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Yonivore
02-13-2025, 11:37 AM
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/a-valentine-for-vladimir
Sucks to be them, I guess.

Show me the line, in the legislative appropriations for FEMA's Shelter and Services Program, saying this money was to be spent on a Pakistani-owned 5-star hotel, at twice the daily rate, for illegal aliens.

Once again, you and the Bulwark, apparently, are mistaking appropriations with encumbering; funding with spending. Congress may have appropriated a sum of money to be used by FEMA, in the Shelter and Services Program but, it was up to the agency to decide how best to spend the money. There appears to be a disagreement between the incoming and outgoing administrations on how best to spend the money. Frankly, I think it would have been better spent in California, for victims of the fires or, in the States devastated by Hurricane Helene. It's looking like Secretary Noem (not Elon Musk) agrees. It was her decision to claw back the money so it could be put to better use, elsewhere in FEMA's Shelter and Services Program. So, good on her!

Still getting what I voted for!

Blake
02-13-2025, 11:40 AM
:rollin this fucking moron

1889896827513868734

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889896827513868734

:lol fuck seriously, any of you brave Trump tards, please answer how you're okay with this idiot being the one in charge of looking for waste/ abuse.

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 11:40 AM
Still getting what I voted for!that's all that matters

Blake
02-13-2025, 11:41 AM
decontextualizing the public record and lying about it are SOP for the Musk/Trump junta





https://www.highergov.com/contract/FA865018C7886/#overview

https://www.highergov.com/document/hr001117s0050-amendment-02-pdf-a3f775/

BUT IT SAYS REUTERS DECEPTION RIGHT THERE ON THE RECEIPT

Blake
02-13-2025, 11:41 AM
Sucks to be them, I guess.

Show me the line, in the legislative appropriations for FEMA's Shelter and Services Program, saying this money was to be spent on a Pakistani-owned 5-star hotel, at twice the daily rate, for illegal aliens.

Once again, you and the Bulwark, apparently, are mistaking appropriations with encumbering; funding with spending. Congress may have appropriated a sum of money to be used by FEMA, in the Shelter and Services Program but, it was up to the agency to decide how best to spend the money. There appears to be a disagreement between the incoming and outgoing administrations on how best to spend the money. Frankly, I think it would have been better spent in California, for victims of the fires or, in the States devastated by Hurricane Helene. It's looking like Secretary Noem (not Elon Musk) agrees. It was her decision to claw back the money so it could be put to better use, elsewhere in FEMA's Shelter and Services Program. So, good on her!

Still getting what I voted for!

You're ignorant though

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 11:46 AM
Sucks to be them, I guess.

Show me the line, in the legislative appropriations for FEMA's Shelter and Services Program, saying this money was to be spent on a Pakistani-owned 5-star hotel, at twice the daily rate, for illegal aliens.

Once again, you and the Bulwark, apparently, are mistaking appropriations with encumbering; funding with spending. Congress may have appropriated a sum of money to be used by FEMA, in the Shelter and Services Program but, it was up to the agency to decide how best to spend the money. There appears to be a disagreement between the incoming and outgoing administrations on how best to spend the money. Frankly, I think it would have been better spent in California, for victims of the fires or, in the States devastated by Hurricane Helene. It's looking like Secretary Noem (not Elon Musk) agrees. It was her decision to claw back the money so it could be put to better use, elsewhere in FEMA's Shelter and Services Program. So, good on her!

Still getting what I voted for!

Why did you shut the fuck up about the ICA?

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 11:47 AM
:lol fuck seriously, any of you brave Trump tards, please answer how you're okay with this idiot being the one in charge of looking for waste/ abuse.the first lie out of Musk/Trump's mouth becomes lodged in their minds permanently, impervious to all facts and reading

two weeks ago none of these jokers were talking about USAID, now they instantly parrot whatever El0n and Trump say on social media

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 11:50 AM
that's all that matters
For me and the majority of Americans that voted for this. Yes!

Elections have consequences, Winehole.

TSA
02-13-2025, 11:53 AM
y'all got pantsed and are backpedaling while you declare victory

I expect to see plenty more where that came from

You couldn't project any harder if you tried :rollin

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 11:53 AM
the first lie out of Musk/Trump's mouth becomes lodged in their minds permanently, impervious to all facts and reading
This is called projection, Winehole.


two weeks ago none of these jokers were talking about USAID, now they instantly parrot whatever El0n and Trump say on social media
Too weeks ago, we had no idea of the amount of money being filtered through USAID to recipients who I would be surprised if even you approved of.

Incidentally, Slovakia and Greece are interested in knowing who, in their governments and jurisdictions were on the take. I suspect that list will grow, as well.

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 11:53 AM
For me and the majority of Americans that voted for this. Yes!

Elections have consequences, Winehole.It wasn't a majority.

It's amazing how ignorant you are.

TSA
02-13-2025, 11:57 AM
the first lie out of Musk/Trump's mouth becomes lodged in their minds permanently, impervious to all facts and reading

two weeks ago none of these jokers were talking about USAID, now they instantly parrot whatever El0n and Trump say on social media

You constantly spam unverified Bluesky screenshots that blow up in your face you should probably sit this one out :lol

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 12:02 PM
you wish

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 12:05 PM
I post from a wider variety of sources than anyone here

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 12:05 PM
you wish
No, please continue...it's entertaining.

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 12:06 PM
You constantly spam unverified Bluesky screenshots that blow up in your face you should probably sit this one out :lol

Should Elon sit this one out after spamming Gaza and Reuters lies?

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 12:07 PM
No, please continue...it's entertaining.

Why did you not continue to say W is going up on Mount Rushmore?

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 12:10 PM
because Yonivore licks the boots of whichever Republicans are in charge

TSA
02-13-2025, 12:16 PM
I post from a wider variety of sources than anyone here

You post any anti-Trump stuff you can find and don't give a shit if it's true or where it's sourced e.g. The Hopium Chronicles, the Bulwark, Lara Loomer :rollin

TSA
02-13-2025, 12:17 PM
No, please continue...it's entertaining.

It's highly entertaining...especially considering winehole used to be a respectable contributor. Trump broke him.

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 12:20 PM
because Yonivore licks the boots of whichever Republicans are in charge

He seems quite ashamed to talk about him anymore.

Just like TSA with QAnon.

That's the fun thing about them that separates them from the Trump nihilists on this board -- they have to believe. They need a religion and a cosmology.

And deities.

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 12:20 PM
You post any anti-Trump stuff you can find and don't give a shit if it's true or where it's sourced e.g. The Hopium Chronicles, the Bulwark, Lara Loomer :rollinDid Elon give a shit if his Gaza or Reuters shit was true?

His sources were rando tweets.

Is that better?

Blake
02-13-2025, 12:26 PM
You post any anti-Trump stuff you can find and don't give a shit if it's true or where it's sourced e.g. The Hopium Chronicles, the Bulwark, Lara Loomer :rollin

So rich

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 12:37 PM
What do you know, a sensible Democrat.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1890069888200589601

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 12:38 PM
What do you know, a sensible Democrat.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1890069888200589601

Who usually does audits, Yoni?

Blake
02-13-2025, 12:43 PM
Who usually does audits, Yoni?

Tech billionaires. Duh.

