Shams: Spurs Waive Josh Primo

[Dex]

Sorry for a stupid question/s but is Primo's career over in NBA? And/or with the Spurs?
Is there gonna be a trial? If he'll be cleared, is the Spurs still interested to sign him back or the organization is not interested anymore?

The reason why I'm asking is because it's a bit similar with Kobe's situation (rape accusation) before but it's not like Josh touched the victim/s, AFAIK.
Obviously he's not Kobe and Josh still a no name player so there's not much immunity on his part but I'm not sure how grave is his case in San Antonio, Texas.
Or is the NBA and the organization are being strict lately given with Miles' situation lately but Miles' situation is more serious.

I'm not saying what Josh did is okay and it's wrong but I'm quite curious as well if this happen to a player like Keldon or Devin if there'll be a double-standard.

His Spurs tenure is surely over for "culture and character" reasons.

But trust me, there are plenty of teams out there who will gladly overlook these things for a talented player.

Hell, the Nets are bringing in Ime Udoka who was currently suspended and being investigated for sexual misconduct by Boston.

Deshaun Watson exposed himself to at least 30 women (that we know of) and he got a fat check from the Cleveland Browns who structured it in a way that his suspension didn't lose him money.

We'll see how everything shakes out legally, but I would not at all be surprised to see someone desperate enough to take a flyer on Primo in the future.

[Chinook]

I don't fully know how Primo's relationship with the Spurs will play out. If this lawsuit turns out to be basically nothing, and Primo has a real mental illness that he seeks real treatment for, I think the Spurs would be interested in him coming back. That's if this is as innocent as possible given what we know. I wouldn't hold my breath on it being that, though. There is probably some darkness we haven't seen yet, and if so, they probably wont want anything to do with him. That they cut him so completely suggests they are done with him, but they also left hints that they might not be. We'll see. I would assume Primo is done for this whole year and maybe next. The Spurs are paying him, and if he truly cares about getting his health back together, he should honestly use that time to that end.

[NickiRasgo]

His Spurs tenure is surely over for "culture and character" reasons.

But trust me, there are plenty of teams out there who will gladly overlook these things for a talented player.

Hell, the Nets are bringing in Ime Udoka who was currently suspended and being investigated for sexual misconduct by Boston.

Deshaun Watson exposed himself to at least 30 women (that we know of) and he got a fat check from the Cleveland Browns who structured it in a way that his suspension didn't lose him money.

We'll see how everything shakes out legally, but I would not at all be surprised to see someone desperate enough to take a flyer on Primo in the future.

Thank you for your insight. I guess some teams are quite hesitant for the meantime since they'll have to eat up the remaining $8M on his contract but then, Primo told that he'll have to take a leave for the meantime.


I don't fully know how Primo's relationship with the Spurs will play out. If this lawsuit turns out to be basically nothing, and Primo has a real mental illness that he seeks real treatment for, I think the Spurs would be interested in him coming back. That's if this is as innocent as possible given what we know. I wouldn't hold my breath on it being that, though. There is probably some darkness we haven't seen yet, and if so, they probably wont want anything to do with him. That they cut him so completely suggests they are done with him, but they also left hints that they might not be. We'll see. I would assume Primo is done for this whole year and maybe next. The Spurs are paying him, and if he truly cares about getting his health back together, he should honestly use that time to that end.

Thank you for your insight as well and good point. I hope the Spurs are still in-touch with Primo and willing to help him long-term regardless if he'll join eventually to another team. I hope it's just the Spurs being cautious about their branding and culture that's why they had to cut him for the meantime. If he'll be signed again by the Spurs in the future, hope it's a friendly-deal.

I know I just have to move on with Primo but to think that there are plenty of teams monitoring Primo's situation means that're also interested with the upside of the kid so it's not like it's already a bad pick already in terms of his upside since still time will tell unless his NBA career is over but yeah, it's already a bad pick already tho I'm not sure aside from Sengun and Moody if who's the Spurs gonna pick. Those players are quite safe pick but seems Primo still has the interesting upside between the three (3) players.

I don't think it'll favor on Primo given that Primo didn't deny it as well but I think what he can do, which is likely, is that to agree on settlement and Primo should just take responsibility (assuming he doesn't require jail time), apologize to the people and/or organization involved and show that he'll be sincere to help them and himself. Primo did bad but deserve a second chance esp. if it's really related to a mental disorder or past trauma.

But yeah for the meantime, just expect less that the Spurs will bring him back.

[cd98]

On Spurs liability: Depends on whether Josh Primo could be said to engaging in the behavior in the course and scope of his employment. For example, did exposure happen during a Spurs-sanctioned therapy session? Did it happen at the Spurs facility? Did it happen at the therapist's office? Did it happen at his residence? The same thing goes for his behavior while on the road. Arguably the Spurs could be liable, but an employer does not have absolute liability for what his employee does. If there is a lawsuit, it is most likely against Primo and the Spurs may get dragged in, but absent them encouraging the behavior or allowing it to go on while he was in the scope of his employment, they will not be liable. They may settle just to get rid of the negative public relations hit and to save litigation costs and maybe even to protect Primo (a 19-year old) from further public embarrassment.

As for how to handle Primo going forward, I think that the problem must be significant because a therapist is trained to be compassionate and understanding of all types of anti-social behavior and hiring a lawsuit and dragging a client's problem out in the public is a bad way to lose professional standing in the community unless it was egregious behavior. Unfortunately, as is the case for sexual behavior like this, the recidivism for it so great that it may be a struggle he has for the rest of his life. It's not uncommon for men to want to expose themselves and it happens a lot on the internet, etc., but at some point judgment comes into play and while we all might have sexual feelings or thoughts that are taboo, judgment and wisdom help us make the decision to not engage in them. It seems that he is missing this component, especially knowing that the behavior could/and will cost him millions of dollars. It's good for him that this lawsuit happens and that he has consequences to learn that his behavior will not be excused just because he is good at basketball. But I still think he has a long journey to wrestle with the demons that told him the behavior was okay.

[baseline bum]

But trust me, there are plenty of teams out there who will gladly overlook these things for a talented player.


Yeah but we're talking about Primo.

[Dex]

Yeah but we're talking about Primo.

Boom, roasted

[baseline bum]

So when is this press conference supposed to happen?

[timvp]

This is a fascinating aspect of this whole thing. If Primo had some past trauma a diagnosed disorder of some kind, it puts the therapist in an interesting position. I am not claiming to have any experience or knowledge of this, I’m just thinking through it… but I don’t think a doctor would press charges or file suit against a patient who suffers from some kind of disorder (autism, for example) that may manifest itself in physical altercation. (Hopefully someone with direct knowledge can address this).

So this puts the therapist in a unique position. On one hand, she is suing (we assume) Primo and the Spurs for… something we don’t know yet (interestingly she is not attempting to press charges and as far as we know no police report has even been filed). If Primo’s actions were the result of some diagnosed condition, she would be the person best suited to testify to that… but she’s conflicted in that regard because she is suing, thus providing her the incentive to downplay any condition Primo may have.

Which leads to what many others have suggested, maybe she isn’t going after Primo at all but rather the Spurs for… something, we don’t yet know. I find it hard to believe though that the Spurs would not have protocols and SOPs in place for how to deal with workplace incidents and would be so foolish as to have wonton disregard for employee safety to the degree to leave them liable for the actions of one of their players.


Good stuff, thanks :tu

It's an interesting mental rabbit hole to go down. For example, if this is how it played out, I don't even know who would be liable for what:

Spurs: Joshua, we got a report that you flashed someone. Is that true?

Primo: Oh, no, my bad. My towel slipped and it was totally an accident.

Spurs: Alright, make sure it doesn't happen again. You might be 18 but you're not a kid. You're in a grown man league. You need to act like it.

Primo: *expose part 2*

Spurs: WTF, Joshua. That's the second report!?!

Primo: Sorry! It's just a Canadian thing. We are more comfortable with nudity over there. Won't happen again.

Spurs: Hey, Dr. Sports Psychologist, can you talk to Joshua and see if you can get to the bottom of these exposure claims?

Primo: *expose part 3*

Psychologist: I talked to him and he exposed himself to me.

Spurs: Wow, that's terrible, he's usually such a great kid. Is he sick? Should we try to get him help?

Psychologist: *quits and calls Buzbee*







Obviously, this could be way off-base and for all we know Primo did stuff much worse than a towel-slip exposure, but no matter what, things will be messy and complicated. It's obviously some sort of mental health issue vs. mental health expert vs. whatever actions the Spurs did or didn't take.

[TXstbobcat]

So when is this press conference supposed to happen?

Thursday morning

[JeffDuncan]

So when is this press conference supposed to happen?


Tomorrow morning. I don’t find a time mentioned.

[TXstbobcat]

Tomorrow morning. I don’t find a time mentioned.

10 am on Thursday.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/11/02/josh-primos-accuser-attorney-to-speak-at-press-conference-on-thursday/

[baseline bum]

10 am on Thursday.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/11/02/josh-primos-accuser-attorney-to-speak-at-press-conference-on-thursday/


Tomorrow morning. I don’t find a time mentioned.

OK thanks. Don't know why I was thinking it was supposed to be today.

[JeffDuncan]

It occurs to me that the new jersey sponsor, Self, has got to be very unhappy about this. Recall that they made Primo the poster boy for the Self logo on the jersey (replacing the Frost logo.)

It should have been Keldon imo.

[Wu36]

She may have asked him what he did previously. And instead of telling he showed. Is that now a flashing? She asked and he delivered. I mean he seems to have issues, he’s said so himself.

[Maddog]

This is a fascinating aspect of this whole thing. If Primo had some past trauma a diagnosed disorder of some kind, it puts the therapist in an interesting position. I am not claiming to have any experience or knowledge of this, I’m just thinking through it… but I don’t think a doctor would press charges or file suit against a patient who suffers from some kind of disorder (autism, for example) that may manifest itself in physical altercation. (Hopefully someone with direct knowledge can address this).

So this puts the therapist in a unique position. On one hand, she is suing (we assume) Primo and the Spurs for… something we don’t know yet (interestingly she is not attempting to press charges and as far as we know no police report has even been filed). If Primo’s actions were the result of some diagnosed condition, she would be the person best suited to testify to that… but she’s conflicted in that regard because she is suing, thus providing her the incentive to downplay any condition Primo may have.


