Official Trade/Signing Ideas Thread

[Bruno]

Kaman for De Colo and Baynes works for me...

[ElNono]

Rather keep Baynes than have Kaman, tbh

[dallasmaverickslose]

Kaman for De Colo and Baynes works for me...

this has got to be a joke

[look_at_g_shred]

Rather keep Baynes than have Kaman, tbh
+1

[look_at_g_shred]

Kaman for De Colo and Ayres works for me...
Fixed. Thanks.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Fixed. Thanks.

PlayNando won't like this tbh

[turkish spurs fan]

danny green-dion waiters trade?

[Bruno]

Alexis Ajinça is signing with the Pelicans.

[jeebus]

Rather keep Baynes than have Kaman, tbh

Kaman is like Bane without the interior defense and in super slow motion.

[DPG21920]

Woj is being very mysterious with his Asik reporting. He is very publicly citing 4 teams (ATL, BOS, PHI & CLE), but also saying there is a "mystery team that is a contender as well". Could it be the Spurs getting in on the action and Woj protecting them?

[playbonner15]

Woj is being very mysterious with his Asik reporting. He is very publicly citing 4 teams (ATL, BOS, PHI & CLE), but also saying there is a "mystery team that is a contender as well". Could it be the Spurs getting in on the action and Woj protecting them?

Could be.. Or could be the Lakers.. But who will the Spurs package in that trade?

[Robz4000]

:lol if that team turns out to be Miami and they get him for scraps

[Bruno]

Asik really seems like a bad fit on and off the court for Spurs.

[mute]

Asik really seems like a bad fit on and off the court for Spurs.

we already have splitter too, and as much as we like to call him soft, he's one of the best finishers are the rim and has defensive has improved greatly. can asik even run the floor to see any time against the likes of okc, ind, and miami?

[bluebellmaniac]

Woj is being very mysterious with his Asik reporting. He is very publicly citing 4 teams (ATL, BOS, PHI & CLE), but also saying there is a "mystery team that is a contender as well". Could it be the Spurs getting in on the action and Woj protecting them?

Asik has been quite vocal and public about not liking his role and the limited playing time he is getting. He is letting everyone know he wants to start. That doesn't sound like someone Pop or Buford would be pursuing.

[look_at_g_shred]

Asik has been quite vocal and public about not liking his role and the limited playing time he is getting. He is letting everyone know he wants to start. That doesn't sound like someone Pop or Buford would be pursuing.
Good point. Although i know the spurs aren't involved, if you have a chance at getting a player like Asik, you do it! I mean the Spurs knew the reputation Jack had when they traded for him.

[DesignatedT]

You know how those foreigners are when it comes to the Spurs though. He might be willing to take a lesser role to play here with all his buddies from overseas. Him inserted into the second unit next to Patty- Manu - Marco - Diaw would give us the proper size and rim protector to make that unit whole.


Highly doubtful scenario though and not sure the Rockets would want to give a western conference contender another person to guard Howard.

[DPG21920]

All good points and I was just purely speculating. But you could imagine a scenario possibly where the Spurs love Tiago on the bench with Gino/Boris and envision Asik starting. That gives Asik his starting role on a championship contender and helps the Spurs (especially if it's just expiring contracts and a late first rounder). If the Spurs believe Asik is that impactful on defense, perhaps they are willing to do it?

Highly, highly unlikely, but it's odd that Woj would report on 4 teams very publicly and hide one team. There are only a few teams that I can see him doing that for.

[look_at_g_shred]

All good points and I was just purely speculating. But you could imagine a scenario possibly where the Spurs love Tiago on the bench with Gino/Boris and envision Asik starting. That gives Asik his starting role on a championship contender and helps the Spurs (especially if it's just expiring contracts and a late first rounder). If the Spurs believe Asik is that impactful on defense, perhaps they are willing to do it?

Highly, highly unlikely, but it's odd that Woj would report on 4 teams very publicly and hide one team. There are only a few teams that I can see him doing that for.
I'm sure its the Lakers he's hiding.

[venitian navigator]

I'm scared that the team hiding is Miami.
Thay have the players...
An offer like Haslem + Cole + Andersen + a first draft choice works (on nba trade machine) and could be enough to convince the Rockets...

[RD2191]

Bet its Miami

[RD2191]

3 peat in the Heat land Asik

[I. Hustle]

I'm scared that the team hiding is Miami.
Thay have the players...
An offer like Haslem + Cole + Andersen + a first draft choice works (on nba trade machine) and could be enough to convince the Rockets...

Geez, that would give the Rockets like a 30 player roster.

[DPG21920]

I'm scared that the team hiding is Miami.
Thay have the players...
An offer like Haslem + Cole + Andersen + a first draft choice works (on nba trade machine) and could be enough to convince the Rockets...

If its just expiring contracts with no actual talent + an extremely late first rounder, then way more teams will be interested. It would have to be a 3+ team deal because I am sure that HOU not only can get a first rounder (a better one than the Heats) but they also want something of value they can use or turn around and trade. Haslem/Cole/Anderson are not really any use to HOU or many other teams outside of expiring deals (and Haslem/Anderson aren't expiring IIRC).

Plenty of teams with just expiring deals and a better first rounder could easily beat MIA. MIA would have to be willing to eat another contract if they want to make that work. Even with a third team, it seems it would be tough for MIA to get Asik.

[DPG21920]

It would have to be something like:

MIA Gets: Asik
HOU Gets: Thad Young + MIA First Rounder
PHI Gets: Haslem/Anderson/Anthony + Future MIA First Rounder

Or even possibly getting a fourth team involved to eat deals/add picks for something.

As you can see, it becomes very tough to envision a realistic scenario for MIA getting Asik. This would get MIA Asik, but they have to give up 2 first rounders - would they do that?

Houston would do this because they get a player that can help now (in theory) plus a first rounder (even though it likely won't be great).

Phi does this because they save some money (10M) and gets a first rounder but do they want to give up on Young?

Basically, my point is if the price to get Asik is two firsts (late ones at that) and just expiring contracts, there will surely be many more teams that can beat MIA's offer. Not only that, if HOU thinks they can reach the finals, they won't want Asik guarding Dwight so they won't want to trade him there.

[DesignatedT]

I know Philly is thinking about getting rid of Turner. Maybe a third team looking to grab him.

[Baam]

OKc has two 2014 late first and several young assets, they're more likely to be the mystery team if there's one...

After the Harden fiasco they have to show Durant that they're doing everything (more like something) to help him win right now.

[RD2191]

OKc has two 2014 late first and several young assets, they're more likely to be the mystery team if there's one...

After the Harden fiasco they have to show Durant that they're doing everything (more like something) to help him win right now.
That would suck if it were OKC. Lol.

[HarlemHeat37]

The mystery team is apparently Portland, tbh..

Asik isn't a huge upgrade over Lopez, but it could be an interesting move if they plan on moving Lopez to the bench..I don't know why they would fuck with their chemistry, though..the Blazers are 29th in the NBA at defending the paint, they may feel like they require more defense up front..

[look_at_g_shred]

The mystery team is apparently Portland, tbh..
Prove it lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Prove it lol

It was posted on the RealGm Wiretap, I didn't check the source, though..

[cd021]

3 peat in the Heat land Asik

Thats a little over the top. He would be good against Hibbert and solve some of their rebounding problems. He can't shoot free throws and Miami would have to play a more traditional lineup to justify lineup. He could actually make them easier to defend in certain lineups.

[Baam]

Already posted the idea but refining it :

Bonner + Green + first for Jameer Nelson + Harkless

Also read that the Bobcats were shopping MKG, buy buy buy... Green + two first tbh or a three teams trade with Splitter and a first...

[look_at_g_shred]

Already posted the idea but refining it :

Bonner + Green + first for Jameer Nelson + Harkless

Also read that the Bobcats were shopping MKG, buy buy buy... Green + two first tbh or a three teams trade with Splitter and a first...
Dude....

[DPG21920]

Boston front runners to land Asik per Woj..

[DPG21920]

The mystery team is apparently Portland, tbh..

Asik isn't a huge upgrade over Lopez, but it could be an interesting move if they plan on moving Lopez to the bench..I don't know why they would fuck with their chemistry, though..the Blazers are 29th in the NBA at defending the paint, they may feel like they require more defense up front..

Which ultimately means my hunch was right and the original mystery team was the Spurs. Once POR found out, the immediately developed serious interest in Asik as well and told Woj.

[DPG21920]

Bass + Courtney Lee + First Round Pick.

That is pretty cheap to be honest. Depending on which pick/protections Boston sends, they would actually be opening up cap space earlier in this deal since Lee has 3 years on his deal.

For HOU, Bass has some range so that makes sense, but a pretty underwhelming deal if you ask me. Especially since if they keep Bass and Lee, they don't open up any additional cap space either.

[DesignatedT]

I think Houston could get something better than that. No pass Bass can shoot but meh.

[HarlemHeat37]

Bass is a nice player, tbh, he's a solid 3rd big on a contender..

[DPG21920]

Bass is a nice player, tbh, he's a solid 3rd big on a contender..

He's ok, but he would be their starting PF and 2nd big..

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Already posted the idea but refining it :

Bonner + Green + first for Jameer Nelson + Harkless

Also read that the Bobcats were shopping MKG, buy buy buy... Green + two first tbh or a three teams trade with Splitter and a first...

i love mkg. and green has the carolina ties. but i the idea of a green trade seems so sour tasting.

