Official Trade Deadline Speculation Thread

[objective]

Bell would be a decent addition .... as long as Pop doesn't start him. Hill needs to remain in the starting lineup. Bell eating minutes Bogans, Mason and Finley would otherwise get would likely be an upgrade.

But you put Bell in the starting lineup and Pop would soon be surprised how far Bell's defense has fallen. In the 2008 playoffs, Ginobili destroyed Bell ... even though Ginobili was playing on one leg. At this point in his career, Bell's mobility is a big question mark. But like I said, he's not afraid to rough up players like Kobe, so he might have the guile to make up for his decline in athleticism and quickness.

Bell has definately fallen off, and that was before getting injured and missing big chunks of a season.

But I can see an argument for Bell, specifically with the Lakers in mind. Kobe isn't a high-flying penetrating dunkmaster as much as he used to be. His game has changed to more jumpers and more post-ups. Bell right now couldn't handle the Kobe of old . . . but could be dirty enough to bother current Kobe.

Bell is a player I hate, but really, if no trade is made do people expect Roger Mason to get a new contract from the Spurs this off-season? They'll be over the tax and already have what appears to be a legit starting two in Hill and could very well re-sign Manu.

[Bruno]

Raja Bell isn't really a backup PG or a forward.

[gmanrulz]

if they said forward and backup PG must mean the forward is starting caliber so most of these ideas dont fit

[duhoh]

well, even though the suspects played, their playing time might have been a go just to shop them.

[timvp]

Raja Bell isn't really a backup PG or a forward.

Bell has slowed down to the point he's more SF than SG. Kinda like Bogans.

But yeah, the Kings announcer would likely call him a SG. If the word around the arena was that the Spurs might have to home a few players out due to an impending trade, I'm guessing we'll know in the next 24 hours if it is legit.

If it isn't legit, it'd be interesting to know WTF prompted the comment by the Kings announcer :lol

[objective]

with Pop, Bell would be the new smallball PF.

[Baseline]

Timvp's point about Mason being traded is well taken. Dude is on the Express Train into Pop's doghouse right now, and if there's anything worse than having an inconsistent shooter in the game at crunchtime, it's having a 3.75M expiring contract guy who never sees the floor.

If I've learned anything about Pop in the last ten years, it's that his doghouse gets us nowhere. Only one thing to do with Mason....move him.

I think the Dorell Wright thing is a good possibility, or the Raja Bell thing. I also like the idea of Ramon Sessions/Ryan Gomes as Spurs. Not sure how the salaries would work out, but I like both of those guys.

[bugmenot]

Last I looked, the best I could tell is he'd be ready to play again in March. Since that is another month away, it doesn't make much sense to trade for him now. The Spurs would likely wait until the trade deadline ... unless the Warriors are pushing for a completion of the deal.

As for Bell, I wouldn't love the deal but he'd be an improvement over Bogans. Plus, anyone willing to knock Kobe on his azz is a friend of mine :smokin

Timvp I thought you love Bogans..and when did Rajah knock down Kobe?

[5in10]

Sessions/gomes sounds good, I doubt the spurs are willing to pay it but maybe tyrus Thomas and hinrich?

[Patrick Davis]

I haven't heard anything about this however keep in mind the Bulls are shopping Hinrich and Thomas for possible cap space. They also need a shooting guard. Manu seems like he could fit in this deal. No idea in the legitimacy of this though.

[TD 21]

Given the information we have at our disposal, I'd be surprised if it's not Mason for Wright and Arroyo. Too many things add up, as I alluded to earlier. This move would also likely be a strong indication that Hill will now be the full-time starting SG. Assuming that is the case, then it makes sense to have another Arroyo, who's a true PG. Wright is a long, athletic forward; something this team needs. He doesn't have a single discernible skill (other than he's a decent rebounder) that I'm aware of, but he has potential as a defender.

I'm skeptical, though. Not that the Kings announcers were lying (they'd have no reason to), but in this day and age, not one insider has any information on this posted on a website? Strange.

Assuming this is in fact the trade, it clears up the logjam at SG and balances the roster better.

[objective]

Timvp I thought you love Bogans..and when did Rajah knock down Kobe?

didn't he clothesline Kobe when he was a Sun?

[timvp]

Timvp I thought you love Bogans

I still agree with my original assessment back at the start of last offseason:


I've heard Pop talk glowingly about him before. He said he liked his competitive and that he brings energy every night. I'm guessing he'll be in the mix for a minimum deal.

Personally, I don't think he's the right direction to go in. Pretty good defender but not anywhere close enough to Bowen's level to justify his below average offense. Doesn't help the Spurs in athleticism or anywhere outside of just being willing to defend.

If it comes down to Udoka or Bogans I probably go with Bogans but I'd prefer someone younger with more offensive upside.


..and when did Rajah knock down Kobe?

7V8ZukXsWmk

I ain't mad atcha, Raja :hat

[Blackjack]

The kings broadcasters right before tip off. They said Spurs are close to completing a deal that would bring in a forward and a back up point guard. And then said it might effect their rotation tonight.

Can't remember their names.

Thanks.:toast

I've got to believe this came from Amick if they felt comfortable going over the air with this. The fact that they said a forward and a backup point, doesn't lead me to think Bell, though; Raja just doesn't seem someone that's distinguished as a forward by most.

Golden State has seemed to me to be the most logical trade partner for the Spurs. They've got players like Maggette, Turiaf, and Biedrins that could be dealt to help their books; they've got Bell whom the Spurs have already expressed interest in; and they've got a guy like Randolph that could entice a team like the Spurs if they decided letting him go was worth the unloading of Maggette; I was more optimistic for such a scenario earlier on.

If it is Golden State that the deal lies with, the backup point is obviously Watson, as he's the only player there to fit the bill (the Spurs have some experience with him through the summer, as well). If I had to guess the forward, I think I'd go with Turiaf. He and Watson would combined for about $5M this year and could be had for not much more than Mason.

Rather underwhelming, if this is the case.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Nocioni+Rodriguez?

[toki9]

Dude is on the Express Train into Pop's doghouse right now.

What prompted Mason's doghouse status? Anyone know?

[Whisky Dog]

What prompted Mason's doghouse status? Anyone know?

Shooting like shit and playing zero defense.

Bricking clutch shots in crunch time.

The dude was a one trick pony last year and has sucked with a reduced role.

[rayray2k8]

Yeah, i don't think anything is gonna happen... But, usually something does happen when no one is reporting it.

[HarlemHeat37]

Wright would be nice, but I really hate Carlos Arroyo's game..

[MaNu4Tres]

Wright would be nice, but I really hate Carlos Arroyo's game..

I doubt Arroyo would be relevant in such a move. He'd see mop up duty at best unless there's an injury.

[TJastal]

Shooting like shit and playing zero defense.

Bricking clutch shots in crunch time.

The dude was a one trick pony last year and has sucked with a reduced role.

I think he was doing just fine coming off the bench. Getting the start the past couple games has cooled his shooting off. Roger IMO seems to be a rythym shooter, and it doesn't take much to disrupt that.

He was outstanding in the game before that against the grizzlies, spurs would have lost that game without his heroic shot making. He has been a good defender so far this year.

Once Parker comes back, Mason will go back to his role off the bench where he was doing quite well and resume his game winning shots and you'll be back to riding his jock like a drunk college slut.

[024]

as much as i would like to have raja bell, he has only played 6 games all season and is coming back from a major injury. he's not going to be of any help anytime soon.

[ezau]

7V8ZukXsWmk

I ain't mad atcha, Raja :hat[/quote]

Still one of the best things that ever happened to Kobe. He's such a pussy he didn't even go straight at Raja. :lmao

[jesterbobman]

I can't get the trade machine to work, but a scenario based on Mason to Minnesota, Jefferson and Mahinmi to Utah and Kirilenko and Ramon Sessions coming here would help, especially if we could get another SF to play spot minutes. You could even add in a CJ Miles to Memphis component of the deal with a minimum contract coming back to improve the Memphis bench and cut Utah's payroll down by about 4.5 million, Which I think is enough to get them under the tax. Utah may not do it, given how they're clicking at the moment and RJ's play this year. It's whether the money the save( ~5 million and payroll + tax benefits) would mean that they could keep Boozer and Okur and stay under. That would only happpen at the deadline, but it gives a semi small ball lineup, with AK47 at PF, or a long unit with AK at 3. He's not worth 16 million, but RJ's not worth 14 million.

[bigdog]

Hmm, that's weird. The only things I could think of are:

Hinrich+Thomas

Arroyo+Wright

and....that's pretty much it. I can't see someone like Raja being traded here. Hopefully the "forward" in the deal is a big.

Gortat+Jason Williams?

[#2!]

F= A. Igoudala

[Bruno]

If there is a trade, it could very well be a very small one like Mahinmi for a 3rd string PG and a 3rd string PF.

[blizz]

^^^ why do it then?

[rascal]

TJ Ford is on the trade block.

Get Ford for backup pg move Hill to Manu's minutes at the 2, trade manu for a big in another deal.

[VivaPopovich]

Bonner for Omri Casspi

[Xevious]

Anybody think we might be doing a one for two trade, if this rumor has any merit? Like one of our high dollar players (Manu, Tony, or RJ). Otherwise, why'd we free up that 15th spot by waiving Haslip? Because he could've been used for trade fodder at some point.

[timvp]

TJ Ford is on the trade block.

Get Ford for backup pg move Hill to Manu's minutes at the 2, trade manu for a big in another deal.

TJ Ford is horrible.

[smeagol]

TJ Ford is on the trade block.

Get Ford for backup pg move Hill to Manu's minutes at the 2, trade manu for a big in another deal.

You've basically liked Manu since . . . never

[MaNu4Tres]

If there is a trade, it could very well be a very small one like Mahinmi for a 3rd string PG and a 3rd string PF.

