Phoenix Suns expect to part ways with Kevin Durant this offseason. Could the Spurs be a good landing place?

[CorrectCrusader]

Kevin Pelton from ESPN just dropped and insider piece with information on the Spurs.

He says the Spurs offer for Durant is Harrison Barnes, Keldon Johnson, Blake Wesley, Malaki Branham, pick 14 and 2027 hawks 1st

He says the Spurs value Devin Vassell’s shooting and that they would like to keep him or he may be involved in another transaction.

If we can get KD for that, absolute steal.

[mo7888]

Kevin Pelton from ESPN just dropped and insider piece with information on the Spurs.

He says the Spurs offer for Durant is Harrison Barnes, Keldon Johnson, Blake Wesley, Malaki Branham, pick 14 and 2027 hawks 1st

He says the Spurs value Devin Vassell’s shooting and that they would like to keep him or he may be involved in another transaction.

That's interesting... I personally wouldn't offer the Atl pick, but i can understand why we'd do that. Phoenix should take that deal. They aren't getting a good unprotected pick anywhere else. I do wonder how plugged in Pelton is though? I've never known him to be a breaking news kind of guy.

[scottspurs]

Also says the Spurs are locked into picking Dylan Harper with the 2nd pick. Like it’s a done deal

[Uriel]

Kevin Pelton from ESPN just dropped and insider piece with information on the Spurs.

He says the Spurs offer for Durant is Harrison Barnes, Keldon Johnson, Blake Wesley, Malaki Branham, pick 14 and 2027 hawks 1st

He says the Spurs value Devin Vassell’s shooting and that they would like to keep him or he may be involved in another transaction.
That’s his trade proposal, not an actual offer the Spurs made.

[CorrectCrusader]

That's interesting... I personally wouldn't offer the Atl pick, but i can understand why we'd do that. Phoenix should take that deal. They aren't getting a good unprotected pick anywhere else. I do wonder how plugged in Pelton is though? I've never known him to be a breaking news kind of guy.

Honestly, the ATL picks aren't that valuable. They're not gonna rebuild and their roster is only improving as time goes on.

[exstatic]

Honestly, the ATL picks aren't that valuable. They're not gonna rebuild and their roster is only improving as time goes on.

Nope. Trae won’t take less than the MAX to stay with that mid team, and their cheap owner won’t pay that. He’ll be offloaded either this summer, or at the deadline, or they risk losing him for nothing.

[mo7888]

Honestly, the ATL picks aren't that valuable. They're not gonna rebuild and their roster is only improving as time goes on.

I don't see that roster as 'improving'. I don't believe one bit in Jalen Johnson and don't see any upside from Daniels beyond where he is. The only chance I see for improvement is if they can turn Trae into something that compliments those guy and gives them balance. Frankly, I expect the 2026 swap to be top 10 as they are currently constructed.

[LeBowen]

If that's the actual offer then Brian Wright is Danny Ainge's spiritual successor. :lol

[scottspurs]

He also says the Spurs need to look for a backup point guard and a backup center. I’m assuming he thinks Dylan Harper will start with Fox? They definitely need another ball handler if they trade Wesley and Branham. Insurance pieces

[Mr. Body]

That pretty much guts the bench, such as it is, and no 14 this year makes things a bit sparse. They'll need to get fancy.

[CorrectCrusader]

Nope. Trae won’t take less than the MAX to stay with that mid team, and their cheap owner won’t pay that. He’ll be offloaded either this summer, or at the deadline, or they risk losing him for nothing.

Trae is getting the max lol.

[T Park]

Kevin Pelton from ESPN just dropped and insider piece with information on the Spurs.

He says the Spurs offer for Durant is Harrison Barnes, Keldon Johnson, Blake Wesley, Malaki Branham, pick 14 and 2027 hawks 1st

He says the Spurs value Devin Vassell’s shooting and that they would like to keep him or he may be involved in another transaction.

I’m down.

Call it in.

[CGD]

Kevin Pelton from ESPN just dropped and insider piece with information on the Spurs.

He says the Spurs offer for Durant is Harrison Barnes, Keldon Johnson, Blake Wesley, Malaki Branham, pick 14 and 2027 hawks 1st

He says the Spurs value Devin Vassell’s shooting and that they would like to keep him or he may be involved in another transaction.

so keldon + ~30M expirings + 14 + 27FRP

I can see why thats underwhelming for the Suns lol. While I'm not precious about the ATL picks, I do want to see want happens with the Tre Young extension this summer before moving those picks.

[T Park]

Back up point guards are no big deal

They’ve got two exceptions a large and a smaller one that can get it done

Wesley and Branham stink so they’re not losing anything there.

[LeBowen]

He also says the Spurs need to look for a backup point guard and a backup center. I’m assuming he thinks Dylan Harper will start with Fox? They definitely need another ball handler if they trade Wesley and Branham. Insurance pieces

Even if Harper starts, it wouldn't matter. It's easy enough to stagger minutes.
But then if his offer is accurate, Devin would be the 6th man? No way he loses his starting spot if Spurs value him enough to not exclude him in a KD trade.

Fox/Harper
Castle/-
Devin/Champ
KD/Jeremy
Wemby/-

Good enough with another backup big, I guess.

[exstatic]

Trae is getting the max lol.

Have you watched ATL ship out player after player over money issues?

[scottspurs]

Personally I would rather get off of Vassell’s contract. I’m perfectly fine not trading for Kevin Durant at all but if does happen I would do Vassell, Keldon and pick 14. Screw giving them that 2027 hawks pick. That’s an overpay regardless of what players are in the trade. I would rather keep Barnes because KD is not going to play every night but if they substitute Barnes for Keldon I would understand it.

I would be perfectly fine picking at 14 or doing a Cam Johnson deal too. I think a good role player can be had at 14. That said I don’t necessarily trust the Spurs drafting in that range. Players like Carter Bryant scare the crap out of me because the Spurs recent track record with projects is not good. Same for Joan Beringer and maybe even Noa Essengue.

[CGD]

Even if Harper starts, it wouldn't matter. It's easy enough to stagger minutes.
But then if his offer is accurate, Devin would be the 6th man? No way he loses his starting spot if Spurs value him enough to not exclude him in a KD trade.

Fox/Harper
Castle/-
Devin/Champ
KD/Jeremy
Wemby/-

Good enough with another backup big, I guess.

I actually like that starting line up a good amount (though i think Steph will slot in at SF). Pick up Lopez and maybe Gary Harris if he still has something in the tank. There are always a few Tre Jones' of COJO types out there for deep PG depth.

[CorrectCrusader]

Have you watched ATL ship out player after player over money issues?

Not a player like Trae.

[Mr. Body]

I think the Spurs can maybe pick up Tyus Jones, ironically enough.

[benefactor]

Vassell needs to go in the trade. There is no room for him for what the Spurs are paying him on this team after Durant gets here

[Dex]

AND?!?!?!?!?

I agree, not serious in the least.

Zach Lowe reported it as #2 OR Castle, but yeah...I'm not giving up either for a 37-year-old KD who wants a big extension.

And I say that as a UT fan who would LOVE to see KD on the Spurs next to Wemby, but you don't sell the future for him at this point in his career.

[Guru of Nothing]

Kevin Pelton from ESPN just dropped and insider piece with information on the Spurs.

He says the Spurs offer for Durant is Harrison Barnes, Keldon Johnson, Blake Wesley, Malaki Branham, pick 14 and 2027 hawks 1st

He says the Spurs value Devin Vassell’s shooting and that they would like to keep him or he may be involved in another transaction.

Ugh.

Castle is a SF. Hopefully he can grow another inch or two.

[scottspurs]

Also let’s keep dragging this out. If you can drag this out until after the draft the price for KD will go down even further. Who knew it was possible to cook the Suns?

[CorrectCrusader]

https://x.com/DonHarris4/status/1934989701565538630

[Mr. Body]

The problem is that KD is super expensive with a contract extension. The risk is pretty dang high - that he gets hurt, that his production falls off. Those max contracts are vile. We're going to be struggling under the weight of Fox's contract as it is. And I don't think the Rox want that heavy price, either. It's a risk.

[scottspurs]

Regardless of what happens I love that the league is United in not giving the Suns shit for Durant. Let the Desert stay Dry.

[vy65]

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S:lolns

[CorrectCrusader]

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S:lolns

That's the death knell report.
He's going for peanuts.

[cd98]

Spurs continuing the tradition of the 90s and 2000s with a takedown of the Suns. I wonder if they don't want to trade with the Spurs because of all those awful memories of failure when they had their best team and couldn't get passed the Spurs.

[Mr. Body]

It's like a stall at the swap meet staying open well after dusk after all the other vendors have gone home. Surely someone will want their sets of collection dinner ware.

[objective]

Cam Johnson is overrated drastically, he's just Champagnie on a 10x contract. He's not worth 1 first rounder, let alone 2.

And as far as back up point guard goes, time to step it up and bring over Mijo Nunez.

After watching tons of John Collins tape the past few days, I think I'd actually prefer him over Durant. A much more opportunistic scorer off cuts, transition, and corner threes. He doesn't command the type of touches Durant does.

I forget which podcast or show I was listening to that was criticizing Durant's play when he wasn't given the ball, just sort of pouting past the three point line not doing anything or being active. Collins will be active; on the offensive glass, finding ways and angles to make himself available, he'll be grinding, KD will be be chilling or petrifying

The big advantage Durant has is as an on ball scorer, he of course can do things there Collins couldn't dream of. But I propose that there's enough guys already to give the ball to in crunch time to let them figure it out: Wemby, Fox, Castle, Harper, even Vassell thinks he's mister hero out there.

I still love Durant as a decoy, as a shooter, as a guy with tremendous gravity who will open things up with his presence, who could still be a useful defensive player, but I don't think he's a good fit for SA

He belongs in Houston where they need a guy to take the ball in his hands in crunch time. VanVleet ain't about it at his age, Amen is still just a lot of projecting, there's no big scorers except Sengun and that's not enough.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I'd love to dump Vassell's contract but bot crazy about 3 nearly max years of an aging KD

[spurraider21]

Since it has been rumored that a KD to the Spurs deal was done last week, I assume all this media hype is just there to make the Suns look like they are trying? And at the end of it all they sending him to San Antonio
There was no such rumor. That came from bill simmons saying he had a suspicion a trade had been agreed to but then explicitly said this it not based on any sources or intel and said “do not aggregate this”

[Manu20]

I think the longer it drags on the lower the chance he agrees to a trade with the Tpups Minnesota which is the best rumored trade proposal so far.

[CGD]

The Pelton "report" about Keldon + expirings + 2FRPs offer for KD, does make me wonder what else could be had for that package?

Like HOW far off is that for TM3?

[exstatic]

I think the longer it drags on the lower the chance he agrees to a trade with the Tpups Minnesota which is the best rumored trade proposal so far.

Minny can’t trade before the draft, because they are a second apron team, so they can’t aggregate multiple players to get Durant. I think PHO wants assets in this draft, not later stuff, so Minny is probably already sidelined.

[Seventyniner]

Vassell supposedly not being included in the KD trade is either the Spurs insist on keeping him or the Suns don't want him/the Spurs have another team interested in Vassell.

The Spurs could get more for Vassell than the equivalent of Keldon + filler + ATL27.

[CGD]

Vassell supposedly not being included in the KD trade is either the Spurs insist on keeping him or the Suns don't want him/the Spurs have another team interested in Vassell.

The Spurs could get more for Vassell than the equivalent of Keldon + filler + ATL27.

I think we underestimate how much the Spurs love Devin. I also think he is a great fit next to Fox, and they probably want to see it.

