Official Trade/Signing Ideas Thread

[Robz4000]

I wouldn't do that deal. Thabo is a three like Green is. If Beli goes, it needs to be for a combo-forward.

He'd be that potential third defender the Spurs should be looking for, unless you feel CoJo could fill that roll?

[DPG21920]

It was partially tounge-in-cheek, but I wouldn't mind Thabo. If you plan to play Kawhi at PF, it at least allows a defensive option line up (TP/Danny/Thabo/Kawhi/...). But I don't think Beli will be moved unless it's very meaningful. Unfortunately, it seems like OKC is a perfect trade partner for CHI/Dunleavy. If CHI just looking to maximize cap space and absolutely avoid the tax, trading with OKC and getting nothing back is something to consider.

[TheGoldStandard]

Wouldn't it be some shit if the Spurs were rumored to be apart of a deal but were unwilling to move Ayres?

[DPG21920]

Wouldn't it be some shit if the Spurs were rumored to be apart of a deal but were unwilling to move Ayres?

:lol That would be one of the biggest meltdowns ever.

It's hard to do trades. Period. It's even harder to do trades with the limited assets that the Spurs possess. But this has the feel of the RJ acquisition. Spurs and trades always are discussed, but that one happened. It happened during a point in time when it seems like the Spurs felt they stretched as far as they could with what they had. I get the feeling they feel that way at the moment.

Like HH said, they might not do a trade, but hopefully we see they pushed really hard even if it doesn't happen. Better be "Despite multiple conversations late into the night, the Spurs bid for player x fell short as they could not gather the necessary pieces to get a deal done".

[TheGoldStandard]

:lol That would be one of the biggest meltdowns ever.

It's hard to do trades. Period. It's even harder to do trades with the limited assets that the Spurs possess. But this has the feel of the RJ acquisition. Spurs and trades always are discussed, but that one happened. It happened during a point in time when it seems like the Spurs felt they stretched as far as they could with what they had. I get the feeling they feel that way at the moment.

Like HH said, they might not do a trade, but hopefully we see they pushed really hard even if it doesn't happen. Better be "Despite multiple conversations late into the night, the Spurs bid for player x fell short as they could not gather the necessary pieces to get a deal done".

I wouldn't put it past them if it read.. "Despite multiple conversations late into the night, the Spurs were unwilling to move certain players on the roster to make the deal work, an inside source close to the team has speculated that Matt Bonner and/or Jeff Ayres were the missing piece to get the deal done." Sometimes the moves or the lack of moves that the Spurs make are real silly.

[xellos88330]

I would agree but for a few years the spurs tried to draft undersized combo guards. Dont know what the buy out is for bertans or for jean charles. I can see hanga coming over, but again a buyout would be necessary. Just don't see that kind of move.

The reason why I don't believe it would be another combo guard is because the Spurs have a plethora of guards already in Joseph, Belli, Green, Ginobili, Mills, Parker, DeColo. If they trade away some of these guys then perhaps it would open the possibility of drafting/trading for a combo guard or SF. I just don't see it happening until that requirement is met.

[TheGoldStandard]

The reason why I don't believe it would be another combo guard is because the Spurs have a plethora of guards already in Joseph, Belli, Green, Ginobili, Mills, Parker, DeColo. If they trade away some of these guys then perhaps it would open the possibility of drafting/trading for a combo guard or SF. I just don't see it happening until that requirement is met.

I see where your going with it and I too would concede that we have a ton of guards but we waived Thomas to get Jeffers and then Shannon brown. I'm not saying Thomas was great but we waived length to go with small guards for what?

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs also could have signed deshaun Thomas for peanuts who was a sf/pf... he wasnt going to be great but dude is better than Ayres. Could rebound and shoot.

[look_at_g_shred]

Everyone here needs to realize that Tiago/Green/Ayres/Td/Kawhi/Manu/parker/bonner/mills/Marco/Diaw are not getting traded. Your left with cj/de colo/Baynes Good luck!

[nickdaquick]

I would love to trade Nando and bonner for Neal and Middleton. Neal is an upgrade over Nando and Middleton would be a good back up to kawhi.

[ace3g]

For some reason I get the feeling some Euroleague player will become available after their season ends early and joins the Spurs. I would be less surprised if this happened than if a trade happened.

[TheGoldStandard]

For some reason I get the feeling some Euroleague player will become available after their season ends early and joins the Spurs. I would be less surprised if this happened than if a trade happened.

Anyone with length and can rebound?

[Mel_13]

The defending Western Conference champion Spurs offered point guard Beno Udrih a chance to return to San Antonio this summer, but he declined, signing a free-agent deal instead with the Knicks.

Now that Mike Woodson has banished Udrih and he has asked for a trade, the Spurs might be a candidate for the Slovenian point guard who has two rings from his time in San Antonio.

Former Knicks general manager Scott Layden, now in the front office of San Antonio, was at Wednesday’s game scouting the Knicks.

http://nypost.com/2014/02/13/udrih-could-land-back-in-san-antonio/

[DPG21920]

Lol wut

[TheGoldStandard]

The defending Western Conference champion Spurs offered point guard Beno Udrih a chance to return to San Antonio this summer, but he declined, signing a free-agent deal instead with the Knicks.

Now that Mike Woodson has banished Udrih and he has asked for a trade, the Spurs might be a candidate for the Slovenian point guard who has two rings from his time in San Antonio.

Former Knicks general manager Scott Layden, now in the front office of San Antonio, was at Wednesday’s game scouting the Knicks.

http://nypost.com/2014/02/13/udrih-could-land-back-in-san-antonio/


These aren't the droids you're looking for

[spurs10]

Everyone here needs to realize that Tiago/Green/Ayres/Td/Kawhi/Manu/parker/bonner/mills/Marco/Diaw are not getting traded. Your left with cj/de colo/Baynes Good luck! I think they will consider Bonner or Ayres along with Baynes, Nando,and Joseph. Just hard to think what they could get of significance without other being involved. It's a tough one for sure.

[loveforthegame]

http://nypost.com/2014/02/13/udrih-could-land-back-in-san-antonio/

Please no. :lol

[TheGoldStandard]

Please no. :lol

If this goes down then we can expect to see RC at the presser pulling open his shirt to reveal an OKC shirt underneath..

[DesignatedT]

Prob offered beno a training camp invite and nothing more :lol

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)To be exact, the Thunder are shopping more for a two-way wing player than simply a shooter.

[Chinook]

ST would have thrown a fit had Pop added Udrih AND Beli... and I would have been right there with everyone. I guess there arw scenarios in which Udrih nad some sense, but I can't think of any.

[Chinook]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)To be exact, the Thunder are shopping more for a two-way wing player than simply a shooter.



My guess is they want Ariza, but perhaps DPG21920 had it right all along with Chandler. I only see the Wiz moving Ariza for Lamb and Jones. They'd take Jackson, but I doubt they'd want to pay him.

[look_at_g_shred]

Bonner & pick for Wesley johnson

bonner, de colo, pick for Jason thompson

Not really much to work with on our side

[Mugen]

I think OKC is targeting Afflalo tbh. Not sure how realistic that is.

[cd021]

My guess is they want Ariza, but perhaps DPG21920 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13014) had it right all along with Chandler. I only see the Wiz moving Ariza for Lamb and Jones. They'd take Jackson, but I doubt they'd want to pay him.

That would make sense. They could move Thabeet and Thabo ( and probably their 1st rounder) for Wilson Chandler. OKC would still be under the luxury tax too. Denver gets a 2nd 1st rounder and has a replacement 3 that is on an expiring contract. Thabeet's contract isn't guaranteed next season, so they could just be done with him.

[cd021]

I would love to trade Nando and bonner for Neal and Middleton. Neal is an upgrade over Nando and Middleton would be a good back up to kawhi.

Neal? He's been replaced twice over with Mills and Belinelli.

[Chinook]

I think OKC is targeting Afflalo tbh. Not sure how realistic that is.

I don't see them taking on long-term money. They'd be very close to the tax next season, with only nine players under contract.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Udrih is secretly Pop's and RC's new centerpiece, tbh.

Sigh.

I wish Kawhi had turned out to be a franchise player. Things would be different. We wouldn't be in this damned holding pattern of just waiting to die.

[szkorhetz]

The defending Western Conference champion Spurs offered point guard Beno Udrih a chance to return to San Antonio this summer, but he declined, signing a free-agent deal instead with the Knicks.

Now that Mike Woodson has banished Udrih and he has asked for a trade, the Spurs might be a candidate for the Slovenian point guard who has two rings from his time in San Antonio.

Former Knicks general manager Scott Layden, now in the front office of San Antonio, was at Wednesday’s game scouting the Knicks.

http://nypost.com/2014/02/13/udrih-could-land-back-in-san-antonio/

J.R. :stirpot:

[callo1]

Rudy Fernandez seems to be on the OKC radar.

Take a chance on Boozer....ouch...maybe, when playing well and healthy. Still no shot blocking.

[Baam]

J.R. :stirpot:


:clap:clap:clap

Pop is ready to go all in and trade for the player with the highest upside.

[Bruno]

What has hurt OKC these past few years has been their ownership cheapness. It especially cost them Harden.

Now, if OKC is ready to pay some luxury tax and if they can get a good wing for their TE/picks, it will suck for Spurs. It will also mean that they will play a lot with Durant at PF. Without an additional SF, Spurs aren't well armed to face that matchup.

[Chillen]

Spurs should see if Lakers would do Matt Bonner, 2nd rd pick for Chris Kaman, I like the way he played last night against OKC.

[Andthentherewas21]

That would make sense. They could move Thabeet and Thabo ( and probably their 1st rounder) for Wilson Chandler. OKC would still be under the luxury tax too. Denver gets a 2nd 1st rounder and has a replacement 3 that is on an expiring contract. Thabeet's contract isn't guaranteed next season, so they could just be done with him.

If Denver was willing to do that, then they would be more willing to do a trade with the Spurs. Spurs can offer the same cap relief through expiring contracts, plus their pick is going to be hiring in the upcoming draft.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Spurs should see if Lakers would do Matt Bonner, 2nd rd pick for Chris Kaman, I like the way he played last night against OKC.

I'd like that.

[monkeypunk]

No, just no. Didn't we learn our lesson with Beno the first time? He's fat lazy and plays no D. Why in the world would we want him back?

Beno is no bueno!

[rudwick]

Here's one to shake things up...
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mmkapnz

[NickiRasgo]

Here's one to shake things up...
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mmkapnz

:lol

[rudwick]

Then this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nycxvds
starters
holiday green leonard duncan chandler
bench
udrih ginobili ariza diaw withey
bonner mills baynes

[NickiRasgo]

Then this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nycxvds
starters
holiday green leonard duncan chandler
bench
udrih ginobili ariza diaw withey
bonner mills baynes

Please stop. :lol

[rudwick]

Works even better as a three-way
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kmyux6t

[cd021]

If Denver was willing to do that, then they would be more willing to do a trade with the Spurs. Spurs can offer the same cap relief through expiring contracts, plus their pick is going to be hiring in the upcoming draft.

It depends on whether they like Thabo and believe he could be could be resigned cheaply enough. They may not concede the playoffs by the 20th so this move would give them a competent stop gap. The Spurs deal would save them cash but they'd take a bigger hit in terms of talent.

[cjw]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l4qsda6

Expirings aren't half bad if they can net you something like this. How many firsts would we have to include to make that work? Philly probably would want two of ours plus one from Charlotte (I'd consider it in a heartbeat to get Young though)

[cd021]

Bonner & pick for Wesley johnson

bonner, de colo, pick for Jason thompson

Not really much to work with on our side

2nd round picks, I'd assume.

