Official Trade Deadline Speculation Thread

[TD 21]

If this has been posted yet, I haven't seen it...

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/david_aldridge/02/08/morning.tip/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

• Why San Antonio would be looking at Tyrus Thomas. Utah has bludgeoned the Spurs in the paint this season, averaging an incredible 51 points in the paint per game and shooting 49.8 percent overall from the floor. The Spurs would also love to add Thomas's defensive length to their aging, non-athletic roster, though it's not a certainty that San Antonio would go that route again after middling results from bringing in Drew Gooden last winter.

[MaNu4Tres]

So you are saying that if the Spurs wanted to trade him that is no problem and it could be done this season.


I would have thought that it is near impossible to trade him because no one would want him even if the contract is short. 14 million is a lot for a player that doesn't produce much.

Teams would trade for him for his expiring contract next year, more so than his ability.

[Ice009]

Teams would trade for him for his expiring contract next year, more so than his ability.

What has this post got to do with anything. You don't think I know next season would be easier.

I am talking about this season. Bruno seems to think it can be done easily this season. I don't.

[DPG21920]

I can't see the Spurs taking on a long contract to get rid of RJ's.

[Dro210]

If this has been posted yet, I haven't seen it...

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/david_aldridge/02/08/morning.tip/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

• Why San Antonio would be looking at Tyrus Thomas. Utah has bludgeoned the Spurs in the paint this season, averaging an incredible 51 points in the paint per game and shooting 49.8 percent overall from the floor. The Spurs would also love to add Thomas's defensive length to their aging, non-athletic roster, though it's not a certainty that San Antonio would go that route again after middling results from bringing in Drew Gooden last winter.

lol.... Drew Gooden and Tyrus Thomas' athleticism is not comparable.

[Bruno]

If this has been posted yet, I haven't seen it...

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/david_aldridge/02/08/morning.tip/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

• Why San Antonio would be looking at Tyrus Thomas. Utah has bludgeoned the Spurs in the paint this season, averaging an incredible 51 points in the paint per game and shooting 49.8 percent overall from the floor. The Spurs would also love to add Thomas's defensive length to their aging, non-athletic roster, though it's not a certainty that San Antonio would go that route again after middling results from bringing in Drew Gooden last winter.

Interesting.
Spurs were also said to be interested in Thomas a couple of years ago.

[MaNu4Tres]

I think you are wrong on all points. But there is no changing your mind or mine at this point.

Not to mention R.J is horrible in the pick and roll with the ball. Another thing Salmons has over him.

[TD 21]

lol.... Drew Gooden and Tyrus Thomas' athleticism is not comparable.

Yeah, I know. Gooden isn't overly athletic and is as as good as he's ever going to be. Thomas is a top 10 (maybe even 5) athlete in the league and could eventually turn himself into a versatile, lock down defender (a better version of Martin).

I figured, after some deliberation, that this was who the Kings announcer was talking about. The way I see it, it's a low risk/high reward type scenario, assuming all it costs the Spurs is Bonner/Finley or Mason (I'd prefer it be Finley, who'd likely get bought out and re-sign anyway).


Interesting.
Spurs were also said to be interested in Thomas a couple of years ago.

I remember hearing that. It makes sense, since Pop is clearly loathe to play Ratliff (mainly with Blair because of the lack of shooting) and a Blair/Bonner duo will not get it done against anybody defensively.

[MaNu4Tres]

What has this post got to do with anything. You don't think I know next season would be easier.

I am talking about this season. Bruno seems to think it can be done easily this season. I don't.

It can be done. Teams that have a long contract and are in rebuilding mode would be willing to trade that long contract for Jefferson's expiring next year. They would be willing to pay his 15 million next year to save more money in the long run. IE Brands deal or even Igoudala's if the deal is right.

Or even a situation in Golden State where they have Maggete's contract for 4 more years and are a lottery team. They would probably consider a Maggette/Bell deal for Jefferson, since RJ's expires next year.

[Ice009]

It can be done. Teams that have a long contract and are in rebuilding mode would be willing to trade that long contract for Jefferson's expiring next year. They would be willing to pay his 15 million next year to save more money in the long run. IE Brands deal or even Igoudala's if the deal is right.

Or even a situation in Golden State where they have Maggete's contract for 4 more years and are a lottery team. They would probably consider a Maggette/Bell deal for Jefferson, since RJ's expires next year.

So the Spurs are the ones balking then? They don't want to take on a contract that is longer than RJ's?

Do you think the Spurs are trying to trade him this season, right now?

[MaNu4Tres]

So the Spurs are the ones balking then? They don't want to take on a contract that is longer than RJ's?

Do you think the Spurs are trying to trade him this season, right now?

The only long contract I think Spurs would consider for Jefferson's is Igoudala's, maybe Maggette's. That's if Holt approves, which is unlikely.

Spurs are probably fielding offer's for everyone not named Duncan. That's part of their job.

[lotr1trekkie]

The road to the finals leads through LA. If Hill is the #2 then we do need a backup PG. Since Ian is obviously a playable big we need one. Someone to bang with Bynum. Blair is great but not the answer. Ther Spurs need to roll the dice again or we will be gone again in round one.

[TimDunkem]

RJ is known for at least being a "character" guy. I don't think Salmons is.
Are you serious? Salmons is always humble and often thanks God in post-game interviews showing that he's a deeply religious man. He's a class act, especially with the way he presents himself. I'm not sure what would make you think otherwise? His stoic look? The goatee? :lol

I've read some good things about him too. Here's an article aptly named, "The Class of John Salmons".

http://www.nba.com/kings/features/class_of_john_salmons.html



What about when RJ and Kenyon Martin laughed at Alonzo Mourning when he was ailing in practice because of his kidneys? :wakeup

[Dro210]

Yea, I wouldn't necessarily label RJ a 'character' guy.... he doesn't cause problems, but he's hardly led a role model lifestyle.

[timvp]

Thomas and Salmons or Thomas and Pargo makes sense. All three of those players have been on the Spurs' radar in the past. I doubt either trade makes the Spurs much better this season but I like Thomas as a long-term project. Salmons is a hot or cold player but when he's hot, he can go on tear for a couple of months.

[ElNono]

thomas and pargo makes sense.

+1

[HarlemHeat37]

Thomas-Pargo is fine with me..

I believe Thomas can help us this season, he fills a need and would be the main dimension that we're missing from our defensive frontcourt..we're missing a guy that can guard the mid-range bigs and we're missing a guy to help Duncan block shots..he's also an energy player, which is something we don't have and desperately need..energy is contagious, blocked shots obviously help lead to transition points..

I think he would be able to give us 20MPG in the playoffs, and he already has playoff experience in a high-pressure series, so that's good..

If this trade happens, we're really gonna need RJ to show some form of defense and ability to create for himself..

[timvp]

I once asked a Spurs scout who he thought was the most underrated player in the NBA. His answer: Caron Butler. He said if Butler was ever in a situation where he played in an unselfish offense, that he could become a superstar. It should be noted that this was two years ago but with Butler rumored to be traded any day now, it has me wondering if the Spurs could be in the mix.

Butler's game seems to have really fallen off this year and he might not even be as good as RJ ... but perhaps the Spurs see it as a problem with the system and not the player. Personally, I don't think Butler is worth what it'd take to get him (assuming it's expirings + assets).

[HarlemHeat37]

I would like Butler if Jefferson wasn't on the team..Butler is better than him, but acquiring him would pretty much make Jefferson even more useless than he is now..

I watched Butler's game vs. Orlando a few days ago, it was unbelievable..29 points in the 2nd half and made the GW J with 0.5 seconds left..he's stepped it up hard after his poor start..his D has been average though, which wasn't the case a few years ago..

[Sean Cagney]

How about nobody for nobody lol, thats what it looks like and this thread is a bunch of what some want and what ifs thought of in fans minds! I am dying to see something realy, but nothing positive yet on the trade scene being said :(

[xtremesteven33]

I once asked a Spurs scout who he thought was the most underrated player in the NBA. His answer: Caron Butler. He said if Butler was ever in a situation where he played in an unselfish offense, that he could become a superstar. It should be noted that this was two years ago but with Butler rumored to be traded any day now, it has me wondering if the Spurs could be in the mix.

Butler's game seems to have really fallen off this year and he might not even be as good as RJ ... but perhaps the Spurs see it as a problem with the system and not the player. Personally, I don't think Butler is worth what it'd take to get him (assuming it's expirings + assets).


I added Butler to my NBA2k10 spurs team.

Damn he was good.

[TimDunkem]

How about nobody for nobody lol, thats what it looks like and this thread is a bunch of what some want and what ifs thought of in fans minds!
I'm pretty sure I read someone admit that already. Don't get your hopes up when you click this thread...

[Sean Cagney]

I'm pretty sure I read someone admit that already. Don't get your hopes up when you click this thread...
No but at the beginning during the Kings name they got some peoples hopes up alot by even saying that last week :( I heard it too and said yes they are close and came in here to respond to the thread. It seems close meant next year man :lol:lol

[MaNu4Tres]

No but at the beginning during the Kings name they got some peoples hopes up alot by even saying that last week :( I heard it too and said yes they are close and came in here to respond to the thread. It seems close meant next year man :lol:lol

You have my vote for poster of the year.

[TD 21]

I once asked a Spurs scout who he thought was the most underrated player in the NBA. His answer: Caron Butler. He said if Butler was ever in a situation where he played in an unselfish offense, that he could become a superstar. It should be noted that this was two years ago but with Butler rumored to be traded any day now, it has me wondering if the Spurs could be in the mix.

Butler's game seems to have really fallen off this year and he might not even be as good as RJ ... but perhaps the Spurs see it as a problem with the system and not the player. Personally, I don't think Butler is worth what it'd take to get him (assuming it's expirings + assets).

You have that type of access? Any word on any trade speculation?

A year or two ago, I'd have put Butler right up there for most underrated. He was probably the fourth best SF in the league, but he seems to have fallen into the Jefferson class. He's still better than him and could probably turn it around elsewhere, but it's not going to be with the Spurs because, the Spurs don't have what the Wizards are supposedly looking for. They're not just going to give him away for three small expiring contracts and a first round pick likely to be in the low twenties.

[HarlemHeat37]

Just please trade Jefferson..I don't really care what we get in return..

[MaNu4Tres]

Just please trade Jefferson..I don't really care what we get in return..

No we need him playing 38 minutes a night to have a shot this year.

[tp2021]

My god RJ sucks.

[Ice009]

Make a trade

any fucking trade.

[Blackjack]

If they aren't going to trade RJ, they better get him a dog...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If they aren't going to trade RJ, they better help him find his pair...

[Blackjack]

That's what the dog was for.;)

[HarlemHeat37]

Well, a minor trade isn't going to solve anything..

Jefferson HAS to go..that's the only hope we have to even make the 2nd or 3rd round IMO..

[Ice009]

Make a trade tonight please.

[MaNu4Tres]

Why does this team settle for so many damn jumpers against good teams. LONG JUMPERS with 10-15 on the clock.

We have Tim Duncan.

I don't understand it.

[Chieflion]

Who says no?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygmcbkn
Deal! I couldn't care less.

[benefactor]

:tu

[Blackjack]

Who says no?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygmcbkn

Peter Holt.

[benefactor]

Just salary dump RJ. Straight expirings.

[Ice009]

Even Barkley just said "THEY GOT TO MAKE A TRADE".

[MaNu4Tres]

At this point I'd be willing to trade Jefferson for expirings.

[MaNu4Tres]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfs82xj

[Blackjack]

Would Tebow have re-thought his pro-life stance if RJ played for his favorite team?

[MaNu4Tres]

True... Damn. I feel bad for the guy man,

If he approves and every other team does how about this crazy 4 team-15 player trade?

I don't care right now. We might just need to blow this team up for first round draft picks.

Don't feel bad for the guy.

He had a chance to do this 4-5 years ago. When Duncan Parker and Manu were at the top of their game.

But he didn't. He waited til the league caught up and waited til Manu and Tim were limping up and down the court.

If he would have done this 5 years ago. Spurs would have probably 3 peated at least.

[Spursfanfromafar]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfs82xj

Yeah.. you caught on ..at last :)

[HarlemHeat37]

Don't feel bad for the guy.

He had a chance to do this 4-5 years ago. When Duncan Parker and Manu were at the top of their game.

But he didn't. He waited til the league caught up and waited til Manu and Tim were limping up and down the court.

If he would have done this 5 years ago. Spurs would have probably 3 peated at least.

+1..exactly how I feel..fuck Peter Holt..



This is sad because we're gonna have to give up Splitter and a 1st round pick to move RJ IMO..if we don't, the team is pretty much giving up on the season IMO..

