Official Trade Deadline Speculation Thread

[DesignatedT]

This is just some made up shit.

[HarlemHeat37]

It isn't a rumor, it's a guy speculating on trades..he's in High School..

It's the equivalent of taking any trade talk from Spurs Talk minus the logic..

[davi78239]

God Please No! I'd much rather get Brent Barry Back

[TJastal]

Popovich loves his small ball lineups, that is one thing we can all agree on right? This is exactly why Thomas is the perfect acquisition.

For those of you that think Popovich would stubbornly refuse to Tyrus Thomas instead of his small ball lineups w/ Jefferson @ PF .. I ask.. why the hell wouldn't he?

Thomas is a tweener 6'8 (just the type that Pop likes to use at that PF) BUT
who can play much bigger around the rim because of his athleticism and wingspan. I think he would use Thomas alot in this aspect. Thomas' defense presence around the rim would be a HUGE upgrade over Jefferson and even Pop should be able to figure this out (might take a couple weeks but he would).

That's also why Camby is not the answer regardless of Pop's small ball love or not. Camby is getting up there in age and career minutes. His athleticism is on the decline and he is not what the spurs need even if Pop hated small ball. But given Pop's penchant he is 100% unequivocably NOT the answer. If Mahinmi and Ratliff cannot impress Pop enough to garner minutes, "cotton camby" won't either.

I am just finishing up watching the blazers' game from last week and all I can say is this game was easily winnable and should have been won but for Pop using small ball again in the 4th quarter. When Duncan rests, and Pop uses his standby small ball w/ Blair and Jefferson as the frontcourt this team just gets pounded by penetration and points in the paint. It's clear Pop is not going to change this strategy, so why not get the piece (Thomas) that can make it actually start working?

If I was the spurs' F.O. I would be going after Thomas balls to the wall, and not even losing Splitter would deter me from getting this deal done.

[CGD]

The Spurs need to consider a trade that would bring in a player(s) who is what a friend refers to as "a nice thug." It sounds silly, but I think the point is well taken. The RJ trade was (at the time) viewed as a talent upgrade, but it also sent off the 3 players which the Spurs relied on to be the enforcers. Put another way, they were the guys that got under the oppositions' skin. For once, I would agree with Pop that we have a "soft" team.

Fab, Bruce, and Kurt (and the retired Horry) all had an element of "nastiness" to them which gave the Spurs character -- especially on the defensive end. If you go back even further, the Spurs were very dynamic when they had Jax, Jaren Jackson, and Mario Ellie for the same reason. While I don't like the baggage of TT, I think he may bring in that missing element.

[timvp]

How about this trade:

Richard Jefferson and Mahinmi to the Kings for Nocioni and Kenny Thomas? RJ and Nocioni have bad contracts ... but the Kings may like RJ's shorter contract. The Kings are one of the few teams that could potentially really gain by taking a look at Mahinmi. They're playing some scrubs at center (see: Armstrong, Hilton) so he should get time.

The Spurs need a tough guy and emotional leader. Nocioni fits that perfectly. I think Nocioni kinda sucks but at least he'd be a much, much better fit.

[TD 21]

How about this trade:

Richard Jefferson and Mahinmi to the Kings for Nocioni and Kenny Thomas? RJ and Nocioni have bad contracts ... but the Kings may like RJ's shorter contract. The Kings are one of the few teams that could potentially really gain by taking a look at Mahinmi. They're playing some scrubs at center (see: Armstrong, Hilton) so he should get time.

The Spurs need a tough guy and emotional leader. Nocioni fits that perfectly. I think Nocioni kinda sucks but at least he'd be a much, much better fit.

What is with the Nocioni obsession among Spurs fans? He's got an awful contract, his play is steadily declining and he was never that good to begin with. He's devoid of athleticism and his 3-point shooting is getting worse by the year.

This trade accomplishes/solves absolutely nothing and only lessens the Spurs overall talent level. Forget it.

[TJastal]

How about this trade:

Richard Jefferson and Mahinmi to the Kings for Nocioni and Kenny Thomas? RJ and Nocioni have bad contracts ... but the Kings may like RJ's shorter contract. The Kings are one of the few teams that could potentially really gain by taking a look at Mahinmi. They're playing some scrubs at center (see: Armstrong, Hilton) so he should get time.

The Spurs need a tough guy and emotional leader. Nocioni fits that perfectly. I think Nocioni kinda sucks but at least he'd be a much, much better fit.

Pop would just use Nocioni as the new small-ball PF. And he'd be worse than Jefferson in that role, and that's saying something.

[TJastal]

The Spurs need to consider a trade that would bring in a player(s) who is what a friend refers to as "a nice thug." It sounds silly, but I think the point is well taken. The RJ trade was (at the time) viewed as a talent upgrade, but it also sent off the 3 players which the Spurs relied on to be the enforcers. Put another way, they were the guys that got under the oppositions' skin. For once, I would agree with Pop that we have a "soft" team.

Fab, Bruce, and Kurt (and the retired Horry) all had an element of "nastiness" to them which gave the Spurs character -- especially on the defensive end. If you go back even further, the Spurs were very dynamic when they had Jax, Jaren Jackson, and Mario Ellie for the same reason. While I don't like the baggage of TT, I think he may bring in that missing element.

Wow, very nice point there. The "enforcers" they certainly were. I think you're on to something here.

[TJastal]

Remember the days RJ was on the nets, he had that "enforcer" mentality too. We saw flashes of that earlier in the year as well, in a few games at least. Then something happened.....

[TJastal]

C'mon Bruno

Thomas was a 4th pick in the draft. Even he lives up to half that potential the spurs will come out way ahead with him over a 19th or 20th pick in what is shaping up to be a craptastic draft.

[Ditty]

I thought the spurs cant trade the 1st pick 2 years in a row?

[mountainballer]

What do you think, mountainballer?

sorry missed this one.
hell yes, sure.
the problem? I think all GSW scenarios woulöd have been more promising 2 months ago. the situation there seems to have cooled down a bit. (at least fans are no longer booing Maggette). so, even if they are still in salary dump mode, they very likely no longer will bite on RJ. and I don't think they are that desperate to sacifice Randolph just to get Maggette out.
however, of the mentioned players I would take each one and be happy but first off I would be happy to ship RJ.
personally I think this trade is to complicated, especially because it would work streight in two seperated trades either. Spurs get to much talent back, even if the 2 other teams get what they wanted, they might ask themself if they want to be utilized as the Spurs rebuilding tools.

[Bruno]

How about this trade:

Richard Jefferson and Mahinmi to the Kings for Nocioni and Kenny Thomas?


It looks like you have fully given up on RJ.
I'm nowhere near that level and the idea to trade him for a 9/3 player shooting 40% and without a better contract makes me puke.

[TJastal]

sorry missed this one.
hell yes, sure.
the problem? I think all GSW scenarios woulöd have been more promising 2 months ago. the situation there seems to have cooled down a bit. (at least fans are no longer booing Maggette). so, even if they are still in salary dump mode, they very likely no longer will bite on RJ. and I don't think they are that desperate to sacifice Randolph just to get Maggette out.
however, of the mentioned players I would take each one and be happy but first off I would be happy to ship RJ.
personally I think this trade is to complicated, especially because it would work streight in two seperated trades either. Spurs get to much talent back, even if the 2 other teams get what they wanted, they might ask themself if they want to be utilized as the Spurs rebuilding tools.

This thread has gotten a little kooky w/ the pipe dream trade proposals. The Gasol for Kwame Brown type trades are reserved for Stern's flagship teams only.

[Blackjack]

sorry missed this one.
hell yes, sure.
the problem? I think all GSW scenarios woulöd have been more promising 2 months ago. the situation there seems to have cooled down a bit. (at least fans are no longer booing Maggette). so, even if they are still in salary dump mode, they very likely no longer will bite on RJ. and I don't think they are that desperate to sacifice Randolph just to get Maggette out.
however, of the mentioned players I would take each one and be happy but first off I would be happy to ship RJ.
personally I think this trade is to complicated, especially because it would work streight in two seperated trades either. Spurs get to much talent back, even if the 2 other teams get what they wanted, they might ask themself if they want to be utilized as the Spurs rebuilding tools.

It would be two separate trades, it was just put in a three-team format for the purposes of the trade machine.

GS would get RJ and Splitter for Maggette and Randolph

Chi. would get a combination of expirings and a first-rounder for Salmons and Thomas.

Tyrus is definitely starting to draw a decent amount of interest, so the asking price could seemingly escalate, but I think the Spurs could pull it off with the willingness to take Salmons.

GS I'm much more unsure of, it's just the trade I'm most hopeful for. It makes sense for them to take RJ in exchange for Maggette and acquire Splitter to be a cheaper alternative to Biedrins, whom they could move and fill another hole or pocket the savings, but I have no idea how realistic getting them to part with Randolph is; it's hard to imagine trading a talent like that when he's out for the rest of the year and his value isn't where it should be...

[MI21]

I'd rather keep Jefferson than have Nocioni. At least if, and it's like a 0.2% chance, Jefferson gets it together, he is a far superior player to Nocioni.

[objective]

RJ for Nocioni . . .

holy crap!

Nocioni fits this current floundering team like a pair of cement shoes. Better to just buy RJ out and ride Malik Hairston to the promised land, or the lottery, either way.

[HarlemHeat37]

That Nocioni trade would be horrible..

You guys don't think Jefferson's contract is going to be valuable in the Summer and beyond?..I'd rather just keep him and wait until the Summer and see what teams are offering for his huge expiring contract..TBH, I would be surprised if we can't get a solid return for him, there are going to be plenty of teams looking to dump salary with the impending CBA situation..

[timvp]

I like the idea of Nocioni if the Spurs are going to try to hold this team together a few more years. In a scenario where Manu gets a two-year extension, it makes sense. Trading for Nocioni doesn't make sense if the Spurs are going to go into some sort of rebuilding mode.

Why I like Nocioni:

-Spurs fans say they want toughness and an emotional leader? That's what Nocioni can bring.

-The Spurs are soft as Charmin right now. Losing Bowen has had a huge negative effect on the softness of this team. When an opposing team drives into the lane, they know that no one is going to do anything. With Nocioni on the court, at least there's a dirty player who will undercut you just for fun. Nocioni would automatically make this team not soft. Outside of Posey, he might be the dirtiest player in the league ... which the Spurs need right now.

-He's a legit small ball four. Pop isn't giving up on small ball anytime soon. Might as well acquire a player who can actually do what Pop wants when he goes small. Jefferson is an absolute disaster as a small ball four. Outside of Parker, there's no player on the roster who I'd like seeing less at PF.

-Nocioni's offense fits the Spurs' system. He's now just basically a spot up shooter. For the Spurs, that's fine. RJ's supposed ability to drive the ball to the hoop doesn't help this team the way it is made up.

-I don't think Nocioni would take a long time to learn the system. Manu already would have good chemistry with him and Nocioni being on the Argentine NT with their relatively similar sets is a good primer for Spurs Basketball.

-His contract is horrible but if he's acquired in an exchange for RJ, the savings next year would make it easier to afford Manu.

-And, yes, I've given up on RJ. His confidence is gone ... and it's getting worse. Good idea in theory. Bad fit in real life.

-While Nocioni's stats are worse than RJ's ... they are better on a per-minute basis. Nocioni can actually rebound. His FG and 3P percentages should rise with more open shots.




So, yeah, if the Spurs are going to keep this group together, I'd rather go down fighting with Nocioni than to continue this soft basketball with RJ. There's a chance Nocioni could spark this team and add some elements lost when Bowen retired. RJ? It'd be a slow death.

That said, all the above is moot if the Spurs are going to rebuild. Honestly, a rebuilding plan probably makes more sense ... though it'd be tough for fans to stomach.

[Blackjack]

RJ for Nocioni . . .

holy crap!

Nocioni fits this current floundering team like a pair of cement shoes. Better to just buy RJ out and ride Malik Hairston to the promised land, or the lottery, either way.

Ya know, I can't say I'd be against it...

[timvp]

Flipping RJ into Nocioni takes $8.2M off the books next year. That's a lot of got damn money in Holt dollars. Unless we think Holt is going to just keep spending and keep spending, that amount of money could be the difference in keeping Manu or bringing over Splitter.

Nocioni + $8.2M next year >>>>>>>>>>>>>> RJ

[HarlemHeat37]

I would hope that Holt can pay the tax for one last year next season..I know that it's very possible that he doesn't now that the Spurs have disappointed though..

If Jefferson's contract is flipped for an overpaid all-star caliber player or a few good pieces, we could be good again with a few other moves..

The amount of $ will depend on what we expect Splitter and Manu to get, assuming they both want to be Spurs next year..what kind of contract offers do you guys think these 2 would get from the Spurs?..

[objective]

That Nocioni trade would be horrible..

You guys don't think Jefferson's contract is going to be valuable in the Summer and beyond?

While I don't initially like a Nocioni trade, I don't think I've ever bought into the 'RJ's expiring will be valuable' theories. There's been plenty of expirings who just dangle and never get moved, like Raef Lafrentz. Golden State just outright bought out a $6 mil expiring in Claxton well before the trade deadline just to keep a d-leaguer on the roster. Who knows how the next CBA will affect trading next year by the deadline, especially with large deals like RJs.




-He's a legit small ball four. Pop isn't giving up on small ball anytime soon. Might as well acquire a player who can actually do what Pop wants when he goes small. Jefferson is an absolute disaster as a small ball four. Outside of Parker, there's no player on the roster who I'd like seeing less at PF.

...

That said, all the above is moot if the Spurs are going to rebuild. Honestly, a rebuilding plan probably makes more sense ... though it'd be tough for fans to stomach.

timvp, you have reasoned, fairly objective points.

But I have to disagree.

Mostly on the small ball four. Because Pop won't give up on it, I am completely confident that the window is now shut. I haven't watched Nocioni that much outside of Spurs games, but he's looked finished to me, and though he is dirty and scrappy, he just looked done in the games I watched. And while he'll put up more of a fight than RJ, he'll do as much damage as Finley at this point in his career as a smallball 4.

It's a losing formula.

I like that he would be good for Manu, and could free up cash to make sure Manu retires a Spur. But I have to think that if the Spurs really cared about getting another countryman for Manu to hang with they would have kept Scola, modest though his contract demands were.

So, to sum up my quick thoughts : trading for Nocioni to help the goal of winning a title : no

trading to let Manu retire with Tim : maybe

[Blackjack]

Chapu's contract isn't nearly as terrible as I thought it was; he's making less than half of what RJ makes next year and he's only guaranteed $6.65M the following. (TO his final year)

I'm with you on the intangibles, timvp, and I do think this is the type of move that could potentially ignite Manu. So I don't completely dismiss it

But in all honesty, I'm not sure how far his game has fallen off or what he has left. I just haven't paid that much attention to him this year. So I won't completely dismiss it and say it's a terrible idea, but I am skeptical.

I'd much rather see a Thomas-Salmons acquisition or the pipe dream that is Randolph-Maggette, but I'd be open to this if it's what's left to be had (RJ and his cancer has gots to go). . .

[Chieflion]

Chapu's contract isn't nearly as terrible as I thought it was; he's making less than half of what RJ makes next year and he's only guaranteed $6.65M the following. (TO his final year)

I'm with you on the intangibles, timvp, and I do think this is the type of move that could potentially ignite Manu. So I don't completely dismiss it

But in all honesty, I'm not sure how far his game has fallen off or what he has left. I just haven't paid that much attention to him this year. So I won't completely dismiss it and say it's a terrible idea, but I am skeptical.

