Enemy of the people: Elon Musk

[TSA]

Dodge #4 stands.

You didn't answer the question. You constructed several straw men.

Sad.

Nothing is being dodged you just don't have a good rebuttal because you can't twist my answers.

In your hypothetical did Soros assemble a team for some other purpose than Elon assembled his "DOGE" team?

[ChumpDumper]

Nothing is being dodged you just don't have a good rebuttal because you can't twist my answers.

In your hypothetical did Soros assemble a team for some other purpose than Elon assembled his "DOGE" team?

You didn't answer my question.

Question pending.

Sure, the pretense is cutting spending.

Please don't dodge the question again.

[SnakeBoy]

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[TSA]

You didn't answer my question.

Question pending.

Sure, the pretense is cutting spending.

Please don't dodge the question again.

Your question was answered the first time.


If Soros assembled a team to run audits and cut back on wasteful spending, yes, I would approve.

You look really dumb trying to keep up this dodge thing today. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Your question was answered the first time.



You look really dumb trying to keep up this dodge thing today. :lol
Dodge #5.

That wasn't the question I asked.

You answered your question.:lol

[TSA]

Dodge #5.

That wasn't the question I asked.

You answered your question.:lol

No, I answered your question. In your hypothetical, if the Soros team was created for the same reason as Musk's "DOGE" team I said I would approve. I wouldn't give a shit if they had access to my information.

You look really dumb trying to keep up this dodge thing today. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

No, I answered your question. In your hypothetical, if the Soros team was created for the same reason as Musk's "DOGE" team I said I would approve. I wouldn't give a shit if they had access to my information.Or Soros' perceived political enemies and business competitors?

You really have a lot of trust in hypothetical completely connected unelected bureaucrat George Soros.:tu

Thank you for your honest expression of trust in George Soros.:tu

[TSA]

Or Soros' perceived political enemies and business competitors?

You really have a lot of trust in hypothetical completely connected unelected bureaucrat George Soros.:tu

Thank you for your honest expression of trust in George Soros.:tu

The stupidest part of your hypothetical was suspending belief and pretending Soros would assemble a team to audit the same entity that funds all of his NGO's :rollin

[TSA]

https://x.com/greg_price11/status/1887208952267460990

oof

[ChumpDumper]

The stupidest part of your hypothetical was suspending belief and pretending Soros would assemble a team to audit the same entity that funds all of his NGO's :rollinAccording to you, that doesn't matter.

You trust him.

That was your answer.

[GAustex]

Why is USAID giving money to the

NY Times?

Really?

[TSA]

According to you, that doesn't matter.

You trust him.

That was your answer.

The stupidest part of your hypothetical was suspending belief and pretending Soros would assemble a team to audit the same entity that funds all of his NGO's :rollin

[TSA]

Why is USAID giving money to the

NY Times?

Really?Government propaganda arms...all of them.

https://x.com/Liz_Wheeler/status/1887173667504947433

[ChumpDumper]

The stupidest part of your hypothetical was suspending belief and pretending Soros would assemble a team to audit the same entity that funds all of his NGO's :rollinAccording to you, that doesn't matter.

You would give him full discretion regarding who gets paid and who does not.

He could audit the payments to those NGOs and say everything's cool.

You trust him.

That was your answer.

[TSA]

According to you, that doesn't matter.

You would give him full discretion regarding who gets paid and who does not.

He could audit the payments to those NGOs and say everything's cool.

You trust him.

That was your answer.

Your hypothetical was so stupid that you're now forced to try and prop up a strawman to keep it afloat :rollin

[ChumpDumper]

Your hypothetical was so stupid that you're now forced to try and prop up a strawman to keep it afloat :rollin

It's not my fault you can't think things through.

If you want to flip-flop and change your answer to say you wouldn't trust Soros, you are free to do so.

As it stands, you are on record as saying you would trust George Soros in the same position Elon Musk is now in RE: the federal government.:tu

[SnakeBoy]

Can some one help clarify

I read but can’t believe that Politico did not make payroll that past pay period.

How can that be?

Thanks

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[GAustex]

1887208952267460990
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Nice
Like a bowling pin

[ChumpDumper]

1887208952267460990
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Looks like they skyrocketed under Trump too tbh.

Was he too busy budgeting hundreds of millions in USAID for Ivanka's programs to notice?

[TSA]

It's not my fault you can't think things through.

If you want to flip-flop and change your answer to say you wouldn't trust Soros, you are free to do so.

As it stands, you are on record as saying you would trust George Soros in the same position Elon Musk is now in RE: the federal government.:tu

You're hypothetical question wasn't thought through very well as evidenced by your need to add a strawman to try and keep your gotcha alive. Disingenuous and pathetic. I don't know why I ever think you'll change :lol

I'm done with you.

[ChumpDumper]

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Wait, what does Sinclair have to do with this?

[ChumpDumper]

You're hypothetical question wasn't thought through very well as evidenced by your need to add a strawman to try and keep your gotcha alive. Disingenuous and pathetic. I don't know why I ever think you'll change :lol There was no strawman.

You just didn't think things through.

It's not uncommon with you. You do these things quite often.

For the record, my answer would be no -- I wouldn't trust Soros in this role anymore than I trust Elon.

That is the correct answer you should have just said in the first place. The opportunities for these people to act in their own self-interests are too great.

But you're done with thinking. That much is clear. You're an NPC cheerbot for Trump and anything associated with him.

I'm d:cryne with y:cryu.
:lol

[TSA]

https://x.com/greg_price11/status/1886925625434214898


https://x.com/LangmanVince/status/1887182348485021978

:lmao

[TSA]

There was no strawman.



If Soros assembled a team of kids and got access to all the payment information from the Department of Treasury (including yours and your family's and that of your business and any Soros competitor or perceived enemy) and was able to keep and read any of it at any time, would you approve?


Strawman #1


You would give him full discretion regarding who gets paid and who does not.

Strawman #2


you are on record as saying you would trust George Soros in the same position Elon Musk is now in RE: the federal government. :tu

You're pathetic dude. No point in conversing with someone as disingenuous as you are.

[ChumpDumper]

Strawman #1



Strawman #2



You're pathetic dude. No point in conversing with someone as disingenuous as you are.

Not strawmen. You're fine with all the power Elon has been given and you said you would be fine if Soros had been given the same power.

If you want to flip-flop, go ahead and flip-flop. It's not a crime and there's no shame in admitting you just didn't think things through.

You're OK with Elon's being given all this power because you trust him.

You wouldn't be OK if Soros were given the same power because you don't trust him.

Accurate?

Make yourself clear.

[SnakeBoy]

https://x.com/greg_price11/status/1886925625434214898


https://x.com/LangmanVince/status/1887182348485021978

:lmao

Every movement needs a scrappy little dyke :lmao

[TSA]

Strawman #3


You're fine with all the power Elon has been given and you said you would be fine if Soros had been given the same power.


You just can't converse honestly, it's sad.

[ChumpDumper]

Strawman #3



You just can't converse honestly, it's sad.

So you wouldn't be fine with Soros' being given the same power?

Jesus, just state a clear opinion, man. There's nothing to be afraid of.

[SnakeBoy]

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[Blake]

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Lol old white guys talking over her cuz they know she's right

[SnakeBoy]

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[Blake]

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Will get out the popcorn bucket when the lawsuits start getting filed

[Dod01]

https://i.postimg.cc/NFmH3prD/9j3rnt-1.webp (https://postimages.org/)

[DarrinS]

https://i.postimg.cc/NFmH3prD/9j3rnt-1.webp (https://postimages.org/)

Another salute truther. :lmao

[Dod01]

Another salute truther. :lmao

Thx. It is what it is, and you guys are what you are. I mean who cares at this point, right? It's not like the monkey hasn't been out the cage for decades.

[ducks]

: Elon Musk and DOGE engineers have obtained security clearances - Reuters

[ChumpDumper]

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Maybe he can get Rick Scott arrested!

[Dod01]

: Elon Musk and DOGE engineers have obtained security clearances - Reuters

Hope y'all enjoy this far right-wing dictatorship that were going to.

[ducks]

lol Trump is not far right
He is moderate republican

[ChumpDumper]

lol Trump is not far right
He is moderate republican

:lmao

[Dod01]

lol Trump is not far right
He is moderate republican

Lol, even if this was true, lol @ thinking the buck stops with Trump and only Trump with said right-wing dictatorship.

[ducks]

https://x.com/VernonForGA/status/1887264752633794891
84 million for Clinton daughter !

[ducks]

Far right Republican would not have two former democracts in his cabinet

[ChumpDumper]

https://x.com/VernonForGA/status/1887264752633794891
84 million for Clinton daughter !

You do know Trump budgeted $100 million for his daughter through USAID, don't you?

[ChumpDumper]

Far right Republican would not have two former democracts in his cabinet

Two fucking nutbags? Of course he would.

[ducks]

Oh and musk was a former democract your wonderful idols ticked off

[ChumpDumper]

Oh and musk was a former democract your wonderful idols ticked off

I never idolized any of these morons.

[Dod01]

Oh and musk was a former democract your wonderful idols ticked off

The only thing that matters is that Musk is now a far-right scumbag NOW. It doesn't matter what he was 15-20-25 years ago.

[SnakeBoy]

lol Trump is not far right
He is moderate republican

He's a damn democrat

[GAustex]

The only thing that matters is that Musk is now a far-right scumbag NOW. It doesn't matter what he was 15-20-25 years ago.

I know it’s hard for you

Does it hurt

You will feel better if you get out in the street

Maybe burn something

[ducks]

JD Vance
@JDVance
·
6h
“No one voted for Elon Musk.” (They did however vote for Donald Trump who promised repeatedly to have Elon Musk root out wasteful spending in our government.)

[Dod01]

I know it’s hard for you

Does it hurt

You will feel better if you get out in the street

Maybe burn something

You're part of the problem.

[Dod01]

I know it’s hard for you

Does it hurt

You will feel better if you get out in the street

Maybe burn something

Were going toward a far-right dictatorship due in part because people like you support and want to own the opposition. You'd burn yourself alive if it owned said opposition.

[Dod01]

I know it’s hard for you

Does it hurt

You will feel better if you get out in the street

Maybe burn something

Idiots like you are going to make this a horrible country to live because you support going to said dictatorship.

[GAustex]

Idiots like you are going to make this a horrible country to live because you support going to said dictatorship.

Triple reply

Remember you and yours made me.

You went too far

Sit back and take or hit the streets and do something

[SnakeBoy]

Triple reply

Remember you and yours made me.

You went too far

Sit back and take or hit the streets and do something

Amen

[Dod01]

Triple reply

Remember you and yours made me.

You went too far

Sit back and take or hit the streets and do something

Who cares about the triple reply. It's irrelevant. Again, your idiocy and ignorance will be the downfall of this country.

[GAustex]

Who cares about the triple reply. It's irrelevant. Again, your idiocy and ignorance will be the downfall of this country.

Think of this

It’s just getting started

[Dod01]

Think of this

It’s just getting started

Trust me, we know it's just getting started. Hope pwning teh libernsalls wuz werth et.

[ducks]

The liberals and their elected officials
"We must stop Elon Musk from exposing government
corruption!!!"

[ducks]

I'm sorry, but if you're against what Elon is doing with DOGE
you're an idiot

Period.

America is 36 trillion dollars in debt. We are heading towards a debt death spiral

If we do not get rid of the waste and fraud this country will CEASE to exist

If you are AGAINST Elon saving your own tax dollars from going to waste, you are brainwashed

You've been manipulated by Joy Reid and the other shills on television

This isn't some political partisan battle

This is about saving America

[Yonivore]

So, have the Elon Musk haters yet explained why they're angry with DOGE exposing the waste and fraud at USAID? I'm not going to go back through this thread...it looks like it devolved more than usual.

[Blake]

I'm sorry, but if you're against what Elon is doing with DOGE
you're an idiot

Period.

America is 36 trillion dollars in debt. We are heading towards a debt death spiral

If we do not get rid of the waste and fraud this country will CEASE to exist

If you are AGAINST Elon saving your own tax dollars from going to waste, you are brainwashed

You've been manipulated by Joy Reid and the other shills on television

This isn't some political partisan battle

This is about saving America

Elon threw money down the toilet with Twitter. No reason to trust him with my tax dollars

[ChumpDumper]

Triple reply

Remember you and yours made me.

You went too far

Sit back and take or hit the streets and do somethingNah you were always a piece of shit.

[ChumpDumper]

So, have the Elon Musk haters yet explained why they're angry with DOGE exposing the waste and fraud at USAID? I'm not going to go back through this thread...it looks like it devolved more than usual.Why did Trump waste millions on his daughter through USAID?

[Yonivore]

Hope y'all enjoy this far right-wing dictatorship that were going to.
If you mean the ferreting out of fraud and waste in government as being dictatorial, I'm enjoying it.

If you mean having the most transparent administration in a generation as being dictatorial, I'm enjoying it.

