Official Trade/Signing Ideas Thread

[palangi]

here is a trade with denver. all 3 of the guys coming from denver are not getting any time and are burried on their depth chart.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qbzavaa

Denver gets:

PG/SG nando de colo- this guy can be the 3rd PG and future back up for when andre miller retires. he can also play some 2.
SG danny green- green gives them a dead eye 3 point shooter to go around their athletes. would start for them too. with foye off the bench.

SA gets:

SF quincy miller 6'9" 220- a long SF that can shoot and has some athleticism. would fit great in the spurs system. and can give kawhi 10-15 off a night or play the 4 in small ball.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Quincy-Miller-5764/
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6611/quincy-miller
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Id43mA2F4

SG evan fournier 6'6" 20- comes in as the 3rd SG. allows bellineli or ginobli to move into the starting lineup. kid has very good game and can give manu rest on back to backs. and take over for him when he retires. has a very similar game, just not quite as athletic as manu was. fits right in with our french connection.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Evan-Fournier-5719/
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6588/evan-fournier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QakmCkBHD10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QakmCkBHD10)

PF anthony randolph 6'11" 220- gets thrown in to make the money work. also a guy pop has had his eye on before. could help now with diaw injury. but probably inactive most of the year until bonner is traded.


PG- parker, mills, cojo
SG- many, marco, evan
SF- kawhi, miller
PF- duncan, diaw, bonner, randolph
C- splitter, aryes, baynes

[txstr1986]

Official trade idea thread: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124967&page=78&p=6950937#post6950937

Learn to use it.

[Bruno]

I've changed the title of the thread to make it a place where people could discuss about trade ideas they have and about players rumored on the trading block. You can also talk about free agents who could be signed with the 15th roster spot.

This thread will be stick on top and other threads talking about players will be closed unless there is a source linking them directly to Spurs.

[PlayNando]

I love Fornier, tbh...

[palangi]

sorry about that.

[Bruno]

Official trade idea thread: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124967&page=78&p=6950937#post6950937

Learn to use it.

Thanks.
Few people actually use the Think Tank part of the forum so we will also have a thread about that here.

[txstr1986]

Thanks.
Few people actually use the Think Tank part of the forum so we will also have a thread about that here.

Makes sense - thanks!

[Bruno]

Regarding the trade idea of the first post, trading Green for end of the bench players seems kinda awful.

[palangi]

green is a replacable piece. was an end of the bench guy himself until he came here. fournier shows more potential that green has. and miller could be a really good player in our system. He isn't a superb athlete, but has a very good shot and brings a lot of length to help on the wing.

we need a backup for kawhi. if he was to get hurt we would be in serious trouble. I don't think miller is a starter or anything but he brings tools to the table we could use. he is a scorer and that could be used on the second team. and he brings a lot of length for that second unit too for defensive purposes.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Pop isn't going to play some no-name scrub that doesn't know the system, tbh..any player the Spurs acquire has to have some experience in the league..

The only hole on the roster is another SF that can play small-ball 4 when Kawhi is struggling or is in foul trouble..Spurs can't expect Green/Manu/Beli to guard SFs, especially long SFs that will over power them or just shoot over them..the player in question also should be a capable offensive player and a veteran that will earn Pop's trust..

The only players that fit this criteria and could be realistically acquired IMO: Earl Clark and Trevor Ariza, tbh..

Clark has been terrible with the Cavs, but he's still shooting the 3 at a high %, he would fit well with the Spurs IMO..

Ariza would be absolutely perfect for the Spurs IMO, he would be the ideal addition, but his stock is higher than it was during the off-season after a hot start so far..


Amir Johnson would also be ideal, since he's athletic enough to defend the perimeter, he's also been rumoured to be moved and has been recently demoted, but I doubt Pop would trade Bonner, tbh..

[lmbebo]

Is it me, or is "Oficial" misspelled in the thread title.

[palangi]

Is it me, or is "Oficial" misspelled in the thread title.

It's you

[palangi]

:lol Pop isn't going to play some no-name scrub that doesn't know the system, tbh..any player the Spurs acquire has to have some experience in the league..

The only hole on the roster is another SF that can play small-ball 4 when Kawhi is struggling or is in foul trouble..Spurs can't expect Green/Manu/Beli to guard SFs, especially long SFs that will over power them or just shoot over them..the player in question also should be a capable offensive player and a veteran that will earn Pop's trust..

The only players that fit this criteria and could be realistically acquired IMO: Earl Clark and Trevor Ariza, tbh..

Clark has been terrible with the Cavs, but he's still shooting the 3 at a high %, he would fit well with the Spurs IMO..

Ariza would be absolutely perfect for the Spurs IMO, he would be the ideal addition, but his stock is higher than it was during the off-season after a hot start so far..


Amir Johnson would also be ideal, since he's athletic enough to defend the perimeter, he's also been rumoured to be moved and has been recently demoted, but I doubt Pop would trade Bonner, tbh..
Listen I was trying to be as realistic as possible. Ariza isn't going any where. He is playing big minutes and they are winning. Washington thinks they can make a playoff push in the east. Especially after their gortat trade.
Clark can't be traded as he was a free agent signing. It has to be a certain amount of time. And they aren't trading him after just signing him.

These guys aren't scrubs. All 3 we're first round picks, and are still young. Booth Miller and fournier have very high potential. And Randolph can play that 4 in small ball, and pop has been interested in him before.

[HarlemHeat37]

Listen I was trying to be as realistic as possible. Ariza isn't going any where. He is playing big minutes and they are winning. Washington thinks they can make a playoff push in the east. Especially after their gortat trade.
Clark can't be traded as he was a free agent signing. It has to be a certain amount of time. And they aren't trading him after just signing him.

These guys aren't scrubs. All 3 we're first round picks, and are still young. Booth Miller and fournier have very high potential. And Randolph can play that 4 in small ball, and pop has been interested in him before.

Realistically, the Spurs aren't going to trade for anybody, tbh, I just named players that could easily be traded..Ariza's deal ends at the end of the year, the Wizards are a below average team, he's far from untouchable, especially since he's been rumoured to be in trade talks in the past..

Clark can be traded in mid-December and he's far from untouchable, especially on a team that is on the verge of blowing up..he has also been a non-factor in Cleveland and doesn't fit in Mike Brown's poor offensive system..


Pop would never play that scrub Quincy Miller this season(:lmao), Fournier doesn't solve any of the Spurs flaws(starting Beli, Fournier or Manu kills the defense), and Anthony Randolph fucking sucks and has never been able to earn a rotation spot, despite fans of every team hyping him every season:lol..

[Bruno]

Is it me, or is "Oficial" misspelled in the thread title.

Thanks.

[Joyrider]

Good to have all the shit trade ideas rounded up to one thread, tbh.

[palangi]

Good to have all the shit trade ideas rounded up to one thread, tbh.

I know right! :downspin:

[Chinook]

Any trade idea that's essentially trading Green for prospects is a bad one. He's pretty untouchable, and the only way it makes sense for the Spurs to move him this season is as part of a package for a better player. We're talking a star. As far as role-players go, they don't get much better than Green.

[Baam]

Any trade idea that's essentially trading Green for prospects is a bad one. He's pretty untouchable, and the only way it makes sense for the Spurs to move him this season is as part of a package for a better player. We're talking a star. As far as role-players go, they don't get much better than Green.

The problem that the availlable ""stars"" like Evan Turner would be rentals... I'd only consider it if Tim wants to retire at the end of the season...

Personally I don't think the Spurs can afford not to make a move when they're getting torched by all these smallball teams... Even a team like Warriors now is a headache with Iguadola preventing the Spurs to switch the D...

I'd trade for the future with projects because I'm just not optimistic about their chances this year as constructed anyway.

Something like Green + Bonbon for Karasev + Bennett, buy low and sell high, you get the needed combo forward and you just insert Marco and Boris in the starting lineup...

TD Splitter
Boris Bennett
Kawhi Karasev
Marco Gino
TP Mills

Boris gonna start most PO series again anyway, the writing is on the wall.

[Chinook]

The Spurs are a fine small-ball team. The Rockets are just a better one. No shame for admitting that. But the answer is not to trade Green. Hell, just sign Malcolm Thomas or wait and buy out Bertans. Bennett is not going to make or break the roster.

[Bruno]

Looks like Malcolm Thomas has been signed by a NBA team. We'll see which team it is.

[PlayNando]

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[Spursfanfromafar]

Still see no reason for an immediate trade. Spurs will do well to wait till January end or February to trade for a veteran with a decent IQ and from an underperforming/over-salaried team.

If things continue as they stand in the NBA, a few SF/PF or even SF/SG veterans could likely be available.

Like Andrei Kirilenko if the stubborn but pathetic Nets decide to cut their overblown salaries; or Mike Dunleavy if the Bulls want to maintain their no-luxury tax ever record (and which they probably would love to after Rose went down); or someone like John Salmons even.

The Spurs might even wait till the waiver deadline to get things done.

The trouble is that even if teams are doing badly like the Nets and the Knicks; the EC is so bad that they would still think that they could make the playoffs.

[PlayNando]

Danny Green for Fournier and Faried. :tu

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qx7ohvb

[Spursfanfromafar]

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San Antonio has had @Malcolm4Thomas (https://twitter.com/Malcolm4Thomas) in its program before both w/Spurs & Austin Toros. Pulled from D-Fenders' game tonight vs. Bakersfield

[timtonymanu]

Nice!