[MaNu4Tres]

Yeah.. you caught on ..at last :)

I don't think Clippers would do it. It was a spontaneous post.

Spurs should get rid of Jefferson's contract and try to get expirings in return.

Bogans can provide what he is providing.

[Blackjack]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfs82xj

Sure. Why not?

They should probably be doing everything in their power to get back in the Bosh sweepstakes (not that I overrate him like most).

[Spursfanfromafar]

I don't think Clippers would do it. It was a spontaneous post.

Spurs should get rid of Jefferson's contract and try to get expirings in return.

Bogans can provide what he is providing.

Agree completely.. Except Bogans has been Bogus as well. Hairston would have provided better than Bogans in the last few games' stretch.

The Spurs have to do something by trade deadline.. The "logic" that doing nothing is better as anything else would mean trying to integrate yet another fresh set of players into the "system" seems bogus. The Big Three needs help. Get a defensive big, and a decent swingman who can defend and make shots unlike Richard "Lost" Jefferson.

[MaNu4Tres]

Send Manu and Theo Ratliff to Cleveland for Big Z's expiring contract, JJ Hickson and a 1st round pick.

Send McDyess to Boston for Scalabrine expiring/ Sheldon Williams expiring and their 1st round pick

Trade Jefferson and Mason to Clippers for Camby's expiring and Rasual Butler's expiring.

Tell Duncan to go to Virgin Islands. Tell Parker to go lay low with Eva. Tell the media they broke their foot and would be out for the rest of the year.

Tank the rest of the season.

Use our new 3 first round picks wisely.

Bring Splitter over.

Go after Bosh with the 20 million of cap space we have.



What do you think?

[Fpoonsie]

Would Tebow have re-thought his pro-life stance if RJ played for his favorite team?

:rollin

[Dro210]

What do yall think of this... Ray Allen and Marquis Daniels for Jefferson and Mason, maybe throw in Mahinmi if we need to...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yk5uupa

Celtics seem to want to get younger, they could do that with RJ. Mason makes up for some of the 3's they lose, but maybe he's too much like Eddie House?

Ray's shot would be so money here. Daniels has a nice game, and would be our top perimeter defender.

Doubt the Celtics would do it tho.

[MaNu4Tres]

What do yall think of this... Ray Allen and Marquis Daniels for Jefferson and Mason, maybe throw in Mahinmi if we need to...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yk5uupa

Celtics seem to want to get younger, they could do that with RJ. Mason makes up for some of the 3's they lose, but maybe he's too much like Eddie House?

Ray's shot would be so money here. Daniels has a nice game, and would be our top perimeter defender.

Doubt the Celtics would do it tho.

Only way Celtics would consider it is if Ray Allen had 5 more years left on his contract. That's not the case.

[jiggy_55]

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/19986881?source=rss_blogs_NBA

Don't really know this source, but he claims the Spurs and Nuggets are "intrigued by Thomas". Here's the quote:

"• Tyrus Thomas isn’t as big a name as Stoudemire, but league sources agree he’s far more likely to be dealt by Feb. 18 – if not sooner. One person familiar with the situation said it would be surprising if the Thomas situation stretched into next week after his recent dustup with coach Vinny Del Negro over losing his starting job to rookie Taj Gibson. Sources say the Bulls would prefer to package Thomas in a bigger deal that would clear cap space for a major free agent signing -- such as a scenario detailed here involving the Celtics’ Ray Allen. Short of that, the Bulls would be eager to unload Thomas in a smaller deal that would bring back less significant assets that could be used to surround and entice a marquee free agent. Two Western Conference teams intrigued by Thomas are the Nuggets, patiently seeking a big man to contend with the Lakers, and the Spurs, who were characterized by two rival executives as desperate to acquire an athletic big man. “They feel like they have to do something, like they’re behind the eight ball a little bit,” one of the execs said. The Spurs have a full complement of expiring contracts that would intrigue the Bulls, who want to avoid losing a significant player with no compensation (see Ben Gordon) for the second straight summer. The Spurs, who dipped their toe across the luxury tax line this season, will have to decide before the end of their annual circus road trip – which continued Monday night against the Lakers – what they’re willing to give up to see that investment pay off."

[ElNono]

I have my mind set that we're going to stand pat. I think Pop is too stubborn and is going to keep on trying to fit this roster into his system. Like a square peg in a round hole. Like sticking with small ball and outright murdering the defense.

Hope I'm wrong.

[jiggy_55]

And to be honest, I have to agree with what's been said. I can't see us doing any damage this season at all without a major shakeup. Even with one, we're no where near any title contender. I don't care what the trade is, we need some new young blood here as this years experiment is over with. If we can have the opportunity to get Thomas with Salmons/Hinrich for some expiring contracts, I say that trade is a must.

All I know is the FO must pull the trigger on some deal, we have too many good contracts to not be able to get something out of this trade deadline.

EDIT: And until Tim Duncan retires, there is no option but to look for trade opportunities and try to get better. When the Duncan era is over with, that will be the time to rebuild. We can still have a very good team for the coming seasons, but Coach Pop has to get his head out of his ass.

[Dro210]

I'd love this trade too.....

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzozn9s


Rather have Augustine than Law, but I think Law makes it more realistic, and he wouldn't be bad either.

[Big P]

What bothers me the most (besides jefferson) is that these seems to be no sense of urgency or the players not caring so much...I'm not used to seein Spurs teams with that demeanor.

[SpurNation]

RJ for McGrady. I'm willing to bet T-Mac would play better.

I'm good with that if the Rockets are. T-Mac for a third of a season? Could make a difference. It couldn't hurt.

[ElNono]

T-Mac is a 23 Million expiring... not gonna happen...

[8FOR!3]

Heh, I used that trade machine and it accepted Richard Jefferson for Chris Kaman and Eric Gordon. hmm

[MaNu4Tres]

Heh, I used that trade machine and it accepted Richard Jefferson for Chris Kaman and Eric Gordon. hmm

Jefferson for LeBron works too.

[8FOR!3]

Jefferson for LeBron works too.

lol really? That probably wouldn't even work in NBA Live.

[Johnny RIngo]

No trade is going to fix this team as long as our coach is acting like a dumbass. Fact is that Popovich lost the plot sometime around 2008. He's no longer among the elite coaches in the NBA. Never thought I'd see the day when guys like Rick Adelman and Stan Van Gundy would like more suitable options to coach this team.

[Bruno]

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/19986881?source=rss_blogs_NBA

Don't really know this source, but he claims the Spurs and Nuggets are "intrigued by Thomas". Here's the quote:

"• Tyrus Thomas isn’t as big a name as Stoudemire, but league sources agree he’s far more likely to be dealt by Feb. 18 – if not sooner. One person familiar with the situation said it would be surprising if the Thomas situation stretched into next week after his recent dustup with coach Vinny Del Negro over losing his starting job to rookie Taj Gibson. Sources say the Bulls would prefer to package Thomas in a bigger deal that would clear cap space for a major free agent signing -- such as a scenario detailed here involving the Celtics’ Ray Allen. Short of that, the Bulls would be eager to unload Thomas in a smaller deal that would bring back less significant assets that could be used to surround and entice a marquee free agent. Two Western Conference teams intrigued by Thomas are the Nuggets, patiently seeking a big man to contend with the Lakers, and the Spurs, who were characterized by two rival executives as desperate to acquire an athletic big man. “They feel like they have to do something, like they’re behind the eight ball a little bit,” one of the execs said. The Spurs have a full complement of expiring contracts that would intrigue the Bulls, who want to avoid losing a significant player with no compensation (see Ben Gordon) for the second straight summer. The Spurs, who dipped their toe across the luxury tax line this season, will have to decide before the end of their annual circus road trip – which continued Monday night against the Lakers – what they’re willing to give up to see that investment pay off."

More and more sources are confirming this interest from Spurs in Thomas... Interesting.

[Brazil]

More and more sources are confirming this interest from Spurs in Thomas... Interesting.

I'd love to see this kind of move, he could be what we need a shot blokers who rebound well and without being a liability in Offense.

Now I'm not sure it's a good idea with 2009/2010 Pop. The guy is difficult to handle, he creates locker room trouble, has no disciplined game, his ball handling skills are near 0 and transition Defense when he thinks about which is not often.

With all the chemistry issues we have and a senile coach it would be a disaster IMHO if not for preparing the future.

[Bruno]

I'd love to see this kind of move, he could be what we need a shot blokers who rebound well and without being a liability in Offense.

Now I'm not sure it's a good idea with 2009/2010 Pop. The guy is difficult to handle, he creates locker room trouble, has no disciplined game, his ball handling skills are near 0 and transition Defense when he thinks about which is not often.

With all the chemistry issues we have and a senile coach it would be a disaster IMHO if not for preparing the future.

Well, if it takes Bonner+Mahinmi to get Thomas, it's not like Spurs are losing something. And after all that happens with Thomas, it should be enough to get him (Bonner with his shooting could help Bulls).

If Spurs can't find a quality big in the trade market, giving a shot to Thomas can't hurt them.

[lefty]

I like Thomas

That guy is all over the place

Dunks, rbds, blocks

[Chomag]

Honestly, even if spurs did trade for Thomas I think Pop would just give him the Gooden treatment.

He would just sit on the bench watching Finley out there trying to do his job.:lol

[objective]

Honestly, even if spurs did trade for Thomas I think Pop would just give him the Gooden treatment.

He would just sit on the bench watching Finley out there trying to do his job.:lol

No doubt.

[duncan228]

On the Block: Amare Stoudemire, Suns (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=tsn-ontheblockamarestoud&prov=tsn&type=lgns)
SportingNews

With the Feb. 18 trading deadline approaching, Sporting News’ Sean Deveney assesses the latest player rumors. Today’s player on the spot: Suns power forward Amare Stoudemire.

The facts: For the second straight year, the trade deadline is approaching, and Stoudemire is the talk of the league. His ability has never been questioned, and he is averaging 21.2 points, but his commitment to defense and rebounding has long been a sore spot for the Suns.

Bait needed: The Suns won’t give Stoudemire away for nothing. At the very least, they can hold on to him, hope that he opts out of his contract this summer and be left with a pretty good chunk of cap space to use on another player. If the Suns are to make a deal, it will be for young talent.

Welcome mat: The Suns would very much like to deal Stoudemire to Philadelphia for former Arizona star Andre Iguodala, but sources say that the Sixers aren’t interested in pairing Stoudemire and Elton Brand—which led to a rumor involving a deal that would land Stoudemire in Detroit, as part of a three-team deal. The Warriors have long sought Stoudemire but have not pulled the trigger on a deal.

Logic test: Trading Stoudemire is complicated. First off, he is not necessarily an expiring contract. He has a player option worth $17.7 million next year and could, much as Carlos Boozer did last summer, choose not to opt out. Then, any team that can put together a package of young players for the Suns would have to be certain that Stoudemire would be willing to sign a long-term extension—that’s why Golden State has not gotten a deal done. Finally, the Suns have actually played very well lately, and rather than sending Stoudemire away, they could be looking to see how far this group can go.

So they say: “You know what you are getting with him. He can score. He can run the pick-and-roll. But, he has had injury trouble, and you know he is not going to max out his effort, and that’s why you have to be afraid to deal for him and give him a big contract.” — a Western Conference scout on Stoudemire

Bottom line: There will be a lot of Stoudemire talk at this weekend’s All-Star Game. But in all likelihood, he will stay in Phoenix.

[JR3]

Honestly, even if spurs did trade for Thomas I think Pop would just give him the Gooden treatment.

He would just sit on the bench watching Finley out there trying to do his job.:lol

I started laughing too until i realized the solid truth behind it.

[duncan228]

Tyrus Thomas can be yours (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Tyrus-Thomas-can-be-yours;_ylt=AvEn2z2rUVzaOTKP6zJhnnG8vLYF?urn=nba,21 8576)
By Kelly Dwyer

Spelling Jameer Nelson on Sunday, Jason Williams tallied six points in 12 minutes, making both his shots and both of his free throw attempts, adding two dimes while declining to turn the ball over.

A couple of weeks ago, I championed the idea of Zach Randolph making the All-Star team. He eventually did make the All-Star team, a move that most of you, I'm sure, are cool with.

Also, at some point this month, Tyrus Thomas will likely be traded from the Chicago Bulls.

Chicago had long ago decided not to re-sign the fourth-year forward, and they'll be looking to dump his expiring contract on another team for other expiring deals, looking fully forward to the free agent class of 2010.

These three players are the same guy, you know. The guy's a bit of a lout, a knucklehead; someone who will never get it. Until they do get it, of course.

