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clambake
06-25-2013, 02:54 PM
he didn't wait. he was trying to shoot from the beginning.
clambake
06-25-2013, 02:54 PM
and lol brutal.
CosmicCowboy
06-25-2013, 02:55 PM
we don't know when Z drew the gun, or when M saw it. If M saw the gun before it was drawn, he had every right to Defend His Ground, go on offense as best defense, against the blatant threat he perceived from an armed stalker.
And in comes Boo right on time with the comic relief.
CosmicCowboy
06-25-2013, 02:56 PM
he didn't wait. he was trying to shoot from the beginning.
:lmao
and not a single piece of evidence to substantiate this ridiculous allegation
clambake
06-25-2013, 02:57 PM
:lmao
and not a single piece of evidence to substantiate this ridiculous allegation
you're right, princess. all we have is z's word.
and he's already a confirmed liar.
boobie4three
06-25-2013, 02:59 PM
he didn't wait. he was trying to shoot from the beginning.
OMG. YOU WERE THERE!. Why aren't you at the courthouse testifying? It's your duty.
clambake
06-25-2013, 03:03 PM
OMG. YOU WERE THERE!. Why aren't you at the courthouse testifying? It's your duty.
i don't have to be there to know that george is a liar. neither do you.
CosmicCowboy
06-25-2013, 03:05 PM
i don't have to be there to know that george is a liar. neither do you.
George is a liar and a scumbag but according to Florida law he is not a murderer and the jury is going to agree with me.
clambake
06-25-2013, 03:06 PM
i say he is a murderer and the jury is going to agree with you.
clambake
06-25-2013, 03:08 PM
and cuckingfunt is chumpdumper.
chump has a nice rack.
Trill Clinton
06-25-2013, 03:14 PM
4:12 p.m. ET: Bahadoor turned the stove off and went back to the sliding glass door. Prosecutor de la Rionda asks her what she observed.
"It was just a body in the grass," said Bahadoor. "I remember it being face down."
The prosecutor then asks her about the gunshot.
"When I went to take the stove off, that's when the shot occurred," she said.
4:10 p.m. ET: Bahadoor saw two other people looking out at the scene. One person came out on his porch.
"What I remember him saying is, 'What is going on out here? Do you need me to call the cops?' He said it twice," said Bahadoor, then went back inside. She remembers the individuals standing.
4:06 p.m. ET: Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asks Bahadoor if she heard screaming.
"I just heard what sounded like, 'No,'" said Bahadoor. She didn't see their faces and couldn't give a clothing description.
4:04 p.m. ET: Bahadoor says she looked outside but couldn't see anything because her view was obstructed so she moved to the sliding glass doors.
“I saw what looked as figures and arms flailing,” said Bahadoor. It looked like two individuals in a standing position. She says it was too dark to identify them.
4:00 p.m. ET: It was raining intermittently that night, according to Bahadoor. She heard a noise in the rear of the house at some point.
"It was not clearly distinguishable but it sounded like, 'No' or 'Uhhh' -- that's what it sounded like," said Bahadoor.
She also heard a noise that sounded like running.
"It sounded like something hitting the concrete, it sounded like running," said Bahadoor.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www/release/sites/default/files/static/images/zimmerman-selene-bahadoor.jpg3:58 p.m. ET: Bahadoor's bi-level townhome has three bedrooms upstairs. She was home on the night of the incident with her sister, niece and her niece's friend. There's a shared backyard and the porch is screened in with a door. She was downstairs in the rear of the townhome.
3:55 p.m. ET: The prosecution has called Selene Bahadoor to the stand. She works as an IT analyst at a hospital and lived in Zimmerman's neighborhood.
3:52 p.m. ET: Smith says a few of the officers on scene helped her search for blood by using flashlights. She was not notified of any blood. The prosecution has finished its questions and Smith has been excused.
3:49 p.m. ET: Martin's sweatshirt is displayed in court by Prosecutor Guy. He also displays the undershirt worn by Martin.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www/release/sites/default/files/static/images/trayvon-martin-hoodie.jpg3:46 p.m. ET: Prosecutor Guy begins his re-direct examination. Smith says she needs consent from the medical examiner's office before she can pull things out of a victim's pockets because they have custody of the body.
Trill Clinton
06-25-2013, 03:33 PM
4:29 p.m. ET: Bahadoor says she believes mentioning a noise to investigators but doesn't know if she told them which direction it went. She says she can't remember the first person she told about the direction of the noise.
4:24 p.m. ET: The attorneys are at a sidebar.
4:23 p.m. ET: The last person Bahadoor spoke to about her testimony was an investigator for the state attorney's office. She says he gave her a transcript to help her prepare for her testimony. She says she can't remember if she told investigators originally that the running noise went "left to right" behind her house. Defense attorney O'Mara wants to give her the transcript to refresh her memory.
4:20 p.m. ET: Zimmerman previously introduced himself to Bahadoor as a neighborhood watch person. Prosecutor de la Rionda has finished his direct examination.
4:18 p.m. ET: Bahadoor points out on another diagram where she heard the running going behind her home.
4:14 p.m. ET: Prosecutor de la Rionda gets Bahadoor to confirm on a map the direction she heard the running going by her home.
boobie4three
06-25-2013, 03:34 PM
Botched her talking points.
boobie4three
06-25-2013, 03:36 PM
She sounds coached up.
clambake
06-25-2013, 03:41 PM
geez, george is fat. probably killed him for the skittles.
Trill Clinton
06-25-2013, 03:41 PM
she's nervous, but i give it to o'mara by trying to trap her up.
Trill Clinton
06-25-2013, 03:52 PM
geez, george is fat. probably killed him for the skittles.
can you imagine present day george chasing trayvon?
boobie4three
06-25-2013, 03:52 PM
This witness has been debunked. Next.
Big Empty
06-25-2013, 03:53 PM
If Zimmerman goes free im betting some poor innocent white kid will be killed in retaliation..
FuzzyLumpkins
06-25-2013, 04:19 PM
Botched her talking points.
She sounds coached up.
This witness has been debunked. Next.
We need to get you some pom-poms and Zimmerman t-shirt.
boobie4three
06-25-2013, 04:20 PM
We need to get you some pom-poms and Zimmerman t-shirt.
I get that way when I see a person perjure his or herself.
FuzzyLumpkins
06-25-2013, 04:24 PM
I get that way when I see a person perjure his or herself.
So would you prefer one with just his face? If it is his face do you want the arrest one or the fat trial one?
Or would you prefer one of the "I <3 George" type t-shirts?
boobie4three
06-25-2013, 04:28 PM
So would you prefer one with just his face? If it is his face do you want the arrest one or the fat trial one?
Or would you prefer one of the "I <3 George" type t-shirts?
Evidently you weren't watching the live proceedings like I was. Because if you were, and you're halfway honest, you'd agree this witness for the state was lying out her ass.
FuzzyLumpkins
06-25-2013, 04:29 PM
Evidently you weren't watching the live proceedings like I was. Because if you were, and you're halfway honest, you'd agree this witness for the state was lying out her ass.
Pom-poms then?
Ignignokt
06-25-2013, 04:35 PM
lol... lying is a okay
Trill Clinton
06-25-2013, 04:54 PM
yea i didn't like this witness. did zimmerman profile and stalk tray? yes. i understand her wanting to do what's right but the justice system has law's in place and common sense just doesn't cut it.
5:24 p.m. ET: The judge has recessed court for the day. Testimony will resume Wednesday at 9:00 a.m. ET.
5:23 p.m. ET: O'Mara shows Bahadoor her Facebook page and points out that she signed a petition on Change.org in favor of prosecuting Zimmerman. O'Mara has finished his questions and Bahadoor has been excused.
5:21 p.m. ET: Prosecutor de la Rionda has finished his re-direct examination. O'Mara asks Bahadoor if she wanted to be on national TV.
"I was only doing it so they could bring attention to what had happened," said Bahadoor.
5:17 p.m. ET: Bahadoor says investigators never asked her specifically about the direction of the running. She also says the defense attorneys never asked her specifically about the direction of the running during her deposition.
5:14 p.m. ET: Bahadoor says she wanted to remain silent and not get involved at all. She came forward when police held a meeting in the community, asking people who saw things to come forward.
5:12 p.m. ET: Defense attorney O'Mara has Bahadoor demonstrate for the jury what the flailing arms she saw looked like.
"I just saw arms moving up and down," she said, calling the motion "fast-paced."
O'Mara has finished his cross-examination of Bahadoor.
5:10 p.m. ET: Bahadoor has heard the 911 call in the media. The screams she heard were similar to the ones heard in the background of the call. She says they could be the same ones.
5:07 p.m. ET: Bahadoor looks at a sketch she made for police and says it shows where her house is and where she believes she saw arms.
5:04 p.m. ET: The attorneys are at a sidebar.
5:03 p.m. ET: O'Mara asks Bahadoor if she liked the "Justice for Trayvon Martin" Facebook page. She says yes but says, "I have sympathy for both." She says the opportunity didn't present itself for her to like a page for Zimmerman on Facebook.
5:02 p.m. ET: Bahadoor says she gave her first statement when the community had a town hall about the incident.
