The Trayvon Martin Case

[boutons_deux]

Legalized by self defense in all 50 states.

You sure are a dumb, stubborn mothefucker.

yes, so TM was fully legal in defending himself against a racist, armed (safety removed from the gun) stalker.

your glee and gloating over a innocent dead nigga is wonderful to behold.

[CosmicCowboy]

yes, so TM was fully legal in defending himself against a racist, armed (safety removed from the gun) stalker.

your glee and gloating over a innocent dead nigga is wonderful to behold.

It's not gloating or glee fuckhead. I am arguing the law and you are just spouting bullshit.

The Supreme court defined justifiable self defense in 1877. It is part of all 50 states charging instructions and why Zimmerman was legally found not guilty.


Runyan v. State (1877) 57 Ind. 80, 20 Am.Rep. 52, is one of the earliest cases to strongly support and establish in U.S. law an individual's right to initiate self-defense actions up to and including the justifiable use of lethal force against an aggressor.
In Runyan, the court stated "When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justiciable."

BTW, if Trayvon is charged with assault he could attempt to invoke stand your ground at his trial.

Martins right (or not) to SYG had nothing to do with Zimmermans self defense case.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

yes, so TM was fully legal in defending himself against a racist, armed (safety removed from the gun) stalker.

your glee and gloating over a innocent dead nigga is wonderful to behold.


I don't have (much of) a dick but I HAVE hard DICK SURROGATE!



How do you remove a safety from a gun?

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol I just noticed that "safety removed from gun" bullshit.

Got DAMN you make a lot of shit up.

[boutons_deux]

George Zimmerman Is Not Unique

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/michaeldaviddunn-screen.jpg

The rain of bullets took the life of Jordan Davis, 18. It should seem like straightforward murder, but as the Zimmerman trial shows (especially the comments of juror B37 (http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/07/17/why_did_an_all_female_jury_let_george_zimmerman_go _free_white_women_are.html)), in Florida, all you have to do to get a jury to let you walk away from murder is to say you were scared by the scary black teenager who, unlike you, didn’t have a gun. Dunn’s defense attorney will no doubt run a “black people are scary, amirite?!” defense, and I worry now, after the Zimmerman case, that it’s totally going to work.

As Paul Solotaroff notes (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/after-trayvon-will-there-be-justice-for-floridas-other-stand-your-ground-victim-20130717), Florida and the prominent Zimmerman case has created for aggrieved, racist white people “a playbook and enormous stopping power to use at their discretion.” And this should scare us, because:
But most have no discretion, as they’ve proven at the polls, where they vote en masse for men who ship jobs offshore and give the banks carte blanche to take their homes. What they have, instead, is a well-thumbed sense of grievance, which has cost two blameless teens their lives. There will be other horrors, bet the house on it. The gun laws in this country all but beg them.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/19/george-zimmerman-is-not-unique/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[boutons_deux]

The Kel-Tec PF-9, (1+ / 0-)like many other semi-automatic pistols, does not have a manual safety; only an internal safety that prevents the gun from being fired unless the trigger is pulled.

So, the question of whether the safety was on is nonsensical. The internal safety (the only safety) is always on.

The gun is double-action only, so it does not need to be cocked once a round has been chambered; squeezing the trigger actuates the hammer to fire the round.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/02/1079894/-George-Zimmerman-Unidentified-Officer-With-the-Saftey-Off#

[CosmicCowboy]

The Kel-Tec PF-9, (1+ / 0-)like many other semi-automatic pistols, does not have a manual safety; only an internal safety that prevents the gun from being fired unless the trigger is pulled.

So, the question of whether the safety was on is nonsensical. The internal safety (the only safety) is always on.

The gun is double-action only, so it does not need to be cocked once a round has been chambered; squeezing the trigger actuates the hammer to fire the round.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/02/1079894/-George-Zimmerman-Unidentified-Officer-With-the-Saftey-Off#




That is technically incorrect. The gun is not cocked in the holster. The significantly stronger trigger pull required on the first shot of a double action cocks the trigger and then releases it when the trigger breaks.

[Trill Clinton]

George Zimmerman Is Not Unique

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/michaeldaviddunn-screen.jpg

The rain of bullets took the life of Jordan Davis, 18. It should seem like straightforward murder, but as the Zimmerman trial shows (especially the comments of juror B37 (http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/07/17/why_did_an_all_female_jury_let_george_zimmerman_go _free_white_women_are.html)), in Florida, all you have to do to get a jury to let you walk away from murder is to say you were scared by the scary black teenager who, unlike you, didn’t have a gun. Dunn’s defense attorney will no doubt run a “black people are scary, amirite?!” defense, and I worry now, after the Zimmerman case, that it’s totally going to work.

As Paul Solotaroff notes (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/after-trayvon-will-there-be-justice-for-floridas-other-stand-your-ground-victim-20130717), Florida and the prominent Zimmerman case has created for aggrieved, racist white people “a playbook and enormous stopping power to use at their discretion.” And this should scare us, because:
But most have no discretion, as they’ve proven at the polls, where they vote en masse for men who ship jobs offshore and give the banks carte blanche to take their homes. What they have, instead, is a well-thumbed sense of grievance, which has cost two blameless teens their lives. There will be other horrors, bet the house on it. The gun laws in this country all but beg them.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/19/george-zimmerman-is-not-unique/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29






yea i'm already preparing to read statements about how thuggish, ghetto, dumb and what a loser jordan was. black men are america's bogeyman. everyone is afraid of us unless we shuck n jive and smile.

[Trill Clinton]

does anyone disagree with this hypothetical law?

TRAYVON MARTIN LAW 1. Unless you are a member of Law enforcement you are not allowed to chase an unknown person while you’re in possession of a concealed weapon unless that person has harmed you or they are attempting to cause bodily harm to you or someone else. Following, chasing or confronting an unknown person who is in an authorized area or pubic area while you’re in possession of a concealed weapon just because you think they’re suspicious will waive your right to claim self-defense should said person end up dead. If you think said person is suspicious contact law enforcement instead of taking the law into your own hands.
2. Unless you're a member of Law Enforcement; following, chasing or confronting someone who has not caused you bodily harm or attempted to cause you or someone else bodily harm, while you are carrying a concealed or deadly weapon will be considered an aggressive act in itself; because that act alone automatically puts said person in fear of their life.
3. Following an unknown person while you're carrying a deadly weapon, should be seen as an aggressive or threatening act because you are putting that person in fear of their life. Also, you shouldn't be allowed to claim self-defense should that person end up dead as a result of the escalation of that act. Should that act lead to their death you should be charged with the highest degree of murder applicable to you or manslaughter.
4. An adult carrying a deadly weapon waives their right to claim self-defense if they follow, chase or confront an unknown minor, and that minor ends up dead or injured. Unless that minor has caused bodily harm to them or someone else or is attempting to cause bodily harm to them or someone else.

[Creepn]

yea i'm already preparing to read statements about how thuggish, ghetto, dumb and what a loser jordan was. black men are america's bogeyman. everyone is afraid of us unless we shuck n jive and smile.

Don't forget the glasses. White people feel better when a black man wears glasses. If Trayvon wore glasses...

[elbamba]

does anyone disagree with this hypothetical law?

TRAYVON MARTIN LAW 1. Unless you are a member of Law enforcement you are not allowed to chase an unknown person while you’re in possession of a concealed weapon unless that person has harmed you or they are attempting to cause bodily harm to you or someone else. Following, chasing or confronting an unknown person who is in an authorized area or pubic area while you’re in possession of a concealed weapon just because you think they’re suspicious will waive your right to claim self-defense should said person end up dead. If you think said person is suspicious contact law enforcement instead of taking the law into your own hands.
2. Unless you're a member of Law Enforcement; following, chasing or confronting someone who has not caused you bodily harm or attempted to cause you or someone else bodily harm, while you are carrying a concealed or deadly weapon will be considered an aggressive act in itself; because that act alone automatically puts said person in fear of their life.
3. Following an unknown person while you're carrying a deadly weapon, should be seen as an aggressive or threatening act because you are putting that person in fear of their life. Also, you shouldn't be allowed to claim self-defense should that person end up dead as a result of the escalation of that act. Should that act lead to their death you should be charged with the highest degree of murder applicable to you or manslaughter.
4. An adult carrying a deadly weapon waives their right to claim self-defense if they follow, chase or confront an unknown minor, and that minor ends up dead or injured. Unless that minor has caused bodily harm to them or someone else or is attempting to cause bodily harm to them or someone else.

I would delete 4. I don't believe the law should ever make you waive an affirmaitve defense. That is sort of the purpose behind having an affirmative defense.
I would delete 3 because it violates the 2nd amendment and carrying a weopon is not an aggressive or threatening act unless you show the weopon to whomever you are following. Plus if you follow someone who then slips on ice and breaks their neck, does the ice now become a deadly weopon. Fists can be a deadly weopon.
I would also include that if you witness a crime, you should be allowed to follow someone until police arrive.

Your intent is in the right place but the law could never be as broad as you suggest. I would like to see some serious scrutiny of SYG laws and lawmakers make reasonable changes.

[elbamba]

yea i'm already preparing to read statements about how thuggish, ghetto, dumb and what a loser jordan was. black men are america's bogeyman. everyone is afraid of us unless we shuck n jive and smile.

If anything, blame the media. No one carred about how thuggish Martin was until they started showing pictures of 12 year old Martin and 25 year old Zimmerman in prison orange. That was the propaganda campaing that Ben Crump pushed to get the country's attention. I actually think he wanted this outcome. He is a civil rights attorney and is trying to make this a civil rights case when it has nothing to do with civil rights. It would have something to do with civil rights if Zimmerman had been law enforcement.

If anyone has profited off of the media's running with this story it is Ben Crump who is using the Martin's to get his face out there. In ten years, Crump will no longer practice law but will be another Sharpton who races to every black related incident and cries racism. I remeber when this whole case started, Crump always said that they just want a trial, they will be happy with the outcome but they want him to face the justice system. Now that it didn't work the way he wanted, the system doesn't work. Its a load of crap and you guys are buying it.

[CosmicCowboy]

I think the SYG law is fine as it is. If the prosecutor questions if SYG should apply in a specific case or thinks it is being abused they can always take it to trial and let the jury decide.

[Trill Clinton]

I would delete 4. I don't believe the law should ever make you waive an affirmaitve defense. That is sort of the purpose behind having an affirmative defense.
I would delete 3 because it violates the 2nd amendment and carrying a weopon is not an aggressive or threatening act unless you show the weopon to whomever you are following. Plus if you follow someone who then slips on ice and breaks their neck, does the ice now become a deadly weopon. Fists can be a deadly weopon.
I would also include that if you witness a crime, you should be allowed to follow someone until police arrive.

Your intent is in the right place but the law could never be as broad as you suggest. I would like to see some serious scrutiny of SYG laws and lawmakers make reasonable changes.

i think protecting unarmed minors is indeed important and wouldn't completely delete number 4. a kid should never be put in a situation beyond their level of maturity and then killed and the killer be let off with self defense. there needs to be something there to protect the childs right to stand their ground as well.

[Trill Clinton]

If anything, blame the media. No one carred about how thuggish Martin was until they started showing pictures of 12 year old Martin and 25 year old Zimmerman in prison orange. That was the propaganda campaing that Ben Crump pushed to get the country's attention. I actually think he wanted this outcome. He is a civil rights attorney and is trying to make this a civil rights case when it has nothing to do with civil rights. It would have something to do with civil rights if Zimmerman had been law enforcement.

If anyone has profited off of the media's running with this story it is Ben Crump who is using the Martin's to get his face out there. In ten years, Crump will no longer practice law but will be another Sharpton who races to every black related incident and cries racism. I remeber when this whole case started, Crump always said that they just want a trial, they will be happy with the outcome but they want him to face the justice system. Now that it didn't work the way he wanted, the system doesn't work. Its a load of crap and you guys are buying it.


if my son died, i would give the media pictures that presented him the way i saw him too. attacking a kid and making up lies like he was in possession of jewelry from a heist is dead wrong. this case had a lot to do with civil rights in my opinion. being labeled suspicious for nothing is a violation of a persons civil rights.



Don't forget the glasses. White people feel better when a black man wears glasses. If Trayvon wore glasses...

glasses+ suspenders and you're good. nobody feard urkle.

[Creepn]

glasses+ suspenders and you're good. nobody feard urkle.

lol shit man, white people gave that negro the Image Award 4 years in a row. I guess that was a blatant hint we all missed.

[Trill Clinton]

lol shit man, white people gave that negro the Image Award 4 years in a row. I guess that was a blatant hint we all missed.
mmhhmm

[CosmicCowboy]

if my son died, i would give the media pictures that presented him the way i saw him too. attacking a kid and making up lies like he was in possession of jewelry from a heist is dead wrong. this case had a lot to do with civil rights in my opinion. being labeled suspicious for nothing is a violation of a persons civil rights.






You are going to be really disappointed when they don't file a civil rights case because of lack of evidence.

[Trill Clinton]

You are going to be really disappointed when they don't file a civil rights case because of lack of evidence.

and you will be very happy when they don't, so.....

[CosmicCowboy]

and you will be very happy when they don't, so.....

It's not a happy/sad thing...

There is no evidence of a civil rights violation. if there is no evidence (just like the murder case) they shouldn't charge him.

[Trill Clinton]

It's not a happy/sad thing...

There is no evidence of a civil rights violation. if there is no evidence (just like the murder case) they shouldn't charge him.


you're right, its not a happy/sad thing...its a sad/sad thing. its a tragedy that you've turned this into a moment of happiness. you've posted the lmao.emoticon several times, you have been very happy in this thread.

like i said, when they don't file a civil suit, you will be very happy.

[boobie4three]

OBAMA: 'TRAYVON COULD HAVE BEEN ME'

Speaking at the White House on Friday, President Obama addressed the verdict in the George Zimmerman trial for the killing of Trayvon Martin for the first time since 2012, when he declared that if he had a son, he’d look like Martin. This time, Obama said, “Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago.”


Finally, Obama went into the racial complexities of the Martin situation: "A lot of African-American boys are painted with a broad brush...If a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different." He did say, "As difficult and as challenging as this whole episode has been, I don't want us to lose sight that things are getting better...We're becoming a more perfect union, not a perfect union, but a more perfect union."
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/19/Obama-Trayvon-could-be-me

Didn't the President get the memo? The FBI last year interviewed 40 people and determined race was not an issue in this case. The prosecution even said: "This case is not about race".
Stoking the fire of racial unrest. Nice Mr. President.

[CosmicCowboy]

Another shitty President averted.

[Trill Clinton]

not an obama fan at all but he spoke the truth and there will be a outcry from the butthurt cowardman contingent because of it.

[elbamba]

if my son died, i would give the media pictures that presented him the way i saw him too. attacking a kid and making up lies like he was in possession of jewelry from a heist is dead wrong. this case had a lot to do with civil rights in my opinion. being labeled suspicious for nothing is a violation of a persons civil rights.

glasses+ suspenders and you're good. nobody feard urkle.