[Chinook]

Awesome. Hope he gets a lot of minutes. But it's not good if the callup means Diaw is really hurt.

[Baam]

Bonner + De Colo + Ayres for Gerald Wallace

Not that many combo forward availlable right now since Williams just got moved, let alone combo forward that'd get moved for scrubs... The Spurs also ask for a first rounder in the deal, maybe one of their 2015 first... Flexibility is huge for a big market team like the Celtics and I'm not sure they plan to tank more than one year anyway...

[look_at_g_shred]

Bonner + De Colo + Ayres for Gerald Wallace

Not that many combo forward availlable right now since Williams just got moved, let alone combo forward that'd get moved for scrubs... The Spurs also ask for a first rounder in the deal, maybe one of their 2015 first... Flexibility is huge for a big market team like the Celtics and I'm not sure they plan to tank more than one year anyway...
That Wallace contract though! Thumbs down. How bout Ayres, Nando for Bradley.

[Baam]

That contract is indeed terrible but then again the Spurs pretty much have to reload through the draft so they're gonna have to buy picks with cap space while big market teams value cap space more since they're attractive FA destinations...

Maybe the Spurs even get two 2015 picks, every one seems so focused on the 2014 draft...

[look_at_g_shred]

Sure, but I don't think spurs plan to move Jeff. It seems Pop thinks very highly of him. like......... bonner highly. :(

[Baam]

Mbah a Moute with a team low -18 for the Wolves, they really made their bench stronger...

They're could get desperate and be willing to make a bad trade much like Cleveland...

And the Spurs were said to like Cunningham...

[Chinook]

They have their third combo-forward. They don't need a fourth.

[wildchild]

People blaming Leonard for last game :sleep
Well, Kawhi said he could have gone to the NFL bc he was really good as DB, but I think he would be a great TE, the kid's fast and strong. Like Pop called him "the new face of the franchise" I say, next Megatron? Calvin who? Kawhitron!

However if we trade him for Griffin III (and his crazy dad) now, at least we add a playmaker.


Thinking about the option, trade Leonard and stay Bonner...

[Ice009]

People blaming Leonard for last game :sleep
Well, Kawhi said he could have gone to the NFL bc he was really good as DB, but I think he would be a great TE, the kid's fast and strong. Like Pop called him "the new face of the franchise" I say, next Megatron? Calvin who? Kawhitron!

However if we trade him for Griffin III (and his crazy dad) now, at least we add a playmaker.


Thinking about the option, trade Leonard and stay Bonner...

What in the fuck are you talking about?

[ElNono]

This should be the shortest thread on the forum, seeing the Spurs are unlikely to make any moves (except for perhaps DeColo and some signing from the DLeague, like Thomas)... but it's likely to span many pages, tbh :lol

[DrunkTXLabrat]

What in the fuck are you talking about?

x2, and lol. i think we have another drunk in the forum.

[Baam]

This should be the shortest thread on the forum, seeing the Spurs are unlikely to make any moves (except for perhaps DeColo and some signing from the DLeague, like Thomas)... but it's likely to span many pages, tbh :lol

Bonner is getting traded... There's no point having Thomas and Bonbon and Ayres and Boris who all play the 4...

[Baam]

They have their third combo-forward. They don't need a fourth.

They have only one, he's called Boris Diaw, Kiwi is more of a wing than a combo forward, better against lighter guys like Thompson or even Durant but not strong enough for a LeBron or a Carmelo in the post... And Thomas that I know of can't defend anything but PFs...

The hole left by SJax is still there...

You get Wallace and Boris on Lebron and all a sudden Kawhi can take Wade out of the series like he did with Thompson...

Green is at his best against PGs and Kawhi against SGs.

[objective]

I posted this awhile ago but I think it makes sense for a deadline deal. Provided either Bonner or Diaw end up with severe injuries because I don't know how the trigger is pulled otherwise.

I could see a move for Marvin Williams.

He has transformed into a smallball 4 who at this point in his career does what you want a smallball 4 to do: hit three pointers and rebound. His 3 pointers are going down pretty reliably, and he had 3 point success his last playoff appearance. He could probably still be useful at SF against bigger SFs as well. Seasoned vet who fits pretty well into what the Spurs could use, a strong natural SF who grew a big Chuck Person ass and now bangs around with power forwards.

He's expiring, and Bonner + De Colo + a 2nd or cash etc could be enough. By the time the deadline comes Utah will be so wretched there won't be a point to them keeping him. Maybe Lindsey will do the Spurs and Williams a favor.

[racm]

I posted this awhile ago but I think it makes sense for a deadline deal. Provided either Bonner or Diaw end up with severe injuries because I don't know how the trigger is pulled otherwise.

I could see a move for Marvin Williams.

He has transformed into a smallball 4 who at this point in his career does what you want a smallball 4 to do: hit three pointers and rebound. His 3 pointers are going down pretty reliably, and he had 3 point success his last playoff appearance. He could probably still be useful at SF against bigger SFs as well. Seasoned vet who fits pretty well into what the Spurs could use, a strong natural SF who grew a big Chuck Person ass and now bangs around with power forwards.

He's expiring, and Bonner + De Colo + a 2nd or cash etc could be enough. By the time the deadline comes Utah will be so wretched there won't be a point to them keeping him. Maybe Lindsey will do the Spurs and Williams a favor.

Yeah, I like Marvin on the second unit. All he'd need to do is stand in the corner while Manu/Boris/Marco/Tiago/Tony zips him a pass.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

i really like the morris twins. i think they have potential to be all-stars one day. one could back up kawhi and the other could be our back-up 4, replacing ayres

[spurraider21]

Reports are Boris is fine and will be playing today, so no need to worry about the Thomas signing

[wildchild]

What in the fuck are you talking about?


x2, and lol. i think we have another drunk in the forum.

I was just kidding.

Watching Giants vs Redskins and reading ridiculous ST ppl blaming Leonard...I thought about Leonard (enough skills to be a great TE, and you know, don't have a complete offense without a young and strong tight end) for Griffin III (great QB/weak team).

C'mon guys, don't take everything so seriously.

[DPG21920]

Many spoke about it earlier, but Amir Johnson should be someone to watch. Not only is his play floundering some in that wasteland known as Toronto, but he's now been demoted the bench.

[Baam]

i really like the morris twins. i think they have potential to be all-stars one day. one could back up kawhi and the other could be our back-up 4, replacing ayres

Markieff is too good to be had sadly...

I'm really convinced Bonbon's time has come, he's getting traded, the writing is on the wall.

[DJR210]

Amir Johnson would also be ideal, since he's athletic enough to defend the perimeter, he's also been rumoured to be moved and has been recently demoted, but I doubt Pop would trade Bonner, tbh..

I could see that happening, Pop has had a hard on for Amir for quite some time.

[hater]

trading Green for someone that can dribble the basketball in an empty gym would be a start

[Bruno]

Many spoke about it earlier, but Amir Johnson should be someone to watch. Not only is his play floundering some in that wasteland known as Toronto, but he's now been demoted the bench.

That's interesting to see him losing his starting job. It might push Toronto to trade him away. He would be a great pick for Spurs with a fitting contract and especially in the likely case of Malcolm Thomas not shining.

[DPG21920]

Yes - his contract is a large part of what makes him appealing. He's good Boris/Bonner/Baynes insurance for next year & has a good skill set for this year as is.

[timtonymanu]

Amir Johnson seems more possible at this point than Ariza so yeah I hope the Spurs get on that.

I remember thinking we traded for him back during the RJ trade only to find out he went over to Milwaukee.

[HarlemHeat37]

That's interesting to see him losing his starting job. It might push Toronto to trade him away. He would be a great pick for Spurs with a fitting contract and especially in the likely case of Malcolm Thomas not shining.

Most people around here(Toronto) that have sources around the team feel like an Amir trade is inevitable, tbh, especially if the Raptors eventually go into tank mode for Wiggins, which is expected at some point(although it's becoming difficult to tank in the East)..

It has only been 1 game, so it could be a non-story, but he looked completely uninterested coming off the bench in the game vs. Denver, noticeably sulking, tbh..

He was the Raptors best and most important player last season, and now he's coming off the bench for Tyler Hansbrough, he's unhappy with the Raptors situation, obviously:lol..

As I've been saying for 2 years, he would be one of the most ideal fits in the league for the Spurs..good pick&roll and mobile defender that can extend his defense to the 3-point line, reliable mid-range jump shot and worked on a 3-point shot during the Summer, good finisher at the rim, solid shot blocker..would fill a void on this team..

[timtonymanu]

Bonner/Joseph for Amir please.

Spurs get their backup small ball 4.

Raptors get more Canadians.

[TheGoldStandard]

Amir would be a great get, he has length and is athletic and can dribble the ball.

[spurraider21]

Ariza would be an incredible fit

[Mugen]

Ariza is obviously the much better fit than Amir but you could sell me on just about any trade involving Bonner + Nando tbh.

[Robz4000]

I see all this talk about trading for Amir Johnson, and that's all well and good. However, it's time to open the real debate: when do the Spurs trade for Lebron/Durant? Would a package of Bonner/Nando/2nd Round picks be enough?

[ElNono]

Bonner is getting traded... There's no point having Thomas and Bonbon and Ayres and Boris who all play the 4...

Bonner is not going anywhere. He fortifies the bench unit, tbh...

