Shams: Spurs Waive Josh Primo

[Mal]

He so fucking did it. Lawyer basically confirms by throwing accusations

[JeffDuncan]

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As for whether Pop knew or not, you could easily see Brian Wright trying to keep Pop out of it. …



Indeed. Maybe Wright tried to keep it quiet hoping it would go away.

[timvp]

As for whether Pop knew or not, you could easily see Brian Wright trying to keep Pop out of it.

Yeah, I really don't think Pop knew. Pop has nothing to do with summer league these days. He's traveling all summer and rarely takes Spurs related calls.

And if you're Wright, no way in hell do you tell Pop that the player you reached for is a degenerate who might need to be released. Pop might have fired Wright on the spot for such an admission.

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9 times? After the first couple times, you'd think she would have stopped treating him. I am not victim-blaming. I just think it would be unusual to keep seeing him.

His attorney's statement that Josh didn't realize he was flashing her is pretty unbelievable. Even if she didn't mention it at the time it happened, after she reported it to the organization, the Spurs would have talked to him about it.

As for whether Pop knew or not, you could easily see Brian Wright trying to keep Pop out of it. Maybe Primo was released as soon as Pop found out about it. We don't know because there's no real timeline. At this point, the Vegas and Minny rumors are just rumors, right? No accusers?

I'm very surprised the Spurs didn't settle this months ago. Primo isn't worth the reputation-hit of it going public.

It is absurd to think Pop wasn't involved in the re-upping of Primo for his 3rd year and that pop wouldn't have been told that before they did, there were potentially multiple allegations of him pulling out his junk.

[Dverde]

Biggest loser in this besides Primo is the people who knew about these accusation in Spurs HR department. Victim mentioned talking to them about it. That is instant cause to fire them if they did nothing with the info.

[manufan10]

Is this true?

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[timvp]

Reporter - "Did that Four Seasons incident really take place in Minnesota?"

Buzbee - "That's what we're told. But we're getting the information from you. So..."


What a hack :lol

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I mean, I feel sorry for her and it sounds like she was likely victimized, but Buzbee's press conference was a failure since he had no details of anything else happening regarding Primo and even seemed to reference the Reddit Four Season rumor while trying to make it sound legit until he was pressed on it.

Brian Wright should have known better (the guy is specifically educated in this area). He might lose his job because of this (I haven't heard enough yet to say he should lose his job, though). Obviously, he couldn't waive Primo back in December. After reaching for Primo at 12, imagine if he would have waived him a few months later. That would have been the end of Wright's basketball front office career.

Internally, Wright's probably saying that he kept sending Primo to the mental health expert since Primo was having mental health issues. That's ........ going to be difficult logic to crack and say he should be fired.

Too fucking bad. Cover up drafting incompetence, which Pop almost assuredly recommendedor at least approved, or cover up potentially multiple allegations of sexual impropriety.

This isn't hard. One is Wright. One is wrong

[Ice009]

To me it sounds like Brian Wright probably wouldn't want to tell Pop as Primo was his pick. I doubt he wanted to say to Pop, "ahh look, I fucked up, the kids a flasher, don't resign him." How well do you think that would have went over? He was probably embarrassed and didn't want to get fired. Really tough spot to be in.

[timvp]

It is absurd to think Pop wasn't involved in the re-upping of Primo for his 3rd year and that pop wouldn't have been told that before they did, there were potentially multiple allegations of him pulling out his junk.

Avatar related.

[Das Texan]

Reporter - "Did that Four Seasons incident really take place in Minnesota?"

Buzbee - "That's what we're told. But we're getting the information from you. So..."


What a hack :lol


So thrilled I have to hear this fucking hack's name in the news a little longer now.

[MultiTroll]

Yeah, I really don't think Pop knew. Pop has nothing to do with summer league these days. He's traveling all summer and rarely takes Spurs related calls.

And if you're Wright, no way in hell do you tell Pop that the player you reached for is a degenerate who might need to be released. Pop might have fired Wright on the spot for such an admission.
I can't see Wright trying to hide this from Popped.
Nor believe Popped would be uninterested in such a bombshell.

Sure as an NBA coach he's had all kinds of shenanigans brought to his attention over the years.

[gospursgojas]

Is this true?

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Idk where Don is getting that from. If it’s from the presser. No money was discussed. But Buzbee did word it as “we want protocol changes with the spurs for these situations”. Like he’d really take a case with the sole reward being some company policy changes.

So not sure if Don is thinking that’s all that they want out of this.

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Avatar related.

huh? Abbott fan?

[JeffDuncan]

He so fucking did it. Lawyer basically confirms by throwing accusations


Yeah, when he started off in the first paragraph with the “race” bit it was an admission that he’s got nothing. Primo is guilty.

And then mentioning her age, what’s that about? His client has assured him that he only exposes himself to women under 25?

[get_mills_out]

Is it even in Wrights remit to handle things like this? Wouldn’t this be an HR/admin thing? Not saying he’s off the hook but the lawyer made a big deal about how hard it was to get a meeting with Wright; I mean yeah…he’s the GM of a basketball team, not HR.

[CGD]

Is this true?

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Unlikely -- for there to be a civil claim there has to be an articulation of the relief sought/damages. I think its highly unlikely that the plaintiff would ONLY seek to compel the Spurs/Primo to do something like restore her job, change their HR policies, etc.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

It is absurd to think Pop wasn't involved in the re-upping of Primo for his 3rd year and that pop wouldn't have been told that before they did, there were potentially multiple allegations of him pulling out his junk.
Do you know what presumption of innocence is?

[LkrFan]

Sir, I will have you know that cruel and unusual punishment is forbidden under the U.S. Constitution.

:lol

[djohn2oo8]

Is this true?

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It’s probably worded as “minimal monetary damages” like it was in the Watson lawsuits.

Buzbee may be a hack, but he doesn’t take cases that he can’t win.

[jeebus]

Reporter - "Did that Four Seasons incident really take place in Minnesota?"

Buzbee - "That's what we're told. But we're getting the information from you. So..."


What a hack :lol

Buzz is waiting to hear back from that guy who broke the news on reddit imo

[MultiTroll]

Is this true?

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Idk where Don is getting that from. If it’s from the presser. No money was discussed. But Buzbee did word it as “we want protocol changes with the spurs for these situations”. Like he’d really take a case with the sole reward being some company policy changes.

So not sure if Don is thinking that’s all that they want out of this.
And even IF Don has a rare accurate report, I would not rule out SleazeBee giving Hillary a cut of the proceeds under the table.

[BatManu20]

Is this true?

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Where’d he get that from? Haven’t seen that at all. There’s no way imo. She’s going to get a fat settlement check and she’ll happily cash it when all is said and done.

[MultiTroll]

Buzz is waiting to hear back from that guy who broke the news on reddit imo
:lol Rack it.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[TimDunkem]

All that goodwill built over the years...gone in a flash.

[timvp]

Is this true?

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:lol Don believes that?

[JeffDuncan]

All that goodwill built over the years...gone in a flash.


Well, not just one flash. Lots of flashes.

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Do you know what presumption of innocence is?

Ha. Not how it works my man. That applies in a court of law only and has varying levels of proof depending on if its a civil or criminal trial. A civil trial only demands the preponderance of the evidence, meaning basically 50.1%.

Its truly ludicrous to believe pop was never informed and I pity anyone that truly believes he didnt.

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All that goodwill built over the years...gone in a flash.

Well played.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[jeebus]

Pop is like Joe Paterno, conveniently ignoring the slap slap slapping coming from the showers at Penn State.

[lmbebo]

:lol Don believes that?


Guessing they may have written it to request some min amount, but not listing what they really want. Not sure if listed in the filing and certainly no lawyer. Guessing someone on here could give more insight into this.

[BatManu20]

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[Spursfanfromafar]

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This reads like Better Call Saul.

[jeebus]

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:lmao like the mesothelioma commercials

[Budkin]

But gives them ample reason to dismiss Brian Wrong.

Might be the silver lining in all this!

[CGD]

I bet there are teams now thinking through whether they should sign this guy now (even if there is a league wide suspension coming). Like the player version of the Ime situation.

Some things that caught my attention:

- Multiple instances, for now, does not seem to mean multiple people; appears to be same person multiple times

- Primo's lawyers' angle is smart -- flips the power dynamic on its head (patient-client trust breached; vulnerable youth with mental health issues/experienced mental health expert whose supposed to have seen it all; race dynamic)

- she was a contractor and the Spurs decided not to renew her contract recently.

[timvp]

Its truly ludicrous to believe pop was never informed and I pity anyone that truly believes he didnt.

The higher ups in any major company are kept out of the loop of HR details for reasons exactly like this situation.

[BatManu20]

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Lulz :lol

[exstatic]

If she has a paper trail of emails detailing the allegations and HR has reports, the argument that they just found out goes out the window.

The one thing most people don’t know is that HR isn’t there to protect employees,it’s there to protect the organization. She wasn’t an employee In the technical sense, anyway, she was a contractor.

This whole thing is bizarre, and if BW knew about it and didn’t tell Pop, he needs to be out the door, ASAP.

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This reads like Better Call Saul.

Holmes ain't fucking around. Sadly his goldmining expedition will pay off, I almost guarantee it. That sleeze will definitely dot his Is and cross his Ts.

[scott]

Very true. But if that happened, and came back as you say, I don’t know that the spurs being mum on it is doing them any favors. But we’re not privy to those strategy calls.

I could see it both ways. It is generally in a company's best interest to stay silent on these matters, in the public sphere. They don't want to be perceived as slandering the other party. They just kind of have to take their lumps.

If they do have that investigation report, they would certainly communicate to plaintiff's counsel "we conducted an independent investigation, it came back not supporting your client" - but of course that doesn't mean plaintiff can't move forward with their claims, and certainly could still result in a settlement because it would be far cheaper than litigation.

[Budkin]

Pop is like Joe Paterno, conveniently ignoring the slap slap slapping coming from the showers at Penn State.

There's no fucking way Pop would have tolerated this for a second if he knew about it. We all know that.

[CGD]

Guessing they may have written it to request some min amount, but not listing what they really want. Not sure if listed in the filing and certainly no lawyer. Guessing someone on here could give more insight into this.

Not sure about Texas, but in other state courts there are usually damage "minimum thresholds" to be able to get into courts where you can have a jury trial option in a civil case.

[LeBowen]

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[mo7888]

I bet there are teams now thinking through whether they should sign this guy now (even if there is a league wide suspension coming). Like the player version of the Ime situation.

Some things that caught my attention:

- Multiple instances, for now, does not seem to mean multiple people; appears to be same person multiple times

- Primo's lawyers' angle is smart -- flips the power dynamic on its head (patient-client trust breached; vulnerable youth with mental health issues/experienced mental health expert whose supposed to have seen it all; race dynamic)

- she was a contractor and the Spurs decided not to renew her contract recently.

I think their case is going to hinge on other victims coming forward. They need the Vegas and Minnesota victims to corroborate. At the end of the day if they don't get that they just have her word against his..

[MultiTroll]

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SpursTalk Trolls make yourselves useful.