If there is a trade, it could very will be one of many options.

[mountainballer]

why do so many people think a trade for a PG doesn't make sense?
in fact this is the trade that makes as much sense as any move.
(I don't say a trade for a defensive big isn't a need either)
what's the situation?
our starting PG suffers from plantar fasciitis, also suffers from fatigue because of to much summer play and he just suffers from his 2nd minor injury this season.
if Pop wants to have him at least almost 100% for the PO, he must handle his minutes in the remaining 36 games very very carefully. but he also needs to take care for the regular season record, because Spurs are far from a sure fire PO team this year, with this super tough 2nd half schedule.
and as we know, all options for the PG spot outside Tony are far from a great solution.
bottom line:
considering the current situation, a quality PG, good enough to start some games and good enough to play a lot of back up minutes might have an even bigger effect for the Spurs PO hopes, than a big man.
and yes, I know either Hill, Manu or Mason could be used at PG, but we all know that either player is better used in a different role.

considering that Hill plays a lot of SG minutes and can defend most SGs, to trade Mason for this PG seems to make the most sense. so, whoever this player is, he would need to be at least a decent 3pt shooter.
someone mentioned Pargo. if he hadn't been that bad and inconsistent with his shot this year, he might really be a nice option and we know the Spurs already wanted him 2008.
of course it's also not easy for him to get some minutes behind Rose and Hinrich. maybe some more constant PT would get him back on track?

however, also the options for a "forward" from the Bulls look like a realistic possibility. maybe they rank Salmons as a forward, in this case it could be him. Spurs wanted him at last deadline, so there is a point for him.
and TT would cover the need for an athletic PF, who could defend the more mobile PFs and tweener very well. of course he doesn't look like Spurs material on first sight.
Pargo plus Salmons for Mason+Fin+Ian works.
Pargo plus TT for Mason+Fin or Bonner also works. (1st rounder as teaser?)
so or so, quite some options for medium size trades there. and sounds more like a typical Spurs move, than a midseason blockbuster would.

[ElNono]

TJ Ford is on the trade block.

Get Ford for backup pg move Hill to Manu's minutes at the 2, trade manu for a big in another deal.

Congrats on the win against Charlotte last night! :tu

[ElNono]

I'm surprised no other news outlet picked up on this yet... unless the deal fell off...

[admiralsnackbar]

I could live with Tyler Hansbrough and Earl Watson for Mase and Ian. Bit of lateral move for Indy (assuming they can resolve their TJ Ford issue), but they save some money next season and open up 2 slots.

[Muser]

So it must be a deal with the Kings right? Why would a kings announcer know of a deal between two different franchises?

[wildbill2u]

Bonner for Omri Casspi

The Spurs scouted Casspi a lot in the years before the draft and he was supposed to be high on their draft list, but I think he was taken before the Spurs picked.

He's still very young although he's been playing pro for several years.

I don't know it the Bonner/Casspi trade straight up would be appealing to the Kings.

[admiralsnackbar]

The Spurs scouted Casspi a lot in the years before the draft and he was supposed to be high on their draft list, but I think he was taken before the Spurs picked.

He's still very young although he's been playing pro for several years.

I don't know it the Bonner/Casspi trade straight up would be appealing to the Kings.

Pretty sure he was kidding. No way does Sac trade away part of their burgeoning core for a specialty player like Bonner.

[Rogue]

So it must be a deal with the Kings right? Why would a kings announcer know of a deal between two different franchises?
personally i dont see any likelihood the Spurs could get Kevin Martin except whom no other King roster acquirable may bring instant help to the Spurs, given that Evans is indispensable for the kings.

[Muser]

Kevin Martin? Urgh no thanks. Spencer Hawes seems pretty good, he can block shots and score at the rim. Don't want beaner back either.

[mountainballer]

I don't know it the Bonner/Casspi trade straight up would be appealing to the Kings.

did you see Casspi play?
he is top five in most rookie rankings.
Kings wouldn't even consider a Hill or Blair offer. they meanwhile see Casspi as a huge steal and cornerstone of their future and they have reasons to do so.
Bonner for Casspi is absurd.

[LOL@MavsFan]

bonner,mason,jefferson,mydyess for lebron?

I'd rather have Bonner, Mason, Jefferson and McDyess

[Bukefal]

Casspi is great, but no way the kings would trade him now, especially not for Bonner.

[vander]

unless a trade involves moving Manu, it ain't going to help this team.


and LOL @ Manu "haters" being called Laker fans, when it is the CoM that would actually become a fan of the Lakers or any other team if they acquired Manu. :lol

[ElNono]

unless a trade involves moving Manu, it ain't going to help this team.

Moving Bonner would help...

[Chieflion]

unless a trade involves moving Manu, it ain't going to help this team.


and LOL @ Manu "haters" being called Laker fans, when it is the CoM that would actually become a fan of the Lakers or any other team if they acquired Manu. :lol
Extremely sig-worthy for the lols.

[jermaine]

I was at the Mavs game an they didn't play the white guy much (The center). The Spurs gonna get Batum an Blake from Portland for Mason,Bonner,an Ian. The Spurs was waiting for Batum to come from his injury. That would make me very happy. I seen him covering Dirk an he was like Bruce with length.

[SenorSpur]

The Spurs scouted Casspi a lot in the years before the draft and he was supposed to be high on their draft list, but I think he was taken before the Spurs picked.

He's still very young although he's been playing pro for several years.

I read that too, that Casspi was on the Spurs radar - and he should have been. I even remember reading a quote from him, where he stated he wouldn't mind it the Spurs picked him because of their superb track record with international players.

The problem was that he excelled so well in the pre-draft camps that he started moving up the ranks and literally played himself into the 1st round. All this put him out of the Spurs reach because the Spurs didn't have a 1st round pick.

As far as Sacto trading him, they love the guy and he's adjusted to the NBA quicker than they would've ever imagined. It's highly unlikely they could ever be convinced in giving him up.

[Whisky Dog]

Would any of these small deals really put the Spurs over the LA grizzlie-robbers?

[EmmanuelTimothyDavid]

I really hope so that this is true......

This team really needs a trade.... Hoping it would be Iguodala.... Tyshaun Prince....

Both of them can really jump start this team again

[Mark in Austin]

TJ Ford is on the trade block.

Get Ford for backup pg move Hill to Manu's minutes at the 2, trade manu for a big in another deal.

I think we already have enough fragile players. Ford is more injury prone than Manu.

Bell wouldn't be bad but if I'm the Spurs I wait till the deadline - odds are good there will be some teams desperate to shed salary.

[rjv]

one has to wonder how much bandwidth over the years has been wasted on trade rumors.

[galvatron3000]

Spurs deals is for Batum....Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!














































































































































:flag: ok, kidding but dreaming as well
lol :lol

[ElNono]

It gotta be a vet... the question is who is over the hill enough that Pop feels compelled to summon him to the Spurs...

[jermaine]

Spurs deals is for Batum....Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know to be true just guessing












































































































































:flag:
lol :lol

[galvatron3000]

yea, just kidding and dreaming, had just watch Batum play against Spurs on youtube

[vander]

how many years of Draft picks is a team allowed to trade?

I mean, if the FO is serious about getting TD one more Ring, why not RJ or Manu + 5 future first round picks for a legit stud :lobt2:

[spurs50_]

can't wait to see how pop sucks the confidence out of any new guys we acquire.

[SpurNation]

This works. Dujan and Hughes complaining about no playing time and Jefferson would fit perfect in D'Antoni's system. Plus the Knicks could take on RJ's contract and it not hurt them. Wizards looking to firehouse and have room to rebuild. San Antonio gets a better SF for this system than RJ, a b/u pg and a lock tight interior big for this season at least.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5429979

Congratulations on a successful trade.

Due to San Antonio, Washington, and New York being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. San Antonio, Washington, and New York had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


Trade ID #5429979 (http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5429979)

Every trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario.

San Antonio Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +10.9 ppg, +10.9 rpg, and +4.8 apg.

Incoming Players
http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Butler_Caron_was.jpg Caron Butler
6-7 SF from Connecticut
16.5 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.2 apg in 39.2 minutes
http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Haywood_Brendan_was.jpg Brendan Haywood
7-0 C from North Carolina
9.8 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 33.0 minutes
http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Duhon_Chris_nyk.jpg Chris Duhon
6-1 PG from Duke
8.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 6.3 apg in 33.2 minutes

Outgoing Players
http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Jefferson_Richard_san.jpg Richard Jefferson
6-7 SF from Arizona
12.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.1 apg in 31.3 minutes
http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Mason_Roger_san.jpg Roger Mason
6-5 SG from Virginia
7.4 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 19.6 minutes
http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Mahinmi_Ian_san.jpg Ian Mahinmi
6-10 PF from France
3.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 8.6 minutes


Washington Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -5.5 ppg, -8.3 rpg, and +3.0 apg.
Incoming Players
http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Mason_Roger_san.jpg Roger Mason
6-5 SG from Virginia
7.4 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 19.6 minutes
http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Mahinmi_Ian_san.jpg Ian Mahinmi
6-10 PF from France
3.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 8.6 minutes
http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Hughes_Larry_nyk.jpg Larry Hughes
6-5 SG from St. Louis
9.8 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 3.6 apg in 26.7 minutes

Outgoing Players
http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Butler_Caron_was.jpg Caron Butler
6-7 SF from Connecticut
16.5 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.2 apg in 39.2 minutes
http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Haywood_Brendan_was.jpg Brendan Haywood
7-0 C from North Carolina
9.8 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 33.0 minutes


New York Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -5.4 ppg, -2.6 rpg, and -7.8 apg.
Incoming Players
http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Jefferson_Richard_san.jpg Richard Jefferson
6-7 SF from Arizona
12.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.1 apg in 31.3 minutes

Outgoing Players
http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Hughes_Larry_nyk.jpg Larry Hughes
6-5 SG from St. Louis
9.8 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 3.6 apg in 26.7 minutes
http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Duhon_Chris_nyk.jpg Chris Duhon
6-1 PG from Duke
8.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 6.3 apg in 33.2 minutes

[Mr. Body]

I love how people think the Spurs can get outrageous deals for expiring crap like Mason.