Defense attorney O'Mara asks her if she realized she had witnessed a shooting.
"I didn't think what I saw was significant -- or what I heard was significant," said Bahadoor.
5:00 p.m. ET: When she heard the gunshot, Bahadoor went upstairs to be with her sister.
4:57 p.m. ET: Bahadoor points out on a map where she was looking out the window. She says it was too dark to determine how the individuals were standing or if one was on top of the other.
4:53 p.m. ET: Bahadoor says her sister was upstairs during the incident and she's not sure what she saw. O'Mara asks if her sister told her she would say she saw something even though she didn't. The prosecution objects and the judge sustains.
4:51 p.m. ET: “I don’t see mention of left-to-right,” said Bahadoor, in reference to the transcript of her deposition.
“Was today the first time you ever said to anybody… that there was movement from left-to-right? Was today the first time?” asked O’Mara.
“Well based on these transcripts, it was the first time being recorded,” said Bahadoor.
“No, I’m asking you, right here today, is this the first time you mentioned to anybody that there was movement from left-to-right?” asked O’Mara.
“No,” said Bahadoor.
“Who was the first person that you told that to?” asked O’Mara.
“When I talked to my sister,” said Bahadoor.
TeyshaBlue
06-25-2013, 04:57 PM
yea i didn't like this witness. did zimmerman profile and stalk tray? yes. i understand her wanting to do what's right but the justice system has law's in place and common sense just doesn't cut it.
That's because we don't have a justice system. We have a legal system.
FuzzyLumpkins
06-25-2013, 04:58 PM
lol... lying is a okay
What exactly is the lie?
Trill Clinton
06-25-2013, 05:01 PM
That's because we don't have a justice system. We have a legal system.
oops meant legal system. no justice in the legal system.
Trill Clinton
06-25-2013, 05:03 PM
its interesting to see the supporters of each side and how they react during this trial. on the martin family side, peaceful demonstrations, love and support, class, empathy. on the zimmerman side, racism, hate, ignorance...big difference.
TeyshaBlue
06-25-2013, 05:11 PM
oops meant legal system. no justice in the legal system.
Word.:depressed
CosmicCowboy
06-25-2013, 05:21 PM
Poor Prosecution has Bahadoor and the defense team has THIS guy...
w47eL_jTieI
Creepn
06-25-2013, 06:25 PM
and cuckingfunt is chumpdumper.
chump has a nice rack.
I hope not. I voted CuckingFunt in a top naughty women poll.
Fabbs
06-25-2013, 06:33 PM
i say he is a murderer and the jury is going to agree with you.
About the 8th time on this thread. A strong argument does not need to parrot out the same thing over and over. Makes it seem like you're really not so sure.
Travonz and GZ supporters, along with those of us who were not there and thus do not KNOW the entire sequence, could you give your predictions of the outcome on a separate thread.
Thank you.
boobie4three
06-25-2013, 06:56 PM
About the 8th time on this thread. A strong argument does not need to parrot out the same thing over and over. Makes it seem like you're really not so sure.
Travonz and GZ supporters, along with those of us who were not there and thus do not KNOW the entire sequence, could you give your predictions of the outcome on a separate thread.
Thank you.
Or Creepn could just edit this thread and add a poll,... if'n he had a hankerin'.
Big Empty
06-25-2013, 07:25 PM
Poor Prosecution has Bahadoor and the defense team has THIS guy...
w47eL_jTieIdamn if this guy wasnt such a big pussy martin may be alive and zimmerman could possibly be skinny still. Blank Man is getting his ass beat yelling for help, and this worthless american runs upstairs n looks out his window
clambake
06-25-2013, 07:28 PM
About the 8th time on this thread. A strong argument does not need to parrot out the same thing over and over. Makes it seem like you're really not so sure.
Travonz and GZ supporters, along with those of us who were not there and thus do not KNOW the entire sequence, could you give your predictions of the outcome on a separate thread.
Thank you.
not here for you.
thanks anyway.
Ignignokt
06-25-2013, 07:35 PM
its interesting to see the supporters of each side and how they react during this trial. on the martin family side, peaceful demonstrations, love and support, class, empathy. on the zimmerman side, racism, hate, ignorance...big difference.
OOOPpsss ded!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126003/Trayvon-Martin-case-6-youths-beat-man-78-twisted-racial-revenge-attack.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1mx9s2Dyi4
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!
http://i.imgur.com/jFdVc.jpg
CosmicCowboy
06-25-2013, 09:47 PM
:lmao
Here is the states star witness:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/twitter/rachel-jeantel-758403
boobie4three
06-26-2013, 02:24 AM
:lmao
Here is the states star witness:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/twitter/rachel-jeantel-758403
That's one illiterate bitch. Hope she can remain sober long enough to give her testimony.
Wild Cobra
06-26-2013, 04:05 AM
My point is that there were two actions that Z did that were against Neighborhood Watch rules:
1. be armed
2. confront the suspect
GFY
Idiot.
It has been explained that he was not in his official capacity when this incident occurred.
Wild Cobra
06-26-2013, 04:06 AM
George Zimmerman…Wanna B Cop…No Formal Training…No Watch group uniform or ID Badge…Was told by police dispatcher to not follow Trayvon…Zimmerman armed with a 9 mm ignores instructions & follows 17 year old Trayvon…Trayvon asks hey man why are you following me…Smart azz loser Zimmerman does not identify himself as a Neighborhood watch person but instead says I am not following you….Zimmerman is a complete whack who started the confrontation and when 17 year old Trayvon got the upper hand in the conflict he was shot…
Why should anyone take a liar like yourself serious?
Wild Cobra
06-26-2013, 04:08 AM
He didn't need to be armed.
I'll bet if Zimmerman wasn't armed, he would be dead, brain dead, or seriously injured by Martin's assault.
Wild Cobra
06-26-2013, 04:10 AM
I feel sorry for this prosecutor. The only reason they filed on Zimmerman iinitially was because the head lady folded like a cheap lawn chair under the political pressure. He has a shit case and has to try to build something out of unrelated circumstantial bullshit.
I agree. It wouldn't surprise me if the prosecutor doesn't even want this losing case.
Wild Cobra
06-26-2013, 04:13 AM
c) Cornbread.
What do I win?
Wild Cobra
06-26-2013, 04:15 AM
The only real shot Zimmerman has at getting convicted imo is if the prosecution can catch him in a few lies or one major lie and completely kill his credibility. Otherwise I agree with you he's getting found not guilty.
That was very, very obvious from the start of this last year. The only way he will be prosecuted is if his story is false, and he slips up in his story.
Wild Cobra
06-26-2013, 04:24 AM
and cuckingfunt is chumpdumper.
chump has a nice rack.
Is that why you and chump are in love?
Sorry, but i couldn't resist. Remember when one of you put one of my photobucket pictures in your sig, and i altered with a valentines heart with both your names? That was in the sig for months before it was removed. I couldn't help but think it wasn't because it wasn't noticed, but because the two of you do love each other!
Wild Cobra
06-26-2013, 04:25 AM
can you imagine present day george chasing trayvon?
He wasn't very lean when the incident occurred...
Wild Cobra
06-26-2013, 04:33 AM
That's one illiterate bitch. Hope she can remain sober long enough to give her testimony.
Wouldn't it be funny if her story changed once on the stand?
boobie4three
06-26-2013, 07:59 AM
Wouldn't it be funny if her story changed once on the stand?
The defense lawyer ripped yesterday's witness to shreds. I expect more of the same with this "star" witness. Must see TV.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/jackson.gif
clambake
06-26-2013, 08:13 AM
Is that why you and chump are in love?
Sorry, but i couldn't resist. Remember when one of you put one of my photobucket pictures in your sig, and i altered with a valentines heart with both your names? That was in the sig for months before it was removed. I couldn't help but think it wasn't because it wasn't noticed, but because the two of you do love each other!
and you wonder why she escaped.
Trill Clinton
06-26-2013, 08:13 AM
who said that hoodrat is the star witness, lank please?
anyways, i get the vibe most of you in this thread want to see zimmerman walk with no punishment whatsoever. very few of you think he is the true thug who stalked and murdered an unarmed teen, but most of you feel he should be free and able to go back to his daddy's couch. tray was a 17 year old kid who was approached by a stranger in the middle of the night, most kids in that situation will feel threatened and fight for their life.
as a black male it is very sad and concerning that white america's interest in this case is seeing a white-hispanic get off with killing a black male. its just like when blacks in the 90's celebrated when OJ was found not guilty for killing his ex wife. i guess this is white america's payback for the OJ trial mixed with their natural hate for minorities, sad.
CosmicCowboy
06-26-2013, 08:13 AM
Not saying I believe it but this is a fascinating read. I had no idea this shit existed. If you read it with an open mind it takes a lot of unrelated information and seems on the surface (without doing a lot of further research) to connect a lot of dots.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/24/update-26-part-2-trayvon-martin-shooting-a-year-of-drug-use-culminates-in-predictable-violence/
Trill Clinton
06-26-2013, 08:18 AM
for the record, not saying all whites in support of zimmerman are racist but its hard not to think that when they donated over 1million dollars to a child killer. i've never seen that type of support for a murder suspect. oh and the fact that the pro zimmerman team is having to grasp at straws like a 17 year old's marijuana use and fighting in school, really?!? that has no bearing on that night at all. he had no criminal history and smoked a little weed but they want to act like he was out here smoking meth, crack and shooting up heroin, give me a break.
i thinks its more concerning that a grown man has protective orders against him for domestic violence and fought a police officer than a 17 year old smoking a blunt of weed.