Prize for longest call to Buzz office?*

Maybe we should verify it's Buzz's office and not some poor 3rd party call center?

[TimDunkem]

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:lmao

[timvp]

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Sounds like he's also accepting Reddit rumors, tbh.

[Mugen]

I've wanted the old man and BWrong gone for a while now, but not for this.

The pearl clutching from some of you nerds based on one press conference from a glorified ambulance chaser is hilarious tbh :lol

[Chinook]

I think their case is going to hinge on other victims coming forward. They need the Vegas and Minnesota victims to corroborate. At the end of the day if they don't get that they just have her word against his..

And if the Spurs are smart, they've already paid them off if they exist.

[mo7888]

And if the Spurs are smart, they've already paid them off if they exist.

True dat

[Mugen]

Thank god for Kyrie tbh :lol

The Spurs better not cave to this but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Ha. Not how it works my man. That applies in a court of law only and has varying levels of proof depending on if its a civil or criminal trial. A civil trial only demands the preponderance of the evidence, meaning basically 50.1%.

Its truly ludicrous to believe pop was never informed and I pity anyone that truly believes he didnt.
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Also, you are not biased at all.
for sure

[emanueldavidginobili]

It's just bizarre that she didn't go to HR which is the standard thing to do in situations like these, but instead wanted a sit down with the general manager of the Spurs?

[timvp]

Tony Buzbee - "The Spurs' public statement about Primo's departure is a complete farce."

WTF? That statement said nothing.

[CGD]

Tony Buzbee - "The Spurs' public statement about Primo's departure is a complete farce."

WTF? That statement said nothing.

basically he's saying the mental health angle is bullshit

[BatManu20]

9 times?


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[Kori Ellis]

It's just bizarre that she didn't go to HR which is the standard thing to do in situations like these, but instead wanted a sit down with the general manager of the Spurs?

She went to Wright first, but I think the lawsuit also says they were dealing with Spurs counsel Brandon James and human resources head Kara Allen.

[timvp]

It's just bizarre that she didn't go to HR which is the standard thing to do in situations like these, but instead wanted a sit down with the general manager of the Spurs?

Also a bit bizarre that she tried to go out of her way to make sure Pop knew about it. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and say she must not have known ...... but, yeah, you go to HR right away. If HR has nine reports for each of the nine flashes and HR didn't think of sending Primo to a different mental health expert or stepping in and stopping the sessions while an investigation took place, then the Spurs need to fire the HR department.

[Mugen]

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:lmao

[spurraider21]

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Also, you are not biased at all.
for sure
thats greg abbott, not gregg popovich

[timvp]

basically he's saying the mental health angle is bullshit

Possibly but which of the words in the press release was a farce?

“It is our hope that, in the long run, this decision will serve the best interest of both the organization and Joshua."

[Kori Ellis]

Also a bit bizarre that she tried to go out of her way to make sure Pop knew about it. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and say she must not have known ...... but, yeah, you go to HR right away. If HR has nine reports for each of the nine flashes and HR didn't think of sending Primo to a different mental health expert or stepping in and stopping the sessions while an investigation took place, then the Spurs need to fire the HR department.

She was probably trying to make sure Pop knew about it, because she honestly believed he would do the right thing.

[spurraider21]

Avatar related.
bruh thats Greg Abott, not Gregg Popovich :lol

[MannyIsGod]

So, I didn't watch the Press conference, and I'm not a lawyer, but this is my take on the situation:

We still have no idea bout multiple situations. Its pretty clear that the shit in the lawsuit is just rumors. Buzzbee should have been able to contact the hotel where the Spurs were staying and gotten actual conformation if that story was true. The lack of specifics makes me believe this is just reaching.

Primo's lawyer's statement seems like boilerplate denial. That being said, if it turns out that the exposure was just Primo's dick being visible underneath his basketball shorts, then IDK this shit seems really fuckin weak. I really don't want to cast any doubt on the victim, but if this is what it is then what the fuck? Honestly if he was still on the team I would really be doubting a lot of this shit but the fact that the Spurs waived him has to mean that there's truth to the accusations, right?

If I had to wager money on how this played out, Primo did it, the GM tried to downplay it/cover it up, Pop later found out and actually made the Spurs take action regarding this shit. Thats me guessing a lot, but the fact that they've made it Pop didn't know at the beginning makes me believe he may actually be on her side.

Also LMAO @ any notion that a case with Buzbee isn't about money.

[timvp]

She was probably trying to make sure Pop knew about it, because she honestly believed he would do the right thing.

That'd be fair.

It's interesting that Buzbee basically admitted that Pop never knew. I wonder if the Spurs told him Pop didn't know until Primo got waived.


bruh thats Greg Abott, not Gregg Popovich :lol

Yeah, that was the joke.

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Also, you are not biased at all.
for sure

Against our spineless, cowardly, corrupt, POS governor?

You got me. Yeah I'm biased against him. Fuck him and anyone that votes for him.

[DPG21920]

I mean, I feel sorry for her and it sounds like she was likely victimized, but Buzbee's press conference was a failure since he had no details of anything else happening regarding Primo and even seemed to reference the Reddit Four Season rumor while trying to make it sound legit until he was pressed on it.

Brian Wright should have known better (the guy is specifically educated in this area). He might lose his job because of this (I haven't heard enough yet to say he should lose his job, though). Obviously, he couldn't waive Primo back in December. After reaching for Primo at 12, imagine if he would have waived him a few months later. That would have been the end of Wright's basketball front office career.

Internally, Wright's probably saying that he kept sending Primo to the mental health expert since Primo was having mental health issues. That's ........ going to be difficult logic to crack and say he should be fired.

I dont know Unc. That wont track if he knew she reported this to him and his solution was to….keep sending him back to her? That is will get him fired IMO if true.

Ya, sending someone who needs help to a mental health expert is logical. Sending them to the same one that has accused him of exposing himself? Nah.

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I've wanted the old man and BWrong gone for a while now, but not for this.

The pearl clutching from some of you nerds based on one press conference from a glorified ambulance chaser is hilarious tbh :lol

How'd that ambulance chaser do against the Texans? One of their higher ups recently resigned in addition to a settlement they paid out reportedly partially for the handling of the Watson matter. And Watson paid a penny or two though Primo is no Watson, he'll pay to. Not sure why there arre people defending them if the alleged facts pan out.

[timvp]

"Once Primo's conduct entered the public sphere, the Spurs were forced to act and release Primo." -- Tony Buzbee

This is another line from Buzbee that didn't make sense. Nothing regarding Primo entered the public sphere until after they released Primo. That's why everyone was scrambling trying to figure out WTF happened. Buzbee is acting like that Reddit Four Seasons rumor came out first ... but that wasn't the case. The Spurs waived Primo first and then all of this media scrutiny followed.

If I'm Dr. Cauthen, I'd be pissed regarding that train wreck of a press conference, tbh. Too many holes, too many rumors paraded as facts, too many disprovable claims.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

thats greg abbott, not gregg popovich
Damn
It came out awkward
I'm not interested in American politics

[scott]

Tony Buzbee - "The Spurs' public statement about Primo's departure is a complete farce."

WTF? That statement said nothing.

This stood out to me too, because as you mentioned... the Spurs didn't really say anything. Honestly it just makes Buzbee look like the cave troll he is.

[Mugen]

How'd that ambulance chaser do against the Texans? One of their higher ups recently resigned in addition to a settlement they paid out reportedly partially for the handling of the Watson matter. And Watson paid a penny or two though Primo is no Watson, he'll pay to. Not sure why there arre people defending them if the alleged facts pan out.

Watson was what, 26 different women that came forward?

I'm not saying there won't be firings over this and a settlement, but to take the statements made by Buzbee as fact is hilarious tbh :lol

[scott]

"Once Primo's conduct entered the public sphere, the Spurs were forced to act and release Primo." -- Tony Buzbee

This is another line from Buzbee that didn't make sense. Nothing regarding Primo entered the public sphere until after they released Primo. That's why everyone was scrambling trying to figure out WTF happened. Buzbee is acting like that Reddit Four Seasons rumor came out first ... but that wasn't the case. The Spurs waived Primo first and then all of this media scrutiny followed.

If I'm Dr. Cauthen, I'd be pissed regarding that train wreck of a press conference, tbh. Too many holes, too many rumors paraded as facts, too many disprovable claims.

No one should ever confuse Buzbee for a GOOD lawyer :lol

He's just the lawyer who is making a name for himself by taking these cases

It is entirely possible for the therapist to have been victimized and for the Spurs to have not really done anything wrong. But now a sleezebag lawyer is in the mix trying to get paaaaaaid

[timvp]

Primo's lawyer's statement seems like boilerplate denial. That being said, if it turns out that the exposure was just Primo's dick being visible underneath his basketball shorts, then IDK this shit seems really fuckin weak. I really don't want to cast any doubt on the victim, but if this is what it is then what the fuck? Honestly if he was still on the team I would really be doubting a lot of this shit but the fact that the Spurs waived him has to mean that there's truth to the accusations, right?

If I had to wager money on how this played out, Primo did it, the GM tried to downplay it/cover it up, Pop later found out and actually made the Spurs take action regarding this shit. Thats me guessing a lot, but the fact that they've made it Pop didn't know at the beginning makes me believe he may actually be on her side.

Also LMAO @ any notion that a case with Buzbee isn't about money.

Yeah, ironically Buzbee's best evidence might be that the Spurs ended up releasing Primo. Cauthen's evidence very well could end up being inadmissible.

I haven't looked to see how the world at large has reacted to the press conference but the texts I'm getting from basketball people are 95% anger at Buzbee. For example, "Slimeball represents rich middle aged white woman who is looking to get even richer by destroying the life of a teenaged Black kid who went to her for help -- only in Texas would he think he can win"

I mean, I wouldn't go as far as that text message but I agree that the press conference was comically bad.

[RC_Drunkford]

pretty weak statement, but I wouldn't mind if the Spurs have to clean house in the front office. I've been very critical of them in recent years, I'm all for shaking it up

[scott]

Direct from the complaint:


VI. DAMAGESAs a direct and proximate result of Defendants’ acts and omissions described above,
Plaintiff has incurred the following damages:
a. Conscious physical and mental pain and suffering, and anguish, past and future;
b. Physical impairment, past and future;
c. Loss of enjoyment of life and peace of mind, past and future;
d. Reasonable and necessary medical, counseling, psychiatric, therapeutic and
related expenses, past and future; and
e. Such other damages that will be shown at trial.
Plaintiff seeks any and all damages to which she may be entitled. As stated, Plaintiff also
seeks exemplary damages to deter such conduct going forward, and to make an example of
Defendants.

LOL Don Harris, fucking moron

[MannyIsGod]

If I'm Dr. Cauthen, I'd be pissed regarding that train wreck of a press conference, tbh. Too many holes, too many rumors paraded as facts, too many disprovable claims.

She had to know who he was and how he operated so what part of this would have been a surprise to her?

[Das Texan]

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man this guy needs to get a better scanning app and not just take a fucking awful photo from his phone.

amateur job tbh.

