Phoenix Suns expect to part ways with Kevin Durant this offseason. Could the Spurs be a good landing place?

[Pauleta14]

But Pauleta14 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15128) told me Trump was the peace candidate.

I did what now?!?? :lol

Just make stuff up

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/gambo987/status/1936784508017414491?s=46

[Ice009]

https://x.com/gambo987/status/1936784508017414491?s=46

This guy is pretty clued in, isn't he? Darn. Seems very close to happening then. Not going to get anywhere near 200 pages from the looks of it as I thought this is going to drag on a for a while.

[Dejounte]

Unfortunately i’m getting bad vibes that it’s houston

[Uriel]

Miami.

[Ice009]

Oh well, if we miss out, I guess we miss out. So you guys think it's not Spurs if it's getting announced within the next day or so? What makes you say that?

[Dejounte]

Good things never happen to the spurs, that’s why

[Dex]

Oh well, if we miss out, I guess we miss out. So you guys think it's not Spurs if it's getting announced within the next day or so? What makes you say that?

Silver lining will be not having to pay a 38-39 year old Durant $50M+ per

I'd love to see him play next to Wemby but let's not act like it's not without its risks

That being said, if it's not Spurs then I hope he goes out East with Miami.

[Leetonidas]

Good things never happen to the spurs, that’s why

Except winning the 2023 lottery, drafting the ROY at 4, having Fox demand to be traded here, moving up from 8 to 2, etc

Have some faith boys

[baseline bum]

https://x.com/gambo987/status/1936784508017414491?s=46

TOMORROW!

[Degoat]

I kinda hope it’s Houston, feel like they’re more likely to take someone at 10 that the spurs would want at 14 lol

[baseline bum]

Silver lining will be not having to pay a 38-39 year old Durant $50M+ per

I'd love to see him play next to Wemby but let's not act like it's not without its risks

That being said, if it's not Spurs then I hope he goes out East with Miami.

Would be funny to see Houston give Phoenix their picks back

[Ice009]

Good things never happen to the spurs, that’s why

I try not to think about that these days. I feel it's shifted a bit with Victor, but in general, I guess you're right. That's the way it used to be. Even if missing out on this, hopefully it changes more and more with Victor and this current team. It already has recently, and I'm hoping it will continue on with more and more players want to be part of this team the Spurs are building.


Silver lining will be not having to pay a 38-39 year old Durant $50M+ per

Yeah, good way to look at it. As I've always said from the start, I mostly wanted him on the Spurs to teach Victor, didn't really want him as a player that takes over the offense and team. I am guessing if he goes to one of these other teams, that's what they're going to want him for, so they'll likely offer more to get him.

For the Spurs, I just sort of wanted him to be a pressure relief valve as I thought he'd fit good because we don't have a lot of great shooters. This is also dependant on whether or not he's injury free too. Do you guys think his body will hold up as good as Lebron's has at a similar age going forward? Would suck having that money tied up if he's missing time. I still would like to take that chance, though, so I still want the Spurs to try and get him.

[Dejounte]

Y’all need to fix your anti-jinx detectors fr

that’s all im trying to do here lol

[Dex]

Do you guys think his body will hold up as good as Lebron's has at a similar age going forward? Would suck having that money tied up if he's missing time. I still would like to take that chance, though, so I still want the Spurs to try and get him.

Doubt it. LeBron is a freak of nature. Durant has missed significantly more games in his career already and is also post-Achilles.

[Guru of Nothing]

Y’all need to fix your anti-jinx detectors fr

that’s all im trying to do here lol

Not sure a double-reverse jinx is what you want here.

[spursistan]

Would be funny to see Houston give Phoenix their picks back
Houston depleting their assets for KD is the second best scenario from a Spurs perspective. But all signs point to Rockets lowballing as much as we are. What Ishbia doesn't understand is that neither Hou or SA are really desperate for Durant. He is a nice consolidation move for both teams but he isn't drastically changing their fortunes. Rockets would still be in 2-4 seed range and below OKC in pecking order and Spurs would at best go from play-in (7th-8th) to direct playoffs as a 5th-6th seed.

I'm starting to think Miami will swoop in at 11th hour and KD will eventually go along with it.

[SpursFan86]

I think Miami is most likely, and I’m fine with that outcome for the Spurs as it means there will be another team that should 100% be better than ATL for the next year or 2.

Really the only outcome that would suck at this point is if Houston does land him with a lowball offer. If Houston just gives up 10 + Jalen Green it would sting a little.

[Ice009]

I think Miami is most likely, and I’m fine with that outcome for the Spurs as it means there will be another team that should 100% be better than ATL for the next year or 2.

Really the only outcome that would suck at this point is if Houston does land him with a lowball offer. If Houston just gives up 10 + Jalen Green it would sting a little.

Yep. If the Spurs don't get him, Miami would be the next best team as that can help get another team over the Hawks in the standings.

[LeBowen]

Doubt it. LeBron is a freak of nature. Durant has missed significantly more games in his career already and is also post-Achilles.

Played 72 and 65 games with the suns, 37mpg which is just asking for trouble.
If we get him, he'll have the senior citizen load management treatment, probably around 32mpg.

[timtonymanu]

https://i.ibb.co/m57jMpMC/durantsham.png

[Chillen]

It's possible it could be the Spurs that report did say multiple teams Phoenix was working with so perhaps it's a multi team trade with Durant to Spurs and whatever players Spurs trade going elsewhere.

[vy65]

There’s no way they announce it today considering game 7 of the finals is this evening. I’m skeptical it’d be tomorrow either for the same reason.

[Blizzardwizard]

momentum has been trending away from SAS for weeks now tbh. MIA would be a better landing spot than HOU obviously but i still expect the latter at this point.


hope you're all ready for: Golden State Warriors expect to part ways with Jonathan Kuminga this offseason. Could the Spurs be a good landing place?

[CGD]

There’s no way they announce it today considering game 7 of the finals is this evening. I’m skeptical it’d be tomorrow either for the same reason.

Agree with this. They’d be stepping all over their own product.

SUN: Game 7
MON: Gin up the winner
TUES: Durant trade
WED: Day 1 draft
THURS: Day 2 draft (trash but whatever)
FRI: Free Agency pivot

[scott]

I actually think he'd be very good in the lineup. The issue is that the Spurs don't have a great option for two-guard. If Castle or Harper proves to be a good shooter, they make sense. Otherwise, a pure three-and-D player would be golden. Say the Spurs sign NAW

Fox, Alexander-Walker, Sochan, Durant, Wembanyama

Sochan's basically the center in that lineup, and his job would basically be to be Fox's PnR partner, defend the best front-court player and get rebounds. If he's standing on the perimeter waiting for C&S chances, he's not playing his role properly. I think Jeremy has to learn to shoot well to truly winning player, but his size gives him a couple of avenues to survive as the worst shooter on the floor in a way that Harper and Castle don't have. I've love for one of the Steph or Dylan to take that starting SG role, as learning to be a good role-player is really important to their long-term development. But they're going to have to have those percentages up and show some good defense to get that role.

De-prioritizing the reigning ROTY, making he and the #2 draft pick bench players, all so you can make the lineup work for Jeremy Sochan seems pretty sub-optimal to me. Opinions may vary.

[couchman]

Phoenix probably thinks some of these teams bidding on KD have a deal “sweetener” in their pocket but they won’t put it in the table until the very end.
It is in the Suns interests to make the teams think we’ve reached that point.
Today’s report that a deal will happen today or tomorrow could be part of the Duns ongoing propaganda campaign.
If the deal does happen today or tomorrow I don’t expect it to be the Spurs.
My opinion: The Spurs will not improve their offer, but if they throw in a sweetener it will be at the very very end, like Tuesday or maybe even Wednesday.

[spursistan]

Amick has shit all over Shams throughout this process. Good chance Shams gets to the other side of this with a lot of egg on his face as an insider. We need Woj back.
Yep Woj's professionalism is sorely missed here. He has his sources and tentacles in every front office but I have never seen him blatantly carry water for a GM or an owner. He's always filtered spin to a minimum when reporting a story or in a prospective/looming big trade and would only leave details about after it was done.. Shams is coming off like he someone who is being used by Ishbia to irrationally drive up KD's market price which everyone knew was going to be depressed..

[spursistan]

Agree with this. They’d be stepping all over their own product.

SUN: Game 7
MON: Gin up the winner
TUES: Durant trade
WED: Day 1 draft
THURS: Day 2 draft (trash but whatever)
FRI: Free Agency pivot
Yeah, i think it goes down Tuesday late night..

[talkspurs]

I think I am one of the few against us getting durant and fine with him going to Miami or Houston. I see him as hurting us by being used to much and not letting our players develop. Also could get in their ear more about if they are not winning just leave.
Miami as stated should help them win enough to get over ATL.
Houston I think would do the same thing as to us. Would not let the younger ones grow and then when he gets the next contract would take up to much of the cap. Why give up picks for that. We need to get back to team ball again. This is why other countries have been able to beat the US as because they play a team game and our players are all about individual.

[exstatic]

Yep Woj's professionalism is sorely missed here. He has his sources and tentacles in every front office but I have never seen him blatantly carry water for a GM or an owner. He's always filtered spin to a minimum when reporting a story or in a prospective/looming big trade and would only leave details about after it was done.. Shams is coming off like he someone who is being used by Ishbia to irrationally drive up KD's market price which everyone knew was going to be depressed..

Old saying: it’s not called Showfriends, it’s called Showbusiness.

Shams forgot that.

[SpursFan86]

1936826228108931393

KD to Houston per Shams. Green + Brooks + 10 + five SRPs.

