Atlanta Hawks 2025 Draft Pick Watch

[Mugen]

F'n Cs

[LeBowen]

Trae is the problem?

[exstatic]

Trae is the problem?

Well, he damn sure ain’t the solution…

[Mitch Cumsteen]

I watched a good part of that game. It was mostly the Celtics coming out unfocused and then not executing at the end of the game. Tatum missed a wide open three that was halfway down that probably wins the game for them, and then they followed it up with a bad turnover. Atlanta is an interesting defensive team when Young isn't playing. You can switch Daniels, Risacher, Johnson, Nance Okongwu, and even Keaton Wallace a bit. They are a lot more difficult to attack, but they had no business scoring 117 on Boston with that lineup and Young out. It was a bad loss for the C's.

I find myself more emotionally invested in the outcomes of Hawks games than the Spurs right now.

[spursparker9]

Hawks led Wizards by 9. Half time.

[spurraider21]

Dyson Daniels and 2 first rounders for Dejounte looks like such a great deal for ATL right now lol

[LeBowen]

Dyson Daniels and 2 first rounders for Dejounte looks like such a great deal for ATL right now lol

Teams that trade for DJ just keep taking Ls, tbh.

[onechance87]

fck hawks top 5 in the east.Have a good chance to move into top 3.Guess we should prepare for pick in 20s

[exstatic]

fck hawks top 5 in the east.Have a good chance to move into top 3.Guess we should prepare for pick in 20s

It’s REALLY early to be making an assessment like that. They and Charlotte were swapping places with each win and loss, going from like pick 8 to pick 15 overnight. A 2 or 3 game skid will put them right back in the mid lottery. The East is so bad that every WC team is huddled at the end of the lottery.

[onechance87]

It’s REALLY early to be making an assessment like that. They and Charlotte were swapping places with each win and loss, going from like pick 8 to pick 15 overnight. A 2 or 3 game skid will put them right back in the mid lottery. The East is so bad that every WC team is huddled at the end of the lottery.

atl players getting healthy and daniels playing like a allstar.Looks like at any moment the 76ers,heat and pacers could go
full tank mode.Also atl has no reason to tank compared to others.

[Dejounte]

They said G League players couldn’t play :lmao

[BatManu20]

Spurs not even going to have a single top-15 pick this year at this rate. How shitty. This team is still devoid of top-end talent. Guess we’ll have to hope to land a big fish in Free Agency at some point in order to get Wemby some real help. Will definitely be tougher that way. Or maybe we we luck out and land a steal in the mid-round. We’ll see.

Good news is Wemby is the type of talent guys will want to play with, so there’s a decent chance we eventually sign a big fish Free Agent down the road imo.

[Dejounte]

Spurs not even going to have a single top-15 pick this year at this rate. How shitty. This team is still devoid of top-end talent. Guess we’ll have to hope to land a big fish in Free Agency at some point in order to get Wemby some real help. Will definitely be tougher that way. Or maybe we we luck out and land a steal in the mid-round. We’ll see.

Wemby, Castle, Sochan, Vassell are all top end talent. You don’t need top end talent from 1 to 15. After LeBron, AD, there’s Reaves, Russell, and who? Knecht, maybe one day? But the rest of that roster isn’t top end talent. Same for many of the best teams in the league. Nobody remembers the names of the players after the top four. If you’re saying we need even better players than Sochan or Vassell, then it’s going to take even more years to get there since most of the time it takes three years to get to that level.

[LeBowen]

Spurs not even going to have a single top-15 pick this year at this rate.

We're not making the playoffs, which means we're guaranteed a lottery pick.
Hawks will definitely be in the play in, if they make the playoffs they'll have a worse record than West playoff teams, meaning worst case scenario we get a #16-18 pick from them.

We got a ton of assets, if PATFO thinks there's a player in #5-10 range that's a must get and a perfect fit, we can get him. Might be an overpay, but that's what you do to get your guy.


Wemby, Castle, Sochan, Vassell are all top end talent. You don’t need top end talent from 1 to 15. After LeBron, AD, there’s Reaves, Russell, and who? Knecht, maybe one day? But the rest of that roster isn’t top end talent. Same for many of the best teams in the league. Nobody remembers the names of the players after the top four. If you’re saying we need even better players than Sochan or Vassell, then it’s going to take even more years to get there since most of the time it takes three years to get to that level.

OKC is the blueprint for everyone, outside SGA and Chet their picks were fairly low.
Williams was #12, Dort was undrafted, Wiggins was #55, Joe was #49 and Wallace was #10.

We have #1, #4, #9, #11 as our core guys.
We can't ask for more and if things are to even out, we deserve to drop down in every single draft for like a decade.

[spursparker9]

Spurs not even going to have a single top-15 pick this year at this rate. How shitty. This team is still devoid of top-end talent. Guess we’ll have to hope to land a big fish in Free Agency at some point in order to get Wemby some real help. Will definitely be tougher that way. Or maybe we we luck out and land a steal in the mid-round. We’ll see.

Good news is Wemby is the type of talent guys will want to play with, so there’s a decent chance we eventually sign a big fish Free Agent down the road imo.


East is too weak, so can't depend on Hawks anymore. The only way to get top 15 pick is...

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[paperboy77]

Spurs not even going to have a single top-15 pick this year at this rate. How shitty. This team is still devoid of top-end talent. Guess we’ll have to hope to land a big fish in Free Agency at some point in order to get Wemby some real help. Will definitely be tougher that way. Or maybe we we luck out and land a steal in the mid-round. We’ll see.

Good news is Wemby is the type of talent guys will want to play with, so there’s a decent chance we eventually sign a big fish Free Agent down the road imo.


I really wish they'd put a package together and even over pay for a great player. A current alpha. Do that and there will be a great chance pretty good players will hop on board. I think we've figured out which of our "young" players are worth keeping.

[Bruno]

espn has a statistical projection record tool:
https://www.espn.com/nba/bpi/_/view/projections

Right now, they project Spurs to end with the 7th, 9th and 15th picks in the 2025 draft.

[LeBowen]

I really wish they'd put a package together and even over pay for a great player. A current alpha. Do that and there will be a great chance pretty good players will hop on board. I think we've figured out which of our "young" players are worth keeping.

The issue is that there are so few wings that fit the timeline on the market.
Let's say we're looking at legit starters or better who are 28 or younger.
Which wings you can even think of?
Cam Johnson is probably the best player available, but would you use 2 FRPs on a 28 year old averaging 16/4/2 on 46/36/89?

[onechance87]

espn has a statistical projection record tool:
https://www.espn.com/nba/bpi/_/view/projections

Right now, they project Spurs to end with the 7th, 9th and 15th picks in the 2025 draft.

playing with my emotions

[stnick2261]

espn has a statistical projection record tool:
https://www.espn.com/nba/bpi/_/view/projections

Right now, they project Spurs to end with the 7th, 9th and 15th picks in the 2025 draft.

Need to post that in the 2025 Draft thread. With that ending, we just need one of those (7 or 9) to hit the top 4 lottery to make my dream realistic.

[paperboy77]

The issue is that there are so few wings that fit the timeline on the market.
Let's say we're looking at legit starters or better who are 28 or younger.
Which wings you can even think of?
Cam Johnson is probably the best player available, but would you use 2 FRPs on a 28 year old averaging 16/4/2 on 46/36/89?

I'm still thinking someone like Trae Young, Donavan Mitchel or Lillard are big time shot makers that I bet could be pried. I'm not too worried about the "timeline" because you can maximize the roster and tweak it as necessary since Wemby is the constant. Even someone like a Tyler Hero isn't scared and seems to have the ability to play clutch. We can't just stand pat and hope something happens. Wemby is all world but the guy needs a big brother out there. Also, can he really be the top dog on offense and defense and be that at a high level most of the time? I don't think so and I don't think that's how we should do it. (I thought we should have made a play for PG13!)

The good thing is we have Castle and Wemby who in my book are non negotiable while others are actually good enough to package along with picks. For the guys i mentioned, neither would Vessel.

If we stand still what do you think we will be doing next season to become championship caliber?

[BackHome]

espn has a statistical projection record tool:
https://www.espn.com/nba/bpi/_/view/projections

Right now, they project Spurs to end with the 7th, 9th and 15th picks in the 2025 draft.

That would be a massive upgrade in talent

[BackHome]

I'm still thinking someone like Trae Young, Donavan Mitchel or Lillard are big time shot makers that I bet could be pried. I'm not too worried about the "timeline" because you can maximize the roster and tweak it as necessary since Wemby is the constant. Even someone like a Tyler Hero isn't scared and seems to have the ability to play clutch. We can't just stand pat and hope something happens. Wemby is all world but the guy needs a big brother out there. Also, can he really be the top dog on offense and defense and be that at a high level most of the time? I don't think so and I don't think that's how we should do it. (I thought we should have made a play for PG13!)