Jason Williams? He used to look off Peja Stojakovic behind the arc and Chris Webber on the trail in order to take a 30-footer from the elbow extended. It wasn't because he was selfish - he also used to force passes where they didn't belong when a stretch lay-up would have worked - but it definitely was because J-Will didn't quite "get it" at a level that most of us would have preferred.

At some point in 2003-04, under the tutelage of Hubie Brown, Williams suddenly decided to place himself amongst the tops in the league at assist-to-turnover ratio. He shot when appropriate. He still used a bit of flash, but he also bounce-passed and made the right move. It continues to this day. Williams turned 34 last September, and despite his advancing years, he actually seems to drive more in 2009-10 than he did in 1999-00.

Randolph? His statistics are right along the lines of his career averages, but he's not taking an entire team out of its offense in order to create this sort of production. He's not holding the ball after grabbing a defensive rebound in order to influence the point guard to slow the pace down. He's not endlessly staying in that triple-threat position; a position every defender and their mother knew was only going to end up with one low-percentage "threat," a flat-footed mid-range jumper. Finally, Randolph is getting it.

Tyrus Thomas?

I can't think of a single player, with the possible exception of New York's David Lee, that has been jerked around more than Thomas. And I can't think of a single player, with no exception, that has acted like more of a prat than Tyrus. A nasty combination.

One doesn't lead to the other, but it doesn't help. Thomas was drafted as a project by the Bulls in 2006, but he was never treated like a project. Instead, he was treated like some four-year college starter that had been on CBS too many times to mention, and someone who was used to the grind. Thomas wasn't used to the grind. He was a basketball scrub until his late teens. He only had one year of slapping the backboards at LSU. He was ready, but he wasn't ready.

The Bulls not only acted as if he was ready, but he was also added to the Chicago roster at the start of Scott Skiles' weird passive-aggressive phase. When Skiles - who often seems like a perfect mix of the best qualities of Larry Brown and Don Nelson - started utilizing the worst qualities of Larry Brown and Don Nelson. The strange rotations. The stubbornness. The attention to obsession, rather than detail.

Thomas played less than a year and a half under Skiles, but it may have well been two years. Because Skiles was replaced on an interim basis by Jim Boylan, a pointless move in retrospect, because Boylan was Skiles' number two, and he promptly spent the entirety of his obviously-interim gig taking out Skiles' indirect frustrations with certain players out on the kids who had wronged Boylan's buddy the most.

So Thomas would leave the game, for long stretches, for no apparent reason. And, just as much, he would stay in the game for no apparent reason. Almost to a night, the good play would go unrewarded, and the bad play would go unacknowledged. How in the hell was this kid, this man, supposed to learn?

Left to his own devices, the project acted like - and I know you're shocked - a project. Until it was/is time for Chicago to write off another cheapo lottery pick, and take in the savings.

It didn't have to be like this. And, potential suitors? Thomas doesn't have to be like this.

You can make a deal, for a very tradeable contract that matches up with most MLE-salary structures, in its last year no less, and take in 30 games of inspired play. This league is so stupidly ridiculous that, of course, things always seem to flesh in the most obvious of ways. And the obvious expectation is that Thomas will be on a full "I'll show them" kick, and play exceedingly well once acquired by a team outside of Cook County.

He may not get it for good, in true Jason Williams-style, but he can do a team, a bench, a frontcourt rotation, good. He could work for the Spurs. He could work for a quite a few teams. Freed from the "figure it out on your own, kid"-clutches of the Chicago Bulls, for the rest of this year at least, it's an almost certainty.

Make that certainty your own, teams.

[Muser]

What kind of range does TT have?

[5in10]

He has an inconsistent jump shot from anywhere inside the three pointer. I think if Chip worked with him, it would definitely become consistent, thus improving his game drastically.

[TD 21]

If this team doesn't trade for Thomas at this point, then they deserve to lose. He's not entirely ideal (nothing they can realistically acquire is), but he possesses a lot of what they need and supposedly all they'd have to give up is Bonner and one of Mason or Finley.

An internal move I'd like to see is Hairston re-called and immediately put into the rotation. This team needs to start planning for next season and beyond and they need to find out what they've got in Hairston. Is he just a fringe player? Can he be a rotation player? Maybe even a stopper? A secondary defender to throw at top opposition wings?

It's time to find out because, Finley is more than likely going to retire after this season, Bogans isn't a long term answer to anything (Hairston is probably better right now than both), Mason, unfortunately, doesn't look like he'll be around past this season at the latest, Jefferson, by the '11 deadline is almost certain to be gone and Ginobili, as difficult as it is to say, is probably going to be gone in the off season. This teams wing situation currently and even more so going forward is a mess.

By next season, we should see a rotation featuring: Hill, Blair, Thomas, Splitter, potentially Hairston and/or the up coming 1st round pick, plus potentially a young, low cost pickup, such as Almond.

[pad300]

According to Ball Don't Lie

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Trading-Andre-Iguodala?urn=nba,218347#remaining-content

The possible Iggy-Stoudemire trade looks something like this

Iggy+Dalembert for Stoudemire and Richardson

SAS can top that for Philly:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhyfq2r

Why is this better for PHI? Amare either a) doesn't opt out, and makes PHI into a tax payer next year (and probably doesn't improve them a whole bunch) or b) does opt out and leaves. Richardson = Jefferson (and their contracts are really close), both are underperforming, and Richardson is getting fed by Steve Nash... SAS's offer saves PHI @ $5 Million + tax on this season, due to being closer in salary differential. It includes a prospect (Mahinmi) they might want to keep, and finally, actually improves their tanking (and therefore lottery odds). SAS likely would also be willing to include a 2010 1st round pick...

[marcflynn2009]

deal ginobili and jefferson for wadeeeee or bosh... face it spurs fans, we can do without jefferson and ginobili is always injured/not as explosive as he used to be

[venitian navigator]

Trades that works and could be good for the defense:

B. Wallace + K. Brown for RMJ

Nocioni for Ratliff, Finley, Bonner

[Muser]

The corpse of Ben Wallace and one of the worst big men in the league? Damn we must be desperate.

[venitian navigator]

Wallace is playng well, and Brown is still young and known for defense...considering we could still have Duncan, Mc Dyess and Blair that would be an improvement.

[DPG21920]

9 days.

[exstatic]

According to Ball Don't Lie

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Trading-Andre-Iguodala?urn=nba,218347#remaining-content

The possible Iggy-Stoudemire trade looks something like this

Iggy+Dalembert for Stoudemire and Richardson

SAS can top that for Philly:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhyfq2r

Why is this better for PHI? Amare either a) doesn't opt out, and makes PHI into a tax payer next year (and probably doesn't improve them a whole bunch) or b) does opt out and leaves. Richardson = Jefferson (and their contracts are really close), both are underperforming, and Richardson is getting fed by Steve Nash... SAS's offer saves PHI @ $5 Million + tax on this season, due to being closer in salary differential. It includes a prospect (Mahinmi) they might want to keep, and finally, actually improves their tanking (and therefore lottery odds). SAS likely would also be willing to include a 2010 1st round pick...

Dalembert is horrible, and Iggy is just good enough to keep a team out of the lottery. He's not a premium talent, but he's paid like one, and for 4 more years. Ugh. No thanks. After the lockout, you'll NEVER see a player like AI paid like this. By production, he's about an 8 million dollar player. Unfortunately, his salary tops out at close to double that in 2013/14.

[Rick Von Braun]

I've seen T. Thomas played at least 30 times in the last two years. He is a leaper and has length, all fantastic physical attributes for an NBA player.

However, he has ZERO basketball IQ, I repeat ZERO. I don't know if he is coachable or if he has the capacity to learn and adapt. If he can learn and become a basketball player, he would be a fantastic help for the Spurs frontcourt.

Nevertheless, I've seen him missing so many defensive rotations, forcing shots and just plain boneheaded plays it is not even funny.

Caveat emptor.

[pad300]

Dalembert is horrible, and Iggy is just good enough to keep a team out of the lottery. He's not a premium talent, but he's paid like one, and for 4 more years. Ugh. No thanks. After the lockout, you'll NEVER see a player like AI paid like this. By production, he's about an 8 million dollar player. Unfortunately, his salary tops out at close to double that in 2013/14.


1) The lockout is after 2 seasons (including this one). Those two seasons are likely the Spurs last 2 championship shots for a long time - It is extremely likely TD retires at the start of the lockout. SAS is in a must go for it position. Yeah, the 3 years after the lockout are going to suck. So what, we'll be rebuilding anyways...


2) Regarding talent, Iguolda and dalembert, this season. Jefferson for comparison
From www.dberri.wordpress.com
Player WP/48 PER
Mahinmi 0.338 17.2
Iguolda 0.234 17.7
Dalembert 0.232 16.8
Bonner 0.190 15.2
Jefferson 0.032 12
Mason 0.063 11.9
Finley 0.010 8.2



0.1 is theoretically an average player for WP/48. 15 is theoretically an average player for PER

Yes, Mahinmi is the statistical outlier from minimal playing time. Gee, which team wins the talent side of this, big time?

Consider a playoff rotation

Duncan (36), Dalembert (30), McDyess (30)
Iggy (36) Manu (30), Hill (18), Bogans (12)
Parker (36) Hill (12)

That could even be further shorted to eliminate Bogans (and likely would for the Lakers).

Iguolda would just be a MUCH better fit than Jefferson - Plays much more D, moves the ball much more (career ast% 19.4 vs 14.6), rebounds better. Has a lower usage rate, and would be much more comfortable as a 3ed option on the court.

Also, Dalembert and Iguolda have the 1st and 3d best defensive ratings on their teams. Jefferson is 12th on our squad (of the 15 players we have had this season).

[SenorSpur]

I've seen T. Thomas played at least 30 times in the last two years. He is a leaper and has length, all fantastic physical attributes for an NBA player.

However, he has ZERO basketball IQ, I repeat ZERO. I don't know if he is coachable or if he has the capacity to learn and adapt. If he can learn and become a basketball player, he would be a fantastic help for the Spurs frontcourt.

Nevertheless, I've seen him missing so many defensive rotations, forcing shots and just plain boneheaded plays it is not even funny.

Caveat emptor.

I've heard that about him. Actually, I'd rather have Taj Gibson instead and can understand why Thomas has been made expendable. However the Spurs, as currently constructed, aren't going anywhere with the squad they have anyway. As I keep saying, if you're going to lose games, I'd rather lose with young, cheap talent that has upward potential rather than with old, expensive players, who are past their prime.

[poop]

just do Something.

[timvp]

I've seen T. Thomas played at least 30 times in the last two years. He is a leaper and has length, all fantastic physical attributes for an NBA player.

However, he has ZERO basketball IQ, I repeat ZERO. I don't know if he is coachable or if he has the capacity to learn and adapt. If he can learn and become a basketball player, he would be a fantastic help for the Spurs frontcourt.

Nevertheless, I've seen him missing so many defensive rotations, forcing shots and just plain boneheaded plays it is not even funny.

Caveat emptor.

Agreed. He could bomb out as a Spur. In fact, I think that is the most likely scenario. There's a chance he puts it all together and figures out how to properly use his natural talents ... but I haven't seen much maturation in his game since his LSU days.

[Spurologist]

What kind of range does TT have?

Dunking....

[slick'81]

maybe tt is all hype but id like to c what pop could get out of him if anything

[HarlemHeat37]

He has a semi-reliable mid-range J..

I agree that Thomas is an idiot..one of the worst basketball IQs in the NBA..I still want him though..this team just needs athletes..badly..

Pop is supposed to have a reputation of a basketball genius..the Spurs organization is supposed to be the best organization in sports since the Duncan-Pop era began..let's see them put this reputation to use and see what they can do with an immature player like Thomas that has all the potential in the world..

Scenario 1: Thomas doesn't help and clashes with Pop..we're stuck where we already were, which is a fringe playoff team..we just lose the expirings that we might not have used anyways..

Scenario 2: Thomas thrives as a Spur, helping add a much needed boost of shot blocking, athleticism and energy to an old team that can barely move..

Scenario 3: Thomas sits on the bench while Finley is playing PF..

[jermaine]

I don't care what his IQ is. Pop should let him do whatever like he let Blair. Imagine TT& Manu on a P&R. That boy would try to rip the rim down as good as Manu be setting people up these days.

[L.I.T]

The one part of a deal that makes sense, from a Bulls perspective, is that they recently swapped Aaron Gray for Devin Brown to shore up their guard spot (likely in case of a trade)

As has been mentioned then, the Pargo/Thomas trade makes sense for them if they can get some size back (Mahinmi or Bonner). Some combination of Mahinmi/Bonner/Finley is completely palatable.

Even though Thomas is likely a dumber but more athletic and defensively oriented version of Mahinmi..