You bring up some valid points-
A therapist/medical provider would not normally bring this up in a public setting. So must be directed more at the Spurs organizational wise.
Also in what way was she interacting- her background at least states she is involved in performance enhancement and may not have been treating him or evaluating him for serious underlying psychopathology. This doesn't absolve Primo in any way.
I suspect the Spurs have some modest culpability. Even the best organizations have a tendency to not handle these things well. Especially if you thought highly of the preparator before facts come out.

[Ocotillo]

I haven't said much about this because like most of us on the board, all I know is what has shown up in the press and a other "rumors" Since we are crawling down all sorts of rabbit holes though, someone earlier in the thread said something about Louis CK. He wasn't just flashing, he was pleasuring himself in front of his victims. That has not been speculated about with Primo but who knows?

[The Truth #6]

This is a fascinating aspect of this whole thing. If Primo had some past trauma a diagnosed disorder of some kind, it puts the therapist in an interesting position. I am not claiming to have any experience or knowledge of this, I’m just thinking through it… but I don’t think a doctor would press charges or file suit against a patient who suffers from some kind of disorder (autism, for example) that may manifest itself in physical altercation. (Hopefully someone with direct knowledge can address this).

So this puts the therapist in a unique position. On one hand, she is suing (we assume) Primo and the Spurs for… something we don’t know yet (interestingly she is not attempting to press charges and as far as we know no police report has even been filed). If Primo’s actions were the result of some diagnosed condition, she would be the person best suited to testify to that… but she’s conflicted in that regard because she is suing, thus providing her the incentive to downplay any condition Primo may have.

Which leads to what many others have suggested, maybe she isn’t going after Primo at all but rather the Spurs for… something, we don’t yet know. I find it hard to believe though that the Spurs would not have protocols and SOPs in place for how to deal with workplace incidents and would be so foolish as to have wonton disregard for employee safety to the degree to leave them liable for the actions of one of their players.

I still stand by my hypothesis… the therapist reported an incident to the Spurs… they had an investigation performed which came back inconclusive, which caused her to quit. More incidents came to light and now there is cause for the damaged party to say “I brought this to light and the Spurs did nothing, so they are liable for everything that happened”. I believe that accusation is more damaging from a PR perspective than a legal perspective though. So long as an investigation was carried out properly, the Spurs would have little to no liability for not taking action on an incident they could not verify.

These situations are difficult and really SUCK from the company perspective. When one employee alleges an incident, these are the most likely outcomes of an investigation:


Investigation conclusively verifies the allegation. You appropriate discipline the offending party and make the appropriate moves to protect the victim against retaliation/further exposure if the discipline fall short of termination. This is the cleanest scenario.
Investigation is inconclusive or cannot credibly verify the incident. This is usually does not end in the victim saying “oh shit, I must have been mistaken, thanks for looking into it.” Instead this typically leads to a LOT of hard feelings, many times it leads in the victim leaving. What you don’t want to do as a company is apply unjust punishment to the alleged perp (a suspension may be appropriate as often you can pin them for something else than the alleged incident - at the very least of not acting in a manner consistent with the expectations of their position). If you discipline too hard, you face being accused of unlawful termination (even if you don’t terminate).


The worst case scenarios for the Spurs, neither of which I think is likely because I think they are too smart for this as an organization:

They investigated the incident, it was confirmed, and they did nothing to Primo. That’s bad.
They retaliated against the therapist by terminating or not renewing her contact as a way to solve the problem (if you can’t work with Primo, we understand… I guess you can’t work here). The more I think of it… this might be the angle. Which would also be very bad.


Companies the size of SS&E don’t typically make these kind of boneheaded mistakes in 2022… but sometimes they do…

Impressive response. This is a tangent for me, but I think it’s definitely odd that the psychologist works for the team and isn’t acting like a typical therapist where they are paid by the patient/client. It’s ethically weird. I trust the Spurs typically, but the more I think about this, I’m having challenges with a mental health professional suing a client they are supposed to be helping, especially in the absence of a legal charge. I don’t think that’s the reason the lawyer is targeting the Spurs, obviously, in doing so this may put less focus on Primo. Honestly, I could see him saying he has an alcohol problem and trying to downplay the issue that way, and if he went that way I could see a path back, maybe not with the Spurs, though they have their experience with alcoholics. Anyway. Just rambling.

[baseline bum]

She may have asked him what he did previously. And instead of telling he showed. Is that now a flashing? She asked and he delivered. I mean he seems to have issues, he’s said so himself.

And then she asked him about getting into fights as a kid so he beat her down to show her.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Remember when streaking was a thing?

People usually just got a laugh out of it.

[Chinook]

Good stuff, thanks :tu

It's an interesting mental rabbit hole to go down. For example, if this is how it played out, I don't even know who would be liable for what:

Spurs: Joshua, we got a report that you flashed someone. Is that true?

Primo: Oh, no, my bad. My towel slipped and it was totally an accident.

Spurs: Alright, make sure it doesn't happen again. You might be 18 but you're not a kid. You're in a grown man league. You need to act like it.

Primo: *expose part 2*

Spurs: WTF, Joshua. That's the second report!?!

Primo: Sorry! It's just a Canadian thing. We are more comfortable with nudity over there. Won't happen again.

Spurs: Hey, Dr. Sports Psychologist, can you talk to Joshua and see if you can get to the bottom of these exposure claims?

Primo: *expose part 3*

Psychologist: I talked to him and he exposed himself to me.

Spurs: Wow, that's terrible, he's usually such a great kid. Is he sick? Should we try to get him help?

Psychologist: *quits and calls Buzbee*



Obviously, this could be way off-base and for all we know Primo did stuff much worse than a towel-slip exposure, but no matter what, things will be messy and complicated. It's obviously some sort of mental health issue vs. mental health expert vs. whatever actions the Spurs did or didn't take.

So long as we're fanficking nothing-burger scenarios:

Four Seasons Incident: *Happens*

Spurs: WTF is that Primo?

Primo: Man, I'm going to be completely accountable here. I had some horrible childhood trauma that manifests in some deviant sexual behavior. I know it's an issue, and I've been trying to get help.

Spurs: You're a good kid, Josh. Why don't you sit this game out, and we'll talk to our therapist to come up with a plan.

Primo: Um... I don't know about that, guys. What would we tell the media?

Spurs: I don't know, we'll tell them your glute was spasming or something

Spurs: Psychologist, Primo flashed a woman in Minny. He says he's been struggling to deal with childhood trauma. Have he opened up to you about this?

Psychologist: Yes, he exposed himself to me too.

Spurs: Seriously?

Psychologist: Yes. Primo isn't dealing with trauma. He's a predator who has no business on the team.

Spurs: You don't think he can get help? He seems like a good kid.

Psychologist: Look, if you don't trust my professional opinion, I quit. You can't expose your staff to a guy like that.

Spurs: Fine, we accept your resignation. But we need to consult a second-opinion doctor before making a dramatic move.

Psychologist: You're not taking this seriously. Don't call me again. You'll hear from my lawyer.

Spurs Legal: Dump Primo

Spurs: But..

Spurs Legal: No "buts". Dump him. Maybe this blows over. Maybe it doesn't. But he's not worth the hit. If he flashes someone else while he's on the team, there'll be hell to pay. Not. Worth. The. Risk.

[Chinook]

Just to be clear, in that fanfic, Primo's actually lying about taking accountability, and the psychologist is right in her assessment that Primo should be cut. The Spurs' reluctance to agree immediately causes her to file suit. The Spurs may consult a second opinion or get word of another incident. But in the very least, they don't believe Primo like they did before and cut him on the advice of Legal.

[cd98]

The Spurs are not 100% liable for everything Primo did wherever he was. I'm not overly versed in the law in this area, but if an employee exceeds the scope of his employment, the employer is no longer liable for his acts. If the Spurs assigned Primo to driving the team bus with the players in it and he crashes it into a parked car, then he was acting in the scope and both he and the Spurs are liable to the owner of the parked car. If Primo steals the team bus and takes it for a joy ride and crashes into a parked car, then he has acted outside the scope of his employment, and he is liable to both the owner of the parked car and the Spurs.

There are some close calls on this. If Primo punched a guy at the 4 Seasons b/c he didn't want to sign an autograph, are the Spurs liable? He's in the hotel because of the team game in Minnesota, but he is not representing the Spurs in the lobby as part of his employment with the Spurs and he isn't doing a team function to sign autographs. So I would say it is less likely the team would be liable.

Point is, it comes down to facts we don't know. If Primo was at the Spurs facility, then there is a greater chance of liability. If he was at his home or at the therapist's office, then those could take him out of the scope of his employment. Lots of facts are needed.

But the therapist's attorney knows that digging in the weeds in this is costly and uncertain. He's going the public embarrassment route because people prefer to keep taboo sexual behavior secret and will pay a premium to do it. I assume that is the route they are going. I don't think you want to try a case in Bexar County against the Spurs. That said, if the exposure happened on the road, then victims would have the option of suing him in another city.

[Wu36]

And then she asked him about getting into fights as a kid so he beat her down to show her.
Doubt it went that far. But dude changes in locker rooms, is around way more medical staff than normal people, she’s called a doctor. None of us know the whole story. I’d like to know when she left. And much more.

[cd98]

Remember when streaking was a thing?

People usually just got a laugh out of it.

No, they arrest people for that. You only see them running on the field. Once they cross, they are jumped by police and arrested. Exposing yourself is a crime. But there is something more inherently troublesome when you are exposing yourself to someone in particular instead of a crowd. There are some implicit threats in that. I'm not saying he's evil or a bad kid. You can be a good person, but struggle with sexual behavior. It's just that there is a part of our brain that tells us that even though we may feel like doing something taboo, it would be very unwise to do it and so we don't. When people do act out, they struggle with that rational thought process.

[MultiTroll]

Thank you for your insight. I guess some teams are quite hesitant for the meantime since they'll have to eat up the remaining $8M on his contract but then, Primo told that he'll have to take a leave for the meantime.
This is what I've read so far:

"When a player is waived, their remaining salary — which in the NBA is guaranteed if a player sticks on his team past Jan. 10 — remains on the books for their original team. If a player is especially motivated to leave his current situation, they can forfeit salary in order to make a buyout more appealing for the team."

Since Primo did not stay with Spurs beyond Jan 10, don't know what that means.

exctatic probably knows.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

From someone close to Spurs legal, Spurs are expecting more bad news with the press conference tomorrow.

[timvp]

So long as we're fanficking nothing-burger scenarios:

Interesting one, tbh :tu

Fanficking a worst case scenario for the Spurs is another dark rabbit hole. It'd have to include something even more extreme than flashing and the doctor being randomly attacked outside of the scope of her employment -- like her just walking down the hall or Primo finding her alone in her office. And it'd have to include multiple instances that the Spurs ignored despite being given ample warning and evidence.

