Official Trade/Signing Ideas Thread

[elemento]

Can anyone refresh my memory: we traded rights to Dragic for rights to Malik Hairston and a pick that would become DeJuan Blair?

SA never had the rights of Dragic.

In that draft, San Antonio's first options were Batum and Hill. Portland (with the help of Fat Morey) got Batum with the 25th pick and SA had to reach a bit to get Hill with the 26th pick. (Hill was a 2nd round pick in most mocks even though he was rising because of some great workouts prior to the draft).
With a PG already, SA wanted to draft a swingman with the 2nd round pick. SA had the the 45th pick and PHX had the 48th pick. PHX was afraid that Dragic would be taken before their pick, so they had a deal with SA sending the 48th pick and next year's 2nd round pick (37th pick which ended up Dejuan Blair) for the 45th pick.

Even though a lot of people credit SA for Dragic's pick, he was never San Antonio's choice, PHX chose him.

[DapDaGenius]

Is Shannon Brown still on a 10 contract?

[elemento]

Considering Brown played like 10 seconds last night, I doubt he gets another 10-day contract. He sucks and he is not what SA needs.

[heyheymymy]

SA never had the rights of Dragic.

In that draft, San Antonio's first options were Batum and Hill. Portland (with the help of Fat Morey) got Batum with the 25th pick and SA had to reach a bit to get Hill with the 26th pick. (Hill was a 2nd round pick in most mocks even though he was rising because of some great workouts prior to the draft).
With a PG already, SA wanted to draft a swingman with the 2nd round pick. SA had the the 45th pick and PHX had the 48th pick. PHX was afraid that Dragic would be taken before their pick, so they had a deal with SA sending the 48th pick and next year's 2nd round pick (37th pick which ended up Dejuan Blair) for the 45th pick.

Even though a lot of people credit SA for Dragic's pick, he was never San Antonio's choice, PHX chose him.


nice breakdown, you're right.

[td4mvp2k]

SA never had the rights of Dragic. In that draft, San Antonio's first options were Batum and Hill. Portland (with the help of Fat Morey) got Batum with the 25th pick and SA had to reach a bit to get Hill with the 26th pick. (Hill was a 2nd round pick in most mocks even though he was rising because of some great workouts prior to the draft). With a PG already, SA wanted to draft a swingman with the 2nd round pick. SA had the the 45th pick and PHX had the 48th pick. PHX was afraid that Dragic would be taken before their pick, so they had a deal with SA sending the 48th pick and next year's 2nd round pick (37th pick which ended up Dejuan Blair) for the 45th pick. Even though a lot of people credit SA for Dragic's pick, he was never San Antonio's choice, PHX chose him.+1

[cjw]

Looks like Deng is complaining his way out of Cleveland (maybe Bynum had a point after all?). The Kings 1st round pick they traded away to the Bulls will never be a top 10 pick based on protections, and if the Kings are bottom third for the next few years (definitely possible), that pick turns into a second. At this point, they may take our late first.

[cd021]

Looks like Deng is complaining his way out of Cleveland (maybe Bynum had a point after all?). The Kings 1st round pick they traded away to the Bulls will never be a top 10 pick based on protections, and if the Kings are bottom third for the next few years (definitely possible), that pick turns into a second. At this point, they may take our late first.

Too bad. Deng can't be traded again. He would be out of our range in the off season as well.
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[cd021]

So you want to trade two guys who are rotation players (if Mills is one of them) for two guys who may struggle to crack the rotation period? I don't care that both guys we'd get were lottery picks - neither has shown anything showing they were worthy of it. You just don't make a trade like that mid-season when you're a contender.

Not saying it wouldn't look out in the long run, and they are likely looking for a much different package if they were to give up Porter, but just hard to get my head around given the situation.

You must not have watched Vessley play very much. He is capable of being a rotation player. An athletic & long 7'0 who runs the floor very well, plays hard. Overall a very good hustle player. In retro, a 6th pick on him was a bad pick but if he were taken 18-25 it wold be a different story.

Also His playing time has been sporadic with players like Okafor (last season), Gortat, Nene' all taking big minutes ahead of him, not to mention Seraphin and Booker having more experience and Washington playing for the playoffs. I'd love to see the Spurs sign him in the off season.

I wouldn't move Beli and Mills though. It would have to be one or the other. Porter was brought into be the SF. Ariza and Webster are ahead of him and both are playing great. Its hard for a lotto pick to impress as a 3rd stringer.

[BatManu20]

I'd rather trade for Taj Gibson then Evan Turner. He doesn't fit our system. He's ball-dominant and is a poor outside shooter. He's also a pretty poor defender. I'm sure he'd be better in our offense, but he's not what we need. We need an athletic SF who can D up and/or an athletic PF who can rebound and block shots.

[Mel_13]

Too bad. Deng can't be traded again. He would be out of our range in the off season as well.
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He can't be traded back to the Bulls and he can't be packaged with other players. Otherwise, he can be traded to the other 28 teams in the NBA before the trade deadline.

[Chinook]

He can't be traded back to the Bulls and he can't be packaged with other players. Otherwise, he can be traded to the other 28 teams in the NBA before the trade deadline.

I was going to say that. And he can even be packaged with other players if the trade can be technically broken down into multiple smaller trades.

[cd021]

He can't be traded back to the Bulls and he can't be packaged with other players. Otherwise, he can be traded to the other 28 teams in the NBA before the trade deadline.

I though he was traded after that deadline. I didn't realize he could still be traded again this season.

[BatManu20]

Taj Gibson should be priority #1 imo. Deng would be nice. Turner is not happening imo.

[Chinook]

I though he was traded after that deadline. I didn't realize he could still be traded again this season.

There is no such deadline besides the trade deadline. There's two-month no-packaging period, which Deng is still in.

[DPG21920]

I don't see CHI trading Gibson at all. They are trying to win both now and in future and Taj is a part of that. While I like Taj just fine, I don't really think he is worth his contract. With his recent numbers on a bad team where he gets to take way more shots, his numbers look really good, but I question his actual on court impact.

To me, unless he continues to develop, is just an average player. Again, if it didn't take much to get him, sure, but I am not really high on Taj.

[cd021]

There is no such deadline besides the trade deadline. There's two-month no-packaging period, which Deng is still in.

What was the talk about the Rockets moving Osik prior to a date, so they could trade the players they receive before the deadline. Is that the period your talking about?

[Chinook]

What was the talk about the Rockets moving Osik prior to a date, so they could trade the players they receive before the deadline. Is that the period your talking about?

They wanted to be able to package whomever they got for Asik before the deadline. They could have traded these players by themselves immediately. Essentially, it's harder to trade them for 60 days, but not impossible.

[cd021]

A. Afflalo, T. Ariza, C. Singleton, G. Davis, R. Evans, P. Gasol, T. Gibson, C. Landry, G. Monroe, A. Rivers, T. Sefolosha and G. Vasquez.-Jared Zwerling


That was a list of players he had heard were mentioned in trade talks he place in his tweet (I've been on ST a year & 1/2 and i still can't embed a tweet)

http://www.welcometoloudcity.com/2014/2/7/5387944/thabo-sefolosha-oklahoma-city-thunder-trade-deadline

The most interesting is the OKC is apparently shopping Sef. (who is a free agent after this season)

[cd021]

http://www.celticsblog.com/2014/2/9/5395850/nba-trade-rumor-hawks-want-jeff-green

Hawks rumored to be interested in Jeff Green. According to article Celtics interested in Carrol among others. Maybe the Spurs could get in on the deal if the rumor is even true.

[DPG21920]

For me, the dream trade that is even remotely feasible (although still highly unlikely with Spurs available assets): Amir + Lowry for 1st round pick + outgoing salary not including Tim/TP/Manu/Kawhi/Boris/Green/Tiago.

[elemento]

So you want Lowry AND Amir for our late 1st round pick + any of our scrubs :lol

I doubt TOR would trade Amir or Lowry alone for that package.

[Chinook]

For me, the dream trade that is even remotely feasible (although still highly unlikely with Spurs available assets): Amir + Lowry for 1st round pick + outgoing salary not including Tim/TP/Manu/Kawhi/Boris/Green/Tiago.

Losing Beli and not getting a small-forward would not sit well me. I don't like the idea of playing Diaw at the three or Lowery at the two. I'd like to see Johnson in, but really in a case where either Splitter or Diaw is traded. That is unless I knew Indiana awaited in the Finals.

Give me Chandler as my dream trade.

[DPG21920]

So you want Lowry AND Amir for our late 1st round pick + any of our scrubs :lol

I doubt TOR would trade Amir or Lowry alone for that package.

Well, Lowry is not in their plans it appears. They have been shopping him asking for a first round pick which they have been unable to get, even when there are desperate teams (NY for example) that need a PG. With Lowry being a rental essentially, it doesn't seem like teams are willing to give a first for him.

In the right situation, I definitely think they could get a first rounder for each of Lowry and Amir, but it seems difficult on the Lowry end. Maybe putting them in the same package could net them that pick and it seems like cap space is important to them as well.

[elemento]

When you look at team salaries going forward, SAC looks like a very good partner. They have 67m in guaranteed contracts next season (assuming Gay opts in) and they probably wanna keep Isaiah Thomas around without paying lux taxes.

They simply have too much money attached on PFs. One of Williams, Thompson or Landry has to go. And I am pretty sure the asking price wouldn't be high. Williams is my favorite here because he can play the 3 in stretches, his contract is cheaper and he is still young. Still, any of those players could help SA some way.

Chandler is one of my favorites as well, but I don't see Denver moving him with Gallo injured. He is their starting SF right now.

As for Turner, I don't like him tbh. Still, he is better than Jeffers or Brown. Depending on the asking price, I would not be against it.

[cjw]

Too bad. Deng can't be traded again. He would be out of our range in the off season as well.
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Yeah, forgot that it happened after the December 15th-ish timeframe. No way in hell Cleveland buys him out either given they might get something for him in a S+T. No way we can afford him with limited cap space this offseason and don't think I want to sign up for someone long-term who will be 30 by the time next year's playoffs roll around. Someone should break the news to Deng too that he can't whine his way out of this one.


Also see what you're saying on Vesely. Would not deal both for those two (can't rock the boat that much), but either / or plus a first would be a steal. I assume even though he wasn't extended the team option, would his bird rights come along to any team?

His shooting is atrocious - no range and can't hit FTs - but maybe something that can be fixed with time.

[elemento]

Well, Lowry is not in their plans it appears. They have been shopping him asking for a first round pick which they have been unable to get, even when there are desperate teams (NY for example) that need a PG. With Lowry being a rental essentially, it doesn't seem like teams are willing to give a first for him.

In the right situation, I definitely think they could get a first rounder for each of Lowry and Amir, but it seems difficult on the Lowry end. Maybe putting them in the same package could net them that pick and it seems like cap space is important to them as well.

I am not so sure that Lowry is not in their plans. Toronto was trying to trade him earlier this season (when his value was not so high) but TOR began to play better, Lowry started to play better and they have the 3rd best record in the East with Lowry starting (not as strong as the West, but still a playoff team with a winning record).

16.6ppg/7.4apg/4.4rpg @ 57%TS/39% from deep and PER of 20 is pretty solid for a starting PG. Right now, teams would be willing to give up a late first round pick for Lowry even if they're unsure about keeping him. I'd say that TOR would be the side saying no.

If a player is productive, he is worth a 1st round pick. SA spent a first pick on Kurt Thomas, who was 36 at the time. Houston got the 18th pick in the 2012 draft (Terrence Jones) for Chase Budinger, a backup SF with an expiring contract putting 9ppg/4rpg. Don't even have to mention Gerald Wallace here.

To me a trade with Toronto is too complicated simply because they're winning and Lowry and Amir are starters. They have no reason to trade them for late picks , questionable prospects or scrubs right now.

I'd love to have both btw, but it's not happening. Not for what SA is willing to give up.

[BatManu20]

Just tuned into the Clippers-Sixers game to watch Turner and Young in action.

The score is 52-15 Clippers... with 10 min left in the 2nd quarter... Safe to say the Sixers are in full tank mode. And the Clips are on pace to put up almost 200 pts.

[elemento]

LAC 62-21 PHI and Philly is 6 of 40 from the floor. This is embarrassing !

[Ice009]

WTF happened in that game? Wow, they are getting smashed.

[spurs10]

Just tuned into the Clippers-Sixers game to watch Turner and Young in action.

The score is 52-15 Clippers... with 10 min left in the 2nd quarter... Safe to say the Sixers are in full tank mode. And the Clips are on pace to put up almost 200 pts. 200-34 :lol

[BatManu20]

Clippers lead 70-30 at halftime.. this Sixers team is awful. And furthermore, Evan Turner's shot is ugly. He attempted two 3's (bricked both, one barely hit the side of the rim). Bad form on his shot. Much rather have Thaddeus Young, who plays hard on D and is a good offensive rebounder.

But I think either player would welcome a trade to a team like the Spurs after playing for a team this bad for so long tbh. This team is embarrassing.

Sixers: 8-52 FG in the 1st half (15%), including 1-15 from 3 (7%).

[BatManu20]

Just give us Thaddeus Young tbh.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgFcbtRCYAEubbA.jpg

[DapDaGenius]

Just give us Thaddeus Young tbh.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgFcbtRCYAEubbA.jpg

We can only hope.

