The Trayvon Martin Case

[boobie4three]

So because she says something that counters Zimmerman's claims it makes her a paid witness?
Why don't you try something you're not used to. Consider the entirety of my post and give me a rational response.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not going to do your cliff notes for you fuckwad. If you are too fucking lazy to do your own research that's on you.

I have been reading this entire thread. Spare me the cliff notes jibe. You give zero supporting arguments. That's my point. All bluster very little substance.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why don't you try something you're not used to. Consider the entirety of my post and give me a rational response.

You mean the incredulous part? There was zero basis you gave for that assertion. None other than your incredulity. So what is your basis? You don't strike me as being medically or forensically trained.

[CosmicCowboy]

I have been reading this entire thread. Spare me the cliff notes jibe. You give zero supporting arguments. That's my point. All bluster very little substance.

You are full of shit as usual. I've posted tons of links and clips you are just too fucking stupid to read them. Here is a good link that explains just how bad the prosecution is getting their ass kicked.

http://legalinsurrection.com/tag/george-zimmerman-trial/

start at the bottom at day one.

[Trill Clinton]

If there were any inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story, they were inconsequential, so much so, the investigators weren't troubled by it. GZ thought he had told the dispatcher TM circled the car when in fact he hadn't mentioned it. Whoop Dee Freaking Doo. Somebody please tell me of any MAJOR inconsistencies in his story.


LOL what a fucking fool.

the evidence overwhelmingly points to self defense and the jury is going to agree with me.

there were obvious flaws all the way from the stanford police handling the case and inconsistencies in zimmerman's story. his violent background and felony(all of which managed to get get dropped thanks to his magistrate judge daddy), his obsession with calling 911(over 60 times), him studying criminal justice and having 18 hours of mma(and still got his ass kicked by a 165 teen) is not enough for the case to go to trial?

if none of that matters, then why is this case going to trial? please don't tell me a few thousand blacks sending ice tea and skittles to the police department is what made them take it to trial. if so then that's pretty weak on the states part that they would let a bunch of angry "nigras" as you say convince the DA to press charges.

[Trill Clinton]

yea he did post a link of trayvon's grade school discipline chart and twitter pics. i give him that much. good work.

[CosmicCowboy]

there were obvious flaws all the way from the stanford police handling the case and inconsistencies in zimmerman's story. his violent background and felony(all of which managed to get get dropped thanks to his magistrate judge daddy), his obsession with calling 911(over 60 times), him studying criminal justice and having 18 hours of mma(and still got his ass kicked by a 165 teen) is not enough for the case to go to trial?

if none of that matters, then why is this case going to trial? please don't tell me a few thousand blacks sending ice tea and skittles to the police department is what made them take it to trial. if so then that's pretty weak on the states part that they would let a bunch of angry "nigras" as you say convince the DA to press charges.

Oh, I think the President of the fucking United States weighing in along with Holder and the fucking unjustice department might have had something to do with it as well.

Are you really that stupid? You can pick all the nits you want but the prosecution has not come even CLOSE to proving murder 2.

[boobie4three]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/yXdj5vP_zpsa260e865.jpg

[CosmicCowboy]

And the only nigra I have addressed is you as the pussy ass house nigra.

[Trill Clinton]

Oh, I think the President of the fucking United States weighing in along with Holder and the fucking unjustice department might have had something to do with it as well.

Are you really that stupid? You can pick all the nits you want but the prosecution has not come even CLOSE to proving murder 2.

Medical examiner said zimmerman's face injuries are consistent with being punched one time at the least.(because all his injuries were so minor)
You can't die from one punch especially from a 17 year old under 180 unless you are an old near death man.

If there's an argument for you to respond with overwhelming force under those circumstances because you fear for your life you'll end up in the same situation zimmerman is in. The law is not on your side

No one is logically going to think that getting punched equals your life is in imminent danger and you can use deadly force to subdue whoever is attacking you.
That almost always leads people to thinking you had lingering malice and intent to kill before you even defend yourself that way.

[Trill Clinton]

And the only nigra I have addressed is you as the pussy ass house nigra.

i'll be a house niggra and you be the rhinestone cowboy, deal?

[CosmicCowboy]

Medical examiner said zimmerman's face injuries are consistent with being punched one time at the least.(because all his injuries were so minor)
You can't die from one punch especially from a 17 year old under 180 unless you are an old near death man.

If there's an argument for you to respond with overwhelming force under those circumstances because you fear for your life you'll end up in the same situation zimmerman is in. The law is not on your side

No one is logically going to think that getting punched equals your life is in imminent danger and you can use deadly force to subdue whoever is attacking you.
That almost always leads people to thinking you had lingering malice and intent to kill before you even defend yourself that way.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

$1000 says that jury is going to disagree with you.

If that's too rich for you then name a number.

Kori can hold the money.

[boobie4three]

Medical examiner said zimmerman's face injuries are consistent with being punched one time at the least.(because all his injuries were so minor)
You can't die from one punch especially from a 17 year old under 180 unless you are an old near death man.

If there's an argument for you to respond with overwhelming force under those circumstances because you fear for your life you'll end up in the same situation zimmerman is in. The law is not on your side

No one is logically going to think that getting punched equals your life is in imminent danger and you can use deadly force to subdue whoever is attacking you.
That almost always leads people to thinking you had lingering malice and intent to kill before you even defend yourself that way.

You left out the part about him getting his head slammed against the concrete, which Officer Serino says was a weapon btw. Also, there was a great question from the defense to that the so-called expert who today said Zimmerman's injuries weren't life threatening. She was asked: "Well what about the NEXT injury?", meaning if GZ hadnt shot TM when he did, would the next injury be life threatening. She was dumbfounded and unable to answer.

[CosmicCowboy]

You left out the part about him getting his head slammed against the concrete, which Officer Serino says was a weapon btw. Also, there was a great question from the defense to that the so-called expert who today said Zimmerman's injuries weren't life threatening. She was asked: "Well what about the NEXT injury?", meaning if GZ hadnt shot TM when he did, would the next injury be life threatening. She was dumbfounded and unable to answer.

You are wasting your time. He refuses to get the concept that you don't have to suffer a life threatening injury before resorting to self defense. This is the Prosecutions Hail Mary pass hoping the jury is too stupid to get the concept too.

[CosmicCowboy]

C'mon Trill. I see you. put your money where your mouth is.

[Trill Clinton]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

$1000 says that jury is going to disagree with you.

If that's too rich for you then name a number.

Kori can hold the money.

fool i already said cowardman is going to walk. i don't agree with the murder 2 charge but i'm not going to ignore the fact cowardman is a lying sack of shit. 1000 is pretty cheap but what's said is you are so happy to see a grown man who profiled an unnarmed kid walking home in the rain that you are willing to bet money on it. that is a cowards bet and i want nothing of it. we can place bets on sports but i refuse to part with money over someone's death. you have no soul and the spirit of a coward.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'll take 10 hundred dollar bills over to Kori tomorrow.

[Trill Clinton]

yea i understand that the law is written so that if you feel your life is in danger at any time, you can use deadlyy force. i don't agree with that.

[Trill Clinton]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

$1000 says that jury is going to disagree with you.

If that's too rich for you then name a number.

Kori can hold the money.

^^^^

bets on the innocence of child killers

just in case the scumbag tries to delete this post.

[CosmicCowboy]

fool i already said cowardman is going to walk. i don't agree with the murder 2 charge but i'm not going to ignore the fact cowardman is a lying sack of shit. 1000 is pretty cheap but what's said is you are so happy to see a grown man who profiled an unnarmed kid walking home in the rain that you are willing to bet money on it. that is a cowards bet and i want nothing of it. we can place bets on sports but i refuse to part with money over someone's death. you have no soul and the spirit of a coward.

This is what you SAID:


Medical examiner said zimmerman's face injuries are consistent with being punched one time at the least.(because all his injuries were so minor)
You can't die from one punch especially from a 17 year old under 180 unless you are an old near death man.

If there's an argument for you to respond with overwhelming force under those circumstances because you fear for your life you'll end up in the same situation zimmerman is in. The law is not on your side

No one is logically going to think that getting punched equals your life is in imminent danger and you can use deadly force to subdue whoever is attacking you.
That almost always leads people to thinking you had lingering malice and intent to kill before you even defend yourself that way.

I called, you folded like the little bitch you are.

[CosmicCowboy]

^^^^

bets on the innocence of child killers

just in case the scumbag tries to delete this post.

Dude, you are clearly suffering from low T. :lmao at your attempts to play your black street cred.

[Big Empty]

Either way Zimmerman will get his. In jail or out.

[CosmicCowboy]

Either way Zimmerman will get his. In jail or out.

That wouldn't surprise me. Lots of ignorant people out there.

[Trill Clinton]

Dude, you are clearly suffering from low T. :lmao at your attempts to play your black street cred.

huh? black street cred? if tray was out looking for trouble, armed and cowardman was unfairly beaten, then i might understand your bet. but that isn't the case. you want to bet money, don't care if it was a penny or a thousand, that a grown ass man will be found not guilty for killing a innocent kid. i don't understand that line of thinking. i hope the lurkers are paying attention to this. you've said i'm emotionally invested in this case but what do you call yourself if you willing to part with money over a kid's death? pretty sick if you ask me.