[Wu36]

No, they arrest people for that. You only see them running on the field. Once they cross, they are jumped by police and arrested. Exposing yourself is a crime. But there is something more inherently troublesome when you are exposing yourself to someone in particular instead of a crowd. There are some implicit threats in that. I'm not saying he's evil or a bad kid. You can be a good person, but struggle with sexual behavior. It's just that there is a part of our brain that tells us that even though we may feel like doing something taboo, it would be very unwise to do it and so we don't. When people do act out, they struggle with that rational thought process.
Joshua, it ok she’s here to help. Just be yourself she’s trained for this.

[Wu36]

Not that it may matter. Do we know this women’s age? Is she attractive. It may or may not mean something. If we are play what if’s in rabbit holes

[baseline bum]

From someone close to Spurs legal, Spurs are expecting more bad news with the press conference tomorrow.

I mean can't really expect good news when a lawyer is threatening you.

[biba]

This is what I've read so far:

"When a player is waived, their remaining salary — which in the NBA is guaranteed if a player sticks on his team past Jan. 10 — remains on the books for their original team. If a player is especially motivated to leave his current situation, they can forfeit salary in order to make a buyout more appealing for the team."

Since Primo did not stay with Spurs beyond Jan 10, don't know what that means.

exctatic probably knows.



Spurs exercised the 2023/2024 option on Joshua Primo.
Therefore he is due the 2022/2023 and 2023/2024 salaries = $8.4 M.

Spurs could try to void the contract for moral causes though :
1) Teams never won that battle in the past (NBPA would defend the player)
2) there could be a legal process. Who wants that exposure ?

We can conclude Primo will get his $8.4M. Will he keep them ???

[Wu36]

Isn’t he entitled to more? Aren’t teams below the cap floor forced
to pay the balance to the players? Or do they have to be employed end of year?

[Chinook]

It's also important to note that Primo is he (and basically all NBA players) gets checks every two weeks like most people, and he'll be getting those for four more years no matter what happens. It isn't like he was handed $9 Million or even $4 Million that he has to try to keep. My guess is that they'll either be some kind of garnishing on his checks or the court will come up with a payment plan in the event he needs one. I doubt they'll leave him particularly destitute, though his legal fees likely won't be as understanding.

[Chinook]

Isn’t he entitled to more? Aren’t teams below the cap floor forced
to pay the balance to the players? Or do they have to be employed end of year?



14. Is there a minimum amount each team must spend on its payroll?There is a minimum team salary (see question number 13 (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q13)), which for this purpose includes the salaries of players who suffered career-ending injuries or illnesses (see question number 61 (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q61)), and excludes all cap holds. The team salary must be at or above 90% of the salary cap on the date of the team's last regular season game:

Season
Minimum
Violators


2017-18
$89,183,700
Bulls ($3.4 million), Mavericks ($3.3 million)


2018-19
$91,682,100
None


2019-20
$98,226,000
None


2020-21
$98,226,000



For minimum team salary purposes the salary of a player who changes teams through trade or waivers is divided among the teams for which he played. For example, if a $10 million player is traded exactly 60% of the way through the season, then the player's original team counts $6 million of the player's salary for minimum team salary purposes, and the player's new team counts $4 million of the player's salary for minimum team salary purposes.Any salary included in team salary as a result of international buyouts (see question number 77 (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q77)) is excluded from team salary for minimum team salary purposes.Teams with a team salary below the minimum are surcharged for their shortfall, with the money distributed among the players on that team. The determination of how the money is distributed is up to the players union. Most recently they have distributed a full share to players who had spent at least 41 games on the team's roster, and a half share to players who had spent 20 to 40 games on the team's roster. However, a player cannot receive more than the maximum salary as a result of a shortfall payment.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q14

Basically, Primo won't get any of that money. But depending on how things shake out with Wesley, Jordan -fucking- Hall might get a half-share.

[Wu36]

Thanks for the info.

[RC_Drunkford]

Not that it may matter. Do we know this women’s age? Is she attractive. It may or may not mean something. If we are play what if’s in rabbit holes

I guess you haven't seen the pic...

[Mugen]

Not that it may matter. Do we know this women’s age? Is she attractive. It may or may not mean something. If we are play what if’s in rabbit holes

https://media.tenor.com/Q3KPOTHw9LAAAAAC/bold-strategy-jason-bateman.gif

[Wu36]

Mugen- that’s not what I’m curious about. I’m wondering if any or all these women have a resemblance or character trait similar to each other. Including his current/ ex, dunno their status now. And even his mom when alive. Did she not pass when he was young? Could explain some childish actions and behavior problems currently

[Wu36]

I guess you haven't seen the pic...
And no I haven’t seen any pics

[timvp]

Two interesting tidbits that aren't quite article-worthy but sound like they could be Primo-related:

1) The Spurs decided to delay that 50th anniversary docuseries until after the press conference. It was supposed to be released yesterday.

2) The Spurs have supposedly told teams that all trades are off the table until further notice.

Hmm...

[Mugen]

Two interesting tidbits that aren't quite article-worthy but sound like they could be Primo-related:

1) The Spurs decided to delay that 50th anniversary docuseries until after the press conference. It was supposed to be released yesterday.

2) The Spurs have supposedly told teams that all trades are off the table until further notice.

Hmm...

Sounds like they need to take a wait/see approach with the braintrust, eg who is still gonna be around when the dust settles...

[MultiTroll]

It's also important to note that Primo is he (and basically all NBA players) gets checks every two weeks like most people, and he'll be getting those for four more years no matter what happens.
Could Primo accept a buyout?
Not that he would with bloodsucking Buzbee lurking.
Rather is that an option?
Lets say he miraculously avoids any and all legalities and -$$$ attempts civil or otherwise and wants 3 million NOW and the Spurs agree. Could that happen? Not would, but Could?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

No, they arrest people for that. You only see them running on the field. Once they cross, they are jumped by police and arrested. Exposing yourself is a crime. But there is something more inherently troublesome when you are exposing yourself to someone in particular instead of a crowd. There are some implicit threats in that. I'm not saying he's evil or a bad kid. You can be a good person, but struggle with sexual behavior. It's just that there is a part of our brain that tells us that even though we may feel like doing something taboo, it would be very unwise to do it and so we don't. When people do act out, they struggle with that rational thought process.

Streakers in the 70s and early 80s weren’t arrested. It used to be a college campus tradition.

[Chinook]

Could Primo accept a buyout?
Not that he would with bloodsucking Buzbee lurking.
Rather is that an option?
Lets say he miraculously avoids and all legalities and -$$$ attempts and wants 3 million NOW and the Spurs agree. Could that happen? Not would, but Could?

It's a misunderstanding that the NBA has buyouts in the way the corporate world or even the MLB does. The term in the NBA describes an alterations of the guaranteed money along with usually an agreement that the team is waiving set-off rights. Buying Primo out would only change the amount due on each check. It wouldn't accelerate the payment. He'll be getting 24 checks a year for four years, even if the Spurs choose to not "stretch" next year's cap hit.

[Chinook]

Two interesting tidbits that aren't quite article-worthy but sound like they could be Primo-related:

1) The Spurs decided to delay that 50th anniversary docuseries until after the press conference. It was supposed to be released yesterday.

2) The Spurs have supposedly told teams that all trades are off the table until further notice.

Hmm...

The anniversary stuff definitely has to do with the press conference, since it'll be a good way to shift the focus.

The trade stuff feels more like a leverage play. If you believe in the idea of "trade value", all three of Poeltl, Richardson and McDermott have probably seen their value increase by a first-rounder. If teams aren't willing to give the Spurs that, then it makes sense to pull away from all trades for the time being. The Spurs should absolutely not pay to move McDermott or even trade him for a junk expiring. Richardson is worth a first right now, and Poeltl isn't going anyway for a crap first from a contender. The other teams have to hope the guys fall off a bit, and the Spurs are hoping they're still playing out of their minds when the other teams cave.

I very much doubt they are worried about trading away on an unknown member of the Flash Mafia Primo was heading. Gotta hope that the Spurs weren't Magic Miking around hotels or something to where basically every player was involved.

[MultiTroll]

He'll be getting 24 checks a year for four years, even if the Spurs choose to not "stretch" next year's cap hit.
So getting waived in the NBA is a pretty damn painless experience -at least financially.

[Wu36]

Is leverage Pop to the nets for Ben and that west team shooter? Hope not.

[Chinook]

Is leverage Pop to the nets for Ben and that west team shooter? Hope not.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6JANDIO41E&ab_channel=lilbarry

[PhantomDashCam]

From someone close to Spurs legal, Spurs are expecting more bad news with the press conference tomorrow.


Two interesting tidbits that aren't quite article-worthy but sound like they could be Primo-related:

1) The Spurs decided to delay that 50th anniversary docuseries until after the press conference. It was supposed to be released yesterday.

2) The Spurs have supposedly told teams that all trades are off the table until further notice.

Hmm...


Sounds like they need to take a wait/see approach with the braintrust, eg who is still gonna be around when the dust settles...

The Spurs seemingly took until last season to get over the mental roadblock that occurred with Klaw (being active trade participants, moving fits for other unproven stock), only for their next anointed one to be some version of Kit Ramsay from “Bowfinger”...

I would think there is more than flashing/exposing going on now (or was not dealt with appropriately with a proportional response) to warrant what news may unfold tomorrow. I’m hoping to be wrong.

[Chinook]

So getting waived in the NBA is a pretty damn painless experience -at least financially.

Yep. That's a big part of why people shouldn't be trying to apply the ADA to this. Primo didn't get fired in the same way an regular employee would. He's getting the same checks he was always entitled to. He just won't be playing for the team.

[Wu36]

Just fucking around chill. This whole thread is out of control.

[Chinook]

Sounds like they need to take a wait/see approach with the braintrust, eg who is still gonna be around when the dust settles...

Wondering if when timvp said, "Brian Wright would know what to do if Primo allegations came out," he meant "pack his bags"

[Wu36]

Could make sense with RC dropping the statement and not Wright

[K...]

Streakers in the 70s and early 80s weren’t arrested. It used to be a college campus tradition.

basically, public exhibition is considered free expression so less punished than cornering women and children and compelling them watch, or threatening sex. One is criminal the other is speech, thus the difference.