[Chieflion]

This works. Dujan and Hughes complaining about no playing time and Jefferson would fit perfect in D'Antoni's system. Plus the Knicks could take on RJ's contract and it not hurt them. Wizards looking to firehouse and have room to rebuild. San Antonio gets a better SF for this system than RJ, a b/u pg and a lock tight interior big for this season at least.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5429979

Congratulations on a successful trade.

Due to San Antonio, Washington, and New York being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. San Antonio, Washington, and New York had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


Trade ID #5429979 (http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5429979)

Every trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario.

San Antonio Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +10.9 ppg, +10.9 rpg, and +4.8 apg.

Incoming Playershttp://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Butler_Caron_was.jpg Caron Butler
6-7 SF from Connecticut
16.5 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.2 apg in 39.2 minutes http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Haywood_Brendan_was.jpg Brendan Haywood
7-0 C from North Carolina
9.8 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 33.0 minutes http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Duhon_Chris_nyk.jpg Chris Duhon
6-1 PG from Duke
8.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 6.3 apg in 33.2 minutes Outgoing Playershttp://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Jefferson_Richard_san.jpg Richard Jefferson
6-7 SF from Arizona
12.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.1 apg in 31.3 minuteshttp://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Mason_Roger_san.jpg Roger Mason
6-5 SG from Virginia
7.4 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 19.6 minuteshttp://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Mahinmi_Ian_san.jpg Ian Mahinmi
6-10 PF from France
3.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 8.6 minutes


Washington Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -5.5 ppg, -8.3 rpg, and +3.0 apg.
Incoming Playershttp://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Mason_Roger_san.jpg Roger Mason
6-5 SG from Virginia
7.4 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 19.6 minutes http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Mahinmi_Ian_san.jpg Ian Mahinmi
6-10 PF from France
3.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 8.6 minutes http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Hughes_Larry_nyk.jpg Larry Hughes
6-5 SG from St. Louis
9.8 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 3.6 apg in 26.7 minutes Outgoing Playershttp://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Butler_Caron_was.jpg Caron Butler
6-7 SF from Connecticut
16.5 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.2 apg in 39.2 minuteshttp://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Haywood_Brendan_was.jpg Brendan Haywood
7-0 C from North Carolina
9.8 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 33.0 minutes


New York Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -5.4 ppg, -2.6 rpg, and -7.8 apg.
Incoming Playershttp://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Jefferson_Richard_san.jpg Richard Jefferson
6-7 SF from Arizona
12.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.1 apg in 31.3 minutes Outgoing Playershttp://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Hughes_Larry_nyk.jpg Larry Hughes
6-5 SG from St. Louis
9.8 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 3.6 apg in 26.7 minuteshttp://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Duhon_Chris_nyk.jpg Chris Duhon
6-1 PG from Duke
8.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 6.3 apg in 33.2 minutes
Let us not even talk about the side of the Spurs. Why does New York give up their chance for LeBron for Richard Jefferson?

[Mr. Body]

Let us not even talk about the side of the Spurs. Why does New York give up their chance for LeBron for Richard Jefferson?

Because we're Spurs Fans!

[5in10]

corey brewer and ramon sessions...:hat

[lebomb]

I would love Andre Igoudala....................

[Chieflion]

corey brewer and ramon sessions...:hat
Damn, you copied my idea, at least the part about the point guard.

[duncanCOSTARICA]

well thats why he played finley last night...he wanted fin to shoot some 3s and find out if he can release RMJr.

[Mr. Body]

corey brewer and ramon sessions...:hat

I didn't realize Brewer had upped his scoring that much this year. His mpg are up 50% and his scoring almost 100%. Can he be a player yet?

[mountainballer]

Because we're Spurs Fans!

we are, yes. but when did the whole Knicks FO become Spurs fans?

[SpurNation]

corey brewer and ramon sessions...:hat

I would love Sessions and Brewer...but what would Minnesota be willing to take to give up on 2 good rotational players at the price their paying?

Which is cheap for both.

[mountainballer]

Brewer finally seems to become the player the Wolves hoped to get, when they used a #7 pick for him.
why should they trade him right now?

but the Sessions+Gomes scenario is interesting.
both would fit nice. (maybe except the lack of 3pt shooting from Sessions)
and Gomes is a very nice option for a back up SF and small ball PF.
don't think the Wolves are desperately trying to dump him, but maybe they are no longer sold on him. he isn't as good this season.
(btw. the Spurs at least were interested in Sessions before the 2007 draft. they had him in for 2 work outs.)

[DaBears]

This supposed Trade rumors, where was this recent one gnerated from and is there any truth to this possible trade..

Last i checked was'nt the weak spot in the spurs armor their Defense... I would hope if anything we get a Capable Big Man to fill the paint...

[SpurNation]

we are, yes. but when did the whole Knicks FO become Spurs fans?

A lot of player disention in Knick town. Both players mentioned in the trade scenario are not happy. They're not being played. And RJ would be an improvement to their team. His salary would not effect the Knicks next season (or a shot at Lebron IMO if the Knicks actually have a shot); And in a system that would promote RJ's abilities better than in the Spurs system...would help his value as a player to a team.

Likelyhood this trade ever happens?...probably zero. But it's not a trade that the Knicks would necessarily be giving up something for nothing. Currently RJ would help them as a player more so than they are getting out of Duhon and Hughes while helping them have some value in a player in RJ they could get in return down the line.

[Sausage]

Since when do Kings announcers know something we don't?

[Big P]

hoopsworld > kings announcers

[DaBears]

And as if on on tv/radio announcers are going to blurt out loud a possible trade involving thier team... Very unlikey.....Considering they all have signed legal documents from the team stating they will not dissuss team/FO buisness before it has gone public..... Wouldnt not be a smart move on thier part...

[sexinthatsx]

Actually earlier someone mentioned a deal possibly to acquire Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas. I'd love to see Hinrich and Tyrus on the spurs... Hinrich's defense is actually good for a PG, and Tyrus is a defensive minded player while still having the athletic abilities to get to the rim.

[ace3g]

I know this is stupid but hopefully the Kings announcers didn't prevent a trade from happening by commenting on it.

It is just weird that they would know something like that and even say "the Spurs rotations will be a little different tonight because of the possible trade"

[benefactor]

rofl anyone who thinks that trading Manu for a big is a good idea.

[all_heart]

So long as the player(s) are there, why would there be a rotation change? It's not like they are going to get on a plane back home during the game, are they? Having said that I am glad Bonner played reduced minutes last night.

[loveforthegame]

I know this is stupid but hopefully the Kings announcers didn't prevent a trade from happening by commenting on it.

It is just weird that they would know something like that and even say "the Spurs rotations will be a little different tonight because of the possible trade"

I don't know why it would prevent a trade from happening. It's not like they said we hear the Spurs and ?? are about to complete a trade. No specific players were mentioned either. Just that the rotations and minutes might be different because of it.

What was so weird was how specific they were about what we'd be getting.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

A lot of player disention in Knick town. Both players mentioned in the trade scenario are not happy. They're not being played. And RJ would be an improvement to their team. His salary would not effect the Knicks next season (or a shot at Lebron IMO if the Knicks actually have a shot); And in a system that would promote RJ's abilities better than in the Spurs system...would help his value as a player to a team.

Likelyhood this trade ever happens?...probably zero. But it's not a trade that the Knicks would necessarily be giving up something for nothing. Currently RJ would help them as a player more so than they are getting out of Duhon and Hughes while helping them have some value in a player in RJ they could get in return down the line.

I thought you were having a laugh with this trade but now that you've actually started defending it like it's even remotely realistic, you should take a look at NY's payroll - by acquiring one of the worst contracts in the NBA in RJ they'll add $15 mil to their payroll, thus making their chance to get LeBron 0, whereas if they let these 2 contracts simply expire they'd have a shot at LeBron + one more high profile player in the summer. It'd be totally outrageous of them to do this trade, Isiah is not there anymore and even he would prob have the common sense to simly laugh at it.

[024]

mavs have their eyes on iguodala and kevin martin. they would be legitimate contenders if they acquire either one. i think the spurs have more appealing pieces to trade but the mavs can absorb dalembert's contract like it's nothing. also, rumor has that the bulls and celtics are working a deal to swap allen with hinrich and thomas. i doubt the spurs would trade for those two.

[benefactor]

I wish we could find a way to get Dorell Wright as the Heat are likely to dump him...but Miami is looking for straight cap relief so we pretty much have nothing to offer. Perhaps we can get him in a three way deal if Miami goes after Amare?

[ginobili fan]

I wish we could find a way to get Dorell Wright as the Heat are likely to dump him...but Miami is looking for straight cap relief so we pretty much have nothing to offer. Perhaps we can get him in a three way deal if Miami goes after Amare?

the others team deal for Amare or Iguodala and you wish for Dorell Wright ?????
you are such a stupid pussy

[DesignatedT]

mavs have their eyes on iguodala and kevin martin. they would be legitimate contenders if they acquire either one. i think the spurs have more appealing pieces to trade but the mavs can absorb dalembert's contract like it's nothing. also, rumor has that the bulls and celtics are working a deal to swap allen with hinrich and thomas. i doubt the spurs would trade for those two.

kevin martin sucks. dude just launches 3's with that nasty ass release.

the mavs acquiring him by getting rid of spur killer josh howard would be fantastic imo. martin is weak and soft. howard gives us fits.