I'd much rather see a Thomas-Salmons acquisition or the pipe dream that is Randolph-Maggette, but I'd be open to this if it's what's left to be had (RJ and his cancer has gots to go). . .
Anthony Randolph is apparently reported to be out for the rest of the season. I think he got his 1st year in the league hampered by injuries too. After next season, he needs to be signed to an extension, in case someone overpays for him which is another problem.

[timvp]

Holt supposedly is only willing to pay the lux tax this year and next year. Due to that, I don't think it's very likely the Spurs will trade RJ's contract for a similar contract that another team wants to salary dump. In a perfect world, yeah it makes sense. In a Holt world? I'd rather the Spurs play their cards now than hoping Holt will continue to want to pay more lux tax dollars down the line.

Plus after the abortion of this season, Holt may never sign off again. That should be one consideration when deciding whether to tank or play to win. Tanking would hurt the already fragile money streams. And, yeah, keeping RJ and doing nothing at the trade deadline at this point is basically tanking.


Again, if the Spurs want to blow this ship up, I'd understand. But to extend the window, they have to get creative. Praying Nocioni turns into a pale Mario Elie and opening up money to spend in the summer is better than status quo, IMO.

[Blackjack]

Anthony Randolph: $1,837,560 $1,965,720 (TO)$2,911,231 (PO)$4,049,523

[HarlemHeat37]

Either way, even if RJ can't bring a big return, I feel like we can do better than Nocioni..he's 30 years old and his contract has another few years on it..he's looked absolutely horrible in the games I've watched this year..

While I have also given up on Jefferson and I agree that Nocioni is tough and a good spot-up shooter, he just looks like he's almost done to me..

If we can't get a decent return on Jefferson, then it's probably time to rebuild IMO..

[objective]

Also, why would Sacramento want to take on the extra salary for next year?

The way I'm looking at their roster, after renouncing Hilton Armstrong and Sergio Rodriguez + cap holds they could offer a free agent a lot of money, maybe starting at $10 a year depending on where the cap is and if my math isn't too revolting (but I'm making no promises on that).

I haven't heard about them being even a modest player in free agency but looking at their salaries I don't see why they wouldn't be.

[timvp]

The amount of $ will depend on what we expect Splitter and Manu to get, assuming they both want to be Spurs next year..what kind of contract offers do you guys think these 2 would get from the Spurs?..

Something around $8.2 million :lol

Seriously though, if Manu continues at his current level, his next contract probably starts at $6-7 million. The Spurs will undoubtedly lowball Splitter by offering him a couple of million. I don't know how how the Spurs will go but I doubt they'd give him the full MLE.

Right now, I'd guess Manu = two years and $13-15 million .. Splitter = three years and $8-11 million.

[Blackjack]

Anthony Randolph is apparently reported to be out for the rest of the season. I think he got his 1st year in the league hampered by injuries too. After next season, he needs to be signed to an extension, in case someone overpays for him which is another problem.


Anthony Randolph:

'09-'10 - $1,837,560

'10-'11 - $1,965,720

'11-'12 - $2,911,231 (team option)

'12-'13 - $4,049,523 (player option)

Randolph is a long-term acquisition, the likes of which the Spurs would never have the opportunity of getting their hands on. He's a potential franchise-level player that has shades of Odom and Bosh; you don't shy away from talent like that, and especially when it's on a rookie contract...

[timvp]

Also, why would Sacramento want to take on the extra salary for next year?

The way I'm looking at their roster, after renouncing Hilton Armstrong and Sergio Rodriguez + cap holds they could offer a free agent a lot of money, maybe starting at $10 a year depending on where the cap is and if my math isn't too revolting (but I'm making no promises on that).

I haven't heard about them being even a modest player in free agency but looking at their salaries I don't see why they wouldn't be.

Yeah, that's the main reason why the Kings wouldn't do it. The hope from the other angle is that the Kings would want to instead try to open up salary cap room in the summer of 2011. That would give them enough time to really get up the cap ... perhaps by salary dumping Martin, Garcia and/or Beno in addition to Nocioni. In theory, the Kings could be major players in the summer of 2011 if they make the right moves. Plus, they'd have a quality stable of players on rookie contracts.

[TJastal]

Another few? Try 3 years. The spurs would be stuck with Nocioni until 2013 and paying this guy close to 7m a year.

I'm with you on this Harlemheat37

There is still ample time for Jefferson to turn things around here and even if he continues to suck and causes the spurs another 1st round exit, at least the spurs will have a giftwrapped 15m expiring contract to use this summer to shop around.

[timvp]

Another few? Try 3 years. The spurs would be stuck with Nocioni until 2013

Two years. 2012.

[objective]

Yeah, that's the main reason why the Kings wouldn't do it. The hope from the other angle is that the Kings would want to instead try to open up salary cap room in the summer of 2011. That would give them enough time to really get up the cap ... perhaps by salary dumping Martin, Garcia and/or Beno in addition to Nocioni. In theory, the Kings could be major players in the summer of 2011 if they make the right moves. Plus, they'd have a quality stable of players on rookie contracts.

true, and I know that the Maloofs may not be too keen on spending a lot of money this summer.

But 2011 carries it's own risks, particularly a lower cap. Any money that could have been used in 2010 without RJ could turn into much less after RJ.

[jjktkk]

Chapu's contract isn't nearly as terrible as I thought it was; he's making less than half of what RJ makes next year and he's only guaranteed $6.65M the following. (TO his final year)

I'm with you on the intangibles, timvp, and I do think this is the type of move that could potentially ignite Manu. So I don't completely dismiss it

But in all honesty, I'm not sure how far his game has fallen off or what he has left. I just haven't paid that much attention to him this year. So I won't completely dismiss it and say it's a terrible idea, but I am skeptical.

I'd much rather see a Thomas-Salmons acquisition or the pipe dream that is Randolph-Maggette, but I'd be open to this if it's what's left to be had (RJ and his cancer has gots to go). . .

I like the Thomas-Salmons trade as well. Having those 2 would really improve the Spurs over-all defense while getting younger and more athletic as well. It would seem that The Spurs could realistically make this happen.

[timvp]

true, and I know that the Maloofs may not be too keen on spending a lot of money this summer.

But 2011 carries it's own risks, particularly a lower cap. Any money that could have been used in 2010 without RJ could turn into much less after RJ.

The Kings may want to wait until the next CBA to decide how to proceed.

Then again, Holt is likely telling the Spurs that exact thing ... and could be part of the reason why he signed off on a two-year free for all. In the CBA negotiations, Holt can now use the "I was forced to go into the luxury tax just to keep my team competitive and I lost $30 million in doing so" card.

*removes tinfoil hat*

[Blackjack]

Another few? Try 3 years. The spurs would be stuck with Nocioni until 2013 and paying this guy close to 7m a year.

Nocioni (guaranteed money):

'09-'10 - $7,500,000

'10-'11 - $6,850,000

'11-12 - $6,650,000

Jefferson:

'09-'10 - $14,200,000

'10-11 - $15,200,000

You were saying . . .

[timvp]

Nocioni (guaranteed money):

'09-'10 - $7,500,000

'10-'11 - $6,850,000

'11-12 - $6,650,000

Jefferson:

'09-'10 - $14,200,000

'10-11 - $15,200,000

You were saying . . .

The Spurs could get 2 and a half years of Nocioni for what they'd pay RJ just next season . . .

[timvp]

Oh and Blackjack, I can't find where you asked me but yeah I'd sign off on just about any deal that brings in Ty Thomas and Randolph. That would immediately make the Spurs one of the most athletic teams in the league and give them possible rebuilding pieces.

[objective]

Another con for Sacramento : Would they want to risk RJ's softness affecting the young guys who actually play hard? They're already risking things with Beno. Adding RJ to the mix could be like feeding Superman a kryptonite puffy taco.

[objective]

The Spurs could get 2 and a half years of Nocioni for what they'd pay RJ just next season . . .

Hell they can get 15 years of Malik Hairston for what they're paying RJ.

I'd rather have the 15.

Maybe Pop can beg Lute to move to SA to baby RJ . . . could be the only way to salvage anything.

[Blackjack]

The question for me, sadly, isn't Chapu or RJ, it's if Nocioni's the best way to go (I'm actually fond of objective's "buy RJ out and ride Malik Hairston to the promised land, or the lottery. . ." when faced with the prospect of more RJ)

I'm much more open to Nocioni now that I've actually looked at the numbers, though.

[HarlemHeat37]

So do you guys just not think that Jefferson's contract can get us anything next year, or do you think that Holt just wouldn't want to pay somebody RJ type money for some extra years?(especially with the cba situation)..

[timvp]

Hell they can get 15 years of Malik Hairston for what they're paying RJ.

I'd rather have the 15. Yeah but he's still about eight years away from beginning to gray . . .


Maybe Pop can beg Luke to move to SA to baby RJ . . . could be the only way to salvage anything.

Fixed. :hat

[Blackjack]

Oh and Blackjack, I can't find where you asked me but yeah I'd sign off on just about any deal that brings in Ty Thomas and Randolph. That would immediately make the Spurs one of the most athletic teams in the league and give them possible rebuilding pieces.

:tu

Smart fella'.

Randolph needs the Spurs and their structure almost as much as they need his bridge to the future. . .

[objective]

So do you guys just not think that Jefferson's contract can get us anything next year, or do you think that Holt just wouldn't want to pay somebody RJ type money for some extra years?(especially with the cba situation)..

I don't think it's worth much, or rather, worth enough to count on it as an asset.

And just to repeat myself, Raef Lafrentz was a massive expiring, never moved. Speedy Claxton was a $6 mil expiring flat out cut by Golden State, they didn't even wait for the deadline.

The Spurs themselves have totals of a fair amount of expirings . . . and what do the reports read? That in order to get a disappointing problem-child a one-year rental by paying the qualifying offer they'd still have to give up a first round pick or the rights to someone considered one of the best centers in Europe.

I wouldn't count on him being too valuable as a trade chip. But that's just me.

[jjktkk]

So do you guys just not think that Jefferson's contract can get us anything next year, or do you think that Holt just wouldn't want to pay somebody RJ type money for some extra years?(especially with the cba situation)..

No, It definitely would be easier to move Jefferson's contract next year. The only way the Spurs could realistically move Jefferson this year IMO, would be to trade/exchange Jefferson for a player with as big of contract. Like, for example Jefferson for Maggette. Just an example, I don't know exactly how much Maggette is making this year, but something similar along those lines.

[HarlemHeat37]

I think I'd just rather stand pat and work with what we have, but only accept a trade if there's a potential future piece like Thomas involved..

This team should really start thinking about the future in some form..

[Blackjack]

In all honesty, when you really look how the books were set up, there's a definite game plan, and the history of this organization, under this leadership, doesn't lead you to believe there will be much deviation; the departure in fiscal conservatism was most likely that. A departure, not a new line of thinking.

So unless they're capitalizing on a Randolph-type acquisition, one that bears long-term fruit and can net a basketball and financial gain on the back end, it's hard to imagine them taking on any significant salary past '11.

Given the kind of comments and body language from Pop recently, this reality just might be the cause; it's highly likely they're stuck with RJ and a flawed team. . .

[mountainballer]

this thread started with a statement from a Kings FO member, right?
people asked: how does he know.
the simple answer was: if Kings were involved in trade talks, he does know.
he said: a forward and a back up PG.
Nocioni is a forward and Rodriguez is a back up PG.
so, even if it's still purs speculation, it's something that could have been. didn't materialize, for whatever reason, maybe the typical waiting for the last minute in hope for a better deal, could still be on the table.
Nocioni wouldn't save any of the Spurs troubles. (and I have been a fan for many years)
but getting rid of RJ meanwhile looks like an improvement by substraction.

[HarlemHeat37]

I understand that getting rid of Jefferson would save some money(I also agree that it could be addition by subtraction), but I just hate Nocioni's game right now, and adding another player that I dislike(Rodriguez) would make it even more unattractive for me..

Getting Nocioni would be a Spurs-like trade though, from a personnel standpoint..

[Blackjack]

Definitely Spurs-like ("lose the paperwork" when he's young, acquire him when he's old and busted).:smokin

[TJastal]

this thread started with a statement from a Kings FO member, right?
people asked: how does he know.
the simple answer was: if Kings were involved in trade talks, he does know.
he said: a forward and a back up PG.
Nocioni is a forward and Rodriguez is a back up PG.
so, even if it's still purs speculation, it's something that could have been. didn't materialize, for whatever reason, maybe the typical waiting for the last minute in hope for a better deal, could still be on the table.
Nocioni wouldn't save any of the Spurs troubles. (and I have been a fan for many years)
but getting rid of RJ meanwhile looks like an improvement by substraction.

That sounds plausible. I wonder though, who the spurs had in mind to trade? Can't be RJ makes far more than Noc+Rodriguez.

[TJastal]

Unless they consider Beno a "backup"..

[TJastal]

Beno+Noc for Jefferson does indeed work in the trade machine.

Could we be prepping for a return of BEAN-O?

:lol

[timvp]

Beno+Noc for Jefferson does indeed work in the trade machine.

Could we be prepping for a return of BEAN-O?

:lol

No.

[DAF86]

No.

No as in that trade won't happen or no as in I don't want that bitch back, or both.

[timvp]

No as in that trade won't happen or no as in I don't want that bitch back, or both.

Both ... and any other meaning that means Beno doesn't return.

[timvp]

BTW, thread title changed. Good idea :tu

[timtonymanu]

this thread will be very useful on trade deadline day.

[Spursfanfromafar]

How about this trade:

Richard Jefferson and Mahinmi to the Kings for Nocioni and Kenny Thomas? RJ and Nocioni have bad contracts ... but the Kings may like RJ's shorter contract. The Kings are one of the few teams that could potentially really gain by taking a look at Mahinmi. They're playing some scrubs at center (see: Armstrong, Hilton) so he should get time.

The Spurs need a tough guy and emotional leader. Nocioni fits that perfectly. I think Nocioni kinda sucks but at least he'd be a much, much better fit.

If you are looking at something that bad.. why wouldn't you try poking the Dubs and pry Maggette and Raja Bell for Jefferson and Mahinmi?

[venitian navigator]

Nocioni and Rodriguez forr our expirings (Mason, Finley, Bonner) works...and makes sense for this season, considering Hill is playing more guard than play maker, and that Noce is a good hustling guy, that we desperately need...maybe for making him start instead of Jefferson, giving so to RJ a more appropriate role like a 6/7th man...

Looking in another perspective, if we decide to tank and make trades for rebuilding, manu could be a player woth a lot of attention from teamsd that are one step away from becoming contenders...and that could give us a lot of value for their missing piece.

For example, I'll give them Manu for their (NY) first round next year and any combination of players they already aren't going to play this year in play offs or sign next year (Brewer, Koufos and Korver + ch. for Manu and Ratliff works....)

[Bruno]

this thread started with a statement from a Kings FO member, right?
people asked: how does he know.
the simple answer was: if Kings were involved in trade talks, he does know.
he said: a forward and a back up PG.


If it was a trade with Kings, I doubt he would have said what he said.

Either he would have said nothing or would have said that both teams could be shorthanded because of trade talks.

[MaNu4Tres]

This trade scenario was brought up yesterday. What do you think?


That's a bit of a stretch. Somewhat realistic, but a stretch.

