Official Trade/Signing Ideas Thread

[DPG21920]

Cojo + Mills + 2014 first for Greivis Vasquez

Spurs need to rest TP while still hunting for fist seed so in my book it's worth the rental, especially since Vasquez would be a fan favorite and an upgrade defensively at 6"6. Mills doesn't work against Reggie Jackson, he's having a great season but it feels like he's carried by the only two players that came back better this year in Manu and Boris... Cojo goes to Canada where he's gonna be a fan favorite backing up Lowry.

Then something like Splitter + Bonner for Boozer + Snell or a 3 teams trade if the Bulls don't want Tiago


Duncan Boozer
Diaw M.Thomas
Kawhi Snell
Green Manu/Marco
TP Vasquez

Gets more length for perimeter defense with Vasquez and Snell and better low post scoring. Ridiculously complicated with too many players involved but that would basically be my ideal scenario.

I am not trying to put a damper on your enthusiasm. I appreciate you love basketball and at least try to talk basketball. So I mean this with all due respect: This is a terrible idea.

[Baam]

Lol no problem, I'm just fully convinced that Splitter is RJeff 2.0, maybe it's unfair, maybe I'm wrong. But right now I'm in full panic, I see another double digit extension for a player who cant create his shot and is as soft as they come...

[DPG21920]

True, but this is the new NBA. Guys like Tiago and Asik are worth their money on teams that contend. Splitter does so many other things offensively well (screen, pass, draw fouls...) that he can still be a big plus on that end. This has happened before with Splitter. He starts playing unreal then gets an injury and it takes a while for him to regain form. I for one think this team is a bit of a paper tiger, but having said that they still possess some of the biggest upside in the league. That's just speaking about improvement from within. Plenty of guys not playing very well that have shown the ability to play much better.

[DPG21920]

Not to mention that no one as currently constructed is dominant in the West. Spurs, even as currently constructed/playing, can beat any of those teams and would be the favorite in several series. Hell, there are only two teams (HOU/POR) that pose any real match up issues at the moment.

[Baam]

Not to mention that no one as currently constructed is dominant in the West. Spurs, even as currently constructed/playing, can beat any of those teams and would be the favorite in several series. Hell, there are only two teams (HOU/POR) that pose any real match up issues at the moment.

I see 3 elite small ball teams in OKc, Houston and Miami and one elite big team in Indiana.

The Tiagologists will focus on Indiana and "advanced stats". I know. Me I just see a broken first unit with spacing issues... It's also like the Finals where Tiago couldn't provide any rest for Duncan never happened, I just hear that Tiago carries Duncan somehow.. .

But maybe the most troubling thing is that not only the Spurs like that skillset so much that they gave him that big extension but they also signed another big with the same offense that simply consists of running around in Ayers...

[DPG21920]

So in the West, you only see two teams that worry you in OKC/HOU. What are the odds the Spurs have to beat 1 of them to get to the WCF/Finals? Both? Tiago was fine and is still improving. Many guys from the Heat series should be better. You see a broken first unit, but that same unit worked last year to the tune of 25 seconds from a title. Things always look worse when guys aren't playing well, but that's my point about the upside of this team. Even without improvement over last year, several guys on this team (TP/Kawhi/Danny) have room just to get back to last years form which would go a long way to improving what you are worried about.

[DesignatedT]

Any significant roster changes at this point would probably end up doing more harm than good. The Spurs are what they are and they proved last season that if everyone is at their best that this team is good enough to win it all. The Spurs first need to stay atop the west while avoiding any serious injuries (which they are currently accomplishing *knock on wood*) and then once March and April get here they can begin to start to really worry about getting all their guys in a good rhythm for the upcoming playoff run. Guys struggling right now really isn't that big of a deal. While the Spurs certainly aren't a perfect team on paper (sure they could use another defender, more athleticism, etc.) adding a significant piece like that could ultimately end up screwing up the Spurs only advantage that they hold over every other NBA team; which is familiarity and chemistry.

[DPG21920]

Agreed overall. They don't need a star, but I do believe they need another higher end role player to really cement themselves on paper.

[Aremid]

Any significant roster changes at this point would probably end up doing more harm than good. The Spurs are what they are and they proved last season that if everyone is at their best that this team is good enough to win it all. The Spurs first need to stay atop the west while avoiding any serious injuries (which they are currently accomplishing *knock on wood*) and then once March and April get here they can begin to start to really worry about getting all their guys in a good rhythm for the upcoming playoff run. Guys struggling right now really isn't that big of a deal. While the Spurs certainly aren't a perfect team on paper (sure they could use another defender, more athleticism, etc.) adding a significant piece like that could ultimately end up screwing up the Spurs only advantage that they hold over every other NBA team; which is familiarity and chemistry.. But how is team chemistry an advantage specific to the spurs?? Okc, Miami, and Indy have been around just as long. I don't think we have that over any of those teams anymore...

[exstatic]

. But how is team chemistry an advantage specific to the spurs?? Okc, Miami, and Indy have been around just as long. I don't think we have that over any of those teams anymore...

OKC, MIA, and IND have been around together since the summer of 2002? Because that's when TT&M connected.

[TheyCallMePro]

Are the Kings still trying to trade Jimmer? They know he's a free agent this summer, so they'll trade him cheap. We could get him for just De Colo, Cojo, or the rights to Thomas.

It just made me sick when the Kings drafted Jimmer. The Kings owner wanted him, but the coaching staff didn't. He never really got a chance. The Kings are just a dumbass organization. Selfish black guys everywhere on that team. Jimmer never had a chance to get significant playing time. Those black guys weren't going to let the little white guy college superstar come in and steal their spotlight. They'd rather lose every game than let a white guy come in and show them all up.

[Aremid]

OKC, MIA, and IND have been around together since the summer of 2002? Because that's when TT&M connected.

So team chemistry won us titles ever since 2002? Team chemistry was enough to get us past the lakers in 08? They had just got gasol and didn't have chemistry with him yet. What about okc in 12? Or Miami last year?

All im saying is that team chemistry is important, but at some point it's diminishing returns and other teams eventually catch up. That's when talent is more important

[DesignatedT]

So team chemistry won us titles ever since 2002? Team chemistry was enough to get us past the lakers in 08? They had just got gasol and didn't have chemistry with him yet. What about okc in 12? Or Miami last year?

All im saying is that team chemistry is important, but at some point it's diminishing returns and other teams eventually catch up. That's when talent is more important

All those teams you listed had a once in a lifetime player playing during their prime. When you put a bunch of capable, but mediocre talent together on one roster, chemistry then becomes a huge importance... see: brooklyn nets.

[cd021]

Are the Kings still trying to trade Jimmer? They know he's a free agent this summer, so they'll trade him cheap. We could get him for just De Colo, Cojo, or the rights to Thomas.

It just made me sick when the Kings drafted Jimmer. The Kings owner wanted him, but the coaching staff didn't. He never really got a chance. The Kings are just a dumbass organization. Selfish black guys everywhere on that team. Jimmer never had a chance to get significant playing time. Those black guys weren't going to let the little white guy college superstar come in and steal their spotlight. They'd rather lose every game than let a white guy come in and show them all up.

Not sure if serious

[Aremid]

All those teams you listed had a once in a lifetime player playing during their prime. When you put a bunch of capable, but mediocre talent together on one roster, chemistry then becomes a huge importance... see: brooklyn nets.
Sure it's important but is it enough to get it done and win a title? I'm just not convinced. The last "team" to win was Detroit nearly 10 years ago.

[cd021]

Don't know if someone mentioned this already but the Clippers and Heat are apparently intererested in Andrew Bynum.

[Aremid]

Yep meanwhile the spurs do nothing while our rivals get better.

[Spursfanfromafar]

BTW, a trade that would make an awful lot of sense is Deng for Bynum + pick with Bulls waiving Bynum jsut after the trade.

Bulls will save a lot of luxury tax money and Cavs will get the SF they are desperately looking for.

Yup, $20 million acc to ESPN's Brian Windhorst, in savings for the Bulls.

But Bynum. What an asshole.

[exstatic]

Yep meanwhile the spurs do nothing while our rivals get better.

Heat are apparently attempting to complete their collection of crippled centers.

Andrew Bynum is apparently apathetic and disinterested in playing basketball on a contract that could pay him $24M over two years. How much effort do you think anyone will get out of him for the minimum after he is cut?

[FireMicoHalili]

https://twitter.com/TheBlur_Barbosa/status/414839685085556736

[cd021]

Update to an link I posted earlier about Knicks being interested in Parker in 2015.

Parker says he is willing to stay but wants an extension.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1904911-tony-parker-wants-to-remain-with-san-antonio-spurs-but-wants-extension

[r0drig0lac]

wish we could get to k-pap to backup kawhi

[exstatic]

https://twitter.com/TheBlur_Barbosa/status/414839685085556736

Barbosa is a bit of a choker.

[TheGoldStandard]

I am really expecting the league to allow some kind of lopsided trade to make a big market team more competitive.

[LittleCriminal]

Barbosa looked chubs and too slow... imo. Pass.

[cd021]

Reports have it that the Lakers were looking into trading Gasol to Cleveland for Andrew Bynum in order to save money from the luxury tax.

I'd assume they would acquire him and then decline the 2nd half of his deal.

Gasol is making about $19.3 million this season, Bynum at $12.5 (though he can be cut and the 9th and the team cave save $6.5 million dollars)

Cleveland may have to include another player to make the salaries work (Gee, Clark, Waiters) + a cheap throw in would make it work. The Lakers would have to move another player as well because of roster space.

The deal has been discussed but the Lakers probably won't do it according to the second link.



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1906732-lakers-trade-rumors-pau-gasol-andrew-bynum-package-reportedly-discussed

http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2014/01/01/Report-Lakers-lukewarm-on-Gasol-Bynum-trade/UPI-37311388559265/

[spurraider21]

apparently Andre Miller and Brian Shaw are at each other's throats, and that Miller is a trade candidate. Miller makes 5 million a year. Bonner/De Colo could work or something along those lines

[Robz4000]

Unless Miller can defend Reggie Jackson he'd be a terrible fit on the Spurs. Way too ball dominant.

[td4mvp2k]

Unless Miller can defend Reggie Jackson he'd be a terrible fit on the Spurs. Way too ball dominant.