[Bruno]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer/ken-berger/24379547/asik-scenarios-emerge-with-self-imposed-deadline-looming


One scenario that emerged Wednesday would send Brandon Bass, Courtney Lee and a first-round pick from Boston to Houston for the disgruntled center, league sources confirmed. But that potential exchange struck rival GMs as strange, considering the lack of market there would be for Bass and Lee in future trades. Houston wants to fulfill Asik's trade request by Thursday so any players taken back could be repackaged in other deals before the Feb. 20 deadline.

"No one wants Lee or Bass on a third team or later deal," one executive said. "They make more than their skill set."

While I wouldn't take Lee (sucks + long contract), I really wouldn't mind Spurs taking Bass (I've already said it before).
Spurs could be a decent third team in that trade scenario.

[crc21209]

Whatever happens, I would rather see Asik go to an Eastern Conference team instead of landing on a team like Portland.

[DPG21920]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer/ken-berger/24379547/asik-scenarios-emerge-with-self-imposed-deadline-looming



While I wouldn't take Lee (sucks + long contract), I really wouldn't mind Spurs taking Bass (I've already said it before).
Spurs could be a decent third team in that trade scenario.

Per Woj, this is just a straight up deal between BOS & HOU.

[TD 21]

Why would the Rockets take Lee's contract? This could work with Bogans or Brooks (though in his case, it would put the Celtics slightly over the tax; not that the Rockets would/should care) replacing Lee in the package.


More potential good news on the SF buyout front for the Spurs. In addition to Rush, who I mentioned recently, Butler may yet become available too. The Bucks are obviously in the midst of a disastrous season and with Antetokounmpo and Middleton both showing promise, it obviously makes no sense to waste minutes on Butler when he returns . . . granted, he'd probably pick the Thunder over the Spurs.

[BatManu20]

Asik is going to Boston. Book it.

[td4mvp2k]

Why would the Rockets take Lee's contract? This could work with Bogans or Brooks (though in his case, it would put the Celtics slightly over the tax; not that the Rockets would/should care) replacing Lee in the package. More potential good news on the SF buyout front for the Spurs. In addition to Rush, who I mentioned recently, Butler may yet become available too. The Bucks are obviously in the midst of a disastrous season and with Antetokounmpo and Middleton both showing promise, it obviously makes no sense to waste minutes on Butler when he returns . . . granted, he'd probably pick the Thunder over the Spurs.lookz like bulls tryn to trade deng to

[Baam]

Hopefully the FO is working 24/7 on ways to trade for MKG... Green going back to North Carolina makes sense, it'd like the GHill deal in a way... MKG has the D to defend the best SF out there, he just needs a shooting coach and the Spurs have the best in the league... The offense defense balance will be much better with a defensive monster in each unit, put MKG between Bobo and Manu...

Btw the last two former Bobcats to come to the Spurs were Boris and SJax... Former Bobcats = win.

[elemento]

All the Asik interest came from Morey's long time friends, Angie and Hinkie.

I call it BS. Pretty sure Morey is massively disappointed with the offers he got and Asik is not going anywhere.

[Bruno]

413730859540168704

:lmao @ Rockets and Morey.

I'm sure there will have a great atmosphere when Asik will come back from his injury and play again with Rockets. Well played...

[Chinook]

Hopefully the FO is working 24/7 on ways to trade for MKG... Green going back to North Carolina makes sense, it'd like the GHill deal in a way... MKG has the D to defend the best SF out there, he just needs a shooting coach and the Spurs have the best in the league... The offense defense balance will be much better with a defensive monster in each unit, put MKG between Bobo and Manu...

Btw the last two former Bobcats to come to the Spurs were Boris and SJax... Former Bobcats = win.

A) Green's from New York. He only played at UNC. A trade to the Knicks or Nets would make more sense.

B) MKG would be a waste. He's a worse Leonard. He probably wouldn't start his entire contract.

C) The most recent former Bobcat was Maggette. Doesn't always work out.

[Baam]

Lol I was rooting for Magette to make the team... Incidentally I also made several trade proposal for Gerald Wallace who is one of the backup SF availlable for trash...

Also Chinook you're often talking about the league getting smaller, once the Rockets/Heat go small and Splitter is turned into a cheerleader, MKG would be worth the money regardless of ever starting or not in the regular season.

[szkorhetz]

A) Green's from New York. He only played at UNC. A trade to the Knicks or Nets would make more sense.

B) MKG would be a waste. He's a worse Leonard. He probably wouldn't start his entire contract.

C) The most recent former Bobcat was Maggette. Doesn't always work out.
MKG will have a better overall carrier than Leonard, TBH.
Leonard is way overrated in ST.

[Chinook]

MKG will have a better overall carrier than Leonard, TBH.
Leonard is way overrated in ST.

Leonard is overrated... But he's still better than MKG. At best, MKG will be Wallace, which of course is very respectable. That seems like Leonard's floor. I'm thinking Kawhi will end up being like Marion, maybe a little better.

[Chinook]

Lol I was rooting for Magette to make the team... Incidentally I also made several trade proposal for Gerald Wallace who is one of the backup SF availlable for trash...

Also Chinook you're often talking about the league getting smaller, once the Rockets/Heat go small and Splitter is turned into a cheerleader, MKG would be worth the money regardless of ever starting or not in the regular season.

To some extent, you're right. MKG could probably play the four in some match-ups. If he can stop being an offensive liability. Put Diaw is a good option to play as a small-ball four, especially over losing Green. I'm downright nervous about the Spurs' defense without Danny, seeing as Leonard has been getting taken to the woodshed this season by every elite scorer other than Durant and Melo. I have shaky confidence in him defending Harden or George. I have even less confidence in him defending Paul, Curry or Lillard.

[Baam]

That's a fair point... There's no perfect solution with the assets we have...

[PlayNando]

We aren't making any trades, tbh. We are what we are and we improved on an NBA Finals squad last year, so I'd say we're fine, tbh.

[spurraider21]

We aren't making any trades, tbh. We are what we are and we improved on an NBA Finals squad last year, so I'd say we're fine, tbh.
bonner is hardly getting minutes and is a 4 million dollar expiring contract.

[Captivus]

bonner is hardly getting minutes and is a 4 million dollar expiring contract.

The Spurs have to do use this contract, they HAVE TO!

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs won't trade for a young prospect, they'd trade for some old vet who doesn't mind sitting on the bench the rest of the season

[PlayNando]

bonner is hardly getting minutes and is a 4 million dollar expiring contract.
But Bonner and Pop are having an affair, tbh.

[TheGoldStandard]

But Bonner and Pop are having an affair, tbh.

Looks like Ayres might be his new bottom b*tch tho

[PlayNando]

Looks like Ayres might be his new bottom b*tch tho
Once you go black, you never go black................

[Spur-Addict]

As much sense as it makes to move Bonner, I just can't get my hopes up. He should have been gone years ago, but yet this grinder-eating-ginger-cheap-Eco-friendly-schmuck is still around. Until proven otherwise, I'm convinced he'll be extended for the duration of his career and eventually get his own statue. I still can't get over that Memphis series years ago when Manu had the broken arm and this asshole was getting heavy fuckin minutes.

[PlayNando]

The thing is that, besides the Big Three, Bonner is the only holdover from our title teams, tbh.

[Holden_Caulfield]

thaddeus young asked for a trade

[DPG21920]

thaddeus young asked for a trade

Where do you see that?

[Holden_Caulfield]

Where do you see that?

Follow

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000407616976/cc4ae3d27ea58cc0b316262fef3929ac_normal.jpegJake Fischer‏@JakeLFischer (https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer)

Source: Weeks before his name came up in Omer Asik trade talk, Thaddeus Young submitted a formal trade request to the #Sixers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Sixers&src=hash) weeks ago.

[Chinook]

Too expensive, but he's not a bad player. If he has legit range now, he's pretty much what we should be hoping Thomas can be.

[TheGoldStandard]

Jeff Ayres for a 6 pack?

[PlayNando]

I love Asik, but I'm not sure his contract is realistic, tbh.

[PlayNando]

But oh: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/rockets/2013/12/19/omer-asik-houston-rockets-no-trade/4126647/

[TheGoldStandard]

I love Asik, but I'm not sure his contract is realistic, tbh.
For what he brings to the table his contract is crap.

[PingPong]

Trade Green, Cojo and DeCulo for anything please.

[CGD]

Spurs first 9 rotation players are set so I don't think they try to make an impact trade. I can see them making a small move though for someone who is a bad fit on their current team for one of th Spurs' own misfits like Nando or Corey. Someone like Greg smith from the rockets would be interesting do example.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

i thought the rockets had the right team wrong player in mind. lin, asik pick(s) for rondo seemed like the deal.

[teazee]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=np5rdnw


SPURS :
K. Seraphin C
C. Singleton SF
WIZARDS :
Matt Bonner PF
N.de Colo PG

This Trade is Successful!

[palangi]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n3dh9d6


Spurs:
delone wright SF
meyers leonard C
allen crabbe SG

portland:
matt bonner
danny green
cory joseph
aron baynes


All the players for portland aren't getting much playing time. but all three bring length and athleticism.
delone wright is a 6'9" SF that is very good at the corner 3. he also has good athleticism. he is already a backup, so he fits that role for us too. can also play the 4 in small ball
meyers leonard is falling out of favor in portland. he is behind lopez and aldridge and robinson and joel freeland. He can come in and learn behind timmy.
allen crabbe is a kid i liked in the draft. he has sneaky athleticism. but he is avery good shooter.

why does portland do it? they get a stretch 4. a very good 3 point shooter to pair with mathews at he 2 spot. a young backup PG to play behind lillard. and a big physical guy.