The Kings would save $19 million in cash over the next 3 seasons. By doing that deal.

[Baam]

Something that hasn't been brought up is that the Spurs may have been scouting the Kings and not the Knicks in that game...

Random idea :

McLemore + Landry for Beli + Bonbon + first

Landry's contract is terrible so we offer cap relief, a creator having his best year (they only have I. Thomas right now) and a pick.

We get lottery talent/athleticism at the 2 for the post Manu era and get another big to play "small" :
C : Tim Tiago
PF : Boris Landry

[Andthentherewas21]

It depends on whether they like Thabo and believe he could be could be resigned cheaply enough. They may not concede the playoffs by the 20th so this move would give them a competent stop gap. The Spurs deal would save them cash but they'd take a bigger hit in terms of talent.

I agree that it would be a bigger hit in terms of talent for this current season. That being said, if Den trades Chandler it is because they have given up on this season and are trying to get the best value in terms of the future. Gallo is out, Lawson is injured with a broken rib, Mcgee hasn't matured at all, and Miller is a $6 million dollar cancer. If they are high on Thabo they could still get him in FA, its not like they would extend him this season. By trading with the Spurs they get a better pick than what OKC has to offer.

All that being said, I think Den would be looking for more than a late first rounder for Chandler and in that respect OKC has more assets available to sweeten a potential deal than the Spurs

[Chinook]

Expirings aren't half bad if they can net you something like this. How many firsts would we have to include to make that work? Philly probably would want two of ours plus one from Charlotte (I'd consider it in a heartbeat to get Young though)

I'd say one from each with perhaps another piece coming from the Spurs like the rights to an international player.

[szkorhetz]

Something that hasn't been brought up is that the Spurs may have been scouting the Kings and not the Knicks in that game...

Random idea :

McLemore + Landry for Beli + Bonbon + first

Landry's contract is terrible so we offer cap relief, a creator having his best year (they only have I. Thomas right now) and a pick.

We get lottery talent/athleticism at the 2 for the post Manu era and get another big to play "small" :
C : Tim Tiago
PF : Boris Landry
I would love this trade but...

Yeah, right. McLemore will possibly be a a top 5 SG in 5 years. He is a mix of Ray Allen and the young Jason Richardson. I doubt they would move him, even if we would offer Leonard.

[TheGoldStandard]

Sources close to the Spurs have suggested that Jim Boylen is working close with RC Buford on possible trades.

[cd98]

Sources close to the Spurs have suggested that Jim Boylen is working close with RC Buford on possible trades.

Not sure this is such a great idea as Jim Boylen is responsible for Jeff Ayers.

[r0drig0lac]

huummm

[JR3]

Is bonner a trade piece because he has an expiring or something? I don't think teams around the league see any on court value in that guy. Only Pop does.

[TheGoldStandard]

Is bonner a trade piece because he has an expiring or something? I don't think teams around the league see any on court value in that guy. Only Pop does.

Spur for life! Getting 2/12 mil deal this off-season

[TheGoldStandard]

Is bonner a trade piece because he has an expiring or something? I don't think teams around the league see any on court value in that guy. Only Pop does.

Spur for life! Getting 2/12 mil deal this off-season

[cd021]

Is bonner a trade piece because he has an expiring or something? I don't think teams around the league see any on court value in that guy. Only Pop does.

Expiring deal of $3.9 million can be moved for a player making as much as $5.2 million. When packaged with De Colo it jumps to nearly $8 million in returning salary ( the Spurs could acquire a player making that much). Bad teams with long term deals could be interested.

[cd021]

I would love this trade but...

Yeah, right. McLemore will possibly be a a top 5 SG in 5 years. He is a mix of Ray Allen and the young Jason Richardson. I doubt they would move him, even if we would offer Leonard.

It is the Kings...

[DPG21920]

Per Ken Berger:


- The Nuggets, who stumbled into the break losing four straight road games by a combined 110 points, are looking to revive trade talks for point guard Andre Miller, who hasn't played since Dec. 30. The Sixers are one team that could absorb his $5 million salary, but Denver would prefer to find a team that needs Miller for a playoff push and thus would be willing to give up an asset. With an underachieving team and payroll that is clogged up for the next two seasons, the Nuggets are expected to be active at the deadline. One person in contact with Denver officials said everyone on the roster is up for trade discussion except Ty Lawson

Might be of note with regards to Wilson Chandler. With Spurs ability to save them money next year + a first rounder, seems like it could be a legit chance if the Spurs are interested.

[Chinook]

Per Ken Berger:



Might be of note with regards to Wilson Chandler. With Spurs ability to save them money next year + a first rounder, seems like it could be a legit chance if the Spurs are interested.

I think if this were the old CBA and Bonner could be brought back after a buyout, a trade would have already happened. If OKC ia serious abouy going into the tax, I think they are the only team who can outbid the Spurs. Keeping Chandler out of Blue may well be worth giving up a second asset.

Here's the big question: Would you be okay with the Spurs sending out Joseph or Mills and taking back Miller to make the trade work?

[ElNono]

I think if this were the old CBA and Bonner could be brought back after a buyout, a trade would have already happened. If OKC ia serious abouy going into the tax, I think they are the only team who can outbid the Spurs. Keeping Chandler out of Blue may well be worth giving up a second asset.

Here's the big question: Would you be okay with the Spurs sending out Joseph or Mills and taking back Miller to make the trade work?

I would... throw Errors and Boylen for free too...

[Mugen]

I'd easily give up Mills or CoJo and take back Miller if it meant getting Wilson Chandler back tbh.

[Robz4000]

CoJo yes, but I'd have to think twice about Mills. His offense has been important this year.

[Mugen]

The Spurs have 3 backup PGs, 4 if you count Manu who will probably end up assuming the role later in the playoffs. They also have 3 useless bigs on the roster. Ideally, the Spurs can make a move for someone talented enough who Pop will trust to crack the playoff rotation but you can pretty much sell me on any deal that balances the roster out tbh.

[Chinook]

Then what about this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nxaddnq

Using Philly's cap space will probably be the easiest for the Spurs if they give Brown two of his players. May still cost an asset, though. The Nuggets save about $20 Million over this year and next year, so a deal could come cheaply. The only concern (besides whether the teams would go for it) is the lack of a third-string center, which is a big deal with Splitter being injured and Duncan being old.

PG: Parker, Miller, Joseph
SG: Green, Manu, Beli
SF:Leonard, Chandler
PF: Diaw, Randolph, Davies
C: Duncan, Splitter

They'd have two open spots left for bigs, but they'd need some luck with buyouts.

[Mugen]

^Zero chance Pop sends out a 1/3 of his roster at the trade deadline. I think the Nuggets can hold out for a better deal for Chandler. Maybe I'm overvaluing him but I'd think they would want more than just straight cap savings. For example, i think an OKC package of Thabo + one of their young guys (Lamb or Jackson) + a 1st rounder beats any potential deal the Spurs can offer.

Btw, I'd be just fine with that roster for the Spurs, just too convoluted of a scenario for a team that doesn't make big changes tbh.

[Chinook]

^Zero chance Pop sends out a 1/3 of his roster at the trade deadline. I think the Nuggets can hold out for a better deal for Chandler. Maybe I'm overvaluing him but I'd think they would want more than just straight cap savings. For example, i think an OKC package of Thabo + one of their young guys (Lamb or Jackson) + a 1st rounder beats any potential deal the Spurs can offer.

Btw, I'd be just fine with that roster for the Spurs, just too convoluted of a scenario for a team that doesn't make big changes tbh.

I agree. A straight trade for Chandler is probably the best we can hope the Spurs pull off. But it would take sending out about $8 Million to take back Miller in addition to Chandler. Since Denver can't take back four players, the Spurs would have to find a third team. The Spurs probably have to offer two firsts to have a chance unless they make a huge deal.

[ace3g]

Ilyasova is arguably the Bucks’ best trading chip and several teams are believed to be interested in him. According to multiple sources, Ilyasova has expressed a desire to be traded, apparently having had his fill of the Bucks’ continual rebuilding project. Racine Journal-Times - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.phwHRRnn.dpuf

[Chinook]

OKC would crush everyone if they made this offer for Chandler:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l3jjr2h

[Mugen]

I agree. A straight trade for Chandler is probably the best we can hope the Spurs pull off. But it would take sending out about $8 Million to take back Miller in addition to Chandler. Since Denver can't take back four players, the Spurs would have to find a third team. The Spurs probably have to offer two firsts to have a chance unless they make a huge deal.

:tu

thanks for the additional cap research that I am too lazy to get tbh. I think Chandler is a long shot but I thought trading RJ was impossible as well. Hope the Spurs can find a team that overvalues a 1st rounder in this year's draft.

[Chinook]

Ilyasova is arguably the Bucks’ best trading chip and several teams are believed to be interested in him. According to multiple sources, Ilyasova has expressed a desire to be traded, apparently having had his fill of the Bucks’ continual rebuilding project. Racine Journal-Times - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.phwHRRnn.dpuf

Probably my second-favorite trade target behind Chandler. Bonner, De Colo and sweeteners for Ilyasova and Wolters would be a good offer.

[Bruno]

http://journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/bucks-beat-frustrated-ilyasova-wants-out/article_cc9f51c0-95cf-11e3-b8ae-0019bb2963f4.html


According to multiple sources, Ilyasova has expressed a desire to be traded, apparently having had his fill of the Bucks’ continual rebuilding project.

Ilyasova downplayed talk about him wanting out of Milwaukee and declined to comment on whether he or his agent, Andy Miller, had requested a trade.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Milwaukee remains agreeable to helping Gary Neal move onto a competitive team, league sources tell Yahoo. Bucks talking on several fronts.

[BatManu20]

Welp, it's settled then. Gary Neal back to the Spurs for De Colo. The Spurs' "big" move.

[BatManu20]

Ilyasova would be an incredible get. Unfortunately, we have literally nothing realistic to offer for him.

[DPG21920]

OKC would crush everyone if they made this offer for Chandler:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l3jjr2h

Lamb has played very well and Reggie Jackson is so much better than Miller. I would absolutely love if OKC did that trade. Reggie is a huge part of what they do and Lamb is contributing. The lift they may get from Wilson over Lamb would be negated IMO by the gap between Reggie/Miller.

[DPG21920]

I don't see why people would want Ersan so much or any offensive big man. I mean, if it's for very limited assets (Bonner/De Colo/Baynes/Aryes...) absolutely. But whomever the Spurs get will be the 4th best big on the team and likely wouldn't get very many minutes unless there was an injury.

[TheGoldStandard]

Please no Ersan. No more euros for the moment.

[Robz4000]

DPG spitting truth tbh. OKC would get worse trading Lamb/Jackson for Chandler/Miller (at least in a matchup with the Spurs). Bucks would also want more than the Spurs' spare parts for Ilyasova, and even then I don't think he'd make the Spurs much better.

[Chinook]

Lamb has played very well and Reggie Jackson is so much better than Miller. I would absolutely love if OKC did that trade. Reggie is a huge part of what they do and Lamb is contributing. The lift they may get from Wilson over Lamb would be negated IMO by the gap between Reggie/Miller.

I meant no one could come close to that offer, not that OKC would be too good to beat after making that trade.

Also. Ilyasova would probably start, as his range and scoring ability would really help the SL. Also, he's signed reasonably for the next few years, allowing the team to focus on other positions for 2015.

[TheGoldStandard]

I meant no one could come close to that offer, not that OKC would be too good to beat after making that trade.

