Shams: Spurs Waive Josh Primo

[heyheymymy]

All they do is sit and get drunk and never did their job since 2016
Spurs have sucked since then.

wtf

Spurs were 3 games away from the 2017 NBA Finals before getting Zaza'd

[heyheymymy]

Sorry who from an official Spurs position said boys will be boys about Primo?

ST posters are a whole other story lol

[ducks]

Yeah you’re a fucking genius. Biden taking office is why the spurs are struggling.

You fucking people are a collective mental illness.

Mental illness runs in your family now doesn’t it.

They started sucking when trump took office and pop
Pop lost his wife
Read

[Desert Spur]

For him to flash a Spurs employee took a lot of balls.

[offset formation]

and you think that is good when we just traded our All-Star PG away and are actually trying to tank?

If you read what I post it's absolutely not a good thing if this organization wishes to do more than stay mediocre. But talent development is one thing you can't really knock the Spurs for tbh.

[heyheymymy]

Is Devin Vassell associated with all this? I find it strange he was in street clothes the same time Primo was, or does he really have an injury?

lol "Free P" perhaps aged like milk in the context of the incident

No Primo, DONT FREE P

/bluefont I know it's about a rapper

[offset formation]

For him to flash a Spurs employee took a lot of balls.

ISWYDT

[SpurPadre]

Spurs been had at least one charity case on the roster since 2018

Bruh, way before 2018. Ain't you heard of Jeff Ayres, Matt Bonner and Jack Haley?

[Chomag]

Is Devin Vassell associated with all this? I find it strange he was in street clothes the same time Primo was, or does he really have an injury?I hope not but that's something I have been wondering since the story came out last night as well

Don't players roommate with each other at the hotels? Hopefully he wasn't in the same room when this may have occurred.

[lefty20]

For him to flash a Spurs employee took a lot of balls.

Too soon m8

[K...]

Boys will be boys is not an excuse for bad behavior.

Spurs got too much male sexual behavior issues that have not been addressed over the years.

Prime example are Parker, Udoka and now Primo.

udoka and parker were both consensual sex that made another guy mad. way way way different than what primo did.

[ElNono]

Do find it intersting that he was not put in the HEB commercials. Is that what is takeing so long they had to remove him? Was he never in them? For him bring the face of the franchise I would think he would be in them.

"The popular Spurs-H-E-B commercials will be debuting very soon.
Starring in this year's batch will be Keldon Johnson, Jeremy Sochan, and Devin Vassell. H-E-B will release them throughout the year and fans can watch the videos on H-E-B’s YouTube page and other social media platforms.4

https://www.kens5.com/article/sports/nba/spurs/win-a-pair-of-custom-spurs-themed-h-e-b-sneakers-which-spurs-will-be-featured-in-new-h-e-b-commercials-nba-san-antonio/273-8d79cc4b-30b1-4a79-ba17-b2d1a68f5cd8

They didn’t need to promote sausage…

[heyheymymy]

lol shokou high going out of the basement with the 19th post ever from that account

here to force reframe this as an institutional issue with Spurs Org which really doesn't track but if news does comes out they were pulling shit I will not defend it.

[vy65]

oh wow so explain it to me, the Spurs org was like whoa primo you like pulling it out too? So do we! You're hired!

The Spurs and their new corporate sponsor Self decided that Primo would be Self's new spokesman. Take me through how the call with Self's executives is gonna go on Monday when the Spurs have to explain why the sponsorship deal shouldn't be broken?

[rankingtear]

Everybody who knew this beforehand should be fired tbh.

[vy65]

And yet this one you follow closely is a complete mystery to you.

No part of this is a mystery to me.

[ChumpDumper]

The Spurs and their new corporate sponsor Self decided that Primo would be Self's new spokesman. Take me through how the call with Self's executives is gonna go on Monday when the Spurs have to explain why the sponsorship deal shouldn't be broken?

"We didn't know. We fired him immediately."

If they still want out it goes to the lawyers.

[ChumpDumper]

No part of this is a mystery to me.You just said you didn't know why people haven't been fired for your alleged offenses.

Pick a lane.

[Mal]

What the actual fuck

[GAustex]

What’s worse than this in history?
Robertson?

[BacktoBasics]

So are you ok with the person that attacked Nancy husband because he did not like them

Don’t act like you weren’t thrilled.

Just fucking stop already.

How messed up are you that you come here and spew shit that this collective group has asked you to repeatedly stop doing.

Are you that fixated on being an antagonistic asshole that you just have to come back time and time again to shit all over this place. Takes a monumental level of stupidity for you to continue to post here when literally no wants you here.

The fuck is wrong with your brain.

Can’t image why any of your family members would want to continue living anywhere near you.

[ducks]

Biden mocked for claiming there are ’54 states’: ‘This guy is completely senile’


Sounds like the spurs front office and pop

[heyheymymy]

lol vy are you implying you think officials from Spurs Org are going to atempt to argue that Primo, who has been cut from the team and no longer a member, and is likely under investigation and eligible for criminal charges should somehow REMAIN as an official spokesman to represent the team or it's official sponsors?

[scott]

I'm def now going to be on Sengun watch and that's prob gonna sting at times.

Honestly there isn't anyone drafted after Primo that I'm too upset we didn't draft instead (though granted, anyone still on a roster would be better than him at this point). Sengun isn't that great a player, he's just a guy who fills the stat sheet on a shitty team. He isn't a legit difference maker. Spurs took a home run swing, and missed. But it's not like there are studs who were projected in the range drafted after him out there lighting up the league.

[Mal]

What is "exposing himself" ? He showed a dick to a women, and she did not wanna go further ? That's all ? Flashing a dick gets you waived, but still paid 8 mil ?

[vy65]

You just said you didn't know why people haven't been fired for your alleged offenses.

Pick a lane.

My alleged offenses? Or the actual offenses that lead to the franchise player being released and an ex-employee lawyering up? I've chosen my lane, while you're peppering snarky questions with zero substance.

[ducks]

All Nancy is stone drunk that needs mental
Help

[Chomag]

For a Organization that says they pride on Character and Culture they somehow sure do seem to find themselves in allot of scandals .

[vy65]

"We didn't know. We fired him immediately."

If they still want out it goes to the lawyers.

lol, so it's "we fired him, but you can sue us?" Solid advice.

[BacktoBasics]

Everybody who knew this beforehand should be fired tbh.

According to resident dickweeds the org knew nothing but also knew everything. They failed and then failed all over themselves again. Creating a rip in the fabric of liberal time just to stick a middle finger in the face of Joe Biden. It’s a fucking ducktard conspiracy.

[vy65]

lol vy are you implying you think officials from Spurs Org are going to atempt to argue that Primo, who has been cut from the team and no longer a member, and is likely under investigation and eligible for criminal charges should somehow REMAIN as an official spokesman to represent the team or it's official sponsors?

No, I'm not. Re-read and try again.

[heyheymymy]

Honestly there isn't anyone drafted after Primo that I'm too upset we didn't draft instead (though granted, anyone still on a roster would be better than him at this point). Sengun isn't that great a player, he's just a guy who fills the stat sheet on a shitty team. He isn't a legit difference maker. Spurs took a home run swing, and missed. But it's not like there are studs who were projected in the range drafted after him out there lighting up the league.

I kinda agree. Obvs things can change and guys can take off and become stars but I'm not too upset over Sengun or Duarte, Moody, etc

Will still be tracking them as a big what if, though

[BacktoBasics]

All Nancy is stone drunk that needs mental
Help

Meds are kicking in. You can’t even properly complete a sentence.

Take 3 drinks and an Ambien. You’ll thank me tomorrow.

[ChumpDumper]

My alleged offenses? Or the actual offenses that lead to the franchise player being released and an ex-employee lawyering up? I've chosen my lane, while you're peppering snarky questions with zero substance.So you do know why no one has been fired or do you not?

Give us substance.

[heyheymymy]

Guess that depends on the language of the contract with Self are you privy to those terms?

If there is some aspect of primo's situation the nullifies the sponsorship deal then that will be discussed.

[ducks]

For a Organization that says they pride on Character and Culture they somehow sure do seem to find themselves in allot of scandals .

Liberals

[vy65]

So you do know why no one has been fire or do you not?

Give us substance.

I have, repeatedly. You're welcome to read the posts, they're upthread. There should be a conversation of leadership being fired for this. Whether that happens, and whether people get fired, will speak volumes about where the Spurs organization currently is. This isn't a hard concept that warrants cryptic questions.

[vy65]

Guess that depends on the language of the contract with Self are you privy to those terms?

If there is some aspect of primo's situation the nullifies the sponsorship deal then that will be discussed.

I never said, much less implied, I'd read that contract. Do you think Self won't be asking questions of the Spurs and where they go forward now that their corporate spokesman got shitcanned for flashing his dick? Please explain.

[ChumpDumper]

I have, repeatedly. You're welcome to read the posts, they're upthread. There should be a conversation of leadership being fired for this. Whether that happens, and whether people get fired, will speak volumes about where the Spurs organization currently is. This isn't a hard concept that warrants cryptic questions.Nothing cryptic about my questions.

Rehash your reasons why no one has been fired.

It's a long thread.

[tbdog]

Serious question. When will a team think about signing him.

[ducks]

Tom Orsborn
Tom_orsborn
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8h
Regarding Primo's mental health issue he referred to in ESPN statement, Spurs hired a "performance psychologist" in Sept. 2021 in accordance w/ new league rules pertaining to mental health.

The league also requires teams to retain a licensed psychiatrist to assist when needed

[vy65]

Nothing cryptic about my questions.

Rehash your reasons why no one has been fired.

It's a long thread.

There's plenty that's cryptic about your questions, you just won't cop to it. And whether no one has been fired yet is besides the point to whether someone should be fired. It is a long thread, so try to keep up.

[ducks]

Serious question. When will a team think about signing him.

Lakers will
In California they do not care about prosecuting crime

[heyheymymy]

Self may possibly applaud Spurs Org for handling it immediately and properly. What more can Self expect? Spurs should've had a staffer at the crotch of every player on the roster 24/7 to put any exposed penises back in the pants or the sponsorship deal is off

[PhantomDashCam]

Wow…Terrible for all involved. This figures to be a very challenging time for every one affiliated with Primo, the Spurs etc. Not to mention the real victims in this, the women subjected to this predatory, unconscionable conduct.

In some ways this is worse than expected as it may lead to some really ugly truths about the Spurs…and the potential future of the franchise.

If the latest reports are accurate, I wonder why the Spurs female employee was originally fired to begin with?

Just stunned, like all of us here…

[ChumpDumper]

There's plenty that's cryptic about your questions, you just won't cop to it. And whether no one has been fired yet is besides the point to whether someone should be fired. It is a long thread, so try to keep up.:lol nonanswer

If you don't know just say you don't know.

Don't be cryptic about your ignorance.

[heyheymymy]

who should be fired vy?

I agree with you, if a member of Spurs Org. was in any way complicit or involved in a cover up or encouraged primo to expose himself then they should be fired. Is that what you are saying?

[vy65]

Self may possibly applaud Spurs Org for handling it immediately and properly. What more can Self expect? Spurs should've had a staffer at the crotch of every player on the roster 24/7 to put any exposed penises back in the pants or the sponsorship deal is off

:lmao

"We applaud you shitcanning the spokesman we paid millions for because he flashed his dick to your employees."

