Phoenix Suns expect to part ways with Kevin Durant this offseason. Could the Spurs be a good landing place?

[scott]

I’d be all for getting KD for Vassell + Keldon if that’s all it took. I wouldn’t even extend KD right away, I’d just let him expire and look at the trade as a way to get off Dev and Keldon’s money. Maybe you resign KD using his bird rights, maybe you don’t.

[baseline bum]

the thing about trades, especially one for KD level players, is that to get something you want you may have to give something you dont want

fwiw i've been against the durant trade because i dont think its worth for us to send picks to get him when the team isnt really in a "win now" position at this time. not with this skeleton roster, and not with this coaching staff

Yeah I really only want him if it's a fleecing, like Friendship Crew (Evin & Kelon) plus either the lesser 2025 or maybe the 2029 pick. And only if our shitty private equity owners are willing to pay hefty luxury tax for a year since the last year of a KD 2 year extension would coincide with the first year of a Wemby supermax.

[baseline bum]

I’d be all for getting KD for Vassell + Keldon if that’s all it took. I wouldn’t even extend KD right away, I’d just let him expire and look at the trade as a way to get off Dev and Keldon’s money. Maybe you resign KD using his bird rights, maybe you don’t.

Don't think KD is going for that at all. It would be seen as super disrespectful for the Spurs to trade for KD just to not pay him and would really hurt the team with other players' agents. If the Spurs are trading for KD it's going to be with a two year 35% max extension most likely.

[scott]

Don't think KD is going for that at all. It would be seen as super disrespectful for the Spurs to trade for KD just to not pay him and would really hurt the team with other players' agents. If the Spurs are trading for KD it's going to be with a two year 35% max extension most likely.

Then I’m out.

[baseline bum]

Then I’m out.

I think you can salary dump Evin and Kelon without pissing off every agent in the league. Would make a world of difference if it was just a one year extension so we didn't have to worry about paying two supermaxes for one year in 27-28.

[scott]

I think you can salary dump Evin and Kelon without pissing off every agent in the league. Would make a world of difference if it was just a one year extension so we didn't have to worry about paying two supermaxes for one year in 27-28.

A lot of these older guys (LeBron, Harden) like doing what are efffectively 1+1 deals every year… KD may be open to that.

KD isn’t worth it if we have to commit to him for more than one year at a time, IMO. I’m operating under the assumption that our ownership is going to want to stay below the tax line for as long as possible, so I see 3 years of a max KD deal as a pretty significant restriction on our ability to do anything else. We’d still be okay by the league’s cap rules, but probably not by the Spurs ownership financial requirements.

[baseline bum]

A lot of these older guys (LeBron, Harden) like doing what are efffectively 1+1 deals every year… KD may be open to that.

KD isn’t worth it if we have to commit to him for more than one year at a time, IMO. I’m operating under the assumption that our ownership is going to want to stay below the tax line for as long as possible, so I see 3 years of a max KD deal as a pretty significant restriction on our ability to do anything else. We’d still be okay by the league’s cap rules, but probably not by the Spurs ownership financial requirements.

1+1 still puts the Spurs in the same bad situation with regards to 27-28 since KD is under contract for $54 million for 25-26 so that +1 is effectively a player option supermax for the 27-28 year Wemby's likely supermax starts.

[scott]

1+1 still puts the Spurs in the same bad situation with regards to 27-28 since KD is under contract for $54 million for 25-26 so that +1 is effectively a player option supermax for the 27-28 year Wemby's likely supermax starts.

They always seem to opt out of the second year, because a new 35% max is bigger than the second year of a 35% + 8% max raise. That would be the idea here.

[baseline bum]

They always seem to opt out of the second year, because a new 35% max is bigger than the second year of a 35% + 8% max raise. That would be the idea here.

That would be KD's age 39 year when he has probably fallen off hard and wouldn't get anything close to a 35% max offer in free agency. No one else is going to age like LeBron. Hell, 36 YO KD is aging worse than 40 YO LeBron.

[scott]

That would be KD's age 39 year when he has probably fallen off hard and wouldn't get anything close to a 35% max offer in free agency. No one else is going to age like LeBron. Hell, 36 YO KD is aging worse than 40 YO LeBron.

Sounds like a good reason to not trade for him.

[Spurminator]

Would have loved to see KD make a swing through San Antonio during his great nomadic career, but count me out at this point. His defensive effort is nonexistent and I'm not convinced he'll be enough of a + player next year to sacrifice minutes that could be going to a better long term bet.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

1+1 still puts the Spurs in the same bad situation with regards to 27-28 since KD is under contract for $54 million for 25-26 so that +1 is effectively a player option supermax for the 27-28 year Wemby's likely supermax starts.

Yeah…let the Suns wallow in the sh!tshow they’ve created. Spurs shouldn’t help bail them out. PHX will run on the treadmill of mediocrity until Durant’s days are over.

[baseline bum]

Yeah…let the Suns wallow in the sh!tshow they’ve created. Spurs shouldn’t help bail them out. PHX will run on the treadmill of mediocrity until Durant’s days are over.

I don't think trading them Evin and Kelon would be bailing them out tbh. I'd only give them one first though: either the lesser 2025 or the 2029 pick, assuming the ownership group committed to paying a lot of of tax for the 27-28 season before KD's deal came off the books.

[ginobilized]

I'd prioritize trying to get Naz Reid or Santi Aldama over KD at this point. He'd be option # 3 for a tall forward this summer.

[baseline bum]

I'd prioritize trying to get Naz Reid or Santi Aldama over KD at this point. He'd be option # 3 for a tall forward this summer.

I'd love to have them but the Spurs have no capspace to chase Reid and instead of Aldama I think I'd rather hire his Finnish assistant coach in Memphis to be head coach here and install that offense that is making Aldama look so impressive.

[scott]

Would love Naz, or Santi, or both... I think both guys stay with their current teams though.

[spurraider21]

I'd love to have them but the Spurs have no capspace to chase Reid and instead of Aldama I think I'd rather hire his Finnish assistant coach in Memphis to be head coach here and install that offense that is making Aldama look so impressive.
they'd have to land Reid in a sign and trade. we do have contracts we could offload to create space

[baseline bum]

they'd have to land Reid in a sign and trade. we do have contracts we could offload to create space

Spurs will probably be near the cap after their two draft picks, so I'm guessing they'd have to clear about $33-$41 million in capspace to sign him outright, depending on where those picks fall. Otherwise they have no leverage unless Reid so badly wants out of Minnesota that he'd go sign in Brooklyn, which is probably unlikely given he wanted to stay in Minnesota so badly he took a paycut on his last contract.

[spurraider21]

Spurs will probably be near the cap after their two draft picks, so I'm guessing they'd have to clear about $33-$41 million in capspace to sign him outright, depending on where those picks fall. Otherwise they have no leverage unless Reid so badly wants out of Minnesota that he'd go sign in Brooklyn, which is probably unlikely given he wanted to stay in Minnesota so badly he took a paycut on his last contract.
obviously in a sign and trade, just like an outright signing, you need the player to want to join your team. that goes without saying.

post fox trade, the dreams of signing anybody notable outright were more or less gone. we'd have the MLE, thats it. would have to be s&T to land somebody good like reid or even aldama.

[baseline bum]

obviously in a sign and trade, just like an outright signing, you need the player to want to join your team. that goes without saying.

post fox trade, the dreams of signing anybody notable outright were more or less gone. we'd have the MLE, thats it. would have to be s&T to land somebody good like reid or even aldama.

No you need more, you need the player wanting out so badly he's willing to sign in Brooklyn to try force Minnesota's hand

[Seventyniner]

obviously in a sign and trade, just like an outright signing, you need the player to want to join your team. that goes without saying.

post fox trade, the dreams of signing anybody notable outright were more or less gone. we'd have the MLE, thats it. would have to be s&T to land somebody good like reid or even aldama.

In the Wolves' case, the whole reason they will have to let Reid walk is that they can't afford to keep him. That also means they wouldn't be able to afford to take in players making similar salary, so I can't see them doing a Reid S&T unless a team with cap space (iirc only the Nets will have an appreciable amount) absorbs a contract, which only pushes the price that Reid's new team has to pay.

[exstatic]

In the Wolves' case, the whole reason they will have to let Reid walk is that they can't afford to keep him. That also means they wouldn't be able to afford to take in players making similar salary, so I can't see them doing a Reid S&T unless a team with cap space (iirc only the Nets will have an appreciable amount) absorbs a contract, which only pushes the price that Reid's new team has to pay.

Three team trade. We get Naz, BKN gets ending contracts and some seconds. BKN conveys some nearly useless asset to MIN. We send a protected FRP to MIN, maybe something like CHI sent us for DeRozan, also a sign and trade, 1-10,1-8,1-8.

[spurraider21]

In the Wolves' case, the whole reason they will have to let Reid walk is that they can't afford to keep him. That also means they wouldn't be able to afford to take in players making similar salary, so I can't see them doing a Reid S&T unless a team with cap space (iirc only the Nets will have an appreciable amount) absorbs a contract, which only pushes the price that Reid's new team has to pay.
or if its just Reid wanting to play somewhere else

with that said he has a pretty nice gig in minnesota

[buttsR4rebounding]

I wanna fuck Angie Dickenson. Let's see who gets lucky first.

Angie is 93 years old. Please be gentle...

[baseline bum]

Angie is 93 years old. Please be gentle...

Yeah and I’m playing shortstop for the Mets

[rankingtear]

Naz Reid is a shit starting 4 man according to their fans. Naz Reid truthers is this true?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I don't think trading them Evin and Kelon would be bailing them out tbh. I'd only give them one first though: either the lesser 2025 or the 2029 pick, assuming the ownership group committed to paying a lot of of tax for the 27-28 season before KD's deal came off the books.

True. One FRP with those two thrown in would be well worth it. With Devin less is more. I think the team was better when he was hurt

[KobesAchilles]

Naz Reid is a shit starting 4 man according to their fans. Naz Reid truthers is this true?
The problem is more that he isn’t a star player and he wants star player money. For Minny he was expected to take a big leap this year and he just didn’t. On our team however he would just be asked to hit shots, play defense, and battle for boards. All of this is well in realm of him having a successful career here as a Spurs as long as we don’t expect an all star player.

[RC_Drunkford]

we need to trade for one of Reid, Aldama or John Collins. Collins is actually the most realistic option out of the 3.

[exstatic]

we need to trade for one of Reid, Aldama or John Collins. Collins is actually the most realistic option out of the 3.

Not realistic with Ainge being their GM. He drafted Walker Kessler in the 20s, and now wants two FRPs. You won’t get Collins for a reasonable price, and the Spurs won’t move Ainge level assets for him.

[scott]

Not realistic with Ainge being their GM. He drafted Walker Kessler in the 20s, and now wants two FRPs. You won’t get Collins for a reasonable price, and the Spurs won’t move Ainge level assets for him.

What does where he was drafted have to do with his market value?