The good thing is we have Castle and Wemby who in my book are non negotiable while others are actually good enough to package along with picks. For the guys i mentioned, neither would Vessel.

If we stand still what do you think we will be doing next season to become championship caliber?

For me the biggest issue and concern is who is going to replace Pop?

[sfernald]

espn has a statistical projection record tool:
https://www.espn.com/nba/bpi/_/view/projections

Right now, they project Spurs to end with the 7th, 9th and 15th picks in the 2025 draft.

if they got picks #7, #9 and #12 as it predicts right now I’m not sure what the fuck they would do. They would have to give those picks away for cash to retain Branham, Wesley and Cidy I guess.

[Mal]

espn has a statistical projection record tool:
https://www.espn.com/nba/bpi/_/view/projections

Right now, they project Spurs to end with the 7th, 9th and 15th picks in the 2025 draft.

Draft and stash 1st rounder, smh.

It has to be trade bait, take best prospect with highest pick, pack middle pick with expiring contracts like Barnes, Collins, Keldon, stash or trade away lowest. Next year, they cant fuck around with brand new rookies in rotation.

[CGD]

espn has a statistical projection record tool:
https://www.espn.com/nba/bpi/_/view/projections

Right now, they project Spurs to end with the 7th, 9th and 15th picks in the 2025 draft.

The East being so weak right now is simultaneously good for our chances of getting one of CHA/CHI picks (maybe both?), but also bad for the quality of the ATL one. Right now, I think I take the additional pick over a less interesting ATL pick, which we are already guaranteed.

[sfernald]

I'm still thinking someone like Trae Young, Donavan Mitchel or Lillard are big time shot makers that I bet could be pried. I'm not too worried about the "timeline" because you can maximize the roster and tweak it as necessary since Wemby is the constant. Even someone like a Tyler Hero isn't scared and seems to have the ability to play clutch. We can't just stand pat and hope something happens. Wemby is all world but the guy needs a big brother out there. Also, can he really be the top dog on offense and defense and be that at a high level most of the time? I don't think so and I don't think that's how we should do it. (I thought we should have made a play for PG13!)

The good thing is we have Castle and Wemby who in my book are non negotiable while others are actually good enough to package along with picks. For the guys i mentioned, neither would Vessel.

If we stand still what do you think we will be doing next season to become championship caliber?

yeah, what do you think about a trade like this which is actually very possible- I really think Bucks would do this as opposed to trading Giannis?


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[exstatic]

yeah, what do you think about a trade like this which is actually very possible- I really think Bucks would do this as opposed to trading Giannis?


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Lillard is washed. Do. Not.Want.

[CGD]

yeah, what do you think about a trade like this which is actually very possible- I really think Bucks would do this as opposed to trading Giannis?


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Apparently something like this wouldn’t work bc Milwaukee is in cap jail and can’t aggregate their own players to make the $$ work. They can receive multiple but can only send one out.

[exstatic]

Apparently something like this wouldn’t work bc Milwaukee is in cap jail and can’t aggregate their own players to make the $$ work. They can receive multiple but can only send one out.
Thank God.

[BackHome]

C

[bevo]

yeah, what do you think about a trade like this which is actually very possible- I really think Bucks would do this as opposed to trading Giannis?


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No way. Lillard owed a ton of money too. Aging small PG... no thanks

[paperboy77]

yeah, what do you think about a trade like this which is actually very possible- I really think Bucks would do this as opposed to trading Giannis?


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That would be a dream come true if they accepted that. Honestly think they would swap Barnes and Paul for some kinda pick. Regardless, Dame would be great with Wemby. Move Vassel to the 3 and keep Castle as the 1. I'm telling yall vassell is a great 3-man in the best case scenario.

[sfernald]

Apparently something like this wouldn’t work bc Milwaukee is in cap jail and can’t aggregate their own players to make the $$ work. They can receive multiple but can only send one out.

I think they could do multiple players for multiple players just not consolidate multiple players for one player. Also this trade works with or without aj Johnson. And you could sub Zollins for Johnson. Idk they need a decent big I think so they might actually want him more than Keldon.

But yeah I kinda agree with you guys that Lillard is done. Only if they think they can bring back 28 point a game Lillard is it worth it.

[RC_Drunkford]

Draft and stash 1st rounder, smh.

It has to be trade bait, take best prospect with highest pick, pack middle pick with expiring contracts like Barnes, Collins, Keldon, stash or trade away lowest. Next year, they cant fuck around with brand new rookies in rotation.

they can absolutely play rookies that are better than Blake Wesley, Branham and Keldon. The top 20 in this draft is most likely better than these bums right away, just like Castle

[Mal]

they can absolutely play rookies that are better than Blake Wesley, Branham and Keldon. The top 20 in this draft is most likely better than these bums right away, just like Castle

Draft is stacked, but all of them being very young. Then you would have your rotation - 3 rookies, 1 soph - Castle, 3rd year Wemby out of 9-10 guys, with a chance one of them being 40 yrs CP3. All that with new coach.

[PICK-N-ROLL]

If we end up at .500, does Mitch keep the job?

[onechance87]

Draft is stacked, but all of them being very young. Then you would have your rotation - 3 rookies, 1 soph - Castle, 3rd year Wemby out of 9-10 guys, with a chance one of them being 40 yrs CP3. All that with new coach.

"Of course, it can work. Oklahoma City has proven this over the last few years, and the future looks bright for them, especially with them still being one of the youngest teams in the league. Bringing in older, more experienced players doesn't always work, as we've seen with teams like Philadelphia and Milwaukee."

[exstatic]

I think they could do multiple players for multiple players just not consolidate multiple players for one player. Also this trade works with or without aj Johnson. And you could sub Zollins for Johnson. Idk they need a decent big I think so they might actually want him more than Keldon.

But yeah I kinda agree with you guys that Lillard is done. Only if they think they can bring back 28 point a game Lillard is it worth it.
I was watching a bucks game analysis, and his nickname used to be Every Other Dame, like every second game he went off. The analyst said now his nickname should be once a week Dame,if Milwaukee is lucky.

[R. DeMurre]

I almost hate to admit it, but I like the young guys the Hawks have assembled... Jalen Johnson and Dyson Daniels are both versatile switchable guys, and Hunter, Nance Jr, and Okongwu are all better as bench depth rather than starters. If the 19 yr old Risacher winds up being anywhere above average, they've got a pretty good future blueprint in place.

[scott]

As we approach the deadline, the standings will be more clear and at that point the Spurs can make some decisions on whether to put this year’s picks up for trade.

For example, if CHA is sitting in the 6th seed at the deadline, I’d definitely try to move that pick. First, it will likely be teetering on the edge of conveying not conveying only by a matter of games, so why take the risk of it going from a #16-18 pick to 2 SRPs. Cash it in at the deadline for something useful. Second, even if it does convey it’s not a pick the Spurs are likely to use. We’re well past the time of taking 3-4 FRPs.

Likewise, if ATL or CHI is looking like a playoff team, you can move those picks to someone who needs it. Unfortunately, the best pick of the bunch this years appears like it will probably be our own (though there is still some hope for the ATL pick). I anticipate us only using 1 pick this year, maybe two if they are both top 10. Sell the rest while you can.

[baseline bum]

As we approach the deadline, the standings will be more clear and at that point the Spurs can make some decisions on whether to put this year’s picks up for trade.

For example, if CHA is sitting in the 6th seed at the deadline, I’d definitely try to move that pick. First, it will likely be teetering on the edge of conveying not conveying only by a matter of games, so why take the risk of it going from a #16-18 pick to 2 SRPs. Cash it in at the deadline for something useful. Second, even if it does convey it’s not a pick the Spurs are likely to use. We’re well past the time of taking 3-4 FRPs.

Likewise, if ATL or CHI is looking like a playoff team, you can move those picks to someone who needs it. Unfortunately, the best pick of the bunch this years appears like it will probably be our own (though there is still some hope for the ATL pick). I anticipate us only using 1 pick this year, maybe two if they are both top 10. Sell the rest while you can.

The 20232 dream it is!

[ambchang]

Well, I guess a bunch of kid first rounders for DJM is still a good deal …

Alright guys I’m coping.

[scott]

Recall during the Trae Young trade rumors, people talking about how Trae Young had no value and how our ATL picks were golden because the Hawks would be forced to sell Trae for pennies on the dollar and tailspin into being a bottom 5 team… completely ignoring the fact that the Hawks had the option of simply keeping Trae and improving their team around him… which is exactly they’ve done.

ATL isn’t going to suddenly become a top team in the East… but their demise was greatly exaggerated by folks hoping for the best for the Spurs assets.

With all of that said… F the Hawks. Hope they go on a 40 game losing streak. GSG!

[The Truth #6]

They had years of tension and problems so it was a good bet on our end. Still a long season. But they lucked out with Dyson Daniels and Jalen. Quin Snyder is competent so that was also in their favor. We'll see.

[baseline bum]

Well, I guess a bunch of kid first rounders for DJM is still a good deal …

Alright guys I’m coping.

