Official Trade Deadline Speculation Thread

[LOL@MavsFan]

I'm telling you guys. RMJ for Marc Gasol. Let us bow our heads


lol

He isn't old enough, Pop wants 30 yrs old + as centers :lol

[SequSpur]

Wow. The Spurs must not have really wanted Camby. I'm pretty surprised the Blazers would trade for Camby as if he makes them a championship contender.

no dude...camby wants no part of po dunk san antonio...just like everyone else...

[murpjf88]

I'm telling you guys. RMJ for Marc Gasol. Let us bow our heads


lol

Get your head out of the clouds LOL.

[Obstructed_View]

no dude...camby wants no part of po dunk san antonio...just like everyone else...

Because NBA trades are all about free will...

[DesignatedT]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjq3m9l

[Truckules]

I hope that Cleveland and Phoenix can agree on a deal concerning Stoudemire. If they can't, Cleveland probably ends up with Tyrus Thomas.

[Libri]

I hope that Cleveland and Phoenix can agree on a deal concerning Stoudemire. If they can't, Cleveland probably ends up with Tyrus Thomas.

or Troy Murphy

[CGD]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjq3m9l

Usually posters overreach with their trade proposals, but this one actually makes a lot of sense for all parties involved.

[SequSpur]

Because NBA trades are all about free will...

with players like Camby it is...

[Blackjack]

He says hopefully.

:lol

Truth be told, I'm not a real Maggette fan, but his play this year has allowed me to take another look and reassess my opinion.


Fact of the matter is, he's an upgrade over RJ -- plain and simple. And it's the same rationale I had when it came to Vince and RJ (neither of whom were ideal fits but were the options available): his skillset is defined and he wouldn't, couldn't and shouldn't, be asked to play a role that he's incapable of -- neither Vince, RJ or Maggette are capable of being defensive-minded, utility-playing, glue guys, but Vince and Maggette bring a talent that stands on it's own -- Carter's an exceptional individual offensive talent and Maggette's gets to the line at an ungodly rate and rebounds the position well (which needs to be considered given Pop's affinity for smallball).

As I mentioned, I do believe Maggette could be an ideal 6th Man for the duration of his contract, given his skillset and proven willingness to do it, but the reason for the trade would be Randolph -- Maggette and Bell/Turiaf would make them better here in the "right now", though.

At the end of the day, it's nothing more than speculative banter, that has little-to-no-shot of coming to fruition, but that's what it's all about this time of year . . .

[lebomb]

.......or would he just be another poor mans Mahinmi?

Rudy Gay and Thabeet for Mason/Fins/Bonner and 1st round pick?

[MaNu4Tres]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylr6s6c

Throw in Splitter to Golden State.

Still by far my favorite trade.

That's if Holt would sign off on it.

[koriwhat]

thats a no brainer... id take rudy gay any day of the week.

[SenorSpur]

thats a no brainer... id take rudy gay any day of the week.

...and twice on Sunday. Rudy Gay is, by far, most preferred choice. I just wonder if Memphis would make him available for trade.

[Mel_13]

...and twice on Sunday. Rudy Gay is, by far, most preferred choice. I just wonder if Memphis would make him available for trade.


There's no logical reason for them to do so, but it would be nice if they did.

[Blackjack]

'Tres, that trade prevents me from standing . . .

[Bruno]

Let's talk about some crazy unrealistic trades... :rolleyes

[SpursRulez4eVeR]

i will do hill bonner rj for conley and gay

[MaNu4Tres]

Let's talk about some crazy unrealistic trades... :rolleyes

If you look at my proposed trade. It actually makes sense from all sides, that's if Holt would sign off on it.

[Bruno]

If you look at my proposed trade. It actually makes sense from all sides, that's if Holt would sign off on it.

It makes no sense at all for Warriors.

[Blackjack]

Let's talk about some crazy unrealistic trades... :rolleyes

Let me :rolleyes at your :rolleyes as my :rolleyes at the thought of 'Tres' proposed deal -- I will then :rolleyes after completion of the thought (I told you I couldn't stand . . .)

[CGD]

Let's talk about some crazy unrealistic trades... :rolleyes

Agreed. DesignatedT's proposal above seems to be the only reasonable one among the lot:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yjq3m9l

[MaNu4Tres]

It makes no sense at all for Warriors.

Warriors are currently in talks with Cleveland with the intention to get rid of Maggette's contract.

Warriors would be saving 18 million in the deal by getting rid of Maggette's contract.

They would be attaining the rights to Splitter, which would make Beidrins 9 million base salary easier to part with if Splitter were to come over and sign next year.

[Blackjack]

It makes no sense at all for Warriors.

Seriously, which I have a hard time being at the moment, unloading Maggette and acquiring a cheaper option in Splitter (which could allow them to unload Biedrins) would make some sense for them.

It's a pipe dream on my behalf, but it's really not all that ridiculous a thought .

[Blackjack]

Damn you, 'Tres . . .:lol

[MaNu4Tres]

Seriously, which I have a hard time being at the moment, unloading Maggette and acquiring a cheaper option in Splitter (which could allow them to unload Biedrins) would make some sense for them.

It's a pipe dream on my behalf, but it's really not all that ridiculous a thought .

Thank you blackjack

It is a pipedream to an extent, but for Bruno to say " It makes no sense at all" is a bit of an exaggeration.

[I. Hustle]

I do not think there is 1 trade in this entire thread for the Spurs that is likely to happen.

Money Mase for Marc Gasol. I have started fasting.

[objective]

Mason wants out.

Ford had this in his chat today about OKC (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/30864):


Take Nick Collison off their hands for an expiring contract and get one of their first round picks.

Mason + Bonner for Nick Collison + 1st.

Mason & Bonner are both out of town then plus a first. Plus Collison is just the kind of stiff that would be a mistake that Pop, the FO, and a lot of Spurs fans are in love with, plus his contract only runs one more year. Plus this deal gets the Spurs slightly cheaper luxury tax obligations.

[pad300]

To adjust Manu4Tres's trade a bit

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yk3kwpx

Add $3 million from SAS to GSW. Ad 2010 1st from SAS to GSW (or Splitter, but not both).

Mahinmi goes to GSW instead; CHI doesn't want/need his salary for the rest of the year, and the associated cap hold. CHI moves both Thomas and Salmons for expirings (basically what they want).

Spurs FO loves it. Saves 2.6 Million in Lux tax and prorated same in Salary. That's where the $3Million to GSW comes from.

GSW gets 2 prospects (Mahinmi, 2010 pick), moves one they have issues with (Randolph), and switches Maggette's long deal for the shorter Jefferson deal. Costs them about 1.8 Million in lux tax and the pro-rated salary, but that's what the $3 Million is for...

[Boss]

WojYahooNBA (http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)
Y! sources: Spurs trying to trade Antonio McDyess as prelude to making deal for Chicago's Tyrus Thomas:

[objective]

To adjust Manu4Tres's trade a bit

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yk3kwpx

Add $3 million from SAS to GSW.

The Spurs paying $3 million to anyone would be a sign of the end-times.

I know they went 'all-in' with Jefferson . . . but they've never even bought a draft pick. The only time I can think of when the Spurs paid money to another team was with the Beno deal and only because that saved them more money off the tax.

Holt was going to let Parker walk over $2 million until shamed into paying publicly.

$3 million can't be realistic can it? For any deal?

[pad300]

The Spurs paying $3 million to anyone would be a sign of the end-times.

I know they went 'all-in' with Jefferson . . . but they've never even bought a draft pick. The only time I can think of when the Spurs paid money to another team was with the Beno deal and only because that saved them more money off the tax.

Holt was going to let Parker walk over $2 million until shamed into paying publicly.

$3 million can't be realistic can it? For any deal?

Don't know. The proposal on the table saves them that money from the current salary structure...Given that they are already committed to spending that money, they might.

[FvckMavs]

WojYahooNBA (http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)
Y! sources: Spurs trying to trade Antonio McDyess as prelude to making deal for Chicago's Tyrus Thomas:

The San Antonio Spurs are trying to unload Antonio McDyess(notes) and the remaining $7.5 million owed him after this season to possibly clear a way to make a trade for Chicago Bulls forward Tyrus Thomas(notes), league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Spurs have been searching for expiring deals to move McDyess, who will make $4.9 million next season and is guaranteed about $2.6 million in 2011-12. Trading McDyess would free minutes and give them greater flexibility to re-sign Thomas this summer if they want. Thomas would give the Spurs a younger, more athletic complement to Tim Duncan(notes), and could be part of a future frontline with former first-round pick Tiago Splitter(notes) and rookie DeJuan Blair(notes).

The Spurs are shopping Roger Mason(notes), who is in the final season of his contract, with the help of Mason’s agent. In addition to Mason, they have a number of other expiring contracts – Michael Finley(notes), Matt Bonner(notes), Ian Mahinmi(notes) among them – to possibly offer the Bulls.

The Denver Nuggets could be a match for McDyess, who played six seasons there. Nevertheless, it’s less likely the Spurs would want to do that deal with another Western Conference contender. The Bulls have been shopping Thomas, and are trying to get expiring contracts and a good first-round pick for him.

New York still has interest in a deal for Thomas that would include Al Harrington(notes), but doesn’t have a 2010 first-round pick to give them. And one of the Knicks future first-round picks could be on its way to Houston in the deal they’re discussing for Tracy McGrady(notes) and his expiring contract.

The Spurs are 30-21 and are tied for fifth place in the Western Conference. They traded for Richard Jefferson(notes), who they also have tried to trade, and signed McDyess last summer to increase their payroll to about $80 million in hopes of chasing their fifth championship.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-thomasspurs021610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[jag]

The Spurs should go after Gortat (just my two cents). I think he's more of an answer than Thomas.

[taps]

Money Mase for Marc Gasol. I have started fasting.

:lol best thing i have read all day

:tu

[Blackjack]

Cavs talks with Wash for Antawn Jamison have intensified today, sources say. Cleve needed to relent on some pieces for possible deal there.

[objective]

ESPN has a new page that is supposed to collect all of their rumors and news:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-2010

[yavozerb]

The Spurs should go after Gortat (just my two cents). I think he's more of an answer than Thomas.

Also double the price..no thanks

[Blackjack]

Good looking out, objective. :toast

[EricB]

I don't see why dyess has to be sacrificed for this half brained twit Thomas....

[scottspurs]

It will be interesting to see if anyone who has been mentioned in all these trade speculations sits out during tonights games.

[Mel_13]

I don't see why dyess has to be sacrificed for this half brained twit Thomas....

Come on. You don't have to like it to know why they'd do it.

$$$$$$

[dbestpro]

If Drew Gooden is bought out by Washington would you want to sign him?

[lurker23]

Mason wants out.

Ford had this in his chat today about OKC (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/30864):



Mason + Bonner for Nick Collison + 1st.

Mason & Bonner are both out of town then plus a first. Plus Collison is just the kind of stiff that would be a mistake that Pop, the FO, and a lot of Spurs fans are in love with, plus his contract only runs one more year. Plus this deal gets the Spurs slightly cheaper luxury tax obligations.

I would do that. Another 1st round pick would be great for the Spurs future, plus you get another guy with an expiring contract for next year.

[scottspurs]

If Drew Gooden is bought out by Washington would you want to sign him?

no way, plus I think he would return to the mavericks before he would return to the Spurs.

[hater]

It will be interesting to see if anyone who has been mentioned in all these trade speculations sits out during tonights games.

yeah but no spurs game tonight

[scottspurs]

yeah but no spurs game tonight

I was talking about players from other teams that have been talked about in this thread. Tomorrow night will be more than interesting.