[cd021]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/2/8/5392608/nba-trade-rumors-pistons-josh-smith

Pistons apparently looking to dump Josh Smith.

If the Spurs look to do in that direction, they'd have the expiring contracts to free up the books for Detroit.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o9vzrgf

Pistons Get
Belinelli
Ayers
De Colo
Bonner

Spurs Get
Smith
Silva (PG)
Harrellson (PF)

Pistons-They're big lineup has failed miserably. This would save them $37.31 million over the next 3 seasons. Detroit would save 9.3 million next season.

Spurs-Get Smith, a talented combo forward. He struggles with shot selection (a chucker from 3 and a poor shooter from their as well). As a small forward he can't space the floor as well but is capable of guarding opposing SFs.

As a PF he is long and athletic and could be useful in defending stretch forwards. Also would allow the Spurs to bring both Diaw and Splitter off the bench along with Manu and Mills/Joseph and either Green or Leonard.

Would tie up the Spurs books next season. The Spurs would have $58 million to 7 players next season with Mills and Diaw UFAs. But after that his contract would have minimal impact.

[Chinook]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/2/8/5392608/nba-trade-rumors-pistons-josh-smith

Pistons apparently looking to dump Josh Smith.

If the Spurs look to do in that direction, they'd have the expiring contracts to free up the books for Detroit.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o9vzrgf

Pistons Get
Belinelli
Ayers
De Colo
Bonner

Spurs Get
Smith
Silva (PG)
Harrellson (PF)

Pistons-They're big lineup has failed miserably. This would save them $37.31 million over the next 3 seasons. Detroit would save 9.3 million next season.

Spurs-Get Smith, a talented combo forward. He struggles with shot selection (a chucker from 3 and a poor shooter from their as well). As a small forward he can't space the floor as well but is capable of guarding opposing SFs.

As a PF he is long and athletic and could be useful in defending stretch forwards. Also would allow the Spurs to bring both Diaw and Splitter off the bench along with Manu and Mills/Joseph and either Green or Leonard.

Would tie up the Spurs books next season. The Spurs would have $58 million to 7 players next season with Mills and Diaw UFAs. But after that his contract would have minimal impact.

I'd probably be okay with this deal. I think Smith is better than any PF the team is likely to get in 2015. Re-signing Mills and Diaw is a lot easier of a decision with Smith on board. The tax line is probably going to be near $75 Million. That's plenty to sign draft picks amd even bring in an MLE guard to replace Beli/Ginobili eventually.

[cd021]

Duplicate post.

[cd021]

I'd probably be okay with this deal. I think Smith is better than any PF the team is likely to get in 2015. Re-signing Mills and Diaw is a lot easier of a decision with Smith on board. The tax line is probably going to be near $75 Million. That's plenty to sign draft picks amd even bring in an MLE guard to replace Beli/Ginobili eventually.

Would Diaw and Mills qualify for Early bird or Bird rights? Both were acquired 2 plus seasons ago but both were signed late in the 11-12 season.

[Chinook]

Would Diaw and Mills qualify for Early bird or Bird rights? Both were acquired 2 plus seasons ago but both were signed late in the 11-12 season.

Full Bird. Although Early Bird would probably be enough to re-sign them anyway.

[szkorhetz]

I'd probably be okay with this deal. I think Smith is better than any PF the team is likely to get in 2015. Re-signing Mills and Diaw is a lot easier of a decision with Smith on board. The tax line is probably going to be near $75 Million. That's plenty to sign draft picks amd even bring in an MLE guard to replace Beli/Ginobili eventually.

I would HATE to lose Belli, but bringing in Smith could easily worth it and this could possibly bring Danny's self confidence back.
We would be very thin at SG, tho. Raja Bell for the minimum could work or even trading Baynes and CoJo for Neal

[Spursfanfromafar]

Josh Smith is a black hole on offense and while his individual defensive metrics read fine, there is nothing called "system player" written anything about him. Only a fool would believe that Popovich and RCB will ever seek to get Josh Smith that too on a max contract to the Spurs.

[Baam]

I'm not sure I'd trade for Smith, if he was that easy to get probably... I don't think he fits well with Tim and Tiago compared to some of the other 4 on the block.

[Seventyniner]

I remember all the speculation about trading for Josh Smith last season. Of course, the rub then was that he would just be a rental, now he has a contract that would have to be dumped should he not be a good fit.

If Duncan's jumper is on, Smith fits well enough into the starting lineup. He's a bad shooter but is pretty good in the paint. A big frontcourt lineup of Duncan/Diaw/Smith is especially interesting because Diaw and Duncan (hopefully) provide enough spacing and the Spurs could post up Diaw or Smith, whoever is being guarded by the opposing SF.

I would be worried about an odd-man-out situation, though; I'm not sure you want to play 4 bigs in the playoffs.

[cd021]

I would HATE to lose Belli, but bringing in Smith could easily worth it and this could possibly bring Danny's self confidence back.
We would be very thin at SG, tho. Raja Bell for the minimum could work or even trading Baynes and CoJo for Neal

Beli has cooled off after a hot start. His trade vaule may still be pretty good considering his short and cheap contract. He is still one of the best 3pt shooters in the NBA. He isn't likely to play a big role in the post season unless our roster changes a bit. I think he will have to compete with Mills & Joseph (both would essentially be playing the same position as Beli off the bench with Manu running point)

[szkorhetz]

I remember all the speculation about trading for Josh Smith last season. Of course, the rub then was that he would just be a rental, now he has a contract that would have to be dumped should he not be a good fit.

If Duncan's jumper is on, Smith fits well enough into the starting lineup. He's a bad shooter but is pretty good in the paint. A big frontcourt lineup of Duncan/Diaw/Smith is especially interesting because Diaw and Duncan (hopefully) provide enough spacing and the Spurs could post up Diaw or Smith, whoever is being guarded by the opposing SF.

I would be worried about an odd-man-out situation, though; I'm not sure you want to play 4 bigs in the playoffs.
As we don't have a backup SF, and both Diaw and Smith capable of playing the three, this would not be an odd-man out, TBH.

[Bruno]

Josh Smith is paid $13.5M per year until 2017.

Given his contract, I don't see Spurs having even a remote interest in him. Joe Dumars has gone from one of the best GM to one of the worst. His track record for the past 5 years is atrocious and the huge contract he gave to Smith is a part of it.

[Chinook]

Smith isn't my favorite target by any means. I'd even prefer Thad Young over him. But his contract isn't really that bad if he plays at the four. He adds much-needed athleticism to the front court.

I don't see why the Spurs should try to protect their future cap space. They won't sign anyone better than Smith in the 2015 free agency. May as well get the PF they'll be seeking then and give him two years in the system.

But yes, I don't see the Spurs wanting him.

[szkorhetz]

Josh Smith is paid $13.5M per year until 2017.

Given his contract, I don't see Spurs having even a remote interest in him. Joe Dumars has gone from one of the best GM to one of the worst. His track record for the past 5 years is atrocious and the huge contract he gave to Smith is a part of it.
He is a bad contract but Splitter is worth 10 millions? Come on, man.

[TheGoldStandard]

He is a bad contract but Splitter is worth 10 millions? Come on, man.

Splitter is the savior. He brings the paper mache goods.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Splitter is a good mobile center who excels defensively and is a good fit with an aging Duncan. He is very good at team defense and is a great fit within the Spurs system. His issues include injury-proneness, but last season he was very consistent in staying fit and on court.

Smith is an overpaid, overzealous jump shooter who has extremely bad habits, a very poor shot chart, has questionable attitude, terrible free throw percentage and is more of a showboat on individual defense. Since when did the Spurs recruit a player like him in the Duncan era?

There are a number of FAs whom the Spurs could target in 2015. Starting with someone like Kevin Love, who could be so win-starved to give the Spurs atleast a thought. He would also be a good fit with Splitter (and Leonard) in the frontcourt with his spacing abilities. There is no given the Love would opt for the Spurs and he has his own disadvantages (shortish, no shot blocking ability, average on defense and so on), but he fits much more better than someone like Smith.

The Spurs could go different directions and work toward contention - tank a season or rebuild on the fly with Parker, Leonard & Splitter if they carefully preserve their 2015 cap space strategy. Unless they get a slam dunk FA out of nowhere (and it is possible), they shouldn't try anything stupid like hiring the likes of Smith.

Thad Young, OTOH would be interesting. He has an ETO in 2015 (which he might exercise to cash in more) and is a much better fit to the Spurs system because of better perimeter defense as well.

[Baam]

Isn't betting on Free Agency the dumb option for the Spurs tho? A small market team with a 32 years old second banana... Who are we kidding? The top players don't sign with small markets...

Perserving cap space is nice and all but if Love goes to LA like he's already talking about then what?

Also Splitter was a good fit with an aging Duncan, it doesn't seem quite as good this year...

[Chinook]

Isn't betting on Free Agency the dumb option for the Spurs tho? A small market team with a 32 years old second banana... Who are we kidding? The top players don't sign with small markets...

Perserving cap space is nice and all but if Love goes to LA like he's already talking about then what?

Also Splitter was a good fit with an aging Duncan, it doesn't seem quite as good this year...

We saw the same thing with Jack's contract last year. People put too much faith in cap space. The team should target their future PF now, especially if he can be had for scraps. I'd trade non-essentials for Smith. I'd prefer Chandler or Young, but if only Smith can be had, so be it.

It would relieve so much pressure on the front office to get a deal done ASAP. Thay way, they can keep the rest of the team together instead of not re-signing Mills or Diaw next off-season or Green the one after that. Also, they'd be able to re-sign Tim/Manu in 2015 if either wanted to play longer. As of now, they'd have to choice between missing out on a big FA or closing the door on their legends.

[ABC]

Most of the players that have been discussed aren't worth their contracts (Smith especially). That's the only reason the Spurs have a chance to get them for peanuts. The Spurs should put the best team together now, regardless of finances. After this year and next it might be a long time before they have a chance at a championship.

[Spursfanfromafar]

"32 year old second banana"...

The team went to the NBA finals with a 36 year old second banana last season.

The Spurs' best bet is to do what they have done in all of Duncan's era - steadfastly build a system and fit pieces to it instead of simply buying a star for the sake of it. Josh Smith clearly doesn't fit the bill. Young, perhaps.

The Spurs can still repeat 2013 in 2014 if it enhances its bench a bit more. The possibility is still there through Bonner's/ Ayres'/ De Colo's contracts. There is no need to go ballistic and try the likes of inefficient shot jackers like Smith in order to build a surefire contender.

[Chinook]

Most of the players that have been discussed aren't worth their contracts (Smith especially). That's the only reason the Spurs have a chance to get them for peanuts. The Spurs should put the best team together now, regardless of finances. After this year and next it might be a long time before they have a chance at a championship.

Exactly, and it's not like they won't have to overpay for a free agent in 2015. Instead of having $10 Million to build around Parker, Leonard, Green, Diaw and Splitter, they could have $7 Million to build around all of those guys AND Smith.

[Chinook]

"32 year old second banana"...

The team went to the NBA finals with a 36 year old second banana last season.

The Spurs' best bet is to do what they have done in all of Duncan's era - steadfastly build a system and fit pieces to it instead of simply buying a star for the sake of it. Josh Smith clearly doesn't fit the bill. Young, perhaps.

The Spurs can still repeat 2013 in 2014 if it enhances its bench a bit more. The possibility is still there through Bonner's/ Ayres'/ De Colo's contracts. There is no need to go ballistic and try the likes of inefficient shot jackers like Smith in order to build a surefire contender.

The Spurs made it to the Finals on the backs of all the top six. That's the group that has to stay together for the team to repeat 2013. It will take a group that strong to keep the window open past 2014. That won't happen if they chase a max FA.

The Spurs built their window by drafting three HoFers. I wouldn't assume that's repeatable any time soon. The Spurs will either have to tank or overpay to stay relevant. Both approaches have their ups and downs, but I'd go with the latter. They can always blow it up, they can't always put it back together.

[yavozerb]

Never been a fan of smith and too be honest cannot see the pistons move Smith for "peanuts". The spurs need someone can play down low with there back to the basket. I would rather the spurs throw some $ at monroe than go after smith.

[Chinook]

Never been a fan of smith and too be honest cannot see the pistons move Smith for "peanuts". The spurs need someone can play down low with there back to the basket. I would rather the spurs throw some $ at monroe than go after smith.

I'd normally be fine with it, but he's a true center. He doesn't fit with either Duncan or Splitter. At least Smith can pretend to guard the three as well as run with the fast-paced second unit.

[Robz4000]

Starting to second-guess my opinion on Splitter tbh. Can they trade him for Lebron?

[cd021]

Josh Smith is paid $13.5M per year until 2017.

Given his contract, I don't see Spurs having even a remote interest in him. Joe Dumars has gone from one of the best GM to one of the worst. His track record for the past 5 years is atrocious and the huge contract he gave to Smith is a part of it.

Next season is the only time when his contract would be somewhat constricting. After that his contract isn't going to be much of an issue. If the Spurs for some reason did have an interest in him, I'd believe that deal above would be the to get it done + the Spurs should be able to keep their 1st rounder.

