Atlanta Hawks 2025 Draft Pick Watch

[exstatic]

Chicago has a gimme and they get blown out.

Fucking awful. Losing to a team that wants to be beaten.

[onechance87]

Detriot win is bad as well...Need nets and atl to lose today.Phily and miami winning would help as well

[BackHome]

Yeah you can tell the Bulls are going to pull a Dallas they staying just around the 10 or 11 spot they know what the assignment is

[onechance87]

Yeah you can tell the Bulls are going to pull a Dallas they staying just around the 10 or 11 spot they know what the assignment is

wym

[mystargtr34]

Yeah you can tell the Bulls are going to pull a Dallas they staying just around the 10 or 11 spot they know what the assignment is

Agree.

Wizards, Hornets, Raptors, Nets will stay below them in the East.

Pelicans, Jazz, Blazers in the West.

That leaves the Bulls at 8th draft spot. They will be watching other teams around them in the standings such as the Pistons and Kings and will make sure they don’t drop to 11 or 12 in the draft order. Even if it means sacrificing a playin spot.

[mystargtr34]

Good to see the Hawks getting their assholes punched in tonight. Every loss counts.

They have a tough run coming up hopefully they rack up a few L’s.

[onechance87]

Agree.

Wizards, Hornets, Raptors, Nets will stay below them in the East.

Pelicans, Jazz, Blazers in the West.



That leaves the Bulls at 8th draft spot. They will be watching other teams around them in the standings such as the Pistons and Kings and will make sure they don’t drop to 11 or 12 in the draft order. Even if it means sacrificing a playin spot.

oh yea forgot dallas did this a couple years ago.

[exstatic]

Yeah you can tell the Bulls are going to pull a Dallas they staying just around the 10 or 11 spot they know what the assignment is

Dallas just got lucky. They were one place inside their protected range, and no one jumped them to push them out. I the si drafts with the flattened odds, they would have lost that pick twice.

[Atl Spur]

The bulls should just tank vs hovering around 10/11 etc…

[slick'81]

Picks are falling further out of relevance

[scott]

Picks are falling further out of relevance

And this draft, outside of the top few guys, is looking weaker and weaker. On Vecenie's recent pod, he said that he is having difficulty finding guys who are even worth a lottery pick (with that caveat that it is still early)

[Kevin]

Bulls will tank out of giving the Spurs their pick. Lots of trade smoke around LaVine, Vuech, and Ball. Holding other teams picks is overrated. Teams will only tank against you but not for you. Consolidate these picks into a star already.

[exstatic]

Bulls will tank out of giving the Spurs their pick. Lots of trade smoke around LaVine, Vuech, and Ball. Holding other teams picks is overrated. Teams will only tank against you but not for you. Consolidate these picks into a star already.

The longer they hold the players trying to get their price,the worse their chances of actually tanking. That’s also only this year. The odds increase the next two, as the protection drops to 1-8.

[spursparker9]

Lakers by 10 over Hawks...going into 4Q

[BatManu20]

Hawks lose. We'll take em when we can get em. They play again tomorrow night @ the Clippers, followed by the Rockets and Suns at home.

[DPG21920]

Im still in shock that CLE lost back to back to ATL and basically has not lost any other games all season lmao

[BacktoBasics]

Im still in shock that CLE lost back to back to ATL and basically has not lost any other games all season lmao

Cleveland is a good example of why you keep a core together and don’t panic. They’ve had bumps. Everyone thought Mitchell was a malcontent that demanded Garland be moved. That core came together and the narrative magically went away.

The Mobley pick was instrumental and Vert has filled gaps.

They may have it or may be one player away.

[Ditty]

People need to stop acting like ATL is a good team.

They are not. They are awful defensively and are awful without Jalen or Deandre this season.

[mo7888]

They are regressing to the mean. It was always going to happen. Their pick will end up from 11 to 15. All of the Atl fluffing going on here was just nonsense.

[Mr. Body]

Atlanta is more mediocre than awful, but beating Boston and Cleveland twice were great wins.

[exstatic]

Atlanta is more mediocre than awful, but beating Boston and Cleveland twice were great wins.

They were ‘playing over their heads’ wins, and I can’t wait for next time around on both, when neither team will likely rest anyone, a common occurrence against ATL this year, and the genesis of a pile of their wins.

[LeBowen]

They were ‘playing over their heads’ wins, and I can’t wait for next time around on both, when neither team will likely rest anyone, a common occurrence against ATL this year, and the genesis of a pile of their wins.

They're a typical inconsistent team with a lot of firepower when they get hot, but they can also lose to anyone bacuse they've got nothing if their shots aren't falling.

Imo, it's just pointless to even follow their results for the rest of the season. They'll most definitely be in the play-in and then their record becomes irrelevant. If they get eliminated Spurs get 11th or 12th pick because they'll most likely have a worse record than 9th/10th in the West, it's just about if they win one play-in game or not.

What we should be afraid of is them getting hot in the play-in because that would mean 16th-17th pick for us.

[AusSpur]

Looking good today, 20 down at the half to the Clips.

Jalen Johnson missing again and when he is out the Hawks looks pretty terrible.

[DPG21920]

Cleveland is a good example of why you keep a core together and don’t panic. They’ve had bumps. Everyone thought Mitchell was a malcontent that demanded Garland be moved. That core came together and the narrative magically went away.

The Mobley pick was instrumental and Vert has filled gaps.

They may have it or may be one player away.

CLE looks damn good. Well balanced. I love their model of one star and then a bunch of solid 2’s vs the Suns model etc…

[spursistan]

Looking good today, 20 down at the half to the Clips.

Jalen Johnson missing again and when he is out the Hawks looks pretty terrible.
The emergence of Johnson and that Dyson Daniels trade is the difference between us getting a Top 7-9 pick instead of a likely Top 12-15. Under no circumstance they Hawks were going to be a bottom 6 team this season unless they got catastrophically decimated by injuries..It is a top heavy draft, so spurs could package Atlanta's pick and theirs (+other sweetener if necessary) to move up a couple of spots if they really like someone in the 7-12 range..
..

[rascal]

The emergence of Johnson and that Dyson Daniels trade is the difference between us getting a Top 7-9 pick instead of a likely Top 12-15. Under no circumstance they Hawks were going to be a bottom 6 team this season unless they got catastrophically decimated by injuries..It is a top heavy draft, so spurs could package Atlanta's pick and theirs (+other sweetener if necessary) to move up a couple of spots if they really like someone in the 7-12 range..
..

very unlikely

The Spurs are not aggressive at making moves on draft day to move up.

[RC_Drunkford]

very unlikely

The Spurs are not aggressive at making moves on draft day to move up.

they should package those picks and trade for Shaedon Sharpe

[Mr. Body]

This is a year to be aggressive to get the player they want, if they want someone. Casting a wide net just to get talent is beside the point now that we more or less know what we need.

[Strategic]

Come on Jazz you bunch of losers.

[MannyIsGod]

Are you fucking kidding me

[Strategic]

Wow Trae. You turd

[onechance87]

Fuck u atl

[Splits]

:lol that ATL pick gonna be basically worthless

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[spursparker9]

:lol The fucking basketball god

[mo7888]

:lol that ATL pick gonna be basically worthless

1876850493370069421

Puhleeze.... they've won two of their last 5 with their only wins being over Toronto and half court shot to beat the lowly Jazz... they're trending exactly as the should. The pick will be around 11 or 12 by the end of the season...

[exstatic]

Puhleeze.... they've won two of their last 5 with their only wins being over Toronto and half court shot to beat the lowly Jazz... they're trending exactly as the should. The pick will be around 11 or 12 by the end of the season...

Yeah, they’ve been playing way over their heads, and that doesn’t even account for teams resting players when they play them, something that will stop as the halfway mark of the season passes and the games start mattering for making the playoffs or improving your seeding.

[Dejounte]

Yeah, they’ve been playing way over their heads, and that doesn’t even account for teams resting players when they play them, something that will stop as the halfway mark of the season passes and the games start mattering for making the playoffs or improving your seeding.

When they’ve played the teams that rested their players, they have less games to play against them for the second half of the season. It means they have more games to play against the teams that aren’t competing for the playoffs, which are teams who are likely to tank the games against the Hawks.

[onechance87]

When they’ve played the teams that rested their players, they have less games to play against them for the second half of the season. It means they have more games to play against the teams that aren’t competing for the playoffs, which are teams who are likely to tank the games against the Hawks.

yup teams will more likely tank as the season comes to the end, especially in the east.

[exstatic]

yup teams will more likely tank as the season comes to the end, especially in the east.

The tanking teams are already tanking, and surprisingly, ATL hasn’t done that well against them. I’m talking about the Bostons and Cleveland’s that rested guys in December, but won’t do so later,

[BatManu20]

ATL loses to PHX on a b2b and Minny, GS, and Miami all won tonight so the Hawks drop from the 17th to the 13th Pick in the Draft currently.

[BackHome]

Hope is still alive :hungry:

[mystargtr34]

This pick could easily be anywhere between 8 and 20. Every loss count imo.

[cutewizard]

Trae Young to the Spurs hahaha

[exstatic]

This pick could easily be anywhere between 8 and 20. Every loss count imo.

It’s not going to be 20, or near that. They’ve been playing over their heads, wildly, and they can still barely pop out of the lottery for a bit from time to time. More
like between 8-16.