[tav1]

FWIW: Jerry Reynolds, Kings game guy, is also part of their front office. He's credible.

[doobs]

FWIW: Jerry Reynolds, Kings game guy, is also part of their front office. He's credible.

If the Kings are involved, he should be fired.

[ace3g]

that would piss me off even more if the Kings were involved in the trade, maybe it was a good trade for the Spurs (Nocioni and Rod) and now it won't happen because of those comments made.

I'm probably reading too much into it, but the commentator knew a lot of details about the trade, hope it still happens

[benefactor]

the others team deal for Amare or Iguodala and you wish for Dorell Wright ?????
you are such a stupid pussy
What is stupid is Spur fan thinking we need to break the bank for one of those players to be a contender...or that there is any chance we can even acquire them.

Wright has good length, can play several positions and shoots 37% from distance. He would be a great addition.

[Obstructed_View]

the others team deal for Amare or Iguodala and you wish for Dorell Wright ?????
you are such a stupid pussy

The Spurs don't need a superstar, you fucking dumbass. They need role players, and right now they need someone who can step into the gap that Bowen left. Wright is one of those guys. Let the other teams chase overrated scorers that don't understand team basketball or defense.

[Spur|n|Austin]

the others team deal for Amare or Iguodala and you wish for Dorell Wright ?????
you are such a stupid pussy


No sir, you sound stupid.

[rascal]

The Spurs don't need a superstar, you fucking dumbass. They need role players, and right now they need someone who can step into the gap that Bowen left. Wright is one of those guys. Let the other teams chase overrated scorers that don't understand team basketball or defense.

Depends on which superstar they get. I'd rather see an impact star player then a role player.

[SenorSpur]

Wright would be a welcomed addition. Arroyo too.

Personally, I hope the Mavs to get Kevin Martin. I would fear an Iguodala addition.

[rascal]

What is stupid is Spur fan thinking we need to break the bank for one of those players to be a contender...or that there is any chance we can even acquire them.

Wright has good length, can play several positions and shoots 37% from distance. He would be a great addition.

Wright will not put the spurs past the lakers. He just is not that type of an impact player.

[Mr. Body]

We need fresh blood and a small shakeup. So hopefully something's down the pipe.

[MaNu4Tres]

Would anyone consider Posey if Julian Wright was packaged as an incentive ?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjfdvbf

With Finley getting bought out and coming back?

Just want to get feedback from ST Fam....

[Muser]

Personally, I hope the Mavs to get Kevin Martin. I would fear an Iguodala addition.


Agreed, Martin sucks pretty bad.

[JR3]

Still nothing..not even a solid rumor with names. This kinda smells like a true spurs trade coming up. One no one has heard of. (or there was something in the works and it died) I guess this thread can just stay open until something happens or the deadline passes.

[Muser]

Would anyone consider Posey if Julian Wright was packaged as an incentive ?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjfdvbf

With Finley getting bought out and coming back?

Just want to get feedback from ST Fam....

I'd love Posey, he may be dirty but he would add much needed tougness to the team. Sadly his contract sucks and he is on the decline.

[admiralsnackbar]

Would anyone consider Posey if Julian Wright was packaged as an incentive ?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjfdvbf

With Finley getting bought out and coming back?

Just want to get feedback from ST Fam....

I'd think about it if they threw Darren Collison in instead of Wright.

[Mr. Body]

I'm surprised Julian Wright has struggled as much as he has. Corey Brewer's punching through a bit, but Wright looks like he never will.

[Fpoonsie]

Agreed, Martin sucks pretty bad.

Not sure if you were being sarcastic here, but Martin's a SOLID scorer. Last night's game wasn't/isn't indicative of his actual talent level. I think he's just tired of that Kings team. I'd be surprised if, were he to be traded, his production didn't improve IMMENSELY.

[ginobili fan]

The Spurs don't need a superstar, you fucking dumbass. They need role players, and right now they need someone who can step into the gap that Bowen left. Wright is one of those guys. Let the other teams chase overrated scorers that don't understand team basketball or defense.

it didn't mean that way but the role players , we got them.
It's not dorrell fucking wright who gonna make us better or change things.
I know we don't need superstar but come on WHO THE FUCK IS DORRELL WRIGHT ??????? dumbass i'm just tired of lateral moves made by the spurs since so many years.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'm surprised Julian Wright has struggled as much as he has. Corey Brewer's punching through a bit, but Wright looks like he never will.

He hasn't necessary struggled as much as you suggest. He's a long athletic small forward who is still only 22 and has untapped potential. He just needs find some consistent PT and improve on his outside shot to a degree. IMO

[SenorSpur]

He hasn't necessary struggled as much as you suggest. He's a long athletic small forward who is still only 22 and has untapped potential. He just needs find some consistent PT and improve on his outside shot to a degree. IMO

He was never going to develop under Byron Scott - and as long as he stays in New Orleans, he'll probably never reach is full potential.

[admiralsnackbar]

He hasn't necessary struggled as much as you suggest. He's a long athletic small forward who is still only 22 and has untapped potential. He just needs find some consistent PT and improve on his outside shot to a degree. IMO

If you've got your heart set on Wright, I guess I have to ask why you'd want to trade for 2 SFs?

[ginobili fan]

Wright will not put the spurs past the lakers. He just is not that type of an impact player.

Why do you even respond them?
They are such a pussy like: "oh well we, Spurs play defense you know we don't need lebron james oh my oh hum oh I tkinh Nazr Mohammed would be great or maybe Dorrell Wright then we could beat the lakers oh yeah..."

[K-State Spur]

Would anyone consider Posey if Julian Wright was packaged as an incentive ?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjfdvbf

With Finley getting bought out and coming back?

Just want to get feedback from ST Fam....

Julian Wright is not much incentive. Dude is all athlete and virtually no basketball player. He's a poor man's tyrus thomas, when tyrus is thomas is just a poor man's competent forward.

[MaNu4Tres]

He was never going to develop under Byron Scott - and as long as he stays in New Orleans, he'll probably never reach is full potential.

I think the player has potential, and can reach it if he's in the right scenario.

[benefactor]

Depends on which superstar they get. I'd rather see an impact star player then a role player.
A star is not going to help a team that is just not playing good basketball. It's more about the team and less about the personnel.

[MaNu4Tres]

Julian Wright is not much incentive. Dude is all athlete and virtually no basketball player. He's a poor man's tyrus thomas, when tyrus is thomas is just a poor man's competent forward.

He's as athletic as Tyrus Thomas in jumping ability yeah. But their games are totally different. imo

[benefactor]

WHO THE FUCK IS DORRELL WRIGHT ???????
Our point exactly.

[ginobili fan]

A star is not going to help a team that is just not playing good basketball. It's more about the team and less about the personnel.

I know what you mean but do you think the actual team can beat the Lakers ? even with dorrell Wright the second coming ?

[MaNu4Tres]

Julian Wright is not much incentive.

For Mason and Bogans expiring contract, Julian Wright who is a young, long and athletic 22 year old small forward is an incentive. He has two more years left on his rookie scaled contract as well.

[ginobili fan]

Our point exactly.

it was irony...
It means who is this fucking shitty player some spurs fans are sucking ?

[K-State Spur]

He's as athletic as Tyrus Thomas in jumping ability yeah. But their games are totally different. imo

There both thin 4s that occasionally masquerade as 3s. Neither has much game around the hoop. And both are guys who were taken much earlier in the draft than they should have been based on athletic ability without regard to basketball skill.

I'd rather have Haislip than Wright.

[K-State Spur]

For Mason and Bogans expiring contract, Julian Wright who is a young, long and athletic 22 year old small forward is an incentive. He has two more years left on his rookie scaled contract as well.

He's the last guy on the bench for a good team. He doesn't have a jumpshot, he's never had a jumpshot, no reason to think that he'll develop one now.

I guess the hope would be that he could develop that athletic ability into a big defensive, rebounding 3, but that hasn't happened yet.

[SenorSpur]

Julian Wright = James Gist
Perhaps?

[MaNu4Tres]

There both thin 4s that occasionally masquerade as 3s. Neither has much game around the hoop. And both are guys who were taken much earlier in the draft than they should have been based on athletic ability without regard to basketball skill.

I'd rather have Haislip than Wright.

Julian Wright is a small forward/wing/guard first and foremost. He is not a power forward by any means.

Julian Wright can guard 2/3's in the league.

We have different opinions. Leave it at that.

I'm not saying Julian Wright is the main reason I'd go for this trade, he has his faults just like any other player.

Reason why he would be an incentive is because of the low risk high reward in terms of his cheap rookie scaled contract and ceiling potential wise.

BTW Stromile Swift is a better comparison to a poor man's Tyrus Thomas.

[pad300]

Parker, Finley
for
Andre Miller, + one of (Pryzbilla, Fernandez) or (Outlaw, Webster) or (Pryzbilla, Batum)

Why for POR? Get an all-star level youngish PG to go with their youthful core. Miller and Roy were having trouble coexisting; because Roy is Manu'ish in that he plays as a partial creator role at SG.

Why for SA? Miller + either a good youngster (Batum/Fernandez) + filler (pryzbilla - injured, might come back next year). or Miler + 2 decent wings. Any of the packages would improve our wing rotation without much of a downgrade at PG.

IF the FO thinks hes a bust, send Mahinmi along as well for the tax savings, and ask for rights to Victor Claver in return.

[MaNu4Tres]

Julian Wright = James Gist
Perhaps?

James Gist has odds against him to ever sit in a suit in an NBA game.

Julian Wright has already defied those odds, playing in more games than supervising in a suit.

Anyway I'm tired of y'all making me defend Julian Wright like he's the second coming. That wasn't my intention whatsoever. I just think the player has some value even if it's a little due to his untapped potential and two more years left on his rookie scale contract. Not to mention, also being 22 years old.