[Leetonidas]

Biden mocked for claiming there are ’54 states’: ‘This guy is completely senile’


Sounds like the spurs front office and pop

Shut the fuck up

[MannyIsGod]

Can you two not do your stupid back and forth? Someone might very well get fired over this, we'll see. That insinuation that someone might lose their job over this isn't exactly a hot take so I dont know why ya'll are arguing over it.

[vy65]

:lol nonanswer

If you don't know just say you don't know.

Don't be cryptic about your ignorance.

No, it was an answer. If I don't know who should be fired or will be fired? Post #1226 is specific. Feel free to ask me questions about that. Or you can just intimate more vagureries that I never said. Up to you

[Russ]

Honestly there isn't anyone drafted after Primo that I'm too upset we didn't draft instead (though granted, anyone still on a roster would be better than him at this point). Sengun isn't that great a player, he's just a guy who fills the stat sheet on a shitty team. He isn't a legit difference maker. Spurs took a home run swing, and missed. But it's not like there are studs who were projected in the range drafted after him out there lighting up the league.

To put the whole 2021 draft in perspective, it sucked.

There were were no great options at 12.

I liked Bouknight but he went 11 (and hasn't really sizzled so far anyway).

I liked Kai Jones (who was available at 12) but he hasn't hit. At least not yet.

Sengun looked (and looks) like a high-end role player. Not worth 12.

It was a bad draft and the Spurs made a bad pick.

But usually bad picks are just bad picks -- they don't result in a cascade of legal issues.

[vy65]

Can you two not do your stupid back and forth? Someone might very well get fired over this, we'll see. That insinuation that someone might lose their job over this isn't exactly a hot take so I dont know why ya'll are arguing over it.

Actually, agreed.

[ChumpDumper]

Can you two not do your stupid back and forth? Someone might very well get fired over this, we'll see. That insinuation that someone might lose their job over this isn't exactly a hot take so I dont know why ya'll are arguing over it.

Not really a whole lot else to discuss tbh. Just more speculation.

[Spurs9]

Yeah you’re a fucking genius. Biden taking office is why the spurs are struggling.

You fucking people are a collective mental illness.

Mental illness runs in your family now doesn’t it.
He has to bring politics into every aspect of his life, he probably blames having to cut his grass on someone why it’s growing.

[ducks]

BREAKING: Paul Pelosi 'sounded somewhat confused', referred to attacker as 'friend' during 911 call

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-paul-pelosi-sounded-somewhat-confused-referred-to-attacker-as-friend-during-911-call

He was drunk

[objective]

Trey Murphy has been doing pretty well.

[exstatic]

So much for Spurs character profile assessments

I was thinking that Brian’s penchant for being wowed at the combine doesn’t leave enough time to properly vet players and do background on them, and led to 2 of our 3 absolute whiffs, Sammich and The Mad Flasher..

[ducks]

He has to bring politics into every aspect of his life, he probably blames having to cut his grass on someone why it’s growing.

Doing what pop does

[Russ]

BREAKING: Paul Pelosi 'sounded somewhat confused', referred to attacker as 'friend' during 911 call

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-paul-pelosi-sounded-somewhat-confused-referred-to-attacker-as-friend-during-911-call

He was drunk

In some ways I kinda dig your shit but . . .

Must everything be political with you?

You're talking about a man in his 80's who got hit in the head with a hammer in his own home.

Who are you?

What do you look like?

Do you exist?

[K...]

Serious question. When will a team think about signing him.

a few weeks after they settle the law suits. probably next year and he might have to rehab in a different league. He's only really going to only be camp invite at this rate. He's not good enough to survive without constant coaching. Although who knows maybe this gets him to focus on shooting, strength, and chastity.

[heyheymymy]

I was thinking that Brian’s penchant for being wowed at the combine doesn’t leave enough time to properly vet players and do background on them, and led to 2 of our 3 absolute whiffs, Sammich and The Mad Flasher..

Totally agree and fwiw the 2022 picks seemed to get back to the basics of straight up BPA weighted slightly to team need. Good thing too because it was 3x the opportunity to go wrong. But yeah, seems like the more fancy they got with the gut feeling pick the more it went wrong.

[InRareForm]

People losing sleep not getting sengun, give me a break lol

[baseline bum]

What’s worse than this in history?
Robertson?

The trafficking charge on Alvin was a lie. Though the shit in the 80s and 90s was legit.

[Chomag]

To put the whole 2021 draft in perspective, it sucked.

There were were no great options at 12.

I liked Bouknight but he went 11 (and hasn't really sizzled so far anyway).

I liked Kai Jones (who was available at 12) but he hasn't hit. At least not yet.

Sengun looked (and looks) like a high-end role player. Not worth 12.

It was a bad draft and the Spurs made a bad pick.

But usually bad picks are just bad picks -- they don't result in a cascade of legal issues. Trey Murphy is the 1 that might sting but yeah, I kind of agree on everyone else you had mentioned but it's still early.

[exstatic]

What is "exposing himself" ? He showed a dick to a women, and she did not wanna go further ? That's all ? Flashing a dick gets you waived, but still paid 8 mil ?

It’s considered a sex crime, and a conviction or acceptance of a deal will require him to register as a sex offender wherever he lives for the rest of his life.

[offset formation]

Wow…Terrible for all involved. This figures to be a very challenging time for every one affiliated with Primo, the Spurs etc. Not to mention the real victims in this, the women subjected to this predatory, unconscionable conduct.

In some ways this is worse than expected as it may lead to some really ugly truths about the Spurs…and the potential future of the franchise.

If the latest reports are accurate, I wonder why the Spurs female employee was originally fired to begin with?

Just stunned, like all of us here…

Is it a fact that she was fired or maybe she quit in the wake of this?? If she was fired after making this accusation, then had a corroborating event or events occur (as recently as this weekend) Spurs are toast.

Surely she just quit. But if there were "multiple" prior accusations and little to meaningless punishment was doled out until this last weekend, I could see the entirety of PATFO gone.

We'll just have to wait for more details.

[BacktoBasics]

In some ways I kinda dig your shit but . . .

Must everything be political with you?

You're talking about a man in his 80's who got hit in the head with a hammer in his own home.

Who are you?

What do you look like?

Do you exist?
He’s an insufferable pathetic cunt and no one deserves to be beaten with a hammer more than that asshole.

[benefactor]

BREAKING: Paul Pelosi 'sounded somewhat confused', referred to attacker as 'friend' during 911 call

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-paul-pelosi-sounded-somewhat-confused-referred-to-attacker-as-friend-during-911-call

He was drunk
Would you stop with this shit you fucking retard? Shut the fuck up. Take this shit back down to the Political Forum. Talk about Primo or don't fucking post at all.

[Ice009]

The trafficking charge on Alvin was a lie. Though the shit in the 80s and 90s was legit.

What is the stuff that Alvin was alleged to have done? So the trafficking this is BS?

As for Primo, can't freaking believe this crap. I didn't want him in the first place and it's now become a completely wasted draft pick. What a terrible outcome for the Spurs. Went to watch the game last night as I couldn't watch it live and had to rewind the video when I thought I heard Bill say he was waived. Fucking crazy.

[Leetonidas]

BREAKING: Paul Pelosi 'sounded somewhat confused', referred to attacker as 'friend' during 911 call

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-paul-pelosi-sounded-somewhat-confused-referred-to-attacker-as-friend-during-911-call

He was drunk

You're allowed to be drunk at your own home dipshit. Tf does this have to do with the topic. Fuck off

[exstatic]

Totally agree and fwiw the 2022 picks seemed to get back to the basics of straight up BPA weighted slightly to team need. Good thing too because it was 3x the opportunity to go wrong. But yeah, seems like the more fancy they got with the gut feeling pick the more it went wrong.

At the time, I wasn’t happy that we kept all three picks. I am now.

[Chomag]

Well hopefully the organization is not involved in anyway or else there can be more then just some people getting fired, we might not even have a pick this upcoming draft if the league gets involved.

[GAustex]

The trafficking charge on Alvin was a lie. Though the shit in the 80s and 90s was legit.
So this is arguably the worst issue for the Spurs in their history?

[offset formation]

Ha. This thread is proof we're headed to civil unrest sooner than later.

[baseline bum]

What is the stuff that Alvin was alleged to have done? So the trafficking this is BS?

As for Primo, can't freaking believe this crap. I didn't want him in the first place and it's now become a completely wasted draft pick. What a terrible outcome for the Spurs. Went to watch the game last night as I couldn't watch it live and had to rewind the video when I thought I heard Bill say he was waived. Fucking crazy.

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Ex-Spurs-player-Robertson-exonerated-of-all-6665830.php

Pretty sad because Alvin had seemed to have gotten his life together only to have it ripped apart again by a bullshit charge. A charge that cost him a good chunk of money because it killed a deal he had with another former Arkansas player for a basketball video they were making, I think sponsored by Walmart or something. Obviously they walked away from it when the charge was levied at Alvin.

[ducks]

You're allowed to be drunk at your own home dipshit. Tf does this have to do with the topic. Fuck off

Even if it means exposing yourself to minors in your home ?
Josh wants to know

[slick'81]

Im all for firing brian wright just because hes a mediocre to bad gm

[mystargtr34]

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0283/1594/3021/products/04022_1200x.png?v=1663891936

[baseline bum]

So this is arguably the worst issue for the Spurs in their history?

Well Alvin did break into his GF's home in San Antonio multiple times if I remember right. I think some of them were after he was already off the team (and maybe out of the league), but there was some shit between him and the GF before the Spurs traded him. David Wingate was accused of rape, don't know if it was when he was on the team though.

[baseline bum]

People losing sleep not getting sengun, give me a break lol

Sengun would be a quality rotation player instead of someone that allegedly sexually assaulted a woman and is going to cost the team a multimillion dollar settlement, so the Spurs fucked up pretty big passing on him for the pervert.

[Arcadian]

I hope he did it like this:


https://youtu.be/RddW8ky0I3Q

[Leetonidas]

Even if it means exposing yourself to minors in your home ?
Josh wants to know

Incoherent babbling. You want pointers on exposing yourself to minors or what

[CGD]

At the time, I wasn’t happy that we kept all three picks. I am now.

My thoughts exactly

[mystargtr34]

Sengun would be a quality rotation player instead of someone that's going to cost the team a multimillion dollar settlement, so the Spurs fucked up pretty big passing on him for the pervert.

Agree, basically anyone would have been a better pick than the flasher knowing what we know now, but with Sengun it would be an awkward fit with him and an established C like Poeltl needing 30 minutes a night. Sengun could play 4 but man, he's slow. Play him at the 5 and you give up a lot of rim protection.

I can see Sengun developing into a Sabonis type though if he pans out, great offensively as a scorer, passer, screener. Will probably give up the same amount on the other end.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Wonder if he was lying to his girlfriend about the situation and why he got waived. This morning she switched her profile picture from a picture of just her to a picture of them two, and then the news hits and she removed her photo completely. Pretty crazy Pop was raving about this kids maturity and how he is wise beyond his years and what not and this kid turned out to be an absolute freak lol.

[sananspursfan21]

So, there’s some of Primo that the fans haven’t seen after all….

