Official Trade/Signing Ideas Thread

[ABC]

I don't want them to rush a trade and get an inferior player. I'd also prefer they not cut a player as that would hurt their trade flexibility. I think they should just make do for a few weeks, make the best trade they can as the trade deadline approaches, and then watch for buyouts after the deadline. Basically what they usually do. Most likely, the benefits of waiting will outweigh the benefits of a stopgap player.

[MR-Clutch]

Jeff Green, MGK, or Thad Young please.

[Godbama]

Thoughts on Ivan Johnson? I heard he just finally got released from China. I guess he doesn't really fit a hole on our roster though.

[Texas_Ranger]

Thoughts on Ivan Johnson? I heard he just finally got released from China. I guess he doesn't really fit a hole on our roster though.

Don't need another small PF. If the Spurs want a big get someone that is actually tall.

[DPG21920]

What about Shawne Williams? He is a plus defender who's not a great but serviceable enough 3 point shooter.

[Baam]

Bottom line, there's only one player that check all the boxes and it's JR Smith.

Elite perimeter D when engaged
Off the dribble game
Elite spacing
In his prime
Salary is even pretty low for such a player (on the other hand the risks are pretty damn high)

What's the second best option? It's a limited role player that Pop will barely play anyway... If Pop wants to prove his greatness after that pathetic Finals where he shat the bed, then tell the FO to get JR and prove to everyone you could have coached a headcase like Kobe the likes, prove that you are not just a one trick pony who loses his shit at the first sign of trouble...

[look_at_g_shred]

I know the Warriors are trying to find a back-up PG, and they have Harrison Barnes on the block. Since Mills has burned the Warriors everytime he plays, you think the Warriors would do Mills + pick for Barnes?

[Baam]

I know the Warriors are trying to find a back-up PG, and they have Harrison Barnes on the block. Since Mills has burned the Warriors everytime he plays, you think the Warriors would do Mills + pick for Barnes?

They already traded for Jordan Crawford.

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs 1st option should always be to reload or else we will probably be looking at a complete overhaul as Pop won't be interested in rebuilding. At that point we might see Parker get moved or Kawhi get moved for draft picks or pieces.

Not a lot of options out there to pick up and be effective for the Spurs. Spurs will probably just roll with what they have but Wizards trade for one of there SFs would be interesting.

It's time to prep for a shitty run to the all star break.

[szkorhetz]

Bottom line, there's only one player that check all the boxes and it's JR Smith.

Elite perimeter D when engaged
Off the dribble game
Elite spacing
In his prime
Salary is even pretty low for such a player (on the other hand the risks are pretty damn high)

What's the second best option? It's a limited role player that Pop will barely play anyway... If Pop wants to prove his greatness after that pathetic Finals where he shat the bed, then tell the FO to get JR and prove to everyone you could have coached a headcase like Kobe the likes, prove that you are not just a one trick pony who loses his shit at the first sign of trouble...

I am all in, TBH. We need new impulses. I believe this atmosphere would help him bring his absolute best. We need more scoring and elite athleticism. He would be an excellent fit

[look_at_g_shred]

They already traded for Jordan Crawford.
True. I saw they were after Hinrich and were willing to give up Barnes for him.

[cd021]

I know the Warriors are trying to find a back-up PG, and they have Harrison Barnes on the block. Since Mills has burned the Warriors everytime he plays, you think the Warriors would do Mills + pick for Barnes?

Not a chance. Barnes still has some value. Moving him for a pick that's in the 26-30 range and Mils, a player who is playing about 15mpg would be a failure, considering he was drafted 7th last season.

[Kyuui-Musikq]

Regarding the SF issue, trade isn't the only option.

An easy choice will be to cut an end of the bench player with a n expiring contract (Baynes, De Colo or Thomas) and then sign a player. It could be a vet or a D-League player. In the D-League, the best SF seems to be clearly Ebanks.


What about Shawne Williams? He is a plus defender who's not a great but serviceable enough 3 point shooter.

One of the two is going me up being signed I think. The other best SFs, as ranked by Ridiculous Upside, are more 4s then legit 3s

[cd021]

True. I saw they were after Hinrich and were willing to give up Barnes for him.

The Bulls have multiple picks (depending on whether the 'Cats and Cavs picks are top 12, if they aren't both go to Chicago this draft) I think they could make a move for him on draft night if he is still on the Warriors and they have multiple picks to move.

[BatManu20]

R.C Buford should be trying really hard to land either Thaddeus Young or Trevor Ariza without having to give up Diaw.

[szkorhetz]

Not a chance. Barnes still has some value. Moving him for a pick that's in the 26-30 range and Mils, a player who is playing about 15mpg would be a failure, considering he was drafted 7th last season.

Barnes>>>Leonard, TBH.

[ace3g]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231630/Mickael-Pietrus-Talking-To-NBA-Teams-Remains-Uninterested-In-Overseas-Offers

[Aremid]

Bottom line, there's only one player that check all the boxes and it's JR Smith.

Elite perimeter D when engaged
Off the dribble game
Elite spacing
In his prime
Salary is even pretty low for such a player (on the other hand the risks are pretty damn high)

What's the second best option? It's a limited role player that Pop will barely play anyway... If Pop wants to prove his greatness after that pathetic Finals where he shat the bed, then tell the FO to get JR and prove to everyone you could have coached a headcase like Kobe the likes, prove that you are not just a one trick pony who loses his shit at the first sign of trouble...

amen!!!

[Raven]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231630/Mickael-Pietrus-Talking-To-NBA-Teams-Remains-Uninterested-In-Overseas-Offers

he'd be absolutely perfect tbh, i don't know in what condition he's in though.

[Dverde]

Bonner for Dunleavy trade makes sense for both sides. He can back up Leonard when he returns. Great 3pt shooter. I get the feeling that the Spurs will make a trade this year.

[TheGoldStandard]

The really alarming and worrying thing that I take away from this season is how very little changed from last year and the off season when there were gaping holes that we needed help at. This is essentially Duncan's last hurrah and players on the team know this yet the front office treats each season as if they can take on projects to help the Spurs long term knowing full well that we have a small window before it all comes crashing down. We sign Marco in the off season which was fine, we got him for Peanuts but Ayres for what purpose? He's not a defensive big he's just a project. Spurs didn't plan for a backup SF who they desperately needed, someone with athleticism and height because that's what we'll be facing in the playoffs, a true backup PF/C who is a defensive presence who snags rebounds and maybe blocks shots that way we can get going on transition. Spurs record is still great and all but like most point out this is the regular season and the fact that with all these injuries we're coasting through the season doesn't mean squat.

Without a true backup SF or a bench big that can help defend and snag rebounds we're going to be facing teams that will ramp up there defense in the playoffs while continuing to play there young starters for long periods of time which we cannot sustain. This is what the front office is giving Tim in his last hurrah and it's pretty insignificant, I shutter to think what the Spurs front office will do when they actually have to go out and get talent in order to field a team, something they've really never had to do because we were lucky enough to draft David and Tim, Manu and Parker and Kawhi.

[Johnny RIngo]

We sign Marco in the off season which was fine, we got him for Peanuts but Ayres for what purpose? He's not a defensive big he's just a project.

The most embarrassing thing about Ayres is that he's a 27 year old project big. Only Spurs would waste their time trying to develop someone so old. He even admitted that he never learned how to properly catch a basketball until this season. He's practicing with tennis balls at the moment. :lol

[TheGoldStandard]

The most embarrassing thing about Ayres is that he's a 27 year old project big. Only Spurs would waste their time trying to develop someone so old. He even admitted that he never learned how to properly catch a basketball until this season. He's practicing with tennis balls at the moment. :lol

And they brought vets into camp and then cut them but yet Ayres was good enough to get minutes despite his lack of skills

[elemento]

Caron Butler has been complaining about his role/PT with the Bucks. The FO has always liked him. Obviously not our savior at this point of his career, but he could be a decent starter until Leonard gets back and a decent backup SF later. He is an expiring, so he wouldn't hurt SA long-term and I think SA could land him for cheap.

Not sure what kind of package they would ask though.

[Robz4000]

Butler's done tbh. He'd be a solid buyout candidate but I wouldn't trade for him.

[Big P]

I just read an article about Caron Butler...he loves to be playing in Milwaukee...he's home...he told the owner and the coach he wants to finish his career there. Next.

[elemento]

Funny because I read an article (last week) and he said exactly the opposite

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/17/caron-butler-not-thrilled-with-limited-roll-of-bench-for-bucks/

Anyway, just another "meh" option considering that all we have to offer is "meh" as well.

The truth is: SA won't find starting material players for their garbage. I just hope that the FO finds someone better than Jeffers.

[Big P]

http://host.madison.com/sports/basketball/butler-happy-to-be-in-milwaukee/article_be8b815c-2793-5c67-b729-8a35fec60a1c.html

[elemento]

So basically he says one thing a week ago and now he completely changed his mind :lol

Anyway, thanks for new the info !

[Chinook]

Well, he said he wanted to stay even in that article you posted. He is unhappy about playing time, but not enough to leave.

[elemento]

Fair enough

Trying to figure out what kind of players SA could get using Bonner's expiring, Nando and our 1st round pick. Another guy that I like to be a 3 and a small-ball 4 is Wilson Chandler. But I think it would take more to land him.

[Chinook]

I like Chandler a lot, because he can play positions. He can also shoot, drive, rebound and defend. I'd trade anything that wasn't the Core Six and Diaw.

[TheCerebral1]

Bringing up Howard makes some sense. He could easily play minimal minutes as Tracy did last year. He's not too old. Pietrus would be an alright additon as well. Ebanks/Gomes/Damian James?

[Strategic]

Fair enough

Trying to figure out what kind of players SA could get using Bonner's expiring, Nando and our 1st round pick. Another guy that I like to be a 3 and a small-ball 4 is Wilson Chandler. But I think it would take more to land him.Channing Frye?

[TheCerebral1]

Channing Frye?

Pretty good name, but I doubt the surging Suns would move him. Though he'd be a nice fit on the Spurs at the moment.

[Baam]

Splitter + Beli for Ben Gordon and Cody Zeller + 2014 first (one or two, dunno)

[tmtcsc]

Fair enough

Trying to figure out what kind of players SA could get using Bonner's expiring, Nando and our 1st round pick. Another guy that I like to be a 3 and a small-ball 4 is Wilson Chandler. But I think it would take more to land him.

:tu I was hoping we could pick him up last year. I think he' be solid for Spurs.

[exstatic]

Pretty good name, but I doubt the surging Suns would move him. Though he'd be a nice fit on the Spurs at the moment.

I think he's their primary FA target this summer. Prepare for the ST meltdown.

[exstatic]

Caron Butler has been complaining about his role/PT with the Bucks. The FO has always liked him. Obviously not our savior at this point of his career, but he could be a decent starter until Leonard gets back and a decent backup SF later. He is an expiring, so he wouldn't hurt SA long-term and I think SA could land him for cheap.

Not sure what kind of package they would ask though.

He would have the SAME role here, and Pop doesn't like complainers. THINK, PEOPLE.

[DPG21920]

People tend to complain about PT when they are on a losing team. If you are losing, you need to do something different. Even if his role was the same on the Spurs, because they win/are winning it's much harder to complain because of the results (unless you are Stephen Jackson).

[DPG21920]

I think I am convinced that the Spurs should target another scorer. Someone who can create off the dribble and get to the rim with some sort of consistency. Basically, an aggressive RJ type player.

[xmas1997]

I think I am convinced that the Spurs should target another scorer. Someone who can create off the dribble and get to the rim with some sort of consistency. Basically, an aggressive RJ type player.

I agree with you. It would give them more versatility.

[Chinook]

I think I am convinced that the Spurs should target another scorer. Someone who can create off the dribble and get to the rim with some sort of consistency. Basically, an aggressive RJ type player.

Huh? How you got that from watching the game today is beyond me.

[TheGoldStandard]

Shop everyone

[DPG21920]

Huh? How you got that from watching the game today is beyond me.

Well, the reason it appears to be beyond you was because you think I've reached this conclusion based on this game when I have not.

[RD2191]

We should of gone after a chucker with talent, Tyreke Evans, Monta Ellis type of player.