Also. Ilyasova would probably start, as his range and scoring ability would really help the SL. Also, he's signed reasonably for the next few years, allowing the team to focus on other positions for 2015.

So we shuffle Tiago to the bench?

[SpurPadre]

Not sure this is such a great idea as Jim Boylen is responsible for Jeff Ayers.
He also needs to be reminded we have kawhi Leonard on the team.

[DPG21920]

I meant no one could come close to that offer, not that OKC would be too good to beat after making that trade.

Also. Ilyasova would probably start, as his range and scoring ability would really help the SL. Also, he's signed reasonably for the next few years, allowing the team to focus on other positions for 2015.

Oh, I see - makes sense. I mean, I guess Ersan would start, but Boris starting is so good and Tiago is too impactful not to play significant minutes.

[DPG21920]

As well as Boris has played and with how much he plays winning basketball, I can't envision him losing minutes. I also can't imagine what it would do to his newfound confidence if he did.

[TheGoldStandard]

As well as Boris has played and with how much he plays winning basketball, I can't envision him losing minutes. I also can't imagine what it would do to his newfound confidence if he did.

Baynes and Ayres average about 22 a game. Just feed ilyasova those minutes

[Chinook]

So we shuffle Tiago to the bench?

I think so, as well as giving Diaw minutes at the three.

[Chinook]

As well as Boris has played and with how much he plays winning basketball, I can't envision him losing minutes. I also can't imagine what it would do to his newfound confidence if he did.

I think there's plenty of room for all four bigs in the regular season, and Diaw or Ilyasova can play a little SF if need be. But even if Ersan doesn't play big minutes this year, he's great Diaw insurance. He's young and is a diverse scorer and strong rebounder. If you can get him for cheap, you do it. If anything, he'll be a great flipping candidate for the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

Baynes and Ayres average about 22 a game. Just feed ilyasova those minutes

That's because there have been a lot of injuries. Assuming guys get healthy (big if), I don't see the minutes. Especially for someone who can't defend. To me, I think Boris's great defense + more limited ability to stretch the floor outweighs Ersan's ability to space the floor + limited defense.

Again, if all other deals fail and he can be had for cheap (Bonner/Ayres/DeColo/Baynes types) absolutely. But I really hope a wing is the priority or a more defensive minded big.

[TheGoldStandard]

I think so, as well as giving Diaw minutes at the three.

Which is not a total loss seeing as how splitter averages just a little above 20 minutes a game. I like the small ball lineup too with diaw alternating between the 3 and 4.

[cd021]

So we shuffle Tiago to the bench?

Both Diaw and Splitter would come off the bench, apparently. That would be best. Allowing for Mills/Cojo-Beli-Manu to fill the other three spots.

[Chinook]

That's crazy well balanced. Even if Diaw starts, having Ilyasova with Splitter brings back the crazy PnR and shooting bench of two years ago.

[Spursfanfromafar]

If the Spurs can get Middleton & Ilyasova together, that would be a decent mix of players to replace Bonner + De Colo + Baynes.

But that doesn't help the system because they already have Diaw. And doesn't address the need for a defensive minded backup for Kawhi (neither Ilyasova or Middleton are).

A more ideal trade is one for Marvin Williams by giving up Bonner + De Colo. (Unless they think they can get him via a waiver buyout). Williams would fit the system as a corner 3 specialist and small ball PF who can defend post players and backup Kawhi.

[benfti]

Ilyasova would be an incredible get. Unfortunately, we have literally nothing realistic to offer for him.
Are you kidding me, they are in full tank mode, we have a lot will help them achieve their goals

[TheGoldStandard]

Considering what our assets are, is it too late to maybe buyout an asset overseas like hanga?

He just signed a 4 year deal but not sure what the particulars are and buyout clause. Probably not ready for prime time but trial by fire with limited minutes to spell kawhi.

[nickdaquick]

Neal? He's been replaced twice over with Mills and Belinelli.

Wouldn't you rather have Neal than Nando right now?

[Bruno]

The question behind the need to acquire a good PF (Ilyasova or another player) is the Duncan/Splitter pairing:
How much should they been paired when there isn't a matchup issue?
When they can't be paired because of the matchup, can the newly acquired PF play or should Spurs go with Kawhi at PF?

[TheGoldStandard]

The question behind the need to acquire a good PF (Ilyasova or another player) is the Duncan/Splitter pairing:
How much should they been paired when there isn't a matchup issue?
When they can't be paired because of the matchup, can the newly acquired PF play or should Spurs go with Kawhi at PF?

Given the names that have been thrown out there I'd play Ilyasova at the PF, his length can help disrupt a lot of long jump shooters and he's a decent rebounder, he can also play the 5 if we want to run Kawhi out there at the 4.. leads to a lot of mixed lineups.. Chandler gives you more athletic flexability... I'd like Kawhi to stay at the 3 tho..

[Chinook]

The question behind the need to acquire a good PF (Ilyasova or another player) is the Duncan/Splitter pairing:
How much should they been paired when there isn't a matchup issue?
When they can't be paired because of the matchup, can the newly acquired PF play or should Spurs go with Kawhi at PF?

Even if the opposing team goes small, I think Ilyasova can still play at PF. Just let Leonard guard Durant or James and let Ersan guard a shooter. He's not great on defense, but he's not horrible, and his and Leonard's combined rebounding would destroy most small-ball forward combos. Remember, he has experience guarding the opposing team's worst forward when he lined up next to Mbah a Moute.

Whether Splitter, Diaw or a PF like Ilyasova starts next to Duncan depends on Tim's and Kawhi's shooting. Ilyasova would be a great way to spread the floor while keeping some inside scoring. But if everyone can get back to last year's production, Tiago is still the best option next to Tim normally.

Either way, I'd take Ilyasova as an upgrade to Bonner and Ayres if he can be had cheaply.

[ace3g]

If Wilson Chandler is available, Spurs have to go after him; he would add a lot of versatility to the roster. I'd prefer a big SF that can play some small ball PF over a mobile true PF.

These are some of the plays Denver runs when they have Chandler at small ball PF: http://www.sbnation.com/2013/4/19/4240576/denver-nuggets-pet-play-wilson-chandler

He would be another guy to throw at LeBron/Durant.

One helpful aspect in this situation is that Denver has SF depth (Miller and Hamilton); and they could use some PG depth (something Spurs have an excess of).

Big question, would Chandler be ok with not starting?

[palangi]

I would like to acquire quincy miller form the nuggets. a 6'9" SF. he has great length. and would be a great backup small forward. getting randolph and fournier would be nice too. I now they aren't the big names we want. but they could be had for what we have to offer. they bring youth, length, and athleticism. Miller and Fournier are both very good shooters too. and Randolph gives us a very good long athletic PF.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od8K0nTcFos

[TheGoldStandard]

Just for shits and giggles http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mhclx3y

I laughed pretty hard when I saw that adding Bonner, Ayres and Neal to the 76ers lead to them losing 5 more games.

[cd021]

Wouldn't you rather have Neal than Nando right now?

No. Neal would be buried on the bench behind Mills, Belinelli, and Cojo.

[Spursfanfromafar]

The question behind the need to acquire a good PF (Ilyasova or another player) is the Duncan/Splitter pairing:
How much should they been paired when there isn't a matchup issue?
When they can't be paired because of the matchup, can the newly acquired PF play or should Spurs go with Kawhi at PF?

I think the Splitter-Duncan underwhelming minutes this season is more a case of timing (Duncan's early season blues) and sample size (Splitter's later injury woes). I don't think they had a decent run enough to say that the pairing has done badly.

Having said that Diaw-Duncan is also an useful pairing against a certain set of frontcourts.

I think there is no need to disturb the top end of the front court (Duncan, Diaw & Splitter) and instead there is a need to shore up the awful perimeter defense that is clearly suffering because of structural imbalance (the lack of a tall SF behind Kawhi & the overburdened Green).

Anyone of Marvin Williams, Thad Young, Wilson CHandler is therefore an ideal signing rather than a frontcourt replacement.

[TheGoldStandard]

I would like to acquire quincy miller form the nuggets. a 6'9" SF. he has great length. and would be a great backup small forward. getting randolph and fournier would be nice too. I now they aren't the big names we want. but they could be had for what we have to offer. they bring youth, length, and athleticism. Miller and Fournier are both very good shooters too. and Randolph gives us a very good long athletic PF.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od8K0nTcFos

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mwtxul6 throw in a draft pick and pray that Denver would help us

[palangi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-35rkKTf1Fs

[Chinook]

If Wilson Chandler is available, Spurs have to go after him; he would add a lot of versatility to the roster. I'd prefer a big SF that can play some small ball PF over a mobile true PF.

These are some of the plays Denver runs when they have Chandler at small ball PF: http://www.sbnation.com/2013/4/19/4240576/denver-nuggets-pet-play-wilson-chandler

He would be another guy to throw at LeBron/Durant.

One helpful aspect in this situation is that Denver has SF depth (Miller and Hamilton); and they could use some PG depth (something Spurs have an excess of).

Big question, would Chandler be ok with not starting?

Great article, and I agree Chandler would be ideal for dictating matchups. I think he'd be fine not starting as he's come off the bench a lot in his career. I especially think he'd be okay with in on a contender. Plus, he probably needs to start doing that for his health.

Also, why not run the pick-and-fade play for Leonard when he plays at the four?

[Spurs da champs]

^^ Marvin Williams would be the best fit of those 3 listed, he's a decent defender, shoots the 3 well, & has great size/strength to play either forward position. I think he would best help the Spurs combat the Thunder & Heat, as well as the other athletic teams that give the Spurs trouble.

Anyone aware of how much would the Spurs have to give up?

[TheGoldStandard]

I think the Splitter-Duncan underwhelming minutes this season is more a case of timing (Duncan's early season blues) and sample size (Splitter's later injury woes). I don't think they had a decent run enough to say that the pairing has done badly.

Having said that Diaw-Duncan is also an useful pairing against a certain set of frontcourts.

I think there is no need to disturb the top end of the front court (Duncan, Diaw & Splitter) and instead there is a need to shore up the awful perimeter defense that is clearly suffering because of structural imbalance (the lack of a tall SF behind Kawhi & the overburdened Green).

Anyone of Marvin Williams, Thad Young, Wilson CHandler is therefore an ideal signing rather than a frontcourt replacement.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lay5ak9

This trade works without Ayres but if we can somehow include him everything we do we win big.

[TheGoldStandard]

^^ Marvin Williams would be the best fit of those 3 listed, he's a decent defender, shoots the 3 well, & has great size/strength to play either forward position. I think he would best help the Spurs combat the Thunder & Heat, as well as the other athletic teams that give the Spurs trouble.

Anyone aware of how much would the Spurs have to give up?

Bonner, De Colo and Ayres for good measure.. probably a draft pick because those guys flat out suck hard but that takes cash off the books to help them sign Gordon. Marvin Williams is also a quiet guy, does a lot of things decent enough but not flashy. Good spurs fit

[ace3g]

Wilson Chandler also has the ability to make some plays off the dribble if a play falls apart.

[Spursfanfromafar]

^^ Marvin Williams would be the best fit of those 3 listed, he's a decent defender, shoots the 3 well, & has great size/strength to play either forward position. I think he would best help the Spurs combat the Thunder & Heat, as well as the other athletic teams that give the Spurs trouble.

Anyone aware of how much would the Spurs have to give up?

Bonner + De Colo would suffice. Ayres will need to remain just for being a big body and injury insurance.

