Official Trade Deadline Speculation Thread

[Bruno]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Al7q4vcPXvLf96U.lHFIq1.8vLYF?slug=aw-tradebuzz021510&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


The Clippers have made Al Thornton available, sources said, and are trying to package guard Sebastian Telfair in a deal with him or center Marcus Camby

It's a confirmation of previous rumors.

Telfair's salary of $2.7M in 2010-2011 seems like a reasonable price to pay to get Thornton or Camby. Even if he is damn old, I like more Camby because he could help more Spurs this year.

[Texas_Ranger]

Manu and Finley for Telfair, Camby and Thornton.

[Bruno]

I'd rather do Telfair, Thornton and Camby for Bonner, Finley, Mason, Mahinmi and Hairston.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I'd rather do Telfair, Thornton and Camby for Bonner, Finley, Mason, Mahinmi and Hairston.

Either that or I will push for Richard Jefferson to be traded to them, if they are willing to bite. The Clippers are not expecting any decent free agent to come to them next year without overpricing himself and they are in need of a good SF.

I think they are in the look out for Iguodala at a maximum and RJ/Josh Howard should be part of their mix of wanted SFs.

Other contenders for Camby must include the Blazers, Rockets and Thunder. The Blazers will only offer Outlaw as the Clips' SF, but he is injured all year and not a consistent piece that they would like. Rockets will try dangling McGrady's expiring but they have nothing more and the Clips know that TMac won't play for them next year. Thunder can only offer Harpring + Etan Thomas; both of whom don't fill the Clips' need.

The Sixers want to move Dalembert as well if they will to sell Iguodala and that is not to the liking of the Clips.

All that means that some amount of persuasion and last minute phone burn can possibly land Camby from Clips for RJ, if the Spurs have indeed given up on him.

[Bruno]

Either that or I will push for Richard Jefferson to be traded to them, if they are willing to bite. The Clippers are not expecting any decent free agent to come to them next year without overpricing himself and they are in need of a good SF.

The reason why they want to dump Telfair is to have as much cap space as possible for this summer. Trading for RJ will do the opposite, it doesn't make a lot of sense for them.



Other contenders for Camby must include the Blazers, Rockets and Thunder.

I highly doubt these teams are ready to offer a lot for Camby. They are pretender with a young core. Going after a 36 years old Camby doesn't make a lot of sense for them.

[MaNu4Tres]

the reason why they want to dump telfair is to have as much cap space as possible for this summer. Trading for rj will do the opposite, it doesn't make a lot of sense for them.





+1

[Texas_Ranger]

I'd rather do Telfair, Thornton and Camby for Bonner, Finley, Mason, Mahinmi and Hairston.

Yea, you're right. But would the Clippers accept all those not so good players?

[Spursfanfromafar]

I highly doubt these teams are ready to offer a lot for Camby. They are pretender with a young core. Going after a 36 years old Camby doesn't make a lot of sense for them.

They are also playoff contenders lacking big men. Blazers with both centers injured, Rockets with Chuck Hayes, and Thunder lacking an experienced big. All of whom would like Camby and his half season rental for this season's stretch run alone.

Except I agree they don't want to offer the Clips much.


The reason why they want to dump Telfair is to have as much cap space as possible for this summer. Trading for RJ will do the opposite, it doesn't make a lot of sense for them.

The Clips will ideally want to both cut salaries and add a decent SF to their core. Hence their wanting to give away Telfair and Thornton, both of whom they have lost interest in after a series of poor and lackadaisical displays in the past seasons.

As Dunleavy Sr himself said some time back, they are not keen on being in a situation where someone will do a Brand on them. They will make a trade to get what piece they want right now and not wait till the offseason to do the needful. Question is, if RJ can be that piece.

[Bruno]

Yea, you're right. But would the Clippers accept all those not so good players?

It's all about the contracts in this trade like the Dallas/Wizards trade. If it isn't enough, Spurs could also add a draft pick.

Manu also isn't that interesting for Clippers. They are going nowhere this year and Manu will likely leave them this summer as a free agent.

[gospursgojas]

I'd rather do Telfair, Thornton and Camby for Bonner, Finley, Mason, Mahinmi and Hairston.

+1

Im more than down with this trade

[Stringer_Bell]

I'd rather do Telfair, Thornton and Camby for Bonner, Finley, Mason, Mahinmi and Hairston.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've felt like Camby has a decent number of miles on him and even though he's a consistent defense/rebounding piece, he's not too smart.

Also, I'd like to keep Mason if possible and just trade the others if the numbers still worked. I like Bonner's work ethic, but right now it's not worth keeping him when we can basically exchange 20 points of offense for 10 and a bit of defensive grit.

I feel the Spurs as a team will be better no matter what after the deadline, they will have a belief that THIS is the final line-up and if they are gonna win anything in the playoffs they can only rely on each other and no magic bullet.

[Bruno]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've felt like Camby has a decent number of miles on him and even though he's a consistent defense/rebounding piece, he's not too smart.

Camby has some flaws and he is overrated but the question is: who would rather play in the frontcourt with Tim, Dice and Blair: Camby or Bonner?
For me, the answer is quite easy.



Also, I'd like to keep Mason if possible and just trade the others if the numbers still worked.

Mason must be included to match salaries.
Now if Spurs do a trade like that, they will lose a lot of shooting. A logical move after this trade would be to sign a shooter for the end of the bench.

[Muser]

What shooters are there? The only FA shooter off the top of my head is Wally Szczerbiak.

[Bruno]

Some vets will be bought out or waived after the trade deadline. If Finley is traded to Clippers, I can see them buying him out and Finley re-signing with Spurs after the mandatory 30 days.

Among current FAs, you have some players like Von Wafer or McCants who have been injured sooner this year and are maybe now healthy. In the D-League, Morris Almond or Coby Karl could fill the bill.

[Spursmania]

I bet Pop is frothing with excitement at the prospect of having Howard play power forward for us.

That would be funny as hell. Howard would want sweet revenge against Cuban that's for sure. Bet he's toking it up right now.:lol

[tp2021]

I'd rather do Telfair, Thornton and Camby for Bonner, Finley, Mason, Mahinmi and Hairston.

Now that is a trade suggestion :tu

[AFBlue]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Al7q4vcPXvLf96U.lHFIq1.8vLYF?slug=aw-tradebuzz021510&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


From that same article...


The Nuggets have actively searched for a big man in recent weeks, working to pry younger (DeAndre Jordan(notes)) and older ones (Antonio McDyess(notes)

Interesting that a team would look to someone like McDyess, who has a year and a half left on his contract (plus some money owed in year 3), and still consider it.

I wonder what the Nuggets offered...JR Smith? :wakeup

[timvp]

Thornton might be the dumbest player in the league. His basketball IQ doesn't exist.

That said, the Spurs love players who do well against them and Thornton has destroyed the Spurs multiple times. It seems like Thornton has scored about half his career points against Bonner in iso situations.

Personally, if the Clippers demand Thornton or Telfair added to a deal that would bring Camby, I'd pick Telfair. He pretty much sucks but the Spurs actually have a need for a ballhandler and there's a chance he doesn't pick up his player option next season.

[ohmwrecker]

From that same article...



Interesting that a team would look to someone like McDyess, who has a year and a half left on his contract (plus some money owed in year 3), and still consider it.

I wonder what the Nuggets offered...JR Smith? :wakeup

They wouldn't and no thank you. Earl Smith is a perfect fit on the Thuggets.

[I. Hustle]

There are a few other trade rumors popping up on ESPN

[tdunk21]

Yahoo! Sports - 02/15 - 6:27 AM EST (AP Photo)

The Clippers are making young forward Al Thornton available, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Los Angeles is trying to package Thornton with guard Sebastian Telfair or center Marcus Camby.

A number of teams have inquired about DeAndre Jordan, but the Clippers don't appear willing to deal him.

can we do something like

give:
mason, finley, bonner and ian

get:
camby and thornton

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NBA&id=1371&line=129633&spln=1

sorry if i posted in the wrong thread...
??? discuss

[The Truth #6]

Camby is a good rebounder and blocks shots but as a DPOY I think he's overrated. Never thought his team defense was great so I'm curious how he would fit. He rebounds well and is tall so I suppose that's the obvious benefit.

Telfair plays like a dick, at least against the Spurs when he seems to constantly give cheap shots to Manu, at least in my opinion.

If you think the season can be saved then Camby is an improvement. I don't think the season can be saved, so I'd rather pursue other options or stand pat.

[widowmaker]

I would say more like finley, bonner, Ian. Mason needs to stay and if it's a money issue then I would say no.

[AFBlue]

ESPNs Chad Ford has a list of teams that are Buyers and Sellers...Spurs not listed in either category and the names are nothing new.

Ford lists both Bulls (Hinrich, Salmons, Thomas) and Kings (Nocioni, Martin, Kenny Thomas' expiring) as sellers, which I think are the best suitors for a deal involving the Spurs.

[admiralsnackbar]

ESPNs Chad Ford has a list of teams that are Buyers and Sellers...Spurs not listed in either category and the names are nothing new.


While I'm not optimistic about a trade at this point, I have to believe the odds of Chad Ford having any insight into the workings of our front office approach 0.

[AFBlue]

While I'm not optimistic about a trade at this point, I have to believe the odds of Chad Ford having any insight into the workings of our front office approach 0.

I'm just amazed that he listed the Bucks as a buyer and neglected to mention the Spurs. One has to think that the Spurs will attempt to be buyers given their lack of production from key players to this point.

Again, I looked at the article more for the sellers to see if there were any new names...didn't really see anything new or special, except the random Bucks mention.

[5in10]

I think it's safe to say the spurs aren't going to make any moves, which is disappointing. At the same time, it makes me curious to know what kind of moves the front office intends to make this summer.

[benefactor]

48 hours away from Pop's "We're going with what we've got...this team can still gel" speech. :spin

[Duncan2177]

48 hours away from Pop's "We're going with what we've got...this team can still gel" speech. :spin

Okay poop :jack

[admiralsnackbar]

Again, I looked at the article more for the sellers to see if there were any new names...didn't really see anything new or special, except the random Bucks mention.

My intention was only to discredit Ford, not your post -- sorry if it came off wrong. :toast

[FvckMavs]

I just sent out a couple e-mails. We'll see what happens.

Good or bad?

[ffadicted]

I just sent out a couple e-mails. We'll see what happens.

:jack

[Sean Cagney]

ESPNs Chad Ford has a list of teams that are Buyers and Sellers...Spurs not listed in either category and the names are nothing new.

Ford lists both Bulls (Hinrich, Salmons, Thomas) and Kings (Nocioni, Martin, Kenny Thomas' expiring) as sellers, which I think are the best suitors for a deal involving the Spurs.

Another day I wake up to see SHYT. This is getting very depressing now, nothing is going to happen and we all know it.

[rjv]

if we make any move it would be one of a smaller measure

[arakkus]

If Phoenix would take Hickson and an expiring contract wouldn't

Blair,Finley, and ginoboli for Stoudamire work?

Would we want to do this trade?

[AFBlue]

My intention was only to discredit Ford, not your post -- sorry if it came off wrong. :toast

It didn't...no worries.

[Mhak]

I don't think the spurs will make a move. I think they will roll with this group.

I also think winning in denver probably boosted Pop's ego. Since he won in denver with small ball with one of the elite group in the west, He will ride with it.

We have still have a chance to win but the ratio or odd isn't to good for us.

[timvp]

If Phoenix would take Hickson and an expiring contract wouldn't

Blair,Finley, and ginoboli for Stoudamire work?

Would we want to do this trade?

Blair's knees still limit his value. Most GMs would take Hickson before Blair for that reason.

[Libri]

I just sent out a couple e-mails. We'll see what happens.

Johnny Ludden?

[Duncan2177]

I don't think the spurs will make a move. I think they will roll with this group.

I also think winning in denver probably boosted Pop's ego. Since he won in denver with small ball with one of the elite group in the west, He will ride with it.

We have still have a chance to win but the ratio or odd isn't to good for us.

If Pop is like that he sure is one delusional motherfucker.