If you mean watching the elite (Republican and Democrat alike) panicking over the loss of their gravy train at USAID as being dictatorial, I'm enjoying it.

I really had lost hope this country would ever put a stop to the spending and fraud. Finally, we have an executive with the balls to make it happen.

I'm not sure what you believe has been done that's extra-constitutional or dictatorial but, so far, all I've seen is bitching.

Soon (or not) the Left should realize President Trump is doing exactly what he promised he would do. He's doing exactly what we elected him to do. His voters are ecstatic.

I wonder why you're standing up for those that have been sucking at the government teat and are now bitching because they're being weaned.

[Yonivore]

Elon threw money down the toilet with Twitter. No reason to trust him with my tax dollars
He's not doing anything with your tax dollars except for auditing those that have been spending it and pointing out where abuses have occurred.

[Yonivore]

Why did Trump waste millions on his daughter through USAID?
Who said it was wasted?

Both Secretary Rubio and the President have stated that not all programs funded by USAID are going to be scrapped. If they serve the national interest and fit the mission of the USAID, they'll probably remain.

The Women's Global Development and Prosperity Initiative, the program championed by Ivanka Trump, may or may not make the cut. We'll see.

[ChumpDumper]

Who said it was wasted?

Both Secretary Rubio and the President have stated that not all programs funded by USAID are going to be scrapped. If they serve the national interest and fit the mission of the USAID, they'll probably remain.

The Women's Global Development and Prosperity Initiative, the program championed by Ivanka Trump, may or may not make the cut. We'll see.
Oh so Trump money good.

[Yonivore]

You do know Trump budgeted $100 million for his daughter through USAID, don't you?
The money never touched Ivanka Trump.

Why do you have to be so disingenuous?

[Yonivore]

Oh so Trump money good.
It's not "Trump Money" and I just said, I don't know if the Initiative survives DOGE recommended cuts.

You really are mad that Elon Musk has empty the feeding trough that was USAID, aren't you?

[GAustex]

The money never touched Ivanka Trump.

Why do you have to be so disingenuous?

He is a disingenuous piece of shit

[ChumpDumper]

The money never touched Ivanka Trump.

Why do you have to be so disingenuous?


It's not "Trump Money" and I just said, I don't know if the Initiative survives DOGE recommended cuts.

You really are mad that Elon Musk has empty the feeding trough that was USAID, aren't you?


He is a disingenuous piece of shit
So defensive.

USAID good now?

Just waiting for Elon to tell you what's good?

[ducks]

Elon threw money down the toilet with Twitter. No reason to trust him with my tax dollars

I bet he recovers all he paid for it and more
It already is profitable

[Yonivore]

So defensive.
Not defensive. You just spout shit as if it has meaning. Trump Money to Ivanka Trump? Seriously, do you even take yourself seriously?


USAID good now?
No one said USAID was bad but, it appears those running USAID were. You obviously don't understand how an audit works.


Just waiting for Elon to tell you what's good?
If you were Elon and read this report, where does it fall on your fraud to legitimate scale?

Womens Global Development and Prosperity Initiative (http://state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/W-GDP-Annual-Report-2020-2021.pdf)

During the Biden administration, the initiative was managed by the U.S. Department of State, led by Ambassador-at-Large for Global Women's Issues Geeta Rao Gupta. Ivanka Trump hasn't had any involvement in the initiative since it was established.

I mean, I know it's not $12,000 subscriptions to Politico or the funding of transgender operas somewhere but, it just might have merit.

[ChumpDumper]

Not defensive. You just spout shit as if it has meaning. Trump Money to Ivanka Trump? Seriously, do you even take yourself seriously?


No one said USAID was bad but, it appears those running USAID were. You obviously don't understand how an audit works.


If you were Elon and read this report, where does it fall on your fraud to legitimate scale?

Womens Global Development and Prosperity Initiative (http://state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/W-GDP-Annual-Report-2020-2021.pdf)

During the Biden administration, the initiative was managed by the U.S. Department of State, led by Ambassador-at-Large for Global Women's Issues Geeta Rao Gupta. Ivanka Trump hasn't had any involvement in the initiative since it was established.

I mean, I know it's not $12,000 subscriptions to Politico or the funding of transgender operas somewhere but, it just might have merit.
Dude "CIA slush fund" has been repeated over and over about USAID.

Pick a lane.

Good or bad?

Or are you awaiting further orders?

[Yonivore]

Dude "CIA slush fund" has been repeated over and over about USAID.
And, all evidence suggests it was a CIA slush fund. That doesn't mean all the programs funded by USAID were bad. Are you really that stupid?

USAID has been collapsed and, once the audit is complete and remaining programs are established it will be folded directly into the Office of the State Department...where it should have been all along.

Why are you against ferreting out government waste and abuse?

[ChumpDumper]

And, all evidence suggests it was a CIA slush fund. That doesn't mean all the programs funded by USAID were bad. Are you really that stupid?

USAID has been collapsed and, once the audit is complete and remaining programs are established it will be folded directly into the Office of the State Department...where it should have been all along.

Why are you against ferreting out government waste and abuse?Trump's CIA bad now?

[Yonivore]

Trump's CIA bad now?
Not any more. Trump's CIA in his first term appears to have been bad. Yes.

It appears John Ratcliffe is on board with the President's agenda to clean house.

Is that bad, Chump?

[ChumpDumper]

Not any more. Trump's CIA in his first term appears to have been bad. Yes.

It appears John Ratcliffe is on board with the President's agenda to clean house.

Is that bad, Chump?What a fucking failure your Trump is.

How many excuses do you need to make for his failures?

[Yonivore]

What a fucking failure your Trump is.

How many excuses do you need to make for his failures?
It's not an excuse. Every time you've raised the issue of the poor first term I've said he not surround himself with the best people. He relied on the Republican establishment to help build his cabinet and administrative appointees. It was a mistake. He's admitted it. I've acknowledged it. We've both moved on.

Obviously, he's not making the mistake again.

[ChumpDumper]

It's not an excuse. Every time you've raised the issue of the poor first term I've said he not surround himself with the best people. He relied on the Republican establishment to help build his cabinet and administrative appointees. It was a mistake. He's admitted it. I've acknowledged it. We've both moved on.

Obviously, he's not making the mistake again.So many excuses.

Never Trump's fault.

[Yonivore]

So many excuses.
Just one acknowledgement.

So, tell me, is auditing government spending and weeding our corrupt officials a bad thing now, Chump?

[ChumpDumper]

Just one acknowledgement.

So, tell me, is auditing government spending and weeding our corrupt officials a bad thing now, Chump?There are nonstupid ways to do it.

You're being stupid.

[Yonivore]

There are nonstupid ways to do it.

You're being stupid.
How is the way their conducting the audit and weeding out of corruption being stupid?

Frankly, jumping in with both feet and not giving the criminals time to catch their breath or hide evidence is the best way to find abuses and weed out corruption.

Seriously, I'd like to know how you would have approached this task.

If you suspected an agency, such as USAID, with a large contingent of former U. S. Intelligence officials of fraudulently disbursing or otherwise wasting taxpayer dollars; how would you approach it?

[ChumpDumper]

How is the way their conducting the audit and weeding out of corruption being stupid?

Frankly, jumping in with both feet and not giving the criminals time to catch their breath or hide evidence is the best way to find abuses and weed out corruption.

Seriously, I'd like to know how you would have approached this task.

If you suspected an agency, such as USAID, with a large contingent of former U. S. Intelligence officials of fraudulently disbursing or otherwise wasting taxpayer dollars; how would you approach it?You shut down the entire Medicaid payment system, you moron.

You think former CIA could just hit DEL and erase all the payment and grant records?:lol

[z0sa]

Hitler salute = enemy of the people.

This isn't hard to understand.

[Yonivore]

You shut down the entire Medicaid payment system, you moron.
I didn't do anything. And, not that you would believe it but, the funding freeze specifically excluded Medicaid. The outage, according to the administration was unrelated to the Executive Order and it was fixed in a day.

Frankly, if it turns out it was related to someone's mistaken interpretation of the OMB Memorandum, I suspect a case of malicious compliance (a la removing the video on the Tuskegee Airmen from the Air Force Academy classrooms) on the part of someone over at OMB. The memorandum [Read it here] (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25506391-m-25-13-temporary-pause-to-review-agency-grant-loan-and-other-financial-assistance-programs/) that caused all the ruckus wasn't sent through the normal vetting processes and was issued directly by the Office of Management and Budget, in response to Executive Orders issued by the President.

Two footnotes in the memorandum explicitly state the pause was not meant for those receiving individual assistance (which would include Medicaid). I've helpfully included the footnotes, below:


1 2 CFR 200.1 defines Federal financial assistance to mean “[a]ssistance that recipients or subrecipients receive or administer” in various forms, but this term does not include assistance provided directly to individuals. For the purposes of this memorandum, Federal financial assistance includes: (i) all forms of assistance listed in paragraphs(1) and (2) of the definition of this term at 2 CFR 200.1; and (ii) assistance received or administered by recipients or subrecipients of any type except for assistance received directly by individuals.
2 Nothing in this memo should be construed to impact Medicare or Social Security benefits.

If you want more, read the memo and then read the Executive Orders and then read 2 CFR 200, all of which are referred to in the memorandum.


You think former CIA could just hit DEL and erase all the payment and grant records?:lol
So, how would you have approached USAID without giving them any time to destroy evidence? How would you approach any facility or organization, in which you suspect fraud and abuse, without tipping them off?

[Yonivore]

Hitler salute = enemy of the people.

This isn't hard to understand.
Okay.

https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2571222/kamala-harris.png?w=1200&f=a738f9e0fd8cf731dacc8f889f69c877

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't do anything. And, not that you would believe it but, the funding freeze specifically excluded Medicaid. The outage, according to the administration was unrelated to the Executive Order and it was fixed in a day.

Frankly, if it turns out it was related to someone's mistaken interpretation of the OMB Memorandum, I suspect a case of malicious compliance (a la removing the video on the Tuskegee Airmen from the Air Force Academy classrooms) on the part of someone over at OMB. The memorandum [Read it here] (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25506391-m-25-13-temporary-pause-to-review-agency-grant-loan-and-other-financial-assistance-programs/) that caused all the ruckus wasn't sent through the normal vetting processes and was issued directly by the Office of Management and Budget, in response to Executive Orders issued by the President.

Two footnotes in the memorandum explicitly state the pause was not meant for those receiving individual assistance (which would include Medicaid). I've helpfully included the footnotes, below:



If you want more, read the memo and then read the Executive Orders and then read 2 CFR 200, all of which are referred to in the memorandum.


So, how would you have approached USAID without giving them any time to destroy evidence? How would you approach any facility or organization, in which you suspect fraud and abuse, without tipping them off?:lol Your DEL key conspiracy theory.

The records are there. It's not like these Politico funds were actually illegal, for example.

[ChumpDumper]

Why the secrecy? Isn't this about revealing secrets?

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https://x.com/josephfcox/status/1887183140143104504

[ChumpDumper]

Elon reports to....Elon.

Not Trump.

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https://x.com/samstein/status/1887207700259311902

[ChumpDumper]

Nope, no conflict here....Elon says so.

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https://x.com/SteveRattner/status/1887174203469713528

[Winehole23]

real people affected by the unconsitituional Musk/Trump spending coup

Trumpism teaches hatred of poor people and half of America, so it's a selling point for them that people get hurt


Half of Virginia’s community health centers have been cut off from federal grant money, forcing some to stop providing certain services and others to close branches.

The commonwealth has 31 Federally Qualified Health Centers (https://vcha.org/about/community-health-centers/) with over 200 locations (https://vcha.org/locations/) — a majority of which serve rural areas with limited access to medical care. Annually, about 400,000 Virginians rely on the care provided by these nonprofit, community-based centers, according to the Virginia Community Healthcare Association.

They provide primary health, dental, behavioral health, and pharmaceutical and substance abuse services to people with Medicaid or Medicare, the underinsured and the uninsured. They also treat those with private insurance on a sliding fee scale.
Since Jan. 28, 16 of the state’s FQHCs have been unable to access federal funding that allows them to pay employees, according to Joe Stevens, a VCHA spokesperson.
https://www.vpm.org/news/2025-02-04/virginia-community-health-centers-close-federal-funding-grant-access

[z0sa]

Okay.

https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2571222/kamala-harris.png?w=1200&f=a738f9e0fd8cf731dacc8f889f69c877

That wasn’t a Hitler salute. You know this, or, more likely, you’re stupid. Dangerously so.

Post the entire clip, loser. We’ll compare.

[z0sa]

Why the secrecy? Isn't this about revealing secrets?

1887183140143104504

https://x.com/josephfcox/status/1887183140143104504

Look, a real shadow government.

Conservatives complain about this shit with 0 evidence. Real evidence from their own side comes out that they're really establishing a shadow government, crickets and/or cheers.