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 12:54 PM
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1890065481475961300

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 12:57 PM
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1890064736123011335

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 12:57 PM
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1890065481475961300

Who usually does audits, Yoni?

Blake
02-13-2025, 01:06 PM
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1890064736123011335

You guys love meme responses to serious allegations

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 01:09 PM
Republicans are guilty of waste and fraud too. That’s the whole reason DOGE was formed.Great

Do the audit, issue a report and take it to Congress to suggest any appropriate cuts

Blake
02-13-2025, 01:11 PM
Republicans are guilty of waste and fraud too. That’s the whole reason DOGE was formed.

You're ridiculously gullible

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 01:12 PM
Why not do a real audit?

With real transparency?

Blake
02-13-2025, 01:14 PM
Great

Do the audit, issue a report and take it to Congress to suggest any appropriate cuts

No no we prefer having billionaires with government contracts themselves to make sure everything is on the up and up

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 01:16 PM
You guys love meme responses to serious allegations
What is the serious allegation?

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 01:22 PM
I'm not against a real audit, just sham, politically directed ones like DOGe

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 01:27 PM
:rollin this fucking moron

1890093996074270935

https://x.com/craig239029680/status/1890093996074270935

TSA
02-13-2025, 01:27 PM
Great

Do the audit, issue a report and take it to Congress to suggest any appropriate cuts

:rollin

Blake
02-13-2025, 01:28 PM
What is the serious allegation?

Musk illegally seized those funds

TSA
02-13-2025, 01:29 PM
You're ridiculously gullible

You stanned for Ann Selzer...you should sit this one out :rollin

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 01:29 PM
:rollin

Why is that funny?

Please explain.

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 01:29 PM
You stanned for Ann Selzer...you should sit this one out :rollin

Why are Elon and Trump fucking morons?

Blake
02-13-2025, 01:30 PM
:rollin

That's the proper response for taking it to a tech billionaire with contracts himself to suggest where to cut

Blake
02-13-2025, 01:30 PM
You stanned for Ann Selzer...you should sit this one out :rollin

Oh OK pizza

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 01:31 PM
:rollinwhy is this funny, Congress writes the budget

TSA
02-13-2025, 01:33 PM
Musk illegally seized those funds

You're ridiculously gullible. Musk didn't illegally seize anything.

DOGE identified payments sent illegally from FEMA to NY to house illegal aliens.

The chief of DHS Noem got the payments back.

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 01:33 PM
:rollin

Why are Elon and Trump fucking morons?

1890059886270255195

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1890059886270255195

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 01:34 PM
You're ridiculously gullible. Musk didn't illegally seize anything.

DOGE identified payments sent illegally from FEMA to NY to house illegal aliens.

The chief of DHS Noem got the payments back.

Which law was broken?

TSA
02-13-2025, 01:38 PM
why is this funny, Congress writes the budget

It's funny that you think Congress will just go along with it and say yes these cuts are appropriate.

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 01:39 PM
I'm not against a real audit, just sham, politically directed ones like DOGe
I'm not aware of any DOGE-recommended cuts I'm against.

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 01:40 PM
It's funny that you think Congress will just go along with it and say yes these cuts are appropriate.

Why wouldn't House Republicans -- who will originate all funding bills -- go along with cuts suggested from a real audit?

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 01:41 PM
I'm not aware of any DOGE-recommended cuts I'm against.You thought Bush should be on Mount Rushmore.

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 01:44 PM
I'm not aware of any DOGE-recommended cuts I'm against.a forensic audit tailored to please the head of the organization being audited isn't one

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 01:45 PM
It's funny that you think Congress will just go along with it and say yes these cuts are appropriate.that's the way we've always done it, because Article I

If you want to ditch the US Constitution just say so

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 01:50 PM
a forensic audit tailored to please the head of the organization being audited isn't one
What's been cut you oppose? Who said, and what proof is given, it's being tailored for any other purpose than to identify and eliminate fraud, waste, and abuse?

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 01:50 PM
Jesus, ST Trumptards don't even know middle school civics.

This explains so much.

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 01:52 PM
What's been cut you oppose? Who said, and what proof is given, it's being tailored for any other purpose than to identify and eliminate fraud, waste, and abuse?It's a partisan exercise being done by an unaccountable entity who doesn't have to follow any rules or standard practices and doesn't have to show anyone anything.

Your trust is blind as long as you think you're getting what you want, Rushmore.

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 02:04 PM
Jesus, ST Trumptards don't even know middle school civics.

This explains so much.they're playing dumb

the other day Rep Tom Cole (OK), chairman of the Appropriations Committee, when asked about the Musk/Trump junta nullifying appropriations, pretended he didn't know whether appropriations are laws or not

said he'd have to ask a constitutional lawyer


Appropriations Clause Article I, Section 9, Clause 7
No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.


https://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/4/states

Blake
02-13-2025, 02:08 PM
You're ridiculously gullible. Musk didn't illegally seize anything.

DOGE identified payments sent illegally from FEMA to NY to house illegal aliens.

The chief of DHS Noem got the payments back.

Your reading comprehension really blows. I didn't say it was illegal myself. Yoni asked what the allegation was and I told him because I guess he can't read well either.

Musk did back those funds without any transparent proof to back up his claim.

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 02:09 PM
they're playing dumb

the other day Rep Tom Cole (OK), chairman of the Appropriations Committee, when asked about the Musk/Trump junta nullifying appropriations, pretended he didn't know whether appropriations are laws or not

said he'd have to ask a constitutional lawyer

https://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/4/states
Again, and I'm not speaking to Rep. Cole's acumen on budgets, there is a difference between appropriations and spending. If you want Congress to control every penny, they need to line item every expenditure.

I'm still curious which DOGE-recommended cuts you oppose, Winehole? Or, if you think the audit is politically-motivated and driven, which cuts aren't being recommended that should be?

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 02:10 PM
What's been cut you oppose? Who said, and what proof is given, it's being tailored for any other purpose than to identify and eliminate fraud, waste, and abuse?there hasn't been an audit yet

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 02:11 PM
Again, and I'm not speaking to Rep. Cole's acumen on budgets, there is a difference between appropriations and spending. If you want Congress to control every penny, they need to line item every expenditure.there is not, spending is expressly given to Congress

Rep Cole is not a stupid man, he's just acting like one

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 02:11 PM
Again, and I'm not speaking to Rep. Cole's acumen on budgets, there is a difference between appropriations and spending. If you want Congress to control every penny, they need to line item every expenditure.

I'm still curious which DOGE-recommended cuts you oppose, Winehole? Or, if you think the audit is politically-motivated and driven, which cuts aren't being recommended that should be?It's not really an audit.

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 02:11 PM
there hasn't been an audit yet
You've been paying attention, I trust. Which abuses, frauds, or waste have been identified by DOGE - publicly - do you oppose being rectified?

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 02:13 PM
there is not, spending is expressly given to Congress
Again, I ask you, where did Congress specifically approve the expenditure of a half million dollars to buy subscriptions to Politico and other partisan publications?

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 02:13 PM
You've been paying attention, I trust. Which abuses, frauds, or waste have been identified by DOGE - publicly - do you oppose being rectified?I am in full support of Congress' making a budget.

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 02:13 PM
You've been paying attention, I trust. Which abuses, frauds, or waste have been identified by DOGE - publicly - do you oppose being rectified?I'd like to see a real forensic audit presented to Congress, I don't guess we're going to get one, huh?