(please see the innuendo, please see the innuendo)

[heyheymymy]

Lol H-E-B burning the tape on that primo creamy creations commercial they were about to air.

[NASpurs]

Is HEB going to rebrand their Primo Picks to Primo's Prick?

[sananspursfan21]

This really sucks though that two of the Spurs higher picks in recent years (Primo and Samanic) have not even made it two seasons with the team before getting cut loose. I can’t complain with how this season has otherwise started, but is the FO character detectors busted??? This is unprecedented.

[NASpurs]

Lol H-E-B burning the tape on that primo creamy creations commercial they were about to air.

:lol primo creamy creations :jack

[ElNono]

Hopefully PATFO avoids picking the sexual predator in the next draft, tbh

[CGD]

In some ways I kinda dig your shit but . . .

Must everything be political with you?

You're talking about a man in his 80's who got hit in the head with a hammer in his own home.

Who are you?

What do you look like?

Do you exist?

Clearly, from the terrible use of the English language one can only conclude that the poster sits on the 2nd floor of a Russian troll farm in a small town in Tajikistan. There are literally floors of people at troll farms like these across Russia whose job is to infiltrate popular culture websites like this one to deepen hate and distrust in America.

Just do as the rest of us, and don’t engage. Eventually they get tired.

[CGD]

Lol H-E-B burning the tape on that primo creamy creations commercial they were about to air.

Sorry, but this is hilarious

[ElNono]

I mean if his NBA career is over, there’s always priesthood…

[heyheymymy]

All jokes aside it's time to discuss women's rights and the medieval treatment women receive from men.

Please consider the terror of unwanted advances and the filth of being forced to look at unsolicited junk.

Raise your hand guys if you're totally down for some guys gross ass junk in your face no fair is fair you'd be furious too.

Now consider the physical threat of having your exit blocked unless you acquiesce to rapey demands. What's next? Does this escalate? Will I be assaulted?

Now thing of the bullshit stigma of being a victim of this.

Now think of the social hostage situation if it's a basketball player who can use his affluence to coerce you. If you rat you lose your job, you get called names, people hunt you on media like your need for personal safety and autonomy to your body from rape cost a fan a basketball player instead of acknowledging that you are a victim.

It's bullshit and guys we are better than this.

Keep your hands to yourself.

Keep your dick in your pants.

Value and achieve true consent for physical contact.

[Russ]

I mean if his NBA career is over, there’s always priesthood…

:lol

[SpurPadre]

Of course I feel bad for any female employee that had to put up with this from Primo but I really hope it wasn't Becky.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

https://i.imgflip.com/6ytwl0.jpg

[baseline bum]

I mean if his NBA career is over, there’s always priesthood…

Would be a poor fit, as no indication he likes 9 year-olds.

[Rummpd]

All jokes aside it's time to discuss women's rights and the medieval treatment women receive from men.

Please consider the terror of unwanted advances and the filth of being forced to look at unsolicited junk.

Raise your hand guys if you're totally down for some guys gross ass junk in your face no fair is fair you'd be furious too.

Now consider the physical threat of having your exit blocked unless you acquiesce to rapey demands. What's next? Does this escalate? Will I be assaulted?

Now thing of the bullshit stigma of being a victim of this.

Now think of the social hostage situation if it's a basketball player who can use his affluence to coerce you. If you rat you lose your job, you get called names, people hunt you on media like your need for personal safety and autonomy to your body from rape cost a fan a basketball player instead of acknowledging that you are a victim.

It's bullshit and guys we are better than this.

Keep your hands to yourself.

Keep your dick in your pants.

Value and achieve true consent for physical contact.


I am a doctor who has worked with sexual and child abuse victims and there is some good truth in this post.


As for Primo this must have been really bad allegations or proof of a serial nature. It suggests as the young man said himself some mental health problem even if he was not forthright about them. After all is said and done it probably for the best he is gone, and I hope the young man gets the best available help. He might well face civil or criminal charges as things evolve. It will be interesting to see if he is ever given a chance to play again. Perhaps oversees at some point but one never knows some NBA team might take a chance but I think it unlikely or at least I hope so. As for the front office they need to really reset things as they have not done well with several situations last few year.

[Ariel]

All jokes aside it's time to discuss women's rights and the medieval treatment women receive from men.

Please consider the terror of unwanted advances and the filth of being forced to look at unsolicited junk.

Raise your hand guys if you're totally down for some guys gross ass junk in your face no fair is fair you'd be furious too.

Now consider the physical threat of having your exit blocked unless you acquiesce to rapey demands. What's next? Does this escalate? Will I be assaulted?

Now thing of the bullshit stigma of being a victim of this.

Now think of the social hostage situation if it's a basketball player who can use his affluence to coerce you. If you rat you lose your job, you get called names, people hunt you on media like your need for personal safety and autonomy to your body from rape cost a fan a basketball player instead of acknowledging that you are a victim.

It's bullshit and guys we are better than this.

Keep your hands to yourself.

Keep your dick in your pants.

Value and achieve true consent for physical contact.
The problem with such advice is: those who need it don't care for it. And those who care for it don't need it.

[lefty]

I’m just glad we’re making headlines again

[Jordan Jackson]

Of course they choose a sexual predator with their 1st rd pick.

Depending on how this season goes - it might be time to clean house. Whole organization needs a fresh start.

Heart goes out to all victims involved.

[ChumpDumper]

Of course they choose a sexual predator with their 1st rd pick.

Depending on how this season goes - it might be time to clean house. Whole organization needs a fresh start.So your moral stance on the continued employment of everyone in the Spurs org depends on this season's record?

[blizz]

All jokes aside it's time to discuss women's rights and the medieval treatment women receive from men.

Please consider the terror of unwanted advances and the filth of being forced to look at unsolicited junk.

Raise your hand guys if you're totally down for some guys gross ass junk in your face no fair is fair you'd be furious too.

Now consider the physical threat of having your exit blocked unless you acquiesce to rapey demands. What's next? Does this escalate? Will I be assaulted?

Now thing of the bullshit stigma of being a victim of this.

Now think of the social hostage situation if it's a basketball player who can use his affluence to coerce you. If you rat you lose your job, you get called names, people hunt you on media like your need for personal safety and autonomy to your body from rape cost a fan a basketball player instead of acknowledging that you are a victim.

It's bullshit and guys we are better than this.

Keep your hands to yourself.

Keep your dick in your pants.

Value and achieve true consent for physical contact.

Right because that’s what happened here. 🙄. Dude got caught and was cut. Also don’t lump us all in this shit due to the shitty actions of one person. And women’s rights? What are you talking about? Since when do they not have rights?

[210baller]

For a Organization that says they pride on Character and Culture they somehow sure do seem to find themselves in allot of scandals .

Well that would be a reason to say what they say then.

[heyheymymy]

Right because that’s what happened here. . Dude got caught and was cut. Also don’t lump us all in this shit due to the shitty actions of one person. And women’s rights? What are you talking about? Since when do they not have rights?

have you read a newspaper in the last 6 months?

[blizz]

have you read a newspaper in the last 6 months?

Have you read anything that didn’t come from cnn or msnbc or the rest of the msm? You’re going to have to give examples rather than hyperbole. You’re alluding to women not having rights. That’s just bullshit.

[PhantomDashCam]

Is it a fact that she was fired or maybe she quit in the wake of this?? If she was fired after making this accusation, then had a corroborating event or events occur (as recently as this weekend) Spurs are toast.

Surely she just quit. But if there were "multiple" prior accusations and little to meaningless punishment was doled out until this last weekend, I could see the entirety of PATFO gone.

We'll just have to wait for more details.

It may very well be unrelated and I’m not implying the connection but I would think it will be looked into, undoubtedly.

Then you look at what has transpired in Boston with Ime (again not implying, seemingly unrelated), Becky leaving to take another job (ditto)…
Not putting on my conspiracy theory hat, but if feels like the Spurs are in some deep mess here.
In a court of public opinion, the damage to the brand, it’s funding - the damage and difference may be irreconcilable.

[offset formation]

Have you read anything that didn’t come from cnn or msnbc or the rest of the msm? You’re going to have to give examples rather than hyperbole. You’re alluding to women not having rights. That’s just bullshit.

Jesus man, have you heard anything about a right women had for 50 years being removed by a court paid for and selected by the Federalist Society? Five of whom were selected by a president that lost the popular vote?

You boys in red hats would be storming the capitol -- oh wait bad example -- if Democrats were passing laws like that. Conservatives / Republicans are crybaby assholes with warped versions of reality and it's never going to get better because you guys are gullible fools as evidenced by your comment above. CNN and MSNBC while left leaning to some extent, don't feed daily propaganda to the zombie class and wind them up like toy soldiers.

[offset formation]

It may very well be unrelated and I’m not implying the connection but I would think it will be looked into, undoubtedly.

Then you look at what has transpired in Boston with Ime (again not implying, seemingly unrelated), Becky leaving to take another job (ditto)…
Not putting on my conspiracy theory hat, but if feels like the Spurs are in some deep mess here.
In a court of public opinion, the damage to the brand, it’s funding - the damage and difference may be irreconcilable.

Can't imagine it's Becky. She had Pop in her team's dressing room giving a pep talk while they were in the WNBA finals.

But youre right, if there's any evidence whatsoever that PATFO was informed about this and further incidents continued to happen, a "deep mess" will eventually hit the fan.

[blizz]

All this is ”alleged”. If true then it’s abhorrent BUT what if it’s a girl that thought she was the one but once he stuck with his woman she decided to pull this shit. We already know we can’t fall for the “me too” believe all women shit. Why can’t the kid have his day in court? Pop is so woke he would believe all women and take it too far.

[offset formation]

All this is ”alleged”. If true then it’s abhorrent BUT what if it’s a girl that thought she was the one but once he stuck with his woman she decided to pull this shit. We already know we can’t fall for the “me too” believe all women shit. Why can’t the kid have his day in court? Pop is so woke he would believe all women and take it too far.

Get bent.

[heyheymymy]

Thanks offset

Not to mention the situation in Iran right now.

So there it is. Examples domestic and abroad.

Wake up blizz, is this your world? Women are not free. Sorry if mentioning that angers you?

[blizz]

Jesus man, have you heard anything about a right women had for 50 years being removed by a court paid for and selected by the Federalist Society? Five of whom were selected by a president that lost the popular vote?

You boys in red hats would be storming the capitol -- oh wait bad example -- if Democrats were passing laws like that. Conservatives / Republicans are crybaby assholes with warped versions of reality and it's never going to get better because you guys are gullible fools as evidenced by your comment above. CNN and MSNBC while left leaning to some extent, don't feed daily propaganda to the zombie class and wind them up like toy soldiers.

Calm down karen. You know nothing about me. It’s easy and convenient for you to paint me with a certain brush which is what you libtards seem to do with reckless abandon because it gives you an easy out and you don’t have to think or try to understand anyone. Again. Women HAVE rights. Nothing about this alleged scenario says they don’t. The fact that this kid lost his career over an allegation proves as much.

[blizz]

Thanks offset

Not to mention the situation in Iran right now.

So there it is. Examples domestic and abroad.

Wake up blizz, is this your world? Women are not free. Sorry if mentioning that angers you?
Lol. You’re a moron. They aren’t free? Seriously? What are women not free to do in this country?

