Official Trade/Signing Ideas Thread

[Bruno]

Cartier Martin would be fine for a 10 days contract, likely better than Jeffers.

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs will sign Aquille Carr to the SF position

[cd021]

Nuggets Nate Robinson out for season. Team still trying to make postseason with all of their injuries (Gallinari, McGee)

Trade idea

Danny Green
Patty Mills

For

Wilson Chandler

Mills is capable of filling a role similar to Robinson off the bench as instant offense. Green is capable of playing both wing spots. Combined they are on cheap deals. Mills deal expires after this season. Green is on the hook for $4 million next season.

Nuggets would save $9.8 million over next two seasons. And get two rotation players to help make a push to the playoffs. If they fall short, they will still save cash.

Chandler is good shooter and can score off the dribble. He isn't quite the defender that Green can be an upgrade. Spurs still would have a 1st rounder and Bonner+ De Colo's expiring deals to get a another deal done.

Also fits the combo forward mold. Can play both spots. At 6'8 & very athletic he'd be a nice fit off the bench as Kawhi's backup or even playing power forward off the bench if Splitter is the 5 off the bench and Diaw starts.

Spurs get an opening to add a player that may come available after a buyout.

If Pop is leaning towards giving Cojo backup PG minutes, he'd be likely to start fazing him in more and more after all star break anyway.

[Chinook]

Would rather trade Leonard. Chandler and Green would be elite in both defense and spacing. Leonard and Chandler would still have a weakness against small twos and ones. Obviously, it's not really worth it to lose either player in a straight-up deal for him. Ideally, the Spurs could trade whatever they had to to keep the Core Six and Diaw. Chandler would then either start for Leonard or play big minutes off the bench, taking the playoff times from Mills/Beli and Ayres.

[TheGoldStandard]

Well according to RealGM Chandler for Nando and Bonner works, lol..

[cd021]

Would rather trade Leonard. Chandler and Green would be elite in both defense and spacing. Leonard and Chandler would still have a weakness against small twos and ones. Obviously, it's not really worth it to lose either player in a straight-up deal for him. Ideally, the Spurs could trade whatever they had to to keep the Core Six and Diaw. Chandler would then either start for Leonard or play big minutes off the bench, taking the playoff times from Mills/Beli and Ayres.

If Leonard was on the table who do you think the Spurs could net given his reputation as a rising star amongst GMs?

[Chinook]

If Leonard was on the table who do you think the Spurs could net given his reputation as a rising star amongst GMs?

I think the Nuggets would send Chandler and the Knicks' pick at least. Maybe even add their own. The Cavs would have sent Waiters and Bennett. I think he's worth a top-five pick even in ths draft, because even though he hasn't been as great as people say, he's been better than most top picks.

[cd021]

Don't know if its been mentioned exactly or not...

Paul Milsap
DeMarre Carrol

For

Tiago Splitter
Nando De Colo
1st Round Pick

Atlanta is in a pretty good situation. Good contracts and currently in the playoffs while building toward the future. If the move cost them a playoff trip, they'd be in the lottery which could help them in the long term. Milsaps stock is high as 1st time all star but can he really play alongside Horford long term? Splitter is a very good defensive big man with some offensive skill. Bud knows how well he can play, when properly utilized.

Horford can play his natural position. Whether they make the post season or not, they'd have two 1st rounder in a deep draft, to help add pieces for a future run with only Indiana's future success, seemingly certain.

Spurs lose size and rim protection but it was difficult to use both Duncan and Splitter this season. Splitter was relegated to 20 mpg last post season. Spurs are likely to go rather small, though we would possibly have to acquire another big man via trade or buyout.

Milsap can score in the post, off hustle plays and has stretched his range out 3pt territory (2.6 attempts per game 37% 3pt shooter this season). Has been solid on very good on both ends,despite his team play .500 ball. A 101 D rating and has been a great mid range shooter (45% in the 10-16 feet range)

Carrol provides a big wing player (6'8) he's a good defender and hits 3's at about league average. Can fill in as another option to throw at Durant, Iggy, Lebron etc.

[TheGoldStandard]

Don't know if its been mentioned exactly or not...

Paul Milsap
DeMarre Carrol

For

Tiago Splitter
Nando De Colo
1st Round Pick

Atlanta is in a pretty good situation. Good contracts and currently in the playoffs while building toward the future. If the move cost them a playoff trip, they'd be in the lottery which could help them in the long term. Milsaps stock is high as 1st time all star but can he really play alongside Horford long term? Splitter is a very good defensive big man with some offensive skill. Bud knows how well he can play, when properly utilized.

Horford can play his natural position. Whether they make the post season or not, they'd have two 1st rounder in a deep draft, to help add pieces for a future run with only Indiana's future success, seemingly certain.

Spurs lose size and rim protection but it was difficult to use both Duncan and Splitter this season. Splitter was relegated to 20 mpg last post season. Spurs are likely to go rather small, though we would possibly have to acquire another big man via trade or buyout.

Milsap can score in the post, off hustle plays and has stretched his range out 3pt territory (2.6 attempts per game 37% 3pt shooter this season). Has been solid on very good on both ends,despite his team play .500 ball. A 101 D rating and has been a great mid range shooter (45% in the 10-16 feet range)

Carrol provides a big wing player (6'8) he's a good defender and hits 3's at about league average. Can fill in as another option to throw at Durant, Iggy, Lebron etc.

Spurs would save a ton of cash for next season and beyond by dealing Milsap but I would personally wait till the end of the season to make this deal. Too far along now to expect Milsap to come in and contribute in our system and we can see if Pop will actually utilize Splitter at all in the PO even if the matchups aren't favorable. I always thought it was weird how the Spurs react to personnel changes by other teams rather than making other teams react to them.

Again thought

Bonner + De Colo for Chandler.. Make it happen

[Chinook]

Not bad cd021. I think the Spurs and Hawks can do better by bringing in a third team like Toronto or Philly. Atlanta is loaded with assets, and I'm sure they'd be willing to part with most if they could add Splitter while keeping Horford and Millsap.

I like Millsap as a third big. Even as a starter if Splitter stayed. But the defensive loss would be great without another good seven-footer. Carrol would help, but the team would still be one defender short.

[cd021]

Pacers apparently getting serious on signing Bynum.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10386025/free-agent-andrew-bynum-meets-indiana-pacers

The freakish tall and or long get freakishly taller and longer if it happens...

[cd021]

Heard a few months ago (Zach Lowe mentioned it in one of his articles) about Indiana possibly having to part with Scola to keep Lan Stephenson (who is a RFA) after this season.

Almost, certainly any deal wouldn't happen before the deadline though.

[TheGoldStandard]

Heard a few months ago (Zach Lowe mentioned it in one of his articles) about Indiana possibly having to part with Scola to keep Lan Stephenson (who is a RFA) after this season.

Almost, certainly any deal wouldn't happen before the deadline though.

Nah, they'll hold onto him till the off-season. Bynum going to Indy could be good or could end up being a disaster but they want that length in the middle.

[cd021]

Not bad cd021. I think the Spurs and Hawks can do better by bringing in a third team like Toronto or Philly. Atlanta is loaded with assets, and I'm sure they'd be willing to part with most if they could add Splitter while keeping Horford and Millsap.

I like Millsap as a third big. Even as a starter if Splitter stayed. But the defensive loss would be great without another good seven-footer. Carrol would help, but the team would still be one defender short.

Yeah, i'd be hesitant mainly because, if we couldn't aquire another bigman we'd have to roll with Duncan-Milsap-Diaw (probably)-Leonard and Ayers/ Baynes/Bonner for spot minutes. Either way that would be a rather small front line.

I wonder if Okafor could be available for buyout

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/12/07/eisenberg-emeka-okafor-could-change-the-landscape-of-the-western-conference/

the article is about a month old, but if he does and is healthy he'd a nice get indeed.

[TheGoldStandard]

Not bad cd021. I think the Spurs and Hawks can do better by bringing in a third team like Toronto or Philly. Atlanta is loaded with assets, and I'm sure they'd be willing to part with most if they could add Splitter while keeping Horford and Millsap.

