Atlanta Hawks 2025 Draft Pick Watch

[spurraider21]

so if we assume all second round picks are made equal, the hawks traded

De'Andre Hunter
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Cody Zeller
1 SRP

in exchange for

Caris Levert
Terance Mann
Georges Niang
Bones Hyland
2 FRP swaps

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

so if we assume all second round picks are made equally, the hawks traded

De'Andre Hunter
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Cody Zeller
1 SRP

in exchange for

Caris Levert
Terance Mann
Georges Niang
Bones Hyland
2 FRP swaps on swaps

Yep.

[Kevin]

Hate to say it but Extastic was correct about the Golden Ticket Theory. The Hawks were one season ending injury way from disaster and it happened year one.

[Mr. Body]

Bogi was bad and Zeller wasn't even on the team. Those moves are cutting salary. I don't really get the Hunter trade, but it's cutting salary too I guess and selling high on a player who is having an outlier season.

Remember the ATL gets the Sacramento pick and the Lakers pick this year. Sacramento could very well be lotto. They're not in terrible shape draft-wise even if they lose their own.

[scott]

Chris Haynes reporting "Trae's Young future with the Hawks is becoming murky"

Give us pouty Trae to close the season and amp those Top 4 odds!

[exstatic]

Hate to say it but Extastic was correct about the Golden Ticket Theory. The Hawks were one season ending injury way from disaster and it happened year one.

Trae turns into an expiring this summer, too, by way of a 2026 opt out. They really have to move him. I can’t see him staying after this fire sale.

[Mugen]

Haven't been keeping up with last few pages so apologies if this has already been discussed.

But IMO, there's a high chance that Trae is moved this offseason in a multi-team trade that involves the Spurs where we end up sending salary (Devin/Keldon) to the Hawks along with their picks back and Trae goes to a non-SA team.

As far as who ends up in SA, I think we go big game hunting. I'm talking Ant, Booker, or maybe Franz Wagner. Spurs would hold a lot of leverage in that hypothetical scenario tbh.

[exstatic]

Haven't been keeping up with last few pages so apologies if this has already been discussed.

But IMO, there's a high chance that Trae is moved this offseason in a multi-team trade that involves the Spurs where we end up sending salary (Devin/Keldon) to the Hawks along with their picks back and Trae goes to a non-SA team.

As far as who ends up in SA, I think we go big game hunting. I'm talking Ant, Booker, or maybe Franz Wagner. Spurs would hold a lot of leverage in that hypothetical scenario tbh.

That’s like the dumbest idea in the history of dumb ideas. We didn’t want Trae at the cost of those picks, but we’re going to pay them to let someone else have him? Fuck that. Trae young isn’t going to return any of those players you’re dreaming about, mainly due to unavailability.

[mo7888]

Haven't been keeping up with last few pages so apologies if this has already been discussed.

But IMO, there's a high chance that Trae is moved this offseason in a multi-team trade that involves the Spurs where we end up sending salary (Devin/Keldon) to the Hawks along with their picks back and Trae goes to a non-SA team.

As far as who ends up in SA, I think we go big game hunting. I'm talking Ant, Booker, or maybe Franz Wagner. Spurs would hold a lot of leverage in that hypothetical scenario tbh.

Give me Franz all day long...other than Luka, I can't think of a better fit..

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Bogi was bad and Zeller wasn't even on the team. Those moves are cutting salary. I don't really get the Hunter trade, but it's cutting salary too I guess and selling high on a player who is having an outlier season.

Remember the ATL gets the Sacramento pick and the Lakers pick this year. Sacramento could very well be lotto. They're not in terrible shape draft-wise even if they lose their own.

Sacramento pick is protected 1-12. LA is unprotected.

[scott]

:lol @ the "muh atlanta picks" crew who've spent every moment since we traded DJM talking about how those picks were untouchable bricks of gold

:lol @ the "trae sucks no way we should trade for that inefficient, no defense chucking loser" while defending inefficient, no defense chucking career loser Devin Vasselline

:lol @ the "atlanta is really screwed, they have no where to go but down, trae will probably opt out and leave" mafia

These are all the same braindead morons who talk about how we need to be patient, because we have "very good developing players" in Vassell and Sochan. Truly clueless morons who don't watch any basketball outside of the Spurs and seem confused as to why Atlanta is a better team than us.

This is the post that turned the Hawks season around.

You're welcome, SpursTalk

[scott]

That’s like the dumbest idea in the history of dumb ideas. We didn’t want Trae at the cost of those picks, but we’re going to pay them to let someone else have him? Fuck that. Trae young isn’t going to return any of those players you’re dreaming about, mainly due to unavailability.

I think Mugen's suggestion is that it would be a 3-team deal with us sending Devin/Keldon + ATL picks to ATL, Hawks send Trae somewhere, and we get a big fish back (my vote is for TMIII in this edition of Spurs fan fiction)

[exstatic]

This is the post that turned the Hawks season around.

You're welcome, SpursTalk
I guess claiming reverse jinx is one way of owning up. Portland is coming on like a freight train at 9-1 in their last 10 and Toronto, 6-4, just grabbed BI for cheap. I can see ATL dropping at least those two spots, and maybe more if Embiid is really back.

[rjv]

This is the post that turned the Hawks season around.

You're welcome, SpursTalk

Lol. So how many different ways have you had crow? baked, fried, blackened, grilled?

[scott]

I guess claiming reverse jinx is one way of owning up. Portland is coming on like a freight train at 9-1 in their last 10 and Toronto, 6-4, just grabbed BI for cheap. I can see ATL dropping at least those two spots, and maybe more if Embiid is really back.

I'm not claiming a reverse jinx at all.

A Lannister always pays his debts.

[scott]

Lol. So how many different ways have you had crow? baked, fried, blackened, grilled?

Man, I'm hoping this restaurant runs out before we get to boiled

[SpursGenius]

so if we assume all second round picks are made equal, the hawks traded

De'Andre Hunter
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Cody Zeller
1 SRP

in exchange for

Caris Levert
Terance Mann
Georges Niang
Bones Hyland
2 FRP swaps
horrible trade for Hawks. Cavs robbed them. Why would they trade pick swaps when they are the worse team ?

[SpursGenius]

I think Mugen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15519)'s suggestion is that it would be a 3-team deal with us sending Devin/Keldon + ATL picks to ATL, Hawks send Trae somewhere, and we get a big fish back (my vote is for TMIII in this edition of Spurs fan fiction)
That would be too much for TM3. Keldon one FRp two seconds max we would go.

[Mugen]

I think Mugen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15519)'s suggestion is that it would be a 3-team deal with us sending Devin/Keldon + ATL picks to ATL, Hawks send Trae somewhere, and we get a big fish back (my vote is for TMIII in this edition of Spurs fan fiction)

This.

I don't think it's too far fetched depending on how the playoffs shake out.

-Ant is from Atlanta
-Orlando has long been a rumored Trae destination and I think they're going to have to decide between Paolo/Franz sooner rather than later
-Booker is probably a long shot but who knows what the F that organization is thinking

[TheChillFactor]

I'm not claiming a reverse jinx at all.

A Lannister always pays his debts.

Yeah, but "the North remembers" (your bullshit)

[spurraider21]

i think hawks got worse at the deadline, but not in some "oh man the tank is on" way.

hunter was doing really well for them this year... but levert is playable, and zeller/bogi were awful and not playing anyway

will it be bad enough for them to fall out of the play-in? im not sure.

[rjv]

Man, I'm hoping this restaurant runs out before we get to boiled

:rollin

[SpursGenius]

Confirmed by Trae, but not by SA... Brian was probably offering Collins, Tre, Sidy and a 2028 Spurs FRP :lol
as he should

[thiste]

This is the post that turned the Hawks season around.

You're welcome, SpursTalk

Oh man you got a real winner there lol

[Mugen]

That’s like the dumbest idea in the history of dumb ideas. We didn’t want Trae at the cost of those picks, but we’re going to pay them to let someone else have him? Fuck that. Trae young isn’t going to return any of those players you’re dreaming about, mainly due to unavailability.

You've always been low on Trae so I don't expect you to understand. But we just witnessed a trade deadline that essentially saw AD land Luka, Lavine land Fox...hell we literally saw Derozan net Kawhi not too long ago :lol

All it takes is for a relationship to sour for an organization to think a newly extended Trae Young isn't too far of a drop off from a Ant/Booker/Franz tbh.

[thiste]

If Atlanta offers the Spurs Trae for their '25 FRP, do you guys take it?

[Mugen]

FWIW, IMO Franz is the holy grail of the 3rd star that you put between Fox/Wemby. Like I'd rather have him over Ant all things considered tbh.

[scott]

Oh man you got a real winner there lol

The Hawks have lost 9 of 10 since that post, and needed a Trae buzzer beater to win the other one. I take no credit for the reverse jinx, but I will gladly look stupid if it is what is best for the Spurs!

[SpursGenius]

If Atlanta offers the Spurs Trae for their '25 FRP, do you guys take it?
as long as Trae agrees to longterm deal. I think Dfox and Trae could be what cavs have with their two midgets flourishing. Garland and Mitchell both 6'3 and shorter. Except Trae and Fox better

[exstatic]

If Atlanta offers the Spurs Trae for their '25 FRP, do you guys take it?

No. Why would we want him with Fox, a superior player, already on board? Trae has been putting up some great counting stats, and they’re still 1-9 in their last 10, and that was before strip mining their team today. What a Trae does doesn’t lead to wins. A number of his efficiency stats are the worst of his career or the worst since his rookie year.

[scott]

If Atlanta offers the Spurs Trae for their '25 FRP, do you guys take it?