[MannyIsGod]

I really have a hard time rectifying her being a victim with her choice of lawyer. As of now, I'm trying to extend her the grace a victim would deserve, but yeah, its hard when dealing with Buzzbee. But I keep coming back to the the fact the Spurs released Primo so there has to be something there.

[Das Texan]

"Once Primo's conduct entered the public sphere, the Spurs were forced to act and release Primo." -- Tony Buzbee

This is another line from Buzbee that didn't make sense. Nothing regarding Primo entered the public sphere until after they released Primo. That's why everyone was scrambling trying to figure out WTF happened. Buzbee is acting like that Reddit Four Seasons rumor came out first ... but that wasn't the case. The Spurs waived Primo first and then all of this media scrutiny followed.

If I'm Dr. Cauthen, I'd be pissed regarding that train wreck of a press conference, tbh. Too many holes, too many rumors paraded as facts, too many disprovable claims.


well tbh, she should blame herself for hiring a hack like Buzbee in the first place. What did she expect him to not be a hack?

[scott]

Here is what the complaint is actually accusing the Spurs of:


B. NEGLIGENCE AND GROSS NEGLIGENCE: JOSHUA PRIMO AND THESAN ANTONIO SPURS AS PRINCIPAL AGENT OF JOSHUA PRIMO
Plaintiff hereby incorporates by reference the paragraphs above as if fully set forth herein.
Plaintiff firmly believes and has pled that Primo’s conduct as described was intentional.
Plaintiff alleges that Primo’s conduct, while employed by the Spurs and during the course and
scope of that employment, was unreasonable and thus negligent and grossly negligent. Primo,
individually and as agent of the San Antonio Spurs, owed Plaintiff the duty of reasonable care.
Primo breached that duty in at least the following ways:
a. Scheduling appointments to be alone with Plaintiff knowing of his own sexual
proclivities;
b. Failing to warn Plaintiff of his proclivities and his past conduct;
c. Exposing himself to the Plaintiff;
d. Failing to obtain Plaintiff’s actual consent before attempting to engage in sexual
misconduct;
e. Engaging in sexual misconduct even though Plaintiff did not consent; and
f. Failing to take affirmative steps during the appointments to control his unusual sexual
proclivities.
Defendant Primo’s negligence, individually and as agent for the Spurs, was a proximate
and producing cause of damage to Plaintiff. Defendant’s conduct was malicious and grossly
negligent. Thus, in addition to actual damages, Plaintiff seeks punitive damages.
In addition to being vicariously liable for Primo’s conduct, the Spurs are liable for their
own actions and inactions. Defendant had a duty to Plaintiff and breached that duty. The
negligence of Defendant was a proximate cause of Plaintiff’s injuries and damages.


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Defendant breached the duty of reasonable case in one or more of the following ways,
among others:
a. Failing to prevent Primo from harassing Plaintiff;
b. Negligently hiring, supervising and retaining Primo;
c. Negligently controlling Primo;
d. Failing to properly supervise and control Primo;
e. Failing to create or enforce policies to prevent misconduct;
f. Failing to take precautions prior to the appointments to prevent a reoccurrence of
Primo’s known prior conduct;
g. Failing to warn Plaintiff of Primo’s proclivities and his past conduct;
h. Failing to take affirmative steps during the appointments to control his unusual
sexual proclivities;
i. Providing Primo a safe haven so that he could continue his conduct;
j. Providing Primo a room where he engaged in illicit behavior;
k. Failing to investigate Primo’s unusual behavior;
l. Turning a blind eye to indications that Primo was seeking sex rather than legitimate
therapy.
m. Failing to investigate complaints relating to Primo; and
n. Creating an atmosphere where it was acceptable for Primo to seek sexual conduct
with staff.
Each of these acts and omissions, singularly or in combination with others,
constitute negligence, which was the proximate cause of this incident and the injuries and
damages sustained by Plaintiff.


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Plaintiff will further show that the acts and/or omissions of Defendants as described
above, when viewed objectively from their standpoint, involve an extreme degree of risk
considering the probability and magnitude of the potential harm to others. Defendants had
actual subjective awareness of the risk involved, but nevertheless proceeded in conscious
indifference to the rights, safety and/or welfare of others, including Plaintiff. As such,
these acts and omissions constitute gross negligence and malice as those terms are
understood by law.
D. VICARIOUS LIABILITY: SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Plaintiff re-alleges each aforementioned allegation as if incorporated below.
Defendant the San Antonio Spurs is responsible for the conduct of its agents due to the
relationship that existed, among other acts and omissions of negligence which may be shown
during the trial of this cause.

Most of those points against the Spurs are kind of bullshit. "Failing to prevent Primo from harassing plaintiff"? Yeah, that won't fly.

Now, if the Spurs knew Primo engages in this behavior, would likely engage in such behavior again, and were like "hey... here is someone you can probably get off with, try showing her your primo pick"... then yeah, but otherwise this is kind of weak.

It also alleges that the Spurs failed to investigate, which I highly doubt is true.

[Bill_Brasky]

The Texans had a player with 20+ allegations and kept him until they could trade him. Then another team actually did trade for him. But the Spurs are soooooo horrible! The reaction to this is a joke. Give me a break.

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgqE0_mXwAEHUgm?format=jpg&name=medium

[timvp]

Failing to obtain Plaintiff’s actual consent before attempting to engage in sexual
misconduct

Say what? Is Buzbee trolling? :lol

[Mugen]

The Texans had a player with 20+ allegations and kept him until they could trade him. Then another team actually did trade for him. But the Spurs are soooooo horrible! The reaction to this is a joke. Give me a break.

If this shit was the 90s, they would have covered it up like they did for Peyton :lol

[CGD]

Here is what the complaint is actually accusing the Spurs of:



Most of those points against the Spurs are kind of bullshit. "Failing to prevent Primo from harassing plaintiff"? Yeah, that won't fly.

Now, if the Spurs knew Primo engages in this behavior, would likely engage in such behavior again, and were like "hey... here is someone you can probably get off with, try showing her your primo pick"... then yeah, but otherwise this is kind of weak.

It also alleges that the Spurs failed to investigate, which I highly doubt is true.

Yeah, but remember the complaint is just the complaint. Just need to assert enough allegations to beat a dismissal motion, which i understand is not that high a bar. Its when the memos are filed later that we should expect more particulars, and whether those compel discovery which would be the potentially scarier part for a defendant.

[CGD]

Possibly but which of the words in the press release was a farce?

“It is our hope that, in the long run, this decision will serve the best interest of both the organization and Joshua."

Yeah, i think he's less concerned about the actual words in the statement than the underlying reasons (and pretext) for it. Like the team could have waived him over the summer and issued the same presser if this was really the reason, etc.

That's how i took it anyway.

[The Truth #6]

I really have a hard time rectifying her being a victim with her choice of lawyer. As of now, I'm trying to extend her the grace a victim would deserve, but yeah, its hard when dealing with Buzzbee. But I keep coming back to the the fact the Spurs released Primo so there has to be something there.

Agree. She would look way more credible with a different lawyer.

[CGD]

I think their case is going to hinge on other victims coming forward. They need the Vegas and Minnesota victims to corroborate. At the end of the day if they don't get that they just have her word against his..

Right, which is why I think Primo's lawyer's statement was smart. Make it about the doctor and her potential motives, the power dynamic working against Primo, while acknowledging his mental health to show his vulnerability as well as a hedge against other things coming out later.

[timvp]

All in all, it looks like Brian Wright is the only person in the front office who could be in trouble. If the accuser only told Wright and Wright told no one anything other than to tell the accuser to keep seeing Primo, then Wright might get fired over this. But even then, Wright could simply say that the accuser was the mental health professional so it was her job to either refer Primo to someone else or contact HR if Primo's conduct was beyond the scope of what she's supposed to deal with.

If the accuser or Wright let HR in on what was happening, Wright is likely shielded from being fired. There's really only a narrow path to Wright being so wrong that he has to go, IMO.

Now, obviously, this can all change if more accusers come forward. But from Buzbee's press conference, I struggle to come up with scenarios where Wright is doomed or the Spurs will be out millions.

[RC_Drunkford]

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[scott]

Yeah, but remember the complaint is just the complaint. Just need to assert enough allegations to beat a dismissal motion, which i understand is not that high a bar. Its when the memos are filed later that we should expect more particulars, and whether those compel discovery which would be the potentially scarier part for a defendant.

For sure, but in the pre-motion phase, and the pre-filing phase, usually the plaintiff attorney's demand letter will spell out everything in the complaint to come. You throw in as much as possible to make it seem like as the defendant you are dead to right, but a good defense attorney will straight up reply "this is why your case is weak... so this is why we are offering you $X, and if you don't like that we'll be happy to file a motion to dismiss". I'm going through the exact scenario now (not on a personnel matter - but the process is the same).

[BatManu20]

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[rjv]

No one should ever confuse Buzbee for a GOOD lawyer :lol

He's just the lawyer who is making a name for himself by taking these cases

It is entirely possible for the therapist to have been victimized and for the Spurs to have not really done anything wrong. But now a sleezebag lawyer is in the mix trying to get paaaaaaid

i think this pretty much sums it up. i would just add the media to this equation. you already have some local sports talk hacks labeling this the "darkest day in spurs history".

[vy65]

All in all, it looks like Brian Wright is the only person in the front office who could be in trouble. If the accuser only told Wright and Wright told no one anything other than to tell the accuser to keep seeing Primo, then Wright might get fired over this. But even then, Wright could simply say that the accuser was the mental health professional so it was her job to either refer Primo to someone else or contact HR if Primo's conduct was beyond the scope of what she's supposed to deal with.

If the accuser or Wright let HR in on what was happening, Wright is likely shielded from being fired. There's really only a narrow path to Wright being so wrong that he has to go, IMO.

Now, obviously, this can all change if more accusers come forward. But from Buzbee's press conference, I struggle to come up with scenarios where Wright is doomed or the Spurs will be out millions.

You should try out for the 2024 games with that gymnasts routine.

[Cardinal]

Here is the actual lawsuit: http://kens-download.edgesuite.net/archive/assets/pdf/20221103-Cauthen-Primo-Spurs-Lawsuit.pdf

[scott]

My friend in SA media says that he doesn't know anyone who has any direct sources who can confirm MN or LV allegations. Says media just heard about LV for the first time today.

[Mal]

Yeah, when he started off in the first paragraph with the “race” bit it was an admission that he’s got nothing. Primo is guilty.

And then mentioning her age, what’s that about? His client has assured him that he only exposes himself to women under 25?

Race cards in not race related issue = 100% guilty.
No clue what they are trying to achieve by saying her age. She is good looking women, based on quick googling

[Atl Spur]

Of course everyone wants the goodie Spurs to fall…….I’ll wait to all the Facts are released:)

[rjv]

Direct from the complaint:



LOL Don Harris, fucking moron

what did that clown have to say now?

[manufan10]

1588233937930915843

Probably should have read the lawsuit first before commenting.

[scott]

what did that clown have to say now?

He tweeted that the therapist wasn't seeking any money damages. Clearly, she is.

[daslicer]

1588233937930915843

Probably should have read the lawsuit first before commenting.