[cd021]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2014/2/10/5398220/nba-trade-rumors-wizards-searching-for-backup-point-guard-according

Wizards looking for backup PG...

[Spursfanfromafar]

The Spurs made it to the Finals on the backs of all the top six. That's the group that has to stay together for the team to repeat 2013. It will take a group that strong to keep the window open past 2014. That won't happen if they chase a max FA.

The Spurs built their window by drafting three HoFers. I wouldn't assume that's repeatable any time soon. The Spurs will either have to tank or overpay to stay relevant. Both approaches have their ups and downs, but I'd go with the latter. They can always blow it up, they can't always put it back together.

Once Manu & Tim retire/ take a much reduced package in their "real" twilight years post 2015 (Duncan more likely than Manu), there would definitely be enough space to squeeze in Parker, Splitter, Leonard, Green alongwith a very good FA who earns near max money. I suppose that is one of the options the Spurs are considering for their post-Duncan project, even as the more likely option of blowing it all up and get the draft route is still available.

Even if your point of keeping a larger core with another decent FA is well considered, Josh Smith is certainly not the answer (and not just because of his erratic and pathetic play at SF/PF over the past two years, for which he doesn't deserve the contract he got]. That is because he will be earning near-max money in 2015 ($13.5 million). Instead, the Spurs could pitch the same salary numbers (cascading and increasing as years move on) to someone like Love, who is a much better fit. By mortgaging its future by tying up with Smith till 2017, the Spurs eliminate any chance of putting together a better core that you argue for. It is senseless, stupid and completely out of character with the most successful franchise in professional sports in the US since 1997.

[pad300]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2014/2/10/5398220/nba-trade-rumors-wizards-searching-for-backup-point-guard-according

Wizards looking for backup PG...

I see a convergence of interests

WAS has 3 SF's Ariza (expiring contract, 29 next season), Webster (Under contract (good contract) until 2016, 27 next season), and Otto Porter (last years lottery pick, 3ed overall, under contract until 2016, currently quite a bad player).

SAS has multiple back up level PGs - Cory Joseph, Nando de Colo. SAS would like a backup 3...

Depending on which SF WAS is willing to move

Ariza, WAS 2nd for either of (Nando de Colo) or (Cory Joseph and Aaron Baynes), and Bonner, SAS 1st,
*Baynes needs to be in for Salary Filler

Webster for either of (Nando de Colo) or (Cory Joseph) and Bonner, SAS 1st

Otto Porter, WAS 2nd for either of (Nando de Colo) or (Cory Joseph) and Bonner, SAS First


Ariza is the best player, and the least likely to fit in WAS long term plans - he could leave this summer. SAS wants the WAS 2nd back because he's a 1/2 season rental.

Webster gets a first out of SAS without a 2nd back because he's on a good long term contract.

Porter does not look good now, but I am unsure if WAS management is willing to give up on last years lottery pick...


For the Spurs, my preference would be Ariza

[Robz4000]

Porter's a bust imo. Don't want the Sours giving up their first and Bonner's expiring for him. The other two could be interesting.

[Bruno]

Teams in win now mode won't certainly give up one of their key player for a Spurs deep end of the bench player and a very late first round pick.

Before looking at possible trades, you had to look at the state of the other team. Teams that aren't in rebuilding/reloading mode aren't good trade partners for Spurs.

[Baam]

The Wizards are in full win now mode, they traded a first to get Gortat, they're not giving up Ariza for picks/scrubs.

Edit : beaten to the punch

[ABC]

Exactly, and it's not like they won't have to overpay for a free agent in 2015. Instead of having $10 Million to build around Parker, Leonard, Green, Diaw and Splitter, they could have $7 Million to build around all of those guys AND Smith.

I'm with you in terms of being open to getting a player now instead of hoping a star-level free agent chooses the Spurs in 2015. San Antonio hasn't had much luck drawing free agents. Still, Smith has some problems and I don't see any way around giving up Diaw for him. Diaw's been a good fit. Would the Spurs be better with Smith, but without Bonner, Diaw and 1-2 other players? Probably. Still, it'd be nice if a less risky trade could be made.

[look_at_g_shred]

Nothing is going to happen.

[cd021]

Porter's a bust imo. Don't want the Sours giving up their first and Bonner's expiring for him. The other two could be interesting.

A bit premature. 3rd in rotation on a team trying to make the postseason for the first time in about 1/2 a decade. Its not even All star break. Bennett is fair game though.

[Chinook]

I'm with you in terms of being open to getting a player now instead of hoping a star-level free agent chooses the Spurs in 2015. San Antonio hasn't had much luck drawing free agents. Still, Smith has some problems and I don't see any way around giving up Diaw for him. Diaw's been a good fit. Would the Spurs be better with Smith, but without Bonner, Diaw and 1-2 other players? Probably. Still, it'd be nice if a less risky trade could be made.

The trade had Beli going out instead of Diaw.

[Robz4000]

A bit premature. 3rd in rotation on a team trying to make the postseason for the first time in about 1/2 a decade. Its not even All star break. Bennett is fair game though.

Was never all that high on him coming into the draft and he's done nothing to change my opinion.

[Chinook]

Once Manu & Tim retire/ take a much reduced package in their "real" twilight years post 2015 (Duncan more likely than Manu), there would definitely be enough space to squeeze in Parker, Splitter, Leonard, Green alongwith a very good FA who earns near max money. I suppose that is one of the options the Spurs are considering for their post-Duncan project, even as the more likely option of blowing it all up and get the draft route is still available.

Even if your point of keeping a larger core with another decent FA is well considered, Josh Smith is certainly not the answer (and not just because of his erratic and pathetic play at SF/PF over the past two years, for which he doesn't deserve the contract he got]. That is because he will be earning near-max money in 2015 ($13.5 million). Instead, the Spurs could pitch the same salary numbers (cascading and increasing as years move on) to someone like Love, who is a much better fit. By mortgaging its future by tying up with Smith till 2017, the Spurs eliminate any chance of putting together a better core that you argue for. It is senseless, stupid and completely out of character with the most successful franchise in professional sports in the US since 1997.

I think you're overestimating the amount of cap space the Spurs will have to work with in 2015. Conservatively, they'll have around $13 Million if everyone takes less and the Spurs backup PG is on a rookie deal (meaning no Mills or Joseph). That also doesn't count Duncan or Ginobili making more than the minimum/room exception. There is a real possibility Parker or Green walk in the chaos.

Contrast that with having the FA target already on the the roster this season. Parker would get an extension this summer. Mills would stay, and so could Diaw and Green the next year. And the team can bring in their picks instead of stashing them. Plus, they'd still have the MLE, LLE and Manu's and Tim's Bird rights. Much better.

I'm sympathetic to the idea that Smith isn't a good fit for the roster. But it's disingenuous in my opinion to say the Spurs' strategy is futureproof just because it's been successful in the Duncan era. By and large, it hasn't been any more successful than you would expect from having three HoFers for the last decade. It took years to finally find a championship supporting cast. Sure, being a small market had something to do with it, but so has the general aversion to attacking their problems with talent. It's not even about money, since the Medium Three and Diaw made as much as Manu did last year. It's about them being too concerned about keeping character and waiting until they have no leverage to go all in.

Also, Smith is not making near the max. He's anywhere from $3 to 7 Million short of it. He's making significantly less than Love would make on a max deal ($17.7 Million starting out) so would make. It doesn't make sense to say to just give Love Smith's money.

[pad300]

Teams in win now mode won't certainly give up one of their key player for a Spurs deep end of the bench player and a very late first round pick.

Before looking at possible trades, you had to look at the state of the other team. Teams that aren't in rebuilding/reloading mode aren't good trade partners for Spurs.

You think the Wizards are in "win now mode"? If so, it sucks to be them, because there isn't enough talent there to win anything... IMO of course. I also suspect that they will have trouble retaining Ariza this summer. He's had rings and made money ($44 Million to date). He's a relatively respected veteran - second tier teams will be in for him. If he wants a chance to ring, he's leaving. And there will be money around from teams that loses the Melo chase...

[ABC]

The trade had Beli going out instead of Diaw.

I missed it. Thanks. I definitely like the trade better with Belinelli than with Diaw. That's a lot of shooting going out though. Better hope Green and Mills are on in the playoffs and Kawhi has a shooting resurgence.

[Bruno]

You think the Wizards are in "win now mode"?

They obviously are. Just look at their last moves and where they are on the standings.

[timtonymanu]

The Wizards are a 3rd seed team at best and would actually be a tough matchup for the Pacers and Heat in the playoffs. I doubt they take Cory or Nando. They would obviously want Patty if they need a backup PG.

[Chinook]

The Wizards are a 3rd seed team at best and would actually be a tough matchup for the Pacers and Heat in the playoffs. I doubt they take Cory or Nando. They would obviously want Patty if they need a backup PG.

Thinking more Jameer Nelson.

[Bruno]

A trade that might happen with Washington is De Colo and Baynes for Vesely or De Colo for Singleton. That's the best realistic options.

[TD 21]

Josh Smith is a black hole on offense and while his individual defensive metrics read fine, there is nothing called "system player" written anything about him. Only a fool would believe that Popovich and RCB will ever seek to get Josh Smith that too on a max contract to the Spurs.

Good points, but I agree with the sentiment of Chinook. The idea that acquiring a significant player, on a long term contract, should be a non-starter, is nonsense. The notion that they'll be able to sign a player better than Smith is beyond foolish. Barring a re-build (which is unlikely), the only chance they'll have to acquire said player, is if they buy low on one of them.

Turner's obviously not as good, but that's the point I was making with him yesterday. If they want to remain as competitive as possible post Duncan/Ginobili, they're going to have to be realistic and take a chance on someone like that.

[Spurs da champs]

A trade that might happen with Washington is De Colo and Baynes for Vesely or De Colo for Singleton. That's the best realistic options.

Singleton was noted for his defense coming into the league, that coupled with his size makes him an interesting project, but projects aren't what the Spurs need.

[BatManu20]

If we make a move, it won't be a big one imo. I still think we end up sitting pat. Same shit, different year.

[Chinook]

A trade that might happen with Washington is De Colo and Baynes for Vesely or De Colo for Singleton. That's the best realistic options.I like the thought of Singleton. Competent midrange shooter who can defend as well as you can hope for an end of bench player. He a d Cory can trade off as the third defender.

[elemento]

I like the thought of Singleton. Competent midrange shooter who can defend as well as you can hope for an end of bench player. He a d Cory can trade off as the third defender.

He is indeed a decent defender, but he is not a good midrange shooter.

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=202698&Season=2012-13
http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=202698&Season=2011-12

This season he has better %, but small sample size because of his injuries.

Best case for him is a 3 and D player, like Green. Try to improve his form to shoot corner 3s and take advantage of his size as a defender.

Said that, I wouldn't mind him for Nando.

[Chinook]

He is indeed a decent defender, but he is not a good midrange shooter.

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=202698&Season=2012-13
http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=202698&Season=2011-12

This season he has better %, but small sample size because of his injuries.

Best case for him is a 3 and D player, like Green. Try to improve his form to shoot corner 3s and take advantage of his size as a defender.

Said that, I wouldn't mind him for Nando.

I see that. He looked much better in summer league play (I believe that's where I saw him). Gave me a false impression. Thanks for the info.

I think he's about the best the team can expect to get. They really only need a backup three for spot minutes and foul trouble. I don't know why people think they really need more than that. If healthy, the top seven are about the best group in the league. If they're not, no trade will help.

[TD 21]

He's about the best they can expect to get if all they're willing to give up is crap. If they're willing to actually do right by the big three for once and not be their usual cheap, gun shy selves, then they can do much better.

They don't just need a backup three for spot minutes and foul trouble, they need one who's effectively the fourth big, since they don't have one that's good enough to be in a playoff rotation.

[cd021]

"The Bobcats are looking to shore up their bench depth on the offensive end. Whether at shooting guard or power forward, Rich Cho and company are looking to make moves that fills in holes towards the bottom of the roster. Perhaps they're looking for a legit starting shooting guard who can reliably hit threes (which would be great), but the more likely target is a sharpshooter to come off the bench to help space the floor. And that's fine, assuming they aren't making desperation moves solely for this year's playoffs."

http://www.rufusonfire.com/2014/2/10/5398882/bobcats-emerging-often-trade-whispers-rumors-2014-brandon-bass

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm hating that Belinelli signing more and more every day, tbh:(..

[Sean Cagney]

Nothing is going to happen.

^^^^^^^

[Chinook]

I'm hating that Belinelli signing more and more every day, tbh:(..

Mills playing well really makes Beli expendable. I still think Beli is good enough to get back an asset or be the best player in a package to grab a legitimate combo-forward. On the other hand, Green, Leonard and Manu being out means Beli's not going anywhere.

Indeed, it seems like Beli/Ayres was the worst use of the MLE by a team this season.

[Hoops Czar]

Mills playing well really makes Beli expendable. I still think Beli is good enough to get back an asset or be the best player in a package to grab a legitimate combo-forward. On the other hand, Green, Leonard and Manu being out means Beli's not going anywhere.

Indeed, it seems like Beli/Ayres was the worst use of the MLE by a team this season.

Remember back when he was signed, posters were saying he was going to be Manu's replacement for years to come? Good times.

[Ice009]

I'm hating that Belinelli signing more and more every day, tbh:(..

