Atlanta Hawks 2025 Draft Pick Watch

[spursparker9]

Fuck. They won today against Nets.

Trae with 30 and 12.

Risacher with 7 and 1 in 19mins

[onechance87]

Trae young so good.

[objective]

It'll be interesting to see if the NBA continues the harder policy on foul calls they did in the middle of the season and how that affects Young going forward. He missed almost all of the reffing change with injury.

16 fta tonight. Is the nba back to mega foul baiting or is Young just that good?

[Mitch Cumsteen]

I watched a good bit of Nets/Hawks. It felt like the Nets were going to take the game until Claxton got booted for a flagrant 2. Brooklyn had nothing inside without him.

If last night was any indication, the Hawks are going to have trouble staying out of the lottery. They play absolutely atrocious defense. The awful Nets were getting (and missing) one wide open three after another. And when Young is off the court, Atlanta was bad offensively.

[exstatic]

I watched a good bit of Nets/Hawks. It felt like the Nets were going to take the game until Claxton got booted for a flagrant 2. Brooklyn had nothing inside without him.

If last night was any indication, the Hawks are going to have trouble staying out of the lottery. They play absolutely atrocious defense. The awful Nets were getting (and missing) one wide open three after another. And when Young is off the court, Atlanta was bad offensively.

This. People are stanning ATL, but they barely beat the most obvious tank team in the league.

[LeBowen]

This. People are stanning ATL, but they barely beat the most obvious tank team in the league.

It's just one game.
As I said before, just wanting to win games is probably +10 games in W column. Especially since there are so many Eastern teams that actually won't want to win games as the season goes on.
There's no way for them to be anywhere but that 9th-11th seed range just because of those tanking teams.

[objective]

It's just one game.
As I said before, just wanting to win games is probably +10 games in W column. Especially since there are so many Eastern teams that actually won't want to win games as the season goes on.
There's no way for them to be anywhere but that 9th-11th seed range just because of those tanking teams.

Agreed on it only being 1 game.

bad teams tend to win more and be more competitive at the very start of the season

Spurs lost 60 games, started 3-2
Portland lost 61 games, started 3-3
Charlotte lost 61 games, was 2-3 to start
Wizards lost 67 games but at least started 1-1

[cd98]

Hawks have a better roster than that Nets team.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

It's just one game.
As I said before, just wanting to win games is probably +10 games in W column. Especially since there are so many Eastern teams that actually won't want to win games as the season goes on.
There's no way for them to be anywhere but that 9th-11th seed range just because of those tanking teams.

This was my take before the season, too. I get the math.

That said, Brooklyn last year "tried to win" and only got to 32 wins. A bad basketball team is a bad basketball team. A losing team plays losing basketball. I think Atlanta is a loser. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I think they are going to struggle to win games even against the tankers. They look that inept on defense.

[spurraider21]

a lot of Atlanta's ancillary pieces looked good, namely Daniels/Okongwu. Johnson still looks legit. Trae played a fine game. But they still kinda barely got by a bad Nets team. I think with how good some of ATL's individual players looked, it's a matter of time until they get some chemistry going and play at a higher level.

[rjv]

give it time, but the hawks will implode at some point this season.

[exstatic]

Hawks have a better roster than that Nets team.

Not the flex you think it is. BKN want to lose as many games as possible, and has second level strip mined their roster, trading Bridges who they got in the first level strip mine of Kyrie, KD, and Harden out the door. I expect Cam Johnson to be next, probably by the trade deadline. They are literally trying to be the worst team in basketball.

[spurraider21]

give it time, but the hawks will implode at some point this season.
they are definitely as Trae-centric as they've ever been. as nice as Johnson/Daniels/Risacher/Okongwu are, these are all guys that largely rely on Trae. Johnson has his own playmaking ability, but he's not really an initiator like Scottie Barnes or anything like that.

as long as Trae is healthy and doing is thing, he'll keep them above water. without murray, they would be much less resilient if Trae were to miss time. Trae has been a fairly durable player, last year being his worst with the broken hand... not exactly the type of concerning long term injury associated with injury prone guys

[LeBowen]

This was my take before the season, too. I get the math.

That said, Brooklyn last year "tried to win" and only got to 32 wins. A bad basketball team is a bad basketball team. A losing team plays losing basketball. I think Atlanta is a loser. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I think they are going to struggle to win games even against the tankers. They look that inept on defense.

32 wins were good for 11th seed in weak East.
There's no way Wizards, Bulls, Nets or Raptors get 32 wins this year. That's already 11th seed pretty much guaranteed for the Hawks.
I guess Detroit is going to be a bit better this year, but I don't think they're better than the Hawks.
Hornets should be in the mix, too.

As I said, 9th-11th seed, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see any way for them to finish lower.

[Mr. Body]

I watched a good bit of Nets/Hawks. It felt like the Nets were going to take the game until Claxton got booted for a flagrant 2. Brooklyn had nothing inside without him.

If last night was any indication, the Hawks are going to have trouble staying out of the lottery. They play absolutely atrocious defense. The awful Nets were getting (and missing) one wide open three after another. And when Young is off the court, Atlanta was bad offensively.

Pretty much. Atlanta barely made it past a very bad Nets team. Jalen Johnson looks like a nice utility piece. I like where Dyson Daniels is going. Risacher might be okay, but I think he'll be a bad shooter who is mostly just kind of there. They need someone to pick up the slack for Trae and I don't see it. This was a bad sign for them, but it's only one game.

[spurraider21]

Pretty much. Atlanta barely made it past a very bad Nets team. Jalen Johnson looks like a nice utility piece. I like where Dyson Daniels is going. Risacher might be okay, but I think he'll be a bad shooter who is mostly just kind of there. They need someone to pick up the slack for Trae and I don't see it. This was a bad sign for them, but it's only one game.
they are really counting on Bufkin taking a step forward this year. their backup PG yesterday was "Vit Krejci" who played for the 11:20 that Trae sat and went -8

[BackHome]

Trae also had to play 37 minutes to help beat a very very bad team

[Bruno]

Hawks will likely finish at best 9th in the east. 8 teams (Cetics, Knicks, Bucks, Cavs, 76ers, Pacers, Magic and Heat) are clearly better than them. It will take a lot of injuries to one of them to end up behind Hawks.

Hawks current main issue is that they are really bad when Young isn't on the court. Bufkin could have helped them with that but he re-injured his shoulder and could be out a long time.

[exstatic]

Hawks will likely finish at best 9th in the east. 8 teams (Cetics, Knicks, Bucks, Cavs, 76ers, Pacers, Magic and Heat) are clearly better than them. It will take a lot of injuries to one of them to end up behind Hawks.

Hawks current main issue is that they are really bad when Young isn't on the court. Bufkin could have helped them with that but he re-injured his shoulder and could be out a long time.

I’d actually subtract the Heat from your ‘better’ list. They win by being a tight cohesive unit, and I don’t see that happening this year. All Butler has to be is a little unhappy, and they’ll unravel.

They also get to keep their pick if it’s top 14, otherwise OKC gets it.

[Pauleta14]

I’d actually subtract the Heat from your ‘better’ list. They win by being a tight cohesive unit, and I don’t see that happening this year. All Butler has to be is a little unhappy, and they’ll unravel.

They also get to keep their pick if it’s top 14, otherwise OKC gets it.