Spurs won that trade the second Houston got the fourth pick since any of Wemby, Miller, or Amen is preferable to Dejounte.

[Mugen]

Lost to the Blazers tonight tbh

[TXstbobcat]

Hawks drop one to the Blazers. Blazers not tanking hard enough tonight.

[scott]

Noice! Lose Hawks Lose!

[TXstbobcat]

Should drop their next one against the Kings.

[onechance87]

hope hawks never wins again.

[pad300]

hope hawks never wins again.

That's harsh; as soon as 27-28 season rolls around, they can win as many games as they want - so long as they're not against us...

[DPG21920]

Still can’t believe BOS choked to ATL with no Trae - so annoying

[jesterbobman]

Atlanta has a bunch of talent between Trae, BB/ CC / DD / JJ / OO and the guys without alliterative initials. They're not a bottom feeder.

Probably best to think of them as similar to a fringe playing team, and conveying #10 or so. There'll be up and downs along the way, they could sneak into the playoffs, they could fall off, but they're in the wide group above Washington / Toronto / Utah who'll make up 4 - 18.

If you said coming out of the trade, that for DJM, we got a # 10 pick in 25, something similar in 27, a swap in 26 where we're similar levels as teams (don't think either us or the Hawks will ascend completely / tank to the dregs of the league), that's probably a top 80 percentile outcome, given they were coming off a ECF appearance.

[TXstbobcat]

Potential to drop the next 2 games vs kings and warriors

[exstatic]

Potential to drop the next 2 games vs kings and warriors

Charlotte is currently 9th at 5-7. Atlanta is 16th at 6-8. It’s a quick jump or drop around a pack of WC teams with a win or a loss.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

As we approach the deadline, the standings will be more clear and at that point the Spurs can make some decisions on whether to put this year’s picks up for trade.

For example, if CHA is sitting in the 6th seed at the deadline, I’d definitely try to move that pick. First, it will likely be teetering on the edge of conveying not conveying only by a matter of games, so why take the risk of it going from a #16-18 pick to 2 SRPs. Cash it in at the deadline for something useful. Second, even if it does convey it’s not a pick the Spurs are likely to use. We’re well past the time of taking 3-4 FRPs.

Likewise, if ATL or CHI is looking like a playoff team, you can move those picks to someone who needs it. Unfortunately, the best pick of the bunch this years appears like it will probably be our own (though there is still some hope for the ATL pick). I anticipate us only using 1 pick this year, maybe two if they are both top 10. Sell the rest while you can.

The idea of trading any of the picks before the deadline is interesting. The rest of the league is so risk averse, I wonder what kind of incremental value they could actually get?

The other thing about dumping picks -- since it seems crazy that the Spurs take on more than 2 rookies next year -- is that there should be several sellers depending how the standings shake out. Brooklyn has 4 FRP. Utah has 3. The Spurs will have 2-4. OKC has 2. Atlanta has 2. Orlando has 2. That's 15-17 picks concentrated between 6 teams. And I haven't even looked at the second round, but there should be a lot more movement this draft than we've seen in a few years.

[Kevin]

LeMelo Ball is turning into a super star and second year Brandon Miller is a fine second star in a dog water eastern conference. Hornets pick will likely convey if LeMelo finally stays healthy.

[scott]

The idea of trading any of the picks before the deadline is interesting. The rest of the league is so risk averse, I wonder what kind of incremental value they could actually get?

The other thing about dumping picks -- since it seems crazy that the Spurs take on more than 2 rookies next year -- is that there should be several sellers depending how the standings shake out. Brooklyn has 4 FRP. Utah has 3. The Spurs will have 2-4. OKC has 2. Atlanta has 2. Orlando has 2. That's 15-17 picks concentrated between 6 teams. And I haven't even looked at the second round, but there should be a lot more movement this draft than we've seen in a few years.

Great point, and to me that would indicate that there is going to be good value for the first movers, and then probably for the late movers (closer to draft day) as FOMO sets in for teams without a pick but glaring holes in their roster that perhaps they weren’t able to fill in FA.

Brooklyn and Utah I could see using all of their picks (which would be fascinating for Utah considering they have 5 FRPs plus another player who was drafted #32 on their roster right now).

OKC has shown they aren’t afraid to add rookies to the end of the their roster. They have two SRPs playing contributing roles right now (Ajay Mitchell has played in every game and is averaging 16mpg and Dillon Jones has played in all but one game but a far less significant role) and their FRP is out injured for the year.

ATL could probably use the rookies, but Orlando is the team that might be hard for them to fit two in.

Will be curious to see how much of a priority selling off picks will be for these teams. We are the only team that has signaled (through our recent draft history) that we’re probably not going to use all of them.

[scott]

LeMelo Ball is turning into a super star and second year Brandon Miller is a fine second star in a dog water eastern conference. Hornets pick will likely convey if LeMelo finally stays healthy.

Miller looks really good. I wish CHA had taken Clingan or Edey instead of Salaun, that would have really changed the dynamic of them chasing the playoffs in the east.

[Kevin]

Miller looks really good. I wish CHA had taken Clingan or Edey instead of Salaun, that would have really changed the dynamic of them chasing the playoffs in the east.

They already have Mark Williams although he has yet to play these season because of a foot injury. Once he comes back the Hornets will be cooking.

[spurraider21]

Great point, and to me that would indicate that there is going to be good value for the first movers, and then probably for the late movers (closer to draft day) as FOMO sets in for teams without a pick but glaring holes in their roster that perhaps they weren’t able to fill in FA.

Brooklyn and Utah I could see using all of their picks (which would be fascinating for Utah considering they have 5 FRPs plus another player who was drafted #32 on their roster right now).

OKC has shown they aren’t afraid to add rookies to the end of the their roster. They have two SRPs playing contributing roles right now (Ajay Mitchell has played in every game and is averaging 16mpg and Dillon Jones has played in all but one game but a far less significant role) and their FRP is out injured for the year.

ATL could probably use the rookies, but Orlando is the team that might be hard for them to fit two in.

Will be curious to see how much of a priority selling off picks will be for these teams. We are the only team that has signaled (through our recent draft history) that we’re probably not going to use all of them.
not sure OKC wants more rookies though. 13 of the guys on their roster are under contract next season. Caruso will be a UFA but i imagine they'd like to keep him. and they'd probably try to make at least one FA signing using their MLE or whatnot. with that said, it probably depends on the quality of the picks they have.

topic will also basically be a new rookie for them next year

[exstatic]

Miller looks really good. I wish CHA had taken Clingan or Edey instead of Salaun, that would have really changed the dynamic of them chasing the playoffs in the east.

They may wish they had, too,if Williams turns out to be chronically injured like his first two seasons hint at.

[scott]

not sure OKC wants more rookies though. 13 of the guys on their roster are under contract next season. Caruso will be a UFA but i imagine they'd like to keep him. and they'd probably try to make at least one FA signing using their MLE or whatnot. with that said, it probably depends on the quality of the picks they have.

topic will also basically be a new rookie for them next year

Will be interesting to see if OKC does what I hope the Spurs do - which is use this abundance of future draft capital to be constantly flushing the team of subpar talent. They could move out someone like Ousmane Dieng, who is still young enough to not be a lost cause and they can likely dump without much draft capital.

Spurs should be doing the same with guys like Branham and Wesley - if there are better prospects available at their picks, they should make those picks and look to offload the end of bench guys. I hate that we are passing on guys like Ajay Mitchell, who was sitting there for us when we punted on our SRP, because we need the roster room for Bran, Blake, Sidi, etc.

[Mal]

The idea of trading any of the picks before the deadline is interesting. The rest of the league is so risk averse, I wonder what kind of incremental value they could actually get?

The other thing about dumping picks -- since it seems crazy that the Spurs take on more than 2 rookies next year -- is that there should be several sellers depending how the standings shake out. Brooklyn has 4 FRP. Utah has 3. The Spurs will have 2-4. OKC has 2. Atlanta has 2. Orlando has 2. That's 15-17 picks concentrated between 6 teams. And I haven't even looked at the second round, but there should be a lot more movement this draft than we've seen in a few years.

Brooklyn and Utah can absorb any amount of rookies into their roster. Spurs kinda also, since there are so many useless guys on the roster. Orlando and Atlanta will be making their selections.

OKC will have to start throwing 30+ mil extensions after next season, so they could be looking to offload their picks to later years.

[DPG21920]

ATL has a tough next 7 games overall: Kings, Golden State, Bulls, Mav, CLE, CLE then CHA.

They can likely beat Kings, Bulls and CHA, but any losses to those 3 teams likely opens them up to a 2-5 stretch here assuming CLE (2x), GS and Dallas take care of business.

[scott]

ATL has a tough next 7 games overall: Kings, Golden State, Bulls, Mav, CLE, CLE then CHA.

They can likely beat Kings, Bulls and CHA, but any losses to those 3 teams likely opens them up to a 2-5 stretch here assuming CLE (2x), GS and Dallas take care of business.