[TD 21]

Aldama and Reid are more than likely staying put. Those teams made cap related trades (Smart, Towns) in part to retain them (and extend Jackson Jr.).

Alexander-Walker is likely gone. Clark looks like a young/inexpensive replacement + Dillingham and Shannon Jr. are waiting in the wings.

Collins is the exact type of big the Spurs have avoided. They prefer C's who can pass and PF's who are converted wings.

Bigs I could see them pursuing: Carter Jr., Sharpe, Capela, Nance Jr., Kornet, Adams, Looney.

[RC_Drunkford]

Not realistic with Ainge being their GM. He drafted Walker Kessler in the 20s, and now wants two FRPs. You won’t get Collins for a reasonable price, and the Spurs won’t move Ainge level assets for him.

he got 1 year left on his deal, he‘s not getting more than 1 first for him

[exstatic]

he got 1 year left on his deal, he‘s not getting more than 1 first for him

He’s restricted at that point. It’s not like he’s going to walk.

[djohn2oo8]

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If KD wants to come, I’m down for it. I’m not trading them all of their picks back unless Booker comes too.

[LeBowen]

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If KD wants to come, I’m down for it. I’m not trading them all of their picks back unless Booker comes too.

Rockets don't have any negative contracts for salary matching.
I'd offer just Brooks and one of Green/Sengun for KD. No picks.

I feel like Sengun is the odd man out. Can't win playoff series with a big who can't shoot or protect the rim.
Rockets are smart and will sell while he has high value.

[djohn2oo8]

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[Ice009]

I actually kind of like the Rockets. I haven't watched them all season apart from the games against the Spurs, but I've been looking at results and the standings all season. Do you think they can hold onto the number 2 seed?

I am going to try and start watching them a bit as it's getting closer to the playoffs. Really interested to see how they go there. I'll be going for them against specific teams. I like what Ime has done there and I want to see how far Thompson has progressed. I don't know if I want them trading for Durant as I kind of like their current team. Not sure I'd want to watch them if Durant went there. Not sure if I even want Durant on the Spurs.

I think going for Booker would be who the Rockets should be looking at if they were to work with Phoenix on a trade.

[baseline bum]

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If KD wants to come, I’m down for it. I’m not trading them all of their picks back unless Booker comes too.

I wouldn't give them any of their picks back for KD. They're eventually going to have to trade you Booker if you guys hold out. They're only screwing themselves by refusing to trade Booker yet since you guys are going to get their lottery pick this year. :lol

[djohn2oo8]

I wouldn't give them any of their picks back for KD. They're eventually going to have to trade you Booker if you guys hold out. They're only screwing themselves by refusing to trade Booker yet since you guys are going to get their lottery pick this year. :lol
Right :lol

I actually can’t believe they are being this dumb. Brooklyn saw the need to get their own picks back. The Suns don’t want to actually rebuild for some strange reason.

[TD 21]

I wouldn't give them any of their picks back for KD. They're eventually going to have to trade you Booker if you guys hold out. They're only screwing themselves by refusing to trade Booker yet since you guys are going to get their lottery pick this year. :lol

Maybe, but consider that Ishbia doesn't care about the draft, so even though his/Booker's local Pistons don't have the same caliber of draft capital as the Rockets, they still have most of theirs, the financial flexibility to drop the Suns below the second apron and are out of conference.

I could see a package of Ivey, Stewart, Fontecchio and multiple 1sts/swaps getting it done.

[baseline bum]

Maybe, but consider that Ishbia doesn't care about the draft, so even though his/Booker's local Pistons don't have the same caliber of draft capital as the Rockets, they still have most of theirs, the financial flexibility to drop the Suns below the second apron and are out of conference.

I could see a package of Ivey, Stewart, Fontecchio and multiple 1sts/swaps getting it done.

Your own picks are way more valuable than anyone else's in a rebuild and especially better than those from the Pistons who are a low end playoff team and will probably be somewhere around the play-in level for the next few years.

[TD 21]

Your own picks are way more valuable than anyone else's in a rebuild and especially better than those from the Pistons who are a low end playoff team and will probably be somewhere around the play-in level for the next few years.

Of course. I'm not questioning whether the Rockets have the best package to offer, I'm questioning whether it'll appeal most to Ishbia.

[baseline bum]

Of course. I'm not questioning whether the Rockets have the best package to offer, I'm questioning whether it'll appeal most to Ishbia.

LOL well Ishiba is definitely a dipshit. But this looks way better for Phoenix with the 25 and 29 swaps returned as well the 27 pick. Even if you don't like Smith and/or Brooks both of them are going to have nice trade value to expand it to a three or four team deal. But I also love Sheppard and think he'll blow up if given a chance to get minutes and develop on a team that's not trying to contend for a title right now like Houston is.

https://i.ibb.co/YFzyFh1f/trade.png

[BatManu20]

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[LeBowen]

Would be perfect timeline wise, tbh.
One year on this deal and then 2 more before Castle's extension kicks in.
Would also be perfect fit wise, it's just that I don't really like him as a character, but whatever, if it means Devin is going the other way, I'll take it.
Wemby would be the biggest benefector from his mentorship...but only as far as skills go, we don't want him taking career advice from KD. :lol

Devin, Keldon and a lottery protected FRP would be my best offer.
KD can pick and choose where he goes and not many teams would offer more. Not a player we must get at all costs.
Throw in some seconds since they have none.

It's time for them to blow it up, send Booker to Houston for their picks and have Evan and Kelvin lead them to promised Dybantsa land.

[Atl Spur]

Aldama should be a Spur next year; he’s perfect for our program. Hopefully he loved Jenkins as the coach….

[lefty]

Nah fuck KD
Let’s get Giannis tbh

[LeBowen]

Nah fuck KD
Let’s get Giannis tbh

Giannis would cost everything other than Wemby and Fox.
In a couple of years we'd have declining Giannis, Fox on the wrong side of 30 and nothing to rebuild with around Wemby.

[poopbox]

we need to trade for one of Reid, Aldama or John Collins. Collins is actually the most realistic option out of the 3.

Funny because when we traded Dejounte to ATL they tried to throw Collins in the trade and the spurs declined.

Declined Hunter as well.

Oh and it's almost a 0% chance we trade for Collins, because he has a player option for next year he is probably turning down to enter free agency. This is the last non option year of his current contract.

I do think their is a chance that the Spurs sign him in free agency, though not a high one, because he would take minutes away from pet cat Sochan.

[LeBowen]

Funny because when we traded Dejounte to ATL they tried to throw Collins in the trade and the spurs declined.

Declined Hunter as well.

Oh and it's almost a 0% chance we trade for Collins, because he has a player option for next year he is probably turning down to enter free agency. This is the last non option year of his current contract.

I do think their is a chance that the Spurs sign him in free agency, though not a high one, because he would take minutes away from pet cat Sochan.

I'm not so sure he'll decline that option, $26.5M is a lot of money. I don't think he'll get offers higher than $20M a year if he enters free agency. Not many teams that could use him have cap space.

He'd be perfect for a three man PF/C rotation with Wemby and Jeremy. Any combination could play together.
There aren't any great free agent Cs on the markter this summer, Collins might just be the best option even though he's not a traditional C.

[Ice009]

Nah fuck KD
Let’s get Giannis tbh

I think KD's skillset would be better for Victor to learn from (not anything off the court, though). I would prefer Giannis, but like LeBowen said, it would likely cost too much and the team would have to be gutted and a lot of draft picks sent away. What would the Spurs use to retool with?

[lefty]

Giannis would cost everything other than Wemby and Fox.
In a couple of years we'd have declining Giannis, Fox on the wrong side of 30 and nothing to rebuild with around Wemby.

I know lol
It was just wishful thinking

[scott]

If I had a choice, I'd rather have Santi, Herb Jones and money left over than Durant, tbh.

[LeBowen]

If I had a choice, I'd rather have Santi, Herb Jones and money left over than Durant, tbh.

Would you rather have Santi, Herb, Kelvin and Evan or KD? ;)

[scott]

Would you rather have Santi, Herb, Kelvin and Evan or KD? ;)

Evan and Kevin need to get moved in both scenarios is my assumption… but I’d actually be okay with one of them staying (but only one, they can’t play together on a winning team) in a bench scorer role. But to get Santi and/or Herb you have to send one of them out.

To answer your question… hmmm… idk. Probably KD if those are the choices.

[poopbox]

I'm not so sure he'll decline that option, $26.5M is a lot of money. I don't think he'll get offers higher than $20M a year if he enters free agency. Not many teams that could use him have cap space.

He'd be perfect for a three man PF/C rotation with Wemby and Jeremy. Any combination could play together.
There aren't any great free agent Cs on the markter this summer, Collins might just be the best option even though he's not a traditional C.

I'm banking on the fact that Collins would be more interested in a longer term deal making less than he does per year now than just picking up his option making 26.5 this one time and then just rolling the dice on getting injured or having a bad year and suppressing his value.

I think he might can get around 20 - 22, but he definitely isn't getting 26.5 million a year on his next deal. I think he is a really good fit for the team I want the Spurs to build, but the team I want the Spurs to be doesn't have Jeremy Sochan on it, and the Spurs are definitely going to keep Sochan on the team, and I see Collins as much more of a 4 than a 5, so I think the Spurs chances of actually signing him are exceptionally slim, as not to get in the way of their pet cat.

[LeBowen]

I'm banking on the fact that Collins would be more interested in a longer term deal making less than he does per year now than just picking up his option making 26.5 this one time and then just rolling the dice on getting injured or having a bad year and suppressing his value.

I think he might can get around 20 - 22, but he definitely isn't getting 26.5 million a year on his next deal. I think he is a really good fit for the team I want the Spurs to build, but the team I want the Spurs to be doesn't have Jeremy Sochan on it, and the Spurs are definitely going to keep Sochan on the team, and I see Collins as much more of a 4 than a 5, so I think the Spurs chances of actually signing him are exceptionally slim, as not to get in the way of their pet cat.

80/4 would be a fair deal for Collins.
He'd give us a lot of flexibility with the lineups.
36% career 3pt shooter even with that 29% season when he had a fucked up finger.

Unlike Jeremy, he'd be fine as a backup big, would enable us to play small lineups and run benches off the floor.
I really wanted him while we were still trying to compete, then we blew it up and he had a down year due to his finger, but he's been very good in Utah.

[ambchang]

Evan and Kevin need to get moved in both scenarios is my assumption… but I’d actually be okay with one of them staying (but only one, they can’t play together on a winning team) in a bench scorer role. But to get Santi and/or Herb you have to send one of them out.

To answer your question… hmmm… idk. Probably KD if those are the choices.

I actually see keldon having some use on the spurs in the future as he could be a useful bench scorer. At $17.5M for the next couple of years his contract isn’t terrible and he can pair with sochan off the bench and be part of a respectable lineup.

Devin though I just don’t see much of a future, unless he can transform himself into a catch and shoot guy and get back to his defense from a few years ago. But instead of changing him to that player might as well get one off the market.