Only if acting under color of law. Zimmerman was not and therefore did not violate his civil rights in my opinion.

[elbamba]

You are going to be really disappointed when they don't file a civil rights case because of lack of evidence.

I would not gamble with this justice department. Who knows what they would do?

[CosmicCowboy]

I would not gamble with this justice department. Who knows what they would do?

Agreed. Holder is despicable enough to file without evidence.

[Trill Clinton]

Only if acting under color of law. Zimmerman was not and therefore did not violate his civil rights in my opinion.

yea well a lot of african americans don't agree for obvious reasons but i understand there are laws that are not written in our favor. been that way for a while.

[Wild Cobra]

I didn't verify someone elses words, maybe someone good at looking things up can verify this.

I heard that when it comes to rape, and if you look at two categories, the number is extremely small for white men raping black women, but very large for black men raping white women.

Anyone know?

[CosmicCowboy]

yea well a lot of african americans don't agree for obvious reasons but i understand there are laws that are not written in our favor. been that way for a while.

Yeah, too bad you are black and not gay.

[boutons_deux]

http://www.upworthy.com/its-rare-that-the-daily-show-slips-out-of-satire-and-into-anger-this-is-one-of-those-times?c=upw1

[boutons_deux]

Repugs have fucked up FL like they fuck all the states where they gain control, exactly how the dubya/dickhead Repugs, Reign of Error 2001-2008, fucked up the federal govt and USA.

[CosmicCowboy]

Repugs have fucked up FL like they fuck all the states where they gain control, exactly how the dubya/dickhead Repugs, Reign of Error 2001-2008, fucked up the federal govt and USA.

pick any blue state you want. Google "Blue State" self defense statute. They ALL contain phrasing similar to:

Deadly force is justifiable if the actor believes it to be necessary to protect himself against death or serious bodily injury.

All of them.

If Trayvon hadn't attacked Zimmerman and still got shot Zimmerman would be in prison now for life. It really is that simple.

[Trill Clinton]

http://www.upworthy.com/its-rare-that-the-daily-show-slips-out-of-satire-and-into-anger-this-is-one-of-those-times?c=upw1


well said and i agree with him 100%

[Trill Clinton]

Florida man shoots neighbor in the face and tells police ‘I only shot a ni**er’ Date: Thursday, July 18, 2013 By: thegrio.com (http://www.dallasblack.com/author/thegrio.com2)
A Port St. Joe, Florida man arrested for shooting his neighbor in the face allegedly admitted his crime to police, with a strange excuse.

Walter Henry Butler, 59, was arrested by Gulf County Sheriffs deputies after shooting Everett Gant, who is black. Gant was shot in the face after he confronted Butler about using racial slurs to address children living in the apartment complex where the two men reside.

Deputies said Butler admitted to shooting the victim, and even called 911 himself to report it, after which he reportedly went back to cooking his dinner. According to reports, officers on the scene said Butler seemed annoyed by the arrest and told officers, “I only shot a ni—r.

Butler was charged with attempted murder and a hate crime. He is being held at the Gulf County Jail. Gant is said to be in stable condition and is expected to survive.


http://www.dallasblack.com/sitepopup.aspx/communityChannel/FLManShootsNeighbor


http://i.imgur.com/e8tAR.gif


inb4 a "the legion of cowards" donate to his defense fund

[Trill Clinton]

if you punch someone in the face for following you, that person can kill you by law. amerikkka, home of the cowards.

[boobie4three]

well said and i agree with him 100%

Figures. That clown in the piece disregarded the evidence of the case, as several folks have done here.

[Trill Clinton]

i know i know, the law says, the evidence shows. yadda yadda yadda.

like i said, if a stranger is following you and you feel threatened and punch them, they can kill you and get away with it according to the law. i know about the coward law.

[CosmicCowboy]

i know i know, the law says, the evidence shows. yadda yadda yadda.

like i said, if a stranger is following you and you feel threatened and punch them, they can kill you and get away with it according to the law. i know about the coward law.

I'm glad we have been able to educate you. It might keep you from making a similar fatal mistake in the future. And it's the law in all 50 states, not just Florida.

Despite your ignorance of the law and your blatant racism I kinda like you.

[Trill Clinton]

"i only shot a n!gger" pretty much how most of amerikkka views trayvon. he only killed a n!gger, what's the big deal.

[CosmicCowboy]

"i only shot a n!gger" pretty much how most of amerikkka views trayvon. he only killed a n!gger, what's the big deal.

Trill with the racist smack again. It really is tedious.

FWIW I hope that white trash piece of shit spends the rest of his life in jail.

[Trill Clinton]

I'm glad we have been able to educate you. It might keep you from making a similar fatal mistake in the future. And it's the law in all 50 states, not just Florida.

Despite your ignorance of the law and your blatant racism I kinda like you.

naw, best believe that would never happened. i own a 40 caliber glock27 which i keep on my person at all times. a stranger stalks me at night he better pray my aim is off. i can also afford a much better legal team than what trayvon was left with. just tell your fellow cowards i'm not the one to follow.

[Trill Clinton]

Trill with the racist smack again. It really is tedious.

henry butler said it and i repeated it. don't turn this on me.

[boobie4three]

I'm glad we have been able to educate you. It might keep you from making a similar fatal mistake in the future. And it's the law in all 50 states, not just Florida.

Despite your ignorance of the law and your blatant racism I kinda like you.

He's a gun totin' bad ass, so he can't be all bad.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/Black-Dynamite-With-Gun_zps029f61c6.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/krakee/media/Black-Dynamite-With-Gun_zps029f61c6.jpg.html)

[CosmicCowboy]

naw, best believe that would never happened. i own a 40 caliber glock27 which i keep on my person at all times. a stranger stalks me at night he better pray my aim is off. i can also afford a much better legal team than what trayvon was left with. just tell your fellow cowards i'm not the one to follow.

That's a nice little carry gun. :toast

[CosmicCowboy]

henry butler said it and i repeated it. don't turn this on me.

You said " pretty much how most of amerikkka" thinks the same way.

Those were your ridiculous racist words. Most of America DOES NOT think that way myself included.

[Trill Clinton]

He's a gun totin' bad ass, so he can't be all bad.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/Black-Dynamite-With-Gun_zps029f61c6.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/krakee/media/Black-Dynamite-With-Gun_zps029f61c6.jpg.html)


stop it. i'm far from a bad ass, i'm not some john wayne wannabe.

[Trill Clinton]

You said " pretty much how most of amerikkka" thinks the same way.

Those were your ridiculous racist words. Most of America DOES NOT think that way myself included.

that's not racist, though. most of amerikkka, just like the gentleman in the clip boutons pointed out, weren't shocked, upset or showed empathy for trayvon. he was just another n!gger. its why the common rebuttal is, "but what about the black on black crime!?!?! why are you so upset now?!?!?!" we should just shut up and not care since they don't care, about n!ggers.

[Trill Clinton]

That's a nice little carry gun. :toast

thanks, hicock45 convinced me to buy it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdyq1p7UVAw

[CosmicCowboy]

that's not racist, though. most of amerikkka, just like the gentleman in the clip boutons pointed out, weren't shocked, upset or showed empathy for trayvon. he was just another n!gger. its why the common rebuttal is, "but what about the black on black crime!?!?! why are you so upset now?!?!?!" we should just shut up and not care since they don't care, about n!ggers.

I said from the start it was an unfortunate tragedy, there was fault on both sides, and unfortunately Trayvon ended up dead. Legally though, because of Trayvon's specific actions it wasn't murder. Said that from the start too. Shit happens every day. Read the paper, watch the local news. Shit fucking happens. Black, White, Brown, Red, Yellow. You can't cry tears and light candelas for all of them.

[CosmicCowboy]

Look, I want to say to all of you guys that I'm sorry the kid is dead. I have mocked you and argued with you and pretty much been an asshole because that's why internet forums are entertaining. You want all hearts and butterfllies get a pinterest account and knock yourself out.

Except for Boutons I think most of you are sane rational guys and we just have differing life experiences and perspectives. Doesn't mean we cant like each other at the end of the day.

Trill, if you want to pop a few caps with the 40 shot me a PM...I've got a pretty kickass pistol range at the ranch.

[Trill Clinton]

I said from the start it was an unfortunate tragedy

and then you went on to to call trayvon ghetto, thug, wannabe gangsta, nigra, loser, etc at just 17 young years of age.

[boobie4three]

REVEREND LAMBASTES SHARPTON AND JACKSON AS ‘RACE HUSTLERS AND POVERTY PIMPS,’ CALLS TRAYVON MARTIN A ‘THUG’


The Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, president of the Brotherhood Organization of A New Destiny (BOND), a conservative nonprofit, made some contentious statements on CNN’s “Piers Morgan Tonight” on Thursday. In addition to lambasting Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson for inserting race into Trayvon Martin’s death and George Zimmerman’s subsequent trial, he called the 17-year-old shooting victim a “thug.”

Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson Clashes With Piers Morgan, Lambastes Sharpton and Jackson as Race Hustlers and Poverty Pimps and Calls Trayvon Martin a Thug

The exchange began with Peterson claiming that race played no role in the highly-publicized tragedy.

“This case was not about race at all and what happened – you have the race-hustlers and poverty pimps like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and others who turned it into a race issue in order to gain power and wealth,” he charged.

Peterson also targeted President Barack Obama, calling his past comment about Martin (“You know, if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon”) “insane.”

These statements, he said, were intended to “incite the anger of black Americans and others.”



video at link

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/19/reverend-lambastes-sharpton-and-jackson-as-race-hustlers-and-poverty-pimps-calls-trayvon-martin-a-thug/

[CosmicCowboy]

Look, I want to say to all of you guys that I'm sorry the kid is dead. I have mocked you and argued with you and pretty much been an asshole because that's why internet forums are entertaining. You want all hearts and butterfllies get a pinterest account and knock yourself out.

Except for Boutons I think most of you are sane rational guys and we just have differing life experiences and perspectives. Doesn't mean we cant like each other at the end of the day.

Trill, if you want to pop a few caps with the 40 shot me a PM...I've got a pretty kickass pistol range at the ranch.

Dang Trill. Sour Grapes much?

[Wild Cobra]

"i only shot a n!gger" pretty much how most of amerikkka views trayvon. he only killed a n!gger, what's the big deal.
No.

He only shot a gang wanna-be. This world is probably better off without him.

[BradLohaus]

I read that the SYG law in Florida actually favors blacks most of all per capita. O'Mara mentioned that to Pierce Morgan a few days ago I think. Now I'm watching Grover Norquist on Bill Maher (DVR) saying the same thing. Bill is playing the smarmy ignorance card, per usual.

[boutons_deux]

"read that the SYG law in Florida actually favors blacks most of all per capita."

read where? how many blacks have used SYG defenses?

There's no fucking way NRA/ALEC/Repugs promoted, bought, passed SYG laws, open/concealed carry laws laws to "favor blacks". The SYUG laws are really racist "shoot the bad niggas" laws.

[boutons_deux]

repeat:

Stand Your Ground” isn’t some stand-alone law, it’s a complete modification of Florida’s rules governing the use of deadly force for self-defense. As a result, it played an essential role in the Zimmerman trial. In fact, it created two different standards by which the six jurors judged both George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.

As former Florida Secretary of State Dan Gelber has pointed out, pre-Jeb Bush, pre- Koch Brothers, and pre-ALEC Florida law would have required the following instructions to be read to a jury in a self-defense murder trial:

"The defendant [George Zimmerman] cannot justify the use of force likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless he used every reasonable means within his power and consistent with his own safety to avoid the danger before resorting to that force. The fact that the defendant [George Zimmerman] was wrongfully attacked cannot justify his use of force likely to cause death or great bodily harm if by retreating he could have avoided the need to use that force."

By comparison, here are the Stand Your Ground instructions that actually were read to the Zimmerman jury:

“The danger facing George Zimmerman need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force. Based upon appearances, George Zimmerman must have actually believed that the danger was real.

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/evil-new-stand-your-ground-law-made-killing-trayvon-martin-permissible?akid=10714.187590.94k01c&rd=1&src=newsletter871529&t=3

so under FL SYG law, you get "faith-based murder", you only have to "believe" you're in danger, not actually be in danger.

and of course loaded-gun chickenshit vigilante gun fellator GZ's "belief" level gets tripped very low, well below any actual threat.

Rather than fight like man possessing an actual dick, GZ whipped out his steel dick and fired away.

[boobie4three]

To avoid trouble stay away from these Al Sharpton Unrest areas.

This is the latest list of locations for the Trayvon Martin protests against white gun owners, American courts, jury verdicts, and the Rule of Law.
All Americans please avoid these areas on Saturday July 20 as the likelihood of violence and property destruction are very high based on events like these seen in several states!

Here's the first 5 of 137. There in state alphabetical order. The rest are at the link.
http://www.saveamericafoundation.com/2013/07/19/to-avoid-trouble-stay-away-from-these-al-sharpton-unrest-areas/

Anniston, AL
Group of concerned Parents
1129 noble Street
10:00 AM
832-499-8731
[email protected]

Birmingham, AL
Hugo Black Federal Courthouse
1729 5th Avenue North
Birmingham AL 35203
Meeting at Kelly Ingram Park (5th Avenue North And 16th Street) at 11am
Contacts:
Sheila Tyson: 205-249-8559
Shirley Floyd: 205-552-3035
Hezekiah Jackson: 205-516-9806
Marcella Lee: [email protected]

Madison, AL
Madison Mission SDA Church
183 Shelton Road
7:00 pm
256-698-8911
[email protected]

Montgomery / Mobile, AL
403 West Powell st.
Contact: The Ordinary People Society
334-791-2433
[email protected]

Mobile, AL
U.S. Federal Court House, Southern District of Alabama
113 Saint Joseph St.
12 Noon.
Contact: Robert Battles
(252) 518-1262
Email: [email protected]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/al_sharpton2012-trayvon-press-conference-med-wide_zpsc1c22e25.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/krakee/media/al_sharpton2012-trayvon-press-conference-med-wide_zpsc1c22e25.jpg.html)

[boobie4three]

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/tumblr_mmfxjpxsVz1rfd74uo1_500_zps30930b4a.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/krakee/media/tumblr_mmfxjpxsVz1rfd74uo1_500_zps30930b4a.jpg.htm l)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/eric-holder-jesse-jackson-al-sharpton-540x370_zps34d2a777.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/krakee/media/eric-holder-jesse-jackson-al-sharpton-540x370_zps34d2a777.jpg.html)

[boutons_deux]

Same is true of a "certain class of whites" living on public assistance long term, so therefore, ALL whites are to be denigrated and discriminated against.