We need you thinking a little more optimistically, Dude. 0-7 baby!

[DPG21920]

We need you thinking a little more optimistically, Dude. 0-7 baby!

ATL has Dyson James so it’s hard to count them out. He beat Boston on his own

[exstatic]

ATL has Dyson James so it’s hard to count them out. He beat Boston on his own

Boston overlooked them, big time. If that game gets played 100 times, Boston wins 95 of them. Teams also don’t really have a book on him. He’s not played a ton over the years. If he starts getting noticed, they’ll figure out how to make him shoot, and that’s it.

[DPG21920]

No Sabonis, No DeRozan and no Monk for Kings - the WORST luck man

[baseline bum]

Ugh who had Philly starting the season 2-10 on their BINGO card? Seems destined this 2025 ATL first will be a mid ass pick.

[onechance87]

Ugh who had Philly starting the season 2-10 on their BINGO card? Seems destined this 2025 ATL first will be a mid ass pick.

shit is crazy....Got bucks 76ers,pacers and knicks looking like trash.

[DPG21920]

Dyson Daniels game winning steal on Fox to win the game for ATL. FML

[heyheymymy]

god dammit

[heyheymymy]

109 108 hawks win by 1

ygbfkm

[onechance87]

wtf man

[Ditty]

Annoying loss but damn a short handed Kings team barely lost to a fully healthy now Hawks team.

Don't think the Hawks are good at all especially defensively outside of Daniels.

I think the Bucks are going to start creeping up in the standings that the Hawks will drop back into the lottery.

[TrainOfThought5]

shit is crazy....Got bucks 76ers,pacers and knicks looking like trash.

patience. The season will revert to the mean.

[DPG21920]

ATL has Dyson James so it’s hard to count them out. He beat Boston on his own

The prophecy was fulfilled. Dyson Daniels is the best player in the nba.

[Pauleta14]

Even if Trae has a season ending injury, ATL won't be bottom 10

Spurs can only count on themselves to get a lottery pick... hence Wemby out for a boo boo?

[itzsoweezee]

Even if Trae has a season ending injury, ATL won't be bottom 10

Spurs can only count on themselves to get a lottery pick... hence Wemby out for a boo boo?

Nets will trade away guys and start tanking. Bucks have a soft schedule coming up. And Philly is going to have to go all out the rest of the season. It’s still possible this time might be Atlanta’s best position this season.

[spursparker9]

When will Trae get season ending injury?

[Pauleta14]

Nets will trade away guys and start tanking. Bucks have a soft schedule coming up. And Philly is going to have to go all out the rest of the season. It’s still possible this time might be Atlanta’s best position this season.

Trae got 19ast but went only 1/7 shooting and they won... without Jalen Johnson who's on his way to be a triple dble machine. They're a very decent team in a super weak East that lost a few close games and could be ranked even higher.

I'm not saying hey'll stay 5th, but they'll never be a bottom of the league team, they have no incentive to tank and will try to win until the 82nd game when a lot will try to lose.

Expecting a lottery pick out of ATL is delusional at this point UNLESS Trae and/or JJ have a long term injury (not wishing them)

[Mugen]

I expected the Hawks to be a play-in team prior to the season. Not much has changed close to 15 games in tbh.

I still expect them to land in the 7-10 range. Anybody that expected them to convey a 1-7 pick in the '25 draft was kidding themselves.

[onechance87]

I expected the Hawks to be a play-in team prior to the season. Not much has changed close to 15 games in tbh.

I still expect them to land in the 7-10 range. Anybody that expected them to convey a 1-7 pick in the '25 draft was kidding themselves.

i didnt expect the bucks,knicks,76ers,pacers,and heat to be this bad.

[quentin_compson]

I just read in an article on The Ringer that right now, the 11th seed in the West projects to have at least as many wins at the end of the season as the 5th seed in the East. Crazy stuff ...

[exstatic]

I expected the Hawks to be a play-in team prior to the season. Not much has changed close to 15 games in tbh.

I still expect them to land in the 7-10 range. Anybody that expected them to convey a 1-7 pick in the '25 draft was kidding themselves.

Where they finish isn’t where they draft,necessarily. If they’re at the high end of your range at 7, they have about a 32% chance of jumping into the top 4.

[Sugus]

I expected the Hawks to be a play-in team prior to the season. Not much has changed close to 15 games in tbh.

I still expect them to land in the 7-10 range. Anybody that expected them to convey a 1-7 pick in the '25 draft was kidding themselves.

Not that I had "expectations" of anything particular, but given how the NBA lottery works, and especially since the flattened odds change, this is a weird take. Like pre-coping.

The Hawks are still perfectly capable of producing a top-10 lotto pick this year. Didn't they make an insane lotto jump just last year? It's all about the ping pong balls there, and far stranger things have happened.

It's a long season...

[Sugus]

Where they finish isn’t where they draft,necessarily. If they’re at the high end of your range at 7, they have about a 32% chance of jumping into the top 4.

Damn, beat me to it!

[itzsoweezee]

Trae got 19ast but went only 1/7 shooting and they won... without Jalen Johnson who's on his way to be a triple dble machine. They're a very decent team in a super weak East that lost a few close games and could be ranked even higher.

I'm not saying hey'll stay 5th, but they'll never be a bottom of the league team, they have no incentive to tank and will try to win until the 82nd game when a lot will try to lose.

Expecting a lottery pick out of ATL is delusional at this point UNLESS Trae and/or JJ have a long term injury (not wishing them)

There is almost zero chance the hawks will be a top 6 team in the east. They don’t need to be a bottom 5 team, just a bottom 7 team in the east, which I think is more likely than not. The spurs are very likely going to have two shots in this year’s lottery. We’ll see what that yields, but it’s a good position to be in.

[MannyIsGod]

Trae got 19ast but went only 1/7 shooting and they won... without Jalen Johnson who's on his way to be a triple dble machine. They're a very decent team in a super weak East that lost a few close games and could be ranked even higher.

I'm not saying hey'll stay 5th, but they'll never be a bottom of the league team, they have no incentive to tank and will try to win until the 82nd game when a lot will try to lose.

Expecting a lottery pick out of ATL is delusional at this point UNLESS Trae and/or JJ have a long term injury (not wishing them)

They played a Kings team taht was without 3 of its top 4 players. Atlanta sucks, but they played a Kings team that would be just as bad as them and the Kings STILL had to be screwed pretty hard by the refs late in the game for the Hawks to win.

People here always overstate things based on a game or two. The Hawks have absolute shit talent right now. Even in the easy they will be lucky to be a play in team.

[Pauleta14]

There is almost zero chance the hawks will be a top 6 team in the east. They don’t need to be a bottom 5 team, just a bottom 7 team in the east, which I think is more likely than not. The spurs are very likely going to have two shots in this year’s lottery. We’ll see what that yields, but it’s a good position to be in.


They played a Kings team taht was without 3 of its top 4 players. Atlanta sucks, but they played a Kings team that would be just as bad as them and the Kings STILL had to be screwed pretty hard by the refs late in the game for the Hawks to win.

People here always overstate things based on a game or two. The Hawks have absolute shit talent right now. Even in the easy they will be lucky to be a play in team.


It's not a game or 2, every time I watched them, they're in the game and have 2 reliable difference makers. They'll also face more weaker opponents than West teams and will stack wins in the last months

I want to be wrong, we'll see

[scott]

This is a good reminder why shouldn't rely on another team's picks as a core team building strategy. I don't think the Spurs have (and I think by now it's well known I am not a fan of this FO), but some folks on this site (maybe even me) were putting too much hope in these Atlanta picks. They're all bonus, and we should be counting on them to yield our second star.

[spurraider21]

This is a good reminder why shouldn't rely on another team's picks as a core team building strategy. I don't think the Spurs have (and I think by now it's well known I am not a fan of this FO), but some folks on this site (maybe even me) were putting too much hope in these Atlanta picks. They're all bonus, and we should be counting on them to yield our second star.
you mean the extra picks that got us Branham and Wesley haven't been useful?

[exstatic]

This is a good reminder why shouldn't rely on another team's picks as a core team building strategy. I don't think the Spurs have (and I think by now it's well known I am not a fan of this FO), but some folks on this site (maybe even me) were putting too much hope in these Atlanta picks. They're all bonus, and we should be counting on them to yield our second star.

I think Atlanta is squeaking past teams resting dudes, and that won’t happen after the new year. They’ll get pounded pretty regularly, and revert to the mean. As things stand now,they shouldn’t finish any worse than 8th, and if MIL and PHI get their shit together, they won’t finish any worse than 6-7.

[scott]

I think Atlanta is squeaking past teams resting dudes, and that won’t happen after the new year. They’ll get pounded pretty regularly, and revert to the mean. As things stand now,they shouldn’t finish any worse than 8th, and if MIL and PHI get their shit together, they won’t finish any worse than 6-7.