[lmbebo]

Parker, Finley
for
Andre Miller, + one of (Pryzbilla, Fernandez) or (Outlaw, Webster) or (Pryzbilla, Batum)

Why for POR? Get an all-star level youngish PG to go with their youthful core. Miller and Roy were having trouble coexisting; because Roy is Manu'ish in that he plays as a partial creator role at SG.

Why for SA? Miller + either a good youngster (Batum/Fernandez) + filler (pryzbilla - injured, might come back next year). or Miler + 2 decent wings. Any of the packages would improve our wing rotation without much of a downgrade at PG.

IF the FO thinks hes a bust, send Mahinmi along as well for the tax savings, and ask for rights to Victor Claver in return.


Worst trade proposal I've ever read ...

Trading a young, at times a top 5 pg, for an overpaid aging slow footed point guard and injured players who won't even help us this year.

[024]

kevin martin sucks. dude just launches 3's with that nasty ass release.

the mavs acquiring him by getting rid of spur killer josh howard would be fantastic imo. martin is weak and soft. howard gives us fits.
martin launches 3's and makes them at a 38% clip. the guy also gets to the free throw line at a high rate which means he's attacking. howard may be a spurs killer but pretty much fades away against every other opponent. there's no guarantee the mavs and spurs will meet in the playoffs anyways but that wasn't my point. the mavs acquiring a top 5 scoring SG would launch them into the next level, between the lakers at top and the nuggets at bottom.

[024]

from espn insider:


I've struggled to accept the idea that the 76ers would give away Iguodala, their best player, no matter how desperate they are to cut payroll. But in NBA front offices, the word is that he is very much available. Of course, Philly's hope is to get rid of the contract of Samuel Dalembert in such a deal.

A source told ESPN.com on Wednesday that the Houston Rockets have recently renewed discussions with the 76ers about a deal involving Iguodala and Dalembert for the expiring contract of Tracy McGrady. And as I reported above, the Suns have also entered the mix, offering Amare Stoudemire for Iguodala and Dalembert. The Cavs and Dallas Mavericks have explored Iguodala deals as well.

Slowing discussions at the moment is the fact that the Sixers really want to get some talent back in such a deal. The Rockets have players to offer, and the Suns might be willing to throw in Leandro Barbosa, I'm told.

So while the Sixers are motivated to move Iguodala, I think it's going to take more than an expiring contract to land him in the end.
against those offers, my hopes of acquiring iguodala is not high. spurs would have to pretty much give up hill/blair and maybe rights to splitter/1st round pick.

[MaNu4Tres]

from espn insider:


against those offers, my hopes of acquiring iguodala is not high. spurs would have to pretty much give up hill/blair and maybe rights to splitter/1st round pick.

Jefferson, Bonner, Mason Splitter and a 1st is the most I'd offer Philly for Iggy and Dalembert.

[Sobe_Kucks]

Wouldn't it be a kick in the nuts if we were only getting Beno and Ime back? That would make that pic in the other thread even more hilarious.

There was another thread about the announcer at Inside Hoops NBA forum but after reading through it for all of 2 minutes I had to come back to ST. That forum made me appreciate ST even more.

[timvp]

Parker, Finley
for
Andre Miller, + one of (Pryzbilla, Fernandez) or (Outlaw, Webster) or (Pryzbilla, Batum)

Why for POR? Get an all-star level youngish PG to go with their youthful core. Miller and Roy were having trouble coexisting; because Roy is Manu'ish in that he plays as a partial creator role at SG.

Why for SA? Miller + either a good youngster (Batum/Fernandez) + filler (pryzbilla - injured, might come back next year). or Miler + 2 decent wings. Any of the packages would improve our wing rotation without much of a downgrade at PG.

IF the FO thinks hes a bust, send Mahinmi along as well for the tax savings, and ask for rights to Victor Claver in return.
:smchode:

[pad300]

Worst trade proposal I've ever read ...

Trading a young, at times a top 5 pg, for an overpaid aging slow footed point guard and injured players who won't even help us this year.


Lets see.

Miller makes 6.7$ million/year, and has a PER of 17.1, WP/48 0.094, this year. Parker has a per of 17.0, WP/48 0.038, and makes 12.6 $ million. Sure, Tony's got PF, but he isn't likely to recover until next year. Also, it has been suggested that this years team would work better with a "purer" PG. Miller is much more of pure PG than TP.

Pryzbilla is filler. He's injured this year, but is historically a decent 7ft center. He's also expiring next year, same time as Jefferson.

Neither Batum nor Fernandez is currently injured. Both are young and on cheap rookie contracts. Both are much better than Finley/Mason/Bogans, and look as good as Jefferson.

This trade doesn't hurt us on talent this year, given TP's PF limitations.
This Year Miller = TP, Batum/Fernandez >>> Finley. Our wing rotation gets a LOT better, and we don't drop off much, if at all, at PG.

In the future, Miller < TP, Batum/Fernandez are really quite promising, it puts our promising youth team at Blair (PF), Hill (PG), Batum/Fernandez (Wing), Hairston (Wing). Also, we have to consider the potential expense and difficulties of resigning TP, when Duncan retires the same year. Can TP be the man when Duncan's gone?

Finally, if we include Mahinmi for Claver's rights, we get another prospect, and save approximately 1.5 million in lux tax, and roughly another .5 million in salary.

I'd suggest thinking these things through, before you run your mouth.

[Brazil]

Parker, Finley
for
Andre Miller, + one of (Pryzbilla, Fernandez) or (Outlaw, Webster) or (Pryzbilla, Batum)

Why for POR? Get an all-star level youngish PG to go with their youthful core. Miller and Roy were having trouble coexisting; because Roy is Manu'ish in that he plays as a partial creator role at SG.

Why for SA? Miller + either a good youngster (Batum/Fernandez) + filler (pryzbilla - injured, might come back next year). or Miler + 2 decent wings. Any of the packages would improve our wing rotation without much of a downgrade at PG.

IF the FO thinks hes a bust, send Mahinmi along as well for the tax savings, and ask for rights to Victor Claver in return.

:lmao

Fortunately some spurs fans have a good sense of humor.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'd suggest thinking these things through, before you run your mouth.

With all do respect you should do the same. That proposal is full of fail.

[baseline bum]

Fucking Andre Miller? :lmao

[ElNono]

Fucking Andre Miller? :lmao

He dropped 52 on the Mavs in Dallas... no way we get him...

[slick'81]

miller and a bunch or crap for parker and finley now this thread is getting interesting

[bless1187]

man.... just announce it already: R. Mason Jr + M. Bonner + I. Mahinmi for T. Thomas + J. Pargo...

TP / JP
GH / MG
RJ / KB
TD / TT
AM / DB

[Muser]

Maybe the Kings announcer just said it because he knew SpursTalk would make a 20 + thread.

[admiralsnackbar]

Maybe the Kings announcer just said it because he knew SpursTalk would make a 20 + thread.

:lol That crossed my mind, too.

[bless1187]

i was just thinking about it on why the Kings announcer would say that...

1.) he said that a back up PG and either a Forward or Big man - a trade that we haven't heard yet in the news anywhere, so he couldn't have picked it up from Hoopsworld.

2.) "back up PG" - you don't usually say "back up" PG unless you know the specifics.

3.) the fact that he said he wondered how it would affect rotations - means that the deal is pretty close to being finalized.

4.) i think the commentator used to be a assistant coach and another poster stated that he works in part of the Kings front office.

[K-State Spur]

Julian Wright is a small forward/wing/guard first and foremost. He is not a power forward by any means.

Julian Wright can guard 2/3's in the league.

We have different opinions. Leave it at that.

I'm not saying Julian Wright is the main reason I'd go for this trade, he has his faults just like any other player.

Reason why he would be an incentive is because of the low risk high reward in terms of his cheap rookie scaled contract and ceiling potential wise.

BTW Stromile Swift is a better comparison to a poor man's Tyrus Thomas.

Wright's got a subpar handle and no range on his jumper. He does his best work around the rim - so his best position is as a quick 4 (i.e. Sean Marion type) like he played in college.

Put Wright at the 2/3 and you're playing 4 on 5 offensively.

[HarlemHeat37]

The Kings announcer actually said that "the deal isn't official, but it's almost finalized"..he didn't word it exactly like that, but that was what he basically said..it's just strange that he would randomly say that..

If we're getting a wing player, he better be under 30 years old..shit, if we're getting anybody, I hope he isn't older than 30..

[MaNu4Tres]

Wright's got a subpar handle and no range on his jumper. He does his best work around the rim - so his best position is as a quick 4 (i.e. Sean Marion type) like he played in college.

Put Wright at the 2/3 and you're playing 4 on 5 offensively.

You don't need great handles to play the wing position in the Spurs system. Ask Stephen Jackson and Bruce Bowen. Wright has range it's just not as consistent then again he is still 22.

His best position is small forward. It's Shawn Marion by the way.

His game is much like Donte Green's from Sacramento.

[Kindergarten Cop]

i was just thinking about it on why the Kings announcer would say that...

2.) "back up PG" - you don't usually say "back up" PG unless you know the specifics.


I thought about that too, but he could have just heard/read that the Spurs were trading for a PG and realize that there is really no possible way that we are trading for a PG better than Parker (hence, the "back up" designation).

[justinandimcool]

Hopefully the guys at TNT shed some light on this tonight.

[Gooshie]

The Kings announcer said back-up point guard and BACK-UP FORWARD as well.

[DPG21920]

Hill is consistent and has been all year. Fans like you don't understand certain concepts of certain systems with all due respect.

What is your definition of point guard?