[TheGoldStandard]

Need to start thinking about draft picks and not so much trades. Nobody is coming to san Antonio to play under pop unless they can't get a sniff by other teams and live in the d league or if they have outlived there usefulness on another team

[Chinook]

Well, the reason it appears to be beyond you was because you think I've reached this conclusion based on this game when I have not.

Maybe, but still, I disagree. They need the New Two back in the lineup. After that, there's no room for a scorer unless Beli is moved. That seems like a wash offensively. Sure, Wilson Chandler would be cool, but how can he and Beli both get enough minutes?

[DPG21920]

Beli is not untouchable nor a huge net positive IMO. He's very useful in the right role, so I am not advocating losing him. However, Manu is a guy that could stand to lose minutes if his trajectory remains (much like last year). Also, I am operating under the assumption that Spurs will have plenty of series where they can play small ball with Kawhi at PF.

Point is, even if there aren't a lot of traditional minutes available, the Spurs really lack a 2nd scorer who can create/get to the rim.

[TheGoldStandard]

Beli is not untouchable nor a huge net positive IMO. He's very useful in the right role, so I am not advocating losing him. However, Manu is a guy that could stand to lose minutes if his trajectory remains (much like last year). Also, I am operating under the assumption that Spurs will have plenty of series where they can play small ball with Kawhi at PF.

Point is, even if there aren't a lot of traditional minutes available, the Spurs really lack a 2nd scorer who can create/get to the rim.

Now if they can only get Pop on board with that

[Baam]

Need to start thinking about draft picks and not so much trades. Nobody is coming to san Antonio to play under pop unless they can't get a sniff by other teams and live in the d league or if they have outlived there usefulness on another team

This, need to trade for picks...

Beli, Splitter and Mills should be on the block with the expirings, their value is low in the POs since they only play one end... Picks and better balance is what they should go for... The Spurs need two way players so badly and the best way to find them is in the draft...

Wallace + picks for Splitter
JR Smith for Beli + Bonner

[SpursRock20]

This, need to trade for picks...

Beli, Splitter and Mills should be on the block with the expirings, their value is low in the POs since they only play one end... Picks and better balance is what they should go for... The Spurs need two way players so badly and the best way to find them is in the draft...

Wallace + picks for Splitter
JR Smith for Beli + Bonner

Seriously? Picks should not be what the Spurs are going after. There will be plenty of time to get high picks once Duncan retires. You don't throw away the rest of Duncan's career for "picks".

[DPG21920]

I will say this - I think that getting another solid defensive player is very important, especially at SF but also PF too. However, if the Spurs have a shot to land an offensive creator, especially one that can create for himself, I would be in favor of that too.

[ChumpDumper]

Wallace + picks for SplitterGerald Wallace?

I thought you wanted two-way players.

[RD2191]

The problem is offense, 5 straight brick equals 10 easy points for the Heat. What has Spoelstra been saying these past few games for the Heat? He said our offense will help our defense. Think about that for a second and it starts to make sense. Sure, our offense looks great against scrub teams, but when we play upper tier teams our lack of individual talents is a glaring hole.

[Baam]

Gerald Wallace?

I thought you wanted two-way players.

Well the bulk of the minutes would go to Smith but we get picks and I believe Wallace can be a decent small ball option...

[td4mvp2k]

Deculo on the team is lol when they have a greater need

[TheGoldStandard]

Seriously? Picks should not be what the Spurs are going after. There will be plenty of time to get high picks once Duncan retires. You don't throw away the rest of Duncan's career for "picks".

Front office has already done a great job of throwing away the rest of Duncan's career. We had holes in the off season that would have helped the team now and we didn't address them, instead we got Project Ayres and nobody to fill in the SF backup role. In the Finals and against really good teams we lack a 2nd scorer who can create there own shot, still don't have that either.

[ChumpDumper]

Well the bulk of the minutes would go to Smith but we get picks and I believe Wallace can be a decent small ball option...Doesn't seem compelling enough to break the trading tall for small rule.

[Chinook]

Beli is not untouchable nor a huge net positive IMO. He's very useful in the right role, so I am not advocating losing him. However, Manu is a guy that could stand to lose minutes if his trajectory remains (much like last year). Also, I am operating under the assumption that Spurs will have plenty of series where they can play small ball with Kawhi at PF.

Point is, even if there aren't a lot of traditional minutes available, the Spurs really lack a 2nd scorer who can create/get to the rim.

Ideas on who to target? Honestly, I can't see any two-guard being helpful. Maybe a good scoring point guard like Sessions. Mo Williams woulf have been a better get than Beli, in my opinion, then the team could have tried for a defensive three to round out the rotation.

[SpursRock20]

Front office has already done a great job of throwing away the rest of Duncan's career. We had holes in the off season that would have helped the team now and we didn't address them, instead we got Project Ayres and nobody to fill in the SF backup role. In the Finals and against really good teams we lack a 2nd scorer who can create there own shot, still don't have that either.
I agree that some of the moves during the off-season were very questionable. On the bright side, we do have assets to pick up another piece heading into the postseason.

[cdcast]

There's not a lot of options out there right now. Teams like the Wizard and Raptors are thinking playoffs, Ariza and Johnson aren't getting traded.
Is it time to gamble on a player like Smith?

[DPG21920]

Ideas on who to target? Honestly, I can't see any two-guard being helpful. Maybe a good scoring point guard like Sessions. Mo Williams woulf have been a better get than Beli, in my opinion, then the team could have tried for a defensive three to round out the rotation.

Not anyone that makes sense when start factoring in money that I can think of. Even without money, the guys available seemingly are questionable (Eric Gordon, Tyreke Evans, JR Smith..)

[TheGoldStandard]

I agree that some of the moves during the off-season were very questionable. On the bright side, we do have assets to pick up another piece heading into the postseason.

Ideally I don't see a 2nd piece coming in at the deadline past the halfway point of the season that will contribute in the Playoffs, not that they can't but Pop won't give them much burn. He'll simply play them solid minutes to finish out the season and then he'll bench them in the playoffs for no reason to go with regular rotations, like Ayres.

[SpursRock20]

Ideally I don't see a 2nd piece coming in at the deadline past the halfway point of the season that will contribute in the Playoffs, not that they can't but Pop won't give them much burn. He'll simply play them solid minutes to finish out the season and then he'll bench them in the playoffs for no reason to go with regular rotations, like Ayres.

If Ayres is still in the rotation once the playoffs roll around, the Spurs FO messed up. I hope they recognize that Ayres is nothing special and has never proven to be a solid rotational player in the NBA, let alone, the playoffs.

[TheGoldStandard]

If Ayres is still in the rotation once the playoffs roll around, the Spurs FO messed up. I hope they recognize that Ayres is nothing special and has never proven to be a solid rotational player in the NBA, let alone, the playoffs.

I don't see any other way around it unless they're going to play Kawhi at the 4 for a good portion of the rotations.. Duncan and Tiago and Diaw with Ayres there to spell both Duncan and Tiago.. The Spurs don't recognize anything until after the fact and by then it's usually too late to correct anything.

[SpursRock20]

I don't see any other way around it unless they're going to play Kawhi at the 4 for a good portion of the rotations.. Duncan and Tiago and Diaw with Ayres there to spell both Duncan and Tiago.. The Spurs don't recognize anything until after the fact and by then it's usually too late to correct anything.
I hope not. The major flaw in Ayres game is that when he is paired up with Ginobili, he makes way too many mistakes. Ginobili prides himself in hitting the big man for easy shots around the basket but Ayres doesn't have the hands nor the awareness to run the floor with him. It could be argued that Blair is an upgrade over Ayres. Gulp.

[TheGoldStandard]

I hope not. The major flaw in Ayres game is that when he is paired up with Ginobili, he makes way too many mistakes. Ginobili prides himself in hitting the big man for easy shots around the basket but Ayres doesn't have the hands nor the awareness to run the floor with him. It could be argued that Blair is an upgrade over Ayres. Gulp.

Only alternative to spell minutes would be Bonner or Baynes and we know that Bonner will come before Baynes. Again I see more small ball but at the same time I see our smalls getting tired and overworked.

[cd021]

Its going to be either Duncan/Splitter with Diaw and/or Leonard as the big man rotation maybe some Bonner or occasionally Ayers. But i'd imagine Duncan or Splitter will always be on the floor.

[Johnny RIngo]

Not anyone that makes sense when start factoring in money that I can think of. Even without money, the guys available seemingly are questionable (Eric Gordon, Tyreke Evans, JR Smith..)

JR Smith shouldn't even be discussed. He has a fragile ego and doesn't take criticism well. He wouldn't do well under Pop(who doesn't coddle players)

[HarlemHeat37]

The only trade the Spurs need is the acquisition of another guard defender/SF that isn't an offensive liability..

Again, this team already has Ginobili and Beli, I don't know why names like Eric Gordon and JR Smith are popping up, tbh..

For expanding the offense, start with running more plays for Leonard in his preferred spots and give Diaw a slightly larger role, rather than running everything through Parker and Ginobili on every play..

[Baam]

The only trade the Spurs need is the acquisition of another guard defender/SF that isn't an offensive liability..

Again, this team already has Ginobili and Beli, I don't know why names like Eric Gordon and JR Smith are popping up, tbh..

For expanding the offense, start with running more plays for Leonard in his preferred spots and give Diaw a slightly larger role, rather than running everything through Parker and Ginobili on every play..

Gordon can play the point and JR Smith is a better defender, both would be a way better fit as third guard than Beli...

[JonNOKC]

The only trade the Spurs need is the acquisition of another guard defender/SF that isn't an offensive liability..

Again, this team already has Ginobili and Beli, I don't know why names like Eric Gordon and JR Smith are popping up, tbh..

For expanding the offense, start with running more plays for Leonard in his preferred spots and give Diaw a slightly larger role, rather than running everything through Parker and Ginobili on every play..

I totally agree with getting Kawhi more involved - not confident that it will happen though - but I think the reason some people want a bigger trade is that Manu just doesn't appear to be able to lead the 2nd unit consistently night after night (even before the injuries, although was more sucessful when MAnu/Marco combo was part of bench) - against playoff teams how many good performance can we get from Manu in a 7 game series (I would set the +/- at 2 or 2.5) - I don't think we need to trade for another playmaker at all cost, but if the right trade came along that would allow the ball to be in Manu's hands less or allow him to work against a weaker defender, I would pull the trigger

[TheGoldStandard]

The only trade the Spurs need is the acquisition of another guard defender/SF that isn't an offensive liability..

Again, this team already has Ginobili and Beli, I don't know why names like Eric Gordon and JR Smith are popping up, tbh..

For expanding the offense, start with running more plays for Leonard in his preferred spots and give Diaw a slightly larger role, rather than running everything through Parker and Ginobili on every play..

None of that is the Spurs system. It's pick n roll basketball with the pg scoring or dishing

[JonNOKC]

Since this is the thread for trade ideas - no matter how crazy or stupid - I will throw this one out:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=luefy4n

Spurs throw in this years 1st round pick - maybe additional pick or rights as sweetner

[Chinook]

Since this is the thread for trade ideas - no matter how crazy or stupid - I will throw this one out:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=luefy4n

Spurs throw in this years 1st round pick - maybe additional pick or rights as sweetner

You know, that's really not that bad of a deal. Cleveland may well go for it. The only problem is that it slams the Spurs' window shut unless the team got really lucky with the bracket.

[JonNOKC]

You know, that's really not that bad of a deal. Cleveland may well go for it. The only problem is that it slams the Spurs' window shut unless the team got really lucky with the bracket.



Definitely a win now strategy - Spurs have to make choice on rather they think they can truly win one more ring in the next two years or just be happy being a competetive team and start gearing towards the post Duncan era.

I like trade because it gives us a another ball handler allowing the Spurs to run offense though Jack or Manu depending on matchups...Andy's just a tougher competitor than Tiago..and Clark can be a 3/4 athletic combo who's shown he can knock down open looks and hasn't fit in with Cavs. I do question his defensive ability but honestly dont think he has ever been with a coach/team that asked him to play defense - certainly has the physical tools to do so.