Y'all suck.

[Winehole23]

Look, a real shadow government.

Conservatives complain about this shit with 0 evidence. Real evidence from their own side comes out that they're really establishing a shadow government, crickets and/or cheers.

Y'all suck.wrecking shit and hurting people is what they're best at, that's what they're doing

[Winehole23]

DOGE to make "rapid safety upgrades" to US air safety

Can't think of why El0n wants to get his hands on the safety policy of the agency that regulates his company, maybe he just cares about safety that much.


Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy announced Wednesday that Elon Musk (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/elon-musk)’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) will take part in upgrading the U.S. aviation system following the deadliest airline accident in decades. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/ap-charlotte-army-black-hawk-american-airlines-b2692963.html)
“Big News,” Duffy wrote on X. “Talked to the DOGE team. They are going to plug in to help upgrade our aviation system.” (https://x.com/SecDuffy/status/1887209012867047525)

Musk reposted Duffy’s message, adding: (https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1887233566263967812) “With the support of President @realDonaldTrump, the @DOGE team will aim to make rapid safety upgrades to the air traffic control system. Just a few days ago, the FAA’s primary aircraft safety notification system failed for several hours!”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/elon-musk-aviation-air-traffic-control-b2693143.html

[DarrinS]

Cry harder

[Winehole23]

dry eyes here, I've always been a frequent poster

do you have a take on the El0n/Trump coup?

[Winehole23]

DarrinS is like a walking eye-roll with an empty braincase

nothing to say about anything

[Winehole23]

court order limits DOGE's contact with Treasury -- Bessent didn't want a ruling on the underlying constitutional issue

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[Blake]

He's not doing anything with your tax dollars except for auditing those that have been spending it and pointing out where abuses have occurred.

Why should anyone trust him to spot abuse?

[Blake]

Nope, no conflict here....Elon says so.

1887174203469713528

https://x.com/SteveRattner/status/1887174203469713528

Yeah, can a Trump tard here explain why my tax dollar should go to Space X?

[TSA]

The money never touched Ivanka Trump.

Why do you have to be so disingenuous?

It's the only way he knows how to operate. It's impossible for him to have a conversation in good faith.

[TSA]

So, have the Elon Musk haters yet explained why they're angry with DOGE exposing the waste and fraud at USAID?

I posted a bunch of examples yesterday and even gave winehole a tool to search the USAID waste on his own and not a single reply about the waste and he just ignored it and started posting in the same thread as if nothing happened. :lol

[Winehole23]

I posted a bunch of examples yesterday and even gave winehole a tool to search the USAID waste on his own and not a single reply about the waste and he just ignored it and started posting in the same thread as if nothing happened. :lolI'm not a fan of USAID either, but ElOn and the president can't disappear agencies created by law with a magic wand because they don't like them, or don't jibe with the priorities of the current occupant of the WH

the issue here is normal constitutional order, not whether the funding target is worthy.

pass a fucking law if you want to get rid of a US agency

[Winehole23]

if you can't do that, maybe there's not as much support as you think for what you're doing

[TSA]

I'm not a fan of USAID either, but ElOn and the president can't disappear agencies created by law with a magic wand because they don't like them, or don't jibe with the priorities of the current occupant of the WH

the issue here is normal constitutional order, not whether the funding target is worthy.

pass a fucking law if you want to get rid of a US agency

So you agree with what DOGE is doing in principle you just don't like how they are going about it?

[Winehole23]

So you agree with what DOGE is doing in principle you just don't like how they are going about it?no, DOGE itself is sketchy as hell

if you want to abolish an agency you need to pass a law -- cutting off federal transfers on El0n and Trump's say so is nakedly unconstitutional

El0n fiddling with the US system of payment isn't advisory, it's vandalism

[Winehole23]

using DOGE to mine personal information about "government employees disloyal to Trump" could be related to cost cutting

it could also be related an ongoing partisan purge of the US government, something we've not seen in the USA since the 19th century

[Yonivore]

That wasn’t a Hitler salute.
Neither was Musk's.


You know this, or, more likely, you’re stupid. Dangerously so.

Post the entire clip, loser. We’ll compare.
You do the same, both were taken out of context.

[Yonivore]

Why should anyone trust him to spot abuse?
Have you not seen the results from just his audit of USAID? You don't think DOGE is "spotting abuse" there? He's fucking killing it. On to Treasury and Education and then, the Health and Human Services agency; where he'll take a look at the abuses in Medicare and Medicaid?

[TSA]

Yeah, can a Trump tard here explain why my tax dollar should go to Space X?Those are contracts not subsidies you fucking idiot. Space X can build and launch a more efficient rocket for 1/10th the price of our own government. Space X is saving you money.


https://x.com/NathanEWilkinsn/status/1887348931773833347




Steven, your post is a masterclass in deception. Let’s set the record straight:

1. Contracts Aren’t Free Money
The $15.4 billion you’re crying about isn’t some welfare check, it’s payment for actual work. SpaceX didn’t “take” that money; it earned it by providing NASA with reliable, cost-effective rockets, saving taxpayers billions. That’s called delivering value, not “feeding.”

2. SpaceX Outperforms Everyone Else
NASA contracted SpaceX because they’re cheaper, faster, and better than the alternatives. Would you prefer we kept paying Russia to ferry our astronauts to space? Or maybe throw more money at legacy contractors charging 3x the cost? SpaceX revolutionized space travel while keeping American innovation and jobs here.

3. Tesla’s "Share"? A Drop in the Bucket
Tesla’s federal contracts are a fraction of that total. Its success wasn’t handed to it; it came from private sales and its game-changing innovations in clean energy. Yes, they benefited from EV tax incentives, just like every other automaker, but now they lead a global EV revolution.

4. Contracts vs. USAID
Here’s the kicker: USAID funds are given away with minimal oversight, often landing in the hands of corrupt regimes or questionable actors. Federal contracts with SpaceX and Tesla? Performance-based, accountable, and beneficial to the American people. Big difference.

So before you throw around numbers to spin your narrative, maybe consider the facts: Musk’s companies are delivering value for every penny. What’s your excuse for misleading people?

https://x.com/trailblazer817/status/1887229056329900126

[Yonivore]

Yeah, can a Trump tard here explain why my tax dollar should go to Space X?
NASA needs his rockets and his capabilities to reach the International Space Station because Boeing DEI hires can barely keep planes in the air, much less deploy a safe means of rescuing our astronauts. Next question?

[Blake]

The money never touched Ivanka Trump.

Why do you have to be so disingenuous?


He is a disingenuous piece of shit


It's the only way he knows how to operate. It's impossible for him to have a conversation in good faith.

According to USAID documents, Ivanka Trump used over $11,000 from the department in 2019 to buy video recording and reproducing equipment for a White House event.

The documents show $11,539 was to used by Trump in November 2019 to purchase software, CDs, tapes and records.

The purchase was approved by Jenifer Healy, who was serving as USAID deputy chief of staff at the time, and the Administrator's Office. It is not clear which White House event the equipment was used for.

https://www.newsweek.com/ivanka-trump-usaid-money-white-house-event-2027132

[TSA]

Have you not seen the results from just his audit of USAID? You don't think DOGE is "spotting abuse" there? He's fucking killing it. On to Treasury and Education and then, the Health and Human Services agency; where he'll take a look at the abuses in Medicare and Medicaid?It will be wild to see the dollar amount of fraud found.

[Blake]

NASA needs his rockets and his capabilities to reach the International Space Station because Boeing DEI hires can barely keep planes in the air, much less deploy a safe means of rescuing our astronauts. Next question?

I wonder if NASA is on his DOGE list.

[Yonivore]

According to USAID documents, Ivanka Trump used over $11,000 from the department in 2019 to buy video recording and reproducing equipment for a White House event.

The documents show $11,539 was to used by Trump in November 2019 to purchase software, CDs, tapes and records.

The purchase was approved by Jenifer Healy, who was serving as USAID deputy chief of staff at the time, and the Administrator's Office. It is not clear which White House event the equipment was used for.

https://www.newsweek.com/ivanka-trump-usaid-money-white-house-event-2027132
For what were the recording and reproduction equipment used? To whom were the software, CDs, tapes and records distributed? Oh, it's unclear. Well, ask her. I suspect it's probably related to her advocacy of the initiative. I don't know. What I do know it's a long way from saying President Trump gave Ivanka $100 million. You know, hyperbole isn't serving your side of the argument very well, Blake.

[Blake]

It will be wild to see the dollar amount of fraud found.

The problem is that you guys don't want to look at any possible fraud on your team. Trumptards will screech every time when someone points a finger at their heroes.

[TSA]

According to USAID documents, Ivanka Trump used over $11,000 from the department in 2019 to buy video recording and reproducing equipment for a White House event.

The documents show $11,539 was to used by Trump in November 2019 to purchase software, CDs, tapes and records.

The purchase was approved by Jenifer Healy, who was serving as USAID deputy chief of staff at the time, and the Administrator's Office. It is not clear which White House event the equipment was used for.

https://www.newsweek.com/ivanka-trump-usaid-money-white-house-event-2027132

Did you even read the rest of the article before posting what you thought was a gotcha? :rollin

"the White House released a list of foreign aid programs the administration views as wasteful that are likely to be cut. They include $20 million for a "new Sesame Street show in Iraq," as well as $1.5 million and $5.5 million to promote LGBTQ+ advocacy in Jamaica and Uganda, two countries where members of the LGBTQ+ community have few legal rights. Uganda has one of the world's strictest antigay laws, including the death penalty.

The administration also pointed to programs to fund $6 million for tourists in Egypt, more than $19 million to promote "inclusion" in Vietnam and $5 million to EcoHealthAlliance, described as "one of the key NGOs funding bat virus research at the Wuhan lab."

"White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt criticized USAID for sending $1.5 million to advance DEI in Serbia workplaces, $70,000 for a "DEI musical" in Ireland and $32,000 for a "transgender comic book in Peru." She also claimed that USAID spent $47,000 on a "transgender opera in Colombia."

https://www.newsweek.com/ivanka-trump-usaid-money-white-house-event-2027132

[ChumpDumper]

DarrinS is like a walking eye-roll with an empty braincase

nothing to say about anything

He wants the world to feel his pain.

[Winehole23]

The problem is that you guys don't want to look at any possible fraud on your team. Trumptards will screech every time when someone points a finger at their heroes.they have the never admitting fault disease so bad they want to make it a crime to disagree with trump

[Blake]

For what were the recording and reproduction equipment used? To whom were the software, CDs, tapes and records distributed? Oh, it's unclear. Well, ask her. I suspect it's probably related to her advocacy of the initiative. I don't know. What I do know it's a long way from saying President Trump gave Ivanka $100 million. You know, hyperbole isn't serving your side of the argument very well, Blake.

She used USAID funds. Keep downplaying it like your lord and master commands you.

[Blake]

Did you even read the rest of the article before posting what you thought was a gotcha? :rollin

"the White House released a list of foreign aid programs the administration views as wasteful that are likely to be cut. They include $20 million for a "new Sesame Street show in Iraq," as well as $1.5 million and $5.5 million to promote LGBTQ+ advocacy in Jamaica and Uganda, two countries where members of the LGBTQ+ community have few legal rights. Uganda has one of the world's strictest antigay laws, including the death penalty.

The administration also pointed to programs to fund $6 million for tourists in Egypt, more than $19 million to promote "inclusion" in Vietnam and $5 million to EcoHealthAlliance, described as "one of the key NGOs funding bat virus research at the Wuhan lab."

"White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt criticized USAID for sending $1.5 million to advance DEI in Serbia workplaces, $70,000 for a "DEI musical" in Ireland and $32,000 for a "transgender comic book in Peru." She also claimed that USAID spent $47,000 on a "transgender opera in Colombia."

https://www.newsweek.com/ivanka-trump-usaid-money-white-house-event-2027132

Oh look a text wall

[Winehole23]

agree or disagree, trumpies?

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[ChumpDumper]

For what were the recording and reproduction equipment used? To whom were the software, CDs, tapes and records distributed? Oh, it's unclear. Well, ask her. I suspect it's probably related to her advocacy of the initiative. I don't know. What I do know it's a long way from saying President Trump gave Ivanka $100 million. You know, hyperbole isn't serving your side of the argument very well, Blake.

Oh , you pump the brakes when the word Trump is mentioned but create your own Dobbs conspiracy theory when it's a name you don't like.:lol

[Winehole23]

this is temporizing, Trumpies don't consent to lawful orders

nor will they when a TRO comes out


Judge issues Order stating, “Defendants represented to the Court that DOL will not allow DOGE access to any DOL data until after this Court rules on the TRO motion on Friday.”

[TSA]

The problem is that you guys don't want to look at any possible fraud on your team. Trumptards will screech every time when someone points a finger at their heroes.