Butler wants the bag next summer and knows the only thing (aside age/health obviously) that other FO hesitate about is his character.

He'll be the consumate teammate this season

[exstatic]

Butler wants the bag next summer and knows the only thing (aside age/health obviously) that other FO hesitate about is his character.

He'll be the consumate teammate this season

Everyone knows who Butler is right now, and nothing he does this year will change that. When motivated, he’s a good regular season player, and great in the post season. When not motivated, he forces his way out. He’s done that at every stop. He’s also not getting any kind of bag next year at 36 with his history of eventually being a problem everywhere he goes.

[KingKev]

Everyone knows who Butler is right now, and nothing he does this year will change that. When motivated, he’s a good regular season player, and great in the post season. When not motivated, he forces his way out. He’s done that at every stop. He’s also not getting any kind of bag next year at 36 with his history of eventually being a problem everywhere he goes.

Fully agree but with this but with the new CBA he might hit the market at a reduced rate at which point he could be a very intriguing target if we go win now.

[objective]

Butler just squatted out 3 points in the home opener. It's possible that Miami's refusal to give him an extension was more about them seeing up close that he was getting washed up and less to do with his behavior or attitude or motivation

[Pauleta14]

Everyone knows who Butler is right now, and nothing he does this year will change that. When motivated, he’s a good regular season player, and great in the post season. When not motivated, he forces his way out. He’s done that at every stop. He’s also not getting any kind of bag next year at 36 with his history of eventually being a problem everywhere he goes.

I personnaly think he's done as a main guy, too much wear and tears.

But he won't settle for that contract wise, so I'm wondering who would take the insane risk to max him out at 36yo

[exstatic]

I personnaly think he's done as a main guy, too much wear and tears.

But he won't settle for that contract wise, so I'm wondering who would take the insane risk to max him out at 36yo
No one. It’s a new age with the second apron, and players have barely started to realize what that means. You can no longer just shovel out cash. No one wants their picks frozen and moved to the end of the round. Players think this will blow over, but I really don’t see it. With past monetary punitive actions, owners just wrote bigger payroll checks, and business went no as usual. This is the first set of penalties that actually made them stop wildly spending in fear of their team being in the wilderness for a decade and unable to rebuild.

[DPG21920]

Hawks will likely finish at best 9th in the east. 8 teams (Cetics, Knicks, Bucks, Cavs, 76ers, Pacers, Magic and Heat) are clearly better than them. It will take a lot of injuries to one of them to end up behind Hawks.

Hawks current main issue is that they are really bad when Young isn't on the court. Bufkin could have helped them with that but he re-injured his shoulder and could be out a long time.

Yup. They are on THIN ICE when it comes to Trae with no Murray. Murray carried them when Trae missed time and they don’t have a replacement for that now. If Trae misses any sort of significant time, they are going to be in a lot of trouble it seems.

[DPG21920]

Double win possible for SA tonight with ATL v CHA. CHA win helps them with regard to playoffs while hurting ATL. Let’s go CHA! Unfortunately Brandon Miller is out for a week at least

[onechance87]

Double win possible for SA tonight with ATL v CHA. CHA win helps them with regard to playoffs while hurting ATL. Let’s go CHA!

brandon miller out tho....hope salun pops off tonight

[spurraider21]

Double win possible for SA tonight with ATL v CHA. CHA win helps them with regard to playoffs while hurting ATL. Let’s go CHA! Unfortunately Brandon Miller is out for a week at least
flashback to last year's season opener where Charlotte beat Atlanta and we were all super excited about it :lol

[DPG21920]

flashback to last year's season opener where Charlotte beat Atlanta and we were all super excited about it :lol

Yup lol - still hate watching ATL all year and cheering for CHA really hard

[scott]

Hopefully Miller's injury is very brief and doesn't set him back, because obviously he's key to CHA but also because I have quite a bit invested in his rookie cards :lol

[spursparker9]

lol another win. unbeaten yet

[onechance87]

trae young played 41 min.They want the playoffs bad.

[BackHome]

Dang could easily be two losses for Hawks they won again but first game Trae had to play 37 minutes and today he played 40 minutes I don’t know if he can continue to play that much?

Maybe they showcasing him for a trade?

[KingKev]

After watching last night it’s all good. We will easily be a lottery team with our own pick.

[mudyez]

Damn...this one hurts double...But hell, I refuse getting lost again in all those ATL, CHA, CHI (and for that matter Clippers) games. It's just to much to take.

Let's just assume that the ATL pick won't get us a top 5 pick...but still might get us someone usefull.

[objective]

Spurs fans so used to Pop babying and underplaying his guys that minds are getting blown by a star player playing more than 29 minutes in order to win

And he's averaged 35 minutes and change the last 3 seasons, is notorious for only playing hard on offense, and just turned 26. Young guys can play minutes.

Tim Duncan played 39 minutes a game his first 6 years, sometimes stars play

[scott]

If the ATL 25 and 27 picks end up being middling, it is what it is... no big deal. The real fail will be if the 26 swap fails to convey because we still suck.

[spursparker9]

Trae with 38 and 10. Did we make a mistake not trading for him?

Rsacher with 5 pts 1 blk

[spurraider21]

Trae and Ball were both wildly productive. But ball was turnover prone and fouled out after 29 minutes. Trae played 41.

Charlotte also missing 2 starters continues to hurt them

[KingKev]

Trae with 38 and 10. Did we make a mistake not trading for him?

Rsacher with 5 pts 1 blk

The cost for Trae was too high and he simply isn’t the type of player this organization could manage IMO.

[onechance87]

The cost for Trae was too high and he simply isn’t the type of player this organization could manage IMO.

Trae has done nothing outrageous that we cant handle.Nothing wrong with speaking up and wanting a good team to compete.
Sometimes you gotta do it thru the media to put pressure on the front office to step up.Wont be supprised if victor does this as well
if we still have a shit roster the next couple of years.

[DPG21920]

Trae is off to a great start - getting to the line a TON too. We will see if he can continue this level but so far so good for them but they have not played anyone that good yet either.

[TXstbobcat]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/blob:https://www.spurstalk.com/ddbb543a-38ff-4b1a-9dcd-402b8baeba98
best case scenario. Hawks run Trae into the ground and get him injured early.

[KingKev]

Trae has done nothing outrageous that we cant handle.Nothing wrong with speaking up and wanting a good team to compete.
Sometimes you gotta do it thru the media to put pressure on the front office to step up.Wont be supprised if victor does this as well
if we still have a shit roster the next couple of years.

Yeah well I hope that PATFO and Wemby’s relationship gets to the point of speaking behind closed doors about actually winning.

What I meant about Trae wasn’t a knock on his character but his freestyle play of basketball. Pop has enough on his hands having to manage Wemby lol.

[Mr. Body]

Atlanta played two of the very worst teams in the league and barely squeaked by. I know people here love Lamelo Ball for some reason, but other than dropping shots he was awful. Normally he hits about 33% from three and he's hot right now. But he sucks bad. Ten turnovers, fouled out. Now he's already sitting out. Just isn't a player.

Right now I just don't see much ceiling for this Hawks team. Young has looked pretty good against two awful teams. The rest of the roster has some nice developing pieces in Jalen Johnson and Dyson Daniels, but they look more like utility guys. The rest are aging players like Bogdanovic and Capela. And I really think Risacher should have been picked outside the lottery. Maybe that changes, and if he can hit shots he'll not be a bad player, but as a #1? No.