[lefty]

I think KD's skillset would be better for Victor to learn from (not anything off the court, though). I would prefer Giannis, but like LeBowen said, it would likely cost too much and the team would have to be gutted and a lot of draft picks sent away. What would the Spurs use to retool with?

I would rather have no KD than having KD tbh

Great player, but he would take touches away from young players who are still developing.

[spurraider21]

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[BatManu20]

I respect that mentality from D-Book, but his prime is definitely going to be wasted away on that team for the foreseeable future. He turns 29 this year -- Really not an ideal age to head into a soft rebuild tbh.

[Seventyniner]

Uh Book, you don't have a no-trade clause. Though he is the player the Suns least want to trade.

[baseline bum]

I remember when Kawhi said he wanted to play his entire career in San Antonio too.

[TD 21]

I have no doubt that Booker's preference is to remain a Sun for the remainder of his career or even that he believes that he will at the moment, but like so many before in a similar predicament, given his age and how bleak their situation is, it's only a matter of time.

If the Mavericks and Suns can make a three team or separate trade to satisfy the apron rules, it wouldn't surprise me if the Mavericks emerge as a stealth contender for Durant.

Foolish as it sounds, I could see Washington, Gafford, Thompson, salary ballast and multiple 1sts/swaps appealing to the Suns.

[Ice009]

I respect Booker for wanting to do this, I really do, but the only thing I can think about is Houston getting high picks as I'm not sure how the Suns are going to win games.

Maybe they're going to have to try really hard to trade Durant there for at least one of their picks back.

[BatManu20]

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[scott]

Assuming the wording of this tweet paraphrasing Shams is correct, and KD had interest in the Wolves and Heat, that is the most interesting nugget of info to me, considering both of those teams reportedly had interest in KD. The Wolves especially since they have historically been willing to get aggressive with trades to get what they want. I can't see the Spurs wanting to pay the price if it's a competitive bidding war with multiple teams interested.

[spurraider21]

Evan, Keldon, the better of our 2025 picks (assuming we dont jump into top 4), and a swap somewhere down the line. give them some SRPs. id make them take on Branham too

anything more than that and its thanks but no thanks. love KD the player but timeline is a huge concern.

[LeBowen]

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Knicks? Welcome home, Mikal Bridges. :lol
Twolves? McDaniels and Randle?
Rockets? I don't think they want KD, Booker is their priority.
Spurs? We went over it many times, I'd do it for Devin+Keldon+lottery protected FRP+a bunch of SRPs. Lowball, but I'm not that interested.
Heat? They kind of don't have any players Suns would want, just Wiggins. Could work if Herro goes to a third team.

[spurraider21]

Knicks? Welcome home, Mikal Bridges. :lol
Twolves? McDaniels and Randle?
Rockets? I don't think they want KD, Booker is their priority.
Spurs? We went over it many times, I'd do it for Devin+Keldon+lottery protected FRP+a bunch of SRPs. Lowball, but I'm not that interested.
Heat? They kind of don't have any players Suns would want, just Wiggins. Could work if Herro goes to a third team.
they can prioritize whatever they want, but if the suns dont put booker on the table, i dont think houston will just sit around with their dicks in their hand

[BatManu20]

they can prioritize whatever they want, but if the suns dont put booker on the table, i dont think houston will just sit around with their dicks in their hand

Seconded. Booker said yesterday he wants to retire a Phoenix Sun. I believe him (for now) and therefor think that PHX won't move him (yet). Once the Rockets inevitably get knocked out of the Playoffs because they can't generate enough offense, I think they'll definitely make a run at KD thinking he might be just what they need, even if he's not.

[scott]

Evan, Keldon, the better of our 2025 picks (assuming we dont jump into top 4), and a swap somewhere down the line. give them some SRPs. id make them take on Branham too

anything more than that and its thanks but no thanks. love KD the player but timeline is a huge concern.

Saw a proposal on nbatradeideas sub-reddit where it was Vassell, Barnes SA25 and ATL27 for KD and the response was overwhelmingly that Phoenix says no.

Granted, every team thinks their players are worth more than they actually are... but if that's PHX's expectations then they can continue to fuck themselves

Edit: saw multiple comments (maybe from the same person) in regard to this proposal, "the picks are good, the players are not". The secret might be out on Vassell.

[LeBowen]

they can prioritize whatever they want, but if the suns dont put booker on the table, i dont think houston will just sit around with their dicks in their hand

Yeah, they'll make a move somewhere else, I just don't think they're that high on KD unless they can get him for cheap.
They have '25, '27 and '29 unprotected, Suns can't get more than one of those back for KD. Rockets seem to be ran by competent people these days.

Imo, their biggest need isn't just a #1 scoring option, but a #1 creator. At this stage of his career KD is just an executioner, we see how it's going without a legit point guard in Phoenix.
Rockets need someone who's going to lead that team, then they'll become really dangerous.

[LeBowen]

Saw a proposal on nbatradeideas sub-reddit where it was Vassell, Barnes SA25 and ATL27 for KD and the response was overwhelmingly that Phoenix says no.

Granted, every team thinks their players are worth more than they actually are... but if that's PHX's expectations then they can continue to fuck themselves

Edit: saw multiple comments (maybe from the same person) in regard to this proposal, "the picks are good, the players are not". The secret might be out on Vassell.

If Booker is staying, they have no use for Vassell, there would have to be a third team involved.
And as we talked about the other day, I don't see many teams that would be interested in Vassell.

[Seventyniner]

In the past the Spurs could have been a facilitator in a KD trade to pick up assets, but with the Fox deal the Spurs have pivoted into win now mode.

[exstatic]

In the past the Spurs could have been a facilitator in a KD trade to pick up assets, but with the Fox deal the Spurs have pivoted into win now mode.

We still could. We have draft assets and 2026 ending contracts (HB,Branham,Wesley), and those are the new cap room.

[Seventyniner]

We still could. We have draft assets and 2026 ending contracts (HB,Branham,Wesley), and those are the new cap room.

That's not quite what I meant. If the Spurs were still in tank mode they could take on longer bad contracts in exchange for shorter ones like the ones you mentioned and pick up draft capital by being the third team in a 3-team deal where KD goes somewhere else. But being in win-now mode means if the Spurs are involved in a KD deal it's with the purpose of the Spurs getting KD themselves.

[exstatic]

That's not quite what I meant. If the Spurs were still in tank mode they could take on longer bad contracts in exchange for shorter ones like the ones you mentioned and pick up draft capital by being the third team in a 3-team deal where KD goes somewhere else. But being in win-now mode means if the Spurs are involved in a KD deal it's with the purpose of the Spurs getting KD themselves.

I don’t think that has to be true at all. You don’t want junk players, but one or both other teams may want shorter contracts ( we have like $25M in 2026 ending contracts), so there’s a chance to get a decent player on a 2 or 3 year deal.

[BatManu20]

Nick Wrong back at it again.

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[djohn2oo8]

I still want Book man fuck Phoenix

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[Ice009]

Devin's a much better player than I thought he'd become. I think he has a place on a Championship team which I didn't think I'd ever say 3 or 4 years ago.

[thOOdee]

Anybody agree that if spurs get the 8th pick in the draft, you give that (and possibly kj devine package) up for kevin durant, and follow up with a drafting the best available center/pf with the 15th pick?

[exstatic]

Anybody agree that if spurs get the 8th pick in the draft, you give that (and possibly kj devine package) up for kevin durant, and follow up with a drafting the best available center/pf with the 15th pick?

That pick could be with you for. 10-12 years, or you could have KD for 2-3. Nope.

[baseline bum]

Anybody agree that if spurs get the 8th pick in the draft, you give that (and possibly kj devine package) up for kevin durant, and follow up with a drafting the best available center/pf with the 15th pick?

Nope, I'll give the Atlanta pick and matching salary (Evin & Kelon) and that's it because Durant is going to be expensive as hell and the Spurs are going to need some cost controlled talent at that lottery pick.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I’d trade pick 8 for Durant in a heartbeat.

[exstatic]

I’d trade pick 8 for Durant in a heartbeat.

Why? He’s going to be a 2-3 year rental, at best.

We’re going to win titles with Wemby. By being impatient, you’re almost ensuring that the window will be short because of all the assets expended. A lottery pick could be here for 10-12 years along side Wemby.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Why? He’s going to be a 2-3 year rental, at best.

We’re going to win titles with Wemby. By being impatient, you’re almost ensuring that the window will be short because of all the assets expended. A lottery pick could be here for 10-12 years along side Wemby.

Don’t care about 8-10 years of another Sochan/Keldon/Vassell, I’d much rather have 2 or 3 years of Durant and it’s not a particularly difficult choice tbh. Wemby is going to have multiple windows hopefully, with multiple different cores around him. I wouldn’t expect a Tim-Tony-Manu run especially with the new CBA, so 2-3 years windows is what would be expected.

Durant would make the Spurs much better and would help a lot of pieces to fall into place in the roster. Who knows, they might even have a shot at it in a couple of years if he doesn’t decline too much. They only have 2 more cheap years of Wemby and one cheap-ish of Fox, they can afford Durant right now. The problem is to get Phoenix to accept it but pick 8+ Vassell+Keldon or Barnes would be similar value to what Butler went for. Obviously they'll probably need to include a 3rd team as Vassell is unlikely to have value for Phoenix with Booker and Beal there.

[scott]

Nick Wrong back at it again.

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A really awkwardly worded take by Wright, but I think I see what he's saying...

Of the teams who will be competing for a title over the next 10 years (which the Spurs are), the Spurs are the least likely to compete for a title next year, even if they bring in KD, so why potentially ruin your flexibility to do it.

And honestly, I think he's generally correct. If you can essentially get KD for free and it doesn't tie you up for a few years, then it's a different story, but if it costs you your flexibility - then it's not really worth it. I think I agree with that.

[Jordan Jackson]

This only works if KD forces his way to the Spurs like Fox did. Need KD to undercut the Suns a little so they can hang on to assets.

Would I be shocked if the Spurs pursued KD, no. This is the same franchise that signed a 36 y/o Gasol.

Spurs always get their guy eventually, even if he’s got one foot in the grave.

[djohn2oo8]

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[thOOdee]

That pick could be with you for. 10-12 years, or you could have KD for 2-3. Nope.


think I have to agree with BG. I would say it's more of a 2-3 year almost gaurantee quality lengthy sf which spurs are in need of vs. 10-12 years of players currently available on the board. And if it's a kon knueppel or mcneely type player, I just don't see us hitting another homerun like Castle. Those players are almost a dime a dozen. I rather go with the rental, regardless if durant has lost a step. He'd still be a top 50 player i'd believe.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Why? He’s going to be a 2-3 year rental, at best.

We’re going to win titles with Wemby. By being impatient, you’re almost ensuring that the window will be short because of all the assets expended. A lottery pick could be here for 10-12 years along side Wemby.

THis.

