women tbh. They just want buckets.

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[BacktoBasics]

Walk us through your conspiracy theory step by step.

It's pretty confusing tbh.

If I recall she had stipulations attached to a lawsuit via her lawyer.

If I’m wrong correct me. I’m not deliberately being argumentative like some people here. I’m giving my opinion based on what I recall.

[BacktoBasics]

Bitches be crazy, am I rite?

Something definitely doesn’t add up. I would say she was a victim. Not really disputing that. But to be the person basically tasked with providing him treatment while simultaneously enabling him up to 9 times is a bit ridiculous.

[ChumpDumper]

If I recall she had stipulations attached to a lawsuit via her lawyer.

If I’m wrong correct me. I’m not deliberately being argumentative like some people here. I’m giving my opinion based on what I recall.I don't know how that would make her an evil mastermind. A stipulation could be something as simple as revising HR procedures. There were absolutely provable damages so demands for compensation aren't out of line.

[ChumpDumper]

Something definitely doesn’t add up. I would say she was a victim. Not really disputing that. But to be the person basically tasked with providing him treatment while simultaneously enabling him up to 9 times is a bit ridiculous.She was not there to treat his sexual harassment.

[Mr. Body]

Something definitely doesn’t add up. I would say she was a victim. Not really disputing that. But to be the person basically tasked with providing him treatment while simultaneously enabling him up to 9 times is a bit ridiculous.

So you would say she's the victim, then say she's not the victim. Lol.