[heyheymymy]

Did they postpone the Hawks game because of snow?

[heyheymymy]

Yes, postponed due to icy conditions.

So Hawks dodge a home game against the Rockets this week. Another convenient fluke for ATL.

[Russ]

Spurs 19-19.

Atl 19-19.

Dead heat on a merry-go-round.

(At least this wasn't one of those vaunted draft pick "swaps.")

[spurraider21]

with brooklyn engaging tank mode, philly is the only team in the east that can push for a play-in spot. funnily enough, this can be good or bad for us. it can potentially bump ATL into the lottery which would be nice for us. it could potentially cost the bulls a play-in spot and prevent that pick from conveying. it could do neither.

but given the bulls pick has 2 more years of potential conveyance, with lower (top 8) protections, thats not as big a deal.

[scott]

with brooklyn engaging tank mode, philly is the only team in the east that can push for a play-in spot. funnily enough, this can be good or bad for us. it can potentially bump ATL into the lottery which would be nice for us. it could potentially cost the bulls a play-in spot and prevent that pick from conveying. it could do neither.

but given the bulls pick has 2 more years of potential conveyance, with lower (top 8) protections, thats not as big a deal.

The Bulls pick causes heartburn, because on one hand, it would actually be best for it to convey in 2026 anyway (smoothing things out so we have two picks at our disposal in each of 25, 26, and 27). On the other hand, with each year that it falls into the protected zone, the more likely it becomes that the pick never conveys, both from a mathematical perspective and from a practical perspective. If the Bulls don't blow it up and tank going into the deadline, but then still manage to finish in the protected zone, then the likelihood they blow it up to tank over the summer increases dramatically.

Quite the goocher, as they say.

[Mal]

Spurs have so much dead weight on the bench, they could easily add 3 first rounders to roster, without even stashing anyone in Europe

[exstatic]

Spurs have so much dead weight on the bench, they could easily add 3 first rounders to roster, without even stashing anyone in Europe

The problem is adding them all at once. You can’t give sufficient dev time to three players simultaneously.

[RC_Drunkford]

The problem is adding them all at once. You can’t give sufficient dev time to three players simultaneously.

you been saying that yet we drafted 3 players in 2022

[spurs1990]

Spurs at 11/12 currently...

Atlanta won the lottery last year as the 10th slot.
Flagg stakes are realer than we may think.

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[mo7888]

you been saying that yet we drafted 3 players in 2022

I'm not sure that's a strong argument for drafting 3 guys

[exstatic]

I'm not sure that's a strong argument for drafting 3 guys

Exactly, and where my argument comes from.

[CorrectCrusader]

Malaki and Wesley are just shit players. I don't think them being drafted all at the same time means anything.

[Teamduncan21]

While it can mean you can take risk and draft 2 players. If one player is bad there's another one (like ssamanic and keldon) there's also risk that when you drafted someone you like. Then you don't want anyone else anymore (castle and 8th pick)

[spurraider21]

Malaki and Wesley are just shit players. I don't think them being drafted all at the same time means anything.
its not like malaki hasnt been given ample opportunity to showcase his development. he just sucks. he's still very young, just 21, so its not we can conclusively say he has no future. he's just given little to no reason to expect he'll get much better.

still cant believe we picked up his option for next year

[AusSpur]

Johnson and Hunter OUT today for ATL.

Less go Suns!

[onechance87]

hope atl loses and bulls and bucks to win.

[BatManu20]

Johnson and Hunter OUT today for ATL.

Less go Suns!

Suns down 8 at halftime regardless lol. They're trash.

[onechance87]

dont fk up this easy win suns

[BatManu20]

Hawks win. Suns are poverty. They really need to blow it up tbh.

[onechance87]

Looks like trae young beat the suns by himself.

[100%duncan]

Suns losing is still a win for us. I honestly prioritize a play-in spot over a mid-ass 1st rounder. I'd rather get Wemby and co 4-1'd or swept in the first round than get another Vassell/Sochan/Malaki Branham.

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhTWjudXcAA04Xf?format=jpg&name=small

[onechance87]

now bulls getting there ass beat lol

[onechance87]

Suns losing is still a win for us. I honestly prioritize a play-in spot over a mid-ass 1st rounder. I'd rather get Wemby and co 4-1'd or swept in the first round than get another Vassell/Sochan/Malaki Branham.

nah....we are just making houston a better team for the future if suns keep sucking..Rather kings suck
so they dont give there pick to atl to help improve them while we own there picks for the next few years.

[BatManu20]

hope atl loses and bulls and bucks to win.

Bulls getting their shit pushed in at home by the fucking Pelicans. They're also poverty anytime they play anyone not named the Spurs.

[BatManu20]

Zach LaVine plays absolutely no defense.

[100%duncan]

nah....we are just making houston a better team for the future if suns keep sucking..Rather kings suck
so they dont give there pick to atl to help improve them while we own there picks for the next few years.

Who is making who? Suns are bound to lose because they have a trash roster outside of KD and Booker. I'm not gonna worry about who is getting another high pick , except for OKC, because we already have Wemby and a ton of our own draft picks. 27 other teams will trade their #1 guy for Victor.

A lot of people here are too focused on the draft, when in fact, some of these picks should be leveraged to get Wemby some actual help for the near future.

[100%duncan]

Bulls getting their shit pushed in at home by the fucking Pelicans. They're also poverty anytime they play anyone not named the Spurs.

Imagine if we missed out on the play-ins because of going 0-2 against Chicago. FML.

[BackHome]

To get a very very good player we are either going to have to get lucky in draft or it will take 4 to 5 unrestricted draft picks to trade for that player.

[mo7888]

The 9th seed in the east is about to enter a stretch where there are likely to lose 3 of the next 4 and 7 of their next 10 before playing us and we're in panic mode here.

Never change spurstalk...never change...

[spurraider21]

Trae Young isn’t a floor raiser, guys

[quentin_compson]

Trae Young isn’t a floor raiser, guys

:lol
Yeah, the Hawks probably could win 15 games in a row, and some people here would still be saying that Trae Young sucks and that they are just getting lucky.
Man, the Suns really look terrible, though. If Ishbia had any sense he would tell his GM to try and trade KD now (Beal too, if possible) and retool around Booker.

[Mal]

The problem is adding them all at once. You can’t give sufficient dev time to three players simultaneously.

You can stash Saraf or one of the french guys in Europe.

[objective]

:lol
Yeah, the Hawks probably could win 15 games in a row, and some people here would still be saying that Trae Young sucks and that they are just getting lucky.
Man, the Suns really look terrible, though. If Ishbia had any sense he would tell his GM to try and trade KD now (Beal too, if possible) and retool around Booker.

"Half of a season of games is a tiny sample size! They're one of the worst teams of all time, they have to be! As soon as they're missing their top 5 players you'll see the real Hawks team!"

[exstatic]

You can stash Saraf or one of the french guys in Europe.

They have to sign something and agree to it.

[BatManu20]

:lol
Yeah, the Hawks probably could win 15 games in a row, and some people here would still be saying that Trae Young sucks and that they are just getting lucky.
Man, the Suns really look terrible, though. If Ishbia had any sense he would tell his GM to try and trade KD now (Beal too, if possible) and retool around Booker.

They're not going to trade Booker yet, but they prob should tbh. He turns 29 this year and that team is nowhere near contending for anything. Their entire roster needs to be overhauled. I don't see how PHX could build a contender around him within the next couple years before he starts to decline. They'd prob be better off trading everyone for as much young talent and draft capital as possible considering they sold off all their assets for the foreseeable future to acquire KD and Beal tbh.

Trading KD to the Rockets for multiple FRP's, including their own FRP's back + BKN's FRP that they own + salary filler like FVV sounds like a good starting point if I were in their shoes. Would much rather KD be a Spur though obviously.

[couchman]

All we need to build a contender is to trade for KD and sign CP3 for another year.
Probably not a title worthy team but they’d be in the conversation.
Easier said than done I know. Rockets likely have the inside lane for KD.

[exstatic]

They're not going to trade Booker yet, but they prob should tbh. He turns 29 this year and that team is nowhere near contending for anything. Their entire roster needs to be overhauled. I don't see how PHX could build a contender around him within the next couple years before he starts to decline. They'd prob be better off trading everyone for as much young talent and draft capital as possible considering they sold off all their assets for the foreseeable future to acquire KD and Beal tbh.

Trading KD to the Rockets for multiple FRP's, including their own FRP's back + BKN's FRP that they own + salary filler like FVV sounds like a good starting point if I were in their shoes. Would much rather KD be a Spur though obviously.

They can’t overhaul their roster without re-obtaining those picks from Houston, and a 37 YO Kevin Durant isn’t getting that done. There is no way to retool or rebuild around Booker, because he’s the only way they’re getting their picks back. If you wait long enough, Houston will either use or offload those picks, and then you’re well and truly fucked when Book demands a trade.

[Mr. Body]

Booker never won anything before Chris Paul. He's never won anything after Chris Paul. He's empty stats and not a build-around guy. I'd get picks and pieces from Houston and see if you can salvage the next few years somehow.

[mo7888]

Booker never won anything before Chris Paul. He's never won anything after Chris Paul. He's empty stats and not a build-around guy. I'd get picks and pieces from Houston and see if you can salvage the next few years somehow.

That's the best course of action. Then trade KD for market value (I'm guessing 2 frp's at his age) and wait for Beal to request a trade or wait until he expires if no one wants him.