PG- parker, mills, decolo
SG- bellineli, manu, crabbe
SF- leonard, wright, thomas
PF- duncan diaw, thomas
C- splitter, leonard, ayres

and now we also have an open spot ont he roster again.

[mountainballer]

413730859540168704

:lmao @ Rockets and Morey.

I'm sure there will have a great atmosphere when Asik will come back from his injury and play again with Rockets. Well played...

Morey managed to finish some of the more spectacular GM moves of the last years, so he is a guy who, at least sometimes, knows what he is doing.

but this time he clearly overplayed his cards and what was once thought to be a genious strategy (the structure of the Asik offer the Bulls eventually didn't match) backfires big time.
even in this league you won't find someone who takes this contract off your hands AND delivers a pick. usually you have to include the pick to make other teams listen. the Rockets overrated Asik when the prayed him away from Bulls and the overrated him in the last weeks hyped "the 19th Dec. decission". he even isn't that good on D (not Tyson Chandler good) and he is a Diva. 15 million plus the drama for some rebounds. common.
but good for us. the Asik disaster will keep the Rockets from becoming a Western contender. thx.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Morey managed to finish some of the more spectacular GM moves of the last years, so he is a guy who, at least sometimes, knows what he is doing.

but this time he clearly overplayed his cards and what was once thought to be a genious strategy (the structure of the Asik offer the Bulls eventually didn't match) backfires big time.
even in this league you won't find someone who takes this contract off your hands AND delivers a pick. usually you have to include the pick to make other teams listen. the Rockets overrated Asik when the prayed him away from Bulls and the overrated him in the last weeks hyped "the 19th Dec. decission". he even isn't that good on D (not Tyson Chandler good) and he is a Diva. 15 million plus the drama for some rebounds. common.
but good for us. the Asik disaster will keep the Rockets from becoming a Western contender. thx.

I am not willing to give too much credit to Morey. I think he has only made as many moves as possible to take Houston out of a mess of its own creation - guaranteed mediocrity since its inability to recover from Ming's premature retirement. IN such moves, there has been too many random movement as well, in the Jeremy Lin & Omer Asik signings and while the Harden/Howard signings have been relatively successful, they aren't still enough for his team to reach a position of championship contention despite striking so well in free agency.

People should judge the Rockets on the basis of results and not just on Morey's reputation. Thus far, his performance has been middling, not any spectacular.

[Mel_13]

I am not willing to give too much credit to Morey. I think he has only made as many moves as possible to take Houston out of a mess of its own creation - guaranteed mediocrity since its inability to recover from Ming's premature retirement. IN such moves, there has been too many random movement as well, in the Jeremy Lin & Omer Asik signings and while the Harden/Howard signings have been relatively successful, they aren't still enough for his team to reach a position of championship contention despite striking so well in free agency.

People should judge the Rockets on the basis of results and not just on Morey's reputation. Thus far, his performance has been middling, not any spectacular.

Morey is just the flavor of the month, like Presti and Pritchard before him. Everyone needs to remember what the Houston roster looked like just before the Harden trade. Morey had made a series of moves last summer that resulted in a horribly unbalanced roster destined for another 9th place finish in the conference. It was only when Presti came to his rescue by offering Harden for pennies on the dollar that things changed. Morey gets credit for parlaying his incredible good fortune with Harden into making Houston a possible destination for Howard, but without Presti's bonehead handling of an extremely valuable asset the Rockets are still a mediocre team trying to sneak into playoffs.

[DesignatedT]

I still think Asik is traded soon. I think Morey is bluffing on the "well just keep him for now" talk. He wants to move him ASAP.

[TheGoldStandard]

I still think Asik is traded soon. I think Morey is bluffing on the "well just keep him for now" talk. He wants to move him ASAP.
Who would be stupid enough to buy Asik? The guy is pretty solid defensively but he's an offensive void who can't hit free throws.

[Mel_13]

He wants to trade him ASAP, but he overplayed his hand as mountainballer pointed out. Now he has to lower expectations towards the sort of package teams get from salary dumps.

[DesignatedT]

Who would be stupid enough to buy Asik? The guy is pretty solid defensively but he's an offensive void who can't hit free throws.

There's a lot of teams stupid enough tbqh. This is the NBA.

[Mel_13]

Who would be stupid enough to buy Asik? The guy is pretty solid defensively but he's an offensive void who can't hit free throws.

Brooklyn would, but they have no assets to make the deal.

[Baam]

Ok trying to get a little more creative to get MKG since Green alone may not do the trick...

The idea is to use Bonner and De Colo to absorb a shitty contract from a team that will send a pick to Charlotte in exchange... That way the Spurs don't fuck too much with the future and still get the player they HAVE to get...

Something like :

Spurs get : Nash + MKG
Lakers get : Bonner + De Colo + 3rd scrub
Charlotte get : Green + one pick from each team

Nash doesn't fuck with the 2 years plan, Spurs become an elite small ball team as well as big team and win a championship...

[Ice009]

Spurs need to shake this shit up. Buddy, buddy chemistry off the court isn't going to win you a championship. You need to produce on the court, otherwise get some players with toughness and a little bit of athletic ability.

[Blizzardwizard]

Trade EVERYONE for picks and Steph Curry :cry

[td4mvp2k]

Parker for jameer nelson tbh

[ace3g]

Alexis Ajinça is signing with the Pelicans.



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[mute]

Paul Millsap signed for two years 19mill with Atlanta... Monta Ellis signed a similar deal, as did Tyreke Evans...

Instead of shelling out some money, we once again penny pitch. The Spurs fan and organization are gonna be in for a rude awakening when they realize how lucky they've been these past two decades by landing Duncan and Robinson.

[Spursfanfromafar]

There seems no place for Matt Bonner in this team anymore. He is now absolutely one-dimensional and is practically useless and a $4 million black hole for the Spurs.. The Spurs must work between now and the trade deadline to get a tall SF/ backup PF. Thats all.

[Spurs_Be_Beastin']

I think were one more Reliable scorer away from a championship tbh..

[td4mvp2k]

:tu

[TheGoldStandard]

Too bad Spurs front office has been a joke. Belli wanted to come here but outside of that they've failed to do anything to improve their chances to win. Spurs stand pat yet "experiment" with lineups even though it's roughly the same team from last year. Ayres is a joke, Bonner is a Spur for life, and we will lack athleticism and current gen prototype nba player till Tim walks away.

[freetiago]

Bonner for Mbah a Moute tbh..

[PlayNando]

Bonner for Luis Scola, tbh.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Bonner for Luis Scola, tbh.

Bonner for Roy Hibbert, tbh.

[capek]

I opened this thread expecting that it was something someone had bumped from 2009...

[houston spurs fan]

Lol. You don't know what the word redundant means. You are a modest talent intellectually.

[PlayNando]

Bonner for Roy Hibbert, tbh.
Bonner for LeBron James, tbh.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Bonner for LeBron James, tbh.

Bonner for Nando, tbh.

oh wait.

[AFBlue]

Inconceivable

[PlayNando]

Bonner for Nando, tbh.

oh wait.
Bonner for Hedo Turkoglu, per par.

[Mikeanaro]

Ariza

[testies]

Varejao

[Chinook]

I said this in another thread, but I'll repeat it here. The Spurs need to find a capable third perimeter defender more than anything. This player doesn't have to crack the rotation, but they need to be available in games like these. Green did a pretty good job prevent Durant from being effiicent, but he wasn't available to check Jackson and/or Westbrook very much like he normally does. These types of players can be found on the cheap often, like Green and Beverly were, but the team has to be smart about locating them.

It doesn't even need to be a long wing; an actualized Joseph would do.

[Baam]

I said this in another thread, but I'll repeat it here. The Spurs need to find a capable third perimeter defender more than anything. This player doesn't have to crack the rotation, but they need to be available in games like these. Green did a pretty good job prevent Durant from being effiicent, but he wasn't available to check Jackson and/or Westbrook very much like he normally does. These types of players can be found on the cheap often, like Green and Beverly were, but the team has to be smart about locating them.

It doesn't even need to be a long wing; an actualized Joseph would do.

Disagree about the last part, of course it needs to be a long wing...

Spurs need either more post offense or more perimeter D in general, OKc takes advantage of both limitations that's why they're winning so easily...

[Baam]

A Player able to provide both post offense and perimeter D is Josh Smith who is not really a good fit in Detroit...

[Baam]

A package that could be the best answer for our needs would be Snell + Boozer, perimeter D + post offense... But it's basically impossible for us to trade for that...

[objective]

All the following supposes that Bonner would be possible to trade, something I've long thought impossible due to how much he's beloved by the powers that be. But if, if they were willing to trade him ...

possible candidate:

Ersan Ilyasova

I think he's a realistic candidate, mostly because he's been so terrible this year that his value must be in the basement when factoring in his deal, 7.9 a year guaranteed through 15/16 (400k of 8.4 guaranteed in 16/17)

He has been vile garbage this season (and hurt). Hell, just watch him play, he fails the eye test. The stats reflect it: His minutes are the same as 11/12 and 12/13, and his usage is very close, but the drop is staggering.

year - min, pts, trb, fg%, 3pt%, trb%, tov%, PER

11/12 - 27.6 mpg, 13.0 pts, 8.8 trb, 49.2 fg%, 45.5 3pt%, 17.6 rb%, 10.1 TOV%, 20.5 PER
12/13 - 27.6 mpg, 13.2 pts, 7.1 trb, 46.2 fg%, 44.4 3pt%, 13.9 rb%, 7.9 TOV%, 18.3 PER
13/14 - 27.4 mpg, 8.2 pts, 4.6 trb, 38.3 fg%, 21.6 3pt%, 9.5 rb%, 15.3 TOV%, 8.9 PER

That's a serious decline. 3PT % cut in half, disgusting (only shooting 14.3% in December!). Rebounds, cut in half, rebound% cut nearly in half off 2 years ago, TOV% nearly double last year, his PER cut in half the last two years.