I do admire the eternal optimism.

[exstatic]

I do admire the eternal optimism.

It’s better for one’s health.

[itzsoweezee]

You people freak out over anything

[rankingtear]

This is a good reminder why shouldn't rely on another team's picks as a core team building strategy. I don't think the Spurs have (and I think by now it's well known I am not a fan of this FO), but some folks on this site (maybe even me) were putting too much hope in these Atlanta picks. They're all bonus, and we should be counting on them to yield our second star.

The last 2 championship teams and the 2 most promising young teams got their second banana from another teams pick. Seems like a good strategy.

[SpursGenius]

I expected the Hawks to be a play-in team prior to the season. Not much has changed close to 15 games in tbh.

I still expect them to land in the 7-10 range. Anybody that expected them to convey a 1-7 pick in the '25 draft was kidding themselves.

unless they pull off lottery luck like last year. I agree they will be in the 7-10 range

[Mr. Body]

It's still early and the EC is a tight mess. Atlanta is two wins better than the 6 and 7 teams in the lottery and you could say those two wins are the Celtics sleepwalking to a late game loss and the wild win against the Kings who were missing like three key starters.

So, it's a long season. They've looked better than I expected with Daniels being very good and Risacher contributing. I still don't think they're very good. I trust Minnesota's 8-7 record, who are right behind them in the overall standings, than their 7-8.

The season will depend a lot on breaks.

[scott]

The last 2 championship teams and the 2 most promising young teams got their second banana from another teams pick. Seems like a good strategy.

I take it back then. We should definitely totally rely on these other picks to yield a second star. Good call.

[ambchang]

It would work if you have Durant, westbrook, harden and ibaka (ironically the one that the most return, it’s like that guy who traded away a paper clip and got a house back after 164 trades) or Garnett and Pierce to trade away, and not dejounte Murray and Derrick white (who can actually net a pretty good return now).

The spurs started off with way less assets than the other two examples. It’s a tough strategy to pull off.

[exstatic]

It would work if you have Durant, westbrook, harden and ibaka (ironically the one that the most return, it’s like that guy who traded away a paper clip and got a house back after 164 trades) or Garnett and Pierce to trade away, and not dejounte Murray and Derrick white (who can actually net a pretty good return now).

The spurs started off with way less assets than the other two examples. It’s a tough strategy to pull off.

Except that OKC got their return from PG13, not their franchise guys, and it was forced by Kawhi wanting PG 13, so he really fucked us twice.

[scott]

Except that OKC got their return from PG13, not their franchise guys, and it was forced by Kawhi wanting PG 13, so he really fucked us twice.

PG13s last season in OKC he finished 3rd in MVP voting, 3rd in DPOY voting, was an All Star, and NBA 1st Team Selection, averaging 28/8/4. Might be safe to assume he was OKC's franchise guy.

[exstatic]

PG13s last season in OKC he finished 3rd in MVP voting, 3rd in DPOY voting, was an All Star, and NBA 1st Team Selection, averaging 28/8/4. Might be safe to assume he was OKC's franchise guy.

Let me clarify: not the guys he listed, Russ, KD, Beard, Ibaka.

[ambchang]

Except that OKC got their return from PG13, not their franchise guys, and it was forced by Kawhi wanting PG 13, so he really fucked us twice.

PG13 came from oladipo and domantis who came from ibaka. I think.

[Ditty]

So far they are getting smoked by the Warriors.

[Bruno]

Right now, Hawks are about as good as what they were expected to be: they're a play-in team.

Their pick will be, either #15 or #16 if they qualify for the playoffs through the play-in, or between #8 and #12 if they failed in the play-in tournament.

Beyond this year pick, I'm also starting to wonder if Trae, despite being 26 years old, isn't past his prime.
Take, for example, a stat like PER:
2021-22: 25.4
2022-23: 22.0
2023-24: 20.3
2024-25: 17.0
The main reason of that drop is that he is doing less and less damage in the paint. He is turning more and more into a high volume with a questionable efficiency perimeter shooter.

[TheChillFactor]

i know we all want a high pick now, especially with this draft class, but this trade is a dub if we get ONE top 5 pick in 25, 26 or 27.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

i know we all want a high pick now, especially with this draft class, but this trade is a dub if we get ONE top 5 pick in 25, 26 or 27.

We won that trade the moment we got the Victor pick. Anything else coming in the future is gravy.

[Atl Spur]

^ this

[RC_Drunkford]

Anything 12 or higher this upcoming draft is great. Top 10 with some lottery luck would obviously be the best case

[scott]

i know we all want a high pick now, especially with this draft class, but this trade is a dub if we get ONE top 5 pick in 25, 26 or 27.


We won that trade the moment we got the Victor pick. Anything else coming in the future is gravy.

Both of these are correct, and I'm glad ya'll mentioned them. There will be natural disappointment with getting something like pick #15 versus pick #5, but it's still a massive win because 1) it allowed us to get Vic and 2) it gets us a chance to infuse more talent

[LeBowen]

Both of these are correct, and I'm glad ya'll mentioned them. There will be natural disappointment with getting something like pick #15 versus pick #5, but it's still a massive win because 1) it allowed us to get Vic and 2) it gets us a chance to infuse more talent

Sometimes I feel like our fanbase doesn't realize that we're arguably the luckiest team in the league.
Garbage team in danger of being relocated -> lottery win with consensus #1 pick who saved the franchise and won MVP.
That #1 pick is out of his prime, gets injured -> lottery win with consensus #1 pick who turns out to be one of the greatest ever.
Years of garbage with no turnaround in sight -> lottery win with consensus #1 pick who's arguably an even bigger prospect than two previous #1 picks we had.

It's just ridiculous how lucky we were.
Then a year later we move up with our pick and also get the Raptors pick.
If we drop in every single lottery for the next decade it still wouldn't be enough to make up for all the lottery luck we had.

It's time for PATFO to build a contender with actual moves rather than hopes and prayers to lottery Gods...or was it CIA Pop doing all the work?

[rjv]

i had been hoping that the East standing would see a regression to the mean and i do think we are starting to see that with the Bucks and the Pacers, I had hoped we'd also start to see it with Philly, but their season is off to such a disastrous start that one would have to wonder if they start thinking about a legit tank should these injuries continue to happen (PG just reinjured the same knee he had hurt in the preseason). if this happens, that's one less team that i had penciled in as finishing with a better record than ATL.

[scott]

Sometimes I feel like our fanbase doesn't realize that we're arguably the luckiest team in the league.
Garbage team in danger of being relocated -> lottery win with consensus #1 pick who saved the franchise and won MVP.
That #1 pick is out of his prime, gets injured -> lottery win with consensus #1 pick who turns out to be one of the greatest ever.
Years of garbage with no turnaround in sight -> lottery win with consensus #1 pick who's arguably an even bigger prospect than two previous #1 picks we had.

It's just ridiculous how lucky we were.
Then a year later we move up with our pick and also get the Raptors pick.
If we drop in every single lottery for the next decade it still wouldn't be enough to make up for all the lottery luck we had.

It's time for PATFO to build a contender with actual moves rather than hopes and prayers to lottery Gods...or was it CIA Pop doing all the work?

PREACH BROTHER!

[onechance87]

i had been hoping that the East standing would see a regression to the mean and i do think we are starting to see that with the Bucks and the Pacers, I had hoped we'd also start to see it with Philly, but their season is off to such a disastrous start that one would have to wonder if they start thinking about a legit tank should these injuries continue to happen (PG just reinjured the same knee he had hurt in the preseason). if this happens, that's one less team that i had penciled in as finishing with a better record than ATL.

was hoping chicago or charlotte would rise,But they are just a bas as the rest of them.Curious to see what detroit and nets do
to help them tank or decide to try for play in.

[spurraider21]

Both of these are correct, and I'm glad ya'll mentioned them. There will be natural disappointment with getting something like pick #15 versus pick #5, but it's still a massive win because 1) it allowed us to get Vic and 2) it gets us a chance to infuse more talent
no unless we get both Flagg and Dybantsa this has all been a complete failure

[Guru of Nothing]

We're gonna end up with four picks beyond the 15 next season.

[heyheymymy]

a veritable draft pick implications super bowl tonight with ATL CHI at 7pm cst

[MannyIsGod]

FWIW, Atlanta has faced one of the easiest schedules in the league is and still 2 games under .500. This models them at the 9th worst winning percentage if you factor that in.

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/EWP

[onechance87]

lets go bulls

[Mugen]

Trae hasn't looked great battling through his achilles injury tbh. At some point, they might have to give him some extended rest considering they're getting guys like Bogi and Hunter back.

[mikec]

Go Bulls Go!!!

[spurraider21]

FWIW, Atlanta has faced one of the easiest schedules in the league is and still 2 games under .500. This models them at the 9th worst winning percentage if you factor that in.