[PlayNando]

I hear Kawhi is on the block.

[BatManu20]

I'd love Ariza on this team. Trade Nando, a 1st round pick, and a bag of Ruffles for him.

[hooperflash]

Trading Bonner to the Celtics would be great for him.

[Hoops Czar]

This thread must mean trade ideas for other teams. THE SPURS HAVE NO ASSETS!!!!!!! Feel free to live in fantasy land.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I was just kidding.

Watching Giants vs Redskins and reading ridiculous ST ppl blaming Leonard...I thought about Leonard (enough skills to be a great TE, and you know, don't have a complete offense without a young and strong tight end) for Griffin III (great QB/weak team).

C'mon guys, don't take everything so seriously.

hi wild, i'm drunk. your post was goofy, and somebody else noticed it. i laughed.

does anybody remember how good dexter pittman looked during summer league?

[Chinook]

This thread must mean trade ideas for other teams. THE SPURS HAVE NO ASSETS!!!!!!! Feel free to live in fantasy land.

Oh come on, Hoop. Even you have to believe the Spurs could have beaten Sacramento's package for Williams if they wanted to.

[Hoops Czar]

Oh come on, Hoop. Even you have to believe the Spurs could have beaten Sacramento's package for Williams if they wanted to.

RC isn't that Shrewd. The Spurs aren't giving up Bonner and Luc is more of an asset than De Colo. Giving up a first round pick in what's proving to be a strong draft probably isn't a wise decision either. Could they have put together a better package? Probably, but RC just isn't smart enough to cut ties with certain players to make that happen.Derrick Williams is also very raw and needs an abundance of playing time. Unlike Sacramento, the Spurs don't have the minutes available and they really can't afford to take on anymore projects at this time. Besides, he's not foreign, Pop wouldn't know what the hell to do with him.

[td4mvp2k]

I'd love Ariza on this team. Trade Nando, a 1st round pick, and a bag of Ruffles for him.1st for ariza? :lol hed have to get cut for spurs to get him tbh

[td4mvp2k]

Would like anotha wing who can D and not deculo tbh

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

i would like to get nene before ariza tbh

[TheGoldStandard]

If Scrubby Jeff Ayres can get minutes Derrick Williams could have had minutes.

[Texas_Ranger]

Bonner, De Colo and Ayres can all go.

[Old School 44]

i would like to get nene before ariza tbh

Me too, but it's not happening.
Makes sense though if we got a Brazilian.
Just about everyone on the team has a "buddy".

Parker - Diaw - DeColo
Ginobili - Belinelli
Leonard - Thomas
Mills - Baynes
Duncan - Green
Joseph - Bonner :lol
Splitter - ???
Ayers - ???

[scanry]

I actually see Matty on Pop's coaching staff next season.

[mountainballer]

Matt has written GM all over him. he is a smart guy, obviously, and he is eloquent, likeable, funny and a genious when it comes to business. ( I mean, he turned a single trick into a 30 million $ career income. not bad)
players like him and they respect him and that's quite a skill when it comes to hire and negotiate with players. or other teams. I'm pretty sure guys like Ime and Sean will become good coaches. but Matt will become a great manager.

[Mugen]

think it's already been said in this thread but Marvin Williams from Utah is a more likely target than Ariza/Amir IMO. Jazz are in full tank mode and Nando/Bonner are just the right shade of skin color to be able to sell to the Mormon crowd tbh.

They need some backcourt depth and a shooting bigman to add to Favors/Kanter/Gorbert, both needs that Matty/Nando can help with tbh.

[mountainballer]

a Bosnian newspaper quotes the agent of Mirza Teletovic who says that they are looking for a trade to another NBA team.
http://www.sarajevotimes.com/mirza-teletovic-is-leaving-the-nets/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=mirza-teletovic-is-leaving-the-nets
Mirza was pretty good in the last few games and got more minutes (are Nets showcasing him?), price might have gone up, but he still should be available for a reasonable price. Nando and Baynes? they would save quite some tax money and considering the injuries of Terry and Williams some back court help will be welcome. (well, if it's help indeed, is another question)

[Mugen]

I posted this awhile ago but I think it makes sense for a deadline deal. Provided either Bonner or Diaw end up with severe injuries because I don't know how the trigger is pulled otherwise.

I could see a move for Marvin Williams.

He has transformed into a smallball 4 who at this point in his career does what you want a smallball 4 to do: hit three pointers and rebound. His 3 pointers are going down pretty reliably, and he had 3 point success his last playoff appearance. He could probably still be useful at SF against bigger SFs as well. Seasoned vet who fits pretty well into what the Spurs could use, a strong natural SF who grew a big Chuck Person ass and now bangs around with power forwards.

He's expiring, and Bonner + De Colo + a 2nd or cash etc could be enough. By the time the deadline comes Utah will be so wretched there won't be a point to them keeping him. Maybe Lindsey will do the Spurs and Williams a favor.

objective with the goods. Would be a great move for the Spurs.

[PlayNando]

Trading Bonner to the Celtics would be great for him.
RACIST.

[PlayNando]

Fk you all's ideas. We need MORE international INTELLIGENCE on this team, NOT LESS.

SIGN HEDO TURKOGLU!!!!!!!!

[hater]

I would love to trade Green for one of the Portland or Phoenix wings. Too bad those teams are doing well and would laugh at any Spurs offer.

I don't see any trades in the foreseable future

[elemento]

One guy we could take a look is Kevin Seraphin from Washington. I definitely think that a better environment (ours) would help him, especially with Tony and Boris here.

He has been playing only 8 minutes/game and his value is probably the lowest it has ever been. He is behind Booker and Vesely in the Wiz rotation.

It wouldn't take much to get him from WAS and to me he is flat out better and has way more potential than all our BIGs other than Timmy/Diaw/Splitter.

[timtonymanu]

I'm just hoping we can acquire an SF.

Not a Nando for a 2018 draft pick.

[Sean Cagney]

Bonner, De Colo and Ayres can all go.

Good idea.......

[spurraider21]

I'm just hoping we can acquire an SF.

Not a Nando for a 2018 draft pick.
i would take that though

[BatManu20]

A late 1st-round pick for a 28 year-old averaging 16 pts & 6 rbs a game on 48% shooting is very reasonable these days.

[TheGoldStandard]

Jeff Ayres for a can of beans. Spurs need to make green abd Leonard just dribble the ball all day long everywhere they go

[sventhedog]

the only chance for the spurs to make a trade is to get a player with a bad contract. i know it would be great if the spurs can get rid of Bonner, De Colo and Ayres but who in the world would want them while giving up a better player?

[mountainballer]

the only chance for the spurs to make a trade is to get a player with a bad contract. i know it would be great if the spurs can get rid of Bonner, De Colo and Ayres but who in the world would want them while giving up a better player?

every team that pays taxes and benefits from a trade, that sends back more salary than comes in. a team like the Clippers that is slightly over the threshold could benefit twice, if they can piece together a trade that cuts about 2 million from their pay roll. (they will likely try to get rid of Dudely, Barnes and Green. none would really help. maybe Barnes a bit, if he buys into the system, which is a big if).

[Bruno]

Teltovic's Euro agent said that his client was looking to be traded. Teltovic denied it but I guess it's just a PR move.

[PingPong]

Me too, but it's not happening.
Makes sense though if we got a Brazilian.
Just about everyone on the team has a "buddy".

Parker - Diaw - DeColo
Ginobili - Belinelli
Leonard - Thomas
Mills - Baynes
Duncan - Green
Joseph - Bonner :lol
Splitter - ???
Ayers - ???

Nene isn't exactly a pal of Tiago and he cost 13 milions. Tiago is far more buddy with Scola than Nenê. Nenê and Tiago came from different schools in Brazil: Nene came directly to the NBA and Tiago gone to Europe when still a teen, never played in a pro team in Brazil.
And Tiago & Varejao were the twin towers of the Brazilian NT some years ago (Forget it, Bonner earns less than I thought).

[Texas_Ranger]

Teltovic's Euro agent said that his client was looking to be traded. Teltovic denied it but I guess it's just a PR move.

I'd be happy if we could get Mirza for Bonner. I think he would play much better in the Spurs system than in Brooklyn, where there's no system.

[objective]

I'm under the impression that the reason Teletovic's agent wants a trade is to get him more minutes. He wouldn't get more minutes here, so why bother?

[HarlemHeat37]

Teletovic has looked terrible in the NBA, tbh, not sure why anybody wants him:lol..

I also find it sad that he's playing selfish cancer ball and asked for a trade, tbh..if you've watched Nets games, he's not even thinking of passing the ball and shooting at every chance he gets..

[DPG21920]

Teletovic has looked terrible in the NBA, tbh, not sure why anybody wants him:lol..

I also find it sad that he's playing selfish cancer ball and asked for a trade, tbh..if you've watched Nets games, he's not even thinking of passing the ball and shooting at every chance he gets..

Ya - he's a selfish a-hole. He literally shoots all the time when he's in during garbage time. He's proven nothing, the team is in a bad spot and he's crying. Now, if he was promised something and they welshed, ok, but handle it better. Bonner>>Him.

But I don't blame him for being selfish. That entire team is headed by Deron "I will watch this ship sink and do nothing to rush back and help" Williams.