For Cavs Andy will be too old by the time they assemble enough talent to be real competitors if they ever do, Tiago can put up similar offensive numbers to Verajo in the East, and they get out of Jack/Clark contracts while getting a draft pick and a look at a couple younger players

I think the Cavs would probably want Patty instead of Cory because of expiring but they are basically interchangable for purpose of this trade

[cd021]

Since this is the thread for trade ideas - no matter how crazy or stupid - I will throw this one out:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=luefy4n

Spurs throw in this years 1st round pick - maybe additional pick or rights as sweetner

Far from the worst trade Idea, i've ever seen. But i'd wonder if they'd want to throw Waiters into the trade in place of Earl Clarke. Waiters hasn't worked out very well and is owed $ 4 million (of the teams $32 million dollars) Moving him, along with Jack and Andi would take off about $20 million dollars in cap, next season for the Cavs.

Including Splitters and Josephs deal they would have only $23.5 million dollars worth of salaries. Allowing them to resign Deng and still have a ton of cap space to make a couple of moves and build the team to make they playoffs.

Jack probably wouldn't play very much in the playoffs with Parker, Manu, Green and Bellinelli there. Andi is a very good rebounder and defender not sure he adds anything that Splitter doesn't though, but his contract runs only through next season along with Clarkes (they both have team options for the 14-15 season.)

[JonNOKC]

Far from the worst trade Idea, i've ever seen. But i'd wonder if they'd want to throw Waiters into the trade in place of Earl Clarke. Waiters hasn't worked out very well and is owed $ 4 million (of the teams $32 million dollars) Moving him, along with Jack and Andi would take off about $20 million dollars in cap, next season for the Cavs.

Including Splitters and Josephs deal they would have only $23.5 million dollars worth of salaries. Allowing them to resign Deng and still have a ton of cap space to make a couple of moves and build the team to make they playoffs.

Jack probably wouldn't play very much in the playoffs with Parker, Manu, Green and Bellinelli there. Andi is a very good rebounder and defender not sure he adds anything that Splitter doesn't though, but his contract runs only through next season along with Clarkes (they both have team options for the 14-15 season.)

Defineitly no realistic trade out there that addresses all of the Spurs shortcomings - but I do think the Spurs need to at the very least make some move that gives them a better chance to matchup agaisnt some of the lineups we will see against Thunder/Miami/Hou (I think it is almost a lock that we will have to beat at least one of these teams if we are able to make a run at the trophy this year) We have no answer for a RW/RJ/Thabo or Lamb/KD/Ibaka or Chalmers/Allen/Wade/LJ/Bosh lineup of course you still have to be able to play the Clippers or Pacers

Bottom line the Spurs have alot of good players that are one way guys or limited in terms of style of play, athleticism

[HarlemHeat37]

I totally agree with getting Kawhi more involved - not confident that it will happen though - but I think the reason some people want a bigger trade is that Manu just doesn't appear to be able to lead the 2nd unit consistently night after night (even before the injuries, although was more sucessful when MAnu/Marco combo was part of bench) - against playoff teams how many good performance can we get from Manu in a 7 game series (I would set the +/- at 2 or 2.5) - I don't think we need to trade for another playmaker at all cost, but if the right trade came along that would allow the ball to be in Manu's hands less or allow him to work against a weaker defender, I would pull the trigger

Ideally, Leonard plays 40 MPG and helps Ginobili in the 2nd unit in the playoffs, as most of us want..

Unfortunately, like you said, it may not be realistic..I just don't see the point in acquiring another wing player that needs the ball in his hands when the Spurs already struggle to run plays for Leonard(and we saw the same thing with Richard Jefferson)..

I would be fine with a trade for a PG, but not a wing player..

I'd still rather have a 3rd perimeter defender/athletic wing more than anything else, though..

Leonard and Diaw playing the 4 has produced great results for the Spurs, they can match up with any small-ball team, the problem is that Leonard and Green are the only defenders that can recover to the 3-ball and defend athleticism..

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs need a miracle, not a trade. I don't think there is a trade out there that will put them over the top, or in this case, in the conversation.

[DPG21920]

Conversation? Only thing keeping them from the conversation is health. There are no dominant teams in the West. Spurs have a very solid chance of making it out of the West if healthy. They won't cake walk it, but every team (including the Spurs) is pretty flawed in the West. Doesn't mean they aren't good, but they are flawed. It's wide open as things stand right now.

[Big P]

Healthy or not, as constructed....this team is going to struggle against OKC and Portland....I wouldn't say it's "wide open" right now...not saying we can't do it, but it is definitely going to be more difficult than it was last year.

[DPG21920]

It is wide open. As much as Spurs might struggle the other teams will too depending on match ups. While the West is deeper, there is no Heat in the West. Plenty of good teams that can all beat each other depending on who's healthy and match ups.

Now, trades can change things, but right now the West has no dominant team.

[ace3g]

Dorrell Wright doesn't get any playing time with the Blazers, Spurs were rumored to have interest in him during the offseason.

[DPG21920]

No way the Blazers trade with the Spurs IMO. It would have to be such a ridiculous offer for them to agree to "help" the Spurs that I wouldn't want to do it.

[Big P]

It is wide open. As much as Spurs might struggle the other teams will too depending on match ups. While the West is deeper, there is no Heat in the West. Plenty of good teams that can all beat each other depending on who's healthy and match ups.

Now, trades can change things, but right now the West has no dominant team.

OKC is not dominating other teams?

[DPG21920]

OKC is not dominating other teams?

No. No more than the Spurs are. In fact, the Spurs have a better point differential than OKC. But Durant is playing MVP level basketball so it may appear they are dominant. They are flawed as well. Harden being gone and having to rely on Reggie Jackson as your legit 3rd option may prove to be dicey.

If OKC were dominating teams, they would have a sizable lead over SA. They don't.

[HarlemHeat37]

Conversation? Only thing keeping them from the conversation is health. There are no dominant teams in the West. Spurs have a very solid chance of making it out of the West if healthy. They won't cake walk it, but every team (including the Spurs) is pretty flawed in the West. Doesn't mean they aren't good, but they are flawed. It's wide open as things stand right now.

Hoops Czar said the Nuggets and Warriors were better than the Spurs last year, to be fair:lol..

And no, he didn't say that early in the year, which would have been fine, since a lot changes throughout the season..he said this at the end of the season, when everybody has already seen a large sample size of every team:lol..

[Hoops Czar]

Hoops Czar said the Nuggets and Warriors were better than the Spurs last year, to be fair:lol..

And no, he didn't say that early in the year, which would have been fine, since a lot changes throughout the season..he said this at the end of the season, when everybody has already seen a large sample size of every team:lol..

Miami Heat fan posing as a Spurs fan, but really a Phoenix Suns fan who can't read or understand basic literacy? That's umpossible. And since I didn't say it, I guess it is possible.

edit... Where are my 6 year old manners, TBH!!!

[Baam]

Since this is the thread for trade ideas - no matter how crazy or stupid - I will throw this one out:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=luefy4n

Spurs throw in this years 1st round pick - maybe additional pick or rights as sweetner

I think it's one of the smartest trade posted tbh. Only reason I don't like it is because I don't like Jack, at all, especially on that contract. But it'd give us another low post scorer at the 5 (something that Splitter can't do thus he can't stay on the floor if the other team goes small), another stretch 4 to play behind Diaw (given our spacing issues that'd be so valuable) and an huge upgrade at backup PG. It makes a lot of sense.

[FireMicoHalili]

Conversation? Only thing keeping them from the conversation is health. There are no dominant teams in the West. Spurs have a very solid chance of making it out of the West if healthy. They won't cake walk it, but every team (including the Spurs) is pretty flawed in the West. Doesn't mean they aren't good, but they are flawed. It's wide open as things stand right now.
True. And with the addition of Jeffers, the Spurs are bound to go all the way this year. Go Spurs Go!!!

[jyra]

I think it's one of the smartest trade posted tbh. Only reason I don't like it is because I don't like Jack, at all, especially on that contract. But it'd give us another low post scorer at the 5 (something that Splitter can't do thus he can't stay on the floor if the other team goes small), another stretch 4 to play behind Diaw (given our spacing issues that'd be so valuable) and an huge upgrade at backup PG. It makes a lot of sense.

Varejao is not really a back to the basket guy. He scores more on P&Rs, cuts and spot ups.
This year he has shot the ball really well and as of right now he is one of the top 10 shooters from mid range at 47%:

http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerShots.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25&DistanceRange=By%20Zone&sortField=FG_PCTZone3&sortOrder=DES&filters=FGAZone3*GE*100

http://abload.de/img/shotchart_139083654571xj7q.png

I really like this improved version of Varejao. Now that he can space the floor, he would fit in nicely next to Timmy and his strong offensive rebounding would make opposing teams think twice about going small.

[TheCerebral1]

If the Portland Trailblazers were to block a trade of a bench player to a competitor because they are a rival...that's just hilarious. Wright is basically waiver fodder anyways.

[ace3g]

What about Shawne Williams? He is a plus defender who's not a great but serviceable enough 3 point shooter.

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Free agent forward Shawne Williams has agreed to a deal with the Los Angeles Defenders of the D-League, sources tell Yahoo Sports.


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The Lakers waived Williams in early January. The Defenders are the Lakers D-League affiliate.

[DPG21920]

I have no doubt he's better than Omar Jeferichardson. Maybe William's dicey past is why the Spurs have no interest or maybe he has no interest in the Spurs (would be odd, but who knows).

[ace3g]

Francisco Garcia, who owns a player's option for next season, has been dangled in trade talks lately, a source said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-power-rankings--is-the-bottom-in-sight-for-the-lakers-201037073.html

[DPG21920]

He's been pretty bad overall if you've watched them. He still has those random "Im going to hit 5 3's" games, but overall he doesn't seem to be a net positive and that's with the best defensive big man in the league backing him up. Plus, it's Houston. Much like POR it would be very difficult to swing a trade with them.

[ABC]

Because of his contract structure, Garcia has the right to veto any trade he's in. So he'd have to want to come to the Spurs in addition to all of the other hurdles to getting him on the team.

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/rockets.jsp

[aal04]

Portland have had a lot of luck against us. Last game i wont count because Green + Splitter are the 2 defensive players that we have developed to counter players like mobile bigs in aldridge and hot cold shooters in matthews (who went off against us). Im confident we can take Portland in a 7 games series healthy.

KD will cool down. Especially when WB comes back. Though it makes OKC just as, if not more dangerous.

OKC is the big question mark. Even though i think Kawhi can partially nullify KD, and Green can play D on WB, they have Perkins/Ibaka who are too much for Duncan alone and this series is when we need Splitter to start growing hair on his balls. I give us 65% over Portland and 45% against OKC.

[TheGoldStandard]

I don't see any SF's that we could trade for with the amount of cap space we have and players that we have to offer that will improve our situation this season. Best bet would be to package some of our expiring contracts and focus on getting some draft picks to either move later to get a better pick or draft length and defense.

Spurfan has a lot of nostalgia and loyalty to players, they fall in love with someone and don't want to get rid of them. This off season there needs to be drastic cuts in order to afford athletic players who can play defense to get this team over the hump. Timmy has a player option, I simply ask him how important winning one before he's out the door goes, cut that 10M into a 3M deal, I don't know if they can restructure Manu's but that 7Mil is gonna be a big chunk of change. Splitter's deal is utter garbage but I doubt anyone would want that deal for his paper mache body.

[palangi]

I don't see any SF's that we could trade for with the amount of cap space we have and players that we have to offer that will improve our situation this season. Best bet would be to package some of our expiring contracts and focus on getting some draft picks to either move later to get a better pick or draft length and defense.