I DEMAND A FULL INVESTIGATION INTO THE $11,539 THAT IVANKA TRUMP USED FROM USAID TO PURCHASE VIDEO RECORDING EQUIPMENT FOR A WHITE HOUSE EVENT.

[TSA]

Oh look a text wall

You own goaled yourself with the Newsweek article...take the L and move on :lol

[ChumpDumper]

I DEMAND A FULL INVESTIGATION INTO THE $11,539 THAT IVANKA TRUMP USED FROM USAID TO PURCHASE VIDEO RECORDING EQUIPMENT FOR A WHITE HOUSE EVENT.

Do you tho?

[Spurs Homer]

I DEMAND A FULL INVESTIGATION INTO THE $11,539 THAT IVANKA TRUMP USED FROM USAID TO PURCHASE VIDEO RECORDING EQUIPMENT FOR A WHITE HOUSE EVENT.

Well. Its a start... now how bout dem 2 billion jared/saudi payoffs?

Jonathan, a brown man from san antonio (who wants you to know he is from california! a real blue state that he hates!) defending a white supremacist and his nazi team. Priceless!


hahahahahahaha!

[TSA]

She used USAID funds. Keep downplaying it like your lord and master commands you.

:lol thinking $11,539 needs to be downplayed

[Winehole23]

omfg stop the presses, the US government buys news subscriptions


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[Yonivore]

Oh , you pump the brakes when the word Trump is mentioned but create your own Dobbs conspiracy theory when it's a name you don't like.:lol
I'm not opposed to investigating the funds distributed to the initiative, by USAID, or having Ivanka Trump being asked to explain her expenditures. Why are you opposed to a transparent audit of the USAID, Treasury, or any other executive branch agency?

[Yonivore]

:lol thinking $11,539 needs to be downplayed
Nope. Not thinking that.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not opposed to investigating the funds distributed to the initiative, by USAID, or having Ivanka Trump being asked to explain her expenditures. Why are you opposed to a transparent audit of the USAID, Treasury, or any other executive branch agency?strawman

You could've found this information yourself. The information was always there.

You didn't care until you were told to care. Why?

[TSA]

strawman

You could've found this information yourself. The information was always there.

You didn't care until you were told to care. Why?"you didn't care until you were told to care" is such a weak attempt.

Did you already know about all of this and not care because you think it's money well spent?

— $7.9 million to teach Sri Lankan journalists how to avoid “binary-gendered language”

— $20 million for a new Sesame Street show in Iraq

— $4.5+ million to “combat disinformation” in Kazakhstan

— $1.5 million for “art for inclusion of people with disabilities”

— $2 million for sex changes and “LGBT activism” in Guatemala

— $6 million to “transform digital spaces to reflect feminist democratic principles”

— $2.1 million to help the BBC “value the diversity of Libyan society”

— $10 million worth of USAID-funded meals, which went to an al Qaeda-linked terrorist group

— $25 million for Deloitte to promote “green transportation” in the country of Georgia

— $6 million for tourism in Egypt

— $2.5 million to promote “inclusion” in Vietnam

— $16.8 million for a SEPARATE “inclusion” group in Vietnam

— ~$5 million to EcoHealth Alliance, one of the key NGOs funding bat virus research at the Wuhan lab

— $20 million for a group related to a key player in the Russiagate impeachment hoax

— $1.1 million to an Armenian “LGBT group”

— $1.2 million to help the African Methodist Episcopal Church Service and Development Agency in Washington, D.C., build “a state-of-the-art 440 seat auditorium”

— $1.3 million to Arab and Jewish photographers

— $1.5 million to promote “LGBT advocacy” in Jamaica

— $1.5 million to “rebuild” the Cuban media ecosystem

— $2 million to promote “LGBT equality through entrepreneurship” in Latin America

— $500K to solve sectarian violence in Israel (just ten days before the Hamas October 7 attack)

— $2.3 million for “artisanal and small scale gold mining” in the Amazon

— $3.9 million for “LGBT causes” in the western Balkans

— $5.5 million for LGBT activism in Uganda

— $6 million for advancing LGBT issues in “priority countries around the world”

— $6.3 million for men who have sex with men in South Africa

— $8.3 million for “USAID Education: Equity and Inclusion”

Or did you just find out like the rest of us once people started digging into USAID a few days ago?

[ChumpDumper]

"you didn't care until you were told to care" is such a weak attempt.

Did you already know about all of this and not care because you think it's money well spent?

— $7.9 million to teach Sri Lankan journalists how to avoid “binary-gendered language”

— $20 million for a new Sesame Street show in Iraq

— $4.5+ million to “combat disinformation” in Kazakhstan

— $1.5 million for “art for inclusion of people with disabilities”

— $2 million for sex changes and “LGBT activism” in Guatemala

— $6 million to “transform digital spaces to reflect feminist democratic principles”

— $2.1 million to help the BBC “value the diversity of Libyan society”

— $10 million worth of USAID-funded meals, which went to an al Qaeda-linked terrorist group

— $25 million for Deloitte to promote “green transportation” in the country of Georgia

— $6 million for tourism in Egypt

— $2.5 million to promote “inclusion” in Vietnam

— $16.8 million for a SEPARATE “inclusion” group in Vietnam

— ~$5 million to EcoHealth Alliance, one of the key NGOs funding bat virus research at the Wuhan lab

— $20 million for a group related to a key player in the Russiagate impeachment hoax

— $1.1 million to an Armenian “LGBT group”

— $1.2 million to help the African Methodist Episcopal Church Service and Development Agency in Washington, D.C., build “a state-of-the-art 440 seat auditorium”

— $1.3 million to Arab and Jewish photographers

— $1.5 million to promote “LGBT advocacy” in Jamaica

— $1.5 million to “rebuild” the Cuban media ecosystem

— $2 million to promote “LGBT equality through entrepreneurship” in Latin America

— $500K to solve sectarian violence in Israel (just ten days before the Hamas October 7 attack)

— $2.3 million for “artisanal and small scale gold mining” in the Amazon

— $3.9 million for “LGBT causes” in the western Balkans

— $5.5 million for LGBT activism in Uganda

— $6 million for advancing LGBT issues in “priority countries around the world”

— $6.3 million for men who have sex with men in South Africa

— $8.3 million for “USAID Education: Equity and Inclusion”

Or did you just find out like the rest of us once people started digging into USAID a few days ago?I didn't pretend to give a shit like you.

None of this was secret. You didn't care until you were told to care. None of you did.

Now your side has to lie about most of it and make up your fun conspiracy theories.

How sad is that?

[TSA]

I didn't pretend to give a shit like you.

None of this was secret. You didn't care until you were told to care. None of you did.

How sad is that?I didn't know this is what my tax dollars were going to. I do not think it is a good use of my tax dollars.

Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?

[Yonivore]

I didn't pretend to give a shit like you.

None of this was secret. You didn't care until you were told to care. None of you did.

Now your side has to lie about most of it and make up your fun conspiracy theories.

How sad is that?
Oh, we cared. We just didn't know how deep the rot in USAID was. Now it's being exposed.

Why don't you care about the corruption and mismanagement DOGE is exposing in our federal government?

Frankly, I think it's just the tip of the iceberg. Treasury, SSA and HHS are where the real money is being wasted.

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't know this is what my tax dollars were going to. I do not think it is a good use of my tax dollars.

Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?I'd have to line item every single grant. Which is something neither of us is going to do.

I'm not going to take the word you've been told about it. It's usually full of bullshit

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, we cared. We just didn't know how deep the rot in USAID was. Now it's being exposed.

Why don't you care about the corruption and mismanagement DOGE is exposing in our federal government?

Frankly, I think it's just the tip of the iceberg. Treasury, SSA and HHS are where the real money is being wasted.

:lol conspiracy theories

There are always more documents to translate, aren't there?

[TSA]

I'd have to line item every single grant. Which is something neither of us is going to do.

I'm not going to take the word you've been told about it. It's usually full of bullshit

Take these at face vale and assume every single one of these is verified and true. Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?

— $7.9 million to teach Sri Lankan journalists how to avoid “binary-gendered language”

— $20 million for a new Sesame Street show in Iraq

— $4.5+ million to “combat disinformation” in Kazakhstan

— $1.5 million for “art for inclusion of people with disabilities”

— $2 million for sex changes and “LGBT activism” in Guatemala

— $6 million to “transform digital spaces to reflect feminist democratic principles”

— $2.1 million to help the BBC “value the diversity of Libyan society”

— $10 million worth of USAID-funded meals, which went to an al Qaeda-linked terrorist group

— $25 million for Deloitte to promote “green transportation” in the country of Georgia

— $6 million for tourism in Egypt

— $2.5 million to promote “inclusion” in Vietnam

— $16.8 million for a SEPARATE “inclusion” group in Vietnam

— ~$5 million to EcoHealth Alliance, one of the key NGOs funding bat virus research at the Wuhan lab

— $20 million for a group related to a key player in the Russiagate impeachment hoax

— $1.1 million to an Armenian “LGBT group”

— $1.2 million to help the African Methodist Episcopal Church Service and Development Agency in Washington, D.C., build “a state-of-the-art 440 seat auditorium”

— $1.3 million to Arab and Jewish photographers

— $1.5 million to promote “LGBT advocacy” in Jamaica

— $1.5 million to “rebuild” the Cuban media ecosystem

— $2 million to promote “LGBT equality through entrepreneurship” in Latin America

— $500K to solve sectarian violence in Israel (just ten days before the Hamas October 7 attack)

— $2.3 million for “artisanal and small scale gold mining” in the Amazon

— $3.9 million for “LGBT causes” in the western Balkans

— $5.5 million for LGBT activism in Uganda

— $6 million for advancing LGBT issues in “priority countries around the world”

— $6.3 million for men who have sex with men in South Africa

— $8.3 million for “USAID Education: Equity and Inclusion”

[ChumpDumper]

Take these at face valueNo, that's how you started your Politico/BBC/NYT/AP conspiracy theory.

You're just cannonballs of ignorance and rage and confirmation bias.

[ChumpDumper]

Morons on your side, and probably ST morons specifically, will be talking unsubstantiated bullshit about Politico, et.al., from now on.

This is how you work.

Yoni is spiraling with multiple conspiracy theories as we speak.

[Blake]

I DEMAND A FULL INVESTIGATION INTO THE $11,539 THAT IVANKA TRUMP USED FROM USAID TO PURCHASE VIDEO RECORDING EQUIPMENT FOR A WHITE HOUSE EVENT.


Do you tho?

:lol not a big deal at all unless it meets some arbitrary dollar amount they come up with based on what team spent the $

[TSA]

No, that's how you started your Politico/BBC/NYT/AP conspiracy theory.
You're just cannonballs of ignorance and rage and confirmation bias.I didn't start a Politico/BBC/NYT/AP conspiracy theory you created that narrative in your head. The tweet I quoted from wikileaks made no mention of Politico/BBC/NYT/AP and I wasn't inferring that they were involved with that wikileaks was talking about.

The only reason I said to take them at face value was so that we could move past you asking me to provide every single grant before you'd answer my questions.

I entertained your Soros hypothetical yesterday so stop acting like such a bitch and answer the questions.

Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?

[TSA]

:lol not a big deal at all unless it meets some arbitrary dollar amount they come up with based on what team spent the $

Do you think the $11,539 from USAID that Ivanka Trump used for video equipment for a White House event is a big deal? yes or no.

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't start a Politico/BBC/NYT/AP conspiracy theory you created that narrative in your head. The tweet I quoted from wikileaks made no mention of Politico/BBC/NYT/AP and I wasn't inferring that they were involved with that wikileaks was talking about.The conspiracy theory was created and repeated here.


The only reason I said to take them at face valueWon't.

There have been too many lies from your side already and you have done fuck all to dispel them or even acknowledge them when they are exposed as compete bullshit.

Maybe we can talk about individual grants once your fever breaks.

[Blake]

Do you think the $11,539 from USAID that Ivanka Trump used for video equipment for a White House event is a big deal? yes or no.

It's your team raising the stink about using USAID money..... unless it was used by your team.

There's a lot of stuff I don't like my tax dollar being spent on but I don't want the guy that torched billions on buying Twitter to be the decider of what's waste and what's not.

[ChumpDumper]

Look at this fucking tsunami of misinformation your side generated this past week.

In the end, the right doesn't care about getting things right.

All vibes.

[TSA]

It's your team raising the stink about using USAID money..... unless it was used by your team.

There's a lot of stuff I don't like my tax dollar being spent on but I don't want the guy that torched billions on buying Twitter to be the decider of what's waste and what's not.

Do you think the $11,539 from USAID that Ivanka Trump used for video equipment for a White House event is a big deal? yes or no.

[TSA]

The conspiracy theory was created and repeated here.

Won't.

There have been too many lies from your side already and you have done fuck all to dispel them or even acknowledge them when they are exposed as compete bullshit.

Maybe we can talk about individual grants once your fever breaks.

You are such a fucking pussy :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

You are such a fucking pussy :lmaoThat I don't want to play your game using your rules and terms?