[Trill Clinton]

That wouldn't surprise me. Lots of ignorant people out there.

lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are full of shit as usual. I've posted tons of links and clips you are just too fucking stupid to read them. Here is a good link that explains just how bad the prosecution is getting their ass kicked.

http://legalinsurrection.com/tag/george-zimmerman-trial/

start at the bottom at day one.

Bluster more. Perhaps someone will buy it. I certainly don't.

Nice demonstration of both a lack of articulation and an inability to think for yourself.

[DPG21920]

you played the race card. All the racist comments in here have come from you and your buddies. I don't car whatu said from day one. All your posts have been pro cowardman. You love him so much you won't dare point out the inconsistencies in his story. In your eyes, what George says happened, happened, even when the evidence says otherwise. George is the shepherd and you're one of his sheep, sad.

If this is true, why wouldn't the jury find GZ guilty?

[Trill Clinton]

If this is true, why wouldn't the jury find GZ guilty?

because he was charged with murder 2 instead of manslaughter. i doubt he would beat a manslaughter charge.

[scroteface]

huh? black street cred? if tray was out looking for trouble, armed and cowardman was unfairly beaten, then i might understand your bet. but that isn't the case. you want to bet money, don't care if it was a penny or a thousand, that a grown ass man will be found not guilty for killing a innocent kid. i don't understand that line of thinking. i hope the lurkers are paying attention to this. you've said i'm emotionally invested in this case but what do you call yourself if you willing to part with money over a kid's death? pretty sick if you ask me.

He wasn't innocent, all evidence shows that while Zimmerman got out to read the street sign to phone police and was walking back to his car, Trayboon jumped out of the bushes and ambushed him, threatening his life with "you're going to die tonight" during the attack. That alone gives Zimmerman reason to respond with lethal force. Funny how CNN and all his lawyers said it was tea, whenever it wasn't an arizona tea it was arizona watermelon flavored drink and skittles which is a popular way to make lean in florida. and the autopsy showed severe liver and brain damage, just face it bro he was high and attacked zimmerman in a drug induced lapse of judgement, and paid for it.

[Trill Clinton]

He wasn't innocent, all evidence shows that while Zimmerman got out to read the street sign to phone police and was walking back to his car, Trayboon jumped out of the bushes and ambushed him, threatening his life with "you're going to die tonight" during the attack. That alone gives Zimmerman reason to respond with lethal force. Funny how CNN and all his lawyers said it was tea, whenever it wasn't an arizona tea it was arizona watermelon flavored drink and skittles which is a popular way to make lean in florida. and the autopsy showed severe liver and brain damage, just face it bro he was high and attacked zimmerman in a drug induced lapse of judgement, and paid for it.

http://i43.tinypic.com/160f0qf.jpg

[scroteface]

posting whack ass pictures is telling me, but zimmerman's bullet told trayvon martin tbh

[Trill Clinton]

posting whack ass pictures is telling me, but zimmerman's bullet told trayvon martin tbh

http://i44.tinypic.com/2uo5kx4.gif

[Ignignokt]

kang!!!

[2centsworth]

Why is it that republicans on this board automatically side with GZ and democrats automatically side with Trayvon?

Is there a deeper meaning to this case than just a guilty or not guilty verdict?

really, I'm not getting it.

[Big Empty]

Why is it that republicans on this board automatically side with GZ and democrats automatically side with Trayvon?

Is there a deeper meaning to this case than just a guilty or not guilty verdict?

really, I'm not getting it.really good question

[Creepn]

A medical examiner who reviewed video and photographs of George Zimmerman's (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/george-zimmerman.htm) injuries suffered during his fatal confrontation with Trayvon Martin called the neighborhood watch captain's wounds "insignificant" and "non-life threatening.

Dr. Valerie Rao testified that Zimmerman was struck as few as three times by Martin during the fight that night. She also asserted his head may have only been slammed on the concrete a single time. Zimmerman, who faces second-degree murder charges for the death of the unarmed teenager, said Martin repeatedly slammed his head on the concrete.
"Are the injuries on the back of the defendant's head consistent with one strike against a concrete surface?" asked prosecutor John Guy
"Yes," Rao said.
"And why do you say that?" asked Guy
"Because if you hit the head one time, it is consistent with having gotten those two injuries at that one time," she testified.
Rao's testimony could contradict Zimmerman's assertion that he was involved in a potentially life-threatening struggle with the Florida teenager.
Catch up on all the details from the George Zimmerman murder trial (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/george-zimmerman.htm).
Zimmerman, 29, claims he shot Martrin, 17, in self defense on Feb. 26, 2012 as Martin repeatedly banged his head against the pavement and reached for Zimmerman's gun.



"If you look at the injuries they are so minor they are not consistent with grave force," Rao said. "If somebody's head is banged with grave force I would expect a lot of injuries. I don't see that."

So the medical examiner says his injuries were insignificant and that his head wasn't repeatedly slammed. Just hit the concrete maybe once.

Zimmerman lie #128,902 shot down.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/george-zimmerman-jury-told-injuries-insignificant/story?id=19552856#.UdO35L0o5PE

[Creepn]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/yXdj5vP_zpsa260e865.jpg
Lol.

Zimmerman said out of his own fat mouth that about half his body was on the grass and his upper body on the pavement so that re-enactment is discredited. Next.

[Wild Cobra]

I think one of the best moments for the defense was when the cop interviewing Zimmerman said he lied, about a video of the altercation, and Zimmerman's response was "Thank God!" Meaning to me, he was glad video would prove self defense.

[boutons_deux]

Why is it that republicans on this board automatically side with GZ and democrats automatically side with Trayvon?

Is there a deeper meaning to this case than just a guilty or not guilty verdict?

really, I'm not getting it.

Repugs are racists, xenophobes, white supremacists, where the "the only good nigga is a dead nigga", esp if they be dead by a (vigilante quasi-whitey's) gun.

[boobie4three]

Repugs are racists, xenophobes, white supremacists, where the "the only good nigga is a dead nigga", esp if they be dead by a (vigilante quasi-whitey's) gun.

Is that you Joseph Goebbels?

[boobie4three]

This judge is biased as hell. She's allowing the state to dig deep into his college classes. A fishing expedition.

[Trill Clinton]

awwwww

[boutons_deux]

Is that you Joseph Goebbels?

google "eugenic sterilization southern states"

[boobie4three]

google "eugenic sterilization southern states"

You'll find Democrats instigated that, if you do a little research.

[boobie4three]

awwwww

I guess they'll have to drag Trayvon's past history into court now.

[boutons_deux]

You'll find Democrats instigated that, if you do a little research.

agrarian, rural racists in the Confederacy were Democrats (reflexively against the northern, industrial Repugs, like Lincoln) until they couldn't keep oppressing the blacks in the 60s after the blacks got VRA, etc, then all those Confederate racist Dems switched to being today's racist Repugs in Repug slimebag/criminal Tricky Dick's famous Southern Strategy.

[AntiChrist]

Why is it that republicans on this board automatically side with GZ and democrats automatically side with Trayvon?

Is there a deeper meaning to this case than just a guilty or not guilty verdict?

really, I'm not getting it.



I just find it ironic how many people are willing to join the media-fueled lynch mob.




Either way Zimmerman will get his. In jail or out.

[Trill Clinton]

in the hannity interview, cowardman said he never heard of the stand your ground law. welp, according to his professor he stated he throughly went over stand your ground in his coursework. even said cowardman made an A in his class.

[AntiChrist]

in the hannity interview, cowardman said he never heard of the stand your ground law. welp, according to his professor he stated he throughly went over stand your ground in his coursework. even said cowardman made an A in his class.

Well, SYG doesn't even apply in this case. It's straight up self-defense.

[Trill Clinton]

Well, SYG doesn't even apply in this case. It's straight up self-defense.

he covered stand your ground in the self defense chapter of the textbook. george aced that chapters test.

[AntiChrist]

he covered stand your ground in the self defense chapter of the textbook. george aced that chapters test.

irrelevant, tbh

[Trill Clinton]

so the prosecution is pointing out cowardman knew exactly what to say to corroberate his self defense claim.

[Trill Clinton]

okay, serious question. cowardman took 18 hours of mma training, why couldn't he out wrestle a 165 pound kid??? someone with 18 hours of mma/grappling training will have an advantage over just a regular guy off the street, especially a kid.

[CosmicCowboy]

This case has nothing to do with stand your ground.

[Trill Clinton]

SYG was covered in the self defense/castle doctorine chapter in the course the professor taught....SYG is rooted in self defense.

[boobie4three]

okay, serious question. cowardman took 18 hours of mma training, why couldn't he out wrestle a 165 pound kid??? someone with 18 hours of mma/grappling training will have an advantage over just a regular guy off the street, especially a kid.

If you were sucker punched in the face, fell to the ground and jumped on, you might not be in condition to fight back effectively either.

[Trill Clinton]

If you were sucker punched in the face, fell to the ground and jumped on, you might not be in condition to fight back effectively either.


now that you put it that way, i can see how zimmerman couldn't wrestle him off.