[LeBowen]

On the other hand, you never know what the future holds and Wemby could be gone in an instant, for one reason or another.
If KD is cheap, you go for it. The West is wide open, even though there are a lot of strong teams, none are unbeatable and everyone has their flaws.

I'm personally not a fan of KD, but I'd do Devin+Keldon+1 non-lottery FRP+a bunch of SRPs.
Suns don't have any leverage and KD can choose where he wants to go.

Noone is offering them a young player with all-star upside for 37 year old KD.
Suns need picks, both FRPs and SRPs. No contending team has many of those other than OKC, but I doubt KD wants to go there. He rejected the Warriors, I don't think he'd go back to Oklahoma.

[exstatic]

On the other hand, you never know what the future holds and Wemby could be gone in an instant, for one reason or another.
If KD is cheap, you go for it. The West is wide open, even though there are a lot of strong teams, none are unbeatable and everyone has their flaws.

I'm personally not a fan of KD, but I'd do Devin+Keldon+1 non-lottery FRP+a bunch of SRPs.
Suns don't have any leverage and KD can choose where he wants to go.

Noone is offering them a young player with all-star upside for 37 year old KD.
Suns need picks, both FRPs and SRPs. No contending team has many of those other than OKC, but I doubt KD wants to go there. He rejected the Warriors, I don't think he'd go back to Oklahoma.

He didn’t want GS because of Draymond.

[Ice009]

Nick Wrong back at it again.

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I don't know if it's the wording, but I understand he's say the Spurs are least likely to compete for a Championship next year, but is he also saying over the next 10 years too? If so, how the f$#% would he know anything about that.

[exstatic]

I don't know if it's the wording, but I understand he's say the Spurs are least likely to compete for a Championship next year, but is he also saying over the next 10 years too? If so, how the f$#% would he know anything about that.

I think what was said was that there was a group of teams that would compete for championships over the next ten years, the Spurs are one of them, but SA is the least likely of the teams to win next year.

[Raven]

Anybody agree that if spurs get the 8th pick in the draft, you give that (and possibly kj devine package) up for kevin durant, and follow up with a drafting the best available center/pf with the 15th pick?

i wouldn't even take him in free agency.. guy is done.

[BatManu20]

Don't think KD is going to be a Spur next season tbh, though I'd love to be wrong. HOU and DEN just make more sense for a 37 year-old who's trying to win now. I think he eventually winds up on one of those teams. Time will tell.

[spurraider21]

Don't think KD is going to be a Spur next season tbh, though I'd love to be wrong. HOU and DEN just make more sense for a 37 year-old who's trying to win now. I think he eventually winds up on one of those teams. Time will tell.
i dont think so either. if durant was part of the banana boat crew, i could see CP3 recruiting him and then paul signs on for another year as a backup. but otherwise nah, i dont think he'd go out of his way to push for the spurs in the last years of his all-nba level play

like some of the others here, i wouldnt give more than vassell + keldon + 1 FRP + handful of SRPs. i agree with the poorly worded nick wright take... that of the spurs next 10 seasons, next season is probably the one they have the lowest chance of ringing. so if we have to give up multiple picks and trade assets to push all in for ~2-3 years, its probably not great.

but yeah its fun to think about. a lineup of Fox/Castle/Barnes/Durant/Wemby with Paul/Champagnie/Sochan as the main bench guys, plus whoever we pick in the first round... could be fun. spurs would also still have the full MLE to sign a key bench player or two

[baseline bum]

On the other hand, you never know what the future holds and Wemby could be gone in an instant, for one reason or another.


Yeah it's amazing how fast title windows can close in the NBA. One of the greatest teams in league history, the Moses Malone / Julius Erving / Andrew Toney / Bobby Jones / Mo Cheeks Sixers, were up and gone as contenders in a flash. Won the 83 title in dominant fashion and then got busted by crackhead Michael Ray Richardson in the first the next year and were never a serious contender again. We were spoiled as fuck by getting 19 years of contention with Timmy and it's so ridiculous to think that could ever be recreated again. All I want is one more, maybe two if I wanna get greedy.

[baseline bum]

i dont think so either. if durant was part of the banana boat crew, i could see CP3 recruiting him and then paul signs on for another year as a backup. but otherwise nah, i dont think he'd go out of his way to push for the spurs in the last years of his all-nba level play

like some of the others here, i wouldnt give more than vassell + keldon + 1 FRP + handful of SRPs. i agree with the poorly worded nick wright take... that of the spurs next 10 seasons, next season is probably the one they have the lowest chance of ringing. so if we have to give up multiple picks and trade assets to push all in for ~2-3 years, its probably not great.

but yeah its fun to think about. a lineup of Fox/Castle/Barnes/Durant/Wemby with Paul/Champagnie/Sochan as the main bench guys, plus whoever we pick in the first round... could be fun. spurs would also still have the full MLE to sign a key bench player or two

I think the Spurs will need to dip into the MLE to bring CP3 back since they don't have Bird Rights.

[Ice009]

I think what was said was that there was a group of teams that would compete for championships over the next ten years, the Spurs are one of them, but SA is the least likely of the teams to win next year.

Okay, that makes more sense. I couldn't understand what he meant.


i dont think so either. if durant was part of the banana boat crew, i could see CP3 recruiting him and then paul signs on for another year as a backup. but otherwise nah, i dont think he'd go out of his way to push for the spurs in the last years of his all-nba level play

like some of the others here, i wouldnt give more than vassell + keldon + 1 FRP + handful of SRPs. i agree with the poorly worded nick wright take... that of the spurs next 10 seasons, next season is probably the one they have the lowest chance of ringing. so if we have to give up multiple picks and trade assets to push all in for ~2-3 years, its probably not great.

but yeah its fun to think about. a lineup of Fox/Castle/Barnes/Durant/Wemby with Paul/Champagnie/Sochan as the main bench guys, plus whoever we pick in the first round... could be fun. spurs would also still have the full MLE to sign a key bench player or two

Doesn't Durant not like Chris Paul at all? IMO, the only scenario where I can see him coming to San Antonio is if the Spurs win the lottery, I think he'll be interested in that case.

[Ignazzz]

Why? He’s going to be a 2-3 year rental, at best.

We’re going to win titles with Wemby. By being impatient, you’re almost ensuring that the window will be short because of all the assets expended. A lottery pick could be here for 10-12 years along side Wemby.

Joshua Primo 8 yras left ;-)

[exstatic]

Joshua Primo 8 yras left ;-)

Wemby,being on an island late in his career, like Jokic.

[CGD]

I pray some other team trades for Durant. He brings way too much baggage.

[quentin_compson]

It's really wild that the Suns have only two more wins than the Spurs. What a colossal failure their season is ... And it's not like they were crazily unlucky injury-wise, either.

[Ice009]

It's really wild that the Suns have only two more wins than the Spurs. What a colossal failure their season is ... And it's not like they were crazily unlucky injury-wise, either.

Yeah, I'm quite shocked how bad they've been. I expected them to be in the top 6. This is the kind of season I expected the Lakers and Lebron to have, but that darn Luka trade turned it all around for them.

Has Durant played at all the past week or so or is he still out injured? If so, looks like he's already played his last game for the Suns.

[djohn2oo8]

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He might be a Rocket

[mo7888]

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He might be a Rocket

How do they do that without taking back similar salary though? Does anybody have that kind of cap space to do an unbalanced trade?

[LeBowen]

How do they do that without taking back similar salary though? Does anybody have that kind of cap space to do an unbalanced trade?

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_maximum_space

Nets, Pistons, Bulls could absorb a part of his contract while sending significantly less salary the other way.
But I doubt KD has interest in going to any of those teams.

[mo7888]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_maximum_space

Nets, Pistons, Bulls could absorb a part of his contract while sending significantly less salary the other way.
But I doubt KD has interest in going to any of those teams.

Agreed. He won't go those teams. Maybe one can be involved in a 3 team deal and get an asset? That's the only way I can see Phoenix doing this and saving some money.

[Guru of Nothing]

The grumpy old man tour angle of Durant and Paul is something that had not occurred to me until just now. According to my cipherin, that would give us both the oldest roster in the nba, and the youngest.

[spurraider21]

How do they do that without taking back similar salary though? Does anybody have that kind of cap space to do an unbalanced trade?
a) find teams that have cap space to absorb some of the salary
b) heck, they could combine and trade both durant and booker to houston, conceicably. those 2 guys have a combined 100mil in payroll next year. rockets could pick up FVV's option, combine him with Jalen Gree (whose extension will kick in), and those 2 alone are already at nearly 80mil. so they'd need a team with 20 mil in cap space to absorb the balance. of course, houston could also add additional players like jabari smith, reed sheppard, and match altogether if they really wanted to

[LeBowen]

Agreed. He won't go those teams. Maybe one can be involved in a 3 team deal and get an asset? That's the only way I can see Phoenix doing this and saving some money.

Anything is possible in this league.
I guess Suns would be fine with going below second apron.

[The Truth #6]

Durant is never happy, even when winning titles. He's been fairly cancerous for about, what, 5-6 years now in a row, with high expectations met with horrible results year after year...but, uh, yeah, sign me up!!

[baseline bum]

EDIT: fck n/m, misread Houston's cap numbers

[baseline bum]

How do they do that without taking back similar salary though? Does anybody have that kind of cap space to do an unbalanced trade?

Rockets could pick up the option on VanVleet, send him out, and sign and trade the pick they get from Phoenix (prob #13/#14). Phoenix only needs to dump about $3 million to get under the second apron for 25-26 and that trade would drop their payroll almost $6 million. Similar for trading Evin + Kelon + signing and trading the ATL pick (assuming #12-16). Would slash about $5 million or so from Phoenix's payroll to let them slide just under the second apron by a couple million.

I think these are the kind of offers Phoenix is going to have to choose from. ROFL three picks and a young player, fucking delusional. :lmao

[CGD]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_maximum_space

Nets, Pistons, Bulls could absorb a part of his contract while sending significantly less salary the other way.
But I doubt KD has interest in going to any of those teams.

That or Houston sends salary to the third team, which seems more likely.

[baseline bum]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_maximum_space

Nets, Pistons, Bulls could absorb a part of his contract while sending significantly less salary the other way.
But I doubt KD has interest in going to any of those teams.

Phoenix only needs to trim $3 million off their payroll to get under the second apron. They shouldn't have any trouble doing that in a Durant trade.

[scott]

In a two-team deal, if the other team doesn't have cap space, then they can take back 125% of what they send out. So if Durant is scheduled to make $54.7 next season, then the minimum they'd be able to take back in a two-team trade with a team without cap space would be $43.8, which would almost be enough to push PHX under the second apron (Spotrac has them at $11.4MM over the 2nd apron). But I think they can get the rest of the way there by renouncing some of their cap holds. At that point they can aggregate outgoing salaries in trades to try and fill out their roster.

[scott]

And for those wondering... Devin + Keldon = $44.5 next year, so those two (plus picks) for Durant would be legal.

[Obstructed_View]

:vomit:

[bigfan]

Time to take off the training wheels, no more old guys.