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 02:15 PM
Again, I ask you, where did Congress specifically approve the expenditure of a half million dollars to buy subscriptions to Politico and other partisan publications?Do you want Fox News to be banned from being shown at military bases?

And your ignorance of the nature of the Politico subscriptions is duly noted.

This is what I'm talking about -- you want to be outraged. You've been primed to think the absolute worst of everything you're being fed by these gatekeepers.

You're a mark.

This whole Reuters thing is just another example.

Morons.

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 02:17 PM
there is not, spending is expressly given to Congress
Where did Congress appropriate funds to pay for a Politico subscription.

I keep using that example because it's the best demonstration of how wrong you are. Congress appropriates a block of funds for an agency to execute legislative mandates. How and on what they spend the money is up to the agency (Executive Branch) so long as the legislative intent of the appropriations is met.

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 02:18 PM
I'd like to see a real forensic audit presented to Congress, I don't guess we're going to get one, huh?
I think the GAO has done them for the past 20 years, at least, and Congress failed to act on their findings.

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 02:18 PM
Where did Congress appropriate funds to pay for a Politico subscription.

I keep using that example because it's the best demonstration of how wrong you are. Congress appropriates a block of funds for an agency to execute legislative mandates. How and on what they spend the money is up to the agency (Executive Branch) so long as the legislative intent of the appropriations is met.that's what Congressional oversight is for

keep playing dumb for the dummies

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 02:18 PM
Where did Congress appropriate funds to pay for a Politico subscription.

I keep using that example because it's the best demonstration of how wrong you are. Congress appropriates a block of funds for an agency to execute legislative mandates. How and on what they spend the money is up to the agency (Executive Branch) so long as the legislative intent of the appropriations is met.What do you think is in those Politico subscriptions, Rushmore?

z0sa
02-13-2025, 02:18 PM
Again, I ask you, where did Congress specifically approve the expenditure of a half million dollars to buy subscriptions to Politico and other partisan publications?

:lmao a whole half million dollars, that's the extreme fraud you've uncovered?

This is 100% not a real audit. It's a witch-hunt, you know, the kind Co-President Trump complained about without evidence for years?

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 02:19 PM
I think the GAO has done them for the past 20 years, at least, and Congress failed to act on their findings.

Your maximum outrage mind thinks that all payments made in error are lost forever.

This is how they want you to think.

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 02:21 PM
I think the GAO has done them for the past 20 years, at least, and Congress failed to act on their findings.This is factually false, the GAO and agency IGs root out waste and fraud as matter of course, and Congress sometimes acts on the reports. That's our system.

Perhaps not to your personal satisfaction, but that doesn't mean they do and have done nothing

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 02:23 PM
You can't sidestep Congress on cuts/spending because you want to do something really badly, or because passing laws is too tedious and time-consuming

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 02:24 PM
that's what Congressional oversight is for
The Executive isn't allowed to investigate waste, fraud, or abuse over the funds entrusted to it to carry out its functions? I find that hard to believe.

Congressional oversight is for determining whether or not the Executive is faithfully executing the laws they pass...not whether they choose to use #2 pencils or black ink, in order to execute them.

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 02:25 PM
You can't sidestep Congress on cuts/spending because you want to do something really badly, or because passing laws is too tedious and time-consuming

Rushmore abandons laws and the Constitution the second he learns Trump and Elon are not following them.

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 02:25 PM
You can't sidestep Congress on cuts/spending because you want to do something really badly, or because passing laws is too tedious and time-consuming
Again, what specific cuts have been made over which Congress has a direct interest? These are all Executive decisions based around faithfully executing the laws. I would think you (and Congress) would be pleased the Executive is finding ways to carry out the will of Congress for less money.

Blake
02-13-2025, 02:27 PM
that's the way we've always done it, because Article I

If you want to ditch the US Constitution just say so

Yeah but then what about the 2nd amendment

TSA
02-13-2025, 02:28 PM
Your reading comprehension really blows. I didn't say it was illegal myself. Yoni asked what the allegation was and I told him because I guess he can't read well either.

Musk did back those funds without any transparent proof to back up his claim.

Your reading comprehension really blows. Musk didn't seize any funds, the chief of the Department of Homeland Security did, and there was nothing illegal about it.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.rid.58912/gov.uscourts.rid.58912.102.1.pdf

Blake
02-13-2025, 02:28 PM
Again, what specific cuts have been made over which Congress has a direct interest? These are all Executive decisions based around faithfully executing the laws. I would think you (and Congress) would be pleased the Executive is finding ways to carry out the will of Congress for less money.

Lol "carry out the will of Congress"

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 02:29 PM
The Executive isn't allowed to investigate waste, fraud, or abuse over the funds entrusted to it to carry out its functions? I find that hard to believe.I didn't say so, who did?

anyway, isn't that what IGs are for?



Congressional oversight is for determining whether or not the Executive is faithfully executing the laws they pass...not whether they choose to use #2 pencils or black ink, in order to execute them.false

what is the impeachment power?

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 02:30 PM
:lmao a whole half million dollars, that's the extreme fraud you've uncovered?

This is 100% not a real audit. It's a witch-hunt, you know, the kind Co-President Trump complained about without evidence for years?
It's an example. Want a bigger one?

Where did Congress specifically legislate for the Environmental Protection Agency to dumps funds [$10 Billion) to a holdover account (like "throwing gold bars off the Titanic") so that it might escape the spending cuts they expected, under the new administration?

TSA
02-13-2025, 02:30 PM
Again, and I'm not speaking to Rep. Cole's acumen on budgets, there is a difference between appropriations and spending. If you want Congress to control every penny, they need to line item every expenditure.

I'm still curious which DOGE-recommended cuts you oppose, Winehole? Or, if you think the audit is politically-motivated and driven, which cuts aren't being recommended that should be?

He will never answer your questions. He quoted your post, cut your questions out, and only addressed the first part.

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 02:30 PM
Again, what specific cuts have been made over which Congress has a direct interest? These are all Executive decisions based around faithfully executing the laws. I would think you (and Congress) would be pleased the Executive is finding ways to carry out the will of Congress for less money.sacking USAID in masse and canceling the contracts counts

Blake
02-13-2025, 02:30 PM
Your reading comprehension really blows. Musk didn't seize any funds, the chief of the Department of Homeland Security did, and there was nothing illegal about it.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.rid.58912/gov.uscourts.rid.58912.102.1.pdf

Musk flagged it. You're splitting hairs.

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 02:31 PM
keep talking about me, TSA

it makes you look really smart

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 02:32 PM
Musk flagged it. You're splitting hairs.the agency heads report to DOGE and DOGE reports to POTUS

Soviet style party discipline here, it's not hard to figure out what will happen to agency heads that don't play ball

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 02:35 PM
I didn't say so, who did?
You seem to be implying the President has no power to control how appropriations are spent.

Did President Biden violate the Constitution when he halted funding the Congressionally ordered border wall?

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 02:37 PM
You seem to be implying the President has no power to control how appropriations are spent.

Did President Biden violate the Constitution when he halted funding the Congressionally ordered border wall?I don't recall the specifics, can you refresh my memory?