[timvp]

I might be back on the Camby bandwagon. With as porous as the defense is, the Spurs could use Camby's shotblocking. He'll give up open shots on the perimeter but at least they aren't layups. And maybe he'll play his azz off since it's a contract year.

Camby doesn't fit in the Spurs' current system but junking the current system and building a new one around Camby's ability to block shots sounds about as good as any other option right now.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I might be back on the Camby bandwagon. With as porous as the defense is, the Spurs could use Camby's shotblocking. He'll give up open shots on the perimeter but at least they aren't layups. And maybe he'll play his azz off since it's a contract year.

Camby doesn't fit in the Spurs' current system but junking the current system and building a new one around Camby's ability to block shots sounds about as good as any other option right now.

Absolutely. Camby >>> Thomas, for the simple reason that Thomas seems to be a more athletic version of Drew Gooden, promising much and bound to deliver little more than frustration and bone-headedness. Camby on the other hand, has some veteran mojo and will do better, I guarantee it.

[Manu20]

Camby for Ian, Roger, and Bonner.

Will the Clips bite?

[Spursfanfromafar]

Camby for Ian, Roger, and Bonner.

Will the Clips bite?

The Clips are looking for a good SF.

If we can arrange a Three-Way between Washington, the Clips and us....this is much doable. Except three way trades are a rarity.

Camby to Spurs, Butler to Clips, and Ian, Roger and Bonner to Wiz.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhvcq2w ..Something of this order.. only trouble is that the Wizards would be doing a 3 for 1 with a full roster already.

[ElNono]

I might be back on the Camby bandwagon. With as porous as the defense is, the Spurs could use Camby's shotblocking. He'll give up open shots on the perimeter but at least they aren't layups. And maybe he'll play his azz off since it's a contract year.

Camby doesn't fit in the Spurs' current system but junking the current system and building a new one around Camby's ability to block shots sounds about as good as any other option right now.

If you're going to do that, might aswell give Ratliff a shot and see what happens. That said, I have a feeling the current system is here to stay as long as Pop is at the helm.

[Spursfanfromafar]

If you're going to do that, might aswell give Ratliff a shot and see what happens. That said, I have a feeling the current system is here to stay as long as Pop is at the helm.

I don't think so.. Pop & co. are looking to make a move. The Spurs always work under the radar during trade time and thats why there isn't much rumor-traction. But I am pretty sure that Pop and RCB are doing something to upgrade this set.

[SenorSpur]

C'mon folks. Enough with the "old man acquisition program". Been there done that. Why do you think the Spurs are in the trouble they're in now? The core players have gotten old and injury-prone. The added players that are older, dead-legged or both.

They need young, quick, athletic players - especially to help Pop continue to fortify his small-ball lineups.

[TD 21]

I might be back on the Camby bandwagon. With as porous as the defense is, the Spurs could use Camby's shotblocking. He'll give up open shots on the perimeter but at least they aren't layups. And maybe he'll play his azz off since it's a contract year.

Camby doesn't fit in the Spurs' current system but junking the current system and building a new one around Camby's ability to block shots sounds about as good as any other option right now.

I've been on the Camby bandwagon for two years and I've just gotten off. I saw him as in "we're one player away and it's a center-sized big, his contract is expiring, he's theoretically attainable for what the Spurs have to offer", but now I realize they're not one (realistic) player away and they just flat out need to avoid old players at all costs. Seriously. I used to think that was overblown, that the Spurs lacked talent surrounding the big three more than anything, but it's apparent, they're just flat out old. Like Harlem keeps saying, get some guys who can move and don't look like dead guys. Mentally, these guys know what to do and how to do it; physically, they just can't get there anymore. Not fast enough, anyway.

Thomas is a worthwhile gamble (for reasons that have been beaten to death, including by me) and the Spurs have Splitter's rights. I'd rather watch those two playing with Duncan, McDyess and Blair, on a deep, versatile front line next season, or watch the Spurs use Splitter as a means to acquire a long, athletic, quick, defensive minded SF, who can shoot the three.

[Blackjack]

When Skiles - who often seems like a perfect mix of the best qualities of Larry Brown and Don Nelson - started utilizing the worst qualities of Larry Brown and Don Nelson. The strange rotations. The stubbornness. The attention to obsession, rather than detail.

Sorry, but am I the only one who lol'd when reading that?


You can make a deal, for a very tradeable contract that matches up with most MLE-salary structures, in its last year no less, and take in 30 games of inspired play. This league is so stupidly ridiculous that, of course, things always seem to flesh in the most obvious of ways. And the obvious expectation is that Thomas will be on a full "I'll show them" kick, and play exceedingly well once acquired by a team outside of Cook County.

He may not get it for good, in true Jason Williams-style, but he can do a team, a bench, a frontcourt rotation, good. He could work for the Spurs. He could work for a quite a few teams. Freed from the "figure it out on your own, kid"-clutches of the Chicago Bulls, for the rest of this year at least, it's an almost certainty.

:tu

I really don't how you could be against this trade, given the type of package it'd require. He brings a physical skillset that would be of great use and a great compliment to a guy like Tim and the guy's got his proverbial back against the wall; he's got a tarnished image and no guaranteed contract awaits.

The Spurs have nothing to lose and a lot to gain; Mickael Pietrus says hello.

[ElNono]

I don't think so.. Pop & co. are looking to make a move. The Spurs always work under the radar during trade time and thats why there isn't much rumor-traction. But I am pretty sure that Pop and RCB are doing something to upgrade this set.

As I already said, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Spurs don't make a move. If there's anything, it probably be close to the deadline when some teams get desperate to shred some salary and take on our expirings.

[jermaine]

Yal keep calling dude dumb, but if I'm not mistaken he played a major role in the Bull vs Celts going to 7gms an that many overtimes! No he's not Duncan but he sure as hell will make a impact. Get him an the white boy(no disrespect)

[doobs]

More than anything else, Spurs need some Mario Elie attitude.

[TFloss32]

maybe tt is all hype but id like to c what pop could get out of him if anything

I don't think Pop can get much of anything out of anyone right now. I've never heard him have such a defeatist attitude as I have in the recent AW article. His inconsistent lineups, refusal to beef up our interior defense by playing Ian (extremely disappointed in the way his situation has been handled) and Theo and his insistence on playing guys that aren't making a difference as of right now (i.e. Bonner, Finley) have this team going in so many different directions. Also, when was the last time you saw Pop just lay into one of our players? IMO, he doesn't have that edge anymore and our team is reflection of that.

“We haven’t developed a trust, a communication, a camaraderie as far as executing on the court,” Popovich said. “Which is strange for us. We’ve never had this situation.

“…For some reason, I’m not getting through to this group.”

[TFloss32]

More than anything else, Spurs need some Mario Elie attitude.

Couldn't agree more. Teams simply aren't afraid of the Spurs anymore.

[coachmac87]

I don't think Pop can get much of anything out of anyone right now. I've never heard him have such a defeatist attitude as I have in the recent AW article. His inconsistent lineups, refusal to beef up our interior defense by playing Ian (extremely disappointed in the way his situation has been handled) and Theo and his insistence on playing guys that aren't making a difference as of right now (i.e. Bonner, Finley) have this team going in so many different directions. Also, when was the last time you saw Pop just lay into one of our players? IMO, he doesn't have that edge anymore and our team is reflection of that.

“We haven’t developed a trust, a communication, a camaraderie as far as executing on the court,” Popovich said. “Which is strange for us. We’ve never had this situation.

“…For some reason, I’m not getting through to this group.”



Well damn....at least he is admitting to that.

[HarlemHeat37]

Why would teams be afraid of the Spurs when we don't have any athleticism or size?..a vocal guy wouldn't change that..

[doobs]

Why would teams be afraid of the Spurs when we don't have any athleticism or size?..a vocal guy wouldn't change that..

Spurs lack intensity and toughness more than they lack athleticism or size. That's the point.

They need attitude. Attitude goes a long way. RJ would be awesome if he just started playing with intensity, like he had a chip on his shoulder or something.

[HarlemHeat37]

Attitude would help and so would balls, but it wouldn't make up for the lack of athleticism and size..

[Mark in Austin]

Camby doesn't fit in the Spurs' current system but junking the current system and building a new one around Camby's ability to block shots sounds about as good as any other option right now.


I'm not convinced the classic Spurs defensive scheme can be lock-down effective without Bowen.

So what the hell - bring on Cotton Camby. In win now mode, Camby>>Thomas.

[TFloss32]

Why would teams be afraid of the Spurs when we don't have any athleticism or size?..a vocal guy wouldn't change that..

I don't think Doobs was saying that a vocal leader would put us over the top. It would just simply make die-hard Spurs fans (like most of us on here) feel as if the players at least care about what's currently going on. Nothing makes me more upset (as a fan) when the Spurs lose a game because of a lack of effort or when they're losing and act as if they don't care. I can recall several times where the Spurs have been losing and the bench will look like they're favorite puppy just died or they'll be laughing and messing around.

Correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't this the biggest team the Spurs have had since '99? They have three legit seven footers and two guys at 6'10", yet they don't bring their size to the table. Pop is too busy catering to other teams' style of play and insistent on playing these 4 guard/1 big lineups. The amount of points they're giving up in the paint this season is a tell-tale sign that Pop is not sticking with what has made them successful in the past. Also, this is the most athletic team the Spurs have had in years and that's why many of us were giddy at the potential ceiling of this team before the season started. Teams aren't scared of the Spurs anymore because they know that they don't have their shit together and lack that inner confidence that they've possessed for the past several years. This is very evident when teams come to the AT&T Center and roll right through them.

[underdawg]

Well damn....at least he is admitting to that.

He's admitting to the wrong thing - he needs to admit that although he might be a good coach, the league is at a point where talent and ability trumps a savy vets and offensive and defensive schemes. He doesn't have the talent to compete regrardless of how this team's chemistry develops or not. He needs players that are able to protect the rim, rebound and score. He gets some decent performances out of this group offensively from time to time, but if a good team adjusts, this team falls flat because they no longer have the ability to compete with the better teams. Don't get me wrong - it's not because of a lack of desire to compete as much as it is the well being dry.

Parker, Manu and Duncan are obviously still competitive, but it's no longer good enough to have good shooters in Finley, Bonner and Mason eating up minutes. This team needs more from its role players - it needs the ability to defend, pound the ball inside (instead of jump shots) and be agressive (knock people over going for the ball from time to time.)

Can 1 or 2 players do this? - maybe; Horry, Ellie and Jackson did alright when needed.

[Spursfanfromafar]

For all those who think that athleticism and talent is all that requires for the Spurs to get over the top - RJ is the personification of athleticism and talent and look where he has gotten the team and himself.

There is something about the system and veteran savvy that made the Spurs as good as they were in the past. Getting a guy like Tyrus Thomas, simply because he can scream, make some Sportscenter defensive plays and the lot is not going to help the Spurs much.

Camby is not the best answer; but he addresses a crying need and support that Tim Duncan needs in the post, freeing his wear-and-tear affected body to do more on offense. Also getting some size to shore up a frontcourt that seems lackadaisical with an undersized talent (Blair) and a good veteran who can't block shots (McDyess).

[objective]

I might be back on the Camby bandwagon. With as porous as the defense is, the Spurs could use Camby's shotblocking. He'll give up open shots on the perimeter but at least they aren't layups. And maybe he'll play his azz off since it's a contract year.

Camby doesn't fit in the Spurs' current system but junking the current system and building a new one around Camby's ability to block shots sounds about as good as any other option right now.

I'm off the Cambywagon.

LAC isn't giving up an expiring for expirings. That means you're either talking Splitter or if the Spurs are lucky, a 1st, possibly unprotected though.

Just for a 1/3rd year rental of a soft defender in his twilight and rapidly approaching completely washed up territory?

Even as a Splitter-coming-skeptic, I wouldn't want that.

At least trading for Tyrus Thomas would give the Spurs another year to look at him with the qualifying offer, and he could still get better.

Camby will just get stiffer.

It wouldn't work, it would just be losing an asset, even one as meager as a 1st, which would be . . . I don't know, 18 or 19 if things stay the same?

Good players can be found there.

[SenorSpur]

I'm off too. Camby would've been okay 2-3 years ago. Considering him as a possible trade acquisition is Kurt Thomas all over again. As Barkley reminds us, older players don't get better, they just get older. I'm over the AARP strategy. Too much age on this team as it is.

[Blackjack]

I'm off the Cambywagon.

LAC isn't giving up an expiring for expirings. That means you're either talking Splitter or if the Spurs are lucky, a 1st, possibly unprotected though.

Just for a 1/3rd year rental of a soft defender in his twilight and rapidly approaching completely washed up territory?

Even as a Splitter-coming-skeptic, I wouldn't want that.