I said last month that he's started reminding me of Roger Mason Jr's first season here. And now, he's looking even more Masonesque.

Hopefully, he can improve on the defensive end and get his offense going again, but as it stands right now, he's an average player that doesn't make much of an impact towards winning games.

[Chinook]

Remember back when he was signed, posters were saying he was going to be Manu's replacement for years to come? Good times.

I do. I was one of the folks who wasn't happy with the acquisition at all. I know he'll look better on a healthy team, he's definitely making nobody forget about a backup three with the way he's been playing.

[spurs10]

I said last month that he's started reminding me of Roger Mason Jr's first season here. And now, he's looking even more Masonesque.

Hopefully, he can improve on the defensive end and get his offense going again, but as it stands right now, he's an average player that doesn't make much of an impact towards winning games. I believe Beli needs a superior playmaker like Manu to excel. He has looked more like his previous self the last few weeks because he's not getting the looks he does when Manu is playing with the second unit. Those guys, healthy, were the best second unit playing, arguably.

[Bruno]

http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/nba-beat-raptors-lowry-tops-list-of-potential-trade-pieces-021014


The San Antonio Spurs typically aren't major players at the trading deadline, but that could change this season, sources say. The defending Western Conference champions have struggled mightily against the league's elite -- and with age continuing to inhibit the likes of Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili and especially, Tim Duncan, the Spurs could be looking to make a move. None of the aforementioned, of course, are on the block. But forward Kawhi Leonard could be, provided the returns are fabulous.

[ABC]

^ The returns better be pretty fabulous.

[Ice009]

WOW. Now that, I didn't expect.

[ABC]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231884/Marcus-Camby-Expects-Readiness-For-NBA-Return-By-End-Of-February

If the Spurs make a 2-for-1 or 3-for-1 trade, Camby would be a solid deep bench pick up. Can't be relied on for many minutes because of health, but at least those minutes would be better than a D-Leaguer's.

[chrhawk]

http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/nba-beat-raptors-lowry-tops-list-of-potential-trade-pieces-021014

Not sure what the Spurs would be looking for if they are willing to deal Leonard. I doubt it's true though sounds like speculation to me. It doesn't really make sense to deal Leonard when we are already rail thin on the perimeter.

[Spursfanfromafar]

http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/nba-beat-raptors-lowry-tops-list-of-potential-trade-pieces-021014

Sam Amico would be the media's version of Shannon Brown .. When was the last time he broke a correct story?

That said, I would like the Spurs to trade Manu rather than Kawhi, if at all they had plans to break up the main core.

[elemento]

"But forward Kawhi Leonard could be, provided the returns are fabulous."

Typical quote from someone who has no information at all and throw those shit infos in the air to see if someone bites. If nothing happens, SA could not get a good return. If something out of nowhere happens, Amico had the info.

There's no losing situation for him. Sam Amico SUX

[DesignatedT]

Lol stupid

[Chinook]

I'd only trade Leonard for an above-average small-forward and a really good asset. Chandler and NYC's pick or Ariza and Porter. Afflalo and Denver's first.

[ABC]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6425627

:downspin:

[ABC]

The trade deadline is fun because it's silly.

[Bruno]

Not sure what the Spurs would be looking for if they are willing to deal Leonard. I doubt it's true though sounds like speculation to me. It doesn't really make sense to deal Leonard when we are already rail thin on the perimeter.

Yep, the part about Leonard sounds like speculation and that's why I haven't posted it in a new thread.

What is possible though is that Amico has eared that Spurs were active on the trade front. It would confirm what Berger reported few weeks ago.

[szkorhetz]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6425627

:downspin:
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6425665 (http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6425665)


TBH.

[TheGoldStandard]

If Manu comes back and is halfway decent Belli will flourish off the bench. Transition scoring and open shots when the ball gets swung his way.

[Baam]

The possibility of trading Whiwhi is interesting but every time it has been brought up people get mad as hell...

I'd only trade Kawhi is that allowed to reload for the post Duncan era. Meaning lottery pick in 2014 or 2015 + a SF.

People act like Pop didn't trade his "favorite player" in the past because he was a questionable fit long term... Also there's some injury concerns when it comes to Kawhi...

From DX mock draft :


7http://content.draftexpress.com/images/nbalogo/cle.png (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Cavaliers-7/)Noah Vonleh (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Noah-Vonleh-6471/) PF/C
18 years old; 6'10"; 242 lbs.
Indiana (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Indiana-145/), Freshman

8http://content.draftexpress.com/images/nbalogo/lal.png (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Lakers-28/)Aaron Gordon (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Aaron-Gordon-6458/) PF
18 years old; 6'9"; 212 lbs.
Arizona (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Arizona-40/), Freshman

9http://content.draftexpress.com/images/nbalogo/den.png (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Nuggets-21/)
Tyler Ennis (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tyler-Ennis-7144/) PG
19 years old; 6'2"; 180 lbs.Syracuse (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Syracuse-293/), Freshman

10http://content.draftexpress.com/images/nbalogo/cha.png (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Bobcats-12/)
Gary Harris (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gary-Harris-6273/) SG
19 years old; 6'5"; 210 lbs.
Michigan State (http://www.draftexpress.com/clubhouse/Michigan-State-191/), Sophomore


These are the picks I'd trade for, anything less wouldn't be worth it.

If we can get one of Vonleh/Aaron Gordon/Saric who'd be our PF of the future, then trading Kawhi becomes an option.

The Charlotte pick seems like the most gettable, something like MKG + pick for Kawhi + Beli...

[ABC]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6425665 (http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6425665)


TBH.

More realistic, but I wouldn't want the Spurs to do it, tbh.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231888/Sources-Kenneth-Faried-Still-Available-For-Right-Price

I don't think anyone's brought up Faried, though. Without a jump shot he's not a great fit, but he'd be interesting if the "right price" were low enough. He fits with the 2015 plan, if such a thing exists.

[chrhawk]

If Manu comes back and is halfway decent Belli will flourish off the bench. Transition scoring and open shots when the ball gets swung his way.

I don't Ginobili can be relied upon that this point. If he comes back healthy , great. But his hamstrings can go out at any moment now. The Spurs can't afford to have this happen late in a playoff series when they have an opportunity to adress this now.

[loveforthegame]

It would be just like the Spurs to have to trade Leonard to get rid of some combination of Bonner, Baynes, NDC, and Joseph.

[TheGoldStandard]

I don't Ginobili can be relied upon that this point. If he comes back healthy , great. But his hamstrings can go out at any moment now. The Spurs can't afford to have this happen late in a playoff series when they have an opportunity to adress this now.

Of course not, hamstrings just don't get better during a season with a few weeks off especially if it's chronic but spurs rewarded him with cash and didn't plan for an injury. So we are stuck with what we have, nobody is coming in and playing

[Seventyniner]

It would be just like the Spurs to have to trade Leonard to get rid of some combination of Bonner, Baynes, NDC, and Joseph.

Come now. The point of trading Leonard is to get someone better in return. The Spurs don't need to dump any of those 4 players, they're all on expiring deals. They hardly get any playing time when everyone is healthy; you're just seeing a lot of them because of injuries and Pop's proclivity to limit everyone's minutes. It would take injuries, a good matchup (LAL or MEM last year for Bonner and Baynes), foul trouble, or a blowout to see any of those 4 in a playoff game.

[DaBears]

This is not the same team that made it to the finals last yr... As much as i hate to say it, they have as a collective group lost a step... Now injuries of of coarse have played a part in this, but even in the 1st part of the season we still were unable to beat elite teams with all are players healthy.. I don't want to see a trade made just for the sake of making a trade... Spurs need to get longer and a bit more athletic... And the only way i see that happening is for a trade... Now do they have anything of value that other teams can build around, i don't know.. I see things from a spurs fan perspective and think heck yes trade Bonner/DeColo/Joseph for Josh Smith, but what of value would say a team like Detroit see in it.. Does that make them better????????

but i'd like to see a trade made!!!! will t happen... I don't know but it would show us Spurs fans that they are serious about winning..

[timtonymanu]

The Spurs are not trading Kawhi.

[ABC]

http://grantland.com/features/the-nba-swap-meet/

"Salary-based desperation isn’t what it used to be. Expirings like Trevor Ariza, Rodney Stuckey, Charlie Villanueva, Paul Pierce, and Danny Granger aren’t the carrots they once were. Washington and Indiana have been active on this front, per several league sources, but have found little traction so far."

[Chinook]

http://grantland.com/features/the-nba-swap-meet/

"Salary-based desperation isn’t what it used to be. Expirings like Trevor Ariza, Rodney Stuckey, Charlie Villanueva, Paul Pierce, and Danny Granger aren’t the carrots they once were. Washington and Indiana have been active on this front, per several league sources, but have found little traction so far."

I saw that article earlier and forgot to post it. Thanks.

It also said Wilson Chandler and Jason Thompson may be on the block for really cheap in addition to Afflalo. A deal is definitely out there if the Spurs want it.

[cd021]

"I've been hearing since the fall that Kenneth Faried is available. at the right price, and sources across the league maintain that remains true as we approach the deadline. (Denver has consistently denied this.) They should be ready to give away JaVale McGee if they find a taker, and the Nuggets have a lot of midsize salaries, including Prof. Miller’s, that are handy in trades."-Zach Lowe

http://grantland.com/features/the-nba-swap-meet/

Split balling here but ...

Marco Belinelli
1st round pick

for

Kenneth Faried

[ABC]

Sure thing. There are a lot of players out there that are reportedly available (like Chandler, Thompson, Afflalo, etc.), but I still have a hard time believing they're available for Bonner, De Colo, Baynes, and a first round pick. What kind of trade can you see Denver agreeing to for Chandler, for example?

[ABC]

Split balling here but ...
Marco Belinelli
1st round pick

for

Kenneth Faried

Sounds plausible, but doesn't that solve one problem and create another?

[Chinook]

Sure thing. There are a lot of players out there that are reportedly available (like Chandler, Thompson, Afflalo, etc.), but I still have a hard time believing they're available for Bonner, De Colo, Baynes, and a first round pick. What kind of trade can you see Denver agreeing to for Chandler, for example?

Probably adding another. Assets like LJC or Bertans. Who knows, though? De Colo is working his way up toward being worth a second-rounder. He may be considered enough. Maybe Joseph.

[ABC]

Probably adding another. Assets like LJC or Bertans. Who knows, though? De Colo is working his way up toward being worth a second-rounder. He may be considered enough. Maybe Joseph.

The Spurs should do that for Chandler, even though I'm pretty excited about Jean-Charles and Bertans (obviously). It still seems like Denver's going to get more for him, if they do trade him. On another note, isn't Chandler hurt a lot? How big of a concern is that?

[Chinook]

The Spurs should do that for Chandler, even though I'm pretty excited about Jean-Charles and Bertans (obviously). It still seems like Denver's going to get more for him, if they do trade him. On another note, isn't Chandler hurt a lot? How big of a concern is that?

Probably not too big if he plays Ginobili minutes. He's missed eight games so far this season after missing most of last season. I don't think he's Mr. Glass or anything, but he's probably best served as a utility bench player.

[DapDaGenius]

I thought we were supposed to be trying become a better defensive team...trading Leonard isn't going to help that.

I'd rather see Marco get traded.

[Bruno]

A silver lining of Spurs recent losses is that it makes their 2014 first round pick a little more attractive.

[Seventyniner]

I was mulling over a Kawhi + filler for Deng and Waiters deal, but then I saw Deng's salary. I thought it was something like $11M but dayum, it's $14.3M. Him and Waiters make a combined $18M and the Spurs can't get close enough to that without throwing in the entire bench, probably including Diaw. So nevermind on that.

If Wilson Chandler can be had he'd be a great get. Only two more seasons on his contract after this one, the last one only $2M guaranteed. I wouldn't give up Kawhi for him (for both Chandler and Faried, though...?), but definitely anyone outside the top 7 and a first-rounder would be expendable for him.

[Chinook]

I was mulling over a Kawhi + filler for Deng and Waiters deal, but then I saw Deng's salary. I thought it was something like $11M but dayum, it's $14.3M. Him and Waiters make a combined $18M and the Spurs can't get close enough to that without throwing in the entire bench, probably including Diaw. So nevermind on that.

If Wilson Chandler can be had he'd be a great get. Only two more seasons on his contract after this one, the last one only $2M guaranteed. I wouldn't give up Kawhi for him (for both Chandler and Faried, though...?), but definitely anyone outside the top 7 and a first-rounder would be expendable for him.

Yeah, Deng was never really an option. Maybe a S&T in the off-season. I think Chandler as the seventh or eighth man in the utility role would be a godsend. He can handle the ball well enough to run a bit of offense, but he's bit enough to put on David West, Lee and Ibaka. Not to mention he's athletic and can shoot. He could spot-start at three positions. He would have been incredible to have had the past month.

[Hoops Czar]

The Spurs aren't trading Leonard. He's part of the Spurs youth movement moving beyond the post-Duncan era. The Spurs FO, particularly RC Buford, would look incredibly stupid trading away George Hill for three years of Leonard. Talk about absurdity. Some of you are actually responding to this possibility.

[Chinook]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=my7gj83

Do it RC!