I moved around some things and came up with a little bit better proposal IMO. It kind of makes sense if Spurs throw a 1st round pick to the Bulls and throw Splitter to the Warriors.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygjnxwu


Reasons why Warriors and Bulls would do the trade:


Giving them Splitter is the kind of incentive that makes a trade like this plausible.

GS is desperately trying to shed salary and if the Spurs could take Maggette's contract off their hands and give them a cheaper replacement that could allow them to shed Biedrins $9M(?) in a separate trade, that makes sense/cents.

Splitter's a solid player and would contribute right away, but he's pretty much reached his ceiling and doesn't bring the long-term potential of a guy like Randolph; there's always a give and take.


Not to mention Bulls would clear up some extra cap space, putting them at roughly 31 million in salary for next year. This would make them a bigger player in free agency this summer.

Also replacing Salmons for Mason/Bell and Thomas for Bonner isn't a significant fall-off in terms of production. That is if they valued getting players in return to help them compete in the playoffs this year.

So in all: Bulls shed Salmons off the books, get expirings in return that could actually contribute for the rest of the year, get to be big players in the best free agent market in the past 10 years, and get a 1st round pick on top of that.

[timvp]

Nocioni and Rodriguez forr our expirings (Mason, Finley, Bonner) works

I wouldn't do Nocioni for expirings. I'd rather that ~$13 million go elsewhere. The main reason why I like the RJ for Nocioni trade is that it makes financial sense for the Spurs. You swap a SF who should fit better and you gain more than $8 million in flexibility this summer.

[MaNu4Tres]

I wouldn't do Nocioni for expirings. I'd rather that ~$13 million go elsewhere. The main reason why I like the RJ for Nocioni trade is that it makes financial sense for the Spurs. You swap a SF who should fit better and you gain more than $8 million in flexibility this summer.

I don't think Kings value R.J and his 15 million next year to any degree because of the play of Casspi and the strides Donte Green has made this year. They are fine at the small forward position. (Hence the two getting more playing time than Nocioni this year.)

[Dro210]

I would personally hate to get Nocioni... it seems more depressing than just not doing anything at all.

and ManuTres... that trade you proposed, not that I think it has any chance, but that would be unreal. I'd be like a kid on Christmas if I woke up and heard that trade happened.

[Darkwaters]

I don't think it's worth much, or rather, worth enough to count on it as an asset.

And just to repeat myself, Raef Lafrentz was a massive expiring, never moved. Speedy Claxton was a $6 mil expiring flat out cut by Golden State, they didn't even wait for the deadline.


Not so much. He was actually involved in the Baron Davis trade from New Orleans. He wasn't cut at all. In fact, the Hornets wanted to keep him two seasons later but instead opted to sign Bobby Jackson instead for his 3 point shooting...didn't work out so well.

Then he went to Atlanta and his career died.

[MaNu4Tres]

I would personally hate to get Nocioni... it seems more depressing than just not doing anything at all.

and ManuTres... that trade you proposed, not that I think it has any chance, but that would be unreal. I'd be like a kid on Christmas if I woke up and heard that trade happened.

If Warriors are serious about shedding salary ( They would be saving roughly 18 million in the deal) and if Holt signed off on Maggette's 3 years 31 million dollars remaining, it is realistic for the reasons Blackjack and I stated IMO. You'd have to include a 1st and Splitter though if your the Spurs.

[Dro210]

If Warriors are serious about shedding salary and if Holt signed off on Maggette's 3 years 31 million dollars remaining, it is realistic for the reasons Blackjack and I stated. You'd have to include a 1st and Splitter though if your the Spurs.

Yea, I'm not denying it's a possibility.... but I'm not gonna get my hopes up or anything... it's more like a perfect scenario.

If Holt wouldn't sign off on that deal, after committing to go all in.... then he's already drunk himself retarded from watching RJ stink up the joint.

[spurspokesman]

I wouldn't do Nocioni for expirings. I'd rather that ~$13 million go elsewhere. The main reason why I like the RJ for Nocioni trade is that it makes financial sense for the Spurs. You swap a SF who should fit better and you gain more than $8 million in flexibility this summer.

On another note I think nocioni would kick up some dust in sa if given the minutes. The ones you say hell no to come in and make u eat crow. Weird but true. Can't be worse than rj. At the worse you salvage payroll.

[SpurNation]

The next 10 days are going to be like a kid waiting to open a X-mas gift.

Expectations running high to see what we get. Hopefully not disappointed when unwrapped.

I've probably seen more trade scenarios this year than any other. I'm now to the point of just get it done (or not) so we can just move on.

But thanks to everyone for posting some good ideas and even the dream deals that won't ever happen. Looking forward to reading more. I'm out of ideas.

[Rogue]

Unlike the condition Mavs are situated at, the Spurs used to win multiple championships rather than only one in the past years and they have maintained their pedestal on which their dynasty was based. Although some of the old sailors have left or retired like Bowen, Oberto, Robert Horry etc... their occupations mostly have been found successors with the only exception of a defensive specialist. That's why I've been advocating a trade for Shane Battier who's an established all-round defender and plays identical style of game Bowen did.

[ace3g]

I just tried Nocioni for Jefferson straight up in the ESPN NBA trade machine and it didn't work, the Kings would need to add another player to get closer to RJ's contract

[portnoy1]

A possible trade is to get Troy Murphy from the Pacers. He is 6-11 rebounds and shoots well (Including 3ptrs). Pop plays small ball because of what he misses with Robert Horry. Horry could spread the floor as well as make an impact on the defensive end. RJ/Finley/Bogans have the mobility to stay with a PF. But they cant defend them in the post. Bonner is a big who can shoot the 3, but is a terrible rebounder and has horrendous footspeed. Murphy will stop Pop from playing small ball. If you notice Pop will leave, Duncan/Blair/Ratliff/Dice at the Center with 4 perimeter players. He never leaves Bonner at the 5, by himself. Murphy can play defend the 4 spot (which duncan cant defend) and spread the floor for Duncan/Parker on offense. It would cost the spurs expirings but thats its, the Pacers want to clear space for 2010 FA's.

PG - Parker/Manu
SG - Bogans/Hill
SF - RJ/Hairston
PF - Murphy/Blair/Mahinmi
C - Duncan/Dice/Ratliff

Then maybe a pick up or included in trade a SF for filler on the roster.

[CGD]

Remember the days RJ was on the nets, he had that "enforcer" mentality too. We saw flashes of that earlier in the year as well, in a few games at least. Then something happened.....

I don't think RJ will ever be that enforcer-type player for us. We need roles players that will make the hard foul (Kurt), crowd shooter as he goes up for a shot (Bruce), and willingly take charges (Fab). Our addition of the summer --RJ, Dice, and Blair (for now anyway) -- have be too "nice."

The players I'm talking about make other teams focus more on what they are doing and the refs, instead of the bigger flow of the game. When the Spurs were clicking, the Suns were the prime victims of that, losing what I call the "game within the game."

[ElNono]

Nocioni has a lot of pride, but not a lot of game left. He was never a very smart player to begin with. He was singlehandedly the main guy taking ill-advised shots for Argentina (until Delfino came around). Now, if it would mean somebody taking on RJ's contract, then you have to think about it. I think Raja Bell would be about the same player/role as Noc, I just don't know how much it would cost to get him. They're both somewhat over the hill, but still bring some toughness/dirtyness to the team. I honestly think they would both help our team right now over what RJ is giving us.

[Blackjack]

Hey, Kori or timvp...

Would you mind changing the title of the thread to "Trade Speculation" or some such; I'd 'preciate being able to speculate on the speculatin' with my speculators, without having to hear how people can't stand us speculatin' on the speculation.

Peace, love and Baby Jebus...


BTW, thread title changed. Good idea :tu

That Blackjack's a bit of a douchie sonbitch, but he has his moments . . .:smokin

[HarlemHeat37]

Well to be fair, almost anybody would give us more than Jefferson is giving us..

[HarlemHeat37]

What about this trade?..

Spurs acquire: Malik Hairston and Ian Mahinmi..
The bench acquires: Michael Finely and Keith Bogans..

[SpurNation]

What about this trade?..

Spurs acquire: Malik Hairston and Ian Mahinmi..
The bench acquires: Michael Finely and Keith Bogans..

:rollin

[Baseline]

What about this trade?..

Spurs acquire: Malik Hairston and Ian Mahinmi..
The bench acquires: Michael Finely and Keith Bogans..

Love it.

Here's another one:

Spurs acquire: A coach who can reach his players
Civilian Population acquires: Gregg Popovich

[objective]

Not so much. He was actually involved in the Baron Davis trade from New Orleans. He wasn't cut at all. In fact, the Hornets wanted to keep him two seasons later but instead opted to sign Bobby Jackson instead for his 3 point shooting...didn't work out so well.

Then he went to Atlanta and his career died.

Yes so much, check the facts.

Check any Warriors board or blog, they're rioting over it. This all happened in the last 10 days, and there's double digit page threads going berzerk at letting go of what could be a trade commodity.

Claxton was from the Crawford trade with ATL this summer. Warriors fans are pissed because all they have to show for dumping Crawford is Anthony Tolliver.

[benefactor]

What about this trade?..

Spurs acquire: Malik Hairston and Ian Mahinmi..
The bench acquires: Michael Finely and Keith Bogans..
:tu :lol

[scottspurs]

My only hope is that if a trade goes down that is gets posted in this thread.

[dbestpro]

My only hope is that if a trade goes down that is gets posted in this thread.

There is about as much chance of that happening as it is Pop saying no more small ball.

[scottspurs]

There is about as much chance of that happening as it is Pop saying no more small ball.

:lol

[quentin_compson]

I don't know about Nocioni. Whenever I saw him play for the Kings this season, he was pretty bad in my opinion.
On the other hand, he obviously never was happy ending up in Sacramento (and didn't hesitate to call out pretty much the whole organisation just after he got there), so maybe playing for a team that, ehm, has a pretty decent chance to make the playoffs would change his attitude.

[jesterbobman]

I think that any trade should be focused on a title. If a trade makes us better, but less able to compete for a title for the next few years with Duncan(due to removing flexibility) it may not be worth it. It's not worth improving from 1st round fodder to Semis fodder. That said, a talent upgrade is a good thing.

I think most here would agree that our needs are a True Centre(While TD really plays there, we need someone to give him help, and Blair, McDyess Bonner are not true Centres). To get someone in that mould, you normally have to take a guy with a bad contract(Dalembert, etc), A guy in the coaches Doghouse(To a degree, Biedrins), get lucky in the draft, or get someone who is surplus to requirements. If we're not gonna win a title this year, Tiago may be the best option for a 2011 title run, as we don't have to give up anything to get him. If we could deal expiring's and Tiago(or 2011 1st) to the Warriors for Biedrins and try to squeeze out Randolph or Brandan Wright I'd do that. Get the one currently in the Nellie doghouse and pry. My dream trade would be Jefferson, Bonner/Mason, 2011 First, Mahinmi and Cash(3Million, enough to buy another pick.) I don't think the Warriors should do this, but you never know with them, it's also a big money saver, and Jefferson has been effective in a fast paced system before, and they shorten their commitment by 3 years. We take on two 3rd banana type guys at ~10 million a year, but hit refresh on the wing scorer. Huge talent upgrade, and I much prefer that to the Salmons/Ty Thomas idea.(Though that may be slightly more likely.) I'd even try to get Chicago involved, send Ty Thomas to GS and Mason to Chicago.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yghobmu

Assets Remaining
Ginobili(EC)
Parker
Bonner (EC)
Splitter Rights
Finley(EC)
Bogans (EC)
Ratliff(EC)

Team Post trade

Biedrins/McDyess/Ratliff
Duncan/Blair/Randolph/Bonner
Maggette/Finley/ Hairston
Manu/Bogans
Parker/Hill

A little thin in the back court. I'd be trying to flip the EC's of Bonner and Finley for a D and corner 3 guy(Possibly add them to the above trade to get Salmons), Trade with Splitter's rights to get Battier, Splitter Rights and 1 to get Thabo(If Thunder agree, C is point of Weakness but Thabo is outstanding Defensively, may not be worth it for them), or getting James Jones(Miami needs cap space, he has a bad contract), or anyone in a similar ilk would be great. I think that fills our needs, and helps us defensively, and a talent upgrade.

There are also decisions to be made on keeping Manu, and you won' get equal talent in a trade, but you could go young and get an additional asset(eg, Sacramento for K-Mart, pick up a pick or pry away one of their dissapointments and hedge him off to a team for a pick or asset(J. Thompson to Charlotte for Augustin, as an example. I'd keep Manu, but you have to look at options)

Just so you're all clear, I haven't heard rumours of these trades, they're made up. But I think there is some motivation for each team to do the GS-CHI trade, We'd probably do it, and it helps us. I'm sure they're skewed in SA favour, and another team could trump our offer, but they're at least(IMO) somewhat realistic, It's not in the Durant for Mason and Ratliff category.

[DaBears]

Maybe all of the SPURS fans in this great city do a rain dance sort of speak, the NBA gods and especially the SPURS FO will hear and shake things up...

[Thompson]

I'm hoping Spurs make a decent trade, maybe for Salmons.

In fact, the Spurs know that if they're playing dominant basketball, other teams will be hesitant to deal them good players and make them even more powerful, so maybe the Spurs have been playing rope-a-dope. Also, this perceived 'weak' competition from the Spurs will not compel their rivals to make lopsided trades to pass them; no more Gasol deals this year.

Immediately following the trade deadline, Mahinmi starts next to Duncan. The NBA is dumbfounded to see the Spurs have pulled David Robinson 2.0 from out of nowhere. Spurs go on to win 5 straight rings after LeBron realizes he has more money than he knows what to do with and signs up for the vet minimum.

I get a little carried away sometimes.

[jermaine]

Immediately following the trade deadline, Mahinmi starts next to Duncan. The NBA is dumbfounded to see the Spurs have pulled David Robinson 2.0 from out of nowhere. Spurs go on to win 5 straight rings after LeBron realizes he has more money than he knows what to do with and signs up for the vet minimum.


Lord I hope so. That bot is quick. An if any of you think the Spurs are goin to trade Manu your a damn fool. They put the ball in his hand almost everytime down the court

[duncan228]

Team-By-Team Trade Outlook (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/chris_mannix/02/11/trade.outlook.west/index.html)
By Chris Mannix
SI.com

With a potential lockout looming and multiple teams looking to slash payroll in anticipation of this summer's free-agent bonanza, the trading season could bring a handful of surprises. As the Feb. 18 deadline approaches, here's a look at each team's trading potential. (All payroll figures are from HoopsHype.com.)

San Antonio Spurs
Team Payroll: $80.2 million
Potential Trade Assets: G George Hill, G Manu Ginobili, G Roger Mason, F Matt Bonner

The Spurs had internal discussions about Stoudemire but that didn't get very far. San Antonio is expected to stand pat and hope the chemistry between the still-adjusting Richard Jefferson (averaging 12.1 points, lowest since his rookie season) and the rest of the team comes together by April. The Spurs do have the expiring contracts of Mason and Bonner to work with, but both are solid role players in Gregg Popovich's system.

[tim_duncan_fan]

If we trade RMJ, I'm gonna go fucking ballistic.

[admiralsnackbar]

Immediately following the trade deadline, Mahinmi starts next to Duncan. The NBA is dumbfounded to see the Spurs have pulled David Robinson 2.0 from out of nowhere. Spurs go on to win 5 straight rings after LeBron realizes he has more money than he knows what to do with and signs up for the vet minimum.