[heyheymymy]

All this is ”alleged”. If true then it’s abhorrent BUT what if it’s a girl that thought she was the one but once he stuck with his woman she decided to pull this shit. We already know we can’t fall for the “me too” believe all women shit. Why can’t the kid have his day in court? Pop is so woke he would believe all women and take it too far.

man I actually agree with you

that does happen sometimes and if the girl is misrepresenting this claim that's obviously a grave offense and no one should support that.

if it come out these are false allegations from the woman or women victims involved I will not vouch for the victims, naturally.

At this point that ship has sailed, the team wouldn't possibly toss money reputation and the #12 pick on flimsy investigations though I guess it's possible and then if so would objectively reflect poorly on the franchise.

[heyheymymy]

Lol. You’re a moron. They aren’t free? Seriously? What are women not free to do in this country?

um not die from complicated pregnancy

[heyheymymy]

or earn the same wages as their male counterpart, got links for that as well upon request.

[offset formation]

Lol. You’re a moron. They aren’t free? Seriously? What are women not free to do in this country?

FOR STARTERS...Not carry their daddy's baby to term AS A 13 YEAR OLD. Or get sued for $10,000 by their rapist for aborting the pregnancy..

Good enough for ya chief? Or are those not of your concern?

[vy65]

If you're newly minted with approximately 8 million, and the only thing that gets your rocks off is flashing your dick to some rando Minneapolis Hilton Garden Inn housekeeper ... that's a serious fucking social dysfunction. You only miss that Dexter-tier social dysfunction if you're a downs-syndrome suffering diversity hire GM. The narrative of this whole situation being unbeknownst to the Spurs strains credulity

[heyheymymy]

pal if you keep saying buzzwords like msm and libtard then we are gonna paint you with that brush.

[blizz]

pal if you keep saying buzzwords like msm and libtard then we are gonna paint you with that brush.

Pal if you act like that’s where you get your news and act like one then I’m going to use those buzzwords.

[baseline bum]

All this is ”alleged”. If true then it’s abhorrent BUT what if it’s a girl that thought she was the one but once he stuck with his woman she decided to pull this shit. We already know we can’t fall for the “me too” believe all women shit. Why can’t the kid have his day in court? Pop is so woke he would believe all women and take it too far.

LOL Primo trying to pretend this was about mental health instead of saying he was innocent.

[mystargtr34]

Its obvious there's evidence that he's guilty (multiple victims is basically evidence) otherwise he could have just played the innocent/consensual card in court.

[heyheymymy]

fair enough blizz guess the entire world all got together and put this ruse on just to fool you but you were too sly to fall for it. It's actually millions of women in Iran and the US victims of the SCOTUS ruling trying to lie to you. They were all in on it, with the MSM and libtards.

mr worldwide sourcelord with the finger on the pulse of truth wow you figured it all out on em

hope you're ready to dig in because people will probably challenge you on this position for the rest of your life. You are denying reality for a cult.

[heyheymymy]

lol "how do we know the girl didn't make it up"

well primo has 8mm to throw at a legal fight to clear his name so let's see if that happens because as of right now he just vanished and blamed his prior trauma.

again if he is innocent I support him and will genuinely listen to the arguments.

[ChumpDumper]

All this is ”alleged”. If true then it’s abhorrent BUT what if it’s a girl that thought she was the one but once he stuck with his woman she decided to pull this shit. We already know we can’t fall for the “me too” believe all women shit. Why can’t the kid have his day in court? Pop is so woke he would believe all women and take it too far.

I'm hypothetically outraged.

[Chinook]

It's hard to pin down what the Spurs know. It seems like the Four Seasons incident is what spurred the discipline rather than the lawsuit. I guess we don't know for sure that the hotel situation even happened. If they were trying to get out ahead of the lawsuit, it is a huge mark against the team. I don't actually think the team had the responsibility to fire Primo immediately upon hearing the first allegation. While you can take it seriously, you can't assume guilt no matter how much folks are pushing for that.

I hope the Four Seasons canon is true, and upon hearing the first allegation, the Spurs did their investigation and then fired him upon finding more evidence. It wouldn't be that impossible to believe Primo had hidden it from the team given they didn't seem to know about this when they drafted him. We may well find out that Primo has been doing this for a while and either kept getting lucky with targets or was sociopathically skilled at picking them. Pop's original quote suggested Primo might be able to come back into fold, which is hard to imagine if the Spurs knew the full extent of Primo's allegations or especially the legal situation Primo found himself in. It feels like the Spurs may have heard the first allegation but, still protected Primo came up with the spasming-butt thing and checked it out, and when they found another allegation, they cut him. After hearing what he had to say, they still released him, but they softened their stance to leave the door open for him to return or at least to endorse him finding another opportunity in the NBA. Then they got a fuller picture of what happened and realized they had to completely drop him and expunge him in hopes of mitigating their legal liability.

That's a possibility I want to believe, but there's also the idea that they heard about Primo's nature during their pre-draft investigation but chalked it up to "boys will be boys" and otherwise downplayed the issue and/or assumed their culture could smooth him out or at least keep him in check. Then while they tried to provide him with help and discipline, they also didn't continue to make sure nothing happened. That's a situation where even if they heard of something, they hid behind the "innocent until proven guilty" logic to not truly intervene. Then only after an employee who quit because she wasn't taken seriously retained a lawyer did the team react. They originally just deactivated Primo ala Watson and considered letting things blow over, but then after hearing about the hotel incident leaking, they decided to try to get ahead of everything and fire Primo in hopes their silence, quick action and generous settlements can keep prying eyes away.

I don't want to believe in that second scenario or believe the truth is closer to that than the first. I don't think the front office can survive that, and I don't think I'd want them to. It'd suck for Pop's legacy. Even if he didn't know, it'd be an open question if he only didn't know because he didn't WANT to know. He wouldn't be the first person to say or even to believe in a lot of progressive things while still holding or allowing some regressive ideas. I don't believe that's true, but I'm also not going to get caught up in whether Pop "looks like someone who'd do that". The speculation is wildfire that destroys goodwill and characters. I'd understand the Spurs' impulse to keep all of this under wraps. because in a world where these are just allegations without confession or concrete evidence, the damage to Primo would be immense and slow to ebb. But if they did so, the consequences are going to be immense. The team is almost certainly going to be sued over this regardless. If they don't, it's only because the victim personally doesn't want to. Primo doesn't have a ton of money in comparison to someone like Watson. The Spurs are a bigger fish, and they'll very likely not fight the suit if they can get a reasonable settlement. Unless this staffer just quit out of a conflict of interest or whatever, her being an ex-employee is really going to hurt SA in the court of public opinion. It's going to be really hard to convince the public that they didn't know at least some of what happened. It'd be completely impossible if they had kept him to trade like some argued for.

[DrSteffo]

If misogynist types like blizz would rule your society you would be 200-3000 years behind the civilized world in terms of social development (just like Iran), but I'm happy that instead sexual abuse is actually reported and not tolerated. Seems to me the Spurs did what they had to do. I just hope they didn't try to cover up anything earlier.

[blizz]

I'm hypothetically outraged.

Ok that legit made me lol. I like you.

[blizz]

If misogynist types like blizz would rule your society you would be 200-3000 years behind the civilized world in terms of social development (just like Iran), but I'm happy that instead sexual abuse is actually reported and not tolerated. Seems to me the Spurs did what they had to do. I just hope they didn't try to cover up anything earlier.

You’re funny. I’m literally advocating for due process and you’re taking it to the extreme.

[blizz]

lol "how do we know the girl didn't make it up"

well primo has 8mm to throw at a legal fight to clear his name so let's see if that happens because as of right now he just vanished and blamed his prior trauma.

again if he is innocent I support him and will genuinely listen to the arguments.

That’s all I am saying bro. We have been burned with the believe all women and the me too movement. I’m just saying let’s let it all come out. Just because the spurs did this doesn’t mean it’s all true. The spurs are ultra woke so they would subscribe to the believe all women thing just in case. Let’s let this play out. From my stand point why would he do these alleged things KNOWING that he’s a high profile athlete and the trouble he could be in? It screams of a woman scorned thing but I’d be the first to eat crow if I’m wrong. This isn’t and didn’t have to get political.

[heyheymymy]

That’s all I am saying bro. We have been burned with the believe all women and the me too movement. I’m just saying let’s let it all come out. Just because the spurs did this doesn’t mean it’s all true. The spurs are ultra woke so they would subscribe to the believe all women thing just in case. Let’s let this play out. From my stand point why would he do these alleged things KNOWING that he’s a high profile athlete and the trouble he could be in? It screams of a woman scorned thing but I’d be the first to eat crow if I’m wrong. This isn’t and didn’t have to get political.

That's reasonable and I agree. To be fair the story might have a few twists and turns still yet. If Primo's accuser has creditability issues I want to hear that for sure and would honor it on its merit. If the franchise swept this under the rug then I can't support that either and would expect changes. If Primo has a case I support him fully having his day in court and will listen genuinely to the arguments presented.

Love Pop and the club but can't support coverups. I also can't deny that you're right, good point, there's always two sides to every story and false accusations from the woman is still a slim possibility here. I'd hope SA did diligence but maybe the quick pace of the developments caused them to rush a decision for the sake of appearances. Time will tell and I will change my tune if it comes out there's been some mishandling of this in any nefarious manner by any party.

[heyheymymy]

solid take Chinook appreciate your thoughts

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

This Primo thing has ‘exposed’ more about some ST posters than about him, tbh.

[blizz]

That's reasonable and I agree. To be fair the story might have a few twists and turns still yet. If Primo's accuser has creditability issues I want to hear that for sure and would honor it on its merit. If the franchise swept this under the rug then I can't support that either and would expect changes. If Primo has a case I support him fully having his day in court and will listen genuinely to the arguments presented.

Love Pop and the club but can't support coverups. I also can't deny that you're right, good point, there's always two sides to every story and false accusations from the woman is still a slim possibility here. I'd hope SA did diligence but maybe the quick pace of the developments caused them to rush a decision for the sake of appearances. Time will tell and I will change my tune if it comes out there's been some mishandling of this in any nefarious manner by any party.
Now that’s what I call a solid take based facts and some conjecture. I love the discourse and am seriously over the moon that you’re considering a different point of view if not a different conclusion. This is what discussion is supposed to be. Props to you my friend for listening and considering a different opinion. Take care buddy.

[blizz]

It's hard to pin down what the Spurs know. It seems like the Four Seasons incident is what spurred the discipline rather than the lawsuit. I guess we don't know for sure that the hotel situation even happened. If they were trying to get out ahead of the lawsuit, it is a huge mark against the team. I don't actually think the team had the responsibility to fire Primo immediately upon hearing the first allegation. While you can take it seriously, you can't assume guilt no matter how much folks are pushing for that.

I hope the Four Seasons canon is true, and upon hearing the first allegation, the Spurs did their investigation and then fired him upon finding more evidence. It wouldn't be that impossible to believe Primo had hidden it from the team given they didn't seem to know about this when they drafted him. We may well find out that Primo has been doing this for a while and either kept getting lucky with targets or was sociopathically skilled at picking them. Pop's original quote suggested Primo might be able to come back into fold, which is hard to imagine if the Spurs knew the full extent of Primo's allegations or especially the legal situation Primo found himself in. It feels like the Spurs may have heard the first allegation but, still protected Primo came up with the spasming-butt thing and checked it out, and when they found another allegation, they cut him. After hearing what he had to say, they still released him, but they softened their stance to leave the door open for him to return or at least to endorse him finding another opportunity in the NBA. Then they got a fuller picture of what happened and realized they had to completely drop him and expunge him in hopes of mitigating their legal liability.