[boobie4three]

Same is true of a "certain class of whites" living on public assistance long term, so therefore, ALL whites are to be denigrated and discriminated against.
You're talking about a different subject. I'm referring to the race-baiters and race hustlers whose livelihood depends on how much anger they can gin up and how much pressure they can apply to companies and government, which translates into a nice comfortable lifestyle for themselves. As far as what you're talking about, the Democrats can take credit for trying to get as many people as they can(black, white, or Hispanic) dependent on government programs to ensure their reelection chances. That's why 0bama was often referred to as Santa Clause during his 2012 campaign.

[Trill Clinton]

its not race baiting, boobie. the reason so many black people are upset is because its 2013 and we're still looked at as suspicious. even the president said 35 years ago he would have been trayvon. we can't shop without people following us, cops pull us over for no damn reason, stop n frisk's...black men are seen as threats and with the SYG laws, it gives people the right to profile us, follow/stalk us and when we defend ourselves, they can kill us and get away with it. i know race is uncomfortable for ya'll to talk about but we need to have these courageous conversations.

[boobie4three]

its not race baiting, boobie. the reason so many black people are upset is because its 2013 and we're still looked at as suspicious. even the president said 35 years ago he would have been trayvon. we can't shop without people following us, cops pull us over for no damn reason, stop n frisk's...black men are seen as threats and with the SYG laws, it gives people the right to profile us, follow/stalk us and when we defend ourselves, they can kill us and get away with it. i know race is uncomfortable for ya'll to talk about but we need to have these courageous conversations.


Let me guess. You're hoping legislation will be enacted to allow any black person the legal right to smash someone in the face if they feel they're being followed, profiled, or generally disrespected in any way, right?..Seriously, I can only imagine what it would be like to be a law abiding black citizen and be looked upon with suspicion solely based on the color of my skin. But shouldn't a lot of the blame be placed at the feet of government programs(welfare) enacted in the 60s that facilitated the destruction of the black family, producing generation after generation of fatherless young men who felt no responsibility to be good citizens and chose the easy road to a life of crime? The unfortunate consequence of the lawless actions of these thugs is that innocent blacks might be looked upon with some suspicion in some circumstances, which is very sad. BTW, white families are not immune to these destructive government programs that discourage personal responsibility and initiative. Anyway, that's my take. What say you?

[boobie4three]

BILL COSBY: GEORGE ZIMMERMAN ACQUITTAL NOT ABOUT RACE

Comedian Bill Cosby says the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the death of Florida teen isn't about racism.


Cosby, an outspoken voice on cultural issues, says the recent trial did not prove that Zimmerman had racist motives at any point during his confrontation with Martin. That means race shouldn't be a part of the conversation regarding the case.
“Let’s not go into a racial discussion unless we really have something there,” he told radio hosts Domenick Nati and Nate Foutz.

Cosby also blasted the news media and said that he had stopped paying attention to “high-profile” court cases after the Casey Anthony murder trial because journalists were so convinced she would be found guilty and yet she was not....
Regarding the Zimmerman trial, Cosby said that he did not think the state of Florida was able to prove its case against him. “I found that the prosecution did not tell the story well. And they lost,” Cosby said.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/07/18/cosby-zimmerman-not-racist

[Chief Brody]

its not race baiting, boobie. the reason so many black people are upset is because its 2013 and we're still looked at as suspicious. even the president said 35 years ago he would have been trayvon. we can't shop without people following us, cops pull us over for no damn reason, stop n frisk's...black men are seen as threats and with the SYG laws, it gives people the right to profile us, follow/stalk us and when we defend ourselves, they can kill us and get away with it. i know race is uncomfortable for ya'll to talk about but we need to have these courageous conversations.
Defend yourself from questions?

[Jacob1983]

Is Al Sharpton trying to give Holder a hand job in that photo? Back to race hustlers and poverty pimps, why aren't Sharpton and Jackson having an outrage over the daily shootings in Chicago? Why don't they care that black people are shooting and killing other black people on a daily basis in Chicago? Why is it that those pieces of shit only give a fuck when whitey(or half whitey) kills a brotha?

[boutons_deux]

The 40-Year-Old Photo That Gives Us A Reason To Smile

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/07/17/macomb-kids-7a46ffc271d9c6d9a377f8f091ccd2ac5b587559-s40.jpg

In late July 1973, was wandering the streets of Mount Clemens, Mich., a suburb of Detroit, with his camera. As a staff photographer for the Macomb Daily, he was expected to keep an eye out for good feature images — "those little slices of life that can stand on their own."


The slice of life he caught that day was a picture of five young friends in a rain-washed alley in downtown Mount Clemens. And what distinguishes it are its subjects: three black children, two white ones, giggling in each others' arms.

"It was just one of those evenings," Crachiola remembers. "I saw these kids — they were just playing around. And I started shooting some pictures of them. At some point, they saw me and they all turned and looked at me and struck that pose that you see in the picture. It was totally spontaneous. I had nothing to do with the way they arranged themselves."

This week, Crachiola, who now lives in New Orleans, posted the vintage photo on his Facebook page.

"For me, it still stands as one of my most meaningful pictures," he wrote in his post. "It makes me wonder... At what point do we begin to mistrust one another? When do we begin to judge one another based on gender or race? I have always wondered what happened to these children. I wonder if they are still friends."

After several days when the world seemed to be reduced to one big argument about race, the elegantly simple photo hit a nerve — in a good way.

After his Sunday post, Crachiola's Facebook page blew up — as many as 100,000 page views. Six thousand "likes" and thousands of shares. The Macomb Daily reprinted the photo on its Web page and sent someone to the archives to help identify the children, who are now middle-aged.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2013/07/17/203016331/the-40-year-old-photo-that-gives-us-a-reason-to-smile?utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=20130721&utm_source=mostemailed

[boutons_deux]

Zimmerman Prosecutor Worse Than Jury?

http://readersupportednews.org/images/stories/alphabet/rsn-L.jpgistening to the lead prosecutor's final argument in the Zimmerman case, it's hard to believe he really wanted a conviction.

Lead prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda lost focus from the moment he opened his mouth and began: "A teenager is dead. He is dead through no fault of his own. He is dead because another man made assumptions…."

Not only is de la Rionda's voice flat, his tone subdued and resigned, he begins by presenting the victim as an abstraction, characterizing him in a neutral, almost dismissive way as "a teenager," who also happens to be dead, which everyone knew before the trial started. As narrative hooks go, this one is barbless.

The prosecutor adds that this teenager "is dead through no fault of his own," as if the question before the jury was what did Trayvon do to deserve killing? Why even address the question of Trayvon's fault when you're supposedly trying to convict Zimmerman? Even if there's good reason to expect the defense to try to put Trayvon on trial, why put it at the top of your summation as if it's a credible question?

And then he says Trayvon is dead "because another man made assumptions?" Really? Isn't Trayvon dead because another man shot him? Doesn't that other man have a name? Isn't Zimmerman the one on trial here? Isn't that him over there, 27 years old, 5 feet 7.5 inches tall, 204 pounds?

They Pay TV Anchors Millions a Year to Ratify the People in Power

If We're Not Careful, We Run the Risk of Persuading the Jury

Why Wouldn't the State Support the Players on Its Team? (maybe because the Repug state is Confederate racist, where dead, and relentlessly disenfreanchised, niggas are part of the strategy)

And Then There Was the Controversial State Attorney in Charge

So the Plan Was to Lose by Over-Playing the Effort to Win?

Why is she spitting in the jury's eye like this after the verdict? Legally, Zimmerman is not a murderer, though he is a killer. More perplexing, how does this apparent belief in Zimmerman's guilt fit with a plan to get "all of the facts and details" of the case before a jury? With all the facts and details, and no prosecution narrative to hang them on, could any jury be expected to convict?

But this is not a woman who doesn't know how to win a conviction in a seemingly difficult case. In 2010, Marissa Alexander fired a single shot into the ceiling in the midst of an argument with her abusive husband. A 32-year-old African American mother of three, Alexander said it had been a warning shot and claimed protection under the Stand Your Ground law. She had no prior criminal record.

She was charged, tried, and convicted by prosecutor Angela Corey. Alexander is currently serving a 20-year sentence, not for killing or harming anyone, but for outing a bullet in the ceiling. According Corey, Alexander wasn't afraid when her husband was in a rage and threatening her.

According to Corey, the Zimmerman case was never about race.

There's no way to know with certainty what the prosecutors were trying to accomplish, consciously or not. But it's clear what they have accomplished, and it doesn't look like justice.

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/18516-focus-zimmerman-prosecutor-worse-than-jury

[scroteface]

the viability of suicide....

[boobie4three]

Yo, did any of you attend any of the Trayvon rallies over the weekend? If so, we need an after action report from you.

[boobie4three]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/156x195-geraldo-rivera_zpsbb9228ab.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/krakee/media/156x195-geraldo-rivera_zpsbb9228ab.jpg.html)

Geraldo Rivera: White Hispanic, Yellow Journalism
By Geraldo Rivera
All Star
Published July 19, 2013
Fox News Latino

Of all the spin leading up to the dramatic but not unexpected acquittal of George Zimmerman for the murder of Trayvon Martin, nothing was as disingenuous as the accused being identified as a “white Hispanic.” Whether it was created in a feeble attempt to continue the narrative of a white racist preying on a defenseless black teenager, it is clumsy, counterproductive and inaccurate.
First of all, what is a Hispanic? The word derives from a region called “Hispania” the collective name for the four 15th century Christian kingdoms on the northern half of the Iberian Peninsula before King Ferdinand and Queen Isabela united the peninsula and expelled the Moors.

As I wrote in my 2007 book His-Panic, the word Hispanic has for the last 525 years “referred to people from the original mother country of Spain, its far-flung subjects around its once mighty, world-girdling empire, as well as to its Spanish culture and language. So Hispanics can be black, brown, red, or white; Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, or Buddhist; and residents of Spain, Puerto Rico, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, or other Caribbean, Mexican, Central or South American nations.” Excluded are folks coming from places like Brazil with its Portuguese roots, Belize and Guyana with their British antecedents and French Guiana.
Latino and Hispanic mean exactly the same thing. The terms therefore define geographic and linguistic roots, not race.

So is George Zimmerman a “white Hispanic?” I guess, if you’re referring to the race of his parents. But then wouldn’t we have to label mixed race folks like Barack Obama a “white African American?” Would the media then refer to me as a white or a white Jewish/Catholic Hispanic in recognition of my own mixed racial background and Jewish mother?
During slavery and Jim Crow, and in racist regimes like Apartheid-era South Africa, both Obama and Zimmerman would have been considered non-white; judged and classified by a system that bestowed rights and privileges that increased as blackness decreased.

Race politics stained history, DNA equaled destiny.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinion/2013/07/19/geraldo-rivera-white-hispanic-yellow-journalism/

[Trill Clinton]

what up, boobie?

[boobie4three]

what up, boobie?

Yo. Didn't see you posting for awhile. I was worried about you. Thought maybe you went to a rally and things got out of hand. Good to see you're OK.

[Trill Clinton]

Yo. Didn't see you posting for awhile. I was worried about you. Thought maybe you went to a rally and things got out of hand. Good to see you're OK.

i'm fine, fam. my frat bruhs attended a rally in downtown SA yesterday but i couldn't make it. we have some things lined up, though.

[boutons_deux]

GZ didn't do shit by not using SYG, except get some.

The judge invoked it for him:

"JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE

The killing of a human being is justifiable and lawful if necessarily done while resisting an attempt to murder or commit a felony upon George Zimmerman, or to commit a felony inany dwelling house in which George Zimmerman was at the time of the attempted killing.

EXCUSABLE HOMICIDE

The killing of a human being is excusable, and therefore lawful, under any one of thethree following circumstances:

1. When the killing is committed by accident and misfortune in doing any lawful actby lawful means with usual ordinary caution and without any unlawful intent, or

2. When the killing occurs by accident and misfortune in the heat of passion, upon any sudden and sufficient provocation, or

3. When the killing is committed by accident and misfortune resulting from a sudden combat, if a dangerous weapon is not used and the attempted killing is not done in a cruel and unusual manner."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/153354467/George-Zimmerman-Trial-Final-Jury-Instructions

So you right-wing racists who say ALEC/NRA/gun-industry/white-supremacist's SYG law, aka legal-nigga-killin-law, wasn't the issue, and that race wasn't the issue, and/or because GZ didn't use SYG, you're wrong, as always.

[boobie4three]

GZ didn't do shit by not using SYG, except get some.

The judge invoked it for him:

"JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE

The killing of a human being is justifiable and lawful if necessarily done while resisting an attempt to murder or commit a felony upon George Zimmerman, or to commit a felony inany dwelling house in which George Zimmerman was at the time of the attempted killing.

EXCUSABLE HOMICIDE

The killing of a human being is excusable, and therefore lawful, under any one of thethree following circumstances:

1. When the killing is committed by accident and misfortune in doing any lawful actby lawful means with usual ordinary caution and without any unlawful intent, or

2. When the killing occurs by accident and misfortune in the heat of passion, upon any sudden and sufficient provocation, or

3. When the killing is committed by accident and misfortune resulting from a sudden combat, if a dangerous weapon is not used and the attempted killing is not done in a cruel and unusual manner."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/153354467/George-Zimmerman-Trial-Final-Jury-Instructions

So you right-wing racists who say ALEC/NRA/gun-industry/white-supremacist's SYG law, aka legal-nigga-killin-law, wasn't the issue, and that race wasn't the issue, and/or because GZ didn't use SYG, you're wrong, as always.

Wow, I was just about ready to join hands with everyone here and sing "Ebony and Ivory". Nice Bouts.

[boobie4three]

OK, well as long as we're back at each others throats...

The Lynching (Jul. 19, 2013)

http://www.pjtv.com/s/GEZDSMRS

[boutons_deux]

an analysis of Supplemental Homicide Reports (http://ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/ezashr/) submitted by local law enforcement to the FBI between 2005 and 2010 demonstrates that in cases with a Black shooter and a White victim, the rate of justifiable homicide rulings is about 1 percent. However, if the shooter is White and the victim is Black, it is ruled justified in 9.5 percent of cases in non-Stand Your Ground (SYG) states.

In SYG states, the rate is even higher—almost 17 percent, according to John Roman of the Urban Institute.

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/blacks-who-stand-their-ground-are-often-imprisoned

[CosmicCowboy]

an analysis of Supplemental Homicide Reports (http://ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/ezashr/) submitted by local law enforcement to the FBI between 2005 and 2010 demonstrates that in cases with a Black shooter and a White victim, the rate of justifiable homicide rulings is about 1 percent. However, if the shooter is White and the victim is Black, it is ruled justified in 9.5 percent of cases in non-Stand Your Ground (SYG) states.

In SYG states, the rate is even higher—almost 17 percent, according to John Roman of the Urban Institute.

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/blacks-who-stand-their-ground-are-often-imprisoned

That is a totally meaningless statistic.

[CosmicCowboy]

GZ didn't do shit by not using SYG, except get some.

The judge invoked it for him:

"JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE

The killing of a human being is justifiable and lawful if necessarily done while resisting an attempt to murder or commit a felony upon George Zimmerman, or to commit a felony inany dwelling house in which George Zimmerman was at the time of the attempted killing.