[RD2191]

The Spurs aren't trading Leonard. He's part of the Spurs youth movement moving beyond the post-Duncan era. The Spurs FO, particularly RC Buford, would look incredibly stupid trading away George Hill for three years of Leonard. Talk about absurdity. Some of you are actually responding to this possibility.

[ABC]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=my7gj83

Do it RC!

:lobt2:

[DPG21920]

Wilson Chandler would be an unbelievable get, but I don't see why Denver would trade him. He's a very talented 2-way SF on a reasonable contract and they are only 5-6 games out of the playoff picture. Not only that, but Gallo is out for the year and they have very little SF depth.

Would be a great fit, about as perfect as it could get, but I don't see why Denver would move him. I also can't imagine the Spurs being the one to offer the best package if it were believed he would be available.

[Dverde]

The Spurs have the bulk of their money in Parker, Duncan, and Ginobili and they are all untouchables right now. They are not going to get Deng, Carmelo Anthony, Pau Gasol or anyone else with a large salary period. I don't see trading Leonard unless they are higher on Jeff Green, Evan Turner, Thad Young, or Dion Waiters. I doubt they are.

[look_at_g_shred]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jason Thompson! Love this dude's game. Just a dream though. Sorry Spurs Fans but the team we have is the one we are rolling with. No one is getting traded. They are just waiting for Kawhi and Green to comeback so they can release Brown.

Ahem!

[DapDaGenius]

The Spurs aren't trading Leonard. He's part of the Spurs youth movement moving beyond the post-Duncan era. The Spurs FO, particularly RC Buford, would look incredibly stupid trading away George Hill for three years of Leonard. Talk about absurdity. Some of you are actually responding to this possibility.

Youth was another thing I meant to mention, as far as that Leonard trade article goes. Also, are you really a Cavs fan?

[Hoops Czar]

Youth was another thing I meant to mention, as far as that Leonard trade article goes. Also, are you really a Cavs fan?
No. I grew up in Ohio though.

[szkorhetz]

Guys, are you serious?
Riight at the moment, all things considered(not counting injuries); Chandler>>(>)Leonard.

[Chinook]

Wilson Chandler would be an unbelievable get, but I don't see why Denver would trade him. He's a very talented 2-way SF on a reasonable contract and they are only 5-6 games out of the playoff picture. Not only that, but Gallo is out for the year and they have very little SF depth.

Would be a great fit, about as perfect as it could get, but I don't see why Denver would move him. I also can't imagine the Spurs being the one to offer the best package if it were believed he would be available.

Denver is nearing the situation Memphis was in last season, but without the contending core. They are a lottery team despite having a few strong pieces. In other words, they should take advantage of the situation and tank. Also, Chandler is a championship role-player, not a building block. They have no reason to keep him.

Now can the Spurs get outbid? Yeah, but I don't think it's likely if SA really wants him. A lot of teams are missing picks or are out of position to go for a final piece. I mean, who do you think would actually put in a better offer?

[cd021]

Sounds plausible, but doesn't that solve one problem and create another?

I think it solves a problem and still allows us the opportunity to solve another. We upgrade our big man core. A Duncan-Faried-Diaw-Splitter-Leonard rotation would be among the best (possibly the best) in the league. Belinelli and Mills both would essentially be competing for minutes. With Green likely playing a big role (assuming we play GSW, POR, Houston, or OKC), there is but only so many minutes at SG with Manu splitting some time at SG and SF.

Faried is a good rebounder and athletic as well. He'd be great in a "Dejaun Blair role" starting each half and logging about 20 mpg as a starter. Would allow both Splitter and Diaw to come off the bench, bolstering our bench unit

It also leaves us with Bonner and De Colo who could bring back a salary at around $8 million. Or we could make smaller deals for a backup SF like Aminu, Singeton, Dunleavy Jr.

[BatManu20]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=my7gj83

Do it RC!

:lol yea right. If only.

[ace3g]

9 days till trade deadline

[SpurPadre]

9 days till trade deadline

AKA 9 days till the bullshit rumors stop and we accept the fact that we'll roll with the same team we see now, except healthier (hopefully, at least).

[DPG21920]

Denver is nearing the situation Memphis was in last season, but without the contending core. They are a lottery team despite having a few strong pieces. In other words, they should take advantage of the situation and tank. Also, Chandler is a championship role-player, not a building block. They have no reason to keep him.

Now can the Spurs get outbid? Yeah, but I don't think it's likely if SA really wants him. A lot of teams are missing picks or are out of position to go for a final piece. I mean, who do you think would actually put in a better offer?

I have not seen any evidence to say Denver has decided to tank and not push for playoffs. They are still within striking distance and I highly doubt a team with a new coach, with a team that just made the playoffs, would elect to not push for it. While I don't disagree that they should probably tank, most teams don't appear to think that way. They may very well think they are closer by making a few moves (moving Faried who may net them a nice asset) along with getting Gallo healthy (for next year). If that is the case, Wilson is a very good piece to help them make the playoffs which is probably their goal IMO.

With regards to what teams would want Wilson Chandler and could outbid the Spurs? I think there would be a few maybe and it wouldn't just be teams who are contending this year. Teams like CHI who probably feel with Rose coming back and a few other moves they are right back in contention could be buyers. That's more of a holistic view, but specifically I would say at least 3 teams could outbid the Spurs and have a need:

1) ATL: They are making a playoff push even without Horford. They are weaker at SF than anywhere and have a coach who values 3/D. They have a few picks this year that could be better than the Spurs as well.

2) CHI: Not a likely candidate on the surface, but they fit the mold I described above. They are a team that while they appear to be rebuilding have the assets (draft picks, players getting healthy & possible cap space) to get back in the mix quite quickly. They likely didn't want to let Deng go, but he was expensive and it netted them a pick. Wilson would be a good fit for cheaper.

3) Suns: This is the team I would say could easily outbid. They have several nice picks acquired, appear to be headed for the playoffs and could use not only a 3/D SF (their weakest position IMO), but a veteran. Their training staff is great which is good news for Wilson and they could be big time buyers.

There are probably 1 or 2 more, but that is all I could come up with at the moment.

[Hoops Czar]

I think it solves a problem and still allows us the opportunity to solve another. We upgrade our big man core. A Duncan-Faried-Diaw-Splitter-Leonard rotation would be among the best (possibly the best) in the league. Belinelli and Mills both would essentially be competing for minutes. With Green likely playing a big role (assuming we play GSW, POR, Houston, or OKC), there is but only so many minutes at SG with Manu splitting some time at SG and SF.

Faried is a good rebounder and athletic as well. He'd be great in a "Dejaun Blair role" starting each half and logging about 20 mpg as a starter. Would allow both Splitter and Diaw to come off the bench, bolstering our bench unit

It also leaves us with Bonner and De Colo who could bring back a salary at around $8 million. Or we could make smaller deals for a backup SF like Aminu, Singeton, Dunleavy Jr.

Belinelli wouldn't be missed but I can't find a working scenario that allows Denver to give u a cost controlled productive 24 year old PF for a backend 1st rounder and Beli. Even with rebuilding, young, cost controlled assets are hard to find and with the players Denver would be receiving, I don't think it would be worth it.

I'm not sure how the talks between them and the Knicks are progressing but, if they're not willing to take Shumpert in a deal for Faried, I'm not sure what chance the Spurs have of offering them Belinelli. The Spurs would need to be part of a threeway.

[ABC]

I think it solves a problem and still allows us the opportunity to solve another. We upgrade our big man core. A Duncan-Faried-Diaw-Splitter-Leonard rotation would be among the best (possibly the best) in the league. Belinelli and Mills both would essentially be competing for minutes. With Green likely playing a big role (assuming we play GSW, POR, Houston, or OKC), there is but only so many minutes at SG with Manu splitting some time at SG and SF.

Faried is a good rebounder and athletic as well. He'd be great in a "Dejaun Blair role" starting each half and logging about 20 mpg as a starter. Would allow both Splitter and Diaw to come off the bench, bolstering our bench unit

It also leaves us with Bonner and De Colo who could bring back a salary at around $8 million. Or we could make smaller deals for a backup SF like Aminu, Singeton, Dunleavy Jr.

I like it as long as there is another small deal done. I can see what you mean about limited minutes to divide up, but it's good to have options. If Green is cold and Mills is getting destroyed defensively, it'd be nice to have another option who can shoot. Losing Belinelli, and Bonner and gaining Faried and Dunleavy could make some sense, for example.

[Chinook]

I have not seen any evidence to say Denver has decided to tank and not push for playoffs. They are still within striking distance and I highly doubt a team with a new coach, with a team that just made the playoffs, would elect to not push for it. While I don't disagree that they should probably tank, most teams don't appear to think that way. They may very well think they are closer by making a few moves (moving Faried who may net them a nice asset) along with getting Gallo healthy (for next year). If that is the case, Wilson is a very good piece to help them make the playoffs which is probably their goal IMO.

With regards to what teams would want Wilson Chandler and could outbid the Spurs? I think there would be a few maybe and it wouldn't just be teams who are contending this year. Teams like CHI who probably feel with Rose coming back and a few other moves they are right back in contention could be buyers. That's more of a holistic view, but specifically I would say at least 3 teams could outbid the Spurs and have a need:

1) ATL: They are making a playoff push even without Horford. They are weaker at SF than anywhere and have a coach who values 3/D. They have a few picks this year that could be better than the Spurs as well.

2) CHI: Not a likely candidate on the surface, but they fit the mold I described above. They are a team that while they appear to be rebuilding have the assets (draft picks, players getting healthy & possible cap space) to get back in the mix quite quickly. They likely didn't want to let Deng go, but he was expensive and it netted them a pick. Wilson would be a good fit for cheaper.

3) Suns: This is the team I would say could easily outbid. They have several nice picks acquired, appear to be headed for the playoffs and could use not only a 3/D SF (their weakest position IMO), but a veteran. Their training staff is great which is good news for Wilson and they could be big time buyers.

There are probably 1 or 2 more, but that is all I could come up with at the moment.

Maybe Atlanta. But they're not giving up Brooklyn's pick for a role-player. They certainly have some assets, but I don't see them selling the farm. Chicago isn't taking on salary this season because they are trying to avoid the tax, and they can't two-for-one trade, since they're at 12 players as it is. Plus, Chandler would take Chicago out of the 2014 FA hunt. Phoenix is loaded with wings and s targeting a big. How does Chandler make sense for them at all?

Wilson certainly has a market, but it's not huge right now. This off-season may be another story, but as of now he's not going to drum up a bidding war.

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs standing pat... sink or swim with the role players

[DPG21920]

Maybe Atlanta. But they're not giving up Brooklyn's pick for a role-player. They certainly have some assets, but I don't see them selling the farm. Chicago isn't taking on salary this season because they are trying to avoid the tax, and they can't two-for-one trade, since they're at 12 players as it is. Plus, Chandler would take Chicago out of the 2014 FA hunt. Phoenix is loaded with wings and s targeting a big. How does Chandler make sense for them at all?

Wilson certainly has a market, but it's not huge right now. This off-season may be another story, but as of now he's not going to drum up a bidding war.

Well lets just agree to disagree. I don't think Denver would actively trade him and I really disagree that PHX couldn't use a SF. I highly disagree that PJ Tucker, Gerald Green and Morris is being loaded with wings for a playoff team.

Regarding CHI: They could easily do a 2 for 1 trade and still avoid the tax by signing a min player afterwards depending on who they sent out. They were willing to extend Deng and that would have eaten their FA money as well. If they amnesty Boozer and replace Dunleavy with Wilson, they would still have a decent little chuck of FA money (about 8M).

[Hoops Czar]

Maybe Atlanta. But they're not giving up Brooklyn's pick for a role-player. They certainly have some assets, but I don't see them selling the farm. Chicago isn't taking on salary this season because they are trying to avoid the tax, and they can't two-for-one trade, since they're at 12 players as it is. Plus, Chandler would take Chicago out of the 2014 FA hunt. Phoenix is loaded with wings and s targeting a big. How does Chandler make sense for them at all?

Wilson certainly has a market, but it's not huge right now. This off-season may be another story, but as of now he's not going to drum up a bidding war.

What about Washibgton or OKC?

[Chinook]

What about Washibgton or OKC?

Why would Washington want another SF? They have three they've invested a lot in. And they lack a pick this season.

OKC has TE they can use. But they're near the tax and can't take on much salary. Sure, a deal can get done still, but they'd have to give upat least one rotation player (likely two) to get it done.

[Chinook]

Well lets just agree to disagree. I don't think Denver would actively trade him and I really disagree that PHX couldn't use a SF. I highly disagree that PJ Tucker, Gerald Green and Morris is being loaded with wings for a playoff team.

Regarding CHI: They could easily do a 2 for 1 trade and still avoid the tax by signing a min player afterwards depending on who they sent out. They were willing to extend Deng and that would have eaten their FA money as well. If they amnesty Boozer and replace Dunleavy with Wilson, they would still have a decent little chuck of FA money (about 8M).

We can certainly agree to disagree. It's not like this is going to happen anyway.

That said, I would think Phoenix likes their wings, since they are powering the Suns' surprise playoff push, along with Dragic. You don't blow that up to get a player having a worse season.