[scott]

If they can get their own picks back from HOU for Booker, and then get 2 FRPs for KD... Beal would actually be the perfect tank commander. He's got plenty of experience in that role. Like a high end Keldon Johnson.

[Seventyniner]

If they can get their own picks back from HOU for Booker, and then get 2 FRPs for KD... Beal would actually be the perfect tank commander. He's got plenty of experience in that role. Like a high end Keldon Johnson.

Beal certainly has the resume of a tank commander. Trading Booker and Durant to bottom out for the next two years while Beal's contract finally runs out would be hilarious. The Suns could bring in Kuzma and get Marcin Gortat to unretire so they can be the Wicked Wizards of the West.

[spursparker9]

Another comfortable win for Hawks today

[Knoxxx]

Hawks 13 pick from SAC now higher than the 14 pick they owe us. Plus they have LAL pick at 19. Obviously they could car less about the picks they owe us. We couldn’t even swap them this year.

[mystargtr34]

The way Jalen Green is blossoming at 22 yo I wouldn’t even trade him for Booker straight up let alone attach picks.

If I’m the Rockets I’m going after Durant and give the Suns their two picks back and maybe Jabari or Reed.

Rockets with KD and the current squad would be filthy.

[rascal]

Another comfortable win for Hawks today

Spurs need to lose enough to get into the lottery with a decent chance at getting a top 4 pick.

It's the best outcome for this season to add one more top draft pick. Team still needs to add high end talent.

[onechance87]

The 9th seed in the east is about to enter a stretch where there are likely to lose 3 of the next 4 and 7 of their next 10 before playing us and we're in panic mode here.

Never change spurstalk...never change...

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[Knoxxx]

We are almost halfway and as mentioned are best pick is likely to be our own and all we control. On the plus side, shaking up to be the perfect scenario to give Castle a HARD look at PG down the stretch especially if we linger at sub .500 much longer and just as soon pad our loss total while he works through his growing pains.

[objective]

Won without Trae and without Jalen Johnson and Hunter AND Risacher AND Nance and win by 16

... Yeah, they're probably not a lottery team

[Mr. Body]

Coach is too good.

[RC_Drunkford]

meanwhile we couldn't beat Chicago at full strength

[spurraider21]

Coach is too good.
also that trae young guy is playing well

[Knoxxx]

meanwhile we couldn't beat Chicago at full strength

We’ve been a weird team vacillating between quality wins and ugly losses to bad teams. Seems like the obvious play is to tank at the end and get some degree below .500 for those lotto balls. Seems like the ATL pick could give us a decent chance for an upgrade on Bassey. A young PF-C with better size who can rebound and rim protect. The wish list on that upgrade is unlikely to include a floor spreading 3 ball shooting big at the 15-20 pick range. I think we need enough roster spot upgrades to consider keeping the pick this time around.

Though, the potential for a stash pick in round 2 does sound interesting. Like the skinny Markovic kid listed at 6-11 with 39.5% 3 PT shooting.

[Strategic]

Nice start for the Celtics. Let’s get the hawks back to their losing ways tonight.

[onechance87]

oh no

[Mr. Body]

Mind-boggling how stupid teams play against the Hawks.

Also, these Celtics are the ugliest good team I've ever seen. Ugly, awful basketball.

[Strategic]

Quinn working the right personnel back and forth on the court. What a concept. Of course it helps if you have the right personnel.

[spursparker9]

:lol Boston choking

I can see Hawks reaching ECF this year.

Trae is clutch and fearless. His gravity is as great as steph. Should have traded for him

[onechance87]

:bang

[slick'81]

Cant wait for that 20th pick :lol

[objective]

27 pick will be worse for SA with the improvement of guys like Risacher, Johnson and Daniels

Trade these crap picks before it's too late

[AusSpur]

Quinn working the right personnel back and forth on the court. What a concept. Of course it helps if you have the right personnel.

I prefer Mitch Johnson's approach of standing there with his arms crossed and doing nothing while the opponent goes on a 16-0 run. It's classy.

[onechance87]

Where are the morons that said brian wright was a great gm.Looks like his moves and gambles aint gonna
do us much for our future.

[rascal]

Spurs may end up with the 17th or 18th pick from the Atlanta pick so not likely to get a player much better than what is already on the roster.
Spurs likely will trade this pick away like they did with the Toronto pick.

Now it's up to the Spurs to lose enough and get some luck in the lottery to get a player who can become the 2nd star in a couple of years or get out of their comfort zone and do what they don't like to do , trade for an established number 2.

[100%duncan]

People still not wanting to trade the picks :lol

[Atl Spur]

Where are the morons that said brian wright was a great gm.Looks like his moves and gambles aint gonna
do us much for our future.

lol…. This won’t age well.

[GAustex]

lol…. This won’t age well.
Miss Cleo!
Flapping her gums
Ain’t saying nothing

[scott]

:lol @ the "muh atlanta picks" crew who've spent every moment since we traded DJM talking about how those picks were untouchable bricks of gold

:lol @ the "trae sucks no way we should trade for that inefficient, no defense chucking loser" while defending inefficient, no defense chucking career loser Devin Vasselline

:lol @ the "atlanta is really screwed, they have no where to go but down, trae will probably opt out and leave" mafia

These are all the same braindead morons who talk about how we need to be patient, because we have "very good developing players" in Vassell and Sochan. Truly clueless morons who don't watch any basketball outside of the Spurs and seem confused as to why Atlanta is a better team than us.

[Splits]

also :lol @ the "they're playing above their heads on an easy schedule" crew (not naming names exstatic)

[Splits]

They were ‘playing over their heads’ wins, and I can’t wait for next time around on both, when neither team will likely rest anyone, a common occurrence against ATL this year, and the genesis of a pile of their wins.

:lol

[RC_Drunkford]

these picks look worse by the day. We need a real PG ASAP. Spurs already whiffed on Ice Trae and Garland. Let's hope they find a way to get Fox at least.

[baseline bum]

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[z0sa]

:lol Boston choking

I can see Hawks reaching ECF this year.

Trae is clutch and fearless. His gravity is as great as steph. Should have traded for him

Yeah, talking about an amazing fuckin' talent. I said we should have traded for him when his stock was at his lowest, and of course, this place was and is full of haters. I would have thrown the Hawks picks and every player not named Wemby or Vassell on a one way plane ride to Northwest Georgia in an instant. Eh, what do I know

[Atl Spur]

I’m sure everyone here knew Philly would be a shit show right? From year to year you never know what can affect a teams season:) Hence why ALL teams covet unprotected picks morons ( you know who you are ) The level of idiocy on this board is unbelievable !

[RC_Drunkford]

I’m sure everyone here knew Philly would be a shit show right? From year to year you never know what can affect a teams season:) Hence why ALL teams covet unprotected picks morons ( you know who you are ) The level of idiocy on this board is unbelievable !

you know it all Ms. Cleo. How is your guy big dick Primo doing?

[ambchang]

I still hold out hope the hawks pick will have at least one that ends up in the top 10 and that the swaps would actually convey.

As for Trae young, he is 97th percentile in craftedOPM, but he’s also 2nd percentile in craftedDPM. Overall he’s 77th but his defense is just so horribly bad. The hawks seemed to have out a defensive system around him. I don’t trust our FO to do that.

[Atl Spur]

you know it all Ms. Cleo. How is your guy big dick Primo doing?

Hey cutie! I know in my heart of hearts you a woman… DM me your #; in Atlanta they take everything off FYI!

[RC_Drunkford]

Hey cutie! I know in my heart of hearts you a woman… DM me your #; in Atlanta they take everything off FYI!

you're the one being called miss around here :lol stop trying to project your insecurities on others, just accept it and transform like Optimus Prime :lol

[Strategic]

Today Trae chumpin’ the knickerbockers. The beat goes on

[Mitch Cumsteen]

I think it's fairly safe to say that the Hawks play both up and down to their competition. Super frustrating.

It is what it is but there's plenty of season left for them to suffer an injury or just generally fall apart. These are the Hawks we're talking about, one of the most historically mid franchises in the league.

[objective]

They were a playoff team for 3 straight seasons until last season where the only injury that mattered was Jalen Johnson, and they had extreme luck in getting the #1 pick. They were 14-14 without Trae Young last year, really the only guy that mattered was Johnson

Things really broke well for them. Guarantee Brian Wright never foresaw Johnson being such a key part of their team, after all, he's no Josh Primo. Then Dejounte extended making him tradeable and instead of losing him in free agency for nothing, they moved him for picks, key starter and defender Daniels, and Nance. Add in getting the #1 in Risacher instead of having to settle for someone like Cody Williams

AND even though they don't have their own 25 or 27 pick, they still have the 25 Lakers pick, the 25 top 12 protected Kings pick that becomes a 26 top-10, and the 27 worse pick of New Orleans or Milwaukee protected 1-4. Those picks can be selected of course or moved in trades
.

[Kevin]

DJM trade was bad for the Hawks but they’re still sitting fine. Trae is in prime years while Johnson/Daniel’s and Zach can still grow and develop. Hunter having a breakthrough season last year helps a ton too. Trea, Hunter and Johnson would all be the second best player on the Spurs roster by a mile. Daniel’s and Sochan are about the same. Hawks roster is better built top to bottom.