[look_at_g_shred]

Andre Miller is a statue on Defense.

[Baam]

I'm thinking more and more about trading Kawhi tbh...

Pop is set on playing Tiago and Ayers thus the SF needs to shoots the 3. And don't say it's just the regular season, people including Pop decided Sjax became useless in the regular season...

30% 3 point shooting doesn't cut it in todays nba... He won't be considered a blue chip anymore once he gets paid so imo it'd be a legit move...

Green can be a good backup 3. You get another great shooter and all a sudden you become a scary 3 point shooting team, TP is shooting it better than ever, you have two elite shooters in the league in Green and Marco... You get a good 3 point shooting SF and then it becomes scary.

Kawhi for Terrence Ross and the Raptors 2014 first tbh...

[szkorhetz]

I'm thinking more and more about trading Kawhi tbh...

Pop is set on playing Tiago and Ayers thus the SF needs to shoots the 3. And don't say it's just the regular season, people including Pop decided Sjax became useless in the regular season...

30% 3 point shooting doesn't cut it in todays nba... He won't be considered a blue chip anymore once he gets paid so imo it'd be a legit move...

Green can be a good backup 3. You get another great shooter and all a sudden you become a scary 3 point shooting team, TP is shooting it better than ever, you have two elite shooters in the league in Green and Marco... You get a good 3 point shooting SF and then it becomes scary.

Kawhi for Terrence Ross and the Raptors 2014 first tbh...
Even though Kawhi is hugely overrated on this board, that package is nothing for him, TBH. I really think Kawhi has regressed in EVERY element of his game. I think, that the Finals performance was more of a fluke, than actual presence. He is even worse than last year's regular season and it is mainly on Pop, so solving this issue isn't easy. IMHO, he should be part of the second unit, he could produce in that lineup, while he is basically useless with the first unit. If Kawhi is really our future franchise player, we will be a lottery team, TBH.
Our system makes the SF's do nothing more than corner three shooting players and that sucks, TBH. It wasn't on RJ, is not really on Kawhi. It is fully on Pop.
I am thinking Trevor Ariza, Luigi Datome, Carlos Delfino, Kyle Korver or even Singler, or possbily having Green and Stalonelli as our starters and having Manu-Leo come off the bench, but then our defense will fall.
Not an easy task.

Edit: Tobias Harris would be an outstanding fit, IMO, much better than Leonard.

[RD2191]

:lmao:lmao

[Baam]

Even though Kawhi is hugely overrated on this board, that package is nothing for him, TBH. I really think Kawhi has regressed in EVERY element of his game. I think, that the Finals performance was more of a fluke, than actual presence. He is even worse than last year's regular season and it is mainly on Pop, so solving this issue isn't easy. IMHO, he should be part of the second unit, he could produce in that lineup, while he is basically useless with the first unit. If Kawhi is really our future franchise player, we will be a lottery team, TBH.
Our system makes the SF's do nothing more than corner three shooting players and that sucks, TBH. It wasn't on RJ, is not really on Kawhi. It is fully on Pop.
I am thinking Trevor Ariza, Luigi Datome, Carlos Delfino, Kyle Korver or even Singler, or possbily having Green and Stalonelli as our starters and having Manu-Leo come off the bench, but then our defense will fall.
Not an easy task.

Edit: Tobias Harris would be an outstanding fit, IMO, much better than Leonard.

Yeah Ross + first is probably not enough but there's not that many good defensive SF with good 3pt shooting on projected POs teams (non POs teams would just wait and hope for Wiggins or Parker).

Ross recently shut down Paul George and is a much better shooter than KY that's why he was fresh in my mind.

[Baam]

:lmao:lmao

Rob I'd rather get rid of T-Vag but it's not happening so they gotta find a solution... Kawhi has much better trade value anyway, from a moneyball perspective it makes sense imo. It's not very Spurs like tho but then again who knows, it's not like Pop never traded his favorite player because he was a questionable fit with limited upside...

[cjw]

Rob I'd rather get rid of T-Vag but it's not happening so they gotta find a solution... Kawhi has much better trade value anyway, from a moneyball perspective it makes sense imo. It's not very Spurs like tho but then again who knows, it's not like Pop never traded his favorite player because he was a questionable fit with limited upside...

This isn't baseball where you can slot a major piece in mid-season. Contenders typically stand pat, while teams that aren't competing for a title will shake things up. Don't expect anything groundbreaking at least until the end of the year. Pop isn't going to stand for anyone getting major minutes who hasn't been through training camp.

[Budkin]

Any chance in hell we could get Chandler from the Knicks?

[szkorhetz]

:lmao:lmao

When will you guys see that Leonard is not a great fit in the Pop system? How much more devastating losses do you need?

[Hoops Czar]

Any chance in hell we could get Chandler from the Knicks?

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Baam]

Kawhi + Bonner for Jordan Hill + Wesley Johnson + unprotected 2014 first tbh

Then Beli for anything, a tall backup point like Fournier would be nice...

Duncan Hill
Splitter Diaw
Johnson Gino
Green Gino
TP Fournier

Better spacing and rebounding while looking at the future...

[palangi]

Here is a trade to shake things up.

Spurs get:

Michael Carter-Williams PG 6'5"- having a great rookie year.long and athletic
Thaddeus Young SF/PF 6'9"- plays backup SF and also small ball 4. helps kawhi. rumored he is on the block.


76ers get:

Tony Parker- wants to go to the east coast. 76ers use this to sell tickets and make playoff push in east.
matt bonner- a stretch 4 to play off parker
danny green- an shooter that is needed in philly.
spurs 1st round pick.

PG- MCW, mills, decolo
SG- belli, manu
SF- leonard, young
PF- duncan, diaw, young
C- splitter, ayres, baynes

[TheGoldStandard]

Here is a trade to shake things up.

Spurs get:

Michael Carter-Williams PG 6'5"- having a great rookie year.long and athletic
Thaddeus Young SF/PF 6'9"- plays backup SF and also small ball 4. helps kawhi. rumored he is on the block.


76ers get:

Tony Parker- wants to go to the east coast. 76ers use this to sell tickets and make playoff push in east.
matt bonner- a stretch 4 to play off parker
danny green- an shooter that is needed in philly.
spurs 1st round pick.

PG- MCW, mills, decolo
SG- belli, manu
SF- leonard, young
PF- duncan, diaw, young
C- splitter, ayres, baynes

Shortly after this Duncan announces his retirement. Too much mucking with chemistry if you dump Parker, system goes out the window.

[szkorhetz]

Here is a trade to shake things up.

Spurs get:

Michael Carter-Williams PG 6'5"- having a great rookie year.long and athletic
Thaddeus Young SF/PF 6'9"- plays backup SF and also small ball 4. helps kawhi. rumored he is on the block.


76ers get:

Tony Parker- wants to go to the east coast. 76ers use this to sell tickets and make playoff push in east.
matt bonner- a stretch 4 to play off parker
danny green- an shooter that is needed in philly.
spurs 1st round pick.

PG- MCW, mills, decolo
SG- belli, manu
SF- leonard, young
PF- duncan, diaw, young
C- splitter, ayres, baynes

Jesus Christ.

[TheGoldStandard]

Tiago splitter and Joseph for Luol Deng. Chicago gets another interior defender who they can shop if they want and another defensive ball handler.

Pop gets a stretch 4/SF who can plug in play

[tholdren]

Tiago splitter and Joseph for Luol Deng. Chicago gets another interior defender who they can shop if they want and another defensive ball handler.

Pop gets a stretch 4/SF who can plug in play


yea but then you have to find body-bags for all the writers at PTR and 48moh who inexplicably love splitter.

I would do that

[TheGoldStandard]

yea but then you have to find body-bags for all the writers at PTR and 48moh who inexplicably love splitter.

I would do that

In a heartbeat, Deng is a solution when Pop ultimately goes small ball and he will go small ball

[marbles1991]

Hedo Turkoglu is being waived, any chance we could pick him up? Fills a need with a backup SF.

[spurs10]

Deng would be ideal on this team. I'm sure the FO is aware and have looked into it. We need exactly that kind of player. I'm thankful for the spark Beli has brought offensively, but it's our defense that most bothers me.

[Holden_Caulfield]

get andrew mufuckin bynum if he gets released

[r0drig0lac]

Hedo Turkoglu is being waived, any chance we could pick him up? Fills a need with a backup SF.
I would like, one thing is certain, something needs to change

[Budkin]

As much as I shit on Hedo in 2004 I think he would fit in well on this team.

[TheCerebral1]

This team needs something. It is lacking the punch that it had last season. Whether that's losing Neal or what not. I just don't see it this season. Hopefully we can add someone regardless of the spot that can definitely help.

[TheCerebral1]

As much as I shit on Hedo in 2004 I think he would fit in well on this team.

5 years ago I would agree with you. He has nothing left. What has he done since Orlando went to the finals. Hardly anything.

[Kyuui-Musikq]

Here's a trade I think would help us in all the legitimate areas we lack:

Tiago, Bonner and De Colo to the Suns for Emeka Okafor, PJ Tucker and 2 Second Rounders

Tucker is the Suns' "Stopper". A little short at 6'5 but hustles hard and competes and is shooting 4.26 from 3

Okafor is just all around solid. Decent offensive game, good on defensive game and a great rebounder.

[r0drig0lac]

Jesus Christ.
:lol

[timmy2003]

Here is a trade to shake things up.

Spurs get:

Michael Carter-Williams PG 6'5"- having a great rookie year.long and athletic
Thaddeus Young SF/PF 6'9"- plays backup SF and also small ball 4. helps kawhi. rumored he is on the block.


76ers get:

Tony Parker- wants to go to the east coast. 76ers use this to sell tickets and make playoff push in east.
matt bonner- a stretch 4 to play off parker
danny green- an shooter that is needed in philly.
spurs 1st round pick.

PG- MCW, mills, decolo
SG- belli, manu
SF- leonard, young
PF- duncan, diaw, young
C- splitter, ayres, baynes

Spurs would be in rebuilt mode after this trade

[r0drig0lac]

I doubt spurs parker go left (and rightly so), but it sure MCW would be a very good start rebuilding, the guy will be a beast

[Baam]

Here's a trade I think would help us in all the legitimate areas we lack:

Tiago, Bonner and De Colo to the Suns for Emeka Okafor, PJ Tucker and 2 Second Rounders

Tucker is the Suns' "Stopper". A little short at 6'5 but hustles hard and competes and is shooting 4.26 from 3

Okafor is just all around solid. Decent offensive game, good on defensive game and a great rebounder.