So... I see a year capping at mediocre for them at best. Trae has to carry a ton of weight and he's just not good enough to do it. He's not superstar level and that's what this team with this roster needs.

[TXstbobcat]

10.5 underdogs against OKC. Hawks should their first loss today.

[scott]

10.5 underdogs against OKC. Hawks should their first loss today.

Hopefully it kickstarts a 33 game losing streak!

[objective]

Trae is off to a great start - getting to the line a TON too. We will see if he can continue this level but so far so good for them but they have not played anyone that good yet either.

Yeah, didn't know if he would still be a foul scamming genius after the reffing adjustments last year. He did miss the changes due to injury so maybe he has immunity

[DPG21920]

Need OKC to close them out because they get Wash two in a row next games so looking at a 4-1 start unfortunately

[onechance87]

Alot of the east teams got worst including bucks,pacers and heat.Still early but hope they regain to keep hawks out the playoffs.

[rankingtear]

ATL net after 3 games is still in line with their projected win total.

[Atl Spur]

They look decent but the season is young:)

[spurraider21]

risacher doesnt really play like a rookie tbh. you can tell he has pro experience. his shot will come around eventually, and when he starts becoming a proficient movement shooter (he's still 19), he's going to be quite the weapon


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7IwGL85oKQ

[exstatic]

risacher doesnt really play like a rookie tbh. you can tell he has pro experience. his shot will come around eventually, and when he starts becoming a proficient movement shooter (he's still 19), he's going to be quite the weapon


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7IwGL85oKQ

Euros are supposedly taking over the NBA, but really just comes down to playing professional ball at 15-16 years old while Americans are dicking around on AAU teams, new ones every week. Don’t like being coached? Switch to a different team.

[spurraider21]

Euros are supposedly taking over the NBA, but really just comes down to playing professional ball at 15-16 years old while Americans are dicking around on AAU teams, new ones every week. Don’t like being coached? Switch to a different team.
i mean... yeah? :lol

i dont think people are claiming euros are just genetically predisposed to be better basketball players or anything like that.

[CGD]

^ yeah, you can see why the spurs wanted Rishacher. Just wasn’t in the cards.

[exstatic]

i mean... yeah? :lol

i dont think people are claiming euros are just genetically predisposed to be better basketball players or anything like that.

It’s obvious to some,but there’s a big group of fans, and frankly media, who either don’t see it, or refuse to acknowledge it.

[spurraider21]

^ yeah, you can see why the spurs wanted Rishacher. Just wasn’t in the cards.
yeah he just looks like the perfect long term 3 for this team. not exceptional at any one thing yet (think his shooting will wind up being great), but helps a team in just about every way. timely cutting, reasonable driving/finishing, competing on defense. just knows how to fit in and find ways to be productive. i had him at #1 as well

with that said, hard to be disappointed with Castle's early returns

[MultiTroll]

one.
Is this pick protected?

[RC_Drunkford]

Castle gon be a better player than Risacher

[exstatic]

Castle gon be a better player than Risacher

He’s also going to be better than Scoot, Amen, and Ausar, three players picked in the top 5 of a supposed better draft.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, I won't compare Risacher to Castle.

I'm glad Risacher looks good, obviously well prepared to shift in the NBA and looks fluid and capable. I have severe doubts about his shooting and, just call my shot, I don't know if he'll ever be much better than what Julian Champagnie is doing for us right now. And JC makes like $2 million a year.

[scott]

i mean... yeah? :lol

i dont think people are claiming euros are just genetically predisposed to be better basketball players or anything like that.

Well there is one person, ex, who claimed that all Slovenians were born with god given shooting talent, or some shit like that.

[spurraider21]

Well there is one person, ex, who claimed that all Slovenians were born with god given shooting talent, or some shit like that.
serbians not slovenians. i dont remember for sure if it was ex or not, may have been. it was about the assurance that Topic's 3 point shot will come around because if you pull some old serbian man off the street he will be a good shooter

funny shit

[scott]

serbians not slovenians. i dont remember for sure if it was ex or not, may have been. it was about the assurance that Topic's 3 point shot will come around because if you pull some old serbian man off the street he will be a good shooter

funny shit

Turns out it was actually RC_Drunkford. My sincerest apologies to exstatic.


I wouldn't be concerned about Topic's shooting tbh. He's Serbian and if you know anything about Serbian basketball or played against Serbs than you should know that you could grab any old man off the street and he'll most likely be a 3-point sniper. Shooting is in their DNA, there's no way he doesn't get to the point where he's efficient from 3.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302519&p=11012343&viewfull=1#post11012343

[exstatic]

Turns out it was actually RC_Drunkford. My sincerest apologies to exstatic.



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No, my thing isn’t automatic shooting improvement because of nationality, but automatic improvement because of FT %, and Topic was high 80s, IIRC.

[RC_Drunkford]

Turns out it was actually RC_Drunkford (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=53010). My sincerest apologies to exstatic (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20).



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It's not the talent per se, it's the main area of focus in their training/playground skills. Go to the balkans and play and you'll find out. There's a reason Shaq always says anybody with "ic" in their name can shoot.

[TXstbobcat]

Hawks drop their 1st of two against the Wizard tonight

[Mitch Cumsteen]

I know it was the second night of a back to back, but Atlanta has no business losing at home to the Wiz.

I stand by my original post -- the Hawks are a crap team. It doesn't matter how many other teams in the east are tanking, they suck just as bad. I will be stunned if the pick doesn't convey at a decent spot in the lottery.

[TXstbobcat]

Tre Young had a crap night shooting 2-15

[Chinook]

Anyone else keep finding themselves checking Raptors box scores and having to tell themselves it doesn't matter anymore?

[BackHome]

Lol. �� i am glad I am not the only one doing that.

[BacktoBasics]

Anyone else keep finding themselves checking Raptors box scores and having to tell themselves it doesn't matter anymore?

lol I thought it was just me.

[MI21]

Anyone else keep finding themselves checking Raptors box scores and having to tell themselves it doesn't matter anymore?

100% me.

I'm on to doing it with Chicago now. Atlanta is obviously interested but what will be, will be, the Spurs are getting the pick no matter what. The Chicago pick would be such a nice little bonus.

They are very very thin but with a lucky season of health I do think they are likely to finish somewhere in the 7-12 range, so you never know.

[spurraider21]

Anyone else keep finding themselves checking Raptors box scores and having to tell themselves it doesn't matter anymore?:lol tbh

[Mnky]

Tre Young had a crap night shooting 2-15

I'd still take Trae on the spurs.

Don't think I'd trade their pick back, not this one anyway, but other picks sure.

He also had 8 rebounds, 13 assists and got to the line for 14 pts. No perfect player but trae still fits a lot of boxes for the spurs tbh.

Trade for trae and get our 25 pick a better shot.

[Pauleta14]

Tre Young had a crap night shooting 2-15

Because of Bilal

https://x.com/chasedcsports/status/1851109153403543988

[rascal]

Anyone else keep finding themselves checking Raptors box scores and having to tell themselves it doesn't matter anymore?

You watched the Raptors pick all year for the pick to be punted away.

[exstatic]

You watched the Raptors pick all year for the pick to be punted away.