I get a little carried away sometimes.

This would be more plausible if we'd granted Ian an extension.

[Obstructed_View]

This would be more plausible if we'd granted Ian an extension.

Agreed. Furthermore, I think the only way that could even be conceivable is if they'd extended him. He's gone in July no matter what.

Well, I guess unless they trade him away now and trade back for him in the offseason. Don't even know if that's possible.

[admiralsnackbar]

Agreed. Furthermore, I think the only way that could even be conceivable is if they'd extended him. He's gone in July no matter what.

Well, I guess unless they trade him away now and trade back for him in the offseason. Don't even know if that's possible.

With all the contingencies that could arise to prevent such a scenario from occurring, I'd assume the FO hasn't planned for Ian's return. YMMV.

[Obstructed_View]

With all the contingencies that could arise to prevent such a scenario from occurring, I'd assume the FO hasn't planned for Ian's return. YMMV.

God help us all if that's a scenario they try to plan for.

[Bruno]

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/20035997


The Warriors continue to peddle Andris Biedrins (four years and $36 million left) to achieve cost-savings, while the Clippers are offering Al Thornton and Sebastian Telfair for the same reason, sources say.

- Biedrins is one of the few player, with a contract that goes beyond 2012, I woudl like to trade for because he is young and his contract has a flat structure. It's nice to know that he is on the trading block.

- Maybe Spurs could get Camby if they accept to take Telfair with him. Telfair+Camby for Bonner+Mason+Finley+Mahinmi+1st could be a trade Clippers accept to do.

- I don't know what Clippers want for Thornton but it's worth asking for. He is very interesting young player.

[DPG21920]

Telfair + Camby is something I have suggested a little while ago. Telfair actually fits what Pop likes with regards to a scoring point guard. That would be a very solid trade overall and probably make the Spurs the best rebounding team in the league. I am not thrilled with Camby, but at the expense of the guys going out, why not?

Spurs might be hurting for 3 point shooters though.

I used to be very high on Thornton, but I have cooled off big time. He is not a very good player and he definitely seems to be a terrible decision maker on the court.

[lurker23]

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/20035997



- Biedrins is one of the few player, with a contract that goes beyond 2012, I woudl like to trade for because he is young and his contract has a flat structure. It's nice to know that he is on the trading block.


Excellent, great to see that Biedrins is on the block. I speculated about that earlier when talking about a possible Maggette/Randolph for RJ trade:


If the Warriors were unwilling to do this deal, I wonder if they'd be more tempted if the Spurs offered to take both Maggette's and Biedrins' contracts for RJ + expirings. I know that's A LOT of long-term money, but at least it's long term money for guys who can play.


I haven't heard that specifically that they want to trade him, but the owner is in some financial trouble and is considering selling the team. A team with considerably less committed payroll (even minus Randolph) might be more appealing. Also, Biedrins' tenure in GS isn't going too smoothly at the moment:

http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/landing/?blockID=177347&feedID=2799

Like I said, that is A LOT of long term money. If the Warriors came to the Spurs FO with that trade offer, I think they probably have to think it over a long while before deciding, purely from the financial side alone.

Now that we know Biedrins may be traded, though, how about Biedrins and Randolph for RJ + first round pick + filler (with Mahinmi being a likely part of that filler). I know that leaves a hole in the swingman position, but if the Spurs have given up somewhat on RJ, there aren't many "RJ for a big man" trades out there.

That being said, I don't know that GS goes for that offer. As much as they may want to shed payroll, they're probably not quite that desperate. However, it'd certainly be worth a shot to start offering up expirings and/or RJ and see where it leads you.

[mountainballer]

- I don't know what Clippers want for Thornton but it's worth asking for. He is very interesting young player.

I was very surprised to see Thornton's name, didn't realize that he decreased that much this season. btw. I also never realized that the guy is already 26! pretty "old" for a 3rd year player.
however, he would be an interesting option, if the asking price from the Clippers isn't that much.

[Bruno]

Now that we know Biedrins may be traded, though, how about Biedrins and Randolph for RJ + first round pick + filler (with Mahinmi being a likely part of that filler).

I highly doubt Randolph is available for that package.

IMO, a Biedrins trade would be something like expiring contracts (Bonner, Finley, Mahinmi..) for Biedrins.

[DPG21920]

Man, that would be great. If we could replace Bonner with Biedrins, that would automatically fill a huge need without weakening themselves in another area.

[lurker23]

I highly doubt Randolph is available for that package.

IMO, a Biedrins trade would be something like expiring contracts (Bonner, Finley, Mahinmi..) for Biedrins.

Just as good, if not better. The only reason Randolph's name started getting thrown into the mix by Spurs fans was as a sweetener to take on Maggette's inflated contract. While his contract isn't too much different than Biedrins', I think you get more value for the dollar with Andris.

Having Randolph thrown in a GS trade, however, is one of the few deals where I don't even hesitate to throw in a first rounder.

[Bruno]

If Holt isn't fine with taking Biedrins contract for expiring, you can also imagine a more complicated scenario like a 3 teams trade with Spurs getting Salmons+Biedrins for RJ.

[lurker23]

If Holt isn't fine with taking Biedrins contract for expiring, you can also imagine a more complicated scenario like a 3 teams trade with Spurs getting Salmons+Biedrins for RJ.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykec29v

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[Bruno]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykec29v

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Yes, that's the basic idea.
You can also imagine something smaller with Bell going to Chicago and Spurs keeping Mason and Finley. Bonner could also be part of the trade. It just depends on how Spurs value these players.

[MaNu4Tres]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykec29v

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I'm confident Chip can improve Biedrins' 13 percent shooting from the foul line.

[murpjf88]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhukwqr


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[Blackjack]

Read this (http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2010/02/06/larry-riley-explainsdefends-his-decision/), and you should have a good idea about what GS is looking to do.

[lurker23]

Read this (http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2010/02/06/larry-riley-explainsdefends-his-decision/), and you should have a good idea about what GS is looking to do.

Kind of an odd interview. They definitely seem to know they're building for the future. They seem to want to trade expirings for a mid-to-high contract, but "there would be no point in giving up three expiring contracts, or two, for a player who is overvalued or who doesn’t add anything for our team", which may rule out RJ. At the same time, there have been a lot of reports of them wanting to shed long term contracts.

I understand GS exploring all options and all directions, but despite the fact that they did that interview to explain their thought processes, they sound just as confused as ever to me.

[Blackjack]

We went through all the trade scenarious, the things that we’ve talked abnout, and the potential trades, and we’re in a situation where we have enough money in the contracts that we have along with some our existing players to be able to make a deal that get you in the range of nine, 10, 11, 12 million dollars. 13. That’s the range where can go to get a player who is a good player.

Now, if you want to get up top $20 million and get into that range of those players – and I’m not supposed to mention their names, but you know who they are – then you would have to have Speedy’s money. You would have to be in position to where then you would take on that money and you would hope to go attract one of those three or four guys – and you know who we’re talking about – in free agency. We cannot get those guys to come here. We’re not a winning tradition team right now and we’re not a major media market, although we’re a good media market. We’re in a situation where we’re just not going to get those guys. So our range is in that range that’s below that and we have enough players where if we find a guy that is making $12 million, for example, who is a good player that we want to acquire, we can still make a trade for that guy. If this money had taken us out of that, we would have never gone in that direction. Plus, you’re also looking down the road at managing your cap.


Will you have to trade one of your four highest-paid players?

Riley: We’re not trading Monta Ellis, and we’re not trading Stephen Curry. And if we have to trade some of the other players, we’re going to look at it. It’s very difficult to take what we have and trade for a star. So we have to trade for a good player and get some help for our team. There will be somebody who will probably trade that the fan base won’t necessarily like. … We do have to move a guy. We do have to move a guy to get where we want to go.

That's what sparked the idea for the initial deal I threw out: Jefferson and the rights to Splitter for Maggette and Randolph. They get a replacement for Maggette, in which they shed salary through the duration and they get Splitter to have the ability to shed Biedrins' salary in a separate trade with a suitable, low-cost player.

Randolph seems to be the player Riley's subtly referring to as the guy the fan base wouldn't be too pleased to see go. . .

[DPG21920]

After a lot of moves backfiring over the last year (Shaq to PHX, Carter to ORL, RJ to Spurs...) I can see a whole bunch of nothing happening this trade deadline. Maybe some small salary dumps for non-contenders, but that is about all.

I can maybe see 2 or 3 teams willing to do a big move: Boston, Cavs & Mavs.

[Blackjack]

Again, as I mentioned a few pages back, I'm not expecting much, if anything to get done.

The way they've structured their contracts to coincide with the pending CBA negotiations, leads you to believe this spending splurge was a very precise and calculated move; there's been no departure in philosophy or upgrade in Holt's status, they just had money saved away, for this current rainy day (so to speak), because of their thrift of yesteryear.

I personally think taking on someone like Maggette is a no-brainer move if it nets Randolph, because it's likely to benefit the team on and off the court at the back end. But I also know that the Spurs have a game plan in mind with everything they do and it's often they deviate; I'm not sure they ever do, really.

[Boss]

Marc Stein is reporting mavs and wizards are in talks for a deal that would involve Haywood and Butler.
I think it may look something like Josh Howard and Gooden for Haywood and Butler.

If the David Aldridge story on Manu has any legs to it (Manu will most likely be playing somewhere else after this season) why not try to jump into talks w/ the Wiz?

The spurs could offer Manu Bonner and Ian for Haywood and Butler and I think that's a better offer.

The issue is Washington also wants to include Stevenson in the deal and nobody wants him but the closer to the deadline it gets the more desperate the Wiz will be to dump salary.

I personally don't want to trade Manu and believe his best offer would be to resign w/ the Spurs but there's a chance the Spurs FO wants to move on from Manu citing injuries and decline in play. If that's the case then the best move is to trade him now then let him walk for nothing in return.

[8FOR!3]

Marc Stein is reporting mavs and wizards are in talks for a deal that would involve Haywood and Butler.
I think it may look something like Josh Howard and Gooden for Haywood and Butler.

If the David Aldridge story on Manu has any legs to it (Manu will most likely be playing somewhere else after this season) why not try to jump into talks w/ the Wiz?

The spurs could offer Manu Bonner and Ian for Haywood and Butler and I think that's a better offer.

The issue is Washington also wants to include Stevenson in the deal and nobody wants him but the closer to the deadline it gets the more desperate the Wiz will be to dump salary.

I personally don't want to trade Manu and believe his best offer would be to resign w/ the Spurs but there's a chance the Spurs FO wants to move on from Manu citing injuries and decline in play. If that's the case then the best move is to trade him now then let him walk for nothing in return.

That's a terrible trade . Manu/Bonner/Ian for Haywood/Butler = end of our season's chances.

[objective]

Team-By-Team Trade Outlook (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/chris_mannix/02/11/trade.outlook.west/index.html)
By Chris Mannix
SI.com

With a potential lockout looming and multiple teams looking to slash payroll in anticipation of this summer's free-agent bonanza, the trading season could bring a handful of surprises. As the Feb. 18 deadline approaches, here's a look at each team's trading potential. (All payroll figures are from HoopsHype.com.)

San Antonio Spurs
Team Payroll: $80.2 million
Potential Trade Assets: G George Hill, G Manu Ginobili, G Roger Mason, F Matt Bonner



Is there a particular reason that Michael Finley isn't listed among the trade assets? Is it because he only registers 2.5 while the other vets start at 3.2 and that's smalltime for expirings?

Or maybe he's off the table. :lol

[Boss]

That's a terrible trade . Manu/Bonner/Ian for Haywood/Butler = end of our season's chances.

Our seasons chances are not very good w/ the current team we have. Teams have exploited our interior D all year and getting a legit Defensive Center Like Haywood and putting him next to Duncan would change everything. IF u read what I said there is a chance the Spurs will move on from Manu. If they r then why let him just walk? Butler is a pretty damn good player to get in return

[objective]

the reason to risk Manu walking for nothing is because when it comes to public relations that makes Manu the bad guy.

If the Spurs trade Manu away, that makes them the bad guy.

[ElNono]

the reason to risk Manu walking for nothing is because when it comes to public relations that makes Manu the bad guy.

If the Spurs trade Manu away, that makes them the bad guy.

I doubt the Spurs care about 'looks'... It's either a sound sport and business decision or not.

[Boss]

From Twitter Marc Stein just tweeted a couple minutes ago: STEIN_LINE_HQ (http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ)
Just filed to ESPN.com: Mavs-Wiz trade talks have only gotten more serious this afternoon. Many sources say sides closing in on a deal.

If mavs can get haywood and butler for Howard and another expiring that's a great deal for the Mavs

[objective]

I doubt the Spurs care about 'looks'... It's either a sound sport and business decision or not.

Maybe so. I would hope so.

But weren't they willing to let Robinson walk until the public outcry forced their hand? Wasn't it pressure from Pop and Duncan in front of the public and the media that got Parker the extra $2 million from Holt and got the contract done?

[Boss]

the reason to risk Manu walking for nothing is because when it comes to public relations that makes Manu the bad guy.

If the Spurs trade Manu away, that makes them the bad guy.

Not if they get great value in return that can help them win a championship, and if the Manu signs somewhere else plays great and wins a title lets say w/ the Lakers the Spurs look like fools

[all_heart]

What about TP for a legit big man like bosh or amare. I know Amare D isn't that great but his offensive skills...

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

I'd like to thank the Spurs for the pounding they gave the Nuggets last night :toast I hope it means the Nuggets FO won't rest on their laurels.

Nuggets need to make a move.

[jermaine]

I'd like to thank the Spurs for the pounding they gave the Nuggets last night :toast I hope it means the Nuggets FO won't rest on their laurels.

Nuggets need to make a move.
That's what I was hoping from yal. Them Nuggas didn't even come to play

[ElNono]

But weren't they willing to let Robinson walk until the public outcry forced their hand? Wasn't it pressure from Pop and Duncan in front of the public and the media that got Parker the extra $2 million from Holt and got the contract done?

I personally think there is a bit of everything involved, and it's not an easy decision. It's like when they gave Malik Rose that bad contract, then traded him away. It was a reward for Malik and the team moved on without a fan favorite.

[MRduncan2010]

Does anyone think trades start TONIGHT?????:wakeup

[benefactor]

From Twitter Marc Stein just tweeted a couple minutes ago: STEIN_LINE_HQ (http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ)
Just filed to ESPN.com: Mavs-Wiz trade talks have only gotten more serious this afternoon. Many sources say sides closing in on a deal.

If mavs can get haywood and butler for Howard and another expiring that's a great deal for the Mavs
If this happens the Spurs will need to push hard for the Thomas deal...preferably bringing in Salmons too.

[ace3g]

once one deal happens the rest will fall into place

[Allanon]

Between getting wasted by a Kobe less Lakers team and a convincing beatdown of the Nuggets, I'm uncertain if the Spurs will make a trade or not.

[Allanon]

From SI, sorry if it's already posted.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/chris_mannix/02/11/trade.outlook.west/index.html

San Antonio Spurs
Team Payroll: $80.2 million
Potential Trade Assets: G George Hill, G Manu Ginobili, G Roger Mason, F Matt Bonner

The Spurs had internal discussions about Stoudemire but that didn't get very far. San Antonio is expected to stand pat and hope the chemistry between the still-adjusting Richard Jefferson (averaging 12.1 points, lowest since his rookie season) and the rest of the team comes together by April. The Spurs do have the expiring contracts of Mason and Bonner to work with, but both are solid role players in Gregg Popovich's system.