[Guru of Nothing]

What a night it would have been to be behind enemy lines!

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[John B]

What a night it would have been to be behind enemy lines!

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The only way to keep the fans staying. Gone were the rivalries during Colangelo’s years, and how they almost draft the best point guards. But they made a big swing with Booker/KD/Beal just missed big. They should move Booker too, get as much picks from all 3 and do a total rebuilt.

[Chillen]

What a night it would have been to be behind enemy lines!

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They finally found a way to trade Beal.

[spurraider21]

I think fans would have chucked their bobbleheads at the court

[djohn2oo8]

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Windhorst said the other day that Suns fans will be disappointed with the return

[tonight...you]

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Windhorst said the other day that Suns fans will be disappointed with the return
Yeah. Rent-A-Center Jason Statham ain't salvaging what Phoenix gave up for him.

[djohn2oo8]

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:lmao holy shit bro. That 2027 pick is fucking gold baseline bum

[baseline bum]

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:lmao holy shit bro. That 2027 pick is fucking gold baseline bum

2029 too

[kht]

He'd lose face going back to the Warriors... On paper young talent wise, I think it's a toss up between us and the Rockets. But they are the second seed this year, we aren't. Can't argue that.

[Dex]

He'd lose face going back to the Warriors... On paper young talent wise, I think it's a toss up between us and the Rockets. But they are the second seed this year, we aren't. Can't argue that.

He's also gonna be chasing that last big check, and he isn't worth the money. Dude is gonna be 37 at the start of next season.

If this was NBA2K, I'd love to see Wemby paired with KD, but there are better ways to spend that money

[Dex]

He'd lose face going back to the Warriors... On paper young talent wise, I think it's a toss up between us and the Rockets. But they are the second seed this year, we aren't. Can't argue that.

He's also gonna be chasing that last big check, and he isn't worth the money. Dude is gonna be 37 at the start of next season.

If this was NBA2K, I'd love to see Wemby paired with KD, but Phoenix is a prime example of how his name doesn't guarantee wins. He was healthy most of this season (along with Booker) and the Suns still only won 2 more games than the Spurs.

[Ice009]

2029 too

How many picks of Phoenix's do the Rockets have? 3?
The Suns really have to try and trade Durant there and try and get at least one of them back plus a couple of young players. I don't see them getting a better return than that.

[scott]

He's also gonna be chasing that last big check, and he isn't worth the money. Dude is gonna be 37 at the start of next season.

If this was NBA2K, I'd love to see Wemby paired with KD, but there are better ways to spend that money

On the latest Lowe podcast where he had Simmons as a guest, they seem to think that KD would be willing to extend for cheap if he goes to the right team. The thought being that KD will understand the ramifications of the apron era and that no one is trading for him if it's going to mean 3 years and $150MM.

We'll see how it plays out.

[baseline bum]

How many picks of Phoenix's do the Rockets have? 3?
The Suns really have to try and trade Durant there and try and get at least one of them back plus a couple of young players. I don't see them getting a better return than that.

Rockets have an unprotected swap on the Suns pick in 2025 as well as 2029 and own the Suns pick unprotected in 2027.

[baseline bum]

On the latest Lowe podcast where he had Simmons as a guest, they seem to think that KD would be willing to extend for cheap if he goes to the right team. The thought being that KD will understand the ramifications of the apron era and that no one is trading for him if it's going to mean 3 years and $150MM.

We'll see how it plays out.

If KD is willing to take a 2 years, $60 million extension I'm probably trying to trade for him this summer.

[scott]

If KD is willing to take a 2 years, $60 million extension I'm probably trying to trade for him this summer.

I don't have any opinions either way at this point... but I think Lowe and Simmons were suggesting even lower than that. They seem really bearish on the market for KD in the apron era.

[baseline bum]

I don't have any opinions either way at this point... but I think Lowe and Simmons were suggesting even lower than that. They seem really bearish on the market for KD in the apron era.

I don't see it, he's still likely an All NBA player so I don't see him signing for Keldon level money. I very much agree the market will be very bearish for KD though at age 37 which is why I keep suggesting Vassell, Keldon, and either the ATL 2025 or the Spurs 2029 for him. I would absolutely jump at the opportunity to replace Evin & Kelon with a real player and even at 2 years, $60 million he's probably not much of a luxury tax concern for Wemby's first year of supermax now. Especially since they could just frontload the hell out of the extension. Though I really want to see another Spurs title before being sent to El Salvador.

[ambchang]

To say the suns are retarded is an insult to the mentally disabled community. $75 per for booker? Really, trade his ass for picks, get rid of Beal for cheap, and trade Durant for picks too. If I were them I’d trade both booker and Durant to the rockets for all the picks back plus salary matches.

[spurraider21]

imo it was obvious suns would go this route. theyre going to keep Booker and move every and anything else to build around him. he's their franchise guy.

should they trade book and blow it up... yeah probably. his value can only drop from here. what if he gets hurt. has a down year. then he's going to look too expensive for another team to trade for. but it never seemed realisitc that they would trade booker while he's still in his 20s. yes i know "you never know look at luka..." but that was arguably the most shocking trade in the history of pro sports

[mo7888]

I wish we had some future Phoenix picks..

[exstatic]

imo it was obvious suns would go this route. theyre going to keep Booker and move every and anything else to build around him. he's their franchise guy.

should they trade book and blow it up... yeah probably. his value can only drop from here. what if he gets hurt. has a down year. then he's going to look too expensive for another team to trade for. but it never seemed realisitc that they would trade booker while he's still in his 20s. yes i know "you never know look at luka..." but that was arguably the most shocking trade in the history of pro sports

In his game 82 media availability, Book basically came out and directly said he wasn’t going through another rebuild. That’s a non-starter, I think.

[poopbox]

As it currently stands with the cap situation it would be impossible for the Spurs to trade for KD without a 3rd team getting involved due to the suns being in cap hell and not being able to trade multiple players for one player.

[exstatic]

As it currently stands with the cap situation it would be impossible for the Spurs to trade for KD without a 3rd team getting involved due to the suns being in cap hell and not being able to trade multiple players for one player.

They wouldn’t be doing that, they’d be trading one player (KD) for multiple players.

[djohn2oo8]

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Phoenix actually called the Rockets at the deadline to propose a KD trade

[BatManu20]

Yea I said a few pages back that I think KD ends up a Rocket this offseason. Just makes too much sense for both parties tbh. And he would help their scoring woes.

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[spurraider21]

yeah i have about 85% confidence that Houston will land KD. makes sense on all fronts. he goes to a team capable of competing. its a team that needs to consolidate some and needs a go-to alpha scorer. and they own the Suns picks

[mo7888]

yeah i have about 85% confidence that Houston will land KD. makes sense on all fronts. he goes to a team capable of competing. its a team that needs to consolidate some and needs a go-to alpha scorer. and they own the Suns picks

It makes sense, but the big question is 'how much do they have to give up to get him'?

[baseline bum]

It makes sense, but the big question is 'how much do they have to give up to get him'?

I'm guessing it'll be one of the following two packages:

PACKAGE 1: VanVleet + cancel 2025 swap + return 2027 PHX first + cancel 2029 swap

PACKAGE 2: Green + Landale + Aaron Holiday + cancel 2025 swap + return 2027 PHX first + cancel 2029 swap

Can't really do anything centered around Green + Brooks since Phoenix needs to cut $3 million or more from payroll in this trade to get under the second apron.

[baseline bum]

Personally I find both of those too much to give up for KD when the Suns are bent over a barrel here

[dn0774]

What would the framework of a trade look like if both Booker and KD were sent to the Rockets? Do the Rockets even have enough tradeable salary to send out?

[baseline bum]

What would the framework of a trade look like if both Booker and KD were sent to the Rockets? Do the Rockets even have enough tradeable salary to send out?

Would have to be two separate trades since Phoenix can't aggregate salaries. So VanVleet plus the picks/swaps for Booker then Jalen Green, Tari Eason, and Reed Sheppard for Durant maybe?

[djohn2oo8]

Personally I find both of those too much to give up for KD when the Suns are bent over a barrel here
It’s close. I think they might get one pick or swap back but that’s it. The return isn’t going to be much.

[djohn2oo8]

Would have to be two separate trades since Phoenix can't aggregate salaries. So VanVleet plus the picks/swaps for Booker then Jalen Green, Tari Eason, and Reed Sheppard for Durant maybe?
Yep that’s it

[tbdog]

I don't foresee Durant getting much in trade value. He is just too old to throw the sink at. I'm talking like one youth starter material and two protected picks type stuff

[mo7888]

Personally I find both of those too much to give up for KD when the Suns are bent over a barrel here

Agreed. I wouldn't give up that much either for an aging KD. I kinda hope they do though..

[Ice009]

It’s close. I think they might get one pick or swap back but that’s it. The return isn’t going to be much.

I was about to post this very thing. There is NO WAY they're getting back all three picks for Durant. If it was for Devin Booker, yes, but not for KD. They'll be lucky if they get more than one of those picks back (likely just the outright and maybe one of the swaps if they're lucky). It's likely that Houston instead will trade them a veteran or two and a promising young player such as Green.

[Chillen]

Both Booker and Durant wanted Beal and it looks like that trade will be the catalyst in breaking this duo up. No one wants Beal so they have to explore trades for KD because they are in salary cap hell. Ishbia has good intentions but whoever advised him the Beal trade was a good idea should be fired asap.

[BatManu20]

1921911932077887870

[exstatic]

1921911932077887870

Good. He’s never proven to do anything as “the man”, and the trade will likely thin their roster and rotation.

[djohn2oo8]

Good. He’s never proven to do anything as “the man”, and the trade will likely thin their roster and rotation.
Any such trade for Durant will not be substantial in players sent or picks

[exstatic]

Any such trade for Durant will not be substantial in players sent or picks

Suns are a second apron team, so it may not be as easy as you think. I tried FVV and Jabari,and it rejected it. Second apron teams can’t accept even $1 over what they send out. They also cannot aggregate players, making it more complicated.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Suns are a second apron team, so it may not be as easy as you think. I tried FVV and Jabari,and it rejected it. Second apron teams can’t accept even $1 over what they send out. They also cannot aggregate players, making it more complicated.

Suns aren't a second apron team as of July 1st. If there's a trade to be made that's beneficial the technicalities won't be a problem. Something like Van Vleet, Tari Eason and picks for Durant works but there are a ton of other possibilities.

[baseline bum]

Suns are a second apron team, so it may not be as easy as you think. I tried FVV and Jabari,and it rejected it. Second apron teams can’t accept even $1 over what they send out. They also cannot aggregate players, making it more complicated.

Suns also really need to cut at least $3 million of salary in a Durant trade to slide just under the second apron for 25-26.

[baseline bum]

Suns aren't a second apron team as of July 1st. If there's a trade to be made that's beneficial the technicalities won't be a problem. Something like Van Vleet, Tari Eason and picks for Durant works but there are a ton of other possibilities.