Trill Clinton
06-26-2013, 08:26 AM
9:24 a.m. ET: Surdyka said the last yelp she heard was made by the "boy" in her opinion.
9:22 a.m. ET: "I could see two people one the ground. One on top of each other." said Surdyka.
9:19 a.m. ET: Surdyka said shut off the lights in her townhome so she could see into the courtyard better.
9:16 a.m. ET: "All I could really hear. You know I guess I expected to open the window and like hear a conversation going on. But it really wasn't like someone out there just talking. When I opened the window a very aggressive voice. Someone sounded very angry, very aggigitated, and that kind of struck me. I don't know why I didn't hear the words," said Surdyka.
9:14 a.m. ET: After hearing voices, Surdyka opened a window and could see into the courtyard.
9:13 a.m. ET: Surdyka said she got up to close the window of her townhome, because it was raining on Feburary 26, 2012. Shortly after closing the window, she heard a loud "dominant" voice.
9:10 a.m. ET: Prosecutor Bernie De La Rionda has called Jane Surdyka to the stand. She was living in the Zimmerman's neighborhood, Resort at Twin Lakes, at the time of the shooting.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www/release/sites/default/files/static/images/blhor_145.jpg 9:07 a.m. ET: Here are some notes on the alternate juror that was just dismissed:
Appears to be the youngest on the panel
Resident of Seminole County, Florida for nine years
From Chicago
Single no kids
Working at current job for 1 year
No prior jury service
9:05 a.m. ET: Nelson has ruled that the five calls Zimmerman made reporting other suspicious people in his neighborhood will be admissible. An alternate juror has been dismissed for reasons unrelated to the trial.
9:00 a.m. ET: Judge Debra Nelson is on the stand, and the attorneys have joined her for a sidebar.
Sportcamper
06-26-2013, 08:32 AM
Not saying I believe it but this is a fascinating read. I had no idea this shit existed. If you read it with an open mind it takes a lot of unrelated information and seems on the surface (without doing a lot of further research) to connect a lot of dots.
WOW…Bad News for the crazy stoners on this forum who are ranting to themselves at 2:00 AM… :lol
Frank Dux
06-26-2013, 08:45 AM
I'll bet if Zimmerman wasn't armed, he would be dead, brain dead, or seriously injured by Martin's assault.
If he didn't have his pistol I doubt he would have been out hunting for kids.
BradLohaus
06-26-2013, 08:45 AM
The girlfriend will testify soon according to CNN.
BradLohaus
06-26-2013, 08:51 AM
OMara destroyed the 1st witness yesterday btw. On top of that she signed a petition: "justice for Trayvon/prosecute Zimmerman" on Facebook. Delete your Facebook account today!
leemajors
06-26-2013, 09:02 AM
Not saying I believe it but this is a fascinating read. I had no idea this shit existed. If you read it with an open mind it takes a lot of unrelated information and seems on the surface (without doing a lot of further research) to connect a lot of dots.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/24/update-26-part-2-trayvon-martin-shooting-a-year-of-drug-use-culminates-in-predictable-violence/
then you read his comments after the article.
tlongII
06-26-2013, 09:11 AM
who said that hoodrat is the star witness, lank please?
anyways, i get the vibe most of you in this thread want to see zimmerman walk with no punishment whatsoever. very few of you think he is the true thug who stalked and murdered an unarmed teen, but most of you feel he should be free and able to go back to his daddy's couch. tray was a 17 year old kid who was approached by a stranger in the middle of the night, most kids in that situation will feel threatened and fight for their life.
as a black male it is very sad and concerning that white america's interest in this case is seeing a white-hispanic get off with killing a black male. its just like when blacks in the 90's celebrated when OJ was found not guilty for killing his ex wife. i guess this is white america's payback for the OJ trial mixed with their natural hate for minorities, sad.
Trill, Zimmerman did not murder Trayvon. That is obvious to anyone with a bit of understanding of Florida law. He is an idiot and one could argue that his actions resulted in the needless death of a kid, but he is not guilty of murder. Frankly I'm surprised you think he is.
boutons_deux
06-26-2013, 09:12 AM
"connect a lot of dots."
... that lead to M being justifiably murdered by armed, stalking, vigilante, wannabe-cop Z?
Trill Clinton
06-26-2013, 09:16 AM
Trill, Zimmerman did not murder Trayvon. That is obvious to anyone with a bit of understanding of Florida law. He is an idiot and one could argue that his actions resulted in the needless death of a kid, but he is not guilty of murder. Frankly I'm surprised you think he is.
Tdawg...did OJ murder nicole simpson and her boyfriend? forget about the laws and what the states define it as. zimmerman will probably be let off with a slap on the wrist but at the end of the day, he profiled a teen, followed him, confronted him and killed him.
Creepn
06-26-2013, 09:28 AM
Man this witness sucks. Very disappointing.
Trill Clinton
06-26-2013, 09:53 AM
Man this witness sucks. Very disappointing.
i disagree. i think she was solid. she was unshakable, you can tell the lawyer was getting frustrated with her.
elbamba
06-26-2013, 10:05 AM
i disagree. i think she was solid. she was unshakable, you can tell the lawyer was getting frustrated with her.
She contradicted herself a hand full of times. Her opinion was almost entirely based on info that came from the news after the shooting. Nothing that she said about what she actually witnessed helped the case. The best and most effective part of her testimony was her 911 call.
Her recollection of Martin being on the ground face down and getting shot (in the back) pretty much confirms that what she saw is not what actually happened. Effective objections by the prosecution but if the jury takes what I took away from the questions and answers, her account does not add up.
BradLohaus
06-26-2013, 10:10 AM
She sounded crazy, hysterical and unreliable; other normal women will pick up on that.
Trill Clinton
06-26-2013, 10:11 AM
how did she contradict herself? she repeated several times she heard what sounded like a boys voice and she hasn't backed down from that.
BradLohaus
06-26-2013, 10:11 AM
Probably better than most men.
Trill Clinton
06-26-2013, 10:11 AM
lol
Creepn
06-26-2013, 10:14 AM
how did she contradict herself? she repeated several times she heard what sounded like a boys voice and she hasn't backed down from that.
Yeah but the lawyer drew the point that it was all assumption. Older men can have high pitch voices like Mike Tyson or younger men can have deep voices. The fact that she didn't actually see the two speak, she is not able to specifically pinpoint whose voice is who. She didn't even witness the changing of positions after the shots. She was just so vague.
elbamba
06-26-2013, 10:15 AM
how did she contradict herself? she repeated several times she heard what sounded like a boys voice and she hasn't backed down from that.
Not appearing on TV and then saying that she did.
I used to teach school but I have not been a teacher for a few years so I can't definitively answer if 17 year old boys can have a deep voice.
There were others that I don't recall right now. She contradicted herself what seemed like 6-7 times.
She also refused to answer definitively obvious questions.
elbamba
06-26-2013, 10:16 AM
Yeah but the lawyer drew the point that it was all assumption. Older men can have high pitch voices like Mike Tyson or younger men can have deep voices. The fact that she didn't actually see the two speak, she is not able to specifically pinpoint whose voice is who. She didn't even witness the changing of positions of shots. She was just so vague.
Her testiony was weak. Her 911 call was very good for the prosecution.
elbamba
06-26-2013, 10:17 AM
BTW, in the 911 call she refers to both Martin and Zimmerman as men I believe twice.
CosmicCowboy
06-26-2013, 10:25 AM
:lol
This attorney give a blow by blow description of just what a disaster yesterday was for the prosecution...I'm tellin you guys, I feel sorry for the DA...
Today can only be characterized as an utter debacle for the prosecution in Florida v. Zimmerman. Besides the testimony of a couple of highly professional law enforcement witnesses, the testimony of the the other State witnesses ranged from signing George Zimmerman’s praises, to acknowledging the utility of following a suspicious person from a distance, to being utterly discredited by razor sharp cross-examination of the defense.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerman-trial-day-2-analysis-of-states-witnesses/
boobie4three
06-26-2013, 11:11 AM
how did she contradict herself? she repeated several times she heard what sounded like a boys voice and she hasn't backed down from that.
She uses a blatantly racist term and you give her a pass. Come on man, try to maintain some consistency. You're losing credibility fast.
boutons_deux
06-26-2013, 11:13 AM
she didn't ADDRESS TM as "boy", she described the voice as that of a boy. GFY
Creepn
06-26-2013, 11:23 AM
She uses a blatantly racist term and you give her a pass. Come on man, try to maintain some consistency. You're losing credibility fast.