[exstatic]

I think we underestimate how much the Spurs love Devin. I also think he is a great fit next to Fox, and they probably want to see it.

Too many mouths to feed. Fox,Castle,Harper,Champ,Devin.

[scottspurs]

IF… the Spurs end up with KD, the reaction will be shock at how little PHX got in return. I think their interest is lukewarm at best. Not mortgaging any kind of future for him. I think Houston is most likely destination. - Don Harris on twitter

Brian Wright holding Strong

[DPG21920]

I dont like SA trading 14 + 27 first

Id rather just 14 and add more player talent in deal rather than give up 27 first.

[DPG21920]

If SA is going to do 2 firsts then I’d rather keep 14 and do 27 + 29 first or something like that (with top 5 protections)

[Mr. Body]

I dont like SA trading 14 + 27 first

Id rather just 14 and add more player talent in deal rather than give up 27 first.

Same. Pile in the SRPs.

[vy65]

I dont like SA trading 14 + 27 first

Id rather just 14 and add more player talent in deal rather than give up 27 first.

Agreed. I'm quite low on DV, so adding the 2027 ATL pick makes the Keldon-centered package seem better than the DV-centered one.

[CorrectCrusader]

If SA is going to do 2 firsts then I’d rather keep 14 and do 27 + 29 first or something like that (with top 5 protections)

14 Isn't helpful for the cap situation rn. We'll need the firsts later more than we do now.

[TekXX]

Just give PHX Sochan and get this done, no team is going to take Devin+pennies.

[benefactor]

Shams is doing damage control on TV right now lol

[cutewizard]

It's clear the suns were using the Wolves, Rockets, Heat to goad more assets from the spurs. Doesn't look like it worked and now KDs camp is trying to force the envelope.

......................

May it be

The waiting is unbearable, lol

[cutewizard]

Just give PHX Sochan and get this done, no team is going to take Devin+pennies.


Agree

[vy65]

Shams is doing damage control on TV right now lol

What he saying?

[benefactor]

He's saying its rockets and the heat and that San Antonio isn't "the aggressive team" right now.

So it's basically what we have been thinking it is. San Antonio made its offer and now other teams are trying to make deals that are better.

[CorrectCrusader]

He's saying its rockets and the heat and that San Antonio isn't "the aggressive team" right now.

So it's basically what we have been thinking it is. San Antonio made its offer and now other teams are trying to make deals that are better.

Pretty shameful that Shams is being a blatant mouthpiece in the suns favor.

[NASpurs]

I can't wait for this to be over. I don't want him, I just want to get rid of the players that would be involved in the trade for him.

[vy65]

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[benefactor]

He's also saying the Spurs aren't done. They are still looking to make more moves and possibly another big move like the Durant trade to improve the roster. He said they are being opportunistic like they did with the Fox trade... that is if the Durant trade does not work out

[Leetonidas]

I can't wait for this to be over. I don't want him, I just want to get rid of the players that would be involved in the trade for him.

I'm just tired of refreshing this damn thread :lol get it done already

[benefactor]

Honestly, he really sounded like he got caught with his pants down.

[John B]

He's also saying the Spurs aren't done. They are still looking to make more moves and possibly another big move like the Durant trade to improve the roster. He said they are being opportunistic like they did with the Fox trade... that is if the Durant trade does not work out

Opportunistic is the keyword, nothing on a king’s ransom. The Spurs have the ace and don’t need to rush. They can even keep their picks and call a day tbh

[SpursFan86]

Count me in the camp of wanting to give up Vassell rather than the 2027 Hawks pick. If we get KD, Vassell’s main strengths will be less critical. That ATL pick could end up being juicy if something happens with Trae.

[Blizzardwizard]

Shams on the McAfee show:


"The Spurs have not been the aggressive team for Kevin Durant ... they're not on [the same timeline] as Miami or Houston ...


"... I think they're gonna be stocking their assets for a bigger move that may fit their timeline ... Spurs have had a level of interest ... Rockets and Heat are more realistic right now."

[LeBowen]

I can't wait for this to be over. I don't want him, I just want to get rid of the players that would be involved in the trade for him.

Just wait until we get KD with Devin and Jeremy still on the roster. :lmao

[Chinook]

It's a relief that the Spurs' FO isn't as transparent as it was starting to look like they were. The team holding off on a star trade is fair enough. The team talking about "timelines" is not. That's a fan idea and not something serious front offices use in their thinking.

[CorrectCrusader]

It's a relief that the Spurs' FO isn't as transparent as it was starting to look like they were. The team holding off on a star trade is fair enough. The team talking about "timelines" is not. That's a fan idea and not something serious front offices use in their thinking.

Could you elaborate that timelines point?

[Mr. Body]

It's a relief that the Spurs' FO isn't as transparent as it was starting to look like they were. The team holding off on a star trade is fair enough. The team talking about "timelines" is not. That's a fan idea and not something serious front offices use in their thinking.

It's entirely what they've been talking about since Wemby was drafted

[Blizzardwizard]

80+ pages only for We Like What We Have to prevail once again :lol

[vy65]

Honestly, he really sounded like he got caught with his pants down.

That was maybe the least convincing “these aren’t the droids you’re looking for” that I’ve seen in a while

[LeBowen]

80+ pages only for We Like What We Have to prevail once again :lol

We got Markkanen topic to 100 pages, KD deserves nothing less. :lol

[Dejounte]

DLAWo2fM5Ch

Paris merch by durant lol

[Chinook]

Could you elaborate that timelines point?

It's a fetish fans have for a team to have a bunch of guys the same age and them mature into a title core together. The reality is that that isn't how rosters are built. Yes, there's a time to gun for a championship and a time to build. But you don't pass on talent for a lesser guy because he's closer in age to your star. Who cares if Cam will be in the league and Durant retired in four years? You aren't marrying them -- you're temporarily adding them to your team.

There are reasons to go with Johnson and not KD, but "timeline" is absolutely not one of them.

[Ice009]

ScottSpurs, where are you getting that the Spurs actually offered two first round picks with the Atlanta '27 being one of them?

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/45526277/2025-nba-draft-san-antonio-spurs-keep-no-2-pick-options
I read this a little earlier, and it sounds like the exact same offer you mentioned. This, to me, reads that it's a trade proposal from Pelton, not an actual offer the Spurs made.

[spurraider21]

:lol windy absolutely carrying Isbhia's water

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[Mr. Body]

:lol windy absolutely carrying Isbhia's water

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How's that carrying his water? It's been mentioned on this board. Others are thinking it: why not just keep him?

[vy65]

How's that carrying his water? It's been mentioned on this board. Others are thinking it: why not just keep him?

Because something > nothing. You can’t be this naive

[Degoat]

How's that carrying his water? It's been mentioned on this board. Others are thinking it: why not just keep him?

The Alternative is keeping him and letting him walk for nothing next year lol

[spurraider21]

How's that carrying his water? It's been mentioned on this board. Others are thinking it: why not just keep him?
being mentioned on this board doesnt inherently make an idea credible or plausible

KD wants out, he's pissed that they discussed trading him at the deadline without approaching him about it. an exorbitantly expensive, underachieving team is not going to go into the season with their most expensive player being pissed and not wanting to be there. all that will happen is they will try again to move him before the deadline and will get even less than they're seeing now. or he just walks and they have nothing to show for it while still not having much cap space to do anything the following offseason due to beal/booker alone counting as 115 mil against the cap

while he's there it would just be a distraction and all his teammates would know he's already checked out

[Spurs Homer]

Anybody watching the finals?

Now, imagine the spurs having to face those defenses and vassell choking and durant in street clothes on the bench and coach mitch playing wemby less than 32 mins?

Id feel better with vassell gone, sochan at least getting into it with those okc front runners and maybe harrison barnes still doing solid work....and if the spurs focus on other vets to trade vassell for - id rather roll with the second scenario...

[Mr. Body]

being mentioned on this board doesnt inherently make an idea credible or plausible

KD wants out, he's pissed that they discussed trading him at the deadline without approaching him about it. an exorbitantly expensive, underachieving team is not going to go into the season with their most expensive player being pissed and not wanting to be there. all that will happen is they will try again to move him before the deadline and will get even less than they're seeing now. or he just walks and they have nothing to show for it while still not having much cap space to do anything the following offseason due to beal/booker alone counting as 115 mil against the cap

while he's there it would just be a distraction and all his teammates would know he's already checked out

Yet they still don't have to trade him. He's not going to not play. That's never happened, and they can offload him in the middle of the season. It's just as much a fallacy of ST that we have them over a barrel. They literally just can keep him. It's not a lie, or a ploy, or a made up scenario. It's not carrying the water. It's a legitimate scenario. The Spurs nor the Heat or anybody is watching Windhorst and thinking, "Oh, hey, wait a minute! This pundit made me change my mind!"

[montgod]

How's that carrying his water? It's been mentioned on this board. Others are thinking it: why not just keep him?

Many reasons why you don't keep him, biggest one being if he gets injured, his value is even worse at his age. KD is an expiring value, Suns have to make a move now vs later or it only get worse. This isn't even taking into account the salary cap issues they have where KD takes up a lot of space and flexibility.

[Mr. Body]

Many reasons why you don't keep him, biggest one being if he gets injured, his value is even worse at his age. KD is an expiring value, Suns have to make a move now vs later or it only get worse. This isn't even taking into account the salary cap issues they have where KD takes up a lot of space and flexibility.

I guess. Somehow the people here who hate Vassell and want him gone are saying he's worth two or three picks and is absolutely the centerpiece of this deal. The Suns do have an option of just not doing anything here.

[montgod]

I guess. Somehow the people here who hate Vassell and want him gone are saying he's worth two or three picks and is absolutely the centerpiece of this deal. The Suns do have an option of just not doing anything here.

I agree with you, but it would be a huge gamble on Suns part mainly w/the injury concern before trade deadline. If anything, Suns should have traded him before last season started but owner's pride is his downfall smh

[cd98]

I trust Zac Lowe's opinion and he said on his last podcast that he doesn't think the Spurs should go for Durant. He thinks they will spend their assets more wisely with a long term view. I am sure that absent injury, Durant would be awesome for the next 2-3 years on the Spurs, but that's as long as he will be here. I think the Spurs will take him if he falls into their laps with a lowball offer, but otherwise, I think they are looking at other players that are or may become available and they will throw their assets at those players, kind of like Orlando did for Bane, a deal that makes total sense for them.

[mo7888]

I wouldn't mind them keeping him. He'll be a buyout candidate after the deadline and could come in for the stretch run. That's not a bad outcome.

Thay said...surely they aren't this dumb..

[Guru of Nothing]

I'm ready to conclude that Spurs presented the Suns with a moderate offer that included the 14 in exchange for Durant, and the Suns are on the clock and furiously trying to gen up a better offer before accepting the Spurs offer - I'm surely repeating what someone else has already said at this point. If Monday roles around and no trade has been made, I'd expect Spurs to pull offer, but honestly I expect the Spurs will cave and throw in a couple of extra 2nd rounders and close the deal.


This is feeling a LOT like the Fox situation back in February.

[Ariel]

It's a fetish fans have for a team to have a bunch of guys the same age and them mature into a title core together. The reality is that that isn't how rosters are built. Yes, there's a time to gun for a championship and a time to build. But you don't pass on talent for a lesser guy because he's closer in age to your star. Who cares if Cam will be in the league and Durant retired in four years? You aren't marrying them -- you're temporarily adding them to your team.