:lol

[Leetonidas]

Waiting to see the Spurs response to this...

[Mal]

Is this good for Spurs ? I mean, Primo is owed 8mil, and phychologist should be happy with small amount of that as settlement.

[lefty]

But did the hottest clubber, white pants, meet Primo in a club?

We need more testimonials

[rjv]

if there is any truth to other instances outside of the psychologist's visits that the spurs FO knew about then this becomes more cut and dry but if it is confined to dr. cauthen alone it is a slippery slope. if primo was dealing with mental health issues how do the spurs handle releasing him under those circumstances? i mean, just about a week ago, some fans were bashing the spurs for releasing someone battling his demons. but since these issues may involve exhibitionism the situation becomes sketchy.

[jeebus]

But did the hottest clubber, white pants, meet Primo in a club?

We need more testimonials

lefty pls :cry

[timvp]

Waiting to see the Spurs response to this...

I don't think they say anything. Nothing in the Buzbee press conference really requires a response, IMO.

[manufan10]

Yeah, the Spurs shouldn't say anything right now. Anything they say will be used against them.

[Mugen]

1588233937930915843

Probably should have read the lawsuit first before commenting.

:lol

[lefty]

Waiting to see the Spurs response to this...
"Get over yourselves" :pop:

[cd98]

Is this true?

1588206272553385985

Pleadings can always be amended so that doesn't mean much. They can file a lawsuit and claim they only want justice, but outside of court tell the Spurs they won't drop the case unless they get paid $$$. When the pleading deadline nears for them, they just amend and seek monetary damages.

[Leetonidas]

I don't think they say anything. Nothing in the Buzbee press conference really requires a response, IMO.

You don't think Buzbee basically accusing SAS of covering up the incident and retaliating by letting her go doesn't warrant at least a denial or something? Silent route is a bad look imho

[exstatic]

Waiting to see the Spurs response to this...

When you’re being sued, the smart ones don’t say a thing until the case is over. It cannot help you at all.

[RC_Drunkford]

that whole thing should explain the "problems bigger than basketball" comment by DJ pretty well :lol

[gospursgojas]

that whole thing should explain the "problems bigger than basketball" comment by DJ pretty well :lol

DJ meant they didn’t let him say the N word on insta.

[rjv]

there are two fundamental questions that i would have to ask both sides. to the spurs i would ask: why did you release primo when you did and what was the deciding factor? and to buzbee, or his client, i would ask why she continued to honor appointments with primo if he had exposed himself to her at his very first session?

[offset formation]

I really have a hard time rectifying her being a victim with her choice of lawyer. As of now, I'm trying to extend her the grace a victim would deserve, but yeah, its hard when dealing with Buzzbee. But I keep coming back to the the fact the Spurs released Primo so there has to be something there.

Yes. Spurs are not just going to cut bait with their 12th pick on what they think is a crooked lawyer's lawsuit to extort them. Especiallyone they just re-upped for year 3 and whom pop was saying was coming along nicely in his PG development. Also as timvp's sources kept telling him, they wrre singing his potential praises behind the scenes for his development. They had every intention of keeping him long term. Primo's initial idiotic statement about seeking counseling for past trauma only underscores the charges have something to them.

I repeat. This isn't about the money. It's about which of PATFO knew of the charges and then what they decided to do with them and when.

[DPG21920]

I don't think they say anything. Nothing in the Buzbee press conference really requires a response, IMO.

You dont think fans are owed anything? Even with the “we are family” stuff? And how outspoken they are on other issues?

[lmbebo]

Aside from RC/Pop/Wright, what about Spurs ownership? The Holts?

[timvp]

You don't think Buzbee basically accusing SAS of covering up the incident and retaliating by letting her go doesn't warrant at least a denial or something? Silent route is a bad look imho

Her claims basically depend on dates aligning, HR paperwork, write-ups that might or might not exist, possible consequences that might or might not have happened, etc. The Spurs will save all those details for the courtroom.

Brian Wright could be in trouble depending on what he did between January and March ... but after that the Spurs legal department took over, so this would end up mostly being a battle between lawyers if it goes to court.

Wright could get fired (I don't think he will but others I've talked to do think he will get fired) but that's an internal situation and the Spurs don't need to comment on that aspect.

[DPG21920]

Her claims basically depend on dates aligning, HR paperwork, write-ups that might or might not exist, possible consequences that might or might not have happened, etc. The Spurs will save all those details for the courtroom.

Brian Wright could be in trouble depending on what he did between January and March ... but after that the Spurs legal department took over, so this would end up mostly being a battle between lawyers if it goes to court.

Wright could get fired (I don't think he will but others I've talked to do think he will get fired) but that's an internal situation and the Spurs don't need to comment on that aspect.

I think that is wild how Pop and players have no issues speaking up on issues (rightfully so) but when its at their doorstep its plead the fifth. Just dont agree with that at all.

It calls into question their integrity IMO to a degree with all the political/culture stuff then feel like fans who pay and bought into that dont deserve anything?

[LeBowen]

Yeah, we're gonna have to wait for this thing to unfold, because a lot of stuff doesn't add up.

For example, Self sponsorship on the unis was announced in June. By then, Primo issue was in full swing (no pun intended).
So why would the Spurs risk making him the face of their uni sponsorship if they knew what was happening and that it coudl escalate?
Or all the billboards etc.

Because if they knew what was going on and still decided to go with him as one of the faces of the franchises, then everyone has to fucking go. Every single individual who knew about him being deranged.

Reputation damage aside, that would also be a big win, because Brian Wright has never looked like the right man for the job.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't think they say anything. Nothing in the Buzbee press conference really requires a response, IMO.

Haven't you reported a while ago that there's a rift in the Spurs FO? Sounds to me like it might be bigger than we thought

[Mugen]

I think that is wild how Pop and players have no issues speaking up on issues (rightfully so) but when its at their doorstep its plead the fifth. Just dont agree with that at all.

It calls into question their integrity IMO to a degree with all the political/culture stuff then feel like fans who pay and bought into that dont deserve anything?

Deepsie, have a seat. We need to have a hard talk about how the real world works :lol

[cd98]

If she is full of it and the Spurs know there is no one else, then they will issue a strong statement denying everything. If they don't say anything, it means there is more to the case that makes them nervous.

[timvp]

You dont think fans are owed anything? Even with the “we are family” stuff? And how outspoken they are on other issues?

What do you want them to say? Do you want them to apologize or do you want the HR paperwork to prove their side of the story? Would you accept Wright being fired as a sufficient comment? I can't imagine something productive they could say in this situation. The most they'd say is, ironically, "we are family and all families have problems but we're working on this in-house and making sure procedures are put in place," etc.

[vy65]

Her claims basically depend on dates aligning, HR paperwork, write-ups that might or might not exist, possible consequences that might or might not have happened, etc. The Spurs will save all those details for the courtroom.

Brian Wright could be in trouble depending on what he did between January and March ... but after that the Spurs legal department took over, so this would end up mostly being a battle between lawyers if it goes to court.

Wright could get fired (I don't think he will but others I've talked to do think he will get fired) but that's an internal situation and the Spurs don't need to comment on that aspect.

Don’t give us hope

[Chinook]

The Spurs face legal liability. There should be no correlation between them speaking about racism or whatever and them not following their lawyers' advice. Come on now.

[mo7888]

I'd hate for Wright to go out like this(just because i dont really want a guys career derailed over something with this stigma) however, it won't be hard to replace him with somebody within our FO tree if you will..

[offset formation]

Her claims basically depend on dates aligning, HR paperwork, write-ups that might or might not exist, possible consequences that might or might not have happened, etc. The Spurs will save all those details for the courtroom.

Brian Wright could be in trouble depending on what he did between January and March ... but after that the Spurs legal department took over, so this would end up mostly being a battle between lawyers if it goes to court.

Wright could get fired (I don't think he will but others I've talked to do think he will get fired) but that's an internal situation and the Spurs don't need to comment on that aspect.

And how would the prep school allegation play into this if true, given that knowledge of an incident pre-draft would almost certainly be pertinent to the Spurs knowledge of pre-existing history for this behavior? And call into question every delay of action against him. And the Spurs promotion of him as the next face of the franchise. And the 3rd year option.

That story is the ultimate, you're fucked, if it pans out. And would undoubtedly make heads roll either for not knowing about it or for knowing it and then not acting with haste once a second, third, or fourth allegation became known.

By the way, quick prediction: If Primo has a penchant for doing this type of behavior, there are undoubtedly more fish in the sea that will come forward, even if the Spurs may have already paid off the Minnesota or Vegas victims

[szkorhetz]

Primo's career is definitely over.

[MannyIsGod]

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Wow this dude out here trying to make it seem like Pop was part of a cover up for clicks. What a bitch.

[timvp]

The Spurs face legal liability. There should be no correlation between them speaking about racism or whatever and them not following their lawyers' advice. Come on now.

Agreed. It's weird how Spurs fans and Spurs haters try to relate everything back to Pop saying mean things about Christopher Columbus or whatever.

[vy65]

What do you want them to say? Do you want them to apologize or do you want the HR paperwork to prove their side of the story? Would you accept Wright being fired as a sufficient comment? I can't imagine something productive they could say in this situation. The most they'd say is, ironically, "we are family and all families have problems but we're working on this in-house and making sure procedures are put in place," etc.

Bullshit. They need to revamp their protocols to make sure this issue isn’t handled the same way again - meaning setting aside a whistleblower’s complaints until critics mass is hit. They need to re-assss and revise the policies that created this situation in the first place. They should hire a consultant and actually implement changes.

Wright should be fired. Not because it’s his pick - although he clearly can’t do a good assessment on character. But because of the 8mm extension. Icing on the cake will be if it turns out he facilitated this clusterfuck in the early part of this year.

They should have some sort of dialogue with the public to express their understanding of these issues, accept blame (to whatever extent is appropriate), and work on making sure these incidences don’t occur again.

None of this is that hard to think of - and - there are plenty of consultancies out there that do this sort of work.

Being automatically mute on these issues - or showing intentional steps towards progress - is just a fuck you to the fan base. There should be more transparency and Kawhi’ing this shows an organization seriously out of touch with the times.

[MannyIsGod]

I think that is wild how Pop and players have no issues speaking up on issues (rightfully so) but when its at their doorstep its plead the fifth. Just dont agree with that at all.

It calls into question their integrity IMO to a degree with all the political/culture stuff then feel like fans who pay and bought into that dont deserve anything?

Its pretty ridiculous to equate speaking out about structural inequalities in our society to pending litigation that might be aimed at them. Come the fuck on man.

[vy65]

Lol so spurs care about racial issues but not women? Is that the sniffers position?

[T Park]

When you’re faced with a lawsuit one of the first things the lawyer says is “say nothing we’ll do the talkin”

There’s zero upside to making a statement when it comes to serious legal ramifications, and especially accusations of this nature. Not one lawyer would say “have a press conference, deny everything,”

A PR person yes, a lawyer no

[MannyIsGod]

The Spurs face legal liability. There should be no correlation between them speaking about racism or whatever and them not following their lawyers' advice. Come on now.

Fucking exactly! Weak ass take.

