Phoenix Suns expect to part ways with Kevin Durant this offseason. Could the Spurs be a good landing place?

[T Park]

Gambo is saying Vassell and Sochan are both part of the deal

Where is he saying this?

[Davidicus]

Sochan would make me think twice. He’s a decent 3P shot away from being a highly valued contributor on a championship team. His defense, rebounding, and off ball cutting would be missed. And he’s very young.

I’m hoping he’s not included in the deal. If the #14 is also included that’s a disaster, bc we would need that pick for a new F ala Fleming Bryant etc.

[T Park]

Not seeing this anywhere

Yeah I folllow Gambo, and I haven’t seen or heard him talk specifics yet

[mo7888]

I wouldn't trade 14 straightup for Durant.

14 should give the Spurs a solid starter on the same timeline with the core. There are going to be a few solid players there at 14. Develop the young guys and don't bring in a high priced veteran who has a short window.

Paying big money for a player with diminishing skills over the next three years isn't the way to go.

Spurs are going to win a championship without Durant with what they are building. In a couple of years they will be right there rising to the top even without Durant.

Look at the big jumps OK City and Houston made over the last couple of years and the Spurs will be deeper with young talent than both those teams.

Prepare yourself to be disappointed then..

[spursistan]

For the homers who think we are trading for a lemon with some of these packages they're putting out. Even this diminished KD at his age is still worth a FRP at a minimum..So #14 is going out in any scenario.. Wemby aside, current KD would be the best player on Spurs roster since 2017-18 Aldridge..

Joel Moran on X: "Kevin Durant after tearing his Achilles and leaving the Warriors: Regular season (274 games) 27.9 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 5.2 APG on 53/41/88 Playoffs (31 games) 30.4 PPG, 8.3 RPG, 4.9 APG on 49/37/88 Individually, KDtrey5 has been elite. Far from 'underwehlming'" / X (https://x.com/joelvmoran/status/1932562928265208199)

[BatManu20]

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[dubross]

Where is he saying this?

This has already been posted somewhere but here it is

https://x.com/esidery/status/1932615297430614134?s=46&t=R_sceQ4efZTX7nQnRN92Cw

[dubross]

Where is he saying this?

This has already been posted somewhere but here it is

https://x.com/esidery/status/1932615297430614134?s=46&t=R_sceQ4efZTX7nQnRN92Cw

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmoM-lnrcq4

[Seventyniner]

they are working together like it or not. KD's agent Rich Kleinman has the second most NBA players under contract. You fuck him over, you'll have a huge problem signing anybody in the future. KD is not tanking his trade value publicly, so Phoenix gets some value back and the Suns send him to the Spurs. And the Spurs are trying to find a 3rd team so the Suns get a better return and the Spurs have to give up less.

Any idea if the Spurs absorbing Royce O'Neale's contract into their MLE is part of the deal? That would save the Suns a ton of tax money and could cause them to demand less elsewhere, like maybe not insisting on getting both Sochan and #14.

[Ice009]

Chris Paul is 100% gone to Dallas

I actually said that he should go there once their season ended due to Kyrie being out for a whole year. Have you heard that is happening or just saying what you think he should do. I didn't really want him going to a rival. Didn't want him giving up specific Spurs things to a team that could be a possible rival for a long time.

[Kevin]

Sochan makes sense in the deal since him and KD play the some position. He's too thin to play C with KD and he screws up spacing at SF for everyone.

Glad the Spurs aren't paying this offense VS defense role player. Moving forward no more paying offense VS defense role players like Sochan/KJ/Dev. Money is longer unlimited long term.

[RC_Drunkford]

Any idea if the Spurs absorbing Royce O'Neale's contract into their MLE is part of the deal? That would save the Suns a ton of tax money and could cause them to demand less elsewhere, like maybe not insisting on getting both Sochan and #14.

I thought the same but that's not possible. Phoenix can't get 3 players and trade 2 back. They would have to trade KD, O'Neal and somebody like Dunn to us to make it work. I don't see that happening. It's most likely a 3-team deal.

[spurraider21]

Vassell/Sochan isn’t enough salary. Someone else would have to go along.
would probably become a 3 team deal where keldon/barnes get re-routed somewhere

[Rocalcio]

My concerns are that people aren't appreciating how punitive the new cap is and I think max players need to be top-25 guys (honestly borderline perineal All-NBA but the league is full of idiots and trademill teams happy to pay for mediocre: see Lavine/Beal) to earn their pay if you want to be a contending team or unless you have a Brunson type that willingly takes less than market value. I don't think its reasonable to expect Fox to be a Top25 player in 2 yrs, I don't really expect him to be top Top25 again.

Fox is WAY better than Lavine and Beal, at what age? What exactly does Fox do exceptionally? He's definitely better defensively, today and at the same age, will he still be a better defender at 29 than Lavine? Is he so much better that that makes him WAY better?
Offensively? He is a far less efficient scorer than either and that's Fox's best attribute and its speed based and he's not getting faster and he has no positional versatility in a league where 6'2" starters are disappearing.

Lavine's career TS% is 58.7%, and he's been above 60% 4 of the last 5 yrs. Fox has 1 fucking season better than Lavine's avg, Fox has never been above 60%, only above 57% once. Fox is a mediocre assist man, 19th amongst starting PGs this season, 20th the yr before. What is Fox elite at? Getting to the line? Not the last 2 seasons, where Lavine has been better.

I think Fox is a better player, but go look at age 23-27 Fox vs Lavine. WAY better? Not at the same age. WAY better on a team that needs 3% shooting? No, Lavine is arguably a better fit if you want to play Castle and not to mention the guy that definitely would've been draft #1 last yr (Harper).
Throw in Beal if you want, but I was pretty clearly talking about albatross contracts though. But even Beal jacking up crazy shots without help in WAS was a more efficient scorer.
As offense players, Fox is the least efficient player, the worst at getting points/shot. There are other things that make him better, but those 3 get Max money for scoring and for nothing else. Scoring efficiently. Fox is easily the most speed reliant and EASILY the worst shooter of the 3 and the least efficient scorer at that age (and from ages 23-27).

The concern you missed is that, if you view Lavine and Beal as albatross contracts, you shouldn't pay guys for what they've done but what they will do. This is especially true if they are not your franchise guy. IMO Fox screams potential albatross contract. I think its at least as likely Lavine lives up to the last 2 yrs of his K than Fox does to his if he gets the full max extension. Beal was still moveable this season because of his shooting, but he exercised a No Trade Clause to block it and those no longer exist. I'm concerned a slowed down, 29/30y/o Fox will be unmovable in a 2nd Apron league and potentially blocking Castle and/or Harper. And if he slows down enough, he becomes borderline unplayable. That's not a far fetched concern, speed goes. Fox has averaged <63 games played over the past 6 seasons, that's not great. There are reasons to be concerned, he's not a superstar and he never was. He's a former 1xAS/1xAllNBA3, and unlikely to be close ever again. He helped take 1 team, as the 2nd best player, to a first round exit. Sure, great 7 games against GSW. He was the best player on that team? The league and stats disagreed, as evidence by Sabonis getting 27 compared to 2 MVP votes, and nearly a double WS, with better efficiency almost across the board.

I like Fox and I want him for 2 more yrs, but I think Fox's decline has begun. I think its more likely a declining Lavine is capable of living up to his contract (like being the 14th most efficient starter in the NBA like he was THIS SEASON) at 29/30+ compared to Fox.
Its not about Harper, its about overall context. Fox made a ton more sense before the trade as compared to today, he is way more risky now given that context IMO. To me, that risk is pretty close to unjustified if we get KD for cheap (Vassell + 14 + filler). There's real concern and its not unreasonable.

I’m not sure you can say Fox’s decline has started. He’s only 27 and I’m sure playing with Wemby will allow him to increase his numbers, points wise and assist wise.

[Seventyniner]

I thought the same but that's not possible. Phoenix can't get 3 players and trade 2 back. They would have to trade KD, O'Neal and somebody like Dunn to us to make it work. I don't see that happening. It's most likely a 3-team deal.

I thought it could be structured as two different trades: Vassell + Barnes + #14 (or whatever) for KD, then O'Neale into the Spurs MLE for a top 55 protected second, with the proviso that neither deal happens unless the other one does.

[Rocalcio]

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I don’t even hate Sochan… I’m just tired of having to see his stans posting summer workout vids

Just unfollow him on Instagram then…

[BatManu20]

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[Rocalcio]

It's Durant. I am fine with giving up Vassell, Barnes, Sochan and #14. Durant will attract free agents.


Not sure about that, players know he’s a dick

[Rocalcio]

Oops, forgot we had the #2 pick

Fox/ Wesley
Harper/ Powell
Castle/ Julian
Durant/ Keldon/ Ingram
Wemby/ Bassey/ Minix

Minix isn’t a center

[RC_Drunkford]

I thought it could be structured as two different trades: Vassell + Barnes + #14 (or whatever) for KD, then O'Neale into the Spurs MLE for a top 55 protected second, with the proviso that neither deal happens unless the other one does.

maybe. I still think it's a 3-teamer. Suns don't need a third SG with Booker and Beal already on the roster. They need a center.


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Shams is most likely reporting this so ESPN can milk the story for another 2 weeks. I'm pretty sure he's coming to San Antonio.

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that is 33.6% of the cap in 26/27. Basically supermax territory. A 30% max extension would be:

26/27: 51,033,600
27/28: 55,116,288

I also heard he's willing to take a slight discount, but nothing crazy like 20 million. Something like a flat 50 million per year seems realistic.

[scottspurs]

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Rockets can easily put the best offer together. If KD is cool with those 5 teams he will be Rocket. The Spurs will not include pick #2 or Castle. Vassell/barnes or Keldon and 14 can’t beat any rockets offer. They have unlimited assets.

pick 10, Jalen green, Jabari smith Jr., Cam whitmore, Dillon Brooks, Fred VanVleet’s contract, Tari Eason, Suns picks back.

Spurs can’t match.

Only way KD ends up in San Antonio is a massive overpay or KD forces it.

I’m taking this report from Shams as those are the 5 teams KD is cool with. He will be a Rocket.

[scottspurs]

Shams on the Pat Mcafee show makes it sounds like the Rockets are in the drivers seat for KD. Just as I expected Suns mouthpiece driving the price up. Fully expect him to be a Rocket.

[rjv]

i have no problem with KD passing on SA and becoming a Rocket, but I'm not opposed to him being a Spur. There are pros and cons to both outcomes.

[Jordan Jackson]

KD already knows where he’s going. The team he’s going to already knows. Sham’s already has the tweet in his drafts. This is all theatre.

Now we all wait for the big reveal.

Any regular/causal online person claiming they know is another story. They’re full of shit. Although, those degenerate gamblers in Vegas seem to have some clue.

Either way. Big offseason for Spurs.

[exstatic]

i have no problem with KD passing on SA and becoming a Rocket, but I'm not opposed to him being a Spur. There are pros and cons to both outcomes.

In this order:

1. KD cheap, 14, Vassell + whatever
2. KD very expensive to the Rockets. Honestly, if I’m PHO, I’m needing those picks back.

[Seventyniner]

maybe. I still think it's a 3-teamer. Suns don't need a third SG with Booker and Beal already on the roster. They need a center.

That makes perfect sense. I only brought up the O'Neale thing as a way for the Spurs to send out less stuff overall, or maybe snag one of the draft assets that the third team would otherwise send to the Suns.

[rjv]

with Giannis likely staying with the Bucks and KD becoming the biggest name available, I can see the Suns raising the asking price again. i don't want the Spurs getting robbed.

[John B]

Vassell, Keldon + #14 is the most I’d give for KD. He could be a Rockettes, and let Rockettes gut-out their roster for a 2 years rental. They don’t have a Wemby and would fizzle as Durant retire. Who’s left? Let Rockettes do their quick fix and fizzle in 3 years.

I actually like our #14 and so set with getting any of Bryant, Fleming, Sorber. If they are targeting another player in late 1st round, then trade up #38 + Keldon. The Spurs don’t necessarily need a max player like Durant. I rather they draft solid role players. There will be ring chasers who will come cheap to play with Wemby. You get Capela or Adams at backup C. Before you know it, you have 3 or 4 All-Stars in Wemby, Fox and either Castle or Harper, solid role players, plenty of future picks left. If KD wants too much, then pass. Spurs are not desperate for KD.