There are reasons to go with Johnson and not KD, but "timeline" is absolutely not one of them.
Same timeline doesn't mean having every player the same age so that you save on birthday candles, it's having your CORE somewhat aligned so that you can sustain a run for more than a season or two. Fox is arguably in the Wemby timeline, not so much in the Harper one but that works out perfect since one is rising as the other starts to slow down, but with Durant you can't assume you're getting even 3 good years out of him, maybe you do but history says chances it doesn't happen are significant. If the price is low enough, sure, bring him on, otherwise it's preferrable to watch Houston or Minnesota enter a bidding war that hurts a rival long term, especially since the Spurs own a Minnesota swap by the time Durant will be long gone.

[Mr. Body]

I'm ready to conclude that Spurs presented the Suns with a moderate offer that included the 14 in exchange for Durant, and the Suns are on the clock and furiously trying to gen up a better offer before accepting the Spurs offer - I'm surely repeating what someone else has already said at this point. If Monday roles around and no trade has been made, I'd expect Spurs to pull offer, but honestly I expect the Spurs will cave and throw in a couple of extra 2nd rounders and close the deal.


This is feeling a LOT like the Fox situation back in February.

If they don't get it done before the draft, it's likely that Houston and San Antonio are out. (If Rockets aren't out already.) Because they will have used their picks. I think Miami can stay in if they offer Ware. Minnesota activates after the draft, as they can then consolidate salaries.

Maybe playing chicken with Durant a little: "you can either play in Phoenix or play for a contender in Minnesota next year."

[DPG21920]

14 Isn't helpful for the cap situation rn. We'll need the firsts later more than we do now.

Theres no cap situation right now to worry about and Sa needs talent.

[Mr. Body]

I'm not sure how much I believe reports that the SAS were putting the ATL 2027 pick up for Durant. This suggests they may not really treasure it that much and might be open to using it elsewhere. Maybe they think they can get another FRP that year or just go without.

Reason I don't believe the reports: if they did offer the ATL 27 alongside the 14 this yera, I think KD would be looking for houses already.

[spurraider21]

I wouldn't mind them keeping him. He'll be a buyout candidate after the deadline and could come in for the stretch run. That's not a bad outcome.

Thay said...surely they aren't this dumb..
yeah suns keeping him is the 2nd best outcome aside from us landing him outright. if we already know that the spurs are his preferred spot, that just opens the door for us to land him in 2026. would still be a sign and trade for salary purposes but thats typically a lot cheaper than an outright trade

[DPG21920]

I guess. Somehow the people here who hate Vassell and want him gone are saying he's worth two or three picks and is absolutely the centerpiece of this deal. The Suns do have an option of just not doing anything here.

Of course it’s an option. It’s just a really bad one so it seems very unlikely. Like, you have the option to chop off your hand if you want. That doesnt make it a good idea.

And if they decide to keep KD he could easily just fake an injury to preserve his body and sit out most of season then they lose him for nothing, paid him and have no chance of winning next season

[benefactor]

Anybody watching the finals?

Now, imagine the spurs having to face those defenses and vassell choking and durant in street clothes on the bench and coach mitch playing wemby less than 32 mins?

Id feel better with vassell gone, sochan at least getting into it with those okc front runners and maybe harrison barnes still doing solid work....and if the spurs focus on other vets to trade vassell for - id rather roll with the second scenario...
By the time the Spurs are ready to go to the finals, none of these role players will be on the team and neither will Durant.

[LeBowen]

I'm not sure how much I believe reports that the SAS were putting the ATL 2027 pick up for Durant. This suggests they may not really treasure it that much and might be open to using it elsewhere. Maybe they think they can get another FRP that year or just go without.

Reason I don't believe the reports: if they did offer the ATL 27 alongside the 14 this yera, I think KD would be looking for houses already.

I think it's possible '27 was offered in that Keldon+Barnes+Branham+Wesley scenario in which Spurs keep Vassell.

[CorrectCrusader]

Theres no cap situation right now to worry about and Sa needs talent.

In 3 years we'll have 2 max contracts to deal with & castle/harpers upcoming contracts.
That's exactly my point.

[cd98]

Come on, Spurs got hosed by every team when Kawhi demanded a trade and so they had to plug their nose and take the Toronto deal. Spurs will have no mercy for other teams that do not have leverage. No one had mercy for them. Durant would be nice to have, but he isn't necessary because he would not fit their long term plans. I think we should absolutely low ball them. I think Vassell is a legit player (unlike most here) so he's definitely a real asset. Barnes is also a good player if the Suns want to try and win, which is what they are trying to do. I wouldn't offer the 14th pick as there are many options to draft a position of need at that spot. I'd offer their top 5 protected pick next year. And that is all I would offer and if Durant goes to the Twolves or the Rockets, who cares?

[Mr. Body]

Come on, Spurs got hosed by every team when Kawhi demanded a trade and so they had to plug their nose and take the Toronto deal. Spurs will have no mercy for other teams that do not have leverage. No one had mercy for them. Durant would be nice to have, but he isn't necessary because he would not fit their long term plans. I think we should absolutely low ball them. I think Vassell is a legit player (unlike most here) so he's definitely a real asset. Barnes is also a good player if the Suns want to try and win, which is what they are trying to do. I wouldn't offer the 14th pick as there are many options to draft a position of need at that spot. I'd offer their top 5 protected pick next year. And that is all I would offer and if Durant goes to the Twolves or the Rockets, who cares?

If the Spurs still had the Chicago pick, they could have thrown that sort of thing in. Or their own 2027.

Of course the Chicago pick did convey this year - their own 11 - and our 2027 pick went to Sacramento. But the cupboard is fairly dry as far as first round picks go. It does look like the Spurs figured out the market, put their offer in, and seem to be holding fast. They knew what they had, but more important, what the other teams were going to offer.

[CorrectCrusader]

I would much rather Keldon go than Vassell.

[vy65]

Yet they still don't have to trade him. He's not going to not play. That's never happened, and they can offload him in the middle of the season. It's just as much a fallacy of ST that we have them over a barrel. They literally just can keep him. It's not a lie, or a ploy, or a made up scenario. It's not carrying the water. It's a legitimate scenario. The Spurs nor the Heat or anybody is watching Windhorst and thinking, "Oh, hey, wait a minute! This pundit made me change my mind!"

They don’t *have* to do anything. That’s completely besides the point. SR laid out precisely why they *should* trade him: having a discontent 37 year old walk at the end of 26 with nothing to show for it while still being an underachieving/likely to not make the playoffs while also being a second apron team is expensive and ultimately going to alienate fans.

Players refuse to play all the time too: Harden, Ben Simmons, Kawhi, etc. This is a pretty obvious point, you seem to be arguing just for the sake of it.

[Mr. Body]

They don’t *have* to do anything. That’s completely besides the point. SR laid out precisely why they *should* trade him: having a discontent 37 year old walk at the end of 26 with nothing to show for it while still being an underachieving/likely to not make the playoffs while also being a second apron team is expensive and ultimately going to alienate fans.

Players refuse to play all the time too: Harden, Ben Simmons, Kawhi, etc. This is a pretty obvious point, you seem to be arguing just for the sake of it.

There's no arguing for the sake of it. They can just as well wait to trade him or just let him expire. I mean, people hooting on ST isn't going to change their minds. I feel like this is the same crowd that insisted for like six weeks in a row that Lauri Markkanen absolutely was going to be traded last year... then wasn't.

[CorrectCrusader]

There's no arguing for the sake of it. They can just as well wait to trade him or just let him expire. I mean, people hooting on ST isn't going to change their minds. I feel like this is the same crowd that insisted for like six weeks in a row that Lauri Markkanen absolutely was going to be traded last year... then wasn't.

Them not trading him isn't an option. That is the worst thing the suns could do.

[Manu20]

Well if the Spurs are not as aggressive as Shams is reporting, that means San Antonio is indeed Durant's #1 choice. I'm sure the Suns are feeding him this information to put a bit of pressure to the Spurs.

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[CorrectCrusader]

Well if the Spurs are not as aggressive as Shams is reporting, that means San Antonio is indeed Durant's #1 choice. I'm sure the Suns are feeding him this information to put a bit of pressure to the Spurs.

Yeah, it's obvious that the suns are trying to bait for a better offer from the spurs. BW should just stand pat.

[DPG21920]

In 3 years we'll have 2 max contracts to deal with & castle/harpers upcoming contracts.
That's exactly my point.

That means very little with regard to needing to trade pick 14 vs a future pick tbh…

[mo7888]

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Ok....so who is this bigger star?

[BatManu20]

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[kjhip1]

Ok....so who is this bigger star?

Has to be Giannis right?

[BatManu20]

Ok....so who is this bigger star?

Likely referring to Giannis next Summer, once he inevitably requests a trade after another failed season in Milwaukee. My guess.

[cd98]

There's no arguing for the sake of it. They can just as well wait to trade him or just let him expire. I mean, people hooting on ST isn't going to change their minds. I feel like this is the same crowd that insisted for like six weeks in a row that Lauri Markkanen absolutely was going to be traded last year... then wasn't.

Don't you think the Spurs could be looking at a Markkanen trade this year? I would not be shocked if the Jazz wanted that 14th pick. In the short run, Durant is better, but Markkanen has lost value by not playing last season because ahem injuries. The Jazz had to re-sign him because it was the only way to get leverage in a trade scenario, but they lost some of that leverage by sitting him most of last season. I don't know if the Spurs would do it now given that Markkanen just got a new contract, but I could see that being a more long term piece worth adding because they really need shooting and Markkanen would give them a great shooter.

[LeBowen]

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[BatManu20]

If true, PHX having no interest in Jalen Green would be significant, cause that's the main piece the Rockets are offering in their trade package. Sounds like PHX prefers Jabari Smith Jr. and/or Sengun and Houston isn't willing to give them up. Lol at the idea of refusing to give up a Low-IQ role player like Tara Eason for KD.

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[Mnky]

Ok....so who is this bigger star?

Think it's more a bigger move than a bigger star.

If they're giving up assets, I still think Lauri and Collins are in play for the Spurs. If they can't get KD for what they want, I'm good on over paying a little for Lauri or Collins. They both fit great.

[spurraider21]

Yet they still don't have to trade him. He's not going to not play. That's never happened, and they can offload him in the middle of the season. It's just as much a fallacy of ST that we have them over a barrel. They literally just can keep him. It's not a lie, or a ploy, or a made up scenario. It's not carrying the water. It's a legitimate scenario. The Spurs nor the Heat or anybody is watching Windhorst and thinking, "Oh, hey, wait a minute! This pundit made me change my mind!"
yeah i mean the spurs dont HAVE to extend wembanyama when the time comes either. we're discussing inevitabilities man

[Seventyniner]

If the Suns don't want Jalen Green due to fit, they probably don't want Vassell either.

[dn0774]

Don't you think the Spurs could be looking at a Markkanen trade this year? I would not be shocked if the Jazz wanted that 14th pick. In the short run, Durant is better, but Markkanen has lost value by not playing last season because ahem injuries. The Jazz had to re-sign him because it was the only way to get leverage in a trade scenario, but they lost some of that leverage by sitting him most of last season. I don't know if the Spurs would do it now given that Markkanen just got a new contract, but I could see that being a more long term piece worth adding because they really need shooting and Markkanen would give them a great shooter.

I mean, he played 47 games which is plenty enough to determine that he looked like shit last season. Ainge doesn't live in reality when it comes to trading his guys, I’d rather not even do business with him. Lauri if he bounces back a bit would fit like a glove on the Spurs but that’s a lot of money for a guy who I am not even sure is that competitive. He could’ve got his money elsewhere but he chose to stay on a team he knew intended to tank and he seemed fine with it.