[objective]

Does Sacramento play tonight?

Maybe their announcer will have more scoops! :lol

[scottspurs]

Does Sacramento play tonight?

Maybe their announcer will have more scoops! :lol

Oh how far this thread has come.:lmao

[5in10]

Lol the next move for this thread should be to make it the trade deadline BLOG for all of tommorow until the deadline ends.

[Pistons < Spurs]

WojYahooNBA

Miami tried to enlist Charlotte as 3rd-team to make Amar'e deal but failed, league sources said. Udonis Haslem would've gone to Charlotte.

[crc21209]

Damn, Haslem on the Bobcats would've been deadly added to Gerald Wallace, Stephen Jackson, and with Larry Brown coaching..

[CGD]

Very interesting. If only Miami tried to enlist us...

[I. Hustle]

I wanted to put this in the Deng for Jefferson thread but alas I was not IBTL

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Luolz.jpg

[crc21209]

In other big man news:

Drew Gooden is likely to negotiate a buyout with the Wizards, sources tells Y! Sports. Bucks, Bobcats, Nugs and return to Mavs all possible.

http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

[Mel_13]

In other big man news:

Drew Gooden is likely to negotiate a buyout with the Wizards, sources tells Y! Sports. Bucks, Bobcats, Nugs and return to Mavs all possible.

http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

That could make it 9 teams in 8 seasons.

[HarlemHeat37]

Gooden would fit very well with the Nuggets personality-wise..

[Pistons < Spurs]

McGrady Update

The Knicks and Bulls are waiting to hear back from the Rockets on their intentions with regard to Tracy McGrady, a high-level source involved in the process told CBSSports.com Tuesday.

New York is hopeful its proposal involving Jared Jeffries and his $6.9 million owed in 2010-11 -- along with some combination of first-round picks after 2010 -- will be successful in landing McGrady and his $23 million expiring deal. The combination would dramatically enhance the Knicks' efforts to clear enough cap space to sign two max free agents this summer. Completing a deal with Houston involving Jeffries would get the Knicks within about $1 million of that goal -- an amount that theoretically could be trimmed by buying out Eddy Curry's contract.

Chicago is believed to remain involved in discussions with the Rockets about McGrady, with the same goal in mind. That's where things get complicated, as the Bulls also are engaged in talks with the aforementioned Knicks, Trail Blazers, Spurs, and to a lesser degree the Nuggets in various trade scenarios involving Tyrus Thomas.

While sources indicated that the Knicks' chances of landing McGrady had risen to "50-50" over All-Star weekend, two people on the periphery of the negotiations expressed pessimsm Monday that the deal as currently constructed would go through. Houston is driving a hard bargain for McGrady's expiring chip and holds all the cards, with the negotiations expected to go down to the 3 p.m. Thursday deadline, one source said.

Due to the size of McGrady's contract, sources say a third team may need to be recruited to keep the discussions alive. In addition to the Bulls' involvement, another source said Cleveland, Miami, and Philadelphia -- all engaged on one level or another with the Suns for Amar'e Stoudemire -- were high on the Rockets' list of teams to recruit. Cleveland, it is believed, will be reluctant to participate in any deal helping New York shed Jeffries for obvious reasons; the cap room would boost the Knicks in the race to see which team can overtake Miami in the driver's seat for the 2010 free-agent bonanza.http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/20097253

[timvp]

The Spurs paying $3 million to anyone would be a sign of the end-times.

I know they went 'all-in' with Jefferson . . . but they've never even bought a draft pick. The only time I can think of when the Spurs paid money to another team was with the Beno deal and only because that saved them more money off the tax.

Holt was going to let Parker walk over $2 million until shamed into paying publicly.

$3 million can't be realistic can it? For any deal?Pretty damn sure the Spurs gave the Knicks $3 million in the Malik trade.


Gooden would fit very well with the Nuggets personality-wise..Hopefully that happens. That would make the Nuggets more apt to meltdown.

[Bruno]

the Bulls also are engaged in talks with the aforementioned Knicks, Trail Blazers, Spurs, and to a lesser degree the Nuggets in various trade scenarios involving Tyrus Thomas.


Blazers are out, Nuggets don't really have the contracts to do the trade...

IMO, the market for Thomas is quite little and Spurs have a legit shot at getting him.

[HarlemHeat37]

Blazers are out, Nuggets don't really have the contracts to do the trade...

IMO, the market for Thomas is quite little and Spurs have a legit shot at getting him.

I think our main competition for Thomas will be the Lakers-Bulls-Minnesota 3-way deal and if the Knicks get the Bulls involved with the 3-way deal for McGrady with Houston..

TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs don't get Thomas and end up making a trade that surprises all of us..or no significant trade at all other than dumping Mason..

[timvp]

Blazers are out

Just read . . .

And while it seemed like the Trail Blazers were probably out of the mix for Thomas now that they've landed a big man in Marcus Camby, Ken Berger of CBS Sports writes they are still interested in him.

"The Blazers have kept in close contact with Bulls officials regarding Thomas, and the acquisition of Camby has not dampened their interest, a source said," he writes. "They may need a third team to facilitate a deal since they sent their two most significant expiring contracts to the Clippers for Camby."

If the Blazers buy Thomas for $3 million and trash, that would be annoying.

[objective]

Pretty damn sure the Spurs gave the Knicks $3 million in the Malik trade.


if that happened, I don't remember it.

[HarlemHeat37]

Thomas to Portland doesn't make any sense from a personnel-standpoint though IMO, especially after the Camby deal..I wouldn't be surprised if they do it just so Pritchard can fuck with the Spurs..

[Bruno]

Just read . . .

If the Blazers buy Thomas for $3 million and trash, that would be annoying.


Blazers don't really have the contracts to make a trade, even with a third team involved.

[Blackjack]

Chad Ford: The Knicks have had discussions with both the Rockets and Bulls about deals that would bring Tracy McGrady and Tyrus Thomas to New York.

However, as of Tuesday afternoon, the Knicks say they aren't sure where they stand with either team.

McGrady's agent, Arn Tellem, initiated talks with the Knicks and has been trying to make a deal happen, according to a source close to the process. The Knicks believe McGrady can still play and are hoping he can both lead them to a playoff berth and help convince LeBron James to come to New York this summer. Even if McGrady can do neither, he would allow them to get further under the cap this summer if they can include Jared Jeffries in a deal with Houston.

However, the Rockets' asking price is steep if they have to take back Jeffries and the $6.6 million remaining on his contract next year.

The same source said the Rockets want expiring contracts, 2009 first-round pick Jordan Hill and future first-rounders from New York to make it happen. That's too rich for the Knicks' blood. While they'd love to clear Jeffries' contract off the books, it's too big of a risk. If the Knicks didn't land a marquee free agent or two this summer, they'd have given away up to three lottery picks for nothing.

If the Rockets drop the request for the future 2012 first-rounder, the Knicks might be game for a deal that would send Larry Hughes, Jeffries and Hill to Houston for McGrady. However, a source close to the process believes that the Rockets may have better options for McGrady if the Knicks won't meet their demands.

Meanwhile, New York has also initiated discussions with the Bulls about a Tyrus Thomas swap. The Knicks are willing to offer Chicago Al Harrington for Thomas and Jerome James. While Harrington would be a plus for the Bulls this season, Chicago has been hoping to get a future asset (preferably a first-round pick or a good player) in return for Thomas.

[TD 21]

Wow. The Spurs must not have really wanted Camby. I'm pretty surprised the Blazers would trade for Camby as if he makes them a championship contender.

I think the Spurs are at the point where they realize now that they have to start surrounding Duncan (and to a lesser extent, Parker and Ginobili) with more young talent and athleticism than just Hill and Blair. This is why acquiring Thomas makes sense and why they may trade McDyess to facilitate that. A 10-11 big man rotation of Duncan-Thomas-Blair-Splitter is very intriguing.

For the Blazers, it makes perfect sense. Outlaw and Blake were two spare parts on a team overloaded with depth and young talent and neither was going to be retained after the season. At SF, they're already covered with Webster/Batum (in addition to opening up more minutes for Fernandez, as they can occasionally slide Roy up to SF and play three guards) and at PG, they're covered with Miller/Bayless (Roy can also slide down to PG). Camby gives them a C for the remainder of this season, but isn't on the books next season when they'll have Oden/Pryzbilla back at C.

[duncan228]

Trade buzz: Heat looking for trade partner (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-tradebuzz021610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
By Adrian Wojnarowski

The Miami Heat have failed to recruit the Charlotte Bobcats as a third team in trade talks for Amar’e Stoudemire, league sources said. The discussions centered on Charlotte taking on Udonis Haslem in a deal, but the price ultimately made no sense for them.

It would’ve possibly opened the door for Miami to deal Jermaine O’Neal to the Suns and take back both Stoudemire and Jason Richardson. The Suns have tried to include Richardson, who will make $14.4 million next season, in packages with Stoudemire.

– Adrian Wojnarowski, 6:08 p.m. ET, Feb. 16


Gooden could become free agent

Drew Gooden will likely negotiate a buyout with the Washington Wizards, sources said. Once a free agent, he’ll have several possible destinations, including the Charlotte Bobcats, Milwaukee Bucks, Denver Nuggets and a return to the Dallas Mavericks.

The Wizards acquired Gooden on Saturday in their trade that send Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson to Dallas.

– Adrian Wojnarowski, 6:08 p.m. ET, Feb. 16

[jimo2305]

trading for thomas is at least doing something but i just don't see how that'd help us THIS season..

thomas is a roll of the dice player.. i just don't know.. plus.. it won't fix our center problem..

[Mel_13]

if that happened, I don't remember it.

It did. Malik had a 3M dollar trade kicker. Spurs sent the cash along to cover it.

[Mel_13]

Trade buzz: Heat looking for trade partner (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-tradebuzz021610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
By Adrian Wojnarowski

The Miami Heat have failed to recruit the Charlotte Bobcats as a third team in trade talks for Amar’e Stoudemire, league sources said. The discussions centered on Charlotte taking on Udonis Haslem in a deal, but the price ultimately made no sense for them.

It would’ve possibly opened the door for Miami to deal Jermaine O’Neal to the Suns and take back both Stoudemire and Jason Richardson. The Suns have tried to include Richardson, who will make $14.4 million next season, in packages with Stoudemire.

– Adrian Wojnarowski, 6:08 p.m. ET, Feb. 16


Gooden could become free agent

Drew Gooden will likely negotiate a buyout with the Washington Wizards, sources said. Once a free agent, he’ll have several possible destinations, including the Charlotte Bobcats, Milwaukee Bucks, Denver Nuggets and a return to the Dallas Mavericks.

The Wizards acquired Gooden on Saturday in their trade that send Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson to Dallas.

– Adrian Wojnarowski, 6:08 p.m. ET, Feb. 16


We have the pieces to facilitate the PHX-MIA trade above:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjcz8ya

[DesignatedT]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjq3m9l

[Johnny RIngo]

If our only off-season acquisition is Haslem we might as well start tanking now.

[angelbelow]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjq3m9l

Too good to be true. I dont see Miami giving up both PF and a potential in Wright.

[elec99]

By Frank Hughes, SI.com


Displeased with the way he has fit into their system, the San Antonio Spurs are attempting to trade forward Richard Jefferson just days before the trade deadline, multiple league sources have confirmed.

However, because of Jefferson's lack of production this season, as well as his $14.2 million salary, it does not seem likely the Spurs are going to find any takers.