[Atl Spur]

you're the one being called miss around here :lol stop trying to project your insecurities on others, just accept it and transform like Optimus Prime :lol

Sure thing goofy….

[Kevin]

Hawks are 20th in remaining strength of schedule. They were 9th about a month ago.

[Russ]

Since the Hawks aren't tanking, looks like the Spurs are making sure the torch won't hit the ground.

[Kevin]

Wouldn't mind LaVine who's averaging 24/5/4 with 51/45/81 shooting splits. He shouldn't cost a ton because of injury history and remaining contract. Very intriguing buy low candidate. I'd love him and Vuch in a packaged deal with the Bulls regaining full control of their pick.

[scott]

On the Vecenie podcast, Sam suggested that Lavine's value would simply be a contract that ends sooner (to help CHI save long term money as they rebuild) and a minor asset. They suggested Middleton something minor.

We could theoretically do Collins and Barnes, but that creates other holes for us and I don't think we'd do HB like that.

[VBM]

I don't think we'd do HB like that.

We gotta stop being the nice guy when it comes to stuff like this. It doesn't make us any more attractive to FAs. NBA is a business. Treat it as such.

[scott]

We gotta stop being the nice guy when it comes to stuff like this. It doesn't make us any more attractive to FAs. NBA is a business. Treat it as such.

I don't disagree, but I don't get a vote. Until the FO changes, I think this is the reality we are stuck with.

[Kevin]

On the Vecenie podcast, Sam suggested that Lavine's value would simply be a contract that ends sooner (to help CHI save long term money as they rebuild) and a minor asset. They suggested Middleton something minor.

We could theoretically do Collins and Barnes, but that creates other holes for us and I don't think we'd do HB like that.

Well if he's correct then KJ/Barnes/Zollins plus the Bulls pick and maybe a second rounder or two would probably net LaVine and Vuch. Probably wont happen but that would really improve the roster with minimal pick loss. It would screw up roster construction for this season but this team isn't going anywhere as currently constructed.

[z0sa]

Wouldn't mind LaVine who's averaging 24/5/4 with 51/45/81 shooting splits. He shouldn't cost a ton because of injury history and remaining contract. Very intriguing buy low candidate. I'd love him and Vuch in a packaged deal with the Bulls regaining full control of their pick.

Lavine feels like the player Vassell should be, in my limited knowledge of him. He seems a lot more aggressive and consistent. If we're trading Vassell he's one of the only guys I'd be okay doing it for.

[Kevin]

Lavine feels like the player Vassell should be, in my limited knowledge of him. He seems a lot more aggressive and consistent. If we're trading Vassell he's one of the only guys I'd be okay doing it for.

LaVine is a rich man's Dev and is actually capable of being a third option scorer on a legit championship contender.

[Seventyniner]

On the Vecenie podcast, Sam suggested that Lavine's value would simply be a contract that ends sooner (to help CHI save long term money as they rebuild) and a minor asset. They suggested Middleton something minor.

We could theoretically do Collins and Barnes, but that creates other holes for us and I don't think we'd do HB like that.

Barnes waived his trade kicker to come here, but can the Spurs and Barnes agree to reinstate it before a trade?

[scott]

Barnes waived his trade kicker to come here, but can the Spurs and Barnes agree to reinstate it before a trade?

That's a great question. I suspect (though I'm not sure) that a trade kicker is a lot like a No Trade Clause where it gets waived on a per occurrence basis, not permanently. So Barnes would have waived it for the SAC-SAS trade, but it is not back in place for any subsequent trades. I'm not sure about that though, if I find time later I'll see if I can look it up.

[mo7888]

On the Vecenie podcast, Sam suggested that Lavine's value would simply be a contract that ends sooner (to help CHI save long term money as they rebuild) and a minor asset. They suggested Middleton something minor.

We could theoretically do Collins and Barnes, but that creates other holes for us and I don't think we'd do HB like that.

Collins + KJ + Malaki + Wesley works in the trade machine and saves $20+M in the final year and they can probably flip KJ before year 3 to save more. I'm not a huge Zach Lavine fan, but I'd pay that price as a roll of the dice.

[scott]

At this point I'm pretty convinced we're not going to do anything (or be sellers if anything). It's not my favorite path, but I am getting the feeling the Spurs will choose to build organically through the draft. Hoping our scouting department is on the top of their game.

[100%duncan]

At this point I'm pretty convinced we're not going to do anything (or be sellers if anything). It's not my favorite path, but I am getting the feeling the Spurs will choose to build organically through the draft. Hoping our scouting department is on the top of their game.

That's pretty depressing tbh

[scott]

That's pretty depressing tbh

Well, I'll also provide the caveat that I don't know shit about fuck... it's just my gut feeling. Hopefully I'll be wrong and pleasantly surprised.

[Dejounte]

That is the reality and y’all know it lol

[Strategic]

Hawks with 2nd loss in a row. Keep up the good work boys

[The Truth #6]

Spurs FO going slow, preaching patience, in the process securing the safety of their livelihood for several years while collecting checks to pay for their vacation homes, so to speak. Yeah, they aren't doing anything unless Wemby politely puts pressure on them, in my uninformed opinion. Which gets to the draft. I've seen a couple of approaches mentioned: go for high upside to get the second star or focus on safe playable though one dimensional role players.

I'd be ok with high upside if I hadn't had to witness the Primo debacle of reaching for a high character star in the making who actually sucked and was a sexual predator/fraud.

In Wright's defense, he seems to have pivoted towards high IQ gritty defensive players who need polishing, aka a serviceable jumpshot. Castle and Sochan are somehow both core players now but also could vanish to the second unit if they can't shoot.

So...if we are drafting in the teens again, trying to find a shooter makes sense to some degree. But maybe the Spurs are just horrible at teaching shooting? Still not sure how Branham came in with a great shooting signal and has basically just shit the bed? He must have inherited Lonnie Walker's old locker. Hard to say.

In other words, I'm at a loss for what Wright should prioritize in the draft because I'm not totally convinced he can see the trees from the grand forest, nor that our staff is up to the task. Getting more boring Harrison Barnes types who can shoot and not wreck the offense might be the simplest most effective way going forward through free agency and opportunistic trades, because that seems to be his approach: trying to squeeze in on the margins and grab some crumbs.

I didn't realize I was this pessimistic until I finished typing. But hey, I'm happy to be proven wrong.

[scott]

Spurs FO going slow, preaching patience, in the process securing the safety of their livelihood for several years while collecting checks to pay for their vacation homes, so to speak. Yeah, they aren't doing anything unless Wemby politely puts pressure on them, in my uninformed opinion. Which gets to the draft. I've seen a couple of approaches mentioned: go for high upside to get the second star or focus on safe playable though one dimensional role players.

I'd be ok with high upside if I hadn't had to witness the Primo debacle of reaching for a high character star in the making who actually sucked and was a sexual predator/fraud.

In Wright's defense, he seems to have pivoted towards high IQ gritty defensive players who need polishing, aka a serviceable jumpshot. Castle and Sochan are somehow both core players now but also could vanish to the second unit if they can't shoot.

So...if we are drafting in the teens again, trying to find a shooter makes sense to some degree. But maybe the Spurs are just horrible at teaching shooting? Still not sure how Branham came in with a great shooting signal and has basically just shit the bed? He must have inherited Lonnie Walker's old locker. Hard to say.

In other words, I'm at a loss for what Wright should prioritize in the draft because I'm not totally convinced he can see the trees from the grand forest, nor that our staff is up to the task. Getting more boring Harrison Barnes types who can shoot and not wreck the offense might be the simplest most effective way going forward through free agency and opportunistic trades, because that seems to be his approach: trying to squeeze in on the margins and grab some crumbs.

I didn't realize I was this pessimistic until I finished typing. But hey, I'm happy to be proven wrong.

Fantastic post sir. Perfectly sums it up. This is just what it's like being a Spurs fan right, which is absolutely wild considering we lucked into Wemby.

[Extra Stout]

It feels like the Spurs are now stuck as a treadmill team, with no clear path to becoming more than a .500-ish team, and that Wemby is just marking time, learning the NBA game, until he’s ready to make his move out of town.

[Mr. Body]

It feels like the Spurs are now stuck as a treadmill team, with no clear path to becoming more than a .500-ish team, and that Wemby is just marking time, learning the NBA game, until he’s ready to make his move out of town.

It's kind of funny, because most people here would have said there was no way this was a .500 team at the beginning of the season.

[spurraider21]

Spurs FO going slow, preaching patience, in the process securing the safety of their livelihood for several years while collecting checks to pay for their vacation homes, so to speak. Yeah, they aren't doing anything unless Wemby politely puts pressure on them, in my uninformed opinion. Which gets to the draft. I've seen a couple of approaches mentioned: go for high upside to get the second star or focus on safe playable though one dimensional role players.

I'd be ok with high upside if I hadn't had to witness the Primo debacle of reaching for a high character star in the making who actually sucked and was a sexual predator/fraud.

In Wright's defense, he seems to have pivoted towards high IQ gritty defensive players who need polishing, aka a serviceable jumpshot. Castle and Sochan are somehow both core players now but also could vanish to the second unit if they can't shoot.

So...if we are drafting in the teens again, trying to find a shooter makes sense to some degree. But maybe the Spurs are just horrible at teaching shooting? Still not sure how Branham came in with a great shooting signal and has basically just shit the bed? He must have inherited Lonnie Walker's old locker. Hard to say.