I like Millsap as a third big. Even as a starter if Splitter stayed. But the defensive loss would be great without another good seven-footer. Carrol would help, but the team would still be one defender short.

There has to be some far fetch scenario where we could get Millsap and Chandler for all our spare parts.

[Chinook]

Yeah, i'd be hesitant mainly because, if we couldn't aquire another bigman we'd have to roll with Duncan-Milsap-Diaw (probably)-Leonard and Ayers/ Baynes/Bonner for spot minutes. Either way that would be a rather small front line.

I wonder if Okafor could be available for buyout

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/12/07/eisenberg-emeka-okafor-could-change-the-landscape-of-the-western-conference/

the article is about a month old, but if he does and is healthy he'd a nice get indeed.

What about this for extreme shake-up trades?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lxsa6rg

Hayes adds a post defender while Johnson adds mobility. Essentially replacing Splitter with two players. Add in Noguiera and maybe another asset from the Spurs, and I think both sides go for it.

PS: Don't worry about the failure in the trade machine. That's easy o get around in real life.

[cd021]

Nah, they'll hold onto him till the off-season. Bynum going to Indy could be good or could end up being a disaster but they want that length in the middle.

Glad to see Indi is an active member in the F#ck Miami Coalition. Getting Bynum could, at the very least, take away the only affordable big man big enough to sit a the same table as Hibbert.

[TheGoldStandard]

Glad to see Indi is an active member in the F#ck Miami Coalition. Getting Bynum could, at the very least, take away the only affordable big man big enough to sit a the same table as Hibbert.

They really hate Miami and who could blame them. They have the recipe for a victory in the East and they could give anyone in the west a run. If Bynum got his shit together mentally he'd be a solid big off the bench to hammer the 2nd unit.

[Chinook]

There has to be some far fetch scenario where we could get Millsap and Chandler for all our spare parts.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=matd2u2

[TheGoldStandard]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=matd2u2

Hate to lose Marco and Mills to an extent but that SF/PF combo would be nice with the inevitable small ball lineups we will run out there.

[cd021]

What about this for extreme shake-up trades?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lxsa6rg

Hayes adds a post defender while Johnson adds mobility. Essentially replacing Splitter with two players. Add in Noguiera and maybe another asset from the Spurs, and I think both sides go for it.

PS: Don't worry about the failure in the trade machine. That's easy o get around in real life.

Wouldn't that put us dangerously near the tax line? With Hawes, Fields and Johnson all on the books next season for at least $5.7 a piece + Diaw resigning.

I'd be in favor of clearing out the clutter in the big man rotation and your deal does give us some legit depth at SF, PF, and C.
Though, i do like Fields ability to handle ball. He is an on a bad deal that's my only major hangup with the deal.

Then again, I think this team really only need a "Nazi Mohammad" type deal. A low key deal that doesn't grab the headlines but gets the job done.

Would we get Noguiera in the deal BTW?

[SpurPadre]

Wouldn't that put us dangerously near the tax line? With Hawes, Fields and Johnson all on the books next season for at least $5.7 a piece + Diaw resigning.

I'd be in favor of clearing out the clutter in the big man rotation and your deal does give us some legit depth at SF, PF, and C.
Though, i do like Fields ability to handle ball. He is an on a bad deal that's my only major hangup with the deal.

Then again, I think this team really only need a "Nazi Mohammad" type deal. A low key deal that doesn't grab the headlines but gets the job done.

Would we get Noguiera in the deal BTW?

Agree about the "Nazi Mohammad" type deal. If memory serves me right, was that the last time we actually pulled off a trade that paid immediate dividends in the playoffs? I mean, sure, he didn't last but in the short-term, it was a great move that went under the radar and that's all TD and Manu care about as they near retirement.

[Chinook]

Wouldn't that put us dangerously near the tax line? With Hawes, Fields and Johnson all on the books next season for at least $5.7 a piece + Diaw resigning.

I'd be in favor of clearing out the clutter in the big man rotation and your deal does give us some legit depth at SF, PF, and C.
Though, i do like Fields ability to handle ball. He is an on a bad deal that's my only major hangup with the deal.

Then again, I think this team really only need a "Nazi Mohammad" type deal. A low key deal that doesn't grab the headlines but gets the job done.

Would we get Noguiera in the deal BTW?

The Spurs would be eating a ton of money, but they'd be no where near the tax next season. It'd only add about $3 Million to their current payroll, and Diaw isn't going to get a huge raise. With the cap increase, they would still have a ton of room. Plus, the books would be completely clean for 2015.

As far as Noguiera goes, I had assumed he'd go to Toronto. But it depends on negotiations. The Spurs eating all that salary may allow them to pick up an asset (Joseph to Toronto and Schröder to SA?) or at least keep their pick.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Cartier Martin would be fine for a 10 days contract, likely better than Jeffers.

Isn't he already on a 10 day contract (the second one) with the Bulls?

If not, he would be very useful. Decent swingman, good on offense, mediocre defender.

[Hoops Czar]

Don't know if its been mentioned exactly or not...

Paul Milsap
DeMarre Carrol

For

Tiago Splitter
Nando De Colo
1st Round Pick

Atlanta is in a pretty good situation. Good contracts and currently in the playoffs while building toward the future. If the move cost them a playoff trip, they'd be in the lottery which could help them in the long term. Milsaps stock is high as 1st time all star but can he really play alongside Horford long term? Splitter is a very good defensive big man with some offensive skill. Bud knows how well he can play, when properly utilized.

Horford can play his natural position. Whether they make the post season or not, they'd have two 1st rounder in a deep draft, to help add pieces for a future run with only Indiana's future success, seemingly certain.

Spurs lose size and rim protection but it was difficult to use both Duncan and Splitter this season. Splitter was relegated to 20 mpg last post season. Spurs are likely to go rather small, though we would possibly have to acquire another big man via trade or buyout.

Milsap can score in the post, off hustle plays and has stretched his range out 3pt territory (2.6 attempts per game 37% 3pt shooter this season). Has been solid on very good on both ends,despite his team play .500 ball. A 101 D rating and has been a great mid range shooter (45% in the 10-16 feet range)

Carrol provides a big wing player (6'8) he's a good defender and hits 3's at about league average. Can fill in as another option to throw at Durant, Iggy, Lebron etc.

You could have stopped at Tiago Splitter. The Spurs didn't sign him to a new contract in the offseason so they could trade him 6 months later. The Spurs have never operated that way and they aren't going to start now.

[cd021]

You could have stopped at Tiago Splitter. The Spurs didn't sign him to a new contract in the offseason so they could trade him 6 months later. The Spurs have never operated that way and they aren't going to start now.

If they could get a couple of rotations pieces (one being an all star) and save cash in the process any team would operate that way.

The move could be a benifit to both teams. Milsap is a stop gap, signing a 2 year 19 million deal. Moving him for a legitimate rim protecting center and nabbing a 1st rounder to boot isn't a bad haul. Plus they'd ,possibly, slip in the standings which would only help their draft order.

Milsap is a versatile scorer (include from 3) and can defend. Carol is a long, 6'8 SF who can play both forward spots (the 4 in small ball)

I mentioned to Chinook that we'd need to get another bigman (on the account that Ayers and Baynes are awful).


A more realistic ,low key deal, that I'd like to see, would be Aminu for Bonner +a 2nd rounder (possibly a future, protected 2nd as well).

He is essentially a taller (6'10) longer, and more athletic Leonard. He doesn't have Leonard's upside or his 3pt shooting but could start at PF for the Spurs and also play small forward when Kawhi sits. Diaw and Splitter could both come off the bench with Manu and Beli and Mills (he'd be less of a liability defensively playing with Leonard, Diaw and Splitter on the floor).

[Hoops Czar]

If they could get a couple of rotations pieces (one being an all star) and save cash in the process any team would operate that way.