Were you the one that supplied West that lame knock knock joke?
boobie4three
06-26-2013, 11:25 AM
she didn't ADDRESS TM as "boy", she described the voice as that of a boy. GFY
Doesn't matter. If it had been said by any white other than the state witness, Trill and others of his mindset would have jumped all over them. They play the race card the drop of the hat. GFY.
boobie4three
06-26-2013, 11:27 AM
Were you the one that supplied West that lame knock knock joke?
Hey, it sounded funny when I sent it to him. It's all in the delivery.
BradLohaus
06-26-2013, 12:07 PM
I called it before she said it to my friends I'm watching this with, but I should have typed it here too: the blond never had kids. Post menopausal women who are attractive but never had kids are crazy as fuck. This is super star time for her. She wore her best formal cougar dress lol.
boobie4three
06-26-2013, 12:13 PM
I called it before she said it to my friends I'm watching this with, but I should have typed it here too: the blond never had kids. Post menopausal women who are attractive but never had kids are crazy as fuck. This is super star time for her. She wore her best formal cougar dress lol.
Dude, were we looking at the same woman? Anyway, she's the second state witness to be destroyed and after the lunch break, the defense will finish shredding the third.
BradLohaus
06-26-2013, 12:27 PM
"Attractive" the blond was like 60 years old.
BradLohaus
06-26-2013, 12:31 PM
And yes, the defense is slicing through these female witnesses. This will probably go over better with a group of women than with mixed sexes.
Creepn
06-26-2013, 12:55 PM
Omara is one deceiving bastard trying to lead the witness. Zimmerman is still the bigger person compared to present day Trayvon. He was still skinny.
elbamba
06-26-2013, 12:59 PM
Omara is one deceiving bastard trying to lead the witness. Zimmerman is still the bigger person compared to present day Trayvon. He was still skinny.
Leading is okay on cross-exam. The prosecution cannot lead, but O'Mara is within the rules of evidence to do so.
Creepn
06-26-2013, 01:02 PM
Good final question by the prosecutor.
"The person who was on top of the other got up?"
"Yes"
boobie4three
06-26-2013, 01:06 PM
Good final question by the prosecutor.
I believe O'mara already convinced the jury that she's one mixed up mo fo, so I think they discounted that final answer from her.
boobie4three
06-26-2013, 01:41 PM
We need a translator for this witness. Creepy as Cracker? What's that Trill?
boobie4three
06-26-2013, 01:43 PM
Witness said Trayvon said: "Nigga still following me". WTF?
boobie4three
06-26-2013, 01:46 PM
Boy, she is a piece of work. Can't wait for the defense to get a hold of her. Gitcher popcorn ready.
Creepn
06-26-2013, 02:00 PM
Witness said Trayvon said: "Nigga still following me". WTF?
Shows how brutally honest her testimony is imho.
boobie4three
06-26-2013, 02:01 PM
Where are the Trayvon Martin fans here? Aren't they proud of their "star" witness?
clambake
06-26-2013, 02:01 PM
kid was stalked and killed for standing his ground........and people are cheering.
smh
boobie4three
06-26-2013, 02:07 PM
kid was stalked and killed for standing his ground........and people are cheering.
smh
No cheering here. Mostly cringing watching a person embarrass herself before the entire world.
clambake
06-26-2013, 02:13 PM
its florida. this jury simply will not understand that george first profiled him, stalked him down, and killed him.
george would never have left his daddys truck if not for skin color.
period.
boobie4three
06-26-2013, 02:17 PM
its florida. this jury simply will not understand that george first profiled him, stalked him down, and killed him.
george would never have left his daddys truck if not for skin color.
period.
So far we've determined that Trayvon Martin is the only racist in this case.
clambake
06-26-2013, 02:23 PM
So far we've determined that Trayvon Martin is the only racist in this case.
thats because you're naive.
clambake
06-26-2013, 02:23 PM
don't beat yourself up. you can't help it.
boobie4three
06-26-2013, 02:27 PM
thats because you're naive.
You don't by chance happened to be related to this brilliant witness who's on the stand right now, are you?
clambake
06-26-2013, 02:29 PM
You don't by chance happened to be related to this brilliant witness who's on the stand right now, are you?
highly unlikely.......but i haven't seen any of the trial.
Dirk Oneanddoneski
06-26-2013, 02:33 PM
Holy shit this n!gger sow is retarded :lmao
TeyshaBlue
06-26-2013, 02:35 PM
gfy
boobie4three
06-26-2013, 02:45 PM
Anybody who's watching this has to agree this is the stupidest person that ever wore human skin.
DUNCANownsKOBE
06-26-2013, 02:49 PM
Anybody who's watching this has to agree this is the stupidest person that ever wore human skin.
:lmao I agree on that. This girl is dumber than a bag of hair.
:lmao her just saying "I dont watch da news".....I would have never guessed that!
DUNCANownsKOBE
06-26-2013, 02:51 PM
I want her to say "ax" instead of "ask" at least a few more time.
BradLohaus
06-26-2013, 03:04 PM
Good Lord
BradLohaus
06-26-2013, 03:21 PM
This is painful to watch. You know, the defense can ask for charges to be dropped for lack of evidence after the state is done.
Creepn
06-26-2013, 03:29 PM
Katt Williams writing a skit bout this woman right now. He made fun of that woman in that Jackson trial too.
On the real, although she seems a little slow, she's the only one to withstand the defense as opposed to the other witnesses.
boobie4three
06-26-2013, 03:32 PM
She's making the Obamaphone woman looking like a genius.
elbamba
06-26-2013, 03:50 PM
Katt Williams writing a skit bout this woman right now. He made fun of that woman in that Jackson trial too.
On the real, although she seems a little slow, she's the only one to withstand the defense as opposed to the other witnesses.
To me she is acting annoyed rather than actually withstanding and my experience has been that this generally does not sit well with jurors. There was one point where she kept saying she did not understand the question when he was asking some pretty basic questions.
The real negative is that no one on this jury is going to be able to relate in any way, shape or form to this witness. That is what is going to hurt her testimony more than anything. Unlike the old lady who testified this morning, although I thought her testimony ultimately was weak, she was a sympathetic witness. I don't see that with this girl.
elbamba
06-26-2013, 03:51 PM
She's making the Obamaphone woman looking like a genius.
I hate to say this but someone at my office actually made the same comment.
Wild Cobra
06-26-2013, 03:53 PM
I hate to say this but someone at my office actually made the same comment.
Do you two work together?
boobie4three
06-26-2013, 03:54 PM
I hate to say this but someone at my office actually made the same comment.
That was ME! Cubicle 6, right?....j/k
CosmicCowboy
06-26-2013, 04:02 PM
4:59 p.m. ET: Defense attorney West has approached with Jeantel with a transcript of her deposition and has asked her to take as much time as she needs to read it.
:lmao
That mean defense attorney asking her to READ!
Creepn
06-26-2013, 04:08 PM
Good lord I can't watch anymore of this idiot on the witness stand.
*Closing!*
Wild Cobra
06-26-2013, 04:10 PM
:lmao
That mean defense attorney asking her to READ!
I guess they are afraid she will change her written testimony.
Not a good think for the jury to see in my opinion.
elbamba
06-26-2013, 04:17 PM
:lmao
That mean defense attorney asking her to READ!
Its probably not the best defense to say that when you gave a statement you didn't care enough about the statement to make sure that it was accurate. Essentially, she is asking the jury not to take into consideration the fact that she contradicts herself repeatidly because she only chose to tell the truth months after her statements to the Martin's attorney. Not very good for the prosecution.
At some point, I would have inadvertently found a way to get a plane ticket to her to go with her mom to Haiti or wherever the mom is from. This girl is killing the prosecution.
elbamba
06-26-2013, 04:19 PM
The bald attorney for the prosecution should just sit down and let Guy take charge of the rest of this case. He is so awful its pathetic. It is clear who the political prosecutor is and who did all the work. Guy gave a damn good opening statement and has been steller in his presentation. Baldy just looks like an old guy who asked for cliff notes to the trial on the drive over.
BradLohaus
06-26-2013, 04:21 PM
ROFL "you listening?" you couldn't make this girl up in a TV show. This is so bad.
CosmicCowboy
06-26-2013, 04:21 PM
5:10 p.m. ET: West tells Jeantel they can give her more time to go over the transcript and resume tomorrow. She says she's going to finish today. West asks her if she's refusing to testify. The judge tells West to keep the questions based on her testimony.
5:12 p.m. ET: West asks to recess until Thursday but the prosecutor wants to continue. The judge asks how much longer West will take and he says they should plan on a couple more hours to which Jeantel replies, "What?" The judge has recessed court until 9 a.m. ET Thursday.
:lmao
CosmicCowboy
06-26-2013, 04:25 PM
I'm gonna have to start DVRin this shit
DPG21920
06-26-2013, 04:26 PM
It's funny watching people in this thread get disappointed or happy to confirm what they want to believe. Instead of throwing out your own biases and hearing everything in real time, you are rooting for something to confirm your stance and then feel disappointed when it's not what you hoped.
CosmicCowboy
06-26-2013, 04:32 PM
It's funny watching people in this thread get disappointed or happy to confirm what they want to believe. Instead of throwing out your own biases and hearing everything in real time, you are rooting for something to confirm your stance and then feel disappointed when it's not what you hoped.