[palangi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owekYQ4LRFE

[Spurs da champs]

Bonner, De Colo and Ayres for good measure.. probably a draft pick because those guys flat out suck hard but that takes cash off the books to help them sign Gordon. Marvin Williams is also a quiet guy, does a lot of things decent enough but not flashy. Good spurs fit
Apparently the Jazz want a significant offer for Marvin:

"The Jazz are unlikely to make a move before the deadline, unless a significant offer for Marvin Williams or Richard Jefferson emerges, according to Chad Ford of ESPN.com (Insider only)."

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/marvin-williams

[RD2191]

Why would the Nuggets give up Wilson Chandler?

[TheGoldStandard]

Bonner + De Colo would suffice. Ayres will need to remain just for being a big body and injury insurance.

Its addition by subtraction.

[palangi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r954ub4Jw7c

[Chinook]

I really don't get the love affair with Marvin Williams. The dude sucks and has always sucked. He's been better as a four, but he's still not likely to make the rotation. He's below Young and just above playing Ayres at the three on my list.

[TheGoldStandard]

Apparently the Jazz want a significant offer for Marvin:

"The Jazz are unlikely to make a move before the deadline, unless a significant offer for Marvin Williams or Richard Jefferson emerges, according to Chad Ford of ESPN.com (Insider only)."

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/marvin-williams


I think Williams comes off the books this season and they are trying to create space to keep Favors and Gordon. Gordon is a RFA and I feel like some team will offer up a ransom for him. Might as well get something for a guy who's just going to walk, which would just be a draft pick essentially

[Chinook]

Why would the Nuggets give up Wilson Chandler?

Denver is near the tax next season despite having a lottery team. It would behoove them to save money and tank a bit.

[RD2191]

Denver is near the tax next season despite having a lottery team. It would behoove them to save money and tank a bit.
I see, thanks.

[TheGoldStandard]

Denver is near the tax next season despite having a lottery team. It would behoove them to save money and tank a bit.
Hell yeah, Gallo, Lawson and McGee are eating up all that cap space.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I really don't get the love affair with Marvin Williams. The dude sucks and has always sucked. He's been better as a four, but he's still not likely to make the rotation. He's below Young and just above playing Ayres at the three on my list.

This season, of the lot that is Chandler, Ilyasova, Williams, Thad Young, Evan Turner, Jeff Green in terms of advanced stats (+/-; adjusted, simple etc, PER-opposition PER, and even RAPM), guess who tops the list?

Marvin Williams.

Thad Young is the best player of the lot and suffers from being in a shitty team, but he hasn't played SF at all, while Williams is a traditional SF who could fit the Spurs' requirement as he has played stretch PF all season. The one whom you are slobbering after, Ilyasova has been the worst and has been a negative defender all his career for all his stretch PF gifts.

Besides of all the lot, his is the best contract situation, expiring and his team will demand much lesser than others.

[Spurs da champs]

I think Williams comes off the books this season and they are trying to create space to keep Favors and Gordon. Gordon is a RFA and I feel like some team will offer up a ransom for him. Might as well get something for a guy who's just going to walk, which would just be a draft pick essentially

The extended Favors & I'm not so sure they're willing to overpay Hayward, tho I'd still want Williams, he fits the system the best out of the 3 (Chandler, Young, & Williams), & getting those crappy players in return would help speed the tanking process.

It depends on the Jazz's definition of 'significant', as apparently they want a 'significant' offer for RJ. :lol

[palangi]

Trade with Denver
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mgnbkgw

Nuggets get:

matt bonner
corey joseph
aaron baynes
2nd round pick

Spurs get:

Quincy Miller 6'9" SF- a true SF that can shoot and dribble. has great length and blocks shots. a solid backup for leonard.
Timofey Mosgov 7' C- big and long. much much better than baynes. rebounds very good and blocks shots.
Jordan Hamilton 6'7" SG/SF- a good athlete that can help at both spots. can shoot or drive. can eventually replace green.

PG- parker, mills, de colo
SG- green, bellineli, manu, hamilton
SF- leonard, miller, hamilton
PF- duncan, diaw, ayers
C- splitter, mosgov, ayers

and we have an open spot on the roster too. de colo draws the short end of the stick and is the non dressed player.

[cd021]

A question i'd like to propose to ST. How would you feel if the Spurs stood pat regardless of whether teams like OKC, GSW, or Houston made any moves?

Would the Spurs front office lose some of its luster?

[TheGoldStandard]

The extended Favors & I'm not so sure they're willing to overpay Hayward, tho I'd still want Williams, he fits the system the best out of the 3 (Chandler, Young, & Williams), & getting those crappy players in return would help speed the tanking process.

It depends on the Jazz's definition of 'significant', as apparently they want a 'significant' offer for RJ. :lol


I just noticed that, 31M on the books next season with 10 players on the books.. So some flexability but I do think they give Gordon his chest of gold.. If they're paying Gerald Wallace 10 Mil somewhere and Batum is making 10M.. I'm thinking Gordon gets at least 4/50

[Hoops Czar]

OKC would crush everyone if they made this offer for Chandler:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l3jjr2h

I just read the recent posts. I just threw out the possibility that OKC might go after Chandler. Are they showing interest? Also, there's isn't a snowball's chance in hell OKC would gve up a player like Reggie Jackson for 37 year old Andre Miller unless this post was meant to be facetious. OKC's FO would get murdered for making this trade and whether or not it helps in the short term, Reggie Jackson is going to be the better player over the long term. Small market teams just dont operate this way. He's still cost controlled for another year before he becomes a restricted free agent.

[TheGoldStandard]

A question i'd like to propose to ST. How would you feel if the Spurs stood pat regardless of whether teams like OKC, GSW, or Houston made any moves?

Would the Spurs front office lose some of its luster?

Yes.. especially if they don't address the SF position, that's letting 2 opportunities to fix that hole just fade away.

[Chinook]

This season, of the lot that is Chandler, Ilyasova, Williams, Thad Young, Evan Turner, Jeff Green in terms of advanced stats (+/-; adjusted, simple etc, PER-opposition PER, and even RAPM), guess who tops the list?

Marvin Williams.

Thad Young is the best player of the lot and suffers from being in a shitty team, but he hasn't played SF at all, while Williams is a traditional SF who could fit the Spurs' requirement as he has played stretch PF all season. The one whom you are slobbering after, Ilyasova has been the worst and has been a negative defender all his career for all his stretch PF gifts.

Besides of all the lot, his is the best contract situation, expiring and his team will demand much lesser than others.

Huh? I don't get that logic. Utah wants cap space. He gives them that already. To help out a rival, they'll demand an asset. Why would the Spurs give up a pick for a rental? They either have to re-sign him and mess up the 2015 cap that some many are concerned with or let him go and start all over again. It doesn't make sense to burn a first for that.

Anyhow, you're bragging that Williams has a barely above-average PER this season when everyone else on the list have a much better track record over the last few years or at least bring more to the table. I'm sorry, but I don't get how Williams gets about ninth man at all.

[Chinook]

I just read the recent posts. I just threw out the possibility that OKC might go after Chandler. Are they showing interest? Also, there's isn't a snowball's chance in hell OKC would gve up a player like Reggie Jackson for 37 year old Andre Miller unless this post was meant to be facetious. OKC's FO would get murdered for making this trade and whether or not it helps in the short term, Reggie Jackson is going to be the better player over the long term. Small market teams just dont operate this way. He's still cost controlled for another year before he becomes a restricted free agent.

Supposedly OKC is willing to go into the tax with their TE and want a two-way wing. I don't think they'd make the trade I suggested, and I don't think they'd need to. I was just agreeing with DPG that OKC could easily outbid everyone if they really wanted to.

[Chinook]

Trade with Denver
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mgnbkgw

Nuggets get:

matt bonner
corey joseph
aaron baynes
2nd round pick

Spurs get:

Quincy Miller 6'9" SF- a true SF that can shoot and dribble. has great length and blocks shots. a solid backup for leonard.
Timofey Mosgov 7' C- big and long. much much better than baynes. rebounds very good and blocks shots.
Jordan Hamilton 6'7" SG/SF- a good athlete that can help at both spots. can shoot or drive. can eventually replace green.

PG- parker, mills, de colo
SG- green, bellineli, manu, hamilton
SF- leonard, miller, hamilton
PF- duncan, diaw, ayers
C- splitter, mosgov, ayers

and we have an open spot on the roster too. de colo draws the short end of the stick and is the non dressed player.

Wouldn't do that trade. I'd take Hamilton for De Colo, but that's about it. Mozgov makes too much, and Miller is a scrub. Hamilton is too, but he has some nice length and would be fine for Nando.

[cd021]

Trade with Denver
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mgnbkgw

Nuggets get:

matt bonner
corey joseph
aaron baynes
2nd round pick

Spurs get:



Quincy Miller 6'9" SF- a true SF that can shoot and dribble. has great length and blocks shots. a solid backup for leonard.
Timofey Mosgov 7' C- big and long. much much better than baynes. rebounds very good and blocks shots.
Jordan Hamilton 6'7" SG/SF- a good athlete that can help at both spots. can shoot or drive. can eventually replace green.

PG- parker, mills, de colo
SG- green, bellineli, manu, hamilton
SF- leonard, miller, hamilton
PF- duncan, diaw, ayers
C- splitter, mosgov, ayers

and we have an open spot on the roster too. de colo draws the short end of the stick and is the non dressed player.

Wouldn't that leave them with extremely thin on the wing? they really only have 4 legit wings Chandler and Fournier would be left.

I do like Mosgov, very good on the offensive glass. Certainly better than Ayers and Baynes IMO. Also, I would think that you could substitute De Colo for Cojo. Cojo has $2 million guaranteed next season, while De Colo is an UFA.

[Robz4000]

Trade with Denver
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mgnbkgw

Nuggets get:

matt bonner
corey joseph
aaron baynes
2nd round pick

Spurs get:

Quincy Miller 6'9" SF- a true SF that can shoot and dribble. has great length and blocks shots. a solid backup for leonard.
Timofey Mosgov 7' C- big and long. much much better than baynes. rebounds very good and blocks shots.
Jordan Hamilton 6'7" SG/SF- a good athlete that can help at both spots. can shoot or drive. can eventually replace green.

PG- parker, mills, de colo
SG- green, bellineli, manu, hamilton
SF- leonard, miller, hamilton
PF- duncan, diaw, ayers
C- splitter, mosgov, ayers

and we have an open spot on the roster too. de colo draws the short end of the stick and is the non dressed player.

Denver would never do that trade.

[palangi]

you do know miller has more length, right? miller also has more skill. watch the videos I posted.

[RD2191]

Denver would never do that trade.
:loltbh, I don't know shit about trades but even I laughed at that one.

[palangi]

switching de colo and joseph would help them some at the wing. I do know randolph has played some 3 this year for them as well. and then next year gallinari is back as the 3 also. they also have randy foye still too. I don't think they are playing for this year anymore. and andre miller could bring a wing back for them too.

[Chinook]

you do know miller has more length, right? miller also has more skill. watch the videos I posted.

I watched them and scoffed, no offense. I like Miller's size, but I'll take a guard with a 6-11 wingspan over a forward with a 7-1 wingspan.

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs need to reach out to Carlos Helu or family members for the future... Need a billionaire owner.

[palangi]

:loltbh, I don't know shit about trades but even I laughed at that one.
Listen I don't think the spurs front office makes a big trade. that just isn't their style. this trade here dumps some waste of ours and frees up spots for denver. but it does bring in youth, length, and athleticism to our team. something we sorely lack.

so laugh all you want. I am just throwing out an idea. but i do laugh at your shortsited views.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Huh? I don't get that logic. Utah wants cap space. He gives them that already. To help out a rival, they'll demand an asset. Why would the Spurs give up a pick for a rental? They either have to re-sign him and mess up the 2015 cap that some many are concerned with or let him go and start all over again. It doesn't make sense to burn a first for that.