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/EWP
yeah they've had 3 games vs the wizards so far and are 1-2 in those games :lol

the one that stung was them beating Charlotte in a close one

[heyheymymy]

it's def a long season gotta keep that in mind

but those close wins or against good teams they should've lost totally burn for me as missed opportunities to bury ATL early

[exstatic]

a veritable draft pick implications super bowl tonight with ATL CHI at 7pm cst

This will either be a double plus or a double minus.

[spursparker9]

Double dip again if Chi win Atl today

[Knoxxx]

The CHI pick, top 10 protected but only for this year and then it’s gone? I know the Charlotte turns into 2 SRPs like a reverse butterfly.

Remind me again where does ATL have to fall to be back in lottery for their pick we own?

[Knoxxx]

it's def a long season gotta keep that in mind

but those close wins or against good teams they should've lost totally burn for me as missed opportunities to bury ATL early

I wouldn’t worry since they don’t have any incentive to tank with us controlling their next 3 years FRPs. The best feature of ATL beyond that is they truly do suck and could lose plenty of games just due to that, including to some bad teams.

[Knoxxx]

Winner chicken dinner the dual W and L are in the bag tonight! On a slow night otherwise I’ll take that!

[scott]

The CHI pick, top 10 protected but only for this year and then it’s gone? I know the Charlotte turns into 2 SRPs like a reverse butterfly.

Remind me again where does ATL have to fall to be back in lottery for their pick we own?

If CHI doesn't convey this year, it goes to Top 8 protected the next two years. Plenty of time for that one.

[exstatic]

Atlanta is just SO bad defensively.

[exstatic]

And Boom, ATL flips from 16 to 10 with one loss.

[Seventyniner]

Atlanta is just SO bad defensively.

I watched most of the second quarter and the Hawks committed some ridiculous live ball turnovers. The Bulls had a couple themselves but the Hawks looked very undisciplined.

[Knoxxx]

And Boom, ATL flips from 16 to 10 with one loss.

They are packed in a pile of dung, 8 teams with 9 or 10 losses which we may be rising above. OR we get a lotto pick potentially.

[exstatic]

They are packed in a pile of dung, 8 teams with 9 or 10 losses which we may be rising above. OR we get a lotto pick potentially.

I thought that if they traded Trae, they’d be worse, but I almost want them to keep him now. His game has been sliding the past few years to the point that his PER, a quick and dirty first gen advanced stat, has slid from 25,22,20,17. The league average PER is 15, and it’s considered an offensive weighted stat. And his defense is awful.

[Knoxxx]

I thought that if they traded Trae, they’d be worse, but I almost want them to keep him now. His game has been sliding the past few years to the point that his PER, a quick and dirty first gen advanced stat, has slid from 25,22,20,17. The league average PER is 15, and it’s considered an offensive weighted stat. And his defense is awful.

Yep his play his not a winning formula and they are in a weird state of limbo with a losing record probable. Burn ATL burn.

[exstatic]

Yep his play his not a winning formula and they are in a weird state of limbo with a losing record probable. Burn ATL burn.

https://br.web.img3.acsta.net/r_1280_720/medias/nmedia/18/35/14/43/18824560.jpg

[CIAPop]

Sometimes I feel like our fanbase doesn't realize that we're arguably the luckiest team in the league.
Garbage team in danger of being relocated -> lottery win with consensus #1 pick who saved the franchise and won MVP.
That #1 pick is out of his prime, gets injured -> lottery win with consensus #1 pick who turns out to be one of the greatest ever.
Years of garbage with no turnaround in sight -> lottery win with consensus #1 pick who's arguably an even bigger prospect than two previous #1 picks we had.

It's just ridiculous how lucky we were.
Then a year later we move up with our pick and also get the Raptors pick.
If we drop in every single lottery for the next decade it still wouldn't be enough to make up for all the lottery luck we had.

It's time for PATFO to build a contender with actual moves rather than hopes and prayers to lottery Gods...or was it CIA Pop doing all the work?

It was me

[itzsoweezee]

I watched most of the second quarter and the Hawks committed some ridiculous live ball turnovers. The Bulls had a couple themselves but the Hawks looked very undisciplined.

Undisciplined is exactly right. They seem to take on Young’s style of play, at least when he’s playing.

[Sugus]

Still a lot of season left, but the Hawks seem to be spiraling, even with the infusion of Daniels. Love reading the Hawks fans' takes after last night's terrible loss.

They're as hopeless as we need them to be, tbh.

[scott]

Every time there is discussion of the Hawks about to spiral, Dyson Daniels goes God Mode and brings Atlanta some unexpected wins.

I propose to ST that we stop tempting the basketball gods and stop predicting their decline. Let it be fate's decision, not ours, lest we appear to be pressing our luck.

[spurraider21]

Every time there is discussion of the Hawks about to spiral, Dyson Daniels goes God Mode and brings Atlanta some unexpected wins.

I propose to ST that we stop tempting the basketball gods and stop predicting their decline. Let it be fate's decision, not ours, lest we appear to be pressing our luck.
The Boston and Sacto wins… smh

[Sugus]

Every time there is discussion of the Hawks about to spiral, Dyson Daniels goes God Mode and brings Atlanta some unexpected wins.

I propose to ST that we stop tempting the basketball gods and stop predicting their decline. Let it be fate's decision, not ours, lest we appear to be pressing our luck.

Hey, isn't Spurstalk home of the famous reverse-jinx?! Let's hype them up!

I've always believed Trae > Luka and he'll soon prove exactly why...........

[MannyIsGod]

You guys really need to put some respect on Murray's name. Daniels has been better than many expected based on how he was in NOLA but he's still a net negative compared to Dejounte.

Daniels

14.2 PPG, 4.9 RB, 3.2 AST, 3.2 ST, 0.9 BLK, 2.0 TO, .448FG, .302 3FG

Murray last year for ATL

22.5 PPG, 5.3 RB, 6.4 AST, 1.4 ST, .3 BLK, 2.6 TO, .459FG, .363 3FG

Dyson is slightly better defensively (in terms of steals but DBPM Murray was still better) but otherwise Dejounte was a way more impactful player. I too am impressed at how well Daniels has played given his first 2 years and it looks like a good trade for ATL but the trade hasn't made them better. It's made them worse and it helps them financially but Dyson isn't saving them from being shit.

[heyheymymy]

lol CIAPop that is one hell of a 4th post ever since 2013

dedicated to the grind

[exstatic]

The Boston and Sacto wins… smh

Sacto is currently in the lottery. People are still hanging on to two years ago,but they ain’t that good. They dropped off pretty sharply last year,and don’t appear to be rebounding.

[CIAPop]

I find myself with more time on my hands lately.

[spurraider21]

Sacto is currently in the lottery. People are still hanging on to two years ago,but they ain’t that good. They dropped off pretty sharply last year,and don’t appear to be rebounding.
Really just talking about the manner in which they won that game

[Strategic]

Damn Doncic and Thompson sitting out tonight.

[DPG21920]

Hawks should have two more losses. BOS blowing it with no Trae playing really sucks and Kings too. Would be huge if Dallas can win tonight as thats 3 straight losses and ATL plays CLE 2x in a row.

[spurraider21]

Dallas holding up without Luka. Nnaji Marshall has been great for them lately and has 11 so far with a few minutes left to go in the half. hopefully kyrie goes off in the 4th to put them away

[scott]

Entire league conspiring against the Spurs adding a lotto pick, tbqh

[DAF86]

Are we rooting for the Hawks or Mavs to lose?

[spurraider21]

Are we rooting for the Hawks or Mavs to lose?
hawks 100%

[Strategic]

Which one of the Morris brothers is on mav’s bench and why is he still there?

[spurraider21]

wow PJ with a hell of a block against Trae. kyrie walks in the for the layup to go up 10 with under 50 seconds to go

[mikec]

yay hawks down 10 with a minute to go!! :clap

[DPG21920]

Hell ya Mavs!!! 3 losses in a row and now CLE up on deck two games in a row. Keep it going

[DPG21920]

2-8 in ATL next 10 games would be GREAT….ATL beats CHA and NO and if SA can take care of business vs them? 2-8 or 3-7 seems like a possibility IF the favored teams all take care of business (CLE 2x, MIL, LAL, DEN, MEM, MIN)

[Seventyniner]

Screw 2-8, I want 0-10.

[heyheymymy]

BURY

THE

BIRD

[exstatic]

And just like that, they go from out of the lottery to position #7.

[TXstbobcat]

was weird as a spurs fan cheering for the mavs to win tonight.

[DAF86]

2-8 in ATL next 10 games would be GREAT….ATL beats CHA and NO and if SA can take care of business vs them? 2-8 or 3-7 seems like a possibility IF the favored teams all take care of business (CLE 2x, MIL, LAL, DEN, MEM, MIN)

2-8 is probably good enough to mantain a top 8 seed in the East, tbh.

[DPG21920]

2-8 is probably good enough to mantain a top 8 seed in the East, tbh.

Lmao

[Mitch Cumsteen]

2-8 is probably good enough to mantain a top 8 seed in the East, tbh.