So? We got the fucking thing, and if we didn’t, it likely wouldn’t have conveyed this year. They’re hard tanking.

[Chinook]

You watched the Raptors pick all year for the pick to be punted away.

Still added excitement to what was in many ways a trying year.

[KingKev]

Anyone else keep finding themselves checking Raptors box scores and having to tell themselves it doesn't matter anymore?

Haha earlier today I actually had some brain fog if I’m rooting for Charlotte to win or lose.

[spurraider21]

Haha earlier today I actually had some brain fog if I’m rooting for Charlotte to win or lose.
win, win, win. this is the last year for it to convey. now even if it does, its lotto protected, so its at best #15 overall. but anything still infinitely better than getting 2 more second rounders :lol

the kinda questionable one is chicago. seems like the perfect world would be

2025: hornets pick conveys, so we have our own, ATL's, and Charlotte's. 3 picks

2026: bulls pick conveys, so we have our own (swap rights with ATL), and Chicago's. 2 picks

2027: we have our pick and ATL's pick. 2 picks

so in theory, the best situation from a balance perspective would be to have chicago's convey specifically next year. the protections for the bulls pick also drops from top 10 this year to top 8 each of the next 2 years, so the risk of it not conveying at all is still somewhat small. of course, if we did receive a 4th first rounder this year, we could still trade one for a pick less year with lighter protections (or use it as ammo to trade up and get more high level players in what projects to be a strong draft)

[rjv]

Anyone else keep finding themselves checking Raptors box scores and having to tell themselves it doesn't matter anymore?

i was thinking that yesterday when seeing that they were leading the nuggets late. but, in a way, we do want the raptors to do well because we need as many teams in the East to have a better record than ATL.

[Mr. Body]

Chicago looks alright, if their guard corps stays healthy. Giddey for Caruso imo was a bit of a steal.

[spurraider21]

i was thinking that yesterday when seeing that they were leading the nuggets late. but, in a way, we do want the raptors to do well because we need as many teams in the East to have a better record than ATL.
but we also need them to be worse than charlotte :lol

[exstatic]

i was thinking that yesterday when seeing that they were leading the nuggets late. but, in a way, we do want the raptors to do well because we need as many teams in the East to have a better record than ATL.

NO. We want Atlanta to FUCKING SUCK. Charlotte and to some extent Chicago have to do well for us to get their pick.

[rjv]

NO. We want Atlanta to FUCKING SUCK. Charlotte and to some extent Chicago have to do well for us to get their pick.

well, yeah we want Atlanta to suck but we want as many teams, such as Toronto, to have better records. that is all i was saying. so, every time the nets win, or the bulls, or the wizards, or the raptors, on a night that the hawks lose, it's a good night.

[Bruno]

The good news (for Spurs) about Hawks is that Hunter is out because of a sore right knee. He has had issues with this knee for years and it looks like it will continue this year.

[spurraider21]

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[DPG21920]

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[spurraider21]

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[DPG21920]

Man, back to back losses to Washington would be a MASSIVE surprise. I really thought they were a lock to go 4-1 first 5 games.

[mo7888]

Anyone else keep finding themselves checking Raptors box scores and having to tell themselves it doesn't matter anymore?

I'm there too...

[spurraider21]

btw, a nugget on the hawks PG situation...

they didnt really have a backup PG last year, at least not meaningfully. they would usually at least somewhat stagger Trae/Murray so one was on the floor at all times. the only other nominal point guards on their roster all year were Vit Krejci, Patty Mills, and Kobe Bufkin. of those:

Krejci played a total of 541 minutes across 22 games
Patty played a total of 202 minutes across 19 games
Bufkin played a total of 196 minutes across 17 games

to put those numbers into perspective, their combined 939 minutes was comparable to the 876 minutes that blake wesley played all of last year, and he only suited up for about 60 games himself

the hawks leaned heavily not just on young but on murray to pick up the PG slack when Trae was either on the bench or injured. this year without murray, they're kind of in uncharted territory as far as having to actually use backup point guards, which is partly why through 4 games, Trae is playing a career high 38 minutes per game

Dyson Daniels does play some amount of point guard, albeit he's not that much of a creator, and he's among those currently hurt. and like murray for the last two years, he's also the starting 2 for ATL.

with Krejci and Bufkin out, the only other PG on their roster is Keaton Wallace (two way). otherwise, Jalen Johnson does do some amount of ball handling but mostly on the short roll, not really as a primary initiator

they are paper thin right now, and this will be the most Trea-centric version of the Hawks we've ever seen. in the pre-dejounte days, they at least had other contributors like John Collins (before he broke down), Gallinari (while he was breaking down), and late career Lou Will. right now, while i like a good amount of their supporting pieces, they are mostly guys who are just kind of waiting to be the beneficiaries of Trae's creation

[DPG21920]

Exactly - if anything were happen to Trae ATL would be in serious trouble it appears due to the lack of guard depth after losing Murray. They would likely be in a world of hurt record wise

[Bruno]

Atlanta is also trapped by the fact that their owner doesn't want at all to pay the tax.

They have currently a roster spot wasted on Cody Zeller, who isn't with the team. They can't waive him and sign another player because it will put them above the tax. They are likely waiting Dec 15th, when he will be trade eligible, to salary dump him to a team like Detroit.

[spurraider21]

Atlanta is also trapped by the fact that their owner doesn't want at all to pay the tax.

They have currently a roster spot wasted on Cody Zeller, who isn't with the team. They can't waive him and sign another player because it will put them above the tax. They are likely waiting Dec 15th, when he will be trade eligible, to salary dump him to a team like Detroit.
do we have enough of the room exception left after the jalen mcdaniels trade to take zeller off their hands for another pick? :lol

[Bruno]

do we have enough of the room exception left after the jalen mcdaniels trade to take zeller off their hands for another pick? :lol

Not enough left. Zeller's salary is $3.5M and Spurs have $3.24M left. Spurs also don't have a roster spot available to do that kind of trade, they must waive a player first if they want to use the remaining of their room exception in a salary dump trade.

[Mal]

do we have enough of the room exception left after the jalen mcdaniels trade to take zeller off their hands for another pick? :lol

Atlanta would block Spurs` GM number if he`d make that call

[scott]

:stirpot:

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This is the injury report of a tanking team, except ATL can't tank... yet, here we are. Perhaps the basketball gods will smile upon us once again.

[BackHome]

I am counting on the basketball Gods to bless us one more time like when we got Timmy while we still had David Robinson. :lobt2:

[rascal]

Spurs need to add a future 20+ a night scorer 2nd star out of this draft with either the Atlanta pick or their own pick. This is the draft 2025 to get that type of player.

[objective]

The only one of those injuries that really matters is Bogdan, he was always a big plus in their key lineups

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The only one of those injuries that really matters is Bogdan, he was always a big plus in their key lineups

Daniels is their only player resembling a perimeter defender. Without him a competent team would easily score 130 on them. Problem is Washington in particular aren’t that but we can hope.

[objective]

Daniels is their only player resembling a perimeter defender. Without him a competent team would easily score 130 on them. Problem is Washington in particular aren’t that but we can hope.

Daniels is listed as day-to-day, Bogdan is to be re-evaluated in 4 weeks, that's where the difference is

[Mr. Body]

Wow if Daniels is out that really changes things. They need him back.