I like this idea.

Any decent center + a 3&D player for Splitter + expiring scrubs would be nice.

Boozer + Snell (Snell has not been that good lately, value is down)
Bynum + ? (the Cavs don't have a good 3&D player, maybe Delladova could be an upgrade at backup PG with his D)

[TheGoldStandard]

No more undersized tweeners at the 2 and 3 spot, we need length. Need wings who can knock down the spot up 3 point shot but put the ball on the floor with good handles.

[Darius Bieber]

Here is a trade to shake things up.

Spurs get:

Michael Carter-Williams PG 6'5"- having a great rookie year.long and athletic
Thaddeus Young SF/PF 6'9"- plays backup SF and also small ball 4. helps kawhi. rumored he is on the block.


76ers get:

Tony Parker- wants to go to the east coast. 76ers use this to sell tickets and make playoff push in east.
matt bonner- a stretch 4 to play off parker
danny green- an shooter that is needed in philly.
spurs 1st round pick.

PG- MCW, mills, decolo
SG- belli, manu
SF- leonard, young
PF- duncan, diaw, young
C- splitter, ayres, baynes

Maybe Brett Brown can pull some strings........

CIA Pop letting Assistant Coaches go to other teams to get cheap trades.

[Kyuui-Musikq]

No more undersized tweeners at the 2 and 3 spot, we need length. Need wings who can knock down the spot up 3 point shot but put the ball on the floor with good handles.

Wings as in More then 1 to fill the backup SF slot?

What your describing is something we've never been able to get. Caron Butler, J.R. Smith.

The only person I can think of that fits that description that is obtainable is Danny Granger and I can't think of them wanting anyone we have besides Danny Green.

Really though, as much as I agree we need a wing who can do all the aformentioned things, if we had somebody who did them competently he would have to start him, which would put Kawhi on the bench or 4., and I feel we would be a stronger team with a guy like Okafor, who immediately upgrades our interior D which would translate to more fast breaks and our wings wouldn't have to over compensate by leaving their men so open on weak side D

[Kyuui-Musikq]

I like this idea.

Any decent center + a 3&D player for Splitter + expiring scrubs would be nice.

Boozer + Snell (Snell has not been that good lately, value is down)
Bynum + ? (the Cavs don't have a good 3&D player, maybe Delladova could be an upgrade at backup PG with his D)

And besides the fact that Okafor has always put up steady numbers, you know he'd work his ass off because he's in a contract year, just like PJ Tucker's doing this year

[Kyuui-Musikq]

Maybe Brett Brown can pull some strings........

CIA Pop letting Assistant Coaches go to other teams to get cheap trades.

Lol Pop is like J. E. Hoover. Instead of confronting opposition he gets inside their operations

[tholdren]

ok, best trade ever... on NB2k

Splitter, Bonner, Danny Green

TO BKN

Kirilenko, Garnett, Plumlee, Blatche


Out the way RC.... here I come

[MR-Clutch]

Thaddeus young is interesting, just not sure if it's feasible.

[szkorhetz]

ok, best trade ever... on NB2k

Splitter, Bonner, Danny Green

TO BKN

Kirilenko, Garnett, Plumlee, Blatche


Out the way RC.... here I come
Bonner, Baynes, Joseph, 1st for Taj, TBH.

[Spursfanfromafar]

^^^

A lot of idiots here in Spurstalk these days.

[exstatic]

^^^

A lot of idiots here in Spurstalk these days.

[cd021]

Tiago splitter and Joseph for Luol Deng. Chicago gets another interior defender who they can shop if they want and another defensive ball handler.

Pop gets a stretch 4/SF who can plug in play

They'd still have Boozer and Gibson under contract along with Noah. It would make more sense for them to just let Deng walk than to take on Splitter for 3 more seasons. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Splitter has a trade kicker meaning that his remaining contract would jump 20%. His remaining contract following this season would jump $5 million dollars. He would be owed about $30 million over the next 3 seasons. Making him harder to trade again.

In your scenario, would Deng be our PF along with Parker-Beli/Green-Leonard & Duncan or would Diaw start and Deng would be our backup big man. Also we would have almost no rim protection besides Duncan.

[cd021]

Courtney Lee to Grizzlies for Bayless.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10247719/boston-celtics-reach-agreement-trade-courtney-lee-memphis-grizzlies-jerryd-bayless

I was hoping the Spurs could make a minor deal for him.

[Chinook]

Queer trade. Lee isn't a horrible player, but he is overpaid. Hollinger continues to make risky moves.

[Strategic]

Thanks.
Few people actually use the Think Tank part of the forum so we will also have a thread about that here.
Yeah, I posted a time or two in the Think Tank only to not be responded to like.............................................. .....in forever. Kind of gives one a complex.

[mountainballer]

the Lee-Bayless trade clearly points to a direction that wouldn't make much sense if no further trade of that kind follows.
so we can assume that every player on the Celtics roster with a significant cantract that goes beyond 2014 is on the block. (even Rondo, if a team is willing to offer something).

best bet might be Jeff Green. yes, he has 3 more years and yes, 9 million per isn't peanuts, but he will create some interest from (contending?) teams.
maybe including the Spurs. (his contract doesn't fit a 2015 plan though)
he isn't the star some thought he will be. in fact he is between mediocre and good (not great) at most. but he is a big SF, a nice option for the small ball PF and if he isn't the #1 or #2 option on offense, he will do well in this department.
he would likely cost the 2014 1st rounder and some expirings.
worth the risk? don't know. I would prefer a better perimeter defender, like Ariza or Wilson Chandler, but he would definitely close a hole playing 15 back up SF minutes plus 5-10 PF minutes.

[TheCerebral1]

the Lee-Bayless trade clearly points to a direction that wouldn't make much sense if no further trade of that kind follows.
so we can assume that every player on the Celtics roster with a significant cantract that goes beyond 2014 is on the block. (even Rondo, if a team is willing to offer something).

best bet might be Jeff Green. yes, he has 3 more years and yes, 9 million per isn't peanuts, but he will create some interest from (contending?) teams.
maybe including the Spurs. (his contract doesn't fit a 2015 plan though)
he isn't the star some thought he will be. in fact he is between mediocre and good (not great) at most. but he is a big SF, a nice option for the small ball PF and if he isn't the #1 or #2 option on offense, he will do well in this department.
he would likely cost the 2014 1st rounder and some expirings.
worth the risk? don't know. I would prefer a better perimeter defender, like Ariza or Wilson Chandler, but he would definitely close a hole playing 15 back up SF minutes plus 5-10 PF minutes.

Green would fit in nicely with this team IMO. He can play a few positions, and is a very useful player. His salary is a tad bit over, what he should make but by pennies on the dollar. I highly doubt he's available.

[Captivus]

Will Chicago amnesty Boozer?
Many teams should be interested.

[Baam]

Will Chicago amnesty Boozer?
Many teams should be interested.

Yup would be nice for us...

My dream list for the trade windows :
- MKG
- Boozer
- Snell
- Amir Johnson
- any backup point with actual defense

[Strategic]

^^^

A lot of idiots here in Spurstalk these days.They've come out of the middle school woodwork.

[TheGoldStandard]

They'd still have Boozer and Gibson under contract along with Noah. It would make more sense for them to just let Deng walk than to take on Splitter for 3 more seasons. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Splitter has a trade kicker meaning that his remaining contract would jump 20%. His remaining contract following this season would jump $5 million dollars. He would be owed about $30 million over the next 3 seasons. Making him harder to trade again.

In your scenario, would Deng be our PF along with Parker-Beli/Green-Leonard & Duncan or would Diaw start and Deng would be our backup big man. Also we would have almost no rim protection besides Duncan.

Spurs would be responsible for the 15% trade kicker so depending on when we trade him we would have to pony up 5mil to satisfy that. Chicago could keep Tiago or trade him but amnesty boozer and pair Noah with Tiago, pretty solid defensive front who can pass.

Duncan, Diaw, kawhi, Marco and parker

When Manu comes in Deng comes in at the 4 baynes or Ayres for 5, Bonner and Thomas split the other time at the 4, Deng plays sf and green comes in at sg with mills.

Or Duncan, Deng, kawhi, Marco, parker that way we can switch Deng and kawhi on best player and green comes off bench for defense at the 3. Diaw at pf and Ayres/baynes at the 5. Still can clog the paint and have shooters on the floor.

[cd021]

Will Chicago amnesty Boozer?
Many teams should be interested.

Teams can waive players, not amnesty them during the season (I'll assume you were talking about the upcoming offseason). He is definitely a candidate every year that passes. If he were to be amnestied in the off season they'd remove $16.3 million. They would have $50 million committed to 8 players (not including Deng)

[Kyuui-Musikq]

Green would fit in nicely with this team IMO. He can play a few positions, and is a very useful player. His salary is a tad bit over, what he should make but by pennies on the dollar. I highly doubt he's available.

He would be an ideal fit really but like you say, he's probably unavailable. The celtics probably see him as a cornerstone in their transition phase to back to being a play off team

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Andre Miller anyone??

The Nugs apparently are eager to part ways with him. He's due to earn $5M this year. Depending on their level of desperation perhaps this might be one trade situation where a team would consider taking Matt Bonner. Bonner/Joseph perhaps?

[SpursRock20]

Andre Miller anyone??

The Nugs apparently are eager to part ways with him. He's due to earn $5M this year. Depending on their level of desperation perhaps this might be one trade situation where a team would consider taking Matt Bonner. Bonner/Joseph perhaps?

Haven't seen too much of him lately, but if his defense is still serviceable, he would definitely be worth an add. Front office should consider it.

[Bruno]

Andre Miller anyone?

Aren't you pleased with Mills as backup PG?

[DPG21920]

Andre Miller sucks and IMO is literally the worst fit for a Spurs back up PG. Not only can he not shoot or stretch the floor, he can't change the pace nor defend with any sort of consistency. He needs the ball in his hands and operates in the mid range/post area and would not only fit terribly with Manu offensively, but be even worse defensively.

[I. Hustle]

Andre Miller anyone??