Tough shit.

You haven't proved to me you are arguing in good faith.

There are always things I don't want my tax money spent on -- the invasion and occupation of Iraq, for example. Now I'm supposed to lose my shit because we sent some money to educate children there?

You can lose your shit about it if you want. I ran out of outrage a couple decades ago.

You're missing the forest for the trees.

[ChumpDumper]

I mean Trump is going on and on about starting another foreign adventure in the Gaza Strip and you haven't said one word about it, TSA.

WTF?

[TSA]

That I don't want to play your game using your rules and terms?

Tough shit.

You haven't proved to me you are arguing in good faith.

There are always things I don't want my tax money spent on -- the invasion and occupation of Iraq, for example. Now I'm supposed to lose my shit because we sent some money to educate children there?

You can lose your shit about it if you want. I ran out of outrage a couple decades ago.

You're missing the forest for the trees.

You of all people bringing up arguing in good faith when you're caught lying constantly trying to advance your arguments :lmao

I'm not playing a game, you're just being a fucking pussy. You're a fucking pussy because you know those grants happened and you know they are a terrible waste of your tax dollars. You're a fucking pussy because you won't even answer a hypothetical question.

[ChumpDumper]

You of all people bringing up arguing in good faith when you're caught lying constantly trying to advance your arguments :lmao

I'm not playing a game, you're just being a fucking pussy. You're a fucking pussy because you know those grants happened and you know they are a terrible waste of your tax dollars. You're a fucking pussy because you won't even answer a hypothetical question.Let's save some time.

I acknowledge there is waste in government spending and in USAID.

Now what?

This justifies your bullshit machine?

Don't be a pussy, answer the question.

[SnakeBoy]

1887327804884152664

[TSA]

— $7.9 million to teach Sri Lankan journalists how to avoid “binary-gendered language”




I'd have to line item every single grant. Which is something neither of us is going to do.

I'm not going to take the word you've been told about it. It's usually full of bullshit

https://www.usaspending.gov/award/ASST_NON_AID383A1700001_7200
Total funding $7,906,904.00

A U.S. taxpayer-funded program that aims to advance media ethics in Sri Lanka has launched an extensive campaign that teaches journalists to actively state their gender pronouns and to avoid "binary-gendered language."

The Media Empowerment for a Democratic Sri Lanka (MEND) project, which is funded by the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), has published at least four presentations related to gender and other LGBTQ issues in recent weeks.

On Thursday, MEND’s Facebook page posted a presentation titled, "Gender Pronouns," Facebook, which tells Sri Lankan journalists to never "assume another person’s gender identity or their gender pronouns" and to "apologize if you called someone by the wrong pronoun." It also instructs them to "normalize the sharing of gender pronouns by actively sharing your own" and to "avoid binary-gendered language such as ‘ladies and gentlemen.’"

"Using the correct pronoun when talking to someone is a way of showing your respect to the other person’s gender identity," the presentation states. "Those who do not conform to the gender identities assigned by society and do not fit into the binary genders can face uncomfortable situations when interacting with others when they are referred to by the wrong pronoun."

"MEND posted a presentation in September about using "LGBTQ+ sensitive language in reporting," which tells Sri Lankan journalists, "Do not use phrases such as ‘born a girl,’ or ‘born a boy.’ ‘Sex assigned at birth’ is the correct phrase to use. For example: ‘Ravi is a transgender man.’ Do not say: ‘Ravi was born a woman.’"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-taxpayer-funded-program-teaches-sri-lankan-journalists-state-pronouns-avoid-binary-gendered-language

I didn't know this is what my tax dollars were going to. I do not think it is a good use of my tax dollars.

Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.usaspending.gov/award/ASST_NON_AID383A1700001_7200
Total funding $7,906,904.00

A U.S. taxpayer-funded program that aims to advance media ethics in Sri Lanka has launched an extensive campaign that teaches journalists to actively state their gender pronouns and to avoid "binary-gendered language."

The Media Empowerment for a Democratic Sri Lanka (MEND) project, which is funded by the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), has published at least four presentations related to gender and other LGBTQ issues in recent weeks.

On Thursday, MEND’s Facebook page posted a presentation titled, "Gender Pronouns," Facebook, which tells Sri Lankan journalists to never "assume another person’s gender identity or their gender pronouns" and to "apologize if you called someone by the wrong pronoun." It also instructs them to "normalize the sharing of gender pronouns by actively sharing your own" and to "avoid binary-gendered language such as ‘ladies and gentlemen.’"

"Using the correct pronoun when talking to someone is a way of showing your respect to the other person’s gender identity," the presentation states. "Those who do not conform to the gender identities assigned by society and do not fit into the binary genders can face uncomfortable situations when interacting with others when they are referred to by the wrong pronoun."

"MEND posted a presentation in September about using "LGBTQ+ sensitive language in reporting," which tells Sri Lankan journalists, "Do not use phrases such as ‘born a girl,’ or ‘born a boy.’ ‘Sex assigned at birth’ is the correct phrase to use. For example: ‘Ravi is a transgender man.’ Do not say: ‘Ravi was born a woman.’"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-taxpayer-funded-program-teaches-sri-lankan-journalists-state-pronouns-avoid-binary-gendered-language

I didn't know this is what my tax dollars were going to. I do not think it is a good use of my tax dollars.

Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?

Pass a budget. That's what Congress is for.

[TSA]

— $20 million for a new Sesame Street show in Iraq


I'd have to line item every single grant. Which is something neither of us is going to do.

I'm not going to take the word you've been told about it. It's usually full of bullshit
https://www.usaspending.gov/award/ASST_NON_72026721CA00001_7200

https://www.highergov.com/grant/72026721CA00001/

13 million for Ahlan Simsim (Sesame Street in Iraq)

"In Iraq, we’re working with USAID to extend Ahlan Simsim’s reach with culturally tailored educational media for young children and tools for caregivers and teachers to promote understanding, equity, and tolerance across divides."
https://sesameworkshop.org/our-work/middle-east-and-north-africa/

I didn't know this is what my tax dollars were going to. I do not think it is a good use of my tax dollars.

Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?

[TSA]

Pass a budget. That's what Congress is for.Dodge #1

I didn't know this is what my tax dollars were going to. I do not think it is a good use of my tax dollars.

Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?

[TSA]

$6 million to “transform digital spaces to reflect feminist democratic principles”


I'd have to line item every single grant. Which is something neither of us is going to do.

I'm not going to take the word you've been told about it. It's usually full of bullshit

https://www.usaspending.gov/award/ASST_NON_7200AA22LA00002_7200
6 million

https://www.irex.org/files/transform_fact_sheet.pdf

I didn't know this is what my tax dollars were going to. I do not think it is a good use of my tax dollars.

Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?

[Yonivore]

Look at this fucking tsunami of misinformation your side generated this past week.

In the end, the right doesn't care about getting things right.

All vibes.
What misinformation, Chump?

A few fundamental questions for you to answer—if you’re capable of rational thought:

1. Does the President have the power to administer agencies within the executive branch? My answer: Yes. Yours?
2. Does the President have the power to inspect and audit agencies within the executive branch? My answer: Yes. Yours?
3. Does the President have the power to remove all executive branch employees he’s ousted so far? My answer: Yes—and before you embarrass yourself, there are only two exceptions to the President's removal power (see Seila Law v. CFPB), neither of which applies here. Your answer?
4. Does the President have the power to rescind Executive Orders from previous administrations? My answer: Yes, unless Congress codified them into law. Yours?
5. Does the President have the power to hire whomever he chooses for positions not subject to the advice and consent provision of the Constitution? My answer: Yes. Yours?

If you can’t bring yourself to answer Yes to these fundamental facts, then arguing with you is about as productive as debating a parrot trained to screech "Orange Man Bad!"

I waste far too much time sourcing and citing responses to you, only for you to reply with your usual mix of smug deflections and brainless tribal slogans. You never rebut. You never engage. You never discuss. You just sling poo like an enraged zoo monkey whenever faced with facts that don't fit your script.

Your entire rhetorical arsenal consists of mocking sources instead of refuting them, building strawman arguments and torching them like a drunk arsonist, and desperately pivoting to unrelated nonsense, ("but Ivanka got $100 million from daddy").

You're not here to argue in good faith, Chump. You’re here to parrot whatever half-baked partisan talking points you absorbed from your last doomscroll session.

It’s why I turned you off before, and it’s why I’m doing it again. Engaging with you is like debating a malfunctioning chatbot programmed to repeat "Trump bad, Musk evil, LOL your sources" on an infinite loop.

You can't even admit that it’s a good thing the massive corruption, abuse, and mismanagement at USAID is being exposed.
You can't even acknowledge that American hostages have been recovered from Israel and Venezuela.
You can't even recognize that illegal immigration has been almost eliminated in under three weeks.

Because for you, winning the argument matters more than acknowledging reality. And that’s exactly why you sit in this forum, lurking like a miserable, embittered troll, finding validation in tearing down others instead of contributing anything of substance.

I only came back here because a serious illness in my family gave me time to engage again. That’s resolved now, and unlike you, I have better things to do than feed a deluded internet mosquito whose entire personality is built on bad-faith bickering.

So congratulations, Chump—you “won.” You’ve successfully annoyed yet another rational person out of this pathetic echo chamber of a forum. I’ll still drop my takes, but I won’t be wasting another second engaging with you directly. You’re back on the ignore list, where you belong.

Now go ahead—get your last word in. That’s all you have left.

[TSA]

"you didn't care until you were told to care" is such a weak attempt.

Did you already know about all of this and not care because you think it's money well spent?

— $7.9 million to teach Sri Lankan journalists how to avoid “binary-gendered language”

— $20 million for a new Sesame Street show in Iraq

— $4.5+ million to “combat disinformation” in Kazakhstan

— $1.5 million for “art for inclusion of people with disabilities”

— $2 million for sex changes and “LGBT activism” in Guatemala

— $6 million to “transform digital spaces to reflect feminist democratic principles”

— $2.1 million to help the BBC “value the diversity of Libyan society”

— $10 million worth of USAID-funded meals, which went to an al Qaeda-linked terrorist group

— $25 million for Deloitte to promote “green transportation” in the country of Georgia

— $6 million for tourism in Egypt

— $2.5 million to promote “inclusion” in Vietnam

— $16.8 million for a SEPARATE “inclusion” group in Vietnam

— ~$5 million to EcoHealth Alliance, one of the key NGOs funding bat virus research at the Wuhan lab

— $20 million for a group related to a key player in the Russiagate impeachment hoax

— $1.1 million to an Armenian “LGBT group”

— $1.2 million to help the African Methodist Episcopal Church Service and Development Agency in Washington, D.C., build “a state-of-the-art 440 seat auditorium”

— $1.3 million to Arab and Jewish photographers

— $1.5 million to promote “LGBT advocacy” in Jamaica

— $1.5 million to “rebuild” the Cuban media ecosystem

— $2 million to promote “LGBT equality through entrepreneurship” in Latin America

— $500K to solve sectarian violence in Israel (just ten days before the Hamas October 7 attack)

— $2.3 million for “artisanal and small scale gold mining” in the Amazon

— $3.9 million for “LGBT causes” in the western Balkans

— $5.5 million for LGBT activism in Uganda

— $6 million for advancing LGBT issues in “priority countries around the world”

— $6.3 million for men who have sex with men in South Africa

— $8.3 million for “USAID Education: Equity and Inclusion”

Or did you just find out like the rest of us once people started digging into USAID a few days ago?

These are even better :rollin

$15 million for condoms to the Taliban through USAID.

$446,700 to promote the expansion of atheism in Nepal through the State Department.

$1 million to boost French-speaking LGBTQ groups in West and Central Africa through the State Department.

$14 million in cash vouchers for migrants at the southern border through the State Department.

$20,600 for a drag show in Ecuador through the State Department.

$47,020 for a transgender opera in Colombia through the State Department.

$32,000 for an LGBTQ-centered comic book in Peru through the State Department.

$55,750 for a climate change presentation warning about the impact of climate change in Argentina to be led by female and LGBT journalists through the StateDepartment.

$3,315,446 for “being LGBTQ in the Caribbean” through USAID.

$7,071.58 for a BIPOC speaker series in Canada through the State Department.

$80,000 for an LGBTQ community center in Bratislava, Slovakia through the State Department.

$3.2 million to help Tunisian migrants readjust to life in Tunisia after deportation through the State Department.

$16,500 to foster a “united and equal queer-feminist discourse in Albanian society” through the State Department.

$10,000 to pressure Lithuanian corporations to promote “DEI values” through the State Department.

$8,000 to promote DEI among LGBTQ groups in Cyprus through the State Department.

$1.5 million to promote job opportunities for LGBTQ individuals in Serbia through USAID.

$70,884 to create a U.S.-Irish musical to promote DEI in Ireland through the State Department.