[jjspur]

I'm just glad we have Atlanta's pick no matter what they do. Where it lands and what we do with it is another conversation. Just hope we don't trade it for a 2032 future first and a 2nd round, pick.

[ambchang]

Atlanta looks pretty bad so far despite their record. I’d be really surprised if they can win more than 37 games. Well, that’d still be better than the spurs but you know what I mean. They are really one injury away (Tre, Jalen or dyson) away from a 25 win team. The roster has way too many holes as the offence is over reliant on Tre, and the defence on dyson. Jalen is there to be the secondary guy on both o and d. The rest of the roster is a bunch of very limited role players and don’t seem to mesh well. Oh wait, that’s like the spurs ….

Anyways, Charlotte pick will not convey. I have very little faith in a lamelo led team. He is an instagram baller to the core. All highlights and no actual winning basketball. Young mother killer is a decent player but he’s injured quite a bit. Besides the ball is ALWAYS in balls hands, so Brandon Killer is limited in that setup. Wife beater can rot in hell.

Chicago pick is looking good. I think it will thread the needle like the raptors pick from last year. If it does I hope it’s punted to 20132 for an unprotected swap and a too 1 protected again. That would be gold.

[spurraider21]

would be really nice if the wizards can steal a second straight win against the banged up hawks. hawks have controlled the game. wizards went on a nice run between coulibaly and poole to bring the lead down to 5, but Trae has been too good. lead back up to 10, nearly halftime. kispert has missed open look after open look for the wiz

poole is actually off to a blistering start this season. wonder if he matured some after a humbling season last year

[spurraider21]

wizards now up 10 in the 4th... pulling away?

[BackHome]

Another L by Hawks one small step to a top 5 pick - The other thing Trae is playing a lot of minutes I think he is averaging 38 minutes so will see how long he keeps that going

[Mr. Body]

Atlanta can't handle this Washington team, who look pretty fun with their three rookies and Coulibaly. Organized defense and some good team chemistry. Can't say the same for Atlanta, which seems like they're going through the motions.

I don't think Dyson Daniels would have affected this outcome much. Things could get pretty bad for Atlanta.

[DAF86]

Daniels is their only player resembling a perimeter defender. Without him a competent team would easily score 130 on them. Problem is Washington in particular aren’t that but we can hope.

Hope came through. Hawks losing twice to the Wizards is huge. Washington is one of the teams thought to be below the Hawks. Hopefully DC can keep it up.

[spurs50_]

Is Minixx even suited up?

[DPG21920]

Cannot believe with how well Trae been playing and their 2-0 start that they dropped 3 in a row including B2B to Washington. CHA looks competitive and CHI won another game tonight too. Great night outside of SA sucking.

[exstatic]

Cannot believe with how well Trae been playing and their 2-0 start that they dropped 3 in a row including B2B to Washington. CHA looks competitive and CHI won another game tonight too. Great night outside of SA sucking.

Trae never elevates his team, and they’ve been trending downward for four seasons. His empty calories mean nothing in the long haul.

[Bruno]

Hawks showed good things but they just have too many injuries right now. Missing De'Andre Hunter, Bogdan Bogdanovic, Dyson Daniels and Kobe Bufkin is a lot

[exstatic]

Hawks showed good things but they just have too many injuries right now. Missing De'Andre Hunter, Bogdan Bogdanovic, Dyson Daniels and Kobe Bufkin is a lot

They really have no backup PG. Daniels starts at the 2, and is even less of a PG than Dejounte. If Trae goes down, we’re getting a top 4 pick.

[spurraider21]

Trae never elevates his team, and they’ve been trending downward for four seasons. His empty calories mean nothing in the long haul.


They really have no backup PG. Daniels starts at the 2, and is even less of a PG than Dejounte. If Trae goes down, we’re getting a top 4 pick.
seems like he elevates them :lol

[exstatic]

seems like he elevates them :lol

They’re barely treading water over the past 3 years. He isn’t elevating them, but his absence would be like throwing a cinder block at the team treading water. Leading your team to the play in isn’t elevating them when they were better a few years ago. He’s de-elevating them.

[LeBowen]

They’re barely treading water over the past 3 years. He isn’t elevating them, but his absence would be like throwing a cinder block at the team treading water. Leading your team to the play in isn’t elevating them when they were better a few years ago. He’s de-elevating them.

He's not good enough to be the first option on a legit playoff team, but I think your'e being too harsh.
Nuggets being the best example. The best player in the league has to play 40+ minutes and put up outworldly numbers for them to beat lottery teams in OT.
Would you say that Hawks have a better supporting cast than the Nuggets?

Were you calling Luka an empty calories player while Mavs struggled?

[rjv]

Trae isn't in the same set of players as Luka and Joker. Not even close.

[LeBowen]

Trae isn't in the same set of players as Luka and Joker. Not even close.

Did I say he was? Read again.
I was just trying to point out that there's only so much one player can do in a 5v5 game.
When Hawks had a good roster, he got them to ECF.

Is he worth a supermax? Not even close, not many players are.
But he's definitely an all-star level player.

[exstatic]

He's not good enough to be the first option on a legit playoff team, but I think your'e being too harsh.
Nuggets being the best example. The best player in the league has to play 40+ minutes and put up outworldly numbers for them to beat lottery teams in OT.
Would you say that Hawks have a better supporting cast than the Nuggets?

Were you calling Luka an empty calories player while Mavs struggled?

Trae is not starting out, so the comparison to young Luka isn’t valid. He’s also not been to the Mountain like Jokic has, so his slide is not the same, and yes, some of the ATL pieces are nice and better than some of the DEN pieces. Anyone heard the name Christian Braun lately? His game kind of tanked when he had to play a larger role.

[LeBowen]

Trae is not starting out, so the comparison to young Luka isn’t valid. He’s also not been to the Mountain like Jokic has, so his slide is not the same, and yes, some of the ATL pieces are nice and better than some of the DEN pieces. Anyone heard the name Christian Braun lately? His game kind of tanked when he had to play a larger role.

I honestly have no clue how to make my point here, you guys keep missing it.
What I'm trying to say is that no matter how good of a player is, you simply can't make some teammates better and you can't win by yourself.
Their best achievements and stage of their career doesn't matter, I'm just talking about basketball ability. Jokic is the best player in the league, Luka is top3 and neither could get to the top with bad teams.

Trae is obviously a few tiers below, if not more, but a lot of people have similar expectations of him. He's not that guy.
Which playmaker other than Luka would do a better job than Trae with current Hawks squad?
I don't think Fox, Haliburton or even Brunson are much better.

When Trae keeps chucking and has low percentage games everyone keeps talking how he's not the guy, but when Brunson does it noone says shit. Completely different standards for some reason.
Haliburton was also garbage in a lot of key moments, noone said shit. Fox has way better supporting cast and he hasn't done anything.
To me they're all in Trae's tier, but he's the only one constantly getting scrutinized by the media.
And none of them are worth a supermax. Brunson taking that huge discount is what separates him from the bunch.

[Mugen]

They’re barely treading water over the past 3 years. He isn’t elevating them, but his absence would be like throwing a cinder block at the team treading water. Leading your team to the play in isn’t elevating them when they were better a few years ago. He’s de-elevating them.