The move could be a benifit to both teams. Milsap is a stop gap, signing a 2 year 19 million deal. Moving him for a legitimate rim protecting center and nabbing a 1st rounder to boot isn't a bad haul. Plus they'd ,possibly, slip in the standings which would only help their draft order.

Milsap is a versatile scorer (include from 3) and can defend. Carol is a long, 6'8 SF who can play both forward spots (the 4 in small ball)

I mentioned to Chinook that we'd need to get another bigman (on the account that Ayers and Baynes are awful).


A more realistic ,low key deal, that I'd like to see, would be Aminu for Bonner +a 2nd rounder (possibly a future, protected 2nd as well).

He is essentially a taller (6'10) longer, and more athletic Leonard. He doesn't have Leonard's upside or his 3pt shooting but could start at PF for the Spurs and also play small forward when Kawhi sits. Diaw and Splitter could both come off the bench with Manu and Beli and Mills (he'd be less of a liability defensively playing with Leonard, Diaw and Splitter on the floor).

The only time RC Buford ever bent over backwards to make a trade was a RJ for S-jax swap. The only reason he made the trade was to save money and none of that money was put forth toward improving the team. If the FO cared so much, Bonner would ave been amnestied/traded, De Colo and Baynes would be overseas, Ayres would be playing somewhere else for the league minimum and Patty wouldn't be the backup PG. The FO doesn't really care about team needs. That was made evident in the last few offseasons. It's all about draft and stash and wait for the next Ginobili to hatch from its overseas caccoon. The problem is the NBa landscape has changed. It's the Spurs that haven't.

I didn't say I don't approve. I'm saying it won't happen. Splitter is a Spur lifer. And it's not bigs that the Spurs need, it's quality bigs and those don't grow on trees. Aminu would be a nice pickup but team's don't want Bonner. He's proven that he's not even a rotational player anymore. If the Spurs can't get in on a three-way, I can't see the Spurs doing much of anything because they have no assets except D-league level expirings with little to no upside. It's not helping the Spurs cause that players are out injured and their only tradeable assets are crapping their pants left and right.

[Baam]

You could have stopped at Tiago Splitter. The Spurs didn't sign him to a new contract in the offseason so they could trade him 6 months later. The Spurs have never operated that way and they aren't going to start now.

I don't agree, they had to re sign him not to lose an asset for nothing, and because he was a good fit between Tim and Kawhi... None of these things would be true anymore, they'd get something back and he doesn't seem to be as good of a fit anymore... The priority is contending now...

I just wish they don't trade the pick, I want to see Kyle Anderson on the team so badly, two Diaw instead of one, I'd be so happy...

The problem with smaller moves is that the impact will probably be minimal in most cases, even Diaw barely got the nod in time his first year, it'd take pretty good players to make the PO rotation without the infamous training camp/coorporate knowledge...

Which is why I'd restrict myself to bad contracts or headcase that wouldn't cost a pick (and could even get us one back) while still having good to great potential.

Gerald Wallace
Eric Gordon (with Ginob injury I think he become a much better fit)
JR Smith
Bynum (could really use the low post scoring against OKC shot blockers)

edit not to triple post : Enes Kanter seems on his way out of Utah, would like him as well at backup center but they don't have any contract to shed and would only take picks/young assets we can't spare...

[Baam]

The only time RC Buford ever bent over backwards to make a trade was a RJ for S-jax swap. The only reason he made the trade was to save money and none of that money was put forth toward improving the team. If the FO cared so much, Bonner would ave been amnestied/traded, De Colo and Baynes would be overseas, Ayres would be playing somewhere else for the league minimum and Patty wouldn't be the backup PG. The FO doesn't really care about team needs. That was made evident in the last few offseasons. It's all about draft and stash and wait for the next Ginobili to hatch from its overseas caccoon. The problem is the NBa landscape has changed. It's the Spurs that haven't.

They actually have changed, they've lost their best guys at the FO and on the coaching staff starting with Presti. RC much like Pop is quite overrated, look at the 2011 draft video, he was so excited about Cojo, he was like "this guy is every bit as exciting to us than Kawhi, look at how smart we are" :lol:. Turns out that was an epic fail...

[Hoops Czar]

They actually have changed, they've lost their best guys at the FO and on the coaching staff starting with Presti. RC much like Pop is quite overrated, look at the 2011 draft video, he was so excited about Cojo, he was like "this guy is every bit as exciting to us than Kawhi, look at how smart we are" :lol:. Turns out that was an epic fail...

Nobody has to tell me RC Buford is overrated. I've been saying itfor the last couple of years. The day Presti left SA to take the job in OKC was the day the front office picked up and walked out the door. They have literally nothing to show from the draft the last four years. Most of them are draft and stash and you never hear from them again. The Spurs even struggle to develop talent.

About Tiago, if the Spurs wanted to rid themselves of him, they could have done a sign and trade. They just don't do those things. Most plyers that sign contracts stay til their contract is up (ie. Bonner). And RC Buford after what happened with the RJ situation has no desire to take on anymore bad contracts. I wish they'd do something though because as currently constructed, they're going to struggle this year unless they've been saving their defensive intensity for the second half (very unlikely). It's really easy to pointb at injuries as a reason for the Spurs struggles but they werevstruggling prior to injuries against good teams.

[DapDaGenius]

Hate to lose Marco and Mills to an extent but that SF/PF combo would be nice with the inevitable small ball lineups we will run out there.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kccxox8

[r0drig0lac]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kccxox8
it is delusion, get 2 good players for trash?

[DapDaGenius]

it is delusion, get 2 good players for trash?

I only put the trade b/c he said he'd hate to lose Marco and Mills, so I switched them out. lol

If I was serious, it would be delusional.

[cd021]

The only time RC Buford ever bent over backwards to make a trade was a RJ for S-jax swap. The only reason he made the trade was to save money and none of that money was put forth toward improving the team. If the FO cared so much, Bonner would ave been amnestied/traded, De Colo and Baynes would be overseas, Ayres would be playing somewhere else for the league minimum and Patty wouldn't be the backup PG. The FO doesn't really care about team needs. That was made evident in the last few offseasons. It's all about draft and stash and wait for the next Ginobili to hatch from its overseas caccoon. The problem is the NBa landscape has changed. It's the Spurs that haven't.

I didn't say I don't approve. I'm saying it won't happen. Splitter is a Spur lifer. And it's not bigs that the Spurs need, it's quality bigs and those don't grow on trees. Aminu would be a nice pickup but team's don't want Bonner. He's proven that he's not even a rotational player anymore. If the Spurs can't get in on a three-way, I can't see the Spurs doing much of anything because they have no assets except D-league level expirings with little to no upside. It's not helping the Spurs cause that players are out injured and their only tradeable assets are crapping their pants left and right.

Thats exactly why the Pelicans would be interested. A cheap deal that expires at the end of the season. He is a bench player that would be moved for a started (Aminu). The Pelicans aren't making the post season with Phoenix, Dallas, Memphis, Denver and Minnesota all having a chance of making it (the 7th and 8th). If The Pelicans pick is out side of the top 5 they lose it to Phili (Holiday deal) if their pick is inside the top 5 then they keep it.

So the move makes sense. Move a starter for a fringe rotation player and the team gets worse.

We did win the Jax/RJ trade and made GSW look like morons for acquiring RJs deal , and essentially paying $11 million for the 29th pick in the draft)

He has been conservative but while most teams make swing for the fence signings or trades only a handful have actually payed off to the tune of a conference finals appearance.

Knicks
Signed Stoudimire a $100 million dollar deal
Traded 5 player in a deal to acquire Anthony
Signed Chandler to $4 year, 60 million deal

results
Lost in the 1st round to the Heat (Minus Chandler)
Lost in the Semis in 5 games to the Pacers

Nets
Traded for Deron Williams, later resigned to the max
Traded for Joe Johnson

Lost in the 1st round to the Bulls

Lakers
Traded Bynum + a pick in a deal that aquired Dwight Howard.
Trade 3 picks for Steve Nash

Result sweep loss in the 1st round

Philadelphia
traded first rounder+ Andre Iguadala in a deal that netted them Andrew Bynum
result missed post season, cause rebuild.