[boobie4three]

I don't know who's watching now, but it's become a real joke. Trying to take testimony over inferior Skype connection. Kangaroo court at its worse.

[elbamba]

That was the funniest crap I have seen in a long time. All those trolls calling in to interfere with the Skype testimony. I take my hat off to the trolls for that one.

[Creepn]

Just watching snippets but looks like the state is having a field day with Zimmerman's friend. He's giving conflicting reports from the story and he is sweating like a mutha***er.

Why is he sweating so much? hmmm...

[boobie4three]

Appears that state witness Gordon Pleasants who was part of that Skype fiasco this morning was involved in a petition to get Zimmerman arrested last year. Just another attempt to stack the deck against GZ.


Gordon Pleasants commented on the petition about 1 year ago


We are angry! We want justice! We wanted Chief Lee and the Sanford Police Department to arrest and convict George Zimmerman for the murder of Trayvon Martin! However, Chief Lee, who himself felt the incident was morally reprehensible, failed to do what we wanted. Therefore, the Sanford City Commission made a majority vote of “no confidence” in Chief Lee which resulted in him temporarily stepping aside.


http://www.change.org/users/11552699

[Creepn]

Crime Lab Analyst on the stand. There was no Trayvon Martin DNA on the gun nor holster. So how did Zimmerman feel Martin reaching for the gun if he never touched it?

Zimmerman lie #150,403 shot down.

[boobie4three]

Crime Lab Analyst on the stand. There was no Trayvon Martin DNA on the gun nor holster. So how did Zimmerman feel Martin reaching for the gun if he never touched it?

Zimmerman lie #150,403 shot down.

GZ said he thought TM was reaching for the gun. He never claimed he touched it. I believe when the defense crosses, they'll ask this DNA guy if it's possible that TM could have indeed touched the gun or holster but not left any DNA.

[boutons_deux]

This case has nothing to do with stand your ground.

of course it does. TM saw himself being followed by car then on foot, and "perceived a threat" which is what SYG is all about. The threat from an armed vigilante stalker was not only perceived, but real.

[CosmicCowboy]

of course it does. TM saw himself being followed by car then on foot, and "perceived a threat" which is what SYG is all about. The threat from an armed vigilante stalker was not only perceived, but real.

SYG doesn't allow you to take the offensive and throw the first punch.

[boutons_deux]

SYG doesn't allow you to take the offensive and throw the first punch.

in FL, can you find the law's text? you sposed to wait for GZ to punch (or shoot) first before you perceive the threat?

[CosmicCowboy]

in FL, can you find the law's text? you sposed to wait for GZ to punch (or shoot) first before you perceive the threat?

Fuck, find it yourself. It's already been posted in this thread about 4 times.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Florida+stand+your+ground

[Creepn]

GZ said he thought TM was reaching for the gun. He never claimed he touched it. I believe when the defense crosses, they'll ask this DNA guy if it's possible that TM could have indeed touched the gun or holster but not left any DNA.

He said there was a struggle over the gun.

[CosmicCowboy]

He said there was a struggle over the gun.

:lol

another factually incorrect loaded paraphrase by creepn

[boutons_deux]

Fuck, find it yourself. It's already been posted in this thread about 4 times.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Florida+stand+your+ground


(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity (TM) and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

depends what "attacked" means.

Being stalked in a car and then on foot could be perceived as an impending attack.

As neighborhood watch captain, GZ was unlawfully (by NW laws) armed while stalking a suspect.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao

NW laws

Fuck Boutons...you are hilarious.

[Creepn]

Forgot to point out a previous lie. Excuse me, there are just so many lies to keep track of!

Zimmerman lie #160,340: Zimmerman told Hannity that he doesn't know anything about SYG laws, but yet he has an "A" in a class that discussed SYG laws.

[Trill Clinton]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/02/george-zimmerman-trial-live-updates_n_3533739.html?utm_hp_ref=trayvon-martin


medical examiner says the only blood on cowardman's jacket was his own. there was none of zimmermans blood on the front of trays hoodie. wouldn't that blood be on tray's hoodie as well if tray was mounting him and pummeling him to death? can i get an expert opinion on this.

[Trill Clinton]

so did tray start bleeding after he said "aight aight, you got it?"

[Creepn]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/02/george-zimmerman-trial-live-updates_n_3533739.html?utm_hp_ref=trayvon-martin


medical examiner says the only blood on cowardman's jacket was his own. there was none of zimmermans blood on the front of trays hoodie. wouldn't that blood be on tray's hoodie as well if tray was mounting him and pummeling him to death? can i get an expert opinion on this.

Ya I thought it was wierd that there was no blood on Martin's cuffs around his wrists with it continually being in close proximity to Zimmerman's "beaten" face.

[boobie4three]

Ya I thought it was wierd that there was no blood on Martin's cuffs around his wrists with it continually being in close proximity to Zimmerman's "beaten" face.
Already been discussed in court. After being smashed in the face by Martin, Zimmerman fell to ground where his head being in the horizontal position allowed the blood to flow back into his throat and presumably he swallowed it. When he stood up, that's when the blood would flow out of his nose.

[Big Empty]

GZ said he thought TM was reaching for the gun. He never claimed he touched it. I believe when the defense crosses, they'll ask this DNA guy if it's possible that TM could have indeed touched the gun or holster but not left any DNA.
so his hand gun was in plain view? isnt it suppose to be concealed? how would Martin see it unless he was threatened with it or it wasnt concealed?

[boobie4three]

so his hand gun was in plain view? isnt it suppose to be concealed? how would Martin see it unless he was threatened with it or it wasnt concealed?

TM could have seen it when GZ's coat moved out of the way during the struggle. TM also could have felt it with his leg while he was straddling GZ.

[CosmicCowboy]

so his hand gun was in plain view? isnt it suppose to be concealed? how would Martin see it unless he was threatened with it or it wasnt concealed?

The gun was in an "inside the waistband" holster in his pants. The pistol butt would normally be concealed by his shirt/jacket. It is entirely plausible that his shirt/jacket had risen up during the struggle exposing the pistol.

[2centsworth]

Forgot to point out a previous lie. Excuse me, there are just so many lies to keep track of!

Zimmerman lie #160,340: Zimmerman told Hannity that he doesn't know anything about SYG laws, but yet he has an "A" in a class that discussed SYG laws.

come on guy, you telling me you remember everything taught in class? I'm fortunate to remember 20% of the crap that was taught.

[Fabbs]

:monkey
http://tiwibzone.tiwib.netdna-cdn.com/images/pet-hoodie.jpg
dat bez da spirit

[Wild Cobra]

Wow...

After all the testemony coming out, people still think Zimmerman is guilty?

Wow...

[admiralsnackbar]

Wow...

After all the testemony coming out, people still think Zimmerman is guilty?

Wow...

You mean the absence of forensic evidence corroborating Zimmerman's account (no Martin DNA or fingerprints on gun he allegedly grabbed, ME saying Zimmerman's injuries were "very insignificant" despite the claim that the ahem victim's head was bashed "25 times" ...during which no Zimmerman DNA got under Martin's fingernails)? Or the inconsistencies and absurdities in his testimony (he was following Martin, no,no, he was going back to his car. He knew nothing about Stand Your Ground but his criminal justice teacher said Zimmerman not only studied the law, he got an A in the course)?

Yeah... wow.

[Capt Bringdown]

You mean the absence of forensic evidence corroborating Zimmerman's account (no Martin DNA or fingerprints on gun he allegedly grabbed, ME saying Zimmerman's injuries were "very insignificant" despite the claim that the ahem victim's head was bashed "25 times" ...during which no Zimmerman DNA got under Martin's fingernails)? Or the inconsistencies and absurdities in his testimony (he was following Martin, no,no, he was going back to his car. He knew nothing about Stand Your Ground but his criminal justice teacher said Zimmerman not only studied the law, he got an A in the course)?

Yeah... wow.

Sean Hannity has a sad.

[Fabbs]

I aints no DeeAnAAAs expert, but if Travonz be putting his han inz a fist, thus Travons knuckles be hittin GZ not child Travons fingernails.
Dat be xplainin why no DNAz on Zimmermans fingernails?

[Big Empty]

I aints no DeeAnAAAs expert, but if Travonz be putting his han inz a fist, thus Travons knuckles be hittin GZ not child Travons fingernails.
Dat be xplainin why no DNAz on Zimmermans fingernails?
Well i be guessen he grab zimmamin wit BOFE fist closed still, and bang his head 25 times

[Bill_Brasky]

A person with a loaded gun started a confrontation with an unarmed person. With just those details you know how that situation ends.

Those are the actions of an irresponsible person who did not need to have a gun in the first place. But, he did, and someone died because of it. He needs to go away for awhile.

[Bill_Brasky]

And if you have a gun how do you even let it get to the point where the other person is on top of you? I'm pretty sure if the other person knew you had a gun they wouldn't do a damn thing.

It's as simple as letting them know what's up and warning them to keep their distance.

[DMX7]

A person with a loaded gun started a confrontation with an unarmed person. With just those details you know how that situation ends.