[Russo21]

Jeff Ayres for a can of beans. Mate you are seriously over-valuing Jeff Ayres :lol

[Bruno]

Pop, last season, likely talking about Teletovic:
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/01/02/spurs-fancy-passing-no-passing-fancy/


“I won’t mention the team, but a team we played this season … there was a foreign kid on there and the kid was open all the time. He was out there wondering, ‘What the…? I can’t get the ball?’ You’d see that look on his face five times during the game. While an American kid is dribbling in place, holding the ball. The guy played on a good team overseas, in a good program. He came over … [there], he gets the ball and shoots it. Now, it doesn’t come.”

[TheGoldStandard]

Brooklyn is the new sinkhole in the NBA, there are teams that are worse but Brooklyn shouldn't be but they spent too much on fading stars and overrated talent. Money doesn't always buy you a championship and they are learning that quickly.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

i wouldn't dismiss the nets so quick. i love the move to dump franks advice.

[TheGoldStandard]

i wouldn't dismiss the nets so quick. i love the move to dump franks advice.

Well given that the East is a cesspool the nets could make a run but that team is a mess, too many 'leaders' and a coach who has 1 skin on the wall but no coaching experience. How do you take any of that serious.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Well given that the East is a cesspool the nets could make a run but that team is a mess, too many 'leaders' and a coach who has 1 skin on the wall but no coaching experience. How do you take any of that serious.

it's a huntch. kg and pierce are champions. kidd is inexperienced, but so was mark jackson... kidd'll figure out to td and manu kg and pierce minutes. lopez and williams are the same as they always been. kidd'll have williams playing at elite level when williams can go. add that to a better managed champion infusion. injured ass lopez gets better output. and the depth behind injured lopez/ old kg is so sick. blatche, ak47, plumlee, evans, and even teletovic.

[TheGoldStandard]

it's a huntch. kg and pierce are champions. kidd is inexperienced, but so was mark jackson... kidd'll figure out to td and manu kg and pierce minutes. lopez and williams are the same as they always been. kidd'll have williams playing at elite level when williams can go. add that to a better managed champion infusion. injured ass lopez gets better output. and the depth behind injured lopez/ old kg is so sick. blatche, ak47, plumlee, evans, and even teletovic.

Mark Jackson had assistants who knew the game. The Lawrence frank thing was to shake things up because of how sucky they have been but it's the personnel not the coaching. Kidd is no doc rivers.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

nets lost so it's hard to defend my position tonight. but i believe in the nets.

[TheGoldStandard]

nets lost so it's hard to defend my position tonight. but i believe in the nets.

Honestly they are only going as far as KG and Pierce take them because Joe Johnson and Deron Williams will not lead them to any kind of playoff success, these guys lost to the short handed Bulls who were having to play their starters for 40+ minutes a game.

[DesignatedT]

Nets are done. The under 55 wins for the season was one of the easiest NBA future bets ever.

[cd021]

Nets are done. The under 55 wins for the season was one of the easiest NBA future bets ever.

Not even close to being done. They've been decimated by injuries. Last night alone they were playing without several rotation players Williams, Terry, Pierce. They all need to be healthy at the same time. 3 teams are above 500 in the east. Atlanta is near 500 and looking at home court advantage.

Midway through the season, if they can manage, a 13-7 or 14-6 mark could catapult in the standings and could realistically get the 3rd seed in the east and make the 2nd round with out much trouble. The east is just that bad.

[TheGoldStandard]

Not even close to being done. They've been decimated by injuries. Last night alone they were playing without several rotation players Williams, Terry, Pierce. They all need to be healthy at the same time. 3 teams are above 500 in the east. Atlanta is near 500 and looking at home court advantage.

Midway through the season, if they can manage, a 13-7 or 14-6 mark could catapult in the standings and could realistically get the 3rd seed in the east and make the 2nd round with out much trouble. The east is just that bad.

The problem is that their key players (Garnett & Pierce) have way too many miles on them and they are at an age where they can't recover as quick so that does not bode well. I just do not see the Nets being healthy long enough to gel and take advantage of that crappy eastern conference. They could string together a good run and set themselves up for playoff position but I don't know if they can win a series, again it's not exactly the same team as last year but their PG/SG/C combo couldn't beat a virtually 6 man Chicago Bull team.

[r0drig0lac]

the important thing is that they are the only team from the conference and perhaps the only league team that has what it takes to beat the heat..if healthy

[Baam]

Green for Waiters the guy who punched Kyrie in the face

Splitter for Asik

Spurs get tougher...

[SAmagic]

Danny Granger ? Since Indiana pretty much won't need him.

[Ice009]

I'd be interested in Asik. Too bad the Rockets won't give him to us.

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs need an offensive big who can hit free throws.

[TheGoldStandard]

Still can't believe that we couldn't at least tempt jonny when they traded Derrick Williams

[cd021]

Danny Granger ? Since Indiana pretty much won't need him.

$15 million is his salary

Splitter + Diaw would be the only option in that deal.

[Baam]

$15 million is his salary

Splitter + Diaw would be the only option in that deal.

Indiana needs the expiring to re-sign Stephenson, they don't care about a softie like Splitter who couldn't even space the floor for Hibbert...

[Baam]

Bulls get : Danny Green
Celtics get : the expirings of Bonner, De Colo and Hinrich
Spurs get : Snell, Wallace and multiple 2015 picks.

Fills a need and put the Spurs in good position to reload...

[Texas_Ranger]

Develop Kawhi and don't make him in a Bowen offensively. That would be the best signing.

[SpursDynasty21]

I kind of like the idea of trading Danny Green. He probably still has trade value, and that would let Belinelli and Ginobili have more playing time.

[DPG21920]

I am sure guys like Patrick Patterson or even Amir might be available with TOR making moves and sending Gay to SAC.

[cd021]

I am sure guys like Patrick Patterson or even Amir might be available with TOR making moves and sending Gay to SAC.

I believe Patterson and anyone involved in this trade can be moved again by the deadline in February.

[Bruno]

Yeah, there might have some trade opportunities with Raptors. Saying that, Spurs should first see what they have with Malcolm Thomas. If it works out with him, he would be such a terrific fit for Spurs.

[cd021]

I kind of like the idea of trading Danny Green. He probably still has trade value, and that would let Belinelli and Ginobili have more playing time.

The problem is defense. We are likely to face at least 2 of these team ; OKC, Portland, GSW & Houston. Green has shown be game be a great defender.

Westbrook has struggled against the Spurs in the last few meetings with Green seeing alot of time guarding him. He would also ,likely, guard Harden, Lillard, & Curry. Belinelli was a net negative player last season (His offensive rating subtracted from his defensive rating). Him starting would put way more pressure on Leonard, Splitter and Duncan to lock down their defender or lock down the paint.

Defenses also can't sag off of him. Even when he isn't scoring, he has a positive impact on offense. The best option is to keep Green and keep him starting. That or finding another 2 guard who can defend and shoot like him for $ 4 million and fits the franchises 2 year plan. That seems unlikely.

[Robz4000]

Just get Amir Johnson tbh.

[look_at_g_shred]

Amir having a big game tonight...trying to show his assets off to other teams.
hope spurs are watching

[look_at_g_shred]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nxy4ls7

[exstatic]

The problem is defense. We are likely to face at least 2 of these team ; OKC, Portland, GSW & Houston. Green has shown be game be a great defender.

Westbrook has struggled against the Spurs in the last few meetings with Green seeing alot of time guarding him. He would also ,likely, guard Harden, Lillard, & Curry. Belinelli was a net negative player last season (His offensive rating subtracted from his defensive rating). Him starting would put way more pressure on Leonard, Splitter and Duncan to lock down their defender or lock down the paint.

Defenses also can't sag off of him. Even when he isn't scoring, he has a positive impact on offense. The best option is to keep Green and keep him starting. That or finding another 2 guard who can defend and shoot like him for $ 4 million and fits the franchises 2 year plan. That seems unlikely.

The goods.

[SAmagic]

Unless we have something raptors really want, dont think they will give Amir up after this performance unless they think Patterson can match it.

[jesterbobman]

The Amir package would be something like Bonner, CoJo and a first.

Possible to get creative in a 3 team deal
Bonner to Philly
CoJo to Toronto
Amir here

That option saves Toronto 5m a year, doesn't cost Philly anything(as they're below the minimum, they'd have to pay out money anyway) and we get Amir. Probably add a pick somewhere for the trouble(Or a Swap of our #1(27 or so) for a Philly/ Toronto #2(35-40), along the lines of Toronto gets the best, Philly gets 2nd best, We get the lowest, With our 2nd round pick to Philly, as it might not be an upgrade.)

[mountainballer]

the Gay trade definitely has increased the chance that Amis could be traded, especially considering the move as a tank move, like Marc Stein assumes. if they really want hometown boy Wiggins (of course they do), they need to tank a lot more consequent, than they did. Lowry allegedly is on the block as well. a Johnson/Lowry package should be interesting for quite some teams. (Spurs might be one of them)

[teazee]

This Trade is Successful!

San Antonio Spurs :
SF Trevor Ariza
C K.Seraphin
Washington Wizards :
Matt Bonner
Danny Green
N.de Colo


http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lze87pn

[DPG21920]

Yes - The Rudy Gay trade and articles afterward have confirmed what we have discussed. Not only are the Kings looking to make more moves (possibly trade Jason Thompson), but Toronto as well. They are looking to create as much cap room/flexibility as possible and moving guys like Amir/Lowry do that (although Lowry is expiring himself).