EXCUSABLE HOMICIDE

The killing of a human being is excusable, and therefore lawful, under any one of thethree following circumstances:

1. When the killing is committed by accident and misfortune in doing any lawful actby lawful means with usual ordinary caution and without any unlawful intent, or

2. When the killing occurs by accident and misfortune in the heat of passion, upon any sudden and sufficient provocation, or

3. When the killing is committed by accident and misfortune resulting from a sudden combat, if a dangerous weapon is not used and the attempted killing is not done in a cruel and unusual manner."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/153354467/George-Zimmerman-Trial-Final-Jury-Instructions

So you right-wing racists who say ALEC/NRA/gun-industry/white-supremacist's SYG law, aka legal-nigga-killin-law, wasn't the issue, and that race wasn't the issue, and/or because GZ didn't use SYG, you're wrong, as always.

This shit again? If the head is split you must acquit!

http://www.itusozluk.com/image/johnnie-cochran_504968.jpg

[boutons_deux]

There's one big but, however, and that's in Florida, where Trayvon Martin's family is said to be considering a civil case against Zimmerman. (The U.S. Department of Justice is also undertaking a review of evidence in the case.)

In a civil proceeding against Zimmerman, the Martin family would have the opportunity to challenge a central, and controversial, section of Florida's stand your ground statute.

The section is titled, "Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force."

Indeed, the section provides the opportunity for just that: a path to pretrial immunity for potential defendants who can prove in a hearing before a judge that a "preponderance of evidence" shows that their deadly or potentially deadly actions fell into the category of reasonable self-defense.

Zimmerman did not ask for an immunity hearing before his criminal trial, but that does not preclude him from requesting one if he faces a civil trial, says associate law professor Tamara Rice Lave of the University of Miami's School of Law.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/07/15/202418599/stand-your-ground-laws-under-scrutiny-post-zimmerman-verdict

[CosmicCowboy]

There's one big but, however, and that's in Florida, where Trayvon Martin's family is said to be considering a civil case against Zimmerman. (The U.S. Department of Justice is also undertaking a review of evidence in the case.)

In a civil proceeding against Zimmerman, the Martin family would have the opportunity to challenge a central, and controversial, section of Florida's stand your ground statute.

The section is titled, "Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force."

Indeed, the section provides the opportunity for just that: a path to pretrial immunity for potential defendants who can prove in a hearing before a judge that a "preponderance of evidence" shows that their deadly or potentially deadly actions fell into the category of reasonable self-defense.

Zimmerman did not ask for an immunity hearing before his criminal trial, but that does not preclude him from requesting one if he faces a civil trial, says associate law professor Tamara Rice Lave of the University of Miami's School of Law.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/07/15/202418599/stand-your-ground-laws-under-scrutiny-post-zimmerman-verdict

That's what I have been saying all along. Because of Martins actions Zimmerman will be immune from a civil trial.

[boutons_deux]

OPPONENTS OF STAND YOUR GROUND PROPOSE NEW LAW


TALLAHASSEE (The Borowitz Report (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/))—Opponents of Florida’s Stand Your Ground law are attempting to mobilize support for a new law called Don’t Shoot Me for Absolutely No Reason.

The proposed law, which faces major opposition in the Florida legislature, would make it illegal for people in the state to shoot each other for no reason whatsoever.

“Under the provisions of Don’t Shoot Me for Absolutely No Reason, you will be required to have an actual reason for shooting someone,” said a spokesman for the measure, Harland Dorrinson. “This will be a first in Florida.”

The controversial bill has already drawn the ire of the National Rifle Association, which issued a statement today saying that requiring someone to have a reason to shoot another person would violate the Second Amendment.

“If you force someone to have a reason to shoot someone, soon you will be taking away his right to shoot that person altogether,” the N.R.A. said.

“We are not in principle against the idea of having a reason to shoot someone,” the N.R.A. continued. “But we believe you should be allowed to shoot the person first and have the reason second.”

Even if Don’t Shoot Me for Absolutely No Reason somehow passes in the legislature, Florida Gov. Rick Scott said today that he would veto it, telling reporters, “Making people in Florida have a reason to shoot each other would fundamentally change our way of life.”

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/07/opponents-of-stand-your-ground-propose-new-law-dont-shoot-me-for-absolutely-no-reason.html?mbid=nl_Borowitz%20(153)

[AntiChrist]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/romany-malco/a-message-to-trayvon-mart_b_3612231.html




I haven't touched on the Trayvon Martin issue because race matters in this country are the paralysis of the American people. To constructively discuss Trayvon would require empathy, introspection and an understanding of America's social and economic history. This is why the open forums we have seen thus far seem to fuel more ignorance and bias than reasonable debate.

To be brutally honest, the only reason people are even aware of Trayvon Martin is because it became a topic within mainstream news and pop culture. Meaning: News directors saw it as a profitable, sensational story. Hundreds of blacks (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/06/1214222/-Since-Trayvon-Martin-Was-Shot-About-480-Blacks-Have-Been-Murdered-in-Chicago#) die annually in South Side Chicago without even a blurb. Trayvon isn't in the mainstream news for any reason other than ratings and profit. The news coverage on the Zimmerman case almost implies that the killing of this young black man is somehow an anomaly and I resent that.

In this country, if it isn't streamlined through mainstream media and pop culture, it doesn't seem to warrant national debate. Our "government" continues to wreak havoc on our civil liberties and there is little to no protest from the black community because of media diversion tactics that keep such pertinent issues out of mainstream media. But if Jay-Z or Rihanna were to make mention of it, we'd suddenly be jolted out of our sugar comas and protesting on freeways.

My point being, people are up in arms about Trayvon based on regurgitated pundits and manipulated facts aired to elicit emotion while fueling America's anger and division. That's how you boost ratings. No different from Piers Morgan's desperate rant over gun control when he knew his ratings were in the dumps. And from where I stand, anyone who still relies on corporate-owned media pundits to support an argument isn't equipped to offer worthwhile solutions.
People are using Trayvon Martin's death as an excuse to project their own deep-seated issues with racism and will not be capable of intelligent, empathetic debate until they've cooled down and afforded themselves an education.
Addressing Trayvon without first addressing the absence of critical thinking in our schools, the lack of introspection, the reasons for our low tolerance and our country's skewed value system does nothing more than create a sounding board for the ignorant. So rather than facilitate more racism outcry, I'd like to address young black people specifically.

I believe we lost that trial for Trayvon long before he was killed. Trayvon was doomed the moment ignorance became synonymous with young black America . We lost that case by using media outlets (music, movies, social media, etc.) as vehicles to perpetuate the same negative images and social issues that destroyed the black community in the first place. When we went on record glorifying violent crime and when we voted for a president we never thought to hold accountable. When we signed on to do reality shows that fed into the media's stereotypes of black men, we ingrained an image of Trayvon Martin so overwhelming that who he actually may have been didn't matter anymore.
Don't you find it peculiar that the same media outlets who have worked so diligently to galvanize the negative stigmas of black men in America are now airing open debates on improving the image of black males in American media? Do you honestly think CNN is using their competitive time slots for philanthropy?

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." - Rahm Emanuel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow)

If we really wanted to ensure Trayvon Martin's killing was not in vain, we'd stop perpetuating negative images that are now synonymous with black men in America. We'd stop rapping about selling drugs and killing niggas. The next time we saw a man beating a woman, we'd call for help or break it up, but one thing we would not do is stand by with our cellphones out -- yelling WORLDSTAR! Instead of rewarding kids for memorization, we'd reward them for independent and critical thinking.

We'd spend less time subconsciously repeating lyrics about death and murder and more time understanding why we are so willing to twerk to songs that bemean women and boast of having things we cannot afford. We'd set examples of self-love for our youth by honoring our own hair, skin and eye color. We'd stop spending money on designer gear that we should be spending on our physical and psychological health. We'd seek information outside the corporate owned-media that manipulates us. We'd stop letting television babysit our kids and we'd quit regurgitating pundits we haven't come up with on our own.
Education, introspection, self-love and excellence are the only ways to overcome the wrath of ignorance. So before going back to popping molly and getting Turnt Up, I urge you to consider the implications of your actions. Your child's life may depend on it

[boutons_deux]

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[KingsFanWithoutName]

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/1826/1hd2.png

Looks like there is a space big enough in the middle there to fit in the part about having four minutes to run back home.

[boutons_deux]

Looks like there is a space big enough in the middle there to fit in the part about having four minutes to run back home.

she's dead, no witnesses, so the man can spin all kinds lies, spew inconsistencies, in his defense, confuse the jury.

[Chief Brody]

Shouldering all that white guilt is gonna send boutons, et al to an early grave.

[Creepn]

Looks like there is a space big enough in the middle there to fit in the part about having four minutes to run back home.

It's not illegal to not run home. You can't use this argument if you say Zimmerman stalking, following, chasing, or what have you isn't illegal. Bottom line is, you just don't follow people! This is your stance, "It's ok for a creepy man to follow people in the black of the night, it's not illegal".

[Creepn]

Shouldering all that white guilt is gonna send boutons, et al to an early grave.

STFU demon.

[Chief Brody]

STFU demon.
:lolsomeone's a little salty about the WHITE thread
:lolDiet Trill

[Creepn]

:lolsomeone's a little salty about the WHITE thread
:lolDiet Trill

Diet Trill? :rolleyes lame. I don't know what mah boy Trill sees in your dumbass.

[AntiChrist]

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/1826/1hd2.png



Lol, knees him, pepper sprays him, or trips him.

Is that what TM did to GZ?

[Chief Brody]

Diet Trill?
Yup, you've been branded. Congrats.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

It's not illegal to not run home. You can't use this argument if you say Zimmerman stalking, following, chasing, or what have you isn't illegal. Bottom line is, you just don't follow people! This is your stance, "It's ok for a creepy man to follow people in the black of the night, it's not illegal".

You are correct. It is not illegal to not run home, just as it is not illegal to follow someone. It is illegal to assault someone, even if you don't like them following you. That is what got Trayvon killed, I'm not sure why that is so hard for you to understand. Your stance of thinking that is okay is completely wrong. It would be ill advised to be walking around thinking you can assault people with no repercussions.

[Creepn]

Yup, you've been branded. Congrats.

Meh whatever.

Look, I can't be that type of "friend" to you. Be happy you found a black guy like Trill who fulfills your racist desires and quit trying to draw me in. As for me, I don't think the racist trolls are all that joking. I really do think that loser whites like yourself (no offense), vent their racist frustrations online because of personal problems or they feel sooo :cry oppressed :cry. So it's really not all that funny to me when I believe it to be genuine. You even openly admitted that you are happily racist anyway so quit all that bullshit about how it's just all fun and games.

Anyway, I'm not going to be your friend got it? Now begone demon!

[Creepn]

You are correct. It is not illegal to not run home, just as it is not illegal to follow someone. It is illegal to assault someone, even if you don't like them following you. That is what got Trayvon killed, I'm not sure why that is so hard for you to understand. Your stance of thinking that is okay is completely wrong. It would be ill advised to be walking around thinking you can assault people with no repercussions.

What got him killed was someone provoking fear in the target. Why do you keep saying Trayvon assaulted him as fact? You don't know what happen and I think Zimmerman created physical contact first anyway. Your stance is that you think it's ok to chase someone in the dark and not expect any unfortunate outcome to happen and when it does, it's all the victims fault because it's not illegal. That is completely wrong.

[Chief Brody]

quit trying to draw me in
:lmaoYou quoted and engaged me the last couple days, not the other way around. So you're either a) a liar, or b) too mentally weak to not take the bait.

C'mon fam, grandma raised you better than that.

[Creepn]

:lmaoYou quoted and engaged me the last couple days, not the other way around. So you're either a) a liar, or b) too mentally weak to not take the bait.

C'mon fam, grandma raised you better than that.

Come on now, just because you on your troll account doesn't mean the other times you contacted me on a different account doesn't count.

[Chief Brody]

Simple way to find out. Take all the trolls you think are mine, submit them to Kori and/or LJ for verification, then count up the times which one engaged the other first. If you're guilty, a slave chain goes in your profile box (like mono's pickle). If I'm guilty, a KKK dunce cap, swastika, or any other image of your choosing goes under mine. Deal?

Before you decline with something predictable like "I'm not going to waste my time doing that for your racist ass!," just know that once again it was you who came to me--not the other way around.

And you will again.

[boobie4three]

What got him killed was someone provoking fear in the target. Why do you keep saying Trayvon assaulted him as fact? You don't know what happen and I think Zimmerman created physical contact first anyway. Your stance is that you think it's ok to chase someone in the dark and not expect any unfortunate outcome to happen and when it does, it's all the victims fault because it's not illegal. That is completely wrong.

If Martin was so fearful of da cracka, why didn't he just go home instead of hanging around to get in a confrontation with Zimm? This has been explained to you a dozen times, but I'll 'splain it again. Phone records indicate there were 4 minutes between the time Zimm told the dispatcher Martin was running till the time Martin's phone went dead during the first contact with Zimm. 4 minutes is probably 4 times the amount of time for Martin needed to walk home. Why do you keep ignoring these facts? Or do you indeed accept these facts but maintain that Martin has every right to hang around in order to confront Zimm because he feels disrespected?

[boobie4three]

Zimmerman juror B29: I owe Martin's parents an apology

Juror B29, who voted to acquit George Zimmerman, says she now feels he got away with murder but there wasn't enough evidence to convict him.


ORLANDO, Fla. — The second juror to speak publicly about George Zimmerman's trial tells ABC News she feels the neighborhood watch volunteer got away with murder for fatally shooting Trayvon Martin. But she says there wasn't enough evidence to convict him under Florida law.

Juror B29 told Robin Roberts in an interview made public Thursday that she favored convicting Zimmerman of second-degree murder when deliberations began. But by the second day of deliberating, she realized there wasn't enough proof to convict him of a crime.

Juror B29 is the second juror to go public with what went on during deliberations earlier this month. She allowed her face to be seen and used her first name, Maddy, unlike Juror B37, who was interviewed on CNN last week with her face obscured.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/ggg_zpsaa81096e.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/krakee/media/ggg_zpsaa81096e.jpg.html)

http://news.msn.com/us/zimmerman-juror-b29-i-owe-martins-parents-an-apology

[Jacob1983]

That hoe is taking a huge risk by making that tv appearance. I hope she has a body guard or something because she will definitely need it. I wonder if Sharpton and Jackson have discussed hiring assassins to kill the jurors.

[boutons_deux]

"there wasn't enough evidence to convict him."

yep, GZ is a very lucky murderer, , insufficient evidence and really shitty prosecutors, in every sense except the legal.

[Creepn]

"there wasn't enough evidence to convict him."

yep, GZ is a very lucky murderer, , insufficient evidence and really shitty prosecutors, in every sense except the legal.

Yes, very lucky. I still believe manslaughter should've been in the bag though.