Spurs lack of aggression, in terms of acquiring players has actually worked out surprisingly well.

Spurs found Green when Manu broke a bone in his hand. Found Neal, after he lit up the summer league and make the most of a roster spot in the NBA. Traded Hill for Leonard (a move that saved them a ton of cash and got them a higher ceiling talent). Signed Beli, who is the leading the NBA is 3pt shooting, for 2 years 5 million.

Bonner and De Colo are still on roster because they are expendable and can be packaged for a player making up to $7.9 million. Baynes is on a cheap deal that can be thrown into make a deal work. None of them are playing particulary big roles on the team anyway.

I agree on the draft and stash. But the Spurs do have an intriguing list of stashes including Bertans, Hanga, & Jean-Charles.

[cd021]

The Spurs would be eating a ton of money, but they'd be no where near the tax next season. It'd only add about $3 Million to their current payroll, and Diaw isn't going to get a huge raise. With the cap increase, they would still have a ton of room. Plus, the books would be completely clean for 2015.

As far as Noguiera goes, I had assumed he'd go to Toronto. But it depends on negotiations. The Spurs eating all that salary may allow them to pick up an asset (Joseph to Toronto and Schröder to SA?) or at least keep their pick.

Ok. That wouldn't be a bad deal Noguiera, from what i've heard, has some nice upside and if we'd be able to keep our pick or acquire Schröder that would icing on the cake.

As for Diaw, i've been interested to see what type of deal he would sign. Would the Spurs consider trading him knowing he has rehabbed his stock quite a bit and that they'd have to pay in the off season? Also how many years would he sign on for as well? It doesn't necessarily make sense to bring him back on a 2 or 3 year deal since the Duncan and Manu would be gone.

[xmas1997]

The only time RC Buford ever bent over backwards to make a trade was a RJ for S-jax swap. The only reason he made the trade was to save money and none of that money was put forth toward improving the team. If the FO cared so much, Bonner would ave been amnestied/traded, De Colo and Baynes would be overseas, Ayres would be playing somewhere else for the league minimum and Patty wouldn't be the backup PG. The FO doesn't really care about team needs. That was made evident in the last few offseasons. It's all about draft and stash and wait for the next Ginobili to hatch from its overseas caccoon. The problem is the NBa landscape has changed. It's the Spurs that haven't.

I didn't say I don't approve. I'm saying it won't happen. Splitter is a Spur lifer. And it's not bigs that the Spurs need, it's quality bigs and those don't grow on trees. Aminu would be a nice pickup but team's don't want Bonner. He's proven that he's not even a rotational player anymore. If the Spurs can't get in on a three-way, I can't see the Spurs doing much of anything because they have no assets except D-league level expirings with little to no upside. It's not helping the Spurs cause that players are out injured and their only tradeable assets are crapping their pants left and right.

It was a gamble that didn't pay off, but at least it got rid of RJ and probably the only way to get rid of him. Too bad SJax was worse than he was attitude wise than the last time with the Spurs.

[hoopdreams11]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6417786

Check out this since Nate just busted his ACL

[TheGoldStandard]

Well the Pacers signed Bynum.

[TheGoldStandard]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6417786

Check out this since Nate just busted his ACL

We save money off the bat in the long run which is okay and Mosgov isn't terrible but we would have to cut Miller. Chandler alone by moving Bonner and de Colo and a second would be fine. Milsap deal would he essentially the same and Atlanta has more of an incentive to pick up a draft pick seeing as they have a pick probably in the 1-10 range and Brooklyns pick

[TheGoldStandard]

If they could get a couple of rotations pieces (one being an all star) and save cash in the process any team would operate that way.

The move could be a benifit to both teams. Milsap is a stop gap, signing a 2 year 19 million deal. Moving him for a legitimate rim protecting center and nabbing a 1st rounder to boot isn't a bad haul. Plus they'd ,possibly, slip in the standings which would only help their draft order.

Milsap is a versatile scorer (include from 3) and can defend. Carol is a long, 6'8 SF who can play both forward spots (the 4 in small ball)

I mentioned to Chinook that we'd need to get another bigman (on the account that Ayers and Baynes are awful).


A more realistic ,low key deal, that I'd like to see, would be Aminu for Bonner +a 2nd rounder (possibly a future, protected 2nd as well).

He is essentially a taller (6'10) longer, and more athletic Leonard. He doesn't have Leonard's upside or his 3pt shooting but could start at PF for the Spurs and also play small forward when Kawhi sits. Diaw and Splitter could both come off the bench with Manu and Beli and Mills (he'd be less of a liability defensively playing with Leonard, Diaw and Splitter on the floor).

I would love Aminu on the floor, his athleticism is a huge attraction plus his height. His stroke can be worked on and he is still very young

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ‏@ShamsCharania (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania) 1h (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/429635396234797058) Free agent forward Cartier Martin will sign a 10-day contract with the Atlanta Hawks this afternoon, league source tells RealGM.

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[NickiRasgo]

Spurs signed Shannon Brown for a 10-day contract.

[heyheymymy]

we should take a look at nunnally imo tbh

[hoopdreams11]

Well according to RealGM Chandler for Nando and Bonner works, lol..

Chandler
Mozgov
Miller

works for
Bonner
Cojo
DeColo
Splitter

[TheGoldStandard]

Chandler
Mozgov
Miller

works for
Bonner
Cojo
DeColo
Splitter

Don't want Miller at all, Splitter deal saves us in the long run though

[hoopdreams11]

I hear what you are saying about Miller but Denver is will not be inclined to trade without dumping Miller.

[td4mvp2k]

Deculo bein cut n them signin anotha player looks more like wats gunna happen tbh

[TheGoldStandard]

De Colo and Bonner back next season

[td4mvp2k]

Bonner prob but not deculo tbh

[szkorhetz]

Corey Brewer anyone? I know he is probably out of reach, but if the Wolves finally fell short on the Playoff run he should be somewhat available just like Mbah Moute

[SpurPadre]

De Colo and Bonner back next season

Not only will Bonner be back next season, but he will eventually become the head coach after Pop retires, then he'll become the owner. When he dies, his ghost will haunt the home court, too. He's a curse, an itch you can't scratch. The fucker will not go away...

[TheGoldStandard]

Not only will Bonner be back next season, but he will eventually become the head coach after Pop retires, then he'll become the owner. When he dies, his ghost will haunt the home court, too. He's a curse, an itch you can't scratch. The fucker will not go away...

:pop:: All because he spreads the floor and his ass.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Splitter is back. 429765849314897920

[SpurPadre]

Splitter is back. 429765849314897920

We'll have two more NBA players then we've had in a while. It's refreshing to see a Spurs team field a team with more NBA players than D-League hell!

[tholdren]

only pussycats sprain their shoulder

trade please

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[tholdren]

Isn't he already on a 10 day contract (the second one) with the Bulls?

If not, he would be very useful. Decent swingman, good on offense, mediocre defender.

he blows.

[ace3g]

Jake Fischer @JakeLFischer (https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer) Follow (https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer) Source: 8 teams called the #Sixers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Sixers&src=hash) to discuss trades in January. Also, Philadelphia has shifted interest to acquiring a 2015 1st Rd Pick.

[Chinook]

You know, I like Quincy Acy for some reason. He seems like the type of scrappy player who would have random heroic performances in big moments against players significantly better than him. Obviously ANOTHER big isn't a huge priority. But if the team makes a huge trade which shakes up the big rotation, I'd be happy with him being one of the players who ended up in Silver and Black.

[Chinook]

Jake Fischer @JakeLFischer (https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer) Follow (https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer) Source: 8 teams called the #Sixers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Sixers&src=hash) to discuss trades in January. Also, Philadelphia has shifted interest to acquiring a 2015 1st Rd Pick.

Cool. They have a lot of pieces and will be players in both straight-up and multi-team deals.

[$pursDynasty]

Boy we are thin if Timmy is starting the 4th and sure we wouldn't have made this run w/o him but if Splitter is limited we should play Baynes more.