[Mr. Body]

Don't you think the Spurs could be looking at a Markkanen trade this year? I would not be shocked if the Jazz wanted that 14th pick. In the short run, Durant is better, but Markkanen has lost value by not playing last season because ahem injuries. The Jazz had to re-sign him because it was the only way to get leverage in a trade scenario, but they lost some of that leverage by sitting him most of last season. I don't know if the Spurs would do it now given that Markkanen just got a new contract, but I could see that being a more long term piece worth adding because they really need shooting and Markkanen would give them a great shooter.

No, I personally don't think the Spurs have any interest in Markkanen whatsoever. His contract is horrendous and he already is falling off pretty bad. Classic contract year stuff.

[Mr. Body]

I mean, he played 47 games which is plenty enough to determine that he looked like shit last season. Ainge doesn't live in reality when it comes to trading his guys, I’d rather not even do business with him. Lauri if he bounces back a bit would fit like a glove on the Spurs but that’s a lot of money for a guy who I am not even sure is that competitive. He could’ve got his money elsewhere but he chose to stay on a team he knew intended to tank and he seemed fine with it.

Ainge should have moved him last year. I don't know what he was thinking. For the Spurs, getting Fox slams that salary slot shut. They can't get another guy with that kind of money for that long. Even getting Durant will cause issues in a couple years.

For Ainge, not only did he flub things, no one wants to work with him anymore. He's impossible to trade with.

[vy65]

There's no arguing for the sake of it. They can just as well wait to trade him or just let him expire. I mean, people hooting on ST isn't going to change their minds. I feel like this is the same crowd that insisted for like six weeks in a row that Lauri Markkanen absolutely was going to be traded last year... then wasn't.

You're missing the point. I agree that the suns don't have to do anything and I never suggested the digital ink being spilled here would do anything either. But you're making the point for me: the Suns should trade KD now vs. down the line to preserve more value just like Utah should have traded Lauri last summer compared to now, when he's tanked his value.

[djohn2oo8]

They are holding out for Jabari. They can go fuck themselves

[KobesAchilles]

They are holding out for Jabari. They can go fuck themselves
Why? Jabari sucks. He’s the worst player the Rockets have on rotation

[exstatic]

How's that carrying his water? It's been mentioned on this board. Others are thinking it: why not just keep him?

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[djohn2oo8]

Why? Jabari sucks. He’s the worst player the Rockets have on rotation
Worse player the Rockets have is Green. Jabari actually showed promise in the playoffs.

[Spurs Homer]

Worse player the Rockets have is Green. Jabari actually showed promise in the playoffs.

im not a fan of either…but jabari did look impressive and if he is a hard worker he will have a nice career…
green…altthough he seemed to shrink in the playoffs…is more talented imo…but i dont know if he is a hard worker or not…

[exstatic]

Yet they still don't have to trade him. He's not going to not play. That's never happened, and they can offload him in the middle of the season. It's just as much a fallacy of ST that we have them over a barrel. They literally just can keep him. It's not a lie, or a ploy, or a made up scenario. It's not carrying the water. It's a legitimate scenario. The Spurs nor the Heat or anybody is watching Windhorst and thinking, "Oh, hey, wait a minute! This pundit made me change my mind!"

If that plays out and he rolls off 1 July next year, we’ll still have our picks, and Phoenix will have nothing. In addition,they will have pissed off the agency with the second most NBA clients. That can have ramifications down the road.

Yes, it’s in the possible list of outcomes, but it’s a dumb play.

[KobesAchilles]

Worse player the Rockets have is Green. Jabari actually showed promise in the playoffs.
I mean Green was the second focal point of the defense behind Sengun for the Warriors. His play took a hit in the playoffs but lots of players struggle their first playoffs and the seasoned Warriors were a horrible match up for him.

Jabari can’t defend, can’t create, can’t really rebound, can’t really pass, and for a shooter he can’t shoot either. It’s astounding how bad he is at basketball. Atleast Green is super athletic and can create his own shot. Seriously I’ve seen the Rockets lots of time here in Houston. Jabari is the worst player they have in the rotation. What does he do well? What is his strength?

edit** I take back the rebounding part. He is a solid rebounder

[scottspurs]

Rockets clearly want Durant more. Clutch fans is on page 151 in their Durant Thread. Spurstalk slacking at 85 lol

Also clutch fans seems to think Durant will be traded before 5:35 central time today but I couldn’t figure out why? Maybe something to with him wearing #35 lol

[Mr. Body]

If that plays out and he rolls off 1 July next year, we’ll still have our picks, and Phoenix will have nothing. In addition,they will have pissed off the agency with the second most NBA clients. That can have ramifications down the road.

Yes, it’s in the possible list of outcomes, but it’s a dumb play.

I think you guys think I'm advocating for it, lol. Just saying they could very well not trade him right now.

[scottspurs]

I would take Jabari anyday over Jalen Green. Jabari is probably worth 3 1sts. Jalen I’m not sure if he gets 1 1st

[baseline bum]

Kevin Pelton from ESPN just dropped and insider piece with information on the Spurs.

He says the Spurs offer for Durant is Harrison Barnes, Keldon Johnson, Blake Wesley, Malaki Branham, pick 14 and 2027 hawks 1st

He says the Spurs value Devin Vassell’s shooting and that they would like to keep him or he may be involved in another transaction.

Too much, let him go to Houston or Miami. No reason to give up the Atlanta 2027 for the right to max out a 38YO Durant.

[Mr. Body]

Jalen Green sucks. He can turn in a great game, but he's just not that guy. Biggest problem is he needs a huge number of shots and he's just not productive enough for that, and he's worthless in any other capacity. One of the most overrated thing in the league is a high volume chucker who can't carry a team every game and can't do anything else.

I'd easily trade Jabari for Durant. His minutes dwindled to near nothing against the Warriors and he's just not an efficient player. He rebounds pretty well, but hasn't improved at all. I'd definitely dump him. I'm sure there's pride, though, that they got him for a high draft pick.

[rascal]

Think it's more a bigger move than a bigger star.

If they're giving up assets, I still think Lauri and Collins are in play for the Spurs. If they can't get KD for what they want, I'm good on over paying a little for Lauri or Collins. They both fit great.

There is no bigger move. Spurs are staying with their plan of building with their draft picks.

[baseline bum]

If true, PHX having no interest in Jalen Green would be significant, cause that's the main piece the Rockets are offering in their trade package. Sounds like PHX prefers Jabari Smith Jr. and/or Sengun and Houston isn't willing to give them up. Lol at the idea of refusing to give up a Low-IQ role player like Tara Eason for KD.

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Ouch not even Eason? :lmao

[LeBowen]

Worse player the Rockets have is Green. Jabari actually showed promise in the playoffs.

The thing is that Jabari is too low on the Rockets list of assets to be considered untouchable.
If Amen, Sengun and '27/'29 Suns FRPs untouchable, you have to give them something.
Suns do the trade if you offer just one of those two picks and salary match.

[Mr. Body]

The thing is that Jabari is too low on the Rockets list of assets to be considered untouchable.
If Amen, Sengun and '27/'29 Suns FRPs untouchable, you have to give them something.
Suns do the trade if you offer just one of those two picks and salary match.

Houston swapping Jabari for Durant is a top 2 team in the west, possible top 2 team in the league, and gives a run for OKC at least for the Finals and may not have a ton of trouble getting to the WCF.

I can't see Jabari freaking Smith stopping me there, if I'm them.

[baseline bum]

Honestly, the ATL picks aren't that valuable.

Neither is an injury prone Durant who you're going to have to max out at age 38.

[baseline bum]

Houston swapping Jabari for Durant is a top 2 team in the west, possible top 2 team in the league, and gives a run for OKC at least for the Finals and may not have a ton of trouble getting to the WCF.

I can't see Jabari freaking Smith stopping me there, if I'm them.

Agreed, I think he's going to Houston if the Suns can swallow their pride and realize they're only getting one of their picks back.

[spurraider21]

Kevin Pelton from ESPN just dropped and insider piece with information on the Spurs.

He says the Spurs offer for Durant is Harrison Barnes, Keldon Johnson, Blake Wesley, Malaki Branham, pick 14 and 2027 hawks 1st

He says the Spurs value Devin Vassell’s shooting and that they would like to keep him or he may be involved in another transaction.
im pretty surprised they havent included Devin as part of the deal if thats true.

but if the spurs see him as being worth more than 1 FRP, then it makes sense they'd rather offer 2027 ATL than vassell outright

[Dejounte]

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[LeBowen]

Agreed, I think he's going to Houston if the Suns can swallow their pride and realize they're only getting one of their picks back.

If they don't, it'll end similarly to Jimmy's Sixers trade.

29 year old Butler, Justin Patton for Robert Covington, Dario Saric, Jerryd Bayless and a SRP. :lmao

[spurraider21]

Kevin Pelton from ESPN just dropped and insider piece with information on the Spurs.

He says the Spurs offer for Durant is Harrison Barnes, Keldon Johnson, Blake Wesley, Malaki Branham, pick 14 and 2027 hawks 1st

He says the Spurs value Devin Vassell’s shooting and that they would like to keep him or he may be involved in another transaction.


im pretty surprised they havent included Devin as part of the deal if thats true.

but if the spurs see him as being worth more than 1 FRP, then it makes sense they'd rather offer 2027 ATL than vassell outright
if this is the same article, this is not him reporting that this is what the spurs have offered. he's just making some proposals

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[scottspurs]

For the Rockets trading Tari Eason would make more sense because he has been injury prone. Probably been a better player than Jalen and Jabari but he has had issues staying healthy.

To be honest if I’m the rockets I draft my future point guard at 10 and stay out of the Durant Business. They need shooting but Udoka has all them guys buying in. They are a lot closer than we are willing to give them credit for. I would save all them assets for a younger bigger fish. Let Durant get traded to a team he won’t extend with and go after him next offseason.

If the Spurs and Rockets hold strong on their offers it feels like Durant will bd going somewhere he doesn’t want to be. Maybe you can go after him at the trade deadline or as a buyout candidate

Suns are so stupid lol trying to build around Booker. I would trade him and let Bradley Beal be the tank commander. No way they can be stupid enough to think they can compete with the Thunder, Spurs, Rockets, Mavericks and Timberwolves over the next decade.

[djohn2oo8]

Rockets clearly want Durant more. Clutch fans is on page 151 in their Durant Thread. Spurstalk slacking at 85 lol

Also clutch fans seems to think Durant will be traded before 5:35 central time today but I couldn’t figure out why? Maybe something to with him wearing #35 lol
It’s an old running joke. Not serious about today.

[Chillen]

If Spurs are Durant's preferred destination he better speak up about it and tell the other teams he will not extend with them. It worked with Fox.

[KobesAchilles]

I would take Jabari anyday over Jalen Green. Jabari is probably worth 3 1sts. Jalen I’m not sure if he gets 1 1st
This is how I know you’ve never seen a single Rockets game :lol

The guy averages 12 points a game. 7 rebounds. Shoots 43% from the field at 6’10 and 35% from 3 on only open shots. As bad a defender as Green is, somehow Smith is just as bad. He can’t defend the perimeter and he can’t defend the basket either. He also can’t dribble and he can’t pass.

Who tf is going to trade 3 FRPs for him???

[Manu20]

If Spurs are Durant's preferred destination he better speak up about it and tell the other teams he will not extend with them. It worked with Fox.

I think Durant wants to do right by the Suns but if push comes to shove I think he will pick a team and let it be known he will only sign an extension with said team. Hopefully that is with the Spurs!