"They're trying, but there may not be a market for his contract," one Eastern Conference executive told SI.com.

Jefferson has one year and $15.2 million remaining after this season.

The calls being placed by Spurs general manager R.C. Buford are a stark admittance that he made a mistake when trading Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas and Fabricio Oberto to the Milwaukee Bucks for Jefferson, envisioning him as yet another talented scoring option to complement Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili.

Instead, the 29-year-old Jefferson is having the worst season since his rookie year, averaging 12.2 points, 3.6 rebounds and 2.1 assists as he has struggled to fit in with the Spurs' primary trio.

Perhaps even more intriguing is whether Buford's intentions with Jefferson is a sign that he thinks the Spurs in their current form cannot win a title. The Spurs are essentially tied with the Oklahoma City Thunder and the Phoenix Suns for the fifth seed in the Western Conference but have lost eight of their past 14 games.

[elec99]

Yes finally! Ok, so maybe it won't happen, but that contract will be valuable for trade next year at the very least...

[SenorSpur]

Perhaps even more intriguing is whether Buford's intentions with Jefferson is a sign that he thinks the Spurs in their current form cannot win a title. The Spurs are essentially tied with the Oklahoma City Thunder and the Phoenix Suns for the fifth seed in the Western Conference but have lost eight of their past 14 games.

There's no question the FO has come to that stark realization. Anyone who has checked the standings or watched how this team has played this year, would know that.

[ElNono]

Displeased with the way he has fit into their system, the San Antonio Spurs are attempting to trade forward Richard Jefferson just days before the trade deadline, multiple league sources have confirmed.


That 'multiple league sources' guy knows a lot!

[Juanobili]

That 'multiple league sources' guy knows a lot!

lol


if only one of those "sources" was a fellow board member

anyone? no? Cmonnnn... we wont tell on youuuu

[HarlemHeat37]

Somebody in the Spurs organization needs to go to Philly and work some magic..

[jimo2305]

Somebody in the Spurs organization needs to go to Philly and work some magic..

and take this proposal with them

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykj7oxu

[duncan228]

Grunfeld ducks questions about dealing Jamison (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-wizardsshake-up&prov=ap&type=lgns)

After the Washington Wizards traded Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson to the Dallas Mavericks, it was natural to speculate that Antawn Jamison would be next to go.

With Gilbert Arenas suspended for the rest of the season and Butler dealt, Jamison, who’s been with Washington since 2004, is the only one of what was once the Wizards’ Big Three remaining.

“We still have the trade deadline. There’s still a lot of conversations going on,” Ernie Grunfeld, Washington’s president said on Tuesday.

The deadline is 3 p.m. EST on Thursday.

Grunfeld refused to speculate on a possible Jamison move. The 33-year-old Jamison, who’s averaging 20.5 points, has been rumored to be coveted by the Cleveland Cavaliers. He did not speak with reporters after practice.

“We’re still exploring things,” Grunfeld said. “We want to see what this group does. If we don’t make a move by Thursday, there’s also the opportunity to make a move during the summer.”

Washington received four players from the Mavericks—forwards Josh Howard, Drew Gooden, center James Singleton and guard Quinton Ross. All except for Gooden practiced with the team; Gooden was said to be traveling to Washington on Tuesday night and scheduled to be available for Wednesday’s game with Minnesota.

The Wizards did not address a media report that Gooden would negotiate a buyout of his contract.

Washington starts the second half of the season with a 17-33 record, ahead of only the sorry New Jersey Nets, who have a 4-48 mark, in the Eastern Conference.

“We had high expectations. Most people picked us to be one of the top four or five teams in the East and to win between 45 and 50 games, and that just didn’t happen,” Grunfeld said.

Howard, who was an All-Star in 2007, has been limited to 31 games this season due to a slow recovery from offseason left ankle surgery. He also had left wrist surgery. Howard is averaging 12.5 points this season.

“I’m coming here with a positive attitude, playing hard and trying to get us into the playoffs,” Howard said. “We can make a strong push and get the eighth spot—if not the seventh.”

Howard leaves Dallas, where he made the playoffs in each of his six seasons, for a team that had lots of turmoil this season. Arenas and Javaris Crittenton both admitted to bringing a gun into the locker room after a dispute stemming from a card game on a team flight. Both were suspended for the balance of the season.

“The things that happened before I got here—that was in the past. They handled it well,” Howard said.

Wizards coach Flip Saunders, who has four trips to conference finals on his resume, isn’t used to rebuilding teams. He said that it was still possible for his revamped team to make a playoff run.

“We’ll know in the next couple of weeks,” Saunders said. “How quickly the new players adapt will determine how we’ll be.”

Grunfeld, who’s been forced to dismantle the team he’s painstakingly built over the last 6 1/2 seasons, is eager to see what he’s left Saunders with.

“Anytime you make a change, it gives you a little bit of a rejuvenation,” Grunfeld said.

*********************

Cavs talks with Wizards intensify (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-cavswizards021610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
By Adrian Wojnarowski

The Cleveland Cavaliers have made significant progress in trade discussions with the Washington Wizards, offering Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Jamario Moon and a No. 1 draft pick for Antawn Jamison and Mike James, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Some league sources believe this is a deal that is preferable to some members of the Cavaliers’ management and coaching staffs over Amar’e Stoudemire, but Cleveland still hasn’t made a decision on which trade to ultimately make. Other trade proposals that intrigue the Cavs are still emerging on the landscape, but the focus now is on Jamison or Stoudemire.

Washington is still trying to squeeze possibly another pick or young player out of the Cavs, but sources say it’s possible a deal could get done without J.J. Hickson. As it stands, both sides believe they have the framework of a workable deal.

Despite LeBron James’ desire for Stoudemire, sources say some within the Cavs aren’t completely sold that acquiring the Phoenix Suns All-Star forward is the best move at the trade deadline. The front office and coaching staffs have to walk delicately when dealing with James on these trade scenarios, because ultimately he has to buy into the move they make.

“I don’t think that Phoenix believes that its deal for Amar’e is Cleveland’s No. 1 choice anymore,” says a league source briefed on both team’s discussions.

Some Cavs officials are intrigued with Stoudemire, but believe that Antawn Jamison – and potentially other targets – could be a better fit. Stoudemire would bring dramatic change to a team that has won 13 straight and currently owns the NBA’s best record.

The Cavs may still do the Stoudemire deal, but not without some level of pause.

James’ desire to play with Stoudemire has been a major reason why the Cavaliers and Suns are so deep in negotiations. James has told Cavs management he can make things work among Stoudemire, Shaquille O’Neal and himself. Ultimately, that task will upon him far more than coach Mike Brown.

Talks with the Wizards were ongoing on Tuesday and sources believe the Cavs were starting to relent on Washington general manager Ernie Grunfeld’s demands for Jamison. For a long time, Cleveland – and others around the league – truly doubted Grunfeld’s willingness to part with Jamison, but that’s changed in the past few days, especially after the Wizards dealt Caron Butler.

Washington has been talking with Miami on a potential trade for Jamison, but much like the Suns, just doesn’t like what the Heat are offering.

As opposed to proposals from the Heat, sources says, the deal with Cleveland would give Washington more cap relief this summer.

[vander]

Stoudemire >>> Jamison

Jamison's freaking 33 already and still has 2 years 29 million left on his deal. plus he's scoring a lot on a bad team, It'll be like our Jefferson trade, maybe worse.

[Blackjack]

J.A. Adande: With rampant speculation that Miami is trying to pry Amare Stoudemire from the Phoenix Suns before the Cleveland Cavaliers can get him, here are two possible scenarios.

According to an NBA source, the Heat are offering Daequan Cook, Quentin Richardson, Dorell Wright, Mario Chalmers and draft picks to the Suns. Cook is the only player among that group who is under contract for next season (Chalmers has a team option for $847,000). It is believed that the Suns would rather have a package from Cleveland that would include Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson and a draft pick, with the young Hickson as the most appealing part of the package.

Another league source said the Suns would like to attach Jason Richardson to a Stoudemire trade, which would relieve Phoenix from having to pay Richardson's $14 million salary next season. The combined $29 million of outgoing salary from Stoudemire and Richardson this season would be too difficult for Clevlend to match to make a trade work under the salary cap guidelines. Miami, however, could add the $23 million expiring salary of Jermaine O'Neal to the previously mentioned offer and come within the 25 percent range of matching salaries. I have yet to hear that they are willing to do so, I am merely mentioning the possibility.

That would have obvious appeal to the Suns, allowing them to escape from luxury-tax land next season and positioning them to go after a major free agent this summer.

The Suns would be looking at nine players under contract for a total of about $33 million next season: Steve Nash ($10.3 million), Leandro Barbosa ($7.1 million), Grant Hill ($3.3 million player option), Channing Frye ($2 million player option), Goran Dragic ($2 million), Earl Clark ($1.9 million), Robin Lopez ($1.9 million), Jared Dudley ($2.2 million) and Cook ($2.2 million).

The Heat would be stuck with Richardson's contract and could potentially have Stoudemire opt out and leave them as a free agent. But they would also have Stoudemire's Larry Bird rights, enabling them to offer a longer and more lucrative contract than any other team. And they would have demonstrated to Dwyane Wade that they would do whatever it takes to bring another All-Star to play alongside him.

[duncan228]

On The Block: Tracy McGrady, Rockets (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=tsn-ontheblocktracymcgra&prov=tsn&type=lgns)
SportingNews

With Thursday’s trading deadline approaching, Sporting News’ Sean Deveney assesses the latest player rumors. Today’s player on the spot: Rockets shooting guard Tracy McGrady.

The facts: The Rockets pretty much banished McGrady, who is coming back after having microfracture surgery a year ago. He played in six games in December, scoring 19 points total, before the team asked him to leave and announced it would seek a trade. It’s an awkward end to the McGrady era in Houston, where his pairing with Yao Ming never brought the team to the championship it envisioned.

Bait needed: The Rockets don’t want to take back a huge amount of salary for McGrady, whose $23 million contract expires this summer—they wouldn’t mind simply riding out the year with McGrady, letting his contract expire and sitting on the savings themselves. But if they can get some youth and/or draft picks, they would be willing to take back some contracts that go past this year.

Welcome mat: The Knicks and Bulls remain the two most prominent destinations for McGrady. Chicago would like to build a package around Tyrus Thomas and the expiring contract of Brad Miller, but would likely need to involve a third team to make things work. The Knicks have been pressing hard for McGrady, but they want Houston to take back the contract of Jared Jeffries, who has a player option worth $6.9 million next year. The Knicks are also reluctant to include rookie big man Jordan Hill in a deal with the Rockets.

Logic test: The Rockets, obviously, aren’t using McGrady, so they might as well deal him—but only if it does not do significant damage to the team’s cap situation in the future.

So they say: "I am not sure why the Rockets have done what they’ve done. They put (McGrady) out there for a few games, then sent him away. That really hurt the market for him. If you want to trade him, let the rest of the league see that he can still play." — Western Conference general manager

Bottom line: The Rockets are in a good position—they can perhaps bring in some young assets for McGrady, but the worst that can happen is they just let him walk at the end of the year or reach a buyout after Thursday’s deadline. Still, the team is being presented with some good scenarios, so expect a deal.

[vander]

I don't see any trade with the Knicks that makes sense. Hill and Gallo have too much value for the Knicks. I wouldn't take back Jeffries even if the Knicks threw in a first round pick. His player option would be a killer next year.


how about
(Bonner or Mason)/Finley/Mcdyess for Hill/Jeffries

is 4.5 mill in cap room next year worth a promising young PF to NY?

for us, I'm sure 7 mil for one year on Jeffries is easily worth getting Hill, it isn't like we were going to be able to sign any FAs this off season anyways.