They don't appear to be asking much. Despite what many know/feel, Gay is considered the better player over Amir & they moved Gay without getting any picks. So if you want a guy like Amir, expiring deals should do the trick. If you offer a first rounder, you likely have a great shot.

[Baam]

Yes - The Rudy Gay trade and articles afterward have confirmed what we have discussed. Not only are the Kings looking to make more moves (possibly trade Jason Thompson), but Toronto as well. They are looking to create as much cap room/flexibility as possible and moving guys like Amir/Lowry do that (although Lowry is expiring himself).

They don't appear to be asking much. Despite what many know/feel, Gay is considered the better player over Amir & they moved Gay without getting any picks. So if you want a guy like Amir, expiring deals should do the trick. If you offer a first rounder, you likely have a great shot.

I don't think expirings would be enough, Gay had a terrible contract that's why they only took expirings... Amir has a nice deal which make his value completely different. If you don't want to give picks I think you have to absorb the contract of one of Salmons, Hayes or Landry Fields to get Amir.

[DPG21920]

That's exactly what I was referring to ^

Gay is the better player (or at least widely considered to be) despite his flaws. Gays contract was not terrible at all in its current state mainly because it's just one more year & also because it's a player option (meaning it's a small chance he could opt out).

Amir's contract is good but not great. He makes decent money & it's longer years. If they are smart they will ask for a pick, but if the Gay trade is any indication, they likely won't require it. That doesn't mean they won't get a pick, just that it may not be needed.

[timtonymanu]

Amir please!

[Bruno]

Regarding Raptors, it's noteworthy that Landry Fields hasn't found back his jumpshot. He played 24 minutes this season and hasn't hit a single shot outside the paint.

Aside of the obvious Amir Johnson, Raptors have other interesting bigmen like Patrick Patterson or Hansbrough. John Salmons might also become an option if he is bought out by Toronto.

[DPG21920]

Edit: Amir only has one year left too. Thought it was an additional year. Def an easier contract to move than Gays bc it's not fully guaranteed either.

[timtonymanu]

Jason Thompson is on the trading block.

Probably not Spurs related, but something interesting to note.

[Baam]

Lowry to Chicago and Cojo to Toronto (to give the fans something to cheer about in a tanking year) would make a lot of sense to me.

Not sure about the details...

[elemento]

Biggest issue with JT is his contract. It is horrendous.

As I said before, I'd target Kevin Seraphin. Not part of WAS's rotation (only 8 minutes/game) and could enjoy a better environment in SA with Parker/Diaw.
A package of Nando + Ayers or Baynes would probably be enough.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's virtually a lock that Ujiri is going to make a few more moves, tbh, everybody here expects at least one more move before 2014..

The Gay trade actually makes the Raptors better, they'll still need to make subsequent moves to aid the tanking, tbh..Kyle Lowry is the next player that will be moved..outside of Lowry, the only Raptors player that helps them win and could be on the block is Amir, but his value is going to increase with more touches and better ball movement in the offense, unfortunately..

Ujiri is looking for a mid-range 1st round pick in the draft, apparently..

[mountainballer]

Ujiri is looking for a mid-range 1st round pick in the draft, apparently..

yes, that's the asking price and it's absolutely resonable. (just expiring contracts. yezz) AJ is a decent (and still young) big man with a contract, that get's you more production per $ than 80% of all big man contracts in the NBA. and at least 80% of the NBA GMs know this and at least one will be willing to offer a reasonable package. (those who call to offer only the expirings will just get a short get lost)
the problem for Ujiri: at this point a team that owns a likely mid range 1st rounder won't trade it, unless it's lottery protected (what makes it significantely less intriguing, considering the stacked draft). question is, how do they value a projected late 1st rounder (Spurs pick) plus additional baits. (can't say if CoJo is a bait for any team). what could this be? 2nd rounder (worthless), rights (at this point also worthless, b/c all qualified player are recovering from serious injuries). so, it will take a more attractive teaser. (Beli would be one, but sacrifice him might make the deal a step backwards). the only chance is to swallow a contract, namely Fields.
bottom line: the deal would be Amir+Fields+2nd rounder for Bonner+Green+CoJo+1st rounder
would I do it? yes.

[pookenstein]

Would the Kings be interested in a package of expireing contracts like Bonner and de Colo? Would the Spurs do it? Seems unlikely after the Thomas signing.

[DPG21920]

Looking for and ultimately getting are two very different things. It would be tough, despite Amir's solid play and decent contract to get a lottery pick. Even though he got a pick for Bargnani (which was incredible), the fact he didn't get one for Gay who's widely considered the better talent (over both Bargnani & Amir) is telling. They may be willing to just take cap space (losing Amir for expiring contracts opens 7M in cap space and helps tank).

If I am the Spurs, it's a no brainer to me to offer an expiring deal + their first rounder for Amir and in looking at the likelihood that someone offers a lottery pick for Amir, that should be more than enough.

[DPG21920]

Gay's contract was really not that bad. I am sure plenty of people still believe in Gay's ability and to just have to eat one year (and maybe not if he opts out) was not that hard to sell. IMO, while moving Gay was smart, TOR got the absolute bare minimum for Gay that they could (especially when you consider Bargnani netted them a first rounder).

In fact, if Gay does opt out, then SAC actually cleared more cap space than TOR did without getting any picks. If Gay somehow fits with Cousins then they have him for another year while making the playoffs. If he doesn't fit (worst case scenario) and doesn't opt out, then it's just one year and they have a salary floor they have to meet anyways and they gave up no real assets. Low risk, moderate to high reward.

[HarlemHeat37]

Although it's a negligible factor, the Raptors would have more interest in Bonner and Joseph than any other team, tbh..

The Canadian media loves homegrown talent, Joseph would actually receive playing time and attention from the fans, tbh, and Bonner is already a fan favourite in the city..Raptors ownership values image and PR, especially in a potential tank season..

They are still weak assets, but at least they would have some appeal to the Raps:lol..

I agree with DPG that they won't get a lottery pick for Johnson, I believe the only competition would be a middling playoff team that would be willing to make a deal for both Johnson and Lowry in an attempt to make a playoff run, tbh..

[DPG21920]

The thing with Lowry is they don't have to move him to clear any additional cap space. He comes off the books next year anyways. Plus, with his injury history, up & down play & the fact he'd be a potential "rental", I don't think they will get a great package for him.

[I. Hustle]

How about this....

Bonner - Cojo - DeColo - and that Chinese guy that carries a clipboard in a 3 way trade for Lebron and Kevin Love?

[DPG21920]

I think if they can get a pick for either one, they will move them as long as the return package doesn't bring in salary beyond this year (or at least not more than would be there next year if they kept Amir/Lowry). If someone takes both, they probably have a better shot due to them likely being able to get a pick/better prospect. Lowry doesn't have to be moved, so they may elect to keep him because his value isn't great, but if they have decided he's not their PG for the near future, they will likely take anything for Lowry as long at it doesn't add $ to the books next year (unless it's for a young cheap player they really like).

But I would be all for the Spurs getting Amir+Lowry. Lowry would be an excellent back up PG (despite the Spurs having decent depth there, no one is so good that Lowry wouldn't be an upgrade) and obviously Amir would help a lot in theory. Lowry's contract is very Spurs plan friendly (he's off the books next season) and so is Amir's (just one more year at 7M, or can be waived for his 5M in guaranteed money).

If the Spurs could package their 1st rounder + a combo of expiring deals obviously they should do that. The question is the Spurs expiring deals will offer little to no upside (Spurs young players outside of Green/Kawhi who you shouldn't trade IMO have very little upside) so who can offer something similar with a player and/or pick that looks more promising?

[rick1991]

The problem is defense. We are likely to face at least 2 of these team ; OKC, Portland, GSW & Houston. Green has shown be game be a great defender.

Westbrook has struggled against the Spurs in the last few meetings with Green seeing alot of time guarding him. He would also ,likely, guard Harden, Lillard, & Curry. Belinelli was a net negative player last season (His offensive rating subtracted from his defensive rating). Him starting would put way more pressure on Leonard, Splitter and Duncan to lock down their defender or lock down the paint.

Defenses also can't sag off of him. Even when he isn't scoring, he has a positive impact on offense. The best option is to keep Green and keep him starting. That or finding another 2 guard who can defend and shoot like him for $ 4 million and fits the franchises 2 year plan. That seems unlikely.

Bonner and Green for Aaron Afflalo.

Major upgrade to Green and he is a two way player.

[sexinthatsx]

I think should target Kyle Lowry from the Raptors. A relatively inexpensive 6.5 mil expiring contract for a PG who can distribute the ball well and rebound. I would also like to take Amir Johnson from the Raps as well. If the Spurs can pull that off, they'll be set!

[Chinook]

Bonner and Green for Aaron Afflalo.

Major upgrade to Green and he is a two way player.

Overrated defensively and not the shooter Green is. I like him, though.

[rick1991]

Overrated defensively and not the shooter Green is. I like him, though.


He is not one dimensional though and can actually put the ball on the floor. He is in his prime, can shoot, bring some tough overrated defense. If we get him for green and bonner we can beat anyone.

[simba80328]

It may just be my Longhorn homerism speaking, but.. what about signing D.J. to a contract? I like Mills as a backup, but having D.J. would definitely be better than having De Colo

Link: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231020/Raptors-Waive-DJ-Augustin

[exstatic]

It may just be my Longhorn homerism speaking, but.. what about signing D.J. to a contract? I like Mills as a backup, but having D.J. would definitely be better than having De Colo

Link: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231020/Raptors-Waive-DJ-Augustin

Because all 15 roster spots are now filled?