[LeBowen]

BREAKING: The Phoenix Suns are trading two-time NBA Finals MVP Kevin Durant to the Houston Rockets for Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, the No. 10 pick in the 2025 draft and five second-round picks, sources tell ESPN.



Aaaaand it's done.
I guess Spurs didn't want to give up Jeremy or #14.

[Jordan Jackson]

I really hope Sochan and Vassell have good seasons. It’s about to get ugly around here :rollin

I suspected it would be Houston - that’s why I question the fit. I still don’t get it.

[scottspurs]

Good we can finally move on lol. Rockets title contenders next season.

[timtonymanu]

I’m staying off the Spurs subreddit. That shit is about to be unbearable. :lol

[BatManu20]

RC_Drunkford get in here and spin this shit :lol

[Mal]

Holy fuck, Rockets paid a lot for Durant

[BatManu20]

1936827217553592828

[LeBowen]

RC_Drunkford (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=53010) get in here and spin this shit :lol

I don't remember anyone taking more Ls in such a short period of time.
Shame because he's a quality member, but I just hate it when people start pretending they have inside sources.

[scottspurs]

To all those that said the holdup was 2nd round picks you had a great read on the situation to be honest. Suns were never goin to get 2 1sts.

[BatManu20]

Holy fuck, Rockets paid a lot for Durant

Meh not really tbh. Jalen Green sucks and Dillon Brooks is replaceable. Losing the 10th pick prob stings a little bit cause they maybe* could've gotten a solid player there, but it's well worth it for a team that's trying to win now, especially if KD signs that extension (which he's expected to).

[timtonymanu]

Thank god we got the 2nd pick, tbh. KD isn’t great at this point but we are still in need of so much talent or at least looking to trim the deadweight on this team. The KD trade would have been a start to achieving both. Friendship crew better show the fuck up next year if our best players remain healthy.

Congrats djohn!

[djohn2oo8]

Holy fuck

[spursistan]

Aaaaand it's done.
I guess Spurs didn't want to give up Jeremy or #14.
Pretty much what i suspected where the sticking point would be. Also think Spurs were cagey about the extension money KD was demanding giving his reliability issues the past two seasons. Not bothered at all we missed out given where this team stands right now

[heyheymymy]

Not sure a double-reverse jinx is what you want here.

Maybe even a double secret double reverse jinx?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/r3LzJzQ3wj4/maxresdefault.jpg

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't remember anyone taking more Ls in such a short period of time.
Shame because he's a quality member, but I just hate it when people start pretending they have inside sources.

well.... he didn't come here. I was right though in that he had the Spurs at the top of his list. Seems like they really didn't want to give up #14

[skin27]

Durant to Rockets

[Mnky]

It's hard to get a read on his reaction tbh. Part of him looks like he wants to air some stuff out, part of him looks upset. Maybe he's upset they released the info when they knew he was scheduled to be live? :lol That's masterwork from the suns office if they timed it on purpose, not gonna lie.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

RC_Drunkford (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=53010) get in here and spin this shit :lol


I don't remember anyone taking more Ls in such a short period of time.
Shame because he's a quality member, but I just hate it when people start pretending they have inside sources.

Don't be so harsh on him, it's clear this is his first rodeo being more invested in NBA stuff. He saw some tweets, read reddit threads and decided he knew better than Shams. It's OK.

[Ice009]

Wow, threw in 5 second round picks plus the 10th pick. Spurs were never going to go up on that offer. Would have looked good in silver & black. Oh well. I hope Jeremy, Devin, Keldon and those guys have a good season, or are traded elsewhere before the season.

[spursistan]

RC_Drunkford (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=53010) get in here and spin this shit :lol
:lmao

[BatManu20]

Durant to Rockets

Lol. You're about 15 posts late but thank you for this update.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Good deal for Rockets.

Shame about Spurs, he would have fit in so nicely.

[Jordan Jackson]

I really hope Sochan and Vassell have good seasons. It’s about to get ugly around here :rollin

I suspected it would be Houston - that’s why I question the fit. I still don’t get it.

[crc2120]

Damn. I really want Vassell gone out of this. If he isn’t hurt he’s putting up too many single digit games for my liking tbh. I hope we can package him with some picks or another player to get someone else…

[LeBowen]

well.... he didn't come here. I was right though in that he had the Spurs at the top of his list. Seems like they really didn't want to give up #14

Oh stop it, you were talking about it as if it was a done deal for weeks.


Btw,
https://streamable.com/lvsdu2

What a world we live in. :lol

[Ice009]

Holy fuck

Congrats. Are you happy with what was given up for him? What's Rockets fan's take on the assets?

[SpursFan86]

I hate to say it but this is a great win for Houston. Getting rid of Jalen Green is probably a positive in and of itself, regardless of who is replacing him. Getting rid of Brooks opens up more minutes for Eason who is a much better player anyways. There will be good prospects on the board at #10 but Houston is in position to make a push and I don’t blame them for opting to go all-in.

Let’s really hope Vassell/Sochan/whoever we pick at 14 turn out to be worth it. Obviously still plenty of opportunities for us to still make moves this offseason so we’ll see what happens.

[Dex]

Rockets forum must have gotten to 100 faster than we did. :cry

[AFBlue]

Rockets forum must have gotten to 100 faster than we did. :cry

But I bet we mixed in more political posts, so joke's on them!

[heyheymymy]

Honestly kinda relieved. I was open to it if it wasn't an overpay and liked the fit and mentorship potential but somehow this feels like a dodged bullet. We still need help though and if they target say Cam Johnson after not landing a KD it's going to feel diminished a bit.

[timtonymanu]

Rockets forum must have gotten to 100 faster than we did. :cry

:lol

[Mal]

Just announce 120M/2 extension so we can put this thread to sleep

[djohn2oo8]

Congrats. Are you happy with what was given up for him? What's Rockets fan's take on the assets?
I’m ecstatic. We kept the other picks from the Suns, got rid of Green, and kept Jabari.

[Mr. Body]

Good get for the rockets. They are a top contender for the next couple of years. This is precisely the player they need in their heavily iso offense. Get rid of a psycho in Brooks and a bad player in Green. Durant can initiate their offense and this actually unlocks a player like Sheppard.

[Mr. Body]

For the Spurs, it was always going to be extremely hard to figure out the touches if Durant came on. It would have buried Harper.

[Spurs9]

Glad we didn't overpay for him, relief tbh

[Light]

The Rockets really got Harden, Westbrook, and now Durant to play for them

[heyheymymy]

I’m ecstatic. We kept the other picks from the Suns, got rid of Green, and kept Jabari.

Glad for you djohn. This really levels up the Rockets, you must be thrilled. Hate to say it but HOU is getting scary lately.

[Ariel]

Aaaaand it's done.
I guess Spurs didn't want to give up Jeremy or #14.
I don't know about that, this is better for Phoenix than a Vassell + Barnes/Keldon + 14/Sochan offer. Houston did well calling the Suns bluff (pretty obvious, though), for Phoenix I don't know that they could have done much better under the circumstances, this will come down to what they flip Jalen Green for. If they can get a decent center and/or 3&D wing for him, it's a good deal. If I were them I'd be calling Brooklyn and trying to work out something around Claxton + Cam Johnson + 26 for Jalen Green + filler + 10

[Chillen]

Obviously the Suns never liked the Spurs offer or it would have happened. They liked the Rockets offer the most.

[Mnky]

That was honestly quite a bit to pay for Durant. Not sure on the fit still. Want to see how him and seg fit. They're both ballers so should mesh well. They'll be a fun team to watch with Durant slowing them down. They were so messy last year.

Really looking forward to the draft now though. 14 is the only thing that isn't a certainty. Addw excitement back to the draft. They also have their assets to move in for another pick as well now.

Could be a fun night.

[emanueldavidginobili]

We landed Wemby over the Rockets, they can have 37 year old KD.

[heyheymymy]

As a Spursfan, #14 is back on the menu!

A little exciting after weeks of not really expecting to keep #14 now the pick is interesting again.

[timtonymanu]

Pretty much what i suspected where the sticking point would be. Also think Spurs were cagey about the extension money KD was demanding giving his reliability issues the past two seasons. Not bothered at all we missed out given where this team stands right now

Like I said in my earlier post, getting Harper helps but I really wish we could offload some of our deadweight players (mostly Vassell.) anyway it’s not like the offseason actually started yet.

[BatManu20]

1936828490768408632

[Spursfanfromafar]

This was always bound to happen. The Rockets always had a better offer than the Spurs (10th pick > 14th pick and Green plus Brooks > Vassell plus Keldon/ Barnes).

The Spurs, IMO, must now focus on getting Cam Johnson by trading away Keldon Johnson and prising out Kristaps Porzingis from a desperate Celtics through trading Barnes out. The Nets can facilitate both these transactions for the 14th pick and retaining its own pick that might have to trade for Keldon, while the Spurs can get the Boston pick while giving up the 38th pick.

Out - Keldon, Barnes (Nets, both), Branham (Celtics)
In - Cam Johnson, Porzingis, Ryan Kalkbrenner as the 27th pick. The Spurs can also try to sign Yabuschele with a portion of the MLE.

Fox, Harper, Wesley
Castle, Vassell
Cam Johnson, Champagnie
Sochan, Yabuschele, Mamu
Wemby, Porzingis, Kalkbrenner

[spursistan]

I hate to say it but this is a great win for Houston. Getting rid of Jalen Green is probably a positive in and of itself, regardless of who is replacing him. Getting rid of Brooks opens up more minutes for Eason who is a much better player anyways. There will be good prospects on the board at #10 but Houston is in position to make a push and I don’t blame them for opting to go all-in.