Nah... there is no longer a place on this roster for Trae Young (if there even was one to begin with). Best case scenario would be the third team to facilitate and get a big name that fits better back.

[scott]

FWIW, IMO Franz is the holy grail of the 3rd star that you put between Fox/Wemby. Like I'd rather have him over Ant all things considered tbh.

I don't see how Franz would fit in a lineup with Fox, Castle and Wemby. You'd basically be re-creating all the issues that ORL has with their very good young core and the lack of shooting. I like Franz a lot, but I'm not seeing the fit?

[Mugen]

I don't see how Franz would fit in a lineup with Fox, Castle and Wemby. You'd basically be re-creating all the issues that ORL has with their very good young core and the lack of shooting. I like Franz a lot, but I'm not seeing the fit?

It's a fair point. A) I'd move Castle if needed to get Franz B) I'm irrationally high on Fox/Wemby both becoming plus shooters playing off each other.

[LeBowen]

Franz "1-15 in elimination game" Wagner.

I don't want any more max contracts. If we can get Murphy, it would be amazing because of his contract.
Other than that, just get two high ends starters and stack the bench with positive contributors.

[Mal]

Wow, Shithawks just tanked with Spurs having their 1st. WOW

[DPG21920]

I really dont get the “ATL tanked” crowd? The only rotation player they lost was Hunter and the gained LeVert, Mann and Niang to replace him. I really dont think that makes Hawks that much worse but we will see..

[Ice009]

I really dont get the “ATL tanked” crowd? The only rotation player they lost was Hunter and the gained LeVert, Mann and Niang to replace him. I really dont think that makes Hawks that much worse but we will see..

I agree. I don't think they've tanked with all these moves.

[Spursfanfromafar]

All I need is some super-luck to get Flagg and then the Spurs can round out their squad with some savvy veterans around Wemby-Fox-Flagg.

[Arguendo]

That’s like the dumbest idea in the history of dumb ideas. We didn’t want Trae at the cost of those picks, but we’re going to pay them to let someone else have him? Fuck that. Trae young isn’t going to return any of those players you’re dreaming about, mainly due to unavailability.

You sure about that?
If the Spurs get involved and give the ATL swap and/or pick back, Spurs get to decide their value. If they don't ATL likely trades Trae for a comparable All-NBA guy and trend-mills, they'd have every incentive to do that instead of full rebuild with Spurs controlling '26 and owning '27. The ATL roster is solid for the East, they just need health to be a borderline Top 6 team and turn those golden ticket ATL picks into an unused swap and a #15.

Even with the cap, Min's prolly not moving off Ant until he asks out, but stranger things have happen (See: Luka 2 days ago) especially if you can get Utah involved.
Phx's window is shut, cap is fucked, and Booker is 29 in Oct. Far from untouchable, he's a 2 time All-NBA guy over 10 years. It's not 2022 anymore.

Trae is maybe a big enough piece to get a Booker, get guys like Castle, Dyson Daniels, Jalen Johnson (if Hawks go full rebuild, prolly would) +multiple picks are also in the mix a next level star may open up.
Vassell and Sochan may have a lot more valuable come June, not centerpiece value, but make potential young add-ons to rebuild/retool.

I'd be very interested in one or both of Daniels or Johnson, go all-Defense everywhere. Rockets have the Phx picks, right? They have a ton of young interesting but lack a #1, a 27 y/o Trae would be a huge upgrade over a 31.5 y/o VanVleet.

And if everything goes right for us, something like a Top 3 '25 from us and Castle to someone, and 26' & 27' to ATL is a very solid foundation to go get a legit All-NBA guy in a multi-team trade.
And I'd take all ATL calls if it'd get us an elite role player, especially a young one with potential to turn into a true star.

[Mr. Body]

I don't think their done, but I think they may try to clear some salary, still $30M over cap, way over next year.

You think they trade for talent or try to move off salary?
Niang should have real value to a contender as a 20mpg, 40% 4.4 3Pa PF on a $8.5M, $8.2M contract. I'd love to find a way to get him and move Keldon.


I really dont get the “ATL tanked” crowd? The only rotation player they lost was Hunter and the gained LeVert, Mann and Niang to replace him. I really dont think that makes Hawks that much worse but we will see..

Yeah it's just trimming salary. Hunter was a bench guy when they were healthy anyway.

[Arguendo]

No. Why would we want him with Fox, a superior player, already on board? Trae has been putting up some great counting stats, and they’re still 1-9 in their last 10, and that was before strip mining their team today. What a Trae does doesn’t lead to wins. A number of his efficiency stats are the worst of his career or the worst since his rookie year.
Okay, I'm starting to understand you.

You wouldn't trade a single '25 pick for a 26y/o 3x All-Star, with a 25.3/9.7/3.2/1.3 line, the NBA assist leader, who hasn't peaked yet?
You know you could trade Trae again, right?
You are bad at asset valuation, and clearly over value picks vs prime All-Stars.

I take Fox over Trae too, but I'm happy to turn 1 1st into many to build assets and add pieces around the best player in the league for the next decade+.

[Maddog]

Yeah it's just trimming salary. Hunter was a bench guy when they were healthy anyway.

Hunter was a bench guy but also second leading scorer at 19 Jalen Johnson third at 18.9 out for the season and Bog gone also
Not quite tanking, but probably worse off short term. Improved long term flexibility

[exstatic]

You sure about that?
If the Spurs get involved and give the ATL swap and/or pick back, Spurs get to decide their value. If they don't ATL likely trades Trae for a comparable All-NBA guy and trend-mills, they'd have every incentive to do that instead of full rebuild with Spurs controlling '26 and owning '27. The ATL roster is solid for the East, they just need health to be a borderline Top 6 team and turn those golden ticket ATL picks into an unused swap and a #15.

Even with the cap, Min's prolly not moving off Ant until he asks out, but stranger things have happen (See: Luka 2 days ago) especially if you can get Utah involved.
Phx's window is shut, cap is fucked, and Booker is 29 in Oct. Far from untouchable, he's a 2 time All-NBA guy over 10 years. It's not 2022 anymore.

Trae is maybe a big enough piece to get a Booker, get guys like Castle, Dyson Daniels, Jalen Johnson (if Hawks go full rebuild, prolly would) +multiple picks are also in the mix a next level star may open up.
Vassell and Sochan may have a lot more valuable come June, not centerpiece value, but make potential young add-ons to rebuild/retool.

I'd be very interested in one or both of Daniels or Johnson, go all-Defense everywhere. Rockets have the Phx picks, right? They have a ton of young interesting but lack a #1, a 27 y/o Trae would be a huge upgrade over a 31.5 y/o VanVleet.

And if everything goes right for us, something like a Top 3 '25 from us and Castle to someone, and 26' & 27' to ATL is a very solid foundation to go get a legit All-NBA guy in a multi-team trade.
And I'd take all ATL calls if it'd get us an elite role player, especially a young one with potential to turn into a true star.

Yes,I’m sure. ATL has been shopping Trae the last two summers, and has rolled snakeyes, and that was during a period where FRPs were flying off the shelves. This trade season had Luka and Jimmy go for one FRP, each. They’re not going to re-stock their draft picks, and they’re not getting an All Star or AllNBA player in return,because they’ll be under the gun this summer, as Trae has a 2026 opt out.

[scott]

Okay, I'm starting to understand you.

You wouldn't trade a single '25 pick for a 26y/o 3x All-Star, with a 25.3/9.7/3.2/1.3 line, the NBA assist leader, who hasn't peaked yet?
You know you could trade Trae again, right?
You are bad at asset valuation, and clearly over value picks vs prime All-Stars.

I take Fox over Trae too, but I'm happy to turn 1 1st into many to build assets and add pieces around the best player in the league for the next decade+.

After this season, there is no longer any unique value to ATL for their own pick, because the season is over and the results are known. At that point, the ATL pick is just a pick (and is worth less than picks that are higher and worth more than picks that are lower). It no longer impacts their incentive to tank or not tank. It no longer has an impact on their future, because it is now in the past. After the season, if ATL wants their picks back in moving Trae, it's the 26SWAP and the 27 pick that are relevant.

So the question is... would you trade a single FRP for Trae? Sure... but other teams would offer the same or more, so why wouldn't ATL just do that? Then the question becomes, should the Spurs give up what Trae's real value is for Trae? And the answer is no.

[Bruno]

Hawks might be a little worse than before the trade deadline. Hunter has been great for them but a player like Niang should help them with Jalen Johnson injury.

The big risk for them would be that Trae Young became fed up with a FO/ownership not trying to win and gave up on the team. This trade deadline shouldn't give him a lot of trust in them.

[couchman]

Great day for the Spurs!
I still see the Hawks ending up around 8-10th worst record and sniffing around the East play-in.
Losing Hunter probably has a bigger impact on their chances of winning the play-in.
The real news would be if they shut down Trae at some point but that only happens if he complains.

[Russ]

If the Hawks fall to 7th, which seems conceivable, the Spurs would have a 32% chance of getting top 4 just with that pick.

[BatManu20]

I really dont get the “ATL tanked” crowd? The only rotation player they lost was Hunter and the gained LeVert, Mann and Niang to replace him. I really dont think that makes Hawks that much worse but we will see..

I agree. They got worse but not significantly enough that they're suddenly going to plummet to the depths of the league. They just went on a 9-game losing streak before this, they really have nowhere to go but up with the trades tbh.

[Arguendo]

Yes,I’m sure. ATL has been shopping Trae the last two summers, and has rolled snakeyes, and that was during a period where FRPs were flying off the shelves. This trade season had Luka and Jimmy go for one FRP, each. They’re not going to re-stock their draft picks, and they’re not getting an All Star or AllNBA player in return,because they’ll be under the gun this summer, as Trae has a 2026 opt out.