[AntiChrist]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/25/george-zimmerman-trial-juror-b29_n_3654183.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/25/george-zimmerman-trial-juror-b29_n_3654183.html)




"I was the juror that was going to give them the hung jury. I fought to the end," she said. "That's where I felt confused, where if a person kills someone, then you get charged for it. But as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't say he's guilty."

She continued, "as much as we were trying to find this man guilty…they give you a booklet that basically tells you the truth, and the truth is that there was nothing that we could do about it. I feel the verdict was already told."



Damn, this bitch is dumb.

Yes, GZ did kill TM INTENTIONALLY -- in self defense.

And you don't try to find a person guilty -- you are innocent until the state PROVES you are guilty.

smh

[boobie4three]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/25/george-zimmerman-trial-juror-b29_n_3654183.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/25/george-zimmerman-trial-juror-b29_n_3654183.html)



Damn, this bitch is dumb.

Yes, GZ did kill TM INTENTIONALLY -- in self defense.

And you don't try to find a person guilty -- you are innocent until the state PROVES you are guilty.

smh

Yeah, she sounds like a real winner. Fortunately the other 5 jurors beat some sense into her.

[Jacob1983]

I thought jurors were supposed to vote guilty or not guilty. What's with this woman saying she wanted to convict him? This bitch sounds like she shouldn't have even been on the jury with her emotional state. Her emotional state was clearly biased against Zimmerman.

[boutons_deux]

"What's with this woman saying she wanted to convict him?"

because she believed GZ murdered TM, but didn't have ENOUGH evidence for LEGAL "beyond a doubt"

in FL, you don't need EVIDENCE, just "faith-based" paranoia, to murder someone with SYG, but you DO NEED enough evidence to convict the SYG evidence of murder.

FL, and SYG states, are pro-murder, in the same way NRA, gun industry are pro gun crime.

[CosmicCowboy]

Fifteen Minutes of Fame, nothing more. She was more than likely paid to come on there and say something interesting.

[Trill Clinton]

Zimmerman juror B29: I owe Martin's parents an apology

Juror B29, who voted to acquit George Zimmerman, says she now feels he got away with murder but there wasn't enough evidence to convict him.


ORLANDO, Fla. — The second juror to speak publicly about George Zimmerman's trial tells ABC News she feels the neighborhood watch volunteer got away with murder for fatally shooting Trayvon Martin. But she says there wasn't enough evidence to convict him under Florida law.

Juror B29 told Robin Roberts in an interview made public Thursday that she favored convicting Zimmerman of second-degree murder when deliberations began. But by the second day of deliberating, she realized there wasn't enough proof to convict him of a crime.

Juror B29 is the second juror to go public with what went on during deliberations earlier this month. She allowed her face to be seen and used her first name, Maddy, unlike Juror B37, who was interviewed on CNN last week with her face obscured.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/ggg_zpsaa81096e.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/krakee/media/ggg_zpsaa81096e.jpg.html)

http://news.msn.com/us/zimmerman-juror-b29-i-owe-martins-parents-an-apology


what a dumb bitch.

[boobie4three]

what a dumb bitch.

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[Fabbs]

We'd stop rapping about selling drugs and killing niggas. The next time we saw a man beating a woman, we'd call for help or break it up, but one thing we would not do is stand by with our cellphones out -- yelling WORLDSTAR! Instead of rewarding kids for memorization, we'd reward them for independent and critical thinking.

[pgardn]

what a dumb bitch.

No surprise.

Typical wispy washy jurors selected through voir dire.
One big contradiction of a person after a few bucks.

[boutons_deux]

contradiction?

sounds honest to me. She thought Z murdered M, but evidence, like eye witnesses and M himself to counter Z's lies, was insufficient, missing for "beyond a doubt".

As with Bishop Gecko hiding his tax returns, where I can assume he's a serial felony tax evader of $10Ms in taxes, the lack of evidence and Z's numerous major lies allows me to assume he went after M with gun drawn.

The entire episode and acquittal is enabled by Confederate racist FL's "SYG shoot-the-niggas" laws.

[boutons_deux]

Zimmerman’s brother warns: Civil suit ‘might not be very flattering’ for Trayvon Martin’s familyRobert Zimmerman, whose younger brother George was acquitted for his role in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, told The Huffington Post on Friday (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/26/george-zimmerman-civil-lawsuit_n_3659826.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics) that a civil suit might lead to unpleasant facts coming to light about the Florida teenager’s family.

“A myriad of things that were off-limits in a criminal trial would come into play in a civil case,” Robert Zimmerman said in an email to the Post. “Specifically, things that might not be very flattering to Trayvon or his family.”


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/26/zimmermans-brother-warns-civil-suit-might-not-be-very-flattering-for-trayvon-martins-family/

terminal, genetic ignorant assholism is rampant in the Zimmermans.

[boobie4three]

Zimmerman’s brother warns: Civil suit ‘might not be very flattering’ for Trayvon Martin’s familyRobert Zimmerman, whose younger brother George was acquitted for his role in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, told The Huffington Post on Friday (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/26/george-zimmerman-civil-lawsuit_n_3659826.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics) that a civil suit might lead to unpleasant facts coming to light about the Florida teenager’s family.

“A myriad of things that were off-limits in a criminal trial would come into play in a civil case,” Robert Zimmerman said in an email to the Post. “Specifically, things that might not be very flattering to Trayvon or his family.”


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/26/zimmermans-brother-warns-civil-suit-might-not-be-very-flattering-for-trayvon-martins-family/

terminal, genetic ignorant assholism is rampant in the Zimmermans.

So what? You expect Zimm to just roll over if he continues to be persecuted? Get real.

[boobie4three]

Ted Nugent Dubs Next Tour 'Black Power 2013'
By Rolling Stone | Rolling Stone – Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:20 AM EST

That's one way to mark Black History Month: When Ted Nugent hits the road this year, he's calling his tour "Ted Nugent Black Power 2013," he writes on the conservative website World Net Daily.
In a column that describes "dirty Democrat politicians" as the enemies of black Americans, the right-wing rocker reels off a string of statistics he says demonstrate how ineffective Democratic policies, including Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal and Lyndon Johnson's Great Society, have been at helping African-Americans overcome poverty, crime and a lack of education.
A Pocket Guide to Republican Rockers

"The truth is that the Democratic Party has been the engineer of the destruction of black Americans, and everyone knows it except the very people who need to know it the most – black Americans," he writes.
Nugent, on the other hand, says he celebrates Black History Month "every day," because his "fire-breathing musical career was literally launched by black musical thundergods" including Bo Diddley, Little Richard, James Brown, Wilson Pickett and more.
"There is no doubt that my 2013 tour will be the best of my life," he writes. "With world-class virtuosos paying tribute to our black heroes nightly, it is only fitting that this year's tour is aptly titled, 'Ted Nugent Black Power 2013.' Say it loud: my music is black and I'm proud!"

Nugent hasn't been subtle about his dislike of Democrats, particularly President Obama. The rocker credited the president's re-election last year to "pimps, whores and welfare brats," and met with the Secret Service last year after describing his opposition to the president in violent terms. Nugent attended Obama's State of the Union speech earlier this month without incident.

http://music.yahoo.com/news/ted-nugent-dubs-next-tour-black-power-2013-132052262-rolling-stone.html

[boutons_deux]

So what? You expect Zimm to just roll over if he continues to be persecuted? Get real.

persecuted! :lol

What does M's family have to do with Z murdering M?

[Sportcamper]

What amazes me is how articulate and intelligent Robert Zimmerman is while George comes off like a complete cement head…

[pgardn]

contradiction?

sounds honest to me. She thought Z murdered M, but evidence, like eye witnesses and M himself to counter Z's lies, was insufficient, missing for "beyond a doubt".

As with Bishop Gecko hiding his tax returns, where I can assume he's a serial felony tax evader of $10Ms in taxes, the lack of evidence and Z's numerous major lies allows me to assume he went after M with gun drawn.

The entire episode and acquittal is enabled by Confederate racist FL's "SYG shoot-the-niggas" laws.

So why does she owe anyone an apology dumbass?

She needed to vote with what she felt, but not on the evidence?

She would hold out and vote differently? What the hell is she saying? A bunch of different things.

Wishy washy with a good dose of contradictions. You are so utterly blinded by bias your glasses need cataract surgery.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

What amazes me is how articulate and intelligent Robert Zimmerman is while George comes off like a complete cement head…

Same. Every reporter who's hoped they can interview Robert Zimmerman into a corner and make him look stupid has failed miserably at it.

[Nbadan]

She voted the way the State law is written but now what we have to determine is whether the State stand your ground law violates Federal Law...I think in this case, it might have...

[Wild Cobra]

I want to see a civil suit, so martin can be drug in the mud...

[Nbadan]

I want to see a civil suit, so martin can be drug in the mud...

Already happened in the press...shades of OJ..

[pgardn]

But Martin was armed with Skittles.

This automatically absolves one of the ability to do harm.

There is no doubt in my mind that black men in the US are treated differently in a variety of settings.
For so called Civil Rights leaders to try and prove the above using the faults of our legal system is stupidity.

The clear message, is if you are a young black man, and not a regular in a strange neighborhood, better be careful in gun toting States. This was obvious before this incident. The incident did bring to the forefront the obvious frustrations of African Americans in the US. To use the legal system as an example of why these frustrations persist is clearly NOT getting through to a vast majority of white people, but it does create a divide. So Big Al Sharpton stays in business.

[boutons_deux]

I want to see a civil suit, so martin can be drug in the mud...

why do you want Martin in the mud? all that matters about Martin is what he was doing when he was murdered. otoh, Z's history of arrests and fighting and profiling are extremely relevant.

[boobie4three]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/lemon1_zpsfec23c1b.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/krakee/media/lemon1_zpsfec23c1b.jpg.html)
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-don-lemon-backs-up-bill-oreilly-he-doesnt-go-far-enough-in-criticizing-black-culture/

CNN’s Don Lemon Backs Up Bill O’Reilly: ‘He Doesn’t Go Far Enough’ In Criticizing Black Culture
by Evan McMurry | 5:11 pm, July 27th, 2013

Bill O’Reilly’s remarks on race last week drew heavy criticism from Chris Hayes, Bill Maher, Al Sharpton, Larry Wilmore, and more, but one unlikely person is agreeing with him: CNN host Don Lemon.

Lemon addressed the wounds inflicted by black males onto their community on his “No Talking Points” segment Saturday afternoon, saying he was able to bring this up now that the George Zimmerman trial had concluded. Before the verdict, right wing media had consistently asked why the “liberal media” was fixating on Trayvon Martin while ignoring rampant black-on-black violence, a “deflection,” in Lemon’s words, from the injustices of the Martin shooting. But now that Zimmerman had been acquitted, it was time “for some tough love on the subject.”

Lemon played a clip of O’Reilly stating, “The reason there is so much violence and chaos in the black precincts is the disintegration of the African American family…Raised without much structure, young black men often reject education and gravitate towards the street culture, drugs, hustling, gangs. Nobody forces them to do that. Again, it is a personal decision.”

“Bill’s got a point,” Lemon said. “In fact, he’s got more than a point…In my estimation, he doesn’t go far enough.”



Lemon then listed five essential reforms black men need to make in their lives in order to improve themselves and their communities: hike up their pants, remove the n-word from their vocabulary, take care of their communities, finish high school, and lower the rate of children born out of wedlock.

“More than 72% of children in the African Americans are born out of wedlock,” Lemon said. “Studies show that lack of a male role model is an express train right to prison, and the cycle continues.”

“Please, pay attention to and think about what has been presented in recent history as aceptable behavior,” Lemon finished. “Pay close attention to the hip hop and rap culture that many of you embrace, a culture that glorifies everything I just mentioned, thug and reprehensible behavior, a culture that is making a lot of people rich—just not you. And it’s not going to.”

“That said, though, the political right is not off the hook.” Lemon played a clip of Kirsten Powers remarking on how convenient it was the conservative media only cares about black violence when they can use it to “stick it to the black community.”

Watch the segment here, via CNN:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCASEL9mUxM

[boobie4three]

Local
Posted: 4:09 p.m. Friday, Aug. 2, 2013
Zimmerman attorney details battle with prosecutors over evidence in murder trial


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. —

Mark O'Mara said his legal fight with the people who tried to convict George Zimmerman is not over.

On Friday, at a Tiger Bay Club luncheon in Orlando, O'Mara detailed the case that garnered national attention.

Mark O'Mara described the struggle he said he went through to get evidence from the prosecution team of Bernie De La Rionda and State Attorney Angela Corey.

He cited the picture of a bloodied Zimmerman, taken the night Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin, as an example.

"It is undeniable that they had a plan in mind, with the 15 months that we had to get ready, of keeping information from us, and I don't say that lightly, I really don't," O'Mara told the group.

A member of Corey's own team was fired and is now suing her office after he testified that prosecutors had kept evidence from O'Mara.

"You have this type of gamesmanship for the sole purpose of trying to deny a fair trial and, as it turned out, try to convict an innocent man," said O'Mara.

O'Mara has filed a motion that will be heard by Judge Debra Nelson.

He claims prosecutors purposely withheld evidence from him and the defense team.

Channel 9 has learned that O'Mara could go after Corey. She called Zimmerman a murderer on national television after the trial.

"He could bring civil action against Angela Corey for statement she made outside the courtroom. Also, he could file a grievance against her with the Florida Bar," WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said.

Sheaffer asked O'Mara whether he intends to drop the issue.

"I am not done with that motion. I'm not done with Angela Corey. And we are going to be seeing more of each other. We'll see how that turns out," said O'Mara. "This is because this is not supposed to be how we practice as lawyers."

Channel 9 contacted Corey's office for a response, but the call was not returned.



Video of Angela Corey calling Zimmerman a murderer at the link.

http://m.wftv.com/news/news/local/zimmerman-attorney-details-battle-prosecutors-over/nZCRH/

[Aztecfan03]

She voted the way the State law is written but now what we have to determine is whether the State stand your ground law violates Federal Law...I think in this case, it might have...

SYG didn't even matter in this case. In any state, if someone is attacking you can fight back. It's self-defense.

[MultiTroll]

Sheaffer asked O'Mara whether he intends to drop the issue.

"I am not done with that motion. I'm not done with Angela Corey. And we are going to be seeing more of each other. We'll see how that turns out," said O'Mara. "This is because this is not supposed to be how we practice as lawyers."

Channel 9 contacted Corey's office for a response, but the call was not returned.