[Duncan2177]

From SI, sorry if it's already posted.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/chris_mannix/02/11/trade.outlook.west/index.html

San Antonio Spurs
Team Payroll: $80.2 million
Potential Trade Assets: G George Hill, G Manu Ginobili, G Roger Mason, F Matt Bonner

The Spurs had internal discussions about Stoudemire but that didn't get very far. San Antonio is expected to stand pat and hope the chemistry between the still-adjusting Richard Jefferson (averaging 12.1 points, lowest since his rookie season) and the rest of the team comes together by April. The Spurs do have the expiring contracts of Mason and Bonner to work with, but both are solid role players in Gregg Popovich's system.

Were fucked

[pad300]

I continue to say look in the eastern conference: Philly and Indiana are both looking to make money trades, and are willing to move talent.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykx4tbo
this plus our 2010 1st would probably get Murphy.

I'd prefer this though
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygmzkeu
again, adding our 2010 1st. Jefferson has been a lousy fit...

In both cases, we are not handcuffing ourselves for the renegotiated CBA in 2012


Finally, I'd talk to Philly. They will deal to move contracts, and I am not sure if they have any real hopes of either the Pheonix (Amare) or Cleveland (Big Z in a buyout) deals for Iguolda are going to be made. They might very well be stuck with a spurs offer like this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yl2umtg
or even
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhuly7c
Again, in both cases our 2010 1st would be moved...

Here, Iguolda's deal extend beyond 2012, but he's simply worth it. He'd be just such a better fit than Jefferson.

[CGD]

From Twitter Marc Stein just tweeted a couple minutes ago: STEIN_LINE_HQ (http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ)
Just filed to ESPN.com: Mavs-Wiz trade talks have only gotten more serious this afternoon. Many sources say sides closing in on a deal.

If mavs can get haywood and butler for Howard and another expiring that's a great deal for the Mavs

Wiz are idiots if they don't insist on getting Rodrigue Beaubois in return. Otherwise, its pretty lopsided in favor of Dallas.

[Jace]

I would love to see a massive move by the Spurs, trading Duncan and Manu

Duncan to the Nuggets for Nene/Anderson/JR Smith/assorted draft picks

Duncan to the Mavs would be cool as well, Dirk+Duncan+Kidd+Terry

I just think the Spurs need to admit they cannot win with Tim, they just don't have the pieces to bring him another ring

[HarlemHeat37]

Looks like Mavs are getting Butler and Haywood..great..

[CGD]

I would love to see a massive move by the Spurs, trading Duncan and Manu

Duncan to the Nuggets for Nene/Anderson/JR Smith/assorted draft picks

Duncan to the Mavs would be cool as well, Dirk+Duncan+Kidd+Terry

I just think the Spurs need to admit they cannot win with Tim, they just don't have the pieces to bring him another ring

Wow

[Spurs Brazil]

Mavericks on verge of trading Josh Howard
5:20 PM Fri, Feb 12, 2010 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
Eddie Sefko/Reporter Bio | E-mail | News tips

The Mavericks appear to have agreed on the major points of a trade that will send Josh Howard, Drew Gooden, Quinton Ross and James Singleton to Washington for Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson.

The deal is not done. But a source said that the pieces of the trade have been tentatively agreed upon.

The trade would require league approval, which could take until after All-Star Weekend.

The Mavericks and Wizards have been trade partners before, when Dallas acquired Devin Harris and Jerry Stackhouse for Antawn Jamison in 2004. That was a trade that both teams viewed as a success.

Washington apparently has become resigned to the fact that Haywood, their center who is having a solid season, would not re-sign this summer when he is a free agent.

That, plus the fact that the Wizards will save a ton of money if the deal goes down, is their motivation.

The Mavericks drafted Howard in 2003 and he has enjoyed great successes, although he has been prone to controversial moments.

He's been struggling this year to recover from off-season ankle surgery but has played well lately. Next season, his contract is a team option, which could yield a payroll savings of $11 million for the Wizards.

--Eddie Sefko
http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/02/mavericks-on-verge-of-trading-josh-howar.html

[Allanon]

Mavericks on verge of trading Josh Howard
5:20 PM Fri, Feb 12, 2010 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
Eddie Sefko/Reporter Bio | E-mail | News tips

The Mavericks appear to have agreed on the major points of a trade that will send Josh Howard, Drew Gooden, Quinton Ross and James Singleton to Washington for Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson.

The deal is not done. But a source said that the pieces of the trade have been tentatively agreed upon.

The trade would require league approval, which could take until after All-Star Weekend.

The Mavericks and Wizards have been trade partners before, when Dallas acquired Devin Harris and Jerry Stackhouse for Antawn Jamison in 2004. That was a trade that both teams viewed as a success.

Washington apparently has become resigned to the fact that Haywood, their center who is having a solid season, would not re-sign this summer when he is a free agent.

That, plus the fact that the Wizards will save a ton of money if the deal goes down, is their motivation.

The Mavericks drafted Howard in 2003 and he has enjoyed great successes, although he has been prone to controversial moments.

He's been struggling this year to recover from off-season ankle surgery but has played well lately. Next season, his contract is a team option, which could yield a payroll savings of $11 million for the Wizards.

--Eddie Sefko
http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/02/mavericks-on-verge-of-trading-josh-howar.html

Damn, that's a pretty significant upgrade for the Mavs.

[outmap]

What about TP for a legit big man like bosh or amare. I know Amare D isn't that great but his offensive skills...

+1 :toast

[Truckules]

Damn, that's a pretty significant upgrade for the Mavs.

Yup. If Rick Carlisle is a good coach at all, he should be able to get the 3 seed at worst.

[ginobili fan]

Mavericks on verge of trading Josh Howard
5:20 PM Fri, Feb 12, 2010 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
Eddie Sefko/Reporter Bio | E-mail | News tips

The Mavericks appear to have agreed on the major points of a trade that will send Josh Howard, Drew Gooden, Quinton Ross and James Singleton to Washington for Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson.

The deal is not done. But a source said that the pieces of the trade have been tentatively agreed upon.

The trade would require league approval, which could take until after All-Star Weekend.

The Mavericks and Wizards have been trade partners before, when Dallas acquired Devin Harris and Jerry Stackhouse for Antawn Jamison in 2004. That was a trade that both teams viewed as a success.

Washington apparently has become resigned to the fact that Haywood, their center who is having a solid season, would not re-sign this summer when he is a free agent.

That, plus the fact that the Wizards will save a ton of money if the deal goes down, is their motivation.

The Mavericks drafted Howard in 2003 and he has enjoyed great successes, although he has been prone to controversial moments.

He's been struggling this year to recover from off-season ankle surgery but has played well lately. Next season, his contract is a team option, which could yield a payroll savings of $11 million for the Wizards.

--Eddie Sefko
http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/02/mavericks-on-verge-of-trading-josh-howar.html

Why the Mavs FO can make such a trade and we have nothing around ?
it's just killing me I'm so mad right now :ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit :ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit
Butler and Haywood were the perfect guys gor us Fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
I want a trade!!!!!!
fuck I don't care trade Manu Parker Jefferson everybody except Duncan but Please Move your ass spurs FO!!!!!
You made a mistake with Dick so wake upppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp you basterds

[024]

Mavericks on verge of trading Josh Howard
5:20 PM Fri, Feb 12, 2010 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
Eddie Sefko/Reporter Bio | E-mail | News tips

The Mavericks appear to have agreed on the major points of a trade that will send Josh Howard, Drew Gooden, Quinton Ross and James Singleton to Washington for Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson.

The deal is not done. But a source said that the pieces of the trade have been tentatively agreed upon.

The trade would require league approval, which could take until after All-Star Weekend.

The Mavericks and Wizards have been trade partners before, when Dallas acquired Devin Harris and Jerry Stackhouse for Antawn Jamison in 2004. That was a trade that both teams viewed as a success.

Washington apparently has become resigned to the fact that Haywood, their center who is having a solid season, would not re-sign this summer when he is a free agent.

That, plus the fact that the Wizards will save a ton of money if the deal goes down, is their motivation.

The Mavericks drafted Howard in 2003 and he has enjoyed great successes, although he has been prone to controversial moments.

He's been struggling this year to recover from off-season ankle surgery but has played well lately. Next season, his contract is a team option, which could yield a payroll savings of $11 million for the Wizards.

--Eddie Sefko
http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/02/mavericks-on-verge-of-trading-josh-howar.html
well.... that's not good. the spurs should already be worried about the mavs and now will have to worry even more.

[EricB]

Ive heard the deal is Butler and Stevenson for Howard and thats it.

Which if true is good for the Spurs, one less Spur killer around.

[ace3g]

only thing good about this is that this might increase the chances of the Spurs making a trade because of the Mavs are in the same division, and if you can win your division you get one of the top 3 spots in the playoffs

[TD 21]

well.... that's not good. the spurs should already be worried about the mavs and now will have to worry even more.

Personally, I haven't been worried about the Mavs since the '07 playoffs. If this trade comes to fruition, I probably would be again. We'll have to see how the pieces fit, but on paper, this is a significant upgrade. I know Butler's having a down year, but he's in his prime and was, less than two years ago, the fourth best small forward in the game. Haywood has been fed up with the Wizards shenanigans for a long time (I suspect Butler grew tired of them this year as well), so I suspect both will be liberated by this move...

Mavericks

Starters: PF- Nowitzki, SF- Marion, C- Haywood, SG- Butler, PG- Kidd

Bench: SG/PG- Terry, C- Dampier, PG- Barea, PF/SF- Thomas, PG- Beaubois, SG- Stevenson, PF- Najera

Inactive: SG- Carroll

Wizards

Starters: PF- Jamison, SF- Howard, C- Blatche, SG- Miller, PG- Foye

Bench: PG- Boykins, PF/C- Gooden, SG- Young, C/PF- McGee, SF/PF- McGuire, C/PF- Oberto, PG/SG- James

Inactive: PF- Singleton, SG- Ross, PG- Arenas, PG/SG- Crittenton

The Mavs would still lack a true shooting guard, something they've lacked since Finley, but overall, they should get much better from this trade and may legitimately become better than the Spurs now. To this point, I hadn't considered the Mavs above the Spurs, despite the slight difference in the standings.

[TD 21]

Cavs trying to acquire Stoudemire...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4910377

[Allanon]

Cavs trying to acquire Stoudemire...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4910377

This could be a really scary trade for the rest of the NBA.

All depends on what the Cavs give up.

[TD 21]

This could be a really scary trade for the rest of the NBA.

All depends on what the Cavs give up.

Talent-wise, yes, but I'm not sure I like the fit and how much more of a role will Stoudemire play than Hickson already does? Obviously he'll play more, but will he be that big a part of the offense? We know he never meshed well with O'Neal and defensively he certainly doesn't help the Cavs, but like the Mavs with Butler, he would give them a legit number two star, something they've needed for years. It can't make the Cavs worse, but I'm not sure how much it makes them better, although the potential is obviously there.

My guess: Ilgauskas, Hickson, 1st round pick and if need be for salary purposes, another minor contract or two

[montgod]

Talent-wise, yes, but I'm not sure I like the fit and how much more of a role will Stoudemire play than Hickson already does? Obviously he'll play more, but will he be that big a part of the offense? We know he never meshed well with O'Neal and defensively he certainly doesn't help the Cavs, but like the Mavs with Butler, he would give them a legit number two star, something they've needed for years. It can't make the Cavs worse, but I'm not sure how much it makes them better, although the potential is obviously there.

My guess: Ilgauskas, Hickson, 1st round pick and if need be for salary purposes, another minor contract or two

Rumor is Szerbiak will be signed and traded to help, ala VanHorn back a couple years back.

[Allanon]

We know he never meshed well with O'Neal

That is a good point. He'd probably have to play more pick and pop with Shaq on the court and then move lower in the post when Shaq's out.

As for what he does, he can score alot more effectively than JJ Hickson in conjunction with LeBron. Defensively, maybe he'll put more effort into it with a new coach.

[ginobilized]

Does anyone read much into the fact that Tony was out last night and wasn't on the bench? Is it possible he's on the block? If so, would he be enough to get Bosh here? Just curious.

[Allanon]

Does anyone read much into the fact that Tony was out last night and wasn't on the bench? Is it possible he's on the block? If so, would he be enough to get Bosh here? Just curious.

It's possible.

If there's any deal, Tony for Bosh makes perfect sense.

Toronto would have Tony locked up until 2011 which is beneficial because they have problems getting FA's. And since Canada is also a French haven, the Raptors probably have a good chance of re-signing him.

Bosh gets to come back to his native Texas. Plus he said he doesn't want to be the #2 player but in SAS, he'd be taking over for Duncan. Spurs would have a very high chance of signing him to a new contract.

However, Toronto said this week that they are in no way trading Bosh and nothing will happen until the off-season.

[HarlemHeat37]

Raptors would never trade Bosh and they could do a lot better than Tony if they did..

[Seventyniner]

It's possible.

If there's any deal, Tony for Bosh makes perfect sense.

Toronto would have Tony locked up until 2011 which is beneficial because they have problems getting FA's. And since Canada is also a French haven, the Raptors probably have a good chance of re-signing him.

Bosh gets to come back to his native Texas. Plus he said he doesn't want to be the #2 player but in SAS, he'd be taking over for Duncan. Spurs would have a very high chance of signing him to a new contract.

However, Toronto said this week that they are in no way trading Bosh and nothing will happen until the off-season.

The Spurs would have to be pretty desperate to risk this, IMO. If Bosh leaves, there goes a Finals MVP for nothing. Is it possible (within the current CBA) for a contract extension for Bosh to be part of the trade? Or can extensions not happen during the season anyway?

[pad300]

Question. If DAL-WAS goes and CLE-PHX goes, who else is buying?
1) The Rockets? Maybe, they have TMacs's expiring. But they have been pretty cagey with that. They might just let it expire unless they get a clear home run.
2) Portand. They might want to do some talent consolidation, but they aren't looking for anything major
3) Boston. They have Ray Allen's expiring but not much else to trade. And they have more lux tax issues than us...(Current payroll 84.5 million + tax, committed to 64 million next year, for 6 players...)
4) SAS.
Who's selling
1) Indiana
2) Philadelphia
3) Chicago

at this point, if the FO is willing to try, we could move jefferson and expirings to either Philly or Indiana, while filling two major needs A) a mullingan on Jefferson at the wing (either Iguolda or Dunleavy), and B) another decent big man (either Dalembert or Murphy). My preference would be a Iggy and Dalembert, as I think the fit would be better.

[Allanon]

The Spurs would have to be pretty desperate to risk this, IMO. If Bosh leaves, there goes a Finals MVP for nothing. Is it possible (within the current CBA) for a contract extension for Bosh to be part of the trade? Or can extensions not happen during the season anyway?

Bosh can do an extension but he would be crazy to do so.

Bosh won't do an extension at this time because he stands to make alot more money on the market.

He can get a full $130 million contract guaranteed this summer.

[DPG21920]

Bosh can do an extension but he would be crazy to do so.

Bosh won't do an extension at this time because he stands to make alot more money on the market.

He can get a full $130 million contract guaranteed this summer.

Bosh could never make more money in FA than with the team that owns his bird rights.

[Allanon]

Bosh could never make more money in FA than with the team that owns his bird rights.

I'm including his own team... he'll be a FA but the Raptors can still pay him the most.

He stands to make more money as his own team's FA while competing teams will drive up his price.