[LeBowen]

Hopefully it's Jeremy with a bunch of SRPs and not #14.

[exstatic]

Hopefully it's Jeremy with a bunch of SRPs and not #14.

I think that a lottery pick is the ante to get to the game.

[Mr. Body]

Durant to Houston was always the most likely outcome, if Houston wanted him.

[spurraider21]

for the deal to include jeremy we most likely need a 3rd team to get involved to make the numbers work

- Suns cant aggregate players, so it has to be just KD

- KD for Vassell + either of KJ/Barnes works

- KD for Vassell + either of KJ/Barnes + Sochan does not work. it is too much salary for PHX to take back. one of KJ/Barnes would have to be re-routed to a third team

- KD for Vassell + Sochan alone does not get there. it would have to include all of Branham/Wesley/Champagnie for the numbers to bear out, and a 4 for 1 deal like that, roster wise, is going to be tough for both teams


with that said... KJ + Barnes + Sochan works, but then we are losing 3 rotational forwards for an old Durant, and if the suns value Vassell, then they'd probably want more draft comp to make this one work out, which i dont see

i also question why the Suns would want sochan that badly if they like Ryan Dunn

[John B]

In this order:

1. KD cheap, 14, Vassell + whatever
2. KD very expensive to the Rockets. Honestly, if I’m PHO, I’m needing those picks back.

It’s been 30 years since the Rockets won the LOB Trophy. They might just go all-in. But again, let them gut-out their roster and fizzle in 3 years when Durant retires. They don’t have Wemby or Harper (hopefully Spurs keep).

[LeBowen]

if Houston wanted him.

It's about if KD wants Houston.

[Mr. Body]

It's about if KD wants Houston.

Durant can't go to Houston if Houston doesn't want him, and he doesn't really get a say. All he can do is say he wants an extension and anyone trading for him will give him one.

[spurraider21]

rockets making a consolidation move makes a ton of sense, and they have all kinds of assets to make it work. they can mix and match various combinations of players, picks, etc, including those most valued by PHX. if they really want Durant, nobody is beating their offer.

unless for whatever reason durant makes it known to them he wont extend, and the rox balk at a known one year rental

[LeBowen]

Durant can't go to Houston if Houston doesn't want him, and he doesn't really get a say. All he can do is say he wants an extension and anyone trading for him will give him one.

Rockets seem competent these days and they won't give Suns their picks back for KD.
If KD doesn't want to go there he won't sign an extension and Suns can't get much for a one year rental.

[Dejounte]

A spurs team with kd is much more scarier than a rockets team with kd. I dont really know what would make it appealing to go to houston for kd. If its just about the money, then i get it. But if its about legacy, then he should go to san antonio. Not because he will win rings, but so he can claim he was a big part of wemby’s early career.

[scottspurs]

Shams is basically reporting KD is considering the Rockets, Spurs, T-wolves, Heat and Knicks. If KD is cool with those 5 teams Rockets can put the best offer together. Otherwise Suns probably trade him East if offers are equal. I would say Rockets, Knicks and Heat are the front runners. That’s assuming KD is not forcing himself to one team.

[goliath]

I would think the play for Houston would be to pass on KD, hope the Suns stink without him next year and that the Suns put Booker on the block at the deadline.

[John B]

If for example Spurs picked Sorber and pans out? With Wemby, Fox, Castle and Harper. Add Capela or Adams. I’d take Spurs over gutted Rockettes with KD. The Spurs are just missing a solid defensive PF/C and a backup C. I’m not totally excited on KD especially if the asking price is too much. Let Rockettes fizzle in 2-3 years when KD retires and they’ve given youth and picks for him.

[K...]

also houston would do anything in its power to stop durant from spurs , right? bad enough

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/jetski_dfs/status/1932845441349267650?s=46

[scottspurs]

https://x.com/jetski_dfs/status/1932845441349267650?s=46

Bradley Beal to Spurs confirmed

[SpurSpike]

maybe. I still think it's a 3-teamer. Suns don't need a third SG with Booker and Beal already on the roster. They need a center.



Shams is most likely reporting this so ESPN can milk the story for another 2 weeks. I'm pretty sure he's coming to San Antonio.

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that is 33.6% of the cap in 26/27. Basically supermax territory. A 30% max extension would be:

26/27: 51,033,600
27/28: 55,116,288

I also heard he's willing to take a slight discount, but nothing crazy like 20 million. Something like a flat 50 million per year seems realistic.

That's a pretty high price for his age tbh. Some say he is willing to take a discount. I was thinking Durant would get paid similar to LeBron which is around 50m/year. Or at the very least front load it where he takes less in his older years, say 60/50/50.

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/mattgzman/status/1932847676179034140?s=46

Sochan wearing suns colors

[RC_Drunkford]

Shams on the Pat Mcafee show makes it sounds like the Rockets are in the drivers seat for KD. Just as I expected Suns mouthpiece driving the price up. Fully expect him to be a Rocket.

stop panicking he's a Spur. He already told the Suns he wants to go to San Antonio


That's a pretty high price for his age tbh. Some say he is willing to take a discount. I was thinking Durant would get paid similar to LeBron which is around 50m/year. Or at the very least front load it where he takes less in his older years, say 60/50/50.

His first year is from his last contract. You can't frontload that number. He'll sign a 1 year deal with a player option for another year and the number will be around 50 million per year. He's not taking the full max. I assume players who go to Texas are willing to give back the money they save in taxes.

[Pauleta14]

Gambo is saying Vassell and Sochan are both part of the deal

That would be my dream scenario

[RC_Drunkford]

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[buttsR4rebounding]

for the deal to include jeremy we most likely need a 3rd team to get involved to make the numbers work

- Suns cant aggregate players, so it has to be just KD

- KD for Vassell + either of KJ/Barnes works

- KD for Vassell + either of KJ/Barnes + Sochan does not work. it is too much salary for PHX to take back. one of KJ/Barnes would have to be re-routed to a third team

- KD for Vassell + Sochan alone does not get there. it would have to include all of Branham/Wesley/Champagnie for the numbers to bear out, and a 4 for 1 deal like that, roster wise, is going to be tough for both teams


with that said... KJ + Barnes + Sochan works, but then we are losing 3 rotational forwards for an old Durant, and if the suns value Vassell, then they'd probably want more draft comp to make this one work out, which i dont see

i also question why the Suns would want sochan that badly if they like Ryan Dunn

This is incorrect. Vassel + KJ/Barnes + Sochan does work. I think you are using 2024/2025 salaries. Any trades done now use the 2025/2026 salaries. KD's goes up 3million; Vassel's goes down over 2 million, KJ's goes down 1.5 million and Sochan's goes up 1.7 million. So in either scenario KD's $54 million is more than the aggregate of the other 3.

[SpurSpike]

Really don't want to give up Sochan in the deal unless he is asking for starter money on an extension. If he is willing to sign for 10-12m/year and come off the bench he would be great for this team.

[RC_Drunkford]

This is incorrect. Vassel + KJ/Barnes + Sochan does work. I think you are using 2024/2025 salaries. Any trades done now use the 2025/2026 salaries. KD's goes up 3million; Vassel's goes down over 2 million, KJ's goes down 1.5 million and Sochan's goes up 1.7 million. So in either scenario KD's $54 million is more than the aggregate of the other 3.

yeah you're right. It does work. I still think there's a twist in this deal that none of us see coming...

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm telling y'all these reports are only out there so ESPN can get their ratings up

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[RC_Drunkford]

by the way

Devin, Sochan, Branham, Wesley for KD works too, if the Spurs want to keep Keldon and Barnes it's possible

[rjv]

i think the Suns are going to want that expiring contract of Barnes.

[poopbox]

Rockets can easily put the best offer together. If KD is cool with those 5 teams he will be Rocket. The Spurs will not include pick #2 or Castle. Vassell/barnes or Keldon and 14 can’t beat any rockets offer. They have unlimited assets.

pick 10, Jalen green, Jabari smith Jr., Cam whitmore, Dillon Brooks, Fred VanVleet’s contract, Tari Eason, Suns picks back.

Spurs can’t match.

Only way KD ends up in San Antonio is a massive overpay or KD forces it.

I’m taking this report from Shams as those are the 5 teams KD is cool with. He will be a Rocket.

Just cause the Rockets can put the best offer together doesn't mean they will put the best off together. I'm sure any Suns Rockets trade starts with the Suns wanting some or all of their picks back and the Rockets saying no. Might be enough to kill any deal right there.

[Maddog]

Can we get this to a 100 pages before this is no longer a possibility (I'm not real certain there is even real interest by the Spurs)

I'm skeptical the Spurs are really interested- probably Spurs tossing out some low ball offers at best.

[RC_Drunkford]

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[spurraider21]

This is incorrect. Vassel + KJ/Barnes + Sochan does work. I think you are using 2024/2025 salaries. Any trades done now use the 2025/2026 salaries. KD's goes up 3million; Vassel's goes down over 2 million, KJ's goes down 1.5 million and Sochan's goes up 1.7 million. So in either scenario KD's $54 million is more than the aggregate of the other 3.
yeah, spotrac's website was messing up. i had specifically selected the 25-26 year so the salaries are correct.

even though spotrac shows suns taking in 3 mil less than they are sending out, it still calls it a failed trade

https://i.gyazo.com/c633648e3ac514712bba46994194435c.png

[exstatic]

yeah, spotrac's website was messing up. i had specifically selected the 25-26 year so the salaries are correct.

even though spotrac shows suns taking in 3 mil less than they are sending out, it still calls it a failed trade

https://i.gyazo.com/c633648e3ac514712bba46994194435c.png

Bad coding. If you look at the Suns salary difference, it’s a bit over $3M. It should be -$3M. The positive number is probably what is failing the trade.

[scottspurs]

Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol

he also said I'm not sure they will be able to generate that. They are not getting anything close to that. You shouldn't believe anything ESPN is saying.

[goliath]

Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol

Good luck with that. I’m don’t see any team offering that even if KD agreed to go there

[scottspurs]

I want no part of a Durant bidding war. I’ll stand by Vassell, Keldon/Barnes and pick 14. Anything more and I’m happy to use pick 14 and move on. It’s a deep draft.

[John B]

Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol

:lmao they can keep Durant and see him walk to Spurs next season.

[cd98]

Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol

Yes, that's all posture. In negotiations, you always start high. But the reality is they are a second apron team that won't make the playoffs for the next few years. If they don't trade both Durant and Beal, they will be in a world of hurt. Not only that, Durant gets to pick his team, not them, because he only has one year on his contract and he can tell any team that he won't re-sign with them. No one will pay 4 draft picks, young players, and salary cap relief for a one-year rental. They might get one pick, but the only team that would gamble with multiple first round picks is Miami. They can't get multiple picks from the Twolves or the Knicks. Miami can't give up much young talent and have a roster that could win a title but they might give up too many picks.

It really is Houston and San Antonio and I don't see either of those teams bidding up two first round picks. One at best. Probably some 2nd round picks. And Spurs would say any trade involving Vassel or Sochan would require a first round pick. I just think Suns are screwed. And if they don't trade Durant now, no gurantee he will be healthy to trade by the deadline next season and if he isn't traded by then, he'll walk in free agency and the Suns will get nothing.

[LeBowen]

It's not even posture, it's Ishbia being a retard.
When their season ended he said he regrets not doing it his way instead of listening to his front office.
Billionaire egomaniac who's going to burn down what's left of that franchise.

[poopbox]

Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol


KD should just take the for sale sign down at his house then cause nobody is paying even half that for KD

[Leetonidas]

Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol

Yeah fuck that. I'd rather just draft Harper sign some vets and call it an offseason

[BatManu20]

Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol

Laughable trade demands (if true). If that's the case, they can hold onto him and either trade him at the deadline for a much lesser package or let him walk for nothing next Summer. As much as I'd love to add KD, Spurs should not get into a bidding war for a 37 year-old with 1 year left on his deal. Either they come down to a reasonable price or back out and let them fuck themselves over.

[RC_Drunkford]

the only way the Spurs ain't getting Durant is if a team is willing to overpay for a 1-year rental. The only team that could do that is Miami. The Rockets already said that they are not willing to include draft capital in their offer. He's a Spur.