[Mugen]

Wondering if when timvp said, "Brian Wright would know what to do if Primo allegations came out," he meant "pack his bags"

BWrong is probably trying to Game of Thrones his way into a promotion by pinning this to the exec with a DUI on his record tbh.

[K...]

on timvp's 2nd point, i'm sure other teams are trying to gauge the spurs willingness to clean house. Saying this outloud is just to scare off the lowballs.

[Wu36]

There shouldn’t be any. Teams could just pick up primo. He’s was the franchise.

[Wu36]

Why lowball McDermott when you can have baby nephew.

[exstatic]

Primo's actions are inexcusable. But forgive me if I'm skeptic of someone who makes a living treating maladjusted individuals being badly traumatized (barring physical assault) by witnessing Primo's weenie.

Word is, he blocked the door, and wouldn’t let her leave for a bit.

If you knew anything about therapy, you’d know that every shrink goes to a shrink. Their job is awful, and they are traumatized by what they hear every day.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1587938317684842497?s=

Oh boy wardrobe malfunction lol

[timvp]

https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1587938317684842497?s=

Oh boy wardrobe malfunction lol

If that article is accurate, uh, that changes everything. Wow.

[BatManu20]

How does one suffer a wardrobe malfunction while in the therapist’s office…

[baseline bum]

So Primo has a 14" cock and wore John Stockton shorts to his therapy sessions?

[Maddog]

https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1587938317684842497?s=

Oh boy wardrobe malfunction lol

Interesting
IF true the Spurs could be clear
However what's the timeline here?
And did something else happen?

This will get ugly

[RC_Drunkford]

So Primo has a 14" cock and wore John Stockton shorts to his therapy sessions?

:lol that's basically what his team is saying

[Kori Ellis]

Since this story broke, the rumors have gone from "he murdered someone" to he unintentionally revealed himself while laying down in basketball shorts. If he's innocent, this is a very sad situation with all he's gone through (I'm not saying I think he's innocent). It will be very interesting to hear if there are actually "multiple women" or not. He said/she said probably won't bode well for him, but it's better than multiple accusers, obviously.

[Dejounte]

If that article is accurate, uh, that changes everything. Wow.

Uh how? You believe this shit? Sounds like him trying to get ahead of something AGAIN. Why send an apology the first time if it was just a malfunction

[Leetonidas]

The wardrobe malfunction excuse is complete bullshit :lol

[BatManu20]

Yea I’m with Dejounte. The statement he released last week was basically an admission of guilt. This sounds like a poor attempt at damage control tbh.

[Chinook]

I don't think this makes a ton of sense, or in the very least it leaves a ton out. Like did this happen in one incident? Or was it over the course of multiple therapy sessions? Did she tell the Spurs, but they downplayed it AND she still kept going to the sessions? If this is all that happened, why would the threat of being sued cause the Spurs to cut Primo.

It's a shit story for Josh to tell. Has that kid still not gotten a lawyer?

[Leetonidas]

So Primo has a 14" cock and wore John Stockton shorts to his therapy sessions?

Exactly:lmao

[Chinook]

Uh how? You believe this shit? Sounds like him trying to get ahead of something AGAIN. Why send an apology the first time if it was just a malfunction

Only justification I can see if it he actually did something during the Four Seasons incident and was apologizing for that but maintains his innocence in the psychologist's accusations.

[Leetonidas]

Was he taking his underwear off before these sessions after games and practices? :lol

[Dejounte]

Was he taking his underwear off before these sessions after games and practices? :lol

fuck what a joke of a story

[Chinook]

fuck what a joke of a story

He sounds like the villain in a college-girl story. He sounds so gross in how he 's justifying it. The Spurs should sue him at this point.

[Ariel]

Word is, he blocked the door, and wouldn’t let her leave for a bit.

If you knew anything about therapy, you’d know that every shrink goes to a shrink. Their job is awful, and they are traumatized by what they hear every day.
Actually a close relative is a psychologist, and I've heard stories that make that look like a joke. Unless there's a much more sinister backstory, I don't buy that for a second.

[scott]

Impressive response. This is a tangent for me, but I think it’s definitely odd that the psychologist works for the team and isn’t acting like a typical therapist where they are paid by the patient/client. It’s ethically weird. I trust the Spurs typically, but the more I think about this, I’m having challenges with a mental health professional suing a client they are supposed to be helping, especially in the absence of a legal charge. I don’t think that’s the reason the lawyer is targeting the Spurs, obviously, in doing so this may put less focus on Primo. Honestly, I could see him saying he has an alcohol problem and trying to downplay the issue that way, and if he went that way I could see a path back, maybe not with the Spurs, though they have their experience with alcoholics. Anyway. Just rambling.

Great point here... there are some weird conflicts of interest presented in this case. Will be interesting to watch it play out from a corporate internal affairs perspective.

[scott]

Just to be clear, in that fanfic, Primo's actually lying about taking accountability, and the psychologist is right in her assessment that Primo should be cut. The Spurs' reluctance to agree immediately causes her to file suit. The Spurs may consult a second opinion or get word of another incident. But in the very least, they don't believe Primo like they did before and cut him on the advice of Legal.

Do we know anything about the timeline of when the therapist left the Spurs and under what terms? In your scenario, she quits like, in the last few days... but for all we know she left the team last season? Do we know?

[vy65]

If that article is accurate, uh, that changes everything. Wow.

If true, why not an outright denial instead of childhood trauma? Also, lol Spurs reputation in that scenario.

[Kori Ellis]

Another weird thing to me is that there's not actually a lawsuit against him (according to TMZ). They only sent him a demand letter. Is that normal? :spin

[vy65]

Another weird thing to me is that there's not actually a lawsuit against him (according to TMZ). They only sent him a demand letter. Is that normal? :spin

Yes, that’s SOP. In some cases (not this one) it’s a prerequisite to recovering attorneys fees.

[Russ]

Another weird thing to me is that there's not actually a lawsuit against him (according to TMZ). They only sent him a demand letter. Is that normal? :spin

Yes, that's completely normal. It sets everything up from then on.

[timvp]

Uh how? You believe this shit? Sounds like him trying to get ahead of something AGAIN. Why send an apology the first time if it was just a malfunction

I'll wait until after the press conference tomorrow to comment further but that article had notable yet subtle points that could change the outcome of this ordeal, IMO.

[timvp]

Do we know anything about the timeline of when the therapist left the Spurs and under what terms? In your scenario, she quits like, in the last few days... but for all we know she left the team last season? Do we know?

I had the same question. The latest I've heard that someone can still place her 100% still with the team is July.

[Russ]

Yes, that’s SOP. In some cases (not this one) it’s a prerequisite to recovering attorneys fees.

She'll get attorneys fees in this case under Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act regardless of any demand letters or anything else (if she prevails).

[ducks]

JeffGSpursKENS5
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Report: Ex-Spur Primo claims he never intentionally exposed himself to team psychologist https://buff.ly/3U4YdK2 #porvida #nba #gospursgo #nbatwitter #sanantonio

[JeffDuncan]

https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1587938317684842497?s=

Oh boy wardrobe malfunction lol


Sounds like the wardrobe malfunction story is what he told his girlfriend and his mother.

[The Truth #6]

Sounds like the story is BS but he’s lawyered up and is pushing back.

Back to an earlier point, if Buzbee isn’t even going after Primo to chase the bigger cash prize, it undermines their case and leaves a door open for Primo to assert his innocence.

Also, because there are three interconnected sides to this story, it’s like everyone is guilty and no one is guilty, so to speak.

[lmbebo]

Actually a close relative is a psychologist, and I've heard stories that make that look like a joke. Unless there's a much more sinister backstory, I don't buy that for a second.


Was always taught to be between the door and the patient. But I'm guessing she didn't go into the session like he was a threat and he created the situation (by what ya'll are writing).

[Wu36]

Just sounds like people around him defending him.

[Chinook]

The TMZ piece suggests the incidents happened during official sessions between Primo and the psychologist.That there was a couch there could suggest it didn't happen in the Spurs' facility. That Primo is "shcoked" by the allegations suggests this wasn't something he was accused of with his knowledge -- meaning there was not a moment when the three sides had a confrontation or that the Spurs explicitly confronted Primo about clear accusations level on him by the psychologist. It also suggests that this wasn't why Primo was waived or at least isn't what he believes to be the reason. That we're this far in the process but Primo hasn't been sued makes me wonder if they're going to try to paint him more as a force of nature that the Spurs unleashed on women more than him being an active predator. The implication that Primo is being taken advantag of besides having the sexual implications also implies that the incident likely didn't bring an immediate end to their interaction.

Those are just a few different ways I saw to bend the TMZ piece to look for hints at the upcoming proceedings. I still think Primo is being dishonest if not just lying. But there could certainly be some weirdness going on. The psychologist doesn't look too good in this situation either.

[Kori Ellis]

Yes, that's completely normal. It sets everything up from then on.

So, is it normal (even in a 'high' profile case) for there to be a press conference before a lawsuit is filed? I thought even if they did the demand letter first that it wouldn't make much sense to have a press conference right now. What are they trying to gain by it?

[K...]

ok i think the play for the lawyer, make a big public stink and hope other women come forward so you can snowball the case into something more $$$$. would make sense to go for full publicity. Hotel staff may not want to be litigious and the hotel has it's own interests.

[Dverde]

There were multiple incidents with different women. Not really buying what primo is selling. I’m just hoping the Spurs aren’t burying earlier incidents.

[Kori Ellis]

Has there been any official word from anywhere that the hotel maid rumor was true at all?

[Kori Ellis]

I had the same question. The latest I've heard that someone can still place her 100% still with the team is July.

On her website, she still lists herself with the team. So, I'm guessing she didn't quit that long ago or I think the website would be changed.

[The Truth #6]

The therapist’s progress notes, assuming they are time stamped in an Electronic Medical Record system, should be crucial evidence that is presented and this should be at least something that shows a timeline of events in the patient/therapist relationship. But maybe HIPAA and/or his defense squashes it.

[BackHome]

At this point her lawyer and his lawyer are ironing out a nice payment clause that will make both parties happy and life gets to go on for both of them

[Chinook]

Has there been any official word from anywhere that the hotel maid rumor was true at all?

I don't know if TMZ just doesn't care about this situation, but they didn't even confirm that it was multiple women. They cited Woj's article saying it was multiple cases of exposing himself to women, but could potentially mean multiple instances on the same women, including during one sessions with multiple Basic Instinct--esque movements. It's possible that Primo got cut from something else, be it sexual or otherwise -- and Primo apologized for that. The big question is if something happened of if the Spurs just REALLY panicked about these allegations. If they're level-headed at all, the story Primo told to TMZ wouldn't've gotten him cut.