$39,652 to host seminars at the Edinburgh International Book Festival on gender identity and racial equality through the State Department.

$2.5 million to build electric vehicle charging stations in Vietnam’s largest cities through USAID.

$425,622 to help Indonesian coffee companies become more climate and gender friendly through USAID.

https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/press-release/chairman-mast-exposes-outrageous-usaid-and-state-department-grants/

[TSA]

What misinformation, Chump?

A few fundamental questions for you to answer—if you’re capable of rational thought:

1. Does the President have the power to administer agencies within the executive branch? My answer: Yes. Yours?
2. Does the President have the power to inspect and audit agencies within the executive branch? My answer: Yes. Yours?
3. Does the President have the power to remove all executive branch employees he’s ousted so far? My answer: Yes—and before you embarrass yourself, there are only two exceptions to the President's removal power (see Seila Law v. CFPB), neither of which applies here. Your answer?
4. Does the President have the power to rescind Executive Orders from previous administrations? My answer: Yes, unless Congress codified them into law. Yours?
5. Does the President have the power to hire whomever he chooses for positions not subject to the advice and consent provision of the Constitution? My answer: Yes. Yours?

If you can’t bring yourself to answer Yes to these fundamental facts, then arguing with you is about as productive as debating a parrot trained to screech "Orange Man Bad!"

I waste far too much time sourcing and citing responses to you, only for you to reply with your usual mix of smug deflections and brainless tribal slogans. You never rebut. You never engage. You never discuss. You just sling poo like an enraged zoo monkey whenever faced with facts that don't fit your script.

Your entire rhetorical arsenal consists of mocking sources instead of refuting them, building strawman arguments and torching them like a drunk arsonist, and desperately pivoting to unrelated nonsense, ("but Ivanka got $100 million from daddy").

You're not here to argue in good faith, Chump. You’re here to parrot whatever half-baked partisan talking points you absorbed from your last doomscroll session.

It’s why I turned you off before, and it’s why I’m doing it again. Engaging with you is like debating a malfunctioning chatbot programmed to repeat "Trump bad, Musk evil, LOL your sources" on an infinite loop.

You can't even admit that it’s a good thing the massive corruption, abuse, and mismanagement at USAID is being exposed.
You can't even acknowledge that American hostages have been recovered from Israel and Venezuela.
You can't even recognize that illegal immigration has been almost eliminated in under three weeks.

Because for you, winning the argument matters more than acknowledging reality. And that’s exactly why you sit in this forum, lurking like a miserable, embittered troll, finding validation in tearing down others instead of contributing anything of substance.

I only came back here because a serious illness in my family gave me time to engage again. That’s resolved now, and unlike you, I have better things to do than feed a deluded internet mosquito whose entire personality is built on bad-faith bickering.

So congratulations, Chump—you “won.” You’ve successfully annoyed yet another rational person out of this pathetic echo chamber of a forum. I’ll still drop my takes, but I won’t be wasting another second engaging with you directly. You’re back on the ignore list, where you belong.

Now go ahead—get your last word in. That’s all you have left.

I'm in the same boat as you and think I'm about done with him, again. I let him out of his time out after a year of ignoring thinking he might have changed his ways but it's just the same old lies and deception he's always relied on.

[Yonivore]

I'm in the same boat as you and think I'm about done with him, again. I let him out of his time out after a year of ignoring thinking he might have changed his ways but it's just the same old lies and deception he's always relied on.
I'm not sure we can claim what he does is lies and deception, he rarely (if ever) sources what he says so one can determine its veracity. He just says it. Then, when you take the time to look into his claim (i.e. $100 million to Ivanka) you find its a total misrepresentation of the truth.

He's just a troll who gets his information from a very limited set of sources (probably supported by USAID, as we're finding out) and can't bring himself to actually investigate opposing views because he's afraid it'll challenge his world view.

[Blake]

Do you think the $11,539 from USAID that Ivanka Trump used for video equipment for a White House event is a big deal? yes or no.

You never know how to not move the goalposts. Sure it's a big deal because it came from USAID and you guys said she never touched it.

Back to the main point:

If USAID is a waste, great I'm fine with getting rid of it. I'm not fine with a radical partisan right wing group being the ones to determine what's waste and what's not.

dO yOu unDerStanD

[Yonivore]

You never know how to not move the goalposts. Sure it's a big deal because it came from USAID and you guys said she never touched it.

Back to the main point:

If USAID is a waste, great I'm fine with getting rid of it. I'm not fine with a radical partisan right wing group being the ones to determine what's waste and what's not.

dO yOu unDerStanD
I understand. You want the audit to be partisan. Well, elections have consequences, Blake.

Do you disagree with any of the findings of DOGE, so far, in their audit and exposure of malfeasance at USAID? Anything? Anything at all?

[Blake]

I understand. You want the audit to be partisan. Well, elections have consequences, Blake.

Bipartisan. Elections shouldn't result in burning up our system of checks and balances.


Do you disagree with any of the findings of DOGE, so far, in their audit and exposure of malfeasance at USAID? Anything? Anything at all?

I'm sure some will be worthless in my opinion but it's been so much so fast that nobody, including you nuts, has had any time to dig out the details below the surface of each of these programs.

[Winehole23]

curious if true, this is from Dave Levitan's social media account, haven't been able to find corroboration online

El0n continues to salt federal agencies with his own cronies


NEW: Apparently the Dept of Energy has replaced its Chief Information Officer with a "network engineer from SpaceX" who has maybe run a service desk but has no other IT leadership experience, per a source with knowledge.

The DOE, among other things, oversees all nuclear security. So that's cool.

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.usaspending.gov/award/ASST_NON_72026721CA00001_7200

https://www.highergov.com/grant/72026721CA00001/

13 million for Ahlan Simsim (Sesame Street in Iraq)

"In Iraq, we’re working with USAID to extend Ahlan Simsim’s reach with culturally tailored educational media for young children and tools for caregivers and teachers to promote understanding, equity, and tolerance across divides."
https://sesameworkshop.org/our-work/middle-east-and-north-africa/

I didn't know this is what my tax dollars were going to. I do not think it is a good use of my tax dollars.

Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?

After we spent trillions completely destroying their country for a baldfaced lie?

We should probably be doing more tbh.

Thanks for bringing this up.:tu

[ChumpDumper]

What misinformation, Chump?

A few fundamental questions for you to answer—if you’re capable of rational thought:

1. Does the President have the power to administer agencies within the executive branch? My answer: Yes. Yours?
2. Does the President have the power to inspect and audit agencies within the executive branch? My answer: Yes. Yours?
3. Does the President have the power to remove all executive branch employees he’s ousted so far? My answer: Yes—and before you embarrass yourself, there are only two exceptions to the President's removal power (see Seila Law v. CFPB), neither of which applies here. Your answer?
4. Does the President have the power to rescind Executive Orders from previous administrations? My answer: Yes, unless Congress codified them into law. Yours?
5. Does the President have the power to hire whomever he chooses for positions not subject to the advice and consent provision of the Constitution? My answer: Yes. Yours?

If you can’t bring yourself to answer Yes to these fundamental facts, then arguing with you is about as productive as debating a parrot trained to screech "Orange Man Bad!"

I waste far too much time sourcing and citing responses to you, only for you to reply with your usual mix of smug deflections and brainless tribal slogans. You never rebut. You never engage. You never discuss. You just sling poo like an enraged zoo monkey whenever faced with facts that don't fit your script.

Your entire rhetorical arsenal consists of mocking sources instead of refuting them, building strawman arguments and torching them like a drunk arsonist, and desperately pivoting to unrelated nonsense, ("but Ivanka got $100 million from daddy").

You're not here to argue in good faith, Chump. You’re here to parrot whatever half-baked partisan talking points you absorbed from your last doomscroll session.

It’s why I turned you off before, and it’s why I’m doing it again. Engaging with you is like debating a malfunctioning chatbot programmed to repeat "Trump bad, Musk evil, LOL your sources" on an infinite loop.

You can't even admit that it’s a good thing the massive corruption, abuse, and mismanagement at USAID is being exposed.
You can't even acknowledge that American hostages have been recovered from Israel and Venezuela.
You can't even recognize that illegal immigration has been almost eliminated in under three weeks.

Because for you, winning the argument matters more than acknowledging reality. And that’s exactly why you sit in this forum, lurking like a miserable, embittered troll, finding validation in tearing down others instead of contributing anything of substance.

I only came back here because a serious illness in my family gave me time to engage again. That’s resolved now, and unlike you, I have better things to do than feed a deluded internet mosquito whose entire personality is built on bad-faith bickering.

So congratulations, Chump—you “won.” You’ve successfully annoyed yet another rational person out of this pathetic echo chamber of a forum. I’ll still drop my takes, but I won’t be wasting another second engaging with you directly. You’re back on the ignore list, where you belong.

Now go ahead—get your last word in. That’s all you have left.

You made up a conspiracy theory that Politico was paid by the government to publish leaks and that the BBC was bought and paid for because of a donation to their charity.

This is shit YOU personally made up.

You can't even see it because it's your natural state.

You want to be agitated by conservative media because you're bored with your own life.

You need a hero for whatever psychological reason and it's daddeh Trump, who will always be perfect and blameless.

You're too ashamed to state your new improved opinion of W after you spent literal decades saying he was going up on Mount Rushmore for his preemptive war in Iraq.

Why should anyone take you seriously when this is the way you are?

You're a bad joke.

[Winehole23]

“The deleted profile associated with [Marko] Elez, who was embedded in the Treasury Department to carry out efficiency measures, advocated repealing the Civil Rights Act and backed a ‘eugenic immigration policy’ in the weeks before President Trump was inaugurated.”


“‘You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity,’ the account wrote on X in September, according to a Wall Street Journal review of archived posts. ‘Normalize Indian hate,’ the account wrote the same month.”

[Winehole23]

can't believe this patriotic tech bro got pushed off the team


“‘Just for the record, I was racist before it was cool,’ [Elez’s X account: @nullllptr] posted in July.

[TSA]

After we spent trillions completely destroying their country for a baldfaced lie?

We should probably be doing more tbh.

Thanks for bringing this up.:tu

Dodge #2

I didn't know this is what my tax dollars were going to. I do not think it is a good use of my tax dollars.

Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?

You have other grants pending awaiting comment. You said we'd need to do this grant by grant, was that a lie? Are you going to keep dodging them?

[ChumpDumper]

Dodge #2

I didn't know this is what my tax dollars were going to. I do not think it is a good use of my tax dollars.

Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?

You have other grants pending awaiting comment. You said we'd need to do this grant by grant, was that a lie? Are you going to keep dodging them?Nah. I've already said all I need to. This covers everything:

There is waste in the federal government and USAID in particular.

USAID functions are now under State and your party is in control of the budget.

Your problem is solved, is it not?

[TSA]

You never know how to not move the goalposts. Sure it's a big deal because it came from USAID and you guys said she never touched it.

Back to the main point:

If USAID is a waste, great I'm fine with getting rid of it. I'm not fine with a radical partisan right wing group being the ones to determine what's waste and what's not.

dO yOu unDerStanDI didn't move any goalposts, you really need to think before you post.

I never said she never touched it and I never said every grant from USAID was a waste. Are you retarded or being purposely disingenuous?

[TSA]

Nah. I've already said all I need to. This covers everything:

There is waste in the federal government and USAID in particular.

USAID functions are now under State and your party is in control of the budget.

Your problem is solved, is it not?

From calling everything bullshit to folding in record time :rollin

[ChumpDumper]

From calling everything bullshit to folding in record time :rollinYour tsunami of bullshit is just that and I explained it to you.

I asked you if your claimed attempt to reform is worth your tsunami of bullshit.

You folded.

It's absolutely worth your tsunami of bullshit. Your tsunami of bullshit is what you actually want.

You want to be outraged about money that's already gone and make lists about things that make you angry like educational programs for kids whose lives we have ruined several times over.

That's fine for you.

[ChumpDumper]

Dodge #2

I didn't know this is what my tax dollars were going to. I do not think it is a good use of my tax dollars.

Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?

You have other grants pending awaiting comment. You said we'd need to do this grant by grant, was that a lie? Are you going to keep dodging them?We would have to do every grant ever made by USAID.

You're free to show me your list from 60+ years.

No cherry picking.

[TSA]

We would have to do every grant ever made by USAID.

You're free to show me your list from 60+ years.

No cherry picking.

Dodge #3

Fold #2

[ChumpDumper]

Dodge #3

Fold #2These are my terms and my rules.

Do you not like when they are dictated to you?

lol

[Winehole23]

Does anyone here know anything about Dave Troy (https://america2.news/americas-future-in-four-maps/)?

I had never heard of him. Troy puts forth a strong version of the theory that the main beneficiary of the Musk/Trump coup is El0n

I instinctively disagree that El0n has taken control of the US government 100%, trump could get rid of him with a handwave and a few words to the right person.