[Ice009]

Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol

Yeah, NO, F-that!

[BatManu20]

Jeremy trying his best to guilt PATFO into not trading him tbh.

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[John B]

The Spurs can play the "river" and not sucked in on the bidding war. They are not in desperate mode. That's why I don't like the "win now" term. Yes they will be competitive next season, getting into the playoff and maybe advance in the 2nd round. They are a very young team who's building for a 10-15 years dominance. It'd be nice, but they don't necessarily need Durant and not on a king's ransom.

[BacktoBasics]

I want no part of a Durant bidding war. I’ll stand by Vassell, Keldon/Barnes and pick 14. Anything more and I’m happy to use pick 14 and move on. It’s a deep draft.

This is it right here. I’m not interested in including Sochan or going any deeper into our roster unless it’s 10th man on or additional 2nds.

[RC_Drunkford]

the deal is Barnes, Vassell, Sochan, #14 and maybe some second rounders. Third team could be involved. KD is doing the same thing Fox did: He's telling teams he only wants to play in San Antonio

[LeBowen]

If that's indeed the deal, we'll need another wing.
KD/Keldon/Champ isn't good enough.
Both Jeremy and #14 is an overpay for my liking.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'd rather not include Sochan, but if that's the deal the Spurs would still be 9.5 million under the cap. They could just go and trade Branham for a 14 million dollar contract and absorb it. Or Keldon for a 27 million dollar contract, which is the exact salary that John Collins makes if he opts in. I already know Brian Wright is out here playing 4D-chess.

[ginobilized]

Just found this scenario interesting:

Suns Receive: Markkanen, Spurs 14th Pick

Jazz Receive: Vassell, KJ, Sochan, Barnes, Spurs 2nd Pick

Spurs Receive: Durant, John Collins, Jazz 5th Pick

Losing the 2nd pick hurts, no doubt. But, adding the pick of the litter of Edgecomb, Knueppel, Maluach, Jackucionis, Coward, Sorber, Tre Johnson, Fears, etc. isn't so bad.

A SL of Fox, Castle, Wemby, Durant & Collins is formidable. Rounding out the roster with a backup center, and a forward or two would be pretty sweet. CP3 might stick around as a backup for that ride. Interesting scenario.

[John B]

the deal is Barnes, Vassell, Sochan, #14 and maybe some second rounders. Third team could be involved. KD is doing the same thing Fox did: He's telling teams he only wants to play in San Antonio

My dream scenario is getting a late 1st round back and get a chance at drafting Fleming.

Adding KD would have ring chasers knocking at Spurs door, maybe Capela or Adams and even John Collins.

[RC_Drunkford]

Just found this scenario interesting:

Suns Receive: Markkanen, Spurs 14th Pick

Jazz Receive: Vassell, KJ, Sochan, Barnes, Spurs 2nd Pick

Spurs Receive: Durant, John Collins, Jazz 5th Pick

Losing the 2nd pick hurts, no doubt. But, adding the pick of the litter of Edgecomb, Knueppel, Maluach, Jackucionis, Coward, Sorber, Tre Johnson, Fears, etc. isn't so bad.

A SL of Fox, Castle, Wemby, Durant & Collins is formidable. Rounding out the roster with a backup center, and a forward or two would be pretty sweet. CP3 might stick around as a backup for that ride. Interesting scenario.

I posted this scenario a couple days ago, because Ainge might want to get in on the deal. I also think the Spurs would want additional future picks in return for trading down. They are trying to fleece teams.

[TD 21]

the deal is Barnes, Vassell, Sochan, #14 and maybe some second rounders. Third team could be involved. KD is doing the same thing Fox did: He's telling teams he only wants to play in San Antonio

Opinion or source? I'm skeptical of Sochan's inclusion because he's their only POA defender against wing-forward sized primary options.

I still think they'll have to add a second 1st to Vassell, Barnes and 14, even if it goes to a third team (probably the Nets) to get the Suns a starting C.

[RC_Drunkford]

Opinion or source? I'm skeptical of Sochan's inclusion because he's their only POA defender against wing-forward sized primary options.

I still think they'll have to add a second 1st to Vassell, Barnes and 14, even if it goes to a third team (probably the Nets) to get the Suns a starting C.

I'm hearing stuff. I don't know how credible it is, but I'm hearing it from multiple people and I heard all of it before NBACentral, Shams, etc. were reporting it.

I view Sochan as the only guy who's able to lock up SGA. But it seems like the Spurs want to shed that salary and not give him an extension. They not sending a second pick, they might send a swap or a gang of second rounders.

Or do the whole trade down scenario in a 3-team trade and include it in a KD deal. If Sochan is gone they might target another forward. Bailey is expected to fall to #5. Essengue could be a target if they ship out Sochan. Like I said in the other thread I made: I expect major roster turnover. They are trying to revamp the whole thing.

[scottspurs]

Spurs are not doing a massive roster turnover per my sources. My sources are Peter John Holt, RC Buford, Brian Wright and Mitch Johnson. All 4 said the same thing.

[Uriel]

Pretty quickly how things change. One moment, the Spurs are considered overwhelming betting favorites to land KD, the next Shams is implying the Rockets are the front runner :lol

[baseline bum]

Just found this scenario interesting:

Suns Receive: Markkanen, Spurs 14th Pick

Jazz Receive: Vassell, KJ, Sochan, Barnes, Spurs 2nd Pick

Spurs Receive: Durant, John Collins, Jazz 5th Pick

Losing the 2nd pick hurts, no doubt. But, adding the pick of the litter of Edgecomb, Knueppel, Maluach, Jackucionis, Coward, Sorber, Tre Johnson, Fears, etc. isn't so bad.

A SL of Fox, Castle, Wemby, Durant & Collins is formidable. Rounding out the roster with a backup center, and a forward or two would be pretty sweet. CP3 might stick around as a backup for that ride. Interesting scenario.

Fuck that, I'm not trading Dylan Harper for fucking John Collins. You gotta stop day drinking.

[benefactor]

Windhorst doesn't know anything. He is just stanning for ESPN. At the beginning of the week he was trying to convince people the Knicks were a serious player.

Barnes is really the only role player I would hate to lose. Trade whoever else you want to trade from the friendship crew away. None of them are serious pieces on a contending Squad.

[benefactor]

Pretty quickly how things change. One moment, the Spurs are considered overwhelming betting favorites to land KD, the next Shams is implying the Rockets are the front runner :lol
Shams has legit sources but he still works for ESPN. They are going to create their own narrative to keep people listening to them.

[Seventyniner]

I'm hearing stuff. I don't know how credible it is, but I'm hearing it from multiple people and I heard all of it before NBACentral, Shams, etc. were reporting it.

I view Sochan as the only guy who's able to lock up SGA. But it seems like the Spurs want to shed that salary and not give him an extension. They not sending a second pick, they might send a swap or a gang of second rounders.

Or do the whole trade down scenario in a 3-team trade and include it in a KD deal. If Sochan is gone they might target another forward. Bailey is expected to fall to #5. Essengue could be a target if they ship out Sochan. Like I said in the other thread I made: I expect major roster turnover. They are trying to revamp the whole thing.

Good info, thanks for posting it.

I'm as much a Sochan stan as anyone here, but if the Spurs don't want to extend him they might as well try and use him as a positive asset in a trade.

I still think Sochan, even if he never shoots threes, can be part of a functional offense, and his defense on guys like SGA would be wasted if he comes off the bench. I would rather the Spurs trade Sochan or let him walk rather than give him a multi-year contract as a bench player.

[exstatic]

Windhorst just said that Reports that the Suns asking price for Durant went down is not true. They want 4 1sts, pick swaps, and valuable players in return. Castle and or pick #2 , additional draft capital would be the starting point. Yeah I’m out lol


I want no part of a Durant bidding war. I’ll stand by Vassell, Keldon/Barnes and pick 14. Anything more and I’m happy to use pick 14 and move on. It’s a deep draft.

“This trade is a done deal, and he’s going to the Spurs” is a terrible storyline. Therefore, they make shit up to try to gin up some drama and controversy. Same with pick #2. It was pretty clear after the lottery that SA wasn’t interested in trading it, but ESPN gotta make up some shit to generate some clicks.

Eventually you watch enough draft/trade/FA seasons, you can tell the shit from the shinola.

[cd98]

Fuck that, I'm not trading Dylan Harper for fucking John Collins. You gotta stop day drinking.

People are somehow not watching the NBA finals and seeing the MVP about to lead his team to a title a few years after being traded for Paul George. That's exactly what could happen with Harper.

[RC_Drunkford]

There‘s a reason the betting odds favor the Spurs by miles since yesterday…

[mudyez]

The more I read here, the less I want a KD deal.
If we give up more than Vassell, Barnes + #14 I will be disappointed. I think Sochan is a special player. Sure, if our guards or him can't develop in terms of 3pt shooting, it will be a problem, but his connectivity and defense are special (it's easy to imagine him on the curent Thunder roster).

I'm also still somewhat high on Vassell. While I'm ok with losing him, I can very well see him becoming a borderline All Star if put into the right position (think D.White).

Thus said, if I have the choice between a lineup that still has Barnes, Fleming/Sorber (#14) and whatever big wing we can get for Vassell (I'm not a John Collins fan, but well, ok)...or having nothing of that but KD...I'm a little bit on the former side with only the Wemby idol status of KD selling me the later.

[Frenchfred]

apparently, KD would ask for 120 millions over two years for the extension. That's crazy

[Strategic]

Windhorst doesn't know anything. He is just stanning for ESPN. At the beginning of the week he was trying to convince people the Knicks were a serious player.

Barnes is really the only role player I would hate to lose. Trade whoever else you want to trade from the friendship crew away. None of them are serious pieces on a contending Squad. I’m on board with this.

[Knoxxx]

If we are giving up 3 players it would be nice if one was Champagnie or even better Branham. Malaki is a guy who could benefit from a change of scenery and actual playing time.

[Frenchfred]

apparently, KD would ask for 120 millions over two years for the extension. That's crazy

[LeBowen]

If we are giving up 3 players it would be nice if one was Champagnie or even better Branham. Malaki is a guy who could benefit from a change of scenery and actual playing time.

Why would we give up our only legit wing size shooter who's not a negative on defense and earns just $3M for two more seasons?

[Knoxxx]

I’m on board with Vassell/Sochan/KJ is too many rotation wings to give up although if it meant keeping the 14 pick could be worth entertaining. Maybe a 3rd team could route us a front court player that provides more of what we need re shooting and or rebounding and rim protection in that type of scenario. SRPs need to be in the offering too since we have way too many.

[Mr. Body]

apparently, KD would ask for 120 millions over two years for the extension. That's crazy

Durant is just like Fox. Targeting San Antonio is for many reasons, but they very very very much want their money. It's a money thing as much as anything.

[baseline bum]

apparently, KD would ask for 120 millions over two years for the extension. That's crazy

If so I'm out. Sucks the years alignment is off by one. If it was $120 million to play the next two years I'd be good with it since he and Fox would be the only big contracts on the team. But would be almost impossible to avoid the first apron in 27-28 when Victor is due an extension unless they started salary dumping guys. Only way I'm trading for KD now is if Brian has assurances the owners are good with being a first apron team for a year in 27-28. And even then I'd have trouble believing Dell and that hedge fund.

[PopTheGOAT]

Windhorst reported the Suns want an equivalent return for KD to what they have up to acquire him :lol

idk why this jerkoff even bothers

[baseline bum]

Windhorst reported the Suns want an equivalent return for KD to what they have up to acquire him :lol

idk why this jerkoff even bothers

And I wanna trade the #14 for Jokic and fuck his wife a couple of times too

[baseline bum]

If the Spurs could sign KD to a one year extension for the 35% supermax ($60 million in 26-27) with a wink-wink promise of around a $30 million offer for 27-28 I'd be down, but no way the Spurs can afford to be paying him veteran supermax in 27-28.

[Trueblood]

You’re still seeing this backwards. It doesn’t matter what teams are willing to pay, or for how many years. Durant has to want to sign.. No one is breaking the bank for a 37 YO on an ending contract without an agreement to extend.