Nah they'll be over the second apron by almost $3 million on July 1st.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Nah they'll be over the second apron by almost $3 million on July 1st.

How?

They have 7 players under contract - Durant, Booker, Beal, Allen, O'Neale, Dunn, Ighodaro for around $193 mil total. Cody Martin and Nick Richards are fully unguaranteed and Micic is a team option.

Then add the cap hold for their late first and roster charges and they'll be below the projected 2nd apron of $208 mil.

[baseline bum]

How?

They have 7 players under contract - Durant, Booker, Beal, Allen, O'Neale, Dunn, Ighodaro for around $193 mil total. Cody Martin and Nick Richards are fully unguaranteed and Micic is a team option.

Then add the cap hold for their late first and roster charges and they'll be below the projected 2nd apron of $208 mil.

Nice, didn't know Richards and Martin were unguaranteed. That would put them around $11M under the tax then.

[mo7888]

Nice, didn't know Richards and Martin were unguaranteed. That would put them around $11M under the tax then.

Do they have to renounce the unguaranteed contracts to be considered under? Do bird rights come into play here?

[baseline bum]

Do they have to renounce the unguaranteed contracts to be considered under? Do bird rights come into play here?

I'd imagine so.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Do they have to renounce the unguaranteed contracts to be considered under? Do bird rights come into play here?

Richards's contract is fully guaranteed on 6/29/25 and Martin's on 6/30/25, so they'd have to waive them before that.

Of course there are other ways - they can guarantee their contracts and trade them, or they could guarantee them and keep them if they think they can work the 2nd apron by doing another trade, say Allen or O'Neale. They're in a bad place but they have some options.

[thOOdee]

https://x.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1927407362882621523

[rjv]

i'm not even going to speculate. experience tells me that the spurs will stay true to what they are stating publicly and won't do anything crazy but i guess i have to remain open to the idea that crazy things can happen, even with SA. so, i'm just going to see how things play out, starting with the draft.

[tbdog]

i'm not even going to speculate. experience tells me that the spurs will stay true to what they are stating publicly and won't do anything crazy but i guess i have to remain open to the idea that crazy things can happen, even with SA. so, i'm just going to see how things play out, starting with the draft.

Experience does. But this is the season to do it. If the spurs do keep the ship sailing at the same speed, I hope it's because they were out bid by rival teams.

[exstatic]

Experience does. But this is the season to do it. If the spurs do keep the ship sailing at the same speed, I hope it's because they were out bid by rival teams.

The ship’s going to speed up no matter what. We’ve already made a big splash with Fox, we just did it early.

[Joseph Kony]

Durant would be a decent stop gap for a couple years while we work to find some real 3/D forwards. I wouldn't pay more than Vassell/Keldon/#14 for him though

[scottspurs]

I’m opening up to a Durant Trade because trading Vassell and Keldon for Durant opens up alot of cap space for 2026 free agency which looks like if could be loaded with talent. Between Harrison Barnes and Kevin Durant coming off the books that would be almost $70 million in expiring contracts. I would throw in pick 14 if he Suns can find a way to also route us Ryan Dunn or a couple of 2nd round picks down the line.

You can make the postseason this year but also have flexibility moving forward.

Fox, Harper, Wesley
Castle, vet shooter, branham
Sochan, Champangie, pick 38/vet
Durant, Barnes, Mamu
Wemby, pick 38/vet, vet

the other option that I would like better is John Collins from the Jazz because he would also be an expiring but I don’t trust Danny Ainge to not ask for to much so Fck the Jazz.

[thOOdee]

I wouldn't think about giving more than a 1st rounder (plus devin/kj fillers), but think the question becomes can longterm value come from that 14th pick. Is 2-3 years of injury prone Durant better than the risk of taking a Queen, Sorbert, Carter, Fleming, maxime or essengue type player. I'm honestly stumped on this one. both feel like wrong decisions.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

I’m opening up to a Durant Trade because trading Vassell and Keldon for Durant opens up alot of cap space for 2026 free agency which looks like if could be loaded with talent. Between Harrison Barnes and Kevin Durant coming off the books that would be almost $70 million in expiring contracts. I would throw in pick 14 if he Suns can find a way to also route us Ryan Dunn or a couple of 2nd round picks down the line.

You can make the postseason this year but also have flexibility moving forward.

Fox, Harper, Wesley
Castle, vet shooter, branham
Sochan, Champangie, pick 38/vet
Durant, Barnes, Mamu
Wemby, pick 38/vet, vet

the other option that I would like better is John Collins from the Jazz because he would also be an expiring but I don’t trust Danny Ainge to not ask for to much so Fck the Jazz.

This sounds fair.

We can just ask John Collins to opt it and wait to be signed by Spurs next summer.

[Mnky]

I wouldn't think about giving more than a 1st rounder (plus devin/kj fillers), but think the question becomes can longterm value come from that 14th pick. Is 2-3 years of injury prone Durant better than the risk of taking a Queen, Sorbert, Carter, Fleming, maxime or essengue type player. I'm honestly stumped on this one. both feel like wrong decisions.

Barring a miracle type escalation, noone at 14 will make the spurs contenders now or later. They will be a solid role player but not the 1 2 or 3 option on a spurs squad. With that in mind, Durant can bring a ring to the Spurs. He will still be capable of being a top 10 player the next couple years. His game does not rely on athleticism but he's still an athlete and can play great defense when he's had to with a real contender.

Losing the fun of the 14th pick possibilities is definitely bitter but at the end of the day, if that and off loading bad contracts is all it takes for a shot at a ring, I think it becomes a little easier to make.

[Chillen]

I have always liked getting Durant more than Giannis. He fits in perfectly with this team. It's good that there was mutual interest at the trade deadline. Spurs need to make a move because who knows how long Wemby's prime will be.

[Chillen]

Durant would be a decent stop gap for a couple years while we work to find some real 3/D forwards. I wouldn't pay more than Vassell/Keldon/#14 for him though

Suns are going to want three 1sts for KD. So #14 for this draft and two other future 1st rounders.

[exstatic]

Suns are going to want three 1sts for KD. So #14 for this draft and two other future 1st rounders.

No one is paying that for a 37 YO with one year left. They can’t hold onto him hoping to up the offers. Everyone knows they need to trade him before the season. Bringing him into camp would be a disaster,

[Chinook]

Durant will be able to control his market. Like he straight up told Memphis no last year. There will be teams that want to take a chance who don't because Durant isn't interested. Among the remaining teams, few are going to be able to offer mostly clean money and a mid-first. I'm not sure what the deal would be, but I do think the Spurs could close if they remain interested.

[thOOdee]

Barring a miracle type escalation, noone at 14 will make the spurs contenders now or later. They will be a solid role player but not the 1 2 or 3 option on a spurs squad. With that in mind, Durant can bring a ring to the Spurs. He will still be capable of being a top 10 player the next couple years. His game does not rely on athleticism but he's still an athlete and can play great defense when he's had to with a real contender.

Losing the fun of the 14th pick possibilities is definitely bitter but at the end of the day, if that and off loading bad contracts is all it takes for a shot at a ring, I think it becomes a little easier to make.


i think this is the way. However, at some point, having a solid enough role player for an extended period of time will outweigh even a top 10-20 player.

So anything more than ONE first i would have to disagree because 1. a couple of b rated players kept for 5 years is worth more, and b. Odds are we hit a diamond in the rough.

[baseline bum]

Suns are going to want three 1sts for KD. So #14 for this draft and two other future 1st rounders.

I wanna fuck Angie Dickinson, let's see who gets lucky first.

[Seventyniner]

Durant will be able to control his market. Like he straight up told Memphis no last year. There will be teams that want to take a chance who don't because Durant isn't interested. Among the remaining teams, few are going to be able to offer mostly clean money and a mid-first. I'm not sure what the deal would be, but I do think the Spurs could close if they remain interested.

This sounds about right. Wright is smart enough to not overpay, and if KD narrows his list down enough then his asking price could go low enough to get Wright to bite.

[DPG21920]

Agree with Chinook. It will all come down to KD. IF like Fox he says “I only want SA” theres a clear path to getting it done.

[Joseph Kony]

I’m opening up to a Durant Trade because trading Vassell and Keldon for Durant opens up alot of cap space for 2026 free agency which looks like if could be loaded with talent. Between Harrison Barnes and Kevin Durant coming off the books that would be almost $70 million in expiring contracts. I would throw in pick 14 if he Suns can find a way to also route us Ryan Dunn or a couple of 2nd round picks down the line.

You can make the postseason this year but also have flexibility moving forward.

Fox, Harper, Wesley
Castle, vet shooter, branham
Sochan, Champangie, pick 38/vet
Durant, Barnes, Mamu
Wemby, pick 38/vet, vet

the other option that I would like better is John Collins from the Jazz because he would also be an expiring but I don’t trust Danny Ainge to not ask for to much so Fck the Jazz.

solid. use the BAE and MLE on a couple guys like Capela and Kennard and you definitely have a team with WCF potential next season

[scott]

Durant will be able to control his market. Like he straight up told Memphis no last year. There will be teams that want to take a chance who don't because Durant isn't interested. Among the remaining teams, few are going to be able to offer mostly clean money and a mid-first. I'm not sure what the deal would be, but I do think the Spurs could close if they remain interested.

Chinook been on the KD to SA train since last offseason... this has got to be exciting for you :)

[scott]

I wanna fuck Angie Dickinson, let's see who gets lucky first.

This isn't the first time you've said this... and now I've got to wonder if this is a long standing obsession... or one you've recently developed once she hit her 90s.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x2zsdYw8M9I/hq720.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEhCK4FEIIDSFryq4qpAxMIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJ D&rs=AOn4CLCmzaQkOrZ_g961WL7UWbRMwg9-dw

[spurraider21]

This isn't the first time you've said this... and now I've got to wonder if this is a long standing obsession... or one you've recently developed once she hit her 90s.
sharp as a fucking cue ball, this one

[scott]

sharp as a fucking cue ball, this one

I'm starting to sense this must be a quote of some sort... but I'm not Goolging that from my office PC :lol

[baseline bum]

This isn't the first time you've said this... and now I've got to wonder if this is a long standing obsession... or one you've recently developed once she hit her 90s.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x2zsdYw8M9I/hq720.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEhCK4FEIIDSFryq4qpAxMIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJ D&rs=AOn4CLCmzaQkOrZ_g961WL7UWbRMwg9-dw

yes

[baseline bum]

I'm starting to sense this must be a quote of some sort... but I'm not Goolging that from my office PC :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75wmh-NZg5M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp-cJBkrZck

https://i.ibb.co/Tx4764TH/jr-angie.jpg

[scott]

Right on. I never really watched the Sopranos. That's a hilarious way to tie it all together.

[scottspurs]

Suns will be lucky to get more than one 1st for Durant. He is an expiring contract and will be 37 next year. Let them pay the luxury tax and have pissed off Durant on the team next year if they want more than that. Also Durant can force his way anywhere. Suns have no leverage

[baseline bum]

Right on. I never really watched the Sopranos. That's a hilarious way to tie it all together.