[Mel_13]

how about
(Bonner or Mason)/Finley/Mcdyess for Hill/Jeffries

is 4.5 mill in cap room next year worth a promising young PF to NY?

for us, I'm sure 7 mil for one year on Jeffries is easily worth getting Hill, it isn't like we were going to be able to sign any FAs this off season anyways.

Your question answers itself. The Knicks would almost certainly be willing to give up Hill to create 7M more in cap space. Your trade only nets them 2M in cap space, so it is very doubtful they would be interested.

[vander]

Your question answers itself. The Knicks would almost certainly be willing to give up Hill to create 7M more in cap space. Your trade only nets them 2M in cap space, so it is very doubtful they would be interested.

plus the 2.5 mill they wouldn't be paying Hill

= 4.5 mill

[relic]

how about a trade for ray allen, we need a pure three point shooter.(i hate his a$$ but put a spurs jersey on him and he's cool)

[CGD]

We have the pieces to facilitate the PHX-MIA trade above:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjcz8ya

Yeah, but Miami has enough potentially to do it alone. O'neal's absurd contract plus a few pieces may be enough if the Heat decide to take on Richardson on top of Amare.

[Mel_13]

plus the 2.5 mill they wouldn't be paying Hill

= 4.5 mill

You're right.

So that makes it more likely that the Knicks would do it. Hill has played so infrequently this year that I couldn't make a guess as to whether he may be of interest to the Spurs. One thing I would bet on is that Dice would retire before he reported to NY.

It is clear that any team willing to take on Jefferies can get a young player, picks, or both.

[DPG21920]

Ehh. No thanks.

[Mel_13]

Yeah, but Miami has enough potentially to do it alone. O'neal's absurd contract contact plus a few pieces may be enough if the Heat decide to take on Richardson on top of Amare.

True

[Big P]

how about a trade for ray allen, we need a pure three point shooter.(i hate his a$$ but put a spurs jersey on him and he's cool)

Im sure we could easily come up with the 18 mil in contracts it would take.

[DPG21920]

Besides TT, I am lacking imagination on what the Spurs could be trying to do if they still think they can win now.

But maybe shopping Dice + RJ shows you they are giving up on the year. I don't know if they will actually be able to move those guys though.

[vander]

Besides TT, I am lacking imagination on what the Spurs could be trying to do if they still think they can win now.

But maybe shopping Dice + RJ shows you they are giving up on the year. I don't know if they will actually be able to move those guys though.

if we gave up on this year, we could get a few good young pieces, or picks, there are lots of teams looking for expiring deals and we have a lot of them, most notably Manu's, and he'll probably come back next year anyways.

[murpjf88]

Besides TT, I am lacking imagination on what the Spurs could be trying to do if they still think they can win now.

But maybe shopping Dice + RJ shows you they are giving up on the year. I don't know if they will actually be able to move those guys though.

More like trying to salvage the year.

[HarlemHeat37]

Ya, you guys are kind of exaggerating..it's not like the Spurs are getting enough from McDyess and Jefferson to say that we're "giving up" if they're traded..

[DPG21920]

There is still a chance, albeit a slim one, that with their talent they could turn it up. You trade them for expiring contracts there is no chance.

Is the big 3 still capable of winning a title? Under what circumstances?

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't think we're going to win a title, but I don't think giving up McDyess or RJ would make a significant difference, which is all I'm saying..Jefferson isn't giving us anything that can't be replaced right now..

Hopefully we can get some actual assets for either of them, although it's doubtful..

As for the big 3, no, probably not..we probably need a legit #3 option to turn Manu into a high-end role player..

[DPG21920]

I am asking you though, is the big 3 still capable of winning a title against other healthy teams? If so, under what circumstances? What would need to happen?

[HarlemHeat37]

I would say no, not without acquiring a legit scorer, similar to what Jefferson was supposed to bring..except make sure it's not a fringe borderline all-star..

If they aren't going to give up though..it seems like moving Jefferson won't be a legit option, so acquiring an all-star caliber talent is unlikely, the best option would be to actually try to bring back the Spurs defense, that would probably be the only option that could give us some kind of hope for this season, at least to make it competitive..so try to get some athleticism/quickness on the team, since size doesn't seem like an option anymore..

Jefferson doesn't help the Spurs with his scoring and he hurts us with his defense, so it wouldn't make a difference if the Spurs actually want to build a top defensive team IMO..

If the FO wants to reload and decides to change shit up and play the younger players, I won't be disappointed at all..

[DPG21920]

So no more titles with Duncan?

[HarlemHeat37]

Not this year..next year is probably the last chance and moving Jefferson's expiring would probably be the only way to make it happen IMO..

[DPG21920]

I still don't see how it happens even if you do that. If you move RJ and sign Manu (estimating 10M), that leaves you at 51M in payroll with 7 players. That gives you the MLE to spend. Assume that goes to Tiago. Is that a title team?

[8FOR!3]

The only trades that I have heard about that are realistic that I would feel are worth going for are for Anthony Randolph/Corey Maggette and Tyrus Thomas.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm assuming they'll go in the luxury tax one more time, and there's no way I would sign Manu to a 10 mil a year deal..

[DPG21920]

Well even assume 8 million for Manu. That is 49M with 7 players. You then sign Tiago to the equivalent of the MLE or lets say 5M. That is 54M with 8 players:

Duncan
Splitter
Dice
Manu
TP
Hill
Blair
Malik

That does not leave you with enough money to go into the luxury tax unless you trade. Thing is, they won't have any tradeable assets to get them to that point. Or at least I can't see how.

[CGD]

I'm luke warm on the TT idea and would prefer Haslem's ruggedness. If the Spurs do end up doing a trade, I expect something minor at this point mainly to accommodate RMJ. I would be OK with something like Mase for Sam Young (Memphis)/Doren Wright (Miami) plus filler to make the numbers match.

[Mel_13]

Well even assume 8 million for Manu. That is 49M with 7 players. You then sign Tiago to the equivalent of the MLE or lets say 5M. That is 54M with 8 players:

Duncan
Splitter
Dice
Manu
TP
Hill
Blair
Malik

That does not leave you with enough money to go into the luxury tax unless you trade. Thing is, they won't have any tradeable assets to get them to that point. Or at least I can't see how.

How did you make RJ's salary disappear? I suppose that at some point you could trade him, but 12-15M in contracts are coming back.

[ElNono]

People forget that TP can be that legit scorer. He's just has been really hobbled, but I don't see why he couldn't play just like last season if he rests over the summer. I think the missing piece we should land for RJ would be more of a legitimate perimeter defender (a guy like Battier). If Splitter turns out to be halfway decent and is willing to come over, and we can resign Manu somehow, I think we have a chance.

[DPG21920]

How did you make RJ's salary disappear? I suppose that at some point you could trade him, but 12-15M in contracts are coming back.

We were assuming he was traded for expirings, best case scenario type deal. Even then, Spurs are in a tough spot next year. If they get some good young pieces (which I don't see why they would), it might help, but not for next year.

[Mel_13]

We were assuming he was traded for expirings, best case scenario type deal. Even then, Spurs are in a tough spot next year. If they get some good young pieces (which I don't see why they would), it might help, but not for next year.

OK, but then you're kinda in fantasy world. No way anyone takes on RJ for expiring contracts. It would be hard to find a partner even by sweetening the deal with Hill, Blair, and every draft pick we could legally trade under the CBA.

Simple fact is that the RJ trade represented a gigantic all-in bet that, if successful, would keep the championship-contending window open for 09-10 and 10-11. I appreciate ownership's willingness to add 40-50M in total payroll expenses for these two years above what they would have been had the Spurs stayed under the luxury tax.

As it stands now, that all-in bet appears to be a loser. The game is not quite over, but the only realistic chance of it paying off is if RJ begins to perform up to expectations. If that doesn't happen, then they lost the bet. Losing an all-in bet means you lost the game.

Some are calling for the Spurs to double-up on the bet by trading RJ for a, hopefully, better player on an even longer, uglier contract. I don't think that will happen, but I never believed that they would go so far over the luxury tax in the first place.

Just my 2 cents.

[HarlemHeat37]

I didn't mean trading RJ for expirings, I meant trading him for a better player on a worse contract, like you said at the end of your post..although I agree it's unrealistic..

I think it's tough to say, because I believe other teams would be willing to dump some of their overpaid players for a package for RJ's contract in the Summer, but I don't think the Spurs ownership would be willing to take on a long-term contract with the uncertainty of the CBA..

Let's say the Sixers offer the Spurs a package in the Summer with Iguodala(26 years old, 3 or 4 years left on the contract) or if Indiana offers a package with Granger(27 years old, 3 or 4 years left) for a package with Jefferson's expiring contract..the FO probably wouldn't do it since those guys have long-term contracts and there's the whole uncertainty with the CBA and all, but would you do it?..(I'm using these teams as examples because there have been plenty of reports that their ownership doesn't want to pay them those long contracts, especially Iguodala)..

I would say the option will come down to either making a move to acquire that type of player to take over as one of the big 3 + Manu as a role player, or start rebuilding in the off-season..

[ElNono]

I miss Isiah Thomas... he could have been talked to into absorbing RJ's contract... :depressed

[DPG21920]

That is what I was getting at. I only see two options with regards to winning or rebuilding and signing Manu.

[DPG21920]

OK, but then you're kinda in fantasy world. No way anyone takes on RJ for expiring contracts. It would be hard to find a partner even by sweetening the deal with Hill, Blair, and every draft pick we could legally trade under the CBA.

Simple fact is that the RJ trade represented a gigantic all-in bet that, if successful, would keep the championship-contending window open for 09-10 and 10-11. I appreciate ownership's willingness to add 40-50M in total payroll expenses for these two years above what they would have been had the Spurs stayed under the luxury tax.

As it stands now, that all-in bet appears to be a loser. The game is not quite over, but the only realistic chance of it paying off is if RJ begins to perform up to expectations. If that doesn't happen, then they lost the bet. Losing an all-in bet means you lost the game.

Some are calling for the Spurs to double-up on the bet by trading RJ for a, hopefully, better player on an even longer, uglier contract. I don't think that will happen, but I never believed that they would go so far over the luxury tax in the first place.

Just my 2 cents.

I agree with you and was just posing a hypothetical to someone else to make a point. The point is, the Spurs are caught between a rock and hard place and there is no easy fix to make them a contender or rebuild quickly.

[Mel_13]

I agree with you and was just posing a hypothetical to someone else to make a point. The point is, the Spurs are caught between a rock and hard place and there is no easy fix to make them a contender or rebuild quickly.

Yep

[jesterbobman]

Based on RealGM, The Cavs are trying to get the Warriors 1st round pick off of them for taking on Maggette. If that's on the table, I imagine a pupu platter expirings could get it done(As the Cavs will be wanting the Warriors to waive Z). Trade McDyess in a 3 team deal, with an expiring going to Knicks or Thunder and Collision&pick/Jeffries&Hill(Plus pick) coming here(With parts to make up the difference-Fin's contract?)

Jeffries/Hill/Ratliff
Duncan/Blair/Jeffries
Maggette/RJ
Hill/Manu/Bogans
Parker/Hill

Probably not a contender

Add Splitter, picks 5 and 22 and the fact that all but TD, Maggette Blair and Hills(G&J)+possibly Manu(if resigned) would be EC's(Jefferson, Jeffries and Parker equaling ~ 36 Million.)