I’m not disagreeing with that at all. My statement was based on the presumptions that Durant wants to come here and that the situations are alike in that sense. If that’s true and Durant does want to come here then my statement stands, if he doesn’t it’s a moot point

[spurraider21]

supermax for a player like durant is a bit of a misnomer.

players with 10 or more years of experience can sign contracts starting at 35% of the cap

typically, players between 7-9 years are capped at 30%. but a supermax eligible player in years 7-9 will be able to get that full 35% sooner. once you are past year 10, its just the max

[PhantomDashCam]

Windy was on ESPN saying “he doesn’t want to get in trouble here. But a Houston package would likely have to include Jalen Green.”
I believe Windy has legitimate sources. Imagine Phoenix with Jalen Green and Devin Booker. :lol

[Mr. Body]

Windy was on ESPN saying “he doesn’t want to get in trouble here. But a Houston package would likely have to include Jalen Green.”
I believe Windy has legitimate sources. Imagine Phoenix with Jalen Green and Devin Booker. :lol

Why would he get in trouble, lol. It's probably true.

Houston would love to get off Jalen Green.

[CGD]

Windy was on ESPN saying “he doesn’t want to get in trouble here. But a Houston package would likely have to include Jalen Green.”
I believe Windy has legitimate sources. Imagine Phoenix with Jalen Green and Devin Booker. :lol

At this point, I'm kinda hoping Houston puts up a massive offer.

[CGD]

Jeremy trying his best to guilt PATFO into not trading him tbh.

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Yeah, he's not going anywhere lol

[CGD]

Why would he get in trouble, lol. It's probably true.

Houston would love to get off Jalen Green.

I think it true simply because they need the salary, no?
They probably like that hes younger and more dynamic seeming than Dev.

[Mr. Body]

I think it true simply because they need the salary, no?
They probably like that hes younger and more dynamic seeming than Dev.

Possibly. I'm not a fan of either tbh. Vassell can play off ball and integrate into an offense. Green is a high volume chucker. Neither is consistent but Green takes up a lot of shot needs. He's not a role player but Vassell could be.

[PhantomDashCam]

Why would he get in trouble, lol. It's probably true.

Houston would love to get off Jalen Green.

I’d imagine from a negotiation/leverage point of view, you wouldn’t want a player’s standing undermined within a team/league/agency, by an analyst that is drip fed intel from such sources.

[LeBowen]

Can't wait for Fox/Castle/Vassell/Barnes/Wemby starting lineup on the opening night. :lol

[Knoxxx]

Why would we give up our only legit wing size shooter who's not a negative on defense and earns just $3M for two more seasons?

To get Kevin Durant for less draft capital. Acting like Champagnie is off limits is tomfoolery.

[LeBowen]

To get Kevin Durant for less draft capital. Acting like Champagnie is off limits is tomfoolery.

It's not off limits, but he's got more value than Sochan if you ask me.

[Frenchfred]

Can't wait for Fox/Castle/Vassell/Barnes/Wemby starting lineup on the opening night. :lol

that's exactly what we'll have :clap

[KobesAchilles]

And I wanna trade the #14 for Jokic and fuck his wife a couple of times too
Lukas mom tbh

[Frenchfred]

at this point, I'm back on trying to get a Nazr type player and not deal with KD anymore if he is really asking for 120 millions or if Sochan is involved.

[poopbox]

I'm hearing stuff. I don't know how credible it is, but I'm hearing it from multiple people and I heard all of it before NBACentral, Shams, etc. were reporting it.

I view Sochan as the only guy who's able to lock up SGA. But it seems like the Spurs want to shed that salary and not give him an extension. They not sending a second pick, they might send a swap or a gang of second rounders.

Or do the whole trade down scenario in a 3-team trade and include it in a KD deal. If Sochan is gone they might target another forward. Bailey is expected to fall to #5. Essengue could be a target if they ship out Sochan. Like I said in the other thread I made: I expect major roster turnover. They are trying to revamp the whole thing.


You need to log off and seek psychological help immediately

[poopbox]

“This trade is a done deal, and he’s going to the Spurs” is a terrible storyline. Therefore, they make shit up to try to gin up some drama and controversy. Same with pick #2. It was pretty clear after the lottery that SA wasn’t interested in trading it, but ESPN gotta make up some shit to generate some clicks.

Eventually you watch enough draft/trade/FA seasons, you can tell the shit from the shinola.

When the Fox stuff started happening, if you go back and look at it, most of the local team reporters already knew the one team he wanted to go to was the Spurs. They talked about how it was pretty much an open secret that Fox wanted to play with Wemby. And at the same time they were all saying this, ESPN is like "Who is the mystery team? Shams tell us who it is? We have no idea. We hear their is one mystery team can you tell us more." And Shams was like... "I'm being told it's NOT the Lakers" :lol. Shams new the whole time it was the Spurs but coming out and saying it's the Spurs aint getting anyone any clicks so no point in doing it.

Either the Rockets will give the Suns some of their picks back and KD will go to Houston, or the Rockets won't give the Suns any of their picks back and KD will be in San Antonio. Anything else would be truly shocking.

[poopbox]

Windhorst doesn't know anything. He is just stanning for ESPN. At the beginning of the week he was trying to convince people the Knicks were a serious player.

Barnes is really the only role player I would hate to lose. Trade whoever else you want to trade from the friendship crew away. None of them are serious pieces on a contending Squad.

Ideally we trade 2 of the friendship crew for Durant and the other one in another trade. I wouldn't want to trade all our young players some other team is dumb enough to think might still be good in one deal.

[talkspurs]

Built not bought doesn't work when your player development staff sucks and all the coaches from back then work for other teams now


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We haven't really tried it. This also come into drafting. Alot of people think pop was good but we started falling off when Sam Presti Left for OKC who now are now doing well and have a bright long term team with them.

Also the take on all the stars seems to flame out more then it works and leaves teams much worse off. They are old injured and dont have assets. They go after name players instead of build a team. Last team to reallly trade for their team was Lakers and that was due to Covid or else they would not have won either I dont think. After that they have mostly been home grown. Adding on a few players works trying to get the big player may make you look good but often does not win. Look at the USA team great individuals but other teams can beat them.

We gave up 4 pcisk for fox and was an overpay. 3 if you dont count Charlotte. People keep talking about us having tons of picks but I dont think we have a single year where we have more then 1 first rd pick. We have lots of seconds but not many first.

[Mr. Body]

We haven't really tried it. This also come into drafting. Alot of people think pop was good but we started falling off when Sam Presti Left for OKC who now are now doing well and have a bright long term team with them.

Also the take on all the stars seems to flame out more then it works and leaves teams much worse off. They are old injured and dont have assets. They go after name players instead of build a team. Last team to reallly trade for their team was Lakers and that was due to Covid or else they would not have won either I dont think. After that they have mostly been home grown. Adding on a few players works trying to get the big player may make you look good but often does not win. Look at the USA team great individuals but other teams can beat them.

We gave up 4 pcisk for fox and was an overpay. 3 if you dont count Charlotte. People keep talking about us having tons of picks but I dont think we have a single year where we have more then 1 first rd pick. We have lots of seconds but not many first.

Since Presti left, the team won one championship and nearly two. OKC has won... zero. They might win this year, of course.

The fucking whining about Sam Presti on this forum is fucking abysmal.

[MaNu4Tres]

the only way the Spurs ain't getting Durant is if a team is willing to overpay for a 1-year rental. The only team that could do that is Miami. The Rockets already said that they are not willing to include draft capital in their offer. He's a Spur.

Durant isn't moving two more places.

His agent is making sure of that.

He's coming to San Antonio to finish his career and it will be for less than what people think because that's how leverage works.

[kht]

Barnes, Vassell and 14 is my absolute limit. Maybe substitute Keldon or Sochan for Barnes but that's it. Vassell is a great young piece for a guy that's 37 and wants out.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I'd rather not include Sochan, but if that's the deal the Spurs would still be 9.5 million under the cap. They could just go and trade Branham for a 14 million dollar contract and absorb it. Or Keldon for a 27 million dollar contract, which is the exact salary that John Collins makes if he opts in. I already know Brian Wright is out here playing 4D-chess.

After this Durant trade the Spurs will be over the cap.

[RC_Drunkford]

People are somehow not watching the NBA finals and seeing the MVP about to lead his team to a title a few years after being traded for Paul George. That's exactly what could happen with Harper.

He's in his 7th season. Do you want to start winning with Wemby when he's 28?


If so I'm out. Sucks the years alignment is off by one. If it was $120 million to play the next two years I'd be good with it since he and Fox would be the only big contracts on the team. But would be almost impossible to avoid the first apron in 27-28 when Victor is due an extension unless they started salary dumping guys. Only way I'm trading for KD now is if Brian has assurances the owners are good with being a first apron team for a year in 27-28. And even then I'd have trouble believing Dell and that hedge fund.

I doubt that's happening. He gon give the Spurs somewhat of a discount in that extension. Wemby, Castle plus Fox and KD on their max deals (which I think would be less) should still leave us with about 45 million in cap space.


We haven't really tried it. This also come into drafting. Alot of people think pop was good but we started falling off when Sam Presti Left for OKC who now are now doing well and have a bright long term team with them.

Also the take on all the stars seems to flame out more then it works and leaves teams much worse off. They are old injured and dont have assets. They go after name players instead of build a team. Last team to reallly trade for their team was Lakers and that was due to Covid or else they would not have won either I dont think. After that they have mostly been home grown. Adding on a few players works trying to get the big player may make you look good but often does not win. Look at the USA team great individuals but other teams can beat them.

The difference is these teams are overpaying to aquire stars. The Spurs are bargain shopping.


We gave up 4 pcisk for fox and was an overpay. 3 if you dont count Charlotte. People keep talking about us having tons of picks but I dont think we have a single year where we have more then 1 first rd pick. We have lots of seconds but not many first.

which is exactly why we will trade down from #2 and voila: future draft assets are back in stock


Can't wait for Fox/Castle/Vassell/Barnes/Wemby starting lineup on the opening night. :lol

100% guaranteed that won't happen


After this Durant trade the Spurs will be over the cap.

no they won't. They are 11 million under the cap right now, if they renounce all cap holds, which they will because none of the expiring contracts are back. If they trade Vassell/Barnes/Sochan they will still be under the cap by 9.5 million. Which is why I expected them to not include Sochan, so they can help Phoenix shave up their tax bill.

You also have to consider that the rookie contracts are not on the books yet. The Spurs can make all those moves and sign the rookies later, to then go over the cap and they would still have the MLE and the BAE available.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

no they won't. They are 11 million under the cap right now, if they renounce all cap holds, which they will because none of the expiring contracts are back. If they trade Vassell/Barnes/Sochan they will still be under the cap by 9.5 million. Which is why I expected them to not include Sochan, so they can help Phoenix shave up their tax bill.

You also have to consider that the rookie contracts are not on the books yet. The Spurs can make all those moves and sign the rookies later, to then go over the cap and they would still have the MLE and the BAE available.

This isn’t how the cap works at all.

The number 2 pick has a cap hold. It stays on the cap until the player is signed to his actual contract. Also there are roster charges for every empty roster spot up to a minimum of 12 until a player is signed. This is why the Spurs are indeed over the cap and they will operate as an over the cap team, as they should.

Teams also can’t use both cap space plus MLE and BAE, it’s either or. If they use cap space they have the room exception. There is no advantage for a team to operate below the cap with a number that is less than the MLE.

[RC_Drunkford]

Gambo is still saying he wants to go to the Spurs, which is exactly where he will go


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xUgjYGk-WA

[RC_Drunkford]

This isn’t how the cap works at all.

The number 2 pick has a cap hold. It stays on the cap until the player is signed to his actual contract. Also there are roster charges for every empty roster spot up to a minimum of 12 until a player is signed. This is why the Spurs are indeed over the cap and they will operate as an over the cap team, as they should.

Teams also can’t use both cap space plus MLE and BAE, it’s either or. If they use cap space they have the room exception. There is no advantage for a team to operate below the cap with a number that is less than the MLE.

that's weird because all trade machines show me that the Spurs can absorb 11.3 million once I renounce all expirings from last year plus 2 ways, which is why Vassell + Barnes would be enough salary for a KD trade

[spursistan]

Durant isn't moving two more places.

His agent is making sure of that.