Spurfan has a lot of nostalgia and loyalty to players, they fall in love with someone and don't want to get rid of them. This off season there needs to be drastic cuts in order to afford athletic players who can play defense to get this team over the hump. Timmy has a player option, I simply ask him how important winning one before he's out the door goes, cut that 10M into a 3M deal, I don't know if they can restructure Manu's but that 7Mil is gonna be a big chunk of change. Splitter's deal is utter garbage but I doubt anyone would want that deal for his paper mache body.
I don't agree. I would do something like this and I think washington might as well. 3 out of the 4 players are expiring contracts, with joseph being the only one with 2 years left. but he gives them a solid backup PG for wall.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=me3k4lo

Washington gets:
Bonner
Joseph

Spurs get:
Jan vesely PF/C 7'
Chris Singleton SF/PF 6'9"

With this trade it is not a block buster. but we are looking at two young kids (25 &24) that bring size, length, and athleticism to our team. something we lack and need. Both are obviously brought in as backups and role players. Singleton is shooting 43% on the season from 3. He is very athletic and has great length with a 7'1" wing span. Neither player is playing much right now for washington either. But for the right amount of time given they could be very useful. vesely is a good rebounder with tremendous length. and could use chip england to help him out. as his form isn't very bad on his shot. just needs some tweeks. Singleton also gives us a guy on the bench that could be utilized as a small 4 as well.

PG- parker, mills, de colo
SG- bellineli, manu, green
SF- leonard, singleton
PF- duncan, diaw, vesely
C- splitter, ayers, baynes

[ChumpDumper]

I don't see any SF's that we could trade for with the amount of cap space we have and players that we have to offer that will improve our situation this season. Best bet would be to package some of our expiring contracts and focus on getting some draft picks to either move later to get a better pick or draft length and defense.

Spurfan has a lot of nostalgia and loyalty to players, they fall in love with someone and don't want to get rid of them. This off season there needs to be drastic cuts in order to afford athletic players who can play defense to get this team over the hump. Timmy has a player option, I simply ask him how important winning one before he's out the door goes, cut that 10M into a 3M deal, I don't know if they can restructure Manu's but that 7Mil is gonna be a big chunk of change. Splitter's deal is utter garbage but I doubt anyone would want that deal for his paper mache body.This will never happen.

[TheGoldStandard]

I don't agree. I would do something like this and I think washington might as well. 3 out of the 4 players are expiring contracts, with joseph being the only one with 2 years left. but he gives them a solid backup PG for wall.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=me3k4lo

Washington gets:
Bonner
Joseph

Spurs get:
Jan vesely PF/C 7'
Chris Singleton SF/PF 6'9"

With this trade it is not a block buster. but we are looking at two young kids (25 &24) that bring size, length, and athleticism to our team. something we lack and need. Both are obviously brought in as backups and role players. Singleton is shooting 43% on the season from 3. He is very athletic and has great length with a 7'1" wing span. Neither player is playing much right now for washington either. But for the right amount of time given they could be very useful. vesely is a good rebounder with tremendous length. and could use chip england to help him out. as his form isn't very bad on his shot. just needs some tweeks. Singleton also gives us a guy on the bench that could be utilized as a small 4 as well.

PG- parker, mills, de colo
SG- bellineli, manu, green
SF- leonard, singleton
PF- duncan, diaw, vesely
C- splitter, ayers, baynes

I don't disagree with the idea of the trade, gets rid of guys who play one way and gives us youth and athleticism but it's not for this season. It would take at least a solid camp and some season to get these guys accustomed to the system and focused on both ends of the court coming from Wizards. This is a move you make if you're preparing for 2015 and beyond.

[Hoops Czar]

I'm not sure why everybody is trying to forcefeed Bonner down Washington's throat. They don't want him.

[DPG21920]

I've said it before IIRC, but I would absolutely take on Kyle Lowry if it meant you were able to get Amir too. I would give up a first round pick as well even with no guarantee that Kyle would re-sign. Would solve a lot of issues.

[Darius Bieber]

Is Josh Howard at SF a no go, then?

[Seventyniner]

I've said it before IIRC, but I would absolutely take on Kyle Lowry if it meant you were able to get Amir too. I would give up a first round pick as well even with no guarantee that Kyle would re-sign. Would solve a lot of issues.

That would immediately solve two of the three biggest needs: defensive starter at PF with range (lets Splitter come off the bench with Diaw) and backup PG, of course backup SF being the other.

That's $12.75M combined for them. Looks like the Spurs would have to send out at least $8.3M, right? I think the rule is salaries match to within 50% plus $250K for non-taxpaying teams. Bonner is obvious ($4M) but the other $4+M has to come from somewhere. I don't think the Spurs have the assets to pull it off; a 1st-rounder in the 25-28 range isn't all that appealing. We also have to hope that the Raptors start losing bad to be willing to deal two key players.

Now if you're talking about trading Splitter...

[DPG21920]

Assuming TOR only wants a first rounder and can't get any actual basketball assets, it would likely have to be De Colo/Bonner + either Boris or Danny Green.

[SpurPadre]

I'm not sure why everybody is trying to forcefeed Bonner down Washington's throat. They don't want him.
The devil doesn't want him either but why the fuck are we cursed to have him?

[TheGoldStandard]

Is Josh Howard at SF a no go, then?

If he showed the slightest indication that he was worth anything the Spurs would immediately waive him for a 6'3 SF

[TheGoldStandard]

That would immediately solve two of the three biggest needs: defensive starter at PF with range (lets Splitter come off the bench with Diaw) and backup PG, of course backup SF being the other.

That's $12.75M combined for them. Looks like the Spurs would have to send out at least $8.3M, right? I think the rule is salaries match to within 50% plus $250K for non-taxpaying teams. Bonner is obvious ($4M) but the other $4+M has to come from somewhere. I don't think the Spurs have the assets to pull it off; a 1st-rounder in the 25-28 range isn't all that appealing. We also have to hope that the Raptors start losing bad to be willing to deal two key players.

Now if you're talking about trading Splitter...

Splitter looks like a good deal right now but if Duncan't continued drop off doesn't slow down and he's even slower defensively next year I think we'll start to view Splitter's deal as an albatross. Too much money for what he does and gives/minutes.

[Chinook]

That would immediately solve two of the three biggest needs: defensive starter at PF with range (lets Splitter come off the bench with Diaw) and backup PG, of course backup SF being the other.

That's $12.75M combined for them. Looks like the Spurs would have to send out at least $8.3M, right? I think the rule is salaries match to within 50% plus $250K for non-taxpaying teams. Bonner is obvious ($4M) but the other $4+M has to come from somewhere. I don't think the Spurs have the assets to pull it off; a 1st-rounder in the 25-28 range isn't all that appealing. We also have to hope that the Raptors start losing bad to be willing to deal two key players.

Now if you're talking about trading Splitter...

Good take. That'd be about the only way I'd trade Splitter. I think the Spurs could trade Tiago to Atlanta for the appropriate assets and redirect them to Toronto.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kfqgaxl

Add Noguiera and a Spurs first to that. Or add in Fields for Daye and send Bonner out as well on lieu of the first. If Bonner stays, he and Joseph or Mills might fetch something decent.

[Chinook]

Splitter looks like a good deal right now but if Duncan't continued drop off doesn't slow down and he's even slower defensively next year I think we'll start to view Splitter's deal as an albatross. Too much money for what he does and gives/minutes.

If Duncan keeps falling off, he'll be benched in favor of Splitter more and more. Pop has already shown he will do that. Simply put, the team won't give up a title just to give Tim a bunch or minutes. Anyway, Tiago won't be benched due to Tim's slowness on defense. It's about Tim no longer spacing the floor. Duncan's slowess on D is exactly why Splitter is valuable.

[TheGoldStandard]

How pissed would anyone be if they stood pat this next offseason, re-signed Bonner and extended offers to our expirings?

[Chinook]

How pissed would anyone be if they stood pat this next offseason, re-signed Bonner and extended offers to our expirings?

Depends on how this season finished. If they ring, the FO can do what they damn well please for all I care.

[TheGoldStandard]

If Duncan keeps falling off, he'll be benched in favor of Splitter more and more. Pop has already shown he will do that. Simply put, the team won't give up a title just to give Tim a bunch or minutes. Anyway, Tiago won't be benched due to Tim's slowness on defense. It's about Tim no longer spacing the floor. Duncan's slowess on D is exactly why Splitter is valuable.
I don't want a pairing of Diaw and Splitter or Splitter and Ayres.

[Chinook]

I don't want a pairing of Diaw and Splitter or Splitter and Ayres.

Well, that's your fault.

[ElNono]

How pissed would anyone be if they stood pat this next offseason, re-signed Bonner and extended offers to our expirings?

Bonner and DeColo would be the biggest aggravating extensions.

The rest are Diaw, Mills (which I would like back) and convincing TD to play one more year.

Can't say too pissed.

[cd021]

Splitter looks like a good deal right now but if Duncan't continued drop off doesn't slow down and he's even slower defensively next year I think we'll start to view Splitter's deal as an albatross. Too much money for what he does and gives/minutes.

Thats an interesting point. He is currently getting payed $10.2 million for 20 minutes of work. Diaw is logging about 24 mpg for about 5 million. At the moment it seems that Duncan and Splitter can't consistently play together. Instead Splitter either starts each half for about 7 minutes only to return to spell Duncan for 6 minutes until Tim returns to finish the 2nd or 4th quarter.

There is value in that though, having a rim protector in at all times is a major positive. He also is a good passer, an improved rebounder, and has shown in the past to be very good against opposing benches. He is also big enough to go small with Leonard playing the 4.

It should be noted that his contract actually is front-loaded, so he will only be making $9.5 (may be $9.2, cant recall) million next season.

[cd021]

Bonner and DeColo would be the biggest aggravating extensions.

The rest are Diaw, Mills (which I would like back) and convincing TD to play one more year.

Can't say too pissed.

Baynes is a team option. A cheap one for $1.1 million.

[ElNono]

Baynes is a team option. A cheap one for $1.1 million.

yeah, I kinda assume they're going to pick that one up.

[Chinook]

Baynes is a team option. A cheap one for $1.1 million.

Why do you keep saying he has an option? He doesn't. He is an Arenas FA. The $1.1 Million is for his QO.

[cd021]

Why do you keep saying he has an option? He doesn't. He is an Arenas FA. The $1.1 Million is for his QO.

I saw it on hoopsworld, for some reason they had it as him being a team option. I forgot that you mentioned that to me earlier.

[bluebellmaniac]

Sham is currently updating team salaries. He has updated alphabetically through the NY Knicks. OKC is next to be updated. Check it out if you get a chance.

[Baam]

Avery Bradley is a target we have not talked a lot about... The problem with him is that he's kinda undersized but if Boston doesn't feel like paying him he could be the perfect complement to TP and Manu (save maybe for the 3 pt shooting that could be better)...

Beli + Splitter for Wallace + Bradley + picks

Or Green + Splitter for Wallace + Bradley + one more first rounder than above

If Bradley gets the starting 2/backup PG minutes and Wallace gets the backup SF minutes we could move of lot of the other guards...

[r0drig0lac]

Good take. That'd be about the only way I'd trade Splitter. I think the Spurs could trade Tiago to Atlanta for the appropriate assets and redirect them to Toronto.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kfqgaxl

Add Noguiera and a Spurs first to that. Or add in Fields for Daye and send Bonner out as well on lieu of the first. If Bonner stays, he and Joseph or Mills might fetch something decent.
Lowry leaving toronto? lol, what's wrong with these guys

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I would really like to trade for Markeiff and Marcus Morris. Marcus can play the 3 and Markeiff can play the 4.

[Andthentherewas21]

So now Manu is out for X amount of time. Which need is it time to address? the complete absence of a backup SF? A creator/facilitator for the 2nd unit? Another defensive wing? A 3rd/4th big man that can play defense and/or catch a pass?

[xmas1997]

Looks like our positioning for this upcoming draft just got a whole lot better.
Next will be Timmy and Tony.
Hope we at least get into the playoffs healthy, and in practice.

[TheGoldStandard]

So now Manu is out for X amount of time. Which need is it time to address? the complete absence of a backup SF? A creator/facilitator for the 2nd unit? Another defensive wing? A 3rd/4th big man that can play defense and/or catch a pass?

Spurs draft a small combo guard in the draft or a stash in europe.. bring in some 3 string scrub from some fringe team that they didnt even throw a bone to.

[Robz4000]

Now's the time to make a trade tbh. Now that Manu is out the Spurs have nothing behind Beli on the wing.