[KingKev]

I'd hate for Wright to go out like this(just because i dont really want a guys career derailed over something with this stigma) however, it won't be hard to replace him with somebody within our FO tree if you will..

We should poach someone from an up and coming front office though.

[MannyIsGod]

Bullshit. They need to revamp their protocols to make sure this issue isn’t handled the same way again - meaning setting aside a whistleblower’s complaints until critics mass is hit. They need to re-assss and revise the policies that created this situation in the first place. They should hire a consultant and actually implement changes.

Wright should be fired. Not because it’s his pick - although he clearly can’t do a good assessment on character. But because of the 8mm extension. Icing on the cake will be if it turns out he facilitated this clusterfuck in the early part of this year.

They should have some sort of dialogue with the public to express their understanding of these issues, accept blame (to whatever extent is appropriate), and work on making sure these incidences don’t occur again.

None of this is that hard to think of - and - there are plenty of consultancies out there that do this sort of work.

Being automatically mute on these issues - or showing intentional steps towards progress - is just a fuck you to the fan base. There should be more transparency and Kawhi’ing this shows an organization seriously out of touch with the times.

How was it handled though? Are you taking Buzzbee at face value, because that is fucking laughable.

IF they covered shit up or didn't handle it right, I agree with you, but I don't understand why you're speaking on like its fact.

[timvp]

Bullshit. They need to revamp their protocols to make sure this issue isn’t handled the same way again - meaning setting aside a whistleblower’s complaints until critics mass is hit. They need to re-assss and revise the policies that created this situation in the first place. They should hire a consultant and actually implement changes.

Wright should be fired. Not because it’s his pick - although he clearly can’t do a good assessment on character. But because of the 8mm extension. Icing on the cake will be if it turns out he facilitated this clusterfuck in the early part of this year.

They should have some sort of dialogue with the public to express their understanding of these issues, accept blame (to whatever extent is appropriate), and work on making sure these incidences don’t occur again.

None of this is that hard to think of - and - there are plenty of consultancies out there that do this sort of work.

Being automatically mute on these issues - or showing intentional steps towards progress - is just a fuck you to the fan base. There should be more transparency and Kawhi’ing this shows an organization seriously out of touch with the times.


So you want them to accept blame, admit guilt and institute change while they face an open lawsuit? Yeah, no, not happening unless the Spurs feel like lighting money on fire.

For the record, I think it does sound like they need some procedures put in place to deal with this type of situation. If Wright was open to do whatever he wanted with her complaints, that's wrong.

[MannyIsGod]

So you want them to accept blame, admit guilt and institute change while they face an open lawsuit? Yeah, no, not happening unless the Spurs feel like lighting money on fire.

For the record, I think it does sound like they need some procedures put in place to deal with this type of situation. If Wright was open to do whatever he wanted with her complaints, that's wrong.

Well if she was smart, and as a person at her level she should be, there will be documentation of her contacts each step of the way. They won't even need discovery to show a record of contact that Wright ignored.

[T Park]

I really hope this isn’t a Joe paterno moment for pop. Put aside coaching etc, pop is a good man, who is extremely charitable and as kind hearted as it gets. From day 1 him taking over in 95 the spurs were run so much different than the Bass days. Strickland exposing himself and breaking his hand in a bar fight at 3 am. Trading Sean Elliott for. Nut case in Rodman.


If this is true, and Pop knew and was like “ meh, cover it up” that would 100% go against everything he has done or said since his days at Pomona pitzer.

[vy65]

So you want them to accept blame, admit guilt and institute change while they face an open lawsuit? Yeah, no, not happening unless the Spurs feel like lighting money on fire.

For the record, I think it does sound like they need some procedures put in place to deal with this type of situation. If Wright was open to do whatever he wanted with her complaints, that's wrong.

That time has passed, which is further evidence as to how this whole situation has been bungled. Again, they fired Primo. That’s the biggest admission you’re going to get short of RC saying “we fucked up.”

They need to say something. Being mute is just going to allow conversations like this to fester, and with each passing day, make it seem like the organization does not care. At trial, what are the spurs gonna say, “we were quiet on all this because of the advice of counsel.” That makes them look even more culpable.

I don’t profess to know what or how they should say something. I do know that staying Kawhi on this makes them look culpable.

[tim_duncan_fan]

So basically, the Spurs thought this guy's jumpshot was so good (he doesn't have athleticism) that they were willing to put up with him waving his dick at staff members maybe more than once, maybe on several occasions with and before the Spurs. Goddamnit, this team is retarded sometimes.

[T Park]

If your lawyer says stay quiet, it doesn’t matter what some yahoo says on a message board. You don’t, nor should care other than what a legal rep says.

[vy65]

How was it handled though? Are you taking Buzzbee at face value, because that is fucking laughable.

IF they covered shit up or didn't handle it right, I agree with you, but I don't understand why you're speaking on like its fact.

I think everything said on the issue has to be taken with a grain of salt. There’s a fuckton we don’t know. For me, what is seemingly dispositive is the waiving of Primo. It’s hard for me to conceptualize this organization - with all its player loyalty shit over the years - doing that if he and the situation weren’t absolutely toxic.

[vy65]

If your lawyer says stay quiet, it doesn’t matter what some yahoo says on a message board. You don’t, nor should care other than what a legal rep says.

Juries think guilty people listen to their lawyers and innocent people have nothing to hide. Not saying it’s right. It’s just human nature.

[MannyIsGod]

I think everything said on the issue has to be taken with a grain of salt. There’s a fuckton we don’t know. For me, what is seemingly dispositive is the waiving of Primo. It’s hard for me to conceptualize this organization - with all its player loyalty shit over the years - doing that if he and the situation weren’t absolutely toxic.

i 100% agree with you on this. So much of it seems like bullshit, but I can't reconcile that with the waiving. That really makes me think that there's something to it.

[timvp]

Well if she was smart, and as a person at her level she should be, there will be documentation of her contacts each step of the way. They won't even need discovery to show a record of contact that Wright ignored.

But she doesn't know if Wright ignored it or whether he informed HR. That's a big difference that could be what determines whether Wright is in the clear or Wright gets fired. If Wright went out of his way to conceal the allegations, he's in hot water. But if others were in the mix in deciding to send Primo back to the mental health expert, that takes the heat off of Wright completely, IMO.

[MannyIsGod]

But she doesn't know if Wright ignored it or whether he informed HR. That's a big difference that could be what determines whether Wright is in the clear or Wright gets fired. If Wright went out of his way to conceal the allegations, he's in hot water. But if others were in the mix in deciding to send Primo back to the mental health expert, that takes the heat off of Wright completely, IMO.

Yeah but I find it much easier to believe that the guy who's job security rested on Primo being good (or at least not a fucking person capable of shit like this) covered things up then he let other people know and they didn't think to do anything. But in either of those scenarios, the Spurs are probably legally fucked to some degree. I mean its possible that they acted and undertook some action, but I find that hard to believe if she didn't get a meeting for months.

[rjv]

And how would the prep school allegation play into this if true, given that knowledge of an incident pre-draft would almost certainly be pertinent to the Spurs knowledge of pre-existing history for this behavior? And call into question every delay of action against him. And the Spurs promotion of him as the next face of the franchise. And the 3rd year option.

That story is the ultimate, you're fucked, if it pans out. And would undoubtedly make heads roll either for not knowing about it or for knowing it and then not acting with haste once a second, third, or fourth allegation became known.

By the way, quick prediction: If Primo has a penchant for doing this type of behavior, there are undoubtedly more fish in the sea that will come forward, even if the Spurs may have already paid off the Minnesota or Vegas victims

you might want to acquaint yourself with FERPA.

[Atl Spur]

Lol…… who knew we had some of the greatest legal minds on this board:) I can’t wait to see who ends up with the wright take!

[mo7888]

Juries think guilty people listen to their lawyers and innocent people have nothing to hide. Not saying it’s right. It’s just human nature.

I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way in reality. If the attorney does his job right the jury will be made up of 'adults' who can comprehend the reasoning behind an accused person listening to his attorney. This isn't going to be tried in the court of public opinion. The plaintiff's attorney will try to force that and being silent (or at least minimal comment) along with tactical leaks will thwart that.

[DPG21920]

What do you want them to say? Do you want them to apologize or do you want the HR paperwork to prove their side of the story? Would you accept Wright being fired as a sufficient comment? I can't imagine something productive they could say in this situation. The most they'd say is, ironically, "we are family and all families have problems but we're working on this in-house and making sure procedures are put in place," etc.

It’s not so much “what they say” but understanding fans deserve to have them say something because we are all in this together. That’s the schtick right? Spurs family. Thankful for the fans.

It shows a complete contempt for fans to basically say “you aren’t owed a damn thing” IMO. Do I think they are evil? No. Saying it does not sit well with me to hold fans in such low esteem you dont feel like you owe them anything despite not saying that when asking for money and doing promotions

[mo7888]

I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way in reality. If the attorney does his job right the jury will be made up of 'adults' who can comprehend the reasoning behind an accused person listening to his attorney. This isn't going to be tried in the court of public opinion. The plaintiff's attorney will try to force that and being silent (or at least minimal comment) along with tactical leaks will thwart that.

And just like that RC releases a statement along the lines I just laid out...

[DPG21920]

The Spurs face legal liability. There should be no correlation between them speaking about racism or whatever and them not following their lawyers' advice. Come on now.

There is absolute correlation. It’s not just racism. It’s about owners when they mess up and create “toxic workplace” and how players and coaches say “theres no place for that!”

Cant be a social justice warrior when it suits you.

[DPG21920]

Agreed. It's weird how Spurs fans and Spurs haters try to relate everything back to Pop saying mean things about Christopher Columbus or whatever.


What’s weird to me (you calling me a hater lol?) is acting like SA has absolutely zero obligation to fans regardless of circumstances.

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you might want to acquaint yourself with FERPA.

Lol. Any NBA franchise worth their salt is going to find out why he left that school and transferred either by aski g around or directly to the player. And once it's part of a background check process by a NBA franchise), it's open game in a civil or criminal proceeding. FERPA will be no hindrance on this in the least

[mo7888]

What’s weird to me (you calling me a hater lol?) is acting like SA has absolutely zero obligation to fans regardless of circumstances.

RC just put out a statement...

[rjv]

Lol…… who knew we had some of the greatest legal minds on this board:) I can’t wait to see who ends up with the wright take!

we also have an abundance of world renowned climatologists, economists and virologists.

[DPG21920]

Its pretty ridiculous to equate speaking out about structural inequalities in our society to pending litigation that might be aimed at them. Come the fuck on man.

They have no issues speaking about it when its owners etc with their own legal cases (Sarver etc..). This literally has to do with those same structural inequalities, no? Abuse of power, workplace culture how women are silenced and disregarded…its not any different just because its Spurs.

[Chinook]

There is absolute correlation. It’s not just racism. It’s about owners when they mess up and create “toxic workplace” and how players and coaches say “theres no place for that!”

Cant be a social justice warrior when it suits you.