[Mel_13]

Blair's knees still limit his value. Most GMs would take Hickson before Blair for that reason.

That's the sort of thing that many FO critics around here don't want to accept. Even if you assume that the Spurs would want the players being mentioned, they may not be able to match the offers from other teams at all or only by using assets they want to protect.

Same thing with Dallas/Washington trade. San Antonio would have needed to added Blair, Hill, or a first rounder to trump Dallas' package.

[crc21209]

Anyone interested in a Thornton/Camby or Telfair package?

Clippers Making Thornton Available

The Clippers are making young forward Al Thornton available, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Los Angeles is trying to package Thornton with guard Sebastian Telfair or center Marcus Camby.

A number of teams have inquired about DeAndre Jordan, but the Clippers don't appear willing to deal him.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64713/20100215/clippers_making_thornton_available/#

[Ocotillo]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/act_richard_jefferson.jpg = http://www.anu.edu.au/BoZo/Double/images/Shy%20albatross.jpg around the neck

[admiralsnackbar]

Fail. Albatrosses play better D.

[murpjf88]

Clippers giving up Thorton after two seasons? Doesn't make sense.

[Blackjack]

Wizards looking to move $2.6 million; avoid luxury tax (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/13263/wizards-looking-to-move-2-6-million-avoid-luxury-tax)

By Chris Sheridan

As I mentioned in today's live chat, the Washington Wizards are not done dealing. And their next priority is moving $2.6 million in salary to get below the luxury tax line.

For practical purposes, that means they are trying to include Mike James and his expiring $6.47 million contract in a package with Antawn Jamison ($11.6 million) and/or Mike Miller ($9.8 million), and they'd do a lopsided trade that favored the other team if it got them under the tax.

Also, the league office has clarified its gray area stance on the tradeability of Javaris Crittenton, telling the Wizards it is highly unlikely any trade involving the suspended Crittenton and his expiring contract would be approved. (The league office would not, however, stand in the way of a Gilbert Arenas trade, since Arenas has several years remaining on his contract.) Washington had been led to believe otherwise, but it is a moot point anyway because the Wizards do not have any deals on the table involving Crittenton.

[lmbebo]

How about this 3 way trade?

Chicago Bulls get
1) Brian Cardinall
2) Matt Boner
+/- a 1st rounder from MInny?

Spurs get:
1) Tyrus THomas
2) Salmons

Minnesota Wolves get:
1) Ian Mahini
2) Mike Finley
3) Mason Jr.

Salaries work out

Spurs the long athletic big man they want. A serviceable 2/3 as well.

Chicago gets nearly $10 million in contracts that come off this summer.

Minny gets a SG and a raw big man they could pair next to Love. Maybe lose a 1st rounder in this to make it work. Maybe the spurs trade away a 2nd rounder...

Minny doesnt get much out of this deal, but doesnt take on much salary either. They facilitate.

[FeZZy]

For practical purposes, that means they are trying to include Mike James and his expiring $6.47 million contract in a package with Antawn Jamison ($11.6 million) and/or Mike Miller ($9.8 million), and they'd do a lopsided trade that favored the other team if it got them under the tax.


if we could put a deal together to get antawn jamison i wouldn't mind mike james for a season besides his 6 mil contract expires at the end of the season

[crc21209]

Jamison, James, and Oberto for Bonner, Finley, Mason, etc..:tu

[jimo2305]

'tawn has scared me sometimes..b ut i'll take 'tawn WAAAAAAAAAAYYY before i roll with mcdyess

[FeZZy]

'tawn has scared me sometimes..b ut i'll take 'tawn WAAAAAAAAAAYYY before i roll with mcdyess
what scared you? the way i see it tawn a 4 who can shoot 3's yet has enough size to rebound well but is athletic unlike bonner and puts dice on the bench were he's more comfortable

[Mel_13]

RJ+Dice for Jamison+Miller.

Washington gets under the tax this season (net of 7-8M), Spurs add 3M in lux tax.

Washington increases salary by 7M next season, San Antonio decreases the same.

San Antonio increases salary by 15M for 2011-12, Washington decreases the same. (long lockout reduces this future obligation)

Probably has no chance of happening, but pull for the Cavs to get Amare so that Washington's best customer for Jamison disappears.

[crc21209]

RJ+Dice for Jamison+Miller.

Washington gets under the tax this season (net of 7-8M)

Washington increases salary by 7M next season, San Antonio decreases the same.

San Antonio increases salary by 15M for 2011-12, Washington decreases the same. (long lockout reduces this future obligation)

Probably has no chance of happening, but pull for the Cavs to get Amare so that Washington's best customer for Jamison disappears.

Miami has now become interested in Jamison as well...

[JustinJDW]

Hmm, I guess we are going with what we got.

[jimo2305]

what scared you? the way i see it tawn a 4 who can shoot 3's yet has enough size to rebound well but is athletic unlike bonner and puts dice on the bench were he's more comfortable

tawn's up there in age.. and he's had some bad games.. and the whole injury thing he came out of..

but i know as a spur he'll still produce more than what we've got right now

[Mhak]

Antawn Jamison Trade.....will never ever happen. Stop dreaming on this one! or atleast wake up from your fantasy!!

[Mhak]

Hmm, I guess we are going with what we got.


This is more highly likely will happen. We can only hope it will turn out right. If not rebuild next year. Splitter hopefully will come (not saying he is a saviour) and a lot of old geezers will be gone next year.

[jesterbobman]

I don't know the exact amount Memphis has left in cap space, but a deal of Randy Foye to their or to Orlando (TE from Hedo deal) makes a bit of sense for those teams, though I'd imagine Wasington would rather move Jamison than cheap talent.(And Moving Foye now when tthey gave up the 5th pick to get him would just make them look dumb)

[SCdac]

Hmm, I guess we are going with what we got.

Why do you say that? because there hasn't been many rumors? I wouldn't put too much stock in that. If anything I'd say the FO is just really mum about any moves their trying to make, as always. When we traded for Jefferson it caught everybody by surprise. No reason to think it couldn't happen again. All the teams talk to each other, and who knows what (further) develops between now and thursday..... I haven't given up on the FO making a move..... But it's certainly not imminent.

[jimo2305]

Antawn Jamison Trade.....will never ever happen. Stop dreaming on this one! or atleast wake up from your fantasy!!

lol u sound like me when ppl were talking about getting stoudemire..

[Mhak]

Why do you say that? because there hasn't been many rumors? I wouldn't put too much stock in that. If anything I'd say the FO is just really mum about any moves their trying to make, as always. When we traded for Jefferson it caught everybody by surprise. No reason to think it couldn't happen again. All the teams talk to each other, and who knows what (further) develops between now and thursday..... I haven't given up on the FO making a move..... But it's certainly not imminent.

Spurs will not make a big move or not make a move at all. I think the FO is likely looking at the future and do not want to lose grounds or affect the future.

Lets face it. Even Duncan's time to retire is nearing, FO will try and do their job to get help for him and win more champoinship. Every champions has to know when to rebuild.

Don't be twisted, I have not given up to the spurs. I am merely stating that you can't win it all. They will be the time we will get back there again.

[duncan228]

On The Block: Antawn Jamison, Wizards (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=tsn-ontheblockantawnjami&prov=tsn&type=lgns)
SportingNews

The facts: Even before the suspension of star guard Gilbert Arenas, Washington was having the most disappointing season of any team in the NBA. The Wizards have already begun dismantling their core, sending forward Caron Butler, center Brendan Haywood and guard DeShawn Stevenson to Dallas in a trade this past weekend. Now, the Wizards are considering whether to further the rebuilding by giving up Jamison.

Bait needed: Unless they plan on re-signing small forward Josh Howard, the Wizards got very little in return for Butler and Haywood, so if they are to deal Jamison, they’ll need to get something besides cap relief—either a draft pick, a young player or both.

Welcome mat: For weeks, word of the Cavaliers’ interest in Jamison has been prominent on the rumor mill, but with Cleveland focusing on talks with Phoenix for power forward Amare Stoudemire, Jamison has been pushed to the back burner. But interest in adding Jamison has sprouted up elsewhere—there was some talk of interest from Charlotte—but the hardest charge is now coming from the Heat, who badly need another scorer to complement guard Dwyane Wade. If Jamison is to be traded, Miami may be the likeliest destination.

Logic test: The Wizards like Jamison. Last season, when the team was wracked by injuries, Jamison was ever the professional. He played hard and set a good example for the team’s younger players. He is the kind of guy the franchise would like to keep around, but with a prohibitive contract (two more years, at $28 million), Washington could create significant cap space by dealing him. Still, the Wizards are in no hurry to move Jamison—they could ride out the season with him and see what the market for him is around draft time.

So they say: "I’d like to see us improve our personnel. No matter who it is, if we can get someone to help us, I am all for it. When you are playing in this league, you dont want to give a season away for rebuilding." —Wade on the possibility of the Heat adding a player—Jamison, perhaps—at the deadline.

Bottom line: The Wizards need to start over. They’ll need a big, expiring contract and a young player of value—it’s hard to see Cleveland forward J.J. Hickson being such a guy—to be nudged into moving Jamison. If Miami sweetens its offer, Jamison could wind up there, but it’s likely he stays in Washington.

[Blackjack]

Might as well post the whole piece. . .

Where do the Wizards go from here? (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2010/02/where-do-the-wizards-go-from-h.html#more)
by Michael Lee

After announcing their desire to hit the reset button on this team and shed salary after dealing Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson to Dallas, the Wizards remain aggressive about trying to make some more deals to cut payroll and get under the luxury tax this season.

The trade with the Mavericks chopped nearly $2.5 million off the books this season. And, with the team getting relief in the form of a 50 percent discount for the salaries of the suspended Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton, the Wizards' luxury tax penalty has been reduced to about $3 million.

The Wizards have no desire to hand the owner a luxury tax bill for a woefully bad lottery team. In order to get under the tax, the Wizards would have to deal more players and give out more money than they take back. They could also trade with teams that have trade exceptions. There are twenty teams with trade exceptions that could be used in deals in which the salaries don't match up - and most of them expire on Thursday. The other option is making trades for players and buying them out.

Depending on what happens with Antawn Jamison or if the Wizards make other trades down the road, a buyout could be an option for Drew Gooden - although a league source told me that that isn't something that has been considered or discussed at this point.

The Wizards actually need Gooden to play right now. But Gooden has also grown accustomed to playing on contending teams. Last season, Gooden was traded by the Chicago Bulls near the deadline and negotiated a buyout with Sacramento in order to finish the season in San Antonio.

Of course, the Wizards could also buy out other players on expiring deals, such as Mike James, who has been unable to get moved since asking for a trade after the first preseason game.

There are a lot of reports out there that the Cleveland Cavaliers and Phoenix Suns are closing in on a deal that would send Amaré Stoudemire to Cleveland. The Suns, according to reports, are said to be mulling an offer of Zydrunas Ilgauskas's expiring contract, second-year forward J.J. Hickson, and a draft pick.

The discussions between Cleveland and Phoenix make sense since Cavaliers general manager Danny Ferry and Suns general manager Steve Kerr are former teammates with the San Antonio and close friends. They've also collaborated on deals in the past; most notably the Shaquille O'Neal deal last summer.

But there is also speculation that the talk is actually a smoke screen to get the Wizards to give them Jamison. As I said before, there is a lot of posturing at this time. The Wizards did the same thing with Cleveland with all of those rumors about sending Butler and Jamison to Boston.

It's almost like a girl flirting with somebody in order to get the guy they want to get jealous and make a move. This dance is played a lot in the days leading up to the deadline, but as one NBA executive told me recently, "Nobody can make anyone do what they don't want to do."

I've been told that the Cavaliers aren't the only team interested in Jamison. Miami has also expressed interest of late, according to a league source.

The Wizards definitely need to start over. No need to call it rebuilding, because in order to rebuild you have to something that you have stripped down. This is a 17-win team headed for another trip to Secaucus, N.J., in May. The Wizards would love to keep Jamison for his professionalism and character, but they also know that there is no reason to half-step through this process.

Moving Jamison could potentially help the Wizards in the short term and the long term -- and give Jamison a chance to play for something meaningful again.