Is he just stuck in a bad situation and quitting? Or is he just the kind of player who is so dependent on other players that he can't function on a trainwreck like the Bucks? Or was he a fluke? Or another foreign player with a faked age (http://www.rferl.org/content/ilyasova-ilyasov-a-basketball-player-from-turkey-uzbekistan/24644497.html) who is really 29 and is just declining a little faster past his athletic prime?

Either way, he should be on the table. If his 3 pt shot could ever come back, it would be on the Spurs. And his deal, while a dealbreaker for other possible suitors like Houston (keeping cap room for summer 2015), might not be that bad on the Spurs. He could be a Diaw replacement. Sure his deal would cut into the rebuild, but not enough to cripple them I would think, besides, he would be an de facto expiring.

As far as matching salary, Bonner and Nando is enough (or Ayres in place of Nando). The question would be is he worth a first rounder this year. Based on how wretched he's been this year, I don't know if he's even worth a first rounder. But just the salary savings to the Bucks would give them the opportunity to get to nearly 17-18 million in caproom not including their 1st rounder, which admittedly will eat up about 5 million of that. So perhaps Bonner, Nando, and a 2nd could be enough.

A big reason I've been thinking about Ilyasova is that I don't think better players are achievable for the Spurs. The Spurs don't have the assets to get a Thaddeus Young. I don't think they can get Amir Johnson with a pick in the 25-27 range. Ariza isn't an option with the Wizards under so much pressure to make the playoffs. All the Spurs useful young overseas picks have little value after their injuries. Maybe Brandon Bass is gettable with Bonner and a first, but I don't even know if he's worth that.

[sventhedog]

i think it's time to gamble if there is such a way to tweak and improve the team. it's probably the least the spurs organization can do for the player who gave them championships.

[r0drig0lac]

SPURS needed a vessely sort aminu derrick williams here ... maybe can fit in Papanikolau oriented European style, but we need a high and / or athletic enough wing .. this is an old fact

[Chinook]

Disagree about the last part, of course it needs to be a long wing...

Spurs need either more post offense or more perimeter D in general, OKc takes advantage of both limitations that's why they're winning so easily...

There are two ways to look at it:

Coverage--if you get a bigger defender, then there's no one who can defended smaller players if Green is out. Maybe Leonard can slide down, but outside of a couple of end-of-game situations, I don't have a ton of confidence in him against players under 6-6 ... at least not yet. If you get a quicker defender, then there's someone who can take over on Westbrook if Green has to move up. Against combo-forwards like Melo, Diaw is already a decent backup option.

Fit--The only possible open spot in the rotation for a third perimeter defender (without creating another hole elsewhere ) is the backup point. That's why Joseph keeps getting burn. While running no PG could work on offense for the second unit, it wouldn't defensively. So either this defender only gets burn during injuries, or someone currently in the rotation gets a minutes cut. Leaving them on the deep bench would not be horrible, but such a player isn't worthy of a big trade or anything. They can be found on the scrap heap.

Ultimately, the Spurs need 2009 George Hill. He would be an excellent complement to Beli and Many and was a very good defender against smaller perimeter players. He could have slid right into the SL last night and covered Westbrook and Jackson. Obviously, players like him are somewhat rare and are highly valued as a result. But among players that the team doesn't need to spend a lot to acquire Joseph is probably the closest being that guy. If anyone has an idea of another player who could be acquired to fill that role, I'd love to hear it.

[td4mvp2k]

Alwayz thought joseph waz a good pickup vs a player like westbrick for D and Pop shood kno it tbh... Btw some1 put chris singleton out there and I think he could be had by spurs for sure wit little PT hes had tbh

[Aremid]

Why not Amir Johnson again?

[Baam]

There are two ways to look at it:

Coverage--if you get a bigger defender, then there's no one who can defended smaller players if Green is out. Maybe Leonard can slide down, but outside of a couple of end-of-game situations, I don't have a ton of confidence in him against players under 6-6 ... at least not yet. If you get a quicker defender, then there's someone who can take over on Westbrook if Green has to move up. Against combo-forwards like Melo, Diaw is already a decent backup option.

Fit--The only possible open spot in the rotation for a third perimeter defender (without creating another hole elsewhere ) is the backup point. That's why Joseph keeps getting burn. While running no PG could work on offense for the second unit, it wouldn't defensively. So either this defender only gets burn during injuries, or someone currently in the rotation gets a minutes cut. Leaving them on the deep bench would not be horrible, but such a player isn't worthy of a big trade or anything. They can be found on the scrap heap.

Ultimately, the Spurs need 2009 George Hill. He would be an excellent complement to Beli and Many and was a very good defender against smaller perimeter players. He could have slid right into the SL last night and covered Westbrook and Jackson. Obviously, players like him are somewhat rare and are highly valued as a result. But among players that the team doesn't need to spend a lot to acquire Joseph is probably the closest being that guy. If anyone has an idea of another player who could be acquired to fill that role, I'd love to hear it.

I don't believe in midgets defense that much tbh. Sure if we could get a 6"6 PG that'd be great but that's harder to find that anything... Just playing with the head2head tool at bballreference and Curry scored 38pts on .700 FG% the last time he went up against George Hill and is basically scoring at his career average against him...

The Spurs shat the bed with Manu and Beli playing together, which is a flawed proposition since day one. I've been saying that it was pure regular season stuff and it is. It's weak as fuck defensively, we need a true backup SF, or a SG is you consider Manu a SF... The bench is unbalanced as fuck because of the shitty offseason, they should have gotten a SF and a Center and instead went with a scrub PF and a weak defensive SG.

[Baam]

Interesting read of the most surprisingly productive defender :

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/64486/surprisingly-productive-defenders (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/64486/surprisingly-productive-defenders)

Guess who you find on the list : Durant, Reggie Jackson, MKG and Casspi among others lol (Caldwell Pope would be nice for us)

So they could have signed Casspi as a backup SF but went with Ayres who plays the same position as Diaw...

Lol at that quote for the MKG skeptics :

Kidd-Gilchrist, who is out with a broken finger at the moment, has played nearly 500 minutes this season, during which time the Bobcats have basically been the Pacers, with a 94.8 points per 100 possessions. When he's on the bench, they give up more than 100.

Another super interesting quote :

When opponents have the ball, Durant and Jackson have been, by the numbers, a top-10 NBA defensive duo. And it's not a simple case of the Thunder being great at defense. It's worth considering it might be something about this combination. One of the best five-man defensive units in the NBA (minimum 50 minutes played) is Durant and Jackson with Serge Ibaka (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3439/serge-ibaka), Thabo Sefolosha (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3028/thabo-sefolosha) andKendrick Perkins (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2018/kendrick-perkins). That lineup is one of the Thunder's most used and has an incredible defensive rating of 78.3. At the moment, if you substitute Westbrook in for Jackson, you have one of the Thunder's most familiar lineups, and one that gives up 103.3 points. The Westbrook lineup faces the best opponents and would be expected to perform a little worse. But 25 points per 100 possessions is a massive difference.

[Baam]

Green + Bonner + DeColo for Caldwell-Pope + Mitchell + Villanueva

Get a good and cheap midget defender to replace Green, a forward that hopefully could backup Kawhi and a scoring big.

That addresses a lot of needs even if Mitchell is a big question mark at that point...

[TheGoldStandard]

Just no more soft or defenseless euros

[Spursfanfromafar]

Marvin Williams for Bonner + De Colo, anyone?

[FireMicoHalili]

Bonner for Hedo Turkoglu, per par.
Bonner for LeBron tbh per par tbh

[palangi]

spurs get:

SG allen crabbe 6'6"- good shooter and good defender. a more athletic danny green. with better handles and shots on the move.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsV03s_0tNg

C meyers leonard 7'- Long athletic kid with potential. could really use being around timmy. 5th big for portland right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfcPpHa3EOE

Portland gets:
danny green- marco or manu steps into the starting lineup. the other one backs the other up. crabbe can play 5-10 minutes to help out too.
aron baynes- I was a big baynes guy. but the last 2 games have been very disappointing. portland can try to build him. a switch with meyers.
cory joseph- can be their third point. behind lillard and moe williams. can learn to be a backup for lillard


2nd trade
spurs get:
PF/C kevin seraphin 6'10"- a better ayres. great rebounder and can block shots. time has gone down this year in washington.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhKqLZX0GKo
SF/PF chris singelton 6'10"- a big physical kid. can defend and shoot corner 3's. can spell leonard 5-10 minutes with micah thomas too. is shooting 41% from 3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMWAnOQW8vM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNAtU3Zmtqs
PF jan vessley 7'- the kid has grown to 7'. probably won't amount to much but washington looks to dump him from their team. as part of this trade. can go play in autin and learn how to play right for the year. and maybe chip can work his magic on his shot. the kid does have athleticism though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTEhFtFhKaQ



This gets us younger, longer, and more athletic.

PG- parker, mills, decolo
SG- marco, manu, crabbe
SF- leonard, singleton, thomas
PF- duncan, diaw, seraphin, thomas
C- splitter, leonard, vesley

splitter, leonard, duncan, vesley, and seraphin are all able to play the 5 too.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol people are complaining about players on the Spurs' roster that are playing like scrubs, yet they want to replace them with scrubs from the rosters of shitty teams..