[Dverde]

On her website, she still lists herself with the team. So, I'm guessing she didn't quit that long ago or I think the website would be changed.

I heard she was a contractor which is not an employee. Spurs could have said we want her replaced because of what happened with Primo to her employer (which could have reasonably pissed her off). She must have signed a NDA which she is about to break tomorrow with a presser with legal counsel.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Honestly if it’s only the psychologist and no one else that is pressing charges he probably
gets away with it and will be on a team by next year. But we will see what she says tomorrow morning.

[Kori Ellis]

I heard she was a contractor which is not an employee. Spurs could have said we want her replaced because of what happened with Primo to her employer (which could have reasonably pissed her off). She must have signed a NDA which she is about to break tomorrow with a presser with legal counsel.

Yes, I understand that she was a contractor. I am just saying her website currently says: "Dr. Hillary Cauthen is the Co-Owner of Texas Optimal Performance & Psychological Services, LLC, Austin, Texas, Performance Psychologist for the San Antonio Spurs, Co-Founder of BluChip Analytics, and Co-Founder of Living Mental Wellness, LLC." https://www.livingmentalwellness.com/ So I think that they would have changed that if it's been many months that she hasn't been with the Spurs (or maybe not - people are lazy about updating their websites).

[offset formation]

Schizophrenia? I don't see that at all. My uncle had schizophrenia and it looked way different from anything I have ever seen or heard of with Primo. He used to think he was having conversations with the radio and killed a guy because the radio told him to. The drugs they put you on to control it turn you into a complete space cadet too, they make things so slow. I wouldn't wish that disease on my worst enemy.

Yes timvp's source is pie-in-the-sky levels of optimistic. There are unsubstantiated reports from Amin al Hassan that say he located a prep school allegation that resulted in Primo’s expulsion. Spurs knowledge and continued support of him with that knowledge will cost them financially and in the public opinion.

And I concur on the alleged schizophrenia diagnosis. In fact if you look up schizophrenia that kind of behavior would manifest itself in multiple other ways concurrent or in lieu of flashing.

It's much more in line with a kid who is acting out after potentially being exposed to aome level of sexual abuse as a youth, but its also awash with potential sociopathy that might have nothing to do with prior sexual victimhood at all.

[Chinook]

Fanficking Part II: Joshua Primo -- Master of the Universe

Four Seasons Incident: *Happens*

Spurs: WTF is that, Primo?

Primo: I've got some darkness in me from childhood trauma. I'm trying to work my way through it.

Spurs: Well, we feel that, man. You seem like a good kid, but we can't just let this slide after those rumors about you in prep school. You're not playing tonight. Go see the psychologist. We'll speak with her about a plan to help you deal with this. Don't worry, we'll just tell everyone you've got butt spasms.

Primo: Sounds good. I have been feeling a little twitchy back there. Do you want to see?

Spurs: I don't think that will be necessary.

*Later*

Spurs: So how did the session go? Do you think there's a way to make sure this behavior doesn't happen again?

Psychologist: No. You need to get rid of that little shit. He exposed himself to me too.

Spurs: Ugh that's disgusting. How exactly did it happen? Did he threaten you? We need the full story.

Psychologist: You don't believe me?

Spurs: No, we actually do believe you, but we need to make sure we have the full story before we take drastic moves.

Psychologist: I can't believe this. You have a predator on your team, and you're looking for excuses for him. I can't work with an organization that will leave their staffers vulnerable to a man like that. There's no way I should've been in the room alone with him.

Spurs: We accept your resignation. We take these matters very seriously but will need to do a full investigation.

Psychologist: You can take that up with my lawyer.

Spurs Legal: Drop him.

Spurs: Just like that?

Spurs Legal: Just like that. Between the two of us, she's probably right, and the longer he's on the team, the more risk we're running.

Spurs: K.

Spurs: We're letting you go, Josh

Primo (thinking about the hotel thing): I know I really stepped over the line this time.

Spurs (thinking about the thing with the psychologist): You did. We can't take the hit for this. We hope you figure out your issues and can eventually return to the league. If you want our advice, own up to what happened. Face it and move past it.

Primo: Thanks.

Spurs: But please don't mention us any time soon.

Primo (not knowing the psychologist kept getting eyefuls of his junk during their session): Will do. I guess the psychologist thinks I'm really messed up.

Spurs: Definitely.

Primo: Do you think she'll still do sessions with me? I feel like we have been making progress over the past few months.

Spurs: ... I doubt that, buddy.

[offset formation]

I would think so, yes

Wonder if thats taking into account the prep school expulsion or only his time with the Spurs since being drafted?

[K...]

Yes timvp's source is pie-in-the-sky levels of optimistic. There are unsubstantiated reports from Amin al Hassan that say he located a prep school allegation that resulted in Primo’s expulsion. Spurs knowledge and continued support of him with that knowledge will cost them financially and in the public opinion.

And I concur on the alleged schizophrenia diagnosis. In fact if you look up schizophrenia that kind of behavior would manifest itself in multiple other ways concurrent or in lieu of flashing.

It's much more in line with a kid who is acting out after potentially being exposed to aome level of sexual abuse as a youth, but its also awash with potential sociopathy that might have nothing to do with prior sexual victimhood at all.

How is baby pervert going to hurt the spurs? are you suggesting something like "oh, we knew he was a pervert and we like that"? or "we knew he was a pervert, but we forgot, and we extended him, featured him, called him the franchise"

[Russ]

So, is it normal (even in a 'high' profile case) for there to be a press conference before a lawsuit is filed? I thought even if they did the demand letter first that it wouldn't make much sense to have a press conference right now. What are they trying to gain by it?

Sorry. I just meant it was normal to send a demand letter.

Press conferences are in the land of bread and circuses. I have no opinion on them except to say that sexual harrassment cases do seem to have more than their fair share of them.

[Wu36]

Could be he said she said. They actually were messing around and Spurs dropped both.

[offset formation]

Streakers in the 70s and early 80s weren’t arrested. It used to be a college campus tradition.

There's also something very clearly universal about a streaker compared to a flasher in a 1 on 1 scenario in a closed room between a man and a woman.

People should just use this test for themselves: Would I want it to happen to my mom or little sister?

I would never want them in a situation that is slleged against Primo. We've been to an NFL game as?a family where someone streaked and it engendered nothing more than a passing, "what a moron" statement.

[Wu36]

Maybe she made a trip to Minnesota while an investigation was already going on.

[offset formation]

How is baby pervert going to hurt the spurs? are you suggesting something like "oh, we knew he was a pervert and we like that"? or "we knew he was a pervert, but we forgot, and we extended him, featured him, called him the franchise"

Huh? Dude, prior knowledge of criminal behavior is like 9/10 of being fucked in a civil lawsuit. Add in any new accusations to that mix which now reportedly happened on at least 3 occasions and you've got a problem.

To me it's not even about the money though. It's about who knew what and when. Resignations are the name of this game. If evidence exists that PATFO knew for over a year and just released him, those members of PATFO will inevitably have shorter careers with the Spurs than otherwise planned.

[gambit1990]

primo will 100% be on another team next season.

could even happen well before then.

[offset formation]

primo will 100% be on another team next season.

could even happen well before then.

Let's send him back home, north to your raptors.

Btw, not sure Primo showed out at a high enough level to overcome any concerns about his now very public mental health issues. That is going to follow him around for the rest of his life and accusations will have to be treated seriously, true or not.

To me, he isn't worth it.

[gambit1990]

]Btw, not sure Primo showed out at a high enough level to overcome any concerns about his now very public mental health issues. That is going to follow him around for the rest of his life and accusations will have to be treated seriously, true or not.

To me, he isn't worth it.
i haven't seen him play one second tbh.

if it is just instances of flashing then i'm acquiring him asap but not having him suit up for anything other than practice for 3 to 4 months while he goes thru therapy.

[gambit1990]

i wonder if the spurs had let that woman know that josh may have a certain proclivity.

[gambit1990]

anyone know what time the conference is? sometime between 12 and 2?

[illusioNtEk]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/02/23/64133969-0-image-m-3_1667431865069.jpg
Psychologist Hillary Cauthen has made an accusation against the 19-year-old Primo - she used to work for the San Antonio Spurs

[illusioNtEk]

Primo's Camp says: "'Never Intentionally' Exposed Himself During Therapy"

Spurs might get accused of hiding this for over a year. Funny how the accuser no longer works for the Spurs.

[MultiTroll]

Primo's Camp says: "'Never Intentionally' Exposed Himself During Therapy"

Spurs might get accused of hiding this for over a year. Funny how the accuser no longer works for the Spurs.
Sure sounds like potentially written by a defense liarwyer however let's hear Josh out.

:lol "Ya i did one Unintentionally."

[offset formation]

i haven't seen him play one second tbh.

if it is just instances of flashing then i'm acquiring him asap but not having him suit up for anything other than practice for 3 to 4 months while he goes thru therapy.

I think the thing the folks in the "another team will sign him soon" camp are overlooking is the potential for him to be a locker room cancer or pariah nobody wants around.

He really clowned himself.

[gambit1990]

I think the thing the folks in the "another team will sign him soon" camp are overlooking is the potential for him to be a locker room cancer or pariah nobody wants around.

He really clowned himself.
he's young though.

if i'm a GM then i'm hoping this lights a giant fire under his āss. and if it doesn't then just cut him.

[MultiTroll]

Fanficking Part II: Joshua Primo -- Master of the Universe
I think a whole lot of

Psychologist "got coached by Buzbee"

might need to be in there. :depressed

[The Truth #6]

Primo has absolutely nothing going for him at this point. Fans already hated him as a player BEFORE his high character took a nose dive. I just don’t see it being worth the time. He should play in the French league and hope for a Gary Neal reclamation. Pleading innocence is his only hope. Or a workout with the Lakers.

[InRareForm]

On front page of daily fail lol

"wardrobe malfunction"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-11383905/Josh-Primo-never-intentionally-exposed-San-Antonio-Spurs-psychologist.html

[RC_Drunkford]

if this happened in July or prior it would be hilarious for the Spurs to then roll him out as the spokes person of their new jersey sponsor :lol

[JeffDuncan]

I'll wait until after the press conference tomorrow to comment further but that article had notable yet subtle points that could change the outcome of this ordeal, IMO.


One subtle point in that TMZ story is that Primo’s defenders are saying he didn’t shower after practice or after games.

‘STILL wearing his practice/game shorts’ -> he did not take a shower.