[TD 21]

We all know that the Spurs are notoriously known as the team most difficult to get information out of or from, so on the one hand it's not surprising to not hear them mentioned frequently in trade talk. On the other hand, given their situation, it is.

My sense is they're going to stand pat. Unfortunately. I think they're reluctant to take on a problem child with an iffy jumper like Thomas ($6.2 million is what he'll make next year on a team that figures to have four rotation bigs and that's without counting Bonner, who could be re-signed). Pop is having a difficult enough time to get more out of Jefferson; I just don't see the Spurs, for as intrigued as they must be by Thomas' physical tools, wanting deal with not only his antics, but having to fit him into the system in 31 games in order for him to look comfortable and to contribute in the playoffs. On top of that, he's not exactly known as a heady player.

It's easy to say "he'd help more next year", etc., but I think the Spurs are looking at this year and next as it (lock out after that likely leads to Duncan's retiring) and I get the feeling that if they're going to go down, they're going to go down with guys who have been here, who know the system and who don't cause problems.

The one last card this team has to play, if they don't use their cadre of expiring contracts at the trade deadline to shake up the team, is next year's trade deadline, where if the team still looks mediocre with (presumably) Splitter on board, Jefferson, McDyess, etc. in year two in the system and inevitable improvements from Hill and Blair, is to peddle Jefferson for either a veteran or two to help them for one final run or for a young player who can help them transition to the post-Duncan era. Until then, I think what we see is what we get and what we're going to get is a team who's ceiling has been established: 2nd round.

[Bruno]

I highly doubt Spurs will take Jamison's contract without trading away RJ's contract. If Wizards can't trade Jamison for expiring contracts, they could settle for a player with a contract that expire in 2011 like RJ.

A nice little trade scenario for Spurs:

Spurs:
out: Jefferson, Mason, Finley, Bonner, Mahinmi, 2010 first round pick.
in: Jamison, Salmons, Miller.

Wizards:
out: Jamison, Miller.
in: Jefferson, Bonner, Mahinmi, Spurs 2010 first round pick.

Bulls:
out: Salmons.
in: Mason, Finley.

Wizards go under the tax, get a contract one year shorter for Jamison and have a pick to start the rebuilding process.
Bulls creates more 2010 cap space.

[benefactor]

I might just cry tears of joy if that trade happened. Seriously.

[pad300]

I highly doubt Spurs will take Jamison's contract without trading away RJ's contract. If Wizards can't trade Jamison for expiring contracts, they could settle for a player with a contract that expire in 2011 like RJ.

A nice little trade scenario for Spurs:

Spurs:
out: Jefferson, Mason, Finley, Bonner, Mahinmi, 2010 first round pick.
in: Jamison, Salmons, Miller.

Wizards:
out: Jamison, Miller.
in: Jefferson, Bonner, Mahinmi, Spurs 2010 first round pick.

Bulls:
out: Salmons.
in: Mason, Finley.

Wizards go under the tax, get a contract one year shorter for Jamison and have a pick to start the rebuilding process.
Bulls creates more 2010 cap space.

Works for me...

[TD 21]

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ApmUIQ7In0IF54LTx_0behTqbwM6?slug=ys-knicksrocketstrade021510&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Not really Spurs news, but pertaining to Thomas, one scenario was thought to be Thomas for Harrington. If Harrington goes in the McGrady trade, then you can rule out the Knicks as a destination for Thomas.

[Blackjack]

I might just cry tears of joy if that trade happened. Seriously.

I'm not saying there wouldn't be tears, but there's another bodily function that would definitely precede it.:hat

[Thompson]

You'd have to change that 2010 pick to a 2011 pick; the Spurs already traded their 2009 pick, and you can't trade consecutive picks. Other than that, sounds good as far as I can tell. I really haven't seen enough of Jamison know how much of a boost he would be.

[Mel_13]

You'd have to change that 2010 pick to a 2011 pick; the Spurs already traded their 2009 pick, and you can't trade consecutive picks. Other than that, sounds good as far as I can tell. I really haven't seen enough of Jamison know how much of a boost he would be.

The Spurs can trade their 2010 pick, the prohibition is on trading two consecutive future first rounders.

[Blackjack]

You'd have to change that 2010 pick to a 2011 pick; the Spurs already traded their 2009 pick, and you can't trade consecutive picks. Other than that, sounds good as far as I can tell. I really haven't seen enough of Jamison know how much of a boost he would be.

Yes they can:

Teams are restricted from trading away future first round draft picks in consecutive years. This is known as the "Ted Stepien Rule." Stepien owned the Cavs from 1980-83, and made a series of bad trades (such as the above-mentioned 1982 trade) that cost the Cavs several years' first round picks. As a result of Stepien's ineptitude, teams are now prevented from making trades which might leave them without a first round pick in consecutive future years.

[DPG21920]

So everyone saw that the Bulls tried to get Dice for TT (some version of that) and that the Spurs turned it down.

[Mel_13]

So everyone saw that the Bulls tried to get Dice for TT (some version of that) and that the Spurs turned it down.

No.

There was mention of Denver interest in Dice.

[DPG21920]

No.

There was mention of Denver interest in Dice.

That's right, I mis-read it. But it seems the Spurs (at least from what is being reported) are not truly in the mix for TT.

Also, if the Spurs had a chance to dump Dice and did not, it probably shows you that they are not going to jump ship...yet.

[macdude06]

Just some News:

The Knicks and Rockets are getting closer to a deal that would send Tracy McGrad, Joey Dorsey and Brian Cook to New York in exchange for Jared Jeffries, Jordan Hill, and either Al Harrington or Larry Hughes.

There would also be some swapped draft picks, but the details are still being ironed out -- for example, if Harrington is included instead of Hughes, the Rockets wouldn't have to send back Brian Cook. T-Mac would certainly get some run for the sinking Knicks, but New York's real motivation is unloading Jeffries' $6.9 million salary next season.


Sources say that Amare Stoudemire has no interest in playing for the Cavaliers, and that the Cavs have started looking at other options.

Antawn Jamison is one of those other options, and while this doesn't mean that Amare is definitely not going to Cleveland, it no longer seems nearly as likely to happen.

[ginobili fan]

Then what does Amare want ???
I mean if he doesn' t like Cleveland a real contender where does he want to land ??

[manufan4life]

No.

There was mention of Denver interest in Dice.

is there a link to where the spurs turned down the deal?

[Sausage]

NBA News


WojYahooNBA

Blazers offering Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw and likely cash to Clippers for Marcus Camby, league source tells Y! Sports.

[ace3g]

Blazers offering Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw and likely cash to Clippers for Marcus Camby, league source tells Y! Sports.

http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

from Woj twitter page, maybe if this goes through that will keep them out of the TT trade

[Sausage]

Following up the Camby news..


WojYahooNBA

Clips trying to attach Telfair to deals with Camby, but doubt Port takes him back. Perhaps $2-3 million needed to inspire Clips on package.

[DPG21920]

Spurs could match that offer, depending on how much the Clips value Outlaw. I would be surprised if they did not try to.

[Sausage]

Just some News:

Sources say that Amare Stoudemire has no interest in playing for the Cavaliers, and that the Cavs have started looking at other options.



Contrary to reports, sources say Amar'e Stoudemire has not told Cavs he doesn't want to play in Cleveland.

[Mel_13]

is there a link to where the spurs turned down the deal?

The Denver Nuggets and Houston Rockets made bids for Thomas over the weekend, league sources said. The Nuggets have actively searched for a big man in recent weeks, working to pry younger (DeAndre Jordan(notes)) and older ones (Antonio McDyess(notes) and Ben Wallace(notes)) without success.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AgiE9U_rwIR6f534dQSNMiG8vLYF?slug=aw-tradebuzz021510&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[dbestpro]

As long and crazy as this thread is lets just throw out there a swap of Jeffersons. Minn will be shopping him this summer. Would you do it if it required Blair, as well?

[lmbebo]

Trade:

Spurs get Dunleav and Murphy
Pacers get RJ, FInley and Mason


spurs get longer on the front line. Not sure if athletic. Get 2 scorers, 3 point shooters, a passer at teh 3.

Spurs dump RJ. Pacers get like $6 mil in savings this year.

All contracts expire by 2011

[exstatic]

is there a link to where the spurs turned down the deal?

THERE WAS NO DEAL. Get it? Chicago ONLY wants ending contracts. Dice has TWO years left after this one. THERE WAS NO DEAL OF DICE FOR TT.

[DPG21920]

THERE WAS NO DEAL. Get it? Chicago ONLY wants ending contracts. Dice has TWO years left after this one. THERE WAS NO DEAL OF DICE FOR TT.

Relax. It was in the same article as the TT stuff. He even quoted the guy talking about the Spurs turning down Denver's offer for Dice.

[Sausage]

WojYahooNBA

Spurs working to help accommodate Roger Mason with a trade, agent Mark Bartelstein tells Y! Minutes down, wants to play. Spurs cool with it

[TD 21]

It's fairly clear, barring something unforeseen, that the Spurs are going to stand pat. It's unfortunate that they're basically conceding one of (it looks like) the final two years of Duncan's career without even attempting to upgrade, but it appears they're resigned to the fact that they're probably not winning a championship either way, so they won't even bother making a trade in an attempt to improve their chances. Unbelievable.

This is what Duncan gave back $11 million over 2 years for? If I'm him I'm having a talk with Holt, Buford and Pop and telling all three of them I want something done and not some minor, insignificant crap. Thomas (and Salmons) is out there; Camby, possibly a few others who could help this team. All this team has to show for Duncan's giving back that money is a past his prime, vastly overpaid Jefferson and McDyess, who can't help Duncan protect the rim.

If they do nothing with the cadre of expiring contracts that they possess, this will have been a wasted opportunity. I don't understand why Buford and Pop haven't sat down with Ginobili and tried to gauge his plans for this summer. If he wants to move on (it sounds like he does), then this is something they need to know, I don't know, like NOW! His contract is valuable.

This organization needs to stop resting on their laurels. I don't care about the second half turnarounds of yesteryear; things were different then. They have to look at this team like this: even if they begin to play to their potential, are they good enough to win a championship? If they're being honest with themselves, the answer is no. If this team isn't going to go for it and they're not going to re-build, then what are they doing? Spinning their wheels, trying to convince Duncan that it's still '06 or '07 and that Ginobili, Jefferson, McDyess, Ratliff are either in or close to their primes? Just a hunch, but my sense is Duncan figured out the answer to that around the time that the fans did.

[duncan228]

Blazers offer Blake to Clippers for Camby (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-tradebuzz021510&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
By Adrian Wojnarowski

As the Chicago Bulls prepare to trade forward Tyrus Thomas before Thursday’s deadline, the franchise’s front office has suggested to prospective bidders that they have a solid offer of a middling first-round pick and expiring contracts, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Denver Nuggets and Houston Rockets made bids for Thomas over the weekend, league sources said. The Nuggets have actively searched for a big man in recent weeks, working to pry younger (DeAndre Jordan) and older ones (Antonio McDyess and Ben Wallace) without success.

After losing out on Caron Butler to the Mavericks, Houston has gotten serious with bids for Thomas and Washington’s Antawn Jamison, sources said.

Nevertheless, here are two developments to watch with Thomas: Several league executives suggested the Minnesota Timberwolves could be a sleeper for him. Minnesota general manager David Kahn has been researching Thomas and has plenty of assets – three 2010 first-round picks, multiple second-rounders and a host of expiring contracts – to make it happen. Once the Timberwolves trade Al Jefferson this summer, they can re-sign Thomas and plug him into the frontline with Kevin Love. Jefferson is expected to be traded for a talented, young small forward.

Trading for Thomas would be a way to get a long, athletic power forward with upside, and the Timberwolves could easily re-sign him this summer.

Here’s something else to watch: The Portland Trail Blazers were telling teams over the weekend they had a chance to acquire Los Angeles Lakers guard Sasha Vujacic and wondered whether teams might have an interest in obtaining him. This prompted several executives to suggest the Blazers were working on a three-team trade, including one Eastern Conference general manager who had been told the elements of the package included Thomas and Vujacic to Portland, the Bulls’ Kirk Hinrich to Los Angeles and the Lakers’ Adam Morrison, another expiring deal and a first-round pick to the Bulls.