He's coming to San Antonio to finish his career and it will be for less than what people think because that's how leverage works.
I hope so, but I'm afraid Giannis staying put will raise KD's market. Spurs should not go into bidding war for him. Rockets, maybe even Miami, will likely put better offers on the table (picks + extension money).

There is an urgency for the Spurs to make the playoffs next season but it not yet at a desperation level that makes you deplete your assets for 37-yo KD. We will be in the mix as it is with few marginal moves.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

that's weird because all trade machines show me that the Spurs can absorb 11.3 million once I renounce all expirings from last year plus 2 ways, which is why Vassell + Barnes would be enough salary for a KD trade

Sure but this isn’t because of cap space, it’s due to regular salary matching. Durant’s salary is less than 125% of the combined Vassell and Barnes, (plus 250k), so it works. Here the Spurs cap situation being clean allows flexibility, saves the Suns a ton of money, gets them below the second apron and also doesn’t get the Spurs over the first apron. So it’s all good.

[cutewizard]

Finally we shall have talent in our team.....

Wemby
Durant
Back up center
Fox
Castle
Harper

[Rocalcio]

https://x.com/mattgzman/status/1932847676179034140?s=46

Sochan wearing suns colors

Fiesta colors

[RC_Drunkford]

so there's a 3-team deal being discussed that sends KD to the Wolves and Randle to Houston. I'm not sure who the other players are. Suns apparently want Dillingham to be included. Also not sure if KD is out on Minny completely, he might be down to go there.

This would obviously involve a ton of cap gymnastics cause the Suns and T-Wolves are apron teams. Rockets would have to take on players and they might even need a 4th team like Utah or Brooklyn to get in and take on salary.

Why in hell would Houston want Randle and give up assets for him?

[LeBowen]

so there's a 3-team deal being discussed that sends KD to the Wolves and Randle to Houston. I'm not sure who the other players are. Suns apparently want Dillingham to be included. Also not sure if KD is out on Minny completely, he might be down to go there.

Randle to Houston makes no sense whatsoever.
Idk where are you getting these news and I think of you as a quality member, but you're really digging yourself deep with all of this fanfiction to the point where you wrote so many scenarios that something simply has to be true.

[RC_Drunkford]

Randle to Houston makes no sense whatsoever.
Idk where are you getting these news and I think of you as a quality member, but you're really digging yourself deep with all of this fanfiction to the point where you wrote so many scenarios that something simply has to be true.

well I'm just trying to find out what's on the table. Obviously front offices discuss multiple scenarios and not everything materializes. For example the Hawks insider said before Fox there was an ATL/Lakers/Spurs Trae Young deal on the table, but the Spurs didn't want to do it because they thought they would be giving up too much. They then later pivoted to Fox when he wanted out of Sacramento

I'm still consistent on the fact that the Spurs and KD have mutual interest and that the Spurs want to trade down from #2. All the other options depend on counter offers and other deals that might materialize. As far as I know KD told the Suns on tuesday he wants to go to San Antonio and the deal is in place. That doesn't mean the Suns can't work the phonelines and try to find a better deal.

[Knoxxx]

So to be clear Durant does not have a no trade clause. That seems like it would be the ideal situation. So the question is what will another team bid and will it be a stupid amount of assets. But, were KD to indicate he won’t likely sign again with that team (except SAS), I guess that means the lack of a no trade clause becomes mute. Or does it?

[LeBowen]

well I'm just trying to find out what's on the table. Obviously front offices discuss multiple scenarios and not everything materializes. For example the Hawks insider said before Fox there was an ATL/Lakers/Spurs Trae Young deal on the table, but the Spurs didn't want to do it because they thought they would be giving up too much. They then later pivoted to Fox when he wanted out of Sacramento

That one made some sense.
Where's the logic behind Randle to Houston?
Are you telling me they're trading Sengun even with Giannis off the table because Randle-Sengun duo would make no sense whatsoever.


Spurs want to trade down from #2.

This is just one of those fairytale reports with Spurs trying to bait someone into a ridiculous overpay which won't happen.

[RC_Drunkford]

I have no clue, but the Wolves might view this like the Raptors did with nephew. We were right there and take our chances on a 1-year rental.

The Rockets have absolutely nothing to gain out of this situation.

[sfernald]

I am just starting to really hope we don’t get in the Durant business. I think it’s going to cost a lot more than we all hope and it won’t go as well as planned anyway. I would rather improve around the margins with our draft picks and a few free agents or cheap trades. With healthy fox and Wemby and Harper in the fold we will be a playoff team. Let’s see what we can do. This isn’t nba 2k. We don’t need an all star in every position. We need gritty defenders and good three point shooters to put around our stars as the two finals teams have right now.

[exstatic]

I have no clue, but the Wolves might view this like the Raptors did with nephew. We were right there and take our chances on a 1-year rental.

The Rockets have absolutely nothing to gain out of this situation.

No one was really competing with TOR on that deal. I also am not sure how much KD helps TOR. Kawhi wasn’t 37 when he went there. They should probably wait for Giannis to eventually become dissatisfied.

[cd98]

He's in his 7th season. Do you want to start winning with Wemby when he's 28?



I doubt that's happening. He gon give the Spurs somewhat of a discount in that extension. Wemby, Castle plus Fox and KD on their max deals (which I think would be less) should still leave us with about 45 million in cap space.



The difference is these teams are overpaying to aquire stars. The Spurs are bargain shopping.



which is exactly why we will trade down from #2 and voila: future draft assets are back in stock



100% guaranteed that won't happen



no they won't. They are 11 million under the cap right now, if they renounce all cap holds, which they will because none of the expiring contracts are back. If they trade Vassell/Barnes/Sochan they will still be under the cap by 9.5 million. Which is why I expected them to not include Sochan, so they can help Phoenix shave up their tax bill.

You also have to consider that the rookie contracts are not on the books yet. The Spurs can make all those moves and sign the rookies later, to then go over the cap and they would still have the MLE and the BAE available.

Except Shai was traded to the Thunder on 2019 to a dead roster. They didn't get there two next best players, Holmgrom and Williams, until 2022, and Holmgrom didn't play until 2023. So even taking 2022, within 3 years of getting their second and third best players, they are in the finals. Wemby doesn't have to wait until 3 years to draft the next two best players on his team. If the Spurs draft Harper and trade for Durant, they are built for a deep playoff run next season, not when Wemby is 28. And without Durant, they'll get someone else in free agency and be a playoff team next year (assuming Wemby health) and probably contending in 3 years, which is right when Wemby is at the beginning of his prime.

[RC_Drunkford]

Except Shai was traded to the Thunder on 2019 to a dead roster. They didn't get there two next best players, Holmgrom and Williams, until 2022, and Holmgrom didn't play until 2023. So even taking 2022, within 3 years of getting their second and third best players, they are in the finals. Wemby doesn't have to wait until 3 years to draft the next two best players on his team. If the Spurs draft Harper and trade for Durant, they are built for a deep playoff run next season, not when Wemby is 28. And without Durant, they'll get someone else in free agency and be a playoff team next year (assuming Wemby health) and probably contending in 3 years, which is right when Wemby is at the beginning of his prime.

and on a max contract as well as Castle and the year after Harper is on a max and you're stuck with 4 max contracts and have to at least trade one of them...

[RC_Drunkford]

This is just one of those fairytale reports with Spurs trying to bait someone into a ridiculous overpay which won't happen.

fairytale huh?

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[LeBowen]

fairytale huh?

Yes, fairytale from random reporters.
As I said, I consider you to be a quality member, but if you continue pushing all of these random stories as the truth and it turns out you were wrong, you better be able to take the L afterwards.

[goliath]

so there's a 3-team deal being discussed that sends KD to the Wolves and Randle to Houston. I'm not sure who the other players are. Suns apparently want Dillingham to be included. Also not sure if KD is out on Minny completely, he might be down to go there.

This would obviously involve a ton of cap gymnastics cause the Suns and T-Wolves are apron teams. Rockets would have to take on players and they might even need a 4th team like Utah or Brooklyn to get in and take on salary.

Why in hell would Houston want Randle and give up assets for him?

Some random guy on twitter posted it. His follow up tweet also stated that it was contingent on KD wanting to go to minny and they weren’t certain he wanted to go. So really was a bunch of nothing

[rascal]

KD won't be traded to the Spurs.


The Spurs aren't going to want to trade enough to get him(What Phoenix will ask for) and they will see him not on the right timeline with the core of Harper, Wemby and Castle.
Spurs also like the prospects who will be available at 14 and aren't interested in trading Sochan.

Spurs are fine staying with the 2 and 14 picks and will make another trade to fill roster needs after/during the draft after they make the 2nd and 14th picks.

[RC_Drunkford]

KD won't be traded to the Spurs.


The Spurs aren't going to want to trade enough to get him(What Phoenix will ask for) and they will see him not on the right timeline with the core of Harper, Wemby and Castle.
Spurs also like the prospects who will be available at 14 and aren't interested in trading Sochan.

Spurs are fine staying with the 2 and 14 picks and will make another trade to fill roster needs after/during the draft after they make the 2nd and 14th picks.

keep dreaming. KD is coming and Dylan Harper ain't


Yes, fairytale from random reporters.
As I said, I consider you to be a quality member, but if you continue pushing all of these random stories as the truth and it turns out you were wrong, you better be able to take the L afterwards.

no problem. But I highly doubt I will be the one catching it.

[cd98]

and on a max contract as well as Castle and the year after Harper is on a max and you're stuck with 4 max contracts and have to at least trade one of them...

Well that's the problem that all teams have, including OKC starting this year. But you max Wemby and then you evaluate if the other guys are worthy of max contracts. If they are, then that's a good problem to have and you keep Castle and Harper and trade Fox and possibly get a draft pick and a cheaper player that can contribute.

[Ice009]

I'm not liking what I am hearing that the Spurs are looking to trade the number 2 pick. They better not think they're smarter than they are. What a stupid move that would be. No idea what would even be a good haul for that pick? What could they get that would make up trading that pick? Not even future picks could be as good as what would be the number 1 pick in some of the previous drafts. This pick just fell into their laps. Don't be stupid about this Spurs. DO NOT DO IT.

Why they want to pass up best pick available in that scenario which would be a number 1 pick in some of the previous drafts.

[fafo]

fairytale huh?

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Sixers called about the pick ≠ Spurs are trying to get rid of the pick.

[cd98]

76ers can engage in phone calls with Spurs all they want. It doesn't mean that the Spurs are considering any of their offers. Any GM will listen, but there are not any players the Spurs want on the 76ers and certainly makes no sense to trade down from a player with the skill set to be an all-NBA player for guys with more question marks.

[Ice009]

keep dreaming. KD is coming and Dylan Harper ain't



no problem. But I highly doubt I will be the one catching it.

This is the stupidest thing I've heard. Getting KD and trading the number 2 pick. What in the F#$% are the Spurs thinking. Get an older KD and draft Harper, OK, but get an older KD and trade the number 2 pick - NOT OK.

[LeBowen]

no problem. But I highly doubt I will be the one catching it.

Don Harris just posted a sitdown video with Holt about the new arena and then tweeted Spurs are guaranteed to take Harper. (I can't be bothered to embed tweets with spurstalk being on it's deathbed.)
What now?

You have to realize these people just farm engagement and noone knows shit.
Trading down from a guaranteed prospect like Harper goes against absolutely everything Spurs have done for 30 years, especially since Harper happens to be a point guard Wright has been dreaming of ever since he took over.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

This is the stupidest thing I've heard. Getting KD and trading the number 2 pick. What in the F#$% are the Spurs thinking. Get an older KD and draft Harper, OK, but get an older KD and trade the number 2 pick - NOT OK.

This isn't what the Spurs are thinking though. We don't know what they think.

This is an amalgamation of reports from Gambo (known Suns FO mouthpiece), KOC (known idiot) and Amico (known bullshitter), among others.

[exstatic]

fairytale huh?

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I can guarantee you that there are 28 teams calling the Spurs right now. From the Spurs perspective, this means nothing, just other teams doing their due diligence.

[fill in each of the other NBA teams not named Mavericks] have engaged the Spurs in discussions about the #2 pick.

[exstatic]

This isn't what the Spurs are thinking though. We don't know what they think.

This is an amalgamation of reports from Gambo (known Suns FO mouthpiece), KOC (known idiot) and Amico (known bullshitter), among others.