That's a possibility I want to believe, but there's also the idea that they heard about Primo's nature during their pre-draft investigation but chalked it up to "boys will be boys" and otherwise downplayed the issue and/or assumed their culture could smooth him out or at least keep him in check. Then while they tried to provide him with help and discipline, they also didn't continue to make sure nothing happened. That's a situation where even if they heard of something, they hid behind the "innocent until proven guilty" logic to not truly intervene. Then only after an employee who quit because she wasn't taken seriously retained a lawyer did the team react. They originally just deactivated Primo ala Watson and considered letting things blow over, but then after hearing about the hotel incident leaking, they decided to try to get ahead of everything and fire Primo in hopes their silence, quick action and generous settlements can keep prying eyes away.

I don't want to believe in that second scenario or believe the truth is closer to that than the first. I don't think the front office can survive that, and I don't think I'd want them to. It'd suck for Pop's legacy. Even if he didn't know, it'd be an open question if he only didn't know because he didn't WANT to know. He wouldn't be the first person to say or even to believe in a lot of progressive things while still holding or allowing some regressive ideas. I don't believe that's true, but I'm also not going to get caught up in whether Pop "looks like someone who'd do that". The speculation is wildfire that destroys goodwill and characters. I'd understand the Spurs' impulse to keep all of this under wraps. because in a world where these are just allegations without confession or concrete evidence, the damage to Primo would be immense and slow to ebb. But if they did so, the consequences are going to be immense. The team is almost certainly going to be sued over this regardless. If they don't, it's only because the victim personally doesn't want to. Primo doesn't have a ton of money in comparison to someone like Watson. The Spurs are a bigger fish, and they'll very likely not fight the suit if they can get a reasonable settlement. Unless this staffer just quit out of a conflict of interest or whatever, her being an ex-employee is really going to hurt SA in the court of public opinion. It's going to be really hard to convince the public that they didn't know at least some of what happened. It'd be completely impossible if they had kept him to trade like some argued for.

Nice job sir. I just can’t help thinking with the current climate they just wanted to get so far ahead of this regardless of whether it’s all true or not. Let’s not just rush to judgement. There HAVE been gold diggers out there that have preyed upon young guys. All accounts say that he was a bright kid. Why would he do this knowing that he’s get F’d? Sounds like a consensual thing that went sideways and she then went rougue id you will.

[LeBowen]

Does NBA only attract fucking morons? Like they've got hoes lining up everywhere they go and this retard flashes housekeeping and staff members? Just castrate the moron.

12th pick and more reputation down the drain, as if all the shit that happened over the past years wasn't enough.

Can't wait for Lakers to pick him up, lmao.

[mystargtr34]

Is the Minnesota hotel thing confirmed? I thought that was still a reddit thing and only the Spurs internal employee was confirmed ?

I’m losing track tbh.

[Mal]

It’s considered a sex crime, and a conviction or acceptance of a deal will require him to register as a sex offender wherever he lives for the rest of his life.

Ohh, so this is that serious. I thought it was like Deshaun Watson, who paid out way of similar situation

[RC_Drunkford]

what's critical is that it is a FORMER employee. Meaning that had to happen before the Minnesota incident. Also Drew Eubanks' wife posted something saying "Believe victims the first time". So it could be the case that this got reported, the Spurs questioned both sides and believed whatever story Primo told them. That could get ugly in hindsight

[LeBowen]

what's critical is that it is a FORMER employee. Meaning that had to happen before the Minnesota incident. Also Drew Eubanks' wife posted something saying "Believe victims the first time". So it could be the case that this got reported, the Spurs questioned both sides and believed whatever story Primo told them. That could get ugly in hindsight

Especially if she quit because of the incident.
Even if she didn't, she can play that card.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://i.redd.it/xy0a9661huw91.jpg

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs should‘ve taken a closer look at his signature :lmao

[cjw]

Its obvious there's evidence that he's guilty (multiple victims is basically evidence) otherwise he could have just played the innocent/consensual card in court.

The smartest thing he can do at his point is use his money to get a civil settlement and avoid criminal charges. Watson style. Because a criminal record means he won’t get a visa to work overseas. Heck, he still might not.

Hope he saved up those three years of pay (could be less if the Spurs to after him) because he’s going to have to get a non-basketball job. And that doesn’t include coaching … no school will hire him.

[cjw]

Does NBA only attract fucking morons? Like they've got hoes lining up everywhere they go and this retard flashes housekeeping and staff members? Just castrate the moron.

12th pick and more reputation down the drain, as if all the shit that happened over the past years wasn't enough.

Can't wait for Lakers to pick him up, lmao.

I mean, they have a history of not caring about the word of a woman

[Big Empty]

Spurs should‘ve taken a closer look at his signature :lmao
Ha Ha Ha!!! I posted this on my FB

[CGD]

The smartest thing he can do at his point is use his money to get a civil settlement and avoid criminal charges. Watson style. Because a criminal record means he won’t get a visa to work overseas. Heck, he still might not.

Hope he saved up those three years of pay (could be less if the Spurs to after him) because he’s going to have to get a non-basketball job. And that doesn’t include coaching … no school will hire him.

It’s actually an important point about visa issues. Isn’t he a Canadian National? If he picks up a conviction here, he may well have his current work visa revoked.

[exstatic]

Wonder if he was lying to his girlfriend about the situation and why he got waived. This morning she switched her profile picture from a picture of just her to a picture of them two, and then the news hits and she removed her photo completely. Pretty crazy Pop was raving about this kids maturity and how he is wise beyond his years and what not and this kid turned out to be an absolute freak lol.

On the court. Different thing altogether.

[exstatic]

This really sucks though that two of the Spurs higher picks in recent years (Primo and Samanic) have not even made it two seasons with the team before getting cut loose. I can’t complain with how this season has otherwise started, but is the FO character detectors busted??? This is unprecedented.

Both of those guys were combine finds. There isn’t time to vet or do background on guys like that, so they probably should focus on players they scout, long term.

[CGD]

Both of those guys were combine finds. There isn’t time to vet or do background on guys like that, so they probably should focus on players they scout, long term.

Luka was the 19th pick guys. The chances of those picks busting are really high statistically. Not an apples to apples comp.

In 2021, sure I get the Sengun takes, but people are getting a little carried away too (4 more teams passed on him after us too). His best case is Vuc, but like Vuc today he’ll struggle to carve out a role in the modern nba.

[JakeCuenca]

No more stupid Diversity hires!!!

fucking Brian Wrong would be flipping burgers if he didn’t diversity hire himself to GM position.

[LeBowen]

Luka was the 19th pick guys. The chances of those picks busting are really high statistically. Not an apples to apples comp.

In 2021, sure I get the Sengun takes, but people are getting a little carried away too (4 more teams passed on him after us too). His best case is Vuc, but like Vuc today he’ll struggle to carve out a role in the modern nba.

Yeah, can't say that we missed out on a potential all-star by picking Primo.
Sengun is basically Kanter 2.0, probably even worse on defense.

[exstatic]

Right because that’s what happened here. 🙄. Dude got caught and was cut. Also don’t lump us all in this shit due to the shitty actions of one person. And women’s rights? What are you talking about? Since when do they not have rights?

While these are the actions of one person, it’s not just one person.

[exstatic]

All this is ”alleged”. If true then it’s abhorrent BUT what if it’s a girl that thought she was the one but once he stuck with his woman she decided to pull this shit. We already know we can’t fall for the “me too” believe all women shit. Why can’t the kid have his day in court? Pop is so woke he would believe all women and take it too far.

Because he did it again at the hotel in Minny last week. He will have his day in court.

[exstatic]

Lol. You’re a moron. They aren’t free? Seriously? What are women not free to do in this country?

Have an abortion?

[exstatic]

All this is ”alleged”. If true then it’s abhorrent BUT what if it’s a girl that thought she was the one but once he stuck with his woman she decided to pull this shit. We already know we can’t fall for the “me too” believe all women shit. Why can’t the kid have his day in court? Pop is so woke he would believe all women and take it too far.

Some maid in a hotel in Minny is going to think she’s the one?

[wildbill2u]

Perhaps some of the contract gurus (self-described?) on this board can answer this question about the standard NBA team/player contract. Is there a "morals clause" in the standard NBA contract that provides an way for a team to get rid of a player if he violates specific items in a morals clause.
Lots of employment contracts in various industries used to have morals clauses in them, however it might be that the NBA players association got this removed from the contractual agreements at some time in negotiations. I suppose morals clauses were/are hard to enforce unless the employer can use facts like criminal prosecution as an excuse for termination. But failute to act in a prudent manner by suspension or firing might void their position vis a vis the terms of the contractual wording of the agreement. It is clear to me from his voluntary statement that Primo must have fessed up to the team officials to at least some part of the accusations.

Of course morals clauses might just be a relic of an earlier time when a Supreme Court Justice could write in an opinion about pornography, "You know it when you see it." And the moral atmosphere about sexual practices in the country today is such that any morals clause might be problematic anyway. However, so much was made of the "me too" movement some years ago that it is clear to me that any organization like the Spurs would have to move quickly on something like this or risk financial and publicity problems that would cripple the franchise. They did.

Therefore, It is ludicrous to suggest that the Spurs FO knew anything about this problem until the recent incident. No team would knowingly ignore or cover up any indications of serious sexual predation at any time, whether before the draft or during a season as now.

[Dverde]

Is the Minnesota hotel thing confirmed? I thought that was still a reddit thing and only the Spurs internal employee was confirmed ?

I’m losing track tbh.

Not sure I saw the Minnesota thing confirmed. There was some reporting from “reliable” sports tweeters that there were multiple separate instances of him exposing himself.

[lmbebo]

Perhaps some of the contract gurus (self-described?) on this board can answer this question about the standard NBA team/player contract. Is there a "morals clause" in the standard NBA contract that provides an way for a team to get rid of a player if he violates specific items in a morals clause.
Lots of employment contracts in various industries used to have morals clauses in them, however it might be that the NBA players association got this removed from the contractual agreements at some time in negotiations. I suppose morals clauses were/are hard to enforce unless the employer can use facts like criminal prosecution as an excuse for termination. But failute to act in a prudent manner by suspension or firing might void their position vis a vis the terms of the contractual wording of the agreement. It is clear to me from his voluntary statement that Primo must have fessed up to the team officials to at least some part of the accusations.

Of course morals clauses might just be a relic of an earlier time when a Supreme Court Justice could write in an opinion about pornography, "You know it when you see it." And the moral atmosphere about sexual practices in the country today is such that any morals clause might be problematic anyway. However, so much was made of the "me too" movement some years ago that it is clear to me that any organization like the Spurs would have to move quickly on something like this or risk financial and publicity problems that would cripple the franchise. They did.

Therefore, It is ludicrous to suggest that the Spurs FO knew anything about this problem until the recent incident. No team would knowingly ignore or cover up any indications of serious sexual predation at any time, whether before the draft or during a season as now.