If he signs an extension; that's a whole lot less guaranteed money...like $60 million I believe.

[himat]

Bosh could never make more money in FA than with the team that owns his bird rights.

Okay I am not trying to get in an another argument with you, just want to say something...

Bosh going into the market would get him more money because he would have less guaranteed money, whereas if he goes into the market he could get a huge contract over a long span of time (that is if the rules don't change. Thats why there might be a lockout to begin next season.)

[DPG21920]

Okay I am not trying to get in an another argument with you, just want to say something...

Bosh going into the market would get him more money because he would have less guaranteed money, whereas if he goes into the market he could get a huge contract over a long span of time (that is if the rules don't change. Thats why there might be a lockout to begin next season.)

I thought Allanon was saying that going to another team would net him more money. If he waits until FA, he can get more money, but the most would be from the team that owns his bird rights.

[murpjf88]

Question. If DAL-WAS goes and CLE-PHX goes, who else is buying?
1) The Rockets? Maybe, they have TMacs's expiring. But they have been pretty cagey with that. They might just let it expire unless they get a clear home run.
2) Portand. They might want to do some talent consolidation, but they aren't looking for anything major
3) Boston. They have Ray Allen's expiring but not much else to trade. And they have more lux tax issues than us...(Current payroll 84.5 million + tax, committed to 64 million next year, for 6 players...)
4) SAS.
Who's selling
1) Indiana
2) Philadelphia
3) Chicago

at this point, if the FO is willing to try, we could move jefferson and expirings to either Philly or Indiana, while filling two major needs A) a mullingan on Jefferson at the wing (either Iguolda or Dunleavy), and B) another decent big man (either Dalembert or Murphy). My preference would be a Iggy and Dalembert, as I think the fit would be better.

I admire your tenacity to find Jefferson a new home, but for the umpteenth time, NOBODY is going to pry Richard away from the spurs. Philly and Indiana would have to have their heads examined to take on Jefferson's contract as is. Just because a trade works in the trade machine doesn't make it feasible. Richard, to make things worse, hasn't exactly helped his trade value this year with his pathetic play and don't think its gone unnoticed by GM's around the league. Nobody wants any part of him.

[himat]

I thought Allanon was saying that going to another team would net him more money. If he waits until FA, he can get more money, but the most would be from the team that owns his bird rights.

Okay. Here is my thought process though: (These numbers won't be accurate)

Lets says Toronto just offers him 10 million

But then other teams drive up the price to 11 million. Toronto would be able to exceed that number due to the bird rights to 11 million plus right?

So if he goes to the market he gets the 11 million from another team or Toronto increases there offer. Either way he gets more than the original amount of money he would get from the extension because the competition drove up the price.

Or maybe I am trying to sound smart about a process I don't really know anything about. :lol

[DPG21920]

Just in theory, lets say he is going to get offered a "max contract" regardless of which team. The max contract from the Raptors would be worth more than any other teams because they have his bird rights.

[himat]

Just in theory, lets say he is going to get offered a "max contract" regardless of which team. The max contract from the Raptors would be worth more than any other teams because they have his bird rights.

Yes, and I bet you someone does offer him a max contract so I guess the Raptors would give him the most money.

And if you haven't heard of his recent comments he doesn't sound like he wants to go to a team with great players on it already. He claims that he is a player that can get built around.

I thought he would leave Toronto but he might just stay.

[pad300]

I admire your tenacity to find Jefferson a new home, but for the umpteenth time, NOBODY is going to pry Richard away from the spurs. Philly and Indiana would have to have their heads examined to take on Jefferson's contract as is. Just because a trade works in the trade machine doesn't make it feasible. Richard, to make things worse, hasn't exactly helped his trade value this year with his pathetic play and don't think its gone unnoticed by GM's around the league. Nobody wants any part of him.

You're wrong about Jefferson being untradeable. The key is finding a player(s) who have a worse long-term contract than Jefferson, that the Spurs can a) use (ie they have to be talented) and b) are on teams that are not in a position to tolerate their bad contracts due to being in a rebuilding phase.

I see 2 candidates
IND - Murphy and Dunleavy are both 2011 expirings like Jefferson, and make a combined $21 million. Combined, that is a worse contract than Jefferson. Indiana currently sucks, and Murphy and Dunleavy aren't going to be useful/there when they finish rebuilding. An offer of assets(SAS 2010 1st, Mahinmi), expiring contracts (and the cap relief thereof) and Jefferson seems to be better than anything else a suitor has put on the table.

PHI - Iguolda is on the books until 2013/14, ending at $15 million...Dalembert expires in 2011, just like Jefferson, and is worth $12 million in that season. Again, combined, a much worse contract than Jefferson. Philly currently sucks, and again, they haven't recieved any good offers.

Both IND and PHI are basically stuck getting what the Market will bear. As such a Spurs offer that includes enough expirings to get them below Lux tax next year, and better assets than others have put on the table becomes a very acceptable option, particularly if they think their fanbases won't stand for offers of a single giant expiring (Ray Allen/TMac). Especially if they think Jefferson might perform better in an offense where he gets more touches and they get out and run more (which both IND and PHI try and do).

[ElNono]

You're wrong about Jefferson being untradeable. The key is finding a player(s) who have a worse long-term contract than Jefferson, that the Spurs can a) use (ie they have to be talented) and b) are on teams that are not in a position to tolerate their bad contracts due to being in a rebuilding phase.

I don't think the Spurs are really looking to add much salary past 2012, for a number of reasons, including the new CBA, the Duncan era being pretty much over and actual rebuilding having to start taking shape.
If you look at the salary structure right now, the only players signed for 2012/2013 are George Hill with a qualifying offer, and Blair who is a team option.

The Murphy and Dunleavy case is interesting, but I don't think the Spurs are realistically interested in those guys, and honestly, I don't think they make us much better either.

[Mark in Austin]

If I'm the FO the first call I make is to Charlotte to see if MJ is dumb enough / the team is losing too much money to afford Captain Jack. He's been awesome for them on the court so it's a very long shot, and would probably mean we'd have to throw in the third Gasol brother to make a deal work...

[xtremesteven33]

If I'm the FO the first call I make is to Charlotte to see if MJ is dumb enough / the team is losing too much money to afford Captain Jack. He's been awesome for them on the court so it's a very long shot, and would probably mean we'd have to throw in the third Gasol brother to make a deal work...



The Bobcats have a chance to make some noise in the playoffs for the first time in their franchise history...I dont think they want to ruin that

[MaNu4Tres]

Interesting fact:

If Spurs make a move and land Tyrus Thomas he can't wear 24 because of Jefferson obviously.

But an interesting fact is Thomas wore 12 his whole life before he got to the Bulls. Since Kirk Hinrich wore 12 when Thomas was drafted, Thomas switched to 24.

If Spurs make a move for Thomas I can guarantee he will want 12 since its available ( or is it?).

If Spurs don't give it to him then that will answer the question on whether or not Bowen's jersey will get lifted to the rafters.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

[Bruno]

^ Well, we have had the answer when Haislip got the #22 jersey.

[pad300]

I don't think the Spurs are really looking to add much salary past 2012, for a number of reasons, including the new CBA, the Duncan era being pretty much over and actual rebuilding having to start taking shape.
If you look at the salary structure right now, the only players signed for 2012/2013 are George Hill with a qualifying offer, and Blair who is a team option.

The Murphy and Dunleavy case is interesting, but I don't think the Spurs are realistically interested in those guys, and honestly, I don't think they make us much better either.

Regarding salary, I personally think it's worth it for Iggy. I like the guy,and think he's a Pippin in waiting, looking for a dynasty to complete. I think Dalembert-Duncan-Iguolda-Manu-Parker (with McDyess and Hill as backups) is a repeat level lineup. The FO may disagree, or not think it's worth it...

Murphy and Dunleavy on the other hand, have potential to make us better. Dunleavy is not an upgrade on Jefferson, but would fit the role much better, for a net upgrade in the overall floor product. Murphy on the other hand, would push McDyess to the backup role. Murphy is Bonner with strong rebounding, and an ability to defend...Which is to say a strong starter. Our first 3 bigs would be Duncan - Murphy - McDyess (and then Blair), which is as good a big lineup as the Lakers, IMO. I don't think we win that series, unless Manu starts hitting shots: Kobe + Artest >= Parker (current) + Manu (Current), but we would have a chance.

[Boss]

Interesting fact:

If Spurs make a move and land Tyrus Thomas he can't wear 24 because of Jefferson obviously.

But an interesting fact is Thomas wore 12 his whole life before he got to the Bulls. Since Kirk Hinrich wore 12 when Thomas was drafted, Thomas switched to 24.

If Spurs make a move for Thomas I can guarantee he will want 12 since its available ( or is it?).

If Spurs don't give it to him then that will answer the question on whether or not Bowen's jersey will get lifted to the rafters.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.


It's funny cause we got Jefferson #24, Mcdyess #24 in Detroit, Haislip #24 overseas, I guess it only makes since the Spurs go after Tyrus Thomas since he wears #24

[TD 21]

Looks like Mavs are getting Butler and Haywood..great..

I'm so sick of the Mavs; they get whatever they want. I never believed they were better than the Spurs, but this trade just might do it. Butler is a legit number two option and Haywood gives them a second center to go against Duncan (not to mention, the Lakers front line). They still don't have a traditional shooting guard, but they have more talent and more size. Butler, less than two years ago, was the fourth best SF in the league and probably a top 25 player. I doubt he get's back to those lofty heights, but I suspect he'll more closely resemble the player he was not too long ago.

The Spurs are too damn small on the front line to deal with these other top teams in the West. I know this isn't exactly breaking news, but this trade only makes things worse in that regard. I felt confident in this team beating the Mavs in a playoff series because I knew Duncan could go to work on Dampier, eventually get him in foul trouble and when he inevitably did, they had no backup center to go against him. Now, they have a better starting center and Dampier becomes the backup center. Nowitzki is strictly a finesse player, but that's now three 6-11-7-0 players on the Mavs front line; the Spurs have one 6-11 player (in terms of their rotation). It's ridiculous.

While I still would like to see Thomas acquired (even more so now), for as long as he is, vertically he's 6-9 tops, so he wouldn't make this team significantly bigger. The Spurs should attempt to put Finley in the deal for Mason, with the two sweeteners being that they could agree to take back Pargo and also give the Bulls Mahinmi. They'd probably insist on Mason and if they do, then the Spurs should still do it, but talk to Mason beforehand and attempt to convince him that they still see him as being part of their future and that they want to re-sign him in the summer.

[MaNu4Tres]

The Spurs are too damn small on the front line to deal with these other top teams in the West. I know this isn't exactly breaking news, but this trade only makes things worse in that regard. I felt confident in this team beating the Mavs in a playoff series because I knew Duncan could go to work on Dampier, eventually get him in foul trouble and when he inevitably did, they had no backup center to go against him. Now, they have a better starting center and Dampier becomes the backup center. Nowitzki is strictly a finesse player, but that's now three 6-11-7-0 players on the Mavs front line; the Spurs have one 6-11 player (in terms of their rotation). It's ridiculous.

While I still would like to see Thomas acquired (even more so now), for as long as he is, vertically he's 6-9 tops, so he wouldn't make this team significantly bigger. The Spurs should attempt to put Finley in the deal for Mason, with the two sweeteners being that they could agree to take back Pargo and also give the Bulls Mahinmi. They'd probably insist on Mason and if they do, then the Spurs should still do it, but talk to Mason beforehand and attempt to convince him that they still see him as being part of their future and that they want to re-sign him in the summer.

Butler is having a down year, and Josh Howard has always killed us so I don't mind that swap.

Haywood gives the Mavs quality in their front-line depth and now they have the right personnel to contend and match up against the Lakers better than anyone in the West.

I don't agree Spurs should go after Pargo and Thomas at the expense of Bonner/Mason/Mahimni. Having Pargo in your rotation along with Parker (Parker/Pargo/Hill/Manu/RJ) would make our perimeter defense more vulnerable and less athletic. Oppose to (Parker/Salmons/Hill/Manu/RJ).

I don't understand why some of you think a back up point guard is a necessity. George Hill is more than capable to provide 10-15 minutes a game as the back up point guard. Hell he's been perhaps the best back up point guard the Spurs have ever had in franchise history.

We don't need Pargo even if he was playing as well as he was in 2008.

I would much rather try to acquire Salmons instead in a proposed package deal of Thomas/Salmons for Bonner/ Mason/Finley/ Mahimni. It would improve our perimeter and interior defense, not to mention both are active players off the ball on the offensive and defensive end.

[TD 21]

Butler is having a down year, and Josh Howard has always killed us so I don't mind that swap.

Haywood gives the Mavs quality in their front-line depth and now they have the right personnel to contend and match up against the Lakers better than anyone in the West.

I don't agree Spurs should go after Pargo and Thomas at the expense of Bonner/Mason/Mahimni. Having Pargo in your rotation along with Parker (Parker/Pargo/Hill/Manu/RJ) would make our perimeter defense more vulnerable and less athletic. Oppose to (Parker/Salmons/Hill/Manu/RJ)

I don't understand why some of you think a back up point guard is a necessity. George Hill is more than capable to provide 10-15 minutes a game as the back up point guard. Hell he's been perhaps the best back up point guard the Spurs have ever had in franchise history.

We don't need Pargo even if he was playing as well as he was in 2008.

I would much rather try to acquire Salmons instead in a proposed package deal of Thomas/Salmons for Bonner/ Mason/Finley/ Mahimni. It would improve our perimeter and interior defense, not to mention both are active players off the ball on the offensive and defensive end.

I suspect Butler will be liberated playing on a credible team and even if he somehow weren't, he's still better than Howard. Haywood is just as important (if not even more important) a pickup for the Mavs; I'm not sure how you "don't mind" the trade? Now the Mavs can throw Haywood and Dampier at Duncan in a series, so they won't have to resort to Gooden and double teams, which means less open looks from 3 for the Spurs. It changes everything.

Theoretically, I agree. In reality, I still think the Nuggets are superior to the Mavs.

Pargo would be a throw in (because the Bulls have no use for him) and would provide the Spurs with insurance in case of injury to Parker or Hill; he wouldn't actually be in the rotation. My guess is he'd be the 11th man in a 10 man rotation. Of course I'd take Salmons over Pargo, but I doubt the Spurs will for financial reasons. That's why I said if the Spurs take Pargo, they're doing the Bulls a small favor and maybe that allows them to get away with Finley instead of Mason, though I doubt it.

It's not a necessity, but it'd be nice to have a third PG that isn't an SG masquerading as a PG.

[ffadicted]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhemf2z

Toss in Mahinmi if Chicago wants some legit talent back, but I think this makes sense for both teams, it clears up any obligation to Thomas and Salmons next year and gets them some extra cap space to chase Wade/Lebron/Bosh/Johnson/etc.. etc...

Michael Finley and Roger Mason has fallen off the rotation as of late, and Matt Bonner just hasn't been the same since the injury. I don't know what other offers Chicago are getting, but if SA offered this package up I would think they'd take it.

Parker/Ginobili/Hill/Salmons/RJ
Duncan/McDyess/Thomas/Blair

I like it, even though it doesn't put a legit defensive big besides Duncan, but with Haywood gone, who are we gonna get that does that? Plus, it makes the spurs even younger, and I can see Thomas blooming with all the attention Duncan gets

The only problem with this I guess would be signing Ginobili this summer, so it depends how much the FO really wants to spend.