Let’s really hope Vassell/Sochan/whoever we pick at 14 turn out to be worth it. Obviously still plenty of opportunities for us to still make moves this offseason so we’ll see what happens.
I still think their offer was significantly better than ours:

10 >14
Green (former Nº2 pick) > Vassell
Brooks > Keldon/Barnes/Sochan
5 SRP (most likely higher number than Spurs would be willing to send)

A very logical prize to pay for a second seed starving for scoring punch; not so much for the Spurs..

[timtonymanu]

I’m ecstatic. We kept the other picks from the Suns, got rid of Green, and kept Jabari.

Good for you, not even gonna trash talk here cause your team is legit. Some Spurs fans are being too overconfident for a team that has missed the playoffs this entire decade so far. We still have some work to do and that is making sure our star player can even stay healthy long term.

[Chomag]

I just didn't want to be stuck with a vessel and to a lesser extent Sochan. Oh well, hopefully they get their shit together this season and play wining basketball.

[NickiRasgo]

To be fair if I'm the Suns, I'm taking Green over Vassell so can't blame the Spurs. It's not like the Spurs didn't try too much but at the end of the day, it's still the Suns' choice which was reported that they wanted 2nd Overall Pick or Castle. Surprised they gave Brooks instead of Eason though and I'm glad it's over but would've been better if Durant went to Spurs esp. for Wemby's development and the chance to play with his idol.

[BatManu20]

Highly unlikely but would be hilarious if KD held off on that extension and the Rockets wound up having a disastrous season and he walked to the Spurs in Free Agency next year for free.

[poopbox]

This was always bound to happen. The Rockets always had a better offer than the Spurs (10th pick > 14th pick and Green plus Brooks > Vassell plus Keldon/ Barnes).

The Spurs, IMO, must now focus on getting Cam Johnson by trading away Keldon Johnson and prising out Kristaps Porzingis from a desperate Celtics through trading Barnes out. The Nets can facilitate both these transactions for the 14th pick and retaining its own pick that might have to trade for Keldon, while the Spurs can get the Boston pick while giving up the 38th pick.

Out - Keldon, Barnes (Nets, both), Branham (Celtics)
In - Cam Johnson, Porzingis, Ryan Kalkbrenner as the 27th pick. The Spurs can also try to sign Yabuschele with a portion of the MLE.

Fox, Harper, Wesley
Castle, Vassell
Cam Johnson, Champagnie
Sochan, Yabuschele, Mamu
Wemby, Porzingis, Kalkbrenner

No way to Porzingis. Dude had some weird ass area 51 illness that kept him out last year and when he did play he was ass

[Mugen]

Yeah we weren’t beating that tbh

[manufor3]

I liked the Durant fit on paper but dude is a culture killer and I don't think is what a team gunning for their first playoff appearance in 7 years wants. Unless Giannis comes available, draft Harper, get a Capela type at backup C, and make a Cam Johnson-esque trade and that's the opening of our window.

[Dex]

As a Spursfan, #14 is back on the menu!

A little exciting after weeks of not really expecting to keep #14 now the pick is interesting again.

SpursTalk gonna lose its shit when we pick another guard at 14.

[Spurs Brazil]

I hope the Spurs can trade Johnson + 14 on Draft Night for a player that can help.

[Leetonidas]

What a cock tease

[Dex]

What a cock tease

At least he mentioned us :cry

[Chomag]

Will this change the trajectory for the Spurs pushing it next season or will they make it another season of development?

[LeBowen]

Watch the Suns trade away that #10 to get rid of Beal. :lol


Shams: Heat wouldn't include Jaime Jaquez Jr., Nikola Jovic, Haywood Highsmith, No. 20 pick or other draft assets in deal for Kevin Durant.

:lmao Sons :lmao

[heyheymymy]

also fuck phoenix

[timtonymanu]

Shows you how shit Assell is when he’s outbidded by Jalen Green lol

[SpursFan86]

I still think their offer was significantly better than ours:

10 >14
Green (former Nº2 pick) > Vassell
Brooks > Keldon/Barnes/Sochan
5 SRP (most likely higher number than Spurs would be willing to send)

A very logical prize to pay for a second seed starving for scoring punch; not so much for the Spurs..

I agree - I think in order for us to make up the gap of 10/Green vs. 14/Vassell we would’ve almost had to include another FRP and/or potentially valuable piece like Sochan. I don’t blame SA for not wanting to do that, but just sucks to see my least favorite team in the league land KD for relatively little.

[vy65]

Terrible news for the Spurs. For those thinking that KD would stunt development, the friendship crew will do the same. An in-division rival got considerably better while we remain the same (but with two new rookies coming in). OKC's nucleus now has finals experience, Houston has playoff experience and is adding an elite player who's a two-time champion (while also keeping PHX's future). Dallas is adding Flagg. What does the playoff picture look like?

Top 6
OKC
HOU
MIN
DEN
LAC
LAL/DAL (assuming health)

Play in
SAS
LAL/DAL
GSW
MEM

Could easily see a scenario where the Spurs get the 9th seed and get bounced from the play in tournament.

[spursistan]

Like I said in my earlier post, getting Harper helps but I really wish we could offload some of our deadweight players (mostly Vassell.) anyway it’s not like the offseason actually started yet.
Hope he doesn't think his ass was saved after :lol. Banes brought 5 FRPs (factoring the bad contracts taken, let's say 3 unprotected FRPs), surely Spurs can still get a good FRP for him. Will be interesting too see where we go from him. Our offseason should not just be 'draft Harper and run it back'..

[Chillen]

This is going to be a bad deal for Rockets. Dude did not look happy that he was traded there. I think he really wants the Spurs.

[Chillen]

Watch the Suns trade away that #10 to get rid of Beal. :lol



:lmao Sons :lmao

That's not a bad idea for them, seriously.

[djohn2oo8]

This is going to be a bad deal for Rockets. Dude did not look happy that he was traded there. I think he really wants the Spurs.
He went to where he wanted to go. He killed the Minny deal.

[heyheymymy]

So much for not taking the limelight away from G7 by announcing a KD trade

[CorrectCrusader]

I'm lowkey glad Dillon Brooks is off the rockets, he always gave us problems

[BatManu20]

Watch the Suns trade away that #10 to get rid of Beal. :lol

Shams: Heat wouldn't include Jaime Jaquez Jr., Nikola Jovic, Haywood Highsmith, No. 20 pick or other draft assets in deal for Kevin Durant.

:lmao Sons :lmao

Does that say Haywood Highsmith lmfao

[LeBowen]

Does that say Highwood Highsmith lmfao

Riley was making an offer just for the sake of seeing if they're completely retarded. :lmao

[benefactor]

It would have been nice but its good they didn't overpay. Hopefully they continue to be opportunistic with moves to improve the roster

[BatManu20]

Sounds like PHX may hold onto Jalen Green after all.

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[vy65]

It would have been nice but its good they didn't overpay. Hopefully they continue to be opportunistic with moves to improve the roster

Eh, this is a double bad event. Not only do we miss out on KD, but the commitment to the friendship crew remains. It's not just missing out on the player, it's the shit that we're still keeping together.

[Ice009]

Phoenix screwed up trading him there while the Rockets also have their draft picks. They should have at least demanded one of those back and not the 10th pick. Pheonix are likely to suck (unless they somehow get an amazing pick at number 10) as evidenced by the 3-17 record without Durant to end the season.

On the surface, the trade was OK, but the fact that the Rockets have control of their draft picks and they now also gave them Durant, that just helps the Rockets' future more as I don't see the Suns being a good team without Durant. I am curious what the other offers were, though, especially from the Spurs. Maybe they didn't have a choice if the Spurs didn't offer anything up.

[LeBowen]

Sounds like PHX may hold onto Jalen Green after all.

1936836597481140550

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Green/Booker/Allen/Brooks will be the most punchable lineup in league history. :lol

[exstatic]

This was always bound to happen. The Rockets always had a better offer than the Spurs (10th pick > 14th pick and Green plus Brooks > Vassell plus Keldon/ Barnes).

The Spurs, IMO, must now focus on getting Cam Johnson by trading away Keldon Johnson and prising out Kristaps Porzingis from a desperate Celtics through trading Barnes out. The Nets can facilitate both these transactions for the 14th pick and retaining its own pick that might have to trade for Keldon, while the Spurs can get the Boston pick while giving up the 38th pick.

Out - Keldon, Barnes (Nets, both), Branham (Celtics)
In - Cam Johnson, Porzingis, Ryan Kalkbrenner as the 27th pick. The Spurs can also try to sign Yabuschele with a portion of the MLE.

Fox, Harper, Wesley
Castle, Vassell
Cam Johnson, Champagnie
Sochan, Yabuschele, Mamu
Wemby, Porzingis, Kalkbrenner

Porzingod allegedly has long covid,which is why his game fell off a cliff last year. He may not fully recover for years, and maybe never. If he were healthy, and they were just trying to get off his salary, I’d be all over this. Hard nope from me.

[timtonymanu]

Sounds like PHX may hold onto Jalen Green after all.

1936836597481140550

Booker is gonna get the fuck out of there as soon as he can.

[Leetonidas]

Supposedly trade cannot be finalized until July 6th

[Mr. Body]

Terrible news for the Spurs. For those thinking that KD would stunt development, the friendship crew will do the same. An in-division rival got considerably better while we remain the same (but with two new rookies coming in). OKC's nucleus now has finals experience, Houston has playoff experience and is adding an elite player who's a two-time champion (while also keeping PHX's future). Dallas is adding Flagg. What does the playoff picture look like?

Top 6
OKC
HOU
MIN
DEN
LAC
LAL/DAL (assuming health)

Play in
SAS
LAL/DAL
GSW
MEM

Could easily see a scenario where the Spurs get the 9th seed and get bounced from the play in tournament.