Those are the actions of an irresponsible person who did not need to have a gun in the first place. But, he did, and someone died because of it. He needs to go away for awhile.

He's probably not going anywhere except home after the trial because it's looking worse and worse everyday for the prosecution.

[mingus]

A person with a loaded gun started a confrontation with an unarmed person. With just those details you know how that situation ends.

Those are the actions of an irresponsible person who did not need to have a gun in the first place. But, he did, and someone died because of it. He needs to go away for awhile.

This.

While Trayvon could have handled it better (keep in mind he was only seventeen), I think Zimmerman could've and should've ended everything when he was asked by TM what he wanted. Should have told TM what he was doing because he had no legitimate reason not to disclose that information to him. The question is why didn't he?

[Fabbs]

Anthony Gorgone, a Florida Department of Law Enforcement crime lab analyst, testified that Martin's DNA was not found on the gun grip.

"You were able to exclude Trayvon Martin having DNA on the pistol grip, is that correct?" asked prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda.
"Yes," said Gorgone.

This appeared to contradict testimony Tuesday by a witness who said Zimmerman told him that Martin had grabbed the gun. However, in cross examination Gorgone admitted that it's possible Martin did touch the gun.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Anthony Gorgone, a Florida Department of Law Enforcement crime lab analyst, testified that Martin's DNA was not found on the gun grip.

"You were able to exclude Trayvon Martin having DNA on the pistol grip, is that correct?" asked prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda.
"Yes," said Gorgone.

This appeared to contradict testimony Tuesday by a witness who said Zimmerman told him that Martin had grabbed the gun. However, in cross examination Gorgone admitted that it's possible Martin did touch the gun.

Sure but then you consider that his head wounds were not consistent with his testimony nor was any of his DNA on Martin's hands AND you consider how he misrepresentedx himself in court already during the bond process and you see a deliberate pattern.

I can understand why people are saying that there is reasonable doubt as to malicious intent for a murder conviction but if Florida allows jurors to convict on a lesser charge I would put my money on manslaughter and a good time for Zimmerman in a Florida correctional institute.

FWIW, here are the FL manslaughter statutes:


(1) The killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification according to the provisions of chapter 776 and in cases in which such killing shall not be excusable homicide or murder, according to the provisions of this chapter, is manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(2) A person who causes the death of any elderly person or disabled adult by culpable negligence under s. 825.102(3) commits aggravated manslaughter of an elderly person or disabled adult, a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3) A person who causes the death of any person under the age of 18 by culpable negligence under s. 827.03(2)(b) commits aggravated manslaughter of a child, a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(4) A person who causes the death, through culpable negligence, of an officer as defined in s. 943.10(14), a firefighter as defined in s. 112.191, an emergency medical technician as defined in s. 401.23, or a paramedic as defined in s. 401.23, while the officer, firefighter, emergency medical technician, or paramedic is performing duties that are within the course of his or her employment, commits aggravated manslaughter of an officer, a firefighter, an emergency medical technician, or a paramedic, a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

[boutons_deux]

GZ's all-azimuths lying certainly confuses the case.

[BradLohaus]

Martin's mother already took the stand and left? 8:42am and I missed it. I guess she talked about the voice.

By the way, for all of the voice analysis, what ever happened to the whole "coon" thing? Did they ask any of the experts? That got dropped quickly.

[BradLohaus]

Never mind she's still on.

[BradLohaus]

This voice stuff from everyone on both sides seems to be: 1.) I don't know 2.) Wait now I know!

[Creepn]

"he was one of the few guys that never made fun of me, about the way I dressed, about the way I talked, about my hair, about my complexion… about my weight.”

- Rachel Jeantel

[Trill Clinton]

hopefully his mother's testimony tugs at the heartstrings of the mothers in the jury.

[Trill Clinton]

this is a beautiful black family, btw. can't wait to read the comments on how ignorant they sound.

creepdawg, i read that quote too and it was sickening how people, even blacks, joked about her appearance and speech. bunch of ignorant people following this case for their own racist reasons.

[BradLohaus]

So did is the mom already done?

[Trill Clinton]

i think so. i'm following HLN but there is a link to the trial without interruptions. i just got in but my friend said the mom already spoke and the defense was asking for impeachment.

[BradLohaus]

The problem with Jenteal wasn't what she looked like, or that she couldn't read cursive or anything like that. What came off so bad was the attitude. She didn't seem to care at all especially on the first day. She basically said she blew off the Crump interview.

[BradLohaus]

Well that was quick.

[Wild Cobra]

At the end of the day, nobody yet has cast doubt on what Zimmerman and other eye witnesses have said.

Zimmerman walks...

[BradLohaus]

NM she's back on the stand

[Creepn]

Looks like the mom is still on the witness stand. The father and the medical examiner that did the autopsy will be the last witnesses for the state.

[boobie4three]

Family members can say they think it was TM screaming all they want, but common sense should tell the rest of us it was GZ.

[Trill Clinton]

yup i agree they should have brought the family in earlier. the media and cowardman supporters paint tray as a thug but he comes from a beautiful, college educated family.

[Fabbs]

"he was one of the few guys that never made fun of me, about the way I dressed, about the way I talked, about my hair, about my complexion… about my weight.”

- Rachel Jeantel
Rachel Jeantel’s attorney Rod Vereen.
She is under gag order.
Does not mean she did not say it.
Rather you had it as a direct quote. It was not.

[boutons_deux]

"the media and cowardman supporters paint tray as a thug"

that's just racism towards the stereotypical young, black male in a hoodie

GZ was the thug, the wannbe-be-cop vigilante, the aggressor, and still is.

[BradLohaus]

It's pretty hard to believe that it wasn't Zimmerman at this point. Maybe the state should have just dropped that line from the get go and just went with the story that Z assaulted 1st and T got the upper hand. Their best case for that are Z's words on the call, although that begs the question of why he woud call in the 1st place.

[Wild Cobra]

Family members can say they think it was TM screaming all they want, but common sense should tell the rest of us it was GZ.
Yep.

It doesn't make much sense that Trayvon would be screaming for help as he's straddling Zimmerman, giving blows.

[Trill Clinton]

"the media and cowardman supporters paint tray as a thug"

that's just racism towards the stereotypical young, black male in a hoodie

GZ was the thug, the wannbe-be-cop vigilante, the aggressor, and still is.




exactly. he's the one with a felony and a wife beater. thanks to his daddy he was able to get those charges cleared. i also noticed the defense kept saying to tray's brother "when your father left the home..." he didn't leave the home, his parents divorced.

[Trill Clinton]

Yep.

It doesn't make much sense that Trayvon would be screaming for help as he's straddling Zimmerman, giving blows.

was he screaming when octopus tray was covering his mouth and nose or when he was ground and pounding him? because when the shot went off the screaming stopped.

[Trill Clinton]

what i don't like about this entire case is how a grown man, armed with a loaded weapon, can stalk and confront a teen and then when the frightened teen defends himself he dies and noone thinks the stalker is at fault.

[Wild Cobra]

what i don't like about this entire case is how a grown man, armed with a loaded weapon, can stalk and confront a teen and then when the frightened teen defends himself he dies and noone thinks the stalker is at fault.
Why?

Because you might get shot under similar conditions?

[Trill Clinton]

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[Trill Clinton]

Why?

Because you might get shot under similar conditions?

me and other minorities. i keep a glock 27 on my person at all times so if someone tries to zimmerman me, good luck.

[Trill Clinton]

i want zimmerman to walk and let the public decide his fate. beaten to death by an angry mob would suffice.

[Creepn]

i want zimmerman to walk and let the public decide his fate. beaten to death by an angry mob would suffice.

He will flee the country as soon as he gets home.

[BradLohaus]

The problem for the state is they can't pin a crime on Zimmerman during this whole thing.

[boobie4three]

i want zimmerman to walk and let the public decide his fate. beaten to death by an angry mob would suffice.
I imagine the public will be prepared for that. Going to be a lot of dead rioters on TV.

[Trill Clinton]

He will flee the country as soon as he gets home.

i hope not.


I imagine the public will be prepared for that. Going to be a lot of dead rioters on TV.

there will be bloodshed on both sides. we ready.

[Fabbs]

:monkey exactly. he's the one with a felony and a wife beater. thanks to his daddy he was able to get those charges cleared. I reads that on BlacksOnly.com so it must be true.
Surely you can link to the conviction(s) and sentence for this felony conviction.


i also noticed the defense kept saying to tray's brother "when your father left the home..." he didn't leave the home, his parents divorced.
After the divorce, did the father leave or stay home?

You'd make a sweet witness for the defense. :rollin

[Trill Clinton]

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[BradLohaus]

De La Rionda always sounds like he's shouting.

[Trill Clinton]

Surely you can link to the conviction(s) and sentence for this felony conviction.


After the divorce, did the father leave or stay home?

You'd make a sweet witness for the defense. :rollin

www.google.com<-----search for zimmerman felony assault. so easy even a :monkey like you can do it.


they never mentioned divorce. just kept saying "when your father left the home" the brother had to correct him and say my parents divorced.

[Trill Clinton]

how many criminal charges did tray have? crazy how a 5'11, 158 pound kid got the upperhand of a grown man with 18 hours of mma training, sad.