People want to rant and rave and compare Hill or Parker to Stockton, Kidd, Mark Jackson, Chris Paul, Nash but the fact is those players were in different systems that allowed them to ALWAYS have the ball in their hands to make plays. Fact is there has been only a handful of TRUE point guards in the history of the league. I get tired of hearing fans say " Tony isn't a true point guard."

"Hill can't create for other's that well he's not a true point guard. Spurs need a true point guard."

The Spurs point guards don't have the luxury in having opportunities to put up Kidd/ Nash/ Paul assist numbers with Tim and Manu having equal responsibility in terms of play making.

Same with the Lakers system and Derek Fisher.

Same with the Cavs system Mo Williams.

Same with the Hawks system and Mike Bibby.

Same with the Orlando Magic and Jameer Nelson.


The " point guards" on those teams have different responsibilities than your teams that had systems in which their point guard was their best play maker and had the ball in their hands most of the time.

With Tim, Manu, Tony being efficient play makers on the Spurs the past 7-8 years, Hill shouldn't be guilty of such criticism.IMO He's done a very consistent and admirable job all year whether if it was starting at the 2 or backing up Parker or filling in for Parker in the starting line up.

I fail to see what this has to do with your premise being wrong. Also, lol at a "fan like me". This had absolutely nothing to do with what I said or my logic.

[ace3g]

Hopefully the guys at TNT shed some light on this tonight.

thinking the same same thing, going to watch the local SA news see if KSAT or WOAI sports guys know anything

[TD 21]

The notion of Thomas as a Spur has actually grown on me. His freakish athleticism, length, quickness, shot blocking ability and improving mid-range jumper, could all be assets on this team. Maybe the Spurs see a forward who can guard face-up four's/combo forwards as a bigger need than another center-sized big who can guard centers? Or maybe they'll take whichever they can get their hands on.

Pargo, we know the Spurs had interest in signing in the summer of '08.

I'm surprised though, that in this day and age where information is so readily available, that there's still nothing on this anywhere.

[lmbebo]

Not sexy... But this trade might work based on what I'm reading on here

Keyon Dooling and Jarvis Hayes/Boone + trade exception for RMJ and Mahini..

[murpjf88]

The trades will pretty much be insignificant at this point. Regardless of how secretive the spurs are around the trade deadline, the backup pg will probably be a low cost second or third stringer, who can dribble and pass the basketball and spell a little relief for TP and the backup forward will be nothing more than a filler.

Their hasn't been much trade talk involving the spurs, and at this point, no team is going to rush into a deal with two weeks left before the deadline. If the spurs make a move for a quality player, its going to be closer to the deadline.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

DJ Augustin + Buckets for Finley, Mason, and Bonner.

[td4mvp21]

Well we all know how credible kings announcers are...

[Flux451]

Lies!!!

All I heard was a "Back-Up dancer" for Blair Highlights and a "Hype Man" for TP's Summer NT RAP Tour.

[Mhak]

can someone post the video clip for it?

[Obstructed_View]

Wright will not put the spurs past the lakers. He just is not that type of an impact player.

The Spurs could get past the Lakers right now if the team used proper lineups and played smart basketball with an emphasis on defense and inside-out scoring. Wright helps all of those things to happen.

[jermaine]

[QUOTE=bless1187;4053534]man.... just announce it already: R. Mason Jr + M. Bonner + I. Mahinmi for T. Thomas + J. Pargo...

Is this the trade or is this just hear-say?

[poop]

The Spurs could get past the Lakers right now if the team used proper lineups and played smart basketball with an emphasis on defense and inside-out scoring. Wright helps all of those things to happen.

this

[hoopdreams11]

Mike Dunleavy stepped down could the clips be having a fire sale

[underdawg]

[QUOTE=bless1187;4053534]man.... just announce it already: R. Mason Jr + M. Bonner + I. Mahinmi for T. Thomas + J. Pargo...

Is this the trade or is this just hear-say?

it could be uhnat-say

[Mr. Body]

Mike Dunleavy stepped down could the clips be having a fire sale

Hoosiers sadsack star Eric Gordon is all the scoring we need. Get 'im!

[024]

is it just going to be a michael finley extension? cuz i'd be pissed.

[murpjf88]

The Spurs could get past the Lakers right now if the team used proper lineups and played smart basketball with an emphasis on defense and inside-out scoring. Wright helps all of those things to happen.

Dreamer

[Blackjack]

Mike Dunleavy stepped down could the clips be having a fire sale

Posted by Kevin Arnovitz (http://clipperblog.com/2010/02/04/more-on-coaching-change/):

In defining the move, Dunleavy said, “I’ve had several conversations with our owner (Donald T. Sterling) concerning what we think is best for the team overall. We have discussed the possibility of my concentrating only on Basketball Operations. That option has always been available to me.”

Dunleavy continued, “I’ve come to the conclusion that this is the ideal time for me to direct my efforts toward the many personnel opportunities that lie before us, such as the trade market, the Draft and the free agent process. We fully expect to be active and productive on all those fronts.”

Roeser stated, “We fully agree with Mike that this is the right time to make this change. It just seems clear that the team needs a fresh voice and we hope that our players will respond in a positive way. As we approach the trade deadline, the NBA Draft and the upcoming Free Agent period, our team is very well-positioned from a salary cap standpoint. Mike’s experienced input will be vitally important as we continue to develop our young talented nucleus and shape our team’s future.”
Officially open for business..

[Mr. Body]

Donald Sterling needs to die and the Clippers need to be disbanded.

[Blackjack]

I found this comical:

“I’ve come to the conclusion that this is the ideal time for me to direct my efforts toward the many personnel opportunities that lie before us, such as the trade market, the Draft and the free agent process. We fully expect to be active and productive on all those fronts.”
It's the fourth of February.:lol

[Juanobili]

who is this announcer?

does he have an email address somewhere? fuck it, someone send him a damn email :lol

[ChumpDumper]

I heard somewhere the deal on the table is Popovich for Bosh.

[duncan228]

The Express-News.


Jeff McDonald: I can say everybody has been accounted for today.


Jeff McDonald: The original source is Kings broadcaster Jerry Reynolds, who also works in Sac's front office. He'd be in position to know things, as Robert de Niro might say.

But it hasn't come to fruition yet.


Jeff McDonald: Asked Pop about the possibility of a trade over the next two weeks tonight before the game. "Don't hold your breath," he said.


Jeff McDonald: That said, re: Jerry Reynolds ... Monroe and I cast a wide net this morning canvassing front office folks ... nobody else has heard anything of the sort.


Jeff McDonald: I don't think the trade is with the Kings. It was just a Kings front office guy who heard the rumor.


Jeff McDonald: Pop, from 30 minutes ago: “There’s a whole lot of talk that goes on between all 30 teams,” Popovich said. “As we all know, come trade deadline, very little ever happens. So I wouldn’t hold my breath or anything like that.”

[The Great Fantastic]

I'm totally down for Popovich for Bosh. Only if Toronto buys out Pop. Then we could sign Gregg for the minimum after 30 days!!!!


Drive for 5 is alive!

[Duncan2177]

CIA Pop

[ace3g]

at this point I don't care what the trade is, I just want something to be announced

[DPG21920]

I said that I thought it was very unlikely there is a move. I truly believe the FO believes they have enough as is. Call it nostalgia or just not wanting to admit the moves they told ownership would give them a legit shot were not quite accurate, but I don't see them making a move.

Maybe something very minor, but no big swings.

[ChumpDumper]

I think they'll try something big, but in the end won't be able to trade Pop for Bosh.

[Vic Petro]

Mason and Finley haven't played in the 1st half.

[MRduncan2010]

FIN will never get traded POP man crush

[MRduncan2010]

Mason not playing suspicious

[Spurtacus]

The last championship we won....

http://www.kzs-zveza.si/kzs/slike/udrih_beno.jpg

...Beno was on the team.

But seriously. Maybe we can get Jason Thompson.

[AussieFanKurt]

bonner,mason,jefferson,mydyess for lebron?

good optionnnn.
lets get paper workk going

[TIMMYD!]

I want a fucking BIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sense]

I want a fucking BIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

penis?

[exstatic]

at this point I don't care what the trade is, I just want something to be announced

Yeah, OK, Isaiah.

[ace3g]

I just meant in terms of that I was so blindsided by that trade comment from the Kings announcers; something you don't usually hear first from an announcer before something appears online. It was just weird considering the details they had on the trade.

[Ice009]

Either PULL THE TRIGGER or go FUCK yourself. This team ain't gellin'.

[slick'81]

Mason not playing suspicious


especially on a back2back

[jermaine]

especially on a back2back

Bonner didn't really get mins either. You can't tell me they not getting traded in the next day or two

[pad300]

TP 18 Pts, 6 Asts, 1 reb, 1 TO, 1 Stl
This was one of his best games this season really. 18 + 6*2 = 30 pts he was responsible for

Andre Miller
11 Pts, 10 Asts, 4 Reb, 0 TO, 0STL
11+10*2 = 31 pts he was responsible. And he had more rebounds.

Miller is so bad relative to TP. He's just so overpaid at $6,000,000 less in salary...

[spurtech09]

get something going cause the spurs just lost to portland yet again.....trade rj plzzzzzzz

[spurtech09]

minor trade is some life for this spurs team.....alittle tweak

[Ice009]

We need a blockbuster trade and RJ has to be in it.

[easy7]

I am beginning to think if we get Lebron that it will not help this team and the trade will only f-up Lebron's stats. :lmao

[024]

need trade, need it now. this team isn't going anywhere.

[HarlemHeat37]

It really isn't looking like Jefferson is going to fit here..he just has too many bad tendencies and doesn't have a strong mentality..Pop looked like he was going to kill him tonight..hopefully they're shopping him around, his contract is big and expires next year, so it could be of some worth..

[HarlemHeat37]

Another reason for a trade is that this team really needs a spark of some kind..