Video of Angela Corey calling Zimmerman a murderer at the link.

http://m.wftv.com/news/news/local/zimmerman-attorney-details-battle-prosecutors-over/nZCRH/
:clap

[boutons_deux]

texts for each reason in the link

10 Reasons Lawyers Say Florida's Law Enforcement Threw Away George Zimmerman's Case


1. There was enough evidence to convict, despite biased police work.

2. The governor’s handpicked prosecutor enters with an agenda.“

3. No change of venue was demanded.

4. The early mishandling of the jury

5. There were no men on the jury.

6. The jury was improperly sequestered.

7. Missteps with the state’s witnesses.

8. More missteps with Zimmerman’s witnesses

9. Florida’s abysmal laws compounded the botched prosecution

10. Florida wanted to get rid of the case, not win it.


http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/10-reasons-lawyers-say-floridas-law-enforcement-threw-ryan-zimmermans-case-away?akid=10772.187590.m9Z3V7&rd=1&src=newsletter879185&t=3&paging=off

[Creepn]

texts for each reason in the link

10 Reasons Lawyers Say Florida's Law Enforcement Threw Away George Zimmerman's Case


1. There was enough evidence to convict, despite biased police work.

2. The governor’s handpicked prosecutor enters with an agenda.“

3. No change of venue was demanded.

4. The early mishandling of the jury

5. There were no men on the jury.

6. The jury was improperly sequestered.

7. Missteps with the state’s witnesses.

8. More missteps with Zimmerman’s witnesses

9. Florida’s abysmal laws compounded the botched prosecution

10. Florida wanted to get rid of the case, not win it.


http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/10-reasons-lawyers-say-floridas-law-enforcement-threw-ryan-zimmermans-case-away?akid=10772.187590.m9Z3V7&rd=1&src=newsletter879185&t=3&paging=off




I believe everything that was written in that link.

[boobie4three]

I believe everything that was written in that link.

Hey Creepn, I own the Brooklyn Bridge. No shit, I really do. And you know what? I'm going to sell it to you.....FOR $20. Yeah, I know, unbelievable right? Don't delay. Let's make it happen.

[TSA]

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/10-reasons-lawyers-say-floridas-law-enforcement-threw-ryan-zimmermans-case-away?akid=10772.187590.m9Z3V7&rd=1&src=newsletter879185&t=3&paging=off


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It is clear that the details of the Trayvon Martin case will not be forgotten by people who watched the trial or heard it described in detail by radio hosts such as Randi Rhodes, who understand how Florida’s legal system can be stacked in favor of white defendants

Or not..........


In fact, if all cases are taken into account, black defendants have a higher success rate in claiming stand your ground than do white defendants, and they attempt to claim stand your ground at higher rates.



http://news.yahoo.com/racial-bias-stand-ground-laws-data-show-125232533.html

[Wild Cobra]

#10 had to be correct.

Nobody who passes the bar can be that stupid.

[Nbadan]

http://www.bartcop.com/Zimmerman-brother-quote.jpg

[Trill Clinton]

George Zimmerman’s Wife Says He Has ‘Beaten Down Her Self Esteem’
(http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/08/george-zimmermans-wife-says-he-has-beaten-down-her-self-esteem/)


Aug 28, 2013 8:46pm
http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ABC_shellie_zimmerman_nt_130828_4x3_608.jpg ABC News

The Florida investigative journalist who is the first reporter to sit down with George Zimmerman’s wife, Shellie, said that during their “stunning” hourlong interview, the acquitted killer’s wife said that her husband has “beaten down her self-esteem,” but she is “looking forward to getting her life back.”

Christi O’Connor spoke with ABCNews.com today about her experience locking down an interview with Shellie Zimmerman as the media focused its attention on her husband, who was acquitted of second-degree murder charges in the death of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old, in Sanford, Fla., in February 2012.

Today, Shellie Zimmerman was sentenced to 100 hours of community service (http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-wife-takes-perjury-plea-deal/story?id=20093385) and one year’s probation, plus she will have to present an apology letter to the judge she lied to about the couple’s finances. O’Connor said that after months of courting her and her attorney, she was able to secure the interview with Shellie about her life leading up to and since her husband’s trial.

“When I asked her why she was doing [the interview], Shellie said, ‘I want to start my life back.’ George Zimmerman has beaten down her self-esteem,” O’Connor told ABCNews.com, adding that Shellie is using this opportunity for a new start. “She has a moment in the spotlight. She wants everyone to know that she changed her life.”

Shellie also told O’Connor that the aftermath of the shooting and months until the trial put a major strain on the couple’s relationship.

“It put great stress on their marriage,” she said. “Constantly having to move. She got threats. A lot of threats. She doesn’t want to reveal from who…. They are constantly living under fear of being attacked.”

O’Connor, who is working on a book about the George Zimmerman trial, also hinted that there was evidence that was mishandled, saying that during the sensational trial, “there were so many untruths told.”

“What the jury never heard could have led to a different verdict,” she said.

[Trill Clinton]

i'm gonna guess zimmerman's 'celebrity' status, love notes from female supporters and his wealth from the evil donations, gave him his opportunity to dump his wife and find him a new woman.

lol this fool is just an all around loser. domestic violence, fighting cops, magistrate judge daddy cleaning a felony off his record, killing unarmed kids, sleeping on his parents couch with his wife as a grown man and now this. he had his wife lie and put her freedom on the line and he repays her by tearing her apart and killing all of her confidence, smh. this dude only cares about himself.

[boobie4three]

i'm gonna guess zimmerman's 'celebrity' status, love notes from female supporters and his wealth from the evil donations, gave him his opportunity to dump his wife and find him a new woman.

lol this fool is just an all around loser. domestic violence, fighting cops, magistrate judge daddy cleaning a felony off his record, killing unarmed kids, sleeping on his parents couch with his wife as a grown man and now this. he had his wife lie and put her freedom on the line and he repays her by tearing her apart and killing all of her confidence, smh. this dude only cares about himself.

Here's the link. http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-wife-felt-court/story?id=20103462

These two quotes below you referenced in your post. I don't see them at the link.

George Zimmerman has beaten down her self-esteem

“What the jury never heard could have led to a different verdict,” she said.

[Trill Clinton]

boobie, you have selective reading. those quotes are there, doggie.

[boobie4three]

boobie, you have selective reading. those quotes are there, doggie.

I reread the article and even watched the video. Those references you made that "George Zimmerman has beaten down her self-esteem" and “What the jury never heard could have led to a different verdict,” she said., were nowhere to be found.

I hate to think you're making stuff up doggie.

[Trill Clinton]

boobie, stop deflecting. i stay 2 steps ahead of liars. the article i provided was made on 8/28 and written by ken dolak for ABC. the article you posted was written TODAY 08/29 by seni tienaboso. two different writers who gave two different stories.

at the bottom of the link you provided, there is a hyperlink for readers to read the original story, which i posted and you failed to read. boobie, i was born at night, not last night. http://i43.tinypic.com/314a6gi.png

[TSA]

[h=1]
Today, Shellie Zimmerman was sentenced to 100 hours of community service (http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-wife-takes-perjury-plea-deal/story?id=20093385) and one year’s probation, plus she will have to present an apology letter to the judge she lied to about the couple’s finances.

I wonder when Rachel Jeantel will be charged for perjury.

[Trill Clinton]

i can't wait to read her bookhttp://i39.tinypic.com/30bz6zl.png

[TSA]

i can't wait to read her bookhttp://i39.tinypic.com/30bz6zl.png

She'd have to be able to read first to write :lol

[Trill Clinton]

She'd have to be able to read first to write :lol


she can just tell her story to the co-author who will put the words on paper. this might be the only book from this trial with the goods.

[cantthinkofanything]

she can just tell her story to the co-author who will put the words on paper. this might be the only book from this trial with the goods.

Don't be so quick there Sparky. I'll probably write a book giving my thoughts and sharing my perspective on the Zimmerman self defense ordeal.

[Trill Clinton]

Don't be so quick there Sparky. I'll probably write a book giving my thoughts and sharing my perspective on the Zimmerman self defense ordeal.

let me write the foreword.

[TSA]

I hope it is written to include her speech impediment.

[Creepn]

I hope it is written to include her speech impediment.

Trayvon Martin didn't make fun of her impediment. Are you the thug?

[cantthinkofanything]

let me write the foreword.

Done. It will prove that I'm no racist.

[boutons_deux]

George Zimmerman Heads Back To Jail! Bond Revoked!!

Sources are reporting that George Zimmerman’s bond has been revoked by Seminole County Circuit Court judge because of evidence that he misrepresented his financial status for a lower bond, intentionally deceiving the court.

http://kysdc.com/2833316/george-zimmerman-heads-back-to-jail-bond-revoked/?omcamp=scribol&utm_source=scribol.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=scribol.com

but he told to truth to the police and to everyone else about murdering TM. :lol

[ploto]

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- George Zimmerman's wife has called police to her father's house, saying the former neighborhood watch volunteer who was acquitted of murder threatened her with a gun.

Lake Mary Police Chief Steve Bracknell says Shellie Zimmerman called police shortly after 2 p.m. Monday.

Bracknell says Zimmerman hasn't been arrested and officers are at the house trying to determine what happened.

Local media is reporting that Zimmerman has been taken into custody. A CNN affiliate quoted Lake Mary police spokesman Zach Hudson as saying, "As of right now, he (Zimmerman) has been placed in investigative detention."

http://www.kens5.com/news/George-Zimmerman-taken-into-custody-by-Florida-police-223009081.html

[Creepn]

LMAO.

Trayvon Martin the thug in jail how many times? Oh yeah, 0!

[George Gervin's Afro]

was she kicking his ass? was he defending himself?

[boutons_deux]

:lol Would be hee fucking larious if GZ would get killed by his wife claiming defense of FL SYG! :lol

[Michael Jordan.]

CosmicCowboy get the fuck in here

[Creepn]

:lol Would be hee fucking larious if GZ would get killed by his wife claiming defense of FL SYG! :lol

She would've gotten away with it if she felt threatened by him too.

[resistanze]

She was suspiciously changing her tampon, tbh. A man gotta investigate.

[AntiChrist]

Number of murders committed by GZ: still zero

[ChumpDumper]

Darrin can be counted upon to keep defending this piece of shit.

[AntiChrist]

Darrin can be counted upon to keep defending this piece of shit.


Dude may be a scumbag, but he's not a murderer.

[Trill Clinton]

:wakeup

in b4 his excuse was she was wearing a hoodie

[ChumpDumper]

Z is still Darrin's hero.

[Trill Clinton]

She was suspiciously changing her tampon, tbh. A man gotta investigate.


lmao! she looked like she was on drugs when she was cooking breakfast. it wasn't until she skipped to the bathroom to change her tampon is when he decided he wouldn't let her get away with it this time.

[resistanze]

lmao! she looked like she was on drugs when she was cooking breakfast. it wasn't until she skipped to the bathroom to change her tampon is when he decided he wouldn't let her get away with it this time.

these fucking bishes always get away

[Trill Clinton]

these fucking bishes always get away

mmhmm, i'm sure his threat to shoot her was in self defense. she was probably under the influence of some fire ass lean and sucker punched him. there is no way this hero would threaten to shoot a woman, no way.

[Trill Clinton]

chilling 911 call

http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/raw-shellie-zimmermans-call-to-911/vCB4dr/

[Fabbs]

chilling :rolleyes

she sounds quite calm. Almost rehearsed.

[boutons_deux]

not the first time outside expert opinions said FL didn't want to win the case

Trayvon Martin's Medical Examiner: Prosecution Threw the Case

Dr. Shiping Bao, the Volusia County medical examiner who was in charge of handling slain-teenager Trayvon Martin's body in February 2012, has come out and claimed that the prosecution team was biased against the African-American teenager, and intentionally lost the case. According to Bao's attorney, Willie Gary, the medical examiner's office, the state attorney's office and the Sanford Police's "general attitude was that [Martin] got what he deserved. He was in essence told to zip his lips. 'Shut up. Don't say those things.'" Dr. Bao is speaking out in the wake of having been fired from the m.e.'s office, and is planning a $100 million lawsuit against the State of Florida.

According to the former assistant coroner, the results of Martin's autopsy clearly showed that, despite Zimmerman's statements regarding their altercation, there was no feasible way for Martin to have been on top of Zimmerman when the gun was fired, because the bullet entered Martin's back.

Bao claims that the prosecution never actually asked him the questions that were crucial to the success in the case, and that he changed his opinion from the time he initially examined Martin and the time he was on the stand. Bao and his attorney say they believe he was fired for questioning the way the case was handled, and possibly for not going long with the desired narrative.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/trayvon-martins-medical-examiner-prosecution-threw-case?akid=10922.187590.wq2IE2&rd=1&src=newsletter895836&t=5

[TSA]

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Bao claims that the prosecution never actually asked him the questions that were crucial to the success in the case, and that he changed his opinion from the time he initially examined Martin and the time he was on the stand.

:lmao

Is this guy saying he changed his opinion on which side the entry/exit wound was on?

[AntiChrist]

not the first time outside expert opinions said FL didn't want to win the case

Trayvon Martin's Medical Examiner: Prosecution Threw the Case

Dr. Shiping Bao, the Volusia County medical examiner who was in charge of handling slain-teenager Trayvon Martin's body in February 2012, has come out and claimed that the prosecution team was biased against the African-American teenager, and intentionally lost the case. According to Bao's attorney, Willie Gary, the medical examiner's office, the state attorney's office and the Sanford Police's "general attitude was that [Martin] got what he deserved. He was in essence told to zip his lips. 'Shut up. Don't say those things.'" Dr. Bao is speaking out in the wake of having been fired from the m.e.'s office, and is planning a $100 million lawsuit against the State of Florida.

According to the former assistant coroner, the results of Martin's autopsy clearly showed that, despite Zimmerman's statements regarding their altercation, there was no feasible way for Martin to have been on top of Zimmerman when the gun was fired, because the bullet entered Martin's back.

Bao claims that the prosecution never actually asked him the questions that were crucial to the success in the case, and that he changed his opinion from the time he initially examined Martin and the time he was on the stand. Bao and his attorney say they believe he was fired for questioning the way the case was handled, and possibly for not going long with the desired narrative.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/trayvon-martins-medical-examiner-prosecution-threw-case?akid=10922.187590.wq2IE2&rd=1&src=newsletter895836&t=5




lol, alternet
lol, moonbat boutons

[boutons_deux]

lol, alternet
lol, moonbat boutons

I report, you GFY

[boutons_deux]

In Email, Zimmerman’s Local Police Chief Agrees He’s Another ‘Sandy Hook’ Waiting To Happen (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/12/2611711/george-zimmermans-local-police-chief-fears-sandy-hook-waiting-happen/)

Police Chief Steve Bracknell, who is responsible for the Florida town where George Zimmerman resides, agreed in a series of emails that Zimmerman is a “ticking time bomb” and another “Sandy Hook” waiting to happen.

Bracknell expressed his views in response to two emails from Santiago Rodriguez, who reached Bracknell through a contact form on the police department’s website. Bracknell confirmed the emails’ authenticity to ThinkProgress and subsequently tried to distance himself from the remarks.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/12/2611711/george-zimmermans-local-police-chief-fears-sandy-hook-waiting-happen/

[Trill Clinton]

smh@ all these people speaking up after the fact.