“What has, or will kill this,” one GM said, “is that Portland just won’t take Vujacic on.”

The Lakers guard is owed $5.5 million next season.

---------------------

The Clippers have made Al Thornton available, sources said, and are trying to package guard Sebastian Telfair in a deal with him or center Marcus Camby. Several teams have inquired about DeAndre Jordan, but the Clippers have no plans to move him. …The Oklahoma City Thunder are a popular call for teams looking for a third team to aid in trades. …Despite some speculation, New Jersey Nets president Rod Thorn will not fire GM/interim coach Kiki Vandeweghe over what departed assistant Del Harris publicly insisted was a failed plan to get him promoted to head coach and Vandeweghe back to his GM duties. “Rod has too much compassion to do it,” one league executive familiar with Thorn’s thinking said. …Longtime Nets assistant Tom Barrise, who replaced Lawrence Frank for two games as interim coach, is the favorite to get the Fairleigh Dickinson University basketball job, a source said. Barrise has moved back upstairs into the front office. FDU is using an interim coach this season. …Best line of the week came from an NBA executive mocking self-absorbed agent David Falk for taking public credit for proclaiming something that was obvious to everyone: The NBA was headed for labor strife. Said the executive: “He also told Naismith to put the peach basket over the doorway.”

NBA reporter Marc Spears contributed to this report.

[lmbebo]

wow, in regards to RMJs trade demands

[TD 21]

It's unfortunate Mason wants out, but I don't blame him a bit. Pop told him to improve in certain areas in the off season, he diligently worked at it and came back a better all around player. Sure, his shooting has been inconsistent, but that'll happen when you inexplicably go from solid starter to fringe rotation player because of the presence of fringe NBA players like Finley and Bogans. Pop can't get over the fact that Finley isn't just no longer prime Finley, he's not even the Finley of '07.

The over the top loyalty to a player who played a part in one championship run is downright baffling. Pop had less loyalty to Bowen, Horry and Barry, all of whom were far more significant (at least the first two) and instrumental in this organization's success this past decade.

With this news, however, the Spurs should have no qualms about presenting this offer to the Bulls: Mason, Bonner, Mahinmi, 1st round pick for Thomas, Pargo. I'd prefer Salmons to Pargo, but doubt the Spurs would take back the added salary involved. Even still, the key to this deal for the Spurs is Thomas and it wouldn't hurt to acquire more insurance at the point.

[benefactor]

Meh..the improvements Mason made were marginal at best. He was still not much more than a gunner off the bench.

[TD 21]

Meh..the improvements Mason made were marginal at best. He was still not much more than a gunner off the bench.

Well what did you expect, a quantum leap forward, by a physically limited 29-year old? This guy wasn't some 23-year old freak athlete with a ton of room to grow. He got in better shape, was quicker, slightly better defensively, improved his ball handling some, as well as his passing off the dribble and in tight quarters.

Ideally, you're right. He's a good 8th man. But based on how this team is built, he probably should have retained his starting spot or at least been the 8th man. Instead, he was instantly relegated to 10th-11th man duty the instant training camp commenced.

I didn't really want to see him go, but apparently interest is "significant", so hopefully this news helps the Spurs land Thomas or someone of at least semi-significance.

[Ice009]

Meh..the improvements Mason made were marginal at best. He was still not much more than a gunner off the bench.

Why did Mason Jr. never get the chance to start at shooting guard though?

I thought that Pop would start him from the beginning of the season and see where that went.

The Spurs played great the other day with Mason Jr. starting. Maybe after Pop called out Roger in the home game against Denver that pissed him off. Roger stepped up in the last Denver game when he was given the opportunity to start.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm not going to cry over Mason's trade demands..while he's obviously a seriously flawed player, he still has a right to complain after falling behind shitty players like Finley and Bogans in the rotation for no reason..

Finley's role just always hurts the Spurs somehow..

[TD 21]

Why did Mason Jr. never get the chance to start at shooting guard though?

I thought that Pop would start him from the beginning of the season and see where that went.

The Spurs played great the other day with Mason Jr. starting. Maybe after Pop called out Roger in the home game against Denver that pissed him off. Roger stepped up in the last Denver game when he was given the opportunity to start.

My guess is because Jefferson was supposed to play the role of stopper. The Spurs quickly found out that he had no chance of doing that and because of that they tried to put a more defensive oriented SG into the starting lineup to take on that role.

Pop should have realized that the Spurs don't have that type of player and just played the talent (starting lineup could have used a knock down three-point shooter). Instead, he tried to force Bogans and now Hill into being Bowen 2.0. Even if he wanted to do that, it would have been fine, so long as Mason was used as the 8th man. As it turned out, he's been 10th-11th all season.

[Ice009]

I'm not going to cry over Mason's trade demands..while he's obviously a seriously flawed player, he still has a right to complain after falling behind shitty players like Finley and Bogans in the rotation for no reason..

Finley's role just always hurts the Spurs somehow..

That's the only real argument for Roger, but it is a legit one.

Sure Roger has flaws like you mentioned, but having Bogans and Finley ahead of you has got to piss you off. Pop has definitely played a part in this trade demand.

Well hey, maybe for the people that thought we wouldn't make a move Roger has stepped up for you all and demanded one.


My guess is because Jefferson was supposed to play the role of stopper. The Spurs quickly found out that he had no chance of doing that and because of that they tried to put a more defensive oriented SG into the starting lineup to take on that role.

Pop should have realized that the Spurs don't have that type of player and just played the talent (starting lineup could have used a knock down three-point shooter). Instead, he tried to force Bogans and now Hill into being Bowen 2.0. Even if he wanted to do that, it would have been fine, so long as Mason was used as the 8th man. As it turned out, he's been 10th-11th all season.

Good point. Maybe RJ's lack of defense hurt him too.

Tell me, how many of those open threes could Roger have knocked down that Keith Bogans bricked?

The starting lineup definitely could have used Roger's shooting to help space the floor a little more. He really should have had the first chance to start ahead of Finley at the start of the season.

Pop just messed up a lot of stuff.

[Mel_13]

Meh..the improvements Mason made were marginal at best. He was still not much more than a gunner off the bench.

Exactly.

PER is a good way to get a snapshot of a player's effectiveness, especially an offensive player like Mason. PER is adjusted so that a league-average player has a PER of 15.0. Last year as a starter, Mason had a PER of 11.9, this year his number is 12.0

If you took the 300 players in the NBA who played the most minutes and put them in order by PER, Mason was 224th out of 300 last year and 222nd out of 300 this year. That's who he is.

Hopefully his expiring contract can be put to good use.

[TD 21]

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/20082353?source=rss_blogs_NBA

The Knicks, another source said, also remain involved with the Bulls (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/CHI) regarding Tyrus Thomas (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1113185) -- among the most likely players to be traded by Thursday because of his problematic status as a restricted free agent after the season. Denver, Houston, and Charlotte also have inquired about Thomas, and the Spurs (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/SA) are believed to quietly ready to pounce with an offer in their bid to add much needed length and athleticism to their frontcourt.

[crc21209]

[/B]
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/20082353?source=rss_blogs_NBA

The Knicks, another source said, also remain involved with the Bulls (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/CHI) regarding Tyrus Thomas (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1113185) -- among the most likely players to be traded by Thursday because of his problematic status as a restricted free agent after the season. Denver, Houston, and Charlotte also have inquired about Thomas, and the Spurs (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/SA) are believed to quietly ready to pounce with an offer in their bid to add much needed length and athleticism to their frontcourt.

Finally we hear SOMETHING...

[Blackjack]

Beat me to it, TD 21.:lol

Here's the whole piece:

Trade Deadline Buzz (http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/20082353?source=rss_blogs_NBA)

Tracy McGrady's chances of being traded to the Knicks are "50-50," according to a source, as team executives return home from All-Star weekend Monday to strategize before Thursday's trade deadline.

The Knicks and Rockets are engaged in active discussions that would send McGrady, a former All-Star trying to come back from microfracture surgery, to New York as part of a package that would be likely to include Al Harrington. Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni is said to be in favor of the move, which he believes would give the struggling Knicks a boost as they try to get back into the playoff hunt.

Due to McGrady’s massive, $23 million expiring contract, efforts are under way to recruit a third team to complete the deal. Those teams include Cleveland, Miami, and Philadelphia -- all franchises that are engaged in discussions with the Suns for Amar'e Stoudemire. The dominoes are likely to begin falling by Tuesday as those three teams try to come forth with a proposal that will entice Phoenix to part with Stoudemire in exchange for much-needed luxury tax relief and future assets.

The Suns, hamstrung by uncertainty over whether Stoudemire will exercise his early termination option after the season, are weighing whether to take a chance on retaining him or securing assets they can build with in his absence. When Suns owner Robert Sarver told CBSSports.com Sunday night, “It’s definitely an important decision,” he wasn’t kidding.

Given that the Suns are telling rival executives that retaining Stoudemire remains on the table as an option, Cleveland has maintained contact with the Wizards amid strong indications that Washington is now committed to moving Antawn Jamison for a package that will yield not only financial flexibility, but also a young asset. The Knicks, another source said, also remain involved with the Bulls regarding Tyrus Thomas -- among the most likely players to be traded by Thursday because of his problematic status as a restricted free agent after the season. Denver, Houston, and Charlotte also have inquired about Thomas, and the Spurs are believed to quietly ready to pounce with an offer in their bid to add much needed length and athleticism to their frontcourt.

Sources say chances remain strong that the Cavs land either Jamison or Stoudemire by Thursday as they try to add one more piece to fortify LeBron James for a championship run. Speaking after the All-Star Game Sunday night, Stoudemire fondly recalled having played with James on the 2004 Olympic team, and the possibility of a reunion with James and Shaquille O'Neal -- Stoudemire's former teammate in Phoenix -- dominated the All-Star story lines.

[ohmwrecker]

Man, this thread is becoming a monumental exercise in futility. So, Mason wants out, huh . . . that's hilarious. Good riddance. Don't let the door . . . you know the rest. It would be nice to pretend the RMJ might actually force the Spurs hand and somehow influence a trade, but he and his agent have absolutely ZERO pull with the Spurs FO. This guy has hit some big shots for the Spurs for sure, but none of them mattered in a big picture kind of way. He didn't deliver against the Mavs last year. Trade him or let his contract expire. I don't care either way. This guy is never going to be an integral piece to any championship team.
I've read some comments suggesting that this guy was good before he came to the Spurs and Pop ruined him . . . um, yeah . . . you do know that he played PG minutes in Washington when Arenas went down and out, right? Also, good in Washington is just average on a good team. So, congratulations Mavs. Enjoy another year of not winning the championship again!
There is no trade in existence that will make the Spurs a better team. Tim, Tony and Manu showing that they still possess heart and guts is the only way that the rest of the team will pull their heads out of their asses and fall in line. It starts withthe big three and until that happens, the Spurs go nowhere.

[Mel_13]

Tell me, how many of those open threes could Roger have knocked down that Keith Bogans bricked?

Mason 38.6%
Bogans 37.4%

So, given the number of 3 pt attempts by Bogans this year, he would have made exactly one more shot.

[HarlemHeat37]

Berger sucks at writing articles, but he's gotten some pretty good information in the past..he was the guy that broke the Artest to Lakers signing IIRC..hopefully he's actually heard something and not just speculating like all of us though..

[lcroock]

The question now is whether Splitter is packaged in a deal for Thomas? Trading for TT means we have an additional $6M locked up in our big men for the 2010-2011 season. We would have roughly $30M tied up in Duncan/Mcdyess/Thomas/Blair. Signing Splitter will require a big chunk of the MLE this offseason, so I would think that Splitter is gone if we are able to trade for Thomas.

[macdude06]

More News:

The Cavaliers reportedly have a deal in place for Troy Murphy, should they fail to land Amare Stoudemire.

The Pacers have agreed to take back Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson, the same package they are dangling for Amare. There is still chatter about Antawn Jamison being traded, and the bottom line is that Cleveland will have a new PF before the Feb. 18 deadline. If you own Anderson Varejao, start scrambling.