[Leetonidas]

Too bad there's no way the Spurs could pry Granger out of Indiana, he is expendable for them and would be a great added offensive punch and a solid defender

[palangi]

:lol people are complaining about players on the Spurs' roster that are playing like scrubs, yet they want to replace them with scrubs from the rosters of shitty teams..
do you mean like marco or diaw?

sometimes a change of scenery or change in team philosophy does one good.

[Richie]

I actually really like the idea of trading for Dorell Wright. I don't think we have anyone the Blazers would want, but I'd explore it.

Bonner for Wright would be a great trade for us, but I don't see why the Blazers would want Bonner and I'm quite happy to keep him as his minutes have been much reduced these last 2 years. At 20+ mpg he drives me crazy, at 12mpg he's a great asset.

[playbonner15]

How about Amir Johnson?

[CGD]

Spurs need to see what they have in Thomas before they make a move. I think if given the chance he'll do some good things in spot minutes do address some of the concerns raised here. Spurs really don't need a big upgrade at any position with the exception of that 3/4 combo off the bench.

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs need to see what they have in Thomas before they make a move. I think if given the chance he'll do some good things in spot minutes do address some of the concerns raised here. Spurs really don't need a big upgrade at any position with the exception of that 3/4 combo off the bench.

Spurs need to play him, especially in meaningless December and not wait till march to throw him in for one game and then bench him when he struggles

[look_at_g_shred]

Spurs need to play him, especially in meaningless December and not wait till march to throw him in for one game and then bench him when he struggles
This.

[Strategic]

:lol people are complaining about players on the Spurs' roster that are playing like scrubs, yet they want to replace them with scrubs from the rosters of shitty teams..

[ducks]

:blah
nets need a center

[look_at_g_shred]

:wakeup

[Mal]

Can Kirilenko walk ? Didnt saw him in Nets lineup for a while. But no, fuck him.

[ChumpDumper]

No.

[monkeypunk]

:lol

[jon123spurs]

Hell no.

[.G.]

With this team I'd see Boris as the better option, nigga has a high BBIQ, and a overall better facilitator
Plus that nigga AK has a bad back, no? Eyeball test tells me that (with this team) Boris is a better 3pt shooter/ creator in the paint and has shown steady improvement backing niggaz down lately

Most important, for me, SAS would be trading away chemistry......and as I've learned in these past five years: The chemistry MUST be respected!

[DesignatedT]

No, no would I trade Belinelli for hin.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'd curse them with Jeff Ayres... that would be nice.

[Chomag]

No Not saying AK isnt the better player but he is a risk with health.

[$pursDynasty]

I don't even think he is a better player, Diaw has been a major positive this season and showed he could actually guard Lebron for parts of a game. If we are gonna trade for a Brooklyn Net give me Garnett for Splitter. It is a short sighted deal seeing as Splitter will play long afterlKG is gone but if this is as good as Splitter gets then I'd take two years of Garnett over this from Splitter

[Robz4000]

Trade for Johnson before tonight's game tbh.

[Cklbmk]

Could the Nets have really done the Spurs a solid accidently and got AK47 on a redic cheap contract?

They don't really need him with how bad they are imploding. I wonder if they'd be open to trading him for a combo of Joseph, decolo, Ayres, and a 1st?

[spursfaninla]

of course they would! If you were the nets, you would take two sub-par backup pgs and a sub-par bigman for a starting quality sf.

The question is, do the spurs really have to throw in the 1st?

[Cklbmk]

of course they would! If you were the nets, you would take two sub-par backup pgs and a sub-par bigman for a starting quality sf.

The question is, do the spurs really have to throw in the 1st?

Well Joseph has some potential if he gets some leash. Decolo and Errors.. well... salary filler.. I might even throw in a 2nd 1st tbh just because of how good his contract is and I want to see Timmy get another shot.

[TheGoldStandard]

Too late into the season for him to be useful, health concerns

[Cklbmk]

FWIW BKN fans on realgm like the idea

[HarlemHeat37]

Billy King would probably toss a salad right now just to get a 1st round pick from anybody, tbh, so it's certainly doable..

I don't know if Kirilenko is worth it anymore, though, it doesn't appear that he can stay on the court..fit-wise, he's perfect for the Spurs, but nigga is glass..

[TheGoldStandard]

Billy King would probably toss a salad right now just to get a 1st round pick from anybody, tbh, so it's certainly doable..

I don't know if Kirilenko is worth it anymore, though, it doesn't appear that he can stay on the court..fit-wise, he's perfect for the Spurs, but nigga is glass..

Maybe he just wants out, lol.

[DJR210]

Nah, no telling how much the Spurs would need to pay him under the table.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Did AK sign a one year deal? If he signed a 2-3 year deal it's possible the Nets would like to shed some salary. Not necessarily as far fetched as some are making it out to be.

[Johnny RIngo]

Did AK sign a one year deal? If he signed a 2-3 year deal it's possible the Nets would like to shed some salary. Not necessarily as far fetched as some are making it out to be.

$6.5 million over 2 years. 2nd year is a player option

[ThaBigFundamental21]

$6.5 million over 2 years. 2nd year is a player option

Definitely a reasonable deal. I'm not sure what that means for San Antonio tbh. But if he was acquired Pop would obviously manage his minutes like no other coach/staff with his age and injury history.

[Cklbmk]

It's a really good deal if he opts in he could beast. He's returned to practice already

[Johnny RIngo]

Definitely a reasonable deal. I'm not sure what that means for San Antonio tbh. But if he was acquired Pop would obviously manage his minutes like no other coach/staff with his age and injury history.

Pop is the best in the league with minute management but I'm not sure how much AK has left in the tank. Haven't gotten a chance to watch him play this year. The Brooklyn games I have watched, he was inactive.

[crc21209]

I don't even know If I would want him at this point. He hasnt played a game this season yet has he?

[Cklbmk]

Another idea I had that Portland fans like on realgm is Danny Green for Cj McCollum

[ThaBigFundamental21]

All the better reason to get AK tbh. Let him rest to the half point or so and slowly add him. Obviously the spurs would have to do their due diligence and make sure he is healthy enough, or will be this season.

I'm with you guys though tbh. AK in his day was a STUD, I'm not going to lie I wanted him to be a Spur. He seemed like a perfect fit. He could do it all, score, defend, rebound, and pass. Honestly, there wasn't a lot he couldn't do. Just last year he did score double digits over 60+ games and 30+ mpg. And that was at over .500 fg percentage. Not bad at all. He would be a great back up for Leonard. This year has been different. Really banged up. I'm kind thinking aloud here, but if we could get AK for spare parts I would be pleased.

[Chinook]

Another idea I had that Portland fans like on realgm is Danny Green for Cj McCollum

Of course they do. We would like Drummond for Splitter. Fans love trades that are in their team's favor.

[Johnny RIngo]

Of course they do. We would like Drummond for Splitter. Fans love trades that are in their team's favor.

You know the Danny Green hate on this board has gotten ridiculous when users want to trade him for an injury-prone rookie that hasn't set foot on an NBA court.

[wildcardX]

I don't know about Kirilenko. Has he even played the past 2 seasons? Also some people mentioned that the Spurs may need a athletic scoring big. Didn't they try out Blatche last season? Never really saw the guy play a full game but it looks like he puts up some decent numbers. What happened? Is he horrible on defense?

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't know about Kirilenko. Has he even played the past 2 seasons? Also some people mentioned that the Spurs may need a athletic scoring big. Didn't they try out Blatche last season? Never really saw the guy play a full game but it looks like he puts up some decent numbers. What happened? Is he horrible on defense?

Kirilenko was very good in Minnesota last season, tbh..

Blatche is a very good scorer, but wouldn't provide anything else that the Spurs could use..

[Hoops Czar]

You know the Danny Green hate on this board has gotten ridiculous when users want to trade him for an injury-prone rookie that hasn't set foot on an NBA court.

Danny Green wouldn't net them Cj McCollum, injury prone or not. Danny Green has as much value to another team as a tube of toothpaste.

[Chinook]

Danny Green wouldn't net them Cj McCollum, injury prone or not. Danny Green has as much value to another team as a tube of toothpaste.

He'd be just fine on the Heat or Thunder.

[Cklbmk]

Of course they do. We would like Drummond for Splitter. Fans love trades that are in their team's favor.


You're severely overvaluing Green or undervaluing CJ not sure which. Go watch some tape on him and watch some interviews

[Chinook]

You're severely overvaluing Green or undervaluing CJ not sure which. Go watch some tape on him and watch some interviews

Who cares about draft interviews and college tape? Green was awesome in college too. And he's a significantly better player at this point. The fact that you think the Spurs should trade Green for a guy who'd be behind Malcolm Thomas in the rotation is disturbing.

[Cklbmk]

Who cares about draft interviews and college tape? Green was awesome in college too. And he's a significantly better player at this point. The fact that you think the Spurs should trade Green for a guy who'd be behind Malcolm Thomas in the rotation is disturbing.


The fact that you think he'd be behind Malcolm Thomas is disturbing. I'll bump this post in a few months or next season for you.

[palangi]

Another idea I had that Portland fans like on realgm is Danny Green for Cj McCollum
ask them about green and joseph and aron baynes for meyers leonard and allen crabbe

[Chinook]

The fact that you think he'd be behind Malcolm Thomas is disturbing. I'll bump this post in a few months or next season for you.

You'll bump it when they trade for him? Or when he gets playing time in Portland? Let's start with him making the Blazers' rotation and not being off injured. Lemme guess, those fans wanted Splitter for Oden, too?