[FireMicoHalili]

Team chemistry will help us win. FO just waiting for Kawhi to average 20PPG

[TheGoldStandard]

Now's the time to make a trade tbh. Now that Manu is out the Spurs have nothing behind Beli on the wing.

Spurs are shopping really hard for a euro player or a short sf who's natural position is SG

[FireMicoHalili]

No one's going to get traded because of team chemistry and the system :lmao I knew the Spurs were screwed the moment I saw Ayres flub four dunks in just one game

[TheGoldStandard]

I think Nando has a brother, Mando De Colo... not as good as his brother but he has some upside..

[RD2191]

I think Nando has a brother, Mando De Colo... not as good as his brother but he has some upside..
:lmao

[313]

Can we somehow trade Errors for Anthony Davis? Maybe throw some picks with him.

[FireMicoHalili]

Chill guys the Spurs are just "cruising" :rollin

[TheGoldStandard]

Can we somehow trade Errors for Anthony Davis? Maybe throw some picks with him.

It would take a hell of a lot of Heroin to make that trade happen.

[xmas1997]

Chill guys the Spurs are just "cruising"

:lmao

No, they're hurting. Better now than later.

[Baam]

TP for Lowry + 2 first rounders
Green + Bonner for Ben Gordon + first
Splitter for Wallace + 2 first
Manu to the Heat for a scrub + first

[Chinook]

:lmao

No, they're hurting. Better now than later.

Bruising.

[Bruno]

Manu injury quite change what Spurs should look at the trade deadline. They should now consider that it's a strong possibility that Manu won't be able to play for some of the playoffs.

Spurs should target a true two way quality SF/PF. If Manu is injured, he would mostly play SF and if he si healthy, he would mostly play PF instead of Ayres/Bonner/Baynes.

It's the same kind of player Spurs should have targeted before Manu injury but now Spurs shouldn't hesitate to give up their 2014 first round pick or even some 2015 cap space for it.

[RD2191]

Manu injury quite change what Spurs should look at the trade deadline. They should now consider that it's a strong possibility that Manu won't be able to play for some of the playoffs.

Spurs should target a true two way quality SF/PF. If Manu is injured, he would mostly play SF and if he si healthy, he would mostly play PF instead of Ayres/Bonner/Baynes.

It's the same kind of player Spurs should have targeted before Manu injury but now Spurs shouldn't hesitate to give up their 2014 first round pick or even some 2015 cap space for it.
Wasn't Malcolm Thomas a SF/PF? And do you think Manu's injury is that serious?

[Bruno]

Wasn't Malcolm Thomas a SF/PF? And do you think Manu's injury is that serious?

Thomas was a PF and asking him to be a rotation player of a playoffs team was a very logn shot. Spurs need someone better and more proven.

And Ginobili injury is a huge deal. He might be back on the court relatively soon but it's an injury that is happening and happening again since more than one year. The injury history:

2014/01/28 Hamstring, ?

2014/01/13 Missed 2 games (hamstring).
2014/01/08 Hamstring, day-to-day.

2013/04/17 Missed 9 games (hamstring).
2013/03/31 Hamstring, sidelined indefinitely.

2013/02/13 Missed 5 games (left hamstring injury).
2013/02/02 Left hamstring injury, day-to-day.

2013/01/23 Missed 4 games (left hamstring injury).
2013/01/16 Left hamstring injury, sidelined indefinitely.

2012/12/18 Missed 1 game (left quad contusion).
2012/12/17 Left quad contusion, day-to-day.

[Hoops Czar]

I don't think it will matter much. The defense is being picked apart against the elite. The offense has been in a state of flux all season. Players missing time due to various injuries are going to need more time to get acclimated back into the swing of things when they're ready to come back. The Spurs are out of wack on both ends of the floor and a trade at this point might actually do harm to team chemistry. They literally have less than a half a season to figure things out and the coaching staff doesn't really have any answers.

If they do a trade, it will have to be part of a threeway because the more the Spurs show of their useless D-league veteran laden, backend of the rotation, hot garbage, the less likely teams will be interested in trading for them, even as an expiring.

[TheGoldStandard]

Manu injury quite change what Spurs should look at the trade deadline. They should now consider that it's a strong possibility that Manu won't be able to play for some of the playoffs.

Spurs should target a true two way quality SF/PF. If Manu is injured, he would mostly play SF and if he si healthy, he would mostly play PF instead of Ayres/Bonner/Baynes.

It's the same kind of player Spurs should have targeted before Manu injury but now Spurs shouldn't hesitate to give up their 2014 first round pick or even some 2015 cap space for it.


I think Aminu could be had for a draft pick and an expiring, Shane Battier as a stop gap for the season but I doubt Miami would trade him unless we gave them a 1st and a player, Marvin Williams maybe.. Not a lot of players who I would take with salary considering what we'll be looking at in 2015. I love the big 3 but I love the team too, don't want to see lean years.

[RD2191]

Thomas was a PF and asking him to be a rotation player of a playoffs team was a very logn shot. Spurs need someone better and more proven.

And Ginobili injury is a huge deal. He might be back on the court relatively soon but it's an injury that is happening and happening again since more than one year. The injury history:

2014/01/28 Hamstring, ?

2014/01/13 Missed 2 games (hamstring).
2014/01/08 Hamstring, day-to-day.

2013/04/17 Missed 9 games (hamstring).
2013/03/31 Hamstring, sidelined indefinitely.

2013/02/13 Missed 5 games (left hamstring injury).
2013/02/02 Left hamstring injury, day-to-day.

2013/01/23 Missed 4 games (left hamstring injury).
2013/01/16 Left hamstring injury, sidelined indefinitely.

2012/12/18 Missed 1 game (left quad contusion).
2012/12/17 Left quad contusion, day-to-day.
Any ideas on who the Spurs should target? What are the odds that said layer would even crack the rotation given how hard it is to learn Pops system? And dang, that is worrisome.

[Bruno]

I think Aminu could be had for a draft pick and an expiring

meh player and he can't really shoot. I haven't really looked at available players but Spurs should aim higher.

[TheGoldStandard]

meh player and he can't really shoot. I haven't really looked at available players but Spurs should aim higher.

I'm thinking in terms of defensive presence and rebounding.. he had a 7-3 wingspan and height, athletic and long, good enough to run at the 3 or the 4. He doesn't solve the 2nd scorer problem but he helps with boards and another athletic 3 to run at the leagues elites.

[Aremid]

I don't think it will matter much. The defense is being picked apart against the elite. The offense has been in a state of flux all season. Players missing time due to various injuries are going to need more time to get acclimated back into the swing of things when they're ready to come back. The Spurs are out of wack on both ends of the floor and a trade at this point might actually do harm to team chemistry. They literally have less than a half a season to figure things out and the coaching staff doesn't really have any answers.

If they do a trade, it will have to be part of a threeway because the more the Spurs show of their useless D-league veteran laden, backend of the rotation, hot garbage, the less likely teams will be interested in trading for them, even as an expiring.

The chemistry argument is crap. We have the same team as last year except for Marco and Jeff. Our "chemistry" won't jake a difference even when healthy.

[palangi]

meh player and he can't really shoot. I haven't really looked at available players but Spurs should aim higher.
I like going after chris singleton and jan vesely from washington. I think we could get both for fairly cheap.

[TheGoldStandard]

I like going after chris singleton and jan vesely from washington. I think we could get both for fairly cheap.

Both could be had for very cheap but I don't know if they would succeed under Pop. It seems to be intuitive for what we need, defense, length and interior play and they can probably learn to shoot jumpers but Spurs moves seem counter intuitive

[Hoops Czar]

The chemistry argument is crap. We have the same team as last year except for Marco and Jeff. Our "chemistry" won't jake a difference even when healthy.

Marco, Jeff, and Mills who didn't play much last year. Those three are key contributors. Leonard looks completely out of sorts on many night ( blame it on the coaching staff or TP, who cares).You have lineups changes nearly every game with some playing multiple positions. You add to that one or more via a trade and you're taliking about a total clusterf....! Not smart to add additions to team that isn't gelling on either end of the floor. Putting a band aid on the problem won't make it go away. The Spurs FO has never been one to cut off the nose to spite its face.

Add to that what the Spurs have to offer and you won't net much value in return regardless. IF the Spurs can get into a threeway and net a two-way player (highly unlikely), it might be feasible with the current rotation. That player will need to be strong off the bench and eat into Belinelli's minutes (Pop probably won't allow that to happen though). However, that doesn't solve the Jeff Ayres situation or the backup PG situation. This was the exact reason the Spurs needed a true PG like Mo Williams in the offseason so the Spurs wouldn't need to be reliant on the often injured Ginobili. Mills can't run the point effectively and now they're forced to go D-league with CoJo and Nando who are even more limited.

A FO that addressed zero of its needs in the offseason is scrambling to find resolution via a trade.

[FireMicoHalili]

Some sportswriter is scouring these threads and will pick out the juiciest one to write about as a "rumor"

[cd021]

meh player and he can't really shoot. I haven't really looked at available players but Spurs should aim higher.

He fits the SF/PF need. If Splitter comes off the bench, Aminu could play the backup PF spot with Manu and Joseph/Mills. He is essentially the same player type as Leonard (obviously not a big of an upside) just bigger, longer and more athletic. He can't shoot but he can score in similar ways that Leonard does (cuts, fast break, put backs).

He is on a 1 year, $3.7 million dollar deal. New Orleans has little chance of making the post season with Anderson out for a couple of months and the Pelicans more than half a dozen games below .500. Moving a starter may help them tank their way near the top half of the lottery.

If their pick falls in the top 5 then they can keep it, otherwise it goes to Phili. Ideally Bonner + A 2nd rounder (also possibly a future 2nd rounder) would get him.

[cd021]

Both could be had for very cheap but I don't know if they would succeed under Pop. It seems to be intuitive for what we need, defense, length and interior play and they can probably learn to shoot jumpers but Spurs moves seem counter intuitive

I like Vessely but as a project. He wouldn't receive any minutes come playoff time. He is long and athletic for his size.

"Defense is the part of Vesely's game that is most likely to spark debate when it comes to his future. On one hand, you cannot ignore the terrific physical tools Vesely enjoys – his excellent size, length and athleticism allow him to get his team plenty of extra possessions in the form of steals and blocks. He's also an intense competitor who's always willing to stick his nose in to get the job done, which definitely helps. "-Draft Express

[Bruno]

By looking at different options, Thaddeus Young might be the best Spurs could realistically do. Expirings and a first might be enough to get him. True combo forwards aren't easy to find.

Another option would be to go after a SF like Dunleavy. It would cover for a potential Manu injury but Spurs would remain relatively thin and weak at PF/C unless you do another trade for a PF.

[Robz4000]

By looking at different options, Thaddeus Young might be the best Spurs could realistically do. Expirings and a first might be enough to get him. True combo forwards aren't easy to find.

Another option would be to go after a SF like Dunleavy. It would cover for a potential Manu injury but Spurs would remain relatively thin and weak at PF/C unless you do another trade for a PF.

They could get Dunleavy without trading Bonner, and then turn Bonner for Marvin Williams. Spurs could also go after MWP; he's a terrible SF these days but as some have mentioned in the past, he could be an option at PF. Even then tho, Spurs still need to find more perimeter defense and neither would address that issue.

[FireMicoHalili]

Evan Turner? Ilyasova ? JR Smith? Jeff Green? Afflalo? Tobias Harris? Thad Young? Marcus Thornton? Trevor Ariza? Marvin Williams? Brandon Rush? Jeff Pendergraph???

[DapDaGenius]

Some sportswriter is scouring these threads and will pick out the juiciest one to write about as a "rumor"

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Some sportswriter is scouring these threads and will pick out the juiciest one to write about as a "rumor"Haven't seen a good one yet tbh.

[Bruno]

They could get Dunleavy without trading Bonner, and then turn Bonner for Marvin Williams.

Bonner for Williams doesn't work salary wise but that's the idea. The issue with getting both a SF and a PF is that it would difficult to fit both in the rotation if/when everybody get healthy.