[Fabbs]

how many criminal charges did tray have? crazy how a 5'11, 158 pound kid got the upperhand of a grown man with 18 hours of mma training, sad.
weaksause answer. Avoided answering your own assertion that GZ has felonie(s). In fact it's your pure fabrication.
Your troll schtick is beyond old.

[Trill Clinton]

weaksause answer. Avoided answering your own assertion that GZ has felonie(s). In fact it's your pure fabrication.
Your troll schtick is beyond old.

please ignore me.

[Trill Clinton]

coward was charged with resisting arrest and battery of a law enforcement officer and thanks to his daddy, was let off with a slap on the wrist. but tray took a picture with his middle finger pointed up and he's the thug, okay.

[Trill Clinton]

cowardman was charged with domestic violence against his fiance and she had a protective order against him. but tray sent text messages about smoking weed and he's the thug, okay.

[BradLohaus]

This thread shows the defense strategy all along. It's down to ad hominem.

[Fabbs]

www.google.com<-----search for zimmerman felony assault.
:lol You have zero cred.

"In 2005 Zimmerman was charged with two felony counts based on allegations that he assaulted a law enforcement officer. Those charges were dropped, and evidently reduced to a misdemeanor charge."

[Creepn]

This medical examiner sucks.

[Trill Clinton]

perks of having a magistrate judge as your father. if i was a judge i would bail out my son as well. i just wouldn't let him bum it out on my couch at 30, though.

i'm really looking forward to the angry mob or black vigilante who says "these kid killers always get away" and bat to the back of cowardmans skull. i really do hope he suffers a painful death.

[Trill Clinton]

30+ years old, charged with 2 assault charges on law enforcement(1 of which was a felony), woman beater, failed the entry test to police academy, still lives with parents, married, sleeps on dads couch, called 911 over sixty times, stalks kids...what i just described is a loser with a cowards spirit who deserves to die.

[boobie4three]

perks of having a magistrate judge as your father. if i was a judge i would bail out my son as well. i just wouldn't let him bum it out on my couch at 30, though.

i'm really looking forward to the angry mob or black vigilante who says "these kid killers always get away" and bat to the back of cowardmans skull. i really do hope he suffers a painful death.

I'm beginning to think you're a troll also and just want to get kick out of everyone reacting to your crazy statements.

[BradLohaus]

This asian guy hates de la rionda. Did you see the the look he shot him? He just grabbed the mike and started talking to the jury and DLR had to cut him off. DLR's style is way to harsh. Probably bad for women.

[BradLohaus]

I predict soft spoken OMara guides him along nicely. OMara is far, far better than DLR.

[Creepn]

This asian guy hates de la rionda. Did you see the the look he shot him? He just grabbed the mike and started talking to the jury and DLR had to cut him off. DLR's style is way to harsh. Probably bad for women.

Yeah he's pretty rough. I don't know why they don't let Guy do most of the questioning. He's a little more smoother.

[boobie4three]

I predict soft spoken OMara guides him along nicely. OMara is far, far better than DLR.

Agree. MOM will clean up this mess.

[pgardn]

This trial is so over no matter who you believe.
Unless the Defense makes some incredible error.

Not Guilty
Its been over for a few days.

[BradLohaus]

If anybody's watching this live, I'll say it again: the state should have never tried to fight the scream/who's on the bottom aspect. And these are their witnesses.

[Trill Clinton]

I'm beginning to think you're a troll also and just want to get kick out of everyone reacting to your crazy statements.

i'm not a troll. valuable member to the board, spurs insider, i post in various sections. i'm just tweeting in this thread. if my posts offend you, feel free to ignore me.

[boobie4three]

Looks like West will cross. He tends to end up in the weeds. MOM is 10 time better.

[Wild Cobra]

i want zimmerman to walk and let the public decide his fate. beaten to death by an angry mob would suffice.
With that attitude, you shouldn't be allowed a weapon.

[BradLohaus]

MSNBC in super spin mode.

[Wild Cobra]

i'm not a troll. valuable member to the board, spurs insider, i post in various sections. i'm just tweeting in this thread. if my posts offend you, feel free to ignore me.
Not a troll?

You sure do a good impression!

[Trill Clinton]

this prosecution team sucks. street justice is the only option at this point.

[DPG21920]

i hope not.



there will be bloodshed on both sides. we ready.

There is the problem with this country in a nut shell. It's all on you. All of it.

[Wild Cobra]

MSNBC in super spin mode.

It's amazing the the M$M's are telling the public the parts that make Zimmerman look guilty.

[BradLohaus]

True. Omara's a natural. West still isnt as bad as de la rionda though. He should have delegated more to the other 2 guys.

[DPG21920]

perks of having a magistrate judge as your father. if i was a judge i would bail out my son as well. i just wouldn't let him bum it out on my couch at 30, though.

i'm really looking forward to the angry mob or black vigilante who says "these kid killers always get away" and bat to the back of cowardmans skull. i really do hope he suffers a painful death.

Are they going around to bash all the black on black crime committers that kill the troubled youth in this country? Going to be busy..

[Trill Clinton]

Are they going around to bash all the black on black crime committers that kill the troubled youth in this country? Going to be busy..

i already shot down this argument of yours. thugs are killing thugs, good riddens.

[Trill Clinton]

i hate a innocent child had to die walking home. if the vigilante would have just stayed in his car, none of this would have happened, sad.

[DPG21920]

i already shot down this argument of yours. thugs are killing thugs, good riddens.

No. There are literally hundreds of stories of innocent people dying in drive by shootings. Terrible argument and since you are getting off despite the evidence proving you are wrong, I hope street justice is the answer to you getting off the ST trial.

[boobie4three]

i hate a innocent child had to die walking home. if the vigilante would have just stayed in his car, none of this would have happened, sad.

If Martin would have just walked home and not approached Zimmerman and sucker punched him, none of this would have happened.

[Trill Clinton]

check out fruitvale station movie featuring michael b jordan and forest whitacker. its about the innocent black teen who was shot and killed by a BART officer. blacks live under martial law.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRlu1Dsc39I

[DPG21920]

If Trill believes in what he says and isn't some coward, I hope he's the one to go find GZ and confront him. Both will be strapped so let's see who the real boss is and who God favors in that shootout.

[Trill Clinton]

No. There are literally hundreds of stories of innocent people dying in drive by shootings. Terrible argument and since you are getting off despite the evidence proving you are wrong, I hope street justice is the answer to you getting off the ST trial.

hundreds of stories? well there was a huge outrage about a innocent girl being shot in chicago. i think you're exaggerating your numbers, doggie. can you give me 10 links within the past month?

[Trill Clinton]

If Trill believes in what he says and isn't some coward, I hope he's the one to go find GZ and confront him. Both will be strapped so let's see who the real boss is and who God favors in that shootout.

what does being a coward have to do with me killing cowardman? if i was to shoot and kill an unarmed kid, then yea, i can see the whole coward angle.

[DPG21920]

Since when does the time line matter? Your stupid a** trolling don't work on me. I said there are hundreds of stories and I am understating it where a drive by done by African American males has killed innocent African Americans. Is the black community hunting them down and giving them justice? If so, how are there still so many crimes like that? Wouldn't these people be off the streets?

[DPG21920]

what does being a coward have to do with me killing cowardman? if i was to shoot and kill an unarmed kid, then yea, i can see the whole coward angle.

You would be a coward if you didn't follow through on what you typed. If you think street justice is real justice, then you will not be a coward and ask others to do it. You will take care of business yourself. Unless of course you are just talking for the sake of talking and don't have the courage to do what is right and what you support.

[Trill Clinton]

If Martin would have just walked home and not approached Zimmerman and sucker punched him, none of this would have happened.

he was walking home. if cowardrman would have stayed in the car, none of this would have happened. there is no debating that cowardman's actions that night is the reason we are here now.

[Fabbs]

i already shot down this argument of yours. thugs are killing thugs, good riddens.
And the innocent bystanders that get killed?
The black innocent bystanders.

Time for you to skidoddle.
Again.

[Trill Clinton]

You would be a coward if you didn't follow through on what you typed. If you think street justice is real justice, then you will not be a coward and ask others to do it. You will take care of business yourself. Unless of course you are just talking for the sake of talking and don't have the courage to do what is right and what you support.

reaching

[Trill Clinton]

And the innocent bystanders that get killed?
The black innocent bystanders.

Time for you to skidoddle.
Again.

can i get at least 10 stories of innocent black bystanders being killed within the past month? shouldn't be hard to find.

[Fabbs]

You would be a coward if you didn't follow through on what you typed. If you think street justice is real justice, then you will not be a coward and ask others to do it. You will take care of business yourself. Unless of course you are just talking for the sake of talking and don't have the courage to do what is right and what you support.
Absolute ownage.

Run along and make up yet another profile, multiTrill.

[DPG21920]

Nah fam, I just caught you lying and called you on it. Just drop it and no one will remember. You got caught up in the moment and typed things you didn't believe. If you did believe that he is guilty and that he deserves social justice and you carry a strap like you say, you won't rely on others to do what is right. That's a coward. To believe with all of your heart that something is wrong and knowing what true justice is but not having the courage to carry out the task yourself.