I think Primo is lying to his family and friends.

[JuneJive]

When exactly is the presser?
T-minus?

[The Truth #6]

Yeah, is this bad boy streaming on KSAT or something?

[gospursgojas]

https://twitter.com/mattroy_tv/status/1588160375593254917?s=46&t=2d30tSADXzO5k2P6jO-Qkw

[gospursgojas]

https://youtu.be/lYMhLW-BT3w

[InRareForm]

��

[emanueldavidginobili]

Buzbee said she didn't run to the press she tried handling it in house and nothing was done by the Spurs, yikes.

[Mugen]

Allegedly Primo first exposed himself to the psychologist in December 2021 and she allegedly reported to BWrong in January 2022.

[Ariel]

First happened in december 2021, informed management in january 2022, it seems they didn't take it seriously and avoided meeting with her. They assured her there would be an investigation, they'd talk to Primo and there would be consequences. Apparently what happened is that her activity got restricted, was told to work from home. She tried to raise the issue with Pop, they told him in june that Pop knows but they can't say whether that was true. She was told to wait it out, and eventually the administration and the team told her they had lost trust in her. And apparently Primo did it again in Vegas, and her contract wasn't renewed in August. They tried to handle it privately but weren't successful. Happened again in Minnesota, and that prompted the release of Primo and prompted her actions. The Spurs' statements are completely false and failed on all counts. Filed lawsuit against the Spurs and Primo. There will be criminal charges for multiple counts of indecent exposure. This happened because someone in the Spurs leaked the reasons for Primo's release. Hidding conduct under the rug isn't acceptable, she tried to do things the right way and the Spurs didn't. The lawyer is calling anyone who was a victim of Primo or has information about it to call him, and they'll make sure everything that was swept under the rug goes public.

[justinandimcool]

not looking good on the Spurs haha

[JuneJive]

Ouch.

Heads are gonna roll.

[Mugen]

Sounds like they're saying they don't think Pop was ever made aware of the situation (FO lied to her saying Pop knew). Sounds like Pop might be off the hook from their legal attack tbh.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Well that’s one way to make RC get rid of Brian Wrong

[vy65]

Yikes

[emanueldavidginobili]

How did Pop not get wind of this? Brian Wright really didn't tell him? lmao

[Mugen]

Sounds like their case is pretty flimsy tbh. Lot of hearsay. If anything, maybe BWrong might have to fall on the sword, but sounds like RC & Pop aren't directly named by Busbee in their attack.

[vy65]

So basically, months of allegations, told the Dr they’d handle in house, incidents keep happening, they sideline her and then don’t renew her contract, ostensibly to protect Primo, only for them to be forced into acting and waiving Primo - shortly after handing him a bag of $8 million.

[The Truth #6]

Bad day for the Sniffers.

[Mugen]

Criminal charges possibly coming for Primo, interesting tbh.

[The Truth #6]

Criminal charges against Primo coming.

[BatManu20]

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[Big Empty]

Yep. Spurs gonna lose millions in this case, but the hit to our reputation is going to be terrible. The Pop hating MAGA crowd gonna have a field day. Time for the GM to step down to save face

[Leetonidas]

Brian Wright didn't tell Pop? :lol wtf

[BatManu20]

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[rjv]

brief summary: Primo's activities were not suspended but her's were and tried to facilitate an exchange between Primo and her accuser in order to work out a deal. She was told that Pop was aware of what was going on but there is no confirmation of this and it is possible that she was being lied to about this. She was kept from traveling with the team and was also told that the Spurs administration and the team had lost trust in her. While she was away Primo exposed himself to other individuals. This happened again on the Minnesota road trip and then Primo, after the GM, HR and the deputy counsel knowing about it for ten months, he was finally let go. The lawsuit has been filed against the San Antonio Spurs and Josh Primo. Bexar County authorities will look into charges of indecent exposure. The alleged victim said she can only say so much because of HIPAA.

[BatManu20]

Brian Wright didn't tell Pop? :lol wtf

Don’t buy that for a second. They’re just protecting Pop tbh.

[mo7888]

Regardless of how strong this case is...How in the holy hell do you have this happen twice and guarantee his contract for next season? I mean that's executive malpractice..

[Mugen]

Don’t buy that for a second. They’re just protecting Pop tbh.

weird that Buzbee is pretty much shielding Pop too tbh.

[Mugen]

Regardless of how strong this case is...How in the holy hell do you have this happen twice and guarantee his contract for next season? I mean that's executive malpractice..

Yeah they should have waived him after the summer league incident tbh :lol

[Ocotillo]

Watched the stream of the press conference. LOL at the door handles as they were exiting, sharks.

[BatManu20]

All this over Joshua fucking Primo… :lol

Should've just taken Sengün and been done with it smh.

[GAustex]

Pop harbored a sexual predator?

[Leetonidas]

Don’t buy that for a second. They’re just protecting Pop tbh.

Very possible but idk it would explain why he looked so fucking pissed when the news of his waiving first broke. I can believe Brian Wright trying to squash this to protect his Primo pick but I don't believe Pop wouldn't care about something like this.

[emanueldavidginobili]

So someone from the Spurs organization leaked all of this stuff along with Primo exposing himself in Minnesota last week

[timvp]

Did Buzbee just admit to getting the Minnesota rumor from Reddit? :lol

[cd98]

I think the Buzbee shielding Pop thing is probably a strategy to get the case settled for a lot of money.

Spurs can't sit on their hands anymore. If they don't respond, they will lose the PR battle.

But as a lawyer, I can tell you that the therapist will be a good witness and given what we know about Minnesota and Las Vegas, it is almost certain more women will come out, and what is more scary for the Spurs is that there may be more within the organization itself.

[rjv]

Brian Wright didn't tell Pop? :lol wtf

from what i gathered, it does not seem as if pop knew but the victim had been told otherwise. buzbee seemed to suggest that the spurs administration, and perhaps wright himself, had told her that pop knew but there was no solid confirmation of this and it appeared to be lie. but if wright knew, and told no one, he needs to go.

[Leetonidas]

Might also explain why RC is the one who made the initial statement and Wright hadn't made a peep

[gospursgojas]

Lots of holes in their story. Especially how they passed along rumors as facts. Apparently there’s a Vegas incident and the Minnny incident. But when pressed for details he said “according to reports from you”. Who? The press? There are no news reports. No police reports. Is Buzbee on spurtalk?

[cd98]

They say the rumors are coming from within the Spurs organization.

[baseline bum]

Did Buzbee just admit to getting the Minnesota rumor from Reddit? :lol

Did he also talk about the murder?

[rjv]

why would buzbee try to protect pop? it was buzbee himself who said it appeared that his client was lied to when she was told that pop knew. now, one could argue that pop was intentionally kept out of the loop so as to protect him. the interesting dynamic here will be in hearing how wright and pop would continue on if wright did shield pop from this information.

[vy65]

I think the Buzbee shielding Pop thing is probably a strategy to get the case settled for a lot of money.

Spurs can't sit on their hands anymore. If they don't respond, they will lose the PR battle.

But as a lawyer, I can tell you that the therapist will be a good witness and given what we know about Minnesota and Las Vegas, it is almost certain more women will come out, and what is more scary for the Spurs is that there may be more within the organization itself.

The good citizens of SA will be way more willing to give money to a sympathetic plaintiff (don’t know if she is one) if BWrong is the target. If they’re going after Pop, they’re way more likely to get poured out. You see this happen all the time with difficult defendants - you ally them by saying they didn’t known and had they, none of this would have happened.

[timvp]

No wonder the Spurs didn't settle. Unless there's something more, that press conference was mostly a nothingburger looking at it from a liability angle.

[vy65]

Lots of holes in their story. Especially how they passed along rumors as facts. Apparently there’s a Vegas incident and the Minnny incident. But when pressed for details he said “according to reports from you”. Who? The press? There are no news reports. No police reports. Is Buzbee on spurtalk?

Discovery is a thing.

[baseline bum]

No wonder the Spurs didn't settle. Unless there's something more, that press conference was mostly a nothingburger looking at it from a liability angle.

You don't think that's going to look really bad in front of a jury that the Spurs were forced to release him?

[vy65]

No wonder the Spurs didn't settle. Unless there's something more, that press conference was mostly a nothingburger looking at it from a liability angle.

Why? They released Primo because of conduct that is the subject of the lawsuit. That’s an admission.

[rjv]

Lots of holes in their story. Especially how they passed along rumors as facts. Apparently there’s a Vegas incident and the Minnny incident. But when pressed for details he said “according to reports from you”. Who? The press? There are no news reports. No police reports. Is Buzbee on spurtalk?

then he went public and asked other "victims" to step up. the problem with this is that there will obviously be false accusers and there will also perhaps be some legitimate ones.

[cd98]

Criminal prosecution is likely to go no where, especially if there is only one case in Bexar County and Primo has the financial ability to hire a good attorney and is a celebrity by San Antonio standards.

The civil matter is a little more interesting. I don't think that a jury is going to go wild on the Spurs in Bexar County unless there is more than one victim from within the organization and they can show the Spurs were actively enabling Primo. And it's BS to suggest that a lottery pick had these types of allegations and Pop never heard about it.

I've always said Pop was a low risk truth teller. It is easy to speak out for BLM or against Columbus because you won't pay a price. But not taking action against Primo after the accusation from a credible source to protect your draft asset is damning and if more gets out, there will be a price to pay for silence and inaction.

[scott]

Not trying to be a “sniffer” but the Spurs could potentially have a really clean cover here.

in a case like this, the right thing to do when these allegations are brought forward would be to hire an independent investigator. If that investigation came back inconclusive or not supporting the claim then the actions the Spurs took per Buzbee would be consistent with that. Separating her from the team and trying to mediate the issue are legit remedies in the case where an investigation yields no credible evidence (and in this case, it would literally be he said/she said in which case an investigators job is to probe the witnesses to find inconsistencies in their story).

A written report would come out of the investigation but it would NEVER be shared with the victim or the accused. That is not appropriate. The only people who ever see the report would be management.

not saying that happened, but it isn’t inconsistent with Buzbee’s telling of the timeline

[Das Texan]

No wonder the Spurs didn't settle. Unless there's something more, that press conference was mostly a nothingburger looking at it from a liability angle.

But gives them ample reason to dismiss Brian Wrong.

[gospursgojas]

You don't think that's going to look really bad in front of a jury that the Spurs were forced to release him?

“We released him as soon as we found out”

Prove the timeline.