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 02:38 PM
sacking USAID in masse and canceling the contracts counts
USAID was absorbed into the State Department. A 90-day halt on foreign aid was ordered, during which Secretary Rubio issued a waiver to exempt essential humanitarian assistance, including life-saving HIV services under the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR).

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 02:47 PM
I don't recall the specifics, can you refresh my memory?
Google it.

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 02:48 PM
Google it.

Did you google what the Politico subscriptions are, Rushmore?

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 02:54 PM
Google it.OK, I'll just assume you had no point to make

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 03:02 PM
OK, I'll just assume you had no point to make
The point being President Trump isn't the only President to halt or move funds around. And, Biden is far from the only other one to do so.

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 03:06 PM
The point being President Trump isn't the only President to halt or move funds around. And, Biden is far from the only other one to do so.How much of the funds for wall construction didn't get spent and did it go anywhere else?

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 03:17 PM
Google it.
Perhaps using President Potato was a poor choice.

President Obama stopped defending the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), resulting in funds, appropriated by Congress, for that purpose from being spent. (A case of withholding appropriated funds)

President Obama redirected funds the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) to create the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) in 2012. This action blatantly violated the wish of Congress that failed to pass the DREAM Act. (A case of moving funds from one Congressionally appropriated program to one made up out of whole cloth).

President Obama unilaterally delayed the employer mandate in the Affordable Care Act. This included penalties (or taxes, depending on which day you ask John Roberts) which were supposed to generate revenue expected in the ACA.

President Obama delay military aid to Ukraine and ultimately provided aid that was different than that order by Congress. (remember blankets instead of bullets?)

President Obama paused sanctions on Iran, mandated by Congress.

President Obama withheld funds from law enforcement agencies refusing to comply with his immigration policies.

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 03:20 PM
D:lolMA was unconstitutional.

Blake
02-13-2025, 03:25 PM
Google it.

Lazy

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 04:43 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GjsmqZfacAAv8xf?format=jpg&name=medium

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 04:45 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GjsmqZfacAAv8xf?format=jpg&name=medium

Why is Elon's financial disclosure a state secret, Rushmore?

Blake
02-13-2025, 05:00 PM
Why are IRS agents reportedly going to be used for arresting illegal immigrants? Why not appropriate the funds through proper channels?

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 05:36 PM
https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:cak4klqoj3bqgk5rj6b4f5do/bafkreia3pnrwmhcsf7bntreg6sr42ctakceyrot6iy6xyfg3k vr3tnf4ja@jpeg

Blake
02-13-2025, 05:39 PM
https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:cak4klqoj3bqgk5rj6b4f5do/bafkreia3pnrwmhcsf7bntreg6sr42ctakceyrot6iy6xyfg3k vr3tnf4ja@jpeg

HE'S JUST DOING HIS PART TO HELP AMERICA AND IT'S FINANCES. NOTHING SHADY GOING ON.

Blake
02-13-2025, 06:28 PM
"...Elon Musk says he will abandon his $97.4 billion offer to buy the nonprofit behind OpenAI if the ChatGPT maker drops its plan to convert into a for-profit company.

“If OpenAI, Inc.’s Board is prepared to preserve the charity’s mission and stipulate to take the ‘for sale’ sign off its assets by halting its conversion, Musk will withdraw the bid,” lawyers for the billionaire said in a filing to a California court on Wednesday.

“Otherwise, the charity must be compensated by what an arms-length buyer will pay for its assets...."

https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-sam-altman-openai-chatgpt-ai-f024aca265ad8ee9f30b699a0c74066c

Yeah he's just helping America out with it's money because he's just a great guy

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 07:08 PM
https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:cak4klqoj3bqgk5rj6b4f5do/bafkreia3pnrwmhcsf7bntreg6sr42ctakceyrot6iy6xyfg3k vr3tnf4ja@jpeg
One of these things is not like the other. Can you guess which one?

One has started and is running business worth over a Trillion dollars.

https://1000logos.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Elon-Musk-The-Path-in-Companies-and-a-Brief-Story-of-Their-Logos.png

The other is a lying, crooked, incompetent government employee who got rich off the taxpayer.

https://magazine.holycross.edu/sites/default/files/styles/story_square_1x/public/migrated_images/fauci-1.jpg?h=b143230a&itok=5gm0ghA7

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 07:18 PM
"has started" is load bearing, and the load is manure

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 07:20 PM
Tesla, Inc., an electric vehicle manufacturer and clean energy company founded in San Carlos, California in 2003 by American entrepreneurs Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning.

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 07:21 PM
Musk "helped start" but wasn't there at the beginning of Paypal

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 07:23 PM
Musk "helped start" but wasn't there at the beginning of Paypal
So, take the Pay or the Pal off and you still have an impressive list of accomplishments.

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 07:24 PM
So, take the Pay or the Pal off and you still have an impressive list of accomplishments.the resume isn't the man, alas

Yonivore
02-13-2025, 07:25 PM
the resume isn't the man, alas
Okay.

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 07:29 PM
One of these things is not like the other. Can you guess which one?

One has started and is running business worth over a Trillion dollars.

https://1000logos.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Elon-Musk-The-Path-in-Companies-and-a-Brief-Story-of-Their-Logos.png

The other is a lying, crooked, incompetent government employee who got rich off the taxpayer.

https://magazine.holycross.edu/sites/default/files/styles/story_square_1x/public/migrated_images/fauci-1.jpg?h=b143230a&itok=5gm0ghA7

Only one has a financial disclosure that's a state secret.

Which one is that, Rushmore?

Blake
02-13-2025, 07:40 PM
Musk got ridiculously rich off the taxpayer. Why act like he didn't?

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 08:43 PM
US States, suing El0n's theft of US appropriations

there's cognizable harm there


A group of state attorneys general on Thursday sued to halt Elon Musk's efforts to slash federal spending as head of President Donald Trump's new government efficiency agency, escalating the legal fight over the billionaire's influence in the White House.
The lawsuit in Washington, D.C., federal court filed by the attorneys general of New Mexico and 13 other states alleges Trump has given Musk "unchecked legal authority" without authorization from the U.S. Congress.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/judges-consider-barring-musks-doge-team-several-government-agencies-2025-02-13/

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 08:49 PM
Trumplandia continues to speedrun into legal minefields

it will take awhile for them to dissolve the rule of law completely

therefore I expect to see a night of long knives to mow the grass on the right before long

SnakeBoy
02-13-2025, 08:50 PM
lol Status Quo Warriors

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 08:51 PM
lol Status Quo Warriorsngl, I pine for the day of stable government in the USA

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 08:52 PM
your revolution is shitty

you're gonna lose

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 08:54 PM
lol Status Quo Warriors

You're a revolutionary, snacks?

DarrinS
02-13-2025, 08:56 PM
Trump 45
Boogeyman: Putin

Trump 47
Boogeyman: El0n


:lmao

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 08:56 PM
You're a revolutionary, snacks?"A reformer"

DarrinS
02-13-2025, 08:57 PM
ngl, I pine for the day of stable government in the USA

Dead potus + shadow govt

Good times

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 09:02 PM
Dead potus + shadow govt

Good timesthat's pretty vague, are you high?

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 09:03 PM
there's like, nothing obviously topical there

without more information

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 09:03 PM
are you rationing keystrokes, or are you just simple-minded?