Sam Amico has made a living being mistaken for Sam Amick, a guy that sometimes gets something right.

[Ice009]

Sam Amico has made a living being mistaken for Sam Amick, a guy that sometimes gets something right.

So is Sam Amico not usually right at all and Sam Amick sometimes gets things right?

[CorrectCrusader]

You'd have to be disabled to not pick up the phone when others call, especially if it's the sixers.

[exstatic]

So is Sam Amico not usually right at all and Sam Amick sometimes gets things right?

Just relax and wait for draft night. No need to tie yourself up in knots over things that are unlikely to happen.

Here’s what I see happening on draft night:

Spurs draft and keep Harper with #2
Spurs move #14, Vassell, and some other contracts to PHO for KD

That’s it, the most Spurs draft night,ever.

People are always trying to stir shit up by picking at perceived flaws. There were people in 97 saying that SA already had a 7 footer, and should trade the rights to Duncan. There were people saying that Detroit shouldn’t select Dumars in the draft, because they already had Isaiah Thomas. Here’s the thing: ignore those people. Both of the above scenarios resulted in multiple championships. You draft the fucking high end talent,and you fucking figure out how to make it work.

[Manu20]

Just relax and wait for draft night. No need to tie yourself up in knots over things that are unlikely to happen.

Here’s what I see happening on draft night:

Spurs draft and keep Harper with #2
Spurs move #14, Vassell, and some other contracts to PHO for KD

That’s it, the most Spurs draft night,ever.

People are always trying to stir shit up by picking at perceived flaws. There were people in 97 saying that SA already had a 7 footer, and should trade the rights to Duncan. There were people saying that Detroit shouldn’t select Dumars in the draft, because they already had Isaiah Thomas. Here’s the thing: ignore those people. Both of the above scenarios resulted in multiple championships. You draft the fucking high end talent,and you fucking figure out how to make it work.

That is the way I see our Draft night ending up. The only way I see the Spurs trading away #2 pick is for a Giannis trade.

[Mr. Body]

I'm betting at this point that Durant is not going to happen and he'll go to Houston or wherever.

Harper 100% is a Spur.

50/50 or such whether the Spurs move up with the 14 or take it.

Or maybe move back, I guess. 50/50/50 lol.

[goliath]

Don Harris just posted a sitdown video with Holt about the new arena and then tweeted Spurs are guaranteed to take Harper. (I can't be bothered to embed tweets with spurstalk being on it's deathbed.)
What now?

You have to realize these people just farm engagement and noone knows shit.
Trading down from a guaranteed prospect like Harper goes against absolutely everything Spurs have done for 30 years, especially since Harper happens to be a point guard Wright has been dreaming of ever since he took over.

Jeff McDonald on the Spurs Insider podcast seemed confident the Spurs take Harper at #2 and almost called it a lock. Mike Finger on the podcast wouldn’t go that far but seemed fairly confident the Spurs keep #2 and draft Harper.

[td4mvp2k]

fairytale huh?

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Has to be third team involved if spurs were to trade with sixers

[cd98]

I'm betting at this point that Durant is not going to happen and he'll go to Houston or wherever.

Harper 100% is a Spur.

50/50 or such whether the Spurs move up with the 14 or take it.

Or maybe move back, I guess. 50/50/50 lol.

TBH, Durant will pick his team and the Suns will get as much assets as they can under the circumstances. If Durant wants to come to SA, then it's a done deal. If not, then he'll go somewhere else and the Spurs can shop around the league for another shooter.

[Mr. Body]

TBH, Durant will pick his team and the Suns will get as much assets as they can under the circumstances. If Durant wants to come to SA, then it's a done deal. If not, then he'll go somewhere else and the Spurs can shop around the league for another shooter.

I'm not sure I agree with this. Durant wants to be competitive but wants his money. Imo he'll be more than fine going to Houston. It's all about that extension.

[Knoxxx]

An interesting aspect to me is whether PHO would “dare” to ship KD somewhere he did not prefer.

[spurraider21]

Sam Amico has made a living being mistaken for Sam Amick, a guy that sometimes gets something right.
IRL central/centel

[spurraider21]

An interesting aspect to me is whether PHO would “dare” to ship KD somewhere he did not prefer.
of course they would, but the real question is if a team is willing to pull a Toronto and trade for a player knowing he has a foot out the door

[Mr. Body]

An interesting aspect to me is whether PHO would “dare” to ship KD somewhere he did not prefer.

Probably something like this...

Hey Kev we have assets lined up to send you to Houston and they will extend you.

Okay.

[cd98]

I'm not sure I agree with this. Durant wants to be competitive but wants his money. Imo he'll be more than fine going to Houston. It's all about that extension.

Spurs have the money to pay Durant and he would have more talented teammates in Houston. I think he wants San Antonio and I'm sure the Spurs would extend him if he came here otherwise the 14th pick and Vassell definitely would not be on the table for a one-year rental.

[cd98]

Spurs have the money to pay Durant and he would have more talented teammates in Houston. I think he wants San Antonio and I'm sure the Spurs would extend him if he came here otherwise the 14th pick and Vassell definitely would not be on the table for a one-year rental.

I mean he would have more talented teammates in SA than Houston. Wemby and Fox should be enough, not to mention Castle and Harper being other talent he would probably want to play with and he's down the street from UT and likely plays a few games in Austin for good measure.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs have the money to pay Durant and he would have more talented teammates in Houston. I think he wants San Antonio and I'm sure the Spurs would extend him if he came here otherwise the 14th pick and Vassell definitely would not be on the table for a one-year rental.

I agree. Just saying that too much stock is being put into him forcing San Antonio or only wanting here.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs have the money to pay Durant and he would have more talented teammates in Houston. I think he wants San Antonio and I'm sure the Spurs would extend him if he came here otherwise the 14th pick and Vassell definitely would not be on the table for a one-year rental.

I agree. Just saying that too much stock is being put into him forcing San Antonio or only wanting here.

[exstatic]

of course they would, but the real question is if a team is willing to pull a Toronto and trade for a player knowing he has a foot out the door

His agent has the second most NBA clients behind Klutch. I’m not sure I’d want to piss him off to try to monetize a 37 YO on an ending contract. I think they’ll just take 14, Spurs contracts, and the L.

[baseline bum]

Don Harris just posted a sitdown video with Holt about the new arena and then tweeted Spurs are guaranteed to take Harper. (I can't be bothered to embed tweets with spurstalk being on it's deathbed.)
What now?

You have to realize these people just farm engagement and noone knows shit.
Trading down from a guaranteed prospect like Harper goes against absolutely everything Spurs have done for 30 years, especially since Harper happens to be a point guard Wright has been dreaming of ever since he took over.

All we hear all year is the Spurs are focused on improving themselves in the 2025 draft. Then they get the #2 pick with a star level talent available and they piss it away for John Collins and a bag of magic beans?

[spurs10]

Yes I'm glad to hear the obvious call that Harper is coming here. The Durant dilemma is an interesting one. Who are they eying for #14? What's left in the tank for Durant, certainly not more than a season or so.

[lefty]

“Magic had a high basketball IQ as a player”

:lol I’m starting to think it waa all Pat Riley

Magic thinks TOSB KD will increase the Knicks pace

https://x.com/getupespn/status/1933163143900905612

[scottspurs]

Sources: Spurs Unlikely to Land Kevin Durant, Expected to Pick Harper at No. 2
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Jun 12, 2025, 7:09 PM


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Kevin Durant #35 of the Phoenix Suns drives against Dillon Brooks #9 of the Houston Rockets (Photo by Kenneth Richmond/Getty Images)


The San Antonio Spurs remain active in offseason discussions, but league sources tell RG there is increasing doubt the team will ultimately land Kevin Durant (https://rg.org/news/basketball/best-trade-options-for-kevin-durant) via trade — and the present expectation is that the Spurs will use the No. 2 overall pick in the NBA Draft to select Dylan Harper, barring a surprise development.
Sources stress that the situation remains fluid less than two weeks before the NBA Draft, but as of June 12, doubt is increasing that Durant will land in San Antonio and there appears to be no clear traction.
While the Spurs have continued to be one of the teams linked to Durant, league observers question whether there is enough potential alignment between the Spurs and Suns on a possible trade.
Many around the league also believe the Spurs have valued Giannis Antetokounmpo (https://rg.org/news/basketball/trade-suitors-are-monitoring-closely-giannis-antetokounmpo) higher than Durant on their trade board, but there has been a lack of momentum surrounding Antetokounmpo’s potential availability. Given Durant’s age not aligning with Wembanyama’s timeline, league observers expect the Spurs to remain cautious about potential trade compensation.
Focus on Dylan HarperWith the No. 2 pick, the Spurs are expected to select Harper, widely viewed (https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nba/boston-celtics/dylan-harper-scouting-report-2025-nba-draft/711829/#:~:text=Rutgers%20guard%20Dylan%20Harper%20curren tly,way%20guard%20in%20the%20NBA.) as the top guard prospect in the 2025 NBA Draft class behind projected No. 1 pick Cooper Flagg (https://rg.org/news/basketball/trainer-mavericks-only-team-cooper-flagg-will-visit-pre-draft).
Early in the draft process, some rival teams wondered whether San Antonio might consider trading back, given the presence of De’Aaron Fox, Devin Vassell, and Stephon Castle in its backcourt. However, sources tell RG that the Spurs are comfortable staying at No. 2 and selecting Harper as the best player available.
“The current read right now is that they’re just going to take the best player available and deal with any positional questions after that,” one source said.
Trade Discussions With the Philadelphia 76ersWhile reports have emerged that the Philadelphia 76ers have had exploratory talks regarding a possible swap of the No. 2 and No. 3 picks, sources who have spoken with RG believe those discussions are more about intel gathering than serious momentum.

“For now, it’s more due diligence than anything,” one source told RG.
The Spurs’ approach could still shift depending on how the trade market evolves ahead of the draft and into July. But for now, the expectation remains that the franchise will continue building around Wembanyama through a mix of young talent and future flexibility — with Harper currently viewed as the likely addition at No. 2.
“It’s early. Things change fast this time of year,” one source said. “But right now, the expectation is Harper is going to San Antonio.”


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Source: RG.org (https://rg.org/news/basketball/sources-spurs-unlikely-to-land-kevin-durant-pick-harper-no-2)

[Mr. Body]

Phoenix is probably asking for too much for Durant, like Sochan or additional picks.

[RC_Drunkford]

Don Harris just posted a sitdown video with Holt about the new arena and then tweeted Spurs are guaranteed to take Harper. (I can't be bothered to embed tweets with spurstalk being on it's deathbed.)
What now?

You have to realize these people just farm engagement and noone knows shit.
Trading down from a guaranteed prospect like Harper goes against absolutely everything Spurs have done for 30 years, especially since Harper happens to be a point guard Wright has been dreaming of ever since he took over.

Yes, but it would also mean that Fox' replacement is already on the roster. By the way, I'm all for drafting Harper, because I don't trust Brian Wright's drafting outside of the obvious top 5.

[TD 21]

One thing to keep in mind with this notion of the Spurs not having many "extra" 1sts left, is either Harper or Fox essentially account for multiple since it's a virtual lock one will not be here in probably two seasons.

[exstatic]

Yes, but it would also mean that Fox' replacement is already on the roster. By the way, I'm all for drafting Harper, because I don't trust Brian Wright's drafting outside of the obvious top 5.

So? It would also mean we have the killer guard corps capable of taking down OKC. If you’re too proud, or insecure to be a part of that, we can sign you to an extension, and show you the door next summer. Otherwise, hang on for an exciting 4 year ride.

The reality is, even if we trade down, that player will eventually be the money that forces Fox out. It’s not just positional.

[exstatic]

One thing to keep in mind with this notion of the Spurs not having many "extra" 1sts left, is either Harper or Fox essentially account for multiple since it's a virtual lock one will not be here in probably two seasons.

There’s no reason to move Fox any sooner than 4 full seasons. That’s when Harper’s extension would kick in. Give him a couple of shots at a ring, then find him a soft landing somewhere.

[TD 21]

There’s no reason to move Fox any sooner than 4 full seasons. That’s when Harper’s extension would kick in. Give him a couple of shots at a ring, then find him a soft landing somewhere.