In other words, I'm at a loss for what Wright should prioritize in the draft because I'm not totally convinced he can see the trees from the grand forest, nor that our staff is up to the task. Getting more boring Harrison Barnes types who can shoot and not wreck the offense might be the simplest most effective way going forward through free agency and opportunistic trades, because that seems to be his approach: trying to squeeze in on the margins and grab some crumbs.

I didn't realize I was this pessimistic until I finished typing. But hey, I'm happy to be proven wrong.
only part of this i have a gripe with is the notion that Primo was a high upside player

[cd98]

The Spurs look better on the court than last year because Chris Paul is that good. He's also 39 years old. We won't look that good if he is injured, traded, or retires after this season. I'm fine with the Spurs not making the play in. It ups their chances of getting difference makers they need in a loaded draft. Yes, we've had lottery picks in the past, but other than Wemby, most of the picks have been at the back end of the lottery or in years where the lottery did not yield any standout players. I don't hate Vassel and Sochan like a lot of people do here and I'm not giving up on them being good players on a playoff team, but getting a lottery pick in this draft could really help in the long run.

And Wemby doesn't seem like a quitter or someone that would jump ship in 4 years of a total rebuild.

[The Truth #6]

only part of this i have a gripe with is the notion that Primo was a high upside player

I meant that's how he was sold to the fans, not that I actually thought he was going to be that.

[LeBowen]

It's kind of funny, because most people here would have said there was no way this was a .500 team at the beginning of the season.

Can't just look at the record, things are developing in a different way than expected.

Most wins are on the back of Wemby's ridiculous carry jobs and MVP level play.
Spurs have looked horrible ever since his level of play dropped.

CP3 has been better than expected, but him being the second best player on the team is worrying.

Champagnie is the only young player other than obviously Wemby who has exceeded expectations.
Castle is showing a lot of promise, but we expected it. His shot is as bad as advertised, everything else looks solid.

Devin has been showing signs of life as of late, but is still a big injury concern and every single advanced stat points to him being one of those tank commander, empty stats scorers.
Keldon is beyond hope, simply has to be traded before the next season starts.
Tre is a good guy, but not a serious NBA point guard due to his combination of physical disadvantages and lack of range.
We knew Collins would be horrible, but he's managed to be even worse than that.
Jeremy had a solid start, but reverted back into last season form and has caught another injury.
Bassey is a solid third stringer and Barnes is a solid vet.

TL;DR
Wemby is exceeding expectations and it would be a huge disservice to him if we don't have a roster capable of aiming for 50 wins next season.
Issue being that we don't have a single other reliable piece on the roster. And you can't deny it.
Who except for two veterans and Champagnie (in like 8th man role) would be a consistent contributor for playoff teams?

Whoever watches other teams on regular basis knows how far behind we are and lack of movement is beyond concerning.
I fully expect you to go on a rant about us being ungrateful, impatient, spoiled manchildren and how everything is going according to plan, but you simply won't change our opinion on the ongoing catastrophe we call PATFO.

[spurraider21]

tbh i thought wesley was also something of a bright spot (not that he's ready to be a full time rotation player, but that he is showing signs of life and development), but he's basically been banished

[LeBowen]

tbh i thought wesley was also something of a bright spot (not that he's ready to be a full time rotation player, but that he is showing signs of life and development), but he's basically been banished

Agreed, he's shown signs of improvement, but it's honestly irrelevant in the bigger picture.
Best case scenario is he becomes a servicable backup and he's got a long way to go.

We need something serious, as in some of the young guys to show they're capable of being long-term starters, right now we're just grasping for straws.
It's Devin's 5th year, he got paid, I expect him to score 30 here and there considering all the scrubs that have been dropping ridiculous numbers this season.

[scott]

After the next 7 games before the trade deadline, we very well be sitting somewhere between 6 and 10 games under .500

If that's comes to fruition, I think we should consider trading CP3 and probably Barnes as well. Champ could even be a sneak trade asset for second apron playoff teams needing one more rotation piece. For all the talk of how far ahead of schedule we are... we're only 5 wins ahead of the 6th worst record, something that might be achievable with some strategic tanking.

I'm as anti-tank as they come... but we're getting very close to that fork in the road.

[LeBowen]

Champ could even be a sneak trade asset

Just no.
He's got two more years left on his bargain contract, if we actually trade him Wright is a retard.

We can trade two veterans if they want to compete, but it's kind of pointless from our side.
We're not getting a FRP for them and we have more than enough seconds.

Noone is giving us a useful young player in exchange for a 40 year old.

[scott]

Just no.
He's got two more years left on his bargain contract, if we actually trade him Wright is a retard.

We can trade two veterans if they want to compete, but it's kind of pointless from our side.
We're not getting a FRP for them and we have more than enough seconds.

Noone is giving us a useful young player in exchange for a 40 year old.

I would normally say that SRPs can be useful, even if we have a lot of them, but Brian Wright doesn't know how to use them so its not like it matters.

I agree on Champ... but I could see teams calling, and you know Brian Wright loves to sell.

[The Truth #6]

In defense of Blake, though he still makes dumb mistakes, he also can be part of defensive series involving turnovers where we would go on big runs. Tre Jones is better than him now but if Blake is going to be on the team next year, they need to determine if he is good enough to replace Tre Jones. Especially with Castle and CP3, my thought is yes. Instead, we're getting the worst of both worlds, keeping Blake as a player, but not utilizing this opportunity, at least in my uninformed opinion.

[scott]

Yeah, if we lose these next 7 games before the trade deadline, then I think one of CP3 or Tre should be moved and Blake should get heavy backup PG minutes the rest of the year. Picking up Blake and Bran's options just to sit them on the end of the bench is puzzling

[Knoxxx]

Did I click on the wrong thread here? What I’d like is a Kelel Ware type with the ATL pick. Backup center problem solved. Also need a future PG or combo PG/SG to upgrade on Jones and of course in the NBA you always need 6’8” wings that shoot the 3 ball. That’s my Xmas in June scenario at least, draft wise.

[Mugen]

Jalen Johnson just hurt his shoulder tbh.

[Mugen]

What a weird team. Owns Boston/Cleveland but just lost to the Raptors at home :lol

[mystargtr34]

Lol Hawks.

L to the Craptors at home.

[BatManu20]

How the fuck did they lose to the tanking Raptors tbh. I’ll take it though.

[Strategic]

Losing 3 in a row. Take it!

[DAF86]

We need a Hawks implosion, just imagine Cooper next to Wemby. :cry

[onechance87]

fck u atl

[SpursBills]

At this point Maluach has to be the Hawks' first, second, and third choice with that Laker's pick right? Capela's too old, Okongwu is decent but too small to be a full time center. Add a 7'2" big shooting 86% at the rim and 77% from the line anchoring a top 5 defense as a as Trae's new roll man and it can potentially do more for them than Lively did for the Mavs both in the short and long term. Daniels/Johnson/Risacher/Maluach is a fuckton of size around Trae and probably his ideal defensive lineup. Hoping he goes earlier than wherever that pick ends up because of all the mid-lottery guys he seems like a glove-in-hand fit and might seriously further jeopardize our future Hawks picks.

[100%duncan]

Fuck this team losing 3 in a row while having 2 wins against Celtics and Cavs each. This is why no one should be trusting these draft picks.

[Mr. Body]

At this point Maluach has to be the Hawks' first, second, and third choice with that Laker's pick right? Capela's too old, Okongwu is decent but too small to be a full time center. Add a 7'2" big shooting 86% at the rim and 77% from the line anchoring a top 5 defense as a as Trae's new roll man and it can potentially do more for them than Lively did for the Mavs both in the short and long term. Daniels/Johnson/Risacher/Maluach is a fuckton of size around Trae and probably his ideal defensive lineup. Hoping he goes earlier than wherever that pick ends up because of all the mid-lottery guys he seems like a glove-in-hand fit and might seriously further jeopardize our future Hawks picks.

Maluach is lucky that there isn't another lottery grade center at this point. I think he'll go top 10.

[mudyez]

Need the heat to jump them in the standings.

[rankingtear]

How valuable is the ATL pick with a second JJ shoulder injury? Doubt BKN turn down a potential top 10 pick for Cam J.

[Mal]

How valuable is the ATL pick with a second JJ shoulder injury? Doubt BKN turn down a potential top 10 pick for Cam J.

You dont send top10 pick for Cam Johnson

[CGD]

Need the heat to jump them in the standings.

That and Philly needs to make the play-in. Still think ATL can make it to 7, but then fails to make it to playoffs (which in turn makes their pick a second lotto ticket).

[rankingtear]

You dont send top10 pick for Cam Johnson

It is not a top 10 pick yet were halfway through the season. Victor would ask for a trade if we don't win 5 straight. Does a top 10 pick matter with no Victor?

[poopbox]

Yeah, if we lose these next 7 games before the trade deadline, then I think one of CP3 or Tre should be moved and Blake should get heavy backup PG minutes the rest of the year. Picking up Blake and Bran's options just to sit them on the end of the bench is puzzling

Always assumed their options were picked up for no other reason to have their salary for trade. Sitting them at the end of the bench is one of the main reasons we win around half our games this year. Both are bottom 20 players in the league.