DarrinS
02-13-2025, 09:04 PM
ngl, I pine for the day of stable government in the USA

Majority disagreed it was "stable"

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 09:05 PM
Majority disagreed it was "stable"what majority?

DarrinS
02-13-2025, 09:06 PM
what majority?

American voters

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 09:06 PM
trump's 49.8% majority?

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 09:07 PM
1.6% mandate

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 09:08 PM
lol, that doesn't even make sense

a 49.8% plurality for Trump doesn't say anything about stability

DarrinS
02-13-2025, 09:08 PM
Why NYC needs 60M for luxury hotels for migrants


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwLYMPLYbo

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 09:08 PM
keep trying Darrin, someday you might have an actual relatable thought

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 09:09 PM
lol Darrin throwing vids on the wall

no words

he can't

DarrinS
02-13-2025, 09:09 PM
trump's 49.8% majority?


1.6% mandate


lol, that doesn't even make sense

a 49.8% plurality for Trump doesn't say anything about stability

Flailing

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 09:11 PM
Flailingdude, you can't even say what you're trying to say

keep giving up, it suits you

DarrinS
02-13-2025, 09:11 PM
Next 4 years for whinehole (full time)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p46AXCtue9c

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 09:13 PM
Darrin flailing vainly for purchase on words and people: he's not particularly empathetic or observant

Blake
02-13-2025, 09:15 PM
lol Status Quo Warriors

Yeah you guys are putting in the work in tweet/ meme/ YouTube defense mode of your deity

Blake
02-13-2025, 09:23 PM
Trump 45
Boogeyman: Putin

Trump 47
Boogeyman: El0n


:lmao

You don't know what a Boogeyman is.

DarrinS
02-13-2025, 09:30 PM
You don't know what a Boogeyman is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y747ug7GIU

Blake
02-13-2025, 09:32 PM
Oh look a hilarious YouTube. Hey everyone check it out

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 09:35 PM
super creepy

ty, Henry Farrell


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:a3h6mkohqeiu6xl4fnrwuk4t/bafkreifjtuszt7lh53i3vl4oatf2dfij5o77rbhmm3yuoadxm pdlp7gkwy@jpeghttps://www.programmablemutter.com/p/trump-is-weaponizing-financial-payments

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 09:36 PM
The short version. The Trump administration has swiftly graduated from trying to weaponize internal payment systems (the Department of Treasury systems that allow the federal government to pay monies across its different parts, and to the outside world). Now it is trying to weaponize external payments too. It has seized back $80 million that was paid to New York, and is now trying to do the same with $20 billion paid out by the Environment Protection Agency. This is money that was already paid out by the federal government, and is now sitting in other entities’ regular bank accounts. The Trump administration wants to get the banks where the accounts are located (Citibank is the one we know about (https://www.thebulwark.com/p/a-valentine-for-vladimir?open=false#%C2%A7musk-and-the-great-citibank-heist)) [see update from Felix Salmon above] to reverse these payments.


If this happens, it is a massive escalation, potentially weaponizing the entire banking and payments system against organizations that the Trump administration opposes for political reasons.

DarrinS
02-13-2025, 09:54 PM
Did anyone else sign up to house illegal aliens in $700 per night hotel rooms in NYC? Crazy hill for Dems to die on

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 10:20 PM
Did anyone else sign up to house illegal aliens in $700 per night hotel rooms in NYC? Crazy hill for Dems to die ondeflection

DarrinS
02-13-2025, 10:49 PM
1890067352336920725

DarrinS
02-13-2025, 10:50 PM
deflection

Can not defend

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 10:54 PM
Can not defenddefend what?

it's not my job to refute your silly bullshit, you do that so well yourself.

DarrinS
02-13-2025, 10:58 PM
defend what?

it's not my job to refute your silly bullshit, you do that so well yourself.

Its hard to defend housing illegal aliens in $700 per night hotel rooms in NYC

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 11:00 PM
Its hard to defend housing illegal aliens in $700 per night hotel rooms in NYCno it isn't

illegal aliens are human beings and NYC is doing the best it can

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 11:00 PM
you're an asshole for wanting to make them suffer

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 11:02 PM
the USG being able to claw money back from private accounts shouldn't ever happen: it's too susceptible to corruption.

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 11:18 PM
Dead potus + shadow govt

Good times

That's what you voted for.

ducks
02-13-2025, 11:18 PM
Obama created doge
https://x.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1890091158107570262

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 11:19 PM
American voters

You're an idiot.

ducks
02-13-2025, 11:19 PM
you're an asshole for wanting to make them suffer

Your a asshole wanting your fellow Americans to suffer paying taxes for them
Time to put USA first

ducks
02-13-2025, 11:21 PM
no it isn't

illegal aliens are human beings and NYC is doing the best it can

They enter my house illegally they be in a body bag on when they leave

ducks
02-13-2025, 11:22 PM
1890067352336920725

DarrinS
02-13-2025, 11:29 PM
you're an asshole for wanting to make them suffer

We have Americans suffering, who are not being housed in luxury hotels.

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 11:30 PM
1890067352336920725

Dude wants to get paid.

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 11:30 PM
We have Americans suffering, who are not being housed in luxury hotels.

Which ones?

Don't you hate them too, Darrin?

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 11:34 PM
Your a asshole wanting your fellow Americans to suffer paying taxes for them
Time to put USA firstGeneva Convention is a US treaty and law of the land

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 11:34 PM
Refugees and migrants have rights

DarrinS
02-13-2025, 11:44 PM
Refugees and migrants have rights

Americans' rights supersede illegals' rights

Blake
02-13-2025, 11:46 PM
We have Americans suffering, who are not being housed in luxury hotels.

Be real, you don't want to give suffering Americans money either

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 11:48 PM
We have Americans suffering, who are not being housed in luxury hotels.you don't care about other Americans, you want to screw them too

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 11:49 PM
Americans' rights supersede illegals' rightsaccording to you?

not sure why this is a zero sum game, immigrants make us richer and safer

ChumpDumper
02-13-2025, 11:49 PM
Americans' rights supersede illegals' rights

Which ones?

You fucking hate the poors.

Winehole23
02-13-2025, 11:50 PM
why do you have a grudge against immigrants?

DarrinS
02-13-2025, 11:51 PM
Be real, you don't want to give suffering Americans money either


you don't care about other Americans, you want to screw them too

Lol, no. There are Americans suffering in NC and LA.

DarrinS
02-13-2025, 11:52 PM
why do you have a grudge against immigrants?

They aren't Americans?

DarrinS
02-13-2025, 11:57 PM
Americans over illegal immigrants is controversial in 2025? ::lol

ducks
02-14-2025, 12:04 AM
why do you have a grudge against immigrants?

They broke they law and are being rewarded

ChumpDumper
02-14-2025, 12:24 AM
Lol, no. There are Americans suffering in NC and LA.

Is Trump not helping them?

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 12:28 AM
They broke they law and are being rewardedso what?

crossing a border is an administrative violation, not a crime

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 12:38 AM
Americans over illegal immigrants is controversial in 2025? ::lolnot sure why any human being should have to feel superior to any other human being

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 12:39 AM
if not, why not?

ChumpDumper
02-14-2025, 12:50 AM
not sure why any human being should have to feel superior to any other human being
Darrin REALLY needs to.

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 12:55 AM
They aren't Americans?you hold that against people?