Splitter/Duncan
Duncan/Hill/Blair
Maggette
Manu
Parker/Hill

With The Expiring contracts of Jefferson and Jeffries to act as midseason trade chips, A future pick from The Warriors(Possibly based on the Cavs Warriors rumour) and Knicks(Possibly a 2012 based on TMac) to bolster the team. If those picks are on the table, that could be Turner(keep) or if it's a big, Flip the pick and RJ to get a better player. That team is loaded.

(PS, this will never happen)

[gospursgojas]

Just heard greg simmons say Rj, tony, and mason didn't board the spurs' plane today.

Just thought i'd throw that out there. Sorry if this has been discussed

[EricB]

Of course they didn't. They met the team in Indy. Blair also was not on the plane. A lot of players take this All-Star break as a small vacation.

:lmao

[Mel_13]

Just heard greg simmons say Rj, tony, and mason didn't board the spurs' plane today.

Just thought i'd throw that out there. Sorry if this has been discussed

There's really nothing surprising about that. After an extended break, players usually have the choice to travel on the team plane or travel from the location of their vacation to the next city on the road at their own expense.

Edit: Phila beat me to it.

[EricB]

:lmao @ Greg Simmons

[Blackjack]

Chris Sheridan: Marc Stein has a news story (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4920108) with more on the Knicks-Rockets-Bulls trade situation, to which we'll add this nugget: If Chicago is willing to deal the expiring contracts of Tyrus Thomas, Brad Miller and Jerome James for McGrady and Brian Cook, it would shave $2.75 off the Rockets' payroll and move them just barely below the luxury tax line. Here is how that deal looks in the ESPN NBA Trade Machine.
(http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygo97vd)

[vander]

Just heard greg simmons say Rj, tony, and mason didn't board the spurs' plane today.

Just thought i'd throw that out there. Sorry if this has been discussed

"A man can dream, though... a man can dream"

seriously, I'm ready to rip the band-aid off in one painfull stroke

the future of the Spurs does not include anyone on the roster except Hill, Blair, and TD for however long he wants to keep playing. trade them all for youth, potential, and picks

[Blackjack]

Bulls were gathering information on Tracy McGrady late Tuesday that suggested they were alive in the bidding with NY, a league source said.

[EricB]

F'ing Rockets...

[Ice009]

F'ing Rockets...

I am not really liking the Rockets ;).

[AFBlue]

F'ing Rockets...

Story says the Rockets are leaning toward taking the Knicks offer over the Bulls offer, but that they'd likely decide tomorrow.

I'm at a point where TT to the Spurs makes too much sense and has all the inevitability of a deal that SHOULD happen...which means it likely won't for whatever reason.

[EricB]

Story says the Rockets are leaning toward taking the Knicks offer over the Bulls offer, but that they'd likely decide tomorrow.

I'm at a point where TT to the Spurs makes too much sense and has all the inevitability of a deal that SHOULD happen...which means it likely won't for whatever reason.

I saw three way trade offer and others.


I've warmed alot to the idea of Tyrus Thomas coming...

[Pentagruel]

It seems more likely that T-mac will go to the Kincks thusly TT will still be available.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64758/20100216/t_mac_to_new_york_almost_finalized/

Not too reliable perhaps but it also seems to be the most likely trade from Houston's perspective with all those draft picks.

[SouthTexasRancher]

At this point I seriously doubt the Spurs will be involved with any trade unless it helps them cut some payroll. We won't give up players that other teams would want.....such as Tim, Manu, Tony, Hill & Blair.

[The Truth #6]

The difference between salvaging the season and rebuilding seems nebulous at this point. Not sure we could get any older or slower.

[Blackjack]

Rockets completing deal to send Tracy McGrady to New York (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/rockets-completing-deal-to-send-tracy-mcgrady-to-new-york.php)
By Matt Moore

Our long national ...mild distraction may be over. Chris Mannix is reporting (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/02/16/knicks.mcgrady/index.html) that the the Rockets and Knicks are finalizing a deal that will send Tracy McGrady to the Knicks in return for Jared Jeffries, Larry Hughes, and rookie forward Jordan Hill.

Mannix reports the deal will also include swapping of picks and that the remaining issues pertain to the protection of those picks.

With McGrady the Knicks get a tiny bit more room this summer and get to see if McGrady has anything left in him. Both Jeffries ($6.4 million with early-termination-option) and Hughes ($13.65 million and change) are expiring contracts, but the Knicks also surrender promising rookie Jordan Hill. The Rockets now have yet another talented forward to plug into their system, providing even more moveable assets, Jeffries who is a capable perimeter defender, and, well, the ghost of Larry Hughes.

McGrady finishes his career with the Rockets under a veil of disappointment. Instead of being the savior for the franchise, he was the remaining totem pole of pre-Morey decision making, when superstars were more important than production. We'll have to see what the mad genius does with all the room he's created. The Knicks? Just inching towards a fresh start from their early-decade disasters.

FWIW, Wojarnowski's report is more recent:

Bulls were gathering information on Tracy McGrady late Tuesday that suggested they were alive in the bidding with NY, a league source said.

[spursfan4ever]

I wouldnt doubt the rockets holding out until the last possible minute regarding the T-Mac situation to prevent the spurs trading with the bulls. It's makes so much sense. I would do the same to prevent another team in my conference to make a deal to get better. What really hurt was all these damn rumors coming out to soon.

[jesterbobman]

NY better get something or that's The Curry trade all over again. It's decent for Houston if the Knicks get 2 elite guys(A late pick and Hill for taking on Jeffries), and would be potentially great for the Knickerbockers if they got top talent.
If NY don't and they're Mediocre, it's great for Houston.

[AFBlue]

POSTED: Feb. 17 -- 1:04 a.m. ET



Robinson
Chris Sheridan: There are reports in the New York Daily News and Boston Herald that the Knicks and Celtics are close to a deal that would send Nate Robinson to Boston. I have confirmed that the teams have renewed discussions, but there is one major thing to keep in mind: Robinson is what's known as a base-year compensation player, which can be a complicating factor. Robinson makes $4 million, but the Knicks can take back a maximum of only $2.02 million in returning salary.

Just an educated guess, but if Boston was willing to trade a No. 1 pick for Nate, it'd blunt the pain of New York surrendering a first-rounder or two to the Rockets in a McGrady deal. On a related note, three plugged-in sources indicated the Knicks seemed eager to get their business done Wednesday rather than wait until the 11th hour Thursday afternoon.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-2010

Unrelated to Spurs' speculation, but something new that I thought was postable.

[AFBlue]

Also some crap on that page about more non-action and speculation with regard to the Cavs.

[Blackjack]

Chris Broussard: Sources with direct knowledge of negotiations between the Cavaliers and Wizards deny a report that the Cavs have made an offer (Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Jamario Moon, first-round pick) for Antawn Jamison.

The clubs have had discussions, but no offer is on the table, according to the sources.

Cleveland is still waiting for Phoenix to give a verdict on its offer of Ilgauskas, J.J. Hickson and a first-round pick for Amare Stoudemire. But the Cavs' interest in Jamison is real. Cleveland is very excited about Hickson's development and if they could obtain Jamison without giving up Hickson, they may consider taking that deal over the Stoudemire deal.

The Cavs have also had talks with Indiana about Troy Murphy, as well as Golden State about Corey Maggette.

Phoenix has been shopping Cleveland's offer around the league, basically asking clubs if they can top it.

Miami is trying, and Charlotte also tried to get in the discussions. But since the Bobcats don't have any expiring contracts, they have nothing of interest to the Suns. Sources say Stoudemire would not be interested in re-signing with Charlotte anyway.

There has been speculation that the Cavs are not truly interested in Stoudemire because they have yet to contact his agent, Happy Walters, about whether Stoudemire would sign a long-term deal with Cleveland.

But sources close to the situation say Stoudemire would be of value to the Cavaliers regardless of his feelings about a long-term contract. If things go well and Cleveland wins a title, he'll likely want to re-sign, and if he doesn't want to re-sign, the Cavs will be able to use him in a sign-and-trade deal.

Milwaukee, loaded with expiring contracts, is one of the more active teams and is expected to make a deal before the Thursday deadline. The Bucks have interest in Indiana's Troy Murphy, but the Pacers' asking price is too steep.

Denver, in search of a big man, contacted the Bucks about Kurt Thomas and Hakim Warrick. But talks didn't go far after the Nuggets refused to offer any of their rotation players.


Chris Sheridan: There are reports in the New York Daily News and Boston Herald that the Knicks and Celtics are close to a deal that would send Nate Robinson to Boston. I have confirmed that the teams have renewed discussions, but there is one major thing to keep in mind: Robinson is what's known as a base-year compensation player, which can be a complicating factor. Robinson makes $4 million, but the Knicks can take back a maximum of only $2.02 million in returning salary.

Just an educated guess, but if Boston was willing to trade a No. 1 pick for Nate, it'd blunt the pain of New York surrendering a first-rounder or two to the Rockets in a McGrady deal. On a related note, three plugged-in sources indicated the Knicks seemed eager to get their business done Wednesday rather than wait until the 11th hour Thursday afternoon.

[Obstructed_View]

Hey, maybe I figured out why RJ's been playing so much 4...

Bucks Want Power Forward
Feb 17, 2010 1:20 AM EST

The Bucks are interested in acquiring a power forward, according to multiple sources.

Milwaukee has expressed willingness to take on players with contracts that run through next season.

One option for the Bucks is Troy Murphy, according to sources.

The Bucks are willing to take on salary for 2010.



Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap/#ixzz0flx2CQEi

[spursfan4ever]

It must suck to be a GM when your hands are tied and waiting for some type of salvation. Its like playing chess and waiting for your oponents next move before you can decide on your next line of attack.

[DesignatedT]

if mcgrady ends up in new york chicago is still going to want to package thomas with hinrich,salmons,deng or someone else that has years left. only one i would see and hope we would be interested in is that of thomas/salmons for expirings (mason,fin,bonner,ian)

[jesterbobman]

The value of expiring contracts has become really apparent. Houston seems like they're getting Hill, a pick and right to swap picks for taking on a contract that is roughly the size of Salmons, and the Knicks move increases the motivation for the Bulls as they're after the same guys as NY is. At the very least, it increases our bargaining position. If we think of Salmons the same as Jeffries, contract would give us A Talented Youngster, A pick and right to change another.
Ty Thomas is possibly effectively expiring(Bulls can renounce his rights and have no obligation.) It'd take something to get him, in addition to expirings. Probably a Mid to late 1st round pick.

Add those two together , and a Thomas + Salmons package deal would seem to take Expirings and that's it, unless other teams really value Thomas more than Hill.

Salmons is a better player than Jeffries, but Jeffries is a good defender(Though was over rated 5 years ago). The way the NY-Hou deal went down makes me think we wouldn't have to give up a first round pick to get those 2.

[tdunk21]

Hey, maybe I figured out why RJ's been playing so much 4...

Bucks Want Power Forward
Feb 17, 2010 1:20 AM EST

The Bucks are interested in acquiring a power forward, according to multiple sources.

Milwaukee has expressed willingness to take on players with contracts that run through next season.

One option for the Bucks is Troy Murphy, according to sources.

The Bucks are willing to take on salary for 2010.



Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap/#ixzz0flx2CQEi

are the bucks willing to trade hakim warrick??

[Mr. Body]

I don't get New York -- do they think McGrady will stay? Do they think he's much of a player anymore? I guess it's a small risk, generally, but that 2011 draft pick could be very high that they swap.

Jordan Hill? Gee New York, you could have had DeJuan Blair instead...