The chemistry is completely irrelevant at this point since this current team doesn't have it anyways..just get a player that will fit, hopefully the FO actually does their homework this time..

[objective]

RealGM's newswire has a story about 2 teams pursuing Acie Law, but they're both supposed to be eastern conference teams.

Maybe Law is the mystery point? He's not really a point, but hey, it's an unsubstantiated unrelated rumor.

[SouthTexasRancher]

We need a blockbuster trade and RJ has to be in it.

You got that right. And throw in Dice, Bogans, Bonner, and Finley. It looks like Mason is gone unless he was injured or sick. We could have used Mason in the 4th tonight so I'd say he is gone for sure. Right now SJax looks real good....covers a lot of bases for us...take over guy in the 4th and knows Pop's system. I'd take a straight up SJax for RJ in a heartbeat if the numbers worked. Course Larry Brown probably wouldn't like it the way SJax is playing.

[fusionjazzman72]

I hope RJ is gone

[timvp]

RealGM's newswire has a story about 2 teams pursuing Acie Law, but they're both supposed to be eastern conference teams.

Maybe Law is the mystery point? He's not really a point, but hey, it's an unsubstantiated unrelated rumor.

I'd rather they bring back Vaughn.

[MaNu4Tres]

RealGM's newswire has a story about 2 teams pursuing Acie Law, but they're both supposed to be eastern conference teams.

Maybe Law is the mystery point? He's not really a point, but hey, it's an unsubstantiated unrelated rumor.

Even if it was a related rumor, and Spurs happened to make a move for him he would be given the Haislip/ Mahimni role. Law's availability is irrelevant.

[Duncan2177]

RealGM's newswire has a story about 2 teams pursuing Acie Law, but they're both supposed to be eastern conference teams.

Maybe Law is the mystery point? He's not really a point, but hey, it's an unsubstantiated unrelated rumor.

The spurs need a defensive bigman.

[objective]

The spurs need a defensive bigman.

ahhhhhh

This is Pop's team remember?

6'3" Acie Law = small ball bruiser, ready for Gasol or Bynum, whichever has the guts to come get some.

:lol

[5in10]

Acie law and marvin Williams please

[Sean Cagney]

Acie law and marvin Williams please

Marvin Wiliams I wanted this summer! He would fit alot better than RJ, he is a good defender and a good role player and knows his role! RJ needs to be the man on a horrible team to get off!

I wanted Marvin for a while here, let it HAPPEN GOD PLEASE!!!!!

[Chieflion]

Acie law and marvin Williams please
You must be behind the times. They are not in the same team anymore.

[Rogue]

to get done a Jefferson for SJax trade the Bobcats would need to add another contract to match the income payroll, preferably the addition would be Diop. at least in viewpoints of Spurs fans Diop isn't as bad as what he truly is.

Desagana "Bill Russell" Diop, sons.

[5in10]

Acie laws on the bobcats shit I forgot!

[MaNu4Tres]

Some realistic deals that would improve the Spurs IMO:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjlh3dv

Throw in Splitter and a 1st round pick.
( Sixers shed 12 million off their cap this summer and 15 million next summer as they look to rebuild. They also get a top European prospect and a 1st round pick.)


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhvu2ae

Throw in Splitter or a 1st round pick.

(Spurs get their defensive big man and get a cheap capable Bowen replacement.)


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yj6yv2d

(Reddick and Barnes play of late has made Pietrus' 5 million dollar contract really expendable. Especially since he has another 3 years on his deal.)
( Spurs get Bruno's second cousin that can take over the Mason/ Bogans/ Finley combined minutes and can play both ends of the floor much better than the 3 stooges listed above.)



http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykt3esa

Throw in a 1st round pick.

( Nets shed another 5-6 million in cap space for the big free agent market this offseason and get a 1st round pick) ( Spurs get Courtney Lee to steal Mason/Bogans/ Finley's combined minutes for this year and many years to come on a cheap rookie scale contract. Good insurance to have if Manu bails next year, since R.J and Hairston are the only wings that are signed on for next year.) ( Dooling would only be in the deal to balance the trade because of the year left on his contract after this year.)

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm down for all of those, although I don't think Orlando moves Pietrus for cap relief, they're surprisingly not too salary-conscious(the actual players wouldn't help, since Reddick plays a big role and he's better than both Mason and Finley)..

[MaNu4Tres]

I'm down for all of those, although I don't think Orlando moves Pietrus for cap relief, they're surprisingly not too salary-conscious(the actual players wouldn't help, since Reddick plays a big role and he's better than both Mason and Finley)..

That was one I was iffy about, but Reddick and Barnes have been seeing more time as of late. With Pietrus having 3 more years left on his deal, he may become expendable at the right price. But you are right Orlando's owner Rich DeVos could care less about cap relief.

[5in10]

wouldnt mind this one either http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylc7gc4

[HarlemHeat37]

If we get that Philly deal or the Washington deal, I would shed a tear..

Iguodala on Dallas would be disgusting though, I don't want to see that..well, unless they play the Lakers in the playoffs, but otherwise, no..

[HarlemHeat37]

I love Mbah a Moute, but Milwaukee isn't going to salary dump him my friend..he's a future player and he's on a cheap prospect..you also combined him with an expiring in Ridnour, so they have no reason to do the trade homie..

[MaNu4Tres]

If we get that Philly deal or the Washington deal, I would shed a tear..

Iguodala on Dallas would be disgusting though, I don't want to see that..well, unless they play the Lakers in the playoffs, but otherwise, no..

I'd really like that New Jersey trade too. It would help us this year and in the future.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'm not talking about Dooling BTW.

[Rogue]

If we get that Philly deal or the Washington deal, I would shed a tear..

Iguodala on Dallas would be disgusting though, I don't want to see that..well, unless they play the Lakers in the playoffs, but otherwise, no..
get a pair of dry pants and check my sig son.

[Bruno]

FYI, Dooling 2010-2011 salary is only $500K guaranteed.

[5in10]

Good points, maybe they'll do bc they raped our cap space with stupid rj ,and do us a favor...on a serious note I think if we hadn't traded for him our team would be better off right now and big 3+gh3 and blair would get more touches...

[Blackjack]

Some realistic deals that would improve the Spurs IMO:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjlh3dv

Throw in Splitter and a 1st round pick.
( Sixers shed 12 million off their cap this summer and 15 million next summer as they look to rebuild. They also get a top European prospect and a 1st round pick.)


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhvu2ae

Throw in Splitter or a 1st round pick.

(Spurs get their defensive big man and get a cheap capable Bowen replacement.)


MaNu4Tres...

http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/bworm.jpg

Don't you play with my emotions.

[MaNu4Tres]

FYI, Dooling 2010-2011 salary is only $500K guaranteed.

In that case, the trade for Lee wouldn't work. They don't have any other contract that would balance out a Lee to the Spurs deal for expirings and a pick.

Thanks Bruno.

[Chieflion]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yfslpmp (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfslpmp)

Son, I am going all in on this.

Spurs get: Blatche, Stevenson, Haywood, Foye, Butler
Wizards get: Jefferson, Bonner, Mason, Finley

[timvp]

I still think a deal involving RMJ and Bell is most likely what is "close".

[Bruno]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yfslpmp (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfslpmp)

Son, I am going all in on this.

Spurs get: Blatche, Stevenson, Haywood, Foye, Butler
Wizards get: Jefferson, Bonner, Mason, Finley

If your goal is to propose the most unrealistic trade possible, congrats, you're close. :tu

[MaNu4Tres]

MaNu4Tres...



The main reason why Spurs make that trade is to bring in their defensive big man.

I've been following McGuire since his rookie season and I've always thought the guy has potential. Maybe not a capable plug in right now. But for the future even if his deal is up after this year. Spurs can sign him to a Hairston/ Blair like deal if he shows Pop and R.C that he's capable.

[raspsa]

Juwan Howard can still play apparently.

[Bruno]

And since we're in the "what I would like to see" area, I think Camby is the best realistic target for Spurs. Spurs will play against Clippers this Saturday, it's time to talk...

[MaNu4Tres]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzbzgtc

Would you L.J?

[timvp]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzbzgtc

Would you L.J?

Yes. Turiaf has been pretty bad this year but his contract isn't that horrible and his skillset and characteristics fit right in (good shotblocker, good passer, has a jumpshot, good guy, team oriented).

[bless1187]

i have no confidence in this team bringing a star.... seriously lets says we bring a A. Iguoudola, i bet he's just gonna struggle like RJ since they are prolly gonna plant him in the corner and have him play the role of a M. FInley or B. Bowen.

[MaNu4Tres]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjjb46d

Throw in Splitter and/or a 1st round pick

[Blackjack]

The main reason why Spurs make that trade is to bring in their defensive big man.

I've been following McGuire since his rookie season and I've always thought the guy has potential. Maybe not a capable plug in right now. But for the future even if his deal is up after this year. Spurs can sign him to a Hairston/ Blair like deal if he shows Pop and R.C that he's capable.

I highlighted the McGuire part because most would just assume him a thrown-in or afterthought; I'm the resident McGuire honk and have lamented the Marcus Williams selection since the day they made it.

The first trade is actually my favorite one of the bunch I've come across; you get a much better fit in Iggy with his all-around game and defensive prowess and a legitimate deterrent at the rim. But I don't think they bite unless Tony's involved, which would be a HUGE gamble on the Spurs' end and would most likely end badly. (I'd do backflips or some seriously extreme yoga poses if they'd take RJ; he's not championship timber. Period.)

I'm not as high on Haywood as most, as I think he'd find his ass on the bench much too often now that Tim's slowed and not capable of getting out on the perimeter, but he'd help when the Lakers go jumbo or they face others that'll throw out two traditional 7-footers; there's no long commitment with his expiring contract, as well.