[scottspurs]

This is how I know you’ve never seen a single Rockets game :lol

The guy averages 12 points a game. 7 rebounds. Shoots 43% from the field at 6’10 and 35% from 3 on only open shots. As bad a defender as Green is, somehow Smith is just as bad. He can’t defend the perimeter and he can’t defend the basket either. He also can’t dribble and he can’t pass.

Who tf is going to trade 3 FRPs for him???

Ive seen more Rockets games than you and I can guarantee that. I’ll put a lot of money on that fact.

Jabari is a very good defender, excellent rebounder. His offensive numbers are a product of a broken hand he suffered and him losing some minutes because of that. He lost his rhythm.

[Extra Stout]

Ive seen more Rockets games than you and I can guarantee that. I’ll put a lot of money on that fact.

Jabari is a very good defender, excellent rebounder. His offensive numbers are a product of a broken hand he suffered and him losing some minutes because of that. He lost his rhythm.
I have a hunch you do this for a living.

[scottspurs]

I have a hunch you do this for a living.
I don’t really want to share what I do for a living but I have very close insights on the Rockets in particular. I’m a massive die hard Spurs fan though. I’ll leave it at that

[exstatic]

If Spurs are Durant's preferred destination he better speak up about it and tell the other teams he will not extend with them. It worked with Fox.

I think he’s told the other teams what’s up, and that’s why the offers are shit.

[exstatic]

I think Durant wants to do right by the Suns but if push comes to shove I think he will pick a team and let it be known he will only sign an extension with said team. Hopefully that is with the Spurs!

I think just the opposite. He’s fucking pissed at them for trying to Luka him at the deadline.

[Mr. Body]

I don’t really want to share what I do for a living but I have very close insights on the Rockets in particular. I’m a massive die hard Spurs fan though. I’ll leave it at that

He's a Rockets cheerleader.

[Dverde]

My vibe on Jabari is that he never got over not being the first pick.

[scottspurs]

He's a Rockets cheerleader.
Caught me lol

[spurraider21]

even if he winds up going elsewhere, the fact that Durant is now the second prominent star player to single out the spurs as the team he wants to play for is a good omen

[kobyz]

I can see us going after Cameron Johnson instead of Durant

[baseline bum]

The Pelton "report" about Keldon + expirings + 2FRPs offer for KD, does make me wonder what else could be had for that package?

Like HOW far off is that for TM3?

A gulf away

[CGD]

Anybody watching the finals?

Now, imagine the spurs having to face those defenses and vassell choking and durant in street clothes on the bench and coach mitch playing wemby less than 32 mins?

Id feel better with vassell gone, sochan at least getting into it with those okc front runners and maybe harrison barnes still doing solid work....and if the spurs focus on other vets to trade vassell for - id rather roll with the second scenario...

These finals are making the strong case for keeping Sochan and Castle (defense, grinders). Agree on Vassell (and Keldon).

[spurraider21]

i dont think the spurs will top this. though interestingly gambo said he hates the idea of that deal

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[KobesAchilles]

Ive seen more Rockets games than you and I can guarantee that. I’ll put a lot of money on that fact.

Jabari is a very good defender, excellent rebounder. His offensive numbers are a product of a broken hand he suffered and him losing some minutes because of that. He lost his rhythm.
They’re 10 bucks a ticket. I get bored here in Houston. What team is going to offer 3 FRPs for him? Seriously. You said he’s worth 3 FRPs. No team is going to offer Hou 3 FRPs for Smith. Sengun maybe. Thompson for sure. But Smith???

He isn’t a very good defender at all. I don’t know where you get that.
He is a good rebounder. I wouldn’t say excellent. But I’m picky like that. And it’s been 3 years. He lost his rhythm for all 3 years? How? If his contract were up today he wouldn’t even get the rookie max.

[RC_Drunkford]

The Alternative is keeping him and letting him walk for nothing next year lol

and paying a heavy luxury tax bill


In 3 years we'll have 2 max contracts to deal with & castle/harpers upcoming contracts.
That's exactly my point.

that's not a problem at all due to the cap increasing by 10% every year


Ok....so who is this bigger star?

RJ Barrett :lol


I mean, he played 47 games which is plenty enough to determine that he looked like shit last season. Ainge doesn't live in reality when it comes to trading his guys, I’d rather not even do business with him. Lauri if he bounces back a bit would fit like a glove on the Spurs but that’s a lot of money for a guy who I am not even sure is that competitive. He could’ve got his money elsewhere but he chose to stay on a team he knew intended to tank and he seemed fine with it.

They tanked which is why they only played him 47 games. He wasn't injured most of the time. They did the same with Collins.


The thing is that Jabari is too low on the Rockets list of assets to be considered untouchable.
If Amen, Sengun and '27/'29 Suns FRPs untouchable, you have to give them something.
Suns do the trade if you offer just one of those two picks and salary match.

Same can be said for Jeremy Sochan, yet here we are. The 13th seed in the west has apparently 8 untouchable players :lol


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supposedly there for a euro workout session … in a phx suns gym … lmao my fucking ass! RC_Drunkford (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=53010)

yeah that whole thing seems highly suspicious to me, but there is Spurs staff in Spurs shirts there with him (not just Moris Hadzija in this pic), so who knows.


i dont think the spurs will top this. though interestingly gambo said he hates the idea of that deal

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I wouldn't trust him with that. Other folks say that's the offer for Booker. Toronto just traded for Ingram at the deadline. Why in the world would they now want KD too?

[KobesAchilles]

I have a hunch you do this for a living.
He’s making stuff up tbh. Smith averaged 8 points a game in October. 12 in November and 12 in December. The 3 months that he played before he broke his hand. His offense was bad before he broke his hand. His shooting numbers are awful too.

[Dejounte]

and paying a heavy luxury tax bill



that's not a problem at all due to the cap increasing by 10% every year



RJ Barrett :lol



They tanked which is why they only played him 47 games. He wasn't injured most of the time. They did the same with Collins.



Same can be said for Jeremy Sochan, yet here we are. The 13th seed in the west has apparently 8 untouchable players :lol



yeah that whole thing seems highly suspicious to me, but there is Spurs staff in Spurs shirts there with him (not just Moris Hadzija in this pic), so who knows.



I wouldn't trust him with that. Other folks say that's the offer for Booker. Toronto just traded for Ingram at the deadline. Why in the world would they now want KD too?

Spurs staff would make sense if this is a transaction between the Spurs and Suns. It’s like a “hey, this is my car that you want to drive. You test drive it and I’ll be in the passenger seat.”

[RC_Drunkford]

Keeping Devin would be nice, but if you bring in KD you almost have to trade him. Otherwise you'll only have about 23 million left until the luxury tax with only 8 players on the roster.

The whole "Spurs aren't interested" narrative sounds like some bullshit. So they aren't interested, but want to sign KD's highschool friend as an assistant coach? Yeah right. And as of now, I'm not even sure the Spurs are including #14 in the package, let alone a future pick. They are maneuvering very smart.We don't have extra future firsts to just throw into a deal.

KD is shutting down all other offers and the Spurs are telling the Suns take the damn deal or there won't be one. If Brian Wright finds a third team with a center for the Suns this should happen soon.

[scottspurs]

They’re 10 bucks a ticket. I get bored here in Houston. What team is going to offer 3 FRPs for him? Seriously. You said he’s worth 3 FRPs. No team is going to offer Hou 3 FRPs for Smith. Sengun maybe. Thompson for sure. But Smith???

He isn’t a very good defender at all. I don’t know where you get that.
He is a good rebounder. I wouldn’t say excellent. But I’m picky like that. And it’s been 3 years. He lost his rhythm for all 3 years? How? If his contract were up today he wouldn’t even get the rookie max.

And I see the games for free alot closer. Desmond Bane just went for 4 1sts. A player like Jabari on a rookie contract is very valuable. We disagree on his defense and rebounding. I’m not going to argue that. His development has been stunted playing on a deep team like the rockets. Some team would definitely value him at 3 1sts. He brings a lot to the table and it’s hard to find versatile players in the NBA. Especially ones that are young and talented. That said the Rockets are not trading him. It’s a non starter.

[scottspurs]

They’re 10 bucks a ticket. I get bored here in Houston. What team is going to offer 3 FRPs for him? Seriously. You said he’s worth 3 FRPs. No team is going to offer Hou 3 FRPs for Smith. Sengun maybe. Thompson for sure. But Smith???

He isn’t a very good defender at all. I don’t know where you get that.
He is a good rebounder. I wouldn’t say excellent. But I’m picky like that. And it’s been 3 years. He lost his rhythm for all 3 years? How? If his contract were up today he wouldn’t even get the rookie max.
I’ll also add that Jabari is actually younger than Amen Thompson. He is going to be a valuable player in this league for another 10 years.

[Ice009]

Kevin Pelton from ESPN just dropped and insider piece with information on the Spurs.

He says the Spurs offer for Durant is Harrison Barnes, Keldon Johnson, Blake Wesley, Malaki Branham, pick 14 and 2027 hawks 1st

He says the Spurs value Devin Vassell’s shooting and that they would like to keep him or he may be involved in another transaction.

Where did you read/see that Pelton says it's an offer the Spurs made?

According to this article (as I understand it), it was a trade proposal from Kevin Pelton, not an offer from the Spurs
https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/45526277/2025-nba-draft-san-antonio-spurs-keep-no-2-pick-options

[scottspurs]

Where did you read/see that Pelton says it's an offer the Spurs made?

According to this article (as I understand it), it was a trade proposal from Kevin Pelton, not an offer from the Spurs
https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/45526277/2025-nba-draft-san-antonio-spurs-keep-no-2-pick-options

It was on ESPN this morning. I have no knowledge of whether it’s an official offer or not but I makes sense. I get the impression the Spurs are not offering any picks at all or a future protected pick. If the Suns have a offer in the table for pick 10 or pick 14 and they are not taking it they are pretty stupid

[RC_Drunkford]

he's gon be a Spur. Y'all can try to deny it all you want.

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There was no such rumor. That came from bill simmons saying he had a suspicion a trade had been agreed to but then explicitly said this it not based on any sources or intel and said “do not aggregate this”

Yes there was. Bucks insider said he had it on good authority that the deal is already done. Keldon supposedly told somebody it's done. The rumor been out there.

[spurraider21]

he's gon be a Spur. Y'all can try to deny it all you want.

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who is the guy talking?


Yes there was. Bucks insider said he had it on good authority that the deal is already done. Keldon supposedly told somebody it's done. The rumor been out there.
can you provide a link to this bucks insider? or a story about keldon?

[KobesAchilles]

And I see the games for free alot closer. Desmond Bane just went for 4 1sts. A player like Jabari on a rookie contract is very valuable. We disagree on his defense and rebounding. I’m not going to argue that. His development has been stunted playing on a deep team like the rockets. Some team would definitely value him at 3 1sts. He brings a lot to the table and it’s hard to find versatile players in the NBA. Especially ones that are young and talented. That said the Rockets are not trading him. It’s a non starter.
I live in Hou homie. How are you “closer?” Bane is a much better player than Smith. Orlando needs a scoring wing and one that can shoot bc Suggs can’t shoot worth shit. Name brings shooting and scoring to a team in need of both.

Smith is the 3rd pick overall. If he was good enough, he wouldn’t be stunted anywhere. Houston has a glaring need for a consistent scorer which is why they put up with Green to begin with. Sengun can score and then nobody else really can. Van Vleet can get hot but he isn’t consistent. Green puts up shots like crazy but part of his skillset if you will is that he’s one of two people on the team that can. Smith disappears into the background offensively. He can’t dribble drive. He can’t shoot the ball very well. He can’t post and he doesn’t create for others or himself.