At least trading for Tyrus Thomas would give the Spurs another year to look at him with the qualifying offer, and he could still get better.

Camby will just get stiffer.

It wouldn't work, it would just be losing an asset, even one as meager as a 1st, which would be . . . I don't know, 18 or 19 if things stay the same?

Good players can be found there.

:tu

[TJastal]

For all those who think that athleticism and talent is all that requires for the Spurs to get over the top - RJ is the personification of athleticism and talent and look where he has gotten the team and himself.

There is something about the system and veteran savvy that made the Spurs as good as they were in the past. Getting a guy like Tyrus Thomas, simply because he can scream, make some Sportscenter defensive plays and the lot is not going to help the Spurs much.

Camby is not the best answer; but he addresses a crying need and support that Tim Duncan needs in the post, freeing his wear-and-tear affected body to do more on offense. Also getting some size to shore up a frontcourt that seems lackadaisical with an undersized talent (Blair) and a good veteran who can't block shots (McDyess).

Nobody is saying you need to field a roster of 12-15 intellectually challenged athletic freaks to win ballgames. :rolleyes

But this team is getting killed by not having anyone outside of Jefferson with a degree of athleticism that Pop actually will play. It's probably no coincidence Pop has been using RJ as a power forward for most of the year, Pop is probalby trying to inject some athleticism into the frontline (even though Jefferson plays too soft to be effective in the role).

Get Tyrus Thomas to take over this role and move RJ back to small forward where he belongs and this team will start kicking some ass.

[SouthTexasRancher]

If you're going to do that, might aswell give Ratliff a shot and see what happens. That said, I have a feeling the current system is here to stay as long as Pop is at the helm.


Any clues as to why hardheaded Pop hardly ever plays Ratliff? Especially since I thought we got him to give us a quality 8-10 minutes per game and he could really help us in the paint late in these games we keep giving away. He can't do any worse than the others in the game at that point.

[pad300]

I think that if the Spurs braintrust wants it, there are strong possibilities at major shakeups. I am just not sure that they are interested.

1) IND
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzsgxz8
2) PHI
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yhyfq2r

Both of these are financially driven, with PHI & IND moving longer term contracts for shorter ones. Both would likely require more incentive (SAS's 2010 1st, or rights to Splitter, or other incentive).

WAS would be another possibility, but I expect them to conclude ending up trading with CLE and moving Jamison. If not, there are possibilities on that roster including Mike Miller (expiring, could be had as a rental for other expirings and a 1st) and Brendan Haywood (expiring, similar).

A smaller shake up would be possible with CHI, as many here have speculated, either
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygy75qy
or
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhbak5p

The key point to all of this is that there are 3 teams looking at major talent give aways (WAS, IND, PHI), and 3 buyers (CLE,SAS, and PHO). (Note, HOU is not interested in anything that is on offer from WAS,IND,PHI, otherwise they would be in this conversation as well). Therefore, we should, if interested be able to work out a deal with one of those teams. My preference would be the PHI deal, I think it is the strongest. One thing that could de-rail this is that DAL may also be interested, after their recent problems, and they also have assets to put together a decent package...

[TFloss32]

He's admitting to the wrong thing - he needs to admit that although he might be a good coach, the league is at a point where talent and ability trumps a savy vets and offensive and defensive schemes. He doesn't have the talent to compete regrardless of how this team's chemistry develops or not. He needs players that are able to protect the rim, rebound and score. He gets some decent performances out of this group offensively from time to time, but if a good team adjusts, this team falls flat because they no longer have the ability to compete with the better teams. Don't get me wrong - it's not because of a lack of desire to compete as much as it is the well being dry.

Parker, Manu and Duncan are obviously still competitive, but it's no longer good enough to have good shooters in Finley, Bonner and Mason eating up minutes. This team needs more from its role players - it needs the ability to defend, pound the ball inside (instead of jump shots) and be agressive (knock people over going for the ball from time to time.)

I think you're correct that the league is becoming far more athletic but these types of teams still aren't winning championships. Teams like the Spurs, Pistons, Celtics and Lakers have won championships in the past decade because of their defensive and offensive execution, not because of their athleticism. Until teams like the Hawks, Nuggets, Blazers, etc. start hoisiting the trophy at the end of the season, I don't buy that argument.

I don't think the well is dry. This is arguably the most talented team the Spurs have ever had (on paper) and they have a great combination of younger and older players. IMO, inconsisteny with personnel decisions and lack of an identity is the reason for what's currently going on. I also question their passion. See Pop's quote after the Laker game:

"It's about mental toughness and physical toughness and passion, a group jelling together and pulling for each other, and we're not doing it."

I completely agree with you that the role players need to step it up. In defense of those guys, not knowing where your place is at in the rotation doesn't help with mental preparation and developing a rhythm as a cohesive unit.

[objective]

I don't even think RJ is that athletic. Not anymore.

Compared to Finley, sure.

But forum favorite Mickael Pietrus (i was on his bandwagon as well) is an athlete. He'd mop RJ up in a combine. I don't think RJ could take him in any diagnostic, whether it's 3/4 court time or no-step vert or bench . . . that guy makes athletic plays. I wish RJ had that athleticism, because that could slightly cover for his apathy.

[ace3g]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/a7/fullj.f387bbeb76b1d69c0dc0fa0b4da4966b/f387bbeb76b1d69c0dc0fa0b4da4966b-getty-90043543rh013_bulls_pacers.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/44/fullj.b6f1185c76b90468f70e6b65dce04ae4/b6f1185c76b90468f70e6b65dce04ae4-getty-90043543rh012_bulls_pacers.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100210/capt.a6f96aaae7bb48e191b8cd76c2f96246.bulls_pacers _basketball_naf107.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/2e/fullj.4e4c3eeb41b77523128de1e9f0cc7119/4e4c3eeb41b77523128de1e9f0cc7119-getty-90043543rh005_bulls_pacers.jpg

[TJastal]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/a7/fullj.f387bbeb76b1d69c0dc0fa0b4da4966b/f387bbeb76b1d69c0dc0fa0b4da4966b-getty-90043543rh013_bulls_pacers.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/44/fullj.b6f1185c76b90468f70e6b65dce04ae4/b6f1185c76b90468f70e6b65dce04ae4-getty-90043543rh012_bulls_pacers.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100210/capt.a6f96aaae7bb48e191b8cd76c2f96246.bulls_pacers _basketball_naf107.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/2e/fullj.4e4c3eeb41b77523128de1e9f0cc7119/4e4c3eeb41b77523128de1e9f0cc7119-getty-90043543rh005_bulls_pacers.jpg

Those pics look nice. Thomas and Salmons would effectively end RJ's brief career at the 4 and Finley's career at the 1-5.

Thomas plays so much bigger than his listed height, he would be the perfect answer as Duncan's frontcourt mate.

[TD 21]

I don't even think RJ is that athletic. Not anymore.

Compared to Finley, sure.

But forum favorite Mickael Pietrus (i was on his bandwagon as well) is an athlete. He'd mop RJ up in a combine. I don't think RJ could take him in any diagnostic, whether it's 3/4 court time or no-step vert or bench . . . that guy makes athletic plays. I wish RJ had that athleticism, because that could slightly cover for his apathy.

Jefferson is a tier two athlete at this point, which is typical for late twenties guys with roughly a decade spent in the league (Maggette, Richardson, etc.). He's not in that freakishly athletic category with (off the top of my head; I could be missing a few): Smith, Rondo, Rose, Thomas, James, Gay, Westbrook, Howard, Iguodala and Stoudemire.

There's different types of athletic, though: There is the ultra quick, wiry strong athletic (Rondo, Thomas, Gay, Westbrook, Iguodala), then there's the guys who combine that with brute force (James, Howard, Stoudemire) and then there's the guys who are strictly more on the brute force side. Jefferson falls more into the latter category.

In terms of running and jumping, he can still do it at a near elite level, as evidenced by a few of the vicious throw downs this season and three games ago when he absolutely skied for a few rebounds, but it's defensively where his diminished lateral quickness is glaring.

[HarlemHeat37]

Jefferson is still a very good leaper, but that's where the athleticism ends with him..he's not that fast/quick anymore, and he no longer has ANY lateral quickness at all..injuries killed his lateral quickness..

You can't play perimeter defense without lateral quickness..

[duncan228]

Knicks discuss deal for McGrady (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-mcgradyrockets020910&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
By Adrian Wojnarowski

The Houston Rockets are in the discussion stages of a complicated, three-team trade that would send Tracy McGrady to the New York Knicks, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The centerpieces of the trade would include the Washington Wizards shipping forward Caron Butler and center Brendan Haywood to the Rockets. The Knicks would send Al Harrington to the Wizards. For the Wizards’ part, they would still need another player, as well as a draft pick and cash to make this a workable scenario, sources said.

Other players and contracts would still need to be agreed upon for a deal to come together, but there is a framework to the discussions.

The Rockets have been peddling McGrady’s expiring contract of $23 million since exiling him in late December.

[mountainballer]

the Amare to Miami rumors are becomming louder and louder. if this one goes down, many other pieces might start to fall. if Amare goes to Miami, I do think there could be a chance to get Haslem. (I still think this is a good idea).

there is a DJ Augustin for Big Baby rumor. would be a great deal long term for the Celtics.

[MaNu4Tres]

the Amare to Miami rumors are becomming louder and louder.


Links? Sources?

[lurker23]

Links? Sources?

Here's an article from Woj:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ApuP_2.wznj8UQEVwU9ZC.28vLYF?slug=aw-stoudemireheat020910&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[MaNu4Tres]

Here's an article from Woj:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ApuP_2.wznj8UQEVwU9ZC.28vLYF?slug=aw-stoudemireheat020910&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Ignore. For some odd reason I thought he said " Amare to SA rumors getting louder and louder." - Thanks for making me look like an idiot iphone.

[SpurNation]

Knicks discuss deal for McGrady (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-mcgradyrockets020910&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
By Adrian Wojnarowski

The Houston Rockets are in the discussion stages of a complicated, three-team trade that would send Tracy McGrady to the New York Knicks, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The centerpieces of the trade would include the Washington Wizards shipping forward Caron Butler and center Brendan Haywood to the Rockets. The Knicks would send Al Harrington to the Wizards. For the Wizards’ part, they would still need another player, as well as a draft pick and cash to make this a workable scenario, sources said.

Other players and contracts would still need to be agreed upon for a deal to come together, but there is a framework to the discussions.

The Rockets have been peddling McGrady’s expiring contract of $23 million since exiling him in late December.

Interesting. I looked at a 3-way possibility with the same two teams and the Spurs several days ago.
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5429979

[rayray2k8]

wtf? The rockets getting Butler would make them a tougher team in the playoffs...
Oh yeah and there's Haywood.. This trade would make the spurs the 3rd best team in Texas....
:|

[MaNu4Tres]

Interesting. I looked at a 3-way possibility with the same two teams and the Spurs several days ago.
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5429979

That trade makes no sense for Washington and New York.

[SpurNation]

That trade makes no sense for Washington and New York.

As much sense as the proposed trade with Houston?

[MaNu4Tres]

As much sense as the proposed trade with Houston?

No it doesn't.

New York wants to get as far under the cap as they can get for this summer. This has been evident with the moves Donnie Walsh has made since he's taken over in 2008 . Richard Jefferson's 15 million next year doesn't comply with Walsh's intentions.

Washington would have to be getting at least a first rounder from both teams and Splitter and most likely Blair, since San Antonio is getting away with murder in the trade.

[Spursmania]

Every morning, I check this thread hoping to see some great trade for the Spurs. Maybe tomorrow. There's always hope.

[Mr. Body]

wtf? The rockets getting Butler would make them a tougher team in the playoffs...
Oh yeah and there's Haywood.. This trade would make the spurs the 3rd best team in Texas....
:|

Definitely put SA well behind Houston and Dallas.

[Brazil]

Well, if it takes Bonner+Mahinmi to get Thomas, it's not like Spurs are losing something. And after all that happens with Thomas, it should be enough to get him (Bonner with his shooting could help Bulls).

If Spurs can't find a quality big in the trade market, giving a shot to Thomas can't hurt them.

you're right if the price is low, why not ? it cannot be worst with him than the current situation anyway.

[SpurNation]

wtf? The rockets getting Butler would make them a tougher team in the playoffs...
Oh yeah and there's Haywood.. This trade would make the spurs the 3rd best team in Texas....
:|

If this were to be the case...Spurs might as well tank the season and hope for a decent lottery spot. As well as consider trading Manu's contract this year and maybe even Tony's for picks/players.

Or...at least try to get Butler and Haywood themselves if this rumor has teeth.