Anyhow, you're bragging that Williams has a barely above-average PER this season when everyone else on the list have a much better track record over the last few years or at least bring more to the table. I'm sorry, but I don't get how Williams gets about ninth man at all.

The key for the Spurs is the here & the now. They have to win this season or the next and my bet is more on now than later. It is not as if Denver/ 76ers will let go Chandler/Young for nothing. With both players having contracts beyond 2015 and hampering the Spurs' ability to get one more good FA to complement Parker/Leonard as a bottleneck, I don't think the price of getting Williams is high and I don't think the Jazz will ask for a 1st rounder either, if Williams himself demands a trade.

As things stand, PER, advanced stats/ defense metrics, role player intangibles, age, talent etc + the most important Here & Now fit ..

Young > Williams > Chandler > Green > Ilyasova > Turner of all the lot.

Since Young is going to be a near impossible get, Williams is not a bad bet at all. I wouldnt' mind Chandler either but Williams for me wins by a cinch.

[Robz4000]

I watched them and scoffed, no offense. I like Miller's size, but I'll take a guard with a 6-11 wingspan over a forward with a 7-1 wingspan.

I actually think Miller has a lot more upside and could develop into something good. Mozgov and Hamilton are also actual NBA players. Denver wouldn't part with all three though for the Spurs' trash unless they threw in their first, which won't happen for any of those players.

[HI-FI]

A question i'd like to propose to ST. How would you feel if the Spurs stood pat regardless of whether teams like OKC, GSW, or Houston made any moves?

Would the Spurs front office lose some of its luster?
mixed feelings. I value team chemistry, loyalty a lot. But the obvious goal is to win and be your best, and if they pass on certain deals because they're too loyal to the wrong people, then I'd be pissed. It really depends though on what's available and if the player is a great fit.

As for FO losing its luster, I think if this season turns out in an embarrassing defeat, following the Finals collapse, then i think the FO takes a deserved hit.

[cd021]

I just read the recent posts. I just threw out the possibility that OKC might go after Chandler. Are they showing interest? Also, there's isn't a snowball's chance in hell OKC would gve up a player like Reggie Jackson for 37 year old Andre Miller unless this post was meant to be facetious. OKC's FO would get murdered for making this trade and whether or not it helps in the short term, Reggie Jackson is going to be the better player over the long term. Small market teams just dont operate this way. He's still cost controlled for another year before he becomes a restricted free agent.

Then again Ibaka, Durant, and Westbrook are going to make $50 million the season that Jackson enters RFA. But, yeah, it would be way too early to even considering moving him.

I still think Thabo and 1st would be a good start in talks to acquire Chandler.

[Spurs da champs]

Chandler is the better player than Marvin, tho the system negates his skills to being just a 3 point shooter, that coupled with his injury history says he would be ill suited for a team that is already dealing with many injuries. Marvin's length, defensive versatility (being able to guard 3's & 4's), & 3 point shooting (40% this year vs 36% for Chandler & 32% for Young) make him the better fit for the system.

[TheGoldStandard]

The Spurs signing Shannon Brown for the rest of the season is probably all we will get. At seasons end RC will declare the off-season a success because we were able to resign Diaw, Bonner & Mills.. Plus stash 2 picks for 5 years down the road.

[Robz4000]

The FO won't take any blame, at least in the media, until Duncan and Pop retire or someone (like one of the Big 3) speaks out about it. They're too respected even though a lot of the moves and decisions they've made in the past 4/5 years have been questionable (outside the Hill/Leonard trade).

[Chinook]

The key for the Spurs is the here & the now. They have to win this season or the next and my bet is more on now than later. It is not as if Denver/ 76ers will let go Chandler/Young for nothing. With both players having contracts beyond 2015 and hampering the Spurs' ability to get one more good FA to complement Parker/Leonard as a bottleneck, I don't think the price of getting Williams is high and I don't think the Jazz will ask for a 1st rounder either, if Williams himself demands a trade.

As things stand, PER, advanced stats/ defense metrics, role player intangibles, age, talent etc + the most important Here & Now fit ..

Young > Williams > Chandler > Green > Ilyasova > Turner of all the lot.

Since Young is going to be a near impossible get, Williams is not a bad bet at all. I wouldnt' mind Chandler either but Williams for me wins by a cinch.

And I disagree. That's fine. But I'd rather the team deals with a barely guaranteed third year like Chandler has over an expiring for a low-ceiling player like Williams. I think Chandler and Ilyasova hold a bunch of potential value during the 2015 draft and off-season even if they aren't in the post-Big Three plans.

And they both shore up major talent deficiencies. Chandler can play a lot of minutes as a utility player, and Ilyasova would be the youngest big on the team with both and inside and outside game. Having a big who can get his own shot next to Duncan would be huge.

[TheGoldStandard]

The FO won't take any blame, at least in the media, until Duncan and Pop retire or someone (like one of the Big 3) speaks out about it. They're too respected even though a lot of the moves and decisions they've made in the past 4/5 years have been questionable (outside the Hill/Leonard trade).

This is true, they always get the "they draft smart" the majority of them drafting guys we never see here ever. or they get the "The system means they can plug any scrub in" but the case being that our Big 3 have to really amp up there game to make up for the lack of all around skill from those role players we plug in.

[Spursfanfromafar]

And I disagree. That's fine. But I'd rather the team deals with a barely guaranteed third year like Chandler has over an expiring for a low-ceiling player like Williams. I think Chandler and Ilyasova hold a bunch of potential value during the 2015 draft and off-season even if they aren't in the post-Big Three plans. And they both shore up major talent deficiencies. Chandler can a lot of minutes as a utility player, and Ilyasova would be the youngest big on the team with both and inside and outside game. Having a big who can get his own shot next to Duncan would be huge.

Lets agree to disagree on ILyasova, who is really a so-so defender one-on-one and is more useful for offense, which Diaw already gives us and I am willing to bet that Diaw returns back next season with a similar contract and much lower than Ilyasova's. I still hold that there is a decent chance that the Spurs get Love after next year and that chance is gone if Ilyasova is signed.

Chandler, I like.. But he is injury prone for far too long now and has a fragile history. I like Williams better than him for that purpose. Dont' see Chandler contributing to the Spurs in a reliable way this year as much as Williams.

[TheGoldStandard]

Lets agree to disagree on ILyasova, who is really a so-so defender one-on-one and is more useful for offense, which Diaw already gives us and I am willing to bet that Diaw returns back next season with a similar contract and much lower than Ilyasova's. I still hold that there is a decent chance that the Spurs get Love after next year and that chance is gone if Ilyasova is signed.

Chandler, I like.. But he is injury prone for far too long now and has a fragile history. I like Williams better than him for that purpose. Dont' see Chandler contributing to the Spurs in a reliable way this year as much as Williams.

What scenario do you see Love coming here?

[Spursfanfromafar]

What scenario do you see Love coming here?

A talented player who has never reached the post-season and has always played for a losing team, seeking to play for a winner which has a great coach, a terrific FO and a set of players that complement his talents.

Won't say the Spurs are a slam dunk among the suitors, but they would be pretty darn close to a team that can woo Love, provided Parker, Leonard, Splitter are the core of the team (and perhaps even Duncan stays on for a season or more as a veteran mentor) and is coached by Pop.

With cap space due to Manu's & TD's expirings and a reasonable contract for Kawhi, the Spurs can find space for a near max contract for Love and if they can make the right pitch, what prevents Love from atleast thinking "yes"?

[Chinook]

Lets agree to disagree on ILyasova, who is really a so-so defender one-on-one and is more useful for offense, which Diaw already gives us and I am willing to bet that Diaw returns back next season with a similar contract and much lower than Ilyasova's. I still hold that there is a decent chance that the Spurs get Love after next year and that chance is gone if Ilyasova is signed.

Chandler, I like.. But he is injury prone for far too long now and has a fragile history. I like Williams better than him for that purpose. Dont' see Chandler contributing to the Spurs in a reliable way this year as much as Williams.

We've already talked about our views on the 2015 FA period, so there's that. I think the team will have to make smart trades to acquire taleny without tanking. Having good chips like Chandler's mostly non-guaranteed deal or having a youngish big on a reasonable deal (and whose numbers could/should skyrocket in the Spurs' system) would better help the team. Trading for Love on draft night seems much more likely than signing him outright.

Speaking of 2015 FA, I wouldn't be shocked to see Bosh being a target if he doesn't opt out this summer (which I don't think he will). Can't see the Heatles staying together past next season. He, LA and Love make a strong class.

So to Chandler. His injuries issues lower his value, but I'm not too concerned with them if he comes off the bench. I think he's more valyable in that role than Williams would be because he can competently play three positions as opposed to two. He and Leonard can share the court even while the team plays big.

[TheGoldStandard]

A talented player who has never reached the post-season and has always played for a losing team, seeking to play for a winner which has a great coach, a terrific FO and a set of players that complement his talents.

Won't say the Spurs are a slam dunk among the suitors, but they would be pretty darn close to a team that can woo Love, provided Parker, Leonard, Splitter are the core of the team (and perhaps even Duncan stays on for a season or more as a veteran mentor) and is coached by Pop.

With cap space due to Manu's & TD's expirings and a reasonable contract for Kawhi, the Spurs can find space for a near max contract for Love and if they can make the right pitch, what prevents Love from atleast thinking "yes"?

I see what you're saying.. It's going to take some smart moves in order to keep the price tag for Boris, Green down.. I see Parker probably getting 10M a year, Kawhi 4/48

[Robz4000]

Only one of those FAs I see considering the Spurs is LA. Love will prolly be a Laker and Bosh will go for the money in a large market now that he's won rings.

[Spursfanfromafar]

We've already talked about our views on the 2015 FA period, so there's that. I think the team will have to make smart trades to acquire taleny without tanking. Having good chips like Chandler's mostly non-guaranteed deal or having a youngish big on a reasonable deal (and whose numbers could/should skyrocket in the Spurs' system) would better help the team. Trading for Love on draft night seems much more likely than signing him outright.

Speaking of 2015 FA, I wouldn't be shocked to see Bosh being a target if he doesn't opt out this summer (which I don't think he will). Can't see the Heatles staying together past next season. He, LA and Love make a strong class.

So to Chandler. His injuries issues lower his value, but I'm not too concerned with them if he comes off the bench. I think he's more valyable in that role than Williams would be because he can competently play three positions as opposed to two. He and Leonard can share the court even while the team plays big.

The major issue with your view is that the Spurs are showing no sign of holding that kind of a view! The sign-no-one-beyond-2015 strategy seems to be imprinted in every move they have made so far and I don't see a radical change in that. So I rule out ILyasova. Chandler, yes, maybe.. but there is less chance of Denver delivering and with his injury history, I think the Spurs will value Williams more as he is a clearer fit with their strategy.

And yes, 2015 with Bosh, LA & Love would be a good class to choose from. LA will stay in Portland, that much is pretty clear after this season, while I don't know where Bosh will "take his talents" to. Miami will rejig something out of the same Heatles combination, I think, if they continue to contend so well. Trust Riley to do that much.

[alfahdlan]

If Wilson Chandler is available, Spurs have to go after him; he would add a lot of versatility to the roster. I'd prefer a big SF that can play some small ball PF over a mobile true PF.