[jesterbobman]

Hilarious. The Knicks two best players were at PF coming into the season. What do they draft: A pure PF, who they hoped could play centre. I liked Hill coming in as a solid role player, and bigs go high in the draft, but I wish NY had some semblance of planning(I know they wanted Curry, but still, NY is special. In a bad way)

[mountainballer]

well, not that I want to turn this discussion into a Knicks evaluation, but the pick of Hill wasn't without reason.
the cap situation and the 2010 plan made it more or less unavoidable, that they will lose Lee and Harrington.
to pick a PF (who has a lot of Amare in him, at least regarding size, athleticism and quickness) made sense.
of course they should have picked Jennings, who now looks like a steal when Hill looks like the bust of the draft.
but again, to find a D'Antoni system PF as possible (cheap) piece for the 2010-11 roster wasn't a hilarious plan at all.

[Bruno]

My prediction for the trade deadline is Spurs getting Thomas and Salmons for Mason, Finley, Bonner and Mahinmi.

[timvp]

My prediction for the trade deadline is Spurs getting Thomas and Salmons for Mason, Finley, Bonner and Mahinmi.

No pick?

[objective]

I predict Mason to Memphis for some low salary like Lester Hudson, just has to be worth 500k to slide Mason into their cap.

[Bruno]

No pick?

Yes, no pick.
With how desperate teams are trying to dump contracts, I don't think Spurs need to add a pick.

[8FOR!3]

He wouldn't be any better off in Memphis though. It's not like he's going to start over Mike Conley or OJ Mayo. Hell, he'd probably be sharing backup time with Jamaal Tinsley.

[objective]

He wouldn't be any better off in Memphis though. It's not like he's going to start over Mike Conley or OJ Mayo. Hell, he'd probably be sharing backup time with Jamaal Tinsley.

He wouldn't play point.

Memphis wants scoring off the bench, and Mason fits the bill. Plus their 3-point shooting has been terrible as well, according to a MEM radio host I heard on talking about MEM and the deadline on the radio yesterday. Their depth is so thin that their starting 5 has logged just about more minutes than anyone and the thought in MEM is that the heavy time has tired the team out and is part of why they're fading right now.

He basically said that the hot buzz the last 24 hours had been Roger Mason and that the Grizzlies were under the cap enough to just get him (according to ESPN they'd have to send a little back, but still).

[mountainballer]

right. he might not get tons of minutes, but he would get a lot more shots on the Grizzlies 2nd unit. outside Sam Young (who is a rookie and an average scorer at best) their 2nd unit doesn't have a scoring option at all.
question: would they be willing to talk about Sam Young in return? (like: Spurs send Mason and Ian for Young)

[Spurs Brazil]

The Spurs are still intrigued by Thomas. They’ve had talks about moving Antonio McDyess(notes) and the remaining $7.5 million on his contract after this season to open minutes and create flexibility to possibly re-sign Thomas in the summer. Having to also take on Salmons, however, would likely be a deal-breaker. The two teams talked on Tuesday, but Chicago wasn’t in position to make a deal with Thomas until resolving negotiations with the Rockets.

The Spurs’ best chance to move McDyess, should it become necessary, would be to the Denver Nuggets. The Nuggets are interested in another big man for the playoffs, and McDyess has a history in Denver which would make him comfortable with the move.

The Nuggets have given up hope that they can acquire Thomas. Bulls general manager Gar Forman isn’t interested in expiring Denver contracts which won’t help them reach the playoffs, nor a draft pick that’ll likely be late in the draft. The Knicks still have interest with Thomas for Al Harrington(notes) but don’t have a draft pick to appease the Bulls.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtaNka8iAR3hHlhGMfMC7YS8vLYF?slug=ys-mcgradyrockets021710&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[jiggy_55]

The Spurs are still intrigued by Thomas. They’ve had talks about moving Antonio McDyess(notes) and the remaining $7.5 million on his contract after this season to open minutes and create flexibility to possibly re-sign Thomas in the summer. Having to also take on Salmons, however, would likely be a deal-breaker. The two teams talked on Tuesday, but Chicago wasn’t in position to make a deal with Thomas until resolving negotiations with the Rockets.

The Spurs’ best chance to move McDyess, should it become necessary, would be to the Denver Nuggets. The Nuggets are interested in another big man for the playoffs, and McDyess has a history in Denver which would make him comfortable with the move.

The Nuggets have given up hope that they can acquire Thomas. Bulls general manager Gar Forman isn’t interested in expiring Denver contracts which won’t help them reach the playoffs, nor a draft pick that’ll likely be late in the draft. The Knicks still have interest with Thomas for Al Harrington(notes) but don’t have a draft pick to appease the Bulls.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtaNka8iAR3hHlhGMfMC7YS8vLYF?slug=ys-mcgradyrockets021710&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Salmons the deal breaker??? He should be the deal MAKER! Fucking idiotic of the front office.

[objective]

re: MEM and Mason

The guy I heard (Eli Savoie) didn't say anything about the Grizzlies giving up anyone. He did add though that Memphis had 3 first rounders and would be willing give up one of the later ones to get a deal done (Lakers or Denver).

He did bring up Young though to illustrate how shallow they were and how he was their best bench scorer, which isn't good when an inconsistent rookie is filling that role. And Darrell Arthur coming back doesn't help because he's not a scorer.

And he emphasized that whoever they get to fill a scoring role needed to be an expiring contract.

So Mason fits the bill perfectly. The other name he dropped was Chris Douglas-Roberts, who would be a local favorite and has worn out his welcome in NJ, and Ronnie Brewer from a rumor earlier in the year.

[objective]

And the reason MEM want a scoring threat this season so bad is to make the playoffs. The Grizzlies are finally making headway winning back the fans and considering that the Tigers are so down this year, now is the time to gain traction locally.

[mountainballer]

re: MEM and Mason

The guy I heard (Eli Savoie) didn't say anything about the Grizzlies giving up anyone. He did add though that Memphis had 3 first rounders and would be willing give up one of the later ones to get a deal done (Lakers or Denver).

He did bring up Young though to illustrate how shallow they were and how he was their best bench scorer, which isn't good when an inconsistent rookie is filling that role. And Darrell Arthur coming back doesn't help because he's not a scorer.

And he emphasized that whoever they get to fill a scoring role needed to be an expiring contract.

So Mason fits the bill perfectly. The other name he dropped was Chris Douglas-Roberts, who would be a local favorite and has worn out his welcome in NJ, and Ronnie Brewer from a rumor earlier in the year.

if Spurs can get rid of RM via Memphis (even win a pick that way) AND acquire Salmons for Bonner and Fin, this would still be a great move.
(even if it didn't bring in a big). saves about 3 million in taxes and 1 million in salaries.

[Bruno]

If Spurs trade for Salmons and if Salmons doesn't opt out this summer, Spurs will spend $60M on 7 players (Parker, Hill, Salmons, Jefferson, Blair, McDyess and Duncan). If Spurs re-sign Ginobili and Thomas, spend a part of their MLE for Splitter and fill the roster with cheap contract (first round picks and min players), they could end up at $78M-$80M. With a luxury tax at $66M, it makes a lot of money to spend for the owners.

IMO, Spurs should do it:
- The situation could settle it self with Salmons not picking his option, Thomas not being worth being re-signed or Splitter :splitter Spurs again.
- If Spurs had to spend a lot of money next summer, it will mean that Thomas and Ginobili have been great, which means that Spurs were true contenders and in that case, spending money should be less difficult to swallow.
- It's only an one year investment.

It's not my money, but Spurs ownership should make a last relative small financial effort to give Duncan a legit shot at #5.

[benefactor]

Agreed. :tu

The Spurs have already committed two years in tax territory to try to get Duncan one more ring. As far as financial risk goes, Salmons is a fairly safe one.

[Bruno]

If Memphis is ready to do a Mason for Hudson trade, it's very good news for Spurs.

Spurs could do a basic trade to save money for themselves but it won't help them on the court. However, they also could use that edge in a three team trade between Spurs, Memphis and a team in the luxury tax terrotory. If Spurs could offer a significant luxury tax reduction to a team over the threshold, they could get something good.

[Chillen]

A Duncan and Thomas duo would be interesting, Thomas would bring alot of energy into the mix for the Spurs which McDyess isn't providing.

[mountainballer]

If Memphis is ready to do a Mason for Hudson trade, it's very good news for Spurs.

Spurs could do a basic trade to save money for themselves but it won't help them on the court. However, they also could use that edge in a three team trade between Spurs, Memphis and a team in the luxury tax terrotory. If Spurs could offer a significant luxury tax reduction to a team over the threshold, they could get something good.

the Grizzlies cap space will be much courted, I wonder if they won't get some better offers in the next hours. I can see the Wizards jump in and offer Randy Foye for Lester Hudson. Wizards would get under the threshold, so this move would be worth about 7 million.
Memphis would get a somehow similar player like Mason, but much better and with more upside in most aspects of the game.
AND Foye will be a RFA this summer.

[Bruno]

the Grizzlies cap space will be much courted, I wonder if they won't get some better offers in the next hours. I can see the Wizards jump in and offer Randy Foye for Lester Hudson. Wizards would get under the threshold, so this move would be worth about 7 million.
Memphis would get a somehow similar player like Mason, but much better and with more upside in most aspects of the game.
AND Foye will be a RFA this summer.

Mason isn't very good but he fits perfectly what Memphis needs. They need a guard and are one of the worst 3 point shooting team in the league.
It's possible that they get better offers for their cap space but Mason is still a quite good option for them.

[leemajors]

Great posts in this thread. Thanks!

[mountainballer]

Meanwhile, the Miami Heat are still working to put together a package for Stoudemire, although a source familiar with Pat Riley’s most recent offer says it doesn’t include Michael Beasley(notes). Miami failed in its attempt to enlist the Charlotte Bobcats as a partner to take on Udonis Haslem(notes) in a three-team trade.

The Heat could be willing to take on Jason Richardson’s(notes) contract, which has one year worth $14.4 million left after this season, for the chance to land Stoudemire to play alongside Dwyane Wade(notes)
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-tradebuzz021710&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


interesting is the Haslem part. if it's just this 3rd team, Spurs could jump in, take Haslem and send Mason to Miami and Bonner to Phoenix.
there were some reports, that Spurs have inquired about Haslem. so this makes some sense. but likely the Heat are asking for something like a 1st rounder in return.
I'm surprised about the J-Rich part. but maybe Miami thinks that the chance to keep Wade is to bring in talent first. can't see J-Rich fit well alongside Wade though.

[chasky]

Why Not?

http://i46.tinypic.com/fog8ph.jpg

[ginobili fan]

When exactly close the trade deadline ?

[MrFundamental]

Why? :nope

[CGD]

When exactly close the trade deadline ?

Tomorrow at 3pm EST I believe.

[Mel_13]

When exactly close the trade deadline ?

Tomorrow, 2:00 PM San Antonio time

[AFBlue]

When exactly close the trade deadline ?

Tomorrow at Noon, Cali time.

[I. Hustle]

Tomorrow @ 12pm Dubai time

[Mr. Body]

Tomorrow @ 8pm London Time.

[I. Hustle]

Tomorrow @ 11pm in Qatar

[Russ]

High noon (PST or "Laker Time").

[mountainballer]

Tomorrow @ 9pm Vienna Time.