[vy65]

She tried working with the organization because of conduct that they ultimately admitted was happening and released the player. It’s not like she immediately ran to Buzbee and filed suit last December.

[Leetonidas]

You don't think that's going to look really bad in front of a jury that the Spurs were forced to release him?

No guarantee this ever goes to jury trial. I'm sure the Spurs lawsuit will settle or be dismissed before it ever gets there

[Kermit]

“We released him as soon as we found out”

Prove the timeline.

If she has a paper trail of emails detailing the allegations and HR has reports, the argument that they just found out goes out the window.

[Leetonidas]

Attorneys frequently file lawsuits to bring a certain validity to their claim especially if the defendant party feels their claim is BS. Given the high profile of a sports team it's obvious why Buzbee filed a lawsuit. It may be BS but putting it out there publicly is a bad look at Buzbee knows it, so I'm sure he thinks the bad press will force SA to cave

[vy65]

Not trying to be a “sniffer” but the Spurs could potentially have a really clean cover here.

in a case like this, the right thing to do when these allegations are brought forward would be to hire an independent investigator. If that investigation came back inconclusive or not supporting the claim then the actions the Spurs took per Buzbee would be consistent with that. Separating her from the team and trying to mediate the issue are legit remedies in the case where an investigation yields no credible evidence (and in this case, it would literally be he said/she said in which case an investigators job is to probe the witnesses to find inconsistencies in their story).

A written report would come out of the investigation but it would NEVER be shared with the victim or the accused. That is not appropriate. The only people who ever see the report would be management.

not saying that happened, but it isn’t inconsistent with Buzbee’s telling of the timeline

Very true. But if that happened, and came back as you say, I don’t know that the spurs being mum on it is doing them any favors. But we’re not privy to those strategy calls.

[Ariel]

Worst pick in Spurs history.

[Dverde]

Here are my notes on the presser:
- Victim started with Spurs in April 2021 and would travel with the team.


- Only incident of indecent exposure was on Dec 2021 with her.


- She tried to talk to GM but GM kept delaying it, eventually met with GM (Assuming Wright, name not mentioned) in Jan 2022

- She told GM, HR what happened. Told Pop knew about it later on.


- Victim assured there would be an investigation and report done about it and Primo being counseled. They believe none of this happened.


- There was another incident with Primo during Summer League in Las Vegas.


- There was another incident a week ago in Minnesota which led the Spurs to release Primo.


- She was told by the front office that she didn’t need to come into the office earlier this year, she was told not to go on road trips with the team anymore, Spurs front office said they lost faith in her, and her contract was not renewed (she is a contractor, not employee)


- She has 4 daughters


- Primo already has a lawyer from California and sent her lawyer a threatening letter.


- She plans to work with Bexar county to file criminal charges against Primo.


- Her lawyer filed civil lawsuits against the Spurs and Primo.

[cd98]

Suing Pop as part of the Spurs organization is risky, but basically saying that they would be shocked after all the things he's said in public about human rights that Pop would not have taken action against Primo is their way of saying settle this case to keep Pop's reputation in place.

[Chinook]

To be clear the Spurs never said they released Primo because hr was exposing himself. That's what the media found out was a thing that happened, but even they only talk about sequence and not causality.

That said, it's also possible for the Spurs to have been justified in not feeling they could release Primo the first time but felt justified this most recent time because they found concrete evidence.

[Mugen]

I want BWrong fired for basketball reasons so I wouldn't lose sleep if he had to fall on the sword...

But if this is really the extent of their case then I'm not sure if much will come out of this....

They'd need other women to step forward IMO and I think Buzbee would have alluded to that if that's something they had in their back pocket but he didn't. Could always change but that didn't seem anywhere as strong as the case against Watson tbh, not even in the same stratosphere.

[gospursgojas]

Don’t think they are trying to protect Pop. They know it would be way harder to win a jury’s opinion over Saint Pop. Now convincing a jury that Brian Wright is incompetent is another story.

[Kurik]

Yep. Spurs gonna lose millions in this case, but the hit to our reputation is going to be terrible. The Pop hating MAGA crowd gonna have a field day. Time for the GM to step down to save face

Really wasn’t that bad to be honest. Wright just needs to go which would be a positive.

[mo7888]

“We released him as soon as we found out”

Prove the timeline.

Where have the Spurs ever said "we released him as soon as we found out"?

[rjv]

No guarantee this ever goes to jury trial. I'm sure the Spurs lawsuit will settle or be dismissed before it ever gets there

highly unlikely it goes to jury. most civil cases seek settlements.

[4lifecowboy]

I need to know the definition of exposing, is he pulling down his pants, is she looking up his shorts??

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Yeah they should have waived him after the summer league incident tbh :lol

Never should have drafted him. :cuss:cuss:cuss:soapbox::soapbox::soapbox::huddle: :cuss:cuss:soapbox::soapbox::flipoff:pctoss:wtf:pc toss:wtf:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:b ang:bang:bang:bang:bang

[gospursgojas]

Is the Vegas summer league incident based on reports Buzbee got off Reddit as well?

Is Primo’s grandma ok?

[offset formation]

Ouch.

Heads are gonna roll.

As I've been saying they would if these allegations are true. 3 separate situations that are known. And there will be more, make no mistake.

Spurs are now just like every other franchise and thats one reason I always respected them that they did things the right way. Now thats gone.

[Chinook]

There's something else Brian Wright is besides incompetent that I think they're angling for.

[BatManu20]

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[Mugen]

This won't ever get to a jury/judge tbh :lol

Spurs will probably make a vanilla statement that probably don't even directly address the accusations. They'll privately settle with the Doc and we won't hear from Buzbee again on the matter.

It's possible that Silver privately demands a sacrificial lamb from them in which case it'd be Wright and some behind the scenes folks like HR/Legal with cushy severance packages.

And Primo will be on another roster by the time next season starts tbh.

[gospursgojas]

As I've been saying they would if these allegations are true. 3 separate situations that are known. And there will be more, make no mistake.

Spurs are now just like every other franchise and thats one reason I always respected them that they did things the right way. Now thats gone.

3 separate situations reported by whom?

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No wonder the Spurs didn't settle. Unless there's something more, that press conference was mostly a nothingburger looking at it from a liability angle.

Totally disagree. Theyve already been tried and convictedin the press. 3 separate instances, with undoubtedly more coming?

[TimDunkem]

As I've been saying they would if these allegations are true. 3 separate situations that are known. And there will be more, make no mistake.

Spurs are now just like every other franchise and thats one reason I always respected them that they did things the right way. Now thats gone.

I never want to hear about "class" and "Spurs material" anymore. :lol

[Atl Spur]

I want BWrong fired for basketball reasons so I wouldn't lose sleep if he had to fall on the sword...

But if this is really the extent of their case then I'm not sure if much will come out of this....

They'd need other women to step forward IMO and I think Buzbee would have alluded to that if that's something they had in their back pocket but he didn't. Could always change but that didn't seem anywhere as strong as the case against Watson tbh, not even in the same stratosphere.

Could you please enlighten us with the basketball reasons why good ol’ B Wright should be fired?

[cd98]

Well that pleading is public. Who is going to get it and post it on Spurstalk?

[Joseph Kony]

Totally disagree. Theyve already been tried and convictedin the press. 3 separate instances, with undoubtedly more coming?

nah, everyone knows Buzbee is a sleazy attorney and most of his conference was outlining hearsay and rumor. not saying Primo isnt a freak that pulled his dick out but Spurs franchise isnt going to suffer much from this other than Wright probably getting shitcanned over it

[K...]

ok, the argument, "they sidleined me " is a lot like "we took steps to prevent a reprisal of the incident"

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To be clear the Spurs never said they released Primo because hr was exposing himself. That's what the media found out was a thing that happened, but even they only talk about sequence and not causality.

That said, it's also possible for the Spurs to have been justified in not feeling they could release Primo the first time but felt justified this most recent time because they found concrete evidence.

What about the 2nd time (as we know now, though there could be more) in Vegas?

[Ariel]

Could you please enlighten us with the basketball reasons why good ol’ B Wright should be fired?
Ah, now I get it. Atl Spur is Brian Wright's Spurstalk account. Explains a lot of things.

[TheChillFactor]

why would buzbee try to protect pop?

Its a settlement strategy. The price is X to get Pop off the hook. That's what they are REALLY negotiating as we speak.

They are trying to get the Spurs by the balls. How much does Peter Holt Jr. love his grandpa?

If that number isn't high enough, we drag Pop into this shit. How much does his legacy matter?

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O

[K...]

nah, everyone knows Buzbee is a sleazy attorney and most of his conference was outlining hearsay and rumor. not saying Primo isnt a freak that pulled his dick out but Spurs franchise isnt going to suffer much from this other than Wright probably getting shitcanned over it

write is not leaving unless he did something dumb. You have HR and legal for this shit. If he notified them , then they will fall on the sword. The only big no no would be if wright or someone ignored the demands of therapist and legar/HR to say keep it under wraps and pay her off. keep it under wraps and pay off is normal and legal if it's what the parties want. PAfto must be dumb and in control to really get shitcanned at trial.

[Atl Spur]

Ah, now I get it. Atl Spur is Brian Wright's Spurstalk account. Explains a lot of things.

You just can’t get enough…. Stay on topic homie:)

[cd98]

Not to rush to judgment, as you can allege anything against anyone, but the question is what is the proof. Again, if there is only one case in Bexar County and the office visit is sketchy, then maybe they don't have the proof. What if it was a partial exposure? There could be mitigating factors. So no slam dunk just because you sue.

Now, if there are many allegations in Bexar County, and worst case scenario, cases within the Spurs organization, then this is a big problem and the Spurs should settle ASAP. The press conference today was the lawyer hoping that more people come forward and if it is an addictive behavior, meaning Primo is having judgment and self control issues, then there will be a lot of women that will come forward. Of course, even that has issues because coming forward also means a chance for a payment and that means there is an incentive to stretch the truth.

But make no mistake, a clinical psychologist is going to be a strong witness against Primo.

[BatManu20]

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[mo7888]

Could you please enlighten us with the basketball reasons why good ol’ B Wright should be fired?

Basketball reasons- Well he guaranteed a contract for the guy after he was aware that he had exposed himself twice... incompetence justifies his firing on its own merit.

[Dverde]

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I have a feeling Shams is off the Spurs Christmas list after this one. I never heard nine times in the presser. That’s much worse if true.

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3 separate situations reported by whom?

With the Dr. in December. In Vegas with someone, presumably hotel staff in June, and again last week in Minnesota with hotel staff.