Manu injury's uncertainty makes it tricky for Spurs to work it around. They need a backup plan since manu got regularly injured but they can't really give consistent minutes to that backup plan since Manu is able to play most of the games. That's the issue if you add a pure SF to Spurs roster. When everybody is healthy, there won't have enough minutes at SG/SF for Green, Leonard, Manu, Belinelli and the new guy.

[szkorhetz]

I think the best we can get is RJ. I am pretty sure he will be waived after the trade deadline. I know your thoughts, but for the vet min he could fit right in the need. He could be effective in his 15 minutes a night and he knows the system, can make the corner three and still somewhat athletic.

[Baam]

Bonner for Williams doesn't work salary wise but that's the idea. The issue with getting both a SF and a PF is that it would difficult to fit both in the rotation if/when everybody get healthy.

Manu injury's uncertainty makes it tricky for Spurs to work it around. They need a backup plan since manu got regularly injured but they can't really give consistent minutes to that backup plan since Manu is able to play most of the games. That's the issue if you add a pure SF to Spurs roster. When everybody is healthy, there won't have enough minutes at SG/SF for Green, Leonard, Manu, Belinelli and the new guy.

Wouldn't be an issue if they didn't sign Beli... Neal could at least run the point... Now we have two defensive minus at backup PG and SG instead of one... We're worse than last year in that regard...

Whatever they do, imo they cant send our pick, we're too far from contender status, we're gonna need the pick and they should even trade for picks and be sellers right now given our situation... Take a high risk high reward gamble on someone like JR Smith and trade for picks.

[Kyuui-Musikq]

With 4 players out, I wonder if we the NBA will give us a flyer to sign another D-League player. I know a team a couple years back was pretty banged up and they allowed them to make some (or one) callups.

[Ice009]

Not a lot of players who I would take with salary considering what we'll be looking at in 2015. I love the big 3 but I love the team too, don't want to see lean years.

Who says the Spurs will get anyone good with that cap space that will get us more wins than they are getting now? Spurs could use that money on a player or two who they think would be good enough to get us back into contention, but nothing is guaranteed, and we still could end up with less wins than we're getting now. Tell me, what is the point of that? Why would that be better than what we're doing now?

All you people who keep thinking about blowing up the team and this magical capspace, wake up, it doesn't guarantee anything. I don't see why you're so quick to throw it all away. There's no patience at all anymore.

[DapDaGenius]

By looking at different options, Thaddeus Young might be the best Spurs could realistically do. Expirings and a first might be enough to get him. True combo forwards aren't easy to find.

Another option would be to go after a SF like Dunleavy. It would cover for a potential Manu injury but Spurs would remain relatively thin and weak at PF/C unless you do another trade for a PF.

So who is on an expiring that we'd most likely would be willing to give up for Young?

[Bruno]

Neal could at least run the point

Nope, he couldn't.

[Bruno]

So who is on an expiring that we'd most likely would be willing to give up for Young?

Bonner + De Colo + Baynes should do it.

[Aremid]

A FO that addressed zero of its needs in the offseason is scrambling to find resolution via a trade.

Agreed the FO screwed over Duncan more than his ex wife.

i still think you need to go for whatever you can get at this point. Lots of championship teams make critical trades during the offseason (95 rockets , 05 spurs , 04 pistons) in spite of the chemistry issue.

[cd021]

I think the best we can get is RJ. I am pretty sure he will be waived after the trade deadline. I know your thoughts, but for the vet min he could fit right in the need. He could be effective in his 15 minutes a night and he knows the system, can make the corner three and still somewhat athletic.

If he were waived and for the vet min, sure i'd take him. He actually has played pretty well. 10-15 a game. He's averaged 10 ppg and hitting 42% of his 3.5 3pt per game. If he's shooting that well on a poor team, playing alongside Manu, Beli and Diaw couldn't hurt that.

[elemento]

I'd say no to Jefferson

Jefferson actually improved a lot his 3p shooting in SA. 31% in the 1st season, 44% in the 2nd season and 42% in the 3rd season until the RJ/Jackson trade. It was never a problem in the regular season.

Now, look at his numbers in the playoffs. 20% in the 1st season and 35% in the 2 season with us in the playoffs.

Dude is a mental midget. He can't deliver when it matters. I wouldn't want him back, even for the min.

[cd021]

Bonner + De Colo + Baynes should do it.

If we were to nab him, how do you think he would be utilized?

backup small forward, starting PF, backup PF?

I'd be interested to see if the Spurs acquired a PF, that fit well enough, would they start him in lew of Splitter/ Diaw.

Bringing Splitter and Diaw off the bench with Belinelli ,Manu & Joseph/Mills. Would give us a fantastic bench, that has little bit of everything.

[cd021]

I'd say no to Jefferson

Jefferson actually improved a lot his 3p shooting in SA. 31% in the 1st season, 44% in the 2nd season and 42% in the 3rd season until the RJ/Jackson trade. It was never a problem in the regular season.

Now, look at his numbers in the playoffs. 20% in the 1st season and 35% in the 2 season with us in the playoffs.

Dude is a mental midget. He can't deliver when it matters. I wouldn't want him back, even for the min.

In 6 playoffs with N.J

15.9 ppg

P.E.R-15.5

FG%-47%

3PT-31% (Low value shooter, only 1.6 per game)

Net Rating- +2

2 playoffs in S.A

PPG-9.4

P.E.R-9.6

FG% 45.5 %

3PT% 31.8% (Low value shooter, only 0.5 per game, 3.5 per game in 2nd post season appearance)

Net Rating- -6

That was the first playoff appearances where he role was 3 & D. Not as a scorer. Its a drastically different mentality. Also in that Memphis series, no one shot particularly well. Hill shot 40%, Parker shot just 46%.

In a more limited role, one that he has had more time to adjust to, I think he could be a decent backup. Not saying 15-20, it would max out at 15 likely.

[ace3g]

Today it became known that the forward Luke Babbitt voluntarily flew to his home in the United States. A few days ago, our club has received a formal request for the player from one of the NBA, but because the coaching staff has done a great job with the individual American Legion in training, which was to bring the maximum benefit of the team in the spring phase playoffs, BC guide "NN "denied the request on his transition.

I wonder if the Spurs were that one team

http://www.blazersedge.com/2014/1/29/5356918/former-blazers-f-luke-babbitt-leaves-russian-club-to-return-to-usa

[Bruno]

If we were to nab him, how do you think he would be utilized?

backup small forward, starting PF, backup PF?


I would have him split the minutes at PF with Diaw. Who start doesn't really matter.

He would also helped indirectly the situation at the SF spot since with his mobility, he would reduce the need for Spurs to go small.

[Bruno]

I wonder if the Spurs were that one team

http://www.blazersedge.com/2014/1/29/5356918/former-blazers-f-luke-babbitt-leaves-russian-club-to-return-to-usa

Great find. :tu

Spurs could definitively be the team interested in him. RC really liked him.

[Andthentherewas21]

I'm generally not one for trade speculation, but given the amount of injuries and the success of the Spurs against higher-tier teams when healthy, I think there are enough short and long-term concerns to warrant one. Now what the FO thinks is an entirely different story. Anyways below are some of the trades which could possibly address some of our problems, particularly in regards to the need for a SF or SF/PF. (Caveat: I'm approximating most of the Spurs players salaries by memory, so minor adjustments might need to be made to allow for trades to adhere to league rules). I'll start with Atlanta and Boston, and update a few more later when I have more time.

Atlanta
Baynes and De Colo+ 1st rounder for DeMarre Carroll
Possibility: Unlikely

Reason it might happen: With Horford gone for the season, the Hawks are first round fodder in the playoffs barring the acquisition of a borderline 2nd offensive option. Baynes gives them a cheap C with a small upside and De Colo gives them savings to look forward to in FA. Really this would be about the Hawks trying to get a first rounder (and doing the Spurs a favor given all their connections).

Reason it probably won't happen: Like the Spurs, Carroll is really the only true SF they have on the team, so short of them acknowledging their ceiling for the season and looking toward the future, there is really no compelling incentive for them to trade Carroll.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/carrode01.html

Celtics

Joseph + Ayres + Bonner + De Colo for G.Wallace
Possibility: Very Unlikely

Reason for the trade: He's technically a backup SF/PF, technically....

Reason it might happen: Desperation. That's about the only thing that should motivate the Spurs to do this trade. For Boston it would mean getting out from under his albatross of a contract which is about $30 million/3yrs or so. Plus they like Red Headed guys that shoot the 3 well, so there is a chance.

Reason it hopefully won't happen: While Wallace has maintained a modest Defensive rating (104 drtg) his offense has fallen off a cliff. Hes just under 30% from 3 for the season, and is shooting 45% on his FT. Coupled with his RJ style contract, acquiring him could very well cause ST to implode into itself causing a blackhole of sadness, cheetos, and a myriad of other depressing things. Also the cap situation for the next few years would be screwed.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wallage01.html

Bonner + De Colo for Bass
Possibility: Moderate

Reason for the trade: Upgrade the backup PF

Reason it might happen: The Celtics are clearly rebuilding and Bass doesn't fit into that. This would be a strictly financial move for Boston, getting them out of the last year on Bass's contract. For the Spurs, it gives them a more proven backup PF for the 2nd unit (over Ayres). Might have to throw in a 2nd rounder to pull it off though.

Reason it might not happen: It still doesn't address the biggest needs of the Spurs (although that might make it more likely at this point) and he isn't particularly great at either end of the floor. Plus Boston might want to keep Bass around as a veteran presence for the younger players or demand a 1st rounder for him.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bassbr01.html

Joseph + De Colo + Bonner + 1st for Jeff Green
Possibility: Very Unlikely

Reason it might happen: If Boston doesn't see Green as the 2nd coming of Paul Pierce (i.e. willing to wait around until they can actually compete) they may want to get out of his contract and try to get some assets. The Spurs could offer cap relief and a 1st rounder for this or next year. For the Spurs, it provides them with a SF/PF that can score, albeit somewhat inefficiently, however his defense leaves much to be desired.

Reason it probably won't happen: Green is one of the few players that they can market at present and does seem to be in the plans, at least for the immediate future. That could change but with Rondo on just coming back and not looking fantastic, they may want to hold on to him. It also cuts into the Spurs future cap space considerations.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenje02.html

[elemento]

In 6 playoffs with N.J

15.9 ppg

P.E.R-15.5

FG%-47%

3PT-31% (Low value shooter, only 1.6 per game)

Net Rating- +2

2 playoffs in S.A

PPG-9.4

P.E.R-9.6

FG% 45.5 %

3PT% 31.8% (Low value shooter, only 0.5 per game, 3.5 per game in 2nd post season appearance)

Net Rating- -6

That was the first playoff appearances where he role was 3 & D. Not as a scorer. Its a drastically different mentality. Also in that Memphis series, no one shot particularly well. Hill shot 40%, Parker shot just 46%.

In a more limited role, one that he has had more time to adjust to, I think he could be a decent backup. Not saying 15-20, it would max out at 15 likely.

He had plenty of time to adjust cd. Two and half seasons.

11ppg/4rpg and 40% from deep in the regular season to 8ppg/5rpg and 31% from deep in the playoffs.

Marco adjusted to our system in less than half of a season. Simply because he is a good player. The system excuse to bring back a guy that sucks (especially in the playoffs) makes no sense to me.

I'd rather see SA spending more (let's say a 1st round pick + Bonner's expiring + Nando, etc) to bring someone better. Otherwise, SA is simply wasting Timmy's time with those cheap/meh options.

[TheGoldStandard]

Luke Bonner is available

[Strategic]

Donte Greene hasn't been able to make it anywhere else, maybe he would make a Spur?

[ace3g]

Looks like it was the Pelicans in regard to Babbitt

http://www.csnnw.com/blazers/sources-former-blazer-babbitt-was-close-signing-new-orleans

[dbestpro]

Looks like it was the Pelicans in regard to Babbitt

http://www.csnnw.com/blazers/sources-former-blazer-babbitt-was-close-signing-new-orleans

Too bad. He has the skill and size to be a decent rotation player if given the chance. Probably too tall for Pop.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Babbitt sucks, tbh..he looked awful with Portland..

[palangi]

Great find. :tu

Spurs could definitively be the team interested in him. RC really liked him.
Of course he would. slow, unathletic, fundamentally sound, shooter. fits the spurs to a "T".