[I. Hustle]

Tomorrow @ 2 in Saskatchewan

[ElNono]

Tomorrow @ 3AM Hanoi time

[I. Hustle]

That's not nice
http://yeschan.org/extensions/InlineImages/image.php?AttachmentID=23

[ginobili fan]

That's not nice
http://yeschan.org/extensions/InlineImages/image.php?AttachmentID=23

wowwwww:wow

[lurker23]

Tomorrow, 1 pm, Salt Lake City time.

[ginobili fan]

So how many hours is left exactly ?

[hater]

27 hours 16 minutes 21 seconds

[ginobili fan]

thanks

[ginobili fan]

I appreciate really

[pad300]

Why Not?

http://i46.tinypic.com/fog8ph.jpg

Because A) the Kings wouldn't and B) if we are going to take on a long term salary burden, we might do quite a bit better with Philly. Iguolda + Dalembert looks doable at the current rate for expirings...

[timvp]

If Spurs trade for Salmons and if Salmons doesn't opt out this summer, Spurs will spend $60M on 7 players (Parker, Hill, Salmons, Jefferson, Blair, McDyess and Duncan). If Spurs re-sign Ginobili and Thomas, spend a part of their MLE for Splitter and fill the roster with cheap contract (first round picks and min players), they could end up at $78M-$80M. With a luxury tax at $66M, it makes a lot of money to spend for the owners.

IMO, Spurs should do it:
- The situation could settle it self with Salmons not picking his option, Thomas not being worth being re-signed or Splitter :splitter Spurs again.
- If Spurs had to spend a lot of money next summer, it will mean that Thomas and Ginobili have been great, which means that Spurs were true contenders and in that case, spending money should be less difficult to swallow.
- It's only an one year investment.

It's not my money, but Spurs ownership should make a last relative small financial effort to give Duncan a legit shot at #5.

Good post.

Baskeball-wise, the Thomas/Salmons trade makes sense. Monetarily is where it's sketchy. If Salmons picks up his option and Thomas is worth re-signing, it almost forces the Spurs' hand in letting go of Ginobili.

It'd be a lot easier to figure out if the Spurs were legit championship contenders. This limbo state confuses everything.

I'll be glad once this trade deadline passes because it's almost impossible to totally justify any move ... or even doing nothing :wakeup

[JR3]

Tomorrow, 1 pm, Salt Lake City time.

I'm with this guy.

[My Fault]

If Spurs trade for Salmons and if Salmons doesn't opt out this summer, Spurs will spend $60M on 7 players (Parker, Hill, Salmons, Jefferson, Blair, McDyess and Duncan). If Spurs re-sign Ginobili and Thomas, spend a part of their MLE for Splitter and fill the roster with cheap contract (first round picks and min players), they could end up at $78M-$80M. With a luxury tax at $66M, it makes a lot of money to spend for the owners.

IMO, Spurs should do it:
- The situation could settle it self with Salmons not picking his option, Thomas not being worth being re-signed or Splitter :splitter Spurs again.
- If Spurs had to spend a lot of money next summer, it will mean that Thomas and Ginobili have been great, which means that Spurs were true contenders and in that case, spending money should be less difficult to swallow.
- It's only an one year investment.

It's not my money, but Spurs ownership should make a last relative small financial effort to give Duncan a legit shot at #5.
At the same time they can find relief in trading Jefferson's huge expiring contract.

[AFBlue]

Posted in another thread, and I know it's not germane to THIS deadline, but I saw this note from ESPN blog...


If the Cavs decide to pull the trigger on the Amare Stoudemire deal instead, look for the Wizards to explore ways of trading Jamison during the summer.


It made me think that the Spurs could flip RJ for Jamison before the start of next season...if he hasn't been dealt already.

That way the Spurs could get some long-term value out of the RJ contract and they wouldn't be hamstrung to keep Thomas (if Spurs traded for him) and overpay if a team decided to bid high.

[lurker23]

I know there's absolutely zero new news here, but I figured I'd post it, since it's the newest update we've had (about 9:50 am CST, Wednesday)

ChrisMannixSI

Shopping Jefferson (no interest), McDyess (a little interest), Mason (lots of interest) RT @spursincharge What's the latest with the Spurs?

[Spursmania]

I'd be really surprised if Mason doesn't get shipped out.

[AFBlue]

I'd be really surprised if Mason doesn't get shipped out.

Hopefully for players and not cap space!

[EricB]

Im honestly suprised to not see Bonner's name brought up.

He was shopped more last year than this year....

[CGD]

Good post.

Baskeball-wise, the Thomas/Salmons trade makes sense. Monetarily is where it's sketchy. If Salmons picks up his option and Thomas is worth re-signing, it almost forces the Spurs' hand in letting go of Ginobili.

It'd be a lot easier to figure out if the Spurs were legit championship contenders. This limbo state confuses everything.

I'll be glad once this trade deadline passes because it's almost impossible to totally justify any move ... or even doing nothing :wakeup

Assuming no trade and Fin, Bonner, and RMJ simply expire this summer, I would not be the least surprised if next year we fill out our roster with some of our non-Splitter overseas assets.

In addition to Hairston, they may provide the the cheapest way to round out our already bloated roster. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Ian is brought back with a contract similar to Hairston's current one. IMO Ian provides value at the 800K range.

[EricB]

Someone will be stupid enough to give Mahinmi more than that.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

This will be a typical trade deadline. So many rumours, so much chat, so much hope, but in the end nothing really happens :lol

I am pretty sure the Nuggets will stand pat, unless they can pry a big man away for next to nothing :lol

[duncan228]

Someone get me a cyber Mike's hard lemonade dammit!

One to share. :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Mikes_Hard_Lemonade_Bottle._330ml_Canada_Old7_and_ new_5percent_alc_Liquor3620.jpg/180px-Mikes_Hard_Lemonade_Bottle._330ml_Canada_Old7_and_ new_5percent_alc_Liquor3620.jpg

[timvp]

The Rockets are asking for a heck of a lot to basically eat Jared Jeffries' contract.

If the Spurs want to cull the herd while adding a lottery talent, something like Jeffries, Jordan Hill and cash for RMJ, Bonner and Finley could work.

[jiggy_55]

Steve Kyler of Hoopsworld:

"Hearing San Antonio is being aggressive… willing to move Roger Mason Jr., Antonio McDyess and Richard Jefferson for the right parts. Finding limited interest, but League sources say they expect the Spurs to trigger at least one deal and could get involved with some of the deals being kicked around if a nice spare piece can fall their way…"

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=15328

[tdunk21]

what would it take to get these guys via trade with expirings

al jefferson
hakim warrick
tyrus thomas/salmons
david west
amare
beasley
jamison

[Kuestmaster]

I'm thinking right now of a trade that I think is reasonable and maybe could happen if the FO try it.
It's this:

Spurs acquire:
Jax
Salmons
Ty Thomas

Chicago acquire
Dick Jefferson
Felton
Flip Murray

Charlotte acquire
Kirk Hinrich
Mason
Bonner

maybe the hardest part would be to convince the cats, but chicago is shopping all those players

[EricB]

I'm thinking right now of a trade that I think is reasonable and maybe could happen if the FO try it.
It's this:

Spurs acquire:
Jax
Salmons
Ty Thomas

Chicago acquire
Dick Jefferson
Felton
Flip Murray

Charlotte acquire
Kirk Hinrich
Mason
Bonner

maybe the hardest part would be to convince the cats, but chicago is shopping all those players


Good lord why would Charlotte do that?

[EricB]

Steve Kyler of Hoopsworld:

"Hearing San Antonio is being aggressive… willing to move Roger Mason Jr., Antonio McDyess and Richard Jefferson for the right parts. Finding limited interest, but League sources say they expect the Spurs to trigger at least one deal and could get involved with some of the deals being kicked around if a nice spare piece can fall their way…"

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=15328

:rolleyes

[jiggy_55]

Wojnarowski of Yahoo just now:

"Around the NBA, some team officials are privately wondering: After listening to San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich disparage them over Pau Gasol’s trade to the Los Angeles Lakers, would the Memphis Grizzlies be hesitant on making a deal with the Spurs?

After all, veteran shooter Roger Mason is available in San Antonio and Memphis needs some scoring off its bench. Yes, sources say, the Grizzlies do have an interest with Mason and have the cap space to absorb much of his $3.7 million salary. But a league source says Grizzlies general manager Chris Wallace still needs the OK from owner Michael Heisley to take on the contract.


Mason has fallen out of the Spurs’ rotation and the organization is working with his agent, Mark Bartelstein, to find a trade."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArXq8FjCKA3CdO76uxUd_9W8vLYF?slug=ys-tradebuzz021710&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Pistons < Spurs]

Trades That Should Be Made

… but GMs won’t do, of course.
(http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/02/six-trades-that-should-be-made/)


Ginobili-Jefferson-Hill/Hinrich-Thomas/John Salmons trade

The Specifics: The Bulls get George Hill, Richard Jefferson, Manu Ginobili and Ryan Gomes; the Spurs get Tyrus Thomas, Kirk Hinrich, Jerome James and Damien Wilkins; and the Timberwolves get John Salmons.

Why It Works:

• For the Bulls: One major thing is that Chicago would finally be able to stop from having Thomas to repeatedly jerk around and he them. Getting Hill to pair as a combo guard with Derrick Rose would be a threatening backcourt of speed and strength, while Manu would give Chicago another threat to score and distribute for a short amount with his expiring contract, giving the Bulls more flexibility in the summer and a good look at whether Manu can do damage for them in seasons to come. R.J. could get the chance to blossom with a less systematic offense and provide the Bulls the slashing scorer that they’ve thought Luol Deng would be become. Ryan Gomes would be comp for Deng and James Johnson to step on the perimeter and low-post.

• For the Spurs: San Antonio gets much-needed shot-blocking and athleticism from Thomas, but Thomas gets a franchise mature enough to grow him up as a still-young 23-year-old, next to the immortal Tim Duncan; paired with DeJuan Blair, the duo could be an elite rebounding frontcourt. Getting Hinrich would give San Antone a reliable backcourt threat with Tony Parker or behind him. James would likely just sit on the bench, as the Spurs would wait for his contract to expire, and Wilkins could provide some good minutes as a defender and spot-up shooter.

• For the T’wolves: Minnesota would be able to get an adequate rotation player and scorer in Salmons, while putting pressure on some of the team’s young wings to develop and flourish as well. Letting go of Ryan Gomes would relieve some of the pressure in the stacked frontcourt as well.

[EricB]

Wheres the puke icon for Damien Wilkens.....

[Kuestmaster]

Good lord why would Charlotte do that?

to help us :lol

larry brown and pop are friends, they are not going to win it all this year, so they help us now and maybe we can return the favor in the near future

[StoneBuddha]

Yuck, that's terrible. The Spurs got worse in almost every position. RJ is sucking it up but not that much.

[Bartleby]

Wheres the puke icon for Damien Wilkens.....

Where's the puke icon for that entire trade.

[in2deep]

^ horrible trade idea

[lurker23]

The trade suggestions from fans and bloggers alike keep getting worse and worse. Must take a shot and keep telling myself, "Less than 24 hours left..."

[EricB]

to help us :lol

larry brown and pop are friends, they are not going to win it all this year, so they help us now and maybe we can return the favor in the near future

?

They are trying to make the playoffs.

Charlotte has zero reason to help the Spurs.

Please, use your noggin.

[I. Hustle]

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/?p=7874

[Thompson]

The Grizzlies aren't winning it all this year, and they're getting one year closer to having to pay Gasol big money to keep him. By the time they build their team up to contention status, they'll be forced to start paying their expiring rookie deal players big money.