[$pursDynasty]

man I knew Tiago would take it up soft, glad he hit it but you could hear it in Sean ******'s voice , he isn't excited for the return of the finesse he (as do I) prefer Ayers going top shelf.

[$pursDynasty]

Matt no defense Bonner

[$pursDynasty]

ok ok Red Mamba
dang thought I was in the gametime thread my bad

[Two10Whitey]

Spurs got lucky with that weak ass call.

[bluebellmaniac]

Sham has updated salaries through Feb 1st.

Check them out here:
http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/spurs.jsp

[palangi]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=muvhbja


Here is a simple trade that helps us out on the wing.

Toronto gets:
Corey Joseph-gets to go back home to canada to play. Toronto could use a young backup PG

Spurs get
Austin Daye- I am not expecting this guy to be an all star. I understand he has limitations. But he is a 6'10" SF that can really shoot. He brings length and an actual backup SF. could also play te 4 in small ball.

[Chinook]

One of Jason Thompson, Carl Landry or Derrick Williams needs to be traded before the tax deadline next season. The Kings are only $8 Million under the projected tax threshold with only 10 players on the roster and with Isaiah Thomas unsigned. I think any of them would be a good get for the team, with Williyams being the best, followed by Thompson and then Landry.

I know another big isn't a huge need, but sending out Ayres and Bonner and receiving one of the three would upgrade the big rotation tremendously. Maybe something like this to piggyback off another's trade idea:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lah3799

The Spurs lose some spacing, but they get a legitmate fourth big. Sure, Landry is a better fit, but that contract is horrible for someone who's just a move-accomplished Blair. I guess he'd be really good Diaw insurance. But that's not worth that much. Obviously Williams is still intriguing, but his stock is still decently high, and he is only owed about half of what the others are. Less incentive to trade him away.

The rest of the deal is filler. Securing a PG who's under contract for next season other than Parker is a must, and McCallum has some upside. Joseph being traded helps clear the books next season, as does Ayres being traded. It pretty much makes acquiring Thompson cash-neutral. Daye adds some spacing and is cheap.

For the Kings it saves a ton of money when they really need it for only a small fee. Their big rotation would be strong, especially with Williams being able to start. The guard rotation is weak, but they can fix that in the off-season with their extra cash. The Raptors gain a cheap fan favorite for only the cost of an end-of-bench player. Really good deal for them...maybe too good.

[szkorhetz]

One of Jason Thompson, Carl Landry or Derrick Williams needs to be traded before the tax deadline next season. The Kings are only $8 Million under the projected tax threshold with only 10 players on the roster and with Isaiah Thomas unsigned. I think any of them would be a good get for the team, with Williyams being the best, followed by Thompson and then Landry.

I know another big isn't a huge need, but sending out Ayres and Bonner and receiving one of the three would upgrade the big rotation tremendously. Maybe something like this to piggyback off another's trade idea:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lah3799

The Spurs lose some spacing, but they get a legitmate fourth big. Sure, Landry is a better fit, but that contract is horrible for someone who's just a move-accomplished Blair. I guess he'd be really good Diaw insurance. But that's not worth that much. Obviously Williams is still intriguing, but his stock is still decently high, and he is only owed about half of what the others are. Less incentive to trade him away.

The rest of the deal is filler. Securing a PG who's under contract for next season other than Parker is a must, and McCallum has some upside. Joseph being traded helps clear the books next season, as does Ayres being traded. It pretty much makes acquiring Thompson cash-neutral. Daye adds some spacing and is cheap.

For the Kings it saves a ton of money when they really need it for only a small fee. Their big rotation would be strong, especially with Williams being able to start. The guard rotation is weak, but they can fix that in the off-season with their extra cash. The Raptors gain a cheap fan favorite for only the cost of an end-of-bench player. Really good deal for them...maybe too good.
I really like this trade. Not a huge trade but Thompson is a huge upgrade over Ayers and I always liked Daye.

[ABC]

Sham has updated salaries through Feb 1st.

Check them out here:
http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/spurs.jsp

Thanks! Did he forget Malcolm Thomas or is Thomas not a cap hit at all because he was claimed off waivers? I thought he'd count for the time he was with the Spurs.

[palangi]

One of Jason Thompson, Carl Landry or Derrick Williams needs to be traded before the tax deadline next season. The Kings are only $8 Million under the projected tax threshold with only 10 players on the roster and with Isaiah Thomas unsigned. I think any of them would be a good get for the team, with Williyams being the best, followed by Thompson and then Landry.

I know another big isn't a huge need, but sending out Ayres and Bonner and receiving one of the three would upgrade the big rotation tremendously. Maybe something like this to piggyback off another's trade idea:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lah3799

The Spurs lose some spacing, but they get a legitmate fourth big. Sure, Landry is a better fit, but that contract is horrible for someone who's just a move-accomplished Blair. I guess he'd be really good Diaw insurance. But that's not worth that much. Obviously Williams is still intriguing, but his stock is still decently high, and he is only owed about half of what the others are. Less incentive to trade him away.

The rest of the deal is filler. Securing a PG who's under contract for next season other than Parker is a must, and McCallum has some upside. Joseph being traded helps clear the books next season, as does Ayres being traded. It pretty much makes acquiring Thompson cash-neutral. Daye adds some spacing and is cheap.

For the Kings it saves a ton of money when they really need it for only a small fee. Their big rotation would be strong, especially with Williams being able to start. The guard rotation is weak, but they can fix that in the off-season with their extra cash. The Raptors gain a cheap fan favorite for only the cost of an end-of-bench player. Really good deal for them...maybe too good.
This trade would be great. I like it.

[DPG21920]

The reason I said I am fully on board with going after another scorer is because of Gino breaking down. I said I was concerned with his hammy injury last year and the subsequent results just like this year. Even though his minutes were managed meticulously, he still broke down and his shot was broken after the first hammy injury this year. Then came the 2nd injury to the hammy that will keep him out a month.

Even with limited minutes against bench players his production was unsustainable post hammy. Pop/Spurs still relied on him for offense though and when he was healthy he was creating/getting to the rim. That happened less after the injury and he cannot be relied upon IMO with this second injury.

I know the Spurs need a back up SF, but they need a 3rd offensive option and it's clear Pop doesn't really believe anyone outside of Manu can be that option. If that is the case, a trade for a legit 3rd offensive option is priority IMO.

Well, even though a 10-day player isn't enough proof to definitively say anything, it does shed some light on the Spurs thinking. Pop's comments would seem to echo the above logic as well. With Danny/Kawhi due back and Tiago already back, it seems the concern is offense. Manu is out for quite a while it appears and everyone, including Pop saw what the injuries did last year.

The guys the Spurs will be getting back (at least in Pop's eyes) will help a lot more defensively than offensively. So with that in mind, and things like signing Shannon Brown, I would watch for trades of an offensive nature.

[Chinook]

Well, even though a 10-day player isn't enough proof to definitively say anything, it does shed some light on the Spurs thinking. Pop's comments would seem to echo the above logic as well. With Danny/Kawhi due back and Tiago already back, it seems the concern is offense. Manu is out for quite a while it appears and everyone, including Pop saw what the injuries did last year.

The guys the Spurs will be getting back (at least in Pop's eyes) will help a lot more defensively than offensively. So with that in mind, and things like signing Shannon Brown, I would watch for trades of an offensive nature.

I understand what you mean, but I disagree the Spurs should focus on offense for the 15th spot. They have plenty of that, and they can get more by changing their play-calling. They've weathered the Manu storm too many times to be concerned about how to score without him.

But they're completely dependent on the New Two for defense. One can't even get on foul trouble against a good team without risking a defensive meltdown. They need defense not just until everyone is healthy, but also as insurance.

Pop may well do what you're suggesting, but hopefully he won't make that a priority for potential trade targets.

[DPG21920]

It won't be for the 15th roster spot in reality. Someone already on the roster (including Manu) will get pushed down. With Manu severely limited in ability at this point, they really don't have a lot of offense. Relying only TP/Tim to create is very, very difficult. Spurs have shooters, but that is different. They have good ball movement, but that is different. They don't have scorers/play makers outside of TP/Tim and what most of us believe to be Kawhi.