Thompson is the only hope for Hou if they strike out with Durant when it comes to scoring. It’s not going to happen next year but maybe in 3 years time. And Smith is in his 4th year same as Sochan who people want to extend. Where is the offer then? In fact it was reported that Houston is fine letting him become a RFA. They’re in no rush.

[vy65]

This is the dude

https://x.com/PeeWeeDaPlug

[RC_Drunkford]

who is the guy talking?


I literally put the second tweet underneath the video, so I don't have to answer that question

[spurraider21]

I literally put the second tweet underneath the video, so I don't have to answer that question
the second tweet does not name the person speaking, so no need to be a cunt about it

[RC_Drunkford]

the second tweet does not name the person speaking, so no need to be a cunt about it

I don't know dudes name. I've seen the podcast before, but I have no clue what the name of that is either.

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[vy65]

Starts at the 1:15 mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK7Qz8WAQgo

[KobesAchilles]

Hmm I guess I’m going to cheer for KD? Tough tbh. We had lost so many playoff series to them that I don’t know how i feel about it. Like I still say we win the championship in 2012 of the ThunderRefs weren’t rigging a KD vs LeBron finals. And 2016 was bullshit too. That “foul” on DG for being 2 hand pushed by Steven Adams into Durant was complete bullshit. We probably still lose to the Warriors but you never know. And then the next year with Beta going to the Warriors and Kawhi getting injured. Ugh

Only good thing is he’s been irrelevant in the playoffs since his warriors run. Idk boys if I can cheer for this dude for the next 2 years.

[100%duncan]

Hmm I guess I’m going to cheer for KD? Tough tbh. We had lost so many playoff series to them that I don’t know how i feel about it. Like I still say we win the championship in 2012 of the ThunderRefs weren’t rigging a KD vs LeBron finals. And 2016 was bullshit too. That “foul” on DG for being 2 hand pushed by Steven Adams into Durant was complete bullshit. We probably still lose to the Warriors but you never know. And then the next year with Beta going to the Warriors and Kawhi getting injured. Ugh

Only good thing is he’s been irrelevant in the playoffs since his warriors run. Idk boys if I can cheer for this dude for the next 2 years.

Your comment got me checking twitter like the news broke already

[CGD]

If the Raptors are indeed offering 9/Jakob/Barrett, Suns would be idiots to pass that up.

[benefactor]

If the Raptors are indeed offering 9/Jakob/Barrett, Suns would be idiots to pass that up.
They aren't going to do that for a rental. Durant will have to agree to an extension. So far there are only three teams he seems to be willing to do that with

[Anto210]

I think this trade will be announced VERY soon. PHX should be realizing they wont be able to squeeze out any more value out of this deal as we get closer to the draft. Reports from Stein and the Athletic discussing KDs hard stance on coming here have killed all momentum. Lots of chatter about us maybe going after a different star down the line has made me second guess this deal, but if we are truly holding firm on our low price then it's hard to say no.

[scottspurs]

I live in Hou homie. How are you “closer?” Bane is a much better player than Smith. Orlando needs a scoring wing and one that can shoot bc Suggs can’t shoot worth shit. Name brings shooting and scoring to a team in need of both.

Smith is the 3rd pick overall. If he was good enough, he wouldn’t be stunted anywhere. Houston has a glaring need for a consistent scorer which is why they put up with Green to begin with. Sengun can score and then nobody else really can. Van Vleet can get hot but he isn’t consistent. Green puts up shots like crazy but part of his skillset if you will is that he’s one of two people on the team that can. Smith disappears into the background offensively. He can’t dribble drive. He can’t shoot the ball very well. He can’t post and he doesn’t create for others or himself.

Thompson is the only hope for Hou if they strike out with Durant when it comes to scoring. It’s not going to happen next year but maybe in 3 years time. And Smith is in his 4th year same as Sochan who people want to extend. Where is the offer then? In fact it was reported that Houston is fine letting him become a RFA. They’re in no rush.

I also live Hou. Rockets are keeping Jabari out of any trade talks because they value him highly. If he gets dealt it won’t be for Durant. I said he is valued at 3 1st not that there is a team in particular trading for him. Jabari’s value is shooting and defense. Udoka has built a team philosophy in Houston and Jabari is one the guys that has bought in. That in and of its self is very valuable. If he hits RFA it’s because the Rockets have to many mouths to feed and they are looking more towards an Amen Extension and Tari Eason Extension. They are going to have a tough time keeping all the young talent. If you want to talk about a player not producing and playing the Role given to him Jabari is not the guy. Reed Sheppard is the one not gettting minutes.

[baseline bum]

he's gon be a Spur. Y'all can try to deny it all you want.

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Yes there was. Bucks insider said he had it on good authority that the deal is already done. Keldon supposedly told somebody it's done. The rumor been out there.

I can't see any good reason the Suns are passing up 9/Poeltl/Quickly/Barrett. Spurs can't come close to that offer. 9 probably gets them Jakucionis, no way he's there at 14.

[sfernald]

You're missing the point. I agree that the suns don't have to do anything and I never suggested the digital ink being spilled here would do anything either. But you're making the point for me: the Suns should trade KD now vs. down the line to preserve more value just like Utah should have traded Lauri last summer compared to now, when he's tanked his value.

I have zero doubt they will trade him this summer. It’s the only thing that makes sense.

[100%duncan]

What do you guys think with the Jaylen Brown chatter? I don't really like the dude basketball wise tbh. And he's for sure going to demand a lot more than a KD package.

I'm also pretty deadset and hyped on Harper going here. The only player I'd understand is Giannis but they're going to ask for Harper and Castle which is a no go.

[RC_Drunkford]

I can't see any good reason the Suns are passing up 9/Poeltl/Quickly/Barrett. Spurs can't come close to that offer. 9 probably gets them Jakucionis, no way he's there at 14.

they gon get Harrison Barnes, #14 and fillers and they will like it

[baseline bum]

What do you guys think with the Jaylen Brown chatter? I don't really like the dude basketball wise tbh. And he's for sure going to demand a lot more than a KD package.

I'm also pretty deadset and hyped on Harper going here. The only player I'd understand is Giannis but they're going to ask for Harper and Castle which is a no go.

Jaylen Brown has negative value with that ridiculous contract. I wouldn't trade Branham and Blair for him.

[baseline bum]

they gon get Harrison Barnes, #14 and fillers and they will like it

Bend over, I'll give you a filler and you're gonna like it.

[100%duncan]

Jaylen Brown has negative value with that ridiculous contract. I wouldn't trade Branham and Blair for him.

That's the main drawback that I don't even understand. But even if things were reasonable contract-wise, I still don't like his style of play. I think he's just a player that's ok in all things but lack any top 10 in the world potential.

[spurraider21]

I don't know dudes name. I've seen the podcast before, but I have no clue what the name of that is either.

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what makes you think thats an insider? usually an insider is a... person. not just some twitter account.

bucks fans seem to think its just an aggregator account

https://www.reddit.com/r/MkeBucks/comments/1l95lrg/bucks_realm/

[SpursFan86]

Not sure I’m buying that Toronto has indeed offered that package. If they did, then Phoenix would’ve jumped all over it IMO. That would be a hefty price to pay for a 1 year rental knowing KD has no intentions of extending, not to mention it’s hard to imagine Toronto really thinks they could contend next year even if it did go through.

Seems like more of the same…reports being leaked to try and get teams like Miami/Houston/SA to increase their offers. Wish Phoenix would just stop fucking around take whatever their best real offer is :lol

[spurraider21]

This is the dude

https://x.com/PeeWeeDaPlug
ah thanks. never heard of him until today lol

im sure he's woj 2.0 tho

[spurraider21]

I can't see any good reason the Suns are passing up 9/Poeltl/Quickly/Barrett. Spurs can't come close to that offer. 9 probably gets them Jakucionis, no way he's there at 14.
either toronto hasnt actually made that offer, or phoenix is going to wait it out until a little closer to the draft to see if the spurs/rox give anything better (spurs adding an additional future pick in addition to #14, rockets offering jabari smith as part of the package, etc)

but if its Green + trash or vassell + 14... raptors deal clears

[100%duncan]

Not sure I’m buying that Toronto has indeed offered that package. If they did, then Phoenix would’ve jumped all over it IMO. That would be a hefty price to pay for a 1 year rental knowing KD has no intentions of extending, not to mention it’s hard to imagine Toronto really thinks they could contend next year even if it did go through.

Seems like more of the same…reports being leaked to try and get teams like Miami/Houston/SA to increase their offers. Wish Phoenix would just stop fucking around take whatever their best real offer is :lol

No way that's true tbh else it doesn't make sense. Only way it's true is if KD is that aggressive at killing non-SA deals.

[lefty]

:lmao

https://youtube.com/shorts/fsFkSBGv_P0?si=uuKus03Mya9Tg2KO

[RC_Drunkford]

what makes you think thats an insider? usually an insider is a... person. not just some twitter account.

bucks fans seem to think its just an aggregator account

https://www.reddit.com/r/MkeBucks/comments/1l95lrg/bucks_realm/

some say he got sources, some say he doesn't. That's why I said it's a rumor. But he's not the only one putting it out there.

[spurraider21]

some say he got sources, some say he doesn't. That's why I said it's a rumor. But he's not the only one putting it out there.
im all aboard getting durant for the Evan/Barnes/14 package... but this is tspence, kevin tran, eric zhang level shit

[Jordan Jackson]

I don’t think anyone is going to put up a great offer for KD. Seems like if he doesn’t get traded to Spurs, he’s just going to walk via free agency and join the Spurs. I think that’s his leverage.

He’s got to either ok another team or Spurs need to
up offer - which I don’t think they should.

[KobesAchilles]

I also live Hou. Rockets are keeping Jabari out of any trade talks because they value him highly. If he gets dealt it won’t be for Durant. I said he is valued at 3 1st not that there is a team in particular trading for him. Jabari’s value is shooting and defense. Udoka has built a team philosophy in Houston and Jabari is one the guys that has bought in. That in and of its self is very valuable. If he hits RFA it’s because the Rockets have to many mouths to feed and they are looking more towards an Amen Extension and Tari Eason Extension. They are going to have a tough time keeping all the young talent. If you want to talk about a player not producing and playing the Role given to him Jabari is not the guy. Reed Sheppard is the one not gettting minutes.
You are saying two conflicting things. They “value him highly.” They also have “too many mouths to feed” so theyre going to focus on other players. If you’re valued highly then you aren’t third in line. Really 4th bc they have to think about FVV too. And really 5th bc they are in the KD sweepstakes.

The Rockets may value him. But if you’re 5th on the team in value and the team who drafted you isn’t even going to offer a rookie max to him then it’s not “high value.” They’re meh on him. And the fact that he’s now a bench player and he’s not even going to be offered a contract and that they are okay with him hitting RFA says exactly how the Rockets feel about him. It’s not high value but I suppose it’s more like hope.

The Rockets are essentially putting him on a prove it deal. And if Smith could actually shoot the ball like you say then he would be playing more minutes. He can’t shoot the ball at all. He’s a shooting “specialist” who really doesn’t shoot the ball well. And his stats his entire career have shown that. It’s why Smith isn’t getting minutes despite “buying in.” He is a mid player. And tbh the Rockets may very well trade him next year if he doesn’t get his shit together.

I actually think the Rockets aren’t including him in this trade package not bc they value him but bc they are going after Booker next year and are going to put him in that package. They are using KD to see what Phoenix values from them and really have no interest if they get him. That’s what I would be doing if I was Hou.

Green. Smith. Sheppard. All of Phoenix FRPs for Booker.