Eh. The Spurs were a play-in team before Wemby went down.

Next year, if Wembanyama stays healthy, they're probably a straight-up playoff team. Fox with his fixed hand. I don't think people realize how good Harper is going to be.

[vy65]

Eh. The Spurs were a play-in team before Wemby went down.

Next year, if Wembanyama stays healthy, they're probably a straight-up playoff team. Fox with his fixed hand. I don't think people realize how good Harper is going to be.

I don't disagree with much of that - but - you're underestimating the remainder of the conference.

[Pauleta14]

Disappointed we didn't get KD but even more at the idea that Sochan will be in the roster next season

It was my last hope smh

[Ice009]

Booker is gonna get the fuck out of there as soon as he can.

Devin Booker said he's not someone that wants to jump to another team. Said that no team will appreciate you as much as the team that drafted you and he'd rather stay with the Suns. Now, that can all change, but I remember reading him saying something like that a month or two ago.

[heyheymymy]

SpursTalk gonna lose its shit when we pick another guard at 14.

SA will pick the player SpursTalk wants, everyone will celebrate for 1 min until the Shams bomb that SA traded the guy to MIN for a future first in the afterlife

[LakerHater]

Well, Durant forced his way to where he wanted to be!

[timtonymanu]

I don't disagree with much of that - but - you're underestimating the remainder of the conference.

Yeah like you said earlier, my main concern is the shit we’re keeping together. We’re paying Vassell that much again just for him to take a backseat to four other guys better than him? We’re wasting another season of hoping the friendship crew are winning players? I just hope I’m overreacting and they’re aggressively trying to move one of Vassell or Keldon once the offseaon truly begins.

[timtonymanu]

Devin Booker said he's not someone that wants to jump to another team. Said that no team will appreciate you as much as the team that drafted you and he'd rather stay with the Suns. Now, that can all change, but I remember reading him saying something like that a month or two ago.

Damian lillard said the same thing about the Blazers. Losing kills and Booker is just gonna rot in Phoenix. Unless he likes being paid to lose games and being the “man” in low pressure situations cause that’s what’s gonna happen.

[spursistan]

Also, there is no way to spin this anymore: Rockets officially whiffed on a Second overall in the draft. That's a huge setback if want to build a contender. Sengun only softened the blow for their 2021 draft..

[exstatic]

SA will pick the player SpursTalk wants, everyone will celebrate for 1 min until the Shams bomb that SA traded the guy to MIN for a future first in the afterlife

There is no such thing.

[NickiRasgo]

Phoenix screwed up trading him there while the Rockets also have their draft picks. They should have at least demanded one of those back and not the 10th pick. Pheonix are likely to suck (unless they somehow get an amazing pick at number 10) as evidenced by the 3-17 record without Durant to end the season.

On the surface, the trade was OK, but the fact that the Rockets have control of their draft picks and they now also gave them Durant, that just helps the Rockets' future more as I don't see the Suns being a good team without Durant. I am curious what the other offers were, though, from the Spurs. Maybe they didn't have a choice if the Spurs didn't offer anything up.

Suns screwed up either way. Rockets are firm that they won't trade any of Suns' future FRP back to the Suns. Suns doesn't have any leverage here and it's the best deal they can get - Green, Brooks 10th >>> Vassell, Barnes/Johnson, 14th.

The Suns plan is not to be totally bad and with the Rockets deal, they can actually be a 9th/10th seeded team - of course with some retool. Green alone can net them at least 1 FRP and Vassell won't.

[Dancelot]

The Rockets now officially have had every player that was part of the big 3 (and Adams) from the 2010s thunder.

[exstatic]

Phoenix screwed up trading him there while the Rockets also have their draft picks. They should have at least demanded one of those back and not the 10th pick. Pheonix are likely to suck (unless they somehow get an amazing pick at number 10) as evidenced by the 3-17 record without Durant to end the season.

On the surface, the trade was OK, but the fact that the Rockets have control of their draft picks and they now also gave them Durant, that just helps the Rockets' future more as I don't see the Suns being a good team without Durant. I am curious what the other offers were, though, especially from the Spurs. Maybe they didn't have a choice if the Spurs didn't offer anything up.

The #10 pick this year is the first of those Phoenix picks, so they did get one back.

[Jordan Jackson]

Will this change the trajectory for the Spurs pushing it next season or will they make it another season of development?

Development. Go look at Don Harris tweet. Front office have him out there preaching patience and timelines.

[cd98]

Rockets robbed them blind (not unlike Scola) and I'm sure Durant will be good on the Rockets. That said, while I'm sure Durant would have been good on the Spurs, I don't think that was the move they should ultimately make to tie up their cap space as I don't think he makes them a title contender. I'm glad they are keeping the 14th pick and maybe they move up.

[Mal]

Watch the Suns trade away that #10 to get rid of Beal. :lol


They are not getting out of Beal deal, 10th is not moving a needle

[Mugen]

Objectively a great trade for the Rockets tbh, though I think they’ll miss Brooks in some matchups.

i don’t think this puts them ahead of OKC but maybe their young guys take significant leaps next year.

[SpursFan86]

Also, there is no way to spin this anymore: Rockets officially whiffed on a Second overall in the draft. That's a huge setback if want to build a contender. Sengun only softened the blow for their 2021 draft..

Sure, but they’re still in a great spot. Great young core with Sengun/Amen/Jabari/Eason/Sheppard, still plenty of future draft capital, very solid young coach, and no long-term contracts that appear to be awful. Obviously you’d rather not whiff on a 2nd pick but I doubt their FO or fanbase is too upset at the moment.

[Mugen]

I’m almost positive that Devin was never on the table which is concerning tbh.

[LeBowen]

They are not getting out of Beal deal, 10th is not moving a needle

#10+Beal for Rozier/Robinson/Anderson.

Heat effectively takes on extra year of awful money for a #10 pick, that wouldn't be bad for them.
And Beal would probably waive his NTC for Miami.

[Jordan Jackson]

Eh, this is a double bad event. Not only do we miss out on KD, but the commitment to the friendship crew remains. It's not just missing out on the player, it's the shit that we're still keeping together.

I think they are trying to move those guys - but you can’t force teams to take them. And you shouldn’t just dump them. You still need to try and get something that fits the roster better. My guess is Sochan is probably safe for now.

[LeBowen]

Objectively a great trade for the Rockets tbh, though I think they’ll miss Brooks in some matchups.

i don’t think this puts them ahead of OKC but maybe their young guys take significant leaps next year.

I feel like they're not done.
They'll probably try to upgrade FVV.

[scott]

This was fun. Let's put this energy into a Santi Aldama S&T.

[td4mvp2k]

so glad wright didnt fold for that diva

[timtonymanu]

I think they are trying to move those guys - but you can’t force teams to take them. And you shouldn’t just dump them. You still need to try and get something that fits the roster better. My guess is Sochan is probably safe for now.

I’m fine with keeping Sochan but will probably regret that when he gets a possible overpaid extension. Vassell and Keldon should have been gone yesteryear though.

[Trainwreck2100]

Watch the Suns trade away that #10 to get rid of Beal. :lol



:lmao Sons :lmao
they can't, beal has a NTC

[heyheymymy]

There is Santi Aldama to the Spurs buzz

[LeBowen]

they can't, beal has a NTC

I'm sure he'd accept destinations like Miami or Brooklyn.

[Mal]

#10+Beal for Rozier/Robinson/Anderson.

Heat effectively takes on extra year of awful money for a #10 pick, that wouldn't be bad for them.
And Beal would probably waive his NTC for Miami.

Riley is not taking another diva, after he run Jimmy out of town

[Spursfanfromafar]

Porzingod allegedly has long covid,which is why his game fell off a cliff last year. He may not fully recover for years, and maybe never. If he were healthy, and they were just trying to get off his salary, I’d be all over this. Hard nope from me.

Allegedly. There is no credible report that says that he is suffering from Long Covid.

Officially, he was suffering from post-viral syndrome. Treatment mostly means long rest, which is what a long offseason is supposed to provide to an athlete. In any case, a trade like this would always mean taking physicals and checking if he has recovered. The Spurs' due diligence can establish if he has recovered or not.

[Mr. Body]

Durant is exactly what the Rockets needed. For the Spurs he would have been very good, but made things awkward.

More to the point, Durant is 37, yeah? And wants his extension. I'd bet that he falls off before that third year. I'm not sure when he falls off, but it can happen pretty suddenly. It usually does. So, maybe they get a good first year out of him, they'll hope a good second year. They may be paying $150 million for a single year, or two years.

We'll see. But they paid not a ton for the chances, and they're in that position. But there are costs. This is not a young man in basketball terms.

[spursistan]

Objectively a great trade for the Rockets tbh, though I think they’ll miss Brooks in some matchups.

i don’t think this puts them ahead of OKC but maybe their young guys take significant leaps next year.
He's often bothered Wemby,tbh. He's kinda annoying fake tough guy but he definitely brings some useful scrappiness to every team he plays for. The Grizz lost some edge when he left..

[scott]

There is Santi Aldama to the Spurs buzz

My man

[talkspurs]

Of your top 6 I would say OKC, Min and Den are the best ones to get in. Probably LAL after that and then the others are depending on how the record shakes out.

[heyheymymy]

My man

ready for another 100 pages of nonsense, y'all :wakeup

[spursistan]

Really really curious about the pu pu platter was dangling for PHX :lol..Got to think Wesley & Branham were thrown in there

[timtonymanu]

I’m almost positive that Devin was never on the table which is concerning tbh.

I don’t see it that way. Rather, both he and Keldon have such shit trade value that no one will take them without some additional compensation .

[DPG21920]

Good deal for Rockets.