Blake
02-14-2025, 01:09 AM
They broke they law and are being rewarded

Oh you mean like Trump

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 02:05 AM
only cost El0n $290 million























....so far

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 02:07 AM
to hack the US Treasury, to take over OPM and the GSA.

to cancel federal contracts and claw back payments already made.

to be an executive-wide political commissar

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 02:08 AM
(until the midterms, allegedly)

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 02:14 AM
lol terminating the powers of Congress in a panic about dirty immigrants

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 02:15 AM
and letting El0n hack the whole of US government

Thread
02-14-2025, 06:30 AM
lol terminating the powers of Congress in a panic about dirty immigrants

The old man understands the importance of owning the con this time after making President and ain't gonna waste nary second porkin' the pooch like he did last time he made President.

Hit 'em with a blitzkrieg.

ducks
02-14-2025, 08:28 AM
TV Dems say 2 things: “nobody voted for this” & everyone hates Elon. They have learned nothing. And they lie. Read ‘em & weep on
@axios
:

“Every AZ swing voter in our focus groups approve of Trump's actions — & most support Musk's efforts to slash government
.” https://x.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/1890380812471701741

ducks
02-14-2025, 08:51 AM
MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow saying President Trump gave Elon Musk a $400 million contract with Tesla, but it was Joe Biden. Did Maddow just open MSNBC up to same massive lawsuits?


https://x.com/4Mischief/status/1890234319723278593

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 09:33 AM
Q: “When Elon Musk met with Prime Minister Modi, did he do so as a CEO, or as a representative of us?”

TRUMP: “I don’t know. I’ll ask him.”https://apnews.com/article/india-us-modi-musk-187301d9afe2c6d0edb0542466c2a589

Yonivore
02-14-2025, 09:36 AM
https://apnews.com/article/india-us-modi-musk-187301d9afe2c6d0edb0542466c2a589
The Troller-in-Chief.

These guys aren't even breaking a sweat.

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 09:40 AM
The Troller-in-Chief.

These guys aren't even breaking a sweat.how weird not to answer honestly

is El0n a shadow Sec'y of State, or is he using his proximity to trump to feather his own nest?

Spurs Homer
02-14-2025, 09:43 AM
https://youtu.be/29CLvC6bY-o?si=kaGL08PvGO37V854

Yonivore
02-14-2025, 09:47 AM
how weird not to answer honestly

is El0n a shadow Sec'y of State, or is he using his proximity to trump to feather his own nest?
Direct answer?

Trump should have probably told them to ask Musk. In the article, Trump indicated he didn't know.


“I would imagine he met, possibly, because you know he’s running a company,” Trump told reporters.

It could be because he's a fan of Modi's.


Musk, who previously called himself a “fan of Modi,”...
The press should ask him. It's not like Musk has been inaccessible to the press.

I suspect he took advantage of being in the same place as Modi to either fanboy or talk business. Why? Is it you or Chump that's always saying, "What's your conspiracy theory?"

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 09:55 AM
DOGE operative with a record of wasting billions in government

Just the sort of person you'd want to loot Medicare



Four and a half years ago, Department of Government Efficiency co-czar Brad Smith (https://projects.propublica.org/elon-musk-doge-tracker/#Brad-Smith) stumbled on a counterintuitive revelation: The most effective way to slash federal health care spending involved drastically raising Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement rates for hospital care.

At the time, Smith was running something called the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation, an obscure off-the-books laboratory created by the Affordable Care Act for experimenting with “alternative payment models”—neoliberal for “larger sums with less accountability.” In its ten years of operation, CMMI had spent more than $10 billion testing various methods of tweaking reimbursement standards in (theoretical) hopes of improving health care outcomes for lower costs. They had worked with UnitedHealth, Aetna, Molina, and other insurers in 13 states to reward primary care physicians who administered more preventative care and collected more specific data on their patients. They’d worked with more than 100 hospitals and mega-practices to bundle payments for complex patients, in hopes of lowering the ultimate cost of treating chronic illnesses. CMMI had spent some $10 billion testing out dozens more schemes, nearly all of which subscribed to an ideology called “value-based care,” in which the central flaw of American health care is “volume-based” fee-for-service compensation schemes that incentivize “overutilization” of the health care system, and so the natural “solution” involves the government paying health care providers and various intermediaries to take steps designed to decrease said “utilization.”


Value-based care grew especially important during the Obama years, because the ACA mandated that insurance companies spend a minimum of 85 percent of patients’ premium dollars on “care,” wiping out profit drivers like the mandatory insurance policies UnitedHealth sold to college students that often boasted medical loss ratios as low as 10 percent. Insurers in turn began to focus their energies around their highest-revenue patients: seniors with a lot of complex health issues who were enrolled in the private Medicare offerings known as Medicare Advantage. They would soon buy up the medical practices, home health agencies, and surgery centers that treated these patients, in a move that enabled them to at once “align incentives” (i.e., control more of the medical decisions they were paying for), park the excess profit margins they weren’t allowed to report on their insurance sides, and find more Medicare patients to convert to MA plans.
Brad Smith was a value-based guy. He’d gotten in on the ground floor of the craze during the first term of the Obama administration, while helming the education reform foundation of former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN), whose billionaire brother Tom Frist founded the hospital behemoth HCA, whose long (https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2003/June/03_civ_386.htm) history of unnecessary overtreatment (https://www.wusf.org/health-news-florida/2022-02-10/nurses-union-accuses-hca-of-unnecessary-hospital-admissions-to-drive-profits) of Medicare patients perhaps ironically gave birth to the value-based revolution. Together, the two had built a home health care business with more than 650 employees that they had just sold for $440 million to health insurer Anthem.

Smith had been working as the chief operating officer of Anthem’s value-based business when he’d been tapped for the CMMI gig by one Adam Boehler, another value-based evangelist who often talked (https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/payer/cmmi-s-adam-boehler-wants-to-blow-up-fee-for-service) about how he wanted to “blow up” the “volume-based” ancien régime. Still, doctors, especially the types of doctors who complained about Obamacare and voted for Trump, hated value-based care, because it required spending way too much money on software and far more hours doing paperwork than the incentive payments could justify. Smith’s boss, Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) head Seema Verma, was value-based skeptical, and wanted to know whether CMMI’s programs were actually working as “intended.” So Smith ordered his staff to conduct a financial analysis of all 54 programs CMMI had bankrolled to test out the new approach to health care.



The verdict was unambiguous: Value-based care was a bust. For two of its biggest programs, CMMI had spent $7 billion more than it had saved, just from compensating all the various intermediaries that had administered the trials. The reasons for this were twofold, say two individuals who worked on value-based care policy for the Obama administration: One, CMMI and CMS invariably outsourced the management of the trials to “venture capital or private equity firms or nonprofits where the CEO is making millions of dollars” that typically alienated and underpaid the clinicians they were ostensibly seeking to incentivize; and two, most of the policymakers involved were too preoccupied with “how they were going to monetize their expertise” to design programs that might actually save CMS money.
https://prospect.org/health/2025-02-14-doge-czars-plan-to-loot-medicare/

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 09:57 AM
Direct answer?

Trump should have probably told them to ask Musk. In the article, Trump indicated he didn't know.



It could be because he's a fan of Modi's.