Do I get a cookie?

[Rogue]

If Afflalo could be had for only expiring shits and scrubs, then Cuban would be an idiot to not consider making a move for him tbh. Dude would upgrade our squad dramatically, giving us a 3rd scoring option besides Dirk and Monta. His D might be overrated but still WAY better than Monta and Calderon imho. He would be great as our starting SG, with Monta playing off the bench as a 6th man, a role that he best fits. When Dirk and Monta both suffer poor forms or get locked down by the opponents, we rummage through the rest of our squad for a scorer but always end up finding nothing, which's miserable and pathetic tbh.

[look_at_g_shred]

Because all 15 roster spots are now filled?

Do I get a cookie?
I've got Chocolate chip and Oatmeal. Which do you prefer?

[Libri]

It may just be my Longhorn homerism speaking, but.. what about signing D.J. to a contract? I like Mills as a backup, but having D.J. would definitely be better than having De Colo

Link: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231020/Raptors-Waive-DJ-Augustin

The Bulls are the front runners.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24371273/report-dj-augustin-could-be-signed-by-bulls-when-he-clears-waivers

[spurraider21]

no to augistin. his point guard skills are inferior to Neal/Mills and he is not as good a shooter

[mountainballer]

I can see the Pacers push hard for a deal for Amir and/or Lowry, willing to swallow the Fields contract. Pacers and Raptors have a history when it comes to talk trade. the Pacers bench is really thin behind Scola and Watson and I don't think Granger will come back at full strenghts. (they say it might be soon, he said it could be Fruday). and the Copeland signing can alreday be called a bust. Lowry would be a huge upgrade over Watson and Johnson a huge upgrade over Mahinmi. and they might even find some use for Fields, who isn't as bad a player as he looks like right now. this deal would remove almost 16 million from the Raptors 2014 payroll. (no package the Spurs could offer has as much dump power)

[Baam]

Spurs have their backup center and had him for a while, no need to trade for a big.

The priority is now to get an SF, everyone faps watching the Beli Manu stuff but that shit wont cut it in the POs where someone has to guard George, Bronbron, Durant...

Personally I'm convinced Bonner is getting traded so I think vet on significant deals are the more realistic targets...

Some ideas :

DeColo Bonner Ayres for Gerald Wallace + picks
Cojo + first for Harkless (maybe overpaying but then again he's so young)
Green for Marcus Morris

[szkorhetz]

Spurs have their backup center and had him for a while, no need to trade for a big.

The priority is now to get an SF, everyone faps watching the Beli Manu stuff but that shit wont cut it in the POs where someone has to guard George, Bronbron, Durant...

Personally I'm convinced Bonner is getting traded so I think vet on significant deals are the more realistic targets...

Some ideas :

DeColo Bonner Ayres for Gerald Wallace + picks
Cojo + first for Harkless (maybe overpaying but then again he's so young)
Green for Marcus Morris
Marvin Williams?

[look_at_g_shred]

Marvin Williams?
Harkless deal for sure!

[iManu]

What do you think we can get for Green?

[LittleCriminal]

What about Green, Bonner for Jeff Green...

[apalisoc_9]

Green is not going anywhere..

Right now Tiago-TD-Timmy-Manu-Kawhi-Belli-Green-Diaw are untouchable.

[Baam]

Several posters talked about Snell, well he started playing well and now Thibs is ruining another player, playing a rookie 42min at the beginning of the season... Someone needs to slap this fatass.

[CGD]

Folks need to let go of the idea of trading Danny. It's not happening since he's the spurs best SG defender. Belli or Manu can't contend against elite SGs.

[exstatic]

Folks need to let go of the idea of trading Danny. It's not happening since he's the spurs best SG defender. Belli or Manu can't contend against elite SGs.

Not to mention that he is our de facto backup SF.

[playbonner15]

How about Aminu? What can the FO offer to New Orleans?

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Latest trade scuttle: Raptors trying to construct deal with Knicks that would send Kyle Lowry to New York

[szkorhetz]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Latest trade scuttle: Raptors trying to construct deal with Knicks that would send Kyle Lowry to New York


For who?
Shumpert?

[ace3g]

Rumors say Felton right now

[Chinook]

Not that great of a trade unless Toronto gets better assets than Iman and a first-rounder in five years.

[DPG21920]

The only thing with Lowry is he's the most likely to get you a pick. Because he's off the books next year & Felton will add ~4M to Torontos pay roll NY would need a pick or good enough young player to entice TOR to give up cap space. Basically, TOR getting Felton + 1st Rounder for Lowry would be buying a first rounder for 3M

[DPG21920]

But the catch 22 is will people give up a first rounder for a rental?

[Bruno]

Bobcats have waived James Southerland yesterday. Spurs were linked with him during draft day even if it doesn't seem to be an option with Spurs roster currently being full.

[szkorhetz]

Bobcats have waived James Southerland yesterday. Spurs were linked with him during draft day even if it doesn't seem to be an option with Spurs roster currently being full.
I loved that dude last year.
Haven't seen playing him in the NBA but in college he was a beast.

[r0drig0lac]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Latest trade scuttle: Raptors trying to construct deal with Knicks that would send Kyle Lowry to New York

#tankforwiggins

[szkorhetz]

#tankforwiggins
Randle will be a better player, IMO.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

How good will the Pacers be should they decide to shop Granger's expiring contract? I would bet a lot of teams would throw some pretty good talent at that trade.

[TheGoldStandard]

So many teams waving the flag due to cap space. Wonder where Pau Gasol will end up, a complete waste of talent under dantoni

[ace3g]

Tim Hardaway Jr.'s name was mentioned in those Lowry trade rumors. Depends if you consider him a SF or not (also if Malcolm Thomas doesn't pan out); possible 3 team trade between Spurs, Knicks, and Raptors?

[TheGoldStandard]

Tim Hardaway Jr.'s name was mentioned in those Lowry trade rumors. Depends if you consider him a SF or not (also if Malcolm Thomas doesn't pan out); possible 3 team trade between Spurs, Knicks, and Raptors?

I don't think the Spurs will do anything at all, they are status quo with everything even bonner and his expiring deal as well as all our bench scrubs.

[Chinook]

Tim Hardaway Jr.'s name was mentioned in those Lowry trade rumors. Depends if you consider him a SF or not (also if Malcolm Thomas doesn't pan out); possible 3 team trade between Spurs, Knicks, and Raptors?

I think they'll want to keep Hardaway in Toronto. If he is included it's probably because the Raptors asked for him to be. He's probably the only thing of value they'll get unless some other team wants Felton. I'd take him for De Colo but I doubt he'd play any more than Nando has.

If World Peace does go as part if the deal and gets bought out, I would still be intrigued by him, however.

[look_at_g_shred]

Bonner/De Colo and or Joseph for a decent 3....Aminu comes to mind...

[Baam]

Ideal trade gets us one of Hardaway or Snell and a random SF...

Something like :

Spurs get : Hardaway Jr and Gerald Wallace
Knicks get : Lowry and Danny Green
Raptors get : Felton and Shumpert + 2015 pick from Boston
Celtics get : Bonner + Prigioni

[jesterbobman]

Ideal trade gets us one of Hardaway or Snell and a random SF...

Something like :

Spurs get : Hardaway Jr and Gerald Wallace
Knicks get : Lowry and Danny Green
Raptors get : Felton and Shumpert + 2015 pick from Boston
Celtics get : Bonner + Prigioni

GROSS

[TD 21]

Snell and Hardaway are slender SG's/SF's, which is not what the Spurs need. They need a true SF (or SF/PF), with strength.

As bad as he is at this point and as non Spurs like as he is, if World Peace ends up being traded to Toronto, where he'll inevitably be bought out, the Spurs would be flat out negligent to not express interest.

[Baam]

Snell and Hardaway are slender SG's/SF's, which is not what the Spurs need. They need a true SF (or SF/PF), with strength.

As bad as he is at this point and as non Spurs like as he is, if World Peace ends up being traded to Toronto, where he'll inevitably be bought out, the Spurs would be flat out negligent to not express interest.

That's why you get one of them AND a SF. They serve as Manu insurance at first and eventual long term replacement. Higher upside than Green and no need to pay them before a while...

[TD 21]

That's why you get one of them AND a SF. They serve as Manu insurance at first and eventual long term replacement. Higher upside than Green and no need to pay them before a while...

Belinelli and to a lesser extent, De Colo, are Ginobili insurance. Why overpay (which they'd have to, because it's not like the Bulls and Knicks couldn't use Snell and Hardaway or would have any reason to trade them) for players with limited upside, which they don't need?

[Chomag]

Spurs have some movable pieces that could net them some value because of all the juicy expirings but yes, Spurs FO will most likely stand pat once again hoping to rely totally on Duncan even at 36. This Fo does some great things but gotta call them out on so many missed opportunities.

[Baam]

Belinelli and to a lesser extent, De Colo, are Ginobili insurance. Why overpay (which they'd have to, because it's not like the Bulls and Knicks couldn't use Snell and Hardaway or would have any reason to trade them) for players with limited upside, which they don't need?

I just said why tbh. Whoever gets Green now is the one overpaying for limited upside...

[cd021]

Bonner/De Colo and or Joseph for a decent 3....Aminu comes to mind...