[dbestpro]

Spurs are not going to make a trade to keep up with Dallas. They will only make a trade if it puts them on par with the Lakers. Otherwise, they loose all of their salary flexibilty for next year.

[benefactor]

Spurs are not going to make a trade to keep up with Dallas. They will only make a trade if it puts them on par with the Lakers. Otherwise, they loose all of their salary flexibilty for next year.
Not with the Salmons/Thomas deal. They don't have to keep Thomas and Salmons contract next season is as good as they are going to do for a player with his skill set.

[Truckules]

I like Bonner, Mason, and Finley for Thomas and Salmons. If Chicago wants a pick as well though, it'd make me really hesitant.

[dbestpro]

I'm for standing pat. There can only be one champion and I don't see a trade that can put us over the top for this year or next at this time. I'd rather take my chances with trying to land Bosh over the summer and a trade of RJ for a couple players of need.

[ffadicted]

I'd rather take my chances with trying to land Bosh over the summer and a trade of RJ for a couple players of need.

In what fantasy world are you living in :rollin

[jermaine]

So now that Haywood is not an opt, what now? If the Spurs don't do something it shows we're tanking. Imo. We traded because of what the Mavs done to us. Bulter wouldn't matter, but Haywood is what hurts. The Mavs are my second fav team but if we don't do somthing, the Mavs will be my #1.

[ffadicted]

The Mavs are my second fav team but if we don't do somthing, the Mavs will be my #1.

What kind of spurs fan are you lol :rolleyes

[jermaine]

What kind of spurs fan are you lol :rolleyes

I live in Dallas so I see a lot of Mavs games when the Spurs aren't playing.

[dbestpro]

In what fantasy world are you living in :rollin

So I guess you have the inside knowledge on where Bosh would like to go, next year. Yeah, I can see why he would want to stay in Canada with all of their additonal taxes. Yeah, Texas, where he is a native, is a horrible place to work with no income tax and the snow free winters of San Antonio. Now, that Dallas has played its hand, if Bosh wants to come back to Texas, Dallas will not be an option. You can call it fantasy if you want, but it is more of a real possiblity than thinking Thomas and Salmons will do any more for the Spurs than take up additional cash and roster space.

[ffadicted]

So I guess you have the inside knowledge on where Bosh would like to go, next year. Yeah, I can see why he would want to stay in Canada with all of their additonal taxes. Yeah, Texas, where he is a native, is a horrible place to work with no income tax and the snow free winters of San Antonio. Now, that Dallas has played its hand, if Bosh wants to come back to Texas, Dallas will not be an option. You can call it fantasy if you want, but it is more of a real possiblity than thinking Thomas and Salmons will do any more for the Spurs than take up additional cash and roster space.

Nobody is going to want RJ, not the way he's performing and with his contract. It doesn't matter where Bosh wants to go, it's flat out impossible to get him, he has stated he wants to be the clear cut franchise player and that means he wants a max.

[benefactor]

So I guess you have the inside knowledge on where Bosh would like to go, next year. Yeah, I can see why he would want to stay in Canada with all of their additonal taxes. Yeah, Texas, where he is a native, is a horrible place to work with no income tax and the snow free winters of San Antonio. Now, that Dallas has played its hand, if Bosh wants to come back to Texas, Dallas will not be an option. You can call it fantasy if you want, but it is more of a real possiblity than thinking Thomas and Salmons will do any more for the Spurs than take up additional cash and roster space.
The Spurs have 56 million in guaranteed salaries for next season. The salary cap this year was 57 million and it's expected to drop. But hey, I'm sure the Spurs could sell Bosh on all your reasons and get him to accept the MLE. Go get 'em, RC.

[Big P]

I'm for standing pat. There can only be one champion and I don't see a trade that can put us over the top for this year or next at this time. I'd rather take my chances with trying to land Bosh over the summer and a trade of RJ for a couple players of need.

We have no chance of landing Bosh..over the summer...or ever

[dbestpro]

The Spurs have 56 million in guaranteed salaries for next season. The salary cap this year was 57 million and it's expected to drop. But hey, I'm sure the Spurs could sell Bosh on all your reasons and get him to accept the MLE. Go get 'em, RC.

Yeah, that 57 million really held down the salary this year. RJs expiring contract is a jewel in the world of trades for next year. Its funny how everyone says will never happen and no way, but how many of you would think that Shaq and Amare could actually be playing with the Cavs come playoff time last year? The reality because of the way salary is structured and the fact that over half of the NBA teams lose money, anything can happen short of Kobe, Howard, and LeBron.

[dbestpro]

We have no chance of landing Bosh..over the summer...or ever

Sign and trade Manu, Bonner, plus. It could happen. Better going for the gusto than thinking your going to compete for a championship with Chicago's disposables.

[Ice009]

Sign and trade Manu, Bonner, plus. It could happen. Better going for the gusto than thinking your going to compete for a championship with Chicago's disposables.

Your Bosh trade has about a 0.1% chance of happening. Do you actually realize this?


Why would Manu want to play for the Raptors? You do know that Manu has to agree to the sign and trade right? Manu will probably only go to a Championship contender if he can't resign with the Spurs. I'd also be willing to say that Manu would sign for half as much to not play in Toronto if the choice is between teams like LA, Cleveland, Denver. I don't want to say it, but Dallas could even be on his list after this trade. lol imagine that as the topper. Dallas get Manu too ;).

[Mel_13]

Your Bosh trade has about a 0.1% chance of happening. Do you actually realize this?


Why would Manu want to play for the Raptors? You do know that Manu has to agree to the sign and trade right? Manu will probably only go to a Championship contender if he can't resign with the Spurs.

Even if Manu were willing, the Raptors will get many better offers if they ever get to the point of trading Bosh.

There is no remotely reasonable scenario in which Bosh becomes a Spur. They can't sign him as a FA and they don't have the assets to get him in a trade. It's really that simple.

[dbestpro]

Your Bosh trade has about a 0.1% chance of happening. Do you actually realize this?
;).

Those are better odds than believing Salmons and Thomas will deliver you a ring this year.

[HarlemHeat37]

Even if Manu were willing, the Raptors will get many better offers if they ever get to the point of trading Bosh.

There is no remotely reasonable scenario in which Bosh becomes a Spur. They can't sign him as a FA and they don't have the assets to get him in a trade. It's really that simple.

It's quite amazing that people still don't understand this..

As I said before, there should be a ban here on mentioning Bosh..

[slick'81]

yeah bosh for manu isnt happening for tim tony or manu

[Ice009]

Those are better odds than believing Salmons and Thomas will deliver you a ring this year.

No it is not.

[Sean Cagney]

Just as I thought, back on here after midnight and no sign or rumor of a real trade :( This is getting very bleak to say the least. Mavs get better we stay put, just f in great.

[murpjf88]

Just as I thought, back on here after midnight and no sign or rumor of a real trade :( This is getting very bleak to say the least. Mavs get better we stay put, just f in great.

What do you expect from a speculation thread, nothing but dreamers in here. You go to this thread if you need a good laugh.

[poop]

dont worry, the mythic, awesome 'SPLITTER' is coming to save us all :rolleyes

[murpjf88]

dont worry, the mythic, awesome 'SPLITTER' is coming to save us all :rolleyes

Right now, Splitter's game is the equivalent of Shawn bradley's minus the height and block shots.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Just as I thought, back on here after midnight and no sign or rumor of a real trade :( This is getting very bleak to say the least. Mavs get better we stay put, just f in great.


Pop and RC are completely gun shy after the RJ fiasco. Not sure they have 2 balls left between them.

[FeZZy]

:depressed

[DAF86]

I'll be satisfied with a tall defensive presence that Pop is willing to play.

[duncan228]

Celtics want young talent for Allen (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-tradebuzz021310&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
By Marc J. Spears

The Boston Celtics discussed a possible trade for Caron Butler before the Washington Wizards decided to send him to Dallas. The Celtics also have inquired about the availability of Golden State Warriors guard Monta Ellis, Sacramento Kings guard Kevin Martin and Philadelphia 76ers swingman Andre Iguodala. None of the talks have become substantive.

The Celtics would likely include Ray Allen in any big deal, but have made it clear they want an upper-echelon young player in return, regardless of position.

The Celtics also reached out to the Phoenix Suns about Amar’e Stoudemire, but don’t have the means to get a deal done.


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The Portland Trail Blazers, Houston Rockets and Miami Heat were interested in acquiring center Brendan Haywood from the Wizards, but couldn’t put together an adequate offer before the Mavericks landed him.

The Blazers offered Steve Blake, rookie Jeff Pendergraph and a first-round pick for Haywood. When Washington countered by asking for swingman Rudy Fernandez, the Blazers declined. Blazers owner Paul Allen is a big fan of Fernandez.

Haywood turned down a four-year, $35 million contract extension from Washington last summer, but a source said the Mavericks hope to re-sign him after the season.


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The Lakers have tried to move Luke Walton and Sasha Vujacic to shed some salary before Thursday’s trade deadline. One league source the Lakers have even had discussions with one of their Pacific Division rivals: the Blazers. The Blazers, the source said, seem more focused on landing a big man.

[Sean Cagney]

Pop and RC are completely gun shy after the RJ fiasco. Not sure they have 2 balls left between them.

Yes and that will not help us at all, Dallas got better, they were already on par or a game or so better, now they get better and we stand pat? Welp thats not good enough! We are fodder now, the 4th or 5th best team in the west and thats that.

[Sean Cagney]

Celtics want young talent for Allen (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-tradebuzz021310&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
By Marc J. Spears

The Boston Celtics discussed a possible trade for Caron Butler before the Washington Wizards decided to send him to Dallas. The Celtics also have inquired about the availability of Golden State Warriors guard Monta Ellis, Sacramento Kings guard Kevin Martin and Philadelphia 76ers swingman Andre Iguodala. None of the talks have become substantive.

The Celtics would likely include Ray Allen in any big deal, but have made it clear they want an upper-echelon young player in return, regardless of position.

The Celtics also reached out to the Phoenix Suns about Amar’e Stoudemire, but don’t have the means to get a deal done.


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The Portland Trail Blazers, Houston Rockets and Miami Heat were interested in acquiring center Brendan Haywood from the Wizards, but couldn’t put together an adequate offer before the Mavericks landed him.

The Blazers offered Steve Blake, rookie Jeff Pendergraph and a first-round pick for Haywood. When Washington countered by asking for swingman Rudy Fernandez, the Blazers declined. Blazers owner Paul Allen is a big fan of Fernandez.

Haywood turned down a four-year, $35 million contract extension from Washington last summer, but a source said the Mavericks hope to re-sign him after the season.


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The Lakers have tried to move Luke Walton and Sasha Vujacic to shed some salary before Thursday’s trade deadline. One league source the Lakers have even had discussions with one of their Pacific Division rivals: the Blazers. The Blazers, the source said, seem more focused on landing a big man.

Yeah thats great, still no mention of us trading for jack shyt so I could care less and will go to bed depressed again tonight. Great win over Denver, then this Dallas thing happens and now we are behind them even further again. GOOD LORD THIS year is a nightmare, a flat out nightmare for our offseason we had.

[jiggy_55]

Trade RJ for Ray Allen. We need a trade!

[Spurs Brazil]

Sources: Hickson, Ilgauskas to Suns

By Chris Broussard

The Cleveland Cavaliers and Phoenix Suns are closing in on a deal that would send All-Star forward Amare Stoudemire to Cleveland, according to sources with knowledge of the negotiations.

The Cavaliers would send Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson to Phoenix in exchange for Stoudemire, one of the league's most dominant big man.

While Cleveland remains in talks with several other teams, the club, from management down to the players, has settled on Stoudemire as its first choice.

The ball is in Phoenix's court. The Suns are mulling whether the financial relief provided by Ilgauskas's $12 million contract and the young and talented Hickson are enough for them to part with Stoudemire.

Cleveland believes the addition of Stoudemire would all but seal LeBron James' re-signing with the team when he becomes a free agent this summer. The Cavaliers are also prepared to sign Stoudemire, who has one year and $17 million remaining on his contract, to a long-term contract extension once the season ends.

The Suns will likely waive Ilgauskas, which would allow him to be re-signed by Cleveland after 30 days.

Cleveland is also talking with Washington about acquiring Antawn Jamison, as well as Indiana about Troy Murphy. Meanwhile, Golden State is trying to entice the Cavs into taking Corey Maggette for Ilgauskas.

Chris Broussard is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4913305

[TJastal]

Celtics want young talent for Allen (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-tradebuzz021310&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
By Marc J. Spears

The Boston Celtics discussed a possible trade for Caron Butler before the Washington Wizards decided to send him to Dallas. The Celtics also have inquired about the availability of Golden State Warriors guard Monta Ellis, Sacramento Kings guard Kevin Martin and Philadelphia 76ers swingman Andre Iguodala. None of the talks have become substantive.

The Celtics would likely include Ray Allen in any big deal, but have made it clear they want an upper-echelon young player in return, regardless of position.

The Celtics also reached out to the Phoenix Suns about Amar’e Stoudemire, but don’t have the means to get a deal done.


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The Portland Trail Blazers, Houston Rockets and Miami Heat were interested in acquiring center Brendan Haywood from the Wizards, but couldn’t put together an adequate offer before the Mavericks landed him.

The Blazers offered Steve Blake, rookie Jeff Pendergraph and a first-round pick for Haywood. When Washington countered by asking for swingman Rudy Fernandez, the Blazers declined. Blazers owner Paul Allen is a big fan of Fernandez.

Haywood turned down a four-year, $35 million contract extension from Washington last summer, but a source said the Mavericks hope to re-sign him after the season.


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The Lakers have tried to move Luke Walton and Sasha Vujacic to shed some salary before Thursday’s trade deadline. One league source the Lakers have even had discussions with one of their Pacific Division rivals: the Blazers. The Blazers, the source said, seem more focused on landing a big man.

Haywood turned down a 4 year 35mil contract... so he thinks he's gonna be worth more than 9m a year? Wow, Mark Cuban can you say Erick Dampier part 2?

[Ice009]

Haywood turned down a 4 year 35mil contract... so he thinks he's gonna be worth more than 9m a year? Wow, Mark Cuban can you say Erick Dampier part 2?

Maybe he turned it down because he didn't want to play for the Wizards anymore. It's easier to go when you are a free agent.

[ffadicted]

Sources: Hickson, Ilgauskas to Suns

By Chris Broussard

The Cleveland Cavaliers and Phoenix Suns are closing in on a deal that would send All-Star forward Amare Stoudemire to Cleveland, according to sources with knowledge of the negotiations.

The Cavaliers would send Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson to Phoenix in exchange for Stoudemire, one of the league's most dominant big man.

While Cleveland remains in talks with several other teams, the club, from management down to the players, has settled on Stoudemire as its first choice.

The ball is in Phoenix's court. The Suns are mulling whether the financial relief provided by Ilgauskas's $12 million contract and the young and talented Hickson are enough for them to part with Stoudemire.

Cleveland believes the addition of Stoudemire would all but seal LeBron James' re-signing with the team when he becomes a free agent this summer. The Cavaliers are also prepared to sign Stoudemire, who has one year and $17 million remaining on his contract, to a long-term contract extension once the season ends.

The Suns will likely waive Ilgauskas, which would allow him to be re-signed by Cleveland after 30 days.

Cleveland is also talking with Washington about acquiring Antawn Jamison, as well as Indiana about Troy Murphy. Meanwhile, Golden State is trying to entice the Cavs into taking Corey Maggette for Ilgauskas.