Shame about Spurs, he would have fit in so nicely.

Is that trade legal even after July 6th?

[SpursFan86]

Really really curious about the pu pu platter was dangling for PHX :lol..Got to think Wesley & Branham were thrown in there

Keldon + Barnes + Branham + Wesley + seven SRPs :lmao

[Mr. Body]

Sounds like MIA nor SAS were including a first round pick. Rockets have too many young players as it is and might have bailed on this year's pick anyway.

[heyheymymy]

Agree with the KD fall off concerns. I liked the idea if it wasn't an overpay bc KD as a cherry on top works but if you give up too much core to instead hand reins to a 37 year old it's a heck of a gamble.

KD as a bonus to come in and push you over the top while keeping most the main future promise guys was the only way I was cool with it. Couldn't reconcile sending spare parts and PHX saving face with such a return so no trade occurred.

[Blizzardwizard]

can't wait for this thread and Gutless Worms to get bumped when he drops 30 PTS/10 REB/5 AST on us at toyota center in january


part one is complete

[LeBowen]

I don’t see it that way. Rather, both he and Keldon have such shit trade value that no one will take them without some additional compensation .

Keldon's contract isn't that bad, just two years left, $17.5M per.
Not a positive asset, but we wouldn't need to attach anything to move him.

If Devin is staying, he better get his shit together because if he has another bad season he goes into negative asset territory.

[thOOdee]

Great spurs didn’t overpay. Plus for those saying the 14 gets kicked down the road, i think aren’t reading the situation deeply enough. Spurs are banking on youth to get to the next level by not providing a stronger package for the perfect vet in durant. And development time is running out. there is no way spurs continue riding with all of dv, kj, sochan, wesley and brahnam.so unless NO is gifting tm iii for the 14th, mark the spurs probably getting essengue at the 14th.

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/jeremysochan/status/1936848124884259168?s=46

Anyone know what he could mean with this gif?

[spursistan]

Keldon + Barnes + Branham + Wesley + seven SRPs :lmao
Which explains Spurs losing steam and not featuring as a "finalist" team. It was a massive lowball bordering on disrespectful. I'm pretty sure Minny/Toronto had better offer than us, but KD wouldn't commit to extend there.
https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1936828070276550711

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Is that trade legal even after July 6th?

Should be after some cap maneuvering. Rockets should definitely be under the first apron for one. They'll probably decline FVV's option and restructure his contract.

I still would expect a third team to eventually be pulled in, some contracts added here and there, etc.

[Ice009]

Which explains Spurs losing steam and not featuring as a "finalist" team. It was a massive lowball bordering on disrespectful. I'm pretty sure Minny/Toronto had better offer than us, but KD wouldn't commit to extend there.
https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1936828070276550711

Wow, Spurs weren't even a finalist. Must mean their offer was total garbage. lol.

[Mugen]

Barnes + Filler + 14 should be enough to get back a starter tbh. I hope they’re still actively combing the market.

[Ice009]

Should be after some cap maneuvering. Rockets should definitely be under the first apron for one. They'll probably decline FVV's option and restructure his contract.

I still would expect a third team to eventually be pulled in, some contracts added here and there, etc.

F#ck FVV. Wasn't he the guy in the Raptors Championship celebration video with Kawhi yelling "F#ck Pop"? I hope he gets kicked to the F@cking curb.

[$pursDynasty]

Great spurs didn’t overpay. Plus for those saying the 14 gets kicked down the road, i think aren’t reading the situation deeply enough. Spurs are banking on youth to get to the next level by not providing a stronger package for the perfect vet in durant. And development time is running out. there is no way spurs continue riding with all of dv, kj, sochan, wesley and brahnam.so unless NO is gifting tm iii for the 14th, mark the spurs probably getting essengue at the 14th.

A TMIII and Herb Jones for #14 & a couple of 2nd round picks would be nice.

[DPG21920]

Should be after some cap maneuvering. Rockets should definitely be under the first apron for one. They'll probably decline FVV's option and restructure his contract.

I still would expect a third team to eventually be pulled in, some contracts added here and there, etc.

But what about PHX side? I thought they could not take in more than they gave out (and cannot aggregate to send money to a third team)? Brooks + Jalen money > KD’s

[Bruno]

Good news. Spurs weren't really at a stage were giving up true assets for a 37 years old player made sense. They should suround the Fox/Harper/Castle/Wembanyama core with the right role players. I also wouldn't be surprised if Spurs' FO think that Vassell and Sochan belong to that right role player crew.

[benefactor]

Eh, this is a double bad event. Not only do we miss out on KD, but the commitment to the friendship crew remains. It's not just missing out on the player, it's the shit that we're still keeping together.
Houston had the better offer. Let Wright continue to cook. We don't have to pass judgment quite yet. Believe me...I'll be at the front of the line when it's time to

[RC_Drunkford]

RC_Drunkford (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=53010) get in here and spin this shit :lol

time to change my avatar :lol

[Mr. Body]

Wow, Spurs weren't even a finalist. Must mean their offer was total garbage. lol.

The Spurs estimated what they thought Durant was worth to them and offered no more.

[LeBowen]

But what about PHX side? I thought they could not take in more than they gave out (and cannot aggregate to send money to a third team)? Brooks + Jalen money > KD’s

Incoming salaries are limited to 110% above first apron.
Green+Brooks are at $54.45M for the next season, KD is at $54.7M.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

I'm lowkey glad Dillon Brooks is off the rockets, he always gave us problems

Wemby stopper

[DPG21920]

Incoming salaries are limited to 110% above first apron.
Green+Brooks are at $54.45M for the next season, KD is at $54.7M.

I thought PHX was 2nd apron

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/jeffgspurszone/status/1936851488220815545?s=46

[Ice009]

The Spurs estimated what they thought Durant was worth to them and offered no more.

It's just interesting that it doesn't look like they cared to get him. I wonder if Durant feels slighted that they didn't put a better package together to try and get him. It makes it look like the interest was one way only on Durant's side.

[Mr. Body]

I continue to say this, Kevin Durant next year would have been awesome for us. Kevin Durant after that point would have become more of a problem. Either:

1. He falls off and you're paying him $50 million a year for a guy who is all but done.

or

2. He's still good, which is great, but now Dylan Harper is really coming on and ready to achieve his best outcomes, but we still have Durant needing 20 shots a game.

I estimate the Spurs knew these two outcomes and that's why they didn't want to offer too much.

[itzsoweezee]

Houston was the obvious trade. I’m glad San Antonio didn’t get into a bidding war. This front office has been making the right decisions the last couple of years and continue to not outsmart themselves.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

I dont think the Spurs were low-balling so much as Rockets and Heat could afford to pay more because our team sucks more

[Ice009]

I continue to say this, Kevin Durant next year would have been awesome for us. Kevin Durant after that point would have become more of a problem. Either:

1. He falls off and you're paying him $50 million a year for a guy who is all but done.

or

2. He's still good, which is great, but now Dylan Harper is really coming on and ready to achieve his best outcomes, but we still have Durant needing 20 shots a game.

I estimate the Spurs knew these two outcomes and that's why they didn't want to offer too much.

That's a good explanation of what they might have been thinking. I guess $50M+ was too big of a gamble to take.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Keldon's contract isn't that bad, just two years left, $17.5M per.
Not a positive asset, but we wouldn't need to attach anything to move him.

If Devin is staying, he better get his shit together because if he has another bad season he goes into negative asset territory.

Devin is trash. So is sochan. We will be glad to get rid of then.

keldon is perfect for bench leader

[LeBowen]

I thought PHX was 2nd apron

It doesn't change in second apron.
These are the restrictions:
https://i.imgur.com/kuB9bc3.png

[LeBowen]

Devin is trash. So is sochan. We will be glad to get rid of then.

keldon is perfect for bench leader

With the addition of Harper, Keldon becomes redundant because his game revolves around attacking the rim.
He's a horrible defender and a pretty bad shooter.
Great locker room presence, but we don't need his skillset anymore.

Devin is an inconsistent chucker, but I guess our front office still has hopes that he'll get his shit together. In theory he's a great off the ball player and could be a decent enough defender.

Jeremy is a very good defender, potentially elite and a huge negative on offense. But he's not a negative asset until we see his extension.

[Dejounte]

That's a good explanation of what they might have been thinking. I guess $50M+ was too big of a gamble to take.

50 mil is a nothing burger when the spurs wouldnt have cap space anyway.

and yall are kidding yourselves if you think kd wouldnt step aside eventually once he sees he’s not as effective as he used to be, even if it was as immediate as year 2. This is a guy who has matured over the years and cares about passing forward knowledge at the end of his career. He would have been a big addition to the team, but now Amen Thompson and Jabari will reap that benefit and become better pros down the line.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

F#ck FVV. Wasn't he the guy in the Raptors Championship celebration video with Kawhi yelling "F#ck Pop"? I hope he gets kicked to the F@cking curb.

It was apparently Kawhi's butt buddy who said it, not FVV.


But what about PHX side? I thought they could not take in more than they gave out (and cannot aggregate to send money to a third team)? Brooks + Jalen money > KD’s

Brooks had $1 mil of incentives in his contracts, which are now unlikely, so his base salary for next season is $21.124 mil, thus Brooks + Jalen are about 200k less than KD's salary. There probably would be more contracts and teams added by the time it's finalized anyway. Math is easy to figure out once teams agree on the value.

[dn0774]

Great move for Rockets, sending Green is literal addition by subtraction (though he torched the Spurs a couple times lol). I’m mostly disappointed because we really need to move off of at least 1 but preferably 2 of Vassell/Keldon/Sochan.

Am I wrong for thinking Cam Whitmore is a 1:1 replacement for Jalen Green given similar minutes and usage?