[CGD]

Yeah, if we lose these next 7 games before the trade deadline, then I think one of CP3 or Tre should be moved and Blake should get heavy backup PG minutes the rest of the year. Picking up Blake and Bran's options just to sit them on the end of the bench is puzzling

I think it’s the LaRavia issue. Had one of those two over performed somehow, they are hamstrung in there ability to move them for value and/or extend them later.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Can't just look at the record, things are developing in a different way than expected.

Most wins are on the back of Wemby's ridiculous carry jobs and MVP level play.
Spurs have looked horrible ever since his level of play dropped.

CP3 has been better than expected, but him being the second best player on the team is worrying.

Champagnie is the only young player other than obviously Wemby who has exceeded expectations.
Castle is showing a lot of promise, but we expected it. His shot is as bad as advertised, everything else looks solid.

Devin has been showing signs of life as of late, but is still a big injury concern and every single advanced stat points to him being one of those tank commander, empty stats scorers.
Keldon is beyond hope, simply has to be traded before the next season starts.
Tre is a good guy, but not a serious NBA point guard due to his combination of physical disadvantages and lack of range.
We knew Collins would be horrible, but he's managed to be even worse than that.
Jeremy had a solid start, but reverted back into last season form and has caught another injury.
Bassey is a solid third stringer and Barnes is a solid vet.

TL;DR
Wemby is exceeding expectations and it would be a huge disservice to him if we don't have a roster capable of aiming for 50 wins next season.
Issue being that we don't have a single other reliable piece on the roster. And you can't deny it.
Who except for two veterans and Champagnie (in like 8th man role) would be a consistent contributor for playoff teams?

Whoever watches other teams on regular basis knows how far behind we are and lack of movement is beyond concerning.
I fully expect you to go on a rant about us being ungrateful, impatient, spoiled manchildren and how everything is going according to plan, but you simply won't change our opinion on the ongoing catastrophe we call PATFO.

Manu says we should be aiming for title contention in 3 years but we have a LOT of work to do

[mo7888]

That and Philly needs to make the play-in. Still think ATL can make it to 7, but then fails to make it to playoffs (which in turn makes their pick a second lotto ticket).

I think they finish 9th and lose one of the play-in games.

[scott]

I think it’s the LaRavia issue. Had one of those two over performed somehow, they are hamstrung in there ability to move them for value and/or extend them later.

Great call out, didn't even think of that.

[montgod]

Always assumed their options were picked up for no other reason to have their salary for trade. Sitting them at the end of the bench is one of the main reasons we win around half our games this year. Both are bottom 20 players in the league.

Yeah I agree. I think Spurs picked up option to give them another chance and cause they were cheap. It's evident and clearer now who won't be in the plans in the future so Spurs should be looking at trade options heavily to clear out the roster and add talent for now or later, or help another team out for short term cap space in exchange for draft capital. If you can get anything in exchange for HB, Blake, Bran, Keldon (for the right deal though) and/or Collins, Spurs gotta pull the trigger. CP could be in this discussion as well, but feel Spurs would have the convo with him first to see what he'd want to do - you know the old Spurs way.

[Sugus]

At this point I'm pretty convinced we're not going to do anything (or be sellers if anything). It's not my favorite path, but I am getting the feeling the Spurs will choose to build organically through the draft. Hoping our scouting department is on the top of their game.

Wow, really? I have the exact opposite gut feeling, lol.


I think a bigger-than-we-think trade is coming much sooner than later. I don't believe that the people at the FO are nearly as "dumb" or slow as people around here make them out to be, and it's beyond obvious that they've got solid gold in their hands with Wemby.

Especially after a win like yesterday - it's clear to see that the team is a major piece away from reaching a whole 'nother ceiling.

The fact that people like Manu, Tony, Timmy etc stay extremely close to the franchise and Pop - who is out here calling CP3 after every game - is extremely reassuring to me. What do you think they're all talking about, after last game, between each other and to the Spurs' staff?


I'm tempted to start a prediction post tbh...

[scott]

Wow, really? I have the exact opposite gut feeling, lol.


I think a bigger-than-we-think trade is coming much sooner than later. I don't believe that the people at the FO are nearly as "dumb" or slow as people around here make them out to be, and it's beyond obvious that they've got solid gold in their hands with Wemby.

Especially after a win like yesterday - it's clear to see that the team is a major piece away from reaching a whole 'nother ceiling.

The fact that people like Manu, Tony, Timmy etc stay extremely close to the franchise and Pop - who is out here calling CP3 after every game - is extremely reassuring to me. What do you think they're all talking about, after last game, between each other and to the Spurs' staff?


I'm tempted to start a prediction post tbh...

By "sooner than later" do you mean by the trade deadline? Because that was the context of my post that you quoted (and to be clear, I'm not trying to beef with you over semantics or who-said-what, I'm just looking for clarification on what you are thinking).

I just don't know what "bigger-than-we-think" options are really out there between now and the deadline, certainly not ones that make sense for the Spurs and the patient approach they've been preaching. I look forward to reading some of your thoughts and predictions!

For the record, something along the lines of Coby White or Jonas Valanciunas or even Aaron Nesmith would be bigger than I think at this point. Certainly moving to the realm of John Collins would be way bigger than I think, and that's not to mention the Ingram/Butler/Zion/Lavine list of options.

I definitely agree with you that we are one major piece away from reaching a next level. I just don't think we'll be doing that before the deadline. The offseason, my expectation is that we will be doing that and if we don't I'll be extremely disappointed.

Looking forward to your prediction thread!

[DAF86]

Wow, really? I have the exact opposite gut feeling, lol.


I think a bigger-than-we-think trade is coming much sooner than later. I don't believe that the people at the FO are nearly as "dumb" or slow as people around here make them out to be, and it's beyond obvious that they've got solid gold in their hands with Wemby.

Especially after a win like yesterday - it's clear to see that the team is a major piece away from reaching a whole 'nother ceiling.

The fact that people like Manu, Tony, Timmy etc stay extremely close to the franchise and Pop - who is out here calling CP3 after every game - is extremely reassuring to me. What do you think they're all talking about, after last game, between each other and to the Spurs' staff?


I'm tempted to start a prediction post tbh...

I really don't see it, tbh. Can you provide an example of what a "bigger-than-we-think" trade would be?

[rascal]

Spurs still looking to the 25 draft and not going to make a major impact trade.

Spurs like the current core roster and will continue to ride on that train.

[Splits]

Yeah I agree. I think Spurs picked up option to give them another chance and cause they were cheap. It's evident and clearer now who won't be in the plans in the future so Spurs should be looking at trade options heavily to clear out the roster and add talent for now or later, or help another team out for short term cap space in exchange for draft capital. If you can get anything in exchange for HB, Blake, Bran, Keldon (for the right deal though) and/or Collins, Spurs gotta pull the trigger. CP could be in this discussion as well, but feel Spurs would have the convo with him first to see what he'd want to do - you know the old Spurs way.

rookie scale options are almost always picked up, 50 were exercised and only 7 rejected this season, or 12%

[BackHome]

One thing I have noticed is Tre plays almost entire games he is easily averaging 38 minutes a game I think the last game he played 40 minutes.

[CorrectCrusader]

I'm not sure what stars are available right now that we would really want.

[Mal]

It is not a top 10 pick yet were halfway through the season. Victor would ask for a trade if we don't win 5 straight. Does a top 10 pick matter with no Victor?

So you trade top 10 pick, to win 5 more games in season, that does not matter ? And where is this Victor asking for trade coming from ? He is constatly remanding, he is not taking shortcuts.

[Sugus]

I really don't see it, tbh. Can you provide an example of what a "bigger-than-we-think" trade would be?

Sending out Vassell for Lavine, for example. Not that I want it but that's the kind of "upgrade" I can see the team going for, especially at a perceived lower cost.

I'd like one that sends out multiple players, but those are rarer.

[Sugus]

By "sooner than later" do you mean by the trade deadline? Because that was the context of my post that you quoted (and to be clear, I'm not trying to beef with you over semantics or who-said-what, I'm just looking for clarification on what you are thinking).

I just don't know what "bigger-than-we-think" options are really out there between now and the deadline, certainly not ones that make sense for the Spurs and the patient approach they've been preaching. I look forward to reading some of your thoughts and predictions!

For the record, something along the lines of Coby White or Jonas Valanciunas or even Aaron Nesmith would be bigger than I think at this point. Certainly moving to the realm of John Collins would be way bigger than I think, and that's not to mention the Ingram/Butler/Zion/Lavine list of options.

I definitely agree with you that we are one major piece away from reaching a next level. I just don't think we'll be doing that before the deadline. The offseason, my expectation is that we will be doing that and if we don't I'll be extremely disappointed.

Looking forward to your prediction thread!

Ah, no, sorry, I wasn't replying in context. Yeah I meant the off-season, I had understood you meant a quiet off-season.

No, I don't see much happening at the deadline in general. Maybe Spurs help facilitate a Butler trade but that's about all I imagine. But I definitely feel change coming after this season is done.

Yeah, no disagreements there and I'd love a Valanciunas or Coby White on the team. For some reason I keep thinking of a Vassell - Lavine trade, and I see the Bulls going for it if offered. Beyond that, anything that revamps the bench is a sight for sore eyes.


I fear starting a prediction thread and jinxing it tbh :lol I'm not much of a reverse-jinxer either, I'll leave it to a bolder poster...

[spursparker9]

Raptors leading by 9 in the 4Q....better don't choke

[Strategic]

Hawks crashing hard tonight going for 4th loss in a row.