[timtonymanu]

Good thing the Spurs weren't interested. Babbitt sucks. He wouldn't address our needs.

Portland had one of the worst benches last year and Babbitt still sucked.

[HarlemHeat37]

The only players reportedly on the block that I would be interested in are:

Low/Mid trades: Demarre Carroll, Mike Dunleavy, Earl Clark, Khris Middleton(assuming every player with the Bucks is on the block), Marvin Williams, one of Washington's backup wings/tweeners

Mid/Big move: Brandon Bass

Big(unlikely) move: Wilson Chandler, Thaddeus Young, Jeff Green(although he's highly overrated)

[Robz4000]

If the Spurs could somehow swing a trade for Wilson Chandler without giving up any of the Mid 3 or Diaw, they come out of the West (assuming everyone's healthy).

[Baam]

Splitter + Beli for Marion + Dalembert + first

[monkeypunk]

Splitter + Beli for Marion + Dalembert + first

You're an idiot.

[Ice009]

All I am going to say is, is NO to RJ. His defense also sucked in the regular season and playoffs. I don't want him anywhere near the team.

[DPG21920]

I would ask if the Spurs should consider trading Manu, but in thinking about it he's basically untradeable.

[ace3g]

22 Days till NBA trade deadline

[objective]

I don't think the Spurs expirings plus the First Rounder will get anything good. Thaddeus Young? Please. Morey's crony isn't gifting him to the Spurs for a pick in the 23-27 range, that's a farce.

No one else is enough to move the needle for a first. I like Marvin Williams, but I don't think the Spurs should crap themselves anymore for an expiring after seeing how this season's gone. That's even IF Utah wanted to add yet another young piece to their roster when they are going to have a ton of money clear, tons of youth, and actually really like Marvin, and he likes being there. He'll be a reasonable cost vet to go forward with, I don't know if they want to give him up for a late first.

No one is getting Jeff Green for a pick in the 20s. Nobody should want Evan Turner, who needs the ball in his hands. Spurs won't give the ball to Kawhi, why on earth would they give it to Turner? No one is getting Amir Johnson for a pick in the 20s. Brandon Bass isn't worth a pick in the 20s when he'd barely play anyway as the 4th big. Maybe the Spurs trade expirings and a 2nd for Ilyasova's garbage contract, but he's played like rancid trash.

I'd rather keep the first rounder.

I don't see much point in trading the first rounder any more, this season was flushed down the toilet when the Spurs refused to further develop Kawhi. Wasted the whole 1st half of the season with Kawhi, we've seen that garbage before with how they mishandled Splitter. Well, the foundation for failure was set in the offseason when the roster wasn't upgraded. But the house was set ablaze by keeping Kawhi in mediocrity.

[TheGoldStandard]

Stephen Jackson

[monkeypunk]

Stephen Jackson

If he shut the fuck up and played his role then I'd take him back but no way Pop does. He can still defend fairly well but that shot has got to get worked on.

[Johnny RIngo]

Stephen Jackson

SJax is done. Only teams that should be giving him lots of minutes are those in it for the tank.

[TheGoldStandard]

SJax is done. Only teams that should be giving him lots of minutes are those in it for the tank.

Regardless if hes done he would be super cheap, knows the system and would probably be flexible with his role. He still is long enough to defend

[td4mvp2k]

Donte Greene hasn't been able to make it anywhere else, maybe he would make a Spur?spurs liked him in da past and I liked wat he could do tbh

[Mugen]

I don't think the Spurs expirings plus the First Rounder will get anything good. Thaddeus Young? Please. Morey's crony isn't gifting him to the Spurs for a pick in the 23-27 range, that's a farce.

No one else is enough to move the needle for a first. I like Marvin Williams, but I don't think the Spurs should crap themselves anymore for an expiring after seeing how this season's gone. That's even IF Utah wanted to add yet another young piece to their roster when they are going to have a ton of money clear, tons of youth, and actually really like Marvin, and he likes being there. He'll be a reasonable cost vet to go forward with, I don't know if they want to give him up for a late first.

No one is getting Jeff Green for a pick in the 20s. Nobody should want Evan Turner, who needs the ball in his hands. Spurs won't give the ball to Kawhi, why on earth would they give it to Turner? No one is getting Amir Johnson for a pick in the 20s. Brandon Bass isn't worth a pick in the 20s when he'd barely play anyway as the 4th big. Maybe the Spurs trade expirings and a 2nd for Ilyasova's garbage contract, but he's played like rancid trash.

I'd rather keep the first rounder.

I don't see much point in trading the first rounder any more, this season was flushed down the toilet when the Spurs refused to further develop Kawhi. Wasted the whole 1st half of the season with Kawhi, we've seen that garbage before with how they mishandled Splitter. Well, the foundation for failure was set in the offseason when the roster wasn't upgraded. But the house was set ablaze by keeping Kawhi in mediocrity.

http://catsconnect.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/thumbs-aloft.gif%3Fw%3D490%26w%3D600%26h%3D420

[Chomag]

Spurs gonna have to make a move, they are about to have a full D-league active roster.

[ace3g]

Spurs still have options: trade deadline, March 1 -- Playoff Eligibility Waiver Deadline, and Euro buyout; just have to hope the right combination of players/deals become available.

[ace3g]

One of the Celtic's SF could become expendable if Chris Johnson (just signed to a second 10 day contract) continues to put up good #s and they feel they can develop him for the future.



2013-2014 REGULAR SEASON GAME LOG


DATE
OPP
SCORE
MIN
FGM-FGA
FG%
3PM-3PA
3P%
FTM-FTA
FT%
REB
AST
BLK
STL
PF
TO
PTS


Wed 1/29


vs

PHI (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/phi/philadelphia-76ers)


26-26 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400489551)
5
0-2
.000
0-0
.000
0-0
.000
2
3
0
0
0
1
0


Tue 1/28


@

NY (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/ny/new-york-knicks)


L 88-114 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400489543)
22
4-7
.571
4-7
.571
0-0
.000
1
1
0
0
0
2
12


Sun 1/26


vs

BKN (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/bkn/brooklyn-nets)


L 79-85 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400489531)
28
4-6
.667
2-3
.667
2-2
1.000
4
1
0
1
5
0
12


Fri 1/24


vs

OKC (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/okc/oklahoma-city-thunder)


L 83-101 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400489509)
24
3-7
.429
0-3
.000
2-2
1.000
4
1
0
0
4
0
8


Wed 1/22


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WSH (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/wsh/washington-wizards)


W 113-111 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400489498)
30
3-9
.333
1-6
.167
2-2
1.000
2
1
0
4
2
2
9


Tue 1/21


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MIA (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/mia/miami-heat)


L 86-93 (http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400489490)
25
4-7
.571
2-5
.400
1-1
1.000
3
1
0
1
1
0
11

[cjw]

Agreed that the first rounder is important here on a team void of any young (by young I mean under 25) talent other than Kawhi.

[DPG21920]

:wow that call.

[FireMicoHalili]

spurs liked him in da past and I liked wat he could do tbh
Beri gud opinyon ur da bhezt

[td4mvp2k]

Beri gud opinyon ur da bheztwho said it waz an opinyon... :tu

[Aremid]

You either start tanking now or go all in and get a legit starter. Cant avoid the decision any longer

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol unless the Spurs are getting Lebron or Durant, there isn't a trade they can make that will negate losing Leonard/Green/Splitter/Manu, tbh..

[DPG21920]

True - but we have to reasonably assume Kawhi/Danny/Tiago will make it. If the Spurs can make a trade to replace Manu, that would be beneficial. Especially if it's someone who Pop will trust to run offense through that could be relied upon.

[rick1991]

Roll the dice on Bynum give us a real chance

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm in favour of a trade for another perimeter athlete, I'm just saying, there isn't a trade that will help negate the D-League rotation at the moment..

[DPG21920]

For sure - only the worst would think that with this line up currently that any trade could make it better.

[Chinook]

Too bad Draymon Green isn't available. Maybe MWP will be the best they can do. I don't think it would even be that bad of an idea.

[DPG21920]

The reason I said I am fully on board with going after another scorer is because of Gino breaking down. I said I was concerned with his hammy injury last year and the subsequent results just like this year. Even though his minutes were managed meticulously, he still broke down and his shot was broken after the first hammy injury this year. Then came the 2nd injury to the hammy that will keep him out a month.

Even with limited minutes against bench players his production was unsustainable post hammy. Pop/Spurs still relied on him for offense though and when he was healthy he was creating/getting to the rim. That happened less after the injury and he cannot be relied upon IMO with this second injury.

I know the Spurs need a back up SF, but they need a 3rd offensive option and it's clear Pop doesn't really believe anyone outside of Manu can be that option. If that is the case, a trade for a legit 3rd offensive option is priority IMO.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'd rather run more plays for Kawhi, tbh..

[DPG21920]

Sure, but I don't see it happening. That's the point. Especially since Kawhi isn't here in Manu's absence to force Pop's hand in that.

[ElNono]

The reason I said I am fully on board with going after another scorer is because of Gino breaking down. I said I was concerned with his hammy injury last year and the subsequent results just like this year. Even though his minutes were managed meticulously, he still broke down and his shot was broken after the first hammy injury this year. Then came the 2nd injury to the hammy that will keep him out a month.

Even with limited minutes against bench players his production was unsustainable post hammy. Pop/Spurs still relied on him for offense though and when he was healthy he was creating/getting to the rim. That happened less after the injury and he cannot be relied upon IMO with this second injury.

I know the Spurs need a back up SF, but they need a 3rd offensive option and it's clear Pop doesn't really believe anyone outside of Manu can be that option. If that is the case, a trade for a legit 3rd offensive option is priority IMO.

I think you're spot on on that assessment about Pop, and Manu will be back to his usual role upon return. Personally, I think Pop knows he can't replace that at this stage, so that's why that won't be a priority. I think they're still looking at a backup SF, but wouldn't be surprised if they do anything.

[Hoops Czar]

The Spurs D-league talent is on full display for the whole world to see. If you think teams are lining up at the door to get their hands on De Colo, Bonner and CoJo, you've got another thing coming . LMAO if anybody thinks their going to net to a two way athlete.

[MR-Clutch]

Would Affalo be a viable trade target? The magic are rebuilding, and I don't think he's in their long-term plans, especially with Oladipo on the rise. Would Affalo be worth losing our cap space this summer? Could Bonner packaged with 2 guys out of Patty, Joseph, Ayers, and De Colo with picks, and a prospect like hanga or jean-charles get the job done?

[Hoops Czar]

I forgot all about Hanga and Jean-Charles. Drafting has been a flat out joke. They literally have nothing to show for the last four years.

[chrhawk]

The reason I said I am fully on board with going after another scorer is because of Gino breaking down. I said I was concerned with his hammy injury last year and the subsequent results just like this year. Even though his minutes were managed meticulously, he still broke down and his shot was broken after the first hammy injury this year. Then came the 2nd injury to the hammy that will keep him out a month.

Even with limited minutes against bench players his production was unsustainable post hammy. Pop/Spurs still relied on him for offense though and when he was healthy he was creating/getting to the rim. That happened less after the injury and he cannot be relied upon IMO with this second injury.

I know the Spurs need a back up SF, but they need a 3rd offensive option and it's clear Pop doesn't really believe anyone outside of Manu can be that option. If that is the case, a trade for a legit 3rd offensive option is priority IMO.

There is no one out there that is available for what the Spurs have to offer that can come in and be the third offensive wheel. Besides, offense isn't the problem even without Ginobili and at this point everyone should move forward with the expectation that he will contribute very little going forward.

As many have said in the off-season and to this point, the answer is and has been to run the offense through Leonard more. A big reason why the Spurs lost against the Heat was because Leonard couldn't consistently attack his mismatch when James switched onto Parker as they got away with Mike Miller and Mario Chalmers guarding him.

Hell, I wouldn't even mind even run plays to initiate the offense through Green and Splitter, just to give defenses a different look. And they'll have to be comfortable when they're asked to do this because elite defenses will inevitably lock on to our key players late in a playoff series.I think most of came into this season with that expectation but that hasn't been the case thus far even before the injuries.