So him missing time would make them sink...which means him playing elevates them. :lol

[rjv]

i think the original point is that trae isn't good enough to carry the hawks with such a depleted roster. if they get healthy, they will obviously be better but they're, at best, play-in level. and if trae also gets hurt, they'll lose even more games.

[spurraider21]

:stirpot:

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[exstatic]

So him missing time would make them sink...which means him playing elevates them. :lol

No. They’re slowly getting worse WITH him. The fact that they would sink like a rock without him doesn’t mean he elevates them. Elevation is a function of what happens when you’re WITH THE TEAM. They’re getting worse year over year WITH HIM.

[Raven]

atlanta is clearly terrible

[scott]

No. They’re slowly getting worse WITH him. The fact that they would sink like a rock without him doesn’t mean he elevates them. Elevation is a function of what happens when you’re WITH THE TEAM. They’re getting worse year over year WITH HIM.

Wait until you hear about the Spurs with Gregg Popovich.

[talkspurs]

Trae never elevates his team, and they’ve been trending downward for four seasons. His empty calories mean nothing in the long haul.


They really have no backup PG. Daniels starts at the 2, and is even less of a PG than Dejounte. If Trae goes down, we’re getting a top 4 pick.


Did he really contradict himself with only a post in between. If he does not elevate the team then him getting injured should not effect the team losing more.

[exstatic]

Did he really contradict himself with only a post in between. If he does not elevate the team then him getting injured should not effect the team losing more.

Did you read any more posts?

[talkspurs]

Did you read any more posts?

You just mad because more people are calling you out?

[exstatic]

You just mad because more people are calling you out?

Stupid people not understanding that even being on the court, his team is crap. Of course, if he’s off the court, they’re worse crap, but a #1 who’s team is in a four year slide IS NOT ELEVATING THE TEAM.

[talkspurs]

If the team is better with you on it then with you off it then you elevate the team. We are not saying how good the team is. We are just saying that he makes the team better then it would be with him not on it.

You never said elevate them to a contender.

[exstatic]

If the team is better with you on it then with you off it then you elevate the team. We are not saying how good the team is. We are just saying that he makes the team better then it would be with him not on it.

You never said elevate them to a contender.

Literally 90% of the NBA is better than their bench replacement. I guess everyone elevates their teams? Don’t be so obtuse.

Elevating your team means you’re ‘the guy’, and you make the players around you better, and your team gets better. It doesn’t mean that you're ‘the guy’ and your team gets worse year on year.

John Collins was a borderline All Star, a legit 20/10 PF who could shoot the 3. Trae turned him into a salary dump. Dejounte got worse playing with Trae. He’s had talent around him, he just drives them off.

[talkspurs]

Literally 90% of the NBA is better than their bench replacement. I guess everyone elevates their teams? Don’t be so obtuse.

Elevating your team means you’re ‘the guy’, and you make the players around you better, and your team gets better. It doesn’t mean that you're ‘the guy’ and your team gets worse year on year.

John Collins was a borderline All Star, a legit 20/10 PF who could shoot the 3. Trae turned him into a salary dump. Dejounte got worse playing with Trae. He’s had talent around him, he just drives them off.

I think you are getting team and teammates confused. You are arguing he does not make his teammates better but you keep saying team. Going by your logic you could say Lebron did not make most of his team(mates) better as most of their stats got worse.

[objective]

Collins game was ruined when he got popped for juicing then wrecked his hand and lost his shot

[exstatic]

I think you are getting team and teammates confused. You are arguing he does not make his teammates better but you keep saying team. Going by your logic you could say Lebron did not make most of his team(mates) better as most of their stats got worse.
He does neither.

[objective]

Banchero with the torn oblique. Atl catching breaks

[Mr. Body]

Wow, the EC is close to complete trash at this point.

[onechance87]

Banchero with the torn oblique. Atl catching breaks

wow wtf

[spurraider21]

Banchero with the torn oblique. Atl catching breaks
Charlotte catching breaks as well

[onechance87]

Charlotte catching breaks as well

But charlotte cares to tank.Atl dont get nothing from tanking.Bucks have been awful as well.Need them
to get it together.

[Mr. Body]

I think Orlando can keep the ship afloat, they have some decent talent. The East is just so miserably bad. If Atlanta played in the WC it'd be an instant lottery pick.

[CGD]

Charlotte catching breaks as well

We want CHA to catch these breaks though, unlike ATL.

[Mr. Body]

Somewhat interesting question, who is better, Charlotte or Atlanta?

I might say Charlotte and I hate this Charlotte roster.

[Pauleta14]

Somewhat interesting question, who is better, Charlotte or Atlanta?

I might say Charlotte and I hate this Charlotte roster.

Atlanta the better player

Charlotte the better roster

[Mr. Body]

Atlanta the better player

Charlotte the better roster

I hate LaMelo Ball but I'd take him over Trae.

[Pauleta14]

I hate LaMelo Ball but I'd take him over Trae.

He has a higher ceiling than Trae the shrimp but I think Trae is still ahead in terms of reliability of performances night in/out

I hope to jinx him but I feel Lamelo is never far from a long term injury (more than Trae)

[exstatic]

Lost, again.

[Mr. Body]

I don't see a lot of ways for the Hawks to get wins. The injuries just make it worse.

[onechance87]

I don't see a lot of ways for the Hawks to get wins. The injuries just make it worse.

they dont need alot of wins in the east.Especially with bucks,76ers and pacers looking not that much better.In the east
it looks like anybody can get in the playoffs this year.

[Mr. Body]

they dont need alot of wins in the east.Especially with bucks,76ers and pacers looking not that much better.In the east
it looks like anybody can get in the playoffs this year.

True. Milwaukee and Philly look in free fall. Philly should patch it together, maybe.

Boston


Cleveland
New York




Indiana
Orlando
Chicago
Miami

And then...

Philadelphia/Milwaukee maybe

Charlotte/Atlanta


This may be the worst Eastern Conference we've ever seen.

[mystargtr34]

I think the East shakes out like this.

Boston

Cleveland
New York

Philly
Milwaukee
Orlando
Indiana
Miami

Chicago
Charlotte
Atlanta

Brooklyn
Toronto
Washington
Detroit

I’m hoping Atlanta falls back into the bottom pack and I think Chicago and Charlotte can both be in the mix for a playin spot with the group of 5 above.

While Philly and Bucks look like dogshit atm I think they’ll get enough games from Embiid and PG to get into the top 6 and the Bucks will scrape in just because of Giannis and Middleton hopefully coming back.

Would be so good if Charlotte could sneak into the playoffs via playin and the Bulls fall outside the top 10 worst records.

Spurs could have two top 10 picks with their own and Atlanta (very likely imo) plus 2 picks in the 11-16 range with Charlotte and Chicago (unlikely though I think the Chicago puck is 50-50.

[Rubberducky]

Rooting for this Pelicans team tonight has not been good for my health. Even the hawks commentators are like wtf are they doing?

[BackHome]

Man is Zion still hurt?

[Mr. Body]

NOP is missing Zion-Murray-Murphy.

[onechance87]

NOP is missing Zion-Murray-Murphy.

damn....

[mystargtr34]

McCollum and Herb out too.

Literally 5 of their 6 best guys are out only Ingram played.

Lucky break for the Hawks.

[cutewizard]

Flagg

Is

Coming

[Mr. Body]

McCollum and Herb out too.