It's naive to think all parties are going to play nice for 4 seasons. Maybe if Harper looks rookie Henderson level bad, but if he looks on track to be even close to projected, I'd be surprised if this doesn't boil over in a few years.

[Mr. Body]

It's naive to think all parties are going to play nice for 4 seasons. Maybe if Harper looks rookie Henderson level bad, but if he looks on track to be even close to projected, I'd be surprised if this doesn't boil over in a few years.

There's no way you can keep Harper on the bench for four seasons. Or Castle. You have to trade one of them. They'll be busting for a trade.

[cd98]

We'll see. Toronto is unlikely because 37-year old Durant is not the same as Kawhi in his prime. Toronto took a chance that they could get Kawhi and he would like it and stay and while they didn't convince him to stay, they did win a championship and they gave up very little for the one year rental. Toronto wouldn't give up a bunch of assets for a one year rental of Durant, especially because once they given that 37-year old Durant ain't leading them to a title.

Doesn't matter what Suns want for Durant, the only teams that can give them a good return are Houston and San Antonio and Durant will chose between those two. Suns can posture and make high demands and teams will turn away, but as a second apron team that has no title hopes, they can't afford to keep Durant and they can't afford to play him this season and have him get injured and lose all trade value or have him play out his contract next season and walk in free agency. They HAVE TO TRADE him and they will take the best deal they can get.

[CGD]

fairytale huh?

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Just for shits and giggles, what do you think it would take? I assume at 3 the Spurs take VJ.

[objective]

If they're not 100% serious about taking Harper then they better hurry and start working out some of these other highly mocked guys like immediately.

Don't want to them to play cute and draft a guy they never spent much time with only to get a Primo surprise

[dn0774]

Phoenix is probably asking for too much for Durant, like Sochan or additional picks.

I’m intrigued in Durant if the price is Vassell/Barnes/14. Anything beyond that (besides some 2nds) and I would just move on. Hell, just shop that package around to other teams too if the Suns are being coy. Maybe that package gets PJ Washington/Gafford or TM3 or something. Either way, Vassell needs to be shopped hard as there just isn’t theoretical playing time for him if we take Harper.

[cd98]

Spurs will start Harper, Castle, and Fox. Then they will stagger their minutes such that Harper probably gets backup point guard minutes and then shooting guard starter minutes. Castle will be a secondary creator and play the small forward, but he must be able to shoot threes next season. Fox will be the lead guard, but I don't see him here in 3 seasons. If Harper is the real deal, they will trade Fox while he is still in his prime for first round picks and start Harper. Or it may be Castle who goes if he can't develop a consistent 3 point shot.

[exstatic]

There's no way you can keep Harper on the bench for four seasons. Or Castle. You have to trade one of them. They'll be busting for a trade.

No need. Castle can easily play the three when Harper is ready to start.

[spurraider21]

fox is 27 right now. if the spurs sign him to a 4 year extension, he will be under spurs control through his age 31-32 season. basically we're going to have him for his entire prime and his contract runs out right around the time you start to expect guys of his caliber to decline

some people here are talking about fox like he is already 31 and we need to be looking ahead already

admittedly theres not much clarity as far as how fox/castle/harper would balance out, but you figure that out later. maybe one of them busts. maybe one of them gets hurt. or you figure out which combo of those guys best mesh with wemby going forward and you make a trade in 2 years. there's no rush when you are adding this type of talent

[TD 21]

No need. Castle can easily play the three when Harper is ready to start.

I also don't think we'll ever see that alignment. If Vassell is traded, I expect Champagnie or someone not currently on the roster but of their ilk to start at the three and for Harper to be the 6th man in a mostly three guard rotation.

[Arguendo]

This is where I am, I'd be happy with Vassell + #14 and matching K, plus mediocre 2nds to get it done, but not multiple firsts. If Rockets wanna overpay, I'm fine with that. I think he's a better fit here as a Seguin and KD front court doesn't scare me the way a Wemby/KD one would. And if they trade for KD, odds of Adams walking go (way) up and I'd loved him as our backup.
Spurs aren't desperate for KD, in no rush, don't overpay. Happy if it happens at the right price, not loosing any sleep if we are outbid.

[KobesAchilles]

I mean if Harper and Castle (big ifs for both seeing as nobody on our team seems like they can learn to shoot under this new shooting coach) ever learn how to shoot the 3 ball then we can easily start both. That’s not the issue.

The issue comes down to shots though. Wemby should be getting about 18 shots a game. That’s leaves about 15 for our 2nd option and about 13 for our 3rd option. That’s leaves 4th option though is only going to get about 9 shots a game. And we can’t justify Fox making 55 million shooting 9 times a game so he won’t be the 4th option. So that leaves either Castle or Harper as taking the backseat on a contract year.

Fox just has to go in year 3 of the extension if both Castle and Harper pan out.

[cd98]

I mean if Harper and Castle (big ifs for both seeing as nobody on our team seems like they can learn to shoot under this new shooting coach) ever learn how to shoot the 3 ball then we can easily start both. That’s not the issue.

The issue comes down to shots though. Wemby should be getting about 18 shots a game. That’s leaves about 15 for our 2nd option and about 13 for our 3rd option. That’s leaves 4th option though is only going to get about 9 shots a game. And we can’t justify Fox making 55 million shooting 9 times a game so he won’t be the 4th option. So that leaves either Castle or Harper as taking the backseat on a contract year.

Fox just has to go in year 3 of the extension if both Castle and Harper pan out.

I agree for the most part. I think the players to get the most shots are the ones that earn them. So how many shots Harper and Castle get will depend on how well they play. If they both turn into studs, then the Spurs can trade Fox. They may trade him in two years when he still has the potential for a first round pick if both Castle and Harper become consistent scorers and playmakers.

[tbdog]

I agree for the most part. I think the players to get the most shots are the ones that earn them. So how many shots Harper and Castle get will depend on how well they play. If they both turn into studs, then the Spurs can trade Fox. They may trade him in two years when he still has the potential for a first round pick if both Castle and Harper become consistent scorers and playmakers.

Another issue is the trade value. It's more likely that the trade value of Castle, Fox, Harper will go down if the fits not there.

[BatManu20]

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[Mugen]

Tank that value, KD.

[benefactor]

Welcome to SA, KD.

[mudyez]

Enough of this nonsense.

I can't wait for the draft.

Just hope webkeepnit simple: Draft Harper, hope for Fleming or another big at #14 and if nothings weblike is available there, trade the pick (+ possibly Vassell) for future stuff, stach someone at #38

[cd98]

Another issue is the trade value. It's more likely that the trade value of Castle, Fox, Harper will go down if the fits not there.

Well Fox already has established his value in the league. I think there is room for all these guys to get their shots and show their chops as defenders and playmakers. I mean, there minutes will stagger so there will be times when Castle is the man and times where Fox is the man, and where Harper is the man. In those minutes, they will establish their value. It's not unheard of if they become an elite offensive team to have 4 players in double figure points.

[3&D_TBH]

Just heard the guys on the latest no ceilings podcast (released an hour ago) imply that KD just bought a house in S.A. Sounds like a dine deal.

[Dejounte]

Just heard the guys on the latest no ceilings podcast (released an hour ago) imply that KD just bought a house in S.A. Sounds like a dine deal.

https://www.youtube.com/live/IFIuaBs9mkA?feature=shared
this one?

find a link asap if not

[scottspurs]

Just heard the guys on the latest no ceilings podcast (released an hour ago) imply that KD just bought a house in S.A. Sounds like a dine deal.

I watched the podcast and they were clearly joking. They have no intel. The price for KD is getting super high. Spurs are out for now.

[Guru of Nothing]

Still on board with Vassell, Barnes, and #14 for Durant. Don't really want to offer another first (2 FRPs total), but it's interesting to think about possibly driving up Houston's winning bid by doing so.

[3&D_TBH]

I watched the podcast and they were clearly joking. They have no intel. The price for KD is getting super high. Spurs are out for now. Maybe. Didn’t sound that way to me tho.

[Mr. Body]

It would be a little nuts for KD to have bought a house already, or at all, without a trade being made and only appearing in the last week or so.

[3&D_TBH]

Hard to tell what to believe tbh. Would def helping our shooting woes but we’d be fine without losing those assets as well. Spurs are betting favs to land him as well. Lol

[Jordan Jackson]

Spurs front office sent out their PR Team at SAEN to prepare fans this is probably not happening. He really wants to be in Texas it seems though. Houston seems desperate enough. Probably good match.

[cd98]

Ignore the price people keep saying, listen to Zach Lowe’s podcast. He talks about it. Suns aren’t getting multiple firsts. It’s probably between Houston and SA and where Durant wants to play. But Suns will not get back what they paid for Durant. Book it.

[rascal]

Spurs front office sent out their PR Team at SAEN to prepare fans this is probably not happening. He really wants to be in Texas it seems though. Houston seems desperate enough. Probably good match.

Yes

I can see the Rockets making the trade for Durant with a package revolving around Jabari Smith and the 10th pick.

Rockets are in a position to believe Durant will be the one who can take them over the top.

[rascal]

Spurs front office sent out their PR Team at SAEN to prepare fans this is probably not happening. He really wants to be in Texas it seems though. Houston seems desperate enough. Probably good match.

Yes

I can see the Rockets making the trade for Durant with a package revolving around Jabari Smith and the 10th pick.

Rockets are in a position to believe Durant will be the one who can take them over the top.

[Ice009]

Just heard the guys on the latest no ceilings podcast (released an hour ago) imply that KD just bought a house in S.A. Sounds like a dine deal.

Is it the podcast that Dejounte linked to? If so, what time was this mentioned at? I don't want to watch the whole thing.

[Maddog]

Although the “situation remains fluid,” there’s growing skepticism that the Spurs will acquire Durant, with “no clear traction” on a deal, league sources tell Grant Afseth of RG.org.

According to Afseth, league insiders have doubts about the fit of Durant, who turns in 37 years old in September, joining a young, up-and-coming team in San Antonio. Afseth suggests the Spurs may be reluctant to meet the Suns’ asking price for Durant.


https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/06/latest-on-kevin-durant-20.html

[CGD]

Although the “situation remains fluid,” there’s growing skepticism that the Spurs will acquire Durant, with “no clear traction” on a deal, league sources tell Grant Afseth of RG.org.

According to Afseth, league insiders have doubts about the fit of Durant, who turns in 37 years old in September, joining a young, up-and-coming team in San Antonio. Afseth suggests the Spurs may be reluctant to meet the Suns’ asking price for Durant.


https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/06/latest-on-kevin-durant-20.html

I mean the fit is not the issue. This starting like up would be sick:

Fox-Vassell-Castle-KD-Wemby
(Harper in reserve)

It’s the price.

[RC_Drunkford]

Just for shits and giggles, what do you think it would take? I assume at 3 the Spurs take VJ.

3 picks or the Spurs ain't moving, since Philly really has no players we'd want. I'd say they take Bailey if KD is coming. Would be a good mentor. I'd rather fleece NOLA for #5 though.


Spurs will start Harper, Castle, and Fox. Then they will stagger their minutes such that Harper probably gets backup point guard minutes and then shooting guard starter minutes. Castle will be a secondary creator and play the small forward, but he must be able to shoot threes next season. Fox will be the lead guard, but I don't see him here in 3 seasons. If Harper is the real deal, they will trade Fox while he is still in his prime for first round picks and start Harper. Or it may be Castle who goes if he can't develop a consistent 3 point shot.

not possible, you can't start 2 bad 3-point shooters and a mediocre one. That messes your spacing up. Starting Fox and Castle already means your other 3 players have to be absolute 3-point snipers.

[RC_Drunkford]

He's coming to San Antonio. Suns are just trying to drive the price up and as Gambo said, most of these reports are false. KD wants to be close to Austin because he's investing in an WNBA expansion team there. If RC Buford set up the Austin game against the Suns in particular to persuade KD to come back to Texas, he's a genius.

[cutewizard]

Some difficulties with the site lately......

hard to post

[cd98]

3 picks or the Spurs ain't moving, since Philly really has no players we'd want. I'd say they take Bailey if KD is coming. Would be a good mentor. I'd rather fleece NOLA for #5 though.



not possible, you can't start 2 bad 3-point shooters and a mediocre one. That messes your spacing up. Starting Fox and Castle already means your other 3 players have to be absolute 3-point snipers.