He's plays like more of a PF than a SF. Can't really shoot but is athletic and long plus he can board. I was hoping we would sign him in the off season.

[cd021]

Bonner and Green for Aaron Afflalo.

Major upgrade to Green and he is a two way player.

We'd need a package of 1st rounders or Orlando to stop laughing at our offer. Afflalo may wind up being an allstar. His numbers have been impressive 22 ppg on 47% FG shooting.

I really don't think their is realistic alternative to Danny Green for the money. Plus he has 3 seasons worth of experience with our team, that alone is a leg up.

[cd021]

Snell and Hardaway are slender SG's/SF's, which is not what the Spurs need. They need a true SF (or SF/PF), with strength.

As bad as he is at this point and as non Spurs like as he is, if World Peace ends up being traded to Toronto, where he'll inevitably be bought out, the Spurs would be flat out negligent to not express interest.

I don't know if the Spurs need size or length at SF. I haven't seen Snell play very much but he seems to be a Leonard type. Long & athletic as opposed to the more physical types like Stephen Jackson. Those big and physical types tend to pick up fouls by using their body. Slender players usually rely on their agility to stay in front of their man.

[Chinook]

I wonder how long it will be until Baam proposes Green/Splitter/Bonner for Joe Johnson/Blatche.

[RD2191]

:wakeup

[Baam]

I wonder how long it will be until Baam proposes Green/Splitter/Bonner for Joe Johnson/Blatche.

:lol

Great trade idea btw :wow

:lol

But trading Green makes less and less sense as the season progresses, this summer was the smart time to do it if they wanted to do it so I'll try to focus more on Bonner :toast.

[cd021]

:lol

Great trade idea btw :wow

:lol

But trading Green makes less and less sense as the season progresses, this summer was the smart time to do it if they wanted to do it so I'll try to focus more on Bonner :toast.

BTW how is Sanders doing? He must be the front runner for DVOP, MIP, and the MVP. His Bucks must be thriving right now because of his outstanding play.

Meanwhile Splitter just has the best defensive rating in the league, is all...

[Baam]

BTW how is Sanders doing? He must be the front runner for DVOP, MIP, and the MVP. His Bucks must be thriving right now because of his outstanding play.

Meanwhile Splitter just has the best defensive rating in the league, is all...

Splitter is a situational defender playing with 3 HOFamers and nothing you can say will change that fact, it's like arguing that Bonner is underrated because of his superior +-...

Sanders has off the court issues so not sure what you can make of his play so far but feel free to push your agenda.

[Bruno]

BTW, tomorrow is December 15th and most of the players signed this summer will be eligible to be traded. It might trigger some moves.

[Mel_13]

It will be interesting to see what Houston is able to get for Asik, given that the whole league knows that Morey needs to offload him.

[Mel_13]

Splitter is a situational defender playing with 3 HOFamers and nothing you can say will change that fact, it's like arguing that Bonner is underrated because of his superior +-...

Sanders has off the court issues so not sure what you can make of his play so far but feel free to push your agenda.

:rollin

[cd021]

Splitter is a situational defender playing with 3 HOFamers and nothing you can say will change that fact, it's like arguing that Bonner is underrated because of his superior +-...

Sanders has off the court issues so not sure what you can make of his play so far but feel free to push your agenda.

Splitter plays almost half of the game and has the best defensive rating in the league, that alone is the exact opposite of situational defense. I never called Bonner underrated, I implied he is useful, his +/- is pretty hard to ignore...

Sanders isn't going to live up to that contract. They over payed. He is still a very good prospect ,but historically, athletic defensive big men take 7 or 8 years before they before they are able to become true defensive studs. I'm not getting in to this again with you. You were wrong... clearly though. Its not an agenda to say one player is clearly better than the other.

[mountainballer]

so, how do we value this years Spurs 1st rounder? (pretty save to predict it won't be better than #25)
(and yes, I know the hype about the 2014 draft class)
some reasons why they should trade this pick:
win now. window might be open one more season, considering Manu looks very good this year and Beli is a fantastic fit.
a 1st round contract cuts into the 2015 cap space. (not by much, but still)
enough young players in the pipeline (Hanga, Bertans, Jean-Charles)
return for a first rounder might be pretty high, considering the heating up market.

who? either Nets and Knicks would kill to get Lowry and the reported price is a 1st rounder (which both teams don't have)
3 way trade? one example:
we want Johnson.
Raptors want picks and cap relieve.
Nets want Lowry.

it's a bit tricky, but there are some packages, that deliver Amir to Spurs (and even Teletovic, if they wanted it), Lowry to Nets, and a bunch of picks (Spurs 1st), young player (CJ) and expirings (Bonner, De Colo) to Raptors. one or two more fillers will change place as well. at 15th Spurs might even be able to unload Ayres in that process, if they get Amir he makes even less sense. (so the deal would replace Bonner and Ayres with Amis and Teletovic. pretty nice upgrade in my books)

[Mel_13]

I don't believe that the Raptors will trade Johnson for the Spurs' first rounder plus filler. They'll trade Lowry for that, but not Johnson.

[cd021]

Not exactly Spurs related but Zach Randolph for Ryan Anderson has been mentioned as a rumor on SI.om


Could drop Memphis further out of the playoff picture for the time being. Gasol is out for at least 3 weeks and they are hovering at around .500.

[Budkin]

How can we get Z-Bo? Ok, I know we can't but that would be sweet.

[TD 21]

I don't know if the Spurs need size or length at SF. I haven't seen Snell play very much but he seems to be a Leonard type. Long & athletic as opposed to the more physical types like Stephen Jackson. Those big and physical types tend to pick up fouls by using their body. Slender players usually rely on their agility to stay in front of their man.

They need a combination of size and strength, which makes their interest in Howard doubly suspect.

Snell is too thin and too inexperienced to be relied on. If Leonard goes down in a series against the Nuggets, Warriors, Rockets, Thunder, Heat or Pacers, whoever ultimately ends up with this spot will have to play.


Another name to keep an eye on is Rush. He's recently come back from another major knee injury, has been utilized sparingly by Corbin and is an expiring contract. He could likely be had for little and might even end up being a buyout candidate. He's another 2.5, but the difference between him and Snell/Hardaway is, he's strong enough to guard the bulkier SF's. I'd prefer Williams, but he wouldn't be a bad consolation prize.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Guys unless you're a bolded member, make sure you post your trade ideas here and not in a separate thread because Bruno will lock it immediately. Sorry, forum rules.

[RD2191]

Guys unless you're a bolded member, make sure you post your trade ideas here and not in a separate thread because Bruno will lock it immediately. Sorry, forum rules.

[ChumpDumper]

Bobcats have waived James Southerland yesterday. Spurs were linked with him during draft day even if it doesn't seem to be an option with Spurs roster currently being full.We could see if he eventually joins the D-League, he could work out the timing where the Toros are at the top of the allocation list or something. A lot of the new forwards for Austin have underperformed.

[ChumpDumper]

Guys unless you're a bolded member, make sure you post your trade ideas here and not in a separate thread because Bruno will lock it immediately. Sorry, forum rules.He really hurt you, didn't he?

[playbonner15]

Guys unless you're a bolded member, make sure you post your trade ideas here and not in a separate thread because Bruno will lock it immediately. Sorry, forum rules.
Bruno's enforcer huh :wakeup

[Texas_Ranger]

Release Ayers and we're good.

[Chinook]

I love Bruno locking down threads like he were Kawhi Leonard. I also don't see him letting anyone post trade speculation threads outside of here and the Think Tank for long.

[Bruno]

Guys unless you're a bolded member, make sure you post your trade ideas here and not in a separate thread because Bruno will lock it immediately. Sorry, forum rules.

Dear dallasmaverickslose,
I'm so sorry that I hurt you by closing one of your threads.
I sincerely hope you will find the strength in your heart to forgive me for that major offense.
It would just mean the world to me if you had that greatness.
Please, I'm' begging you.
Let's e-cuddle a little and be e-friends again.

Bruno.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Dear dallasmaverickslose,
I'm so sorry that I hurt you by closing one of your threads.
I sincerely hope you will find the strength in your heart to forgive me for that major offense.
It would just mean the world to me if you had that greatness.
Please, I'm' begging you.
Let's e-cuddle a little and be e-friends again.

Bruno.

Dear Bruno,
Apology not accepted.

dallasmaverickslose.

[RD2191]

Dear Bruno,
Apology not accepted.

dallasmaverickslose.
:lol

[Bruno]

Damn, I'm devastated. :depressed

[barakz21]

Dear dallasmaverickslose,
I'm so sorry that I hurt you by closing one of your threads.
I sincerely hope you will find the strength in your heart to forgive me for that major offense.
It would just mean the world to me if you had that greatness.
Please, I'm' begging you.
Let's e-cuddle a little and be e-friends again.

Bruno.

:lol

[playbonner15]

Dear Bruno,
Apology not accepted.

dallasmaverickslose.

Damn. You're so cold-hearted for a 12 yr old :nope

[bluebellmaniac]

Gotta have a thick skin on an online forum. Even more so with ST, which is really an adult forum given the allowed content. Bruno is one of the best people on ST and certainly one of the most level headed and balanced you will find here. I am thankful for him because otherwise the ThinkTank and even the Spurs Forum page would otherwise be much like the NBA or "The Club" forum pages (unsuitable for general browsing). He makes reading and participating a more enjoyable activity. Managing trade threads helps, it keeps the main Spurs forum page available (and uncluttered) for more pertinent topics. At this point in the season, coalescing trade threads into a single one makes sense. In the off season the ThinkTank is where you want to go for that.