Literally 5 of their 6 best guys are out only Ingram played.

Lucky break for the Hawks.

Jesus, I forgot about them. Yeah.

[Ditty]

ATL has Celtics on a back to back and have them again next week.

They also have the Knicks this week and hopefully an above average Chicago Team.

[tbdog]

ATL has Celtics on a back to back and have them again next week.

They also have the Knicks this week and hopefully an above average Chicago Team.

Bulls vs Hawks will be a game thread on ST ��

[onechance87]

need atl to lose today.Beating boston can give them confidence to play better.

[Frenchfred]

need atl to lose today.Beating boston can give them confidence to play better.

30point lead for Boston, I think that we should be fine with that one. Hopefully, the other bad teams in the east start to win more games too. I feel that Detroit, Brooklyn and Charlotte could be better than Atlanta this year. Weirdly, the Pacers seem to be doing worse.

[onechance87]

30point lead for Boston, I think that we should be fine with that one. Hopefully, the other bad teams in the east start to win more games too. I feel that Detroit, Brooklyn and Charlotte could be better than Atlanta this year. Weirdly, the Pacers seem to be doing worse.

yup keep on a eye on the other other east teams as well.Hopefully charllote and bulls wins as well.Fck the east is so bad.

[Frenchfred]

yup keep on a eye on the other other east teams as well.Hopefully charllote and bulls wins as well.Fck the east is so bad.

I feel that except for a couple of teams, the playfield has been leveled even in the West. You have Boston and OKC that are clearly above everybody else, then a couple of teams outperforming at the moment (Cleveland, Phoenix, Golden State) and a group of good to average teams (NYC, LA, Dallas, Miami) and then a huge group of average teams. Finally, even the teams that are supposed to be really bad are winning some games.

[exstatic]

I feel that except for a couple of teams, the playfield has been leveled even in the West. You have Boston and OKC that are clearly above everybody else, then a couple of teams outperforming at the moment (Cleveland, Phoenix, Golden State) and a group of good to average teams (NYC, LA, Dallas, Miami) and then a huge group of average teams. Finally, even the teams that are supposed to be really bad are winning some games.

Lakers just lost to Detroit by 12, so their early start appears to be coming apart at the seams. They’re 4-4 after a 3-0 start. They were always fools gold. The league gave them a cupcake schedule to come out of the gate.

[Gandalf]

Trae Young left the game with a right rib sprain. Google says recovery time can take 3-6 weeks. Not sure if he’ll be out that long.

[Frenchfred]

Lakers just lost to Detroit by 12, so their early start appears to be coming apart at the seams. They’re 4-4 after a 3-0 start. They were always fools gold. The league gave them a cupcake schedule to come out of the gate.

yep add them to the big group of average teams.

It was a mixed night for the Spurs 2025 draft picks. Atlanta lost, that's the good news. Piston, Nets, Pacers and Blazers won but Raptors, Hornets and Bulls lost.

The Bucks and Sixers should be able to get back to at least the play-in. I feel that the Raptors, Wizards and Hornets will be really bad and worse than the Hawks. In the West, if Wemby plays like that all year long, the Spurs could be in the bottom 4.

[spursparker9]

lol Hawks suck, but there are so many teams in the East that even suckier...Detroit, Washington, Charlotte, Toronto, 7ers, Bucks

[objective]

Only 2 teams in the East with a winning record ugh

Bulls lost also

[onechance87]

Trae Young left the game with a right rib sprain. Google says recovery time can take 3-6 weeks. Not sure if he’ll be out that long.

dont think so.Hes back today already.

[spurraider21]

Lakers just lost to Detroit by 12, so their early start appears to be coming apart at the seams. They’re 4-4 after a 3-0 start. They were always fools gold. The league gave them a cupcake schedule to come out of the gate.
theyre 4-3 not 4-4

wins against minnesota, phoenix, and sacramento arent exactly cupcake wins

losses at phoenix and at cleveland are also not exactly embarrassing losses. detroit tho...

[objective]

ATL up at halftime against New York, behind 22 1st half points from Risacher

Maybe he's not as unimpactful as some hoped

[spursparker9]

Fuck. Hawks win again against NY.

Think we only can depend on our own Spurs pick :lol

[timtonymanu]

Who gives a shit about the draft when you know BWrong will select a non-shooter or even worse trade it away for a 2038 pick?

Until BWrong actually shows he's competent, I don't see the point of adding another young player who will look broken here in this shitty team structure.

[onechance87]

Fck looks like atl can be top 4 in the east.Eveybody keeps saying they are a bad team but trae young bringing out
the best out of them.Nice young of players they got going for them compared to us.

[objective]

And a tweet I saw about Jalen Johnson's last 6 games

22.7 points
11.5 rebounds
6.5 assists
1.5 steals
0.7 blocks

Combined with Risacher and Young, with Capela and Okongwu and everyone else ... Swap? What swap?

B.Wrong about to overpay homeless Jalen, i.e. Sochan

[Brazil]

Zaccharie played really well against NY. He had a difficult beginning of career on offense untill yesterday but his defense has been consistently good. Happy for the kid

[spurraider21]

he's been a reasonable contributor for them this year as a defender even when his shot wasnt falling. when he's making buckets, man he's a good cog to have. and he's still just 19, people thinking he's destined to just be a spot up shooter and occasional cutter may be surprised. did this against some of the better wing defenders in the league as well in Hart, Bridges, Anunoby

hes may not be a star, but i think we have to recognize how much ATL winning the lottery may have hurt the value of those incoming picks. id feel much better if they had a less pro-ready player like Cody Williams, Buzelis instead


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyjozEqU3YU

[John B]

And a tweet I saw about Jalen Johnson's last 6 games

22.7 points
11.5 rebounds
6.5 assists
1.5 steals
0.7 blocks

Combined with Risacher and Young, with Capela and Okongwu and everyone else ... Swap? What swap?

B.Wrong about to overpay homeless Jalen, i.e. Sochan

B-bbut he’s not a Spurs-kind of guy

[Rubberducky]

Detroit with a 40 point first quarter.

[exstatic]

VERY early, but

CLE 23 GS 9

BKN 17 BOS 7

[Strategic]

See if the Pistons can pull an epic melt down as well as the Spurs can.

[Rubberducky]

The Pistons decision making this quarter is so painful to watch.

[spursparker9]

10 points Detroit leading into 4Q...please hold it out

[CGD]

Close game. At least CHA winning their game today.

[spursparker9]

Fuck. Hawks just taken the lead. 12.5 sec left

[spurraider21]

monster left handed shot by cade for the lead. HOLD THE DOOR

[timtonymanu]

Cade!!!

[timtonymanu]

Cade with the block!!! Hawks lose!

[spurraider21]

game winning block by cade, my goodness

[spursparker9]

:clap

[scott]

Both Cade and Ivey have looked solid this year.

LOL Monte Williams.

[Mr. Body]

Some awful play on both sides in the last minutes. Terrific defense at the end.

Detroit and Atlanta look pretty evenly matched. Detroit is looking up right now.

[spurraider21]

ivey looked miserable down the stretch but did make one really nice shot to bail them out with a couple minutes to go

[CGD]

Kinda a fun game actually. Am I sick that I’m watching ATL, CHI ans CHA games these days?