The Nugs apparently are eager to part ways with him. He's due to earn $5M this year. Depending on their level of desperation perhaps this might be one trade situation where a team would consider taking Matt Bonner. Bonner/Joseph perhaps?

Please. Like any team isn't going to jump at the chance to trade for Bonner. We should just trade him for Lebron + Birdman + $$$.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Andre Miller sucks and IMO is literally the worst fit for a Spurs back up PG. Not only can he not shoot or stretch the floor, he can't change the pace nor defend with any sort of consistency. He needs the ball in his hands and operates in the mid range/post area and would not only fit terribly with Manu offensively, but be even worse defensively.

I agree that he's not a defender, but he's always been a pretty good facilitator, and has a high bball IQ, and I'm not sure what point guard doesn't need the ball in their hands.

There's a big fall off at the point after Parker, no offense to Mills or Joseph. I love Mills, but I'm not willing to bank on him should TP go down. Miller would fit in well with the second unit. Put him on the floor with a group of shooters and I think he'd do well. Acquiring Miller without giving much away seems like a decent move.

[DPG21920]

What I mean is he needs the ball in his hands in the low block. That is not the Spurs offense. It's predicated on drive and kick and he can't do that. Not only that, Gino has the ball in his hands, Miller can't. Miller can't spot up shoot and he's really, really bad on defense. I don't see the fit at all tbh..

[DPG21920]

If TP goes down, we are screwed anyways. Under every circumstance, Mills > Miller IMO.

[MR-Clutch]

Wishlist in no particular order:
-Deng
-Mkg
-Thaddeus Young
- Jeff Green

[jyra]

I would love Thad Young on the Spurs. He has rediscovered his three point shot this season, shooting over 40% right now. That along with his rebounding and strong P&R defense make him a great small ball PF. His contract is also reasonably sized and he has an option to opt out after the next season.

But I'm not sure a package of Green/Bonner/De Colo/1st rounder is enough to get a deal done. There should be plenty of teams chasing him at the deadline if he stays this productive.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Buzz in Reno here at D-League Showcase is that Courtney Lee-for-Jerryd Bayless trade expanding to include third team: Oklahoma City


Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Word is that OKC's Ryan Gomes will be added to trade to and goes to Boston ... with Celtics then expected to waive Gomes

[Bruno]

^ financial move for the Thunder that will allow them to have a little more margin below the tax to make moves.

Thunder having a "cheap" owner not willing to pay some kind of tax has really hurt them these past years. It has especially cost them Harden.

[Spursfanfromafar]

^ financial move for the Thunder that will allow them to have a little more margin below the tax to make moves.

Thunder having a "cheap" owner not willing to pay some kind of tax has really hurt them these past years. It has especially cost them Harden.

Ryan Gomes has been a black hole for the THunder and among the worst players in the league in his previous games across seasons.

[cd021]

Aren't you pleased with Mills as backup PG? Personally, I'm not sure he will be the same player when post season rolls around. Parker logs 36 mpg for his career in the post season. Can he score enough and be less of a liability on defense to be a positive. Having someone like Miller would be a nice alternative. Has plenty of experience. He is ball dominant, but has a very good Ast./T.O ratio. The only problem is his attitude (along with his lack of spacing). He would ,likely, be an alternate instead of a backup. He was suspended for yelling at Shaw for giving him a DNP-CD.

[Budkin]

Damn sounds like Deng is going to the Cavs for Bynum.

[hoopdreams11]

Damn sounds like Deng is going to the Cavs for Bynum.

It's done sounds like the Cavs want to keep him to.

[Robz4000]

At least they didn't trade him to the Lakers tbh. I'd of been pissed if they got a couple assets for trading MVPau.

[HarlemHeat37]

Andre Miller should retire, tbh, his style of play is antiquated in today's NBA, especially considering his age..

He's a fat PG that can't shoot and can't penetrate..it doesn't really make sense for any team in the league to build their second unit around a post-up PG in 2014 IMO..

[HarlemHeat37]

Earl Clark is probably available, tbh..

He has been absolutely horrendous in Cleveland and his breakout year was more than likely a product of D'Antoni's system, but he's still a 6'10, athletic SF that can shoot the 3 and plays above average defense..

[sasffl]

I wonder whether bulls will waive Carlos Boozer

[Bruno]

Ryan Gomes has been a black hole for the THunder and among the worst players in the league in his previous games across seasons.

Yep, this is a move that don't hurt at all OKC on the court.

This trade though shows how Presti are his hands tied with the luxury tax being a hard cap for him. He is at a level where he has to do micromanage every single dollar just to sign min salary players to fill his roster.

[Bruno]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10255605/cleveland-cavaliers-agree-trade-andrew-bynum-chicago-bulls-luol-deng


the Bulls got a future first-round draft pick owed to the Cavs by the Sacramento Kings from a 2011 trade for J.J. Hickson. The Bulls will get the Kings' pick if it falls outside the top 12 in 2014 or outside the top 10 picks in 2015, 2016 or 2017. The Bulls also got the 2015 and 2016 second-round picks the Portland Trail Blazers owed the Cavs. In a final piece, the Bulls will be able to swap draft positions with the Cavs in 2015 as long as the Cavs' draft pick is outside the top 14 picks.

What a crappy return for a player like Deng. WoW. Bulls couldn't even get a top10 pick or a second round pick.

This trade make a player highly available: Mike Dunleavy. Bulls road seems clear: they will tank this year, amnesty Boozer this summer and have a lot of capspace. To maximize that space, they need to trade away Dunleavy and his $3.3M 14/15 salary. A trade like Dunleavy for De Colo and Baynes would works fine for both teams.

[Spursfanfromafar]

This trade make a player highly available: Mike Dunleavy. Bulls road seems clear: they will tank this year, amnesty Boozer this summer and have a lot of capspace. To maximize that space, they need to trade away Dunleavy and his $3.3M 14/15 salary. A trade like Dunleavy for De Colo and Baynes would works fine for both teams.

Would be a great trade, IMO. Dunleavy would be a very useful addition, with his ball handling, outside shooting skills. Not that much of a defender, but will spell time well for Kawhi.

But I think it wouldnt' happen. The Bulls, might want to still compete for the playoffs despite losing Deng. The EC is so pathetic that they could snag the 7th/8th seed and now that they are below the luxury tax, they might not want to give up on Dunleavy as much.

[Baam]

I don't get why they'd amnesty an expiring contract... Doesn't make sense, especially if you're rebuilding and not contending... Imo they gonna try to trade Boozer...

Unless this whole thing is a Melo plan, get rid of the starting SF and make room cap wise ...

[Bruno]

Would be a great trade, IMO. Dunleavy would be a very useful addition, with his ball handling, outside shooting skills. Not that much of a defender, but will spell time well for Kawhi.

But I think it wouldnt' happen. The Bulls, might want to still compete for the playoffs despite losing Deng. The EC is so pathetic that they could snag the 7th/8th seed and now that they are below the luxury tax, they might not want to give up on Dunleavy as much.

The east is so crappy behind Miami and Indiana that they might even finish 3rd but, if I'm them, I will definitively give up on this season.

Chicago could have a really nice young team next year with Rose, Noah, Butler, Gibson, Snell, Mirotic, 2 first round picks (Chicago and Charlotte) and cap space to sign a big FA. Working on that new team seems way more interesting that this season where the best they could hope is losing badly in the second round against Miami or Indiana.

[sventhedog]

Would be a great trade, IMO. Dunleavy would be a very useful addition, with his ball handling, outside shooting skills. Not that much of a defender, but will spell time well for Kawhi.

But I think it wouldnt' happen. The Bulls, might want to still compete for the playoffs despite losing Deng. The EC is so pathetic that they could snag the 7th/8th seed and now that they are below the luxury tax, they might not want to give up on Dunleavy as much.

the explanation here is that you don't get any reward for being in the middle. it's either you contend for a title or have a bad enough record to snag a rookie in the draft.

without derrick rose, the best they can do is make the playoffs and get swept in the 1st round. i think you would agree with me if i say they have 0% chance of winning a title this year. so why not just tank and get a chance to win a lottery pick.

[Bruno]

BTW, what sucks in the Deng trade is that Bynum will be waived and available to sign with Miami, Clippers or another contender. He might be nowhere near as good as before his injuries but he is still a big body that will bother Duncan and will protect the paint.

[Spursfanfromafar]

the explanation here is that you don't get any reward for being in the middle. it's either you contend for a title or have a bad enough record to snag a rookie in the draft.

without derrick rose, the best they can do is make the playoffs and get swept in the 1st round. i think you would agree with me if i say they have 0% chance of winning a title this year. so why not just tank and get a chance to win a lottery pick.

Well, not all teams in the NBA work on the basis of no contentions, lets tank basis. There's the need for gate receipts and year-to-year profit. They might think that they have done enough to overcome the luxury tax and considering that the EC is so pathetic, they might get into the second round of the playoffs. That would be a good way of receiving more gate returns.

If they need to sell Dunleavy they could do it after the season ends as well for minimum salaried players.

Not that I agree with such a logic, but such logic exists.

[cd021]

I wonder whether bulls will waive Carlos Boozer

You mean Amnesty, In the summer after this season. He is owed 16.3 million. If he is waived that would stay on the cap keeping the Bulls at 66 million. If amnestied, then he would still get paid but off the cap. The team would be $10 million under the cap ($60 million next season) and have 8 players on roster.

[cd021]

I don't get why they'd amnesty an expiring contract... Doesn't make sense, especially if you're rebuilding and not contending... Imo they gonna try to trade Boozer...

Unless this whole thing is a Melo plan, get rid of the starting SF and make room cap wise ...

The bulls didn't want to amnesty Boozer 3 seasons ago and pay a player $45+millon off the books. Amnestying him in the off season would mean that they would only owe him $16.3 million. They are already paying his replacement (Gibson) $8 million. They can draft a PF and or sign one on the cheap in the offseason to round out their PF rotation.

They won't have enough cap to sign Melo outright. They have $50 million committed to 8 players. If they move Dunleavy like Bruno mentioned they could clear out 3.3 million dropping them to about $13 million below the cap. Melo is making over 20 million this season. They'd have to pony up at least 20 million a season for him.