Yeah, that's a fair assessment of what happen. Luka went for 1 1st, not the 2nd best 2-way player in the NBA who's averaging 25.7/11.9/3.4/1.3/2.1. He went for a single first, not a still-in-his-prime 31 y/o HOFer with a ring. Great take.
Its also an unbelievable trade, less that it happened than what they got back. Its the consensus worst trade in NBA history and it still netyed a current AS/All-NBA player, a first, and Max Christie.

Jimmy is 35, not 26. He made it clear he was done in Mia and was effectively a FA, and Riley said fuck you don't suit up. Mia is a unique, refuse to rebuild team, they traded him for a 29y/o former AS who plays the same position putting up 17.6/4.6/2.3, very similar numbers to Jimmy but 6 years younger. + backup 4 with PO experience that is valuable to Mia.

Funny that you left out a 27y/o Fox went for a 29y/o 2x AS averaging 24/4.8/4.5, 3 (2*) firsts, and 3 (5*) seconds (4 of those may be more valuable than a late 1st btw).

I get Trae can opt out, but he's opting out of a Super-Max. Much more likely he either resigns or does a sign and trade that nets you much more that Butler went for. Spurs are good at trades.

Who do you think is a better comp for a going on 27y/o Trae, a 27y/o Fox or a 36y/o Butler?
Obvi its not Luka, because your sure Trae couldn't net "an All Star or AllNBA player in return" because it hasn't happen yet.
You're bad at this

[Arguendo]

After this season, there is no longer any unique value to ATL for their own pick, because the season is over and the results are known. At that point, the ATL pick is just a pick (and is worth less than picks that are higher and worth more than picks that are lower). It no longer impacts their incentive to tank or not tank. It no longer has an impact on their future, because it is now in the past. After the season, if ATL wants their picks back in moving Trae, it's the 26SWAP and the 27 pick that are relevant.

So the question is... would you trade a single FRP for Trae? Sure... but other teams would offer the same or more, so why wouldn't ATL just do that? Then the question becomes, should the Spurs give up what Trae's real value is for Trae? And the answer is no.
Weird response, I understand incentives

The question posed was "If Atlanta offers the Spurs Trae for their '25 FRP, do you guys take it?"
The time wasn't bound by that question, other teams weren't part of the hypothetical, my response to the hypotetical of if ATL offers Trae for their '25 FRP, yes I absolutely take that deal.
I'm not sure what your even saying here, the question didn't ask about if any other teams would or could beat that offer.
Do you trade the ATL '25 for Trae? My answer was yes

[Arguendo]

So the question is... would you trade a single FRP for Trae? Sure... but other teams would offer the same or more, so why wouldn't ATL just do that? Then the question becomes, should the Spurs give up what Trae's real value is for Trae? And the answer is no.
Seriously confused by this response, I responded to a specific hypothetical, why change the hypothetical?

I don't like Trae, I didn't want any part of Trae in the off-season, I'd take Fox over Trae for the same value, and I feel confident we got Fox for much cheaper than we could have gotten Trae.
Trae + Fox means CP3 is gone, and likely crushes Castle PG development. But none of that is relevant to the hypothetical I answered.

My response was specifally to a poster who said he wouldn't trade Trae for the '25 1st.
You just made my point, Trae is worth more than that '25. Yet you somehow completely missed the clearly articulated point that you trade for value.
If you can get Trae for '25 1st, you do that and flip him.

[BackHome]

Hawks might be a little worse than before the trade deadline. Hunter has been great for them but a player like Niang should help them with Jalen Johnson injury.

The big risk for them would be that Trae Young became fed up with a FO/ownership not trying to win and gave up on the team. This trade deadline shouldn't give him a lot of trust in them.

Yeah Hunter has been balling this year so to trade him probably will impact teams flow and has to impact team morale especially after 9 losses. I can see Trae getting his offensive numbers but he is going to probably almost totally give up on defense

[Knoxxx]

I think the the realities of the new CBA and salary cap are being awakened to around the league and boosting the value of first round picks for salary cap management. Last season people were throwing them around like garbage, though those were usually non lotto or fake FRPs like our CHA.

Edit: and the grim realities of paying max salaries that are incoming.

[exstatic]

Yeah, that's a fair assessment of what happen. Luka went for 1 1st, not the 2nd best 2-way player in the NBA who's averaging 25.7/11.9/3.4/1.3/2.1. He went for a single first, not a still-in-his-prime 31 y/o HOFer with a ring. Great take.
Its also an unbelievable trade, less that it happened than what they got back. Its the consensus worst trade in NBA history and it still netyed a current AS/All-NBA player, a first, and Max Christie.

Jimmy is 35, not 26. He made it clear he was done in Mia and was effectively a FA, and Riley said fuck you don't suit up. Mia is a unique, refuse to rebuild team, they traded him for a 29y/o former AS who plays the same position putting up 17.6/4.6/2.3, very similar numbers to Jimmy but 6 years younger. + backup 4 with PO experience that is valuable to Mia.

Funny that you left out a 27y/o Fox went for a 29y/o 2x AS averaging 24/4.8/4.5, 3 (2*) firsts, and 3 (5*) seconds (4 of those may be more valuable than a late 1st btw).

I get Trae can opt out, but he's opting out of a Super-Max. Much more likely he either resigns or does a sign and trade that nets you much more that Butler went for. Spurs are good at trades.

Who do you think is a better comp for a going on 27y/o Trae, a 27y/o Fox or a 36y/o Butler?
Obvi its not Luka, because your sure Trae couldn't net "an All Star or AllNBA player in return" because it hasn't happen yet.
You're bad at this

If they could have turned Trae into another All Star or a pick haul, they would have done it already. They’re been shopping him for 18-20 months. Now,returns on trades are lower than in recent years. ATL has shown that they are not willing to pay the basic luxury tax, let alone hit either of the aprons. They’ve had that stance for the last few seasons, offloading players right and left. Trae has to know if he wants to win, he has to leave. He’s on the back half of his 20s. They won’t spend to put players around him, and we have two of their next 3 picks, and a swap option on the middle one. He will be 29 before they have a clean pick of their own. One of two things will happen this summer. He will either sign the Max extension, dooming himself to a losing career, or he will refuse, and put them in a position to have to trade him. I’m thinking it will be the latter.

He’s not super max eligible. You need to make an all NBA team the season you are extension eligible or both of the last 2 years,be DPOY, or win the MVP. Those all seem extremely unlikely for a player who couldn’t get selected as an All Star reserve. You’re bad at this.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/1218/criteria-for-a-supermax-extensions

[scott]

Weird response, I understand incentives

The question posed was "If Atlanta offers the Spurs Trae for their '25 FRP, do you guys take it?"
The time wasn't bound by that question, other teams weren't part of the hypothetical, my response to the hypotetical of if ATL offers Trae for their '25 FRP, yes I absolutely take that deal.
I'm not sure what your even saying here, the question didn't ask about if any other teams would or could beat that offer.
Do you trade the ATL '25 for Trae? My answer was yes

Okay. My answer is also yes then.

I'd also take any other Top 30 player offered to us for a single FRP.

[Ice009]

Yeah, that's a fair assessment of what happen. Luka went for 1 1st, not the 2nd best 2-way player in the NBA who's averaging 25.7/11.9/3.4/1.3/2.1. He went for a single first, not a still-in-his-prime 31 y/o HOFer with a ring. Great take.


Off topic, but who would you guys rate as the top 5 two way players in the league?

[scott]

Seriously confused by this response, I responded to a specific hypothetical, why change the hypothetical?

I answered the hypothetical. I added additional context because I don't think the hypothetical is very realistic (though who knows these days) and offered an additional hypothetical. Jus having a conversation. That' show conversations work, right?


I don't like Trae, I didn't want any part of Trae in the off-season, I'd take Fox over Trae for the same value, and I feel confident we got Fox for much cheaper than we could have gotten Trae.
Trae + Fox means CP3 is gone, and likely crushes Castle PG development. But none of that is relevant to the hypothetical I answered.

My response was specifally to Mugen who said he wouldn't trade Trae for the '25 1st.
You just made my point, Trae is worth more than that '25. Yet you somehow completely missed the clearly articulated point that you trade for value.
If you can get Trae for '25 1st, you do that and flip him.

My apologies - I did quote reply to you but I wasn't really replying to you - just to the conversation. I don't think the hypothetical is valid, because it lacks context. I was providing more context to why the hypothetical isn't really valid.

But if we just want yes or no answers to questions (which would make this website a lot more boring), then yes I would trade our FRP for Trae Young.

[Arguendo]

If they could have turned Trae into another All Star or a pick haul, they would have done it already. They’re been shopping him for 18-20 months. Now,returns on trades are lower than in recent years. ATL has shown that they are not willing to pay the basic luxury tax, let alone hit either of the aprons. They’ve had that stance for the last few seasons, offloading players right and left. Trae has to know if he wants to win, he has to leave. He’s on the back half of his 20s. They won’t spend to put players around him, and we have two of their next 3 picks, and a swap option on the middle one. He will be 29 before they have a clean pick of their own. One of two things will happen this summer. He will either sign the Max extension, dooming himself to a losing career, or he will refuse, and put them in a position to have to trade him. I’m thinking it will be the latter.

He’s not super max eligible. You need to make an all NBA team the season you are extension eligible or both of the last 2 years, be DPOY, or win the MVP. Those all seem extremely unlikely for a player who couldn’t get selected as an All Star reserve. You’re bad at this.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/1218/criteria-for-a-supermax-extensions
Mostly agree with your first paragraph, but your making a lot of assumptions as to what they turned down and how they valued him to their franchise, a franchise that is simply happy to make the playoffs.
They've built a very solid team around him that covers for his D, they are one piece away from being a perirenal Eastern Playoff team assuming health, they were Top6 when Johnson got hurt.
Contender, no, but a yearly PO team, yes. That has significant impact on the value of the swap and '27.