I do wonder in passing whether El0n possesses for himself re: the US government's data. Has anyone even asked him about data retention and so forth related to DOGE?

Being the financial controller and HR of the US government at the same time is an awesome responsibility.

[Winehole23]

Dave Troy sounds kooky as hell to me, but so is what El0n is doing

there's nothing comparable in my living memory

trump 2.0 is the most radical government any of us have ever seen



The OPM takeover raises serious legal and ethical concerns, including but not limited to:

● Violations of the E-Government Act of 2002: This law requires federal agencies to conduct Privacy Impact Assessments before handling sensitive personal information. The unauthorized takeover of federal employee data without oversight constitutes a clear violation.
● Breach of the Hatch Act: Federal employees and contractors are prohibited from engaging in political activities while performing government duties. Reports suggest that Musk’s appointees have been promoting partisan agendas while restructuring OPM.
● Improper Federal Employment Practices: The movement of Musk allies into critical OPM positions, including individuals without proper federal hiring credentials, raises concerns about the Federal Vacancies Reform Act and ethical hiring practices.https://america2.news/content/files/2025/02/Musk-NRx-Memo-February-5-2025.pdf

[Yonivore]

Dave Troy sounds kooky as hell to me, but so is what El0n is doing

there's nothing comparable in my living memory

trump 2.0 is the most radical government any of us have ever seen
I'll agree with you there.

Now, I've got to understand Public Law 107-347 (E-Government Act of 2002) all 72 pages. Are there exceptions to the "privacy impact assessment?" What constitutes "unauthorized takeover?" Thanks for the reading assignment Winehole.

As for violations of the Hatch act, "reports suggest" isn't going to be very convincing.

I'll also have to brush up on the Federal Vacancies Reform Act of 1998 (also long as fuck). What "Musk allies?" What are the "proper federal hiring credentials" mentioned?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Shit, can't anyone in Congress write something shorter than the U. S. Consitution?

[Winehole23]

https://www.404media.co/doge-employees-ordered-to-stop-using-slack-while-agency-transitions-to-a-records-system-not-subject-to-foia/

[Blake]

I didn't move any goalposts, you really need to think before you post.

I never said she never touched it and I never said every grant from USAID was a waste. Are you retarded or being purposely disingenuous?

CD called out Ivanka. Yoni said she never touched it, you high fived him and called CD a liar. It's right here for you to go back and look at, pizza.

[Yonivore]

https://www.404media.co/doge-employees-ordered-to-stop-using-slack-while-agency-transitions-to-a-records-system-not-subject-to-foia/
I saw that in the context of another poster (maybe you) claiming they were trying to avoid FOIA rules.

After reading the article, I don't come away with the same idea. I've only got access to the first couple of paragraphs, the rest is behind a subscription wall. Other than the title suggesting the reason, the only statement I read suggest it is to conform to a general counsel's directive.


“Good morning, everyone! As a reminder, please refrain from using Slack at the moment while our various general counsels figure out the best way to handle the records migration to our new EOP [Executive Office of the President] component,” a message seen by 404 Media reads. “Will update as soon as we have more information!”
...

“I spoke to the DOGE team about Slack. Because of the USDS split from OMB, OMB is asking us to stop generating new slack messages starting now,” the message says. “We expect this to be a temporary pause, and we expect to continue having access to historical Slack material. We may have intermittent access as we go through this system transition so continue to use good data hygiene and backup any critical material. We will keep you updated.

The next paragraph, which disappears behind the subscription wall starts out,


The messages indicate that, under Elon Musk’s leadership, DOGE is actively taking steps to make sure its communications and records are not subject to the Freedom of Information Act, a records transparency law commonly used by journalists and lawyers to hold government accountable. Instead, DOGE is asserting that rather than reporting up through the Office of Management and Budget as the United States Digital Service did for years, it is reporting through the Executive Office of the President and to White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles. Under OMB, it was generally subject to FOIA. Under the White House Chief of Staff, records it creates are generally not subject to FOIA.

If there's more, I'd be interested if it provide any more concrete proof this is the reason for the change other than a bureaucratic change. After all, moving DOGE out from under an agency they're auditing, makes sense.

Instead of supposing the reason, I'd be curious to know why 404 Media didn't just come out and ask. It appears they came across message 404 Media decided to interpret in the most conspiracy way possible.

All that said, I've yet to see an action with which I disagree. The federal government appears to finally be under an administrative bent on bring them to heel, exposing their excesses, and weeding out corruption. I'm for that.

[Blake]

I saw that in the context of another poster (maybe you) claiming they were trying to avoid FOIA rules.

After reading the article, I don't come away with the same idea. I've only got access to the first couple of paragraphs, the rest is behind a subscription wall. Other than the title suggesting the reason, the only statement I read suggest it is to conform to a general counsel's directive.


...


The next paragraph, which disappears behind the subscription wall starts out,



If there's more, I'd be interested if it provide any more concrete proof this is the reason for the change other than a bureaucratic change. After all, moving DOGE out from under an agency they're auditing, makes sense.

Instead of supposing the reason, I'd be curious to know why 404 Media didn't just come out and ask. It appears they came across message 404 Media decided to interpret in the most conspiracy way possible.

All that said, I've yet to see an action with which I disagree. The federal government appears to finally be under an administrative bent on bring them to heel, exposing their excesses, and weeding out corruption. I'm for that.

Lol "yet to see an action which you disagree"
Lol "weeding out corruption"

Trump is the same guy who ripped people off with his Trump University.

You guys are gullible tools.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol acting like DOGE is just going to answer questions about oversight and rules.

Elon is on Twitter. Just ask him yourself!

[Blake]

:lol acting like DOGE is just going to answer questions about oversight and rules.

Is there even any oversight on the DOGE budget? If DOGE was honest they would DOGE themselves.

[ChumpDumper]

Is there even any oversight on the DOGE budget? If DOGE was honest they would DOGE themselves.

tRAnsPaREncY!

[Yonivore]

curious if true, this is from Dave Levitan's social media account, haven't been able to find corroboration online

El0n continues to salt federal agencies with his own cronies
According to everything I've found, Ann Dunkin is still CIO. Her LinkIn says she still there.

Maybe we should track this lady down and ask.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Sam_Brinton.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

According to everything I've found, Ann Dunkin is still CIO. Her LinkIn says she still there.

Maybe we should track this lady down and ask.You're like 3 months our of date.

Sad.

[Yonivore]

This should be enough for every American to want complete transparency in where their tax dollars are going.

Biden Admin Filled Terrorist Coffers With Over $1,300,000,000 Before Trump Took Wrecking Ball To Foreign Aid (https://www.themainewire.com/2025/02/biden-admin-filled-terrorist-coffers-with-over-1300000000-before-trump-took-wrecking-ball-to-foreign-aid/)

You're never going to get me to agree that what is happening to all the agencies that have such huge budgets is wrong. I hope every corrupt bureaucrat is found and fired. Those that aided and abetted terrorist organizations should be tried for treason.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao your link goes to ChatGPT

I'm just going to say you're pimping a source that full of shit again like you did with Politico and the BBC.

[Blake]

This should be enough for every American to want complete transparency in where their tax dollars are going.

Biden Admin Filled Terrorist Coffers With Over $1,300,000,000 Before Trump Took Wrecking Ball To Foreign Aid (https://chatgpt.com/c/67a549d8-c5a4-8013-9d77-402632291235)

You're never going to get me to agree that what is happening to all the agencies that have such huge budgets is wrong. I hope every corrupt bureaucrat is found and fired. Those that aided and abetted terrorist organizations should be tried for treason.

Of course people want transparency. That's what oversight committees are supposed to do. Not a businessman with built in conflicts of interest.

[ChumpDumper]

I want transparency for yoni's ChatGPT request.

This guy will believe anything.

[Blake]

I want transparency for yoni's ChatGPT request.

:lol

[Yonivore]

Fuck it. I'll just go on record saying I hope President Trump issues a preemptive blanket pardon for everyone in the DOGE.

[Winehole23]

Fuck it. I'll just go on record saying I hope President Trump issues a preemptive blanket pardon for everyone in the DOGE.thanks for acknowledging the air of criminality around this

:bobo

[Yonivore]

thanks for acknowledging the air of criminality around this

:bobo
Nah, just the air of lawfare and harassment.

You may have, I don't know, but did you feel this way when Joe Biden pardoned his family and those associated with the J-6 investigations? Except for that Vindman dude. His wife is really steamed.

[Yonivore]

thanks for acknowledging the air of criminality around this

:bobo
Oh, I've been drinking so, I'm liable to give fewer shits than normal.

[SnakeBoy]

In Treasury's basement, fluorescent lights hummed above four young coders. Their screens cast blue light across government-issue desks, illuminating energy drink cans and agency badges. As their algorithms crawled through decades of payment data, one number kept growing: $17 billion in redundant programs. And counting.

"We're in," Akash Bobba messaged the team. "All of it."

Edward Coristine's code had already mapped three subsystems. Luke Farritor's algorithms were tracing payment flows across agencies. Ethan Shaotran's analysis revealed patterns that career officials didn't even know existed. By dawn, they would understand more about Treasury's operations than people who had worked there for decades.

This wasn't a hack. This wasn't a breach. This was authorized disruption.


While career bureaucrats prepared orientation packets and welcome memos, DOGE's team was already deep inside the payment systems. No committees. No approvals. No red tape. Just four coders with unprecedented access and algorithms ready to run.

"The beautiful thing about payment systems," noted a transition official watching their screens, "is that they don't lie. You can spin policy all day long, but money leaves a trail."

That trail led to staggering discoveries. Programs marked as independent revealed coordinated funding streams. Grants labeled as humanitarian aid showed curious detours through complex networks. Black budgets once shrouded in secrecy began to unravel under algorithmic scrutiny.

By 6 AM, Treasury's career officials began arriving for work. They found systems they thought impenetrable already mapped. Networks they believed hidden already exposed. Power structures built over decades revealed in hours.

Their traditional defenses—slow-walking decisions, leaking damaging stories, stonewalling requests—proved useless against an opponent moving faster than their systems could react. By the time they drafted their first memo objecting to this breach, three more systems had already been mapped.


"Pull this thread," a senior official warned, watching patterns emerge across DOGE's screens, "and the whole sweater unravels."

He wasn't wrong. But he misunderstood something crucial: That was exactly the point.

This wasn't just another transition. This wasn't just another reform effort. This was the start of something unprecedented: a revolution powered by preparation, presidential will, and technological precision.

The storm had arrived. And Treasury was just the beginning.

....

https://eko.substack.com/p/override?r=dzrj0&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

[Yonivore]

Dave Troy sounds kooky as hell to me, but so is what El0n is doing

there's nothing comparable in my living memory

trump 2.0 is the most radical government any of us have ever seen


https://america2.news/content/files/2025/02/Musk-NRx-Memo-February-5-2025.pdf
I got lazy and asked ChatGPT:


The E-Government Act of 2002 (Public Law 107-347), specifically Section 208(b) – Privacy Impact Assessments (PIAs), outlines the requirements for conducting PIAs. While the Act itself does not explicitly use the term "waiver," it does include provisions that allow for exceptions or limited disclosures.

Key Provisions Allowing for Exceptions or Waivers:
Section 208(b)(1)(B)(ii)

This section states that PIAs must be made publicly available “to the extent practicable”, except when publication would raise concerns regarding:
National security
Law enforcement sensitivity
Confidentiality protections
This means that while agencies must conduct PIAs, they do not have to disclose them publicly if doing so would compromise security, law enforcement efforts, or other sensitive information.

Section 208(b)(3)(C)

This section allows the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) to issue guidance on PIAs, including any exceptions or modifications to the standard requirements.
Agencies may seek OMB approval for adjustments in how they conduct or disclose PIAs.
OMB Guidance (OMB Memorandum M-03-22, 2003)

While not in the Act itself, OMB M-03-22 provides additional clarity on PIA exemptions, stating that PIAs are not required when:
IT systems do not collect new PII or alter existing collections.
The system is for internal government operations only (not public-facing).
National security, intelligence, or law enforcement concerns apply.
Conclusion:
The E-Government Act requires PIAs but allows for exceptions in cases of national security, law enforcement, or confidentiality concerns under Section 208(b)(1)(B)(ii). Additionally, the OMB has authority under Section 208(b)(3)(C) to grant modifications or exemptions.

I'm not going elaborate on the Hatch Act because well, right now you've only suggested there are improprieties.

I think you're going to have to be more specific about what exactly what are the raised concerns. Neither I nor ChatGPT could figure that one out.

You can ChatGPT it yourself but, the following should just about kill the argument:


The Federal Vacancies Reform Act of 1998 (FVRA) (5 U.S.C. §§ 3345–3349d) governs temporary appointments to executive branch positions that require Senate confirmation (PAS positions).
So, the FVRA doesn't seem applicable to the raised concerns.