[Mel_13]

The question now is whether Splitter is packaged in a deal for Thomas? Trading for TT means we have an additional $6M locked up in our big men for the 2010-2011 season. We would have roughly $30M tied up in Duncan/Mcdyess/Thomas/Blair. Signing Splitter will require a big chunk of the MLE this offseason, so I would think that Splitter is gone if we are able to trade for Thomas.

That 6M is the value of a potential Qualifying Offer. It is not a guaranteed salary. The Spurs would not have to extend the QO in order to negotiate, but he would become an unrestricted FA without the QO.

[EricB]

:lol @ trading for Troy Murphy

[HarlemHeat37]

Going from Stoudemire to Troy Murphy would be sad..

[EricB]

Going from Stoudemire to Troy Murphy would be sad..


You hear that, its Lebron humming "Start spreading the news....."

[lcroock]

I believe the Bulls have already extended the qualifying offer to Thomas, and that is why they are trying to trade him. Thomas has said he will pick up the $6M option at season's end.

[timvp]

If the Spurs are going to go into rebuilding mode, Antonio McDyess for Travis Outlaw makes a lot of sense.

[EricB]

If the Spurs are going to go into rebuilding mode, Antonio McDyess for Travis Outlaw makes a lot of sense.


Uber small ball.

Right on.

[ducks]

Uber small ball.

Right on.

do not blame pop though!

[Mel_13]

If the Spurs are going to go into rebuilding mode, Antonio McDyess for Travis Outlaw makes a lot of sense.


Uber small ball.

Right on.

Until his injury, Portland used Outlaw almost exclusively as the backup PF with a good deal of success. He would definitely be an upgrade over RJ and Bonner at the position, he has shown signs of being a clutch shooter, and he is an athletic, 6'9", 25-year old on whom the Spurs would have full Birds rights.

[EricB]

do not blame pop though!


Link to where I said that?

[timvp]

The Spurs have been interested in Outlaw in the past. His value is at its lowest point right now. Good time to trade for him.

That said, I doubt the Spurs are in complete rebuild mode. If they do that trade, they'd have to do a bunch of other trades to properly blow up the ship.

Plus, McDyess would probably be emo about any trade. He isn't the type of player who will happily go play for any team.

[EricB]

Until his injury, Portland used Outlaw almost exclusively as the backup PF with a good deal of success. He would definitely be an upgrade over RJ and Bonner at the position, he has shown signs of being a clutch shooter, and he is an athletic, 6'9", 25-year old on whom the Spurs would have full Birds rights.

I like Travis Outlaw don't get me wrong.

Not a huge fan of him being injured all the time and lack of size but OK.

[poop]

ive always been impressed with Outlaw, seems to be a solid player (for his level obviously)

[Blackjack]

Going from Stoudemire to Troy Murphy would be sad..

Downgrade in talent an star power, but probably a better fit, actually. (Murphy opens up the paint for LeBron and Shaq, is a better rebounder, and he's a more willing defender -- even if not stellar . . .)

[Mel_13]

I believe the Bulls have already extended the qualifying offer to Thomas, and that is why they are trying to trade him. Thomas has said he will pick up the $6M option at season's end.

No. The QO can't be extended until July 1st. If Thomas accepts the QO, he gives up the opportunity to seek a multiyear contract. The Spurs would incur no salary obligation for next season by trading for Thomas.

The Bulls want to trade him because they have no intention of offering the QO as that would impair their ability to offer a max FA deal to a player like Wade or Bosh. They're just trying trying to get something of value for the guy on which they used/wasted the 4th overall pick in the draft four years ago.

[Sean Cagney]

[/B]

Finally we hear SOMETHING...

TIMES TEN, good lord it's been too quiet in here for my liking.

[poop]

me too cagney, ive been checking in here every few hours in the hopes of seeing SOMETHING lol

[Blackjack]

The Bulls want to trade him because they have no intention of offering the QO as that would impair their ability to offer a max FA deal to a player like Wade or Bosh. They're just trying trying to get something of value for the guy on which they used/wasted the 4th overall pick in the draft four years ago.

I've been for the acquiring of Thomas and Salmons for months now, but even I can't help but wonder what the hell they were thinking when they gave up the rights to Aldridge -- their front office will never live that one down . . .

[TD 21]

No. The QO can't be extended until July 1st. If Thomas accepts the QO, he gives up the opportunity to seek a multiyear contract. The Spurs would incur no salary obligation for next season by trading for Thomas.

The Bulls want to trade him because they have no intention of offering the QO as that would impair their ability to offer a max FA deal to a player like Wade or Bosh. They're just trying trying to get something of value for the guy on which they used/wasted the 4th overall pick in the draft four years ago.

Right, but why would the Spurs trade for Thomas and not qualify him/sign him to an extension? My sense is they see him as a potential answer to their longstanding problem with guarding mobile four's, as well as a second shot blocker to put into the rotation. In the event they either feel like they can't get through to him or don't like what they see the remainder of this season, they could easily re-route him in the off season because he's guaranteed to have re-sale value.

At best, the Spurs fill a longstanding need. At worst, they pick up a quality asset for spare parts and (around) the twentieth pick. Because he's an asset at a position they'd instantly become well stocked at, either Thomas, Splitter or (least likely, I'd imagine) McDyess could either be packaged with Jefferson in order to entice a team to take Jefferson in the off season, as opposed to the trade deadline, or in a straight up deal that lands the Spurs a legit wing stopper at SF (Batum?).

[EricB]

Downgrade in talent an star power, but probably a better fit, actually. (Murphy opens up the paint for LeBron and Shaq, is a better rebounder, and he's a more willing defender -- even if not stellar . . .)


I disagree on the defensive part....

To each his own however.

[Blackjack]

You think Amar'e's a more willing defender?

[Blackjack]

Than anybody?

[Mel_13]

I've been for the acquiring of Thomas and Salmons for months now, but even I can't help but wonder what the hell they were thinking when they gave up the rights to Aldridge -- their front office will never live that one down . . .

:lol

With all the bitching and moaning that goes on here, could you imagine what this board would say about an FO that traded LaMarcus Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas and Viktor Khryapa. Four years later and they're trying to get a middling first round pick for Thomas. Viktor Khryapa played in 42 games for the Bulls before he vanished from the NBA. Unbelievable.

[Blackjack]

I just saw Khryapa the other day; Euroleague, I believe.

You think Scola leaves a fan butthurt. . .

[EricB]

:lol

With all the bitching and moaning that goes on here, could you imagine what this board would say about an FO that traded LaMarcus Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas and Viktor Khryapa. Four years later and they're trying to get a middling first round pick for Thomas. Viktor Khryapa played in 42 games for the Bulls before he vanished from the NBA. Unbelievable.

The same Viktor Khryapa that this board was ripping the Spurs for not trading up and getting.....

[Mel_13]

Right, but why would the Spurs trade for Thomas and not qualify him/sign him to an extension? My sense is they see him as a potential answer to their longstanding problem with guarding mobile four's, as well as a second shot blocker to put into the rotation. In the event they either feel like they can't get through to him or don't like what they see the remainder of this season, they could easily re-route him in the off season because he's guaranteed to have re-sale value.

At best, the Spurs fill a longstanding need. At worst, they pick up a quality asset for spare parts and (around) the twentieth pick. Because he's an asset at a position they'd instantly become well stocked at, either Thomas, Splitter or (least likely, I'd imagine) McDyess could either be packaged with Jefferson in order to entice a team to take Jefferson in the off season, as opposed to the trade deadline, or in a straight up deal that lands the Spurs a legit wing stopper at SF (Batum?).

I didn't say they wouldn't keep him, just that they would not incur any salary obligations with his acquisition.

As you explained, it would be unlikely that they could afford to keep Thomas, Dice, and Splitter. I would imagine the decision on who to keep, trade, or simply not sign would very much depend on how Thomas and Dice perform in the last 30 games and the playoffs and how quickly Splitter is willing to make a decision.

Further, they may conclude that 6.2M is far above TT's market value and refuse to tender the QO on that basis. They would still retain full Bird rights but lose the right to match an offer sheet.

[EricB]

You think Amar'e's a more willing defender?


When next to a good defensive center and motivated ala 2008, I've seen Amare play good defense.

[ducks]

When next to a good defensive center and motivated ala 2008, I've seen Amare play good defense.

california must have messes up your eyes

[Sausage]

The Nuggets apparently have recently tried to make trades for DeAndre Jordan, Antonio McDyess and Ben Wallace, but were unsuccessful with each pursuit. -Yahoo! Sports

Who would the Nuggets have offered for Dice?

[Darthkiller]

salary works, Maggette is averaging 20 and 6 this year, but he has a long contract, GS is looking to deal him, RJ has a shorter contract, I think this deal would be good for both team. what u both team think.

[dougp]

Maybe you should post trade speculations in the ... *gasp* trade speculation thread (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145847)!

[EricB]

Birdman or JR Smith.


Puke on both.

Now both at the same time?

Damn.. Maybe.

[EricB]

I think maybe, no.

[ducks]

Puke on both.

Now both at the same time?

Damn.. Maybe.

jr smith reminds me of sj alot

[exstatic]

F that. You don't take Maggette's shitty 4 year contract without Anthony Randolph attached.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Bird for McDyess? :lol no thanks.

If they Nuggets FO offered that, then i am glad the Spurs refused :toast

[Mel_13]

Birdman or JR Smith.

Birdman seems unlikely since the story mentioned Denver's desire to add a big.

More likely Balkman plus one of their smaller contracts.

[timvp]

salary works, Maggette is averaging 20 and 6 this year, but he has a long contract, GS is looking to deal him, RJ has a shorter contract, I think this deal would be good for both team. what u both team think.

Like Ex said, I'd hold out for Randolph. Although I might settle for Brandan Wright.

[TD 21]

I didn't say they wouldn't keep him, just that they would not incur any salary obligations with his acquisition.

As you explained, it would be unlikely that they could afford to keep Thomas, Dice, and Splitter. I would imagine the decision on who to keep, trade, or simply not sign would very much depend on how Thomas and Dice perform in the last 30 games and the playoffs and how quickly Splitter is willing to make a decision.

Further, they may conclude that 6.2M is far above TT's market value and refuse to tender the QO on that basis. They would still retain full Bird rights but lose the right to match an offer sheet.

I wrote all that as a devil's advocate type thing. I know exactly what you said and meant.

It's tough to pick one to trade from the three. Why it makes sense to keep/get rid of each...

McDyess

Keep: Only veteran big, other than Duncan. Is an excellent mid-range shooter and a solid rebounder/post-defender.

Get rid of: He's by far the oldest of the three and while the other two have considerable upside, he is what he is. Next year is expected to be his last.

Thomas

Keep: Could be Spurs answer to longstanding question: who can effectively guard mobile PF's? Is by far the best athlete of the group and the lone shot blocker of the bunch as well.

Get rid of: Has a bad attitude, is immature, known to have a low IQ for the game and may have trouble adapting to the Spurs vaunted culture/system.

Splitter

Keep: A complete unknown as far as what he'll bring to the NBA. Is projected as either a solid second big or good third big. Is the only center-sized one of the bunch and may also be the Spurs answer to guarding mobile bigs.

Get rid of: No guarantee he'll come over and even if he does, no guarantee what he'll contribute immediately. Isn't a stand out in any one area.

Here's the biggest plus to acquiring Thomas: whatever the Spurs do, it can't end badly. Having five quality bigs (at least asset-wise) is always a good thing, particularly in a league starved for quality bigs. The end game to all this is that the Spurs end up having probably their best big rotation in a long time, in addition to having one of the best in the league and acquire another key piece (likely a wing stopper) in the process.

[exstatic]

I've been for the acquiring of Thomas and Salmons for months now, but even I can't help but wonder what the hell they were thinking when they gave up the rights to Aldridge -- their front office will never live that one down . . .

Thomas for Aldridge
Foye for Roy
Jamison for VC

What the fuck were they thinking?