I stand corrected on the super max, I thought it was 2 All-NBAs and thought he had 2 already, I was wrong on both. I'd say he still has a near 50/50 chance to make it next year, but whatever. I was wrong. I can admit to being wrong and appreciate corrections.

You didn't respond to a single one of my points in the quoted post. Luka was not traded for a single first, the HOFer he was traded for somehow only came with 1 first and somehow Nico still has a job. Butler is a terrible comp, Fox is a good comp.

I'm not emotionally invested in this, not trading Hawks '25 for Trae is refusing a godfather other. The only reason to refuse it is emotional investment or otherwise being irrational.
I enjoy rational discussions, trying to figure out who is capable and who is not worth the time.

[poopbox]

If Atlanta offers the Spurs Trae for their '25 FRP, do you guys take it?

No. With the Fox trade the door on Trae is permanently shut. He already proved he can't play with another ball dominant scoring guard (Dejounte).

[Arguendo]

I answered the hypothetical. I added additional context because I don't think the hypothetical is very realistic (though who knows these days) and offered an additional hypothetical. Jus having a conversation. That' show conversations work, right?

My apologies - I did quote reply to you but I wasn't really replying to you - just to the conversation. I don't think the hypothetical is valid, because it lacks context. I was providing more context to why the hypothetical isn't really valid.

But if we just want yes or no answers to questions (which would make this website a lot more boring), then yes I would trade our FRP for Trae Young.

Oh for sure and agree that hypothetical was wildly unrealistic, apology not necessary.

I've lurked, little experience engaging on message boards, and didn't pay attention to names over the yrs. I like rational conversations with knowledgeable fans. When I saw the poster saying he wouldn't do that trade I wanted to understand his reasoning, see if he was/could be rational.
Hawks '25 for Trae is a no brainer simply for value, only reason to refuse is being irrational. Its an unrealistically lopsided trade.
Anyways, I didn't mean to derail a more interesting convo/celebration.

Back to the convo "Then the question becomes, should the Spurs give up what Trae's real value is for Trae? And the answer is no." Absolutely no, unless your getting insane value, why would you want Trae on this team. Bad fit, duplicative, kills his value, likely hurts Castle's future, etc

And back to thread topic, this is playing out almost best case for Spurs. Hawks got worse today, are incentivized to play for at least bottom 12, bottom 6-7 pick/lottery odd are in play, and its easy to imagine Trae feeling demoralized and asking out ASAP after today. '25, '26, and '27 all probably got (a lot) more valuable.
Go Blazers and Get well soon Brandon Ingram.

[Gandalf]

For what it’s worth, Hawks fans are despondent about the Hunter trade; one said something to the effect of ‘leave it to the Hawks to tank when they don’t own their own pick.’

https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/439396-hawks-trade-deandre-hunter/

[spurraider21]

hunter had largely been a disappointment but was their third best player this year after Trae and Jalen Johnson

He was their 2nd leading scorer this year (slightly ahead of johnson) and one of their top defenders

[scott]

Hawks '25 for Trae is a no brainer simply for value, only reason to refuse is being irrational. Its an unrealistically lopsided trade.


I can think of scenarios where it would still be a no brainer, but a no-brainer no.

1) Pre-lottery, ATL's seeding has dipped to deliver strong Top-4 odds. I wouldn't trade the pick straight up for Trae at that point, I'd rather just see where the ping pong balls land.
2) Post-lottery, ATL's pick ends up in the Top-4. I am not trading Flagg for Trae in any circumstance, and if it is somewhere in the 2-4 range, I'm not sure I do that trade either (at a minimum, I'm seeing if I can get someone who fits better, like my guy TMIII).

If it's only a 13.9% chance at the Top 4 and a 3% chance at #1 (like it is today), then I probably do that trade straight up with the intent on flipping Trae. I'm not sure where my cut off is for just seeing where the ping pong balls bounce instead, but honestly it's not that much higher than where it is right now. Atlanta is only 2 losses ahead of the #7 lottery seed (32% of top 4, 7% of #1)... I might be willing to roll the dice, and I'll give my rationale.

Basically, if you are getting Trae (and we are assuming that ATL did a Nico Harrison and ONLY called us) and looking to flip him - who is going to be interested? Probably a winning team. Unless it's HOU offering PHX picks, I'm going to get picks that I would value far less valuable than the #7 lottery seed in this draft based on their expected value. Yes, they could end up better... but in all likelihood they probably won't - even if we assume natural variance of that pick. I'd rather have the #7 lotto seed than multiple non-lotto picks. I actually don't rate non-lotto picks very highly at all for the Spurs, at least until we prove we can scout better.

[scott]

hunter had largely been a disappointment but was their third best player this year after Trae and Jalen Johnson

He was their 2nd leading scorer this year (slightly ahead of johnson) and one of their top defenders

Yeah, Hunter is honestly the kind of player who would be really nice for our starting SF role. He must be completely off PATFO's radar in terms of guys they like (probable) or the Hawks flat out refuse to deal with us (also probable), as I think we could have beat that CLE package if we wanted.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, Hunter is honestly the kind of player who would be really nice for our starting SF role. He must be completely off PATFO's radar in terms of guys they like (probable) or the Hawks flat out refuse to deal with us (also probable), as I think we could have beat that CLE package if we wanted.
we could have if we wanted, im not sure we would have wanted to. it would basically have been keldon + a pick package, as keldon/hunter have similar contracts. levert has more value than keldon, and they got 2 swaps and 3 second rounders. hawks probably woulda insisted on undoing their swap at least.

youd also be buying high on a guy who has been historically mid. but yes, this year's version of hunter would be nice to have

[scott]

Also... lots of talk about a resetting of the trade market... despite my feelings about Vassell I would have previously thought he was at least worth a FRP... I'm not so sure anymore. Hunter is a better (but older) player on a pretty similar contract (but fewer years). The Hunter return might be about what we could expect if we traded Dev.

[scott]

we could have if we wanted, im not sure we would have wanted to. it would basically have been keldon + a pick package, as keldon/hunter have similar contracts. levert has more value than keldon, and they got 2 swaps and 3 second rounders. hawks probably woulda insisted on undoing their swap at least.

youd also be buying high on a guy who has been historically mid. but yes, this year's version of hunter would be nice to have

I looked up Vassell and Hunter's DARKO progressions, and they are practically the same player :lol

Hopefully Vassell can also have Hunter's uptick

[Arguendo]

I can think of scenarios where it would still be a no brainer, but a no-brainer no.

Fair enough, I'd contemplated any of these not-gonna-happen scenarios as a flip of Trae and as there's functionally 0 chance NOLA/Uta/Wash/Wiz possibly win enough games to pass ATL, all 4 are hard tanking, none can get the 15+ wins itll take to pass ATL if ATL finishes 3-28 which also won't happen.
So Top-4 odds not possible and I'd still trade the #3 or worse straight up of Trae, maybe not the Flagg or Bailey. I included that in my prior post, but deleted cuz it doesn't matter.
Worst case scenario here, Trae is torching everyone else's bench with our current team. Even if he's a terrible fit, Fox/Trae/Wemby + current team may contend next yr and in '27, is better the next two yrs than anything besides Bailey or Flagg.
ATL would be very bad getting only a top 3 pick for Trae, we'd have another great lottery shot in '26 and prolly '27. Then you could almost certainly trade Fox or Trae for some assets, maybe a lot. Getting Trae for the '25 1st also significantly raises the floor of the '26 and '27 picks, it guts the engine of their team. Trae and Fox also provided great injury insurance (but obvi at a $ price tag that's not worth it).

Regardless, this was the type of insight into peoples valuation I was hoping to get, a reasoned response instead of a no.

[Arguendo]

Yeah the resetting of trade values and realization of new CBA ramifications will be very interesting. Think that'll be much clearer post draft.

Fox still got a pretty good package, at least as far as the headline goes and many of these mega-pick trades include a lot of expected low value firsts.
But the Bulls return to unload Lavine's K is pretty telling. Those 2nd Apron teams (like Phx and Min) may shock people with how they sell off assets when the time comes.

[exstatic]

Fair enough, I'd contemplated any of these not-gonna-happen scenarios as a flip of Trae and as there's functionally 0 chance NOLA/Uta/Wash/Wiz possibly win enough games to pass ATL, all 4 are hard tanking, none can get the 15+ wins itll take to pass ATL if ATL finishes 3-28 which also won't happen.
So Top-4 odds not possible and I'd still trade the #3 or worse straight up of Trae, maybe not the Flagg or Bailey. I included that in my prior post, but deleted cuz it doesn't matter.
Worst case scenario here, Trae is torching everyone else's bench with our current team. Even if he's a terrible fit, Fox/Trae/Wemby + current team may contend next yr and in '27, is better the next two yrs than anything besides Bailey or Flagg.
ATL would be very bad getting only a top 3 pick for Trae, we'd have another great lottery shot in '26 and prolly '27. Then you could almost certainly trade Fox or Trae for some assets, maybe a lot. Getting Trae for the '25 1st also significantly raises the floor of the '26 and '27 picks, it guts the engine of their team. Trae and Fox also provided great injury insurance (but obvi at a $ price tag that's not worth it).

Regardless, this was the type of insight into peoples valuation I was hoping to get from Mugen, a reasoned response.