[DPG21920]

It was apparently Kawhi's butt buddy who said it, not FVV.



Brooks had $1 mil of incentives in his contracts, which are now unlikely, so his base salary for next season is $21.124 mil, thus Brooks + Jalen are about 200k less than KD's salary. There probably would be more contracts and teams added by the time it's finalized anyway. Math is easy to figure out once teams agree on the value.

Gotcha - thought Brooks + Green made more than KD by half a million or something but taking out 1M for Brooks makes sense.

[Ariel]

Keldon + Barnes + Branham + Wesley + seven SRPs :lmao
Guess or information? I wouldn't be surprised if this was close though.

[scottspurs]

Ime Udoka, Royal Ivey and Steven Adams were huge parts of KD having Houston on his list of teams. He feels comfortable going to Houston and slotting in with their young pieces. Fred VanVleet and Durant give the Rockets the championship pedigree they need to contend next season.

[SpursFan86]

Guess or information? I wouldn't be surprised if this was close though.

I was just cracking a joke, but yeah, might actually not be that far off :lol

[CorrectCrusader]

Eh. The Spurs were a play-in team before Wemby went down.

Next year, if Wembanyama stays healthy, they're probably a straight-up playoff team. Fox with his fixed hand. I don't think people realize how good Harper is going to be.

I believe we were looking pretty good until the late december blood clot effects started hitting

[Jordan Jackson]

If OKC doesn’t close out on a championship tonight. Do they set their sights on the next available star. They have the assets to trump any Spurs offer if they are competing for the same guy.

Anyway, Spurs need a wing/big wing. Better call the Pelicans.

[Mr. Body]

I believe we were looking pretty good until the late december blood clot effects started hitting

Yeah. Wemby started slowing down and then went out.

Honestly, this guard corps is nasty. Wembanyama is going to be a monster. They just need to add some size and they're going to be a pretty fearsome team.

I really want to reiterate how nasty a Fox-Castle-Harper trio is going to be.

[scottspurs]

Rockets walked away from a deal earlier this week as Tari Eason and Jabari Smith Jr were off limits. Suns had no choice but to get a deal done and they settled for the best value.

[Ariel]

50 mil is a nothing burger when the spurs wouldnt have cap space anyway.
Salary this year wouldn't be a problem, but it could be as soon as next offseason if Durant wanted a max extension (around 60 million per year), and it would have put the Spurs out of the race should any younger star (Giannis?) become available, as they wouldn't have included Fox or KD in the trade after demanding a trade to the Spurs and re-signing them, and it wouldn't work otherwise.

[scott]

https://x.com/jeremysochan/status/1936848124884259168?s=46

Anyone know what he could mean with this gif?

He's a kid who likes to troll and is obviously very affected by the news around him... which to me is a sign of mental softness... the same kind of shit that leads dudes like KD (ironically enough) to have burner accounts. IMO.

[scott]

A TMIII and Herb Jones for #14 & a couple of 2nd round picks would be nice.

Why not Jokic for #14 and a couple SRPs?

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Harper is irrelevant to keldon imo because he better not be on the bench past the beginning of the season

I am not a Sochan believer. Devin is a shooter who can't shoot

[LeBowen]

Tried to find some Aldama info on Grizzlies subreddit and it seems they think he'll be gone in a S&T.
I wonder if we could get it done without including #14.

70/4 would be a great deal for us.

[LeBowen]

Harper is irrelevant to keldon imo because he better not be on the bench past the beginning of the season

It's irrelevant who starts when two of Fox/Castle/Harper will be on the floor at all times. In that scenario Keldon becomes an issue because he doesn't get the ball.


I am not a Sochan believer.

Me neither, but as of now he's just a player on a rookie deal.


Devin is a shooter who can't shoot

I also want him gone, but it doesn't look likely at this point.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

I'm also afraid we can never count on Wemby playing a full season

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

I think of Keldon more as a Patty figure than a Manu figure ...in terms of leadership compared to consistent on-court importance

[Ice009]

It was apparently Kawhi's butt buddy who said it, not FVV.



Brooks had $1 mil of incentives in his contracts, which are now unlikely, so his base salary for next season is $21.124 mil, thus Brooks + Jalen are about 200k less than KD's salary. There probably would be more contracts and teams added by the time it's finalized anyway. Math is easy to figure out once teams agree on the value.

lol. I'll have to try and find it and watch it again as I only watched it once back then and the comments said it was FVV, so I'd been thinking it was him all these years ;).

[RC_Drunkford]

well there's always John Collins :lol

I wonder what the Spurs have lined up for #14 that made them not wanting to include it in a KD trade

[scott]

Tried to find some Aldama info on Grizzlies subreddit and it seems they think he'll be gone in a S&T.
I wonder if we could get it done without including #14.

70/4 would be a great deal for us.

We can't execute a S&T until the FA period starts anyway, so #14 shouldn't play into any Santi discussions.

As for compensation, we've picked up FRPs (the CHI pick) and FRP Swaps (the SAC 2031) for facilitating S&Ts in the past (ironically, both for Demar), but that seems like an FRP might be too much of a price here. There is only one team who is an outright threat to sign Santi (BKN, though I guess DET could maybe work things around to offer him around $17MM/yr if they wanted)... so there isn't a ton of leverage for MEM to extract a lot of capital out of a S&T team.

The unfortunately thing is that if MEM is interested in S&T'ing Santi in order to save money, then that gives a team like ATL a leg up because they could use their TPE. Barnes would probably be our best trade asset for a potential Santi S&T as an expiring... maybe HB + some SRPs? MEM might value those SRPs as they have a strong history of turning them into real players.

I'd like to keep HB... but it seems like he is going to be a key to upgrading our forwards unless we find someone that really values 4 years of Devin Vassell. Devin might actually have some interest to MEM since they lost Bane... but my guess is they don't want the long term money.

[scott]

lol. I'll have to try and find it and watch it again as I only watched it once back then and the comments said it was FVV, so I'd been thinking it was him all these years ;).

Man... it's time to move on lol

[Spurs Homer]

Thanks to the universe...
i am amazed that people here still dont see KD as already having fallen off the cliff and built him up to somehow be a very valuable piece...
i dont see it...

also- wemby has to be top dog here - no ifs,ands, or buts - putting an aging KD on the court next to wemby was kinda counter-productive imo - i know the experts imagined some kind of magic - but i doubt it would have been good for wemby..

finally, glad to keep barnes, sochan and even keldon ...

but maybe there is still a chance vassell and the #14 pick are used for a good veteran?

[dubross]

If you don’t trade vassell, sochan and a late lottery pick for KD what can that package get realistically? I don’t really see vassell and sochan(especially if he can’t shoot a reliable 3) in the future for the spurs. I would have been reluctant to include Sochan but he wouldn’t have been a deal breaker.

[KobesAchilles]

Either way this coming season is not a development season. It is a make the fucking playoffs or bust season. Not play-in. Not well we won 40 games so we are growing. We need to make the fucking playoffs. 8 seasons in a row for not making the playoffs needs to get some people fired.

This roster needs a shake up badly. And if they want to go all in next year on the shake up and take an extra year to see that Devin still is a No-D chucker and Sochan is a pussy when it comes to shooting open 3s that’s their prerogative I guess. But don’t try to chicken shit your way of admitting the FO made mistakes with these players by saying well the Spurs are young and developing. Bc I’ve seen zero development from any of the pre-Wemby players.

Also this chickenshit excuse of we are young needs to stop too. Idgaf about how young are players are when all the other young teams with talent except ours is making the playoffs.

[lefty]

Thank you Rockets

[exstatic]

Allegedly. There is no credible report that says that he is suffering from Long Covid.

Officially, he was suffering from post-viral syndrome. Treatment mostly means long rest, which is what a long offseason is supposed to provide to an athlete. In any case, a trade like this would always mean taking physicals and checking if he has recovered. The Spurs' due diligence can establish if he has recovered or not.

HIPAA.

[Ice009]

Man... it's time to move on lol

Yeah, might just be ;). Just when I see FVV I sort of remember that video and say "F-that guy" (outside of that, I don't care about him at all) as I thought it was super disrespectful if he did say that. Like, really, any of those guys should have been saying "Thank you, Pop" for trading Kawhi there in the first place, otherwise, they'd be ring less.

[LeBowen]

If you don’t trade vassell, sochan and a high lottery pick for KD what can that package get realistically? I don’t really see vassell and sochan(especially if he can’t shoot a reliable 3) in the future for the spurs. I would have been reluctant to include Sochan but he wouldn’t have been a deal breaker.

We're looking for legit forwards with size and reliable 3pt, not for another star.
The list should be something like Cam Johnson, PJ Washington, John Collins, Santi Aldama, then FA targets like LaRavia, Merrill, NAW.
And a legit backup for Wemby.

[LeBowen]

Man... it's time to move on lol

How about Markkanen or Murphy? ;)

[spursistan]

He's a kid who likes to troll and is obviously very affected by the news around him... which to me is a sign of mental softness... the same kind of shit that leads dudes like KD (ironically enough) to have burner accounts. IMO.
Sochan is the biggest false image on the team. He thinks his hair-dying shtick, on-court theatrics, and childish twitter trolling can mask this very truth. Notice how he leaks out a shooting/practice video every time there a big trade buzz that might involve him so as to say :"i'm improving/i'm taking the next step. don't trade me!".. Contrast his behavior to how off social media radar Castle is. His X account is dormant while he puts in the work during the offseason. Give me a silent assassin over someone who is morphing into another Lance Stephenson -- a persona speaking with their antics rather than letting their game talk..