[mudyez]

Great night for our draft odds.

[Mr. Body]

Risacher held that team together.

[cutewizard]

Go down Hawks

Continue your slide

[onechance87]

fck u atl

[dn0774]

Wonder what the expected timeline on Jalen Johnson and Deandre Hunter are to return from injury. If they miss extended time this could get really interesting.

[scott]

Maybe we'll catch a break and Atl will completely implode

[BackHome]

Bufkin out for the remaining season

[CorrectCrusader]

Bufkin out for the remaining season
Bummer for us, he stinks.

[mo7888]

They've got a brutal schedule the next 20 games. This stretch will determine their season.

[onechance87]

we need the bulls to pass them up in the standings.But they look like they getting worst as well sitting colby white as welll.

[Mr. Body]

They came out hot, with a player like Hunter hitting really high 3pts and Daniels being effective there, too. The injuries are going to hurt bad as the shooting has fallen off.

I don't think they fall worse than 8th or 9th worst record though. There's a bit of a firewall of tanking going on.

[Mr. Body]

we need the bulls to pass them up in the standings.But they look like they getting worst as well sitting colby white as welll.

Bulls actively want to tank and will succeed.

[DAF86]

Sending out Vassell for Lavine, for example. Not that I want it but that's the kind of "upgrade" I can see the team going for, especially at a perceived lower cost.

I'd like one that sends out multiple players, but those are rarer.

That would be beyond awful, and I don't really see the upgrade in the long run, tbh.

[montgod]

They came out hot, with a player like Hunter hitting really high 3pts and Daniels being effective there, too. The injuries are going to hurt bad as the shooting has fallen off.

I don't think they fall worse than 8th or 9th worst record though. There's a bit of a firewall of tanking going on.

Might depend on what Jalen's shoulder injury looks like. That affect them greatly if he's out for a long period of time.

[itzsoweezee]

lol…. This won’t age well.

lol. They’re quiet as fuck now. Anyone who thinks the dejounte trade was a bad one for the spurs is an absolute moron.

[Mr. Body]

Might depend on what Jalen's shoulder injury looks like. That affect them greatly if he's out for a long period of time.

True, just saying that the worse record teams have huge incentive to keep being worse.

[scott]

lol. They’re quiet as fuck now. Anyone who thinks the dejounte trade was a bad one for the spurs is an absolute moron.

Has anyone actually said this?

[Strategic]

Trae ruled out for today’s game. Maybe the wolves won’t choke.

[ginobilized]

If we have 2 shots at the lottery balls, that would be phenomenal. 3 is a long shot with Chicago's hard tank.
Half a season to go and anything could theoretically happen. If we end up with 2 of the 12 chances to get a high pick we will have succeeded. Wildly. If not we have several future chances.

The east is so weird and fragile that injuries and/or implosion could be part of the equation that affects our chances. 6ers might not rebound which bodes well for the Bulls pick. 1200 games left.

[scott]

Trae ruled out for today’s game. Maybe the wolves won’t choke.

Maybe we'll catch another break from the basketball gods. Best case scenario is probably the 9th seed (with the ATL pick) in the lottery, because I don't see the Sixers pulling it together and in fact I wonder if they'll shut it down to try and protect their pick (though this might also be tough. They are +3 wins on the Nets for the #6 seed, they'll likely need to get lucky and jump into the Top 4.

[objective]

Jalen Johnson is the straw that stirs the drink, he's the only player that matters

Hawks are 2-1 without Trae Young this season and 14-14 last season without him.

[Mr. Body]

Philly is five games back of Atlanta in the win column which is imo insurmountable. The Sixers outright suck, even playing their guys.

I don't see Atlanta going worse than 9th. I see the worst eight teams pretty locked in, with Chicago being the 9th worse and probably also tanking. I see no way the Hawks can out-shit teams that are already in full on shit mode. They have too many wins stacked up. Those Ws against Cleveland and Boston hurt.

[Mr. Body]

If the Sixers manage to turn it on and Bulls sort of stay mediocre-ish and the Spurs get better, then Atlanta can wind up #8. That's probably best case scenario.

[mo7888]

If the Sixers manage to turn it on and Bulls sort of stay mediocre-ish and the Spurs get better, then Atlanta can wind up #8. That's probably best case scenario.

While I think Atlanta is in for a rough next 7 or 8 games, I can't see anyway they finish lower than 8th either. #9 would be my guess as well..

[couchman]

I think the Hawks are going to have to lose in the play-in to give us a lottery pick.
If that happens there's a crazy scenario where the Hawks and Spurs both move up and we get the #1 AND #2 picks.
In that scenario the Bulls pick would get pushed to 11 and also convey.
Might as well dream amirite?

I played on Tankathon and only had to push the button a few dozen times to get this result, even though it is something like at 0.09% probability or less.
How lucky can we get?

[itzsoweezee]

Has anyone actually said this?

Multiple people in this thread criticizing Wright. Ie, BWrong, bad bet, etc. No matter what happens, it was an awesome trade and if it yields a lottery pick or two, it was better trade than anyone could have imagined

[scott]

Multiple people in this thread criticizing Wright. Ie, BWrong, bad bet, etc. No matter what happens, it was an awesome trade and if it yields a lottery pick or two, it was better trade than anyone could have imagined

Wright has earned the criticism. The team is still terrible, and if not for Wemby we'd be leading the Capture The Flagg race, either by intentional or unintentional tanking.

I haven't seen anyone say the Dejounte trade was a bad one, but rather criticize what we've done with these assets since, which is fair criticism.

And saying "if it yields a lottery pick, it was a better trade than anyone could have imagined" is quite revisionist history - all people have been doing since the trade has been imagining lottery picks :lol

[ffadicted]

More mad at Wright at those Bulls pick protections tbh... the Atlanta trade was great.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

More mad at Wright at those Bulls pick protections tbh... the Atlanta trade was great.

What about the protections? Wright traded a literal free agent :lol there was no way to make it unprotected too.

[baseline bum]

More mad at Wright at those Bulls pick protections tbh... the Atlanta trade was great.

The Chicago trade was amazing. A first only top 10 protected this year, top 8 the next two for a guy the team wanted to let walk for nothing. Even in the unlikely event it only converts as two seconds it was still a win.

[scott]

All of Wright's "tear down" moves were great. A++ on that front. But that's the easy part of the job. You (hopefully) don't acquire all these picks so that you can actually make them, you acquire them for use as trade assets. The criticism of Wright is that he's failed to cash them in, to the point where they've lost their value. CHA has completely lost any value it may have once had, CHI might be on a similar path, and (at a minimum) the shine has worn off of ATL25.

[Mr. Body]

People who were saying at the top of the year that this team was barely going to win more than 22 games are now bitching that the team isn't already a contender. smdh

[itzsoweezee]

Wright has earned the criticism. The team is still terrible, and if not for Wemby we'd be leading the Capture The Flagg race, either by intentional or unintentional tanking.

I haven't seen anyone say the Dejounte trade was a bad one, but rather criticize what we've done with these assets since, which is fair criticism.

And saying "if it yields a lottery pick, it was a better trade than anyone could have imagined" is quite revisionist history - all people have been doing since the trade has been imagining lottery picks :lol

Using the trade as a basis for criticism of wright means disagree with the trade. It’s a clear underlying premise.

And expecting multiple lottery picks out of the dejounte trade is just nuts. I never expected that. Did you?

[scott]

Using the trade as a basis for criticism of wright means disagree with the trade. It’s a clear underlying premise.

I'd agree with this statement, had I ever seen anyone do this. I can't think of a single post where someone is criticizing Brian Wright for the Dejounte trade (though I admit, I have a healthy list of morons on ignore). Can you point me to one? I see people criticizing the job he's done building a coherent roster, which should not be confused for criticizing the trading of Dejounte Murray for picks and tanking for Wemby.


And expecting multiple lottery picks out of the dejounte trade is just nuts. I never expected that. Did you?

47% percent of picks ever year are lottery picks. Considering that the Spurs have two of them plus a swap, even if you expect random variance (which I do when trading for picks beyond a 3 year time horizon), then it is logical to expect at least one lottery pick (in fact there is an 85% chance of at least one of the picks or the swap yielding a lottery pick if you assume random variance). So, back to your statement "if it yields a lottery pick or two, it was better trade than anyone could have imagined" - well, maybe you just lack imagination, because at least one lottery pick is the heavy odds on favorite for the outcome of trading for that package 3+ years out.

[itzsoweezee]

I'd agree with this statement, had I ever seen anyone do this. I can't think of a single post where someone is criticizing Brian Wright for the Dejounte trade (though I admit, I have a healthy list of morons on ignore). Can you point me to one? I see people criticizing the job he's done building a coherent roster, which should not be confused for criticizing the trading of Dejounte Murray for picks and tanking for Wemby.



47% percent of picks ever year are lottery picks. Considering that the Spurs have two of them plus a swap, even if you expect random variance (which I do when trading for picks beyond a 3 year time horizon), then it is logical to expect at least one lottery pick (in fact there is an 85% chance of at least one of the picks or the swap yielding a lottery pick if you assume random variance). So, back to your statement "if it yields a lottery pick or two, it was better trade than anyone could have imagined" - well, maybe you just lack imagination, because at least one lottery pick is the heavy odds on favorite for the outcome of trading for that package 3+ years out.