Heck, if we are being honest, we only have 1 guy on the team that can handle the ball effectively in a playoff type setting with regards to running an offense through that player.

[DPG21920]

But my best case hope is they can do a trade that brings in both (a legit 3rd scoring option & wing defender). Whether it's through a trade and FA signing, two trades, one trade, a trade + buyout signing, I hope they can do both.

[szkorhetz]

It won't be for the 15th roster spot in reality. Someone already on the roster (including Manu) will get pushed down. With Manu severely limited in ability at this point, they really don't have a lot of offense. Relying only TP/Tim to create is very, very difficult. Spurs have shooters, but that is different. They have good ball movement, but that is different. They don't have scorers/play makers outside of TP/Tim and what most of us believe to be Kawhi.

Heck, if we are being honest, we only have 1 guy on the team that can handle the ball effectively in a playoff type setting with regards to running an offense through that player.
Our ball movement is non existent TBH.

[Chinook]

But my best case hope is they can do a trade that brings in both (a legit 3rd scoring option & wing defender). Whether it's through a trade and FA signing, two trades, one trade, a trade + buyout signing, I hope they can do both.

The team couldn't expect to get a scorer much better than Beli at this point. There aren't many targets out there who are effective, experienced playoff scorers. I don't see any trade that will net a player who could crack the top six.

[DPG21920]

I agree. It's a really tough spot.

[bluebellmaniac]

Thanks! Did he forget Malcolm Thomas or is Thomas not a cap hit at all because he was claimed off waivers? I thought he'd count for the time he was with the Spurs.

You are correct. Being claimed off waivers totally wiped out his cap hit.

[DPG21920]

The team couldn't expect to get a scorer much better than Beli at this point. There aren't many targets out there who are effective, experienced playoff scorers. I don't see any trade that will net a player who could crack the top six.

You know what is funny, is that with hindsight, Rudy Gay seems like he may have been an option. Not sure I'd want him obviously, but kind of funny.

[Chinook]

You know what is funny, is that with hindsight, Rudy Gay seems like he may have been an option. Not sure I'd want him obviously, but kind of funny.

I don't see how that would have worked financially. I think DeRozan was much more possible last season.

[Big P]

I don't normally get caught up in these threads, but it looks like Dion Waiters has worn out his welcome in Cleveland. I'm sure 29 other teams could come up with a better offer, but this is a matter of buying low...I would give up Joseph, DeColo, Bonner, picks or Euro stashes to get this kid...he's signed for another 3 years ....$4 mil next year, then $5 mil team option..then $6.7 mil qualifying offer...Cleveland is looking to clear as much cap room as possible...slight chance we make good trading partners....wishful thinking.

[ABC]

You are correct. Being claimed off waivers totally wiped out his cap hit.

:tu Shouldn't make much of a difference this year for the Spurs, but it's nice to learn something.

[palangi]

I don't normally get caught up in these threads, but it looks like Dion Waiters has worn out his welcome in Cleveland. I'm sure 29 other teams could come up with a better offer, but this is a matter of buying low...I would give up Joseph, DeColo, Bonner, picks or Euro stashes to get this kid...he's signed for another 3 years ....$4 mil next year, then $5 mil team option..then $6.7 mil qualifying offer...Cleveland is looking to clear as much cap room as possible...slight chance we make good trading partners....wishful thinking.
waiters is a 6'2.5" shooting guard. more length would be nice.

[Big P]

We all want a 6' 8 - 6'10 scoring SF...for whatever reason, the FO has not been able to pull it off...we need scoring, youth and athleticism....he provides it..and the reality is Cleveland is about to have a fire sale, maybe Sergey Karasev is available as well...at 6'7 he's more of the SF we all want.

[palangi]

a couple Dleaguers that we might want to look at. especially since we are to giving 10 day contracts right now. And none have NBA team affiliations. I also wouldn't mind trading decolo and joseph and bringing up myck kabongo to be the 3rd PG. he is an extremely athletic young PG. and could develop his show with chip.

devin ebanks 6'9" SF
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Devin-Ebanks-1112/

daniel orton 6'10" PF
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Daniel-Orton-5272/

Fab Melo 7'0" C
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Fab-Melo-5715/

Shawne Williams 6'9" SF
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Shawne-Williams-296/

[palangi]

We all want a 6' 8 - 6'10 scoring SF...for whatever reason, the FO has not been able to pull it off...we need scoring, youth and athleticism....he provides it..and the reality is Cleveland is about to have a fire sale, maybe Sergey Karasev is available as well...at 6'7 he's more of the SF we all want.
a trade of corey joseph to toronto for austin daye makes a lot of sense for both teams. daye doesn't play much and has 2 guys ahead of him in toronto. Joseph is from canada and could be a home country boy as a back up PG. daye brings his 6'10" inch frame to the SF spot. as a backup to kawhi that can shoot and score.

[RD2191]

Waiters is a cancer, Pop would break this kid in 1 day.

[Andthentherewas21]

Waiters wouldn't help the Spurs, but could be a decent piece for a 3-team trade assuming CLE was willing to get expiring contracts and picks in return.

[exstatic]

a couple Dleaguers that we might want to look at. especially since we are to giving 10 day contracts right now. And none have NBA team affiliations. I also wouldn't mind trading decolo and joseph and bringing up myck kabongo to be the 3rd PG. he is an extremely athletic young PG. and could develop his show with chip.


devin ebanks 6'9" SF
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Devin-Ebanks-1112/
the only decent one on this list


daniel orton 6'10" PF
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Daniel-Orton-5272/
Not an NBA player.


Fab Melo 7'0" C
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Fab-Melo-5715/
scrub and no BBIQ at all.


Shawne Williams 6'9" SF
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Shawne-Williams-296/
didn't he threaten to kill Bonner during a game when he was in Indy?

[cd021]

Waiters is a cancer, Pop would break this kid in 1 day.

More a bad situation for a young kid. His gripe was apparently about the double standard between him and Irving. Irving got a pass on defense but Waiters got chewed out.

He probably wouldn't help at all this season, but is only a couple of years off of being a high lottery pick. Maybe he could pan out for us.

[cd021]

Not sure, but if Okafor gets traded he could be brought out. If we made a move that happened to clear out some of the clutter at PF-C , he would be a good backup

[palangi]

the only decent one on this list


Not an NBA player.


scrub and no BBIQ at all.


didn't he threaten to kill Bonner during a game when he was in Indy?
You must think I am talking about these guys as coming in and being starters. I am saying 10 day contracts to see what they can offer us. And I love your no BBIQ comment, that is the stupidest thing ever. the kid has a lot of potential to be a rebounder and defensive force. and that is what we need out a bench big. He's played 1 year and you have come to that conclusion already. brilliant! same with orton. brilliant!

[cd021]

http://fansided.com/2014/01/31/nba-trade-rumors-boston-celtics-emeka-okafor-trade/#!ue4WD

Celtics may be interested in moving any of the following to Phoenix:

"According To Chuck Myron, the Celtics could entertain a trade that sends Okafor and picks to Boston in exchange for any number of their veterans that include Avery Bradley or Jeff Green. Myron also points out a scenario where the Suns could acquire Brandon Bass and Keith Bogans in exchange for Okafor and draft picks, thus coming out of things with a pair of players they don’t have to commit to beyond this season but could very much use in the postseason."


The Lakers are also rumored to be willing to deal Pau Gasol for Okafor.

As ESPN pointed out the deal is similar to the rumored Gasol for Bynum deal but won't save the Lakers as much cash. The Lakers also wanted more assets but the Cavs didn't budge. Phoenix has up to 3 1st rounders this year.

[Chinook]

Green would be a horrible get foe them. Then again, so would Bradley. They'd be best served with a legitimate wing like Afflalo.

[Hoops Czar]

If only the Spurs could get their hands on Avery Bradley.

[DapDaGenius]

What do you guys think about Tristan Thompson?