[timvp]

If Portland wants a cheap big, Bonner for Outlaw works. Pritchard loves the "advanced stats" and could fall in love with Bonner's PER and plus/minus. Both teams would get players who would fit better and the contracts are almost the same.

[Mel_13]

Here's the biggest plus to acquiring Thomas: whatever the Spurs do, it can't end badly.

I said something similar in the other thread. The downside risk in a Thomas/Salmons for Bonner/Mason/Finley trade is minimal. The risk increases somewhat with the addition of a first round pick (as with Blair, you never know what may fall into your lap), but still may very well be worth it.

[TD 21]

Thomas for Aldridge
Foye for Roy
Jamison for VC

What the fuck were they thinking?

They weren't. I knew the instant they did that trade that it was a mistake. Thomas had Swift written all over him. As it turns out, I think he'll be better than that and not quite a bust, but not the star the Bulls thought they were getting at the time, either. Aldridge, on the other hand, will never be a dominant big and at his best will likely be a fringe All-Star, but he'll be better than solid for over a decade. The Bulls should have taken the double instead of trying to stretch it into a triple.

[objective]

Like Ex said, I'd hold out for Randolph. Although I might settle for Brandan Wright.

Randolph might be a pipe dream.

there was a bit on a Houston Chronicle blog about the Rockets moves, and it mentioned Randolph as one of Morey's targets who they tried to get but that he was 'never available'.

link (http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/)

[exstatic]

Like Ex said, I'd hold out for Randolph. Although I might settle for Brandan Wright.

I haven't heard any attempts to move Wright. I have heard they want to move Randolph. You must eat a shit contract, specifically Maggette to get him, though. The one positive is that to get out from under Maggette, they might actually take RJ. They're not locked into 2010 ending contracts, just long term savings.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

From RealGM:

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64726/20100215/nuggets_make_attempts_for_big_ben_mcdyess_jordan/



Nuggets Make Attempts For Big Ben, McDyess, Jordan


Feb 15, 2010 9:33 PM EST

The Nuggets apparently have recently tried to make trades for DeAndre Jordan, Antonio McDyess and Ben Wallace, but were unsuccessful with each pursuit.

RealGM Note: Denver is looking for a big that can play 15-25 minutes per night and provide insurance in case they incur an injury to Nene, Kenyon Martin or Chris Andersen.




Who do you guys think the Nuggets offered for McDyess?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

From RealGM:

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64726/20100215/nuggets_make_attempts_for_big_ben_mcdyess_jordan/



Nuggets Make Attempts For Big Ben, McDyess, Jordan


Feb 15, 2010 9:33 PM EST

The Nuggets apparently have recently tried to make trades for DeAndre Jordan, Antonio McDyess and Ben Wallace, but were unsuccessful with each pursuit.

RealGM Note: Denver is looking for a big that can play 15-25 minutes per night and provide insurance in case they incur an injury to Nene, Kenyon Martin or Chris Andersen.




Who do you guys think the Nuggets offered for McDyess?

[exstatic]

Randolph might be a pipe dream.

there was a bit on a Houston Chronicle blog about the Rockets moves, and it mentioned Randolph as one of Morey's targets who they tried to get but that he was 'never available'.

link (http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/)

He wouldn't be available by himself. He's a chip to get someone to eat Maggette's contract. It's almost like the Tyrus Thomas situation: you don't get just him.

[ElNono]

If Portland wants a cheap big, Bonner for Outlaw works. Pritchard loves the "advanced stats" and could fall in love with Bonner's PER and plus/minus. Both teams would get players who would fit better and the contracts are almost the same.

Bonner's PER is basically 15. That's actually the PER for an average player on this league.

[EricB]

If Portland wants a cheap big, Bonner for Outlaw works. Pritchard loves the "advanced stats" and could fall in love with Bonner's PER and plus/minus. Both teams would get players who would fit better and the contracts are almost the same.


If Pritchard traded Travis Outlaw for Matt Bonner I'd question his sanity.

[EricB]

He wouldn't be available by himself. He's a chip to get someone to eat Maggette's contract. It's almost like the Tyrus Thomas situation: you don't get just him.


I abhor Maggette but if it got Randolph and for RJ?

I guess that makes it SLIGHTLY palatable...

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

No that's not it. Bird is having a poor year. At least this is why I've been told. And the nuggets actually regret waiving McDyess after the Billups trade.

I believe that the Nuggets didn't want to waive him but the issue was he didn't want to play in Denver, not after the fact that he is still hung up over the goings on behind his signing in Denver the last time.

Sure it saved them money but i think the biggest part was him not wanting to play in Denver. It's ironic that he went to the Spurs and for once they didn't go as far as the Nuggets last season

[timvp]

Bonner's PER is basically 15. That's actually the PER for an average player on this league.

Before the injury, it was 17+. His plus/minus per minute is still highest on the team ... for the second year in a row.

[EricB]

Before the injury, it was 17+. His plus/minus per minute is still highest on the team ... for the second year in a row.

Which goes to show that stat is worthless....

[benefactor]

GM's and agents expect flurry of activity Tuesday. Everyone was holding deck close today, including PHX and Cavs. Best offers are on way.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's kind of funny that some of the people that are against getting Thomas want Outlaw..they're both 2 of the bigger idiots in the NBA..

[benefactor]

C'mon dammit...do the Salmons/Thomas deal.

[Mel_13]

C'mon dammit...do the Salmons/Thomas deal.

Patience, patience.

[ElNono]

Before the injury, it was 17+. His plus/minus per minute is still highest on the team ... for the second year in a row.

He's a career 14.5... barely below average... His best PER season was his first with the Spurs, at 16.4...

His superlative plus/minus has been well documented in these forums though... :lol

[benefactor]

Patience, patience.
Yeah...I know. Wojo is right. Everyone is checking instead of throwing chips in. Hopefully the betting starts to heat up tomorrow.

[objective]

More likely:

Bonner traded or Bonner re-signed?

[benefactor]

Wouldn't be surprised if the Tyrus/Salmons trade went down. Spurs pushed hard for Salmons last year at the deadline. I also wouldn't be surprised if Salmons played the 4 more than Tyrus.
Yup...Salmons at the 4 and Thomas at the 5. :tu

[TD 21]

Heat "coming hard" after Stoudemire...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4917483


Cavs pursuing Maggette as another fallback option if they fail to land Stoudemire...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4917507


Let's hope the Spurs make the Thomas deal Tuesday, but last week the word was the Bulls were going to take it to the deadline. Hate to say it because I'm getting impatient, but it makes sense.

[Shastafarian]

Heat "coming hard" after Stoudemire...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4917483

Let's hope the Spurs make the Thomas deal Tuesday, but last week the word was the Bulls were going to take it to the deadline. Hate to say it because I'm getting impatient, but it makes sense.

Marc Stein is saying they're trying to get a third team involved. *crosses fingers*

[benefactor]

The Heat emerged from the All-Star break even more determined than they were before to find a third team to help them broker an Amare deal before Thursday's 3 p.m. deadline.

How about the Spurs get in on the action?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjsk4f2

Then we can do this and we are set.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg98trv

[Blackjack]

Thomas for Aldridge
Foye for Roy
Jamison for VC

What the fuck were they thinking?

I killed them for the Thomas move at the time, but not so much Foye -- I plead a bit of ignorance on the Roy front (didn't see him enough) and was impressed with Foye. (I still believe he's going to be pretty good; something about typing Foye and Roy in succession makes me feel like I'm writing in riddles ... Dr. Seuss, or some shit.) Their stockpiling of point guards this year was questionable, as well.

Jamison for VC?

Maybe I'm misremembering (great word) but that was GS and Orlando's doing.

[HarlemHeat37]

I killed them for the Thomas move at the time, but not so much Foye -- I plead a bit of ignorance on the Roy front (didn't see him enough) and was impressed with Foye. (I still believe he's going to be pretty good; something about typing Foye and Roy in succession makes me feel like I'm writing in riddles ... Dr. Seuss, or some shit.) Their stockpiling of point guards this year was questionable, as well.

Jamison for VC?

Maybe I'm misremembering (great word) but that was GS and Orlando's doing.

Toronto..

[Blackjack]

Heat "coming hard" after Stoudemire...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4917483


Cavs pursuing Maggette as another fallback option if they fail to land Stoudemire...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4917507


Let's hope the Spurs make the Thomas deal Tuesday, but last week the word was the Bulls were going to take it to the deadline. Hate to say it because I'm getting impatient, but it makes sense.

Thomas has always been the guy I thought was highest on the Spurs' radar and Salmons was someone I wanted to accompany him more than I thought was coveted (even if I knew they'd showed interest in the past). But if the Spurs really want Thomas, they're more than likely going to have to take on a Salmons to have the most attractive offer; which would be fine by me and be something they'd definitely be wise to do, imo.

But my favorite trade has always been the Maggette-Randolph (possibly Bell) for RJ and expirings (maybe a first-rounder), but it's looking more and more a pipe dream -- the Cavs' interest in Maggette doesn't help.

[Mel_13]

I killed them for the Thomas move at the time, but not so much Foye -- I plead a bit of ignorance on the Roy front (didn't see him enough) and was impressed with Foye. (I still believe he's going to be pretty good; something about typing Foye and Roy in succession makes me feel like I'm writing in riddles ... Dr. Seuss, or some shit.) Their stockpiling of point guards this year was questionable, as well.

Jamison for VC?

Maybe I'm misremembering (great word) but that was GS and Orlando's doing.

And Foye for Roy was Minny, not Chicago.

[Blackjack]

Toronto..

Yeah, that's what I meant; had this year on the brain. . .

[ElNono]

And Foye for Roy was Minny, not Chicago.

Back after a hiatus? :lol
Good to see you... :toast

[Blackjack]

And Foye for Roy was Minny, not Chicago.

:lol

I'm clearly in overload with all these trade scenarios at the moment . . .

[Mel_13]

Back after a hiatus? :lol
Good to see you... :toast

Sucks when real life intrudes on my ST time.

[TD 21]

Thomas has always been the guy I thought was highest on the Spurs' radar and Salmons was someone I wanted to accompany him more than I thought was coveted (even if I knew they'd showed interest in the past). But if the Spurs really want Thomas, they're more than likely going to have to take on a Salmons to have the most attractive offer; which would be fine by me and be something they'd definitely be wise to do, imo.

But my favorite trade has always been the Maggette-Randolph (possibly Bell) for RJ and expirings (maybe a first-rounder), but it's looking more and more a pipe dream -- the Cavs' interest in Maggette doesn't help.

Apparently the Bulls are talking to the Nuggets, Rockets and Spurs about Thomas, according to the Tribune.

Like I said in the other thread, based on what those teams are rumored to be willing to deal, if there's not a third team involved, I like the Spurs chances.

Mason is a better version of Brown, who the Bulls acquired a few weeks back. He doubles as an expiring contract and someone the Bulls could use, given their lack of outside shooting. Even Bonner may somewhat help in this regard, though I doubt they'd re-sign him, since they'll probably bring in a starting PF with part of their cap space. Mahinmi gives them an athletic big to take a look at to replace Thomas and doubles as an expiring contract. If the Bulls land two good free agents, on top of what they're paying Deng and will be paying Noah and Rose, they'll need cheap talent to fill out the bench; Mahinmi fits the bill. 1st round pick, the value is obvious.

I've said it for a few weeks and I'll stick to it (only now I'm starting to think the Spurs may actually land Thomas), if they acquire Thomas, this will be the deal:

To Bulls: Mason, Bonner, Mahinmi, '10 1st round pick

To Spurs: Thomas, Pargo

[benefactor]

CLE had talks with Wiz on Antawn Jamison Monday, but didn't chat with Pacers on Troy Murphy, sources say. Indy has 4-5 suitors for Murphy.
This a bit surprising. 4 or 5 teams willing to swallow Murphy's 12 million next year?

[EricB]

Who the F are 4 or 5 idiot teams wanting Murphy!?

[benefactor]

Who the F are 4 or 5 idiot teams wanting Murphy!?
...and how do we get their numbers to get them to call the Spurs about RJ? :)

[dbestpro]

Denver just doesn't seem to have the contracts, Houston looks like its going the way of NY. That may leave Chicago with only one option. Hmmmm.........