[Baam]

The bulls didn't want to amnesty Boozer 3 seasons ago and pay a player $45+millon off the books. Amnestying him in the off season would mean that they would only owe him $16.3 million. They are already paying his replacement (Gibson) $8 million. They can draft a PF and or sign one on the cheap in the offseason to round out their PF rotation.

They won't have enough cap to sign Melo outright. They have $50 million committed to 8 players. If they move Dunleavy like Bruno mentioned they could clear out 3.3 million dropping them to about $13 million below the cap. Melo is making over 20 million this season. They'd have to pony up at least 20 million a season for him.

Ok thanks for the info, still doesn't make a lot of sense if they can't get a difference maker in FA...

The bottom line is that they need a first option right now, they're not gonna contend next year if they don't have one, either they use the picks to free more cap space or to trade for one imo...

[Baam]

One week to go until Splitter gets eligible for a trade, every metric says he must go tbh... Will we see what they opt to do, bury their head in the sand or be proactive about it... If they manage to turn Splitter into MKG I'd cry from joy...

[TheGoldStandard]

One week to go until Splitter gets eligible for a trade, every metric says he must go tbh... Will we see what they opt to do, bury their head in the sand or be proactive about it... If they manage to turn Splitter into MKG I'd cry from joy...

You haven't been paying attention lately but in case you haven't Splitter won't be traded. Spurs don't move pieces unless it's to hinder them or to get someone season tickets for the rest of the year.

[Baam]

Splitter may not get traded but he should...

- bad fit with Tim and Kawhi, with any big other than Boris actually
- already have a cheap Tiago with a bit more speed in Ayres (who has better numbers with Tim)
- he still doesn't have a post game or a jumper

Trading Splitter for perimeter D is so obvious is not even funny. And if they can get one of the best defender in the league in MKG then we go back to the Finals for sure... Let's not forget how little Tiago played in last year's run...

[TheGoldStandard]

Splitter may not get traded but he should...

- bad fit with Tim and Kawhi, with any big other than Boris actually
- already have a cheap Tiago with a bit more speed in Ayres (who has better numbers with Tim)
- he still doesn't have a post game or a jumper

Trading Splitter for perimeter D is so obvious is not even funny. And if they can get one of the best defender in the league in MKG then we go back to the Finals for sure... Let's not forget how little Tiago played in last year's run...

Well the spurs won't shop him but I doubt there would be a team willing to take on his 36mil salary. The one team that showed interest was able to pay Robin Lopez 5mil less to do the same thing as Splitter and he's stayed relatively healthy and is putting up similar numbers and is younger.

So we either paid too much for Splitter and there is not a good market for him with the kind of return that would help or he's a great piece that teams would give us a good sf for him. I would like to believe it's the former not the latter.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)The Lakers have waived Shawne Williams, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

[I. Hustle]

THE Shawne Williams??!!

[TheGoldStandard]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)The Lakers have waived Shawne Williams, league source tells Yahoo Sports.



Lakers are in full tank mode they cut Shawnee Williams

[RD2191]

THE Shawne Williams??!!
:dramaquee

[ace3g]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)D-League Texas Legends forward Devin Ebanks, a former Laker, to meet with Sixers in Reno, source said.

[slick'81]

I'd be all for bynum in sa too bad he's as injury prone as split

[cd021]

I'd be all for bynum in sa too bad he's as injury prone as split

Yes cause Splitter missed an entire season....

[slick'81]

Naw of course not splitter is the man

[cd021]

Splitter may not get traded but he should...

- bad fit with Tim and Kawhi, with any big other than Boris actually
- already have a cheap Tiago with a bit more speed in Ayres (who has better numbers with Tim)
- he still doesn't have a post game or a jumper

Trading Splitter for perimeter D is so obvious is not even funny. And if they can get one of the best defender in the league in MKG then we go back to the Finals for sure... Let's not forget how little Tiago played in last year's run...

Trading rim protection for a 3rd perimeter defender? that makes sense. Without Splitter, Duncan wouldn't be able to anchor a top 5 defense for an entire season and a playoff run. That is what is obvious.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Hearing Hawks have waived Cartier Martin in time to beat today's 5PM deadline before Martin's contract was guaranteed for rest of season

[Chinook]

Thomas and Joseph should get some time, since they hang their hats on defense. We know Malcolm can play the three on offense. He deserves a chance to try it on D.

[NASpurs]

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/sixers/Sixers-waive-Daniel-Orton.html


CLEVELAND – The 76ers have waived reserve center Daniel Orton.
The 6-foot-10, 255-pounder started four games and played in 22 games this season. He averaged 3.0 points and 2.8 rebounds in 11.4 minutes per game. Orton finished with a season-high 10 points and a career-high 11 rebounds while starting in place of Spencer Hawes at Indiana on Nov. 23

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Houston's been calling teams, trying to assist forward Donatas Motiejunas in finding a new team, sources tell Yahoo. He wants playing time.

[Robz4000]

Wouldn't shock me to see the Lakers bite. He'd be solid in D'Antoni's system.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Nets tonight granted $5.25 mil Disabled Player Exception after losing Brook Lopez. Using full amount triggers extra $20 mil in luxury tax

[Chinook]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Nets tonight granted $5.25 mil Disabled Player Exception after losing Brook Lopez. Using full amount triggers extra $20 mil in luxury tax




Honestly, the smartest thing they could do is take on some salary for an asset. Something like Blatche for Thomas Robinson and the rights to an international player.

[TXstbobcat]

Poor nets. Hit rock bottom this early in the season

[cd021]

Spurs would be responsible for the 15% trade kicker so depending on when we trade him we would have to pony up 5mil to satisfy that. Chicago could keep Tiago or trade him but amnesty boozer and pair Noah with Tiago, pretty solid defensive front who can pass.

Duncan, Diaw, kawhi, Marco and parker

When Manu comes in Deng comes in at the 4 baynes or Ayres for 5, Bonner and Thomas split the other time at the 4, Deng plays sf and green comes in at sg with mills.

Or Duncan, Deng, kawhi, Marco, parker that way we can switch Deng and kawhi on best player and green comes off bench for defense at the 3. Diaw at pf and Ayres/baynes at the 5. Still can clog the paint and have shooters on the floor.

Moot point now. I stand corrected on Splitters trade kicker, I didn't know that about it. I didn't have a a problem with Deng playing PF beside Duncan or off the bench Or Diaw starting.

The problem would be playing Baynes or Ayers. Both have flaws that would be exposed (or possibly ironed out) with extended minutes. They can be useful in short stretches (Baynes physicality, Ayers rebounding) Neither are rim protectors something that Splitter is.

Also Splitter usefulness on offense (passing, offensive rebounding, and ability to get to the free throw line) I wouldn't wan't to see Splitter go unless it was for a clear upgrade over him or a couple of useful rotation players.

[TheGoldStandard]

Moot point now. I stand corrected on Splitters trade kicker, I didn't know that about it. I didn't have a a problem with Deng playing PF beside Duncan or off the bench Or Diaw starting.

The problem would be playing Baynes or Ayers. Both have flaws that would be exposed (or possibly ironed out) with extended minutes. They can be useful in short stretches (Baynes physicality, Ayers rebounding) Neither are rim protectors something that Splitter is.

Also Splitter usefulness on offense (passing, offensive rebounding, and ability to get to the free throw line) I wouldn't wan't to see Splitter go unless it was for a clear upgrade over him or a couple of useful rotation players.

Pretty moot now but just imagine what it would be like to have Duncan, Deng, Kawhi and Green on the floor at the same time.. perimeter defense galore and of course the Living Legend

[cd021]

Pretty moot now but just imagine what it would be like to have Duncan, Deng, Kawhi and Green on the floor at the same time.. perimeter defense galore and of course the Living Legend


That would be pretty cool having 3 wing defenders on the floor and Duncan grabbing all of the other teams bricks. I would love to see the Spurs go after someone like Al Aminu. He can't really shoot but is long, athletic and can board. He is also a combo 4 and on an expiring 1 year $6 million dollar deal. Maybe Chip could help tweak his jumper.

[SpurPadre]

With the bulls waiving Bynum, I've read the heat might have interest in getting him. Why does it seem like they are always in the mix to acquire players? It's like they have no budget limits. Anyways, if they do get him, do they release oden?

[TheGoldStandard]

With the bulls waiving Bynum, I've read the heat might have interest in getting him. Why does it seem like they are always in the mix to acquire players? It's like they have no budget limits. Anyways, if they do get him, do they release oden?

They have 1 guy who can screw around and get 30/10/10 while playing to the crowd. Outside of their 3 stars all their significant role players serve a purpose and can consistently deliver on that purpose and since they are old vets they just want rings not worried about money.

Miami has no need to chase after backup 2's or 3's so getting guys like Anderson, Anthony, Oden and possibly Bynum is possible on the cheap. Subsequently though they are lacking at that 2 and 3 so if the 1 guy gets hurt they will be screwed.

[Johnny RIngo]

With the bulls waiving Bynum, I've read the heat might have interest in getting him. Why does it seem like they are always in the mix to acquire players? It's like they have no budget limits. Anyways, if they do get him, do they release oden?

Pat Riley

[szkorhetz]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231417/Rockets-Attempting-To-Trade-Donatas-Motiejunas

[Captivus]

I think Motiejunas would fit many teams.
He is not a super star, but he can get minutes.
His salary is very low.


2013-14
2014-15
2015-16


$1,422,720
$1,483,920
$2,288,205



I believe someone would take him.

[ajballer4]

I see Houston games quite a bit (roommate is a Rockets fan) and from what I've seen of D-Mo, he is a very solid player. Can be a solid rotation player on crappy teams, and could be an x-factor for a playoff team. Teams will definently bite

[szkorhetz]

I see Houston games quite a bit (roommate is a Rockets fan) and from what I've seen of D-Mo, he is a very solid player. Can be a solid rotation player on crappy teams, and could be an x-factor for a playoff team. Teams will definently bite
De Colo for him? Rockets have depth in all position expect a stretch four. Bonner could be appealing too, but numbers would not work.

[TheGoldStandard]

Montijunas has that international intelligence

[ace3g]

Ken Berger @KBergCBS
(https://twitter.com/KBergCBS)Sources: Kings offer Thornton or Fredette for Nuggets' Miller. cbsprt.co/1gELANq (http://t.co/1E2q4dCJI3)

[Captivus]

Ken Berger @KBergCBS
(https://twitter.com/KBergCBS)Sources: Kings offer Thornton or Fredette for Nuggets' Miller. cbsprt.co/1gELANq (http://t.co/1E2q4dCJI3)



The Jimmer! isnt this guy starting to play fairly well?