So Mr. Neutral...what was your oh so wise and neutral take of Ms. Rachel Jeantel.?
elbamba
06-26-2013, 04:35 PM
:lmao
I laughed when I heard her say that. In real time, it was funny as hell. You should have seen the look on her face.
elbamba
06-26-2013, 04:39 PM
It's funny watching people in this thread get disappointed or happy to confirm what they want to believe. Instead of throwing out your own biases and hearing everything in real time, you are rooting for something to confirm your stance and then feel disappointed when it's not what you hoped.
I don't feel like I am rooting for anyone. I have been listening to the testimony as much as I can and drawing my own conclusions, which I have been posting on here. Some people might be interested in my take because of my background, most probably don't care. Either way, I have not really had highs or lows with this case. I feel like justice will prevail with either outcome. If Zimmerman gets convicted, morality wins; however, if self-defense is found, I think the law wins.
BradLohaus
06-26-2013, 04:40 PM
Headline news: "she's authentic, a tough witness to pin down." This is surreal.
Creepn
06-26-2013, 06:58 PM
Headline news: "she's authentic, a tough witness to pin down." This is surreal.
Lol where you read that at? Kinda true though. The other witnesses allowed themselves to be led.
Wild Cobra
06-27-2013, 02:52 AM
ROFL "you listening?" you couldn't make this girl up in a TV show. This is so bad.
Truth is often stranger than fiction.
CosmicCowboy
06-27-2013, 07:49 AM
recap of day 3
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerman-trial-day-analysis-and-video-of-states-witnesses/
the last video of De-De is solid gold.
Wild Cobra
06-27-2013, 08:52 AM
Sorry CC, I couldn't get past the point where the lawyer had her read. She is pathetic.
Creepn
06-27-2013, 09:00 AM
From what I read, shes from Haiti and English is not her first language.
Fabbs
06-27-2013, 09:03 AM
FWIW (take with huge grain of salt), was channel surfing and Dr. Drew had a panel of himself, 5 other chicks and the defense atty guy.
Defense atty guy* said he sees for the 1st time how the defense was okay with a jury of all women. He said women will disect DeDes emotional state over and over (as chicks do).
However, all of the chicks on Dr. Drews panel were sympathetic to DeDe. Poor widdle 16 year old with big bad lawyer men. They also correctly noted that her not attending the funeral should not be a diss at all. She could well be expected to be too upset to see Travons mother, etc.
*One of the panel chicks was also defense atty but she is obviously racist.
So, will be interesting to see how Jury interpets DeDe.
lol she's not from Haiti, she's just retarded. Would a person of Haitian decent also not know what her age is?
Creepn
06-27-2013, 09:33 AM
lol she's not from Haiti, she's just retarded. Would a person of Haitian decent also not know what her age is?
She knew, she just lied to them about her age to avoid exposure.
The defense is making her brutally honest to try to catch her in a lie but she confesses everything. It's not good when she says damning stuff about Zimmerman if she's honest about everything else right?
boobie4three
06-27-2013, 09:57 AM
The main thing West is trying to show is that this witness is lying when she says she heard TM say: "Get off, get off" before the line went dead
Fabbs
06-27-2013, 09:58 AM
The defense is making her brutally honest to try to catch her in a lie but she confesses everything. It's not good when she says damning stuff about Zimmerman if she's honest about everything else right?
That is a point the twunt panel on Doktor Drew made.
We'll see if the jury is emo easily swayed chicks or not.
Creepn
06-27-2013, 10:02 AM
The main thing West is trying to show is that this witness is lying when she says she heard TM say: "Get off, get off" before the line went dead
And he failed.
boobie4three
06-27-2013, 10:02 AM
And he failed.
He's not done.
boobie4three
06-27-2013, 10:06 AM
I also believe he's going try using phone call duration to show TM dawdled instead of going straight home in order to initiate a confrontation with GZ.
boutons_deux
06-27-2013, 10:12 AM
Zimmerman lawyer says ‘creepy a** cracker’ 7 times to claim Trayvon ‘put race in this’http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/27/zimmerman-lawyer-says-creepy-a-cracker-7-times-to-claim-trayvon-put-race-in-this/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29
What? Z stalked M because, profiling racially, M was a young black in a hoodie. This asshole lawyer is trying to say M made it a racial indicident? :lol
boobie4three
06-27-2013, 10:17 AM
On top of being an idiot, she sure is a disrespectful bitch.
boobie4three
06-27-2013, 10:30 AM
Phone call timeline for GZ and TM.
http://gzdocs.com/documents/opening_graphics/timeline.jpg
CosmicCowboy
06-27-2013, 11:18 AM
Wow. Defense is just destroying her.
Creepn
06-27-2013, 11:22 AM
Wow. Defense is just destroying her.
Huh? Are you watching the same trial? She's holding her ground pretty well and catches him trying to twist her words buy sticking with her testimony.
Props to the girl.
boobie4three
06-27-2013, 11:24 AM
Anyone else think this judge is biased toward the state?
Creepn
06-27-2013, 11:27 AM
What the fuck is Zimmerman writing anyway that fat coward punk.
boobie4three
06-27-2013, 11:28 AM
What a waste of oxygen.
Fabbs
06-27-2013, 11:28 AM
Anyone else think this judge is biased toward the state?
I haven't been able to watch today.
But judge letting Trayvons parents grandstand in and out of the courtroom while Zimms parents are banned is total bias.
tlongII
06-27-2013, 11:30 AM
I haven't been able to watch today.
But judge letting Trayvons parents grandstand in and out of the courtroom while Zimms parents are banned is total bias.
That's because Zimms folks will be called to testify and Trayvon's will not. SOP.
Fabbs
06-27-2013, 11:49 AM
That's because Zimms folks will be called to testify and Trayvon's will not. SOP.
Negative.
Traybons parents will be called. At least one of them.
Right board?
boobie4three
06-27-2013, 11:59 AM
TM's mother should be called in order to explore the pre-trial shenanigans that were going on under the direction of their lawyer Crump.
It's comical to see this dumb bald head grow frustrated as they keep objecting to his shit and pushing it right back up his ass time after time. You can almost see the gears slowly grinding inside the piglets' head after each objection. Dumb, crazy little bald head....
CosmicCowboy
06-27-2013, 12:49 PM
I wonder how she is going to explain talking to Martin and then hearing the fight start when Martins phone and earbuds were in his pocket.
FuzzyLumpkins
06-27-2013, 03:28 PM
He's not done.
So what color do you want your t-shirt in? And we still don't know if you want arrest or trial Zimm on the front. Wait! We can do both, have arrest on front and trial on the back.
Hurry up though. Supplies are limited.
boobie4three
06-27-2013, 03:36 PM
So what color do you want your t-shirt in? And we still don't know if you want arrest or trial Zimm on the front. Wait! We can do both, have arrest on front and trial on the back.
Hurry up though. Supplies are limited.
Drop the crack pipe and slowly step away from the keyboard.
FuzzyLumpkins
06-27-2013, 03:40 PM
Drop the crack pipe and slowly step away from the keyboard.
You just remind me of when I watch a Spurs game. Always thinking Pop will call up some play to win the day. That is what fans do.
You are a George Zimmerman fan. It's plain to see. No need to be coy.
boobie4three
06-27-2013, 03:51 PM
You just remind me of when I watch a Spurs game. Always thinking Pop will call up some play to win the day. That is what fans do.
You are a George Zimmerman fan. It's plain to see. No need to be coy.
I just don't want to see a man who I believe is not guilty of second degree murder railroaded by the state for the sole purpose of satisfying the bloodthirst of the black community.
Creepn
06-27-2013, 03:59 PM
What is that? The 3rd witness that says Zimmerman was on top? Then the black girl to say that she heard "get off get off" over the phone to tie it all in.
Creepn
06-27-2013, 04:00 PM
Some figeting emotion from Zimmerman. Looking nervous now that fat fucking asshole.
boobie4three
06-27-2013, 04:04 PM
What is that? The 3rd witness that says Zimmerman was on top? Then the black girl to say that she heard "get off get off" over the phone to tie it all in.
The defense exposed this morning's witness as unreliable and the jury will discount her testimony imho. This current witness DID just say she thought the man on top wore a combination of black and orange which could be problematic for the defense.
FuzzyLumpkins
06-27-2013, 04:11 PM
What do corroborate mean?
CosmicCowboy
06-27-2013, 04:12 PM
Dang, that Colombian is a MILF.
boobie4three
06-27-2013, 04:30 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/q9y8OA9_zps070308e0.jpg
Dang, that Colombian is a MILF.
FuzzyLumpkins
06-27-2013, 04:32 PM
The real question: real or fake?
boobie4three
06-27-2013, 04:33 PM
The real question: real or fake?
Needs further examination.
CosmicCowboy
06-27-2013, 04:53 PM
motorboat
boobie4three
06-27-2013, 05:18 PM
I need to change my name to boobie4me
Fabbs
06-27-2013, 06:25 PM
no racist, no making fun.
She just really reminds me of times I've seen him on the show.