I wonder what it would take to pry Gasol away from them, in addition to Splitter. We need a good center now, they need one later. The fact that Gasol is really proving himself and Splitter is unproven (in the NBA) might make a trade more difficult. I wonder if Mason, Ian and Splitter's rights would be enough? Maybe a 1st rounder and cash also.

This trade would also help the Grizzlies tank to get a better pick this year.

[lebomb]

That trade sucks so much ass its incredible.............RJ, Manu and Hill? WTF????

[tdunk21]

:ban:

ban that writer for that article

[EricB]

Drew Gooden's expiring deal, WTF?

[lebomb]

Why dont we just toss in Timmy for heavens sake............ :rolleyes

[ElNono]

Jerome James
:vomit:

[I. Hustle]

The Grizzlies aren't winning it all this year, and they're getting one year closer to having to pay Gasol big money to keep him. By the time they build their team up to contention status, they'll be forced to start paying their expiring rookie deal players big money.

I wonder what it would take to pry Gasol away from them, in addition to Splitter. We need a good center now, they need one later. The fact that Gasol is really proving himself and Splitter is unproven (in the NBA) might make a trade more difficult. I wonder if Mason, Ian and Splitter's rights would be enough? Maybe a 1st rounder and cash also.

This trade would also help the Grizzlies tank to get a better pick this year.

Will you pray with me son? I have already begun to fast.

[crc21209]

Jerome James
:vomit:

Jerome James after the Sonics beat the Spurs in Game 3 or 4 of the 05' 2nd Round: "I don't give em' no respect! None!" :lol

[carib]

lets be real nothing is going down

[timvp]

Ginobili-Jefferson-Hill/Hinrich-Thomas/John Salmons trade

The Specifics: The Bulls get George Hill, Richard Jefferson, Manu Ginobili and Ryan Gomes; the Spurs get Tyrus Thomas, Kirk Hinrich, Jerome James and Damien Wilkins; and the Timberwolves get John Salmons.

Why It Works:

• For the Bulls: One major thing is that Chicago would finally be able to stop from having Thomas to repeatedly jerk around and he them. Getting Hill to pair as a combo guard with Derrick Rose would be a threatening backcourt of speed and strength, while Manu would give Chicago another threat to score and distribute for a short amount with his expiring contract, giving the Bulls more flexibility in the summer and a good look at whether Manu can do damage for them in seasons to come. R.J. could get the chance to blossom with a less systematic offense and provide the Bulls the slashing scorer that they’ve thought Luol Deng would be become. Ryan Gomes would be comp for Deng and James Johnson to step on the perimeter and low-post.

• For the Spurs: San Antonio gets much-needed shot-blocking and athleticism from Thomas, but Thomas gets a franchise mature enough to grow him up as a still-young 23-year-old, next to the immortal Tim Duncan; paired with DeJuan Blair, the duo could be an elite rebounding frontcourt. Getting Hinrich would give San Antone a reliable backcourt threat with Tony Parker or behind him. James would likely just sit on the bench, as the Spurs would wait for his contract to expire, and Wilkins could provide some good minutes as a defender and spot-up shooter.

• For the T’wolves: Minnesota would be able to get an adequate rotation player and scorer in Salmons, while putting pressure on some of the team’s young wings to develop and flourish as well. Letting go of Ryan Gomes would relieve some of the pressure in the stacked frontcourt as well.

Wow. That makes some of these horrible trade ideas on ST look genius.

[DBMethos]

Yikes.

[Pistons < Spurs]

WojYahooNBA

The NBA has fined an unspecified team for announcing a trade before its official completion and has warned the others via memo.

[Bruno]

Wojnarowski of Yahoo just now:

"Around the NBA, some team officials are privately wondering: After listening to San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich disparage them over Pau Gasol’s trade to the Los Angeles Lakers, would the Memphis Grizzlies be hesitant on making a deal with the Spurs?

After all, veteran shooter Roger Mason is available in San Antonio and Memphis needs some scoring off its bench. Yes, sources say, the Grizzlies do have an interest with Mason and have the cap space to absorb much of his $3.7 million salary. But a league source says Grizzlies general manager Chris Wallace still needs the OK from owner Michael Heisley to take on the contract.


Mason has fallen out of the Spurs’ rotation and the organization is working with his agent, Mark Bartelstein, to find a trade."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArXq8FjCKA3CdO76uxUd_9W8vLYF?slug=ys-tradebuzz021710&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Saving $4M by dumping Mason could be too interesting for Spurs to say no.

If it's the only move Spurs do, they are quite giving up on this season. Now, Spurs could also do after that a Bonner+Mahinmi+1st round pick for Thomas. It would be way more financially sound than taking Salmons contract.

[timvp]

WojYahooNBA

The NBA has fined an unspecified team for announcing a trade before its official completion and has warned the others via memo.

Sounds like Cuban fined again.

[ace3g]

The NBA has fined an unspecified team for announcing a trade before its official completion and has warned the others via memo.

lol, way to go Kings announcer

[CGD]

Wow. That makes some of these horrible trade ideas on ST look genius.

Agreed. Dude must be a Bulls fan proposing a trade THAT lopsided.

Thankfully Spurs fans would never propose such lopsided crap trades...

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Someone will be stupid enough to give Mahinmi more than that.

Any team that isn't stupid will offer Mahinmi more than that. If you need a big, that kind of money is a cheap gamble.

[timvp]

Wojnarowski of Yahoo just now:

"Around the NBA, some team officials are privately wondering: After listening to San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich disparage them over Pau Gasol’s trade to the Los Angeles Lakers, would the Memphis Grizzlies be hesitant on making a deal with the Spurs?

After all, veteran shooter Roger Mason is available in San Antonio and Memphis needs some scoring off its bench. Yes, sources say, the Grizzlies do have an interest with Mason and have the cap space to absorb much of his $3.7 million salary. But a league source says Grizzlies general manager Chris Wallace still needs the OK from owner Michael Heisley to take on the contract.


Mason has fallen out of the Spurs’ rotation and the organization is working with his agent, Mark Bartelstein, to find a trade."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArXq8FjCKA3CdO76uxUd_9W8vLYF?slug=ys-tradebuzz021710&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Yeah, some of us worried about this scenario back when Pop was bashing Memphis. While he was right, it was a bad business move to call out another team's FO.

I'd be fine with RMJ for nothing. Though that better not be the only trade the Spurs do. It could look like a white flag to the fans and maybe even the team.

[timvp]

lol, way to go Kings announcer

:lol

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Saving $4M by dumping Mason could be too interesting for Spurs to say no.

If it's the only move Spurs do, they are quite giving up on this season. Now, Spurs could also do after that a Bonner+Mahinmi+1st round pick for Thomas. It would be way more financially sound than taking Salmons contract.

So if they dump him do they get a TE? Can they turn around and use it? Sorry for constantly having to ask you about the salary rules, but I just don't do well with the financial stuff.

[MrFundamental]

Wojnarowski of Yahoo just now:

"Around the NBA, some team officials are privately wondering: After listening to San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich disparage them over Pau Gasol’s trade to the Los Angeles Lakers, would the Memphis Grizzlies be hesitant on making a deal with the Spurs?

After all, veteran shooter Roger Mason is available in San Antonio and Memphis needs some scoring off its bench. Yes, sources say, the Grizzlies do have an interest with Mason and have the cap space to absorb much of his $3.7 million salary. But a league source says Grizzlies general manager Chris Wallace still needs the OK from owner Michael Heisley to take on the contract.


Mason has fallen out of the Spurs’ rotation and the organization is working with his agent, Mark Bartelstein, to find a trade."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArXq8FjCKA3CdO76uxUd_9W8vLYF?slug=ys-tradebuzz021710&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

To make Pops feel better about Memphis's trade abilities:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg78g9c

[CGD]

Yeah, some of us worried about this scenario back when Pop was bashing Memphis. While he was right, it was a bad business move to call out another team's FO.

I'd be fine with RMJ for nothing. Though that better not be the only trade the Spurs do. It could look like a white flag to the fans and maybe even the team.

Nah, if we do nothing else it looks like we were trying to do right by a player, all while getting something fair in return.

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Yeah, some of us worried about this scenario back when Pop was bashing Memphis. While he was right, it was a bad business move to call out another team's FO.

Yeah that started looking worse after the sale of the team fell through. It's possible Pop's comments could be perceived as having something to do with that. I might hold a grudge if another team's coach cost me 300 million dollars.

[8FOR!3]

Wait, who is Memphis willing to give up for Roger Mason? Unless it involves DeMarre Carroll, Mike Conley, Marc Gasol, Rudy Gay, OJ Mayo, Zach Randolph, Hasheem Thabeet, or Sam Young, I don't want any part of that trade.

[BacktoBasics]

You can say whatever you want about what pop said but the reality is that any GM worth half a shit would be intelligent enough to make a move if it helps his team regardless of whether or not they like Pop.

[Bruno]

So if they dump him do they get a TE? Can they turn around and use it? Sorry for constantly having to ask you about the salary rules, but I just don't do well with the financial stuff.

They would get a big trade exception ($3.8M). They can use it to get a player with a salary lower than $3.9M. The mason to Memphis could also be a part of a bigger trade .

Now, Spurs will likely keep the TE if they do this trade because they will save a lot of money by doing it.

[objective]

Yeah, some of us worried about this scenario back when Pop was bashing Memphis. While he was right, it was a bad business move to call out another team's FO.

I'd be fine with RMJ for nothing. Though that better not be the only trade the Spurs do. It could look like a white flag to the fans and maybe even the team.

I'd be worried if it was the Spurs trying to get something for nothing from MEM like the Lakers . . . but in this case it's the opposite. MEM gets to look like they're the ones who stole from the Spurs after Mason goes off for 12-15 a game the remainder of the season in a bid for a new contract.

[in2deep]

79 pages and not 1 good trade option.

Stop ppl. please stop. There will be NO TRADE. not because there shouldn't be one, but because there isn't one.

[timvp]

79 pages and not 1 good trade option.

Stop ppl. please stop. There will be NO TRADE. not because there shouldn't be one, but because there isn't one.

Should we make up a trade that a "friend" told us like you did?

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They would get a big trade exception ($3.8M). They can use it to get a player with a salary lower than $3.9M. The mason to Memphis could also be a part of a bigger trade .

Now, Spurs will likely keep the TE if they do this trade because they will save a lot of money by doing it.

Dorell Wright and a million bucks in the bank would be a nice alternative to Mason sitting on the bench.

[in2deep]

Should we make up a trade that a "friend" told us like you did?

sure. you can use my thread :)

[8FOR!3]

79 pages and not 1 good trade option.

Stop ppl. please stop. There will be NO TRADE. not because there shouldn't be one, but because there isn't one.

Richard Jefferson for LeBron James. There's a damn good trade option for us.

Not saying that the staff in Cleveland are ra-tards and will go for it, but it is a good trade option. So ha. :king

[Mel_13]

They would get a big trade exception ($3.8M). They can use it to get a player with a salary lower than $3.9M. The mason to Memphis could also be a part of a bigger trade .

Now, Spurs will likely keep the TE if they do this trade because they will save a lot of money by doing it.

Bruno,

Can Memphis absorb Mason's contract without going over the salary cap? If not, how much salary has to come back to the Spurs to make this work under the CBA?

thanks

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Bruno,

Can Memphis absorb Mason's contract without going over the salary cap? If not, how much salary has to come back to the Spurs to make this work under the CBA?

thanks

I tried it and it told me they couldn't absorb his whole contract. They have a couple of guys that don't make much and could be bought out. Jamaal "better than Tony Parker" Tinsley is one of them.