[ace3g]

PHOENIX – The Suns have signed guard Leandro Barbosa (lee-AN-dro BAR-bow-sa) to a 10-day contract, the team has announced.

http://www.nba.com/suns/news/suns-sign-leandro-barbosa

[Bruno]

Knowing Rockets, they will ask fro something like 3 unprotected first round picks for Motiejunas.

[gambit1990]

i like montijunas.

[td4mvp2k]

i like montijunas.i like bonner,deculo,mills for dunleavy n hinrich tbh

[cd021]

i like bonner,deculo,mills for dunleavy n hinrich tbh

:lol funny that you correctly spelled Dunleavy and Hinrich correctly and misspelled De Colo. Just nitpicking i guess.

[td4mvp2k]

:lol funny that you correctly spelled Dunleavy and Hinrich correctly and misspelled De Colo. Just nitpicking i guess.not misspelled... His spanish name tbh but keep nitpickn :tu

[cd021]

not misspelled... His spanish name tbh but keep nitpickn :tu

my mistake then.

[td4mvp2k]

my mistake then.DeColo = DeAzz or DeSh*t :lol

[ace3g]

Rockets could target Bulls' Mike Dunleavy
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/rockets/2014/01/08/nba-houston-rockets-omer-asik-mike-dunleavy/4381387/

[TheGoldStandard]

Rockets could target Bulls' Mike Dunleavy


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/rockets/2014/01/08/nba-houston-rockets-omer-asik-mike-dunleavy/4381387/

That would not be good, good shooter, can handle the ball average defender but length..

[Robz4000]

Agreed, bad news for the Spurs if he gets traded to Houston.

[td4mvp2k]

Knicks dont want jr smith... Could be had for nuttin n a need for spurs tbh

[TheGoldStandard]

Knicks dont want jr smith... Could be had for nuttin n a need for spurs tbh

We have too many guards don't need JR Smith

[td4mvp2k]

We have too many guards don't need JR Smithwell he can also play 3 n can prob play da 4 goin small but ya they would have to trade a G away tho tbh

[cd021]

Knicks dont want jr smith... Could be had for nuttin n a need for spurs tbh

This guy is shooting in Ricky Rubio territory and can't pass or defend like him.

[td4mvp2k]

This guy is shooting in Ricky Rubio territory and can't pass or defend like him.wasnt shooting like it last yr + when you play for a team like that whos gunna pass or defend... Tbh

[cd021]

wasnt shooting like it last yr + when you play for a team like that whos gunna pass or defend... Tbh

Last season, he was much better but he reverted in the playoffs. There was even a popular twitter account "did JR Smith miss" This season has been a nightmare. He is a distraction a team where they already a joke. He also cost them a game recently after taking a bad 3 early in what would have been the final possession of the game.

Also shoe-gate. The first time its amusing but the second time and after getting warned by the NBA is just embarrassing. He seems like he's mailed it in on the season and is acting childish. A playoff team might be interested but I'd doubt it would be us.

[td4mvp2k]

Last season, he was much better but he reverted in the playoffs. There was even a popular twitter account "did JR Smith miss" This season has been a nightmare. He is a distraction a team where they already a joke. He also cost them a game recently after taking a bad 3 early in what would have been the final possession of the game.Also shoe-gate. The first time its amusing but the second time and after getting warned by the NBA is just embarrassing. He seems like he's mailed it in on the season and is acting childish. A playoff team might be interested but I'd doubt it would be us.when your the #2 go to you cant really say much for him taking bad shots on a team that has no vets like da spurs do n the on n off da courts badz tbh... dont think da spurs havent had a player like him before and they have had interest in him btw

[TheGoldStandard]

Too many guards and not big enough to play the 3 or the 4 with small ball lineups. JR Smith needs to be setup and when Kidd was there he had the perfect setup man. Spurs would have to dump green to make room for him and give him minutes to justify 6 mil. Won't happen

[Kyuui-Musikq]

Speaking to J.R. Smith, it's one thing to take a head case into our organization at a young age, because he would be put in line proper real quick, and another for a vet, because he'd probably get in line with the program wanting a ring, but Smith strikes me as a head case that has this "ima be me and ain't no one gonna' do nothin' about it" sorta attitude because he just got his long term contract and he think he's the shit.

The guy got pissed because the Knicks cut his scrub brother. No way we'd go for this dude IMO

[td4mvp2k]

Lol knicks playd alot of jr at da 3 when they went wit a 2 pg lineup last yr n were very good then... its not like none of da spurs guards play da 3 or da 4 to lol... dont know if u seen jr play but he can get his n not like green tbh who doesnt need to be traded for jr btw

[TheGoldStandard]

Lol knicks playd alot of jr at da 3 when they went wit a 2 pg lineup last yr n were very good then... its not like none of da spurs guards play da 3 or da 4 to lol... dont know if u seen jr play but he can get his n not like green tbh who doesnt need to be traded for jr btw

Whose minutes would he eat? Manu? Nope. Marco? Nope. Kawhi, he barely plays as it is. Green? Not likely. Not enough to go around. If dude was 6'9 with long arms I would be all for it to have someone legit to spell kawhi but a volume shooter like JR whose streaky and not disciplined would be useless.

[td4mvp2k]

Whose minutes would he eat? Manu? Nope. Marco? Nope. Kawhi, he barely plays as it is. Green? Not likely. Not enough to go around. If dude was 6'9 with long arms I would be all for it to have someone legit to spell kawhi but a volume shooter like JR whose streaky and not disciplined would be useless.he would be backup to kawhi n u fooln yoself if u think green is betta lol... no u dont have to be 6"9 wit long arms to play da position who is prob slow... jrs skill helps to vs bigger players tbh

[look_at_g_shred]

Any chance we can pry Anthony Randolph from Denver?

[szkorhetz]

I would Love it, but not likely.

[T Park]

Any chance we can pry Anthony Randolph from Denver?

Why?

Hes not better than whats on the roster.

[cd021]

Al Aminu. basically A taller Leonard, 6'10, more athletic, longer and boards well. Not a great shooter but Leonard wasnt either before we got a hold of him. He is on a $6 million 1 year deal.

[look_at_g_shred]

Why?

Hes not better than whats on the roster.
Better defender than anyone we have on the bench.

[ace3g]

Jeff Zillgitt @JeffZillgitt
(https://twitter.com/JeffZillgitt)Bulls sign Cartier Martin to a 10-day contract today, just a couple of days after Hawks waived Martin.

[T Park]

Better defender than anyone we have on the bench.


lol no.

[ChumpDumper]

Jeff Zillgitt @JeffZillgitt
(https://twitter.com/JeffZillgitt)Bulls sign Cartier Martin to a 10-day contract today, just a couple of days after Hawks waived Martin.

Is the waiver period shorter now?

[look_at_g_shred]

lol no.
Ok.

[Baam]

Crackpot idea : Splitter for Eric Gordon & Green for MKG

TD Ayres/Baynes
Diaw MKG
KY MKG
Gordon Manu/Beli
TP Gordon

[Chinook]

Crackpot idea

Indeed. Neither team would take that. Undersized scoring guards suck in the post-season unless they're Wade. We've talked about Green for MKG already. No way the Bobcats take that. And it destroys the team's spacing, even accouting for Gordon and Beli.

[Baam]

Indeed. Neither team would take that. Undersized scoring guards suck in the post-season unless they're Wade.

I don't know man... The biggest problems are the health and attitude concerns imo... Undersized or not he still has great range and is great off the dribble and way better on D than Beli (which is not hard)...

[tholdren]

Lol knicks playd alot of jr at da 3 when they went wit a 2 pg lineup last yr n were very good then... its not like none of da spurs guards play da 3 or da 4 to lol... dont know if u seen jr play but he can get his n not like green tbh who doesnt need to be traded for jr btw

There are several issues here:

1. JR smith is a crybaby. Why would we want to deal with that?
2. You talk about creating his shot. This is not true. He SHOOTS the ball all the time, which doesnt = "creating a shot"
- For his career he shoots about 6 (six) 3-pointers in the playoffs and is a CAREER 30% (you read that correctly) Playoff 3pt shooter
- The last 2 years in the PLAYOFFS he takes roughly 18 shots in 32 minutes and only makes about 31%.

AGAIN why the hell would we want that? We had Neal, who is a better shooter: Neal in the past 2 playoffs shot the ball roughly 7 times a game making around 42% of his shots and a CAREER 36% for 3 pointers in the playoffs. People CHASTISED Neal for shooting too much. JR smith shoots the ball 2.5 times more than Neal and makes SIGNIFICANTLY LESS.

Again, why would you want JR smith? Who in the hell knows. He's really a terrible player all around, doesnt make anyone better, kills you with shot selection, and is too stupid to realize just how inefficient and poor his play is. He is really the poor mans version of gary neal who somehow got a big contract. I wouldnt trade Smith for Cojo even if the salaries are the same.

[td4mvp2k]

There are several issues here: 1. JR smith is a crybaby. Why would we want to deal with that? 2. You talk about creating his shot. This is not true. He SHOOTS the ball all the time, which doesnt = "creating a shot" - For his career he shoots about 6 (six) 3-pointers in the playoffs and is a CAREER 30% (you read that correctly) Playoff 3pt shooter- The last 2 years in the PLAYOFFS he takes roughly 18 shots in 32 minutes and only makes about 31%. AGAIN why the hell would we want that?1. Why have the spurs had crybabys? 2. Ya he shoots da ball all da time n never put its on da floor... Lol 3. Lol @ dem PO #s where he waz da #2 or #3 n lol @ neal or cojo bein betta... Alot of why? I done talked about but ya why the hell would I want him lol cuz its not like da spurs ever did... :tu

[td4mvp2k]

james sutherland still a FA? I kno spurs liked him tbh

[td4mvp2k]

Rockets could target Bulls' Mike Dunleavyhttp://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/rockets/2014/01/08/nba-houston-rockets-omer-asik-mike-dunleavy/4381387/ChicagoSun has 4 teams calln da bulls for dunleavy

[cd021]

ChicagoSun has 4 teams calln da bulls for dunleavy

Cheap enough. Bonner for Dunleavy. We'd actually save cash in that deal (about $700,000). Bulls would save $3.3 next season, on top of Deng being moved and Boozers likely amnesty.