You know, Quasimodo predicted all this

[baseline bum]

Right on. I never really watched the Sopranos.

Also what the fuck? Sandwiched right there in between Breaking Bad and The Wire for greatest story ever told on TV. Plus Meadow and Adriana are good fap material. Charmaine Bucco too.

[scott]

Also what the fuck? Sandwiched right there in between Breaking Bad and The Wire for greatest story ever told on TV. Plus Meadow and Adriana are good fap material. Charmaine Bucco too.

I also never watched the Wire. These were my first years after college... I was out doing early 20s shit and not paying for fucking HBO

[baseline bum]

I also never watched the Wire. These were my first years after college... I was out doing early 20s shit and not paying for fucking HBO

What the fuck are you doing here? Go download The Wire and start that shit ASAP. The Wire is the greatest piece of visual media ever made no joke. One of the actors was so convincing playing a heroin addict that he had a couple of addicts offer give him a free hit because he looked so fucked up. :lol

Also was the birth of a lot of great actors like Idris Elba, Michael B Jordan, Dominic West, Michael K. Williams, Lance Reddick, Jamie Hector, etc as well as memorable performances from Method Man and Fredro Starr from Onyx.

The series is so amazing Harvard created a course on urban inequality based on the show

https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/why-were-teaching-wire-harvard

Tell me this scene ain't amazing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbAbFF6Xc04

[scott]

What the fuck are you doing here? Go download The Wire and start that shit ASAP. The Wire is the greatest piece of visual media ever made no joke. One of the actors was so convincing playing a heroin addict that he had a couple of addicts offer give him a free hit because he looked so fucked up. :lol

Also was the birth of a lot of great actors like Idris Elba, Michael B Jordan, Dominic West, Michael K. Williams, Lance Reddick, Jamie Hector, etc as well as memorable performances from Method Man and Fredro Starr from Onyx.

The series is so amazing Harvard created a course on urban inequality based on the show

https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/why-were-teaching-wire-harvard

I have HBO now - I assume it's on there?

I'll give it a watch only because I respect this meme

https://i.imgur.com/DeqrNLs.png
https://preview.redd.it/time-for-all-the-memes-yes-sir-we-are-v0-tpxx1n97ia0b1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&1c684527

[baseline bum]

I have HBO now - I assume it's on there?

I'll give it a watch only because I respect this meme

https://preview.redd.it/time-for-all-the-memes-yes-sir-we-are-v0-tpxx1n97ia0b1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&1c684527

Yeah it's on Max. You can't not watch this show, seriously.

[spurraider21]

Wire is goated and ages well

[thOOdee]

You know, Quasimodo predicted all this


plus he killed 16 Czechoslovakians. Guy was an interior decorator.

[Kurik]

What the fuck are you doing here? Go download The Wire and start that shit ASAP. The Wire is the greatest piece of visual media ever made no joke. One of the actors was so convincing playing a heroin addict that he had a couple of addicts offer give him a free hit because he looked so fucked up. :lol

Also was the birth of a lot of great actors like Idris Elba, Michael B Jordan, Dominic West, Michael K. Williams, Lance Reddick, Jamie Hector, etc as well as memorable performances from Method Man and Fredro Starr from Onyx.

The series is so amazing Harvard created a course on urban inequality based on the show

https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/why-were-teaching-wire-harvard

Tell me this scene ain't amazing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbAbFF6Xc04


shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, such a great show.

[RC_Drunkford]

I also never watched the Wire. These were my first years after college... I was out doing early 20s shit and not paying for fucking HBO

you're telling me you never watched the 2 greatest series in the history of television?

I'm starting to wonder if Brian Wright can play some 4D chess and somehow aquire a first to then flip it for KD without us giving up #14. Having one of these role players on a rookie deal for the next 4 years could be very valuable going forward.

[Mnky]

i think this is the way. However, at some point, having a solid enough role player for an extended period of time will outweigh even a top 10-20 player.

So anything more than ONE first i would have to disagree because 1. a couple of b rated players kept for 5 years is worth more, and b. Odds are we hit a diamond in the rough.

Role players will never be worth more than a ring. I think spurs fan are a little out of touch when it comes to that due to Tim Duncan gifting us 5 rings when a Third of the NBA still doesn't have a single one.

The odds are actually against anyone at 14 being a diamond in the rough. There's talent for sure, but they're at the middle of the 1st round for a reason. I like the prospects of the 14th pick more this year than I can remember in awhile. Still wouldn't think twice on getting Durant for the 14 and off loading bad contracts. That would without a doubt help Wemby the most on the court as well. What's best for Wemby, is best for the team. We aren't promised an entire career with the kid as we learned this year.

[thOOdee]

Role players will never be worth more than a ring. I think spurs fan are a little out of touch when it comes to that due to Tim Duncan gifting us 5 rings when a Third of the NBA still doesn't have a single one.

The odds are actually against anyone at 14 being a diamond in the rough. There's talent for sure, but they're at the middle of the 1st round for a reason. I like the prospects of the 14th pick more this year than I can remember in awhile. Still wouldn't think twice on getting Durant for the 14 and off loading bad contracts. That would without a doubt help Wemby the most on the court as well. What's best for Wemby, is best for the team. We aren't promised an entire career with the kid as we learned this year.

14 for durant I agree you have to pull the trigger. However, with castle, fox, and likely harper, there is a real chance of at minimum spurs having 2 solid allstars, all on the cheap.

Yes, Role players aren't worth more than a ring, however solid role players are a necessity to most championship teams. You can see this by just looking at how teams are being constructed now, including the top 4 teams right now fighting for a chip, and boston last year. Prioritizing a few top tier talent at the sacrifice of instead having a solid well rounded 6-7 man rotation I don't think is the way to go anymore.

[spurraider21]

What the fuck are you doing here? Go download The Wire and start that shit ASAP. The Wire is the greatest piece of visual media ever made no joke. One of the actors was so convincing playing a heroin addict that he had a couple of addicts offer give him a free hit because he looked so fucked up. :lol

Also was the birth of a lot of great actors like Idris Elba, Michael B Jordan, Dominic West, Michael K. Williams, Lance Reddick, Jamie Hector, etc as well as memorable performances from Method Man and Fredro Starr from Onyx.

The series is so amazing Harvard created a course on urban inequality based on the show

https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/why-were-teaching-wire-harvard

Tell me this scene ain't amazing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbAbFF6Xc04
WHERE'S WALLACE, STRING?

[Mugen]

Sadly, the Wire is more relevant now more than ever :lol

It's the Cadillac of TV shows tbh...

[spurraider21]

Sadly, the Wire is more relevant now more than ever :lol

It's the Cadillac of TV shows tbh...
you meant lexus but you aint know it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDpvkwBBu6U

[LeBowen]

Smh, I thought scott was a man of culture.
Controversial opinion, but second season is my favorite.

The Wire and Sopranos are unparalleled.

Brian Wright coming for second round picks:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmtuRRhtGQw

[Mugen]

Smh, I thought scott was a man of culture.
Controversial opinion, but second season is my favorite.

The Wire and Sopranos are unparalleled.

Brian Wright coming for second round picks:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmtuRRhtGQw

Never fully appreciated S2 until a rewatch tbh. I wonder how my man Frank Sobotka would have reacted to Trump's tariffs tbh :lol

[Ice009]

I only watched the first two seasons of The Wire (maybe some of season three, but I don't remember). They weren't available to watch here in AU until years later and I just haven't gotten around to restarting/re-watching the show from the start.
Same with the Sopranos, I watched up to either season 3 or 4, but again, they weren't on local cable I don't think. I think so you had to watch them on regular TV when they aired, but I didn't have the time to back then.
Breaking Bad, for whatever reason, I avoided it/didn't believe the hype when it was originally airing, only just started watching it recently and am up towards the end of season 2. From what I've watch so far, I think it's definitely lived up to the hype I would hear back when it was originally airing.

I will say, I didn't like S2 of The Wire as much as season 1. I have to re-watch it for sure, but maybe because it was a such a big change with new characters threw me off.

Not sure if anyone ever got into an Andre Braugher show called Homicide: Life on the Street as I remember reading that it was a very realistic cop/detective show based in Baltimore like The Wire is. I remember watching some episodes, but never had access to watch the whole series or whole seasons. Maybe not as highly rated as 'The Wire', but is still rated highly compared to most other shows.

[scott]

Smh, I thought scott was a man of culture.
Controversial opinion, but second season is my favorite.

The Wire and Sopranos are unparalleled.

Brian Wright coming for second round picks:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmtuRRhtGQw

I'll watch it already... give me a break! :lol

[spurraider21]

Never fully appreciated S2 until a rewatch tbh. I wonder how my man Frank Sobotka would have reacted to Trump's tariffs tbh :lol
frank sabotka? im not hearing his name in any of this

[Mugen]

frank sabotka? im not hearing his name in any of this

https://64.media.tumblr.com/8cf37b22cb1ea9f568d2f810a1f89018/tumblr_nb2bwiIwRt1rmbtjno1_640.jpg

[baseline bum]

plus he killed 16 Czechoslovakians. Guy was an interior decorator.

His house looked like shit

[Pauleta14]

You guys made me want to watch The Wire a 15th time... :lol

[baseline bum]

I'll watch it already... give me a break! :lol

I'm a hound you just like spurraider21 did until I finally played Sekiro

[LeBowen]

His house looked like shit

Me after we trade #14 for another 20131 pick:

https://media1.tenor.com/m/4fWo9v8iY-MAAAAd/the-sopranos-paulie-walnuts-gualtieri.gif

[baseline bum]

Never fully appreciated S2 until a rewatch tbh. I wonder how my man Frank Sobotka would have reacted to Trump's tariffs tbh :lol

Goddamnit Ziggy, you're not taking your dick out here again!

[baseline bum]

Me after we trade #14 for another 20131 pick:

https://media1.tenor.com/m/4fWo9v8iY-MAAAAd/the-sopranos-paulie-walnuts-gualtieri.gif

Keep your eye on the tiger

[LeBowen]

You guys made me want to watch The Wire a 15th time... :lol

Watch Gomorrah if you haven't, not exactly on the same level, but the closest thing to Wire and Sopranos for me.
Sons of Anarchy isn't that far off, either. Those would be my favorite crime TV shows.

[baseline bum]

Smh, I thought scott was a man of culture.
Controversial opinion, but second season is my favorite.

The Wire and Sopranos are unparalleled.

Brian Wright coming for second round picks:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmtuRRhtGQw

I think I'd rate them

1. Season 4
2. Season 2
3. Season 3
4. Season 1
5. Season 5

[baseline bum]

WHERE'S WALLACE, STRING?

Nigga, is you taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy?

[Pauleta14]

Watch Gomorrah if you haven't, not exactly on the same level, but the closest thing to Wire and Sopranos for me.
Sons of Anarchy isn't that far off, either. Those would be my favorite crime TV shows.