[Mr. Body]

Atlanta's wins look kind of iffy. Against Charlotte and BKN as the first two games, teams that might beat them now. Against a completely injured Pels team and a good win against a NYK that hasn't looked that great. That's it. They have some harder games coming up.

[BackHome]

Atlanta lost barely and Hornets win it was a good day for Spurs

[onechance87]

Atlanta's wins look kind of iffy. Against Charlotte and BKN as the first two games, teams that might beat them now. Against a completely injured Pels team and a good win against a NYK that hasn't looked that great. That's it. They have some harder games coming up.

injuries will be a big factor,whoever is healthy between lonzo ball and trae young.Will be big for us if ball and his main role
players stay healthy.Obviously young is the head of the snake for atl.Played another 40 min game,Will see how much he can
keep this up.Not sure about bulls,Most likey will tank for sure.

[exstatic]

Both Cade and Ivey have looked solid this year.

LOL Monte Williams.

LOL, Pistons. He really didn’t want to coach last year, but they kept upping their offer until he said yes. In his intro presser, he literally said he did it for the money when asked why he took the job. Now, the Pistons are one of multiple franchises paying multiple coaches, one of them to actually coach the team,all because they failed to take a ‘no’.

[spursparker9]

Hawks vs Bulls!

A bulls win would be x2 positive
A hawks win would be x2 negative

[exstatic]

Hawks vs Bulls!

A bulls win would be x2 positive
A hawks win would be x2 negative

Yup. Double dip or double whip. We need CHI and CHA to beat down ATL every time.

[LeBowen]

Hawks already up 15, can't even hate watch this.

[onechance87]

yea most likely a win for atl

[Manu-of-steel]

Dyson Daniels is a great pick up for the Hawks. He's a pest on defense, and plays with poise.

[Em-City]

Great win for Chicago incoming

[spursparker9]

11 pts lead Chicago. Please hold on

[Manu-of-steel]

Bulls win! Great job! Thanks for the help��

[spurraider21]

lol hawks collapsed

[onechance87]

nice

[Mr. Body]

Man that must be fucking painful for Hawks fans.

[Mugen]

:lol

[CGD]

Jeez I turned off the game thinking ATL had it. lol

[Em-City]

Where do we want Chicago to finish in the standings?
Do we need a bulls pick watch?

[exstatic]

Where do we want Chicago to finish in the standings?
Do we need a bulls pick watch?

11-30 if we want the pick this year.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Where do we want Chicago to finish in the standings?
Do we need a bulls pick watch?

We want them to lose to Charlotte in the play in.

[mystargtr34]

We want them to lose to Charlotte in the play in.

Lol I never thought of that scenario but that is as close to perfect as can be

[spursparker9]

Where do we want Chicago to finish in the standings?
Do we need a bulls pick watch?

Top 10 protected. So need them to be around at least competitive to be in play-in range

[scott]

We want them to lose to Charlotte in the play in.

Unfortunately, losing the EC Play-in might give you like the7th-9th best lottery odds and the CHI pick still wouldn’t convey :lol

[objective]

Listened to the Locked On Hawks podcast, seems Trae Young had been ruled out of Tuesdays game against Boston with Achilles Tendonitis.

No word yet on any severity or if he's going to miss more games

[YoungbuckMurray]

Listened to the Locked On Hawks podcast, seems Trae Young had been ruled out of Tuesdays game against Boston with Achilles Tendonitis.

No word yet on any severity or if he's going to miss more games

yikes, if that were to pop they would be in big big trouble with that pick

[TrainOfThought5]

Listened to the Locked On Hawks podcast, seems Trae Young had been ruled out of Tuesdays game against Boston with Achilles Tendonitis.

No word yet on any severity or if he's going to miss more games

hopefully he’s got a case of the Christian mcaffreys

[ginobilized]

Tendonitis probably means he's out for 7-10 days. If it is not better by then it is deemed tendonosis which is a much bigger issue.
Something to keep an eye on as the dramas of the season unfold.

[Bruno]

I think it is just Hawks giving up on trying to win a very difficult game at Boston and giving some rest to Trae.

[Mugen]

I think it is just Hawks giving up on trying to win a very difficult game at Boston and giving some rest to Trae.

This. Trae leads the league in minutes, probably needs to be load managed. But if he were to be out for an extended period of time...:stirpot:

[exstatic]

Or maybe he has achilles tendonitis. That’s pretty specific, and not something you use to rest a guy for one game.

[Thomas82]

How are the Hawks able to keep up with the Celtics without Little El DeBarge?

[playbonner15]

LOL looks like Hawks will win

[onechance87]

wow lol

[Raven]

damn, somebody bring that pos back, he is needed.

[Rubberducky]

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExc3M2bTloaHU0a2xrZTZ0OHdoMGdudWl 4MTB4c2g3emlmOTVqM2NzMSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/26gJyXliBs4hRWaPu/giphy.gif

[Ni-G]

How???

[DAF86]

Silver lining: the Hawks beating the Celtics minus Trae might be a good thing? Just throeing shit at the wall.

[playbonner15]

How???

Dyson Daniels

[onechance87]

How???

i mean it looks like hawks have the better team,Which is odd.They dont got a bad team.

[spursparker9]

Fuck...how did Hawks win Celtics?

[onechance87]

Silver lining: the Hawks beating the Celtics minus Trae might be a good thing? Just throeing shit at the wall.

They are a good team and not a bad team like we think.

[DAF86]

They are a good team and not a bad team like we think.

They are 5-7. Should have been 4-8 if not for this flukey win. They aren't good. The problem is that almost nobody is good in the East, so their record will get inflated.

[onechance87]

They are 5-7. Should have been 4-8 if not for this flukey win. They aren't good. The problem is that almost nobody is good in the East, so their record will get inflated.

how you gonna say they are not a good team after they beat boston at home.We thought they would lose to the knicks and they beat
them as well a few days ago.

[R. DeMurre]

Dyson Daniels with maybe the best game of his career: 28 pts, 7 assists, 6 steals, 3 rebs... he's essentially becoming, in his third year at age 21, what the Spurs are hoping Castle will be in the future.

[Thomas82]

The Celtics couldn't hit their free throws in crunch time and ended up giving the game away.

[Manu-of-steel]

Dyson Daniels again. Hawks really did their due diligence on him. Or may be it's just luck that he was taken by the Hawks. He's
a really go
od two way player, and at the age of 21, scratching the surface of what he's capable of doin

[DAF86]

how you gonna say they are not a good team after they beat boston at home.We thought they would lose to the knicks and they beat
them as well a few days ago.

Because one or two flukey games don't define a team. Last year the Spurs beat a bunch of good teams (Knicks, Nuggets, Thunder, Wolves etc.) yet you wouldn't say they were good, would you?

[Mr. Body]

The Celtics haven't been playing great lately.

Good teams don't get up for worse teams sometimes. Minnesota got trussed up and slaughtered by Portland.

And the Hawks may be better without Trae. We'll see.

[exstatic]

The Celtics haven't been playing great lately.

Good teams don't get up for worse teams sometimes. Minnesota got trussed up and slaughtered by Portland.

And the Hawks may be better without Trae. We'll see.

Yeah, I’ve been tracking the nba dot com score page, and they’re consistently getting down double digits early. It was going to eventually bite them in the ass, and I guess last night was the night.