[scottspurs]

You are saying two conflicting things. They “value him highly.” They also have “too many mouths to feed” so theyre going to focus on other players. If you’re valued highly then you aren’t third in line. Really 4th bc they have to think about FVV too. And really 5th bc they are in the KD sweepstakes.

The Rockets may value him. But if you’re 5th on the team in value and the team who drafted you isn’t even going to offer a rookie max to him then it’s not “high value.” They’re meh on him. And the fact that he’s now a bench player and he’s not even going to be offered a contract and that they are okay with him hitting RFA says exactly how the Rockets feel about him. It’s not high value but I suppose it’s more like hope.

The Rockets are essentially putting him on a prove it deal. And if Smith could actually shoot the ball like you say then he would be playing more minutes. He can’t shoot the ball at all. He’s a shooting “specialist” who really doesn’t shoot the ball well. And his stats his entire career have shown that. It’s why Smith isn’t getting minutes despite “buying in.” He is a mid player. And tbh the Rockets may very well trade him next year if he doesn’t get his shit together.

I actually think the Rockets aren’t including him in this trade package not bc they value him but bc they are going after Booker next year and are going to put him in that package. They are using KD to see what Phoenix values from them and really have no interest if they get him. That’s what I would be doing if I was Hou.

Green. Smith. Sheppard. All of Phoenix FRPs for Booker.


again he lost minutes because he broke his hand. Period. I know that for a fact. You have a narrow view of how franchises view their own. But I do agree they are waiting for a bigger fish.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fsFkSBGv_P0

[scott]

Listen… there is one reason and one reason only this deal isn’t done…

It’s because the people here who “want” him (and yes I put that in quotation marks for a reason) are too fucking lazy to get this thread up over 100 pages. Seems like you don’t really “want” him that bad.

When it was Lauri last summer and then especially Fox at the trade deadline, LeBowen and I were busting our asses to get their respective threads over 100 pages, and a hell of a lot faster. You Durant fans move about as fast as 48-year old Durant’s feet these days.

Get your shit together already if you want this deal done.

[Mugen]

Pity post tbh

[timtonymanu]

Listen… there is one reason and one reason only this deal isn’t done…

It’s because the people here who “want” him (and yes I put that in quotation marks for a reason) are too fucking lazy to get this thread up over 100 pages. Seems like you don’t really “want” him that bad.

When it was Lauri last summer and then especially Fox at the trade deadline, LeBowen and I were busting our asses to get their respective threads over 100 pages, and a hell of a lot faster. You Durant fans move about as fast as 48-year old Durant’s feet these days.

Get your shit together already if you want this deal done.

We never got Lauri though.

[scott]

We never got Lauri though.

Lauri thread walked so that De'Aaron thread could run

[poopbox]

I can't see any good reason the Suns are passing up 9/Poeltl/Quickly/Barrett. Spurs can't come close to that offer. 9 probably gets them Jakucionis, no way he's there at 14.

That's not the offer. That's just some stuff some suns dude said the Raptors would be willing to trade for Durant. Mechanically it's not even possible for that trade to work as the Suns are a second Apron team and can't get back more salary than they send out.

[Dex]

Listen… there is one reason and one reason only this deal isn’t done…

It’s because the people here who “want” him (and yes I put that in quotation marks for a reason) are too fucking lazy to get this thread up over 100 pages. Seems like you don’t really “want” him that bad.

When it was Lauri last summer and then especially Fox at the trade deadline, LeBowen and I were busting our asses to get their respective threads over 100 pages, and a hell of a lot faster. You Durant fans move about as fast as 48-year old Durant’s feet these days.

Get your shit together already if you want this deal done.

Bro, if we kill the the hamster that runs this forum then we are all screwed.

[scott]

Bro, if we kill the the hamster that runs this forum then we are all screwed.

KD in a Spurs jersey or ST.com... it's a tough choice for me, but I'm neutral at best on a KD move anyway...

Sometimes, sacrifices must be made.

[BatManu20]

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[quentin_compson]

For what it's worth ...
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/280817/Spurs-Stocking-Assets-For-Future-Star-Trade-Over-Kevin-Durant-Pursuit

[RC_Drunkford]

Listen… there is one reason and one reason only this deal isn’t done…

It’s because the people here who “want” him (and yes I put that in quotation marks for a reason) are too fucking lazy to get this thread up over 100 pages. Seems like you don’t really “want” him that bad.

When it was Lauri last summer and then especially Fox at the trade deadline, LeBowen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=54457) and I were busting our asses to get their respective threads over 100 pages, and a hell of a lot faster. You Durant fans move about as fast as 48-year old Durant’s feet these days.

Get your shit together already if you want this deal done.

I'm working on it man. Need some support :lol

[mystargtr34]

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Posturing by the Suns.

If Durant tells the Wolves he won’t extend then the Wolves won’t be giving up all that for a one year rental.

[baseline bum]

That's not the offer. That's just some stuff some suns dude said the Raptors would be willing to trade for Durant. Mechanically it's not even possible for that trade to work as the Suns are a second Apron team and can't get back more salary than they send out.

Suns aren't in the second apron as they have a couple of scrubs they can cut on non-guaranteed deals to get under it.

[99 Problems]

I'm working on it man. Need some support :lol


:pop: Gas up the riverboats

[tbdog]

Suns are delusional to think they'll trade Durant and get better.

[exstatic]

Suns are delusional to think they'll trade Durant and get better.

They don’t have a choice. He’s pissed that they tried to Luka him at the deadline, so Phoenix can get something this summer or nothing next summer when he walks.

[cd98]

Suns aren't in the second apron as they have a couple of scrubs they can cut on non-guaranteed deals to get under it.

yes but they’ll eventually need to fill out their roster and no guarantee they can do that under second apron. And do they want the consequences of being over the first apron with this roster?

[LeBowen]

Suns are delusional to think they'll trade Durant and get better.

I'd rather say that Suns are delusional if they think they'll abe able to rebuild around Booker.
They blew their load, it failed, it's time to be reasonable and blow it up. Which Ishbia won't do.
Any reasonable GM would trade Booker to get those picks back. They'd also get a couple of good players in return.
He's turning 29 and is at peak value. It's only going to get worse from now on.

It's not even a Bucks-like situation where Giannis is good enough to get them a top6 seed each year, Suns won't even be in the playoffs with Booker and a subpar supporting cast.

[tbdog]

They don’t have a choice. He’s pissed that they tried to Luka him at the deadline, so Phoenix can get something this summer or nothing next summer when he walks.

What I mean is, what they want in return. They were like the 11th seed. They not trading Durant to get better and make the playoffs. They need to do a soft or hard reset. Heck even taking loads of seconds, expiring contracts should be their priority.

[cd98]

Minnesota gave a crazy haul to get Gobert. After one year, they slowly dismantle. They lose Towns. Now they want to give up Gobert for an older Kevin Durant. I don't see how that gets them any closer to beating the Thunder. I just see them falling apart and the Jazz cashing in on those draft picks.

[LeBowen]

What I mean is, what they want in return. They were like the 11th seed. They not trading Durant to get better and make the playoffs. They need to do a soft or hard reset. Heck even taking loads of seconds, expiring contracts should be their priority.

The issue is that Ishbia doesn't accept the reality and wants to keep competing.
That's why they think getting 33 year old Gobert is the best offer for them.

[cd98]

I'd rather say that Suns are delusional if they think they'll abe able to rebuild around Booker.
They blew their load, it failed, it's time to be reasonable and blow it up. Which Ishbia won't do.
Any reasonable GM would trade Booker to get those picks back. They'd also get a couple of good players in return.
He's turning 29 and is at peak value. It's only going to get worse from now on.

It's not even a Bucks-like situation where Giannis is good enough to get them a top6 seed each year, Suns won't even be in the playoffs with Booker and a subpar supporting cast.

At the trade deadline, the Rockets offered to give them all their picks back for Booker. I see that as a no brainer. They should trade Booker and Durant to the Rockets and get a bunch of draft picks and young players and start over. That would be like the Boston trades for Garnett and Ray Allen to go all in.

[exstatic]

yes but they’ll eventually need to fill out their roster and no guarantee they can do that under second apron. And do they want the consequences of being over the first apron with this roster?

If they make the Vassell/Barnes/14 trade with us, we absorb a bunch of salary from them, as Durant makes more than those two combined. Fanspo’s trade machine shows a savings to PHO of about $8.7M.

[cd98]

If they make the Vassell/Barnes/14 trade with us, we absorb a bunch of salary from them, as Durant makes more than those two combined. Fanspo’s trade machine shows a savings to PHO of about $8.7M.

Right, I think that's why we are saying the Suns need to trade Durant. I mean, maybe they can get their trading other parts, but they won't get anything back. The only way to get positive assets back is to trade Durant or Booker. All of the Durant trades involve getting under the 2nd apron and getting some future assets to rebuild or win now (which is nonsense as they will not improve their chances of winning by trading Durant).

[vy65]

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[cutewizard]

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[SpursFan86]

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Funny, this is almost the opposite of what Windhorst just reported :lol Clearly a ton of games being played here by teams/media.

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[Uriel]

So the offers on the table right now are:

Heat - Wiggins, Robinson, #20 and #29
Rockets - Green, #10
Spurs - Vassell, Barnes, #14, and 2nd round picks
TWolves - Gobert, DiVicenzo, Dillingham
Raptors - Poeltl, Barrett, #9

[CGD]

So the offers on the table right now are:

Heat - Wiggins, Robinson, #20 and #29
Rockets - Green, #10
Spurs - Vassell, Barnes, #14, and 2nd round picks
TWolves - Gobert, DiVicenzo, Dillingham
Raptors - Poeltl, Barrett, #9

Except Rockets need to send out more salary to make it work. So it’s some of their young guys, or FVV. And trading the latter is risky since he’s their only PG unless they think Reed is ready. They’re kinda in a bind.

[LeBowen]

For the sake of whataboutism, let's explore some completely unrealistic scenarios.

Suns obviously want the Timberwolves Gobert/Divincenzo offer, maybe with Dillingham or a FRP added, but KD doesn't want to go there.
Spurs would like KD for a reasonable combination of Devin/Keldon/Barnes/Branham/Wesley/#14 with another pick included if Devin stays.

The quesiton is what would Minnesota want in order to make it a 4 team trade? I don't see our offer moving the needle for them, but I think they wouldn't mind replacing Divincenzo and Gobert with Cam Johnson and Claxton.
Raptors package of Barrett and Poeltl would also be good for Minnesota, but Raptors don't want our garbage.


Unrealistic, expanded trade:

Spurs:
KD

Suns:
Gobert
Divincenzo
Dillingham

Timberwolves:
Claxton
Cam Johnson
salary filler

Nets:
Keldon
Barnes
Branham
Wesley
#14
'27 ATL

Nets would value the #14 because they have #8, #19, #26, #27 and want to move up. Could easily get even #3 if they want to and still have multiple FRPs in this draft.

[mo7888]

So the offers on the table right now are:

Heat - Wiggins, Robinson, #20 and #29
Rockets - Green, #10
Spurs - Vassell, Barnes, #14, and 2nd round picks
TWolves - Gobert, DiVicenzo, Dillingham
Raptors - Poeltl, Barrett, #9

If we don't get him then I hope Minnesota or Toronto does. The return from either of those probably keeps them pushing for a play-in thereby making the picks Houston holds less valuable. Also, a better Toronto team helps our Atlanta picks.

Brain may be playing this on perfectly.

[baseline bum]

Except Rockets need to send out more salary to make it work. So it’s some of their young guys, or FVV. And trading the latter is risky since he’s their only PG unless they think Reed is ready. They’re kinda in a bind.