[scott]

How about Markkanen or Murphy? ;)

I'm always on board for 100+ pages of TMIII talk... but I'm not gonna waste brainwaves on Lauri anymore with his contract and the price Ainge will likely still want. The Dunc'd On Mock Offseason talked a bit about this and how Ainge will probably think Lauri is worth 4 FRPs based on the Bane deal. Unsurprisingly, no one was interested in trading for him.

[objective]

Spurs probably weren't going to beat a Houston offer. Even putting in Sochan I guess would have triggered Houston to add more also.

BUT

Now B.Wright needs to step it up and get John Collins or PJ Washington on this team.

I understand it might take until draft night to see if someone Utah likes slides to 14, but they have to get frontcourt talent that isn't elderly and maxxed out.

[scott]

Sochan is the biggest false image on the team. He thinks his hair-dying shtick, on-court theatrics, and childish twitter trolling can mask this very truth. Notice how he leaks out a shooting/practice video every time there a big trade buzz that might involve him so as to stay "i'm improving/i'm taking the next step. don't trade me!".. Contrast his behavior to how off social media radar Castle is. His X account is dormant while he puts in the work during the offseason. Give me a silent assassin over a someone who is morphing into another Lance Stephenson -- a persona speaking with their antics rather than letting their game talk..

Preach! Everyone here rightfully hates Dillon Brooks... but Dillon's bullshit is at least backed up by being a better, more impactful player than Jeremy Sochan. I just hate how Jeremy is a persona before he's a basketball player. Should be the other way around. Jeremy hasn't earned it yet.

[Mr. Body]

Sochan is the biggest false image on the team. He thinks his hair-dying shtick, on-court theatrics, and childish twitter trolling can mask this very truth. Notice how he leaks out a shooting/practice video every time there a big trade buzz that might involve him so as to say :"i'm improving/i'm taking the next step. don't trade me!".. Contrast his behavior to how off social media radar Castle is. His X account is dormant while he puts in the work during the offseason. Give me a silent assassin over a someone who is morphing into another Lance Stephenson -- a persona speaking with their antics rather than letting their game talk..

lol these takes are so stupid

[LeBowen]

Preach! Everyone here rightfully hates Dillon Brooks... but Dillon's bullshit is at least backed up by being a better, more impactful player than Jeremy Sochan. I just hate how Jeremy is a persona before he's a basketball player. Should be the other way around. Jeremy hasn't earned it yet.

As I said many times, how many Spurs fans would actually value Jeremy if not for Rodman cosplay?
The best thing he's got going for him is that we don't have a single 6'7-6'10 wing who's a positive defender.

[djohn2oo8]

Sure, but they’re still in a great spot. Great young core with Sengun/Amen/Jabari/Eason/Sheppard, still plenty of future draft capital, very solid young coach, and no long-term contracts that appear to be awful. Obviously you’d rather not whiff on a 2nd pick but I doubt their FO or fanbase is too upset at the moment.
Yeah. Just getting rid of Green is addition by subtraction.

[Mr. Body]

Either way this coming season is not a development season. It is a make the fucking playoffs or bust season. Not play-in. Not well we won 40 games so we are growing. We need to make the fucking playoffs. 8 seasons in a row for not making the playoffs needs to get some people fired.

This roster needs a shake up badly. And if they want to go all in next year on the shake up and take an extra year to see that Devin still is a No-D chucker and Sochan is a pussy when it comes to shooting open 3s that’s their prerogative I guess. But don’t try to chicken shit your way of admitting the FO made mistakes with these players by saying well the Spurs are young and developing. Bc I’ve seen zero development from any of the pre-Wemby players.

Also this chickenshit excuse of we are young needs to stop too. Idgaf about how young are players are when all the other young teams with talent except ours is making the playoffs.

Goddamn are you a crybaby. They made their big move in the middle of the season. Goddamn. What the fuck kind of shakeup do you fucking want? Lauri Markannen? Lmfao. This team is making the playoffs next year. Jesus Christ.

[BacktoBasics]

Preach! Everyone here rightfully hates Dillon Brooks... but Dillon's bullshit is at least backed up by being a better, more impactful player than Jeremy Sochan. I just hate how Jeremy is a persona before he's a basketball player. Should be the other way around. Jeremy hasn't earned it yet.

I think that’s a bit unreasonable. It’s not like it’s one or the other. The idea that you can’t have a personality until you’ve reached an imaginary level of basketball skill is kinda ridiculous.

I find Sochan to be significantly better than Vassell and I completely understand why they wouldn’t want to package him in that trade for a guy who is probably in his last two years and likely to not give you over 55 games.

Out of Sochan, Vassell and Keldon I think it’s obvious that Sochan is the only one who will positively impact the team next season or at the very least be the most impactful of the 3.

There are other trades out there and I’m somewhat relieved to not have Durant.

I had visions of him missing big stretches of the season while the team gels only for him to come back at pivotal moments and wreck any cohesiveness by being as big of a black hole as Keldon is.

[LeBowen]

Out of Sochan, Vassell and Keldon I think it’s obvious that Sochan is the only one who will positively impact the team next season or at the very least be the most impactful of the 3.

So far the only truth and the objective thing we can go with is that neither of them is a positive contributor.
At the end of 23-24 season we went 4-4 against good teams with all three of them being shut down because we tried to tank.
This season we were actually doing really well with Champagnie starting while both Jeremy and Devin were out.
Then Mitch had to shove those two into lineups that didn't really make sense and we started losing games in worst possible ways.

Keldon is what he is, this is his peak ability. Subpar player.
Other two can maybe improve in the right environment and roster construction.
Wemby can play with anyone, but we also have an all-star point guard who's not a good shooter and two more 6'5 players who also aren't a great fit with those three.

We'll be trying to make the playoffs and shoving Devin/Jeremy into lineups that make players who should be prioritized over them uncomfortable isn't the way to go.
Does that mean Devin and Jeremy can't be great somewhere else? No, but sometimes role players just don't fit the roster, it's just how basketball works.

[scott]

I think that’s a bit unreasonable. It’s not like it’s one or the other. The idea that you can’t have a personality until you’ve reached an imaginary level of basketball skill is kinda ridiculous.

I find Sochan to be significantly better than Vassell and I completely understand why they wouldn’t want to package him in that trade for a guy who is probably in his last two years and likely to not give you over 55 games.

Out of Sochan, Vassell and Keldon I think it’s obvious that Sochan is the only one who will positively impact the team next season or at the very least be the most impactful of the 3.

There are other trades out there and I’m somewhat relieved to not have Durant.

I had visions of him missing big stretches of the season while the team gels only for him to come back at pivotal moments and wreck any cohesiveness by being as big of a black hole as Keldon is.

It's one thing to have personality, it's another thing to be a Brooks/Sochan/Draymond type villain-type character. That's what, IMO, Sochan hasn't earned. If he played for another other team, he'd be exactly the type of player that Spurs fans hate (very much like Brooks and Green).

That is a different matter than what I perceive to be his mental softness. That is probably just the insecurity of youth and he can certainly grow out of that.

[exstatic]

Harper is irrelevant to keldon imo because he better not be on the bench past the beginning of the season

I am not a Sochan believer. Devin is a shooter who can't shoot

Devin I career .369
Devin II career .354

Can you figure out which one is Vassell, and can you identify the other Devin?

[LeBowen]

Devin I career .369
Devin II career .354

Can you figure out which one is Vassell, and can you identify the other Devin?

The thing is that Booker is a first/second option 25ppg+ scorer on above average TS% while also averaging 7 assists per game.
We're trying to develop Vassell into an off the ball shooter.

[scott]

We'll be trying to make the playoffs and shoving Devin/Jeremy into lineups that make players who should be prioritized over them uncomfortable isn't the way to go.
Does that mean Devin and Jeremy can't be great somewhere else? No, but sometimes role players just don't fit the roster, it's just how basketball works.

This is the best summation for me. Devin and Jeremy are role players, and they can be valuable in the right situations and roster constructions... but it doesn't appear that we have one of those situations/constructions.

For example, earlier today when Chinook suggested we should sign NAW to start at SG so that Jeremy can fit. This pushes Castle and Harper, both players better than Sochan, to a bench role just so we can make Sochan fit. This idea just seems crazy to me. Devin and Jeremy aren't good enough to build around... Wemby/Fox/Castle/Harper are those guys. Everyone else needs to fit, or they don't have a place on this team.

[poopbox]

I think that’s a bit unreasonable. It’s not like it’s one or the other. The idea that you can’t have a personality until you’ve reached an imaginary level of basketball skill is kinda ridiculous.

I find Sochan to be significantly better than Vassell and I completely understand why they wouldn’t want to package him in that trade for a guy who is probably in his last two years and likely to not give you over 55 games.

Out of Sochan, Vassell and Keldon I think it’s obvious that Sochan is the only one who will positively impact the team next season or at the very least be the most impactful of the 3.

There are other trades out there and I’m somewhat relieved to not have Durant.

I had visions of him missing big stretches of the season while the team gels only for him to come back at pivotal moments and wreck any cohesiveness by being as big of a black hole as Keldon is.

How exactly did you come to this conclusion?

His counting stats are nothing special and pretty horrific when it comes to shooting

He has some above average isolated defensive stats but I think those stats in general are flawed because it's hard to determine who get's "credit" for isolated defense . For example a guy shoots and Devin, Wemby, and Sochan all put their hands up to close out. He misses. Only one of the 3 can get credit for the "isolated defense".

He is only a decent passer on a short roll to the rim, but how many times are we even in a position to give him the ball in that position? Not much.

To me, the main reason why I don't like Sochan and want him off the team is that his guy is never actually playing any man to man defense on him and just constantly roaming around and pre rotating on defense, the main reason why we are toward the bottom of the league in open 3's for 3 years, which is consequentially how long Sochan has been on this team.