Yes you can. Holy shit. People don't have to get sued just because they'd say something different under other circumstances. This attempt at connect is even worse than the Hong Kong shit from a few years ago

[timvp]

It shows a complete contempt for fans to basically say “you aren’t owed a damn thing” IMO. Do I think they are evil? No. Saying it does not sit well with me to hold fans in such low esteem you dont feel like you owe them anything despite not saying that when asking for money and doing promotions

I also get frustrated when the Spurs make major moves or make major decisions and then don't comment or provide reasoning. I've posted about that frustration before. For example, getting sort of comment on the Morris/Bertans fiasco would have been nice and it's what every other franchise in the league would do.

But this is a legal situation where saying anything only hurts their case. It's completely different and, in this situation, understandable, IMO.

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[vy65]

I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way in reality. If the attorney does his job right the jury will be made up of 'adults' who can comprehend the reasoning behind an accused person listening to his attorney. This isn't going to be tried in the court of public opinion. The plaintiff's attorney will try to force that and being silent (or at least minimal comment) along with tactical leaks will thwart that.

You’ve obviously never spoken to a jury

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[mo7888]

You’ve obviously never spoken to a jury

You obviously don't know me...

[DPG21920]

And I never said SA needs to gravel and admit guilt. Simply need to say something and not be so casual with dismissing fans as peons that don’t deserve even basic statements.

Rubs me the wrong way….but go off about how Im unreasonable and a hater lmao

[rjv]

Lol. Any NBA franchise worth their salt is going to find out why he left that school and transferred either by aski g around or directly to the player. And once it's part of a background check process by a NBA franchise), it's open game in a civil or criminal proceeding. FERPA will be no hindrance on this in the least

they can ask but any conduct that did not become known to the public cannot be released. the rest would be hearsay. i mean who do you suggest franchises ask? old classmates? you act as if digging up someone's high school past is normal process. imagine how many potential athletes (or any professional for that matter) would be removed from consideration for their high school conduct? most of the current alamo heights varsity football team is a perfect example.

[DPG21920]

Yes you can. Holy shit. People don't have to get sued just because they'd say something different under other circumstances. This attempt at connect is even worse than the Hong Kong shit from a few years ago


Nope. In your eyes. Thousands of San Antonio fans feel the disconnect and frustrations. I guess you speak for everyone on what is expected? Who said get sued either? I said it simply calls into question some of the character and marketing they do and youre being a bit of a gatekeeper on what fans should/should not find acceptable.

Doesn’t mean burn the franchise down guy

[mo7888]

And I never said SA needs to gravel and admit guilt. Simply need to say something and not be so casual with dismissing fans as peons that don’t deserve even basic statements.

Rubs me the wrong way….but go off about how Im unreasonable and a hater lmao

They just did say something...and it was all they needed to say at this juncture...

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we also have an abundance of world renowned climatologists, economists and virologists.

Lol. Get bent.

[rjv]

Yes you can. Holy shit. People don't have to get sued just because they'd say something different under other circumstances. This attempt at connect is even worse than the Hong Kong shit from a few years ago

the false equivalency fallacy has gained a lot of steam over the past decade.

[DPG21920]

I also get frustrated when the Spurs make major moves or make major decisions and then don't comment or provide reasoning. I've posted about that frustration before. For example, getting sort of comment on the Morris/Bertans fiasco would have been nice and it's what every other franchise in the league would do.

But this is a legal situation where saying anything only hurts their case. It's completely different and, in this situation, understandable, IMO.

Sure - Im not some idiot that does not understand the situation and how the legal aspect makes it trickier. Still does not sit well with me collectively that this type of issue has been an issue. Especially with something this serious.

But of course, in typical ST fashion, it’s “hurr durr, I feel this way so everyone who doesnt is an idiot!”

[MannyIsGod]

And I never said SA needs to gravel and admit guilt. Simply need to say something and not be so casual with dismissing fans as peons that don’t deserve even basic statements.

Rubs me the wrong way….but go off about how Im unreasonable and a hater lmao

I don't think you're a hater but I do think you're being unreasonable here. Most of what I hear Pop and others speak about is some form of racism or something political. They've probably spoken out about women being treated poorly before, and you're right that is a big issue, but I don't think their stance on that has changed? Its not like by letting the legal situation play out instead of giving a slimeball Buzzzbee the media war he wants they are going back on that. Thats why I think you're being really unreasonable here.

[Leetonidas]

RC Buford: "That's cap"

[rjv]

Lol. Get bent.

don't worry. i didn't include you in that. you're not renowned anywhere except here; in that you're the town idiot.

[DPG21920]

They just did say something...and it was all they needed to say at this juncture...

Good. Had they said something at all leading up to what I said? No.

Or now that they did say something do the nay sayers walk back that they “should not and will not” say anything?

[MannyIsGod]

we also have an abundance of world renowned climatologists, economists and virologists.

I have no idea what you do for a living I know for a fact that there are doctors, attorneys, and scientists (i am one of those climate scientists) who post here. Not sure why y'all are surprised by that.

[DPG21920]

the false equivalency fallacy has gained a lot of steam over the past decade.

How is this a false equivalency when its in the same area of workplace culture, rights etc…you want to say its legal and they cant say anything? Fine. That’s reasonable. But dont act like its any different than when players/coaches (not just spurs) speak up when its race, womens rights and especially workplace culture in the nba. That is a major, major topic these last few years with Mavs, Ime, Spurs now etc…

[MannyIsGod]

Good. Had they said something at all leading up to what I said? No.

Or now that they did say something do the nay sayers walk back that they “should not and will not” say anything?

I mean all RC was said Hey Buzzbee's not right. Did you really need them to say that to feel better that they speak out about racism? I mean come on man. This is weak. You are better than this.

[baseline bum]

I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way in reality. If the attorney does his job right the jury will be made up of 'adults' who can comprehend the reasoning behind an accused person listening to his attorney. This isn't going to be tried in the court of public opinion. The plaintiff's attorney will try to force that and being silent (or at least minimal comment) along with tactical leaks will thwart that.

Jury can do whatever in the hell they want. For instance I know if I ever get called to be on the jury of a non-violent drug case the state ain't getting a conviction unless the defendant is selling to ten year olds since I think prohibition is bullshit. I'd just lie when the lawyers are picking a jury.

[rjv]

I have no idea what you do for a living I know for a fact that there are doctors, attorneys, and scientists (i am one of those climate scientists) who post here. Not sure why y'all are surprised by that.

i didn't realize that we had so many "world renowned" professionals on this site. you'd think they'd have so little time to actually conduct their research considering the average amount of daily posts they have here on ST.

[mo7888]

Good. Had they said something at all leading up to what I said? No.

Or now that they did say something do the nay sayers walk back that they “should not and will not” say anything?

Yes, the did need to say something basic and limited. So everyone knows they feel like they will be vindicated when all the evidence is released and then just rely on their legal team. They just don't want to participate in a circus. It's pretty simple at this juncture.

[DPG21920]

I don't think you're a hater but I do think you're being unreasonable here. Most of what I hear Pop and others speak about is some form of racism or something political. They've probably spoken out about women being treated poorly before, and you're right that is a big issue, but I don't think their stance on that has changed? Its not like by letting the legal situation play out instead of giving a slimeball Buzzzbee the media war he wants they are going back on that. Thats why I think you're being really unreasonable here.

Maybe - I know its a legal issue. But, even outside of just spurs, players pile on owners for creating toxic workplace environments but when a player hits their wife? Crickets.

Beyond that aspect, its an issue with Spurs, even outside of legal issues, that they hold fans in contempt and dont feel we deserve any explanations etc..its built up frustration leading to this event.

I still think, like what RC just said, is basic and can be done without making fans feel shit on personally. Dont think thats a hot take IMO

[timvp]

What’s weird to me (you calling me a hater lol?) is acting like SA has absolutely zero obligation to fans regardless of circumstances.

Bruh, I wasn't calling you a hater. I even put "Spurs fans" in that line you quoted.

I agree that 99% of the time it's annoying when they don't talk when it's stuff we'd actually like to know as fans ....... but in this specific case, detailing what did or didn't happen wouldn't be wise.

[T Park]

What’s weird to me (you calling me a hater lol?) is acting like SA has absolutely zero obligation to fans regardless of circumstances.

They have zero obligation to ignore what their legal counsel says. They’re a business entity.

[vy65]

You obviously don't know me...

Never said I did, but if you’re as naive as that post, then I stand by what I said.

[MannyIsGod]

i didn't realize that we had so many "world renowned" professionals on this site. you'd think they'd have so little time to actually conduct their research considering the average amount of daily posts they have here on ST.

Apparently there's a lot you don't know. Sorry that you don't know any professionals man.

[DPG21920]

I mean all RC was said Hey Buzzbee's not right. Did you really need them to say that to feel better that they speak out about racism? I mean come on man. This is weak. You are better than this.


Where did I say they should not speak out about racism, womens rights, workplace culture etc.? I said they are RIGHT in doing so. And that it’s disappointing that when its at their doorstep, amongst always doing this regardless, that they stay silent as hell and we just eat it?

Im only saying this pattern of speaking up should not die because it happened to you. Right is right, wrong is wrong and its ok to say “something’s happened that led to Primos release and we do care about workplace culture. Due to the sensitive nature we cant say more but hope to show that we value everyone”

[mo7888]

Jury can do whatever in the hell they want. For instance I know if I ever get called to be on the jury of a non-violent drug case the state ain't getting a conviction unless the defendant is selling to ten year olds since I think prohibition is bullshit. I'd just lie when the lawyers are picking a jury.

Yea...some people lie to get on a jury for sure...but a good legal team has people who are well versed in determining who's lying. They'll ask baseline (no pun based on your name) questions and then more material ones to measure responses.... so what I'm saying is that it's the legal teams job to avoid having those people on the jury.

[MannyIsGod]

Maybe - I know its a legal issue. But, even outside of just spurs, players pile on owners for creating toxic workplace environments but when a player hits their wife? Crickets.

Beyond that aspect, its an issue with Spurs, even outside of legal issues, that they hold fans in contempt and dont feel we deserve any explanations etc..its built up frustration leading to this event.

I still think, like what RC just said, is basic and can be done without making fans feel shit on personally. Dont think thats a hot take IMO

I see what you're saying. I have no problem with them being outspoken on events and I understand why they're quiet here and don't equate that with the silence on other things but I see your point. The Spurs will probably lose a lot of their shine on this either way unless Buzzbee is 100% full of shit so maybe things will change.

[rjv]

How is this a false equivalency when its in the same area of workplace culture, rights etc…you want to say its legal and they cant say anything? Fine. That’s reasonable. But dont act like its any different than when players/coaches (not just spurs) speak up when its race, womens rights and especially workplace culture in the nba. That is a major, major topic these last few years with Mavs, Ime, Spurs now etc…

you see, this is an example of another popular fallacy. it's called the strawman.

[timvp]

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Yeah, that Buzbee timeline is the crux of this specific case. If that timeline is wrong and the Spurs can prove it, the case falls apart (from a liability standpoint) pretty fast, IMO.

[mo7888]

Never said I did, but if you’re as naive as that post, then I stand by what I said.

Lol... ok..