[elemento]

Green's hate is getting ridiculous seriously

Why would SA trade a proven cheap rotational player like Danny Green for an injured combo guard that has showed nothing so far in the NBA? CJ McCollum had a fractured fifth metatarsal in his left foot. You guys should remember what happened to James Anderson after the same kind of injury.

Until McCollum fully recovers and proves that he can play in the NBA, he has little to no value. It doesn't matter if you like Danny Green or not. Right now, Danny Green is worth more than CJ McCollum quite easily and SAS front-office would be dumb to even consider such a trade right now.

[ata]

Green's hate is getting ridiculous seriously

Why would SA trade a proven cheap rotational player like Danny Green for an injured combo guard that has showed nothing so far in the NBA? CJ McCollum had a fractured fifth metatarsal in his left foot. You guys should remember what happened to James Anderson after the same kind of injury.

Until McCollum fully recovers and proves that he can play in the NBA, he has little to no value. It doesn't matter if you like Danny Green or not. Right now, Danny Green is worth more than CJ McCollum quite easily and SAS front-office would be dumb to even consider such a trade right now.

Couldn't agree more.

[r0drig0lac]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231216/Magic-Plan-To-Part-With-Hedo-Turkoglu-By-Jan-7

[TheCerebral1]

I would buy low on a guy like McCollum but not with Green in the mix. If it could come along the lines of Joseph/Mills and a 2nd round pick, heck yes.

[lmbebo]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231216/Magic-Plan-To-Part-With-Hedo-Turkoglu-By-Jan-7

Hedo = done

[BillMc]

Green's hate is getting ridiculous seriously

Why would SA trade a proven cheap rotational player like Danny Green for an injured combo guard that has showed nothing so far in the NBA? CJ McCollum had a fractured fifth metatarsal in his left foot. You guys should remember what happened to James Anderson after the same kind of injury.

Until McCollum fully recovers and proves that he can play in the NBA, he has little to no value. It doesn't matter if you like Danny Green or not. Right now, Danny Green is worth more than CJ McCollum quite easily and SAS front-office would be dumb to even consider such a trade right now.

This

[Blizzardwizard]

Trade Pop for Bill Land.

[TD 21]

Splitter needs to be traded . . . and this is not some overreaction to what's happening in the moment. I've long felt this and it doesn't stem from dislike or bias.

It's simple: The starting lineup is broken and given the limited track record of success and the always somewhat awkward fit, it doesn't make much sense to just presume it'll automatically turn it around, either. Players have off shooting seasons. It happens. Especially when said players were never great shooters to begin with. Five of the six most frequently used front court players just so happen to be having one at once. Couple that with the lack of defensive mobility this group possesses and in essence, what you have is a team that can't defend against the majority of elite teams, yet also can't punish them with their size.

Splitter is obviously overqualified to just back Duncan and though he'd come in handy as a secondary defensive anchor, how much sense does it make to prioritize someone who should primarily be utilized for 10-12 minutes (because that's all they can afford to rest Duncan against good teams in the playoffs) when it matters most over an asset that they could potentially utilize for 30 mpg? This team isn't good enough to essentially cross out their fifth best player against good teams. Heck, no team is.

[TheGoldStandard]

Splitter needs to be traded . . . and this is not some overreaction to what's happening in the moment. I've long felt this and it doesn't stem from dislike or bias.

It's simple: The starting lineup is broken and given the limited track record of success and the always somewhat awkward fit, it doesn't make much sense to just presume it'll automatically turn it around, either. Players have off shooting seasons. It happens. Especially when said players were never great shooters to begin with. Five of the six most frequently used front court players just so happen to be having one at once. Couple that with the lack of defensive mobility this group possesses and in essence, what you have is a team that can't defend against the majority of elite teams, yet also can't punish them with their size.

Splitter is obviously overqualified to just back Duncan and though he'd come in handy as a secondary defensive anchor, how much sense does it make to prioritize someone who should primarily be utilized for 10-12 minutes (because that's all they can afford to rest Duncan against good teams in the playoffs) when it matters most over an asset that they could potentially utilize for 30 mpg? This team isn't good enough to essentially cross out their fifth best player against good teams. Heck, no team is.

The guy is solid against middle of the road teams, teams we won't face in the playoffs and yet we signed him to a deal that just boggles the mind given his minutes.

[Budkin]

Josh Howard's been tearing it up on the Toros. Savior tbh? :lol

[objective]

I can't imagine trading Splitter to be a serious option. Trade him for what? What team would want Splitter? And what would happen to the defense?

Just hope Splitter works out the kinks of his crap offense in the remainder of the regular season. I don't know about benching, but more minutes would be better. He can play 30 a game, give him more time with Manu on the second unit instead of Ayres. Even a tired Splitter would be better than a fresh Ayres.

[romsho]

Splitter can't be traded until January 15th under rules. Would you trade him for Omer Asik? Similar age, salaries- Asik has 2 yrs left on his contract and Splitter on a 4 year. Rockets are going to trade Asik...he asked for a trade and is now benched. I would do it in a second. Asik a legit 7 ft defensive center who plays big. He would fit perfectly next to Duncan.

[objective]

Holt can't afford the Asik balloon payment coming next year. Asik also has his own problems with horrible offense, a whole lot more turnover prone than Splitter by 50%(!), same bad free throws if not worse, and isn't that much of an upgrade over Splitter on defense. Better rebounder, that's all.

[Baam]

Splitter needs to be traded . . . and this is not some overreaction to what's happening in the moment. I've long felt this and it doesn't stem from dislike or bias.

It's simple: The starting lineup is broken and given the limited track record of success and the always somewhat awkward fit, it doesn't make much sense to just presume it'll automatically turn it around, either. Players have off shooting seasons. It happens. Especially when said players were never great shooters to begin with. Five of the six most frequently used front court players just so happen to be having one at once. Couple that with the lack of defensive mobility this group possesses and in essence, what you have is a team that can't defend against the majority of elite teams, yet also can't punish them with their size.

Splitter is obviously overqualified to just back Duncan and though he'd come in handy as a secondary defensive anchor, how much sense does it make to prioritize someone who should primarily be utilized for 10-12 minutes (because that's all they can afford to rest Duncan against good teams in the playoffs) when it matters most over an asset that they could potentially utilize for 30 mpg? This team isn't good enough to essentially cross out their fifth best player against good teams. Heck, no team is.

What the market, the only team semi interested this summer was Portland to fuck with the Spurs per par...

The NY teams may be the only ones desperate for a center but I believe he has a big trade kicker in his contract anyway that makes trades even harder...

[Baam]

Green + Bonner + pick for Amir + Vasquez, get the post scoring we need and a true PG so that we can shut down Parker 2 months... Would be a fan favorite which wouldn't hurt.

Another one would be Splitter + Bonner for Boozer + Snell, Bulls want to get rid of Boozer and T-Vag advanced stats might be valued in Chicago... Imo this is one of the most realistic ones... Snell is the sweetener since Boozer had one more year left after that one on his ridiculous contract... We could even keep Green in that scenario. Or maybe we send Green and get a good pick.

[Captivus]

I just want to know what the Spurs are going to do with Bonner.

[spursince#99]

Cory Joseph, De Colo, and Matt Bonner need to go. I'm fed up with paying players in exchange for front row seats just to watch the game. Splitter, Ayres, and Green to a lesser extent, should also be upgraded. It's not hard, our front office just has to stop being lazy. Tim Duncan deserves a 5th ring.

[bluebellmaniac]

Cory Joseph, De Colo, and Matt Bonner need to go. I'm fed up with paying players in exchange for front row seats just to watch the game. Splitter, Ayres, and Green to a lesser extent, should also be upgraded. It's not hard, our front office just has to stop being lazy. Tim Duncan deserves a 5th ring.

So who would you replace these 6 players with? That's half the team...

[r0drig0lac]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231234/Sources-Grizzlies-Active-In-Trade-Talks-For-Wing-Athleticism

other teams trying to improve .... very nice

[TD 21]

What the market, the only team semi interested this summer was Portland to fuck with the Spurs per par...

The NY teams may be the only ones desperate for a center but I believe he has a big trade kicker in his contract anyway that makes trades even harder...

The market would be solid. The lack of rumored interest in the summer was because teams knew they'd have to offer something astronomical for the Spurs to even consider not matching and nobody wanted to get stuck paying him something like $12M a season. At $9M, he's fairly priced, even with the trade kicker . . . but realistically, they're not trading him.

They could still at least somewhat alleviate the obvious spacing issues and the inability to defend small ball teams though, by trading Bonner and Ayres for Bass (the Celtics would be thrilled to shave $5M off the books for next season). This would clear up/balance the bigs situation, while also opening up a roster spot for a true SF/combo forward, without having to waive Thomas.

[Sean Cagney]

Green's hate is getting ridiculous seriously

Why would SA trade a proven cheap rotational player like Danny Green for an injured combo guard that has showed nothing so far in the NBA? CJ McCollum had a fractured fifth metatarsal in his left foot. You guys should remember what happened to James Anderson after the same kind of injury.

Until McCollum fully recovers and proves that he can play in the NBA, he has little to no value. It doesn't matter if you like Danny Green or not. Right now, Danny Green is worth more than CJ McCollum quite easily and SAS front-office would be dumb to even consider such a trade right now.

We are not trading Green, don't get why anyone in here would keep saying that nonsense. I agree with what you said.

[TheGoldStandard]

We are not trading Green, don't get why anyone in here would keep saying that nonsense. I agree with what you said.

They did sign Jeff Ayres

[Kyuui-Musikq]

What I find interesting is that they really, really are trying to speed the progression of De Colo, Baynes and Thomas as much as possible, at least I gather as much from the patterns I see.