Chicago can only do Hinrich (their starting PG) and Dunlevy for Chandler. Any other combination puts them above the tax. They weren't willing to pay the tax for Deng ultimately; they're not going to pay it for a lesser player. Also, I doubt the Bulls amnesty Boozer just to get $9 Million in cap space. May as well keep him for that much.

[DPG21920]

We can certainly agree to disagree. It's not like this is going to happen anyway.

That said, I would think Phoenix likes their wings, since they are powering the Suns' surprise playoff push, along with Dragic. You don't blow that up to get a player having a worse season.

Chicago can only do Hinrich (their starting PG) and Dunlevy for Chandler. Any other combination puts them above the tax. They weren't willing to pay the tax for Deng ultimately; they're not going to pay it for a lesser player. Also, I doubt the Bulls amnesty Boozer just to get $9 Million in cap space. May as well keep him for that much.

Well, by that logic, to me, why trade for Pau who's having an off, injury plagued season when guys like Plumlee are propelling them to the playoffs? The fact is, Wilson has been good for years and by all accounts is a better player than any of their wings IMO.

As I said about CHI, they can do the trade you mentioned and still be under the LT so it's not an issue. If they don't amnesty Boozer, then they won't have cap space even if they move Dunleavy. That's the entire point about mention cap space with regards to the Bulls per reports. Cap space only comes into play for them if Boozer is traded for no returning salary or amnestied. Even with Chandler, they could still have good cap space.

They were willing to pay for Deng. They just didn't want to go above a certain number and obviously Deng wanted to test FA and CHI had to make a decision. However, CHI did make Deng a competitive offer.

But if the Bulls don't trade for Wilson and trade guys like Dunleavy/Kirk to maximize their potential, they would still have to move Boozer/amnesty him for cap space to be there. So the question is: Get Wilson + 8/9M in cap space or don't get Wilson and get 14M in cap space. You could definitely argue getting 14M in cap space is the better option, but I could see how getting two good pieces (Wilson + 8M FA) would be appealing too..

[Chinook]

Well, by that logic, to me, why trade for Pau who's having an off, injury plagued season when guys like Plumlee are propelling them to the playoffs? The fact is, Wilson has been good for years and by all accounts is a better player than any of their wings IMO.

As I said about CHI, they can do the trade you mentioned and still be under the LT so it's not an issue. If they don't amnesty Boozer, then they won't have cap space even if they move Dunleavy. That's the entire point about mention cap space with regards to the Bulls per reports. Cap space only comes into play for them if Boozer is traded for no returning salary or amnestied. Even with Chandler, they could still have good cap space.

The Bulls may well be open to this trade next off-season, but by no means can I see them being keen on buying a player now, especially when they only have one straight-up offer they can give.

They were willing to pay for Deng. They just didn't want to go above a certain number and obviously Deng wanted to test FA and CHI had to make a decision. However, CHI did make Deng a competitive offer.

But if the Bulls don't trade for Wilson and trade guys like Dunleavy/Kirk to maximize their potential, they would still have to move Boozer/amnesty him for cap space to be there. So the question is: Get Wilson + 8/9M in cap space or don't get Wilson and get 14M in cap space. You could definitely argue getting 14M in cap space is the better option, but I could see how getting two good pieces (Wilson + 8M FA) would be appealing too..

Going backwards.

Boozer, Dunlvey and two mid-sized deals could be even better, and it would certainly be cheaper. Plus, a deal for Chandler would cost them about as much as they got from Deng. Or at least it would foe them to be able to beat the Spurs' best offer. Seems like a waste to lose flexibility for a net-neutral transaction.

And you act like dealing on of two PGs on the team is a minor thing. Yheyd certainly have to sign another for the min. But who? It certainly doesn't make the Bulls better this season to have Jimmy Butler running the point.

[DPG21920]

Kirk is often injured anyways so they will likely end up needing another PG whether they trade him or not. Bulls could easily beat the Spurs offer, but after my convo with Shamsports about this subject, he is not high on Wilson Chandler and doesn't think the Bulls should/would entertain it. He thinks cap space is the plan (meaning they will trade Dunleavy and amnesty Boozer).

The reason I agree with him/you now is because a new piece of info. I was operating under the assumption the Bulls really wanted Deng back (hence the offer). He said the Bulls knew he would say no to their offer and moved onto their cap space plan accordingly.

Either way, there are still quite a few teams I can see where Wilson could help and they could beat the Spurs offer, but maybe I am overvaluing Wilson Chandler and how good other teams think he is.

[Budkin]

:lol rumors about trading Kawhi. Fucking stupid.

[look_at_g_shred]

:lol rumors about trading Kawhi. Fucking stupid.

[Vic Petro]

Clearly this is a BS rumor, but no player should be untouchable unless it's TD. Everybody has a price.


http://www.trapword.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/milliondollarmope.jpg

[Mugen]

Would be a real shame if the Spurs stood pat considering they have 4 or 5 useless players at the end of the bench that have tradeable contracts tbh. Still holding out hope for a Bonner/Nando/Baynes for Marvin Williams type deal. That's 3 white guys for what I believe is the darkest Jazz player, might be very enticing to the Utah FO. We could even throw in Bertans to sweeten the deal tbh.

[sexinthatsx]

:lol rumors about trading Kawhi. Fucking stupid.

Let's be honest, all the posters on here value Kawhi like he's the next coming of Scottie Pippen. Truth is, he's still developing, and there are a couple players in mind that I would trade Kawhi Leonard for... including: Lebron James, Kevin Love, or Marc Gasol.

[DapDaGenius]

Let's be honest, all the posters on here value Kawhi like he's the next coming of Scottie Pippen. Truth is, he's still developing, and there are a couple players in mind that I would trade Kawhi Leonard for... including: Lebron James, Kevin Love, or Marc Gasol.

I think everyone would want to trade Kawhi, if it meant getting Lebron. Well, except those who are still extremely bitter about Game 6.

[sexinthatsx]

If trading Kawhi meant getting the pick for Andrew Wiggins, I personally would highly consider it...

[Seventyniner]

Clearly this is a BS rumor, but no player should be untouchable unless it's TD. Everybody has a price.

Agree. Kawhi is nowhere near untouchable. A trade that nets a better starting SF and another asset would have to be at least considered.

[HI-FI]

Would be a real shame if the Spurs stood pat considering they have 4 or 5 useless players at the end of the bench that have tradeable contracts tbh. Still holding out hope for a Bonner/Nando/Baynes for Marvin Williams type deal. That's 3 white guys for what I believe is the darkest Jazz player, might be very enticing to the Utah FO. We could even throw in Bertans to sweeten the deal tbh.
:lol


damn that suck if Kawhi was traded. I started to think he was the savior.:depressed

[tim_duncan_fan]

Nothing is going to happen, guys.

The guys we got is what we got. We might get out of the first round.

[Robz4000]

Kawhi isn't untradeable but the deal would have to be great. Can't see a team really making any offer like that.

[dbreiden83080]

Kawhi has been worse this year and now he is hurt. Trade value is pretty low right now so any deal is kind of pointless..

[TheGoldStandard]

Nothing is going to happen, guys.

The guys we got is what we got. We might get out of the first round.

Spurs will target A 6'2 shooting guard in the draft

[wildchild]

Agree. Kawhi is nowhere near untouchable. A trade that nets a better starting SF and another asset would have to be at least considered.

Better SF than Kawhi:
1-James
2-Durant
3-Paul George
4-Carmelo Anthony
5-? Maybe Deng/Rudy Gay/Josh Smith?

How do you think these guys are going to come at here for a 2M contract guy -like Leonard this season-? Equal value and money in a deal...Leonard/Bonner/DeColo contracts aren't enough

Gordon Hayward/Chandler Parsons (Kawhi's defense>Parsons)? Utah and Rockets don't seem willing to trade their young talents.

[DPG21920]

Better SF than Kawhi:
1-James
2-Durant
3-Paul George
4-Carmelo Anthony
5-? Maybe Deng/Rudy Gay/Josh Smith?

How do you think these guys are going to come at here for a 2M contract guy -like Leonard this season-? Equal value and money in a deal...

Gordon Hayward/Chandler Parsons (Kawhi's defense>Parsons)? Utah and Rockets don't seem willing to trade their young talents.

I'd put him above Deng/Gay/Smith as a 3 no doubt. Especially if you factor in future ability to grow. But to answer your question, the Spurs would have to package Kawhi with guys like Bonner/Ayres/De Colo to get the amount of money up. If they did something like that, they could get back a guy making 10M+

They shouldn't even consider dealing Kawhi unless it's just a stupid offer which doesn't happen unless you are LA.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Could we swing Kawhi for Andre Drummond some kinda way?

[wildchild]

I'd put him above Deng/Gay/Smith as a 3 no doubt. Especially if you factor in future ability to grow. But to answer your question, the Spurs would have to package Kawhi with guys like Bonner/Ayres/De Colo to get the amount of money up. If they did something like that, they could get back a guy making 10M+

They shouldn't even consider dealing Kawhi unless it's just a stupid offer which doesn't happen unless you are LA.

Sorry, I edited it saying Leonard/Bonner/DeColo contracts aren't enough

[Chinook]

I'd deal Kawhi for a starter and a top-five pick. Ariza and Porter, Tobias Harris and Orlando's unprotected first. That sort of thing. As awesome as Leonard can be, he needs to get his shot back or he's not going to be a good fit going forward. I don't think Leonard will be a star, but his production from last year is not easy to replace. If he can shoot better (as he was starting) he'd be hard to move. If not, there are more than a handful of threes who could match or better Leonard's production.

[tholdren]

If trading Kawhi meant getting the pick for Andrew Wiggins, I personally would highly consider it...
andrew wiggins sux

[DesignatedT]

Hard to really tell what Kawhi can be in this system. I expect the Spurs to hold onto him and find out though. That means after the Duncan era.

[sexinthatsx]

andrew wiggins sux

He's very raw on offense, but his defense is pretty strong

[sexinthatsx]

Better SF than Kawhi:
1-James
2-Durant
3-Paul George
4-Carmelo Anthony
5-? Maybe Deng/Rudy Gay/Josh Smith?

How do you think these guys are going to come at here for a 2M contract guy -like Leonard this season-? Equal value and money in a deal...Leonard/Bonner/DeColo contracts aren't enough

Gordon Hayward/Chandler Parsons (Kawhi's defense>Parsons)? Utah and Rockets don't seem willing to trade their young talents.

I would NOT trade Kawhi Leonard for Carmelo... not in a million years

[Mikeanaro]

I would NOT trade Kawhi Leonard for Carmelo... not in a million years
I agree, Carmelo is fools gold nice scoring but he is a bum who doesnt like to sweat or play defense.

[r0drig0lac]

I would NOT trade Kawhi Leonard for Carmelo... not in a million years
Really?

[Spursfanfromafar]

Really?

Really.

[Mikeanaro]

Trading Kawhi without at least burn his young body 35 mpg a night would be a sin but then it was a horrible sin to let Scola go.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Melo's a low-key nutcase. You'd get a few nights of insane scoring output, but on most nights you'd get better than average scoring numbers with low efficiency, a bad attitude and minimal effort.

Not a character guy, tbqh.

[r0drig0lac]

melo is also a rebounder elite for his position

[Budkin]

If trading Kawhi meant getting the pick for Andrew Wiggins, I personally would highly consider it...

Ok that's different but no one is going to trade the number one pick for Kawhi.

[Strategic]

Lots of folks trying to trade some of the Spurs and get an all leaguer in the return. May be possible that very few teams would trade their best three for the entire Spurs roster. Better hold on for a miracle.

[cd021]

Could we swing Kawhi for Andre Drummond some kinda way?

Monroe ,maybe. Drummond is going to be a stud.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Carmelo Anthony is an offensive machine but he is not a systems player. Has never been. Defensively been mediocre or worse always and it is difficult to build a squad around him. Maybe he could change his habits if he was 25 or something, but I think he has already reached and crossed his peak.

Leonard on the other hand, is just 22 and there are miles to go to reach his ceiling.

[Hoops Czar]

Why would Washington want another SF? They have three they've invested a lot in. And they lack a pick this season.

OKC has TE they can use. But they're near the tax and can't take on much salary. Sure, a deal can get done still, but they'd have to give upat least one rotation player (likely two) to get it done.

Washigton because Ariza is expiring and a major upgrade even if they decide to resign Ariza. It's true they have SF's in Vesley and Porter but Vesely is a very limited contributor and Porter doesn't play. They could sell high on one of them in a package for Chandler. Both are pretty raw but have a potentially rather high upside. They're definitely going all in this year and he would be a huge upgrade at SF for that roster.

OKC because Sefalosha is on the trading block. A package of Sef and Lamb gets the deal done. They really don't have a true back up to Durant unless they call on the seldom used Perry Jones. He's also versatile enough to play the SG and PF positions in a pinch. It's a potential trade that could put them over the top.

As for the Spurs, the lack of assets are a deterrent. Even if Denver were to agree, I don't think the Spurs would be open to paying the 14M+ owed on his contract over the next two years. His durability is a bit of an issue playing only 51 games over the previous two seasons. RC probably wouldn't touch this one with a ten foot pole. I do think they'll make trade for some weak sauce SF or some complimentary seldom used reserve/role player used to eat up some regular season minutes if such a player presents itself. However, the only way to make a splash is through a threeway and those are tough to come by.