Top 4 isn’t determined by final finish position. It’s determined by the draft lottery. Every year since 2019 when the current odds were set, at least one that finished in that group of 4 got booted by teams jumping in, and on a couple of occasions, two or three teams of the four got booted. It’s not all all impossible to get a top 4 pick from ATL. If they just drop to #8, very possible with the hard charging Portland squad and the surprising Toronto push, that gives us a 1/4 chance for top 4. One more spot if Embiid is truly back ups that to 1/3.

[Arguendo]

Top 4 isn’t determined by final finish position. It’s determined by the draft lottery. Every year since 2019 when the current odds were set, at least one that finished in that group of 4 got booted by teams jumping in, and on a couple of occasions, two or three teams of the four got booted. It’s not all all impossible to get a top 4 pick from ATL. If they just drop to #8, very possible with the hard charging Portland squad and the surprising Toronto push, that gives us a 1/4 chance for top 4. One more spot if Embiid is truly back ups that to 1/3.
Top 4 is determined by lottery, Top 4 odds are determined by standings.

[Arguendo]

I'm super hopeful Ingram gets back ASAP. He's gonna need to play and play well to get his max (feel bad for whatever teams inks that deal). Toronto could really make a play to pass ATL with a motivated BI and Trae focused on not getting hurt.

[spurraider21]

Bucks @ Hawks today, Giannis is questionable

Raptors @ OKC...

[BatManu20]

Need Giannis to play tonight but I feel like they'll prob rest him given the opposition.

[Frenchfred]

I can se the Sixers and Blazzers pass the Hawks. The Raptors got Ingram but are far behind. The Bulls will tank. The Nets are probably too far behind too. So that gives number 8 from the bottom with 26% for a top4 pick and 6% for the top1. Hopefully we get lucky

[Kevin]

With Fox in the fold Young doesn't make much sense and this is coming from someone who wanted Trae this summer. A Young/Fox backcourt would be small, ball heavy and light on defense and would cost a ton cap wise. Not a great fit.

Still the Trea/Wemby lob city would be special. I know Trea has weakness's which are undeniable but he so much fun to watch. A crafty, undersized competitor and playmaker with grittiness. Still a big fan of such an imperfect star player.

[BatManu20]

Spurs aren't trading for Trae Young :lol

[montgod]

Spurs aren't trading for Trae Young :lol

Yeah I don't even get where that came from with Fox in the fold. :wtf

[Darkwaters]

Why are we still talking about Trae Young?

[exstatic]

Why are we still talking about Trae Young?

People can’t let go.

[mo7888]

Why are we still talking about Trae Young?

The only way I'd make sense is a 3 team deal with Trae going elsewhere and a big impact player coming back like Ant, Franz etc...i.e. it's not likely to happen

[BackHome]

Yeah, Trae makes no sense very happy with Fox he is a much better defender then I thought and seems he will be a team player

[Mal]

Spurs aren't trading for Trae Young :lol

Three teams trade. Somebody has to like Trae, he is darn good player. I am thinking team like Orlando, needs him, but i dont see anybody Spurs would want to swap ATL picks there. Aint no way Franz is worth 40 mil a season to Spurs, they have Vassell and Sochan with new deal at the same price. Banchero is untouchable, rest is irrelevant

[mo7888]

Three teams trade. Somebody has to like Trae, he is darn good player. I am thinking team like Orlando, needs him, but i dont see anybody Spurs would want to swap ATL picks there. Aint no way Franz is worth 40 mil a season to Spurs, they have Vassell and Sochan with new deal at the same price. Banchero is untouchable, rest is irrelevant

Franz is worth every penny...

[ginobilized]

Franz Wagner is way up there on my list of dream forwards for the Spurs. Feels more likely in 2026 than this summer, but, he'd be a super connector on both sides of the ball.

[onechance87]

giannis ruled out today FCK

[LeBowen]

giannis ruled out today FCK

Worry not, Kuz is on the case!

https://media1.tenor.com/m/WSLLBFxWKYIAAAAd/kyle-kuzma-kuzma.gif

[scott]

Franz is worth every penny...


Franz Wagner is way up there on my list of dream forwards for the Spurs. Feels more likely in 2026 than this summer, but, he'd be a super connector on both sides of the ball.

What's y'alls take on how Franz would theoretically fit here? I feel like he'd be kind of like Sabonis tbh.

[mo7888]

What's y'alls take on how Franz would theoretically fit here? I feel like he'd be kind of like Sabonis tbh.

Much better than sabonis. He's a connector...plays D... hits deep for a decent percent and can play the 3 and 4 much better than anyone we have. He's better than most players we could target...saying all that...they'll never trade him in a Trae deal.

[Ice009]

Worry not, Kuz is on the case!

https://media1.tenor.com/m/WSLLBFxWKYIAAAAd/kyle-kuzma-kuzma.gif

What in the F is that?

[LeBowen]

What in the F is that?

No point in explaining it since you don't understand fashion.

[spursparker9]

Hawks pounding Bucks.

Fuck

[BatManu20]

What's y'alls take on how Franz would theoretically fit here? I feel like he'd be kind of like Sabonis tbh.

Very good player but Spurs desperately need shooting and he doesn't help in that department. Would only hurt our speaking right now.

[scott]

Very good player but Spurs desperately need shooting and he doesn't help in that department. Would only hurt our speaking right now.

That's my thought as well. I like Franz (and I also like Sabonis), but I don't see how he fits with the rest of our lineup.

[Mal]

yeah, Hawks are toasted beyond belief

[Mal]

What's y'alls take on how Franz would theoretically fit here? I feel like he'd be kind of like Sabonis tbh.

He does not fit Spurs at all, especially on 40 mil salary

[mudyez]

If only Philly could get it's shit together.

[ace3g]

Hawks on a 29-6 run...

7:52 - 4th





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[objective]

Locked on Hawks after the deadline had 2 things of interest to me:

1. The host said he thinks the trades actually made them better in the short term

2. If Trae doesn't sign an extension in the summer it will be a five alarm fire as far as his situation and if he'll be looking to get out. It's up to Trae, but if he has no extension the rumor mill will explode

[BackHome]

Damn Hawks win another close game and we loose another close game.

[scott]

Bad results all around tonight.

Spurs lose.
Hawks win.
Philly loses.
Miami loses.
Toronto loses.

No bueno.

[Mal]

Imagine winning quater by 28 and manage to loss a game

[scott]

Imagine winning quater by 28 and manage to loss a game

Don't need to imagine it, we lived it @LAC earlier this year unfortunately

[onechance87]

Fck u atl....Terrible day

[Sugus]

Atlanta's such a funny team tbh. I never paid attention to them before the Dejounte trade, but following their game results now, they make absolutely zero sense on a nightly basis.

Entertaining team to follow on randomness factor alone, but being a serious fan of the team sounds exhausting :lol

[BatManu20]

Hawks going to win again today tbh. They play the Wizards.

[mo7888]

Atlanta's such a funny team tbh. I never paid attention to them before the Dejounte trade, but following their game results now, they make absolutely zero sense on a nightly basis.

Entertaining team to follow on randomness factor alone, but being a serious fan of the team sounds exhausting :lol

Well, to be fair, Milwaukee is trash without Giannis.

[Frenchfred]

Bad results all around tonight.

Spurs lose.
Hawks win.
Philly loses.
Miami loses.
Toronto loses.

No bueno.

yep, bad night all around.

Most Thankathon draws that I run are giving the Spurs the 10th and 11th picks.

[RC_Drunkford]

Haws are trying everything to improve our pick odds

1887999509822574744

[ace3g]

2:11 - 3rd





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[spursparker9]

:lol Wiz

[ace3g]

10 point game now

5:46 - 4th





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[DPG21920]

Sucks. Another terrible night for SA. SA loses, Bulls lose and ATL wins. Literally could not be any worse of a night 2nd in a row.

[onechance87]

yup another bad day for us.

[Bruno]

Sucks. Another terrible night for SA. SA loses, Bulls lose and ATL wins. Literally could not be any worse of a night 2nd in a row.

Strangely, I have a way different opinion on what results are good or bad for Hawks pick.

I think it's very likely Hawks will be in the play in tournament and I'm hoping for the scenario that will knock them out of it.

A Bulls lose is a good news to me. I'm rooting for Sixers to catch them and finish 10th in the east because I think they will be a way tougher opponent for Hawks.

Spurs losing is bad but good for their pick but it also allows a Magic win which is great for Hawks pick. I'm rooting for Hawks not to climb to the 7th/8th seed and get an easier play-in tournament.

[CGD]

The difference in having 10+11 best odds at Top 4 pick (our current status) and 9+10 best odds is about 11%. That’s big

[rascal]

The difference in having 10+11 best odds at Top 4 pick (our current status) and 9+10 best odds is about 11%. That’s big

If both the Spurs and Atlanta can get into the 7 to 9 range the combined odds give the Spurs a great chance at a top 4 pick.

[CGD]

If both the Spurs and Atlanta can get into the 7 to 9 range the combined odds give the Spurs a great chance at a top 4 pick.

Yup. And even just getting the 9+10 combo gets us a 1 in 3 shot at a Top 4 pick.

[DPG21920]

Strangely, I have a way different opinion on what results are good or bad for Hawks pick.

I think it's very likely Hawks will be in the play in tournament and I'm hoping for the scenario that will knock them out of it.

A Bulls lose is a good news to me. I'm rooting for Sixers to catch them and finish 10th in the east because I think they will be a way tougher opponent for Hawks.

Spurs losing is bad but good for their pick but it also allows a Magic win which is great for Hawks pick. I'm rooting for Hawks not to climb to the 7th/8th seed and get an easier play-in tournament.