[I. Hustle]

Sources: D.J. Augustin part of talksComment Email Print Share By Chris Brousard
ESPN The Magazine
Archive
The Boston Celtics and Charlotte Bobcats are discussing a trade centered around Glen Davis and D.J. Augustin, according to league sources.
The sources cautioned that nothing is imminent, but said the clubs are having discussions.

The Bobcats have been searching for a power forward, and the 6-foot-9 Davis could be their man. The Celtics, meanwhile, have been longing for a backup point guard, and Augustin, who's fallen out of favor with Charlotte coach Larry Brown, would be more than adequate.

A straight-up trade would not work because Davis is a base-year compensation player, so other players would have to be involved to meet the financial requirements. That could be a sticking point in the deal.

While teams don't typically trade big for small, Boston is a bit aggravated with Davis, who's had a few off-the-court problems this season. Most notably, he missed the first 27 games of the season after breaking his thumb in an early morning scuffle with a friend.

The Celtics have been rumored to be exploring deals for Ray Allen, and while league sources insist the word "shopping'' is too strong, they say the shooting guard is definitely available. Few believe he'll be traded before the Feb. 18 deadline, though, because the Celtics aren't likely to get a better player in return.




There!

[timvp]

Well, we know now why you didn't go with the username I. Format.

[dbestpro]

Well, we know now why you didn't go with the username I. Format.

:lol

[I. Hustle]

Well, we know now why you didn't go with the username I. Format.

Hey don't hate. I just copied and pasted. Were you not able to read it?

[Trimble87]

So I have not been following this thread at all, sorry if this has been dscussed before. But the rumors are everywhere that Philly is putting Iguodala's name out there and it seems to me that if a team is willing to take on Brands ridiculous contract they can get Iguodala for basically nothing... That being said would it be worth Brands terrible contract to get Iggy and rid ourselves of Jefferson? I was playing around on the trade machine and ginobili/jefferson for brand and iggy works. Jefferson or Manu plus mason/bonner/dice also works. And depending on how desperate Philly is, we could possibly do Manu/jefferson/RMJ for Brand/Iggy/Thaddeus Young.

I really like this idea. Iggy is athletic, has the skillsets to be a great defensive player, and will only continue to get better. Brand is a unbelievably overpayed player, but next to Duncan he could throw up 12-15 and 8 every night and be okay.

Now I dont know enough about our other contracts or the cap to determine how badly a bloated 4 year contract like Brand's would hurt us in the long run. So that alone might tank this idea. I'll defer to those of you with more knowledge on it than I :toast

[timvp]

Hey don't hate. I just
I. Hustle
We're ready to kick ass!

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copied and pasted. Were you not

SpursTalk Cash: $655750
Post Count: 6,807

able to read it?

It was somewhat difficult.

[SpurNation]

So I have not been following this thread at all, sorry if this has been dscussed before. But the rumors are everywhere that Philly is putting Iguodala's name out there and it seems to me that if a team is willing to take on Brands ridiculous contract they can get Iguodala for basically nothing... That being said would it be worth Brands terrible contract to get Iggy and rid ourselves of Jefferson? I was playing around on the trade machine and ginobili/jefferson for brand and iggy works. Jefferson or Manu plus mason/bonner/dice also works. And depending on how desperate Philly is, we could possibly do Manu/jefferson/RMJ for Brand/Iggy/Thaddeus Young.

I really like this idea. Iggy is athletic, has the skillsets to be a great defensive player, and will only continue to get better. Brand is a unbelievably overpayed player, but next to Duncan he could throw up 12-15 and 8 every night and be okay.

Now I dont know enough about our other contracts or the cap to determine how badly a bloated 4 year contract like Brand's would hurt us in the long run. So that alone might tank this idea. I'll defer to those of you with more knowledge on it than I :toast

I would be willing to help but finding all the posts in this thread regarding Iguodala would take some time to copy and paste.

From the top of my head...posts regarding Iguodala started at around the 8 page mark and were discussed freaquently up to about the 24 page mark.

[I. Hustle]

It was somewhat difficult.

I fixed it fool. Damn! You wanna e-fight?!

[pawe]

No one will take Jefferson's contract. If you will fiddle with the trade machine, don't include RJ because teams are only interested in expiring contracts.

[lefty]

On ESPN.com trade machine, I tried Bonner+Finley for Battier and I got this:

http://www.dan.se/wp-content/photos/retard.jpg

[Sobe_Kucks]

So the big talk here in Houston this morning is that Daryl Morey is close to working a 3 way deal with the Nicks that sends McGrady away for Butler and Haywood. It was also reported by Wojnarowski earlier this morn.

Sure would look good in a Spurs unifrom (Butler and Haywood not McGrady:p:). Maybe the Spurs can trump the McGrady deal with our expiring contracts and something to build with??? One can dream

[Obstructed_View]

It was somewhat difficult.

Your last two posts were gold. My ribs hurt from laughing.

[5in10]

From David Thorpes ESPN chat:
Wayne (San Antonio, TX)
Richard Jefferson for Corey Maggette and Anthony Randolph?


David Thorpe
(12:39 PM)
I tweeted this summer that if AR played in San Antonio, he'd end up being a Hall of Famer.

[pawe]

From David Thorpes ESPN chat:
Wayne (San Antonio, TX)
Richard Jefferson for Corey Maggette and Anthony Randolph?


David Thorpe
(12:39 PM)
I tweeted this summer that if AR played in San Antonio, he'd end up being a Hall of Famer.

Oh god please let that happen.

[Muser]

From David Thorpes ESPN chat:
Wayne (San Antonio, TX)
Richard Jefferson for Corey Maggette and Anthony Randolph?


David Thorpe
(12:39 PM)
I tweeted this summer that if AR played in San Antonio, he'd end up being a Hall of Famer.

That would be too good to happen...

[I. Hustle]

Bullshit! What are we? the Lakers?!

[I. Hustle]

Your last two posts were gold. My ribs hurt from laughing.

That funny huh?

[timvp]

Like I said earlier, I'd take Randolph over Ty Thomas even knowing Randolph likely misses the rest of the season.

Randolph >>>>>>>>>> Thomas

Randolph hitting his ultimate potential would be a borderline Duncan replacement. There aren't five players with more potential in the NBA. That said, he has a long, long way to figure out how to use it all.

[I. Hustle]

Like I said earlier, I'd take Randolph over Ty Thomas even knowing Randolph likely misses the rest of the season.

Randolph >>>>>>>>>> Thomas

Randolph hitting his ultimate potential would be a borderline Duncan replacement. There aren't five players with more potential in the NBA. That said, he has a long, long way to figure out how to use it all.

If IF this were to happen it would be a huge blow to the FO's ego so let's see if they could get past that first. Second it would make us better this year but UNBEAVABLE next year!

[5in10]

I would love to have both TT and AR, although I don't know how that would work out considering they're a lot alike. Guess you could have AR at SF and TT at PF, imagine the shot blocking between them and Duncan.:hat

[Muser]

Randolph would eliminate the threat of Dirk/Odom type players. Also as timvp said he has the potential to be a top 5/10 player in the league at some point. The FO would be wise to snap him up if he's available.

[StoneBuddha]

Randolph hitting his ultimate potential would be a borderline Duncan replacement. There aren't five players with more potential in the NBA. That said, he has a long, long way to figure out how to use it all.

I have a lot less confidence in Pop now that he'd be able to get a player like Randolph to reach his potential. Randolph is definitely one of those players with a fragile head that needs to be coddled a bit.

I sat behind the bench for the Spurs-Warriors game in Oakland, and the whole time, AR looked like he was going to cry on the bench from being in Nelson's doghouse.

[kjhip1]

No trade is necessary!!!!

This season can still be salvaged. Everyone says the samething about this team: They are uninterested and look deflated. Let's look at obvious reasons for their slump throught the season.

1. Parker's plantar fasciitis is indeed a p roblem that will not go away for the rest of this season. Timmy did not look at all like himself when was battling this injury. Parker does no look as explosive as he has in the past.

2. Ginobili seems like he might just be thinking too much about what's going on with him and the Spurs FO. Lately he looks inspired however, I do think with his partuicular skill set, father time is starting to set in. He looks half a step slower. Everyone says his FG% is extremely poor, however his shooting has always been off and on. this season he just looks like he is hestiant when driving to the basket.

3. Rebouding has killed this team. As evident in the LA game, we just dont have that much size. We have Ratliff but he is a shell of his former self. Timmy and Blair really are the only big time rebounders we have.

4. Defensive lapses and 2nd Half lapses constanly kill this team. Bogans is no where near Bruce Bowen's capability. I would even venture to say that Finley and Bogans are a wash on defense. Even Hill who looks to be pretty defensive gets caught in lapses of not playing the pick and roll correctly. Mason is absolutely atrocious on D while RJ is about average. I wish POP would some how find some time for Ian to guard soemone like Gasol and see how he performs. the 3rd quarter lapses are reminiscent of SPURS teams from the past. Ususally when the Spurs got big leads they were able to sustain them. However now it seems like they can't hang on to a lead to save thier life.

apart of me feels that POP is unsure of what he has in this team. There is potential to be alot better but it all starts on the defensive side. Usually a big time win can jumpstart a run for this team. they play Denver next and everything points to a loss, however I look for the team to play with grit and determination and at least get to 6 wins for this road trip. If its one thing I know, its that a team can get hot at anytime. The Spurs know what it takes to get thorugh the payoffs. With the West being so competitive this year, Ireally wouldn't doubt an 8 seed giving the top seed some problems. The Spurs are capable of beating every team in the top 8 in the West, its just a matter of getting thier confidence high and getting on a roll. At this point we are 29-21. Things could be worse, alot worse. (see year before Duncan got here). Everyone likes to jump ship as the team has been uninspiring, but for TRUE SPURS fans, we are too familiar with the team pedigree and the motvation Timmy has as a captian. POP may makes some headscratching decisoins but for anyone who gets frustrated by his calls, I ask you, how many titles have you lead an NBA franchise to? The man has a plan and so do the Spurs. Giving up is easy but lets see what this team has got left. they'll either flame out or muster enough determination to turn this season around. I'll go with the latter. GO SPURS GO!

[objective]

Pop would turn Anthony Randolph around the same way he did with Nelson's other doghoused project big with incredible potential.

Samaki 2010

[lurker23]

From David Thorpes ESPN chat:
Wayne (San Antonio, TX)
Richard Jefferson for Corey Maggette and Anthony Randolph?


David Thorpe
(12:39 PM)
I tweeted this summer that if AR played in San Antonio, he'd end up being a Hall of Famer.

If the Warriors were unwilling to do this deal, I wonder if they'd be more tempted if the Spurs offered to take both Maggette's and Biedrins' contracts for RJ + expirings. I know that's A LOT of long-term money, but at least it's long term money for guys who can play.

[objective]

I've never heard that the Warriors wanted to move Biedrins.

[lurker23]

I've never heard that the Warriors wanted to move Biedrins.

I haven't heard that specifically that they want to trade him, but the owner is in some financial trouble and is considering selling the team. A team with considerably less committed payroll (even minus Randolph) might be more appealing. Also, Biedrins' tenure in GS isn't going too smoothly at the moment:

http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/landing/?blockID=177347&feedID=2799

[rayray2k8]

Would be nice to have AR, but if it's being reported, then it aint gonna happen. That's the way things work around here.

[FvckMavs]

Would be nice to have AR, but if it's being reported, then it aint gonna happen. That's the way things work around here.

It is not being reported. Just some fan brought it up in Thorpes chat.

[8FOR!3]

Richard Jefferson for Corey Maggette and Anthony Randolph is a dream trade right now lol. I'd even be willing to give up more than RJ. Being the same age, I think Maggette is playing a good bit better at this point in his career than McGrady.

Tim Duncan
Anthony Randolph
Corey Maggette
Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker

Have George Hill and DeJuan Blair being the first two off the bench and you've got something special there.

[Blackjack]

Like I said earlier, I'd take Randolph over Ty Thomas even knowing Randolph likely misses the rest of the season.

Randolph >>>>>>>>>> Thomas

Randolph hitting his ultimate potential would be a borderline Duncan replacement. There aren't five players with more potential in the NBA. That said, he has a long, long way to figure out how to use it all.

Who's to say you couldn't have both? :smokin

Just for entertainment's sake, what if the Spurs could pawn off RJ and Splitter for Maggette and Randolph (throw parts in from either side if you wish) and still had the expirings and a first-rounder, if needed, to acquire Thomas and Salmons?