Wish I still spoke to my former boss. His son was chief? legal counsel for the nba and reviewed all nba contracts.

[NASpurs]

https://i.redd.it/xy0a9661huw91.jpg

:lmao

[spurraider21]

https://i.imgflip.com/6ytwl0.jpg
This is good :lol

[heyheymymy]

Primo has gone OJ! lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/yh5pox/driving_home_on_35/

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Spurs should‘ve taken a closer look at his signature :lmao

:rollin

That's not even close to a J or a P. Straight up dude is drawing balls and a dick.

[Spurs Homer]

Jesus man, have you heard anything about a right women had for 50 years being removed by a court paid for and selected by the Federalist Society? Five of whom were selected by a president that lost the popular vote?

You boys in red hats would be storming the capitol -- oh wait bad example -- if Democrats were passing laws like that. Conservatives / Republicans are crybaby assholes with warped versions of reality and it's never going to get better because you guys are gullible fools as evidenced by your comment above. CNN and MSNBC while left leaning to some extent, don't feed daily propaganda to the zombie class and wind them up like toy soldiers.


well said

[jjspur]

:rollin

That's not even close to a J or a P. Straight up dude is drawing balls and a dick.

His autograph wasn't worth much before and it won't be worth dick now.

[BatManu20]

https://i.redd.it/xy0a9661huw91.jpg

:lol

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His autograph wasn't worth much before and it won't be worth dick now.

ISWYDT

[DrSteffo]

ISWYDT

Truth. End of thread TBH.

[SupremeGuy]

Have an abortion?How many have you been denied?

[Maddog]

Not sure how this plays into things, but he's a Canadian citizen here on a Visa
They can be finicky about people in legal jeopardy

[lmbebo]

Listening to nba radio just now. Amin El Hassin? was implying that Primo had these issues going back to some prep school days. That he was kicked out of prep school, possibly for the same reason? That the spurs would have had to have known about that incident if he could find it without much effort.

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How many have you been denied?

Which part of "woman" are you not reading properly?

[TD 21]

This Primo thing has ‘exposed’ more about some ST posters than about him, tbh.

Because some care more about asset management than playing holier than though?

You want to argue they had no choice here and bear no responsibility (presuming they had no prior knowledge), fine. I will even concede that the former is probably true.

But that's where my concern lies.

[offset formation]

Listening to nba radio just now. Amin El Hassin? was implying that Primo had these issues going back to some prep school days. That he was kicked out of prep school, possibly for the same reason? That the spurs would have had to have known about that incident if he could find it without much effort.

This will be the end of the spurs as we know them, if true. Then to pick up his option if more allegations were known...this has the ability to turn into a full-on shit show at lightning speed.

[MannyIsGod]

It's hard to pin down what the Spurs know. It seems like the Four Seasons incident is what spurred the discipline rather than the lawsuit. I guess we don't know for sure that the hotel situation even happened. If they were trying to get out ahead of the lawsuit, it is a huge mark against the team. I don't actually think the team had the responsibility to fire Primo immediately upon hearing the first allegation. While you can take it seriously, you can't assume guilt no matter how much folks are pushing for that.

I hope the Four Seasons canon is true, and upon hearing the first allegation, the Spurs did their investigation and then fired him upon finding more evidence. It wouldn't be that impossible to believe Primo had hidden it from the team given they didn't seem to know about this when they drafted him. We may well find out that Primo has been doing this for a while and either kept getting lucky with targets or was sociopathically skilled at picking them. Pop's original quote suggested Primo might be able to come back into fold, which is hard to imagine if the Spurs knew the full extent of Primo's allegations or especially the legal situation Primo found himself in. It feels like the Spurs may have heard the first allegation but, still protected Primo came up with the spasming-butt thing and checked it out, and when they found another allegation, they cut him. After hearing what he had to say, they still released him, but they softened their stance to leave the door open for him to return or at least to endorse him finding another opportunity in the NBA. Then they got a fuller picture of what happened and realized they had to completely drop him and expunge him in hopes of mitigating their legal liability.

That's a possibility I want to believe, but there's also the idea that they heard about Primo's nature during their pre-draft investigation but chalked it up to "boys will be boys" and otherwise downplayed the issue and/or assumed their culture could smooth him out or at least keep him in check. Then while they tried to provide him with help and discipline, they also didn't continue to make sure nothing happened. That's a situation where even if they heard of something, they hid behind the "innocent until proven guilty" logic to not truly intervene. Then only after an employee who quit because she wasn't taken seriously retained a lawyer did the team react. They originally just deactivated Primo ala Watson and considered letting things blow over, but then after hearing about the hotel incident leaking, they decided to try to get ahead of everything and fire Primo in hopes their silence, quick action and generous settlements can keep prying eyes away.

I don't want to believe in that second scenario or believe the truth is closer to that than the first. I don't think the front office can survive that, and I don't think I'd want them to. It'd suck for Pop's legacy. Even if he didn't know, it'd be an open question if he only didn't know because he didn't WANT to know. He wouldn't be the first person to say or even to believe in a lot of progressive things while still holding or allowing some regressive ideas. I don't believe that's true, but I'm also not going to get caught up in whether Pop "looks like someone who'd do that". The speculation is wildfire that destroys goodwill and characters. I'd understand the Spurs' impulse to keep all of this under wraps. because in a world where these are just allegations without confession or concrete evidence, the damage to Primo would be immense and slow to ebb. But if they did so, the consequences are going to be immense. The team is almost certainly going to be sued over this regardless. If they don't, it's only because the victim personally doesn't want to. Primo doesn't have a ton of money in comparison to someone like Watson. The Spurs are a bigger fish, and they'll very likely not fight the suit if they can get a reasonable settlement. Unless this staffer just quit out of a conflict of interest or whatever, her being an ex-employee is really going to hurt SA in the court of public opinion. It's going to be really hard to convince the public that they didn't know at least some of what happened. It'd be completely impossible if they had kept him to trade like some argued for.

There's also the factor that Pop might just care for Primo and his statements reflect that.

EDIT: Just to be clear don't disagree with any of your post just wanted to factor in that Pop is likely close to this dude and probably wants to see him actually get better and have a future.

[MannyIsGod]

This will be the end of the spurs as we know them, if true. Then to pick up his option if more allegations were known...this has the ability to turn into a full-on shit show at lightning speed.

I have a hard time believing the Spurs painted this kid with the high character brush if they knew about him getting kicked out of prep school for shit like this. That just doesn't make any sense the way they treat draft prospects.

[SupremeGuy]

Which part of "woman" are you not reading properly?Did you just assume their gender, bigot?

[BackHome]

Perhaps some of the contract gurus (self-described?) on this board can answer this question about the standard NBA team/player contract. Is there a "morals clause" in the standard NBA contract that provides an way for a team to get rid of a player if he violates specific items in a morals clause.
Lots of employment contracts in various industries used to have morals clauses in them, however it might be that the NBA players association got this removed from the contractual agreements at some time in negotiations. I suppose morals clauses were/are hard to enforce unless the employer can use facts like criminal prosecution as an excuse for termination. But failute to act in a prudent manner by suspension or firing might void their position vis a vis the terms of the contractual wording of the agreement. It is clear to me from his voluntary statement that Primo must have fessed up to the team officials to at least some part of the accusations.

Of course morals clauses might just be a relic of an earlier time when a Supreme Court Justice could write in an opinion about pornography, "You know it when you see it." And the moral atmosphere about sexual practices in the country today is such that any morals clause might be problematic anyway. However, so much was made of the "me too" movement some years ago that it is clear to me that any organization like the Spurs would have to move quickly on something like this or risk financial and publicity problems that would cripple the franchise. They did.

Therefore, It is ludicrous to suggest that the Spurs FO knew anything about this problem until the recent incident. No team would knowingly ignore or cover up any indications of serious sexual predation at any time, whether before the draft or during a season as now.

The Lakers Say “HI”
The Texans Say “HI”.

[BatManu20]

Primo.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgRcQeWWAAIJ5MP?format=jpg&name=small

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Did you just assume their gender, bigot?

Ha. Take a gander at your avi you self unaware MAGAt. You guys are like a travelling circus and your show is all about showing your ass to the world. I'm embarrassed you're even here.

[BacktoBasics]

Ha. Take a gander at your avi you self unaware MAGAt. You guys are like a travelling circus and your show is all about showing your ass to the world. I'm embarrassed you're even here.

There’s a reason society tends to marginalize these people and it has nothing to do with censorship.

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgSJ7wlXwAAaHOC?format=jpg&name=large

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgSJ7wlXwAAaHOC?format=jpg&name=large

Ha. I knew this meme was coming sooner than later, no pun intended.

[Wu36]

There should have/was a code of conduct clause in his or any players contract. It sucks for any of the victims including him.

[Chinook]

112. What does it mean when a contract is voided?It's when a contract is canceled, i.e., rendered "null and void" because its terms were broken. This is not the same as merely terminating a contract by waiving the player (see question number 64 (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q64)). When a player is waived, some of the terms of the contract remain in effect -- for example, the player is still paid any remaining guaranteed salary. When a contract is voided, none of its terms remain in effect. It's treated the same as if the contract had never existed.Contracts might be voided under the following circumstances:
...



When the player violates Paragraph 16 of the standard NBA contract. The team can void the contract when the player:

Fails, refuses, or neglects to conform his personal conduct to standards of good citizenship, good moral character (defined as not engaging in acts of moral turpitude, whether or not these acts constitute a crime), and good sportsmanship.
Commits a significant and inexcusable physical attack against any official or employee of the team or the NBA (other than another player), or any person in attendance at any NBA game or event. The determination as to whether the attack was significant and inexcusable considers the totality of the circumstances, such as the nature of any provocation.


...

Any attempt at voiding a contract likely would be met with a grievance filed by the players association on behalf of the player. Grievance arbitrators have consistently denied attempts to void contracts. For example:

The Boston Celtics were not allowed to void Vin Baker's contract in 2004, despite his alcohol abuse preventing him from playing, and his failure to comply with his treatment program.
The Golden State Warriors were not allowed to void Latrell Sprewell's contract in 1997 after he choked his coach, P.J. Carlesimo.


http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q112

So voiding the contract won't be easy unless Primo goes to prison or something. Maybe they can get him to agree to a buyout, but he'll likely get every cent. The Spurs manage to continue having dead money on their books somehow...

[Maddog]

Listening to nba radio just now. Amin El Hassin? was implying that Primo had these issues going back to some prep school days. That he was kicked out of prep school, possibly for the same reason? That the spurs would have had to have known about that incident if he could find it without much effort.

I feel uneasy commenting on something unverified.
However both can be true. Once one episode becomes known not infrequently other seemingly isolated incidents start coming out.

[Mugen]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgSJ7wlXwAAaHOC?format=jpg&name=large

:lmao

[SupremeGuy]

Ha. Take a gander at your avi you self unaware MAGAt. You guys are like a travelling circus and your show is all about showing your ass to the world. I'm embarrassed you're even here.Have a great day.

[SupremeGuy]

There’s a reason society tends to marginalize these people and it has nothing to do with censorship.Who are "these people?"

Are you against the 1A?