[wildchild]

February 26 -after deadline- first home game after the Rodeo Trip. No more Kawhi's Bobblehead Night if the Spurs trade him. :(

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[Chinook]

Washigton because Ariza is expiring and a major upgrade even if they decide to resign Ariza. It's true they have SF's in Vesley and Porter but Vesely is a very limited contributor and Porter doesn't play. They could sell high on one of them in a package for Chandler. Both are pretty raw but have a potentially rather high upside. They're definitely going all in this year and he would be a huge upgrade at SF for that roster.

OKC because Sefalosha is on the trading block. A package of Sef and Lamb gets the deal done. They really don't have a true back up to Durant unless they call on the seldom used Perry Jones. He's also versatile enough to play the SG and PF positions in a pinch. It's a potential trade that could put them over the top.

As for the Spurs, the lack of assets are a deterrent. Even if Denver were to agree, I don't think the Spurs would be open to paying the 14M+ owed on his contract over the next two years. His durability is a bit of an issue playing only 51 games over the previous two seasons. RC probably wouldn't touch this one with a ten foot pole. I do think they'll make trade for some weak sauce SF or some complimentary seldom used reserve/role player used to eat up some regular season minutes if such a player presents itself. However, the only way to make a splash is through a threeway and those are tough to come by.

Obviously agree nothing's going to happen besides maybe De Colo and Baynes for Singleton or Hamilton.

But Washington has three SFs not including Singleton or Vesely. They used the full MLE on Martell Webster, and he's been playing very well. Vesely and Singleton have almost no value, as the Wizards did not pick up either's option for next year. They aren't pieces that beat out even late-firsts anymore. Porter would be, obviously, but I don't see the Wizards trading two SFs in Porter and Ariza, who is actually having a great year as well. In general, all three of Washington's rotational wings are productive, and I don't think they would make a major splash for a wing who can't stay healthy playing big minutes. Plus, they almost never play small since they are lucky enough to have four competent bigs.

I doubt the Thunder would trade both of their rotational two-guards for Durant's backup. Sure, Chandler and Westbrook could probably cover the two, but that's a lot of upheaval for a team that's clicking right now. I don't see the OKC fit unless they just decide to use the TE.

I know there are teams that CAN beat the Spurs' best offer, but I don't think it's likely that any team would. As you said, Chandler is too injury prone to be a big-minutes starter and not cheap enough to be a bench player. He makes more sense for the Spurs because they have their top seven players locked in making $51Million combined this season and not much more next season. They can overpay for a role-player more than most contenders can, especially since the NY and LA teams are likely out of the running along with Miami.

[BatManu20]

:lol The Spurs aren't trading Kawhi for Melo.. this thread is going off the deep end.

[cd021]

"One grim reality for those craving trade madness: Most of the contenders, one-piece-away pseudo contenders, and buyers desperate to win now have already dealt away future first-round picks. The list of such teams includes Miami, Indiana, New York, Brooklyn, Washington, Golden State, Detroit, Portland, Dallas, Memphis, Minnesota, and the Clippers."-Zach Lowe

http://grantland.com/features/the-nba-swap-meet/

At the moment, the Spurs pick would be 26th (and could possibly be as low as 25th) 9 playoff teams are without a 1st rounder.

[cd021]

Ok that's different but no one is going to trade the number one pick for Kawhi.

In a package deal, maybe top 10. In that case, the Spurs would be better off keeping him unless they feel confidently they have the ability to nab an absolute stud.

[ABC]

Well, it's been 5 hours since the last post, so...

Belinelli, Baynes, and a pick for Tristan Thompson?

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6426758

Bonner, Belinelli, Baynes, and a pick for Varajao?

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6426762

[tmtcsc]

I don't think Belinelli is going anywhere. When you trade a player who took less money to play for you (a contender), it sends a bad message to other potential free agents down the line. The Spurs don't operate like that.

[Spur|n|Austin]

I don't think Belinelli is going anywhere. When you trade a player who took less money to play for you (a contender), it sends a bad message to other potential free agents down the line. The Spurs don't operate like that.

Agreed.

[elemento]

I don't think Belinelli is going anywhere. When you trade a player who took less money to play for you (a contender), it sends a bad message to other potential free agents down the line. The Spurs don't operate like that.

I agree with this

And Belineli is still a great addition for the money he gets. How many players can give you 11ppg/3rpg/2apg @ 61%TS and 44% from 3p with a 2.7m salary ? Not many.

I see no reason to move him. To me he remains one of the best bargains of the past off-season.

[ABC]

I don't think Belinelli is going anywhere. When you trade a player who took less money to play for you (a contender), it sends a bad message to other potential free agents down the line. The Spurs don't operate like that.

I agree. I'm mostly just playing and was curious to see what people thought Thompson's value is with Cleveland likely to shake things up. He's probably one of the players they'd like to keep anyway.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'd probably trade melo for kawhi because it's win now

[Chinook]

I don't think Belinelli is going anywhere. When you trade a player who took less money to play for you (a contender), it sends a bad message to other potential free agents down the line. The Spurs don't operate like that.

Also because Beli is a good fit chemistry-wise. It's not his fault he's not a SF. Pop & Co. knew that before they brought him in. If they can make move for a combo-forward even of Singleton's caliber, the Beli signing looks a lot better, seeing as the team has actually needed their guard depth this year.

[TheGoldStandard]

Not signing anyone... Lol if we do it'll be something retarded like a 6'2 combo guard who's a good locker room guy

[look_at_g_shred]

Not signing anyone... Lol if we do it'll be something retarded like a 6'2 combo guard who's a good locker room guy
and who only plays trash minutes.

[wtgspurs]

If the Spurs do trade Leonard then it better be for something good cause i sure see us exiting within the first round of the playoffs if not

[r0drig0lac]

[QUOTE = look_at_g_shred; 7130075]. E that Só joga Minutos de Lixo [/ QUOTE]

:pop: "would not be fair to the others"

[TheGoldStandard]

Maybe the rights to some scrub for de colo

[ABC]

In terms of small trades with the Wizards, wasn't there a rumor this summer that they wanted to sign Blair, but that the Spurs didn't want what the Wizards were offering in a sign-and-trade? I assumed the Wizards were offering Vesely or Singleton and the Spurs weren't interested.

[Bruno]

Chris Mannix bout Celtics:
http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/boston/basketball/celtics/2014/02/12/chris-mannix-on-dc-rajon-rondo-will-be-with-this-team-through-the-offseason/

To summarize:
-Celtics values Green and won't trade him for a poor package.
- Nobody really wants Bass.

[ace3g]

The Knicks would “love” to acquire Glen Rice Jr. (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/ricegl02.html) or a second-round pick in return for Beno Udrih (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/u/udrihbe01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.hoopsrumors.com), reports Marc Berman of the New York Post (http://nypost.com/2014/02/12/udrih-world-peace-candidates-for-knicks-deadline-trades/). The Wizards reportedly have interest (http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2014/02/wizards-interest-miller.html) in Udrih, while the Knicks considered drafting Rice in the first round this past June had Tim Hardaway Jr. (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardati02.html) been unavailable, according to Berman

[cjw]

Really.

Even if salaries were close, I'm not sure I would. The fact that Melo's a free agent and would eat up over a third of the Spurs cap space, while Leonard is cheap for at least one more year and then reasonable thereafter, it would be a travesty. Numbers don't work anyway unless significant other assets were shipped out too, so let's not get caught up in it.

[cjw]

Guys, are you serious?
Riight at the moment, all things considered(not counting injuries); Chandler>>(>)Leonard.

Leonard's the better rebounder, defender and shooter (not to mention four years younger, though I was surprised Chandler's still only 26). What's Chandler better at?

[HI-FI]

I agree with this

And Belineli is still a great addition for the money he gets. How many players can give you 11ppg/3rpg/2apg @ 61%TS and 44% from 3p with a 2.7m salary ? Not many.

I see no reason to move him. To me he remains one of the best bargains of the past off-season.
:tu
still can't believe some people are crying about Neal over Belinelli, smh. agreed with tmtcsc post as well, it would be a terrible signal.

[szkorhetz]

Leonard's the better rebounder, defender and shooter (not to mention four years younger, though I was surprised Chandler's still only 26). What's Chandler better at?
Making his own shot, putting the ball on the floor, Chandler is the better shooter and a more hard-nosed defender.

[Spurs da champs]

Making his own shot, putting the ball on the floor, Chandler is the better shooter and a more hard-nosed defender.

Chandler is the better offensive player, that is all.

[ElNono]

One week to the deadline...

[Robz4000]

It'll prolly be another quiet deadline.

[BatManu20]

Still think we stand pat, unfortunately. Been trying to think or realistic trade scenarios and there really just aren't any with the "assets" we have. Unless it's a 3-team trade, (which is possible) I don't see anything happening.

[spurraider21]

i'm tired of hearing about Singleton and Seraphin. they both suck

[Spursfanfromafar]

i'm tired of hearing about Singleton and Seraphin. they both suck

This.

If the Spurs want to improve their squad, they would have to look for starters on poor teams to take up roles as squad players/ bench players on their squad. Not take up scrubs from elsewhere to replace their own scrubs.

Seraphin might have some promise, but Singleton has been a useless scrub who barely plays for the Wizards. Why would the Spurs want him?

[Texas_Ranger]

i'm tired of hearing about Singleton and Seraphin. they both suck


still better than Bonner, Errors and Baynes.

[cd021]

Belinelli wouldn't be missed but I can't find a working scenario that allows Denver to give u a cost controlled productive 24 year old PF for a backend 1st rounder and Beli. Even with rebuilding, young, cost controlled assets are hard to find and with the players Denver would be receiving, I don't think it would be worth it.

I'm not sure how the talks between them and the Knicks are progressing but, if they're not willing to take Shumpert in a deal for Faried, I'm not sure what chance the Spurs have of offering them Belinelli. The Spurs would need to be part of a threeway.

Thats a valid point.

I would at least think they'd dangle Faried while his stock is high. I'd doubt they be able to move him for a lottery pick in this years draft but they could always package him along
with their ,likely, lottery pick [12th ,at the moment] allowing them to move up the draft.

A move i could potentially see them doing is...

They could potentially move Chandler for Sefolosha & Thabeet and a 1st rounder (likely 29th or 30th). OKC gets a 2 way player in Chandler on a decent deal (they should be fine ,in terms of
luxury tax this season, and possibly next season) Denver gets a replacement 3 (who is on an expiring deal)
and a first rounder out of it with out any salary going on the books while saving them $14 million from Chandlers deal in 14-15 and 15-16.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m9kdnrq (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m9kdnrq)

While the Spurs pick, likely, wouldn't be enough to get Faried, we still do have some overseas prospects. But it would be unlikely they'd take Beli and a 1st for Faried.

[Maddog]

Still think we stand pat, unfortunately. Been trying to think or realistic trade scenarios and there really just aren't any with the "assets" we have. Unless it's a 3-team trade, (which is possible) I don't see anything happening.

I would agree.
While the current team has it's faults - just like last 2 years- if healthy and the right breaks can make the finals.

[Samps]

If we are going to speculate about a trade, how about we trade with a team that actually traded with us in the past, the Milwaukee Bucks. The Bucks are basically done this year and are look forward to next year so I think there are good pieces that we can trade for. The trade that I suggest the Spurs do is:

John Henson and Giannis Antetokounmpo
For
Matt Bonner and Nando De Colo

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l58xwrf (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l58xwrf)

Why the Bucks would do this trade?
The main reason why the Bucks would do this trade is for the expiring contracts. Both Matt Bonner and Nando De Colo have one year left and together have almost 5.5 million that are coming of the books. With both of their contracts and other expiring contracts coming off the books, the Bucks can spend over 20 million on free agents this off season. Add that with the deep draft, in which they will most likely get a lottery pick, they can get a pretty good team for the 2014-15 season. As a team that is in rebuilding mode, this should be pretty attractive.

Why the Spurs would do this trade?
This is the best trade I could think of for the Spurs. Trading two players who are at the end of the bench now, for some youth and athleticism is the best addition by subtraction scenario I can think of. This isn't factoring in the fact that John Henson is a center who can protect the rim when Tim Duncan is taking a breather. Or the fact that Giannis is a 6’9 forward who can potentially guard both guards and forwards, giving the Spurs the back up forward that the fans have been asking for.

With the injury to John Henson, I think this is the best time to pull the trigger. With the All Star break coming up, Henson can have time to heal and Giannis time to learn the system. Also with the depleted bench that we have right now, they can have plenty of playing time before everyone comes back healthy.

[look_at_g_shred]

Yeah right dude ^ the bucks would laugh.

[Seventyniner]

Wow. Just wow. The Bucks wouldn't trade Giannis for Kawhi straight up.

[xellos88330]

I don't think the Spurs should be looking at a SF unfortunately. They have 3 potential small forwards overseas in Thomas, Jean-Charles and Bertans. If they look for anything in a trade, they would probably be looking for a C/PF. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see the Spurs stand pat at the trade deadline and draft a big after the season.

[Baam]

Assets that have to be on the block : Mills, Beli, Bonner, Tiago and all the end of the bench scrubs/stashed scrubs... If the big 3 is sticking together another year we can't afford to have defensive liabilities around them...