That is how people allow all the terrible things in this world to happen. Its because the majority of people are cowards.

[AntiChrist]

this prosecution team sucks. street justice is the only option at this point.

:cheer Lynch mobs :cheer

[DPG21920]

can i get at least 10 stories of innocent black bystanders being killed within the past month? shouldn't be hard to find.

Why do you keep qualifying "the past month". African American's killing innocent African American boys and girls just like Trayvon happens all the time and has been happening for years. Look it up doggie and tell me there aren't hundreds of examples of blacks killing innocent blacks in this great country. Hunt them down and bash them with bats if you want justice.

[Trill Clinton]

Since when does the time line matter? Your stupid a** trolling don't work on me. I said there are hundreds of stories and I am understating it where a drive by done by African American males has killed innocent African Americans. Is the black community hunting them down and giving them justice? If so, how are there still so many crimes like that? Wouldn't these people be off the streets?

the person's doing the driveby's are caught and throw in prison, so......

[Trill Clinton]

Why do you keep qualifying "the past month". African American's killing innocent African American boys and girls just like Trayvon happens all the time and has been happening for years. Look it up doggie and tell me there aren't hundreds of examples of blacks killing innocent blacks in this great country. Hunt them down and bash them with bats if you want justice.

okay give me the exampls, forget the past month.

[DPG21920]

the person's doing the driveby's are caught and throw in prison, so......

:lmao Lank? So everyone that has done a drive by and killed someone is in prison? Please show me the lank that says that specifically. Also, if the system is that great and no one gets away with anything, how can GZ be guilty if he gets off?

[boobie4three]

Judge is letting this witness run the proceedings. Crazy.

[Trill Clinton]

:lmao Lank? So everyone that has done a drive by and killed someone is in prison? Please show me the lank that says that specifically. Also, if the system is that great and no one gets away with anything, how can GZ be guilty if he gets off?

here is the most recent lank. to hadiya pendleton, the little girl in chicago who was killed by two thugs. not that you really care about the lives of innocent black kids but here is the original story and the last lank is story saying the thugs were caught.

http://www.examiner.com/article/girl-who-performed-at-obama-inaugural-ceremony-murdered-on-south-side

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57568983/accused-hadiya-pendleton-killers-denied-bail/

[DPG21920]

okay give me the exampls, forget the past month.

http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/Publications/e02072864.pdf


One study of Los Angeles drive-by shootings in the early 1990s found that the proportion of those injured in drive-by shootings who were innocent bystanders ranged between 38 to 59 percent each year (Hutson, Anglin, and Eckstein 1996).


Read this and educate yourself fam. With your 100% dead on idea of justice, you will be outraged to learn the truth about drive by's and all the cowards out there killing innocent African American kids that need the Trill strap (so you claim) justice. Don't be a coward. Right the wrongs you know to be self evident.

[BradLohaus]

West might be screwing the pooch worse than DLR. But this asian guy is like a machine of super direct answers.

[DPG21920]

I care more about black kids dying than you do. You are a coward who got caught lying trying to look cool. That's cowardly. If you believe in justice, go do work. You have the strap, don't you?

[Trill Clinton]

an article from the 90's, in los angeles, one of the most violent times and in u.s history. i actually saw a documentary on gang violence in L.A., most of those who commited the crimes are dead or in jail and there were several demonstrations in those communities. there are a lot of good documentaries on that. if you would like i can point you to the right direction, that is if you genuinely give a fuck about innocent blacks dying.

[Trill Clinton]

I care more about black kids dying than you do.

:rollin

damn, who would have thought me wanting a kid killer to die would cause this reaction. i hope cowardman's life is cut short after the trial.

[Trill Clinton]

the best documentary so far touching on the gang violence in chicago was hbo's 'vice'. here is the lank if you genuinely give a fuck.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0HZZtTtq_E

[DPG21920]

:rollin

damn, who would have thought me wanting a kid killer to die would cause this reaction. i hope cowardman's life is cut short after the trial.

That's reaching doggie. Big time. You normally a big hitter on ST, but as a friend, I had to call you on this one big homie. It will make you a better man.

[DPG21920]

I've already done my research. You should too. Normally, with most people, you can get by with bullshitting and not knowing the facts. I just called you on this one and you ran into a buzzsaw. You still fam, you are a great smart and cool dude, but you got got on this one doggie.

Just educate yourself on the facts and you will never lose like this again.

[Trill Clinton]

That's reaching doggie. Big time. You normally a big hitter on ST, but as a friend, I had to call you on this one big homie. It will make you a better man.

yea ok.

whenever you're in SA and if you're really interested in the lives of inner city black youth, let me know.

[Trill Clinton]

I've already done my research. You should too. Normally, with most people, you can get by with bullshitting and not knowing the facts. I just called you on this one and you ran into a buzzsaw. You still fam, you are a great smart and cool dude, but you got got on this one doggie.

Just educate yourself on the facts and you will never lose like this again.

what facts?

[Trill Clinton]

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[DPG21920]

yea ok.

whenever you're in SA and if you're really interested in the lives of inner city black youth, let me know.

crofl - you should see the kids me and my fam sponsor doggie. It's not just black youth, its all races.

[DPG21920]

what facts?

Just stop dude.

[Trill Clinton]

Just stop dude.

no, you opened a can of worms and i am interested in seeing how genuine you are. you posted a link from 1990 in los angeles at the height of the gang era. it seems like you're not really informed on what is currently going on in the inner city. if you were you would have posted more relevant information.

i have noticed you like to argue and back down when you run out of steam so if that is what you're doing, i understand.

[Trill Clinton]

crofl - you should see the kids me and my fam sponsor doggie. It's not just black youth, its all races.

oh cool, what type of sponsor are you?

[BradLohaus]

I think this asian guy thinks he'll be thrown into the Chinese "volunteer work program" for life if he gets caught in any contradiction.

[Trill Clinton]

i like dr. boa

http://i.qkme.me/3v2udu.jpg

[Trill Clinton]

http://i44.tinypic.com/s11950.jpg

[BradLohaus]

It looks like the poor guy looked up memory notes on the internet to prove that he honestly couldn't possibly remember what exactly happened over a year ago. He didn't want to give them up. I think he's genuinely terrified of perjury.

[BradLohaus]

Can the judge just say "Look youre fine, don't worry about it." I feel bad for him. He'll probably lawyer up over lunch.

[DPG21920]

no, you opened a can of worms and i am interested in seeing how genuine you are. you posted a link from 1990 in los angeles at the height of the gang era. it seems like you're not really informed on what is currently going on in the inner city. if you were you would have posted more relevant information.

i have noticed you like to argue and back down when you run out of steam so if that is what you're doing, i understand.

Just stop. When someone implies everyone who does drive by's is in jail and that there aren't innocent people (including African American kids) killed in drive by's all the time, you've lost.

When someone points out you are either lying about what you believe or are too cowardly to act on what you believe is truly right, you've lost.

When you claim to care about minority youths, call someone out for not caring because you salty as funk over what just transpired only to find out that that person's family has been sponsoring kids all over the world for years (which includes many races), you've lost.

I don't click lanks, post lanks, I just post truth bombs. This time, you just happened to be the city devastated by those truth bombs doggie. You are still a really talented poster overall, but this happens to everyone sometimes. Even me. No need to be a sore loser or keep rambling. Just learn from it, educate yourself and elevate the level in which you think/post.

Also, if this helps you to follow through on what you really believe, all the better. Don't be a coward. If you believe that something is wrong and you possess the physical abilities to right those wrongs, its cowardly not to.

[Trill Clinton]

Just stop. When someone implies everyone who does drive by's is in jail and that there aren't innocent people (including African American kids) killed in drive by's all the time, you've lost.

When someone points out you are either lying about what you believe or are too cowardly to act on what you believe is truly right, you've lost.

When you claim to care about minority youths, call someone out for not caring because you salty as funk over what just transpired only to find out that that person's family has been sponsoring kids all over the world for years (which includes many races), you've lost.

I don't click lanks, post lanks, I just post truth bombs. This time, you just happened to be the city devastated by those truth bombs doggie. You are still a really talented poster overall, but this happens to everyone sometimes. Even me. No need to be a sore loser or keep rambling. Just learn from it, educated yourself and elevate the level in which you think/post.

Also, if this helps you to follow through on what you really believe, all the better. Don't be a coward. If you believe that something is wrong and you possess the physical abilities to right those wrongs, its cowardly not to.

lying about what? post what i lied about, doggie.

you should stop because you don't care, you really don't give a fuck. you just want to argue with me:p: yes i believe cowardman deserves a slow painful death. i never stated i was martin luther king, malcolm x or messy jackson. no way can 1 man be on top of the "hundreds of innocent" children murdered by driveby's, expecting so is a huge reach on your part.

you implied that there is no outrage after kids are killed by drivebys and the public doesn't demand their head on a stake, you lost right there. i posted a recent link to a story of a innocent girl who was killed and the killers were found. there was a huge public outcry prior to that as well.

can you name a case where the suspect of a drive by was at the scene of the crime and not arrested? no you can't, again, you reached.

you did post lanks( again you lie) you didn't post any truth bombs, you posted a 20 year old lank and a study on driveby's(which i doubt you read yourself). you are doing your typical fake caring just to argue with da don.