[Sean Cagney]

I forgot all about Hanga and Jean-Charles. Drafting has been a flat out joke. They literally have nothing to show for the last four years.

Just Leonard to show, the others though naw......

[objective]

The only true strategy I can see the Spurs being able to use to improve is a bad one:

Trading a semi-protected FUTURE 1st.

If the Spurs were say, dumb/desperate enough to give up a 2016 top 6 protected pick, then yeah, they could probably add that to some fodder and pull a player that could help.

Maybe a 2016 lotto-protected for 5 years pick could be enough, but I have my doubts.

Not like the Spurs ever get over on anyone, they had to deal two firsts to their old friend Presti just to get a washed up expiring Kurt Thomas, after being caught with their pants down after refusing to upgrade in summer 07, reminiscent of this past offseason.

So would a 2014 1st + a 2016 lotto protected pick be something to be happy about to get someone like Thaddeus Young or Wilson Chandler?

[elemento]

As far as I remember, SA traded 1 first round pick (25th pick in the end) with Barry and Elson to land Thomas.

Chandler or Young are not worth 2 first round picks. So no, San Antonio's FO wouldn't be so dumb to do it and i don't think it would be the asking price, especially Young with that contract.

[Johnny RIngo]

I'd take an injury prone Bynum over Ayres/Baynes, at this point.

[DPG21920]

There is no one out there that is available for what the Spurs have to offer that can come in and be the third offensive wheel. Besides, offense isn't the problem even without Ginobili and at this point everyone should move forward with the expectation that he will contribute very little going forward.

As many have said in the off-season and to this point, the answer is and has been to run the offense through Leonard more. A big reason why the Spurs lost against the Heat was because Leonard couldn't consistently attack his mismatch when James switched onto Parker as they got away with Mike Miller and Mario Chalmers guarding him.

Hell, I wouldn't even mind even run plays to initiate the offense through Green and Splitter, just to give defenses a different look. And they'll have to be comfortable when they're asked to do this because elite defenses will inevitably lock on to our key players late in a playoff series.I think most of came into this season with that expectation but that hasn't been the case thus far even before the injuries.

I disagree (not about the assets part, but that offense isn't a problem). Getting Tiago, Danny & Kawhi and starting the right combo will take care of some defensive issues. Spurs started out pretty strong defensively, made changes to the starting line up and the defense suffered (then the defensive crew got injured).

The offense has struggled, especially with Manu's declining play after the hammy injury. When you only have 1 player who can consistently create for himself/others, it's an issue. I do understand that getting a defensive SF is important and probably another legit defensive PF. Me saying I think they need a legit 3rd option on offense isn't saying those other things aren't important. But Manu was struggling as third option when healthy (meaning post hammy recovery) and now he's injured again for a month with no guarantee he will recover fully this year. To me, that is the biggest issue now.

[chrhawk]

I disagree (not about the assets part, but that offense isn't a problem). Getting Tiago, Danny & Kawhi and starting the right combo will take care of some defensive issues. Spurs started out pretty strong defensively, made changes to the starting line up and the defense suffered (then the defensive crew got injured).

The offense has struggled, especially with Manu's declining play after the hammy injury. When you only have 1 player who can consistently create for himself/others, it's an issue. I do understand that getting a defensive SF is important and probably another legit defensive PF. Me saying I think they need a legit 3rd option on offense isn't saying those other things aren't important. But Manu was struggling as third option when healthy (meaning post hammy recovery) and now he's injured again for a month with no guarantee he will recover fully this year. To me, that is the biggest issue now.

I see your point now I just think that answer will have to come in house(unless they find a way to get someone like Lowry,Aflalo or Chandler)which is running the offense through Leonard more frequently. Though I think we can both agree that Ginobili at this stage of his career should not be relied upon as a primary offensive option.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Cartier Martin won't be re-signed by the Bulls, league source tells RealGM. His second 10-day expired Wednesday. He'll sort other options.

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I think Spurs should give him a chance, he has good size 6'7 - 220, can shoot a bit.

I think Martin could have a "James Johnson" type impact if he finds the right system.

He was part of the Hawks till early Jan so I'm sure Coach Bud could give us a scouting report on him.

[cd98]

I forgot all about Hanga and Jean-Charles. Drafting has been a flat out joke. They literally have nothing to show for the last four years.

Spurs have done well in drafting where they are drafting. We'll see how good they are when Duncan and Manu retire, and when Parker gets traded to NY. We'll be in the lottery then, when the pressure to make the right picks really count.

[cd98]

BTW, as much as we'd all like a trade that turns the Spurs into a contender, don't expect one during a losing streak. The more desperate we look, the higher the asking price for any pieces we are seeking. I think the Spurs will ride out the injury wave, and once most of the guys are back, they'll see what they have.

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs have done well in drafting where they are drafting. We'll see how good they are when Duncan and Manu retire, and when Parker gets traded to NY. We'll be in the lottery then, when the pressure to make the right picks really count.

No more draft and stash, need to get someone who is mgs ready who we can bring along. If Ayres can get a whiff then a rookie can too

[r0drig0lac]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Cartier Martin won't be re-signed by the Bulls, league source tells RealGM. His second 10-day expired Wednesday. He'll sort other options.

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I think Spurs should give him a chance, he has good size 6'7 - 220, can shoot a bit.


an SF with 6'6, better than nothing

[cd021]

No more draft and stash, need to get someone who is mgs ready who we can bring along. If Ayres can get a whiff then a rookie can too

I agree. second rounders only for the draft and stash. 1st rounders need to be ready to fly or fall, after they get drafted.

[cd021]

Hoping someone can clarify. Is their specific rules in regards to trading rights of international players? As a part of a package deal. I haven't heard anything about it.

[Texas_Ranger]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Cartier Martin won't be re-signed by the Bulls, league source tells RealGM. His second 10-day expired Wednesday. He'll sort other options.

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I think Spurs should give him a chance, he has good size 6'7 - 220, can shoot a bit.





Nah. Spurs will sign a 6'6 PF rather than a SF. Who even needs a SF on this team or a backup point that can actually run a play?

[ace3g]

Spurs still have options: trade deadline, March 1 -- Playoff Eligibility Waiver Deadline, and Euro buyout; just have to hope the right combination of players/deals become available.

Another thing helping the Spurs this year is the amount of injuries league wide. Teams aren't just looking for that "final" piece to make a push for the playoffs, some teams just need anything to get by for now till their players come back from injury. Players like De Colo, CJ, Baynes, etc might seem more enticing than normal.

[TheGoldStandard]

I agree. second rounders only for the draft and stash. 1st rounders need to be ready to fly or fall, after they get drafted.

I would have rolled with deshaun Thomas at the 3 or 4 this season same thing with jean Charles. We don't even use the end of the bench so why keep them around for nothing

[TD 21]

Generally, I'd say they wouldn't sign a player like Martin, since he actually has legit SF size. But in his specific case, I wouldn't be surprised. In addition to legit SF size, Martin is a solid three-point shooter and after spending a few months with the Hawks, has to have at least an elementary understanding of the Spurs' system. He's a sub par defender, but Jeffers isn't big or strong enough to defend SF's at this level anyway, so who cares.

As far as trades, it's the same old story. They're too arrogant, stubborn, cautious, clueless and reactive to make a potential game changing trade for a player the caliber of Young or Green, who's a lesser version. The absolute best I could envision them doing, is either Bonner, De Colo and a 2nd (or overseas rights to anyone but Bertans or Jean-Charles) for Marvin Williams or Bonner and either Ayres or De Colo for Bass. Most likely though, they stand pat on that front and sign a washed up scrub such as Howard or Pietrus for the remainder of the season after they fail to get what they want in the buyout market.

[TheGoldStandard]

Generally, I'd say they wouldn't sign a player like Martin, since he actually has legit SF size. But in his specific case, I wouldn't be surprised. In addition to legit SF size, Martin is a solid three-point shooter and after spending a few months with the Hawks, has to have at least an elementary understanding of the Spurs' system. He's a sub par defender, but Jeffers isn't big or strong enough to defend SF's at this level anyway, so who cares.

As far as trades, it's the same old story. They're too arrogant, stubborn, cautious, clueless and reactive to make a potential game changing trade for a player the caliber of Young or Green, who's a lesser version. The absolute best I could envision them doing, is either Bonner, De Colo and a 2nd (or overseas rights to anyone but Bertans or Jean-Charles) for Marvin Williams or Bonner and either Ayres or De Colo for Bass. Most likely though, they stand pat on that front and sign a washed up scrub such as Howard or Pietrus for the remainder of the season after they fail to get what they want in the buyout market.

The Spurs won't do anything period.. They will roll with this lineup, Bonner will be here past the deadline, he might get resigned in the offseason, Spurs will end up drafting 2 Euros or a Euro and some guy who fell off in college by either injury or just not developing.

[cjw]

Bonner will be here past the deadline, he might get resigned in the offseason

Watching Bonner this year in lineups with bench guys, he looks completely lost. Only way he can stay afloat is if you can hide him on D and let him hit threes. Athleticism to rebound / etc. is completely gone and he can barely run. Really doubt they keep him for anything more than the vet's minimum.

That said for this year, Pop may like the flexibility he brings in a playoff series with certain matchups when less of his minutes are with D Leaguers. His contract is a valuable trade chip if packaged with something else of value, but the problem is there's nothing to trade that anyone wants unless we take back a bad contract ... would be a Bonner + filler for an overpaid guy who can semi-contribute with at least 2 years on his deal.

[ace3g]

PJ Tucker (Suns) and Demarre Carroll (Hawks) are 2 players I wish their respective teams weren't going to make playoffs, SFs Spurs could have potentially traded for.

[TheGoldStandard]

Watching Bonner this year in lineups with bench guys, he looks completely lost. Only way he can stay afloat is if you can hide him on D and let him hit threes. Athleticism to rebound / etc. is completely gone and he can barely run. Really doubt they keep him for anything more than the vet's minimum.

That said for this year, Pop may like the flexibility he brings in a playoff series with certain matchups when less of his minutes are with D Leaguers. His contract is a valuable trade chip if packaged with something else of value, but the problem is there's nothing to trade that anyone wants unless we take back a bad contract ... would be a Bonner + filler for an overpaid guy who can semi-contribute with at least 2 years on his deal.

Bonner never had athleticism to rebound or contribute down low, he's just there to shoot 3's unless a guy is 3 feet close to him then he'll put the ball on the floor and try that nifty little hook. It's really sad that we've kept him around this long. Unless we face an nonathletic team he's pretty useless in the rotations. There's no LA this season to exploit.

[FireMicoHalili]

Just checked Hoopshype for available SFs. Apparently the Spurs don't really want Pietrus huh.

There's Josh Howard, Reggie Williams, Dahntay Jones, Luke Walton, DeQuan Jones, Gary Forbes, Devin Ebanks, Cartier Martin! Dahntay Jones, Luke Harangody.

[cjw]

Bonner never had athleticism to rebound or contribute down low, he's just there to shoot 3's unless a guy is 3 feet close to him then he'll put the ball on the floor and try that nifty little hook. It's really sad that we've kept him around this long. Unless we face an nonathletic team he's pretty useless in the rotations. There's no LA this season to exploit.

Or force a Memphis to take ZBo off the floor. But you're right - of all the other teams in the playoff hunt, he shouldn't see the court against any of them.

[TheGoldStandard]

Just checked Hoopshype for available SFs. Apparently the Spurs don't really want Pietrus huh.

There's Josh Howard, Reggie Williams, Dahntay Jones, Luke Walton, DeQuan Jones, Gary Forbes, Devin Ebanks, Cartier Martin! Dahntay Jones, Luke Harangody.

Wrong section look for slow shooting guards undersized

[Kyuui-Musikq]

I just wanna' say, It would incompetent for the Spurs to sign Jeffers to another 10 day contract, given how offensively limited he is given our present situation. They'd do better with signing a SF with actual scoring prowess and some upside at this point, then a stop gap like Jeffers.

Devin Ebanks or someone alike please.

[313]

Bruh why can't these niggas ever make a big signing? These niggas don't have cap space?