Targets : first round picks, good defenders for guards, low post threats for big...


Mills + Beli + first for MKG : imo this is a great time to buy low on MKG, Charlotte want more 3 pt shooting, we can provide that as well as anyone.


Tiago for Nash (we're offering cap relief don't get me wrong) + Kaman (still a great low post scorer) + top 5 protected first


Do both even...

TD Kaman
Diaw MKG
Kawhi MKG
Green Manu
TP Cojo
+ lottery pick to get more athletic this summer, Aaron Gordon would be the perfect pick for the Spurs, athletic freak with decent bbIQ who knows how to play within a system...

[BatManu20]

If we are going to speculate about a trade, how about we trade with a team that actually traded with us in the past, the Milwaukee Bucks. The Bucks are basically done this year and are look forward to next year so I think there are good pieces that we can trade for. The trade that I suggest the Spurs do is:

John Henson and Giannis Antetokounmpo
For
Matt Bonner and Nando De Colo

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l58xwrf (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l58xwrf)

Why the Bucks would do this trade?
The main reason why the Bucks would do this trade is for the expiring contracts. Both Matt Bonner and Nando De Colo have one year left and together have almost 5.5 million that are coming of the books. With both of their contracts and other expiring contracts coming off the books, the Bucks can spend over 20 million on free agents this off season. Add that with the deep draft, in which they will most likely get a lottery pick, they can get a pretty good team for the 2014-15 season. As a team that is in rebuilding mode, this should be pretty attractive.

Why the Spurs would do this trade?
This is the best trade I could think of for the Spurs. Trading two players who are at the end of the bench now, for some youth and athleticism is the best addition by subtraction scenario I can think of. This isn't factoring in the fact that John Henson is a center who can protect the rim when Tim Duncan is taking a breather. Or the fact that Giannis is a 6’9 forward who can potentially guard both guards and forwards, giving the Spurs the back up forward that the fans have been asking for.

With the injury to John Henson, I think this is the best time to pull the trigger. With the All Star break coming up, Henson can have time to heal and Giannis time to learn the system. Also with the depleted bench that we have right now, they can have plenty of playing time before everyone comes back healthy.

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Ice-Cube-Confused-With-A-Brainless-Stare.gif

[TheGoldStandard]

I don't think the Spurs should be looking at a SF unfortunately. They have 3 potential small forwards overseas in Thomas, Jean-Charles and Bertans. If they look for anything in a trade, they would probably be looking for a C/PF. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see the Spurs stand pat at the trade deadline and draft a big after the season.

Those overseas projects are about 3 years away minus bertans who we haven't seen what he will be like till after the 16th from his energy.

[TheGoldStandard]

I don't think the Spurs should be looking at a SF unfortunately. They have 3 potential small forwards overseas in Thomas, Jean-Charles and Bertans. If they look for anything in a trade, they would probably be looking for a C/PF. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see the Spurs stand pat at the trade deadline and draft a big after the season.

Those overseas projects are about 3 years away minus bertans who we haven't seen what he will be like till after the 16th from his energy.

[r0drig0lac]

If we are going to speculate about a trade, how about we trade with a team that actually traded with us in the past, the Milwaukee Bucks. The Bucks are basically done this year and are look forward to next year so I think there are good pieces that we can trade for. The trade that I suggest the Spurs do is:

John Henson and Giannis Antetokounmpo
For
Matt Bonner and Nando De Colo

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l58xwrf (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l58xwrf)

Why the Bucks would do this trade?
The main reason why the Bucks would do this trade is for the expiring contracts. Both Matt Bonner and Nando De Colo have one year left and together have almost 5.5 million that are coming of the books. With both of their contracts and other expiring contracts coming off the books, the Bucks can spend over 20 million on free agents this off season. Add that with the deep draft, in which they will most likely get a lottery pick, they can get a pretty good team for the 2014-15 season. As a team that is in rebuilding mode, this should be pretty attractive.

Why the Spurs would do this trade?
This is the best trade I could think of for the Spurs. Trading two players who are at the end of the bench now, for some youth and athleticism is the best addition by subtraction scenario I can think of. This isn't factoring in the fact that John Henson is a center who can protect the rim when Tim Duncan is taking a breather. Or the fact that Giannis is a 6’9 forward who can potentially guard both guards and forwards, giving the Spurs the back up forward that the fans have been asking for.

With the injury to John Henson, I think this is the best time to pull the trigger. With the All Star break coming up, Henson can have time to heal and Giannis time to learn the system. Also with the depleted bench that we have right now, they can have plenty of playing time before everyone comes back healthy.
this has to be the worst post of the thread, easily

[xellos88330]

Those overseas projects are about 3 years away minus bertans who we haven't seen what he will be like till after the 16th from his energy.

I was originally thinking that as well until I looked at the dates of Bertans' injury along with the draft and signing of Marco and Ayers. The Spurs were hurting for bigs and also needed a backup SF. They signed Marco and Ayers on June 11th. Marco, I believe was meant to be Ginobili/Green insurance at the 2. Not the 3. I expected the Spurs to bring over Bertans to address the SF backup and play some spot minutes at the 4 in small ball sets. After the signing, just 11 days later, Bertans tears his ACL thus affecting the Spurs' draft choices. They drafted two SF's in Thomas and Jean-Charles just in case the injury to Bertans affects his performance. The Spurs' also have a plethora of guards with useful talents, however, Ayers/Baynes isn't panning out particularly well for the Spurs. The Splitter injuries only compound this issue. With young potential SF's in the pipeline overseas regardless of Bertans performance after injury, I don't believe that the Spurs would pull a Khan and continue drafting SF's, let alone trade for one. This is why if there is a trade, I expect it to be for a big. If there isn't a trade, I expect a big to be drafted. The Spurs also like to look at things long term after all and that led me to this assumption.

[DJR210]

Yeah right dude ^ the bucks would laugh.


Wow. Just wow. The Bucks wouldn't trade Giannis for Kawhi straight up.


http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Ice-Cube-Confused-With-A-Brainless-Stare.gif


this has to be the worst post of the thread, easily

While we're at it, might as well trade Ayers for Aldridge.

[look_at_g_shred]

Assets that have to be on the block : Mills, Beli, Bonner, Tiago and all the end of the bench scrubs/stashed scrubs... If the big 3 is sticking together another year we can't afford to have defensive liabilities around them...

Targets : first round picks, good defenders for guards, low post threats for big...


Mills + Beli + first for MKG : imo this is a great time to buy low on MKG, Charlotte want more 3 pt shooting, we can provide that as well as anyone.


Tiago for Nash (we're offering cap relief don't get me wrong) + Kaman (still a great low post scorer) + top 5 protected first



Stopped reading here..

[Chinook]

Assets that have to be on the block : Mills, Beli, Bonner, Tiago and all the end of the bench scrubs/stashed scrubs... If the big 3 is sticking together another year we can't afford to have defensive liabilities around them...

Targets : first round picks, good defenders for guards, low post threats for big...


Mills + Beli + first for MKG : imo this is a great time to buy low on MKG, Charlotte want more 3 pt shooting, we can provide that as well as anyone.


Tiago for Nash (we're offering cap relief don't get me wrong) + Kaman (still a great low post scorer) + top 5 protected first


Do both even...

TD Kaman
Diaw MKG
Kawhi MKG
Green Manu
TP Cojo
+ lottery pick to get more athletic this summer, Aaron Gordon would be the perfect pick for the Spurs, athletic freak with decent bbIQ who knows how to play within a system...

Ignoring the fact that trading Splitter isn't on the table, there are two problems with your second idea. Splitter is owed only $500k less than Nash next season. That doesn't save them much next year and takes up a lot of room after that. The Lakers don't do that trade for the finances. Second, the Lakers can't trade a pick outside of draft day for the foreseeable future. They have to settle their ledger with Orlando first.

[FutureMan]

If a big trade happens it has to be with a team or teams that have been shopping for a while. What about something like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lzsqypl
Philly would get picks from both the Spurs and Charlotte.

Everyone wins in this too:
-Philly gets picks
-Charlotte would be able to get to the second round of the playoffs (which has never happened) A great starting line up for them
+Walker
+Henderson
+MKG
+Young
+Jefferson
-The Spurs get Turner who certainly would need some work but he will work out well and McRoberts to replace Ayers. Plus we would only have to get rid of our scraps.

[Baam]

To answer Chinook :

Yeah the first point is very good, the second objection can be solved by sending them our own first, and sending Charlotte a future pick or a stashed scrub.

[Chinook]

If a big trade happens it has to be with a team or teams that have been shopping for a while. What about something like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lzsqypl
Philly would get picks from both the Spurs and Charlotte.

Everyone wins in this too:
-Philly gets picks
-Charlotte would be able to get to the second round of the playoffs (which has never happened) A great starting line up for them
+Walker
+Henderson
+MKG
+Young
+Jefferson
-The Spurs get Turner who certainly would need some work but he will work out well and McRoberts to replace Ayers. Plus we would only have to get rid of our scraps.

The trade isn't half-bad. Just switch out Young for Turner, as Evan is the one Charlotte wants and he isn't a fit in SA, and give Charlotte back McRoberts. If the Bobcats have to send out a player, just send Taylor out. Or send him to Philly, as two firsts might not be enough for Turner and Young.

[TheGoldStandard]

I was originally thinking that as well until I looked at the dates of Bertans' injury along with the draft and signing of Marco and Ayers. The Spurs were hurting for bigs and also needed a backup SF. They signed Marco and Ayers on June 11th. Marco, I believe was meant to be Ginobili/Green insurance at the 2. Not the 3. I expected the Spurs to bring over Bertans to address the SF backup and play some spot minutes at the 4 in small ball sets. After the signing, just 11 days later, Bertans tears his ACL thus affecting the Spurs' draft choices. They drafted two SF's in Thomas and Jean-Charles just in case the injury to Bertans affects his performance. The Spurs' also have a plethora of guards with useful talents, however, Ayers/Baynes isn't panning out particularly well for the Spurs. The Splitter injuries only compound this issue. With young potential SF's in the pipeline overseas regardless of Bertans performance after injury, I don't believe that the Spurs would pull a Khan and continue drafting SF's, let alone trade for one. This is why if there is a trade, I expect it to be for a big. If there isn't a trade, I expect a big to be drafted. The Spurs also like to look at things long term after all and that led me to this assumption.

I would agree but for a few years the spurs tried to draft undersized combo guards. Dont know what the buy out is for bertans or for jean charles. I can see hanga coming over, but again a buyout would be necessary. Just don't see that kind of move.

[FutureMan]

The trade isn't half-bad. Just switch out Young for Turner, as Evan is the one Charlotte wants and he isn't a fit in SA, and give Charlotte back McRoberts. If the Bobcats have to send out a player, just send Taylor out. Or send him to Philly, as two firsts might not be enough for Turner and Young.

Can you show an example? This trade would be perfect but its far to complex
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=movc6a3

EDIT: for the record those looking for a youth moment while still winning this is it.

[Chinook]

Can you show an example? This trade would be perfect but its far to complex
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=movc6a3

EDIT: for the record those looking for a youth moment while still winning this is it.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l4qsda6

[Baam]

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[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Armed with trade exceptions, OKC has been active in search for a shooter to fortify them for title run, league sources tell Yahoo.

[timtonymanu]

Next Thursday couldn't get here soon enough. I just want to know if the Spurs are gonna make any moves or not and also it will stop some of the terrible trade scenarios in here. :lol

[Robz4000]

Wouldn't it be a bitch if OKC traded for Neal?

[DPG21920]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Armed with trade exceptions, OKC has been active in search for a shooter to fortify them for title run, league sources tell Yahoo.



Beli for Thabo tbh..

[ace3g]

Next Thursday couldn't get here soon enough. I just want to know if the Spurs are gonna make any moves or not and also it will stop some of the terrible trade scenarios in here. :lol

True, then we can move on to the waiver deadline.

It will be interesting to see if anything happens this weekend, teams finally have a break to look over their rosters and make some decisions without having to gameplan for the next game.

[Robz4000]

Beli for Thabo tbh..

Haven't paid much attention to Thabo's play this year outside games against the Spurs. Can he still guard 1s and 2s? If so I'd consider it.

[HarlemHeat37]

OKC getting a shooter would be scary, their lack of shooting is probably their only flaw, tbh(other than Westbrook, potentially)..

Spurs may not have assets to make a move, but we better hear that they at least genuinely tried to make a move, tbh..

[ace3g]

Beli for Thabo tbh..

I honestly was just thinking of that trade, lol... Durant said he wanted Beli on the Thunder and Thabo has recently shown up in trade rumors. But I don't know how I would feel if that trade went through.

[DPG21920]

I have no doubt in my mind that OKC would do that trade in a minute. Doubt the Spurs would. They need scoring with Manu's uncertainty.

[thunderup]

Beli for Thabo tbh..
Tough one. Who gets the toughest perimeter defensive assignment if Thabo is gone? Brooks like to conserve Durant's energy on the defensive end so Thabo is used as the defensive workhorse. The idea of Beli's defense on the perimeter is frightening but the frontcourt is athletic enough to hide some of his defensive deficiencies. Again, tough one.

[Chinook]

I wouldn't do that deal. Thabo is a three like Green is. If Beli goes, it needs to be for a combo-forward.