[DPG21920]

Well, ask the unbiased people of ST what they think. I will live with the majority vote.

[Trill Clinton]

how can you compare an unknown suspect in a driveby to a known suspect like cowardman who was at the scene and not arrested at the scene? reach

[Trill Clinton]

dpg wants blacks to go on a modern day witch hunt for unknown murder suspects, but is perplexed as to why blacks are upset a known murder suspect of a innocent kid wasn't arrested and charged while at the scene of the crime. amazing.

[DPG21920]

Nah doggie. Now you just acting the fool. I didn't ask for you to go after all blacks who kill blacks. I asked for you to stand up for what you believe in and go after one person. If you aren't a coward and believe what you type, GZ is in your sights doggie.

[Trill Clinton]

Nah doggie. Now you just acting the fool. I didn't ask for you to go after all blacks who kill blacks. I asked for you to stand up for what you believe in and go after one person. If you aren't a coward and believe what you type, GZ is in your sights doggie.

that makes no sense.

[DPG21920]

Well take it to the streets, doggie. Let ST decide who won. I have one vote in my favor already..

[Trill Clinton]

i don't care about what the biased ST streets think, doggie.

[scroteface]

I only care what the courts think, and they about to declare Zimmerman innocent of murder.

[Trill Clinton]

smh@ you wanting to win, sad. fake caring like i thought.



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[boutons_deux]

O'Mara's questioning nods to the notion that "Zimmerman’s innocence rests on the notion of Trayvon’s criminality," Mychal Denzel Smith writes in the Nation (http://www.thenation.com/blog/175065/trayvon-martin-and-black-manhood-trial#axzz2YBUuiQqb), adding that, "And in this country, it’s not that difficult to convince six people of the criminality of a 17-year-old black boy."

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/zimmerman-lawyer-bullies-trayvons-mother-say-her-son-caused-his-own-death

young black male in a hoodie, OBVIOUSLY he's the criminal who caused his own death.

[DPG21920]

I already won. The loser his is America with your mentality. And justice to. This coward GZ will go free and no justice will be served because good men, who know what is true justice refuse to do anything because they are scared.

[Fabbs]

"And in this country, it’s not that difficult to convince six people of the criminality of a 17-year-old black boy."

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/zimmerman-lawyer-bullies-trayvons-mother-say-her-son-caused-his-own-death

young black male in a hoodie, OBVIOUSLY he's the criminal who caused his own death.


bouts do you think, given the ingredients from which lean is made of and that Traybon purchased two of the three, that it's even remotely possible he was buying stuff to make lean? (and no, buying lean stuff and slizzing it should not be a death sentence).

[Trill Clinton]

I already won. The loser his is America with your mentality. And justice to. This coward GZ will go free and no justice will be served because good men, who know what is true justice refuse to do anything because they are scared.


This doesn't make sense.

[Trill Clinton]

Dpg I really am trying to pick up what you're putting down. Are you saying the millions of people who think casey anthony should die are cowards as well?

[boutons_deux]

bouts do you think, given the ingredients from which lean is made of and that Traybon purchased two of the three, that it's even remotely possible he was buying stuff to make lean? (and no, buying lean stuff and slizzing it should not be a death sentence).

I don't know what lean nor its ingredients (skittles? )are, and I'm not going to look it up.

Even if lean were his game, "it should not be a death sentence"

[scroteface]

but if youre already high and attack someone in a drug induced haze threatening their life then it should be a death sentence tbh

[Creepn]

but if youre already high and attack someone in a drug induced haze threatening their life then it should be a death sentence tbh

lol @ high. So high he was able to spot a speck on the floor of the grocery store and pick it up.

[Trill Clinton]

the reaching in here is still going. tray was drug tested and there was only a small trace of marijuana. no evidence of an opiate(which promethazine is) so......

[Trill Clinton]

lol@ the ingredients for lean but no evidence of the main ingredient. i guess every kid that walks out the store with skittles, starburst, jolly ranchers and a flavored drink is going to make lean. hahahaha the reaching today is hilarious...keep em coming.

[scroteface]

whether he was actually high or planning to make lean or not, the point stands that the media was dishonest and tried to portray things in a certain light by omitting certain facts and posting a pic of a 12 year old martin and zimmerman in what looks like an orange jumpsuit. and it worked beautifully, you monkeys got up and danced just like master told you to crying about racism and planning to go out and riot. i wouldn't be surprised if it was all another divide and conquer tactic to keep people at eachother instead of coming together to defeat the elite agenda or possibly another gun control ploy. get the coons out there attacking whites and demonize the whites like they plan to do when zimmerman is acquitted and when they shoot back in self defense, declare martial law and come in and confiscate the guns like they did in New Orleans after katrina tbh. wake up puppets.

[Trill Clinton]

geez you cowardman supporters sure do like to get racist. i can't take your talking points serious when a) you reach by saying the kid is drinking lean when he was drug tested and negative for opiates and b) you're flat out racist. look in the mirror doggie, ya'll are the puppets. wake up, its 2013 not the 1920's.

a white-hispanic kills a kid, go home. black woman defends her children from abusive husband, 20 years! be consistent here doggie.

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[scroteface]

all evidence points to zimmerman being innocent tbh, that's the difference. i guarantee you a jury of his peers in "2013 not 1920s" finds him innocent. only in your coon social justice wanting mind is zimmerman guilty. so are you also planning to go out and riot and attack whites whenever the verdict is read? just don't come around my way son, no white guilt here i'll fight back.

[Trill Clinton]

zimmerman is about as innocent as casey anthony

[scroteface]

no casey anthony was actually guilty and the evidence stated as such. casey anthony is with the likes of oj simpson, totally different category than george zimmerman. Last time OJ got off due to social justice. I can only hope in 2013 that we've moved past that and the court does the RIGHT thing by acquitting Zimmerman.

[boobie4three]

O'Meara about to ask for dismissal I believe. State hasn't come CLOSE to proving 2nd degree murder.

[Creepn]

The Judge denied the acquittal because there is enough direct and circumstancial evidence that proves Zimmerman is a murderer.

May come as a surprise to those disillusioned Zimmerman supporters but not to me.

[boobie4three]

The state FAILED to present evidence for 2nd degree murder. This judge is a COWARD who sentence this jury to a life of hell after they deliver a not guilty verdict.

[Trill Clinton]

"my brother mike...ehh i mean, miguel":lmao

[Creepn]

The state FAILED to present evidence for 2nd degree murder. This judge is a COWARD who sentence this jury to a life of hell after they deliver a not guilty verdict.

Doesn't matter. There was another case similar to this and they found the defendant guilty.

[pgardn]

zimmerman is about as innocent as casey anthony

This is the point in the US justice system, not guilty does not mean innocent.
Remember OJ? He was not guilty. How many peeps actually think he was innocent?

The burden of proof is on the state in this one. And they have failed in a case that was going to be very difficult to win in the first place. The masses cried for a closer look and a trial. They got what they wanted.

[Chomag]

The State has a very weak case. This should have never went to trial and honestly would not have had it not gained so much media attention. Is Zimmerman completely innocent? Maybe, or maybe not but the state just does not have enough to prove enough for a conviction.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

After looking at the forensic evidence and compare and contrast with Zimmerman's accounts as well as Z's accounts in and of itself, I fail to see how this is a slam dunk for the defense.

I did some poking around and in FL the jury will be instructed on manslaughter as well as the murder charge. The jury can find him guilty of manslaughter even if they do not find him guilty of murder.

I don't see the state being able to demonstrate depraved indifference for the murder rap but Martin's death through Zimmerman's negligence (re:manslaughter) seems pretty obvious especially given how deceptive he has been.

It all comes down to the jury and what we think is really besides the point anyway.

I find myself hoping for a conviction if only for the meltdown from m>s, CC, and whoever elses trolls that are fawning over Zimmerman in here.

[Chomag]

Manslaughter is a big possibility but definitely not murder. Unless the Jury just hates Zimmerman there just seems to be no proof beyond reasonable doubt ( at least as far as what the State has presented) of Ill intent.

[Wild Cobra]

Well, ask the unbiased people of ST what they think. I will live with the majority vote.
Unbiased people here at Sopurstalk...

Are there any?

[Wild Cobra]

how can you compare an unknown suspect in a driveby to a known suspect like cowardman who was at the scene and not arrested at the scene? reach
How can you not understand the circumstances, including Zimmerman's contact with the police before the shooting?

[da_suns_fan]

I finally listened to the 911 call with the screaming. Sounds like a man to me.

It COULD be Trayvon but why would someone who had no bruises on his body be screaming for help? It seems like he was kicking Zimmermans ass. Why would he need help?

I think Zimmerman went looking for trouble and he definitely should have just stayed in his car. He probably did profile Trayvon.

But it seems to me it was a fight started over two guys acting tough that got out of hand. Did Zimmerman have a right to shoot Trayvon? I have no idea.