Their constantly sending them down to play and then calling them up the same day only to view the game from the stands, then send them down again as if it's an effort to maximize their growth.

i mean it could be just sound insurance policies, but it makes me think the FO is really mulling over some changes.

IMO, this seems to be a yr were they make deals. After missing out on so many targets in the offseason, seeing Tiago, Bonner and Ayers scalped play after play, it just can't be sitting well with them.

No way can I imagine them trading Danny Green unless it's for a legit breakout 2 guard or someone who's proven who's contract is trying to be dumped. It would just mess with the chemistry way too much after he's already become a big part of the team. And if you were to do it, it wouldn't be in the middle of the season.

[TheGoldStandard]

What I find interesting is that they really, really are trying to speed the progression of De Colo, Baynes and Thomas as much as possible, at least I gather as much from the patterns I see.

Their constantly sending them down to play and then calling them up the same day only to view the game from the stands, then send them down again as if it's an effort to maximize their growth.

i mean it could be just sound insurance policies, but it makes me think the FO is really mulling over some changes.

IMO, this seems to be a yr were they make deals. After missing out on so many targets in the offseason, seeing Tiago, Bonner and Ayers scalped play after play, it just can't be sitting well with them.

No way can I imagine them trading Danny Green unless it's for a legit breakout 2 guard or someone who's proven who's contract is trying to be dumped. It would just mess with the chemistry way too much after he's already become a big part of the team. And if you were to do it, it wouldn't be in the middle of the season.

D-League speed and NBA speed are two different animals.. Won't be useful in Pop's system unless they get playing time with the real team.

[Sean Cagney]

They did sign Jeff Ayres

Ehhhhhh do not remind me of that. They are not going to get value for Green though, period.

[Raven]

Splitter can't be traded until January 15th under rules. Would you trade him for Omer Asik? Similar age, salaries- Asik has 2 yrs left on his contract and Splitter on a 4 year. Rockets are going to trade Asik...he asked for a trade and is now benched. I would do it in a second. Asik a legit 7 ft defensive center who plays big. He would fit perfectly next to Duncan.

he also has 0 offensive game and can't hit ft to save his life.

[exstatic]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231234/Sources-Grizzlies-Active-In-Trade-Talks-For-Wing-Athleticism

other teams trying to improve .... very nice
Others teams really need to.

[r0drig0lac]

Others teams really need to.
ok

[look_at_g_shred]

So who would you replace these 6 players with? That's half the team...
It's not worth the argument with such fragile minds.

[ChumpDumper]

What I find interesting is that they really, really are trying to speed the progression of De Colo, Baynes and Thomas as much as possible, at least I gather as much from the patterns I see.

Their constantly sending them down to play and then calling them up the same day only to view the game from the stands, then send them down again as if it's an effort to maximize their growth.Scheduling convenience more than anything.

[ace3g]

The Cavaliers, Mavericks, Lakers, Raptors, Spurs, Grizzlies and Nets are among the teams interested in Luol Deng (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/denglu01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.hoopsrumors.com), sources tell Aggrey Sam of CSNChicago.com (http://www.csnchicago.com/bulls/bulls-luol-dengs-upcoming-free-agency-cant-be-ignored).

[Chinook]

Can't see the interest being serious. The Spurs don't have a spot for a fifth starter-caliber wing.

Plus, the buyout market could be one of the best ever at the three with Butler, Ariza, World Peace and maybe even Pierce and AK available.

[Kyuui-Musikq]

Scheduling convenience more than anything.
Your right. I'm probably just over ambitiously reading into any activity at this point in the hopes of it being a sign of something positive to come

[timmy2003]

We need another wing defender to help Kawhi. Playing Manu/Marco/Green at 3 is not a good option.

[timmy2003]

We struggled against Rockets because they are loaded with 6-7 to 6-9 wing players who can shoot 3s.

[venitian navigator]

One possible trade partner could be Denver.
One player we could look at is Chandler (good defensive player that can shoot the three).
If the fo thinks he's worth a draft pick, I think we could have him for a package of Bonner+De Colo+draft pick...(De Colo could find more playing time there and play with another franch guy in Fournier).
Denver is not going to compete for the title this year and, considering next draft, they could be tempted to lose some more games so to be more involved in the draft lottery (they also have the knicks pick).
Chandler has a more than decent contract, that could fit in our long time strategy...

[palangi]

They just said that andrew bynum is up on the trade block and they want to get it done before january 7th. they talked that he hasn't meshed with his teammates very well. I know it would be a gamble but what if they are selling low to get rid of him? they don't want his huge contract on the books next year.

[RD2191]

Bynum better not go to the Heat.

[TheGoldStandard]

Bynum wanted out of crappy Cleveland so he acts up, looking to get dealt to a contender. Wouldnt he surprised if a team took a chance the contract is pretty cheap

[r0drig0lac]

One possible trade partner could be Denver.
One player we could look at is Chandler (good defensive player that can shoot the three).
If the fo thinks he's worth a draft pick, I think we could have him for a package of Bonner+De Colo+draft pick...(De Colo could find more playing time there and play with another franch guy in Fournier).
Denver is not going to compete for the title this year and, considering next draft, they could be tempted to lose some more games so to be more involved in the draft lottery (they also have the knicks pick).
Chandler has a more than decent contract, that could fit in our long time strategy...
I agree, but I'm still bothered by derrick williams leaving minessota asked for anything .... so little and I think he would have been excellent in spurs

[TheGoldStandard]

I agree, but I'm still bothered by derrick williams leaving minessota asked for anything .... so little and I think he would have been excellent in spurs

Imagine if it would have cost us only Bonner and a pick or Bonner + De colo or Ayres lol....

[Baam]

Idea to get Amir Johnson :

Celtics get : Splitter
Raptors get : Bonner + Boston 2015 picks + Spurs 2014 pick
Spurs get : Johnson + Wallace

Duncan Diaw
Johnson Diaw
Kawhi Wallace
Green Beli Gino
TP one of the scrub PG

All a sudden Duncan has two great low post scorers to play with him and both are pretty mobile... And Kawhi gets a backup...

[DesignatedT]

Bynum better not go to the Heat.

Exactly what I was thinking. They could certainly use him against Hibbert and co.

[TheGoldStandard]

Idea to get Amir Johnson :

Celtics get : Splitter
Raptors get : Bonner + Boston 2015 picks + Spurs 2014 pick
Spurs get : Johnson + Wallace

Duncan Diaw
Johnson Diaw
Kawhi Wallace
Green Beli Gino
TP one of the scrub PG

All a sudden Duncan has two great low post scorers to play with him and both are pretty mobile... And Kawhi gets a backup...

Bonner is getting a legacy deal at the end of this season, he's not going anywhere

[TheGoldStandard]

Exactly what I was thinking. They could certainly use him against Hibbert and co.

That 6 million gaurentee is not hard to sell with the potential he could bring to the heat. Joel Anthony and another bench scrub could make the cash work

[Bruno]

The most likely scenario for Bynum is: he will be waived before January 7th and then sing a min contract with the contender of his choice (Clippers or Heat according to Bill Simmons).

[Bruno]

BTW, a trade that would make an awful lot of sense is Deng for Bynum + pick with Bulls waiving Bynum jsut after the trade.

Bulls will save a lot of luxury tax money and Cavs will get the SF they are desperately looking for.

[RD2191]

Hearing he either wants to sign with the Clips or Heat. Either way this is bad news for the Spurs. Damn, this sucks. According to Bill Simmons so not sure if true.

[Ice009]

Exactly what I was thinking. They could certainly use him against Hibbert and co.

You think Cleveland is ever going to trade with Miami?

[DPG21920]

You think Cleveland is ever going to trade with Miami?

Absolutely if it makes sense. They won't cut off their nose to spite their face, no matter how much they posture. People forget that CLE said they would not participate in a sign and trade for Lebron to MIA and we see how that ended.

[Aremid]

Hearing he either wants to sign with the Clips or Heat. Either way this is bad news for the Spurs. Damn, this sucks. According to Bill Simmons so not sure if true.

Duncan and pop need to get off their ass and recruit him. Didn't the celtics (doc kg pierce Allen) do that w Rasheed Wallace?

[TheGoldStandard]

Duncan and pop need to get off their ass and recruit him. Didn't the celtics (doc kg pierce Allen) do that w Rasheed Wallace?

wouldn't be fair to Ayres

[RD2191]

Duncan and pop need to get off their ass and recruit him. Didn't the celtics (doc kg pierce Allen) do that w Rasheed Wallace?
I'm not sure, tbh. They probably did though. And Bynum would be a good backup, even if he is a questionable character.:lol

[Hoops Czar]

Bynum doesn't have any leverage. His doesn't ave a say. He'll go to whomever gives Cleveland the best offer.

[DPG21920]

Bynum doesn't have any leverage. His doesn't ave a say. He'll go to whomever gives Cleveland the best offer.

Not entirely true. No team is going to take Bynum on unless he wants to play for them (unless that team taking him on is doing so only to save money by waiving him) because of the money owed and possibility of damaging the locker room. They are especially not going to give up anything of value if they think Bynum will do what he's doing in CLE. His Jan guarantee date makes it tough.

[RD2191]

Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons (https://twitter.com/BillSimmons)5h (https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/416974450295189504)
5 - No team will trade for Bynum and spend 6 mill if he doesn't want to play there. He's playing this perf

[TheGoldStandard]

He's worth the headache

[Baam]

I'm bored before the UFC main event...

Thinking about the best way to unload Splitter in a few days once he becomes eligible...