These are some of the plays Denver runs when they have Chandler at small ball PF: http://www.sbnation.com/2013/4/19/4240576/denver-nuggets-pet-play-wilson-chandler

He would be another guy to throw at LeBron/Durant.

One helpful aspect in this situation is that Denver has SF depth (Miller and Hamilton); and they could use some PG depth (something Spurs have an excess of).

Big question, would Chandler be ok with not starting?


With him in, Spurs can field a line-up of ginobili/leonard/chandler/splitter/duncan that can contain any heat line-up

[Spursfanfromafar]

I see what you're saying.. It's going to take some smart moves in order to keep the price tag for Boris, Green down.. I see Parker probably getting 10M a year, Kawhi 4/48

Parker will get the previous Manu package, methinks - $13-14 million * 3. Leonard will have to start off from $9-$10ish as first year base going up * 4 in his first extension, which I think is a good enough number for his output, maybe a little more. And that will give space for pursuing Love.

[Chinook]

The major issue with your view is that the Spurs are showing no sign of holding that kind of a view! The sign-no-one-beyond-2015 strategy seems to be imprinted in every move they have made so far and I don't see a radical change in that. So I rule out ILyasova. Chandler, yes, maybe.. but there is less chance of Denver delivering and with his injury history, I think the Spurs will value Williams more as he is a clearer fit with their strategy.

And yes, 2015 with Bosh, LA & Love would be a good class to choose from. LA will stay in Portland, that much is pretty clear after this season, while I don't know where Bosh will "take his talents" to. Miami will rejig something out of the same Heatles combination, I think, if they continue to contend so well. Trust Riley to do that much.

We don't know their strategy. We all though stashing LJC was a sign the team planned on using 2013 cap space, but that obviously didn't happen. I'm sure the team wants to keep its options open. But what that means for their overall desire to remain competitive after Duncan retires is still up on the air and will be unless/until Parker extends. If he leaves in 2015 FA, the Spurs' plan would change. But if he extends, then the question of his 2015 salary comes into play. If it's modest, they'll be in position to use cap space. If it's not, then they won't. Also of issue will be what amount of money they are willing to give Leonard on an extension.

The 2015 off-season will have a ton of moving parts. If they plan on keeping the machine going, they have to lock in the big pieces ASAP. Otherwise, they risk losing important pieces in the jigsaw puzzle.

[TheGoldStandard]

We all know that the Spurs will be targeting this guy in the draft, according to RC he doesn't quite have the hands of his brother or the court vision but he has that "it" factor.
http://i59.tinypic.com/kap6h4.jpg

[Spursfanfromafar]

We don't know their strategy. We all though stashing LJC was a sign the team planned on using 2013 cap space, but that obviously didn't happen. I'm sure the team wants to keep its options open. But what that means for their overall desire to remain competitive after Duncan retires is still up on the air and will be unless/until Parker extends. If he leaves in 2015 FA, the Spurs' plan would change. But if he extends, then the question of his 2015 salary comes into play. If it's modest, they'll be in position to use cap space. If it's not, then they won't. Also of issue will be what amount of money they are willing to give Leonard on an extension.

The 2015 off-season will have a ton of moving parts. If they plan on keeping the machine going, they have to lock in the big pieces ASAP. Otherwise, they risk losing important pieces in the jigsaw puzzle.

Stashing LJC was because there was no player who could be taken apart from him who could contribute this season in a crappy draft.

I think the SPurs would prefer to set the terms of pricing in getting players rather than being forced to buy some at costs that they haven't determined .. when they face an uncertain future. That means, they would seek to build via free agency and if it doesn't pan out (which I think is unlikely), they will rebuild via tanking & draft.

This core, they have, they can sustain for one more year provided they plug weaknesses..not future inefficiencies.

[RD2191]

We all know that the Spurs will be targeting this guy in the draft, according to RC he doesn't quite have the hands of his brother or the court vision but he has that "it" factor.
http://i59.tinypic.com/kap6h4.jpg
:lmao

[TheGoldStandard]

:lmao

Jim Boylen: He's really solid from the FT line.

[Mikeanaro]

Another Errors?:p:
Never say never with this FO, in SA 6´3¨ is power forward material

[HarlemHeat37]

- I was a big advocate of Wilson Chandler to the Spurs when he was with the Knicks, and while I certainly wouldn't mind the move right now, he has been pretty mediocre this season, tbh..he's definitely more of a small-ball 4 at this point, which is where Denver played him last year, but he hasn't looked good at SF this season under Brian Shaw, particularly defensively..

He's a very good shooter and off-ball player, though, so he would probably fit well with the Spurs, but defensively, he's more of a 4 at this point IMO..

- It's difficult to get excited about Ilyasova this season, his game has deteriorated, tbh..last year, his xRAPM, IPV and overall on/off metrics were very solid, one of the best stretch bigs in the league, but he has just been completely awful this season, tbh..not to mention that even at his peak, he's a below average defender(although his rebounding helps, to be fair)..

I love Khris Middleton's game, tbh, I'd love to have him on the Spurs..if the Spurs could manage to get both, I'd be happy with Ilyasova..

- Marvin Williams has low upside, but he's probably the best fit for the Spurs..he's the best defensive player of the bunch, he's a good shooter and he can legitimately play small-ball 4..he has the best defensive metrics of any Jazz perimeter player the past 2 seasons and it isn't even close..

[RD2191]

Jim Boylen: He's really solid from the FT line.
Can't teach his kind of hustle. :lol

[TheGoldStandard]

Another Errors?:p:
Never say never with this FO, in SA 6´3¨ is power forward material

I have never seen someone have a higher 3 pt percentage over a FT percentage

[TheGoldStandard]

Can't teach his kind of hustle. :lol

When he turns over the ball he quickly gets back on defense.

[Chinook]

Stashing LJC was because there was no player who could be taken apart from him who could contribute this season in a crappy draft.

I think the SPurs would prefer to set the terms of pricing in getting players rather than being forced to buy some at costs that they haven't determined .. when they face an uncertain future. That means, they would seek to build via free agency and if it doesn't pan out (which I think is unlikely), they will rebuild via tanking & draft.

This core, they have, they can sustain for one more year provided they plug weaknesses..not future inefficiencies.

The core can sustain so long as they remain healthy. If they can't, they can't win no matter who they have. It would be nice to use assets to add to their core rather than supplementing it. They have three years of underachievement so show them why bringing in stopgaps is a poor strategy.

If anything, trading for their new superstar allows them to set the price for everyone else, because they don't have to worry about the cap. Not to mention they'd get the MLE and LLE to work with instead of the room exception.

If the Spurs want to reload after the Big Three era is over, trades are the best way to go as it allows them to take more salary in thus get better players. If they want tk rebuild, they'll still be under the cap and can move their mid-sized deals for assets. I don't see why they'd shy away from $2 Million over having to give Williams or whomever replaces him a multi-year deal or have the same problems over again with having no back up to Leonard.

[Mikeanaro]

I have never seen someone have a higher 3 pt percentage over a FT percentage
LOL! You are right I wasnt looking the stats thats catastrophic...he makes shaq look like calderon or rick barry. Weird shit.

[RD2191]

When he turns over the ball he quickly gets back on defense.
:lmao

[Chinook]

- I was a big advocate of Wilson Chandler to the Spurs when he was with the Knicks, and while I certainly wouldn't mind the move right now, he has been pretty mediocre this season, tbh..he's definitely more of a small-ball 4 at this point, which is where Denver played him last year, but he hasn't looked good at SF this season under Brian Shaw, particularly defensively..

He's a very good shooter and off-ball player, though, so he would probably fit well with the Spurs, but defensively, he's more of a 4 at this point IMO..

- It's difficult to get excited about Ilyasova this season, his game has deteriorated, tbh..last year, his xRAPM, IPV and overall on/off metrics were very solid, one of the best stretch bigs in the league, but he has just been completely awful this season, tbh..not to mention that even at his peak, he's a below average defender(although his rebounding helps, to be fair)..

I love Khris Middleton's game, tbh, I'd love to have him on the Spurs..if the Spurs could manage to get both, I'd be happy with Ilyasova..

- Marvin Williams has low upside, but he's probably the best fit for the Spurs..he's the best defensive player of the bunch, he's a good shooter and he can legitimately play small-ball 4..he has the best defensive metrics of any Jazz perimeter player the past 2 seasons and it isn't even close..

The fact that Ilyasova and Chandler are dogging it this season is why they're gettable. We're not talking about Ariza or Afflalo anymore. We have to hope they can get back to their old ways in the Spurs' system ... Wow that sounds like the RJ rationale, but anyway ... Chandler still has the agility to play the three, especially behind Leonard. Ilyasova has been playing better recently. Their both in new systems on bad teams. I think in smaller roles in an better system on a good team, they can be great. And if they suck, it's not a big deal. The team will just be out a first. I just don't feel comfortable with giving up a pick for someone who has little upside and will put the team in a difficult position in the summer.

[xellos88330]

FUCK IT!!! TRADE EVERYONE AND BUY A DAMN TROPHY!!!!




ps: Drunk

[Spursfanfromafar]

- I was a big advocate of Wilson Chandler to the Spurs when he was with the Knicks, and while I certainly wouldn't mind the move right now, he has been pretty mediocre this season, tbh..he's definitely more of a small-ball 4 at this point, which is where Denver played him last year, but he hasn't looked good at SF this season under Brian Shaw, particularly defensively..

He's a very good shooter and off-ball player, though, so he would probably fit well with the Spurs, but defensively, he's more of a 4 at this point IMO..

- It's difficult to get excited about Ilyasova this season, his game has deteriorated, tbh..last year, his xRAPM, IPV and overall on/off metrics were very solid, one of the best stretch bigs in the league, but he has just been completely awful this season, tbh..not to mention that even at his peak, he's a below average defender(although his rebounding helps, to be fair)..

I love Khris Middleton's game, tbh, I'd love to have him on the Spurs..if the Spurs could manage to get both, I'd be happy with Ilyasova..

- Marvin Williams has low upside, but he's probably the best fit for the Spurs..he's the best defensive player of the bunch, he's a good shooter and he can legitimately play small-ball 4..he has the best defensive metrics of any Jazz perimeter player the past 2 seasons and it isn't even close..

This.. I completely agree.

[TheGoldStandard]

The fact that Ilyasova and Chandler are dogging it this season is why they're gettable. We're not talking about Ariza or Afflalo anymore. We have to hope they can get back to their old ways in the Spurs' system ... Wow that sounds like the RJ rationale, but anyway ... Chandler still has the agility to play the three, especially behind Leonard. Ilyasova has been playing better recently. Their both in new systems on bad teams. I think in smaller roles in an better system on a good team, they can be great. And if they suck, it's not a big deal. The team will just be out a first. I just don't feel comfortable with giving up a pick for someone who has little upside and will put the team in a difficult position in the summer.

I think the fact that there has been so much turnover with the Bucks hurts the chemistry of the team and overall play of Ilyasova plus he's had some nagging injuries. If he's healthy now then he makes sense.. Chandler makes sense too, much more of an athletic defender but his outside shot is screwy

[FireMicoHalili]

We're probably trading for Beno, keeping Shannon Brown, and somehow ending up with Brandon Bass. Love the Spurs FO because Duncan is the best at 37 and there's a lot left in the tank so we can surround him with scrubs. Love tweeners who help take pressure off The Big 3. Love the Spurs FO because the team hasn't been healthy and there isn't a shortage of talent. De Colo is the best. CoJo is and always will be an underrated defender. Bonner is the X Factor. Ayres is as mobile as David Robinson. Tiago is worth every penny. Clearly this is the best way to make use of Duncan's last two years.