[99 Problems]

It would just be Laker luck to get their hands on some random mid 1st round pick who is the next mid round Paul George.

[99 Problems]

What do you guys think about Tristan Thompson?


Tristans a nice player in the making. Nice rebounding qualities. CJ Miles is showing a bit. Zeller is pleasing the faithful over there. Waiters can play no doubt about it.

[DapDaGenius]

Tristans a nice player in the making. Nice rebounding qualities. CJ Miles is showing a bit. Zeller is pleasing the faithful over there. Waiters can play no doubt about it.

Do you think Tristan is the type of player that the Spurs would go after in a trade? There are multiple trades that work, but I'm not sure either side would want the specific players. I'm especially not sure if the Cavs would even want to take some of our players, that would most likely be involved in any trade that we would have(Bonner, Green, Ayres, De Colo, Joseph, Baynes).

[bluebellmaniac]

We need a countdown to the trade deadline on Feb 20th, 2pm CT.

17 days and counting...

[look_at_g_shred]

Jason Thompson! Love this dude's game. Just a dream though. Sorry Spurs Fans but the team we have is the one we are rolling with. No one is getting traded. They are just waiting for Kawhi and Green to comeback so they can release Brown.

[aal04]

Bah we always, always chase low risk low reward options.

I think we need to chase a medium risk, high reward player.

No more D-League possibly NBA capable players please.

[Chomag]

The FO is not going to know what to do when the big 3 start retiring. They may actually have to do their Job! I know crazy thought...

[BatManu20]

Matt Bonner for Anthony Davis

[SpurPadre]

Jason Thompson! Love this dude's game. Just a dream though. Sorry Spurs Fans but the team we have is the one we are rolling with. No one is getting traded. They are just waiting for Kawhi and Green to comeback so they can release Brown.

Yup, we're not going to get anyone via trade. For the FO, it's all about getting our players healthy and carrying wastes of space like Ayres, Bonner, Joseph and De Culo to another title opportunity. That plan came close to working last year, hope it finally works this year. Who knows, maybe Brown sticks as the backup 2 with Marco and Manu playing more at the 3? Or maybe he gets dropped and we bring up Josh Howard?

[jkid12456]

PATTY!

[Dverde]

Jason Richardson is about to come back from injury. Good option for the Spurs to improve the bench. Good 3 pt shooter who has hit big shots in the past. He is 6'6 and could back up Leonard, too.

[ElNono]

Who wanted Derrick Williams?

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/assets/3954825/derrickNOOO.gif

:lol

[RD2191]

:lmao:lmao

[Chinook]

Who wanted Derrick Williams?

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/assets/3954825/derrickNOOO.gif

:lol

I'd still take him, although that would get him benched (rightfully) by Pop. Duncan blew wide-open dunk tonight as well.

[ElNono]

I'd still take him, although that would get him benched (rightfully) by Pop. Duncan blew wide-open dunk tonight as well.

that was when sacto was up 30 already and with 2 mins to go... Pop wouldn't just bench him, he would probably cut him first thing in the morning...

[Spursfanfromafar]

One more guy the Spurs could look for is, CJ Miles of the Cavaliers. Has shown decent metrics and is an expiring contract as well. The Cavs are a mess and there is no idea which direction they might seek to go - tank & pick again from a better lottery or try to salvage something from a flawed roster through trades and try reaching the postseason in the putrid East.

[Baam]

430719283925372929

[Mugen]

Aminu is the only Pelican worth trading for tbh.

[look_at_g_shred]

Ayres/De Colo for Aminu tbh...

[cd021]

Who wanted Derrick Williams?

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/assets/3954825/derrickNOOO.gif

:lol

Fail, Epic.:lmao

[ace3g]

Looks like they completed the buyout

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[cd021]

Ayres/De Colo for Aminu tbh...

Bonner
2nd rounder (2014)
Futue 2nd rounder (protected)

for

Aminu

Then again Smith and Anderson are out for quite a while. Baynes could be included because he's cheap and not under contract next season.

Parker-Mills/Joseph
Green/Marco
Leonard/Manu
Aminu/Diaw
Duncan/Splitter

I think Aminu could end up in the starting lineup. Would allow Diaw and Splitter to come off the bench and help cover Mills and Beli defensive shortcomings. Aminu could potientially be able to cover the stretch 4's in the west (Ibaka, L.A., Dirk)

[look_at_g_shred]

Bonner
2nd rounder (2014)
Futue 2nd rounder (protected)

for

Aminu

Then again Smith and Anderson are out for quite a while. Baynes could be included because he's cheap and not under contract next season.

Parker-Mills/Joseph
Green/Marco
Leonard/Manu
Aminu/Diaw
Duncan/Splitter

I think Aminu could end up in the starting lineup. Would allow Diaw and Splitter to come off the bench and help cover Mills and Beli defensive shortcomings. Aminu could potientially be able to cover the stretch 4's in the west (Ibaka, L.A., Dirk)
That would be cool.

[cd021]

430719283925372929

I figured. They need to decide right now rather they want to tank.They're pick is owned by Phili, unless they wind up with one of the top 5 picks in the draft.

[cd021]

I wonder if the Bulls would consider moving Boozer for a player like Eric Gordon.

He has plenty of talent and maybe better than anyone they can (realistically) get on the open market

injury prone but has been healthy this season in 42 game : 43%FG/ 39.3% 3PT 15.8 PPG

He is owed $30 million over the next 2 seasons but they don't have to pay Boozer next season (whether they were to amnesty him or not).

Boozer
Dunleavy Jr.

For
Eric Gordon
Al Aminu

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pl8p (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pl8p65z)

Bulls would save $3 million next season from moving Dunleavy Jr. They would have a core of Rose, Gordon,Buttler, Gibson & Noah .

They would $58 million in cap next season. They could also have 3 first round picks (depending on whether Charlotte & Cleveland's pick are in the top 10)

New Orleans gets out of Gordons deal a year early (they would save $15.5 million). Boozer's expiring contract could be enticing at next years trade deadline.

[Dverde]

I wonder if the Bulls would consider moving Boozer for a player like Eric Gordon.

He has plenty of talent and maybe better than anyone they can (realistically) get on the open market

injury prone but has been healthy this season in 42 game : 43%FG/ 39.3% 3PT 15.8 PPG

He is owed $30 million over the next 2 seasons but they don't have to pay Boozer next season (whether they were to amnesty him or not).

Boozer
Dunleavy Jr.

For
Eric Gordon
Al Aminu

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pl8p (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pl8p65z)

Bulls would save $3 million next season from moving Dunleavy Jr. They would have a core of Rose, Gordon,Buttler, Gibson & Noah .

They would $58 million in cap next season. They could also have 3 first round picks (depending on whether Charlotte & Cleveland's pick are in the top 10)

New Orleans gets out of Gordons deal a year early (they would save $15.5 million). Boozer's expiring contract could be enticing at next years trade deadline.

I don't think CHI would do this. They could amnesty Boozer. Trade Dunleavy for a low draft pick. Not be stuck with sourpuss Eric Gordon.

[cd021]

I don't think CHI would do this. They could amnesty Boozer. Trade Dunleavy for a low draft pick. Not be stuck with sourpuss Eric Gordon.

He has potential to be very good. He just needs to stay healthy (I understand him heading to the Bulls puts that into doubt, everyone on that team gets injured for some reason)

After Melo, there isn't really a viable option as a co superstar player that they could land.

Miami's big 3, Dirk, Monroe (RFA), Duncan, Stephenson, Gasol (Pau) Randolph, Bledsoe (RFA) these are the best available in the off season. Most of these guys are in their 30's or highly unlikely to leave because their team can match.

Cutting Boozer and moving Dunleavy would put them around $45 million with room (roughly to add a max free agent). Or they could acquire Gordon and use free agency to draft and sign good role players instead of swinging for the fences.

[Big P]

Bonner
2nd rounder (2014)
Futue 2nd rounder (protected)

for

Aminu

Then again Smith and Anderson are out for quite a while. Baynes could be included because he's cheap and not under contract next season.