[objective]

Denver just doesn't seem to have the contracts, Houston looks like its going the way of NY. That may leave Chicago with only one option. Hmmmm.........

Even if Houston wasn't dealing with NY . . . it doesn't seem like Morey's style. He has 3 other dudes the same size as Tyrus (or smaller) that are making half as much as TT's QO.

[Blackjack]

Apparently the Bulls are talking to the Nuggets, Rockets and Spurs about Thomas, according to the Tribune.

Like I said in the other thread, based on what those teams are rumored to be willing to deal, if there's not a third team involved, I like the Spurs chances.

Mason is a better version of Brown, who the Bulls acquired a few weeks back. He doubles as an expiring contract and someone the Bulls could use, given their lack of outside shooting. Even Bonner may somewhat help in this regard, though I doubt they'd re-sign him, since they'll probably bring in a starting PF with part of their cap space. Mahinmi gives them an athletic big to take a look at to replace Thomas and doubles as an expiring contract. If the Bulls land two good free agents, on top of what they're paying Deng and will be paying Noah and Rose, they'll need cheap talent to fill out the bench; Mahinmi fits the bill. 1st round pick, the value is obvious.

I've said it for a few weeks and I'll stick to it (only now I'm starting to think the Spurs may actually land Thomas), if they acquire Thomas, this will be the deal:

To Bulls: Mason, Bonner, Mahinmi, '10 1st round pick

To Spurs: Thomas, Pargo

Yeah, I saw that after I posted -- it doesn't look like they'll need to take on another contract if what said is to be believed. (unfortunate)

They need three-point shooting and only want to take back expirings, so Mason (whom I hoped would be replacing Salmons) and Bonner (whom will be replacing Thomas and be a nice compliment to their frontline) provide both.

Mahinmi's basically a flier and numbers-matcher -- which they could be pleasantly surprised with.

I'm not all that high on Pargo, but the Spurs almost ditched Hill for him and there'd be nothing shocking about seeing him in the black and silver.

[timvp]

Jefferson, RMJ, Bonner, Mahinmi and a first for Murphy, Foster and Dahntay Jones? :drunk

[ElNono]

Sucks when real life intrudes on my ST time.

I try not to let real life do that to me... :lol

[EricB]

Yeah, I saw that after I posted -- it doesn't look like they'll need to take on another contract if what said is to be believed. (unfortunate)

They need three-point shooting and only want to take back expirings, so Mason (whom I hoped would be replacing Salmons) and Bonner (whom will be replacing Thomas and be a nice compliment to their frontline) provide both.

Mahinmi's basically a flier and numbers-matcher -- which they could be pleasantly surprised with.

I'm not all that high on Pargo, but the Spurs almost ditched Hill for him and there'd be nothing shocking about seeing him in the black and silver.


Not as big a Pargo fan as I used to be, but he would be a Pop gem.

[EricB]

Jefferson, RMJ, Bonner, Mahinmi and a first for Murphy, Foster and Dahntay Jones? :drunk


?

One of the centers whos out for the season? :Lol

[ElNono]

Not as big a Pargo fan as I used to be, but he would be a Pop gem.

Can't wait for him to take more shots than Tony in a game 7...
But hey, at this point beggars can't be choosers...

[TD 21]

Yeah, I saw that after I posted -- it doesn't look like they'll need to take on another contract if what said is to be believed. (unfortunate)

They need three-point shooting and only want to take back expirings, so Mason (whom I hoped would be replacing Salmons) and Bonner (whom will be replacing Thomas and be a nice compliment to their frontline) provide both.

Mahinmi's basically a flier and numbers-matcher -- which they could be pleasantly surprised with.

I'm not all that high on Pargo, but the Spurs almost ditched Hill for him and there'd be nothing shocking about seeing him in the black and silver.

We're on the same page.

As for Pargo, he'd be the 11th man in a 10 man rotation; an insurance policy at the point. The Spurs are already thin their and dealing their third PG in Mason, they'd need someone back to fill the void. Also, in terms of numbers, it makes sense to take back a second player when giving up four. Otherwise, the Spurs would have 2 weeks to fill the 13th spot and the Bulls have no use for Pargo anyway. He's a throw-in that makes sense.

[EricB]

Can't wait for him to take more shots than Tony in a game 7...
But hey, at this point beggars can't be choosers...


Whats crazy, is that I wouldn't be shocked if he made em.

I lobbied for him HARD after 08...

[ace3g]

just about to say , Foster is out for the season

[timvp]

?

One of the centers whos out for the season? :Lol

Foster would be in there to make contracts match. Instead of giving talent back for Murphy, the Spurs would basically just absorb two bad contracts.

Not a very good trade for the Spurs but it'd be the only way to compete with something like Big Z and Hickson.

[EricB]

Foster would be in there to make contracts match. Instead of giving talent back for Murphy, the Spurs would basically just absorb two bad contracts.

Not a very good trade for the Spurs but it'd be the only way to compete with something like Big Z and Hickson.


If the Cavs want to do that more power to em...

[scottspurs]

So for all of you who have given up on this season would the perfect thursday be:

Jefferson for Maggette/Randolph/Turiaf

Mason/Bonner/Finley for Salmons/Thomas=

This season would be a waste because the chemistry would never come together, but if Manu can somehow be resigned for cheap the 2010 roster would look as follows:

C-Duncan/Splitter/McDyess(expendable)
Pf-Randolph/Thomas/Blair/Turiaf(expendable)
Wings-Manu/Maggette/Salmons/Hill
Pg-Parker/Hill/Manu

I know this is a big WHAT IF, but would this be what all you rebuilders perfect situation would be. For what is's worth I still believe in this season.

p.s. Peter Holt would be BROKE.

[timvp]

Wow. The Spurs must not have really wanted Camby. I'm pretty surprised the Blazers would trade for Camby as if he makes them a championship contender.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Hmm.. so the Clips do bite on the Outlaw offer and get a SF they were looking for.

[bigdog]

Just posted the Camby news in the NBA Thread.
Anyways, that's crazy. I didn't think Portland would get rid of Blake.

[EricB]

Clippers made out like bandits...

Outlaw at SF Griffen at PF and Kaman at C is a studly front court.

[objective]

isn't that just trading expiring for expirings?

Must be some cash from Portland thrown in to cover Sterling's housing-related legal expenses.

[crc21209]

Official:

Source: Camby dealt to Blazers

ESPN.com news services

Two struggling teams looked to each other for help on Monday.

The Los Angeles Clippers agreed to trade Marcus Camby to the Portland Trail Blazers for Travis Outlaw and Steve Blake, a source close to the situation told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher.

The 35-year-old Camby is second in the league in rebounding this season at 12.1 boards per game, to go along with 7.7 points. The Blazers have had a hole in the middle of their lineup since Gred Oden went down with a knee injury in December.

The 6-foot-9 Outlaw is averaging 9.9 points and 3.5 rebounds per game in his seventh season with Portland. Blake, a 6-3 guard, is putting up 7.6 points and 4.0 assists per game. He's coming off a 20-point, 12-assist game in a win over the Suns before the All-Star break.

Ric Bucher covers the NBA for ESPN The Magazine.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=4917644

[Blackjack]

If the Spurs can unload RJ for Maggette (who's an upgrade on his own), Randolph (a potential franchise-level player down the road) and Bell or Turiaf (potential contributors), you do that deal -- it's the best short and long-term deal I've seen for the franchise.

For a good chunk of the season, Thomas and Salmons has been the deal I thought best addressed the needs of the team as-is. But it'd definitely be my second choice if presented the aforementioned deal.

[Mel_13]

isn't that just trading expiring for expirings?

Must be some cash from Portland thrown in to cover Sterling's housing-related legal expenses.

They get at least one player in Outlaw that they will want to keep. Since they have full Bird rights on Outlaw and Blake it's very likely that they'll be able to retain one or both.

Of course, there will probably be a thread about how the Spurs were asleep at the wheel and how Bonner and Mason are better than Outlaw and Blake.

[Blackjack]

V-Bookie on Camby's health?

[objective]

If the Spurs can unload RJ for Maggette (who's an upgrade on his own), Randolph (a potential franchise-level player down the road) and Bell or Turiaf (potential contributors), you do that deal -- it's the best short and long-term deal I've seen for the franchise.

For a good chunk of the season, Thomas and Salmons has been the deal I thought best addressed the needs of the team as-is. But it'd definitely be my second choice if presented the aforementioned deal.

I don't know if Nelson could get drunk enough without dying in order to sign off on that deal.

[Blackjack]

Weekend at Bernies? :smokin (it was in response to scottspurs question)

[mudyez]

If the Spurs can unload RJ for Maggette (who's an upgrade on his own), Randolph (a potential franchise-level player down the road) and Bell or Turiaf (potential contributors), you do that deal -- it's the best short and long-term deal I've seen for the franchise.

For a good chunk of the season, Thomas and Salmons has been the deal I thought best addressed the needs of the team as-is. But it'd definitely be my second choice if presented the aforementioned deal.

Maggette? really?

[Blackjack]

Maggette's one of the most improved players in the league this year. Really . . .

[scottspurs]

Im going to bed. I expect to wake up in the morning or Wed or thursday and see the spurs have made a trade that includes Mason.

[crc21209]

Hopefully business picks up on Tuesday:

WojYahooNBA

GM's and agents expect flurry of activity Tuesday. Everyone was holding deck close today, including PHX and Cavs. Best offers are on way.

http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

[Mark in Austin]

If the Spurs can unload RJ for Maggette (who's an upgrade on his own), Randolph (a potential franchise-level player down the road) and Bell or Turiaf (potential contributors), you do that deal -- it's the best short and long-term deal I've seen for the franchise.

For a good chunk of the season, Thomas and Salmons has been the deal I thought best addressed the needs of the team as-is. But it'd definitely be my second choice if presented the aforementioned deal.

Comparing the GS trade you outlined to the Chicago trade - is Randolph that much better than Thomas? I haven't seen either play enough to have a solid opinion. Aside from a potentially fools gold type dominant summer league performance has Randolph done anything in the NBA? My impression is that Randolph "gets it" - at least offensively - moreso than Thomas, but that he has as little interest in defense as Maggette does. Maybe it's just a result of Nellieball, but two all-offense players as part of the long-term plans for the Spurs? I just don't see how that works.

Defensively, my impression is Salmons-Thomas would be a better fit than Maggette-Randolph.

But like I said before, I haven't seen either player play enough to be certain about any of this.

Have any thoughts WRT Randolph vs Thomas?

[hsxvvd]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yj5mug8

Spurs receive: David Lee

Bobcats receive: Roger Mason

Knicks Receive: McGrady, Augustin, Murray

Rockets Receive: Harrington, Jeffries, Hill, Finley.


Can we work our way into the McGrady Deal and land Lee?

[EricB]

If the Spurs can unload RJ for Maggette (who's an upgrade on his own), Randolph (a potential franchise-level player down the road) and Bell or Turiaf (potential contributors), you do that deal -- it's the best short and long-term deal I've seen for the franchise.

For a good chunk of the season, Thomas and Salmons has been the deal I thought best addressed the needs of the team as-is. But it'd definitely be my second choice if presented the aforementioned deal.

Maggette Randolph and Bell for RJ and whatever?


Sigh, damn, your a good salesman :lol

[EricB]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yj5mug8

Spurs receive: David Lee

Bobcats receive: Roger Mason

Knicks Receive: McGrady, Augustin, Murray

Rockets Receive: Harrington, Jeffries, Hill, Finley.


Can we work our way into the McGrady Deal and land Lee?


Shaw, I wish...

[timtonymanu]

Alright let's see how much players get picked up by other teams that us fans want:

Haywood - gone
Camby - gone
Ty Thomas/Salmons - ?
Murphy - ?
Iggy/Dalembert - ?
Anthony Randolph -?
Raja Bell -?

[pad300]

Jefferson, RMJ, Bonner, Mahinmi and a first for Murphy, Foster and Dahntay Jones? :drunk

Just take Dunleavy instead of Foster and Jones. He's an expiring next year, and he was good for a bit before his latest injury...