Top 8? They will probably have home court advantage in the first round.

[Knoxxx]

What can ATL do since they can’t tank? Trade Trae Young and move on from him for a draft pick only makes them worse in the short term probably.

[Mr. Body]

What can ATL do since they can’t tank? Trade Trae Young and move on from him for a draft pick only makes them worse in the short term probably.

I'd trade him for what they can get, barring fan base revolt. They get the Lakers pick this year and Sacramento's this year or next, protected 1-12/1-10. They get the Spurs' pick next year and the following will still get the worse of Milwaukee or New Orleans.

They don't control their own picks in that range, but they're still getting first round picks. To me it's better to just move on from Trae and actually build a squad. Right now it's more like they're trying to fend off the picks SAS gets from being too good and what's the point much longer? Cut your losses and go forward. I'd even do a D'Angelo Russell package just to move on or see what Chicago wants.

[DPG21920]

What can ATL do since they can’t tank? Trade Trae Young and move on from him for a draft pick only makes them worse in the short term probably.

That’s the hope; they get to the deadline and they are not in the playoff race firmly and Trae demands a trade…

[jesterbobman]

The problem of Trae offensively in a league with more and more ball pressure and a need for 2 ball handlers is that he hasn't developed his off ball game much. He's still a great engine of offense when he has the ball, but I think his wizardry on ball has become less valuable with the added contact that was allowed mid way through last season. (Part of why I was, and am opposed to trading for him with a "return the Hawks picks" package).

Then, a team of B level do it all guys, who can all step into different roles, but if they're playing off of Trae, they can't shoot that well, and their on ball skills aren't as needed. I still think they'll finish at about the 10 seed / fringe of the playoffs as they have a lot of sort of competent players, but I'd love to be wrong.

[rankingtear]

The slight of build guards got nerfed. This is what Carlisle also said about Hali. I don't think we would see "superstar" Trae again.

[exstatic]

That’s the hope; they get to the deadline and they are not in the playoff race firmly and Trae demands a trade…

At the beginning of the season, that was my hope, but this year they seem to play better without him. I hope they keep him the whole season.

[Manu-of-steel]

Allowing added contact is what makes Castle click on defense. I noticed that he is not being called for some fouls that normally would be called. That bodes well for Steph Castle on defense

[spurraider21]

:lmao

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[DPG21920]

And the beat BOS with Trae out lol

[Seventyniner]

Yeah it's not like the game was any worse with Young out.

Maybe the league should only fine the team if they lose, or only if they lose big.

[spurraider21]

FWIW - I've been told, including in the last 10 min, that Young was (and still is) dealing with an actual injury.The ruling is that he could've reasonably played, per the NBA.This is my own opinion now, but the Hawks not listing him on the injury report for the next game didn't help their case.

https://bsky.app/profile/btrowland.bsky.social/post/3lbuqs2mxas23

[heyheymymy]

Yeah it's not like the game was any worse with Young out.

Maybe the league should only fine the team if they lose, or only if they lose big.

Yeah it's weird because in that case the entertainment product wasn't diminished.

Reminds me of 2012 when Pop left some stars home for an away game in MIA and the league fined SA heavily for it but the Spurs almost won that game with scrubs against MIA starters and it was exciting throughout.

Do people want to see exciting games or just look at star players?

[scott]

So stupid, league overstepping its boundaries again.

[Mugen]

Should make Atlanta forfeit that Celtics win tbh.

[spurraider21]

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[LeBowen]

Wrong topic.

[objective]

In case anyone is interested in Hawks media thoughts:

Locked on Hawks host Brad Rowland said in either today's or yesterday's show, I think the mailbag one, that he expects Atlanta to win more games than they lose the rest of the season

[onechance87]

In case anyone is interested in Hawks media thoughts:

Locked on Hawks host Brad Rowland said in either today's or yesterday's show, I think the mailbag one, that he expects Atlanta to win more games than they lose the rest of the season

could happen.76ers,heat,hornets,pacers,bullls,pistons,ne ts can go full tank at any moment.

[Mr. Body]

I don't see Atlanta finishing worse than any of the teams below them with the exception of Philadelphia or New Orleans tbh and those are maybies. Then I think Detroit, Portland, Charlotte, maybe Chicago, will all start tanking at some point.

IMO the Spurs wind up in the bottom play-in area, but with a better record than straight up playoff teams in the EC. And the Hawks will also be a play-in team but with a worse record.

So the Spurs will have something like the 10 and 14 picks. CHA and CHI do not convey.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I don't see Atlanta finishing worse than any of the teams below them with the exception of Philadelphia or New Orleans tbh and those are maybies. Then I think Detroit, Portland, Charlotte, maybe Chicago, will all start tanking at some point.

IMO the Spurs wind up in the bottom play-in area, but with a better record than straight up playoff teams in the EC. And the Hawks will also be a play-in team but with a worse record.

So the Spurs will have something like the 10 and 14 picks. CHA and CHI do not convey.

Damn, would’ve loved a top 7 pick for
This draft but castle is him

[CorrectCrusader]

I don't see Atlanta finishing worse than any of the teams below them with the exception of Philadelphia or New Orleans tbh and those are maybies. Then I think Detroit, Portland, Charlotte, maybe Chicago, will all start tanking at some point.

IMO the Spurs wind up in the bottom play-in area, but with a better record than straight up playoff teams in the EC. And the Hawks will also be a play-in team but with a worse record.

So the Spurs will have something like the 10 and 14 picks. CHA and CHI do not convey.


I have higher hopes about the CHA pick. Their backcourt is decimated and Lamelo is playing like an All-NBA guard, with Miller taking a second year leap.

[exstatic]

I don't see Atlanta finishing worse than any of the teams below them with the exception of Philadelphia or New Orleans tbh and those are maybies. Then I think Detroit, Portland, Charlotte, maybe Chicago, will all start tanking at some point.

IMO the Spurs wind up in the bottom play-in area, but with a better record than straight up playoff teams in the EC. And the Hawks will also be a play-in team but with a worse record.

So the Spurs will have something like the 10 and 14 picks. CHA and CHI do not convey.

I think Chicago is going to have a hard time tanking because it will be monumentally difficult to get rid of Lavine for contract reasons in the age of the second apron. Look at New Orleans struggling to get rid of a youngger ,healthier Brandon Ingram.

[Mugen]

I don't see Atlanta finishing worse than any of the teams below them with the exception of Philadelphia or New Orleans tbh and those are maybies. Then I think Detroit, Portland, Charlotte, maybe Chicago, will all start tanking at some point.

IMO the Spurs wind up in the bottom play-in area, but with a better record than straight up playoff teams in the EC. And the Hawks will also be a play-in team but with a worse record.

So the Spurs will have something like the 10 and 14 picks. CHA and CHI do not convey.

Agree with Mr. Meltdown for once tbh

[Mugen]

I think Chicago is going to have a hard time tanking because it will be monumentally difficult to get rid of Lavine for contract reasons in the age of the second apron. Look at New Orleans struggling to get rid of a youngger ,healthier Brandon Ingram.

He'll either get hurt again or they'll trade him to the Lakers for DLo/Hachimura and a 1st tbh.

[CGD]

Damn, would’ve loved a top 7 pick for
This draft but castle is him

I think it’s still in play tbh. The wide variance with Atlanta is that the Eastern conference is ass. So they can have a relatively poor record (.400) and still fall outside the lottery. BUT, if they manage to land at 9 in the east, then they are in the draft pool with the rest of the bottom feeders including those with superior records in the West. Bascially, it’s why they vacillate from 14 to 7 on a nightly basis, as opposed to just dropping a position or two.

[exstatic]

I think it’s still in play tbh. The wide variance with Atlanta is that the Eastern conference is ass. So they can have a relatively poor record (.400) and still fall outside the lottery. BUT, if they manage to land at 9 in the east, then they are in the draft pool with the rest of the bottom feeders including those with superior records in the West. Bascially, it’s why they vacillate from 14 to 7 on a nightly basis, as opposed to just dropping a position or two.

There’s a big group of ass Eastern Conference teams just above the lottery line, and a big group of meh Western Conference teams just below it. There have been years of imbalance before, but I’ve never seen it this pronounced.

[Mr. Body]

The problem is not just that these teams are ass, it's that none of them have any pressure not to tank. Only Atlanta.

[CGD]

There’s a big group of ass Eastern Conference teams just above the lottery line, and a big group of meh Western Conference teams just below it. There have been years of imbalance before, but I’ve never seen it this pronounced.

It’s pretty bad. On the flip side, it DOES improve the chances that one of the CHA/CHI picks conveys if one of those two sneak into the 8th slot with a .400 record.

[exstatic]

The problem is not just that these teams are ass, it's that none of them have any pressure not to tank. Only Atlanta.

The problem for the EC teams currently in the playoff picture is that it’s probably too late to tank. If teams below them see them dropping games, they’ll just tank harder. We may well see an EC playoff team at like 32-50.