I don't see how anyone can like tweener forwards who can't shoot, pass, defend, and that's exactly what Sochan is.

I have no idea where people get this idea that he is a good defender from. Almost all of our worst defensive lineups have sochan at the 4. Not going to dock him for the ones at the 5 though cause he should never play the 5.

Then again I don't think he has any trade value at all. Nobody wants a tweener forward who can't do anything. You'd have to attach a pick to get rid of him.

[djohn2oo8]

I don’t know how this would even work. But rumblings they will go for Giannis too if he asks out.

[LeBowen]

This is the best summation for me. Devin and Jeremy are role players, and they can be valuable in the right situations and roster constructions... but it doesn't appear that we have one of those situations/constructions.

For example, earlier today when Chinook suggested we should sign NAW to start at SG so that Jeremy can fit. This pushes Castle and Harper, both players better than Sochan, to a bench role just so we can make Sochan fit. This idea just seems crazy to me. Devin and Jeremy aren't good enough to build around... Wemby/Fox/Castle/Harper are those guys. Everyone else needs to fit, or they don't have a place on this team.

Before we got #2, I thought that 6th man scorer was Devin's role to relevance. But now that's gone.
Keldon's role is also gone because too many better players need the ball and Keldon isn't that useful without it.

Jeremy will be a non-factor in serious games as long as he can't shoot.
It's been years since a wing non-shooter role player has managed to stay on the floor in the playoffs.
Especially one with no playmaking skills.

[spurraider21]

:lol RC_Drunkford and his sources

[Mr. Body]

Before we got #2, I thought that 6th man scorer was Devin's role to relevance. But now that's gone.
Keldon's role is also gone because too many better players need the ball and Keldon isn't that useful without it.

Jeremy will be a non-factor in serious games as long as he can't shoot.
It's been years since a wing non-shooter role player has managed to stay on the floor in the playoffs.
Especially one with no playmaking skills.

Role players are good to have off the bench, guys who aren't always the most consistent but can come up from game to game.

J-Will for the Thunder is looking like a really high grade role player to me, at least right now. He plays extremely well at home, but struggles elsewhere. A star needs to turn it on nearly every game.

Keldon and Vassell are solid role players. They'd be good on nearly any team. The problem is how much they make per year, but that's a different concern.

Seriously, this is where SpursTalk gets really, really shitty and stupid. Not you, but throughout. This desperation to move on from players who are fine. (Again - Vassell's contract is too long, so that matters.) Bringing these guys off the bench is going to be fine, if they don't get moved. They're players we will need.

Sochan is a different issue. Most of this board is entirely wrong about Sochan. Not a surprise, they still hate him for being forced to play point guard. He was really good this season before injuries started hitting him.

[spurraider21]

Devin I career .369
Devin II career .354

Can you figure out which one is Vassell, and can you identify the other Devin?
Booker isn’t a specialist and went to the finals as a #1

[scott]

Before we got #2, I thought that 6th man scorer was Devin's role to relevance. But now that's gone.
Keldon's role is also gone because too many better players need the ball and Keldon isn't that useful without it.

Jeremy will be a non-factor in serious games as long as he can't shoot.
It's been years since a wing non-shooter role player has managed to stay on the floor in the playoffs.
Especially one with no playmaking skills.

If Castle is a 3 (and I'll resume my campaign that Castle is a 3), then I think the 6th man role is still there for Devin. But this is dependent upon Castle's shot improving, Harper being an average-or-better shooter and the Spurs starting a 4 who can shoot.

Keldon, we absolutely agree because Devin and Keldon should never share the court with one another. Keldon may be able to have a 6th man role if you do the same thing where Castle is your 3 but Devin is gone... but for the most part we're on the same page.

Sochan can be a significant role player as the 7th man so long as his extension is right-sized for that role (4/60 being the max for that, IMO). It doesn't make sense for Sochan to get paid like a future starter because 1) he hasn't proven he can be that and 2) no other team in the league would offer him that. I'm still hoping we just let Sochan play out this year and be an RFA next year.

So... I think there is room for 2 of these guys to stay... but expectations need to be realigned for their roles. I just don't see a path for any of them to be a starter (except for Sochan, but that would require a drastic improvement of his shot that I'm not a believer in, no matter how many shooting workout videos get posted).

[mudyez]

Good deal for Houston and Phoenix saved some face coz 6 picks make it sound ok. If they hit with #10 and Green nets them another high first (or makes it look like he is boarderline all star again) it may even be a good deal for both sides.

Overall I'm just glad, we are not overpaying. The 122mio extention will hit Houston and I wouldn't have liked to see the Spurs giving that out.

[LeBowen]

Role players are good to have off the bench, guys who aren't always the most consistent but can come up from game to game.

J-Will for the Thunder is looking like a really high grade role player to me, at least right now. He plays extremely well at home, but struggles elsewhere. A star needs to turn it on nearly every game.

Keldon and Vassell are solid role players. They'd be good on nearly any team. The problem is how much they make per year, but that's a different concern.

Seriously, this is where SpursTalk gets really, really shitty and stupid. Not you, but throughout. This desperation to move on from players who are fine. (Again - Vassell's contract is too long, so that matters.) Bringing these guys off the bench is going to be fine, if they don't get moved. They're players we will need.

Sochan is a different issue. Most of this board is entirely wrong about Sochan. Not a surprise, they still hate him for being forced to play point guard. He was really good this season before injuries started hitting him.

The issue is that Devin won't ever be seen as an inconsistent role player as long as he's with the Spurs.
He'll have guaranteed 30mpg no matter what.
He went straight back into the starting lineup this season, even though we were playing good basketball while he was out.

Yes, he'd do well at OKC as an 8th or 9th man, but the issue is that we need 5th/6th/7th man who are consistent performers and fit the team.

We have a real possibility to make this roster really difficult to deal with considering the size Castle and Harper have, but we won't do it unless we get a couple more 6'8-6'10 forwards who can shoot the ball reliably well.
If we keep Devin, Castle won't see any guard minutes and then he'll go from a player who has an advantageous matchup on offense almost every time to a player who will have to battle physical wings because Devin certainly can't do it.

I'd genuinely like to hear how would you incorporate Sochan into lineups with two guards who aren't good shooters without making our offense look like something staright from 1979.
You can bank on him having miraculous jumpshot development, but I can't be a believer after him not improving it at all over 3 seasons played with no pressure whatsoever.

[djohn2oo8]

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[exstatic]

The thing is that Booker is a first/second option 25ppg+ scorer on above average TS% while also averaging 7 assists per game.
We're trying to develop Vassell into an off the ball shooter.

Saying he can’t shoot is foolishness. That’s what I was calling ARvW out on.

[djohn2oo8]

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[lefty]

Suns folding?

Heard that one before

[exstatic]

Booker isn’t a specialist and went to the finals as a #1

We’ll see how he does as a #1 now. My guess is about as good as he did when they tried after drafting him. Suns didn’t even make the playoffs until CP got there. I kinda consider him the #1 on that Finals team. Booker was an AS, but Paul was that, all NBA 2, and 4th in MVP voting.

[DPG21920]

I don’t know how this would even work. But rumblings they will go for Giannis too if he asks out.

Sengun + Jabari + Reed + 3 firsts

[twodeep]

The Suns tried to leverage Spurs, Houston, Timberwolves against each other and everyone was like this is our offer take it or leave it Suns had no leverage on a 37 year old Durant

[BacktoBasics]

It's one thing to have personality, it's another thing to be a Brooks/Sochan/Draymond type villain-type character. That's what, IMO, Sochan hasn't earned. If he played for another other team, he'd be exactly the type of player that Spurs fans hate (very much like Brooks and Green).

That is a different matter than what I perceive to be his mental softness. That is probably just the insecurity of youth and he can certainly grow out of that.

I see where you’re coming from. Makes sense.

[dubross]

The rockets 2027 draft assets will be coveted. They essentially will have 2 lottery picks for the most part. Suns 1st and a swap with the nets

[LeBowen]

The rockets 2027 draft assets will be coveted. They essentially will have 2 lottery picks for the most part. Suns 1st and a swap with the nets

Nets will tank for another season and then start competing.
Most cap space in the league, another high lottery pick and a solid free agency class.
It doesn't take much to be a play-in team in the East if you have no incentive to lose games.

[scottspurs]

An underrated aspect of this trade is doing it on the same day as game 7 of the nba finals. Perhaps planting a seed in the head of the Thunder that things may not be so easy moving forward. Gamesmanship at its finest.

[TD 21]

It's simultaneously a bad return and probably about the best they Suns could do (hardcore fan always underestimates the value/movability of draft pedigreed, overpaid, empty calories bust types in star trades), but it's still more/easier to sell to the masses than the Spurs presumed package being bandied about.

Unfortunately, this was the best outcome for the Rockets, not having to part with Smith Jr. or even Whitmore. They now have a clean, sensible nine man rotation.

Not good for the Spurs on multiple counts, the other being the lack of an obvious alternative option (Porter Jr.?) to fill the gaping size/shooting hole they have a wing/forward.

[itzsoweezee]

Houston could be in a great position to add Giannis too.

[djohn2oo8]

Sengun + Jabari + Reed + 3 firsts
True

[LeBowen]

Houston could be in a great position to add Giannis too.

Not really.
Giannis is definitely not getting traded this summer, regardless of the narratives some media personalities are trying to push.

Next year he'll be 32, but would still command a huge return just to join 38 year old KD.
Then what after KD retires?

Giannis and Amen is like the worst possible fit between two star players if Amen reaches that level.

[djohn2oo8]

Houston could be in a great position to add Giannis too.
Yep.

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