[Yonivore]

https://eko.substack.com/p/override?r=dzrj0&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true
Good article, Snake. I think the passage, if true, that is relevant to the overarching discussion in this thread is:


"By Inauguration Day, over 1,000 pre-vetted personnel stood ready—each armed with clear objectives, mapped legal authorities, and direct lines to support networks."
If true, all the caterwauling about Elon Musk and his 22 year-old programmers may be moot.

[Winehole23]

Oh, I've been drinking so, I'm liable to give fewer shits than normal.heard that, thanks for your candor

[SnakeBoy]

Good article, Snake. I think the passage, if true, that is relevant to the overarching discussion in this thread is:


If true, all the caterwauling about Elon Musk and his 22 year-old programmers may be moot.

My preferred passage...

"They never prepared for algorithms that could map everything. For personnel pre-positioned everywhere. For a president who counts every week like it's his last."

[SnakeBoy]

1887710172589760634
1887703208169980007

[Yonivore]

I'm reminded...

https://media.tenor.com/or2ed0IZvY4AAAAe/thecore-rat.png

[Yonivore]

Big Balls vs. USAID

https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExenZmeGp0NHViZ2kxcTQ4ZzlkaHo3OHJ 0bnc4MWhoZXhqZmh3eHlxbiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/FjOsaw9z4BhrW/giphy.gif

[ChumpDumper]

:lol this is what yoni does when he's drunk and alone

[FrostKing]

:lol this is what yoni does when he's drunk and alone
Still pounding that people that disagree with me are racist and/or drunk excusebook?

[Winehole23]

El0n threatening federal judges now


One of the people who received an email from allies of Elon Musk (https://www.newsweek.com/topic/elon-musk) was a federal judge overseeing a lawsuit aimed at blocking these messages.

"I, like probably every other judge in the country, also received the [Office of Personnel Management] email," U.S. District Judge Randolph Daniel Moss said during a hearing related to the lawsuit on Thursday. "I did not respond to it. I suspect it was sent to the judges by mistake."https://www.newsweek.com/doge-emails-went-out-federal-judges-mistake-2027514

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:j2kmiyhld5btzozgzwy3lc2m/bafkreidyv7foqliwpcf4hjls5ommajzre2kdxyy6rbvhgipij nebz3qlz4@jpeg

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:fxtzvs62mg7pgtg4jdgnm5qi/bafkreid74ow6zrpistx6ak6h3guioxno7lx3m7y64rdkruqsa q6d3zx7de@jpeg

[Winehole23]

Senators denied entry to EPA by private security goon

Is there a word for locking the people's representatives out of government buildings?

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:wo5kzzdgqwzizeyvg5bkaswh/bafkreigix6k6co7l6r4nxfba3ay7fppmjgiyxyus6rhro3hfu 6r3wfopnu@jpeg

[Winehole23]

rogues' gallery

The Key Figures Working Alongside Elon Musk at DOGE and in the Trump Administration — ProPublica (https://projects.propublica.org/elon-musk-doge-tracker/)

[Winehole23]

Bessent lied to Congress, he should be impeached
(https://www.wired.com/story/treasury-department-doge-marko-elez-access/)
The US Treasury Claimed DOGE Technologist Didn’t Have ‘Write Access’ When He Actually Did | WIRED (https://www.wired.com/story/treasury-department-doge-marko-elez-access/)

[Winehole23]

anecdotal

El0n fucking up federal transfers could be politically explosive


finally got a tax refund from years ago in the mail yesterday, deposited it, and woke to a message from the bank saying it’s on hold because of “confidential information that it may not be paid”

[Winehole23]

A coalition of 13 states plans to sue the Trump administration over its decision to grant US billionaire Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) access to sensitive federal payment systems containing Americans’ personal data, state attorneys general announced Thursday.


The attorneys general said that granting DOGE access to federal payment systems is "unlawful, unprecedented, and unacceptable," arguing that the department has "no authority" to obtain such information.


“As the richest man in the world, Elon Musk is not used to being told ‘no,’ but in our country, no one is above the law,” the 13 attorneys general said in a statement.


“The President does not have the power to give away our private information to anyone he chooses, and he cannot cut federal payments approved by Congress.”


California, New York, Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Nevada, Rhode Island and Vermont are expected to join the suit.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/13-states-to-sue-trump-administration-over-musk-s-access-to-federal-payment-data/3474565

[Winehole23]

deferred retirement offers hit the NSA, US Air Force, Space Force, National Reconnaissance Office and the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency


Spokespersons for space, defense and intelligence agencies, including NASA, the Department of the Air Force, the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), and the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency (NGA), confirmed their civilian employees received the buyout offer and are complying with OPM guidance.

The NGA, a hybrid defense-intelligence agency with approximately 14,500 employees, provides geospatial intelligence to the U.S. military and allied nations. The NRO, which has a workforce of roughly 3,000 personnel, builds and operates the nation’s spy satellites. The Department of the Air Force employs about 170,000 civilians, including approximately 4,600 supporting the U.S. Space Force. NASA, the premier civilian space agency, employs around 18,000 civil servants, while the FCC, which plays a key regulatory role in commercial space communications, has approximately 1,800 employees.
https://spacenews.com/fork-in-the-road-buyout-offer-reaches-national-security-agencies-despite-exemptions/

[Winehole23]

fucking DHS is blocking members of Congress from entering the Dept of Education

what's the good government rationale for calling NATSEC cops to keep US Reps out of government offices?

[ChumpDumper]

...that she set about getting with the agenda.

Ceased DOJ payments to 220 Sanctuary Cities.
Set up a government "weaponization working group" to investigate:

Politicized Actions by State and Federal Officials agains President Trump.
Prosecutorial abuses related to the January 6th investigation.
DOJ targeting the Catholic Church.
DOJ targeting parents speaking out at school board meetings.
DOJ targeting anti-abortion protesters.


Go get 'em.

Why did Elon target the Catholics?

1887491235109019687

https://x.com/jonallendc/status/1887491235109019687

Is Bondi going to investigate?

[Winehole23]

Krause is going to treat the USG like he used to treat companies when he was a private equity vulture.

The power to spend lies with Congress, Trump's goons shutting off federal transfers at Treasury is not constitutional.


The Treasury Department has installed DOGE ally Tom Krause as fiscal assistant secretary, placing the Musk ally in a powerful position over the nation's +$5 trillion payment networkMusk continues to demand unilateral cessation of paymentshttps://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/07/treasury-doge-payments-musk/

[Winehole23]

the fork in the road memo is a scam

civil servants who get screwed may have no recourse




Employees who accept the offer may be operating on a faulty assumption about their remedy if the Trump Administration does not uphold its end of the bargain. In the private sector, these sorts of claims raise mundane issues of contract law. It goes something like this: An employer and an employee enter a severance agreement. The employee agrees to leave their position in exchange for temporary pay and continued benefits. If the employer refuses to pay the benefits owed to the employee, then the employee may bring a breach of contract claim against the employer.


Courts will not approach a lawsuit that seeks to enforce the terms of the deferred resignation program through the ordinary lens of contract law. Instead, they will be guided by the law that governs estoppel in cases involving federal agencies. To understand whether federal employees have a remedy in such a situation, we need to ask two questions: First, do federal agencies have the legal authority to agree to the payment of a future salary? No. The Anti-Deficiency Act (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/1341) prohibits agencies from obligating funds that have not yet been appropriated. Second, if the agencies lack this authority, can a court still order the federal government to pay the amount owed to the employees based on their misrepresentation of the program’s legality? Probably not. The Supreme Court has refused to recognize estoppel in cases involving federal employees who receive erroneous information about the law surrounding their pay and benefits.

[Winehole23]

Update #3: On the evening of Feb. 6, agencies sent an additional email to employees. The email is notable because it is the first time that agencies have acknowledged the Anti-Deficiency Act. Describing the contract, they write, "The appropriations language specifically responds to litigation under the Anti-Deficiency Act saying that we’re not allowed to make promises about what money Congress will appropriate. However, it is an implied term of every agreement with the government. The government honors its promises, and it will honor this promise." The government seems to be asserting that it has implied authority to enter into contracts. This would make the Anti-Deficiency Act a nullity. The government cannot promise that employees will receive pay because they lack legal authorization to make that promise. The executive branch does not possess an implied power of appropriations.


There is also some language that seems to suggest that the terms of the agreement are not yet final. It states, "For agencies and employees who want more formality, OPM has provided a template contract that agencies can use to memorialize the agreement with eligible employees. Once the deadline has passed, employees who emailed OPM will be contacted individually with further information; at this time, there is no need to send a signed contract to your agency. If you emailed OPM and have not received an acknowledgment, do not fear, acknowledgement is coming" (emphasis in original). Nothing in the prior communications suggested that resignation was subject to agreement of additional terms by the parties. If the agreement were governed by basic contract law, the actual terms of the agreement would be those in place when the employee first accepted the offer. I read this new email as suggesting that the agency will send a "final" version of the contract to all employees after the deadline. Employees who would sign an agreement that has different terms than when they first accepted should be permitted to rescind their resignation.
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/will-employees-who-resign-have-a-remedy

[Winehole23]

without appropriations, Trump/El0n can't fulfill the resignation contract


the memo does not address the underlying problem that appropriations expire on March 14th and, therefore, employees may be forced to resign in the event of a shortfall.

[Winehole23]

Trump police state will prosecute "unethical actions" now?


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:sq4srjwg5noukbywa5stn6ar/bafkreigppxt2mwve7t6rtpa2mtof2prvwtwfrs2yy25bq2sft 2vckcodhe@jpeg

[TSA]

https://x.com/wikileaks/status/1887622445479436594

[Winehole23]

who cares?

pass a fucking law if you don't like it

[SnakeBoy]

Bald security guy FTW

1887885463874044023

[ChumpDumper]

Bald security guy FTW

1887885463874044023

Insurrection?

:lmao Lil bennie

[Blake]

Senators denied entry to EPA by private security goon

Is there a word for locking the people's representatives out of government buildings?

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:wo5kzzdgqwzizeyvg5bkaswh/bafkreigix6k6co7l6r4nxfba3ay7fppmjgiyxyus6rhro3hfu 6r3wfopnu@jpeg

Storming such buildings ok though

[Blake]

https://x.com/wikileaks/status/1887622445479436594

What's the budget for DOGE?

[DarrinS]

Bald security guy FTW

1887885463874044023


They are so fucking weak. :lmao

[Blake]

Trump police state will prosecute "unethical actions" now?


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:sq4srjwg5noukbywa5stn6ar/bafkreigppxt2mwve7t6rtpa2mtof2prvwtwfrs2yy25bq2sft 2vckcodhe@jpeg

Lol the J6ers laughing at the "no one is above the law" in bold there

[SnakeBoy]

They are so fucking weak. :lmao

To think they had brainstorming meetings to come up with this plan

Let's storm the Dept of Education
Great Idea!
Let's Goooooooo!
Bald guy won't let us in :cry
Well back to the drawing board

[Blake]

To think they had brainstorming meetings to come up with this plan

Let's storm the Dept of Education
Great Idea!
Let's Goooooooo!
Bald guy won't let us in :cry
Well back to the drawing board

What should they have done?

[ChumpDumper]

To think they had brainstorming meetings to come up with this plan

Let's storm the Dept of Education
Great Idea!
Let's Goooooooo!
Bald guy won't let us in :cry
Well back to the drawing board

Storm?

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:o4pdps2jkn7uhrdgadni7djk/bafkreiczw5tex3y7m6zf2ehaqvisa2a7mu3y7gqpn24goiq4y dteckofc4@jpeg

https://www.wired.com/story/treasury-bfs-doge-insider-threat/

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:j2kmiyhld5btzozgzwy3lc2m/bafkreifscadv6imfq2aesoa6dcton6akyjvxvc2gemg4uk6dr f5bztj32u@jpeg

[Blake]

Musk’s DOGE team already has gained access to a database housing personal information on millions of students and parents with federal student loans, according to two people with knowledge of the issue. One of them, a department employee, said a DOGE representative requested the access more than a week ago.


The people spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals."........

https://apnews.com/article/education-department-trump-doge-8c5bba3883b3d924b28114a4f291bec4

[Winehole23]

push poll on Musk, someone's worried about his image


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:j2kmiyhld5btzozgzwy3lc2m/bafkreih3ub5wc5camse7cswtv55vq3utkuslkht23cmvl7q2n zobfmzltq@jpeg

[DarrinS]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:o4pdps2jkn7uhrdgadni7djk/bafkreiczw5tex3y7m6zf2ehaqvisa2a7mu3y7gqpn24goiq4y dteckofc4@jpeg

https://www.wired.com/story/treasury-bfs-doge-insider-threat/

LoL



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGl5c7hjqdA

[Blake]

Lol believe the old white guy youtube

[ChumpDumper]

What could possibly go wrong?

1887959133065998458

https://x.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1887959133065998458

[DarrinS]

Lol believe the old white guy youtube

He's the treasury secretary, dipshit