[CosmicCowboy]

not the first time outside expert opinions said FL didn't want to win the case

Trayvon Martin's Medical Examiner: Prosecution Threw the Case

Dr. Shiping Bao, the Volusia County medical examiner who was in charge of handling slain-teenager Trayvon Martin's body in February 2012, has come out and claimed that the prosecution team was biased against the African-American teenager, and intentionally lost the case. According to Bao's attorney, Willie Gary, the medical examiner's office, the state attorney's office and the Sanford Police's "general attitude was that [Martin] got what he deserved. He was in essence told to zip his lips. 'Shut up. Don't say those things.'" Dr. Bao is speaking out in the wake of having been fired from the m.e.'s office, and is planning a $100 million lawsuit against the State of Florida.

According to the former assistant coroner, the results of Martin's autopsy clearly showed that, despite Zimmerman's statements regarding their altercation, there was no feasible way for Martin to have been on top of Zimmerman when the gun was fired, because the bullet entered Martin's back.

Bao claims that the prosecution never actually asked him the questions that were crucial to the success in the case, and that he changed his opinion from the time he initially examined Martin and the time he was on the stand. Bao and his attorney say they believe he was fired for questioning the way the case was handled, and possibly for not going long with the desired narrative.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/trayvon-martins-medical-examiner-prosecution-threw-case?akid=10922.187590.wq2IE2&rd=1&src=newsletter895836&t=5





:lmao

That shit is almost too stupid to even respond to. They had bunches of pictures of the wound entered into evidence. Are you saying they photoshopped nipples and chest hair on his back?

[TSA]

:lmao

That shit is almost too stupid to even respond to. They had bunches of pictures of the wound entered into evidence. Are you saying they photoshopped nipples and chest hair on his back?

Notice how boutons fleed the scene when questioned. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

That shit is almost too stupid to even respond to. They had bunches of pictures of the wound entered into evidence. Are you saying they photoshopped nipples and chest hair on his back?Was it a through and through?

Just asking since the lawyer talk is real, though this source says nothing about the wound details.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/trayvon-martins-medical-examiner-who-testified-geo/nZsH3/

[boutons_deux]

Notice how boutons fleed the scene when questioned. :lol

nobody questioned me. All I did was post a news item.

notice how tsa gun fellator is full of bullshit.

[Creepn]

Heard on the radio yesterday that the coroner said Trayvon Martin was shot in the back. I just smh.

All of this cover up surrounding this case is pretty sad.

[ChumpDumper]

The final report said the bullet stayed in his body, though it differs from the preliminary report that said the bullet was fired from an intermediate range.

Weird stuff.

[Trill Clinton]

looks like zimmerman hasn't even paid his lawyer fees. what did he do with all that money CC and boobie4three sent to him?

During a press conference following Monday's incident, O'Mara said "Pay me" when asked if he had any advice for his client, ABC reported (http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-lawyer-quits/story?id=20212533)

[Wild Cobra]

not the first time outside expert opinions said FL didn't want to win the case

Trayvon Martin's Medical Examiner: Prosecution Threw the Case

Dr. Shiping Bao, the Volusia County medical examiner who was in charge of handling slain-teenager Trayvon Martin's body in February 2012, has come out and claimed that the prosecution team was biased against the African-American teenager, and intentionally lost the case. According to Bao's attorney, Willie Gary, the medical examiner's office, the state attorney's office and the Sanford Police's "general attitude was that [Martin] got what he deserved. He was in essence told to zip his lips. 'Shut up. Don't say those things.'" Dr. Bao is speaking out in the wake of having been fired from the m.e.'s office, and is planning a $100 million lawsuit against the State of Florida.

According to the former assistant coroner, the results of Martin's autopsy clearly showed that, despite Zimmerman's statements regarding their altercation, there was no feasible way for Martin to have been on top of Zimmerman when the gun was fired, because the bullet entered Martin's back.

Bao claims that the prosecution never actually asked him the questions that were crucial to the success in the case, and that he changed his opinion from the time he initially examined Martin and the time he was on the stand. Bao and his attorney say they believe he was fired for questioning the way the case was handled, and possibly for not going long with the desired narrative.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/trayvon-martins-medical-examiner-prosecution-threw-case?akid=10922.187590.wq2IE2&rd=1&src=newsletter895836&t=5




Another person who will have their 15 minutes of fame, who is just looking for a payday.

[TSA]

nobody questioned me. All I did was post a news item.

notice how tsa gun fellator is full of bullshit.
You and your article are full of bullshit.


I questioned you in the post immediately following your article.


Is this guy saying he changed his opinion on which side the entry/exit wound was on?

[CosmicCowboy]

looks like zimmerman hasn't even paid his lawyer fees. what did he do with all that money CC and boobie4three sent to him?

During a press conference following Monday's incident, O'Mara said "Pay me" when asked if he had any advice for his client, ABC reported (http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-lawyer-quits/story?id=20212533)



GFY

You know I didn't send that POS money.

Why do you post such crap?

[boutons_deux]

You and your article are full of bullshit.


I questioned you in the post immediately following your article.

question the medical examiner.

why question me about what he said, unless you're full of bullshit?

[Trill Clinton]

GFY

You know I didn't send that POS money.

Why do you post such crap?


the way you defended him and made fun of a dead kid tells me otherwise. i'm guessing you donated at least a grand to that coward.

[CosmicCowboy]

the way you defended him and made fun of a dead kid tells me otherwise. i'm guessing you donated at least a grand to that coward.

I'm not guessing.

I KNOW you are a fucking idiot.

[Creepn]

I'm not guessing.

I KNOW you are a fucking idiot.

If you think about it -

Millionaire + Gun Nut + Zim Fellatio + Racist = Zimmerman Club Donator

[CosmicCowboy]

If you think about it -

Millionaire + Gun Nut + Zim Fellatio + Racist = Zimmerman Club Donator

Your little gang clearly has reading comprehension issues.

I've said from the start I thought Zimmerman was an asshole.

I also said from the start that based on the evidence there was no way in hell he was getting convicted of murder.

You black bitches just couldn't take your racist blinders off and see that.

I was right.

You were wrong.

SUCK IT!

[Trill Clinton]

You black bitches just couldn't take your racist blinders off and see that.

I was right.

You were wrong.

SUCK IT!

racist

[Creepn]

racist

lol That's one criteria confirmed fullfilled. Judging from that ghetto carpet he has, can't tell for sure if he's a confirmed millionaire tbh.

[CosmicCowboy]

racist

Fuck you.

I'm sick of your shit. You want to make everything black and white. I'm just identifying your team, bitch. This is 2013. You aren't an oppressed minority anymore. Grow the fuck up and take responsibility for being a man and quit whining about how bad your great great great granddaddy had it.

[CosmicCowboy]

lol That's one criteria confirmed fullfilled. Judging from that ghetto carpet he has, can't tell for sure if he's a confirmed millionaire tbh.

Wasn't even carpet you ignorant fuck. But I'm sure you are styling like a richer in your rent to own furniture.

That was the breakfast table I raised my kids at and now my grandkids. My dog sleeps on that bench and waits for me to come home. I like it. Keep making fun of it.

Unlike you I don't have to put on nigga rich airs.

[Trill Clinton]

lol That's one criteria confirmed fullfilled. Judging from that ghetto carpet he has, can't tell for sure if he's a confirmed millionaire tbh.

:lol

naw he's not a millionaire, not with that decor anyways. but if he is, then its sad that he hops online being racist towards blacks when he could do some charitable work in the inner city. bill gates can teach him a thing or two.

[Trill Clinton]

Fuck you.

I'm sick of your shit. You want to make everything black and white. I'm just identifying your team, bitch. This is 2013. You aren't an oppressed minority anymore. Grow the fuck up and take responsibility for being a man and quit whining about how bad your great great great granddaddy had it.


what da hell are you talking about? my life is good and my family is great, what whining are you talking about? YOU made this a black/white thing, i never said anything racist, YOU did.

and i know what year it is and its sad there are still people like you with the mind of a caveman, stuck in the 40's. chill with the racism.

[CosmicCowboy]

what da hell are you talking about? my life is good and my family is great, what whining are you talking about? YOU made this a black/white thing, i never said anything racist, YOU did.

and i know what year it is and its sad there are still people like you with the mind of a caveman, stuck in the 40's. chill with the racism.

LOL GFY racist bitch. Practically every post you make is about black vs white.

Only time you aren't posting racist shit is when you are bragging about fucking "white bitches".

Whats wrong? Those "black bitches" just don't do it for you?

[Trill Clinton]

LOL GFY racist bitch. Practically every post you make is about black vs white.

Only time you aren't posting racist shit is when you are bragging about fucking "white bitches".

Whats wrong? Those "black bitches" just don't do it for you?

every post i make is not racist, stop it. but whenever me or creepn call you out, you respond with a racist comment. i don't do that, if i'm racist its toward a white guy who molests kids or kills innocent people and please quote where i brag about fucking white bitches lol.

[Wild Cobra]

If you think about it -

Millionaire + Gun Nut + Zim Fellatio + Racist = Zimmerman Club Donator

Is that the edimacation they give in the ghetto these days?

[Wild Cobra]

Fuck you.

I'm sick of your shit. You want to make everything black and white. I'm just identifying your team, bitch. This is 2013. You aren't an oppressed minority anymore. Grow the fuck up and take responsibility for being a man and quit whining about how bad your great great great granddaddy had it.
He will never be a man. He;s too busy as a crying child saying the dog ate his homework (it's the white man's fault.)

[Wild Cobra]

:lol

naw he's not a millionaire, not with that decor anyways. but if he is, then its sad that he hops online being racist towards blacks when he could do some charitable work in the inner city. bill gates can teach him a thing or two.
According to the liberals who want to tax millionaires more, I'll bet he is.

[boutons_deux]

No More Guns For Neighborhood Watch In Sanford, Fla.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/10/31/242076848/no-more-guns-for-neighborhood-watch-in-sanford-fla?sc=17&f=1001

[boobie4three]

No More Guns For Neighborhood Watch In Sanford, Fla.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/10/31/242076848/no-more-guns-for-neighborhood-watch-in-sanford-fla?sc=17&f=1001



All the thugs are glad to hear this.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/gun-free-zone-cLR.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/krakee/media/gun-free-zone-cLR.jpg.html)

[clambake]

zim is a thug.

[Bill_Brasky]

i hope zimmerman gets fucking shot and killed by some little thug. fuckin faggot seeks it out. you go looking for trouble you'll find it.

[boutons_deux]

All the thugs are glad to hear this.

you gun fellators are the accomplices that armed the thugs,

[TSA]

you gun fellators are the accomplices that armed the thugs,

Since I drink beer am I also responsible for those who commit DUI's?

[boutons_deux]

Since I drink beer am I also responsible for those who commit DUI's?

:lol gun fellator logic! Hilarious!

[Trill Clinton]

George Zimmerman juror: Trial ruined my life

A juror in the George Zimmerman trial tells "Inside Edition" that her life was ruined by the trial because she lost friends and a full-time nursing home job.

Juror B-29, who was identified as Maddy during interviews with ABC, says she has received death threats. She reveals that her family is close to being evicted from her four-bedroom home in Seminole County.

"Emotionally, mentally, physically, I'm so drained," Maddy tells "Inside Edition." "I can't stop thinking about the case. I have a heart."

The interview airs at 4:30 and 7:30 p.m. today on WKMG-Channel 6.

Maddy says she questions whether she was right to acquit Zimmerman in the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin. She says she has followed reports on Zimmerman since the trial ended this summer.

"We all know who's guilty," she says. "George Zimmerman thinks he didn't do anything wrong."

Maddy discusses the personal toll. "I got to hold the gun that killed this boy. I saw pictures I didn't need to see," she says.

"Inside Edition" tours Maddy's home, which is practically empty, and captures the gas company delivering a disconnect notice.

She is especially shaken by the death threats.

"On Facebook someone wrote that I'm going to feel the same pain as Trayvon Martin's mom ... meaning I'm going to lose my son," Maddy says. "All this blame was put on me. No one's looking at George Zimmerman. He's the one who killed the child. George Zimmerman should be the one to blame for this."

[boobie4three]

George Zimmerman juror: Trial ruined my life

A juror in the George Zimmerman trial tells "Inside Edition" that her life was ruined by the trial because she lost friends and a full-time nursing home job.

Juror B-29, who was identified as Maddy during interviews with ABC, says she has received death threats. She reveals that her family is close to being evicted from her four-bedroom home in Seminole County.

"Emotionally, mentally, physically, I'm so drained," Maddy tells "Inside Edition." "I can't stop thinking about the case. I have a heart."

The interview airs at 4:30 and 7:30 p.m. today on WKMG-Channel 6.

Maddy says she questions whether she was right to acquit Zimmerman in the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin. She says she has followed reports on Zimmerman since the trial ended this summer.

"We all know who's guilty," she says. "George Zimmerman thinks he didn't do anything wrong."

Maddy discusses the personal toll. "I got to hold the gun that killed this boy. I saw pictures I didn't need to see," she says.

"Inside Edition" tours Maddy's home, which is practically empty, and captures the gas company delivering a disconnect notice.

She is especially shaken by the death threats.

"On Facebook someone wrote that I'm going to feel the same pain as Trayvon Martin's mom ... meaning I'm going to lose my son," Maddy says. "All this blame was put on me. No one's looking at George Zimmerman. He's the one who killed the child. George Zimmerman should be the one to blame for this."




This woman is an idiot. That is all.

[Trill Clinton]

yea she is. i hope she burns in hell.

[AntiChrist]

i hope zimmerman gets fucking shot and killed by some little thug. fuckin faggot seeks it out. you go looking for trouble you'll find it.


yea she is. i hope she burns in hell.


Wow, you guys are too emotionally invested in this case.

[Trill Clinton]

Wow, you guys are too emotionally invested in this case.

so?

[AntiChrist]

so?


Just an observation

[Creepn]

Maddy says. "All this blame was put on me. No one's looking at George Zimmerman. He's the one who killed the child. George Zimmerman should be the one to blame for this."

Is she serious right now? Is she serious? Wow what an idiot. Gotta give O'Mara props on the jury selection. Just pick the people who are dumb enough to acquit a known liar.

[CosmicCowboy]

All that jury did was correctly interpret Florida law. Lots of butthurt in here.

[Trill Clinton]

i admit i am butthurt behind these racist laws. i hope my little brothers never get put in a situation like this.

[AntiChrist]

i admit i am butthurt behind these racist laws. i hope my little brothers never get put in a situation like this.

Just tell them not to go MMA on someone who is armed, and they'll be ok.

[Trill Clinton]

Just tell them not to go MMA on someone who is armed, and they'll be ok.


riiiight. i did tell them if a creepy stranger is following them, to call 911. if that person is still following them and they feel threatened, then they have the right to defend themselves.

[AntiChrist]

riiiight. i did tell them if a creepy stranger is following them, to call 911. if that person is still following them and they feel threatened, then they have the right to defend themselves.


Just don't be the aggressor.

[Trill Clinton]

Just don't be the aggressor.

thanks for the advice. i'll pass that on.