The press should ask him. It's not like Musk has been inaccessible to the press.

I suspect he took advantage of being in the same place as Modi to either fanboy or talk business. Why? Is it you or Chump that's always saying, "What's your conspiracy theory?"that Trump is a sad sock puppet and other people are running the show now, more or less

not sure he's all there anymore

ChumpDumper
02-14-2025, 10:12 AM
Direct answer?

Trump should have probably told them to ask Musk. In the article, Trump indicated he didn't know.



It could be because he's a fan of Modi's.


The press should ask him. It's not like Musk has been inaccessible to the press.

I suspect he took advantage of being in the same place as Modi to either fanboy or talk business. Why? Is it you or Chump that's always saying, "What's your conspiracy theory?"

Trump doesn't know what he or Elon is doing.

Pretty simple.

Blake
02-14-2025, 10:27 AM
MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow saying President Trump gave Elon Musk a $400 million contract with Tesla, but it was Joe Biden. Did Maddow just open MSNBC up to same massive lawsuits?


https://x.com/4Mischief/status/1890234319723278593

Why is a guy with a $400 million contract the one to look for waste?

Yonivore
02-14-2025, 11:31 AM
Why is a guy with a $400 million contract the one to look for waste?
Because SpaceX can launch a rocket for $92 Million whereas it takes over $2 Billion for NASA to get one off the ground.

Because Tesla is the only EV Manufacturer that no longer owes the Government a dime.

Need I go on?

The man knows efficiency.

ChumpDumper
02-14-2025, 11:33 AM
Because SpaceX can launch a rocket for $92 Million whereas it takes over $2 Billion for NASA to get one off the ground.

Because Tesla is the only EV Manufacturer that no longer owes the Government a dime.

Need I go on?

The man knows efficiency.

Why is his financial disclosure a state secret?

Blake
02-14-2025, 11:38 AM
Because SpaceX can launch a rocket for $92 Million whereas it takes over $2 Billion for NASA to get one off the ground.

Because Tesla is the only EV Manufacturer that no longer owes the Government a dime.

Need I go on?

The man knows efficiency.

Wasting billions on Twitter. Sure go on

Blake
02-14-2025, 11:39 AM
Why is his financial disclosure a state secret?

Will never get answered

ChumpDumper
02-14-2025, 11:42 AM
Because SpaceX can launch a rocket for $92 Million whereas it takes over $2 Billion for NASA to get one off the ground.

Because Tesla is the only EV Manufacturer that no longer owes the Government a dime.

Need I go on?

The man knows efficiency.LVCC visitors disagree.

Yonivore
02-14-2025, 12:14 PM
that Trump is a sad sock puppet and other people are running the show now, more or less

not sure he's all there anymore
There's one man's opinion.

https://x.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1890091158107570262

I came across this interesting X Post that explains how DOGE cannot be touched by Congress. What I find interesting though, is the 2nd to the last paragraph. I knew the US Digital Service was created in the Obama Administration but, never considered why. Makes perfect sense that it would be created as a Deep State "IT back door" to every agency in the federal government. Trump and Musk are simply repurposing a service created by President Obama in order to ferret out the waste, fraud, and corruption in our government.

Look, Winehole, I get that you don't trust Musk or Obama. Keep harping on it, if you must but, know, until you bring some hard receipts that either one of them is out to personally gain from what they're doing, I'm not hearing it. I have no reason t distrust them in this endeavor. In fact, I am delighted by the amount of money being saved though DOGE's recommended cuts and clawbacks. Ferreting the corruption and theft of the Deep State is just going to be a bonus.

Blake
02-14-2025, 12:29 PM
You're simply a toady

Thread
02-14-2025, 12:34 PM
You're simply a toady

Blake mad too.

ChumpDumper
02-14-2025, 12:50 PM
There's one man's opinion.

https://x.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1890091158107570262

I came across this interesting X Post that explains how DOGE cannot be touched by Congress. What I find interesting though, is the 2nd to the last paragraph. I knew the US Digital Service was created in the Obama Administration but, never considered why. Makes perfect sense that it would be created as a Deep State "IT back door" to every agency in the federal government. Trump and Musk are simply repurposing a service created by President Obama in order to ferret out the waste, fraud, and corruption in our government.

Look, Winehole, I get that you don't trust Musk or Obama. Keep harping on it, if you must but, know, until you bring some hard receipts that either one of them is out to personally gain from what they're doing, I'm not hearing it. I have no reason t distrust them in this endeavor. In fact, I am delighted by the amount of money being saved though DOGE's recommended cuts and clawbacks. Ferreting the corruption and theft of the Deep State is just going to be a bonus.

Why is Elon's financial disclosure a state secret?

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02-14-2025, 12:53 PM
Why is Elon's financial disclosure a state secret?

Ya moron, you.

SnakeBoy
02-14-2025, 08:11 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GjwdEcCXoAIMJob.jpg

Blake
02-14-2025, 08:21 PM
I bet old people on Facebook would love that meme

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 08:43 PM
"fire, aim, ready"


The Energy Department is seeking to bring back nuclear energy specialists after abruptly telling hundreds of workers that their jobs were eliminated, according to two people familiar with the matter.

The employees, responsible for designing and maintaining the nation’s cache of nuclear weapons at the National Nuclear Safety Administration, were part of a larger wave of workers dismissed from the Energy Department, drawing alarm from national security experts. Between 300 and 400 NNSA workers were terminated, according to a person familiar with the matter.

https://fortune.com/2025/02/14/doge-firings-nuclear-weapons-specialists-energy-department-layoffs-nnsa-elon-musk/

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 08:43 PM
Those cuts are especially concerning because the positions typically require high-level security clearances and training that can take 18 months or longer, said Jill Hruby, who served as the NNSA administrator during the Biden administration.

“These people are likely never going to come back and work for the government,” Hruby said in a phone interview. “We’ve had a very active program requiring an increase to our staff so the indiscriminate layoffs of people will be really difficult for the coming years.”

ChumpDumper
02-14-2025, 08:54 PM
"fire, aim, ready"

https://fortune.com/2025/02/14/doge-firings-nuclear-weapons-specialists-energy-department-layoffs-nnsa-elon-musk/

Elon is a fucking moron.

DarrinS
02-14-2025, 09:17 PM
Elon is a fucking moron.

You and AOC agree that El0n is dumb


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB9JWd0ifPw

DarrinS
02-14-2025, 09:22 PM
I don't know who is the dumbest person in congress. Its either AOC or that guy who thought Guam might tip over. :lmao

DarrinS
02-14-2025, 09:43 PM
I can appreciate the arguments about conflicts of interest, but if you think El0n is dumb, you're not very credible.

ducks
02-14-2025, 09:47 PM
https://x.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1890539598306332754

Clinton slashing wastefully junk
Why did Blake not bitch about it then?

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 10:14 PM
There's one man's opinion.

https://x.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1890091158107570262

I came across this interesting X Post that explains how DOGE cannot be touched by Congress. What I find interesting though, is the 2nd to the last paragraph. I knew the US Digital Service was created in the Obama Administration but, never considered why. Makes perfect sense that it would be created as a Deep State "IT back door" to every agency in the federal government. Trump and Musk are simply repurposing a service created by President Obama in order to ferret out the waste, fraud, and corruption in our government.