Green and a sign and trade of the #10 pick on July 1st should get them pretty close since Green's salary goes up to $33.3 million on July 1st

[sfernald]

Not sure I’m buying that Toronto has indeed offered that package. If they did, then Phoenix would’ve jumped all over it IMO. That would be a hefty price to pay for a 1 year rental knowing KD has no intentions of extending, not to mention it’s hard to imagine Toronto really thinks they could contend next year even if it did go through.

Seems like more of the same…reports being leaked to try and get teams like Miami/Houston/SA to increase their offers. Wish Phoenix would just stop fucking around take whatever their best real offer is :lol

This will keep going on until draft day. SUNS are serious about trying to extract value from a team. All these new offers are probably just bs but they are trying to slowly force teams to increase their offers. The real final offers will come in draft day no doubt. Someone will bite.

[Dex]

Posturing by the Suns.

If Durant tells the Wolves he won’t extend then the Wolves won’t be giving up all that for a one year rental.

He's basically said he doesn't want to be in Minnesota, so I think that message has been delivered.

The question is whether the Wolves want to pull a Toronto and hope for one shot at the ring...but their team also looks massively different without Rudy and Donte. Not sure if it's really much of an an improvement at that point. Especially in the loaded West.

[sfernald]

So the offers on the table right now are:

Heat - Wiggins, Robinson, #20 and #29
Rockets - Green, #10
Spurs - Vassell, Barnes, #14, and 2nd round picks
TWolves - Gobert, DiVicenzo, Dillingham
Raptors - Poeltl, Barrett, #9

I sort of like the idea of getting in on that raptors trade:

we could take Barrett and send Barnes (expiring) to suns and maybe like 4-5 seconds (to replenish their 2nds cache).

Barrett would be a nice consolation prize at least

[SpursFan86]

This will keep going on until draft day. SUNS are serious about trying to extract value from a team. All these new offers are probably just bs but they are trying to slowly force teams to increase their offers. The real final offers will come in draft day no doubt. Someone will bite.

Unfortunately it’s feeling that way…at this point it does seem like this will get dragged out until next week. Hopefully we’re wrong.

[exstatic]

This will keep going on until draft day. SUNS are serious about trying to extract value from a team. All these new offers are probably just bs but they are trying to slowly force teams to increase their offers. The real final offers will come in draft day no doubt. Someone will bite.
The real offers are on the table now. No one is paying anything for a 37 YO rental who doesn’t want to be on your team. All this is just theater to convince the fan base that they tried.

[KobesAchilles]

If I’m Minny I’m not offering Gobert at all. I know he sucks offensively as all get out but that team would be gawd awful on defense with Randle and KD as your big men.

I don’t want KD on our team really bc I don’t want to extend him. I also don’t like malcontents on the team and Durant is a moody mofo. But if he tanks his trade value for us then that would be nice if all it took was Vassell and Barnes and the 14.

I have no idea why Miami or Toronto even wants him. He can’t carry the franchise and both teams would need him to do so.

Houston is going to offer the farm and the house next offseason for Booker after the Suns finish 13th in the west

[Ice009]

Hmm I guess I’m going to cheer for KD? Tough tbh. We had lost so many playoff series to them that I don’t know how i feel about it. Like I still say we win the championship in 2012 of the ThunderRefs weren’t rigging a KD vs LeBron finals. And 2016 was bullshit too. That “foul” on DG for being 2 hand pushed by Steven Adams into Durant was complete bullshit. We probably still lose to the Warriors but you never know. And then the next year with Beta going to the Warriors and Kawhi getting injured. Ugh

Only good thing is he’s been irrelevant in the playoffs since his warriors run. Idk boys if I can cheer for this dude for the next 2 years.

I hated him ever since the 2012 playoffs. I felt we could have won that one if it wasn't for all those touch fouls and what, to me, looked like an agenda from the NBA to make it an OKC vs. Heat finals and start a new rivalry between KD & LeBron. 2016, we had a real chance there too, but like you said, no guarantee of beating the Warriors that year if we did beat OKC. 2012, though, I think OKC got skull-f#cked in the finals because, well, they shouldn't have been there in the first place. I also don't like that he picked the Warriors in 2016 over the Spurs.

The 2017 Warriors series, we'll never know how that would have ended if Kawhi didn't get hurt, so I can't comment on that one too much as it was only one game (based on the form/very high level the Spurs were playing at as a team going into that series, though, I think they had a chance).


If I’m Minny I’m not offering Gobert at all. I know he sucks offensively as all get out but that team would be gawd awful on defense with Randle and KD as your big men.

I don’t want KD on our team really bc I don’t want to extend him. I also don’t like malcontents on the team and Durant is a moody mofo. But if he tanks his trade value for us then that would be nice if all it took was Vassell and Barnes and the 14.

I have no idea why Miami or Toronto even wants him. He can’t carry the franchise and both teams would need him to do so.

Houston is going to offer the farm and the house next offseason for Booker after the Suns finish 13th in the west

I'm starting to agree with your stance of not really wanting him if it costs more than what you've just mentioned. If the Spurs did get him and he got close to a max extension, I feel he owes us 1 or 2 Championships. I'd forget about all the previous stuff if the Spurs won 1-2 rings with him on the team playing a role in it, or even if he teaches players like Victor enough and the Spurs eventually win a few after he's gone, I'd let some of my hate towards him go.

I always wonder if Kawhi also felt similar about it and that being a reason why he didn't go to the player pitch when they were recruiting him. I know the story was Kawhi was busy with a baby on the way, but I think Kawhi didn't really like him for the "system player" comments and the series the Spurs played against OKC up to that point.

[vy65]

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Preach brother, preach

[LeBowen]

If I’m Minny I’m not offering Gobert at all. I know he sucks offensively as all get out but that team would be gawd awful on defense with Randle and KD as your big men.

I don't think they'd be keeping Randle if they get KD.
Gobert has to go because they can't get any better with him, he's just too limited and gets exploited in the playoffs.
Suns are the only sucker that would take him as a positive asset.

Timberwolves would then probably try to find a S&T partner for Randle in order to get a better big. Or they'd just let Randle walk.


I have no idea why Miami or Toronto even wants him. He can’t carry the franchise and both teams would need him to do so.

Masai is another delusional GM and he thinks Raptors can compete with KD.
Miami is trying to lowball the Suns with the worst offer out any interested party. Riley also never tanks and they got Herro/Bam which aren't that good, but prevent them from tanking in horrible East.

[KobesAchilles]

I don't think they'd be keeping Randle if they get KD.
Gobert has to go because they can't get any better with him, he's just too limited and gets exploited in the playoffs.
Suns are the only sucker that would take him as a positive asset.

Timberwolves would then probably try to find a S&T partner for Randle in order to get a better big. Or they'd just let Randle walk.



Masai is another delusional GM and he thinks Raptors can compete with KD.
Miami is trying to lowball the Suns with the worst offer out any interested party. Riley also never tanks and they got Herro/Bam which aren't that good, but prevent them from tanking in horrible East.
I mean it makes sense to upgrade at center. And it makes sense to move on from Gobert. I’m not against that at all. I’m just saying you can’t trade KD for Gobert. Tbh there aren’t that many good big men out there that really cover Minnys weaknesses. If I was Minny, I’d go after JJJ. I think him and Ant going forward would be a great pairing.

Tbh I don’t really know how the west is going to be after next season. There are so many wild cards out there. Like OKC could legitimately run the table for the next 2 seasons in the West. And there are so many teams that are close to blowing it up after this coming season. Like would it surprise you to see any of these teams to make huge changes to their roster next year:
Suns
Memphis
Dallas
NOP
Kings
Clips
Denver

The Spurs I believe need to be patient this offseason.

[KobesAchilles]

I hated him ever since the 2012 playoffs. I felt we could have won that one if it wasn't for all those touch fouls and what, to me, looked like an agenda from the NBA to make it an OKC vs. Heat finals and start a new rivalry between KD & LeBron. 2016, we had a real chance there too, but like you said, no guarantee of beating the Warriors that year if we did beat OKC. 2012, though, I think OKC got skull-f#cked in the finals because, well, they shouldn't have been there in the first place. I also don't like that he picked the Warriors in 2016 over the Spurs.

The 2017 Warriors series, we'll never know how that would have ended if Kawhi didn't get hurt, so I can't comment on that one too much as it was only one game (based on the form/very high level the Spurs were playing at as a team going into that series, though, I think they had a chance).



I'm starting to agree with your stance of not really wanting him if it costs more than what you've just mentioned. If the Spurs did get him and he got close to a max extension, I feel he owes us 1 or 2 Championships. I'd forget about all the previous stuff if the Spurs won 1-2 rings with him on the team playing a role in it, or even if he teaches players like Victor enough and the Spurs eventually win a few after he's gone, I'd let some of my hate towards him go.

I always wonder if Kawhi also felt similar about it and that being a reason why he didn't go to the player pitch when they were recruiting him. I know the story was Kawhi was busy with a baby on the way, but I think Kawhi didn't really like him for the "system player" comments and the series the Spurs played against OKC up to that point.
The more I’m thinking about it, the more I’m leaning against this trade. In fact, I would make going after Sochan my priority with a team friendly deal. I would extend him this year and show him that we believe and have faith in Sochan. Bc if Sochan works out, we don’t really need KD.

And if Sochan doesn’t really work out, then we could include him in a trade package for a better player. The West is about to be all outta whack after this season. Major changes are coming for pretty much every team once OKC wins the west again. We shouldn’t be buyers this season. If anything we need to be sellers. And get more picks bc pretty soon the wild Wild West is going to have big time names available.

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[LeBowen]

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Call me Nostradamus.

[scott]

I'm working on it man. Need some support :lol

I respect your hustle and wish I could offer more help… but since I’m only neutral on KD.. this is the best I can do. I am rooting for you though! :lol

[Ice009]

The more I’m thinking about it, the more I’m leaning against this trade. In fact, I would make going after Sochan my priority with a team friendly deal. I would extend him this year and show him that we believe and have faith in Sochan. Bc if Sochan works out, we don’t really need KD.

And if Sochan doesn’t really work out, then we could include him in a trade package for a better player. The West is about to be all outta whack after this season. Major changes are coming for pretty much every team once OKC wins the west again. We shouldn’t be buyers this season. If anything we need to be sellers. And get more picks bc pretty soon the wild Wild West is going to have big time names available.

Nice counterapproach to what a lot of people here are thinking. I mean, that is why I don't want to waste too many assets for KD, but even without wasting many assets, I assume his salary is going to stop the Spurs from being able to be buyers if some of those big names might become available in 2026 onwards, so the Spurs would have to pass on him now if they want to be a buyer then. Some outlets have suggested they might be looking at that approach with the timeline comments I read about the Spurs looking/waiting for something that might be more in their timeline, but don't know if that is just posturing.
Again, personally, I just want him for what I believe he can teach Victor. I think he can actually teach Victor some things and really help him out on the offensive side of the ball. If there wasn't a player on the team I thought he could legitimately teach something to help them become one of the all-time greats, I don't think I'd want him on the team just for his play only. Then as a secondary reason, he's such a great shooter, he really could be a great pressure release valve for the young players we have that aren't quite great shooters yet. Steph, Fox, Dylan can all drive in and it would be great to have someone like KD to kick it out to if they have to.

[Seventyniner]

How could KD shoot the deal down himself? If he refuses to sign an extension with the Wolves it won't matter what other teams they try to pull into the trade.

[mo7888]

How could KD shoot the deal down himself? If he refuses to sign an extension with the Wolves it won't matter what other teams they try to pull into the trade.

That's how he shot it down...he refused to sign..

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[LeBowen]

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They're reivisiting and having him reject them again?

[vy65]

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lolololol