Teams that need a starting (because Splitter is paid like a starter) center badly : Boston, Brooklyn, Dallas, NY, New Orleans

I don't see much that I'd like on these teams... People told me not to be worried about Splitter's market value but I can't help it tbh...

What the best options on these teams, tosb Marion or Wallace + picks?

Also it's pretty unforgiveable that they didn't recruit Ajinca who is playing well for the Pelis... He was the low post scoring option we needed off the bench...

[Chinook]

Marion is expiring and doesn't need picks to be traded for him.

Splitter is nearly untouchable, but suspending that for now, don't forget Atlanta and Philly, who were supposedly part of the Asik sweepstakes. Both have some decent pieces like Millsap, Nogueira, Hawes and Young.

[Baam]

Hey the good news is that I want to keep Green now... I'm more convinced that the problem is unit related and having 3 SGs and 2 sharpshooters won't be too much in the POs...

Philly and Atlanta have some better pieces indeed but I'm not sure I see anything that really fits...

Wallace + Bradley could give us both the smaller defender and the combo forward we miss, both are pretty limited on offense tho... Not sure Boston wants to pay Bradley in the first place so if we get Wallace we might as well get him to throw at Reggie Jackson...

[Chinook]

And I'm proud of you from temporarily hopping off the trade Green bandwagon.

The difference between us is that you like Wallace whereas I would consider him just a bad contract. I would want more than Bradley to give up the best player and take back the worst contract. At least another player or pick. Would rather have Bogans back since he's a dust chip.

Atlanta can offer Brand's expiring, Nogueira and either Schröder or Jenkins, and Philly has New Orleans's first or Noel if Young or Hawes don't work. Much better than Boston's crap.

[cd021]

There is a report that Parker could be targeted by the Knicks in 2015

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2013/12/27/report-knicks-to-target-parker-in-2015/

[Chinook]

Not gonna happen. Melo will be old and taking up a huge chunk of salary. If Leonard even follows my conservative projection, he'll be a better player and making about half as much. It's likely the Spurs could afford to keep Parker, Green, Leonard, Diaw and Splitter while also bringing in max player like Love and a room-exception player like Beli could have been. Not to mention the Spurs have draft picks and prospects overseas.

[Kyuui-Musikq]

There is a report that Parker could be targeted by the Knicks in 2015

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2013/12/27/report-knicks-to-target-parker-in-2015/

Wouldnt be the first time there's been speculation between the two

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/san-antonio-guard-tony-parker-new-york-knicks-trade-partner-article-1.449027

His close friend Thierry Henry is there and we all know he frequents NY in his down time.

I think if they really wanted it to happen they could get it done.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

What do you guys think of Pekovic?

[DesignatedT]

What do you guys think of Pekovic?

He just signed 5 years 60M with Minnesota.

[Chinook]

What do you guys think of Pekovic?

Bizarro Splitter. Strong finisher and all-around great offensive big, but slow-footed and generally disappointing on D. Would be better than Splitter in many cases, but wouldn't be able to play with Duncan at all. Also makes a lot more.

[Spursfanfromafar]

People here underestimate Parker perhaps because of his Hollywood connection. Parker has been remarkably driven to play only for the Spurs (as long as they contend and compete and keep their nucleus which enabled them to do so), even more than Duncan & Manu, if you ask me. Duncan almost nearly fell for the Orlando lure while Manu hasn't been as coveted as the latter two (that doesn't mean that his value has been any less than Parker over the years, if not more).

Parker could possibly bolt the Spurs when Duncan, Manu *AND* Popovich leave.. but I suspect that Pop, RCB & co. are a bit more visionary than (even) we expect. If RCB pulls a rabbit out of the FA hat in 2013 (Kevin Love?) to pair up with Parker, Leonard, Splitter and the bevy of Spurs'ian role players and Pop to address a new challenge for himself as a coach... Parker will stay and the Spurs could even contend again. Heck, maybe Duncan would want to add one more season as a super experienced role player a la The Admiral in 2002/03. Besides, even if that doesn't happen and Parker seeks to leave. Would a winner like him want to play for James Dolan? No way in Gotham hell, I guarantee.

All said in sum, the Spurs have a lot going even in 2015 for Parker to stay put and see a team built around him, Leonard and Splitter. Not the same without Manu & Duncan.. but there is enough talent in both the NBA and among the Spurs thinktank to make alchemy work.

[Kyuui-Musikq]

People here underestimate Parker perhaps because of his Hollywood connection. Parker has been remarkably driven to play only for the Spurs (as long as they contend and compete and keep their nucleus which enabled them to do so), even more than Duncan & Manu, if you ask me. Duncan almost nearly fell for the Orlando lure while Manu hasn't been as coveted as the latter two (that doesn't mean that his value has been any less than Parker over the years, if not more).

Parker could possibly bolt the Spurs when Duncan, Manu *AND* Popovich leave.. but I suspect that Pop, RCB & co. are a bit more visionary than (even) we expect. If RCB pulls a rabbit out of the FA hat in 2013 (Kevin Love?) to pair up with Parker, Leonard, Splitter and the bevy of Spurs'ian role players and Pop to address a new challenge for himself as a coach... Parker will stay and the Spurs could even contend again. Heck, maybe Duncan would want to add one more season as a super experienced role player a la The Admiral in 2002/03. Besides, even if that doesn't happen and Parker seeks to leave. Would a winner like him want to play for James Dolan? No way in Gotham hell, I guarantee.

All said in sum, the Spurs have a lot going even in 2015 for Parker to stay put and see a team built around him, Leonard and Splitter. Not the same without Manu & Duncan.. but there is enough talent in both the NBA and among the Spurs thinktank to make alchemy work.

I can't quote him verbatim, but I now when asked about his plans regarding SA he's always said it depends whether Pop and Tony are still here.

The prospect of playing in New York is something Parker has indulged for a while now, and I personally think he'd revel in the idea of being the key to a potential NY turnaround and in turn, be adored by the community.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I can't quote him verbatim, but I now when asked about his plans regarding SA he's always said it depends whether Pop and Tony are still here.

The prospect of playing in New York is something Parker has indulged for a while now, and I personally think he'd revel in the idea of being the key to a potential NY turnaround and in turn, be adored by the community.

I think that Parker might possibly be swayed if the NY Knicks suddenly develop character and change into a tour-de-force with proper scouting, clever use of the draft, overseas signings, vision, etc. Considering it is owned by a moron who has only money going for him and that it doesn't have a proper draft pick for ages and that it has lacked scouting for some centuries now and that it rarely tends to scout the overseas market for bargains and all that..

Yeah.. I don't see the possibility as to how Parker will play for Dolan's Knicks.

[exstatic]

I can see Parker playing for Brooklyn WAY before I see him playing for the Knicks. The Knicks are just too dysfunctional. Their roster is an expensive hot mess, an they've already traded their 2014 and 2016 first rounders. At age 33, I highly doubt Tony wants to step into that kind of long term rebuilding mess.

By 2015 Garnett and Pierce will be gone, and they have their draft picks between now and then, IIRC.

I honestly don't see either NY team being better than even a post Duncan Spurs squad.

[Chinook]

I can see Parker playing for Brooklyn WAY before I see him playing for the Knicks. The Knicks are just too dysfunctional. Their roster is an expensive hot mess, an they've already traded their 2014 and 2016 first rounders. At age 33, I highly doubt Tony wants to step into that kind of long term rebuilding mess.

By 2015 Garnett and Pierce will be gone, and they have their draft picks between now and then, IIRC.

I honestly don't see either NY team being better than even a post Duncan Spurs squad.

The Nets have literally traded away or agreed to swap every one of their picks for the next five years with the exception of ONE second-rounder. Plus they have Williams for three more years after this one. They will not be in play for Parker.

[Baam]

I feel like Bynum is such a low risk with that contract that it's too bad Tiago becomes eligible for a trade after Bynum's money gets garanteed...

Also gotta wonder what he did, got the Cavs way more angry than when Waiters punched Kyrie in the face, what could he have done to get that reaction seriously??

[DPG21920]

Do you intentionally just say the opposite of what you believe? ^

[bluebellmaniac]

Do you intentionally just say the opposite of what you believe? ^

+1

[Baam]

Do you intentionally just say the opposite of what you believe? ^

About Bynum being low risk on that contract... No... The first year is only garanteed on January 7 and the second on July 10 or something... How does it get any safer than that?

[DPG21920]

About Bynum being low risk on that contract... No... The first year is only garanteed on January 7 and the second on July 10 or something... How does it get any safer than that?

He's guaranteed at least 6M. To pay 6M to a guy who has the potential to not only physical crumble, but ruin a locker room is a gigantic risk. Not only that, his deadline being on the 7th gives very little time for a team trading for him to evaluate fit before having to eat 12M.

[Baam]

Cojo + Mills + 2014 first for Greivis Vasquez

Spurs need to rest TP while still hunting for fist seed so in my book it's worth the rental, especially since Vasquez would be a fan favorite and an upgrade defensively at 6"6. Mills doesn't work against Reggie Jackson, he's having a great season but it feels like he's carried by the only two players that came back better this year in Manu and Boris... Cojo goes to Canada where he's gonna be a fan favorite backing up Lowry.

Then something like Splitter + Bonner for Boozer + Snell or a 3 teams trade if the Bulls don't want Tiago


Duncan Boozer
Diaw M.Thomas
Kawhi Snell
Green Manu/Marco
TP Vasquez

Gets more length for perimeter defense with Vasquez and Snell and better low post scoring. Ridiculously complicated with too many players involved but that would basically be my ideal scenario.