[MannyIsGod]

Where did I say they should not speak out about racism, womens rights, workplace culture etc.? I said they are RIGHT in doing so. And that it’s disappointing that when its at their doorstep, amongst always doing this regardless, that they stay silent as hell and we just eat it?

Im only saying this pattern of speaking up should not die because it happened to you. Right is right, wrong is wrong and its ok to say “something’s happened that led to Primos release and we do care about workplace culture. Due to the sensitive nature we cant say more but hope to show that we value everyone”

I mean they did waive the dude so I'm not sure that the silence is all that damning.

[rjv]

Apparently there's a lot you don't know. Sorry that you don't know any professionals man.

can you name me some of these "world renowned" professionals that spend half of their day on ST?

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don't worry. i didn't include you in that. you're not renowned anywhere except here; in that you're the town idiot.

You seem to think stating what one does for a living or what degrees soneone has equates to claiming to be "world renowned"

1. It was unnecessary and uncalled for
2. Do you dispute the science on climate change or virology, etc because then you and your idiocy makes more sense.
3. Town idiot? Do tell. Because I demand consistency and forthright behavior from my favorite sports team? Who btw, more closely align with my own political views? I pity you.

[DPG21920]

I guess, when it comes to holding fans in low esteem, I dont give Sa benefit of the doubt that its just because “its legal” reasons. They do this all the time and its wrong and sends a bs message to fans IMO.

The linkage to all the social justice stuff (thought this was obvious but obviously not) was not that they are hypocrites for speaking out but that its bs to speak about other teams/owners when it pops up but not your own team. Nothing about that suggests speaking up is wrong etc…the link was doing it when it happens to other teams (not just Spurs players/coaches, but all nba players)

There’s this ironic “back the blue” mentality when it comes to players/coaches which is exactly what drives a lot of the issues players/coaches speak up about. But that neither here nor there..just an aside

[MannyIsGod]

can you name me some of these "world renowned" professionals that spend half of their day on ST?

I don't know anyone who spends half their day on Spurstalk. I also didn't say anything about "world renowned" whatever the fuck that even means. I just know there are a lot of people here who actually know their shit and you seem to have some doubt of that. There are lawyers in this very thread posting right now my dude. Its not that complicated that you have to try and make this a thing.

[DPG21920]

I mean they did waive the dude so I'm not sure that the silence is all that damning.

I have not once condemned Spurs for their actions (I know y’all all dont do twitter but have posted a lot there as y’all know). Im strictly speaking of the relationship with fans and how they come off with regards to thinking fans are never owed any explanation.

[MannyIsGod]

I have not once condemned Spurs for their actions (I know y’all all dont do twitter but have posted a lot there as y’all know). Im strictly speaking of the relationship with fans and how they come off with regards to thinking fans are never owed any explanation.

Gotcha. I think we just miscommunicated some then. I would like more info too, and I wish I knew what the fuck was up because it all seems incredibly confusing. Hopefully we'll get more clarity on the subject soon.

[DPG21920]

Im of the mindset SA, especially because this entire enterprise relationship with fans is built on “spurs family, fans, respect etc), that SA needs to be a bit more transparent and less dismissive towards fans in this regards.

Sure, I understand that even in some cases a generic response does not change anything in reality…But at least its some basic effort lol. Sometimes that is enough.

[Kurgan]

I'd hate for Wright to go out like this(just because i dont really want a guys career derailed over something with this stigma) however, it won't be hard to replace him with somebody within our FO tree if you will..

Primo was his pick. It was his job to interview, investigate, and evaluate all aspects of this person. It's a pretty bad look to have "drafting a sexual predator that led to an embarrassing lawsuit" on your resume. I'd fire him just because of how awful the pick was.

If he had knowledge of Primo's conduct for a year and did nothing about it, that's much, much worse. The fucker needs to be blacklisted by the NBA entirely. If these allegations are true, this could be disastrous for the franchise. If they lose in court and the lawsuit is found to be accurate, the NBA may penalize them. Front office and HR staff would need to be replaced.

[Kurgan]

It's just mind boggling that a franchise that goes on and on about "character" and "culture" could draft a garbage human being like Josh Primo. And then cover up his misconduct by dumping the psychologist.

[The Truth #6]

My issue with the Spurs is soley how they deal with the media typically. I agree that their reticence here is wise and appropriate being a legal proceeding. I guess for me it seems like they (generally speaking) don't like interacting with the media, and I find that out of step with the progressive values Pop espouses. The media is part of the 1st Amendment and treating them like lapdogs (at least the local ones) seems disengenuous.

[DPG21920]

It's just mind boggling that a franchise that goes on and on about "character" and "culture" could draft a garbage human being like Josh Primo. And then cover up his misconduct by dumping the psychologist.

I dont know how anyone can knock them for that. I hated the pick; but this is a player that would have been drafted by any team eventually and spurs definitely do more than any team with regards to due diligence and character. It was not a Spurs issue there; just bad luck and/or Wright going way rogue and not adhering to what SA has done well for so long to call his shot/make his mark.

[rjv]

You seem to think stating what one does for a living or what degrees soneone has equates to claiming to be "world renowned"

1. It was unnecessary and uncalled for

"get bent"


2. Do you dispute the science on climate change or virology, etc because then you and your idiocy makes more sense. i do not dispute the science on climate change or peer reviewed findings in virology. My brother happens to be a virologist (who spends no time on this forum, btw).


3. Town idiot? Do tell. Because I demand consistency and forthright behavior from my favorite sports team? Who btw, more closely align with my own political views? I pity you. we should all demand this behavior, from our elected officials on to any professional organization. but i have no idea where you inferred my pointed remarks as one that questions your moral positions in life. i mean, imagine if i purported to demand courtesy and kindness to all and then told people to get bent or offered them my pity as if to suggest they were beneath me. that would surely make my behavior rather inconsistent. i'd rather just offer sarcasm and barbs. i mean, it's not as if ST is the dialectical equivalent to Habermas' "public sphere".

[timvp]

Im of the mindset SA, especially because this entire enterprise relationship with fans is built on “spurs family, fans, respect etc), that SA needs to be a bit more transparent and less dismissive towards fans in this regards.

Sure, I understand that even in some cases a generic response does not change anything in reality…But at least its some basic effort lol. Sometimes that is enough.

I guess the bottom line is I agree with this sentiment ... but this case is legal and the Spurs can't release any details. Next time the Spurs are frustratingly silent on a topic they should talk about, I'll be with you in calling them out :tu

Buford's statement was more than I thought they'd say but it doesn't say anything other than deny the timeline.

[DPG21920]

I guess the bottom line is I agree with this sentiment ... but this case is legal and the Spurs can't release any details. Next time the Spurs are frustratingly silent on a topic they should talk about, I'll be with you in calling them out :tu

Buford's statement was more than I thought they'd say but it doesn't say anything other than deny the timeline.

:toast

[rjv]

I don't know anyone who spends half their day on Spurstalk. I also didn't say anything about "world renowned" whatever the fuck that even means. I just know there are a lot of people here who actually know their shit and you seem to have some doubt of that. There are lawyers in this very thread posting right now my dude. Its not that complicated that you have to try and make this a thing.

i know you didn't say anything about "world renowned" because i did. it was my sarcastic response to another poster's rather astute, and also sardonic comment. when you decided to take that comment more seriously than it was ever meant to be taken as, you pointed out that there are plenty of doctors and lawyers and such (and then for some reason wondered what i do for a living-as if that has anything to do with it), i merely reminded you that i had initially stated "world renowned". and i've been on ST long enough to know that there are plenty of posters on this forum who post a lot of crap in regards to a great deal of topics such as the economy, viruses, vaccines, race relations, history, psychology, how to run a front office, and, in this case, public relations and tort law. there's enough bullshit and false information on this law to merit a sarcastic reference that labels such morons as "world renowned", with apologies to all the legit professionals who do offer their insight on this forum.

[Mugen]

I'm glad it sounds like they're fighting it tbh. Never settle.

(though they're probably gonna end up settling :lol)

[R. DeMurre]

My issue with the Spurs is soley how they deal with the media typically. I agree that their reticence here is wise and appropriate being a legal proceeding. I guess for me it seems like they (generally speaking) don't like interacting with the media, and I find that out of step with the progressive values Pop espouses. The media is part of the 1st Amendment and treating them like lapdogs (at least the local ones) seems disengenuous.


Gotta agree with this. Pop is smart enough to be able to use his sense of humor to deflect bad questions, or simply be bemused by it all, understanding that it really doesn't matter that much. Is he really shocked that a 25 year old reporter isn't as wise as a 73 year old coach on the topic of basketball? Would he tell his grandkids that their questions are stupid? Being nicer is not going to change his ability to coach an NBA team. He has even joked in the past about his wife saying he should try to be nicer to interviewers. There's definitely a dichotomy in Pop's personality between wanting to be a progressive who respects all people and perspectives and being an ex-military type who has no issue rolling his eyes in people's faces and telling them they're idiots. And RC and Brian don't seem to enjoy dealing with the media at all, and always seem on the verge of running out of the room to avoid any kind of more meaningful interactions. Contrast that with someone like Steve Kerr, who is usually willing to give serious explanations about most decisions and controversies while also allowing for times to crack jokes and have fun with the media.

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"get bent"

i do not dispute the science on climate change or peer reviewed findings in virology. My brother happens to be a virologist (who spends no time on this forum, btw).

we should all demand this behavior, from our elected officials on to any professional organization. but i have no idea where you inferred my pointed remarks as one that questions your moral positions in life. i mean, imagine if i purported to demand courtesy and kindness to all and then told people to get bent or offered them my pity as if to suggest they were beneath me. that would surely make my behavior rather inconsistent. i'd rather just offer sarcasm and barbs. i mean, it's not as if ST is the dialectical equivalent to Habermas' "public sphere".

I only said get bent after your dig on professionals (world renowned, which no one claimed anything of the sort ever) in here and I had no doubt you were directing it squarely at me given I detailed my education like 2 days ago and your first dig was at climatologists in here. Plus as I re all you might have been the one asking me about it.

Your intention was clear and your dig came before I ever even responded to you. Nice try though. And while it might not be Habermas' public sphere, your desire to undermine any effort at informed dialigue by knocking the educational attainment of others here only makes you look like a fool.

[biba]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1588253626275102720/photo/1

Guys, well some of you. Instead of delighting yourself in the demise of SA Spurs have you read RC Buford statement ?

For all who believe in the good guys that's great news.

- Spurs "disagree with the accuracy, details and timeline" ... Well to make such a statement Buford has to feel on solid ground.

- Spurs don't pay Buzzbee : they will allow the legal process to play out. That's a proof of the Spurs culture : we don't kneel. We stand our ground.

- "We will continue to live by our values and culture" : Strong affirmation of Spurs way of being.

Of course this doesn't play well for the fake Spurs fans who wish the FO hell.

This short statement doesn't appear to come from a weak, hurt, damaged organization but from one who will fight according to its strong values.

We'll see. It's just the beginning.