Neither will happen, though.

http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/bworm.jpg

So don't play with my emotions. :hat

[timvp]

And since we're in the "what I would like to see" area, I think Camby is the best realistic target for Spurs. Spurs will play against Clippers this Saturday, it's time to talk...

Camby has to be one of the likeliest targets since the Spurs supposedly wanted him more than anyone else last year at the trade deadline. But it'll be difficult because last year's deal was built around George Hill going to the Clippers. This year, there's no way the Spurs include Hill in a deal for Camby.

Or at least I hope not.

[MaNu4Tres]

i have no confidence in this team bringing a star.... seriously lets says we bring a A. Iguoudola, i bet he's just gonna struggle like RJ since they are prolly gonna plant him in the corner and have him play the role of a M. FInley or B. Bowen.

R.J has had 5 months to make the most out of his touches. He simply can't create off the dribble. The only thing he does when he gets his touches is throw up an inconsistent jab-step jumper that usually hits the front of the rim becomes he fades away on every shot. Whether if he's open or contested.

Jefferson has poor footwork offensively and tends to pick up his dribble way too far away from the basket and takes long lethargic strides that are anything but strong.

Spurs don't throw him in the corner. The guy is just surprisingly limited with the ball in half-court sets.

[StoneBuddha]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjjb46d

Throw in Splitter and/or a 1st round pick

Throwing Splittler in seems a little too much for what could very well be a 3 month rental of Camby. For whatever reason (the hype, having someone on the team named Tiago), I want to hold onto him in almost all the different trade scenarios.

I want to win now but the the risk / reward of giving up on Splittler makes it seem sensible to hold onto him.

[blkroadrunners]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzbzgtc

Would you L.J?

This is probably the most likely scenario in my opinion.

[Blackjack]

When I heard the rumor (forward and a backup point) my initial thought was Turiaf and Watson. It'd take little more than Mason, Turiaf fits the mold and seems to have a good relationship with Tim and Watson's a throw-in that they do have some familiarity with.

As I said earlier in the thread, it'd be rather underwhelming (replace Watson with a healthy Bell and I'd be a little less underwhelmed) but I could see it happening.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'm not as high on Haywood as most, as I think he'd find his ass on the bench much too often now that Tim's slowed and not capable of getting out on the perimeter, but he'd help when the Lakers go jumbo or they face others that'll throw out two traditional 7-footers; there's no long commitment with his expiring contract, as well.



I'm not high on Haywood either ( but he's an upgrade over Bonner and fills a need), the better part of me knows Pop would play him 20-25 minutes at most which would make his impact less significant if such a deal happened.

He would be best used against the Lakers like you said. But the Spurs might not even get that far with their consistency problems on the perimeter as a group. I still think Hill playing 35-40 minutes a night is too much for him and I still believe Spurs need to bring in an upgrade at the wing position instead of the Mason/Bogans/Finley combination. This addition would also relieve R.J and Hill's minutes to a degree and steal R.J's minutes every other game.

[DesignatedT]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzbzgtc

Would you L.J?

i would also be down for this... bell and turiaf are both defensive minded players. the injury to bell doesnt help but it could be worth a shot and he could turn into that perimeter defender we so badly need. turiaf has been shitty but IMO that system is terrible for him. he is also a good shotblocker...and if it doesnt work out then who cares.

[Blackjack]

I'm not high on Haywood either, the better part of me knows Pop would play him 20-25 minutes at most which would make his impact less significant if such a deal happened.

He would be best used against the Lakers like you said. But the Spurs might not even get that far with their consistency problems on the perimeter as a group. I still think Hill playing 35-40 minutes a night is too much for him and I still believe Spurs need to bring in an upgrade at the wing position instead of the Mason/Bogans/Finley combination. This addition would also relieve R.J and Hill's minutes to a degree and steal R.J's minutes every other game.

Yeah, we've been on the same page as far as team needs. But I really don't think they can find all they need in a player or two; those needs were assuming the foundation was still sound and strong from their championship past. Sadly, they've lost too much in terms of intangibles and "corporate knowledge" in the supporting cast for them to truly get where they need to be.

They're just an ill-fitted team in regards to the positions and skillsets of their best, most productive, and-or needed players after the Big 3.

[HarlemHeat37]

I like Turiaf, but I'm just not in favor of getting Raja Bell at all..he just didn't impress me at all with Charlotte earlier in the season, he looked like he lost more than 1 step defensively..

It's tough to judge these potential trades though, since we don't know what all the realistic options are for the Spurs FO, and we don't know how they feel about the team compared to how us fans feel about it..

The Iggy trade is very, very unlikely IMO, but it would be a trade that would easily put us back into championship contention..that would qualify as a "blockbuster trade" though IMO, and I don't see the Spurs making a blockbuster..

Pop looked really disgusted with Jefferson tonight..they really have to believe that he just won't fit though, he's showing no progress with the team, his style just isn't going to mesh..I'd find it hard to believe that they aren't trying to shop him around, even though it would be difficult to move him..

[Bruno]

Camby has to be one of the likeliest targets since the Spurs supposedly wanted him more than anyone else last year at the trade deadline. But it'll be difficult because last year's deal was built around George Hill going to the Clippers. This year, there's no way the Spurs include Hill in a deal for Camby.

Or at least I hope not.

Agree, there is no way I would trade Hill for Camby.

Spurs offer should be Mason + Bonner + Mahinmi + 2010 first round pick for Camby. I don't know if it's enough but if it isn't, Spurs should go after someone else. With Spurs having a quite bad record this year, their first round pick is a little more attractive than usual.

[DesignatedT]

I like Turiaf, but I'm just not in favor of getting Raja Bell at all..he just didn't impress me at all with Charlotte earlier in the season, he looked like he lost more than 1 step defensively..

It's tough to judge these potential trades though, since we don't know what all the realistic options are for the Spurs FO, and we don't know how they feel about the team compared to how us fans feel about it..

The Iggy trade is very, very unlikely IMO, but it would be a trade that would easily put us back into championship contention..that would qualify as a "blockbuster trade" though IMO, and I don't see the Spurs making a blockbuster..

Pop looked really disgusted with Jefferson tonight..they really have to believe that he just won't fit though, he's showing no progress with the team, his style just isn't going to mesh..I'd find it hard to believe that they aren't trying to shop him around..

should be a very interesting couple weeks.... assuming we dont make a big splash and keep RJ... it will be a lot easier to unload him next season in the last year of his contract. maybe we take that into consideration...

whats going on with houston and mcgrady.... seriously unloading rj for mcgrady would be something i would consider lol. dont know how houston feels about tmac right now though

[024]

i forgot about turiaf. has he been injured or just buried on nelson's bench? he would be an excellent big to place next to duncan with his jumpshot, shotblocking, and post defense. i've even liked him on the lakers. his fire and endless energy can be contagious, just what the spurs need.

raja bell, i'm wary of because of his age and injuries. if it's a mason for bell straight up trade, then i say go for it. it's not like the spurs have anything to lose. expirings for turiaf and bell would be acceptable and might light a fire under the spurs defense again.

[HarlemHeat37]

Yahoo! Sports reported that before the Clippers relieved Mike Dunleavy of his coaching duties, they told other teams that they would keep Marcus Camby if they were contending for the playoffs, and they would move him if they were not.

[DesignatedT]

camby+butler for mason+bonner+ian

[timvp]

The bad thing about Camby is that if you thought the defensive rotations were slow now, they'd seem like lightening compared to Camby's rotations.

And that's if Camby decides to rotate.

[DesignatedT]

The bad thing about Camby is that if you thought the defensive rotations were slow now, they'd seem like lightening compared to Camby's rotations.

And that's if Camby decides to rotate.

something would need to change... go back to what we did with rasho and nazr... cant be any slower than that

[HarlemHeat37]

He's also a poor pick and roll defender and an inconsistent man defender..

I'm not a Camby fan, but I would accept him on the Spurs and he would be an instant upgrade..he wouldn't be one of my top choices though..I do agree that he's one of the most realistic and likely candidates for a Spurs trade though..

[HarlemHeat37]

It also looks like Joakim Noah is out for a few weeks, maybe longer, with PF, which can be a lingering injury, as we Spurs fans know..so looks like Tyrus Thomas probably won't be on the block anymore, at least not with any deal involving the Spurs..

[DesignatedT]

camby would help the defense out tremendously.... still think we would need a better perimeter defender as well... hows rasual butler? i know the dude is not strong but hes quick and very long.. like a george hill with an extra 5 inches.....

bad thing about going with camby and 2 bigs like duncan and camby is it will ultimately slow this offense down to virtually how it used to be.... a lot more halfcourt sets....

[mountainballer]

When I heard the rumor (forward and a backup point) my initial thought was Turiaf and Watson. It'd take little more than Mason, Turiaf fits the mold and seems to have a good relationship with Tim and Watson's a throw-in that they do have some familiarity with.

As I said earlier in the thread, it'd be rather underwhelming (replace Watson with a healthy Bell and I'd be a little less underwhelmed) but I could see it happening.

didn't think of that, but yes, this one really make a lot of sense. I almost love it.
I wouldn't call Watson a trow in tough, I would think he is the cornerstone of the trade. he would in fact make a lot of sense for the Spurs in the current situation.
I think the story goes like this:
Spurs inquire about the price for Watson, Warriors answer is to also take Turiaf back for an expiring contract (maybe also a pick?), Spurs can offer a perfect package in Mason and Ratliff (or Ian, whatever they prefer)
Turiaf isn't a very good player, for sure overrated as defender, but he is an upgrade over Ratliff.
overall this trade isn't the big one, that takes us to the next level (which I still hope to happen), but it's a nice little trade with some upside and without give up much.
Watson would in fact be a very interesting addition. the guy has always been a bit underrated.