Chris Broussard is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4913305

This is exactly why the league needs a fucking hard cap. Basically they'll be trading JJ Hickson for Amare Stoudamire if this goes through. I'm not sure how much he helps them besides Shaq, but it's still fucking shameful how much this league is driven by money rather then basketball.

[TJastal]

This is exactly why the league needs a fucking hard cap. Basically they'll be trading JJ Hickson for Amare Stoudamire if this goes through. I'm not sure how much he helps them besides Shaq, but it's still fucking shameful how much this league is driven by money rather then basketball.

I get what you're sayin about the inequity of salary, but taking a look at the trade itself, Stoudemire and Shaq were a horrible combination in PHO and if this trade went through the cavs will be a worse team

Hickson is the perfect complimentary player for Lebron, he's a guy who is always cutting to the rim and getting easy dunks from Lebron's talented passing ability.

I can't even imagine what Stoudemire would even do in the cavs offense without Shaq around. With Shaq it would be a total disaster. Stoudemire is just going to stand around at the free throw and elbows waiting for passes.. which aren't going to come. Lebron will have one less really good option to work with which is going to hurt.

This is one of those cases where star power < good role player fit. I hope the cavs are really dumb enough to do this.

[venitian navigator]

Tryng to have a little fantasy in trades, here is a possible three teams scenario :

s.a. : Maggette and Murphy
G.S. : Jefferson
Indiana : Finley + Bonner + B. Wright + 2nd (first ?) SA Draft choice

It works on ESPN trade machine...and there are reasons for all the teams involved to make it...

[jermaine]

Trade RJ for Ray Allen. We need a trade!

That would be good for both teams. We need a 3pt shooter an they want someone like him an Rondo would set him up way better than any Spur could! I'm going to pray for this trade.

[ElNono]

Would you guys be willing to part ways with a young talent like Blair in order to dump RJ's salary? Do you think this FO would pull the trigger if offered that?

[jermaine]

Would you guys be willing to part ways with a young talent like Blair in order to dump RJ's salary? Do you think this FO would pull the trigger if offered that?

For who?

[Bruno]

The Portland Trail Blazers, Houston Rockets and Miami Heat were interested in acquiring center Brendan Haywood from the Wizards, but couldn’t put together an adequate offer before the Mavericks landed him.


I find it interesting to note that Spurs haven't tried to get Haywood while they try to get Tyrus Thomas.

It's possible that Spurs are more focused on getting mobility in the frontcourt rather than size. Given the landscape in the NBA, it would make some logic. Dallas is now arguably the second best team in the West and has Dirk at PF. Odom' role with Lakers is raising. In the East, Atlanta and Orlando has mobile PF. And if Stoudamire is going to Cleveland, they will also have a mobile PF.

Last summer, the logic behind the Haislip signing was to have a player to match against these mobile PF. With the failure of this try, a trade for a player to match mobile PFs seems to be the enxt step to do for Spurs FO.


It's also noteworthy that Mavs and maybe Cavs have been able to make great trades with their expiring contracts. If Spurs are ready to take some additional salary for 2010-2011, they could also get a steal.

[AFBlue]

Would you guys be willing to part ways with a young talent like Blair in order to dump RJ's salary? Do you think this FO would pull the trigger if offered that?

No, because I think if the Spurs FO waits until the off-season, they'll be able to unload Jefferson's expiring contract without giving up someone as talented as Blair.

The other option would be to trade RJ now for a less cap-friendly deal, like Maggette, and maybe only give up a future first-round pick.

[ElNono]

For who?

Whoever. Just as a sweetener so some other team would be enticed to pick up RJ's contract for next year. I'm not even sure it's possible to ship Blair, but wondering if people would pull the trigger if it would be their decision...

[ElNono]

No, because I think if the Spurs FO waits until the off-season, they'll be able to unload Jefferson's expiring contract without giving up someone as talented as Blair.

I'm not sure they could move him in the offseason. I think they would need to wait at least until next February, and I think it would be too late IF he's still not fitting in...

[Spursfanfromafar]

I find it interesting to note that Spurs haven't tried to get Haywood while they try to get Tyrus Thomas.

It's possible that Spurs are more focused on getting mobility in the frontcourt rather than size. Given the landscape in the NBA, it would make some logic. Dallas is now arguably the second best team in the West and has Dirk at PF. Odom' role with Lakers is raising. In the East, Atlanta and Orlando has mobile PF. And if Stoudamire is going to Cleveland, they will also have a mobile PF.

Last summer, the logic behind the Haislip signing was to have a player to match against these mobile PF. With the failure of this try, a trade for a player to match mobile PFs seems to be the enxt step to do for Spurs FO.


It's also noteworthy that Mavs and maybe Cavs have been able to make great trades with their expiring contracts. If Spurs are ready to take some additional salary for 2010-2011, they could also get a steal.

Interesting. But who are those mobile bigs that the Spurs can target with their present assets?

[timvp]

As I mentioned in the other thread, a deal that might make sense is RMJ, Finley and Bonner for Josh Howard. Howard sucks so far this season but he could turn it around in another situation. Plus, since he has an expiring deal, it'd be a low risk move. I don't see a reason why the Wizards wouldn't do it, especially if the Spurs add a couple second rounders to the mix.

This obviously wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the wish list but it would be better than nothing.

[ohmwrecker]

No fucking way. We can't give up the future just to get rid of Jefferson and replace him with some other middling forward. Maggette? Please. The only way we trade Blair or Hill is if they can yield LBJ, Bosh, Wade or another superstar. If that's the case, then I would trade anyone excepting Timmy.

[AFBlue]

As I mentioned in the other thread, a deal that might make sense is RMJ, Finley and Bonner for Josh Howard. Howard sucks so far this season but he could turn it around in another situation. Plus, since he has an expiring deal, it'd be a low risk move. I don't see a reason why the Wizards wouldn't do it, especially if the Spurs add a couple second rounders to the mix.

This obviously wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the wish list but it would be better than nothing.

According to this (http://www.docsports.com/2008/nba-trading-rules-361.html), a player can only be traded in a one-for-one swap right away. If it's a multi-player deal then it has to wait 60 days.

I don't know how credible the source is, but that would essentially put the nix on your trade proposal if true.

[kobyz]

As I mentioned in the other thread, a deal that might make sense is RMJ, Finley and Bonner for Josh Howard. Howard sucks so far this season but he could turn it around in another situation. Plus, since he has an expiring deal, it'd be a low risk move. I don't see a reason why the Wizards wouldn't do it, especially if the Spurs add a couple second rounders to the mix.

This obviously wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the wish list but it would be better than nothing.

it will be good for us but no chance the Wizards do it, why for them to do nothing + second rounders for Howard, Howard could contribute big for them and they may will want to keep him for their future, you need to give talent for Howard.

[santymrc]

Ship Tony (I think Hill is a better PG than him) to get a dominant big man and thats it, include in the package Finley if necessary.
I can't see any trade not involving TP couse he's the only guy that can bring a valuable player in return. Plus he's playing the worst D i have ever seen on a Spurs uniform and looks injury prone more and more.
If we can get something in return that fits our needs, im ok about trading Tony.

[Mel_13]

According to this (http://www.docsports.com/2008/nba-trading-rules-361.html), a player can only be traded in a one-for-one swap right away. If it's a multi-player deal then it has to wait 60 days.

I don't know how credible the source is, but that would essentially put the nix on your trade proposal if true.

The Wizards can't combine Howard with other players in a trade, but they could trade him by himself for multiple players on another team.

In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

* For two months after receiving the player in trade or claiming him off waivers, if the player is being traded in combination with other players. However, the team is free to trade the player by himself (not packaged with other players) immediately.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q87

[Mel_13]

it will be good for us but no chance the Wizards do it, why for them to do nothing + second rounders for Howard, Howard could contribute big for them and they may will want to keep him for their future, you need to give talent for Howard.

Howard has no part in Washington's future and they would surely flip him for the right package. I don't believe our expiring contracts and a couple of late second round picks would be enough.

[Bruno]

Interesting. But who are those mobile bigs that the Spurs can target with their present assets?

Tyrus Thomas is ones and Spurs are said to be after. They are surely other names. You just had to look at the 29 other NBA teams rosters.


As I mentioned in the other thread, a deal that might make sense is RMJ, Finley and Bonner for Josh Howard. Howard sucks so far this season but he could turn it around in another situation. Plus, since he has an expiring deal, it'd be a low risk move. I don't see a reason why the Wizards wouldn't do it, especially if the Spurs add a couple second rounders to the mix.

This obviously wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the wish list but it would be better than nothing.

Wizards main priority will be to go under the luxury tax. They are $3M above after the Mavs trade. I can see them trading Howard if it allows them to go under the tax but your trade don't allow them to do so.

[Johnny RIngo]

As I mentioned in the other thread, a deal that might make sense is RMJ, Finley and Bonner for Josh Howard. Howard sucks so far this season but he could turn it around in another situation. Plus, since he has an expiring deal, it'd be a low risk move. I don't see a reason why the Wizards wouldn't do it, especially if the Spurs add a couple second rounders to the mix.

This obviously wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the wish list but it would be better than nothing.

I bet Pop is frothing with excitement at the prospect of having Howard play power forward for us.

[Slinkyman]

Tyrus Thomas is ones and Spurs are said to be after. They are surely other names. You just had to look at the 29 other NBA teams rosters.



Wizards main priority will be to go under the luxury tax. They are $3M above after the Mavs trade. I can see them trading Howard if it allows them to go under the tax but your trade don't allow them to do so.

Finley+Bonner+RMJ make 1.3 million less then Howard, throw in some 2nd rounders and cash and that may be enough.

[FeZZy]

i don't care who just please get someone

[ducks]

I bet Pop is frothing with excitement at the prospect of having Howard play power forward for us.

howard will never be what he once was just like manu
and spurs do not need a 1 quarter guy they need a 3 and 4 quarter guy

[ducks]

i don't care who just please get someone

sooooooooooooo
spurs should trade their 12 man for someones else 12 man?

[FeZZy]

sooooooooooooo
spurs should trade their 12 man for someones else 12 man?
only if its the 1992 dream team

[ace3g]

Sources: Teams sweeten Amare offers

By Chris Broussard
ESPN The Magazine
Archive

While Cleveland has zeroed in on Amare Stoudemire, it benefits the Suns to let the process play out until the last hours before Thursday's deadline.

Sources with knowledge of the negotiations said Saturday night that the Cavs and Suns were in serious talks about a deal that would send Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson to Phoenix in exchange for Stoudemire, one of the league's most dominant big man.

Stoudemire is averaging 21.2 points and 8.6 rebounds on the season.

But reports that the five-time All-Star Stoudemire could be headed to Cleveland have led other clubs to spice up their offers to Phoenix, according to sources.

The ball is now in Phoenix's court.

The Suns are mulling over whether the financial relief provided by Ilgauskas' $12 million contract -- they'll likely waive Ilgauskas after the trade -- and the young and talented Hickson are enough for them to part with an impact player like Stoudemire.

And the Cavaliers have to be fairly certain that Stoudemire would be willing to re-sign with them before giving up the fast-improving Hickson.

However, according to sources, Philadelphia's Andre Iguodala, appears to be the Suns' top choice.

So far, the Sixers have been leery of giving up their best player for Stoudemire.

While Stoudemire has good relationships with LeBron James and Shaquille O'Neal, some close to Stoudemire believe Miami -- where he lives during the summer -- is his first choice.

Miami has pursued Stoudemire hard but has no one on its roster (besides Dwyane Wade) that interests Phoenix, according to sources. That includes Michael Beasley. So it would take a three-team deal for Stoudemire to be traded to the Heat.

Of course, Cleveland can also pursue three-team deals that would sweeten the offer for Phoenix.

Chris Broussard is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4913834&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_4913834

[ace3g]

Sources: Teams sweeten Amare offers

By Chris Broussard
ESPN The Magazine
Archive

While Cleveland has zeroed in on Amare Stoudemire, it benefits the Suns to let the process play out until the last hours before Thursday's deadline.

Sources with knowledge of the negotiations said Saturday night that the Cavs and Suns were in serious talks about a deal that would send Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson to Phoenix in exchange for Stoudemire, one of the league's most dominant big man.

Stoudemire is averaging 21.2 points and 8.6 rebounds on the season.

But reports that the five-time All-Star Stoudemire could be headed to Cleveland have led other clubs to spice up their offers to Phoenix, according to sources.

The ball is now in Phoenix's court.

The Suns are mulling over whether the financial relief provided by Ilgauskas' $12 million contract -- they'll likely waive Ilgauskas after the trade -- and the young and talented Hickson are enough for them to part with an impact player like Stoudemire.

And the Cavaliers have to be fairly certain that Stoudemire would be willing to re-sign with them before giving up the fast-improving Hickson.

However, according to sources, Philadelphia's Andre Iguodala, appears to be the Suns' top choice.

So far, the Sixers have been leery of giving up their best player for Stoudemire.

While Stoudemire has good relationships with LeBron James and Shaquille O'Neal, some close to Stoudemire believe Miami -- where he lives during the summer -- is his first choice.

Miami has pursued Stoudemire hard but has no one on its roster (besides Dwyane Wade) that interests Phoenix, according to sources. That includes Michael Beasley. So it would take a three-team deal for Stoudemire to be traded to the Heat.

Of course, Cleveland can also pursue three-team deals that would sweeten the offer for Phoenix.

Chris Broussard is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4913834&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_4913834

[duncan228]

Duncan says he doesn't expect anything to happen in his post All-Star game interview.

http://www.nba.com/spurs/multimedia/100214_duncan.html

[spurs10]

Duncan says he doesn't expect anything to happen in his post All-Star game interview.

http://www.nba.com/spurs/multimedia/100214_duncan.html
He probably knows.

[hsxvvd]

only if its the 1992 dream team

Christian Laettner?

He's big.

[FeZZy]

Why have we given up on antawn jamison..there's still a chance he was my first choice anyway i say expirings 1st round pick and spiltter for this guy hes matt bonner 2.0 but he's BLACK!

[FeZZy]

Christian Laettner?

He's big.

good choice man haha :lol

[MaNu4Tres]

Duncan says he doesn't expect anything to happen in his post All-Star game interview.

http://www.nba.com/spurs/multimedia/100214_duncan.html

That's what he's suppose to say.

Tim has never thrown his team under the bus in the middle of the season unlike some " players of the decade."

[jiggy_55]

Why have we given up on antawn jamison..there's still a chance he was my first choice anyway i say expirings 1st round pick and spiltter for this guy hes matt bonner 2.0 but he's BLACK!

I completely agree! The Wizards it seems are willing to deal him now that they got rid of butler, haywood and stevenson.. He could be had for some more expirings I assume.. And it seems the Cavs have more interest in Amare and are trying to close a deal with the Suns.. The Spurs should definitely make an inquiry on Jamison's availability!

[Interrohater]

I don't wanna give up on Splitter. We've waited this long for him, we might as well let it pan out. He may surprise a lot of people here, let's give him a chance. People say he has no post game, I don't care about a post game. I want a big body who'll grab rebounds and intimidate shooters around the rim. If he has a hook or a 10 ft jumper, then I'm down. As seen here (http://www.youtube.com/watch#playnext=1&playnext_from=TL&videos=ITYe88lQtUE&v=tY9ZpAlVJNg), a few months ago, he moves aggressively and powerfully. Who knows if he'll fit? I'd rather give him a shot than trade his rights and regret the decision.