Does Rachel Jeantel remind anyone else that she is like the sister of Beetlejuice on Howard Stern?
http://www.sternrate.com/files/pictures/bababacktalk/beetle.gifhttp://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/jeantel.jpg
boobie4three
06-27-2013, 07:28 PM
"IF ZIMMERMAN GET OFF, IMA GO KILL A WHITE BOY’: TRAYVON MARTIN SUPPORTERS MAKE SHOCKING THREATS AHEAD OF VERDICT"
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/27/if-zimmerman-get-off-ima-go-kill-a-white-boy-trayvon-martin-supporters-make-shocking-threats-ahead-of-verdict/
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/Screen-Shot-2013-06-27-at-42632-PM-e1372366827420_zps8af9c192.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/Screen-Shot-2013-06-27-at-42349-PM-e13723662224131_zpsa1af322d.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/Screen-Shot-2013-06-27-at-42434-PM-e1372366512891_zps002de937.png
BradLohaus
06-27-2013, 09:09 PM
I didn't get to watch today. Couple of things I've caught on highlights though:
1.) Jeantel denied that cracker was a racial term. What!?
2.) They handed her a letter that she was supposed to have written to T's mother about what happened and she couldn't read it because it was in cursive. Who wrote it? By the way, I have two friends who have 11 or 12 year old kids, and they told me recently that they don't teach cursive in school anymore; she may not have ever seen it. Still, who wrote the letter?
I guess I'm going to have to go back and watch some of this over the next few days.
BradLohaus
06-27-2013, 09:12 PM
The twitter/FB threats were going on last year as well. When will people learn; NEVER type anything like that on the internet, folks. Especially twitter/FB. Although I doubt the DOJ will be getting on this.
CosmicCowboy
06-28-2013, 06:18 AM
*slapping forehead*
It's Stifler's mom!
CosmicCowboy
06-28-2013, 06:49 AM
Seriously, though...it's like the Prosecutions witnesses are all testifying for the defense. Well...except for Dee-Dee but she was clearly a liar and a bad one at that.
boobie4three
06-28-2013, 07:20 AM
The Rack, I mean the Colombian woman, did say she saw the guy on top might have had some orange and black clothing, but it was dark and she might have been mistaken. I'll say this right now, I think GZ ought to take the stand and just tell what happened. I know the prosecution will try and tear him apart, but if the truth is what I think it is, the jury will believe it. Other wise the jury will think he's trying to hide something.
CosmicCowboy
06-28-2013, 07:57 AM
The Rack, I mean the Colombian woman, did say she saw the guy on top might have had some orange and black clothing, but it was dark and she might have been mistaken. I'll say this right now, I think GZ ought to take the stand and just tell what happened. I know the prosecution will try and tear him apart, but if the truth is what I think it is, the jury will believe it. Other wise the jury will think he's trying to hide something.
That is entirely consistent with Zimmerman's original deposition. She didn't look until some time had passed after the shot.
As I headed back to my vehicle the suspect said “You got a problem,” I said “No.” The suspect said, “you do now.” As I looked and tried to find my phone to dial 911 the suspect punched me in the face. I fell backwards onto my back. The suspect got on top of me. I yelled “help!” several times. The suspect told me “Shut the fuck up” as I tried to sit upright, the suspect grabbed my head and slammed it into the concrete sidewalk several times. I continued to yell “Help” each time I attempted to sit up, the suspect slammed my head into the sidewalk. My head felt like it was going to explode. I tried to slide out from under the suspect and continued to yell “Help!” As I slid the suspect covered my mouth and nose and stopped my breathing. At this point I felt the suspect reach for my now exposed firearm and say, “Your gonna die tonight Mother Fucker!” I unholstered my firearm in fear for my life as he had assured he was going to kill me and fired one shot into his torso. The suspect sat back allowing me to sit up and said, “You got me!” At this point I slid out from underneath him and got on top of the suspect holding his hands away from his body. An onlooker appeared and asked me if I was ok. I said “no.” He said “I am calling 911.” I said “I don’t need you to call 911, I already called them, I need you to help me restrain this guy.” At this point a SPD officer arrived and asked “Who shot him.” I said “I did” and I laced my hands on top of my head and told the officer where on my person my firearm was holstered. The officer handcuffed me and disarmed me. The officer then placed me in the back of his vehicle.
CosmicCowboy
06-28-2013, 08:12 AM
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerman-trial-day-end-of-day-analysis-video-of-states-witnesses/#more-56863
boobie4three
06-28-2013, 08:19 AM
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerman-trial-day-end-of-day-analysis-video-of-states-witnesses/#more-56863
Thanks, but I'll pass. If I NEVER have to listen to that fat idiot again it'll be too soon. My IQ dropped 30 points over the last couple of days.
Creepn
06-28-2013, 08:55 AM
John Good, who saw the fight, did not see any head slamming on the concrete at any time.
No surprise since Zimmerman is a known fat liar.
boobie4three
06-28-2013, 08:58 AM
John Good, who saw the fight, did not see any head slamming on the concrete at any time.
No surprise since Zimmerman is a known fat liar.
Jon went inside to call 911. He just missed that part. Nice try.
boutons_deux
06-28-2013, 09:03 AM
slamming the head of your creepy ass cracka stalker against concrete is an excellent Stand Your Ground self-defense tactic.
boobie4three
06-28-2013, 09:11 AM
slamming the head of your creepy ass cracka stalker against concrete is an excellent Stand Your Ground self-defense tactic.
You forgot the part where TM first smashed GZ in the face without being provoked by GZ and THEN proceeded to slam GZ's head into the concrete in an attempt to kill him. GZ then had every right to shoot the perpetrator.
boutons_deux
06-28-2013, 09:13 AM
You forgot the part where TM first smashed GZ in the face without being provoked by GZ and THEN proceeded to slam GZ's head into the concrete in an attempt to kill him. GZ then had every right to shoot the perpetrator.
boobie's got boobies where her brains should be
boobie4three
06-28-2013, 09:15 AM
boobie's got boobies where her brains should be
You're living in fantasyland dude.
boobie4three
06-28-2013, 09:24 AM
This witness pretty much settled the issue.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/SJZorxA_zpsa52ce57f.jpg
Trill Clinton
06-28-2013, 09:41 AM
i can't get too emotionally invested in this case anymore. i hope minorites across the country are paying attention to what's going on, though. whether zimmercoward got his ass beat or not, people are disregarding that he had no business approaching or harassing tray. he got his ass beat in the process and like a coward whipped out a gun. i guess this will be a win for all cowards across the country.
boobie4three
06-28-2013, 09:47 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/FmGxkoM_zps101ab682.jpg
boutons_deux
06-28-2013, 10:09 AM
i can't get too emotionally invested in this case anymore. i hope minorites across the country are paying attention to what's going on, though. whether zimmercoward got his ass beat or not, people are disregarding that he had no business approaching or harassing tray. he got his ass beat in the process and like a coward whipped out a gun. i guess this will be a win for all cowards across the country.
obvious that the gun fellators here are rooting for the creepy ass dickless gun fellator. birds of a feather... "he packs heat, he kills n!gg@s, he's one of us"
clambake
06-28-2013, 10:10 AM
tiny scratches lol.
Ignignokt
06-28-2013, 10:17 AM
i can't get too emotionally invested in this case anymore. i hope minorites across the country are paying attention to what's going on, though. whether zimmercoward got his ass beat or not, people are disregarding that he had no business approaching or harassing tray. he got his ass beat in the process and like a coward whipped out a gun. i guess this will be a win for all cowards across the country.
So, you're saying that it was GZ who approached TM first? How do you know this?
Ignignokt
06-28-2013, 10:21 AM
John Good, who saw the fight, did not see any head slamming on the concrete at any time.
No surprise since Zimmerman is a known fat liar.
He was only able to see arm motion, and colors of the vestiges. Seems, like you're not watching the actual trial and instead relying on twitter feed taken out of context. But ofcourse you're not interested in real justice, but social justice. GZ must be lynched because of your huge chip on your shoulder.
Trill Clinton
06-28-2013, 10:49 AM
obvious that the gun fellators here are rooting for the creepy ass dickless gun fellator. birds of a feather... "he packs heat, he kills n!gg@s, he's one of us"
yup. trayvon's image strikes fear for some reason to zimmercoward's supporters. amerikkka is afraid of young black men...just look at who plays the bad guy in all these tv shows. most cowards are predisposed to be fearful of young black men due to stereotypes and have no problem with pulling out a gun when face to face with a young black male, typical coward move.
for instance, the case of the coward who killed a teen for playing his music too loud. oh, this coward is claiming self defense too: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-shoots-teen-loud-music-article-1.1209345
Ignignokt
06-28-2013, 10:57 AM
yup. trayvon's image strikes fear for some reason to zimmercoward's supporters. amerikkka is afraid of young black men...just look at who plays the bad guy in all these tv shows. most cowards are predisposed to be fearful of young black men due to stereotypes and have no problem with pulling out a gun when face to face with a young black male, typical coward move.
for instance, the case of the coward who killed a teen for playing his music too loud. oh, this coward is claiming self defense too: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-shoots-teen-loud-music-article-1.1209345
black men are afraid of black men.
boobie4three
06-28-2013, 10:59 AM
You want to see a REAL coward? How about this piece of shit who breaks into this young mother's home and proceeds to beat the hell out of her in front of her 3 year old daughter, all caught on video. I wish she had been armed so she could have blown this mother fucking piece of shit to HELL!