[Mark in Austin]

Maggette's one of the most improved players in the league this year. Really . . .

A career-high FG% of 52.9 and a free throw percentage higher than his carreer average is impressive, (84.1% this year) but how does a wing that is shooting .238 from three point range this year and and is a career 32% three point shooter fit the Spurs offense?*


*I suppose "better than Jefferson" is a legit answer...

[Boss]

Corey Maggette's so called improvement is sure helping the Warriors have the 3rd worst record in the NBA at 14-37.

Wow he avgs 20pts for a team that scores 108 a game. Maggette plays for stats not for wins. Stop w/ this he's what we need

[bigdog]

Maggette demands the ball more than RJ does. He would not work in SA.

[Blackjack]

Comparing the GS trade you outlined to the Chicago trade - is Randolph that much better than Thomas? I haven't seen either play enough to have a solid opinion. Aside from a potentially fools gold type dominant summer league performance has Randolph done anything in the NBA? My impression is that Randolph "gets it" - at least offensively - moreso than Thomas, but that he has as little interest in defense as Maggette does. Maybe it's just a result of Nellieball, but two all-offense players as part of the long-term plans for the Spurs? I just don't see how that works.

Defensively, my impression is Salmons-Thomas would be a better fit than Maggette-Randolph.

But like I said before, I haven't seen either player play enough to be certain about any of this.

Have any thoughts WRT Randolph vs Thomas?

Randolph is all about the long-term -- he's most likely out for the rest of this year and his value's in his potential, anyway. (think shades of Bosh and Odom) And Maggette is the "poison pill" to get your hands on Randolph, but he's really not all that poison -- he's having a career year and his contract, while not ideal, isn't as terrible as most would have you believe. His game, imo, is something that translates regardless of team, and I actually think he's going to be an ideal 6th Man (which he's perfectly fine being) moving forward.

They'd have to really be sold on Randolph to take on Maggette's contract, though -- even if I don't think it's terrible, all things considered, it'd be a departure in Holt and the Spurs' business model.

Whereas Randolph is a potential franchise-level, skill player ... Thomas is a high-energy, versatile defensive player (at least that's where he's capable of really standing out). He's a poor man's Amar'e if you look at where and how he operates offensively in the halfcourt: face-ups from the elbows and baseline, and excels finishing off others play-making and/or in close proximity to the rim. But he's not someone I look to being a star, more-so a prominent role player with X-factor capability.

Salmons-Thomas is the better fit and would give you the best opportunity to make some noise this year, but I'm afraid that's all it'd be: noise.

Neither of these moves is netting this team a title this year, but they're both moves you do if given the opportunity. There's just not much downside either way -- there's actually a good-to-great amount of upside moving forward.

[jesterbobman]

Maggette is (this season) a better player than Salmons has been, a hugely efficient volume scorer. However, Salmons is probably a better option unless we expect that Maggette keeps this up, his contract is what makes him expendable to the Warriors, and Salmons' fit in terms of his defense and sligtly better shooting(and shorter contract) make him a better fit. Randolph gets it a bit better than Ty, and is game is a bit less raw, and can facilitate on offense. We've shown prior interest in Maggette, though at a far lower price than his current deal. The deals are both fairly similar, the GS option has more talent, but Chicago is less long term commitment and a better fit.

[spursfan4ever]

I enjoyed reading this whole thread. I admit, i am one to sit back and read what others have to say, but I felt it was necesary to discuss this issue:

If and when we do bring in some one new, we have to factor in the learning curve of the current spurs system. As I understand from the past years, it usually takes a player some time to get comfortable with the system before he becomes a factor. As it is, Mcdyess and a RJ are still trying to adapt. Thats my concern about this whole trade idea. I definately agree that the spurs need to do something, but how soon will the new guy(s) be a factor on this team? Would it even help at this point of the season to bring in some one new to start the process of learning and adapting to a new team and players?

[Crazymaddopeyo]

Updated: February 16, 2010, 1:54 AM ET
Sources: Cavs talking to Warriors
By Chris Broussard
ESPN The Magazine
Archive

The Cleveland Cavaliers' pursuit of Amare Stoudemire continues, but in case they can't land the Phoenix Suns' All-Star forward, they have begun talks with the Golden State Warriors about Corey Maggette.

Despite their league-high 13-game win streak, the Cavaliers are leaving no stone unturned in attempting to improve their team and bring the city it's first major sports league championship in 46 years.

In addition to speaking to the Washington Wizards regarding Antawn Jamison and the Indiana Pacers regarding Troy Murphy, Cleveland is in discussions with the Warriors about Maggette, according to four sources with knowledge of the talks.

Stoudemire is far and away the Cavaliers first choice, and sources close to Stoudemire said a report Monday that he told Cleveland he doesn't want to play there is false.

Sources say the Cavaliers are willing to send Zydrunas Ilgauskas, J.J. Hickson, a first-round pick and another player (to make the deal work financially) to Phoenix for Stoudemire, but while the Suns mull over their options, Cleveland remains one of the most active teams in the league leading up to Thursday's trade deadline.

The Cavs might need a Plan B, as the Miami Heat are pushing hard to land Stoudemire as well, sources told ESPN.com's Marc Stein on Monday night.

It is not clear whether the Cavaliers' second-choice is Jamison or Maggette. The discussions with Golden State have centered around Cleveland sending Ilgauskas and his $11.5 million expiring contract to the Warriors for Maggette. Other players, perhaps Cleveland's Danny Green and Golden State's Devean George, would have to be added to make the deal work financially.

As is the case with all their potential trades, the Cavaliers hope their trading partner would waive Ilgauskas so he could re-sign with Cleveland 30 days later. But no such deal can be struck beforehand, per league rules. The Cavaliers' interest in Maggette, who is averaging 20.8 points per game for the Warriors, is somewhat surprising. While the 30-year-old small forward has long been regarded as one of the league's most gifted scorers, he has three years and nearly $31 million left on his contract and has been somewhat injury prone.

Maggette, who has a career scoring average of 16.6 points, has also only made the playoffs one time in his 11-year career with Orlando, the Los Angeles Clippers and the Warriors. That has led some to question Maggette's ability to help a team win, but the same questions dogged Jamal Crawford before he was traded to Atlanta last summer. Crawford, a former teammate of Maggette's in Golden State, has helped the Hawks become an Eastern Conference contender.

LeBron James is aware of Cleveland's interest in Maggette, and sources close to him say he believes he could help the Cavaliers. Maggette can play shooting guard as well as small forward, and while he's not a great outside shooter, the Cavaliers could at times play James and Maggette together on the frontline in a small lineup.

Chris Broussard covers the NBA for ESPN The Magazine.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4917507

[HarlemHeat37]

Maggette in Cleveland would be a bad fit IMO..

[Blackjack]

Agree.:tu

[Obstructed_View]

Agree.:tu

He says hopefully.

[carib]

I am not the one to be posting trade ideas for the Spurs because it never goes down the way we want it to in Spurs Talk its all speculations and feel good posted trends. But never the less if the Blazers are searching for some inside help the Spurs should throw their hands in the mix with talks with the Blazers.

The Blazers have been searching for some inside help to deflect the blow of losing centers Greg Oden(notes) and Joel Przybilla(notes). Some in the league also believe Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard wants to clear the way for Jerryd Bayless(notes) to get more time in the backcourt with Andre Miller(notes)

[ohmwrecker]

Just posted the Camby news in the NBA Thread.
Anyways, that's crazy. I didn't think Portland would get rid of Blake.

They had to choose between Blake and Bayless at some point. It doesn't make much sense to keep both of them. I think they made the right choice. Blake has a much shorter ceiling.

[8FOR!3]

Hopefully Cleveland gets Maggette, that's a terrible fit for them. Corey Maggette would fit better with Anthony Randolph (and Anthony Morrow :P) right here in San Antonio.

[hater]

what the fuck?

ppl are asking for Maggette?? he is a carbon copy of RJ. Low ball IQ and lazy at times. :pctoss

[TJastal]

Hopefully Cleveland gets Maggette, that's a terrible fit for them. Corey Maggette would fit better with Anthony Randolph (and Anthony Morrow :P) right here in San Antonio.

Pop quiz time. Which of these players fits best on the cavaliers?

A. Maggette. A ball hog who would quickly get on Bron's bad side.

B. Amare Stoudemire. Likes alot of touches as well, also the pick and roll, and when he's not doing either of those he prefers to spot up and shoot 15 footers.

C. Hickson. Loves to make cuts to the basket which meshes perfectly with Bron's penetrate and dish style.

And if you guessed C you would be correct.

[dbestpro]

Pop quiz time. Which of these players fits best on the cavaliers?

A. Maggette. A ball hog who would quickly get on Bron's bad side.

B. Amare Stoudemire. Likes alot of touches as well, also the pick and roll, and when he's not doing either of those he prefers to spot up and shoot 15 footers.

C. Hickson. Loves to make cuts to the basket which meshes perfectly with Bron's penetrate and dish style.

And if you guessed C you would be correct.

Funny that people think Clelveland is an inside team when they are shooting 40% from 3 point range as a team.

[Supreme_Being]

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1413/tradej.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/tradej.jpg/)

What do you guys think?

[Mr. Body]

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1413/tradej.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/tradej.jpg/)

What do you guys think?

Imma gonna hit you.

[urunobili]

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1413/tradej.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/tradej.jpg/)

What do you guys think?

:drool:

[Supreme_Being]

Or better yet...

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/931/trade1o.jpg (http://img685.imageshack.us/i/trade1o.jpg/)

[Mel_13]

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1413/tradej.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/tradej.jpg/)

What do you guys think?


Or better yet...

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/931/trade1o.jpg (http://img685.imageshack.us/i/trade1o.jpg/)

:lol

OK, stop playing with the trade machine. If you must continue, I'd request the RJ for LeBron trade.

[Supreme_Being]

Speaking of which...

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8193/trade3.jpg (http://img442.imageshack.us/i/trade3.jpg/)

[tav1]

RMJ's agent is requesting Miami and NY as preferred destinations for his client. I'd be happy with a deal that brought back Jeffries and Chandler or Wright and Jones. Not great by any stretch, but as a Thursday afternoon option, I'd take both.

[Mel_13]

Speaking of which...

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8193/trade3.jpg (http://img442.imageshack.us/i/trade3.jpg/)

You included Finley when the trade works without him. Thanks.:lol

[jiggy_55]

RMJ's agent is requesting Miami and NY as preferred destinations for his client. I'd be happy with a deal that brought back Jeffries and Chandler or Wright and Jones. Not great by any stretch, but as a Thursday afternoon option, I'd take both.

Whats your source? Link? Yahoo says Miami and Memphis interested.

[bigdog]

Yeah, I haven't seen NY in any Mason talk.

[Mel_13]

Yeah, I haven't seen NY in any Mason talk.

Howard Beck, NY Times on Twitter:

If Roger Mason gets his wish - a trade from Spurs - Knicks are a preferred destination, I'm told. Not clear how much interest NY has.

http://twitter.com/howardbecknyt

[timvp]

I don't see any trade with the Knicks that makes sense. Hill and Gallo have too much value for the Knicks. I wouldn't take back Jeffries even if the Knicks threw in a first round pick. His player option would be a killer next year.

If the Knicks want to get even further under the cap this summer and offer Chandler and Douglas for RMJ, that's a no-brainer. But I can't imagine the Knicks would want to salary dump those players for next to nothing.

It looks like the only realistic way RMJ ends up on the Knicks is in some sort of three-team deal.

[bigdog]

I don't see any trade with the Knicks that makes sense. Hill and Gallo have too much value for the Knicks. I wouldn't take back Jeffries even if the Knicks threw in a first round pick. His player option would be a killer next year.

If the Knicks want to get even further under the cap this summer and offer Chandler and Douglas for RMJ, that's a no-brainer. But I can't imagine the Knicks would want to salary dump those players for next to nothing.

It looks like the only realistic way RMJ ends up on the Knicks is in some sort of three-team deal.

Maybe the Spurs get in on the deal with NY and Houston?

[I. Hustle]

I'm telling you guys. RMJ for Marc Gasol. Let us bow our heads


lol