Brush off the fact that the thread got closed and lets focus on why we are here. Enjoy the site and know that Bruno mean no harm to you. He is a great guy.

Who is your favorite Spur of all time?

[RD2191]

:lmao

[ElNono]

So what's the latest scoop? We're getting fat Gasol?

[DPG21920]

Some trade chatter with regards to Philly parting with Hawes to get Asik. That would be excellent for HOU. He would be theoretically a very good fit.

I don't know why PHI wants ASIK, let alone giving up picks for him. They suck even in the East and they have Noel whom they invested a lot in. ASIK/Noel on papers appears to be an awful fit.

[ElNono]

Yeah, makes no sense. Hawes has been great for Philly, and he's a guy with range that can space the floor for Noel...

[Mel_13]

Morey's former assistant is the Philly GM, thus the rumors for players like Young and Hawes.

[Baam]

From what I read it'd be a 3 team deal with Philly parting with Young. And probably getting some other team bad contracts with picks/young assets.

[DPG21920]

Morey's former assistant is the Philly GM, thus the rumors for players like Young and Hawes.

I get that, but I just don't get rumors that don't make sense. I highly doubt there is no truth to the rumor and I am pretty convinced that PHI has interest in Asik and if that it the case, why?

[jesterbobman]

Natural conclusion for the Philly rumours is that Morey and Hinkie are both adjusted +/- stats guys.

By xRAPM



Omer Asik (http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/s4pm/2013/asikom01_2013.html)
Off/100
-0.8
Def/100
5.4
Total/100
4.5
Possessions
9938.0




http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2013.html

That's a roughly top 20 player by per possession stats. (17th last year) His defense is that valuable. That explains Hinkie's interest. People may fairly rate him lower than that(Davis and Drummond in particular have improved and passed him), but Asik can't drop too far.

That stat also explains why the Rockets would be interested in Millsap, but the Hawks won't give him up (Millsap is + 5.4/100p).

[Spursfanfromafar]

If the Sixers indeed are looking to dump Young and/or Hawes in a trade for Asik and the Rockets are not keen on adding Young, I think the Spurs can step in. (By the way the reason why the Rockets wouldn't want to add Young is his contract which will prevent them from extending Parsons).

A trade of this kind:

Sixers: IN- Asik, De Colo, Ayres; OUT - Hawes, Young
Rockets: IN - Hawes, Bonner, Phillies Second Round pick 2014
Spurs: IN - Young; Out - Bonner, De Colo, Ayres

Who says no?

[jesterbobman]

Both of the other teams. They could each do a work around to not involve Young, or send him to another team for better assets.

Philly is an interesting trade partner for a lot of teams. They're so far under the cap that a bit of extra money doesn't cost them anything, so deals with extra money going to Philly can save money on net for teams involved

A CoJo + 1st to Toronto, Amir Johnson here, Bonner and TOR 2nd to Philly trade works. Saving Toronto $5m and having them get a ~ 10 spot upgrade in the draft is a decent return.

Masai probably says no(Got to figure their stats guys love Amir, and Masai listens to them a bit more than Colangelo did) and Hinkie waits as he might get better assets later when more teams are out of the playoff picture.

[DPG21920]

Natural conclusion for the Philly rumours is that Morey and Hinkie are both adjusted +/- stats guys.

By xRAPM



Omer Asik (http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/s4pm/2013/asikom01_2013.html)
Off/100
-0.8
Def/100
5.4
Total/100
4.5
Possessions
9938.0




http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2013.html

That's a roughly top 20 player by per possession stats. (17th last year) His defense is that valuable. That explains Hinkie's interest. People may fairly rate him lower than that(Davis and Drummond in particular have improved and passed him), but Asik can't drop too far.

That stat also explains why the Rockets would be interested in Millsap, but the Hawks won't give him up (Millsap is + 5.4/100p).

Still doesn't make sense to me. Despite what we all know about the ability to track defensive impact better than ever, the same problem that Dwight/Asik presented, Asik/Noel will present. I highly doubt that, despite what the stats say about Dwight & Asik individually, that people don't see the issue with that pairing. It only stands to reason that if you put Asik next to another Dwight-type player (limited ability outside of the paint) that it won't work.

[Baam]

Still doesn't make sense to me. Despite what we all know about the ability to track defensive impact better than ever, the same problem that Dwight/Asik presented, Asik/Noel will present. I highly doubt that, despite what the stats say about Dwight & Asik individually, that people don't see the issue with that pairing. It only stands to reason that if you put Asik next to another Dwight-type player (limited ability outside of the paint) that it won't work.

I don't think Philly want Asik, I think they'd be a partner in a 3 teams trade and would provide Hawes or Young.

That said Noel is so far away from being ready that they could really use Asik if they weren't so concerned about being as bad as they can...

[Mel_13]

I get that, but I just don't get rumors that don't make sense. I highly doubt there is no truth to the rumor and I am pretty convinced that PHI has interest in Asik and if that it the case, why?


Still doesn't make sense to me. Despite what we all know about the ability to track defensive impact better than ever, the same problem that Dwight/Asik presented, Asik/Noel will present. I highly doubt that, despite what the stats say about Dwight & Asik individually, that people don't see the issue with that pairing. It only stands to reason that if you put Asik next to another Dwight-type player (limited ability outside of the paint) that it won't work.

Good morning DPG.

There are lots of reasons why many of these rumors don't seem to make sense, but I think there are two primary explanations.

1. They don't appear to make any sense because they really don't make any sense. Most of the rumors we get from the blogs and twitter are pure BS. They're either complete speculation with no foundation in fact or they're the result of some agent planting a story. We see this every summer with threads that go on for dozens of pages and result in nothing. Then we get posters confused as to why the Spurs didn't do X, Y, or Z. Well, in most cases those weren't ever real options to begin with.

2. We lack some critical piece of information. In this example, Asik/Noel seems to create the same problems as Asik/Howard. What if Philly wants Noel to be a different type of offensive player than Howard? This article suggests that this may be the case: http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball-philadelphia-sixers/brown-thrilled-noels-development-shot

In any event, I think it's really hard to get a good handle on what a team like Philly is trying to do.

[DPG21920]

Very true Mel & I've considered those things definitely. I also think that some teams just make bad moves & often time with hindsight you see their logic was just terrible.

[DesignatedT]

The Kings are reportedly ready to send third-year point guard Isiah Thomas, rookie shooting guard Ben McLemore, shooting guard Marcos Thornton, power forward Jason Thompson, and two future first-round picks to the Celtics for Rondo.

[DPG21920]

Where you see that?

[DesignatedT]

http://defpenradio.com/sacramento-looking-to-trade-for-rajon-rondo

[DPG21920]

:lol what is that site?

[DesignatedT]

No idea, I just googled it. Initially saw the rumor on twitter.

[Chinook]

I think the Kings are a little too far behind the eight ball to make the playoffs this season. So it didn't seem like a good deal to me. However, of the move means they move Williams to the four, I like it. Dunno who'd pay the two, however.

[Captivus]

http://defpenradio.com/sacramento-looking-to-trade-for-rajon-rondo

:lol

[DPG21920]

That is an odd rumor tbh because of what Chinook said, but in all honesty it makes some sense for both teams. It would be quite a haul for BOS to get two first rounders plus some actual decent young prospects. If SAC believes that this year or even next year is the time to go for it, getting a vet proven player to be the 3rd member of a big 3 could be useful if the goal is the playoffs. However, that is a steep price to pay for Rondo who's coming off of injury in addition to his limitations as a player. Not to mention the Rondo/Cousins in the same locker room.

[Mel_13]

Rondo, Gay, and Cousins as a Big 3? Good luck with that.

[DPG21920]

:lol Ya, not exactly an elite big 3. But there is always the "Gay could figure it out" hope.

[exstatic]

Natural conclusion for the Philly rumours is that Morey and Hinkie are both adjusted +/- stats guys.

By xRAPM



Omer Asik (http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/s4pm/2013/asikom01_2013.html)
Off/100
-0.8
Def/100
5.4
Total/100
4.5
Possessions
9938.0




http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2013.html

That's a roughly top 20 player by per possession stats. (17th last year) His defense is that valuable. That explains Hinkie's interest. People may fairly rate him lower than that(Davis and Drummond in particular have improved and passed him), but Asik can't drop too far.

That stat also explains why the Rockets would be interested in Millsap, but the Hawks won't give him up (Millsap is + 5.4/100p).

I get that he's an advanced stats monster, but wow, what a fucking baby. He gets to the point where he can't emotionally play? WTF?

[SpurPadre]

Is there any chance Josh Howard will get picked up somewhere? Maybe even us and then dropping Ayres like a bad habit?

[cjw]

Is there any chance Josh Howard will get picked up somewhere? Maybe even us and then dropping Ayres like a bad habit?

Isn't he signed to a two year deal? Would just mean dead money on the books for next season. Doubt they'd do that though at this point having (1) made the investment and (2) already having Malcolm Thomas on board.

[Baam]

Send Orlando our first + Green for Jameer and Harkless. Jameer is done but the backup PG is back to the shitty 3 PG rotation.

[td4mvp2k]

Would be gr8 to get nelson but if he were cut tho