Career 44 FG%/37 3PT%/80 FT% shooter. 6'9 Primarily plays SF and can easily play the four. Basketball reference estimates that he has player 70% of his career at SG-SF and 30% at PF.

[Interrohater]

ChicagoSun has 4 teams calln da bulls for dunleavy
liek f u cry evrytym

Your grammar is atrocious.
I can't believe that you make an effort to type like an idiot. It's not like speaking where words begin to merge and sounds evolve (or devolve, depending on how you see it). You have to consciously make the effort to write "da" instead of "the" and "dem" instead of "them". It's embarrassing.

[td4mvp2k]

liek f u cry evrytymYour grammar is atrocious.I can't believe that you make an effort to type like an idiot. It's not like speaking where words begin to merge and sounds evolve (or devolve, depending on how you see it). You have to consciously make the effort to write "da" instead of "the" and "dem" instead of "them". It's embarrassing.:lol whatz embarrasing iz dat u think every1 on da net is gunna talk like u think they shood... Watta dumazz tbh :tu

[Chinook]

liek f u cry evrytym

Your grammar is atrocious.
I can't believe that you make an effort to type like an idiot. It's not like speaking where words begin to merge and sounds evolve (or devolve, depending on how you see it). You have to consciously make the effort to write "da" instead of "the" and "dem" instead of "them". It's embarrassing.

His grammar is fine. You're arguing that his diction sucks. Replacing 'da' with 'the' doesn't change the grammar at all.

[NickiRasgo]

PHOENIX – The Suns have signed guard Leandro Barbosa (lee-AN-dro BAR-bow-sa) to a 10-day contract, the team has announced.

http://www.nba.com/suns/news/suns-sign-leandro-barbosa

Scored 21 points (14 points in the 4th quarter) today against Knicks.

[$pursDynasty]

All of this aggressive trade talk about the Spurs had me thinking. I want a rim protector and shot blocker like Tyson Chandler or Javell McGee or Derek Favors, and I'd be willing to throw Splitter in to get one of them. Back to the point though, I would consider the Big 3 and Leonard untouchable, next up would be Diaw because of the versatility he provides. After that every one else is up for grabs. We need another athletic big that can block shots. Well everything we have left isn't overly impressive BUT the main thing that might make them more appealing is one of the many teams trying to emulate the Spurs whether in the front office via GM's or via coaches that were under him that are now head coaches in their own right. If I were a coach trying to install the Spur's level basketball IQ into other teams then a player (or more likely two) who know(s) how the system works might be very helpful in installing the mindset and leadership needed.

[DJR210]

Great story IMO.

[Interrohater]

Valid point. His diction does suck, but so does his grammar.

[td4mvp2k]

^ :cry

[Bruno]

BTW, there are rumors coming from Spanish sources (the first was on January 8th) that Turkish team Fenerbahce is after De Colo.

Even if it really looks like Spurs/Pop have fully given up on Nando, the best for Spurs would be to keep him until the trade deadline. His expiring contract might be useful in a trade.

[lmbebo]

BTW, there are rumors coming from Spanish sources (the first was on January 8th) that Turkish team Fenerbahce is after De Colo.

Even if it really looks like Spurs/Pop have fully given up on Nando, the best for Spurs would be to keep him until the trade deadline. His expiring contract might be useful in a trade.

I guess they see him as not playing and sitting at the of the bench. I'm not sure Spurs would cut him, but who knows.

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs won't cut de Colo, he's trade fodder if anything this season.

[Bartleby]

Kawhi + Bonner for Jordan Hill + Wesley Johnson + unprotected 2014 first tbh

Then Beli for anything, a tall backup point like Fournier would be nice...

Duncan Hill
Splitter Diaw
Johnson Gino
Green Gino
TP Fournier

Better spacing and rebounding while looking at the future...

Just stop. Seriously. Reading your posts on the Spurs is like stepping in dogshit.

[Bruno]

I guess they see him as not playing and sitting at the of the bench. I'm not sure Spurs would cut him, but who knows.

He wouldn't be cut but bought out. De Colo would agree to forfeit his remaining salary (about $800K) to be freed of his contract. For Spurs the edge would be to save some money and to open a roster spot but they would lose a trade asset.

I'm not sure De Colo would like to go to Turkey even for a lot of money. If he comes back in Europe, I see more Spain and Barcelona. He also said that if another NBA team makes him an offer next summer, he would give another try at making it in the NBA. He might not be in the mindset for the moment at giving up on the NBA.

[Ice009]

He wouldn't be cut but bought out. De Colo would agree to forfeit his remaining salary (about $800K) to be freed of his contract. For Spurs the edge would be to save some money and to open a roster spot but they would lose a trade asset.

I'm not sure De Colo would like to go to Turkey even for a lot of money. If he comes back in Europe, I see more Spain and Barcelona. He also said that if another NBA team makes him an offer next summer, he would give another try at making it in the NBA. He might not be in the mindset for the moment at giving up on the NBA.

That's a much better attitude from De Colo. He definitely should give it another shot if another team is interested in him, no sense in leaving any doubt on the table whether or not he could play in the NBA.

[turkish spurs fan]

i think de colo is not suitable for nba basketball. if a person doesn't show himself playing spurs which is the easiest way to adapt nba, should change his way to europe. well, by the way i dont wont him to join fenerbahce (our rival club in turkey and fenerbahce needs 1-2 position playing guard and de colo fits great). they'r rich club and has the best coach of europe and trying to make roster stronger. de colo should go barcelona if he wants to turn.

[hsxvvd]

I'd trade De Colo for Kleiza.

[mountainballer]

Even if it really looks like Spurs/Pop have fully given up on Nando, the best for Spurs would be to keep him until the trade deadline. His expiring contract might be useful in a trade.

his contract would allow to bring back 0.9 to 2.3 million in salary, right?

btw. trade idea: Nando + pick for Wes Johnson? (maybe the 2015 1st rounder?). let's assume the Lakers are listening to any proposal that offers picks and doesn't cut into their 2014 cap space. and their priority this summer won't be to keep the future role players. (and that's Wes ceiling).
can't tell if he is worth a late 1st rounder and yes, he is a FA this summer and dosn't bring bird rights with him, so Spurs might lose him immediately.
he never lived up to his pick status. (if he did, we wouldn't talk about him being a low cost addition). but he is a good athlete, a willing defender who can defend 2,3 and small 4 and he isn't a hopeless case from 3. outside this he seems to be a person who brings most of the typical Spurs attitudes. if it works and he sees the Spurs as his career safers (like in the case of Danny), he might be willing to add another year with the Spurs (at a low price) and try to land a better contract in 2015.

[Bruno]

his contract would allow to bring back 0.9 to 2.3 million in salary, right?


Right but the idea would be to use him package with other player(s). For example, Bonner can bring back a player with a $6M salary while Bonner + De Colo can allow Spurs to take a $8.2M salary player.

[Bruno]

BTW, De Colo agent has denied this rumor:
http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/Actualites/Pas-de-retour-en-europe-pour-de-colo/432233

Fenerbahce hasn't contacted De Colo agents or the player. De Colo isn't interested in getting back in Europe in the middle of the season and the only way he would go to a new team before this summer is if he is traded to another NBA team.

[Bruno]

Random trade idea of the day:
Bonner for Anthony Bennett.

Cavs would do it to create additional cap space for this summer and because Bennett has been atrocious.

Would you do it?

[look_at_g_shred]

^ Wesley Johnson would be a great addition. Not sure what the Lakers would want from him as he is having a breakout season. He's worth a lot more right now than he was at the start of the season. Plus, the Lakers have a lot of injuries, and he's one of the few players that are healthy. In addition, he's been like the only bright spot in the Lakers' season this year.

[TheGoldStandard]

Random trade idea of the day:
Bonner for Anthony Bennett.

Cavs would do it to create additional cap space for this summer and because Bennett has been atrocious.

Would you do it?

Not at the moment, need to evaluate what Tiago will he like on his return and when exactly he will return. Bennett is a project, his tools are raw and he needs to he developed. If he were given an off-season with our staff I think we would find the stuff Cleveland was hoping he would he right away. He seeks like a fat ads too, not sure if it's his build or just lazy.

[ace3g]

Peter VecseyVerified account ‏@PeterVecsey1 (https://twitter.com/PeterVecsey1) With Rondo about 2B activated, Celtics are close 2 dealing Jordan Crawford. BK, Clips, Suns, Rockets, Warriors are interested

[Chinook]

Random trade idea of the day:
Bonner for Anthony Bennett.

Cavs would do it to create additional cap space for this summer and because Bennett has been atrocious.

Would you do it?

In a heartbeat. The team could always not pick up Bennett's option to preserve 2015 cap space. But it's rare that a team like the Spurs gets a chance to acquire a top talent on a rookie contract. Trading essentially nothing to get it is a steal.

[elemento]

Random trade idea of the day:
Bonner for Anthony Bennett.

Cavs would do it to create additional cap space for this summer and because Bennett has been atrocious.

Would you do it?

In a heart-beat. But it's too soon for CLE. Chris Grant would be destroyed by Cleveland's media if he does something like that right now.

If Matt Bonner can be a NBA player in SA, I am damn sure that Bennett can.

[szkorhetz]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231515/Warriors-Acquire-Jordan-Crawford-MarShon-Brooks-In-Trade-With-Celtics-Heat

[Jwash_1986]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/15/report-warriors-add-jordan-crawford-for-guard-depth-in-three-team-trade-with-celtics-heat/

dont know if this has been posted yet.

[td4mvp2k]

Thunder sign royal ivey to 10 day deal

[palangi]

Random trade idea of the day:
Bonner for Anthony Bennett.

Cavs would do it to create additional cap space for this summer and because Bennett has been atrocious.

Would you do it?
Yes I would. bennet is a huge talent that needs some solid veteran leadership to develop. can play back up SF and also play the PF in small ball. could be a lot productive in an actual system like ours.