[Mugen]

Just to recap everything and lay out the next few years for all the short bus riders on the forum:

-The franchise that oozes arrogance about their culture and character literally picked the one guy that goes around flashing every female within 100 yards :lmao
-This is a year after their other 1st rounder was cut for a shit work ethic and terrible locker room guy :lol
-3 Top 20 picks in the last few years that they lost for absolutely nothing, zero, zilch - not even a top 59 protected 2nd rounder :lmao
-Primo will 1000% be picked up by another team no later than the start of next season - and now will likely be a probably decent rotation player for some other team
-That'll be around the time Spurfan will start railing against his new team because of some holier than thou bullshit while the team hoists another "Classy Organization" banner :lmao
-My biggest regret is that Primo didn't get an HEB commercial where he's grilling some hot dogs or something

The only good and I mean the only good that can come out of this is if PATFO ends up having to resign or be forced out. This franchise just takes another fat L and hasn't been the same since Kawhi took one of the fattest shits in sports history on them :lol

Sell the team. Move to Vegas. Clean house in the front office and coaching staff and MAYBE this franchise sniffs relevancy again this decade :lol

[Harry Callahan]

What’s worse than this in history?
Robertson?

Yeah, Alvin was something else all together.

[BacktoBasics]

Who are "these people?"

Are you against the 1A?

When I say “these people” I mean politically driven fucktards like you who can’t function on a basketball forum without injecting your partisan nonsense.

Most of you people can’t do anything without it involving some precursor of politics. You infect thread and thread with you bullshit and for the most you’re all shitty people.

[ChumpDumper]

Just to recap everything and lay out the next few years for all the short bus riders on the forum:

-The franchise that oozes arrogance about their culture and character literally picked the one guy that goes around flashing every female within 100 yards :lmao
-This is a year after their other 1st rounder was cut for a shit work ethic and terrible locker room guy :lol
-3 Top 20 picks in the last few years that they lost for absolutely nothing, zero, zilch - not even a top 59 protected 2nd rounder :lmao
-Primo will 1000% be picked up by another team no later than the start of next season - and now will likely be a probably decent rotation player for some other team
-That'll be around the time Spurfan will start railing against his new team because of some holier than thou bullshit while the team hoists another "Classy Organization" banner :lmao
-My biggest regret is that Primo didn't get an HEB commercial where he's grilling some hot dogs or something

The only good and I mean the only good that can come out of this is if PATFO ends up having to resign or be forced out. This franchise just takes another fat L and hasn't been the same since Kawhi took one of the fattest shits in sports history on them :lol

Sell the team. Move to Vegas. Clean house in the front office and coaching staff and MAYBE this franchise sniffs relevancy again this decade :lol

You'd prefer to keep Primo?

[Mugen]

You'd prefer to keep Primo?

Chumpy! They obviously couldn't but it's fucking hilarious that your beloved front office decided to select the East Area Rapist with one of their only lottery picks in the last 30 years :lmao

[Chinook]

Chumpy! They obviously couldn't but it's fucking hilarious that your beloved front office decided to select the East Area Rapist with one of their only lottery picks in the last 30 years :lmao

They literally had a higher pick the year before. Hopefully Vassell is just hurt and not caught up in this, but the importance of the Primo pick is overstated compared to their other picks. He's a miss and legal hassle, but relatively speaking, he isn't a bigger missed opportunity than James Anderson was. Anderson was a high pick admit a sea of low picks. Primo is just one of the many high and mid picks the Spurs have had recently

[Harry Callahan]

Yeah, can't say that we missed out on a potential all-star by picking Primo.
Sengun is basically Kanter 2.0, probably even worse on defense.

The 2021 draft was not that strong past the first few picks. Obviously, better options were there, but that's over and done.

I hope the SAS look at how they evaluate prospects WAY more carefully going forward. More important draft selections are coming in the next 4-5 years.

The current structure of the front office has some holes in it. Pop and R.C. are semi-checked out regarding the actual draft process and mistakes have been made with the current GM.

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpy! They obviously couldn't but it's fucking hilarious that your beloved front office decided to select the East Area Rapist with one of their only lottery picks in the last 30 years :lmaoYou didn't answer the question.

You'd prefer to keep Primo?

[Mugen]

They literally had a higher pick the year before. Hopefully Vassell is just hurt and not caught up in this, but the importance of the Primo pick is overstated compared to their other picks. He's a miss and legal hassle, but relatively speaking, he isn't a bigger missed opportunity than James Anderson was. Anderson was a high pick admit a sea of low picks. Primo is just one of the many high and mid picks the Spurs have had recently

Hey Chins, you know who would disagree? Your beloved front office since they've been touting him as the future of the organization for the better part of a year now and was the face of the team for every PR event over the summer :lol

[SupremeGuy]

When I say “these people” I mean politically driven fucktards like you who can’t function on a basketball forum without injecting your partisan nonsense.

Most of you people can’t do anything without it involving some precursor of politics. You infect thread and thread with you bullshit and for the most you’re all shitty people.Tell everyone else, man.

I noticed dumb shit and replied.

[Half-Lifer]

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[blizz]

Some maid in a hotel in Minny is going to think she’s the one?

You KNOW that’s true? All that’s been reported is a spurs employee.

[blizz]

When I say “these people” I mean politically driven fucktards like you who can’t function on a basketball forum without injecting your partisan nonsense.

Most of you people can’t do anything without it involving some precursor of politics. You infect thread and thread with you bullshit and for the most you’re all shitty people.
Riiiight. It’s everyone else. You’re sitting in the edge of your seat for something that might be remotely political so you can espouse your super woke bullshit and you know it. You then claim the moral high ground. Get off your high horse pal.

[Chinook]

Hey Chins, you know who would disagree? Your beloved front office since they've been touting him as the future of the organization for the better part of a year now and was the face of the team for every PR event over the summer :lol

No, they wouldn't disagree that Primo wasn't their first lottery pick in forever. They also know Vassell was drafted. You were just wrong. Own that and then come back with the emojis.

[Mugen]

No, they wouldn't disagree that Primo wasn't their first lottery pick in forever. They also know Vassell was drafted. You were just wrong. Own that and then come back with the emojis.

"One of their only lottery picks" is wrong? :lol

Chinny baby, the Sniff Crew is going to recover just fine from this. Positioning it as Primo wasn't that good/important anyways and the Spurs are just being their usual classy selves by having a zero tolerance policy is the way to do it tbh.

Don't let ol Mugz get to you now:lol :lol :lol

[ducks]

Listening to nba radio just now. Amin El Hassin? was implying that Primo had these issues going back to some prep school days. That he was kicked out of prep school, possibly for the same reason? That the spurs would have had to have known about that incident if he could find it without much effort.

Time for heads to roll if that is true

The bs line they feed the fans high character

[Mugen]

:lmao PATFO getting Paterno'd

[GAustex]

Can’t happen soon enough

[ChumpDumper]

:lol I have no idea why some people are Spurfan in the first place.

[Chinook]

"One of their only lottery picks" is wrong? :lol

Chinny baby, the Sniff Crew is going to recover just fine from this. Positioning it as Primo wasn't that good/important anyways and the Spurs are just being their usual classy selves by having a zero tolerance policy is the way to do it tbh.

Don't let ol Mugz get to you now:lol :lol :lol

I know you don't post here a lot nowadays and so have no idea about my stance on the FO, but even in this current situation, I'm one of the more critical folks of the FO right now. I'm not meming about it because I think a Mavericks-style investigation is about to break out. No one should be shilling for the organization right now.

But in pure basketball terms, people need to recalibrate what missing out on a lottery pick means. The Spurs are going to have plenty of those picks. This isn't their one shot to grab that their of talent anymore. They missed out on Primo at 12, but at 11 and 9 on the years surrounding that pick, they've done well. Part of being bad means cycling through players, moving good ones and busting. That's just a fact of life. Primo is going to get some folks fired, but if he had just sucked, it would still be meh.

[ducks]

:lol I have no idea why some people are Spurfan in the first place.

I became a spurs fan because of David Robinson and his love for his country and his work ethic
I know people who bowled with him and he is a great humble dude. They say it is the complete opposite of Pop.

[ducks]

:lol I have no idea why some people are Spurfan in the first place.

Do yo think after this the spurs do not need to change anything and pretend it never happen.
And hope it will not happened again

[ChumpDumper]

I became a spurs fan because of David Robinson and his love for his country and his work ethic
I know people who bowled with him and he is a great humble dude. They say it is the complete opposite of Pop.

I've got some bad news for you:

David retired about 20 years ago.

[ChumpDumper]

Do yo think after this the spurs do not need to change anything and pretend it never happen.
And hope it will not happened againI think the Spurs will change things and will not pretend it never happened and will also hope it will not happen again.

[ducks]

I've got some bad news for you:

David retired about 20 years ago.

I am not a bad wagoner fan and just leave after one guy retired.

[ChumpDumper]

I am not a bad wagoner fan and just leave after one guy retired.What was your team before David Robinson?

[ducks]

What was your team before David Robinson?

I never had a favorite team in the nba before the spurs.

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Fantastic 1st post. We all feel your pain.

[vy65]

I know you don't post here a lot nowadays and so have no idea about my stance on the FO, but even in this current situation, I'm one of the more critical folks of the FO right now. I'm not meming about it because I think a Mavericks-style investigation is about to break out. No one should be shilling for the organization right now.

But in pure basketball terms, people need to recalibrate what missing out on a lottery pick means. The Spurs are going to have plenty of those picks. This isn't their one shot to grab that their of talent anymore. They missed out on Primo at 12, but at 11 and 9 on the years surrounding that pick, they've done well. Part of being bad means cycling through players, moving good ones and busting. That's just a fact of life. Primo is going to get some folks fired, but if he had just sucked, it would still be meh.

That's totally fine, but what you're missing is the Spurs lauding this guy as the franchise and literally making him a poster boy for the organization only to do a 180 and claim "meh, he's a whiff." Do you not see how disingenuous that seems?

[BacktoBasics]

Riiiight. It’s everyone else. You’re sitting in the edge of your seat for something that might be remotely political so you can espouse your super woke bullshit and you know it. You then claim the moral high ground. Get off your high horse pal.
No. I’ll keep up here on my perch judging pieces of shit like you.

[cjw]

Luka was the 19th pick guys. The chances of those picks busting are really high statistically. Not an apples to apples comp.

In 2021, sure I get the Sengun takes, but people are getting a little carried away too (4 more teams passed on him after us too). His best case is Vuc, but like Vuc today he’ll struggle to carve out a role in the modern nba.

Sengun is the type of player that I do not want to overpay on a second contract. Nice role player, but bigs like him are not people you swing at.

Not saying he’s a terrible pick in the mid first. But you can only put one of his type on court at a time, and that’s limiting.

[Chinook]

That's totally fine, but what you're missing is the Spurs lauding this guy as the franchise and literally making him a poster boy for the organization only to do a 180 and claim "meh, he's a whiff." Do you not see how disingenuous that seems?

I'm not missing that. We know the Spurs like Primo and had high hopes for him. But he was a whiff, the Spurs have more picks and we all can move on in a basketball sense.