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/beating-caught-homeowner-nanny-cam-article-1.1381703#ixzz2XFPRDD29
CosmicCowboy
06-28-2013, 11:03 AM
:lmao
Trill is losing it.
This is too fucking funny...
Trill Clinton
06-28-2013, 11:06 AM
You want to see a REAL coward? How about this piece of shit who breaks into this young mother's home and proceeds to beat the hell out of her in front of her 3 year old daughter, all caught on video. I wish she had been armed so she could have blown this mother fucking piece of shit to HELL!
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/beating-caught-homeowner-nanny-cam-article-1.1381703#ixzz2XFPRDD29
i agree. he's a coward and doesn't deserve to live. next.
Trill Clinton
06-28-2013, 11:08 AM
:lmao
Trill is losing it.
This is too fucking funny...
i'm fucking pissed off!!!!! grrr!!!!
CosmicCowboy
06-28-2013, 11:13 AM
Sounds like John Good just destroyed the states case.
boobie4three
06-28-2013, 11:16 AM
i agree. he's a coward and doesn't deserve to live. next.
The story you linked to looks like a case murder. Hopefully the truth will come out in the trial.
DeadlyDynasty
06-28-2013, 11:20 AM
Sounds like John Good just destroyed the states case.
yup
CosmicCowboy
06-28-2013, 11:41 AM
John Good was a PROSECUTION witness :lmao
O’Mara: Just to clarify what was actually talked about with Chris Serino, Investigator Serino, during this, we’re going to call it for the moment the Ground-and-Pound conversation. We have a rule called completeness, so what I want to do is put it in context for you, ask you if this is what you said to Chris Serino. OK?
“Yeah I pretty much heard somebody yelling outside. I wasn’t sure if it was, you know, a fight or something going wrong. So I opened my blinds and I see kind of like a person out there. I didn’t know if it was a dog attack or something. So I open my door. It was a black man with a black hoodie on top of the other, either a white guy or now I found out I think it was a Hispanic guy with a red sweatshirt on the ground yelling out help! And I tried to tell them, get out of here, you know, stop or whatever, and then one guy on top in the black hoodie was pretty much just throwing down blows on the guy kind of MMA-style.”
Is that the context in which that happened?
Good: Yes.
O’Mara: And then Investigator Serino said, a word that I have, and the transcripts may differ, ground, couldn’t figure it, maybe he said Ground-and-Pound, and then you said:
“Yeah, like a Ground-and-Pound on the concrete at this point, so at this point I told him I’m calling 911.”
BDLR: Objection. Improper bolstering.
O’Mara: I’m at the end of it. Is that–
Judge: There’s an objection and the objection is . . .
BDLR: Hearsay and improper bolstering
O’Mara: I would suggest that rule 108, which is the rule of completeness, suggests that because they brought in part of it . . . and iI’m speaking, I apologize.
Judge: The objection as to hearsay is overruled. Bolstering is not the right objection either, so that’s OK.
BDLR: Beyond the scope of cross-examination to that point
Judge: I overrule on that objection, also, so go ahead.
O’Mara: That’s what you said.
Good: The whole thing, yes
O’Mara: And that was the context in which the words Ground-and-Pound came out.
Good: Yes, for more clarification.
O’Mara: OK. And do you stand by that today, that what you saw is was a Ground-and-Pound event?
Good: It looked like that position was a Ground-and-Pound type of position, but I couldn’t tell 100% that there were actually fists hitting faces.
O’Mara: But you did see [reading] “the guy in the top in the black hoodie pretty much just throwing down blows on the guy kind of MMA-style.”
Good: Meaning arm motions going down on the person on the bottom. Correct.
O’Mara: You’re’ not going to tell the jury here today that you saw fists hit flesh or face if you didn’t actually see it, right?
Good: I wouldn’t tell them that anyway, because i didn’t actually see it.
O’Mara: Great, thanks very much , no further questions.
BDLR: Not to elaborate but the thing that Mr. O’Mara said from the transcript, the bottom line, you needed to clarify after that to make sure that everybody understood that you did not hear or see fists the guy on the top hitting the guy on the bottom.
Good: Both sides made me clarify.
BDLR: Is that correct?
Good: That’s correct.
BDLR: You did not see blows on the guy on the bottom, correct?
Good: Correct
BDLR: Thank you, no further questions.
http://www.globalcalendar.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Nuclear-bomb-explosion.jpg
CosmicCowboy
06-28-2013, 11:49 AM
Hey Trill....you been on Twitter again?
http://twitchy.com/2013/06/27/ima-kill-me-a-cracka-death-threats-against-george-zimmerman-random-white-people-explode-during-trial/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter
CosmicCowboy
06-28-2013, 12:12 PM
Lmao. If this was softball they would call the 10 run rule in the first inning before the defense even gets up to bat.
boobie4three
06-28-2013, 01:45 PM
America Will See Its Worst Race Riot Yet This Summer
Sanford, FL—Yes, the George Zimmerman trial here has thousands of African-Americans getting ready for some serious bloodletting.
I don’t want to make idle and dire predictions but this nation has never been so divided and racially sensitive. Our African-American President took sides on this case at the very beginning. That ratified a George Zimmerman guilty verdict in the minds of millions.
There’s just one little problem, and that is the murder case should have never been filed. It was filed purely for political reasons despite the fact that it was a simple justifiable homicide...........
http://www.crimefilenews.com/2013/06/america-will-see-its-worst-race-riot.html
boutons_deux
06-28-2013, 01:57 PM
"the fact that it was a simple justifiable homicide"
You Lie
boobie4three
06-28-2013, 02:00 PM
"the fact that it was a simple justifiable homicide"
You Lie
We'll let the jury decide Joe Wilson
Creepn
06-28-2013, 02:05 PM
So far, Trayvon was the only one with life threatening injuries. Police, medical, none could flat out say that Zimmerman had life threatening injuries. Zimmerman himself didn't believe he had life threatening injuries.
Zimmerman lie #100,403 shot down.
Another Zimmerman lie: "He said, "' You got me'" (after Trayvon got shot)
Trayvon died instantly.
AntiChrist
06-28-2013, 02:16 PM
This trial is a train wreck for the prosecution, so far.
CosmicCowboy
06-28-2013, 02:22 PM
So far, Trayvon was the only one with life threatening injuries. Police, medical, none could flat out say that Zimmerman had life threatening injuries. Zimmerman himself didn't believe he had life threatening injuries.
Zimmerman lie #100,403 shot down.
Another Zimmerman lie: "He said, "' You got me'" (after Trayvon got shot)
Trayvon died instantly.
You win
Dumb post of the day
Big Empty
06-28-2013, 03:03 PM
OJ, got off, the chick that killed her daughter got off, and now this guy will be found not guilty. i certainly hope no one innocent is killed in retaliation.
boobie4three
06-28-2013, 03:09 PM
OJ, got off, the chick that killed her daughter got off, and now this guy will be found not guilty. i certainly hope no one innocent is killed in retaliation.
Let's just hope that innocent person that might be killed is armed.
Sportcamper
06-28-2013, 03:12 PM
http://www.yardbarker.com/media/4/b/4b48250487358fd2fa2ba8e760187bc776b37e7f/xl/lolo-jones-tweet-1.png
OUCH!
Wild Cobra
06-28-2013, 03:59 PM
The state never had a valid case. What was there to destroy?
clambake
06-28-2013, 04:08 PM
he profiled the kid.
CosmicCowboy
06-28-2013, 04:09 PM
he profiled the kid.
Even if he did, there is nothing illegal about that.
clambake
06-28-2013, 04:12 PM
so what
resistanze
06-28-2013, 04:15 PM
Let's just hope that innocent person that might be killed is armed.
Yup, that's the mistake Trayvon made. If he was armed and shot the armed man following him home at night, he'd be alive and free.
CosmicCowboy
06-28-2013, 04:15 PM
He probably took a shit that morning
CosmicCowboy
06-28-2013, 04:16 PM
Yup, that's the mistake Trayvon made. If he was armed and shot the armed man following him home at night, he'd be alive and free.
no he wouldn't if all he was doing was following.
sure are a lot of stupid motherfuckers in here.
DPG21920
06-28-2013, 04:17 PM
From what I read, shes from Haiti and English is not her first language.
:lol I've heard plenty of talk like that and it's not because they weren't born here.
clambake
06-28-2013, 04:18 PM
following lol. he stalked him down.
clambake
06-28-2013, 04:20 PM
the people that give him money know that george profiled, stalked him down and killed him.
the people that give him money are glad he killed him.
DPG21920
06-28-2013, 04:20 PM
What the fuck is Zimmerman writing anyway that fat coward punk.