Look, Winehole, I get that you don't trust Musk or Obama. Keep harping on it, if you must but, know, until you bring some hard receipts that either one of them is out to personally gain from what they're doing, I'm not hearing it. I have no reason t distrust them in this endeavor. In fact, I am delighted by the amount of money being saved though DOGE's recommended cuts and clawbacks. Ferreting the corruption and theft of the Deep State is just going to be a bonus.Your superficial rationality might persuade those inclined to agree with you, but your smugness always gives you up in the end.

According El0n Musk any bona fides seems very callow and credulous to me.

Where's the beef? Salaries and compensation for executive branch workers are only ~6% of the budget IIRC

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 10:18 PM
DOGE is more about reducing government capacity and introducing corruption and graft as I see it

ducks
02-14-2025, 10:34 PM
#BREAKING: A federal judge has just sided with Elon Musk and DOGE, REJECTING an effort to block them them from accessing government information systems

This is a HUGE win! ��

DOGE now has the green-light to fully dig into Elizabeth Warren’s CFPB, HHS, and the Department of Labor

https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1890587360842461541

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 10:51 PM
El0n is a donor who got extraordinary access

$290 million worth

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02-14-2025, 10:52 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GjwdEcCXoAIMJob.jpg

The Dumper in drag.

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 10:58 PM
How does it make sense for El0n to audit NASA?

Stipulating of course that he has any expertise at all related to forensic accounting and running financial audits, which I doubt

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02-14-2025, 10:59 PM
DOGE is more about reducing government capacity and introducing corruption and graft as I see it

...I'll just bet you do.

ducks
02-14-2025, 11:06 PM
Sadly, Google hid this. I researched up down and sideways. No results. I went to Yandex, and low and behold here we are

https://x.com/Just_a_yinzer/status/1890593064730743030

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 11:07 PM
so El0n gets to sack NASA and pink-slip its workforce, as a little treat?

how convenient for SpaceX

ducks
02-14-2025, 11:07 PM
How does it make sense for El0n to audit NASA?

Stipulating of course that he has any expertise at all related to forensic accounting and running financial audits, which I doubt

You want big balls to audit it ?

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02-14-2025, 11:10 PM
so El0n gets to sack NASA and pink-slip its workforce, as a little treat?

how convenient for SpaceX

Quit mashin' that panic button, fruitcake.

DarrinS
02-14-2025, 11:12 PM
How does it make sense for El0n to audit NASA?

Stipulating of course that he has any expertise at all related to forensic accounting and running financial audits, which I doubt

Have someone follow him around, I guess. His cost to deliver shit to space are cheap compared to his competitors

He's dumb

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 11:14 PM
https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:sefgphqp2xqwh2hawaixykwz/bafkreihjzyfbg72ngwanm3suu543yvbozlqsgma7q5ccvei4w vxv6hjwvm@jpeg

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:sefgphqp2xqwh2hawaixykwz/bafkreicyxe4luxva5ijciarkft5ttrwi5ugjbobvukb372wri 6bud7ms6m@jpeg

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02-14-2025, 11:15 PM
https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:sefgphqp2xqwh2hawaixykwz/bafkreihjzyfbg72ngwanm3suu543yvbozlqsgma7q5ccvei4w vxv6hjwvm@jpeg

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:sefgphqp2xqwh2hawaixykwz/bafkreicyxe4luxva5ijciarkft5ttrwi5ugjbobvukb372wri 6bud7ms6m@jpeg

Winester, runnin' just as fast as he can,,,at the same time praying the SS stands down AGAIN.

Winester

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 11:17 PM
Have someone follow him around, I guess. His cost to deliver shit to space are cheap compared to his competitors

He's dumbThat's not really a response to what I posted, but I can kind of agree with that last part. El0n is not dumb in the sense of being of subnormal intelligence or something, but it's not like El0n is super smart either and he does say a lot of dumb things.

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 11:17 PM
Quit mashin' that panic button, fruitcake.it's not a panic button, just a plain sight

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 11:21 PM
WE CARE SO MUCH ABOUT ELECTION SECURITY WE ARE SHUTTING IT DOWN COMPLETLY

https://www.wired.com/story/cisa-election-security-freeze-memo/

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02-14-2025, 11:22 PM
it's not a panic button, just a plain sight

Please; you ain't slept in a month come Wednesday.

You figured he'd report for work all timid with a T-time down in Florida the day after being sworn. Instead he's trucking your asses night & day, runnin' ya's ragged and nutty-nuts.

The Father did this, in that Pennsylvania shit hole..."Get up, you!"

God

Winehole23
02-14-2025, 11:51 PM
It’s amazing (https://bsky.app/profile/juddlegum.bsky.social/post/3li6uzirg422k)that one person can run six companies, manage the entire federal bureaucracy, and be model parent to 13 children.

Truly a triumph of time management.

DarrinS
02-15-2025, 12:03 AM
That's not really a response to what I posted, but I can kind of agree with that last part. El0n is not dumb in the sense of being of subnormal intelligence or something, but it's not like El0n is super smart either and he does say a lot of dumb things.

Subnormal intelligence

DarrinS
02-15-2025, 12:04 AM
Ctrl-v Crtl-z rapid fire

Winehole23
02-15-2025, 12:05 AM
Subnormal intelligencewhat about it? I'm not a mind-reader

are you clearing your throat?

Winehole23
02-15-2025, 12:05 AM
Ctrl-v Crtl-z rapid fireI've got u doing it 2

DarrinS
02-15-2025, 12:07 AM
Full-time job that pays nothing and influences zero. Sad

ducks
02-15-2025, 12:08 AM
Sounds like someone is jealous

Winehole23
02-15-2025, 12:09 AM
Please; you ain't slept in a month come Wednesday.

You figured he'd report for work all timid with a T-time down in Florida the day after being sworn. Instead he's trucking your asses night & day, runnin' ya's ragged and nutty-nuts.

The Father did this, in that Pennsylvania shit hole..."Get up, you!"

GodYou're kind to mention the quality of my sleep

I'm more apt to wake up briefly in the middle of the night than I used to be, but since I've gone back to a regular M-F type job I sleep nights soundly.

Winehole23
02-15-2025, 12:10 AM
Full-time job that pays nothing and influences zero. Sadworks for me

insincerity becomes you, you're not a bit sad

DarrinS
02-15-2025, 12:25 AM
works for me

insincerity becomes you, you're not a bit sad

Busted. I'm not sad

Winehole23
02-15-2025, 01:06 AM
https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:t4x2ruk2qmob2b2cx55h4v7r/bafkreibfjb24tl5yoqhumm6xca6xy4ugefomvuwrvln3erums a2gvj4xre@jpeghttps://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musks-job-title-unlisted-2025-2

Winehole23
02-15-2025, 01:07 AM
Yesterday, an amended complaint was filed in Lentini v. DOGE, a case in which the plaintiffs allege that Musk/DOGE have violated the Federal Advisory Committee Act. The plaintiffs claim that Musk, while taking credit for DOGE’s activities, “is not the USDS administrator.”

Winehole23
02-15-2025, 01:13 AM
Musk, the White House Press Office, and Katie Miller, whom Trump has described as a DOGE advisor, didn't respond to inquiries about who leads the USDS. The White House has said Musk is a "special government employee," which means he can work for only 130 days a year. But that's a classification, not a title.