I can see that - I would really prefer Hawks to get knocked out of play-in. So I want CHI to leap them and PHI/TOR/BKY to catch them

[LeBowen]

I can see that - I would really prefer Hawks to get knocked out of play-in. So I want CHI to leap them and PHI/TOR/BKY to catch them

No way anyone other than Sixers can catch them, Raptors are 9 wins behind and Nets are desperately trying to lose games.
Maybe Chicago can keep up, but they added Collins to take care of the tank. :lol

Hawks and Sixers probably finish as 9th/10th seed, hopefully Sixers take care of them in the first play-in round.
The issue is that only two West teams will surely be worse than them, 8th best odds is the best we can hope for.

[Mugen]

Good news is that we don't really have to worry about the Hawks being that high tbh :lol

[onechance87]

Good news is that we don't really have to worry about the Hawks being that high tbh :lol

idk about that.Once again pacers,magic,heat are back to trash.

[ffadicted]

No way anyone other than Sixers can catch them, Raptors are 9 wins behind and Nets are desperately trying to lose games.
Maybe Chicago can keep up, but they added Collins to take care of the tank. :lol

Hawks and Sixers probably finish as 9th/10th seed, hopefully Sixers take care of them in the first play-in round.
The issue is that only two West teams will surely be worse than them, 8th best odds is the best we can hope for.

I’d be ecstatic with 8th. 25% chance of top 4 and near guarantee of top 10, sign me up.

I’m legitimately concerned both picks land outside top 10 this year, and Id HATE to see OKC draft higher than both our picks this year which is a very real possibility

[rascal]

No way anyone other than Sixers can catch them, Raptors are 9 wins behind and Nets are desperately trying to lose games.
Maybe Chicago can keep up, but they added Collins to take care of the tank. :lol

Hawks and Sixers probably finish as 9th/10th seed, hopefully Sixers take care of them in the first play-in round.
The issue is that only two West teams will surely be worse than them, 8th best odds is the best we can hope for.

Need the Sixers pick to fall lower as that is going to OK City. Thunder currently has 32% chance at a top 4.

[SpursBills]

Need the Sixers pick to fall lower as that is going to OK City. Thunder currently has 32% chance at a top 4.

Sixers pick is top 6 protected. That said, I still don't want the Thunder drafting in front of the Spurs

[rascal]

Sixers pick is top 6 protected. That said, I still don't want the Thunder drafting in front of the Spurs

That makes it possible for Sixers to tank for that pick.

[Ice009]

That makes it possible for Sixers to tank for that pick.

Darn, so you're saying the Sixers might tank to try and get a pick in the top 6? I hope they don't.

[rascal]

Darn, so you're saying the Sixers might tank to try and get a pick in the top 6? I hope they don't.

The positive in that is that the pick doesn't convey to OKC but yeah better for the Sixers to pass up both the Spurs and Atlanta to increase the Spurs odds of a top 4 pick.

[CGD]

Philly is the TURD in the punchbowl.

They should be better and be placing more pressure on Atlanta.

[onechance87]

guess philly aint trying to make the playoffs...bunch of morons.Easy walkin into the playoffs for atl ffs.

[RC_Drunkford]

of course the Bucks lose against Atlanta, then turn around and beat the Sixers with Embiid:pctoss

[Ice009]

Just great :(. Philadelphia are really screwing us over. Not sure if they suck this bad or a low key tanking.

[scott]

This is the post that turned the Hawks season around.

You're welcome, SpursTalk

This is the post that caused the Hawks to start winning again, and everyone else in the EC play-in hunt to start losing.

Yikes. This will be my last post on the subject this until the regular season concludes.

[slick'81]

This isn't going to end well for us is it?

[exstatic]

Darn, so you're saying the Sixers might tank to try and get a pick in the top 6? I hope they don't.

If they don’t OKC gets it, and that’s FAR worse than one or two positions for the ATL pick.

[mikec]

If they don’t OKC gets it, and that’s FAR worse than one or two positions for the ATL pick.

I'm going to throw up if OKC gets the 7th or 8th pick.

[BatManu20]

Hawks about to beat the Magic. 3 wins in a row now.

[Strategic]

Hawks win tonight in Orlando and still have 3 more against the Magic this season. Dammit

[RC_Drunkford]

That‘s cause the Magic are trash. The Spurs are just bigger trash.

[Extra Stout]

It’s up to the Spurs to revert to tank mode and try to get down to 13th in the West. If they set their minds to it they can get down to the 8th-worst record and hope for lottery luck. The Atlanta pick is going to be late lottery.

[ismael-robert]

Out-tank Philly n we good

[rascal]

Atlanta out of the lottery now.

Spurs with only a 14% chance at a top 4 pick. Try by adding more role players like what are currently on the team instead of upgrading with high draft picks.

[onechance87]

The recent atl trades could of made them better.Maybe they are not as bad as we thought.

[objective]

38 points from their trade acquisitions off the bench

Landry got B.Wrong nervous.

[Ice009]

If the Spurs actually didn't choke it away and beat the Magic the other night, maybe the Magic would have had a lot more incentive to win last night. Spurs doubly screwed themselves over throwing away that Magic game the other night.

[ffadicted]

We better buckle up and be ready to have no top 10 picks this year boys. The possibility of Atlanta being out of the lottery, spurs pick being really low lottery, and OKC getting a top 7-8 pick is so high right now.
I'm gonna throw up:pctoss

[mo7888]

This board over reacts from day to day. Atlanta goes on an 8 games losing streak then it beats a few team in an easy stretch on their schedule and people are ready to declare them something that they are not. This team will finish no better than 9th in the east. They aren't good. 9-11 in the east is their range...

[LeBowen]

They aren't good. 9-11 in the east is their range...

They're almost guaranteed to make the play-in and at that point it doesn't really matter if they're 7th or 10th seed.
They'll have a better record than at least 8 teams, maybe up to 10.
The only way they're not in 8th-10th best odds range is if they somehow make the playoffs.

[cd98]

It's going to be tough for Atlanta to fall out of the playoffs. Atlanta is trying to win, how are they going to be overtaken by Chicago, Philadelphia, Brooklyn, Toronto, Charlotte, or the Hornets? The best case scenario is they will get passed by Orlando and Philadelphia. But that stills has them in the top 10 and do you really doubt they'll not win the games for the play-in? The Spurs have a much tougher path to the play-in so maybe they will get a lottery pick, but I wouldn't doubt them going on a run to end the season either.

[Seventyniner]

They're almost guaranteed to make the play-in and at that point it doesn't really matter if they're 7th or 10th seed.
They'll have a better record than at least 8 teams, maybe up to 10.
The only way they're not in 8th-10th best odds range is if they somehow make the playoffs.

imo there's a big difference between 7th/8th and 9th/10th. In the 9/10 spot they only have to have one bad game to be knocked out, whereas in the 7/8 spot they only have to have one good game to get the playoff spot.

I would much rather them be 9/10 than 7/8, and that's a real tossup given how close DET/MIA/ATL/ORL are. Even the 10 spot looks unlikely for the Hawks given how bad the Sixers have been.

[Kevin]

Hawks are 25th in remaining strength of schedule although I find this fluctuates quite a bit week by week.

[TXstbobcat]

that pick keeps getting worse as this years hawks team looking like the 86’ Celtics

[Knoxxx]

A 15 pick looks fine. Recall last year we probably passed on some quality bigs projected 15 and later due to having the 8 pick. At 15 we can reasonably pick anyone going from 15-25 that meet a team need. Which to me looks like SF-PF-C. The earlier pick can be a SG/SF aka wing.

[ffadicted]

There’s no way the 76ers aren’t tanking on purpose right? Like Jesus Christ, Embiid George and Maxie and you’re still getting rail roaded by bottom feeder teams.

granted I havnt watched any games but good god

[mo7888]

There’s no way the 76ers aren’t tanking on purpose right? Like Jesus Christ, Embiid George and Maxie and you’re still getting rail roaded by bottom feeder teams.

granted I havnt watched any games but good god

Two of those guys aren't what they once were..

[MannyIsGod]

There’s no way the 76ers aren’t tanking on purpose right? Like Jesus Christ, Embiid George and Maxie and you’re still getting rail roaded by bottom feeder teams.

granted I havnt watched any games but good god

The Embiid drop off is catastrophic for them right now. He's just not healthy ever.

[BackHome]

Yeah the draft looks decent enough from 11 to around 23 and even 23 to 30 can find some players to replace Branham and Collins.

[rascal]

Yeah the draft looks decent enough from 11 to around 23 and even 23 to 30 can find some players to replace Branham and Collins.

Replacing the bottom of the roster with draft picks isn't the best use of the draft picks. Upgrading the starters and key rotation players is needed.

[Mal]

Yeah the draft looks decent enough from 11 to around 23 and even 23 to 30 can find some players to replace Branham and Collins.

You use 2nd round picks to fill the roster as cheap as possible

[montgod]

The Embiid drop off is catastrophic for them right now. He's just not healthy ever.

Yup, they should have traded him when they had a chance.

[onechance87]

atl making a comeback against knicks...We need them to lose fck

[Frenchfred]

atl making a comeback against knicks...We need them to lose fck

anyway, Philly, Portland, Bulls, Raptors are all losing.

[scott]

anyway, Philly, Portland, Bulls, Raptors are all losing.

I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that ATL will make the play-in. So DET and MIA winning tonight are the more important story for me. Need them to stay ahead of ATL to make sure Hawks only get the 9 or 10 seed.

[onechance87]

I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that ATL will make the play-in. So DET and MIA winning tonight are the more important story for me. Need them to stay ahead of ATL to make sure Hawks only get the 9 or 10 seed.

yup

[spursparker9]

:lol Fucking Knicks choking away 6 points with less than 10 secs

[TXstbobcat]

Fucking Hawks again!

taking the Knicks to OT

[scott]

Knicks hang on to beat the Hawks! Big wins from ORL and DET tonight, but MIA chokes away their double digit lead to OKC and loses by 14. Just need ATL to stay in 9th. No one in the east wants that 10 seed.