I'm just spitballin', but Splitter to GS could give them a cheaper replacement for Biedrins, whom they could include in a separate deal to upgrade their roster, and they'd rid themselves of Maggette's contract; RJ's at least a name and someone that the fan base wouldn't be up in arms about acquiring. (he'd look much better in that offense)

The Spurs get one of the most improved players in the league this year and a guy who's suited to be a nice 6th Man moving forward; he's an upgrade to RJ this year (going out on a limb there, Blackjack) and I wouldn't vomit as profusely with him at the 4. But the key to this would be the acquisition of Randolph, someone who could be a franchise-level player down the road, and someone the Spurs wouldn't likely have the opportunity of acquiring under normal circumstances; losing Splitter would be a small price to pay, imo, if it's to acquire someone of Randloph's ilk.

If the Spurs still had the assets for the Thomas-Salmons deal, it'd be virtually the same rationale on the basketball court for this year and for the evaluation purposes of next year. You'd have Hill, Blair, Randolph, Thomas (should they see him worthy) and Hairston as your developing youth and good assets to mix and match, which would negate the loss of a first-round pick (should it be required in this trade).

It's not real well-thought, just kinda typing stream of conscience, but it's seemingly feasible and, at the very least, shoot-the-shit worthy...

[dbestpro]

We don't need to stinking trade. No trade will make a difference this year anyway because Pop will not give up on small ball.

All is not lost, Manu will not be back along with Bonner, Finley, RMJ etc. for a total of 23 mil flexibility. RJ will have an expiring contract at 15 mil that several teams will salivate for, next year.

the nucleus of Duncan, Parker, Hill, Blair, Hairston, (maybe Splitter) plus as much as 30 plus million for free agents makes the future look much brighter than most observe.

Getting another go to big could lesson the wear and tear on TD and allow him to play at another 4-5 years. Afterall his game is not high maintenance. No high flying dunks. No jump shot that will go south because of a lost verticle. He just needs less minutes to rest the knees, back, and feet.

[Obstructed_View]

That funny huh?

Yes that funny. And at your expense, too. Something about your inability to just let it go just makes it that much funnier.

[I. Hustle]

Yes that funny. And at your expense, too. Something about your inability to just let it go just makes it that much funnier.

I was actually just joking with timvp. I didn't really want to "e-fight". But hey if that made you happy then good for you little guy... good for you. :tu

[lurker23]

We don't need to stinking trade. No trade will make a difference this year anyway because Pop will not give up on small ball.

All is not lost, Manu will not be back along with Bonner, Finley, RMJ etc. for a total of 23 mil flexibility. RJ will have an expiring contract at 15 mil that several teams will salivate for, next year.

the nucleus of Duncan, Parker, Hill, Blair, Hairston, (maybe Splitter) plus as much as 30 plus million for free agents makes the future look much brighter than most observe.

Getting another go to big could lesson the wear and tear on TD and allow him to play at another 4-5 years. Afterall his game is not high maintenance. No high flying dunks. No jump shot that will go south because of a lost verticle. He just needs less minutes to rest the knees, back, and feet.

Spurs won't have any cap space this upcoming summer. Free agent wise, all they'll have is their MLE and LLE, and part of the MLE will likely go to Splitter. All other spots will have to be filled via trade, draft, minimum contracts, and resigning Spurs who have expiring contracts this year.

I agree the Spurs future isn't all that bleak with some good young core players, but this team isn't going to be built by free agency, at least not this summer.

[MaNu4Tres]

Who's to say you couldn't have both? :smokin

Just for entertainment's sake, what if the Spurs could pawn off RJ and Splitter for Maggette and Randolph (throw parts in from either side if you wish) and still had the expirings and a first-rounder, if needed, to acquire Thomas and Salmons?

I'm just spitballin', but Splitter to GS could give them a cheaper replacement for Biedrins, whom they could include in a separate deal to upgrade their roster, and they'd rid themselves of Maggette's contract; RJ's at least a name and someone that the fan base wouldn't be up in arms about acquiring. (he'd look much better in that offense)

The Spurs get one of the most improved players in the league this year and a guy who's suited to be a nice 6th Man moving forward; he's an upgrade to RJ this year (going out on a limb there, Blackjack) and I wouldn't vomit as profusely with him at the 4. But the key to this would be the acquisition of Randolph, someone who could be a franchise-level player down the road, and someone the Spurs wouldn't likely have the opportunity of acquiring under normal circumstances; losing Splitter would be a small price to pay, imo, if it's to acquire someone of Randloph's ilk.

If the Spurs still had the assets for the Thomas-Salmons deal, it'd be virtually the same rationale on the basketball court for this year and for the evaluation purposes of next year. You'd have Hill, Blair, Randolph, Thomas (should they see him worthy) and Hairston as your developing youth and good assets to mix and match, which would negate the loss of a first-round pick (should it be required in this trade).

It's not real well-thought, just kinda typing stream of conscience, but it's seemingly feasible and, at the very least, shoot-the-shit worthy...

Blackjack...

Beat me to it...

Me and you think alike brother.

[Blackjack]

Blackjack...

Beat me to it...

Me and you think alike brother.

Probably something you shouldn't readily admit to...

I truly feel for you, bro. :hat

[5in10]

Who's to say you couldn't have both? :smokin


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yks5joo
throw in some first rounds and splitter if needed
BOOM! instant contention and instant rebuild :hat

[Obstructed_View]

I was actually just joking with timvp. I didn't really want to "e-fight". But hey if that made you happy then good for you little guy... good for you. :tu

Actually it just made me laugh my ass off. I don't need your approval for that, but your continually bringing it back to life does make me smile...

[rr2418]

Just throwing this out there. How about trading RMJ, McDyss, Finley for Tracy McGrady? At least in the trade meter it worked. I think Tmac would be a better fit than RJ.

[MaNu4Tres]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yks5joo
throw in some first rounds and splitter if needed
BOOM! instant contention and instant rebuild :hat

That's a bit of a stretch. Somewhat realistic, but a stretch.

I moved around some things and came up with a little bit better proposal IMO. It kind of makes sense if Spurs throw a 1st round pick to the Bulls and throw Splitter to the Warriors.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygjnxwu

[I. Hustle]

Actually it just made me laugh my ass off. I don't need your approval for that, but your continually bringing it back to life does make me smile...

Well I still give you my approval. I say go for it. Laugh away. If I can help bring joy and laughter to a special needs person... well it just makes my day. You keep laughing little guy and remember that it doesn't matter if you are a little different.

[Blackjack]

That's a bit of a stretch. Somewhat realistic, but a stretch.

I moved around some things and came up with a little bit better proposal IMO. It kind of makes sense if Spurs throw a 1st round pick to the Bulls and throw Splitter to the Warriors.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygjnxwu

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080616/Mike-Myers/Waynes-World_l.jpg
Zang...

[5in10]

That's a bit of a stretch. Somewhat realistic, but a stretch.

I moved around some things and came up with a little bit better proposal IMO. It kind of makes sense if Spurs throw a 1st round pick to the Bulls and throw Splitter to the Warriors.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygjnxwu

I like it but I wouldn't want throw in splitter unless we got back a center...maybe a future first round instead?

[benefactor]

Here's an article from Woj:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ApuP_2.wznj8UQEVwU9ZC.28vLYF?slug=aw-stoudemireheat020910&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

How about the Spurs get in on the action?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjsk4f2

[venitian navigator]

iguodala + brand for rj, mason, bonner, finley works too...

[benefactor]

How about the Spurs get in on the action?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjsk4f2
Then we can do this and we are set.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg98trv

[Blackjack]

Giving them Splitter is the kind of incentive that makes a trade like this plausible.

GS is desperately trying to shed salary and if the Spurs could take Maggette's contract off their hands and give them a cheaper replacement that could allow them to shed Biedrins $9M(?) in a separate trade, that makes sense/cents.

Splitter's a solid player and would contribute right away, but he's pretty much reached his ceiling and doesn't bring the long-term potential of a guy like Randolph; there's always a give and take.

[MaNu4Tres]

Giving them Splitter is the kind of incentive that makes a trade like this plausible.

GS is desperately trying to shed salary and if the Spurs could take Maggette's contract off their hands and give them a cheaper replacement that could allow them to shed Biedrins $9M(?) in a separate trade, that makes sense/cents.

Splitter's a solid player and would contribute right away, but he's pretty much reached his ceiling and doesn't bring the long-term potential of a guy like Randolph; there's always a give and take.

Not to mention Bulls would clear up some extra cap space, putting them at roughly 31 million in salary for next year. This would make them a bigger player in free agency this summer.

Also replacing Salmons for Mason/Bell and Thomas for Bonner isn't a significant fall-off in terms of production. That is if they valued getting players in return to help them compete in the playoffs this year.

So in all: Bulls shed Salmons off the books, get expirings in return that could actually contribute for the rest of the year, get to be big players in the best free agent market in the past 10 years, and get a 1st round pick on top of that.

[Blackjack]

http://www.americansuperstarmag.com/photos/file-2010/brooklyn-decker-600815.jpg

SCH-WING!

Excellent...:tu

I'll have the lemon chicken; I'm thinking she'll have the cream of some young guy.

[Sean Cagney]

Richard Jefferson for Corey Maggette and Anthony Randolph is a dream trade right now lol. I'd even be willing to give up more than RJ. Being the same age, I think Maggette is playing a good bit better at this point in his career than McGrady.

Tim Duncan
Anthony Randolph
Corey Maggette
Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker

Have George Hill and DeJuan Blair being the first two off the bench and you've got something special there.

Just to think a summer or so back we were very close to getting Maggette until the Spurs Warriors (Who were loaded around that position) offered him a little more and he goes there to lose :( Spurs had him pretty much until that.

If we get Maggette that summer we don't get Rich last year and we are a better team with alot less salary :depressed:depressed. Oh the near misses of the Spurs, that one still stings.

[Sean Cagney]

Just throwing this out there. How about trading RMJ, McDyss, Finley for Tracy McGrady? At least in the trade meter it worked. I think Tmac would be a better fit than RJ.

He would be a better fit than RJ, but RMJ and Dyess too? Who the heck do we have then sides Tim who is tall who plays? Ratliff? Ian? They get no time out there, Blair is a small PF. If we got rid of all three would we really be better just because we got rid of RJ? I doubt it.

[HarlemHeat37]

I would still do the Thomas trade right now..try to get him for expiring contracts, don't throw in Splitter at all, and try to avoid using a 1st round pick, although we might have to..

If he works out with the Spurs, then re-sign him and look to trade RJ's huge expiring contract in the Summer..there will be a lot of suitors for Jefferson next year, we can get some nice talent in return..it doesn't have to be a Maggette-Randolph combination, although that would be nice..there will be plenty of teams looking to move overpaid players with the impending cap situation..

[Blackjack]

How about the Spurs get in on the action?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjsk4f2


Then we can do this and we are set.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg98trv

Not bad, benefactor.

Sham called Wright to Memphis months ago and by all accounts, all the Griz have to do is say yes (which won't happen 'til the deadline, most likely).

I don't think it'd do much for this year but it's two nice pieces to evaluate, and it's a pretty feasible deal you've put together; decent move if it's all there really is to be had.:tu

[Blackjack]

Yeah, you don't send Splitter to CHI for Thomas.

But I'd have no problem sending him to GS with RJ for Maggette and Randolph, and giving up the first-rounder and expirings to CHI for the Thomas-Salmons package. (All the rationale's on the previous page..)

[mountainballer]

Magic men: Two league sources said the Magic is one of many teams the Bulls have talked to in their attempts to pare payroll before the Feb. 18 trade deadline. Guard Anthony Johnson has an expiring contract and the Bulls are making John Salmons and Tyrus Thomas available to any takers.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0210-bits-bulls-pacers-chicago--20100209,0,894040.story


not really news, but the first time I saw the Magic mentioned explicitly in "our" trade.
however, the Spurs could make the better offer when it comes to expirings and also the better offer when the 2010 1st rounder comes into discussion.
but as mentioned, the Bulls talk to many teams and I'm sure that includes the Spurs. it's also more and more obvious, that the Bulls have put a TT plus Salmons package on the market.

[Blackjack]

Who's to say you couldn't have both? :smokin

Just for entertainment's sake, what if the Spurs could pawn off RJ and Splitter for Maggette and Randolph (throw parts in from either side if you wish) and still had the expirings and a first-rounder, if needed, to acquire Thomas and Salmons?

I'm just spitballin', but Splitter to GS could give them a cheaper replacement for Biedrins, whom they could include in a separate deal to upgrade their roster, and they'd rid themselves of Maggette's contract; RJ's at least a name and someone that the fan base wouldn't be up in arms about acquiring. (he'd look much better in that offense)

The Spurs get one of the most improved players in the league this year and a guy who's suited to be a nice 6th Man moving forward; he's an upgrade to RJ this year (going out on a limb there, Blackjack) and I wouldn't vomit as profusely with him at the 4. But the key to this would be the acquisition of Randolph, someone who could be a franchise-level player down the road, and someone the Spurs wouldn't likely have the opportunity of acquiring under normal circumstances; losing Splitter would be a small price to pay, imo, if it's to acquire someone of Randloph's ilk.