[CGD]

The problem is not just that these teams are ass, it's that none of them have any pressure not to tank. Only Atlanta.

Fair point. The wildcards are the Sixers and Nets tbh. Will the former make a run or shut it down? And, when Nets decide to tank will their good early start hurt them?

[Mugen]

The problem for the EC teams currently in the playoff picture is that it’s probably too late to tank. If teams below them see them dropping games, they’ll just tank harder. We may well see an EC playoff team at like 32-50.

Where there's a will, there's a way. We're not even 20 games into the season tbh.

[BackHome]

I am hoping Atlanta will fall at least in the top 10 giving us a chance to maybe get super lucky again. I think will end up anywhere from 11 to 16 depending on teams health.

[Strategic]

Hawks losers doing what we need tonight, taking an ass whipping at Cleveland.

[exstatic]

Hawks losers doing what we need tonight, taking an ass whipping at Cleveland.

It’s a double dip. They play again next game.

[spurraider21]

It’s a double dip. They play again next game.
yep they play again on Friday and then Hawks play b2b on saturday against Charlotte... thats a big one

charlotte will also be on a b2b after having played the knicks on friday

[Strategic]

Come on cavs shit fire. Don’t lose to these clowns

[onechance87]

cavs dont do this

[onechance87]

guess we can stfu about atl being bad.Fml

[spursparker9]

:lol Fuck. How did Hawks beat Boston and now Cleveland. :lol

[objective]

They beat the team with the best record in the NBA?

But but but that can't be possible!

[DPG21920]

CLE at home, being 17-1, blows a 1Q 20 point lead to lose to the Hawks because of course. So f*cking annoying.

[DPG21920]

Horrible night for Spurs. CHI loses, CHA loses and ATL beats CLE in CLE.

[onechance87]

Horrible night for Spurs. CHI loses, CHA loses and ATL beats CLE in CLE.

yup and currently losing to our biggest rivals ffs....bad day indeed

[Splits]

Tre with 22 assists jfc. we should have traded for that nig. instead we get all excited about a rookie who can't shoot straight.

[SpursGenius]

what a horrible night

[BackHome]

I didn’t know Brogdan is back playing with the Hawks I thought he was out for season. With him back playing then it’s looking more like a pick from 14 to 21 me thinks

[Strategic]

It’s a new day. Hoping Cleveland can mop the floor up with the hawks.

[onechance87]

hopefully cavs wake up stomp the hawks today.We dont need atl with more confidence

[Mal]

Those fuckers are going to win b2b against 17-1 team

[R. DeMurre]

Even though Cleveland has looked good so far this season, their achilles' heel is always going to be back court size-- and that shows against Atlanta's taller young core of Dyson, JJ, and Risacher. Garland, Mitchell, and Okoro are 6'1", 6'3", and 6'6" so each guy is at least a bit undersized for his position. You can hide one undersized guy but undersized PG/SG combos rarely win titles, and adding an undersized SF makes it close to impossible.

[rascal]

Horrible night for Spurs. CHI loses, CHA loses and ATL beats CLE in CLE.

Spurs can't count on those teams for a top 10 pick. They have to lose enough and get lucky in the lottery again to land a player better than a role player out of this draft.

[LeBowen]

Spurs can't count on those teams for a top 10 pick. They have to lose enough and get lucky in the lottery again to land a player better than a role player out of this draft.

Just because of people like you I hope we drop as far as possible in the lottery.
We will not tank anymore, how many times it has to be repeated?
We'll tank only if Wemby has a season ending injury and we really don't want that to happen.

[rascal]

Just because of people like you I hope we drop as far as possible in the lottery.
We will not tank anymore, how many times it has to be repeated?
We'll tank only if Wemby has a season ending injury and we really don't want that to happen.

Then don't expect a top 10 player or major upgrade to the roster from this draft. Good luck with this core moving forward.

[LeBowen]

Then don't expect a top 10 player or major upgrade to the roster from this draft. Good luck with this core moving forward.

Yeah, lets cry about not getting another top10 pick while we have #1, #4, #9 and #11 picks drafted in the past 4 years on the roster.
We need more, because that's the only fucking way to build a team. God forbid we trade some of those 20 picks for an upgrade or find useful pieces with picks in teens.

OKC has the best young core, their roster:
SGA - 11th pick, they got him in a trade.
Chet - 1st pick.
Williams - 12th pick.
Dort - undrafted.
Wallace - 10th pick.
Joe - 49th pick, discarded by Sixers.
Wiggins - 55th pick.

They have only one top10 pick on the roster.

I'm not going to lie, you people who still want to tank and constantly bitch about needing more players infuriate me.
Let's throw away another season because we were lucky three years in a row, right? Let's gamble with those lottery tickets instead of developing players and making some roster moves with all the picks we own.

[scott]

Still time for the Hawks to blow this one, tbh

[scott]

LOL Dyson Daniels 40-foot three daggers

[scott]

Cleveland better hope they don't get the Hawks in a 1 v 8 matchup in the playoffs, tbh

[RC_Drunkford]

Then don't expect a top 10 player or major upgrade to the roster from this draft. Good luck with this core moving forward.

exactly, like the future of basketball, Shaedon Sharpe. Who has the highest vertical in this draft class?

[TXstbobcat]

fucking hawks looking like he 90s bulls the last 2 games against the Cavs lol

[Mugen]

:lol tbh

[objective]

A healthy Hawks team is so full of decent NBA players that Champagnie, Zollins, Wesley would be getting DNP-CDs and there would be few minutes for Barnes or Jones either

[onechance87]

cavs fake ass contenders

[spursparker9]

:lol Fuck. Did the 100k fine awaken the hawks?

[scott]

Hawks in win their Cup Group

[BackHome]

Hawks looking good let’s see if they can keep it up

[mudyez]

Watching Atlanta vs Charlotte. Wow, thats some ugly basketball.

We should relax anyway. There is no way, Atlanta isn't ending up in the Play In (we should just hope as a 9th/10th) and Charlottes and Chicagos pick just won't convey.

But well...the Murray trade got us Wemby even though we needed a lot of luck to do so. So I see anything beyond that as a bonus...and I'm leaning to the chinese farmers tale anyway. Just remembering our Houston/Spurs coin flip in 2023 shows you. We lost the coin flip, so was it a bad thing or a good thing?

[onechance87]

Watching Atlanta vs Charlotte. Wow, thats some ugly basketball.

We should relax anyway. There is no way, Atlanta isn't ending up in the Play In (we should just hope as a 9th/10th) and Charlottes and Chicagos pick just won't convey.

But well...the Murray trade got us Wemby even though we needed a lot of luck to do so. So I see anything beyond that as a bonus...and I'm leaning to the chinese farmers tale anyway. Just remembering our Houston/Spurs coin flip in 2023 shows you. We lost the coin flip, so was it a bad thing or a good thing?

bro like the majority of the east is tanking.

[mudyez]

bro like the majority of the east is tanking.

Yeah, that sucks but thats the way it is. And every time you trade for another pick you know that this pick won't take part in any tank race.

It just sux that it's not enough talking to push CHA/CHI up enough.

[Raven]

i'm still shocked about how good this atlanta team is, dyson has been mindblowingly good compared to the expectations i had for him.. i really expected this team to be bottom 3 in the league, but instead everything seems to be going right for them, which capela somehow revived

[scott]

Atlanta might have gotten the better and two FRPs for Dejounte. Pretty good recovery by them.

[onechance87]

annoying...Looks like atl will be a top team in the east the next few years while we have their picks.Knicks,pacers,heat and bucks have got
worst.

[TXstbobcat]

bro like the majority of the east is tanking.

starting to think that 1 or 2 of the wnba teams could make the nba play in tournament in the east.

[exstatic]

starting to think that 1 or 2 of the wnba teams could make the nba play in tournament in the east.

There’s going to be a low to mid 30s win team in the East playoff bracket.

[TXstbobcat]

There’s going to be a low to mid 30s win team in the East playoff bracket.

Spurs could win 42 games this season and not make the play in tournament in the West. East is so fucking weak

[Death In June]

I just don’t get how you can perpetually suck as bad as the Hornets have. What a shit show organization.

[spursparker9]

:lol Eastern Conference

[spursparker9]

I just don’t get how you can perpetually suck as bad as the Hornets have. What a shit show organization.

There are some franchises that will never win a ring within the next 100 years.

Hornets is one of them :lol

[mikec]

There are some franchises that will never win a ring within the next 100 years.

Hornets is one of them :lol

Wizards is the other one.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Ugh hawks are gonna get us a low pick, hate that they’re playing well lately

[heyheymymy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHCfZTRGiI

[mudyez]

Ugh hawks are gonna get us a low pick, hate that they’re playing well lately

They are not. I don't know how they beat the Cs and Cavs but vs Charlotte they looked pretty bad. It's just that the East is silly and if you are a none tanking team in a tanking year thats enough for the Play In.