I have, thx. The first seasons are a must-watch indeed.

If we're giving suggestions, the best thing I've watch these last years is "Slow Horses", a UK series starring Gary Oldman, it's a spy/MI5 series.

Go watch it.

[baseline bum]

you meant lexus but you aint know it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDpvkwBBu6U

How my hair look, Mike?

[baseline bum]

I only watched the first two seasons of The Wire (maybe some of season three, but I don't remember). They weren't available to watch here in AU until years later and I just haven't gotten around to restarting/re-watching the show from the start.
Same with the Sopranos, I watched up to either season 3 or 4, but again, they weren't on local cable I don't think. I think so you had to watch them on regular TV when they aired, but I didn't have the time to back then.
Breaking Bad, for whatever reason, I avoided it/didn't believe the hype when it was originally airing, only just started watching it recently and am up towards the end of season 2. From what I've watch so far, I think it's definitely lived up to the hype I would hear back when it was originally airing.

I will say, I didn't like S2 of The Wire as much as season 1. I have to re-watch it for sure, but maybe because it was a such a big change with new characters threw me off.

Not sure if anyone ever got into an Andre Braugher show called Homicide: Life on the Street as I remember reading that it was a very realistic cop/detective show based in Baltimore like The Wire is. I remember watching some episodes, but never had access to watch the whole series or whole seasons. Maybe not as highly rated as 'The Wire', but is still rated highly compared to most other shows.

Breaking Bad legitimately gets better every season and the final season is by far the best. Never seen another show that could keep up momentum like that. Don't sleep on Better Call Saul either, though definitely save that for after Breaking Bad.

[spurraider21]

I'm a hound you just like spurraider21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905) did until I finally played Sekiro
im near the endgame in DS2 so i jumped into the DLC

ill get to elden ring eventually i promise :lol

[spurraider21]

Nigga, is you taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy?
chair dont recognize yo ass

[Ice009]

I have, thx. The first seasons are a must-watch indeed.

If we're giving suggestions, the best thing I've watch these last years is "Slow Horses", a UK series starring Gary Oldman, it's a spy/MI5 series.

Go watch it.

Slow Horses is definitely on my list. Forgot all about it until you mentioned it. Heard it's really good.


Breaking Bad legitimately gets better every season and the final season is by far the best. Never seen another show that could keep up momentum like that. Don't sleep on Better Call Saul either, though definitely save that for after Breaking Bad.

Darn, I already thought up to the point I'm at now (season 2 is great). Can't imagine it getting better. That's crazy.

[scott]

I'm more of a Black Mirror/Ozark/Narcos/3 Body Problem kind of guy (yes, I realize these shows are all a lot different). We'll see if it vibes with you Wire/Sopranos guys. Did love Breaking Bad though.

[CorrectCrusader]

Me after we trade #14 for another 20131 pick:

https://media1.tenor.com/m/4fWo9v8iY-MAAAAd/the-sopranos-paulie-walnuts-gualtieri.gif

In hindsight, that trade was very good for us.

[scott]

In hindsight, that trade was very good for us.

Meh. It's not like the 2030 MIN pick was the lynch pin of the Fox trade. If not that pick, we would have just included a different pick.

At the end of the day, I'll always contend that we should have gotten more than what we did for the #8 pick... but it's water under the bridge at this point. But, I don't disagree with the logic of trading out of #8 (just think we should have gotten more) and I'd be okay with doing the same for #14 (assuming we get a good return).

[baseline bum]

chair dont recognize yo ass

Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk ass bitches out there?

[baseline bum]

Darn, I already thought up to the point I'm at now (season 2 is great). Can't imagine it getting better. That's crazy.

It gets WAY better

[RC_Drunkford]

Watch Gomorrah if you haven't, not exactly on the same level, but the closest thing to Wire and Sopranos for me.
Sons of Anarchy isn't that far off, either. Those would be my favorite crime TV shows.

Snowfall

[baseline bum]

Meh. It's not like the 2030 MIN pick was the lynch pin of the Fox trade. If not that pick, we would have just included a different pick.

Disagree, that was far and away the best asset the Spurs sent out for Fox and allowed the Spurs to only give away pretty meh picks to round out the deal instead of having to dip into the ATL picks or any of the picks with swaps attached. I wanted Buzelis too at the time but that trade ended up being a big win.

[scott]

Disagree, that was far and away the best asset the Spurs sent out for Fox and allowed the Spurs to only give away pretty meh picks to round out the deal instead of having to dip into the ATL picks or any of the picks with swaps attached. I wanted Buzelis too at the time but that trade ended up being a big win.

The point is that we could have just included one of those other picks (you essentially acknowledge this). It's not like the #8 trade had to happen otherwise the Fox trade wouldn't.

[Arguendo]

I also never watched the Wire. These were my first years after college... I was out doing early 20s shit and not paying for fucking HBO
If you ever have the time and appreciate screen acting/stories, they are truly great.
The Wire's more a slow burn but compelling from the start (Snot Boggy), multiple awesome story arcs every season that all connect, never know what's going to happen, all kinds of pieces coming together over years, excellent story telling. Character study of a whole damn city from multiple angles, with some of the best characters ever written/performed (Omar, Bubs, Bunk, Lester, damn basically the entire cast is perfect).
Sopranos is just fucking badass, kicked off the Golden age. Great single character study, funny, compelling.

Get a month or two of HBO for the price of a movie or meal, cancel if you don't have time, pick up when your ready.
Plus Band of Brothers, John Adams, Six Feet Under (best series finale ever too), Deadwood, Rome (rushed bc it cost WAY too much but still) are all fantastic start to finish. Boardwalk Empire, Succession, and the Leftovers are damn good too plus the comedies. First season of True Detective (maybe the best fictional limited series ever before they brought it back without the writter & director) and the first few of GOT are phenomenal. All of the above have world class cinematography, every one feels like an extended movie and except for the Sopranos whose first season was more proof-of-concept with minor growing pains, all are very clearly planned out as a single story. A few maybe got a lil too ambitious at the end, but not enough to sour anything.
Alright, time to cancel Netflix and renew HBO membership.

[Arguendo]

What the fuck are you doing here? Go download The Wire and start that shit ASAP. The Wire is the greatest piece of visual media ever made no joke. One of the actors was so convincing playing a heroin addict that he had a couple of addicts offer give him a free hit because he looked so fucked up. :lol

Also was the birth of a lot of great actors like Idris Elba, Michael B Jordan, Dominic West, Michael K. Williams, Lance Reddick, Jamie Hector, etc as well as memorable performances from Method Man and Fredro Starr from Onyx.

This the casting is very likely the best ever and the characters are written incredibly. Several are/were real gansters & cops, dripping with authenticity. Its special and you've never seen a story like it. Based on real experiences of a detective and Baltimore Sun writer, with several of the characters being closely based on real cops/bangers/politicians/newsman with changed names. Perfect corrupt ass city to explore and the trappings and problems and graft. And its so damn good because they worked out all of the kinks with the book, then The Corner HBO miniseries by same guys and same subject from 2000. Best piece of visual media ever made. Its special.

[scott]

If you ever have the time and appreciate screen acting/stories, they are truly great.
The Wire's more a slow burn but compelling from the start (Snot Boggy), multiple awesome story arcs every season that all connect, never know what's going to happen, all kinds of pieces coming together over years, excellent story telling. Character study of a whole damn city from multiple angles, with some of the best characters ever written/performed (Omar, Bubs, Bunk, Lester, damn basically the entire cast is perfect).
Sopranos is just fucking badass, kicked off the Golden age. Great single character study, funny, compelling.

Get a month or two of HBO for the price of a movie or meal, cancel if you don't have time, pick up when your ready.
Plus Band of Brothers, John Adams, Six Feet Under (best series finale ever too), Deadwood, Rome (rushed bc it cost WAY too much but still) are all fantastic start to finish. Boardwalk Empire, Succession, and the Leftovers are damn good too plus the comedies. First season of True Detective (maybe the best fictional limited series ever before they brought it back without the writter & director) and the first few of GOT are phenomenal. All of the above have world class cinematography, every one feels like an extended movie and except for the Sopranos whose first season was more proof-of-concept with minor growing pains, all are very clearly planned out as a single story. A few maybe got a lil too ambitious at the end, but not enough to sour anything.
Alright, time to cancel Netflix and renew HBO membership.

Yeah I've got HBO now. Band of Brothers (the first one, not The Pacific) is in my Top 5 for sure. Really liked Succession... gave up on Boardwalk Empire after a few seasons. All the GOT, HOD, LOU, all of those I'm all caught up on. I'd say The Night Of is an underrated miniseries, and Chernobyl was great. I'm sure I'm missing a few others.

That early 2000s right after I graduated college is the period I missed. I've got some transpacific flights coming up, if The Wire is one of the downloadable shows, I'll get it for the flight... though I'm trying to get better about using that time to read and not just watch TV.

[Arguendo]

Yeah I've got HBA now. Band of Brothers (the first one, not The Pacific) is in my Top 5 for sure. Really liked Succession... gave up on Boardwalk Empire after a few seasons. All the GOT, HOD, LOU, all of those I'm all caught up on. I'd say The Night Of is an underrated miniseries, and Chernobyl was great. I'm sure I'm missing a few others.

That early 2000s right after I graduated college is the period I missed. I've got some transpacific flights coming up, if The Wire is one of the downloadable shows, I'll get it for the flight... though I'm trying to get better about using that time to read and not just watch TV.
Yeah there's many more, Night Of was damn good, loved Chernobyl although could've/should've been more accurate, Outsider is very solid. Their catalog is very deep, but The Wire is special, its Michael Jordan.
If you like historical John Adams is freaking awesome, like everything Paul Giamatti does. And highly recommend Six Feet Under- very quirky/weird, excellent cast, its the slowest burn of any of these shows, but worth it imo. Deadwood too, if "fuck" doesn't bother you, amazing cast.

[baseline bum]

Yeah I've got HBA now. Band of Brothers (the first one, not The Pacific) is in my Top 5 for sure. Really liked Succession... gave up on Boardwalk Empire after a few seasons. All the GOT, HOD, LOU, all of those I'm all caught up on. I'd say The Night Of is an underrated miniseries, and Chernobyl was great. I'm sure I'm missing a few others.

That early 2000s right after I graduated college is the period I missed. I've got some transpacific flights coming up, if The Wire is one of the downloadable shows, I'll get it for the flight... though I'm trying to get better about using that time to read and not just watch TV.

Yeah Boardwalk was meh. Michael K Williams is way better as Omar in The Wire than he was as Chalky in Boardwalk.

[Leetonidas]

I'm more of a Black Mirror/Ozark/Narcos/3 Body Problem kind of guy (yes, I realize these shows are all a lot different). We'll see if it vibes with you Wire/Sopranos guys. Did love Breaking Bad though.

Ozark was a damn good show

[Dejounte]

If y’all want tv and movie recs, i’m a tv guru and movie cinephile tbh