3 separate events, allegedly with Dr Cauthen it happened 9? times. That's precedent.

[BatManu20]

Statement from Primo’s attorney:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgptFf_XEAAewYU?format=jpg&name=large

[Chinook]

What athe 2nd time (as we know now, though there could be more) in Vegas

We don't know anything about a second time. I do believe it could have happened. I don't remember if Primo was benched or not. But it's important to know not only do we not know, but the accuser doesn't know either. That's their belief from a rumor.

[LkrFan]

I never want to hear about "class" and "Spurs material" anymore. :lol

:corn:

[Chinook]

I have a feeling Shams is off the Spurs Christmas list after this one. I never heard nine times in the presser. That’s much worse if true.

He got that from the written release, not the presser.

[LkrFan]

I have a feeling Shams is off the Spurs Christmas list after this one. I never heard nine times in the presser. That’s much worse if true.

As punishment, Adam Silver should make you guys take Russ off our hands. :lol

[Dverde]

Can we trade Sean Marks for Brian Wrong. Do it RC.

[JeffDuncan]

The Spurs now have some specific questions to answer.

Was there an incident in Las Vegas?

Ditto Minneapolis?

Any others?

When the doctor informed the team of what had happened, whose responsibility was it to do something, and what did they do?

Is it true that Pop was informed?

Why, specifically, was Primo waived?

To list a few.

[mo7888]

As punishment, Adam Silver should make you guys take Russ off our hands. :lol

:rollin

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Basketball reasons- Well he guaranteed a contract for the guy after he was aware that he had exposed himself twice... incompetence justifies his firing on its own merit.

I dont know why others aren't getting this point. This is the ballgame. And youd think at some point Pop and BW discussed his extension and BW must have informed Pop hey just FYI, before we do, this kid likes to show his junk to unsuspecting ladies on the regular. Strains credulity that Pop didnt know.

[JeffDuncan]

As punishment, Adam Silver should make you guys take Russ off our hands. :lol


Sir, I will have you know that cruel and unusual punishment is forbidden under the U.S. Constitution.

[Atl Spur]

W
Basketball reasons- Well he guaranteed a contract for the guy after he was aware that he had exposed himself twice... incompetence justifies his firing on its own merit.

He’s a big boy that can speak for himself. It sounded as if he was alluding to something outside of the Primo stuff…..

[MultiTroll]

But as a lawyer, I can tell you that the therapist will be a good witness and given what we know about Minnesota and Las Vegas, it is almost certain more women will come out, and what is more scary for the Spurs is that there may be more within the organization itself.
She's gonna get cross examined. I wanna hear her reason for allowing it 9 times.
*if it ever goes to trial.


Lots of holes in their story. Especially how they passed along rumors as facts. Apparently there’s a Vegas incident and the Minnny incident. But when pressed for details he said “according to reports from you”. Who? The press? There are no news reports. No police reports. Is Buzbee on spurtalk?


then he went public and asked other "victims" to step up. the problem with this is that there will obviously be false accusers and there will also perhaps be some legitimate ones.
Oh ya this is one HUGE advertisement by Buzbee for more victims thus up his commission.


They'd need other women to step forward IMO and I think Buzbee would have alluded to that if that's something they had in their back pocket but he didn't. Could always change but that didn't seem anywhere as strong as the case against Watson tbh, not even in the same stratosphere.
What $$ amount do you guys figure Buzbee is floating to potential testifiers in SA, Vegas and Minny?
a. Really got flashed
b. fakers who Buzbee will reward handsomely.

[The Truth #6]

1588199862838956038

9 times. Damn.

[SpurSpike]

So Primo was free balling it in his basketball shorts and she could see his pecker at certain angles? Spurs probably laughed it off when she complained but it kept happening?

Spurs let her go because this really seemed quite trivial and she got pissed and sued Primo and the Spurs?

If that's the case, it doesn't seem THAT bad tbh... It may even be hard for her to prove that the exposure was intentional.

[Mugen]

I dont know why others aren't getting this point. This is the ballgame. And youd think at some point Pop and BW discussed his extension and BW must have informed Pop hey just FYI, before we do, this kid likes to show his junk to unsuspecting ladies on the regular. Strains credulity that Pop didnt know.

They could easily spin that they were still doing their own internal investigation and were under a timeline to pick up his option. So they picked it up with the understanding that they would waive him if the investigation/due diligence came up with anything concrete. Could also add that they'd try to recoup money, etc.

I haven't heard a slam dunk on either side tbh

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Statement from Primo’s attorney:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgptFf_XEAAewYU?format=jpg&name=large

lol...wardrobe malfunction...lol

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He got that from the written release, not the presser.

Primo's attorney's statement alludes to Dr Cauthen making the allegation of multiple occasions.

[The Truth #6]

Releasing Primo seems damning. Optics are bad. Brian will likely take the fall. Beyond that I’m totally curious if the spurs are going to have to step outside of their turtle shell and address this, because they totally hate the media, no matter how progressive they sound.

[gospursgojas]

We don't know anything about a second time. I do believe it could have happened. I don't remember if Primo was benched or not. But it's important to know not only do we not know, but the accuser doesn't know either. That's their belief from a rumor.

Primo did miss some of the Vegas summer league games. But again these are just rumors being passed along as fact from Buzbee. When asked about the reports he tried to weirdly say it was from Spurs’ reports and/or (in response to reporter) “you guys”. Who? The press? Bc I never saw one news article about it.

[mo7888]

W

He’s a big boy that can speak for himself. It sounded as if he was alluding to something outside of the Primo stuff…..

He surely can....but I just all the ammo he needed...a cut and paste wins that point right now...

[justinandimcool]

looking a bit similar to the Joe Paterno situation tbh



what a time for the Spurs to be penalized by having draft picks taken away :lol

[timvp]

Statement from Primo’s attorney:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgptFf_XEAAewYU?format=jpg&name=large

Did she really never tell Primo? That'd be weird. At least a "bruh, you need to shift on the couch, I can see lil' josh from this angle."

And no one thought of having Primo sit in a chair instead of on a couch, tbh?

[Dverde]

Statement from Primo’s attorney:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgptFf_XEAAewYU?format=jpg&name=large

Primo about to get victimized more by this hack attorney charging him hundreds of thousands of dollars for his shitty legal services.

[BatManu20]

lol...wardrobe malfunction...lol

9 wardrobe malfunctions*.

[manufan10]

I wonder if this was actually a suspension. Makes you wonder now.


Of course :lol

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[emanueldavidginobili]

Primo did miss some of the Vegas summer league games. But again these are just rumors being passed along as fact from Buzbee. When asked about the reports he tried to weirdly say it was from Spurs’ reports and/or (in response to reporter) “you guys”. Who? The press? Bc I never saw one news article about it.
He got Covid that's why he missed those games.

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She's gonna get cross examined. I wanna hear her reason for allowing it 9 times.
*if it ever goes to trial.




Oh ya this is one HUGE advertisement by Buzbee for more victims thus up his commission.


What $$ amount do you guys figure Buzbee is floating to potential testifiers in SA, Vegas and Minny?
a. Really got flashed
b. fakers who Buzbee will reward handsomely.

Thats not as easy as you think to fake. Security footage of the person making said allegations would have to show they werein the vicinity of Primo and that the timing lines up with when Spurs/Primo were even around. There will be more but my guess is none will be spurious. Remember that as sleezy as Buzbee is, not one allegation was dismissed as fake or spurious in the Watson matter and there were like 36 in total. Point being I'm 100% sure Buzbee wouldn't let his case get destroyed or undermined by just willy nilly adding rando accusers he cant verify.

[JeffDuncan]

The “basketball shorts oopsie” idea is just stupid. It implies;

1). He did not take a shower either after games or after practices.

2). But he removed his jock strap, while keeping his bb shorts on.

Primo is lying.

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Did she really never tell Primo? That'd be weird. At least a "bruh, you need to shift on the couch, I can see lil' josh from this angle."

And no one thought of having Primo sit in a chair instead of on a couch, tbh?

Youre assuming it was something that innocent.

[KingKev]

I blame Canada and hockey culture tbh.

Hopefully heads roll at the PATFO level. Time to get this organization back on track.

[gospursgojas]

We really need to clarify if Shams meant she reported 9 times or there were 9 instances of exposure. Bc from the presser they said he exposed once and she never had another meeting w primo.

[Kori Ellis]

9 times? After the first couple times, you'd think she would have stopped treating him. I am not victim-blaming. I just think it would be unusual to keep seeing him.

His attorney's statement that Josh didn't realize he was flashing her is pretty unbelievable. Even if she didn't mention it at the time it happened, after she reported it to the organization, the Spurs would have talked to him about it.

As for whether Pop knew or not, you could easily see Brian Wright trying to keep Pop out of it. Maybe Primo was released as soon as Pop found out about it. We don't know because there's no real timeline. At this point, the Vegas and Minny rumors are just rumors, right? No accusers?

I'm very surprised the Spurs didn't settle this months ago. Primo isn't worth the reputation-hit of it going public.

[timvp]

I mean, I feel sorry for her and it sounds like she was likely victimized, but Buzbee's press conference was a failure since he had no details of anything else happening regarding Primo and even seemed to reference the Reddit Four Season rumor while trying to make it sound legit until he was pressed on it.

Brian Wright should have known better (the guy is specifically educated in this area). He might lose his job because of this (I haven't heard enough yet to say he should lose his job, though). Obviously, he couldn't waive Primo back in December. After reaching for Primo at 12, imagine if he would have waived him a few months later. That would have been the end of Wright's basketball front office career.

Internally, Wright's probably saying that he kept sending Primo to the mental health expert since Primo was having mental health issues. That's ........ going to be difficult logic to crack and say he should be fired.

[timvp]

Bc from the presser they said he exposed once and she never had another meeting w primo.

That's not what was said in the press conference.

[MultiTroll]

I think the Buzbee shielding Pop thing is probably a strategy to get the case settled for a lot of money.

Spurs can't sit on their hands anymore. If they don't respond, they will lose the PR battle.

But as a lawyer, I can tell you that the therapist will be a good witness and given what we know about Minnesota and Las Vegas, it is almost certain more women will come out, and what is more scary for the Spurs is that there may be more within the organization itself.
Agree.
But would SleazeBee get witnesses who could fake a story close enough to get a settlement?
Spurs legals goes meh with think Suzy Vegas is full of shit but she's willing to go away for 100K, do it Mitch.
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Were any of Watsons accusers shaky and same thing, Rockets just said ah F it give douchebag Buzbee 100K each.