[TXstbobcat]

Thank you knicks. Hopefully this starts a nice hawks streak of L’s

[BatManu20]

Trae Young going to make sure this Hawks team makes the Play-In tbh.

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[Death In June]

I think the standings will essentially stay where they are and most likely net the Spurs a 10th and 11th pick. But it’d be a nice surprise to see them drop to Chicagos current spot. It'd be a significant bump in their probability for a top 4 pick (26% vs 9%).

[Knoxxx]

Thank you knicks. Hopefully this starts a nice hawks streak of L’s

Wouldn’t count on it but we’ll take it. The ATL pick even at 15-25 upgrades our current mess.

[Knoxxx]

I think the standings will essentially stay where they are and most likely net the Spurs a 10th and 11th pick. But it’d be a nice surprise to see them drop to Chicagos current spot. It'd be a significant bump in their probability for a top 4 pick (26% vs 9%).

Don’t underestimate this team’s ability to lose bigly.

[spurraider21]

they got good contributions from both Levert and Niang today... the guys they got back in the Hunter trade

[BackHome]

Damn I will say it again Tre is a Iron Man always leading his team in minutes he had 44 minutes in OT sooner or latter that has got to take a toll on his body? For the Tankers today was a good day the Hawks finally lost a close game and we got our ass pushed in and it made it abundantly clear who needs to be traded or waived and that this team coaching staff needs to be help accountable when Spring Cleaning Starts

The Tank for Flagg is still alive Ya Just Got To Believe :bobo

[onechance87]

they got good contributions from both Levert and Niang today... the guys they got back in the Hunter trade

atl front office did their homework it seems.

[exstatic]

atl front office did their homework it seems.

Had nothing to do with that. Their ownership is just cheap, and won’t even pay first level luxury tax. Hunter was due $47M for two years after this season. LeVert is expiring, and Niang has one year at $8.2M. They got off about $39M in salary.

[SpursGenius]

they got good contributions from both Levert and Niang today... the guys they got back in the Hunter trade
I thought they were dumb for giving up Hinter apparently they made a sneaky good trade. Those guys have been good since trade.

[Ice009]

Yup, they should have traded him when they had a chance.

Yep, this is a bold trade that should have been made, not the Donic for Davis trade. Philadelphia should have been the ones to make a big trade before Embiid's health issues caught up with him. Instead, Dallas give away a young Luka for an injury prone player.
The 76ers should have been the ones doing that with Embiid.


I thought they were dumb for giving up Hinter apparently they made a sneaky good trade. Those guys have been good since trade.

Making a good trade to improve the team wasn't their intention IMO. I think it was what Exstatic said, to save salary.

Gotta give Trae props. The guy plays big minutes, passes the ball, and seems to be trying hard out there to win.

[pad300]

Had nothing to do with that. Their ownership is just cheap, and won’t even pay first level luxury tax. Hunter was due $47M for two years after this season. LeVert is expiring, and Niang has one year at $8.2M. They got off about $39M in salary.

Give ATL's FO some credit, exstatic. Fixing your salary cap issues without hurting the floor product is good GM'ing. They also did better than I expected in the 2nd DJ Murray trade. Their pretty sharp...

[Knoxxx]

Those two guys they got are experienced vets with high 3 PT shooting %. Exactly the sort of bench players Spurs could use. If we could do a similar deal for Vassell that sounds like a solid blueprint.

[Mal]

atl front office did their homework it seems.

They did not. They realised that they cannot be stuck in mediocrity while Spurs have their picks. They just sold what they can, to get some assets for future. LaVert and Niang will be flipped next.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm really jealous the Hawks have Snyder. Think his team reflects how good of a coach he is.

[exstatic]

Give ATL's FO some credit, exstatic. Fixing your salary cap issues without hurting the floor product is good GM'ing. They also did better than I expected in the 2nd DJ Murray trade. Their pretty sharp...

They’ve played, what, one game so far?

It’s pretty commonly known that they’ve been shedding salary at the behest of ownership for a few years now. Jollins, Huerter, and now Hunter have all gone out with little/no salary return.

I’ll make you an sig bet that LeVert is allowed to roll off this summer, and not resigned by Atlanta. Whoever loses has to put up an sig next season saying “[username who wins the bet] knows more about Atlanta’s cap history and ownership than I do “. I have paid off such bets as recently as this season,but was allowed to take it down a week or two ago by the generous winner of the bet.

[pad300]

They’ve played, what, one game so far?

It’s pretty commonly known that they’ve been shedding salary at the behest of ownership for a few years now. Jollins, Huerter, and now Hunter have all gone out with little/no salary return.

I’ll make you an sig bet that LeVert is allowed to roll off this summer, and not resigned by Atlanta. Whoever loses has to put up an sig next season saying “[username who wins the bet] knows more about Atlanta’s cap history and ownership than I do “. I have paid off such bets as recently as this season,but was allowed to take it down a week or two ago by the generous winner of the bet.

My argument isn't that their not trying to shed salary. I agree, I expect LeVert to be let go this summer as well. But the ATL FO has found a way to do so that doesn't seem to hurt the product on the floor to a significant degree; that's good GM work.

[dn0774]

My argument isn't that their not trying to shed salary. I agree, I expect LeVert to be let go this summer as well. But the ATL FO has found a way to do so that doesn't seem to hurt the product on the floor to a significant degree; that's good GM work.

Hopefully losing Lavert hurts them next season, though. I doubt Trae is content to be on a treadmill team at best going into next year, I could see him tapping out and pushing to be traded this off season. Their entire future is banking on Risacher becoming a guy and Jalen Johnson staying healthy and convincing Trae there is a path to contention there sooner rather than later. I like both those players but I think expecting a big leap from Risacher next year might be a little optimistic.

[mo7888]

I think the next 10 games will tell the tale between if ATL is vying for the 7/8 seed or the 9/10 seed. All 10 games have no gimmies, but probably 4 of them at home are winnable. It's going to be interesting.

[RC_Drunkford]

their first 4 games will be crucial. All against teams directly ahead and behind them in the standings. Orlando/Miami/Detroit. Let's hope they lose all 4, cause if they go on a winning streak we can say goodbye to that pick being in the lottery.

[Phenomanul]

Snyder's in-game adjustments far surpass anything that Mitch can draw up. Heck, Mitch struggles making inter-game adjustments even after watching the same strategy fail game after game and even while having the benefit of game tape.

[onechance87]

atl tearing orlando up...guess we should be looking at a pick from the 20s from them.They are making the playoffs for sure

[Ice009]

Freaking great :(.

[Guru of Nothing]

I'm setting my sights on the 2026 swap deliverying us Boozer.

[rascal]

atl tearing orlando up...guess we should be looking at a pick from the 20s from them.They are making the playoffs for sure

Atlanta looks better than Orlando. Orlando doesn't look very good.

[BackHome]

Orlando has too much talent to be this bad they like us need a new coach

[pad300]

And now the magic are up by 1 at the half... panicking about early deficits in this 3 pt happy league is silly.

[onechance87]

And now the magic are up by 1 at the half... panicking about early deficits in this 3 pt happy league is silly.

nothing to panic about.The east is so bad,Expect alot of east teams to tank while atl takes advantage of it.Been expecting it.

[Ice009]

Orlando has too much talent to be this bad they like us need a new coach

Yeah, I agree. Orlando should be much, much better.

[ace3g]

4:50 - 4th





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ATL
33
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[ace3g]

14.1 - 4th





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[BackHome]

Nice

[ginobilized]

Down goes Atlanta!

[exstatic]

Let’s hope this is the locomotive of the train that the opposition runs on them, post ASB.

[onechance87]

fck u atl

[onechance87]

wrong post

[Strategic]

At least the Hawks bit it again

[playbonner15]

I think Snyder's competent enough to make the most out of this Hawks team. I'm not getting my hopes up w/ this pick tbh

[rascal]

Hawks can't seem to move higher than 11. Spurs also stuck at 10.

[spurraider21]

they've lost a couple of nailbiters since the ASB. now they play miami for 2 straight games... miami is 8th seed and ATL is 9th, so pretty significant

but theyve looked solid even when losing.

[exstatic]

I think Snyder's competent enough to make the most out of this Hawks team. I'm not getting my hopes up w/ this pick tbh

They’re 4-11 in their last 15. There’s only so much a coach can do when the FO is selling like a mad Arab at the bazaar over the last 4 years to cut costs.

[exstatic]

they've lost a couple of nailbiters since the ASB. now they play miami for 2 straight games... miami is 8th seed and ATL is 9th, so pretty significant

but theyve looked solid even when losing.

They can continue to lose nail biters and look solid, just as long as they lose.

[Mal]

I think Snyder's competent enough to make the most out of this Hawks team. I'm not getting my hopes up w/ this pick tbh

They just allow 148 points. Defense is non existing, other teams just need to use that to their advantage.

[mudyez]

It will all come down to the Play ins. Just hope they end up in the bottom game, thus having to win two games (Tre may be hot for one game, but two gives us insurrance with the second beeing away for sure).

[RC_Drunkford]

0-2 in these crucial games. Need them to lose both Miami games, although Miami sucks too.

[exstatic]

0-2 in these crucial games. Need them to lose both Miami games, although Miami sucks too.

Miami is desperate to make the playoffs, and convey THAT pick to OKC, because next year the pick becomes unprotected…in the AJ Dybantsa draft.