Fox isn't a bad 3 point shooter, he's just not elite. Let's see how Castle looks after his offseason training before we decide he can't be a good three point shooter. There is no rush here and Harper is the better prospect, so if Castle can't improve his three point shooting, they'll just trade him.

[Chillen]

He's coming to San Antonio. Suns are just trying to drive the price up and as Gambo said, most of these reports are false. KD wants to be close to Austin because he's investing in an WNBA expansion team there. If RC Buford set up the Austin game against the Suns in particular to persuade KD to come back to Texas, he's a genius.

I hope so but this is far from a done deal. Just takes one stupid owner to make some crazy offer for a 1 year KD rental.

[Dverde]

I would lottery protect any pick outside of #14 for KD. If the pick is that high it means KD probably got hurt and wasn’t worth his crazy high salary.

[Dverde]

https://img-asmedia-epimg-net.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/img.asmedia.epimg.net/resizer/v2/S6373IHC2ZKV5ADZDSR5LRROWA.jpg?auth=a0ae05a59ca90f ca9447617480bb76fd17daf6e85f0735ae18fea5e03204be0d&width=1200&height=675&smart=true

[couchman]

My read of the current situation:
Spurs and Suns are close on a deal for KD / 14, Vassell and other role players.
Giannis news comes out that he may stay in Milwaukee, making KD the marquee trade target for the league.
Suns try to up the bid(s) for Durant, putting it out there that they want a similar haul to what they paid for him.
Spurs don’t bite and are standing firm on the original offer, putting it out there that maybe a deal won’t happen at all.
It all now depends on the Rockets and if any other team is willing to make a better offer.
The Suns have to trade him. If we remain the best offer on draft night he’s ours.

[Ice009]

My read of the current situation:
Spurs and Suns are close on a deal for KD / 14, Vassell and other role players.
Giannis news comes out that he may stay in Milwaukee, making KD the marquee trade target for the league.
Suns try to up the bid(s) for Durant, putting it out there that they want a similar haul to what they paid for him.
Spurs don’t bite and are standing firm on the original offer, putting it out there that maybe a deal won’t happen at all.
It all now depends on the Rockets and if any other team is willing to make a better offer.
The Suns have to trade him. If we remain the best offer on draft night he’s ours.

very plausible list of events you've outlaid there. I wouldn't be surprised if that is close to what is going on. With word of Giannis looking to stay, it might have made the Suns up the asking price and now the Spurs could be out. I wouldn't be willing to give up anymore for him and if Houston or someone comes with a better offer, I guess that sucks for the Spurs/us.

[RC_Drunkford]

Word is the Spurs are not even trying to include the #14 pick in the KD trade :lol

Brian Wright trying to fleece teams again. If he pulls this off he‘s the illest GM in the league

[Leetonidas]

Yeah idk I'm starting to think the KD thing isn't happening. Guess we'll see. I won't be too upset either way

[Teamduncan21]

Yeah idk I'm starting to think the KD thing isn't happening. Guess we'll see. I won't be too upset either way


That's probably how weight felt. If it's cheap. Sure. But if it's not, he's not gonna lose sleep over it

[Seventyniner]

Word is the Spurs are not even trying to include the #14 pick in the KD trade :lol

Brian Wright trying to fleece teams again. If he pulls this off he‘s the illest GM in the league

The Spurs would send no firsts at all, or just one in the future?

Getting KD for something like Vassell + Barnes + SA29 + seconds would be insane. KD would be gone by 2029 but SA29 would still rate to be a pick in the 20s.

[Mr. Body]

Word is the Spurs are not even trying to include the #14 pick in the KD trade :lol

Brian Wright trying to fleece teams again. If he pulls this off he‘s the illest GM in the league

"We got 17 second round picks, bro. How many of those do you want?"

[Ice009]

Wow, don't think we're getting KD without including the 14th pick. Man, B Wright ain't one to give away picks (even for all-nba level players). I wonder what angle he's using/telling Phoenix to try and get it done without that pick.

[Mr. Body]

Wow, don't think we're getting KD without including the 14th pick. Man, B Wright ain't one to give away picks (even for all-nba level players). I wonder what angle he's using/telling Phoenix to try and get it done without that pick.

"We're getting you under the second apron AND we have to pay this guy his enormous extension. We're doing YOU a favor."

[thOOdee]

https://www.chron.com/sports/rockets/article/rockets-kevin-durant-trade-20373724.php

Interesting read of the rockets options. Looking at things pragmatically, I'm sure most here would agree spurs are not going to overpay, and because of that, I don't think they'll have enough to get the job done.

A Rockets 10 pick and jabari smith(+fillers), I can see maybe the spurs squeaking it if Durant actually is adamant about going to san antonio, but I just don't see him doing that. Plus it would allow for a stronger rotation if they get to keep phx future picks. If built right, that would definitely be a championship cailiber rockets team.

Also, I could see the Rockets even willing to let go of another first round pick of phx's (2027 or 2029), to get the deal done. Odds are looking low for the spurs.

[Mr. Body]

https://www.chron.com/sports/rockets/article/rockets-kevin-durant-trade-20373724.php

Interesting read of the rockets options. Looking at things pragmatically, I'm sure most here would agree spurs are not going to overpay, and because of that, I don't think they'll have enough to get the job done.

A Rockets 10 pick and jabari smith(+fillers), I can see maybe the spurs squeaking it if Durant actually is adamant about going to san antonio, but I just don't see him doing that. Plus it would allow for a stronger rotation if they get to keep phx future picks. If built right, that would definitely be a championship cailiber rockets team.

Also, I could see the Rockets even willing to let go of another first round pick of phx's (2027 or 2029), to get the deal done. Odds are looking low for the spurs.

I do think it might wind up something like Jabari + 10, but the salaries don't match. Jalen Green or like FVV need to be included and that's trouble for Phoenix salary-wise. This is probably why the Spurs are being dicks about it and pulling that 14 back. That Harrison Barnes expiring is the key here.

[Ice009]

"We're getting you under the second apron AND we have to pay this guy his enormous extension. We're doing YOU a favor."

If Brian Wright somehow pulls it off, he's got some big balls. I'd feel a bit embarrassed asking if it was me in his spot not offering the 14th pick as well as the players to go along with it.


https://www.chron.com/sports/rockets/article/rockets-kevin-durant-trade-20373724.php

Interesting read of the rockets options. Looking at things pragmatically, I'm sure most here would agree spurs are not going to overpay, and because of that, I don't think they'll have enough to get the job done.

A Rockets 10 pick and jabari smith(+fillers), I can see maybe the spurs squeaking it if Durant actually is adamant about going to san antonio, but I just don't see him doing that. Plus it would allow for a stronger rotation if they get to keep phx future picks. If built right, that would definitely be a championship cailiber rockets team.

Also, I could see the Rockets even willing to let go of another first round pick of phx's (2027 or 2029), to get the deal done. Odds are looking low for the spurs.

Yeah, I think the Rockets can beat the Spurs offer if they want to. Like you said, unless KD says he wants Spurs only, not sure the Spurs can beat a Rockets offer if they up their offer.

I'm still holding out the slightest of hope that Cooper tells the Mavs he doesn't want to play for them and wants to go to the Spurs instead.

[Mr. Body]

I do think it might wind up something like Jabari + 10, but the salaries don't match. Jalen Green or like FVV need to be included and that's trouble for Phoenix salary-wise. This is probably why the Spurs are being dicks about it and pulling that 14 back. That Harrison Barnes expiring is the key here.

I think I'm wrong here. FVV is on an expiring team option. It could be Jabari + FVV + 10? And Phoenix sheds tons of salary by declining FVV? I don't think Houston wants to los Van Vleet though. I think it could be Jabari + Dillon Brooks + 10 + some more filler.

[Blizzardwizard]

Although the “situation remains fluid,” there’s growing skepticism that the Spurs will acquire Durant, with “no clear traction” on a deal, league sources tell Grant Afseth of RG.org.

According to Afseth, league insiders have doubts about the fit of Durant, who turns in 37 years old in September, joining a young, up-and-coming team in San Antonio. Afseth suggests the Spurs may be reluctant to meet the Suns’ asking price for Durant.


https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/06/latest-on-kevin-durant-20.html


This match the direction of travel in a lot of recent reporting. Durant would almost certainly greenlight going to SAS but not sure PATFO are willing to meet the PHX price.


Seems like there are now more serious suitors than PATFO had initially anticipated or hoped with MIA, NYK and MIN all potentially in play as well as HOU.


We all know PATFO don't do bidding wars. They acquired Fox because the player singled SAS out and drove away other potential suitors.


Difference this time is that Durant would presumably be fine with at least a couple other landing spots. Enough that PATFO would probably have to overpay to acquire him.


Might be time to move on from this. Somebody kick-start a 60-page thread on John Collins or Cam Johnson.

[djohn2oo8]

https://www.chron.com/sports/rockets/article/rockets-kevin-durant-trade-20373724.php

Interesting read of the rockets options. Looking at things pragmatically, I'm sure most here would agree spurs are not going to overpay, and because of that, I don't think they'll have enough to get the job done.

A Rockets 10 pick and jabari smith(+fillers), I can see maybe the spurs squeaking it if Durant actually is adamant about going to san antonio, but I just don't see him doing that. Plus it would allow for a stronger rotation if they get to keep phx future picks. If built right, that would definitely be a championship cailiber rockets team.

Also, I could see the Rockets even willing to let go of another first round pick of phx's (2027 or 2029), to get the deal done. Odds are looking low for the spurs.
Rockets really don’t have to overpay. If they want their other picks back Booker better be in the deal too.

[Spurs Homer]

I would be immediately disqualified to be even considered as an NBA GM...

because I would not let go of either Barnes or Sochan for Durant...
I would hate to even give up #14 - but would begrudgingly give up #14, Vassell and maybe a trio of barbacoa tacos...
but if not id pass ...

i would also bet $$ that Barnes will probably have a better season than KD and would play twice as many games as KD -

but that is just how unqualified i am...

[rascal]

No need. Castle can easily play the three when Harper is ready to start.

You can keep two of them in the game all game long and at times play all three together. That would give the Spurs a tremendous advantage in the backcourt against anyone in the league.

There are plenty of minutes to give all of them enough total game time on the court.

[Blizzardwizard]

This match the direction of travel in a lot of recent reporting. Durant would almost certainly greenlight going to SAS but not sure PATFO are willing to meet the PHX price.


Seems like there are now more serious suitors than PATFO had initially anticipated or hoped with MIA, NYK and MIN all potentially in play as well as HOU.


We all know PATFO don't do bidding wars. They acquired Fox because the player singled SAS out and drove away other potential suitors.


Difference this time is that Durant would presumably be fine with at least a couple other landing spots. Enough that PATFO would probably have to overpay to acquire him.


Might be time to move on from this. Somebody kick-start a 60-page thread on John Collins or Cam Johnson.



And now Shams just name-dropped HOU, MIA and MIN as the focus of Durant trade conversations.


Yeah it's over people. Shut this one down.

[Jordan Jackson]

I hope so but this is far from a done deal. Just takes one stupid owner to make some crazy offer for a 1 year KD rental.

Shams is saying Wolves/Houston/Miami most aggressive and working with Suns. Nets would be a facilitator in a deal.

To be honest, right now, teams are engaged in “keep away”. Teams are doing whatever possible to ensure he doesn’t land in SA. The Spurs/Wemby tax is a real thing.

[BatManu20]

Sounds like PATFO may have backed out due to the asking price being too high. What a tease.

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[SpursFan86]

Yeah Shams reported that Houston/Minnesota are the 2 main teams with traction right now. Possible Spurs are just being super low key but starting to feel like momentum is shifting away from KD coming here.

Not wildly disappointing, but I do think it would’ve been very exciting to bring in someone like KD for the original packages we were mostly discussing. If we don’t use 14 to land KD then I hope we at least use it this year rather than trading out of it.

[Chillen]

Bottom line is if those other teams offering more than Spurs than if Spurs say we offer #2 and #14 than there is no way Suns would turn that down. I don't think Spurs would offer #2 but to get Durant that might be what it takes.

[spurraider21]

its disappointing to the extent we thought the rumored package of 14 + Vassell + Barnes was going to be agreeable in the first place, which may never have been a thing