[Jwash_1986]

We're probably trading for Beno, keeping Shannon Brown, and somehow ending up with Brandon Bass. Love the Spurs FO because Duncan is the best at 37 and there's a lot left in the tank so we can surround him with scrubs. Love tweeners who help take pressure off The Big 3. Love the Spurs FO because the team hasn't been healthy and there isn't a shortage of talent. De Colo is the best. CoJo is and always will be an underrated defender. Bonner is the X Factor. Ayres is as mobile as David Robinson. Tiago is worth every penny. Clearly this is the best way to make use of Duncan's last two years.

[Jwash_1986]

Even though I'm not a trade expert I would think any team in the west that our competing or at least attempting too wouldn't do any type of trade with the Spurs. I would think if you got a player via trade it'll be from the East.

[look_at_g_shred]

We're probably trading for Beno, keeping Shannon Brown, and somehow ending up with Brandon Bass. Love the Spurs FO because Duncan is the best at 37 and there's a lot left in the tank so we can surround him with scrubs. Love tweeners who help take pressure off The Big 3. Love the Spurs FO because the team hasn't been healthy and there isn't a shortage of talent. De Colo is the best. CoJo is and always will be an underrated defender. Bonner is the X Factor. Ayres is as mobile as David Robinson. Tiago is worth every penny. Clearly this is the best way to make use of Duncan's last two years.
Don't torture yourself dude just pick another team to watch.

[Jwash_1986]

Don't torture yourself dude just pick another team to watch.
Even though I agree with you homie. I don't real understand why Spurs like smaller players? Why we need Beno if we got Patty? Why we needed Jeffers and Brown if we had Thomas? I'm 6"2' is it possible if I can get some action? I'll take a 10 day since they handing them out you dig.

[look_at_g_shred]

^ ain't no sense of complaining if it changes nothing is all I'm saying. It annoys the hell outta me seeing everyone talk shit about how we do nothing. A trade will happen when it happens and not a moment sooner. If the spurs dnt make a trade, in still gonna root for them. It doesn't mean you have to.

[Spurs da champs]

^ ain't no sense of complaining if it changes nothing is all I'm saying. It annoys the hell outta me seeing everyone talk shit about how we do nothing. A trade will happen when it happens and not a moment sooner. If the spurs dnt make a trade, in still gonna root for them. It doesn't mean you have to.

So being frustrated with R.C's ineptitude means that you aren't a fan. True fans aren't afraid to criticize their teams, & that is a fact. If Spurs fail to make a move, I'll criticize them, but I'll never stop being a fan.

[look_at_g_shred]

I ain't afraid either. I wish that this team was more athletic and quicker but me bitching about it on a forum isn't gonna change those two hard headed fucks named pop and rc's mind. Like I said, trade or no trade. I'll be right there in May watching my team.

[td4mvp2k]

I ain't afraid either. I wish that this team was more athletic and quicker but me bitching about it on a forum isn't gonna change those two hard headed fucks named pop and rc's mind. Like I said, trade or no trade. I'll be right there in May watching my team.

:tu

[ace3g]

Chris Haynes ‏@ChrisBHaynes (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes) 14h (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/434573093084725248) Sources: Free agent G Rodrigue Beaubois to begin workouts next week with Washington, Memphis expected to bring him in http://www.csnnw.com/nba/sources-free-agent-beaubois-begin-workouts-nba-teams … (http://t.co/SxOa9mIvM0)

Chris Haynes ‏@ChrisBHaynes (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes) 19m (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/434788288361009152)
Sources: The Cavaliers and Nuggets inquiring about trading for Idaho Stampede star guard Pierre Jackson http://www.csnnw.com/nba/cleveland-denver-interested-trading-pierre-jackson … (http://t.co/H2jhCY57o3)

[ace3g]

Ken Berger @KBergCBS
(https://twitter.com/KBergCBS)Sources: Nuggets work out banished Andre Miller, consider reunion. cbsprt.co/1dUg0Hi (http://t.co/RkpUU0W1ak)

[Chinook]

Probably the preface to a trade. Or maybe the realization that no one wants him and that he'll be on the team for a while.

[FutureMan]

I would do this if they wanted to win NOW.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lss95qn
And throw in a first round pick. The Lakers aren't making the playoffs so they can get a free pick from us. Kaman is a good rebounder and Johnson will be fine as a back up SF to Leonard.
PG: Parker PG: Mills PG: Joseph
SG: Green SG: Belinelli/Ginobili SG: Brown
SF: Leonard SF: Johnson/Ginobili SF: Johnson
PF: Duncan PF: Diaw PF: Bonner
C: Splitter C: Kaman C: Ayers

[FireMicoHalili]

Don't torture yourself dude just pick another team to watch.
Not listening to the guy who waited x games just so Danny Green plays well to prove a point. Thanks for the unsolicited advice though.

[look_at_g_shred]

Stalker? ^

[ace3g]

Scott Howard-Cooper @SHowardCooper
(https://twitter.com/SHowardCooper)Evan Turner not expecting to be traded by Thursday deadline. If 76ers are holding out for a No. 1, strong sense is they won’t get it.

[Chinook]

Scott Howard-Cooper @SHowardCooper
(https://twitter.com/SHowardCooper)Evan Turner not expecting to be traded by Thursday deadline. If 76ers are holding out for a No. 1, strong sense is they won’t get it.



Could lower the asking price on Young.

[TD 21]

^^ Marvin Williams would be the best fit of those 3 listed, he's a decent defender, shoots the 3 well, & has great size/strength to play either forward position. I think he would best help the Spurs combat the Thunder & Heat, as well as the other athletic teams that give the Spurs trouble.

Anyone aware of how much would the Spurs have to give up?

Considering he's on an expiring contract, they have a ton of cap space, he fits well and he's still young enough to be a part of their re-build, they have no incentive to trade him unless they're getting an asset in return, so it'll cost the Spurs one of a 1st or the rights to Bertans or Jean-Charles, in addition to the requisite expiring contracts.

Even though it's a no brainer, I'm skeptical the Spurs go after a player this prominent (a fringe starter/7th man type), because it would require starting Diaw and making Splitter the backup C, in order to get ideal use out of that player. None of those three assets are great, but they're good enough that they probably don't give one up if they're comfortable with an insurance policy.

[FireMicoHalili]

Stalker? ^
No I just keep an eye out for bad arguments. Also hey last time you were talking you said you'd be out of this place.

[ace3g]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)Yahoo Sports sources: Andre Miller has no interest in returning to the Nuggets. yhoo.it/MYaf5i (http://t.co/BqQz48Hz00)

[Chinook]

Makes a salary dump somewhat more likely, or perhaps he's willing to accept a really team-friendly buyout.

[r0drig0lac]

gary neal comércio para os Rockets por dois segundos rodadas, são vistos em realgm alguém confirma?
edit: false

[DapDaGenius]

We all know that the Spurs will be targeting this guy in the draft, according to RC he doesn't quite have the hands of his brother or the court vision but he has that "it" factor.


That would be a good thing. lol

[Baam]

I think we're at a point where we need a Mav like run with hot shooting since our stars don't seem as good as last season, thus I'd favor a 3pt threat.

If we want someone who can plays big minutes it can't be a scrub/low profile player/prospect either...

So who does that leave :

- Ilyasova
- JR Smith
- Shumpert
- Ariza

Good 3pt shooters with decent to very good defense or at least rebounding in Ilyasova's case.

I would also like a low post scorer like Kaman but he wouldn't fit with Tiago so unless Splitter's traded I don't see it.

Damn just found that while googling for trade rumors : https://vine.co/v/MuPlrEOdnKQ
:wow if we don't get him, we should pray he doesn't get moved to the West tbh... It also feels like the Wizards have also beat the Thunder as often as anyone the past 2 years, even when they were bad... That kind of thing can happen when you're athletic as hell and stacked at the 3...

[Dverde]

We have plenty of shooters already, we need someone who can drive, finish, and create for others. Only Tony, Manu can do this. Marco is okay at it. Still hoping Leonard gets better.

[Jwash_1986]

I ain't afraid either. I wish that this team was more athletic and quicker but me bitching about it on a forum isn't gonna change those two hard headed fucks named pop and rc's mind. Like I said, trade or no trade. I'll be right there in May watching my team.

[moisaenz]

Hopefully the spurs make a move, they have to go all in these last two years, I do not think manu is going to play decently past these two seasons.

[ace3g]

If the Spurs think they can get away with using Diaw at back up SF the rest of the year and are more concerned about Manu, what would you think about Rodney Stuckey?

[Chinook]

If the Spurs think they can get away with using Diaw at back up SF the rest of the year and are more concerned about Manu, what would you think about Rodney Stuckey?

As a buyout canddate perhaps. But there's no way I'd trade for him. The Spurs a loaded with guard, and they're all playing well.

[cd021]

"The 76ers' focus in the days leading up to Thursday's NBA trade deadline is acquiring draft picks, according to an Eastern Conference executive.The franchise wants to gain future compensation in exchange for Evan Turner, Spencer Hawes, and Thaddeus Young, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

With the most cap space in the league and an open roster spot, the Sixers will consider acquiring an expiring contract from a team looking to dump a salary. But that most likely will also involve receiving a draft pick. As a result, the 76ers are believed to be the most active team in trade talks leading up to the deadline. The Sixers have had discussions with all 29 other NBA franchises."

http://articles.philly.com/2014-02-16/sports/47382257_1_turner-and-hawes-sixers-evan-turner

[cd021]

"Trade talk at All-Star weekend has been "as slow as it's been in a long time," said one executive who has not received a single phone call. A lot of teams have made it known which players they are open to moving, but the problem is finding trade partners. Very few teams are willing to part with premium draft picks or take on future salary, which are the two key drivers for trades."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer/ken-berger/24445936/all-star-diary-props-to-melo-aldridge-for-caring

[Bruno]

With the trade deadline coming, I've unstuck this thread and move the post about Amico rumor of Ilyasova or Young to a new thread.

I guess the best is to keep using this thread for trade ideas and to start new threads when there is a Spurs trade rumor popping up.

[TheGreatYacht]

If Diaw wants to get overpaid, let him walk and sign Pau for that 2yr/18M contract

Keep Mills no matter what.

Draft Cleanthony Early if Embiid doesn't fall to 30

Give Kawhi that Steph Curry contract... 11M/yr

Pay Chip Engelland

[Mel_13]

If Diaw wants to get overpaid, let him walk and sign Pau for that 2yr/18M contract

Keep Mills no matter what.

Draft Cleanthony Early if Embiid doesn't fall to 30

Give Kawhi that Steph Curry contract... 11M/yr

Pay Chip Engelland

It doesn't work that way. You really should learn the rules before you post on the subject.

[BackHome]

Damn I felt that through my computer..lol..

[TheGreatYacht]

It doesn't work that way. You really should learn the rules before you post on the subject.
I know the rules, what are you suggesting then? People on here want to pull the impossible out of their ass and chase Lebron or trade for Love... Gasol is the realistic option

[Mel_13]

I know the rules, what are you suggesting then? People on here want to pull the impossible out of their ass and chase Lebron or trade for Love... Gasol is the realistic option

You clearly don't know the rules as your last post outlined an impossible scenario.

This may help:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

[TheGreatYacht]

You clearly don't know the rules as your last post outlined an impossible scenario.

This may help:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm
Diaw's 4.5M, Bonner's 3.5M, Mills' 1.5M, Baynes' $ off the books + MLE

Plus the cap is likely to increase by 5M this summer...