Why do you hate this man and have your mind made up? Why not watch the trial and see what happens and what the truth is. You only seem to be getting so angry because you want him to burn because of his race and not because of the truth. It's really odd and to me it's terrifying to see someone be so racist they get angry when their racial views arent supported by facts.
resistanze
06-28-2013, 04:23 PM
no he wouldn't if all he was doing was following.
sure are a lot of stupid motherfuckers in here.
Well, obviously what's being disputed was not only the following part, but the actual confrontation that took place as a result of the following - I think even a fucking retard can infer this. If the exact same scenario had carried out and Trayvon had shot and kill GZ, I don't doubt that the defense would simply that he was being followed home by a man (who was armed) and got into a confrontation and shot him in defense.
DPG21920
06-28-2013, 04:25 PM
yup. trayvon's image strikes fear for some reason to zimmercoward's supporters. amerikkka is afraid of young black men...just look at who plays the bad guy in all these tv shows. most cowards are predisposed to be fearful of young black men due to stereotypes and have no problem with pulling out a gun when face to face with a young black male, typical coward move.
for instance, the case of the coward who killed a teen for playing his music too loud. oh, this coward is claiming self defense too: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-shoots-teen-loud-music-article-1.1209345
Amerikkka voted for a Black President. Twice.
DPG21920
06-28-2013, 04:30 PM
OJ, got off, the chick that killed her daughter got off, and now this guy will be found not guilty. i certainly hope no one innocent is killed in retaliation.
Huh? White people rioted when OJ got off killing all kinds of minorities for revenge.
Jacob1983
06-28-2013, 04:45 PM
Why didn't this dumbass just take a plea deal? He could have taken a deal for like manslaughter and probably only had to serve 3 to 5 years in prison. Stupid but oh well. Anyways, this dumbass and piece of shit should at least be convicted of manslaughter. Not sure if he intended to kill the young fellow or if it was an accident or if Zimmerman went bat shit crazy when he was fighting the kid.
CosmicCowboy
06-28-2013, 04:50 PM
Why didn't this dumbass just take a plea deal? He could have taken a deal for like manslaughter and probably only had to serve 3 to 5 years in prison. Stupid but oh well. Anyways, this dumbass and piece of shit should at least be convicted of manslaughter. Not sure if he intended to kill the young fellow or if it was an accident or if Zimmerman went bat shit crazy when he was fighting the kid.
So far the evidence overwhelmingly shows he in innocent of all charges in a clean self defense shoot.
Big Empty
06-28-2013, 04:58 PM
So far the evidence overwhelmingly shows he in innocent of all charges in a clean self defense shoot.
i agree...but in the court of common sense hes guilty
DPG21920
06-28-2013, 05:05 PM
i agree...but in the court of common sense hes guilty
Sure, that's what happens when people have their own biases they want to confirm and before knowing the facts, do things like come out publicly wearing hoodies in show of support and when an African American president takes it upon himself to vouch for something he knows very little about.
There are literally thousands of these things going on, why speak out on this one before knowing any details?
Big Empty
06-28-2013, 05:09 PM
Sure, that's what happens when people have their own biases they want to confirm and before knowing the facts, do things like come out publicly wearing hoodies in show of support and when an African American president takes it upon himself to vouch for something he knows very little about.
There are literally thousands of these things going on, why speak out on this one before knowing any details?
noone really knows what happened but them two. but a kid walking through a neighborhood back from the store ends up dead. no intentions of breaking into anyones house or property, or to cause trouble. I think Zimmerman did act in self defense. But I think Martin acted in self defense first. case closed
Homeland Security
06-28-2013, 05:10 PM
From what I read, shes from Haiti and English is not her first language.
:lol Haiti
more like she can't talk because she's a typical n!gra with a 65 IQ
AntiChrist
06-28-2013, 05:11 PM
noone really knows what happened but them two. but a kid walking through a neighborhood back from the store ends up dead. no intentions of breaking into anyones house or property, or to cause trouble. I think Zimmerman did act in self defense. But I think Martin acted in self defense first. case closed
I agree -- there's no need for this trial
DPG21920
06-28-2013, 05:12 PM
noone really knows what happened but them two. but a kid walking through a neighborhood back from the store ends up dead. no intentions of breaking into anyones house or property, or to cause trouble. I think Zimmerman did act in self defense. But I think Martin acted in self defense first. case closed
Ok, that seems perfectly reasonable. But we dont know. My point was, people are trying to confirm what they believe on both sides and it's scary. Lot's of racists in this world on both ends (look at random people publicly declaring they want to kill white people).
Homeland Security
06-28-2013, 05:12 PM
noone really knows what happened but them two. but a kid walking through a neighborhood back from the store ends up dead. no intentions of breaking into anyones house or property, or to cause trouble. I think Zimmerman did act in self defense. But I think Martin acted in self defense first. case closed
Key lesson... think twice before you decide to kick somebody's ass because you think they need to learn a lesson.
Homeland Security
06-28-2013, 05:19 PM
Ok, that seems perfectly reasonable. But we dont know. My point was, people are trying to confirm what they believe on both sides and it's scary. Lot's of racists in this world on both ends (look at random people publicly declaring they want to kill white people).
:rolleyes Welcome to the entirety of human history. Stop being so fucking naive.
When one of "Them" kills one of "Us," "We" aren't going to give a shit about the fine points of the law. "We're" going to take vengeance.
When one of Us kills one of Them, They had it coming.
Feel free to give yourself the vapors and mutter something about how "we're all Americans." :lmao The fuck we are.
CosmicCowboy
06-28-2013, 05:19 PM
Yep. Guarantee I'll be locked and loaded when this verdict goes down just in case. I got too much shit going down to be the random white guy that gets whacked because some ignorant asshole wanted to get even with a white guy.
Homeland Security
06-28-2013, 05:24 PM
Yep. Guarantee I'll be locked and loaded when this verdict goes down just in case. I got too much shit going down to be the random white guy that gets whacked because some ignorant asshole wanted to get even with a white guy.
Dear black "people,"
It's not a good idea to carry out revenge riots against white people after something like a jury verdict that appears on the calendar. When white people know when something is going to occur, they engage in a behavior called "planning." Planning is where you know something is going to happen, so you do things to get ready for it...
Never mind, I won't even bother, it will be over their heads. If they could understand planning, they wouldn't be black people anymore.
Ignignokt
06-28-2013, 05:28 PM
Dear black "people,"
It's not a good idea to carry out revenge riots against white people after something like a jury verdict that appears on the calendar. When white people know when something is going to occur, they engage in a behavior called "planning." Planning is where you know something is going to happen, so you do things to get ready for it...
Never mind, I won't even bother, it will be over their heads. If they could understand planning, they wouldn't be black people anymore.
Sounds like you're a might is right, White nationalist, free markets so long as they're restricted in favor of national commerce. So no immigration whatsoever and a strong labor movement.
amirite?
Homeland Security
06-28-2013, 05:29 PM
I think the most entertaining thing about this case, besides the fat wanna-be mall cop carrying out pre-emptive crime reduction, is the farce of white liberals pretending not to be mortified by the blunt reminder of what blacks are really like up close.
Homeland Security
06-28-2013, 05:32 PM
Sounds like you're a might is right, White nationalist, free markets so long as they're restricted in favor of national commerce. So no immigration whatsoever and a strong labor movement.
amirite?
Fascism is so 20th century. 21st century is all about relishing the schadenfreude.
CosmicCowboy
06-28-2013, 05:35 PM
I think the most entertaining thing about this case, besides the fat wanna-be mall cop carrying out pre-emptive crime reduction, is the farce of white liberals pretending not to be mortified by the blunt reminder of what blacks are really like up close.
LOL did you see all the articles about why whites just didn't understand DeeDee?
Sadly, I did understand DeeDee.
Homeland Security
06-28-2013, 05:43 PM
Think about the cognitive dissonance, frustration, rage, and shame that relatively intelligent black people must feel, observing what the rest of their race is like, and contrasting them with other races.
You start to understand -- not excuse, but understand -- why that chimpanzee chewed that white lady's face off.
FuzzyLumpkins
06-28-2013, 06:28 PM
I think the most entertaining thing about this case, besides the fat wanna-be mall cop carrying out pre-emptive crime reduction, is the farce of white liberals pretending not to be mortified by the blunt reminder of what blacks are really like up close.
Not this shit again.... You going to spout about haplogroups and ignore a refutation again?
Homeland Security
06-28-2013, 06:41 PM
Not this shit again.... You going to spout about haplogroups and ignore a refutation again?
:lmao Fuzzy thinking he can take me on. Go on, brave white knight, burnish your Not Racist medal.
Homeland Security
06-28-2013, 06:42 PM
I'm not ashamed to admit I'm glad Trayvon Martin is dead. About 30-40% of young black males need to be killed off.
DPG21920
06-28-2013, 06:57 PM
You're an idiot.
FuzzyLumpkins
06-28-2013, 07:07 PM
:lmao Fuzzy thinking he can take me on. Go on, brave white knight, burnish your Not Racist medal.
Who said I was white?
I did take you on regarding your remark about haplogroups which you quickly ignored. I get that you are proud of your white line breeding.
FuzzyLumpkins
06-28-2013, 08:32 PM
Well seems HS is going the coward route again.
65% shot he gets off the hook.
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