If the Spurs still had the assets for the Thomas-Salmons deal, it'd be virtually the same rationale on the basketball court for this year and for the evaluation purposes of next year. You'd have Hill, Blair, Randolph, Thomas (should they see him worthy) and Hairston as your developing youth and good assets to mix and match, which would negate the loss of a first-round pick (should it be required in this trade).

It's not real well-thought, just kinda typing stream of conscience, but it's seemingly feasible and, at the very least, shoot-the-shit worthy...


That's a bit of a stretch. Somewhat realistic, but a stretch.

I moved around some things and came up with a little bit better proposal IMO. It kind of makes sense if Spurs throw a 1st round pick to the Bulls and throw Splitter to the Warriors.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygjnxwu

What do you think, mountainballer?

[Thompson]

I'm pretty sure we can't trade our 2010 first rounder because we already traded away our 2009 first rounder; you can't trade consecutive 1st round picks.

[objective]

I'm pretty sure we can't trade our 2010 first rounder because we already traded away our 2009 first rounder; you can't trade consecutive 1st round picks.

he's right folks.

btw, the last bit of news on Warriors boards about Randolph that I read is Nelson ripped him on the radio for being injured and instead of being behind the bench in a sportcoat was spending games out at clubs. Now the Warriors have a fine schedule in place for hurt players not being at games when they're not under doctor's orders to stay away.

I'm sure Pop would looooooove that.

[jermaine]

Can we trade Jefferson& Finely for Peja

[Blackjack]

I'm pretty sure we can't trade our 2010 first rounder because we already traded away our 2009 first rounder; you can't trade consecutive 1st round picks.


The "Ted Stepien Rule":

Teams are restricted from trading away future first round draft picks in consecutive years.

The Stepien rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 2005-06 season, then a team can trade its 2006 first round pick without regard to whether they had traded their 2005 pick, since their 2005 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can't trade away both their 2006 and 2007 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years.

Looks doable to me...

[objective]

guess i was wrong about the picks.

[DPG21920]

Do any of you honestly see the Spurs making a deal like the ones being discussed? I see them just trying to play the year out as is and evaluate things in the off season.

[Juanobili]

The sad truth is RJ is here to stay. No team wants him and his contract.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't really care anymore about a deal TBH..I'm just waiting until the Summer, with RJ's expiring contract and Splitter potentially joining the team, we have upside..

I would still like to see a deal for Thomas, but I won't be upset it nothing happens..

[Blackjack]

When do the Spurs ever make a deal we discuss?

This is for entertainment purposes (and the ability to tell the Spurs' front office what kind of morons they were for not heeding our "expert" advice to save their "franchise"; okay, so quotes on the franchise was uncalled for and, really. . . didn't make much sense. It felt right at the time? :hat).

[DPG21920]

I just meant in general. Not necessarily an actual trade we have discussed, but one with similar logic (or not). March on.

[5in10]

It would be so funny to see the spurs pull one of the outlandish trades discussed here.

[MaNu4Tres]

It would be so funny to see the spurs pull one of the outlandish trades discussed here.


When do the Spurs ever make a deal we discuss?



http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85966

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124681

Not that it matters who it came from. But a lot of us can come up with scenario's that I guarantee Spurs FO is interested in.

[Blackjack]

I think a move will be made, actually.

To the extent of which, I'm not quite certain. But the words of Pop and the general malaise that's set over this team, leads me to believe they'll look for something, even if to just get a little fresh air into the locker room; they could just move RJ's home, with him in it, to a very clandestine locale...

[Blackjack]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85966

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124681

Not that it matters who it came from. But a lot of us can come up with scenario's that I guarantee Spurs FO is interested in.

Ya know, I thought of you and the RJ trade the minute I posted that.:lol

[Obstructed_View]

When do the Spurs ever make a deal we discuss?

This is for entertainment purposes (and the ability to tell the Spurs' front office what kind of morons they were for not heeding our "expert" advice to save their "franchise"; okay, so quotes on the franchise was uncalled for and, really. . . didn't make much sense. It felt right at the time? :hat).

:lmao

[MaNu4Tres]

Ya know, I thought of you and the RJ trade the minute I posted that.:lol

I wasn't trying to point that out. My point is there is a lot of knowledgeable posters like yourself, that come up with realistic proposals that the Spurs and their trading partner(s) would really consider.

At the same time, there's proposals from some posters that don't make any sense.

Anything can happen and most likely will at the deadline as teams try to milk every ounce of value in the offers they receive til the last day.

[Blackjack]

I wasn't trying to point that out. My point is there is a lot of knowledgeable posters like yourself, that come up with realistic proposals that the Spurs and their trading partner(s) would really consider.

At the same time, there's proposals from some posters that don't make any sense.

Anything can happen and most likely will at the deadline as teams try to milk every ounce of value in the offers they receive til the last day.

Nah, I got you, man.:tu

I just remembered giving credit to Bruno for the RJ proposal and thinking the response it garnered from you was some kind of joke; I failed to view the OP (you'll see if you read the thread...)

My mind's a steel trap, son.:lol

[lefty]

Pop walked in the Spurs locker room


"We are not going to make any trade before the deadline; the savior is in this room "


Then everybody laughed

[MaNu4Tres]

I really think standing pat would be the absolute worst decision this front office can make.

There's several proposals that make sense that would upgrade the quality of our roster 8-10.

If we don't make a move to upgrade the quality of our players 8-10, then the Spurs should just rebuild and put Manu, McDyess, Mason, Bonner on the market to contenders and see if we can get picks and young prospects in return.imo Then next year do the same with Jefferson and possibly Parker.

For some odd reason, I have a feeling Houston will outbid Spurs for Manu if we were to stand pat. Leaving us with less assets to rebuild off of. ( It's Manu's last lucrative contract, money will matter. Just about half the league will be under the cap and only a handful of max first-tier free agents. Money will be there for Manu.)

[ElNono]

Do not underestimate the FO.

This is a FO/coaching staff that believe that Michael Finley not only has something left in the tank, he has enough to give us 15 mins a game over guys like Mason/Hairston/Ian...

[5in10]

I think a move will be made, actually.

To the extent of which, I'm not quite certain. But the words of Pop and the general malaise that's set over this team, leads me to believe they'll look for something, even if to just get a little fresh air into the locker room; they could just move RJ's home, with him in it, to a very clandestine locale...

haha so he's the genius that brought in rj?!:depressed

[RodNIc91]

Timvp:

How do you know randolph has the potential you are saying? What is his game like I havent seen much of him even before the injury

[ChumpDumper]

So it's been a week since this started.

Looks like we were not really close to a deal.

[HarlemHeat37]

I guess Sacramento's announcer was playing with our emotions..

[MaNu4Tres]

I guess we all just wasted a lot of our valuable time...

[HarlemHeat37]

True..instead of discussing a trade in this thread, we could have had more traffic in one of the other threads!..

[Blackjack]

Yeah, this thread's lame.

I suggest we start another one where we can discuss it's lameness and morph into more trade speculation; or maybe we should start two separate threads for that?

I think I'll start a thread with a poll to find out which way to go...

[murpjf88]

Yeah, Sacramento announcers have nothing better to do than torment and antagonize the spurstalk forum. Its probably more realistic that you read into something that just wasn't their. Too bad it took 49 pages to figure it out.

[ace3g]

Yeah, Sacramento announcers have nothing better to do than torment and antagonize the spurstalk forum. Its probably more realistic that you read into something that just wasn't their. Too bad it took 49 pages to figure it out.

how did we read into something that wasn't there, when the Kings announcer, who works in the front office said before the tip, "the Spurs are close to a trade that would bring in a back up PG and a Forward, and their rotations might change due to the trade"

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL @ the usual stupidity from Smurf..

A lot of us heard it, as you can see in this thread, and Sacramento's announcer FLAT-OUT SAID that the Spurs are in the process of completing a trade..LOL @ "read into something that wasn't there"..

[murpjf88]

LOL @ the usual stupidity from Smurf..

A lot of us heard it, as you can see in this thread, and Sacramento's announcer FLAT-OUT SAID that the Spurs are in the process of completing a trade..LOL @ "read into something that wasn't there"..

Well, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black. Some more protagonistic tunnel vision supplied by Harlemheat37. To take the Sacramento announcer's statements at face value is stupidity in itself.

Where would Announcers from Sacramento get secret information that insiders in the Spurs organization are unaware of, or for that matter anyone outside the organization is aware of? The Spurs don't let trade talks slip out to the media.

On the contrary, if the Spurs make a move, it will be done much closer to the February 18th deadline.

The thread speculation has gotten completely out of control and while some have posted plausible trade scenarios, I doubt the spurs organization seriously discussed or would consider pulling the trigger on any of them.

Oh, and even though you consider this another personal attack on you, it wasn't. Oh, and yeah, I heard it too.. what was it, a week ago? Still waiting.

[ace3g]

the announcer works for the Kings front office so would have inside information about league trades

[Amuseddaysleeper]

It's OK, we all heard the same thing.

It's just frustrating that this thread has gone on for so long yet no info on any potential trades that the Spurs actually might be onto. The Spurs might be looking into Tyrus Thomas, but Pop would play a screwed up rotation anyway.

[ElNono]

One week to go...

[Blackjack]

Hey, Kori or timvp...

Would you mind changing the title of the thread to "Trade Speculation" or some such; I'd 'preciate being able to speculate on the speculatin' with my speculators, without having to hear how people can't can't stand us speculatin' on the speculation.

Peace, love and Baby Jebus...

[HarlemHeat37]

It's funny because IF a trade happens, there's obviously going to be another thread about it..so the complaining is kind of stupid IMO..

[Blackjack]

I'm never going to let this thread die . . .:smokin

[murpjf88]

Hey, Kori or timvp...

Would you mind changing the title of the thread to "Trade Speculation" or some such; I'd 'preciate being able to speculate on the speculatin' with my speculators, without having to hear how people can't can't stand us speculatin' on the speculation.

Peace, love and Baby Jebus...

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124967&highlight

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145901&highlight

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144988&highlight

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143456&highlight

Does this help much?

[timtonymanu]

The way the Kings announced the trade rumor sounded legit so that's why this is 49 pages. But seriously I can start a thread right now about how the Spurs are trying to acquire Kendrick Perkins and people will make the thread hot. it's just what happens on spurstalk.

[rayray2k8]

Better to have this thread up then to have all these made up trade proposals threads, cluttering the forum.. Right?

[timtonymanu]

better to have this thread up then to have all these made up trade proposals threads, cluttering the forum.. Right?

+ 1

[exstatic]

I've been saying this forever. It seems less likely.

Both Brand and Iggy's contracts are horrible AND long. You'd be delaying the post-Duncan rebuild by 2 years. Neither of these guys is someone you build a team around. Iggy has proven to be a clear Pippin sidekick type miscast (and grossly overpaid) in a leading role, and Brand is little more than a gimpy role player now. If you guys hate RJ, you'll hate BOTH of these guys in black and silver.

[djgruvy]

Do you all think the front office will pull off a trade? It's just too quiet....

[Mr. Body]

Wow, I'm glad someone brought this up.

[Cane]

Dibs on his Spurstalk cash.

[davi78239]

I say that the chances are really high but then again, I wouldn't be surprised if they stand pat. Look for it to be a Kurt Thomas type trade and not anything blockbuster. We'll see.

[murpjf88]

Spurs are still feeling the after affects of the RJ trade. Another blockbuster might be too much of a shock to the system. But, I expect them to make a move of some sort.

[Blackjack]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124967&highlight

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145901&highlight

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144988&highlight

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143456&highlight

Does this help much?


In a word: you have no belly button...

[Duncan2177]

Bleacher Report Rumor

NBA Trade Rumors: Potential Deals for All 30 Teams | Bleacher Report

The Spurs aren't going to abandon ship with Richard Jefferson, even though he has disappointed so far. Only a trade for a big man would be feasible at this point.
Spurs acquire: Kurt Thomas, C
Bucks acquire: Roger Mason, SG
Spurs get an extra big man who has experience playing in San Antonio.
The Bucks get a great shooter who can make up for a portion of Michael Redd's points per game

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/339387-nba-trade-deadline-rumors-and-potential-deals-for-all-30-teams#page/28

[Ditty]

please no this isnt going to improve nothing

[Interrohater]

ah..... what? You have got to be kidding me. This is all we could have gotten for Mason?

[5in10]

makes sense,but still disappointing.