Whats your point

[Mel_13]

Diaw's 4.5M, Bonner's 3.5M, Mills' 1.5M, Baynes' $ off the books + MLE

Plus the cap is likely to increase by 5M this summer...

Whats your point

That's not how it works. Learn the rules before you post.

I don't have the time nor the inclination to spoonfeed someone who spends as much time trolling as you do.

Rest assured that anyone who understands this business has already identified you as a poser.

So, if you want to sit at the big people table then learn the rules and stop the troll jobs. Otherwise, troll away.

[TheGreatYacht]

That's not how it works. Learn the rules before you post.

I don't have the time nor the inclination to spoonfeed someone who spends as much time trolling as you do.

Rest assured that anyone who understands this business has already identified you as a poser.

So, if you want to sit at the big people table then learn the rules and stop the troll jobs. Otherwise, troll away.
Okay kid, go post your pointless shit on the "Love interested in playing for the Spurs" thread and tell them it's impossible. There's no fucks given over here

[Mel_13]

Okay kid, go post your pointless shit on the "Love interested in playing for the Spurs" thread and tell them it's impossible. There's no fucks given over here

That non-response doesn't change the fact that your posts in this thread demonstrate that you don't know how this works. There are plenty of folks around here who also lack knowledge, but you seem to be going out of your way to demonstrate your deficiencies. I thought I'd let you know and provide you with the best reference available to help you improve your posts on this subject.

[TheGreatYacht]

That non-response doesn't change the fact that your posts in this thread demonstrate that you don't know how this works. There are plenty of folks around here who also lack knowledge, but you seem to be going out of your way to demonstrate your deficiencies. I thought I'd let you know and provide you with the best reference available to help you improve your posts on this subject. you keep responding like I care :nope

[Mel_13]

you keep responding like I care :nope

Ironic post. Clearly you do care. You're also unable to hold up your end of a discussion on this subject. Thus the deflections.

[TheGreatYacht]

Ironic post. Clearly you do care. You're also unable to hold up your end of a discussion on this subject. Thus the deflections.
I deflected? You're the one who said you didin't have the time to explain how Gasol to the Spurs wouldn't work... Yet you keep responding :lol

[Mel_13]

I deflected? You're the one who said you didin't have the time to explain how Gasol to the Spurs wouldn't work... Yet you keep responding :lol

And you keep trolling.

[TheGreatYacht]

And you keep trolling.
Oh look you still won't explain your end... Keep deflecting :tu

[Texas_Ranger]

1 more week and this will start again.

[Mel_13]

Oh look you still won't explain your end... Keep deflecting :tu

:lol

I know that you don't know how this works.

You know that you don't know how this works.

People that understand how this works know that you don't know how this works.

Only people who know less than you about this subject don't realize how little you know about it.

I'm quite content with that set of circumstances.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol

I know that you don't know how this works.

You know that you don't know how this works.

People that understand how this works know that you don't know how this works.

Only people who know less than you about this subject don't realize how little you know about it.

I'm quite content with that set of circumstances.
:lmao you're killing me :tu keep going my dude

[cd021]

"
The general consensus among some NBA personnel is that the Bucks, who are obviously in a rebuilding mode, could obtain a late-first round pick for the 27-year-old Ilyasova in what is regarded as one of the most deep and talented draft in years."

http://journaltimes.com/sports/bucks/bucks-beat-it-s-time-to-play-let-s-make/article_06b15216-f9ce-11e3-9cda-001a4bcf887a.html


The article mentions Phoenix, OKC and Houston as possible trade partners.

The Spurs could make a play for him, though they're pick is obviously lower than what Phoenix and OKC could offer (PHX has 3 picks, including the 26th and OKC has the 21st and 29th)

Spurs have been linked to him in the past. Is owed $24 .2 million over the next 3 seasons including $7.9 million this year.

[Mel_13]

:lmao you're killing me :tu keep going my dude

Not killing you. Just calling you ignorant on this subject.

[Chinook]

The Spurs don't have the means to get Ilyasova now that Bonner and De Colo are off the books. Maybe a big sign-and-trade if Diaw and/or Mills gets overpaid by someone else. They could use cap space if both Patty AND Diaw walk, but I don't know if that is worth losing the MLE in addition to a big.

[TheGreatYacht]

Not killing you. Just calling you ignorant on this subject.
You still haven't explained how... Which makes me think you're talking out of your ass, tbh

[Chinook]

You still haven't explained how... Which makes me think you're talking out of your ass, tbh

We've talked about it too much for you to feign ignorance, man. He gave you a link that explains it. What more do you want?

[Mel_13]

You still haven't explained how... Which makes me think you're talking out of your ass, tbh

Your posts demonstrated your ignorance. Improve your knowledge and try again.

YOU and I both know that it's you who are talking out if your ass.

[TheGreatYacht]

Your posts demonstrated your ignorance. Improve your knowledge and try again.

YOU and I both know that it's you who are talking out if your ass.
Nice grammar buddy :tu like I said, you keep killing me lol

[Mel_13]

Nice grammar buddy :tu like I said, you keep killing me lol

Typo smack? That's the best you can do?

[TheGreatYacht]

We've talked about it too much for you to feign ignorance, man. He gave you a link that explains it. What more do you want?
I want him to keep repeating himself. He says he doesn't have time, yet he keeps blabbing on and on and on

[Chinook]

Typo smack? That's the best you can do?

It's even worse to confuse a typo with poor grammar.

[TheGreatYacht]

Typo smack? That's the best you can do?
"Its you who are talking out if your ass"

[tholdren]

That's not how it works. Learn the rules before you post.

I don't have the time nor the inclination to spoonfeed someone who spends as much time trolling as you do.

Rest assured that anyone who understands this business has already identified you as a poser.

So, if you want to sit at the big people table then learn the rules and stop the troll jobs. Otherwise, troll away.

????Yet you spend the time to try and come up with witty put-downs? That doesn't add up. And who cares what he posts? He's entitled to his opinion and can say whatever he pleases about whatever he cares to. If those are his suggestions, and you felt inclined to express your interest (as you clearly did) then it would have been easier, and less time consuming to just tell him that, "collective bargaining makes your theory impossible." It would have been shorter than the multiple lines and posts that you claim to not have time for.

So, lets debate the Boris issue: 1. is he worth the money?

If no, then who is a replacement. If yes, where do we come up with the cash?

[Mel_13]

"Its you who are talking out if your ass"

I typed an "i" instead of an "o". A typo.

[ElNono]

Much like last season, the Spurs plan for the summer is likely to bring back the same team. The only derailing on that plan might be Patty and Boris getting offers the Spurs cannot match, which would be a big blow.

The Spurs could offer backloaded deals to both to try to address that, but I'm not sure what the cap situation is to make that work. Ultimately, I can't see the Spurs having a problem with such backloaded deals since after next season they could become valuable trade assets if the Big 2 retire and the team needs to re-tool into a new type of team.

I also expect the Spurs to prioritize keeping Diaw. Not that Mills isn't important, but Diaw is actually the guy that gives this team a different dimension matchup-wise, and ultimately, there's guys like Cojo down the pipeline that could do a manageable job on the backup PG position. With Tony resting and hopefully having a bounce back year, that position seemingly requires less attention than the stretch-4 (where we also have Matty likely moving on to greener pastures).

[Mel_13]

He's entitled to his opinion and can say whatever he pleases about whatever he cares to.

Yes, he's entitled to post on any subject he pleases. As are you. As am I.

When someone posts, they invite comments on their posts. Just as you have just commented on mine.

That's how it works.

[TheGreatYacht]

I typed an "i" instead of an "o". A typo.
If that's the only mistake you think you did, go back to school kid

[Mel_13]

If that's the only mistake you think you did, go back to school kid

That's all you've got?

[ElNono]

If Diaw wants to get overpaid, let him walk and sign Pau for that 2yr/18M contract

Keep Mills no matter what.


Spurs aren't likely to have enough cap space to do both. They roughly have an extra $10m if the $5m increase in the cap is confirmed. Pau taking $9m leaves not enough money for Patty. He'll likely command $3+ millions.

[Chinook]

Spurs aren't likely to have enough cap space to do both. They roughly have an extra $10m if the $5m increase in the cap is confirmed. Pau taking $9m leaves not enough money for Patty. He'll likely command $3+ millions.

Nono with the good-cop explanation.

[Mel_13]

Spurs aren't likely to have enough cap space to do both. They roughly have an extra $10m if the $5m increase in the cap is confirmed. Pau taking $9m leaves not enough money for Patty. He'll likely command $3+ millions.

You gave him a fish. He'll be hungry again tomorrow.

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs aren't likely to have enough cap space to do both. They roughly have an extra $10m if the $5m increase in the cap is confirmed. Pau taking $9m leaves not enough money for Patty. He'll likely command $3+ millions.
My point was if someone was to get that kind of money, I'd rather it be Pau.. Mills gave up money last year to opt in and prove to Pop that he can be a rotation guy, so I don't think he's against staying if it was up to him. Also, he might not get the big money he expects because Lebron could make 10M/yr next season, and I doubt Patty will get offered anywhere close to that, even by a lottery team. RC should match any offer IMO

[TheGreatYacht]

That's all you've got?
I made you repeat yourself over and over again. I thought you'd be a challenge tbh

[Mel_13]

My point was if someone was to get that kind of money, I'd rather it be Pau.. Mills gave up money last year to opt in and prove to Pop that he can be a rotation guy, so I don't think he's against staying if it was up to him. Also, he might not get the big money he expects because Lebron could make 10M/yr next season, and I doubt Patty will get offered anywhere close to that, even by a lottery team. RC should match any offer IMO

You can give Boris that kind of money and keep Patty. You can't give Pau that kind of money and keep Patty.

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs aren't likely to have enough cap space to do both. They roughly have an extra $10m if the $5m increase in the cap is confirmed. Pau taking $9m leaves not enough money for Patty. He'll likely command $3+ millions.

They would if Duncan opted out and in for less. It's not likely to happen though. Boris has another thing coming if he thinks he's going to touch 2 years $18M. He can dream though.

[Mel_13]

I made you repeat yourself over and over again. I thought you'd be a challenge tbh

Bravo. You're proud of being a troll.

[TheGreatYacht]

You can give Boris that kind of money and keep Patty. You can't give Pau that kind of money and keep Patty.
You missed the point. You missed the point.

[ElNono]

The Spurs could save an extra $750K by getting rid of Daye, and perhaps an extra $1m if Baynes is not extended a QO. The thing is, those are not bad contracts, and the Spurs will need some of those cheap deals to fill up the roster. Both are young, potentially "project" guys.

Bringing back Matty for the vet minimum will likely cost almost $1.5m, so that's another angle to consider.

[TheGreatYacht]

The Spurs could save an extra $750K by getting rid of Daye, and perhaps an extra $1m if Baynes is not extended a QO. The thing is, those are not bad contracts, and the Spurs will need some of those cheap deals to fill up the roster. Both are young, potentially "project" guys.

Bringing back Matty for the vet minimum will likely cost almost $1.5m, so that's another angle to consider.
Keep Daye IMO. He played better in his two weeks of PT, than Bonner has in his 8 years being here

[Mel_13]

The Spurs could save an extra $750K by getting rid of Daye, and perhaps an extra $1m if Baynes is not extended a QO. The thing is, those are not bad contracts, and the Spurs will need some of those cheap deals to fill up the roster. Both are young, potentially "project" guys.

Bringing back Matty for the vet minimum will likely cost almost $1.5m, so that's another angle to consider.

The Spurs would only pay about 900K of that. The league would pay the rest.