[spurraider21]

Miami is desperate to make the playoffs, and convey THAT pick to OKC, because next year the pick becomes unprotected…in the AJ Dybantsa draft.
obviously the losses are good. but when trying to project how the standings will shift in the last 25 or so games, obviously you want to assess how well or poorly the team is playing

[RC_Drunkford]

Miami is desperate to make the playoffs, and convey THAT pick to OKC, because next year the pick becomes unprotected…in the AJ Dybantsa draft.

that doesnt change that they are trash. I never said they were tanking. And Atlanta ain‘t tanking either, so you‘re not making a point here as usual.

[BatManu20]

Miami is 1-5 since trading Jimmy Butler. Hopefully they can turn it around tonight in ATL, but I'm not holding my breath tbh.

[BackHome]

Yeah, I think the best we can hope for is for Atlanta pick to be the 10th slot and hope we get really lucky....

[SpursBills]

I think in the end it's going to come down to Hawks vs Heat, likely 8-9 play-in to determine if Spurs get ~pick 11 and a small chance at top 4 or pick 16

[Frenchfred]

well the Hawks are going to win, the Nets lost to the Wizards, let's hope that the Blazers can beat Utah

[objective]

Kings did well to take that SA 27 pick instead of the 27 ATL pick tbh

[cd98]

I think Snyder's competent enough to make the most out of this Hawks team. I'm not getting my hopes up w/ this pick tbh

It's not just Snyder. People hate on Young, but he is good enough to make them competitive for the playoffs in the Eastern Conference. He is a top notch offensive player.

[montgod]

Dyson Daniels is what ATL thought they got in DJ. Good on Fields to make sure he was part of that trade. I believe Spurs were interested in him as well when Daniels was drafted so Fields probably still had his eye on him as a good throw in.

[BatManu20]

7 Steals last night for Dyson Daniels is ridiculous. Now averaging almost 5 Stls/per over the last 5 games. That dude may end up winning DPOY over JJJ. He's an elite defender tbh. Looks like prime Scottie Pippen out there.

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[Strategic]

Trae listed as gtd for tonight’s game at Miami. Seems like he always is but he always plays.

[TXstbobcat]

Hawks with the L tonight.

[onechance87]

fck u atl

[spurraider21]

too bad miami couldnt take both of those games

hawks next 5 games are rough. OKC, Memphis, Milwaukee, Indy, Indy. if they manage to lose 4-5 of those... their game after that against philly actually becomes potentially interesting

[Pauleta14]

It's going to be tough for them to end up lower than 9th in the East tbh

Let's hope for a immediate exist in the Play-in

[exstatic]

Bad night for the Spurs, but a good night for the 2025 picks.

[Bruno]

Eastern conference ranking:
6) Detroit: 33-26
7) Orlando: 29-31
8) Miami: 27-30
9) Atlanta: 27-32
10) Chicago: 23-36

Hawks will likely finish between 7th and 9th. They won't catch up Detroit and won't be caught by Chicago.

After that, it will depend on the play-in:
- If they qualify for the playoffs, Hawks pick will be 15th or 16th.
- If they don't qualify for the playoffs, Hawks pick will be between 10th and 12th. Odds of that pick moving in the top4 will be between 7% and 14%.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Eastern conference ranking:
6) Detroit: 33-26
7) Orlando: 29-31
8) Miami: 27-30
9) Atlanta: 27-32
10) Chicago: 23-36

Hawks will likely finish between 7th and 9th. They won't catch up Detroit and won't be caught by Chicago.

After that, it will depend on the play-in:
- If they qualify for the playoffs, Hawks pick will be 15th or 16th.
- If they don't qualify for the playoffs, Hawks pick will be between 10th and 12th. Odds of that pick moving in the top4 will be between 7% and 14%.

I agree the Hawks will definitely not catch up with Pistons but there is a chance (a slightly remote one) that the Nets might catch up with the Hawks for the 9th position. They seem to be outlasting expectations against better teams while being inconsistent against poorer teams (like Wizards). They are five and a half games behind the Hawks who have a slightly tougher remaining schedule than the Nets. If the Hawks go on a losing spree again (as has been their wont the whole season), there is a chance that the Nets could surpass them to the 9th position while the Hawks are pushed to 10th. There is no use hoping the Bulls and Sixers will be interested in keeping it competitive though.

[exstatic]

I agree the Hawks will definitely not catch up with Pistons but there is a chance (a slightly remote one) that the Nets might catch up with the Hawks for the 9th position. They seem to be outlasting expectations against better teams while being inconsistent against poorer teams (like Wizards). They are five and a half games behind the Hawks who have a slightly tougher remaining schedule than the Nets. If the Hawks go on a losing spree again (as has been their wont the whole season), there is a chance that the Nets could surpass them to the 9th position while the Hawks are pushed to 10th. There is no use hoping the Bulls and Sixers will be interested in keeping it competitive though.

Sixers are interested in keeping their pick.

[sfernald]

Sixers are interested in keeping their pick.

That's gonna be really tough. I don't see them managing to get below 5, and even if they do get to five it's really not a great leap to see two other teams jump ahead of them and they end up at 7 where okc gets their pick lol. If they end up six or higher they are almost certainly dust unless they manage to hit the lottery.

[rjv]

sixers are in a bad spot. even if they tank hard going forward, there is still a greater chance that OKC winds up with their pick. they actually have a better shot at getting into the play-in, right now, than they do of keeping their pick. supposedly, they'll have a plan for embiid by the end of the week. i guess that would give us a clearer picture of their intentions.

[spurraider21]

its not just a question of whether they can fall below 9 in the east. theres also portland in the west who can get ahead of them in the overall standings. if that happens ATL is in the 10th slot for lotto odds. that carries a 10.6% chance of moving top 4.

if they stay at 11, that number is 9.4%

anyway i think ATL has proven theyre not that bad a team to just completely spiral (even though their next 5 games are quite brutal) outside of a big injury bug. its more likely the spurs fall behind another spot or two than atlanta falling behind anybody other than portland

[quentin_compson]

That's gonna be really tough. I don't see them managing to get below 5, and even if they do get to five it's really not a great leap to see two other teams jump ahead of them and they end up at 7 where okc gets their pick lol. If they end up six or higher they are almost certainly dust unless they manage to hit the lottery.

You realize that there is a draft lottery, right? So even if the Sixers end up outside of the bottom 6 record-wise, they still might keep their pick.

[sfernald]

You realize that there is a draft lottery, right? So even if the Sixers end up outside of the bottom 6 record-wise, they still might keep their pick.

Yes, I did say at the end, "unless they manage to hit the lottery". If they don't hit the lottery they are probably fucked is what I was getting at.

[exstatic]

sixers are in a bad spot. even if they tank hard going forward, there is still a greater chance that OKC winds up with their pick. they actually have a better shot at getting into the play-in, right now, than they do of keeping their pick. supposedly, they'll have a plan for embiid by the end of the week. i guess that would give us a clearer picture of their intentions.

They’re 6.5 behind ATL with 24 games left, and no Embiid. They have no chance at the play in.

[cd98]

They’re 6.5 behind ATL with 24 games left, and no Embiid. They have no chance at the play in.

Agreed. They are making no effort to win. But those bastards better not lose the lottery and end up with a pick in the bottom of the lottery that would go to OKC.

[exstatic]

They could pass Chicago for #10, but if they don’t play in, they’ve just handed OKC #8 overall.

[rjv]

They’re 6.5 behind ATL with 24 games left, and no Embiid. They have no chance at the play in.

technically, they have a 14% chance of getting the 10th spot. but they have to out tank the nets and the raptors. perhaps we can jump toronto instead. they have the easiest schedule of all the NBA teams to close the season (philly is 26th and nets are at 17th).

[Knoxxx]

The 9 spot! Just pulled Flagg twice in a row on Tankathon!

This is an awesome website by the way. They update the win loss records practically in real time.

[Knoxxx]

technically, they have a 14% chance of getting the 10th spot. but they have to out tank the nets and the raptors. perhaps we can jump toronto instead. they have the easiest schedule of all the NBA teams to close the season (philly is 26th and nets are at 17th).

Not sure how you figure but the key thing here is 6 of the top 8 tanking teams are from the eastern. This forces them to get some wins against each other and improves our odds to out tank them.

[John B]

The 9 spot! Just pulled Flagg twice in a row on Tankathon!

This is an awesome website by the way. They update the win loss records practically in real time.

I got 1 and 11. Flagg and Wolf (can trade down for multiple picks).

[rjv]

Not sure how you figure but the key thing here is 6 of the top 8 tanking teams are from the eastern. This forces them to get some wins against each other and improves our odds to out tank them.

i can see the Spurs winning as few as 4 or 5 more games the rest of the way.

[Knoxxx]

i can see the Spurs winning as few as 4 or 5 more games the rest of the way.

I thought we’d be lucky to stay under 30 wins but it’s looking like a real possibility!

[BacktoBasics]

If Spurs don’t move up and land a top 5 in the lottery I wonder if those picks will be kicked down the road. At least one of them will be in my opinion.

[TVI]

Oh, that our luck could be this good. It would make this season worth it.

https://i.ibb.co/BxgJzxY/Tankathon.png

[spurraider21]

Oh, that our luck could be this good. It would make this season worth it.

https://i.ibb.co/BxgJzxY/Tankathon.png
spurstalk hitting the "simulate lottery" button over and over before getting this result

https://media.tenor.com/M6WgkbXFHjwAAAAM/casino-oldpeople.gif

[TVI]

spurstalk hitting the "simulate lottery" button over and over before getting this result

https://media.tenor.com/M6WgkbXFHjwAAAAM/casino-oldpeople.gif

The ultimate payoff:

https://i.ibb.co/ZRDP56Zk/image.png