[K...]

so a year after the spurs ace 3 FRP people are going HAM about an older set of picks that were both taken as raw prospects? We know some people want to only draft undersized euro centers and low ceiling 3nD SF. Even with big wiffs the spurs are still ahead with extra picks for years to come. if anything primo is water under the bridge like nephew once he decided to leave. Also James anderson was an ace pick who broke their foot, which led to danny green and kawhi. People don't realize that it's not a zero sum game. You don't win by showing up with the highest drafted picks, you play actual games. Yeah primo was a mild wiff, then a massive wiff, but a real nothing burger in regards to depth (assuming westley or someone can play backup.

[MVPCues]

If Pop can compare Forbes to Curry to try and help pump him up and install confidence, I can see him touting Primo's character to try and give him confidence knowing his struggles and knowing some of what has happened. That is one thing I have noticed and wondered about. It seems like Pop goes out of his way to praises the guys that might need some confidence and are actually borderline to begin with.

[MannyIsGod]

That's totally fine, but what you're missing is the Spurs lauding this guy as the franchise and literally making him a poster boy for the organization only to do a 180 and claim "meh, he's a whiff." Do you not see how disingenuous that seems?

I dont think many posters claimed he was going to be amazing much less the face of the franchise so you're conflating two different sets of people doing two different sets of things.

[OldMan88]

If the Spurs were aware of Primo’s proclivities when they drafted him, that would certainly be grounds for the ownership group to can the person or persons that approved ignoring that bit of information. That detail will likely come out during discovery for the civil action(s) that are, or will be pending. Every woman who has been subjected to a drive-by dicking by Primo will be looking for a piece of the money, and the more the Spurs knew when he was employed, the bigger the financial hit to the team.

The alleged Prep School incident(s) could have been buried by the schools because that’s been common practice when dealing with school athletic stars…. Send them on their way & hope nobody sues the school. Well meaning but wrong! Come down hard on them early and maybe they get the message! At this stage it’s too late. He’ll either do something worse, or he’ll flash the wrong person and get shot.

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If the Spurs were aware of Primo’s proclivities when they drafted him, that would certainly be grounds for the ownership group to can the person or persons that approved ignoring that bit of information. That detail will likely come out during discovery for the civil action(s) that are, or will be pending. Every woman who has been subjected to a drive-by dicking by Primo will be looking for a piece of the money, and the more the Spurs knew when he was employed, the bigger the financial hit to the team.

The alleged Prep School incident(s) could have been buried by the schools because that’s been common practice when dealing with school athletic stars…. Send them on their way & hope nobody sues the school. Well meaning but wrong! Come down hard on them early and maybe they get the message! At this stage it’s too late. He’ll either do something worse, or he’ll flash the wrong person and get shot.

Good points. I'd take issue with one point though. If it's at all true that he was kicked out of his prep school, even if it was buried as to the cause, it's incumbent on the spurs to verify why that happened due to the myriad of ways that expulsion could foretell future criminal behavior as an employee. If the school won't tell you, you interview Primo pre-draft. If he tells you something, you seek confirmation with the school or other sources. If he's lying you don't draft him. If he tells you it was for flashing, then you do not draft him...especially at 12, AS A REACH.

It's the one aspect of the report from earlier that sticks in my craw. As that reporter alludes, if it was easy for him to find out the story, it should have been easy for an NBA franchise eith far greater resources to uncover that information.

And again, IF true, it's damning information that for me practixally guarantees that heads, maybe significant heads, will roll. That's why I say the Spurs franchise as we've known them for the last 24 years is at risk of profound change.

[slick'81]

Good points. I'd take issue with one point though. If it's at all true that he was kicked out of his prep school, even if it was buried as to the cause, it's incumbent on the spurs to verify why that happened due to the myriad of ways that expulsion could foretell future criminal behavior as an employee. If the school won't tell you, you interview Primo pre-draft. If he tells you something, you seek confirmation with the school or other sources. If he's lying you don't draft him. If he tells you it was for flashing, then you do not draft him...especially at 12, AS A REACH.

It's the one aspect of the report from earlier that sticks in my craw. As that reporter alludes, if it was easy for him to find out the story, it should have been easy for an NBA franchise eith far greater resources to uncover that information.

And again, IF true, it's damning information that for me practixally guarantees that heads, maybe significant heads, will roll. That's why I say the Spurs franchise as we've known them for the last 24 years is at risk of profound change.

alot riding on the investigation for sure

[RC_Drunkford]

would be great if some heads gon roll so the Spurs get better in the background check department, so they can get back to making better decisions on draft night. As of recently they made some questionable picks.

[TD 21]

Didn't hear what El Hassan said so not disputing it, but keep in mind he's quite possibly the most notorious Spurs hater in the media.

Former Suns video guy during the 7SOL era, has constantly taken shots at them over the years because he's bitter and jealous over their success, particularly in '07.

Guy was literally tearing up when the Warriors won in '15 because he thought the 7SOL Suns were validated in some way.


The current structure of the front office has some holes in it. Pop and R.C. are semi-checked out regarding the actual draft process and mistakes have been made with the current GM.

We don't know that, and the reality is, the cracks in the armor began almost immediately following Duncan's retirement, which predated Wright.

People just want to blame the (half) black man.


I'm not missing that. We know the Spurs like Primo and had high hopes for him. But he was a whiff, the Spurs have more picks and we all can move on in a basketball sense.

But he comes on the heels of years of poor asset management and a bunch of first round picks that they got little to nothing out of.

They also apparently thought he had the highest ceiling of all of the youth from Murray on.

[exstatic]

I'm not missing that. We know the Spurs like Primo and had high hopes for him. But he was a whiff, the Spurs have more picks and we all can move on in a basketball sense.

Some of us can. Some of us never can.

[exstatic]

Sengun is the type of player that I do not want to overpay on a second contract. Nice role player, but bigs like him are not people you swing at.

Not saying he’s a terrible pick in the mid first. But you can only put one of his type on court at a time, and that’s limiting.

If I had to go back and draft 2021 again, armed only with pre-draft knowledge, I’d probably take a swing at Grimes. During his college time, he had stints as both primary scorer and main distributor. Not a bad defender either, both from the analytics standpoint, and the fact that he played as a rookie for Thibs.

[cjw]

If I had to go back and draft 2021 again, armed only with pre-draft knowledge, I’d probably take a swing at Grimes. During his college time, he had stints as both primary scorer and main distributor. Not a bad defender either, both from the analytics standpoint, and the fact that he played as a rookie for Thibs.

Agree, he could be one of the better guys drafted from when the Spurs went on the clock. The fact that Herb Jones will probably have the longest career of anyone drafted from 12 onwards tells you how weak the draft looks in retrospect.

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Agree, he could be one of the better guys drafted from when the Spurs went on the clock. The fact that Herb Jones will probably have the longest career of anyone drafted from 12 onwards tells you how weak the draft looks in retrospect.

Yet we reached into the 2nd round.

[Arcadian]

:lol I have no idea why some people are Spurfan in the first place.

Maybe it has something to do with the five championships and tradition of excellence for over 20 years? And now the franchise is a dumpster fire and it's kinda funny by contrast?

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Maybe it has something to do with the five championships and tradition of excellence for over 20 years? And now the franchise is a dumpster fire and it's kinda funny by contrast?

Neph wrecked us. Need a voodoo doll some rum, and a witch doctor to end his bad mojo on this team and organization

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

dude if it comes out in discovery that vassell was holding the video camera :lol

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Tom Orsborn
Tom_orsborn
Among the questions posed to Pop: When was the club first aware of allegations that Primo had exposed himself to women, and if they were credible, why wasn't he suspended immediately?

Also, how many alleged incidents were there and where and when did they happen?

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Mike
@PowerlinePunk
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3h
Replying to Tom_orsborn
and matthew_Tynan
The fact they keep deflecting with generic “our statement stands” type of responses makes me think they might be in deeper legal trouble.

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Spurs 2023 champs 210RaisedMe
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3h
Replying to
@PowerlinePunk
Tom_orsborn
and matthew_Tynan
But this is exactly why somebody in the front office needs to come out and address it the more they’re quiet the more people are just gonna keep speculating. It’s not on Pop to talk about this issue

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Bobby Marks
BobbyMarks42
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Oct 28
It was just 2 weeks ago that San Antonio exercised the 3rd year (2023-24) team option for Josh Primo.

He is under contract for $4.1M and $4.3M.

He is eligible to be claimed with room or an exception but a team will have to do its diligence on why the 19-year old was waived.

[The Truth #6]

The FO was obviously prioritizing character. It’s not that they were signing a hooligan and got burned. They drafted someone who appeared mature and respectable to everyone. Obviously, it was a bad pick, but until a few days ago it was only bad because he was mediocre at basketball. Now it looks horrendous. But life is strange.

[The Truth #6]

On the other side, the Spurs seem like an organization that tries to keep everything in house to avoid any whiff of bad press. Put simply, I’m guessing they have covered shit up a lot in the past. Now, I’m afraid they’re about to get burned, but we’ll see. Hopefully the FO didn’t cover up and expose themselves to further damage.

[K...]

The FO was obviously prioritizing character. It’s not that they were signing a hooligan and got burned. They drafted someone who appeared mature and respectable to everyone. Obviously, it was a bad pick, but until a few days ago it was only bad because he was mediocre at basketball. Now it looks horrendous. But life is strange.

the things is though, all the other guys we have are also high characters, good at basketball and not rapey....so it's not like the spurs have a bad strategy. They do seem susceptible to getting too clever with "hidden gems" but they still are doing ok for their draft positions.

[weebo]

Spurfan thinking that the Primo situation is going to hurt the Spurs organization is laughable. This is the NBA...it'll get swept under the rug. How many times have we've seen players do terrible things...Jr Smith killing his friend, Kobe raping, etc...those organizations are still standing.

[The Truth #6]

Spurfan thinking that the Primo situation is going to hurt the Spurs organization is laughable. This is the NBA...it'll get swept under the rug. How many times have we've seen players do terrible things...Jr Smith killing his friend, Kobe raping, etc...those organizations are still standing.

Depends if the organization was trying to keep it under wraps and enabling anything. The Kobe situation for example was all Kobe. The Spurs organization isn’t going under but people could lose their jobs. Sound better?

[K...]

Depends if the organization was trying to keep it under wraps and enabling anything. The Kobe situation for example was all Kobe. The Spurs organization isn’t going under but people could lose their jobs. Sound better?

there is no crime for "keeping it under wraps" the liability is for culture of sexual harassment, and the spurs would need to know he did it, he would keep doing it, and the spurs would have had to do nothing. If the spurs knew he did it, did not think it was a crime (consent or denial), and told him not to do it...they are probably ok. will it suck to get sued? yeah, but that's why you expect early settlement. The victims don't want to go though discovery either.


Finally i'd defer to actual lawyers, but emotional distress is not a main damages element. it's more of a tack on. the worse thing for primo is if they seek a criminal action but given his age and lack of physical crime it's not likely.

[Harry Callahan]

Spurfan thinking that the Primo situation is going to hurt the Spurs organization is laughable. This is the NBA...it'll get swept under the rug. How many times have we've seen players do terrible things...Jr Smith killing his friend, Kobe raping, etc...those organizations are still standing.

Unlike the Dallas situation, which this is absolutely NOT, the player in question was here for just over a year. Mark Cuban was looking the other way regarding a sexual predator in his front office for 20 YEARS - the team President! Essentually the same level as RC Buford. Cubes paid some people off, and got away with it. Mavies also had a team photographer also harassed women who worked for the team. Apples compared to oranges.