[pgardn]

Manslaughter is a big possibility but definitely not murder. Unless the Jury just hates Zimmerman there just seems to be no proof beyond reasonable doubt ( at least as far as what the State has presented) of Ill intent.

Yes but the charge is 2nd degree murder. Under pressure, the prosecution bit off more than they can chew.
For those of you who think Zimmerman deserves some sort of punishment, you will have to wait for some sort of civil suit.
This is what happens when the public interacts too heavily with our justice system and fails to understand a case.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes but the charge is 2nd degree murder. Under pressure, the prosecution bit off more than they can chew.
For those of you who think Zimmerman deserves some sort of punishment, you will have to wait for some sort of civil suit.
This is what happens when the public interacts too heavily with our justice system and fails to understand a case.

A lot of words to say nothing. If you are going to claim that others do not understand then at least explain what they should understand.

You first sentence clearly display you do not understand how the law operates in FL. --Note this is how you respond when you say someone does not understand something-- The jury at trial will get instructions on how to rule on the case. The judge will inform them that they have the option of finding Zimmerman not guilty of the murder charge but still find him guilty of manslaughter. IOW, even though he was indicted for murder, he still is liable for a manslaughter charge.

Now tell us, what does the public not understand that you do? I understand that the judge rejected the defense motion to dismiss the case because she felt there were still possible grounds for a conviction.

[pgardn]

A lot of words to say nothing. If you are going to claim that others do not understand then at least explain what they should understand.

You first sentence clearly display you do not understand how the law operates in FL. --Note this is how you respond when you say someone does not understand something-- The jury at trial will get instructions on how to rule on the case. The judge will inform them that they have the option of finding Zimmerman not guilty of the murder charge but still find him guilty of manslaughter. IOW, even though he was indicted for murder, he still is liable for a manslaughter charge.

Now tell us, what does the public not understand that you do? I understand that the judge rejected the defense motion to dismiss the case because she felt there were still possible grounds for a conviction.

Yep you are correct.
And you clearly like to be. So I am glad I could supply the fodder.

So by what you have seen so far 2nd degree murder? Really?

Manslaughter should be the goal now, 2nd degree murder is long gone.
This is why we have trials. When this thing was first presented I was sure Zimmerman was a gun toting freak. He may still be, but there is no way this is 2nd degree murder. No way.

[Creepn]

Yep you are correct.
And you clearly like to be. So I am glad I could supply the fodder.

So by what you have seen so far 2nd degree murder? Really?

Manslaughter should be the goal now, 2nd degree murder is long gone.
This is why we have trials. When this thing was first presented I was sure Zimmerman was a gun toting freak. He may still be, but there is no way this is 2nd degree murder. No way.
There's a case similar to this, don't know the name sorry, but one guy claimed he killed I'm self defense but because of his numerous inconsistencies like Zimmerman, the jury found him guilty of murder. They're wasn't a lot of hard evidence in that case a well.

[pgardn]

There's a case similar to this, don't know the name sorry, but one guy claimed he killed I'm self defense but because of his numerous inconsistencies like Zimmerman, the jury found him guilty of murder. They're wasn't a lot of hard evidence in that case a well.

When I first read about this I thought now we got another Florida stand your ground nut carrying a gun around. Then I saw pictures put out of a very young kid that was killed and then read he was a high schooler. Then the doubts started. From what I have seen there is no way you can charge him of 2nd degree murder as the inconsistencies are just not as pertinent as something like Zimmerman was actually on top beating the kid. There are bound to be recollections that are not exact and I just don't see them as pertinent enough.

The above stated I can see manslaughter clearly still on the table which probably implies a range of sentencing that could be severe. But from what has been shown so far, IMO this is not 2nd degree murder. One never knows what a jury does. When OJ was found not guilty nothing is out of the realm of possibility. The jury was totally mislead by a misunderstanding of DNA evidence that would have resulted in a conviction today.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yep you are correct.
And you clearly like to be. So I am glad I could supply the fodder.

So by what you have seen so far 2nd degree murder? Really?

Manslaughter should be the goal now, 2nd degree murder is long gone.
This is why we have trials. When this thing was first presented I was sure Zimmerman was a gun toting freak. He may still be, but there is no way this is 2nd degree murder. No way.

Zimmerman is deceptive and was agitated and angry during his pursuit prior to the shooting. If the states account is true that Zimmerman was on top and Martin was screaming for help when Zimmerman shot him.

Those aren't grounds for murder 2? I am not saying that that is indeed what happened but given that scenario --shooting a helpless victim after demonstrating anger and then lying about it to cover it up-- but that all sounds like a heinous crime.

[tlongII]

Zimmerman is deceptive and was agitated and angry during his pursuit prior to the shooting. If the states account is true that Zimmerman was on top and Martin was screaming for help when Zimmerman shot him.

Those aren't grounds for murder 2? I am not saying that that is indeed what happened but given that scenario --shooting a helpless victim after demonstrating anger and then lying about it to cover it up-- but that all sounds like a heinous crime.

That's ridiculous. Zimmerman will be found not guilty.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's ridiculous. Zimmerman will be found not guilty.

And another so called 'conservative' who fails to demonstrate the ability to articulate a damn thing.

I don't think there has been any question that Zimmerman will lie to stay out of jail since the bail hearing. The forensic testimony compounds this. In short, Zimmerman cannot be trusted.

His call into 9-11 and subsequent actions of following Martin when it was suggested he not and then getting out of his car all could conceivably be seen as an angry and agitated state.

The main point of contention that I see is who was on top and who was screaming for help. If the jury believes the state's main witness and not the countering accounts then that is a basis for murder 2 . That is an 'if' that is probably insurmountable but much stranger things have happened.

Even if that is not the case. Manslaughter doesn't have such high standards to meet.

I don't know what the jurors are going to decide so I am not going to front like I do. You have fun with that though.

[Fabbs]

I don't know what the jurors are going to decide so I am not going to front like I do.
okay

[tlongII]

And another so called 'conservative' who fails to demonstrate the ability to articulate a damn thing.

I don't think there has been any question that Zimmerman will lie to stay out of jail since the bail hearing. The forensic testimony compounds this. In short, Zimmerman cannot be trusted.

His call into 9-11 and subsequent actions of following Martin when it was suggested he not and then getting out of his car all could conceivably be seen as an angry and agitated state.

The main point of contention that I see is who was on top and who was screaming for help. If the jury believes the state's main witness and not the countering accounts then that is a basis for murder 2 . That is an 'if' that is probably insurmountable but much stranger things have happened.

Even if that is not the case. Manslaughter doesn't have such high standards to meet.

I don't know what the jurors are going to decide so I am not going to front like I do. You have fun with that though.

You're an idiot.

[Wild Cobra]

You're an idiot.
Why do you bother with Fussy? I just ignore the bitch.

[elbamba]

Zimmerman is deceptive and was agitated and angry during his pursuit prior to the shooting. If the states account is true that Zimmerman was on top and Martin was screaming for help when Zimmerman shot him.

Those aren't grounds for murder 2? I am not saying that that is indeed what happened but given that scenario --shooting a helpless victim after demonstrating anger and then lying about it to cover it up-- but that all sounds like a heinous crime.
The testimony and evidence clesrly shows thst this is not what happened. Evidence that the prosecution saw before they charged second degree murder.

I am not a fan of lesser included offences. Not sure if that is how they bring in manslaughter charges, but it seems like two bites st the apple. They should charge manslaughter if they are going to ultimately try to show manslaughter.

[elbamba]

And another so called 'conservative' who fails to demonstrate the ability to articulate a damn thing.

I don't think there has been any question that Zimmerman will lie to stay out of jail since the bail hearing. The forensic testimony compounds this. In short, Zimmerman cannot be trusted.

His call into 9-11 and subsequent actions of following Martin when it was suggested he not and then getting out of his car all could conceivably be seen as an angry and agitated state.

The main point of contention that I see is who was on top and who was screaming for help. If the jury believes the state's main witness and not the countering accounts then that is a basis for murder 2 . That is an 'if' that is probably insurmountable but much stranger things have happened.

Even if that is not the case. Manslaughter doesn't have such high standards to meet.

I don't know what the jurors are going to decide so I am not going to front like I do. You have fun with that though.

Zimmerman has not given one line of testimony in this case so I am not sure how much his veracity matters. What this case should come down to is if the jury belives Martins friend, who repeatedly lied leading up to her tedtimony. I am not sure how credible she was before the jury.

Noone has been able go testify with certainty. To me, that does not meet the burden of proof for beyond reasonable doubt. I dont know how the jury will decide but I don't think the prosecution met its burden and I think the judge was wrong not to dismiss the 2nd degree charge.

[Wild Cobra]

The burden of proof is clearly not met.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The testimony and evidence clesrly shows thst this is not what happened. Evidence that the prosecution saw before they charged second degree murder.

I am not a fan of lesser included offences. Not sure if that is how they bring in manslaughter charges, but it seems like two bites st the apple. They should charge manslaughter if they are going to ultimately try to show manslaughter.

The evidence shows nothing clearly. There are conflicting reports as a matter of fact thus reasonable doubt.

What they should or should not have to do is besides the point. The law is clear and the jury will have the option to convict on either grounds.