So you’re saying there was an 85% chance one pick in a three year period would be in the lottery? That seems very different than a high probability that one of the Atlanta picks would be in the lottery. The dejounte trade was in the offseason following the season they went to the eastern conference finals. They needed defense in the backcourt, and while a lot of people thought it was an overpay on Atlanta’s part, most thought it improved Atlanta’s future outcomes. Under those circumstances, yes, I’m surprised if Atlanta’s pick indeed turns out to be a lottery pick.

[Splits]

People who were saying at the top of the year that this team was barely going to win more than 22 games are now bitching that the team isn't already a contender. smdh

There were no "people" saying 22 wins this year. The debate was the o/u on 36.5. Quit being an obtuse lying little bitch

[Mr. Body]

There were no "people" saying 22 wins this year. The debate was the o/u on 36.5. Quit being an obtuse lying little bitch

Yeah you're straight up lying.

[Splits]

Yeah you're straight up lying.


People who were saying at the top of the year that this team was barely going to win more than 22 games

Your claim, why don't you quote some of those "people"?

[rascal]

I'd agree with this statement, had I ever seen anyone do this. I can't think of a single post where someone is criticizing Brian Wright for the Dejounte trade (though I admit, I have a healthy list of morons on ignore). Can you point me to one? I see people criticizing the job he's done building a coherent roster, which should not be confused for criticizing the trading of Dejounte Murray for picks and tanking for Wemby.



47% percent of picks ever year are lottery picks. Considering that the Spurs have two of them plus a swap, even if you expect random variance (which I do when trading for picks beyond a 3 year time horizon), then it is logical to expect at least one lottery pick (in fact there is an 85% chance of at least one of the picks or the swap yielding a lottery pick if you assume random variance). So, back to your statement "if it yields a lottery pick or two, it was better trade than anyone could have imagined" - well, maybe you just lack imagination, because at least one lottery pick is the heavy odds on favorite for the outcome of trading for that package 3+ years out.

There were quite a few people in here who didn't want to tank for Wemby as they saw the 14% chance not worth tanking for. Some even held on to the belief that the Spurs have never tanked and it's in their culture to not.

[scott]

So you’re saying there was an 85% chance one pick in a three year period would be in the lottery? That seems very different than a high probability that one of the Atlanta picks would be in the lottery.

For clarity, I'm saying that if you take any 3 picks in the far out future, and assume random variance of the full range of outcomes, there is an 85% chance of at least one of those 3 picks being a lottery pick. This is just mathematical. If there is a 47% chance of coin landing on heads (47% picks being lotto picks), then there is an 85% of at least one of three coin flips being heads.

What you seem to think I'm saying is that one of the Spurs or Atlanta would be a lottery pick over that 3 year stretch, but that is not correct. Those odds would actually be 98% if (and this is the important part) you assume random variance of the full range of outcomes.

When we traded Dejounte to Atlanta, I (and I think probably the majority of folks here) expected them to at least yield one lottery pick because 1) the picks were 3+ years away when random variance starts to kick in for almost all teams, but certainly all teams who aren't established long-term contenders (currently, that list would be OKC, BOS, maybe DEN and that's probably about it); and 2) because ATL is historically a shit franchise, putting even more credence into the random variance expectation. It's the same reason people are excited about SAC30 Swaps and MIN31 picks.


The dejounte trade was in the offseason following the season they went to the eastern conference finals. They needed defense in the backcourt, and while a lot of people thought it was an overpay on Atlanta’s part, most thought it improved Atlanta’s future outcomes. Under those circumstances, yes, I’m surprised if Atlanta’s pick indeed turns out to be a lottery pick.

I dare to say if you went back and pulled up the thread of that trade, you'd be in the minority. But if the expectation was that none of these picks would be lottery picks, we should have traded them away a long time ago for something better than a late FRP (definitionally, pick 15 or later).

Have you found a post of anyone criticizing Brian Wright for trading Dejounte yet?

[scott]

There were quite a few people in here who didn't want to tank for Wemby as they saw the 14% chance not worth tanking for. Some even held on to the belief that the Spurs have never tanked and it's in their culture to not.

Some people believe in Angels. That fact is also not really relevant to the discussion we are having, but thanks for chiming in.

[rascal]

Some people believe in Angels. That fact is also not really relevant to the discussion we are having, but thanks for chiming in.

I believe in angels, I'm not an atheist.

[itzsoweezee]

For clarity, I'm saying that if you take any 3 picks in the far out future, and assume random variance of the full range of outcomes, there is an 85% chance of at least one of those 3 picks being a lottery pick. This is just mathematical. If there is a 47% chance of coin landing on heads (47% picks being lotto picks), then there is an 85% of at least one of three coin flips being heads.

What you seem to think I'm saying is that one of the Spurs or Atlanta would be a lottery pick over that 3 year stretch, but that is not correct. Those odds would actually be 98% if (and this is the important part) you assume random variance of the full range of outcomes.

When we traded Dejounte to Atlanta, I (and I think probably the majority of folks here) expected them to at least yield one lottery pick because 1) the picks were 3+ years away when random variance starts to kick in for almost all teams, but certainly all teams who aren't established long-term contenders (currently, that list would be OKC, BOS, maybe DEN and that's probably about it); and 2) because ATL is historically a shit franchise, putting even more credence into the random variance expectation. It's the same reason people are excited about SAC30 Swaps and MIN31 picks.



I dare to say if you went back and pulled up the thread of that trade, you'd be in the minority. But if the expectation was that none of these picks would be lottery picks, we should have traded them away a long time ago for something better than a late FRP (definitionally, pick 15 or later).

Have you found a post of anyone criticizing Brian Wright for trading Dejounte yet?

No, that’s not what I think you’re saying. But you are making predictions about the Atlanta picks based on generalized data ( any 3 picks in the far out future, and assume random variance of the full range of outcomes), and not on variables that reflected Atlanta’s specific situation at the time of the trade.

And since it’s not clear, criticizing Wright in a post dedicated to the Atlanta pick is a criticism of the trade. Like I said, that is an underlying premise in this context.

[Strategic]

Rishacher starts with 4 boards in 4 minutes.

[scott]

No, that’s not what I think you’re saying. But you are making predictions about the Atlanta picks based on generalized data ( any 3 picks in the far out future, and assume random variance of the full range of outcomes), and not on variables that reflected Atlanta’s specific situation at the time of the trade.

Yes, and that's how I would evaluate any picks 3+ years out for pretty much any team other than OKC and maybe BOS at this point.


And since it’s not clear, criticizing Wright in a post dedicated to the Atlanta pick is a criticism of the trade. Like I said, that is an underlying premise in this context.

That's just lazy on your behalf. You're basically saying "I don't want to use my brain, so I'm just going to assume that if you criticize Wright in this thread then you are criticizing trading DJM". I mean, come on man.

[scott]

The dejounte trade was in the offseason following the season they went to the eastern conference finals.

FYI, you are also misremembering this.

The Hawks went to the ECF in the 2020-21 season. The Dejounte trade was in the summer after the 2021-22 season, when the Hawks were bounced in the first round. I don't know where our good friend exstatic is (I hope he is well), but I think he'd be one of the first to tell you that the majority of this board felt there was a very strong chance that at least one of these picks would be in the lotto.

[stnick2261]

I remember the talk of 2027 being the best pick because if Trae Young wasn't happy with his teammates, he would opt out and become a free agent. Also that it would only take 1 injury for them to fall apart.

[TXstbobcat]

Thank you Timberwolves!

[BackHome]

Good day today Hawks loose and Bulls win

[cutewizard]

HAWKS KEEP LOSING LOL

[cutewizard]

Give us that high pick

[MannyIsGod]

Philly is five games back of Atlanta in the win column which is imo insurmountable. The Sixers outright suck, even playing their guys.

I don't see Atlanta going worse than 9th. I see the worst eight teams pretty locked in, with Chicago being the 9th worse and probably also tanking. I see no way the Hawks can out-shit teams that are already in full on shit mode. They have too many wins stacked up. Those Ws against Cleveland and Boston hurt.

The idea that being 3 games back in the loss column with 36 left to play and 3 of those being head to head is insurmountable is one of the absolute worst takes I've ever seen from you which is really saying something.

Maybe Philly doesn't catch them, but at WORST, they have a 10-20% chance of catching them and I'm pretty sure its closer to 40-50%. Insurmountable is laughably stupid.

[onechance87]

jalen johnson listed day to day....Could be back soon rather then later.Was hoping he was out awhile to give philly and bulls
a chance to pass them up.They dont want to give us a lotto pick for sure:lol

[spursparker9]

5 straight loss. Fuck you Hawks :lol

[mystargtr34]

FTH

[Mr. Body]

The idea that being 3 games back in the loss column with 36 left to play and 3 of those being head to head is insurmountable is one of the absolute worst takes I've ever seen from you which is really saying something.

Maybe Philly doesn't catch them, but at WORST, they have a 10-20% chance of catching them and I'm pretty sure its closer to 40-50%. Insurmountable is laughably stupid.

Brother if you think this was the worst take then you truly have shit for brains. Stop with the hyperbole you fucking dope.

And I already said Philly might catch them, you little imbecile.

[rascal]

we need the bulls to pass them up in the standings.But they look like they getting worst as well sitting colby white as welll.

Forget the Bulls, they are one of the teams ready to tank the season.