[rjv]

I guess the bottom line is I agree with this sentiment ... but this case is legal and the Spurs can't release any details. Next time the Spurs are frustratingly silent on a topic they should talk about, I'll be with you in calling them out :tu

Buford's statement was more than I thought they'd say but it doesn't say anything other than deny the timeline.

i think this is the very point that should be repeated time and time again because it will be ignored time and time again. there is not much the spurs can say at this time and this is the only position they can take at this moment. but this silence will facilitate even more speculation and accusations, none of which are verified by such silence and speculation.

[Mugen]

All time thread btw, this is going to be gold for years to come :lol

[rjv]

I only said get bent after your dig on professionals (world renowned, which no one claimed anything of the sort ever) in here and I had no doubt you were directing it squarely at me given I detailed my education like 2 days ago and your first dig was at climatologists in here. Plus as I re all you might have been the one asking me about it.

Your intention was clear and your dig came before I ever even responded to you. Nice try though. And while it might not be Habermas' public sphere, your desire to undermine any effort at informed dialigue by knocking the educational attainment of others here only makes you look like a fool.

so it all went wrong when you mistook sarcasm for sarkazein. i would think that a "dig" falls into the latter category. i would have to say that there is a certain situational irony here in your demand for informed dialogue when this really isn't even a dialogue.

[mo7888]

Primo was his pick. It was his job to interview, investigate, and evaluate all aspects of this person. It's a pretty bad look to have "drafting a sexual predator that led to an embarrassing lawsuit" on your resume. I'd fire him just because of how awful the pick was.

If he had knowledge of Primo's conduct for a year and did nothing about it, that's much, much worse. The fucker needs to be blacklisted by the NBA entirely. If these allegations are true, this could be disastrous for the franchise. If they lose in court and the lawsuit is found to be accurate, the NBA may penalize them. Front office and HR staff would need to be replaced.

I'm not disputing any of that, I'm just saying I hope the facts aren't as you describe, and he doesn't end up getting fired on those grounds, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

[Chinook]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1588253626275102720/photo/1

Guys, well some of you. Instead of delighting yourself in the demise of SA Spurs have you read RC Buford statement ?

For all who believe in the good guys that's great news.

- Spurs "disagree with the accuracy, details and timeline" ... Well to make such a statement Buford has to feel on solid ground.

- Spurs don't pay Buzzbee : they will allow the legal process to play out. That's a proof of the Spurs culture : we don't kneel. We stand our ground.

- "We will continue to live by our values and culture" : Strong affirmation of Spurs way of being.

Of course this doesn't play well for the fake Spurs fans who wish the FO hell.

This short statement doesn't appear to come from a weak, hurt, damaged organization but from one who will fight according to its strong values.

We'll see. It's just the beginning.

This isn't a game man. We shouldn't support the Spurs because we support them on the basketball court. They're a group of real people in a legal battle against another just-as-real person. I'm not rooting for anything but truth and compensation based on the truth. I still like the Spurs, but I want to see them punished if they are guilty. If that happens I'll still be a fan of the team.

[Chinook]

What sucks is that had they just suspended and fined Primo, he might've gotten the message the first time and still been with the team.

[Arcadian]

How does one flash a therapist during a therapy session without it just being silly and awkward? Are we talking about an aggressive type of flashing, like "look at this, bitch!" Or just a random awkward dropping of the pants? :lol

[rjv]

What sucks is that had they just suspended and fined Primo, he might've gotten the message the first time and still been with the team.

maybe. but if he does have an issue, which i have no idea if he does or what it is, i don't know that he really would have. there have been plenty of athletes with compulsive behavior that never really responded to suspensions in the manner hoped.

[rjv]

This isn't a game man. We shouldn't support the Spurs because we support them on the basketball court. They're a group of real people in a legal battle against another just-as-real person. I'm not rooting for anything but truth and compensation based on the truth. I still like the Spurs, but I want to see them punished if they are guilty. If that happens I'll still be a fan of the team.

:bobo

[FkLA]

What if this is all an elaborate plan to get the team to Austin? Clean house, relocate. Call it a fresh start.


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[rjv]

What if this is all an elaborate plan to get the team to Austin? Clean house, relocate. Call it a fresh start.


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so it all went wrong when you mistook sarcasm for sarkazein. i would think that a "dig" falls into the latter category. i would have to say that there is a certain situational irony here in your demand for informed dialogue when this really isn't even a dialogue.

Discussion. Give and take. Interchange. Back and forth.
Debate. Have words. Etc. Better Habermas?

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How does one flash a therapist during a therapy session without it just being silly and awkward? Are we talking about an aggressive type of flashing, like "look at this, bitch!" Or just a random awkward dropping of the pants? :lol

That'll come out in the court filing and/or charging documents assuming Bexar County charges him.

[rjv]

Discussion. Give and take. Interchange. Back and forth.
Debate. Have words. Etc. Better Habermas?

well it's not a dialectic, at least not in the Hegelian sense. back and forth works. i would have suggested banter.

[Kurgan]

maybe. but if he does have an issue, which i have no idea if he does or what it is, i don't know that he really would have. there have been plenty of athletes with compulsive behavior that never really responded to suspensions in the manner hoped.

If the psychologist was a man, would Primo still have flashed him? Probably not, which makes Primo's behavior that much more disgusting. I don't think a slap on the wrist can fix a sexual predator. I would have requested some type of rehab and a minimum one year suspension. If that doesn't get it through his thick head, waive him and request the NBA to blacklist him.

[Mugen]

What if this is all an elaborate plan to get the team to Austin? Clean house, relocate. Call it a fresh start.


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Screw Austin, let's get them to Vegas bay!

[rjv]

How does one flash a therapist during a therapy session without it just being silly and awkward? Are we talking about an aggressive type of flashing, like "look at this, bitch!" Or just a random awkward dropping of the pants? :lol

it seems as if the defense is posturing that primo inadvertently revealed his privates. this wouldn't have been a problem in the old NBA, before the baggy shorts look. i mean she might have seen a bulge but there's no way anything would have just popped out.

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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1588253626275102720/photo/1

Guys, well some of you. Instead of delighting yourself in the demise of SA Spurs have you read RC Buford statement ?

For all who believe in the good guys that's great news.

- Spurs "disagree with the accuracy, details and timeline" ... Well to make such a statement Buford has to feel on solid ground.

- Spurs don't pay Buzzbee : they will allow the legal process to play out. That's a proof of the Spurs culture : we don't kneel. We stand our ground.

- "We will continue to live by our values and culture" : Strong affirmation of Spurs way of being.

Of course this doesn't play well for the fake Spurs fans who wish the FO hell.

This short statement doesn't appear to come from a weak, hurt, damaged organization but from one who will fight according to its strong values.

We'll see. It's just the beginning.

No defendent is ever going to say, welp you have us nailed on all points. Game over for us.

I will grant you that since they didn't just pay already they might actually believe it. It could also be they're hoping it's just the therapist vs Primo and that there are no others or that they've already paid off any other accusers to keep this as a 1:1 accusation. If they're smart, and someone else already said it, they've already silenced other accusers. Which may be the readon thay Buzbee went public so those women come to him rather than to the Spurs or to the press first. All it'll take is one corroborated story from someone else and it's game over for Buzbee and some head or heads will roll.

[rjv]

If the psychologist was a man, would Primo still have flashed him? Probably not, which makes Primo's behavior that much more disgusting. I don't think a slap on the wrist can fix a sexual predator. I would have requested some type of rehab and a minimum one year suspension. If that doesn't get it through his thick head, waive him and request the NBA to blacklist him.

i see what you did there. seriously though, exhibitionism is real dysfunction so i agree that a suspension would likely have not worked. so much to gauge here but i am no expert and only know sparse details.

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I'm glad it sounds like they're fighting it tbh. Never settle.

(though they're probably gonna end up settling :lol)

Yes, you know they'll settle. Only outstanding question is for how much and then most importantly if it impacts the jobs of any PATFO officials.

[mystargtr34]

Did he also talk about the murder?

:lol if so he can use me as his source

[tbdog]

Can I get a summary please?

[Mugen]

Yes, you know they'll settle. Only outstanding question is for how much and then most importantly if it impacts the jobs of any PATFO officials.

"for how much" - Public will never know

"if it impacts the jobs of any PATFO officials." - based on that presser, maybe BWrong at most and some other internal employees that nobody has ever heard of tbh

[Mugen]

Can I get a summary please?

Decapitated. Whole big thing. We had a funeral for a bird.

[Das Texan]

Ya I'm going to take what Tony Buzbee says at face value as 100% true.

Um, no.

The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

Primo probably first showed his prick in December to her, whether she went straight to HR after this, who knows.

I'm sure the timelines are a little off and there are a lot hurt feelings along the way which is obviously driving this. Would Bright Wrong try to cover this up since Primo was his guy? Maybe. Maybe not.

As stated before, I"m sure there were discussions to look into the story, they couldnt verify it and they basically said, look its he said she said, we cant really do anything at this point.

ASked her if this happened to provide more evidence, she couldnt. She kept making this a problem, Spurs probably felt since there is nobody else saying anything is it really happening?

Whether she wants to accept it or not, Spurs are going to take his word (or any other player) over hers if she is the only voice signing about this.

I have no doubt Popovich didnt know until last week or soon before, at which time the internal investigation really heated up, they found and could substantiate things and booted Primo.

Spurs could have also heard from other players that they didnt like the therapist, werent getting anything out of it, felt they needed a different therapist, I dont know. My guess is they didnt renew her contract but they used other reasons for the non renewal and its a butt hurt mentality, she sought out numerous attorneys to take a case like this, only Buzbee would take it. A little surprising no San Antonio attorney took the case but also not surprising I guess.

Spurs will eventually settle

Spurs will fire some people.

Spurs will announce some policy about future standards in case these things ever happen again.

We all move on, hopefully all parties can find happiness and success in whatever they do going forward.

[scott]

RC's statement is exactly the right one. He's basically saying that Buzbee's presentation of the facts does not align with theirs. The public isn't the place to dispute the facts.

Where will the facts be disputed/argued over:

1. Spurs Counsel and Buzbee will continue to talk. Spurs will say "here is our version of events and why we think your case won't prevail. Because of this, we'll offer you settlement of $X"
2. They'll either negotiate a settlement, or they won't. If they won't, the Spurs will respond to the complaint with their set of facts, and then everyone will get to read them. But it won't be in full detail, as the Spurs aren't going to tip their entire hand before pre-trial motions. Until this time, there is ZERO interest in the Spurs making anything public.

Spurs of ya'll expecting the Spurs to issue you a detailed memo are wild.

[mystargtr34]

"Get over yourselves" :pop:

If this goes to trial maybe the Spurs can bring Pop to the witness stand and he can tell the judge to get over himself.

[DPG21920]

timvp what is your take on Spurs picking up Primos option just a few weeks before release?

Pop really didn’t know and Wright kept it under wraps and didnt say anything? Primo didnt have anything else come to light after initial report and only after (just bad luck?) another incident reported and Spurs had to let him go?

[tbdog]

Well there is the four seasons rumour where he was kicked out of the hotel for flashing himself to a cleaner or something. Someone on reddit said this before anything was known. And then there was the leak that primo exposed himself to multiple women.