[boutons_deux]

All that jury did was correctly interpret Florida law. Lots of butthurt in here.


"Florida law" aka "kill the n!gg@s law"

In FL if you stand your ground with your fists, you deserve to be murdered by the aggressor with a gun.

What if TM, who felt "reasonably threatened", had shot aggressor GZ, would he able to use FL SYG law (probably not, n!gg@s ain't got no "shoot the wetbacks law")?

[AntiChrist]

"Florida law" aka "kill the n!gg@s law"

In FL if you stand your ground with your fists, you deserve to be murdered by the aggressor with a gun.

What if TM, who felt "reasonably threatened", had shot aggressor GZ, would he able to use FL SYG law (probably not, n!gg@s ain't got no "shoot the wetbacks law")?


You're such a spaz. :lol

[Trill Clinton]

hey guys, i'll be making a kendrick johnson thread in a few days and starting the #justiceforkendrick campaign. its involves a 3 sport athlete(black kid) who was found deceased in his school gym. the white sheriff and police department said it was an accidental death due to suffocation. his family didn't belive that and ordered an independent autopsy, surprise surprise, he died from blunt force to the head or neck and the feds are now investigating. should make for some good discussion:toast

[Fabbs]

George Zimmerman juror: Trial ruined my lifeher life was ruined by the trial because she lost friends and a full-time nursing home job.

Could be a blessing in disguise.
Did she get paid by Inside Edition for the interview? I hope so.
I'll send her some cash for her jury duty.

[boutons_deux]

who was found deceased in his school gym.

I read that his body was rolled up in an exercise mat, like an enchilada. What an ethnically sensitive way to self-asphyxiate accidentally.

[boobie4three]

I read that his body was rolled up in an exercise mat, like an enchilada. What an ethnically sensitive way to self-asphyxiate accidentally.

Sounds like you're not down with the notion that whitey did him in. You just got on Trill's shit list buddy.

[Fabbs]

hey guys, i'll be making a kendrick johnson thread in a few days and starting the #justiceforkendrick campaign. its involves a 3 sport athlete(black kid) who was found deceased in his school gym. the white sheriff and police department said it was an accidental death due to suffocation. his family didn't belive that and ordered an independent autopsy, surprise surprise, he died from blunt force to the head or neck and the feds are now investigating. should make for some good discussion:toast
Ok but be sure to stay in your coon doggie ruse.
You made another post recently that you slipped up and were not doing ebonics.

Or is this troll run by multiple people?

[Trill Clinton]

Ok but be sure to stay in your coon doggie ruse.
You made another post recently that you slipped up and were not doing ebonics.

Or is this troll run by multiple people?

you got me. i'm actually a 65 year old white male.

[Trill Clinton]

the child killer is at it again lol. dude loves to pick on women and children.

George Zimmerman Left Wife, Shellie, Bullet-Riddled Target As Threat: ReportThe estranged wife of George Zimmerman says he nailed a bullet-filled target (http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/10/george-zimmerman-photo-marksman-target-for-estranged-wife-shellie-inside-home-divorce-dispute/) to the wall of her home as a "subliminal message."
Shellie Zimmerman, 26, filed for divorce in September (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/05/george-zimmerman-shellie-zimmerman-divorce_n_3876034.html), less than two months after George Zimmerman was found not guilty (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/13/george-zimmerman-not-guilty_n_3588743.html) of second-degree murder after he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in 2012.
Days later, Shellie Zimmerman called 911 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/10/shellie-zimmerman-will-not-press-charges-george-zimmerman_n_3898778.html), stating that her husband was threatening her and her father with a gun, and that he punched her father in the nose.
She later stated that she never actually saw a gun, and decided not to press charges.
Wednesday, Radar Online obtained a photo (http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/10/george-zimmerman-photo-marksman-target-for-estranged-wife-shellie-inside-home-divorce-dispute/) of the bullet-riddled target that Shellie Zimmerman claims George left in their living room in late September, shortly after she asked him to get his things and move out.
“At the time, Shellie was in New York, appearing on the 'Today' show," a source told Radar Online. The source says that when Shellie returned to Lake Mary, Fla., "she went over to the house and discovered the target with bullet holes in various quadrants."
Shellie reportedly sent the photo to her lawyer, stating, "Look at the subliminal message George sent me." As another source pointed out to Radar Online, "It’s really not that subliminal. A not-so subtle message, I think. It was clearly a threat.”
Shellie Zimmerman's lawyer would not comment on the target when Radar Online contacted him.
"This person that I'm married to that I'm divorcing, I've kind of realized now that I don't know him," Zimmerman told Matt Lauer on the 'Today' show. "And I really don't know what he's capable of (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/26/wife-says-george-zimmerma_0_n_3994984.html)."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/31/george-zimmerman-target-bullet-wife-shelli_n_4181669.html

[boobie4three]

Of course we should always believe bitter participants in a divorce proceeding. :rolleyes

[Wild Cobra]

All that jury did was correctly interpret Florida law. Lots of butthurt in here.
The liberal butthurt never stops. Remember when the Supreme Court told Florida petitioners it had to follow Florida election law?

[Nbadan]

Remember when the Supreme Court told Florida petitioners it had to follow Florida election law?

The Supreme court stopped a legal state recount which proved that Gore would have won Florida..

[xmas1997]

Steroids

[DeadlyDynasty]

Steroids

huh?

[TSA]

https://amp.dailycaller.com/2019/12/04/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-100-million-fraud-diamond-rachel?__twitter_impression=true

Holy shit. The prosecution used a fake Trayvon girlfriend during the trial. Holy shit.

[spurraider21]

https://amp.dailycaller.com/2019/12/04/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-100-million-fraud-diamond-rachel?__twitter_impression=true

Holy shit. The prosecution used a fake Trayvon girlfriend during the trial. Holy shit.
according to zimmerman's complaint, sure

[TSA]

according to zimmerman's complaint, sure

Looks to be more than just Zimmerman claiming this

In this stunning work of investigative journalism, filmmaker Joel Gilbert uncovers the true story of the shooting of Trayvon Martin, a case that divided America. By examining Trayvon’s 750-page phone records, Gilbert discovers that Rachel Jeantel, the key witness whose testimony led to the prosecution of George Zimmerman, was a fraud. Gilbert's research takes him to the high schools of Miami Gardens, into the back alleys of Little Haiti, and finally to Florida State University where he finds Trayvon's real girlfriend, Diamond Eugene, the girl who actually was on the phone with Trayvon in his final minutes. Gilbert confirms his revelations with forensic handwriting analysis and DNA testing.

https://www.thetrayvonhoax.com/

I'll admit to not having read the book but looking back on the bizarre testimony of Trayvon's "girlfriend" it makes too much sense.

[RandomGuy]

https://amp.dailycaller.com/2019/12/04/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-100-million-fraud-diamond-rachel?__twitter_impression=true

Holy shit. The prosecution used a fake Trayvon girlfriend during the trial. Holy shit.


Oh yes, and would you believe that, by sheer coincidence, the lawsuit is based on claims in a book and "documentary" movie with the compelling title The Trayvon Hoax: Unmasking the Witness Fraud That Divided America, released in September.
And the lawsuit is being flogged to media outlets by the movie's director, Joel Gilbert, who's described by the Daily Beast as "a fringe filmmaker who traffics in conspiracy theories." You don't say!

https://www.wonkette.com/george-zimmerman-larry-klayman-sue-trayvon-martins-family


Joel Gilbert (born April 15, 1964) is an American filmmaker, musician, and conspiracy theorist.[1][2] Gilbert's political films advance right-wing conspiracy theories.[1][2][3][4] He has been a frequent guest on InfoWars.[5] :wow


Gilbert produced several films on Bob Dylan. He released the films Paul McCartney Really Is Dead: The Last Testament of George Harrison (2010), and Elvis Found Alive (2012) as documentaries, each exploring a conspiracy theory about the musicians' earthly states. In 2012, he re-classified them as mockumentaries.[6]

In 2012, Gilbert released Dreams from My Real Father, which detailed his conspiracy theory regarding US President Barack Obama's biological father. The film was critically panned for its unsubstantiated allegations.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Gilbert

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um... yeah.

TSA, look out for that.. oh never mind.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-11-2015/A-urla.gif (/gif/sideshow-bob-stepping-on-rakes-A-urla)

[RandomGuy]

Looks to be more than just Zimmerman claiming this

In this stunning work of investigative journalism, filmmaker Joel Gilbert uncovers the true story of the shooting of Trayvon Martin, a case that divided America. By examining Trayvon’s 750-page phone records, Gilbert discovers that Rachel Jeantel, the key witness whose testimony led to the prosecution of George Zimmerman, was a fraud. Gilbert's research takes him to the high schools of Miami Gardens, into the back alleys of Little Haiti, and finally to Florida State University where he finds Trayvon's real girlfriend, Diamond Eugene, the girl who actually was on the phone with Trayvon in his final minutes. Gilbert confirms his revelations with forensic handwriting analysis and DNA testing.

https://www.thetrayvonhoax.com/

I'll admit to not having read the book but looking back on the bizarre testimony of Trayvon's "girlfriend" it makes too much sense.


How serious is this lawsuit? Every bit as serious as any other Larry Klayman joint, like when he sued Barack Obama, Louis Farrakhan, Eric Holder, Al Sharpton and Black Lives Matter for causing a race war and killing those cops in Dallas in 2016, or when he sued Robert Mueller for being mean to fellow wingnut conspiracy goof Dr. Jerome Corsi, Ph.D., or when he sued Hillary Clinton for murdering Benghazi, or that time he "convened" a "grand jury" that "indicted" "Obama," amid other great successes.

:lmao

[RandomGuy]

Pizzagate part two, the Trayvoning

:rollin


TSA be like:

https://media.giphy.com/media/iWpSXsYqwRqmI/giphy.gif

[RandomGuy]

Ah, but what about this brilliant documentarian and investigator, Joel Gilbert? The Source of All Knowledge notes he got his start making four exhaustively fannish documentaries about Bob Dylan (reviewers: "unexceptional, sometimes amateurish," and viewers might be "hard-pressed to find a more irritatingly edited project"). After that, Gilbert plunged into rock conspiracy flicks with films titled Paul McCartney Really Is Dead: The Last Testament of George Harrison (2011) and Elvis Found Alive (2012). Gilbert retroactively labeled both "mockumentaries" after he released the film that made him a minor star among rightwingers, 2012's Dreams From My Real Father, in which Gilbert pushed the notion that Barack Obama was really the love child of commie pinko black revolutionary Frank Marshall Davis, who groomed Barry from an early age to lead the communist revolution in the USA. (The Daily Beast notes, "Gilbert accounted for the two men's lack of physical similarities by claiming Obama had plastic surgery to hide his link to Davis.")

Gosh, it's almost as if there's some kind of theme running through his movies, if only we could pick it out. We'll have to ask our genetically engineered body double.

https://www.wonkette.com/george-zimmerman-larry-klayman-sue-trayvon-martins-family

:rollin

[spurraider21]

"in a stunning work of investigative journalism"

:lol det self fellatio

[Spurtacular]

https://amp.dailycaller.com/2019/12/04/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-100-million-fraud-diamond-rachel?__twitter_impression=true

Holy shit. The prosecution used a fake Trayvon girlfriend during the trial. Holy shit.

That was being reported back then too, tbh.

[RandomGuy]

https://media.giphy.com/media/iWpSXsYqwRqmI/giphy.gif


:lol

[TSA]

https://www.wonkette.com/george-zimmerman-larry-klayman-sue-trayvon-martins-family



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Gilbert

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um... yeah.

TSA, look out for that.. oh never mind.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-11-2015/A-urla.gif (/gif/sideshow-bob-stepping-on-rakes-A-urla)

Laugh all you want the guy literally found and met with Trayvon's real girlfriend

https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2019/12/04/01-Bae_Brit_Diamond-600x348.jpg

https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2019/12/04/06-Diamond_Lady_Justice-600x338.jpg

Crump had Diamond affirm that after learning of Martin’s death, she was so sick that she couldn’t attend his wake and had to be taken to a hospital and had spent the night there, missing the funeral too.

That didn’t square with Diamond’s tweets from those days, Gilbert pointed out. She was tweeting about craving donuts, going to China Town to order food, as well as meeting her (other) boyfriend.

“Why Everybody Want Ihop? Dennys Wayyyy Better [sic]!” she wrote on the day of Martin’s funeral.

Comparing pictures of Diamond from Martin’s phone with high school yearbook photos, Gilbert found Diamond’s real name—Brittany Diamond Eugene.

Aided by public records made available through services such as Instant Checkmate, he was able to find her relatives, the address where she lived, her social media, and, eventually, her online boutique. By making a sizable order from her store, he was able to set up a meeting in person, which allowed him to obtain a voice sample. By having her write and seal in envelopes several greeting cards, he also obtained handwriting and DNA samples.

Her voice matched the one on the call with Crump; her writing matched the word “Eugene” in the signature on the letter to Fulton; her personality matched the girl Gilbert knew from Martin’s texts; and her DNA proved with higher than 99 percent probability that she was a half-sister of Rachel Jeantel, whose DNA sample Gilbert obtained from her trash.
Rachel Jeantel

The last time Diamond went on record regarding the case was on March 29, 2012. After many calls and texts, ABC’s Gutman was finally able to land a phone interview with her that day. They spoke for 49 minutes, but ABC has only ever aired a few minutes of the interview.

Three days later, prosecutors went to interview Diamond themselves. Fulton took them to Diamond’s address, but the person who answered the door sent them to a different address, case files indicate. Upon arrival at the second address, they asked for Diamond. The person who came to the door was Jeantel.

Jeantel was nothing like the girl Martin was exchanging sexual messages with. She was perhaps 100 pounds heavier than him, two years older, and due to her learning disability was reading at a third- or perhaps a fourth-grade level. At 18, she was still in the ninth grade.

She was claiming to be the one on the phone with Martin. In her subsequent testimony, Jeantel said she was just pretending to be a 16-year-old for “privacy” reasons and that Diamond was her nickname.

In a March 2013 deposition, she mentioned that she gave Fulton a letter. This was the first time the defense learned of the letter’s existence and Fulton was forced to produce it. Jeantel then claimed in court that a friend wrote the letter for her and that she couldn’t read it because she couldn’t read cursive. She claimed to be the one who signed it, “Diamond Eugene.”

A forensic handwriting expert hired by Gilbert determined that Jeantel wasn’t the one who signed it. It appeared “Diamond” was written by Fulton and “Eugene” by Diamond.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/film-alleging-witness-fraud-in-trayvon-martin-case-sparks-100-million-suit_3164714.html

[RandomGuy]

Laugh all you want ...

"A forensic handwriting expert hired by Gilbert determined "

:rollin

I want to laugh. A lot.

[TSA]

:rollin

I want to laugh. A lot.

You never found it odd the star witness couldn't even read the letter her lawyers were forced to produce that "she" wrote?