[lmbebo]

I'd take that risk

[Spursfanfromafar]

In a heartbeat. The team could always not pick up Bennett's option to preserve 2015 cap space. But it's rare that a team like the Spurs gets a chance to acquire a top talent on a rookie contract. Trading essentially nothing to get it is a steal.

I have no clue about college basketball. But Anthony Bennett with his 1.0 PER and his absolutely poor display as a basketball player would rank among the worst draft picks ever, ever. Why would the Spurs leaden themselves with such a poor player?

[Hoops Czar]

Yes I would. bennet is a huge talent that needs some solid veteran leadership to develop. can play back up SF and also play the PF in small ball. could be a lot productive in an actual system like ours.

Bennet isn't just having a bad season. He's having a historically bad season. Before making a trade like this, you'd better ask yourself... can Bennett help the Spurs this year because if the answer is no, then why would you make the trade? The guy could seriously benefit from playing in the D-league for a season because he's not NBA ready. I think in this case, keeping Bonner would be more valuable than trading for a player who won't see any action and won't even be a consideration for a postseason roster spot. The kid is raw to the bone.

[Chinook]

I have no clue about college basketball. But Anthony Bennett with his 1.0 PER and his absolutely poor display as a basketball player would rank among the worst draft picks ever, ever. Why would the Spurs leaden themselves with such a poor player?

From what I hear, he has the talent. He was a reach at 1, but he was still considered a top-five pick going into the draft. It would be one thing if hks PER were 1.0 after a couple of seasons. But he's barely played so far while trying to adjust to a new system/country. He's in quite the logjam at the four right now.

Anyway, his contract would expire after next season at worst. Trading Bonner for him would havr little downside.

[aal04]

its Bonner. No need for comparisons. Good low risk gamble imo.

Spurs havent had a decent pick since Duncan and we turn out chit picks into decent picks. Imagine if we get a great pick. Could be a gold mine with our staff

[AFBlue]

Yes I would. bennet is a huge talent...

Pun intended tbqh?

[Chinook]

I don't see how Mbah a Moute is not on the block. He keeps racking up DNPs with the Wolves. They pretty much gave Williams up for nothing, but at least Bonner can get them cap relief next season.

Derrick, by the by, has been pretty decent in Sac-Town. He's their sixth man. Adelman sucks.

[Baam]

Would pass on Bennett at this point, liked the idea earlier in the season but right now he seems lazy which combined with his weight and ashma is pretty scary... Besides I don't feel like the Spurs are good enough to afford the luxury of getting such a raw project instead of more immediate help...

Well ever since Tiago went down the offense has been where we want it to be... On the other the defense is concerning... Imo they have to make a move for a wing, be it a starting 2 or a backup 3, leaning towards a starting 2, Green would be fine as the backup 3 on the other hand Marco can"t be the starter, he should be the 4th guard/Manu insurance at best...

What are the best 2 way SGs on the block or semi realistically availlable? JR Smith, Ross, DeRozan, Gordon?

[szkorhetz]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231526/Jeff-Green-Shrugs-Off-Latest-Trade-More-Disappointed-With-Losing-Record
:stirpot:

[Baam]

Would still do Splitter + Bonner + pick for Boozer + Snell + Mirotic (who really doesnt seem to want to play for the Bulls, Edit : seems like he has a huge buyout clause of 3.5M...)

Then next year you got Mirotic/Diaw at the 4, so we're upgrading both this year and the next...

[szkorhetz]

Would still do Splitter + Bonner + pick for Boozer + Snell + Mirotic (who really doesnt seem to want to play for the Bulls, Edit : seems like he has a huge buyout clause of 3.5M...)

Then next year you got Mirotic/Diaw at the 4, so we're upgrading both this year and the next...
Forget that. Mirotic is the best player in Europe right now, they won't trade him and Splitter messes up their payroll for the next 3 years, while they plan to amnesty Boozer.

[cd021]

Forget that. Mirotic is the best player in Europe right now, they won't trade him and Splitter messes up their payroll for the next 3 years, while they plan to amnesty Boozer.

There is even talk that they may move Noah as well and clear out more space (and hopefully get another 1st round pick). They could wind up with 3 first rounders this draft. Maybe they package one of those with Noah and move up the draft board.

[CGD]

Did the spurs sign Thad Young yet? That would be something.

Not sure Philly's is going to pry away a top 20 2014 first round pick for the guy, which is what they're asking. Could be that cap relief plus late 2014 first rounder is the best offer they get by Feb deadline.

Philly has their own first rounder (assuming its 1-14 or else it goes to the Heat) + New Orleans pick (unless it's top 5). If they can acquire a late first, it will allow them to make some interesting trades to move up in the draft.

[Sean Cagney]

Did the spurs sign Thad Young yet? That would be something.

.Who said they were going to sign him? Yet?

[td4mvp2k]

Team has to do somethin wit bonner if they want to get betta tbh

[td4mvp2k]

Team has to do somethin wit bonner or deculo if they want to get betta tbh

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Love Splitter (at times) but I have a feeling if he struggles this year in the PO's, we will probably see him getting traded within the next could years. 9 mill a year is a lot for a bench player that cannot contribute in the playoffs.

What do you guys thing?

edit: fucking autocorrect Tiago**

[Prime Time]

DeAndre Liggins has been impressive in the D-League. He's racking up assists and was an active defender in the NCAA.

But he's batshit crazy/a headcase, plus it doesn't make sense for Spurs to sign 2 D-Leaguers. Hell, there might be a rule against that. Not sure though.

[anakha]

Dunno how reliable this is, but here goes...

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/534743/20140117/nba-trade-news.htm


Meanwhile, Hawes could end up with a team badly needing a big man, and rumours indicated that the San Antonio Spurs are very much interested to take him.

[Seventyniner]

Dunno how reliable this is, but here goes...

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/534743/20140117/nba-trade-news.htm

Interesting. Hawes is shooting 43.7% on threes on 3.9 attempts per game, which are both very high numbers for a big man. I haven't watched him enough to know much about his defense or rebounding; I at least know enough that just looking at the numbers won't nearly tell the whole story.

I don't know where he'd fit in the rotation, though. He's basically a 5 only, albeit with enough range to be a great floor-spacer on offense. He could fit well next to just about any big except Duncan; I doubt Hawes is mobile enough to defend 4s with any range or quickness at all. In fact, the Splitter/Bonner combo used to light up the league on offense, Splitter/Hawes could be better due to more rebounding on the other end.

[AFBlue]

Hawes is a better all-around player than Bonner as the "stretch big", so I could see why the Spurs would be interested. But if he really is that available, I would imagine other teams with more attractive picks and/or prospects could offer a better package.

[TheGoldStandard]

Hawes in theory fits the Spurs as a 5. It's a contract year and Philly wants to get something for him. Might see a 3 team deal with the spurs involved

[Robz4000]

Hawes would be great for the Spurs, at least offensively, but they'd prolly have to give up too much for him. My question is how good is his D? The couple of times the Spurs played against him I remember Duncan getting anything he wanted.

[TheGoldStandard]

Hawes would be great for the Spurs, at least offensively, but they'd prolly have to give up too much for him. My question is how good is his D? The couple of times the Spurs played against him I remember Duncan getting anything he wanted.

Can't be worse than Bonner, I'd pair him on the bench with Tiago if they did ever decide to move Tiago to the 2nd unit.

[chrhawk]

Dunno how reliable this is, but here goes...

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/534743/20140117/nba-trade-news.htm

Somehow I doubt this is true. Anyone know anything about the guy who wrote that piece?

[Bruno]

Hawes is too slow.

[look_at_g_shred]

Hawes sucks.

[RD2191]

Hawes sucks.

[xmas1997]

Another unvalidated rumor.

[Baam]

Caron Butler bitching about his playing time...

8M expiring is pretty nice... He's kind of a shithead who can get under the opponent skin like SJax, why not... Would not get excited about the move but it'd be better than nothing...

[td4mvp2k]

Caron Butler bitching about his playing time...

8M expiring is pretty nice... He's kind of a shithead who can get under the opponent skin like SJax, why not... Would not get excited about the move but it'd be better than nothing...bonner + deculo :tu

[Chinook]

Caron Butler bitching about his playing time...

8M expiring is pretty nice... He's kind of a shithead who can get under the opponent skin like SJax, why not... Would not get excited about the move but it'd be better than nothing...

Buyout candidate.

[Baam]

Buyout candidate.

That'd be nice but I see him signing somewhere else if that's the case...

At this point I'm convinced the Spurs need a big move and top talent to get back to contender status...

JR Smith, Amir Johnson, that kind of player...

[cd021]

Can't be worse than Bonner, I'd pair him on the bench with Tiago if they did ever decide to move Tiago to the 2nd unit.

Off memory, he was. He is pretty slow and checking Basketball reference, he is has a career 107 defensive rating. That's pretty damn bad, especially as a starter. He has actually been a net negative player for his career. This season,though to be fair , he is a 110 offensive rating and 106 defensive rating this season.

He is a good rebounder and a great 3 point shooter but Bonner is still a better fit in limited minutes. He does hold value defensively. He seldom misses rotations and is an effective post defender.

Also Matt Bonner's career defensive rating is 104 while is offensive rating is an obscene 118 ( +14 net rating compared to a -6 rating for Hawes)

[cd021]

http://www.libertyballers.com/2014/1/16/5313588/sixers-trade-evan-turner-spencer-hawes-rumor

Sixers are, apparently, looking to package Hawes with Evan Tuner. They are also putting a deal for Thad Young on the back-burner (according to the article, they still want to move him)

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nynauvm

A possibility, based on that report...

76ers Get:
De Colo
Bonner
Green

Spurs Get:
Hawes
Turner

[cd021]

That'd be nice but I see him signing somewhere else if that's the case...

At this point I'm convinced the Spurs need a big move and top talent to get back to contender status...

JR Smith, Amir Johnson, that kind of player...

Smith would have been a risk for the Spurs prior to this season. This season he has seen whatever stock he has plummet. His shooting numbers 40%/25%/59% for 15 ppg. He has a big hand to play in Detroit being so bad (and inconsistent) for a small forward to take 15 shots and average 15 ppg is just awful.

He also has no clue that he can't shoot 3's. That doesn't stop him from jacking up nearly 4 a game and hit 1/4 of those. Also his contract expires 2 seasons after Spurs "2 year plan" where we have signed contracts that expires by the off season of 2015.