Parker-Mills/Joseph
Green/Marco
Leonard/Manu
Aminu/Diaw
Duncan/Splitter

I think Aminu could end up in the starting lineup. Would allow Diaw and Splitter to come off the bench and help cover Mills and Beli defensive shortcomings. Aminu could potientially be able to cover the stretch 4's in the west (Ibaka, L.A., Dirk)

Pretty sure NO is not going to gift us Aminu....I'm also pretty sure they could get a lot better deal for him besides bonner and 2 second rounders...as much as I would love to get rid of bonner and replace him with Aminu...NO would laugh and hang up the phone.

[Dverde]

I do think SAS are going to do a trade of some sorts. I would expect something minor, because they don't have the assets to do anything big. Dunleavy or Jason Richardson veteran type player to back up SF. I would imagine Green, Bonner, Baynes, CoJo, De Colo are what they are trying to sell. I think this is the final year for Timmy and the front office knows it.

[cd021]

Pretty sure NO is not going to gift us Aminu....I'm also pretty sure they could get a lot better deal for him besides bonner and 2 second rounders...as much as I would love to get rid of bonner and replace him with Aminu...NO would laugh and hang up the phone.

Its a realistic trade, i believe, N.O wouldn't take on any salary past this season. Smith is out for the season & Anderson is out for about 2 months. Bonner is a PF and 3pt shooter. He would essentially replace Anderson until he is healthy. They only have one other PF on roster (Davis) with Stiemsma, Withey, & Ajinca at center.


He is on a 1 year deal worth $3.7 million. If they decide to take a dive on the season, moving a starter for a fringe rotation player is the way to go. Getting 2 second rounders would be better than nothing considering Aminu is a free agent after this season. They're not getting a 1st rounder for him anyways.

[Chinook]

I do think SAS are going to do a trade of some sorts. I would expect something minor, because they don't have the assets to do anything big. Dunleavy or Jason Richardson veteran type player to back up SF. I would imagine Green, Bonner, Baynes, CoJo, De Colo are what they are trying to sell. I think this is the final year for Timmy and the front office knows it.

The Spurs aren't trading Green. Dunno why you lump him in with the Toros Crew.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Trade rumble: Clippers "itchy" to make a deal and Jared Dudley, with PT harder to come by and logjam at wing spots, is unexpectedly in play

[Spursfanfromafar]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Trade rumble: Clippers "itchy" to make a deal and Jared Dudley, with PT harder to come by and logjam at wing spots, is unexpectedly in play



Interesting. High IQ player with low athleticism and marginal production and average efficiency. Could fit the Spurs' look in for a backup SF. Trouble is his contract ($4.25 million) extends till 2016 (last year an ETO).

[Chinook]

Amazing how far his stock has dropped over the course of a year. But he's someone Cleveland should target. Afflalo would be better, of course, but Dudley could be a long-term answer at the wing. Jack for Dudley and Collison should work salary-wise.

[Robz4000]

I'd take Dudley on the Spurs in a heartbeat. Problem is I don't think he's worth a first rounder and I doubt they'd take Bonner/Baynes and De Colo.

[Chinook]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mtwfurh

Cavs get Dudley, Afflalo and Collision. Clippers get Jack. Magic get Bennett and Waiters.

Cavs get two vet wings on long-term value deals who can bring production and a steady had to their team. They also cut some dead weight and are in great shape to poor their remaining resources into acquiring a star big in the off-season.

Clippers get Paul's BFF and clear the wing rotation.

Magic get two former top-five picks for a player they probably don't want to keep anyway. They probably won't see a better haul. The can also tank more effectively.

[Baam]

Good scenario but I think the return is a bit too low for Afflalo...

[exstatic]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mtwfurh

Cavs get Dudley, Afflalo and Collision. Clippers get Jack. Magic get Bennett and Waiters.

Cavs get two vet wings on long-term value deals who can bring production and a steady had to their team. They also cut some dead weight and are in great shape to poor their remaining resources into acquiring a star big in the off-season.

Clippers get Paul's BFF and clear the wing rotation.

Magic get two former top-five picks for a player they probably don't want to keep anyway. They probably won't see a better haul. The can also tank more effectively.

Question: why are we discussing trades in the Spurs forum that DON'T INCLUDE THE SPURS?

[Chinook]

Question: why are we discussing trades in the Spurs forum that DON'T INCLUDE THE SPURS?

Why not?

[Spursfanfromafar]

Ersan Ilyasova wants out of Milwaukee -

http://www.bucksketball.com/2014/02/does-ersan-ilyasova-want-out-of-milwaukee/

Contract of $8 million/year odd till 2016-17 but last year is guaranteed only for $400,000. Could be a better stretch 4 than Bonner and has a history of being a good rebounder. Has struggled this season in a dismal Bucks squad, but he could be a better backup 4 than Ayres, certainly. Also another body to throw at Lebron, if needed.

[Baam]

I'm not sure you put Ilyasova on Lebron tbh, his value is mostly on offense anyways.

I'd like him on the team, with this international group he could get acclimated pretty quickly.

If they decide to start Boris trading for him makes even more sense... You'd have Boris who is a bad rebounder between Tim and Kawhi which is great balance and Ilyasova who is a great rebounder with the small second unit (with Manu at SF) which could be excellent balance as well. He doesn't help the defense one bit outside of that tho which is what makes me a bit hesitant.

[r0drig0lac]

I'm not sure you put Ilyasova on Lebron tbh, his value is mostly on offense anyways.

I'd like him on the team, with this international group he could get acclimated pretty quickly.

If they decide to start Boris trading for him makes even more sense... You'd have Boris who is a bad rebounder between Tim and Kawhi which is great balance and Ilyasova who is a great rebounder with the small second unit (with Manu at SF) which could be excellent balance as well. He doesn't help the defense one bit outside of that tho which is what makes me a bit hesitant.any trade that is leaving diaw worth even be spoken

[Chinook]

We've talked about Ilyasova for years. He'd be a great fit next to Duncan or Splitter. He'd also be a good piece for the post-Duncan era.

[cd021]

We've talked about Ilyasova for years. He'd be a great fit next to Duncan or Splitter. He'd also be a good piece for the post-Duncan era.

I've never watched him, how is he defensively?

[Chinook]

I've never watched him, how is he defensively?

I don't think he was that good. He had Mbah a Moute to protect him until this season. He's obviously physical enough to be a good rebounder, and he's agile enough to play the three. So physically, he should be able to be a serviceable defender with the Medium Three and Duncan to protect him.

[cd021]

"Now, 49 games into the year, the team is 12th in the East, and it's become clear that the Celtics are going to be sellers at the deadline.

According to ESPN's Chris Broussard (subscription required), "[Danny] Ainge is looking to clear as much cap room as soon as he can, so if he can find takers for Gerald Wallace, Jeff Green and Avery Bradley, they're gone."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1946633-potential-2014-nba-trade-dealine-steals/page/2 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1946633-potential-2014-nba-trade-dealine-steals/page/2Gerald)

Trade

Matt Bonner
Jeff Ayers
Nando De Colo

For
Gerald Wallace
Avery Bradley

(they would have to use the Paul Pierce trade exception to make the deal work, trade machine wouldn't let me use it for some reason)

Spurs get Wallace as backup SF. Obviously not on a great deal but an experienced small forward has been known for his defensive and rebounding in the past. Bradley gives us a defensive pest that can help guard the likes of Lillard, Curry, Westbrook.

The deal would push the Spurs close to the luxury tax next season, however. But they could always shed some salary by moving Beli and or Joseph.

Boston saves about $22 million dollars (even including Ayers contract next season) or the next two seasons. Would drop their cap to $34.7 million (roughly next season) with the salary cap set at $60.5 million.

[td4mvp2k]

if its not an expiring SF then no at dat $

[Chinook]

"Now, 49 games into the year, the team is 12th in the East, and it's become clear that the Celtics are going to be sellers at the deadline.

According to ESPN's Chris Broussard (subscription required), "[Danny] Ainge is looking to clear as much cap room as soon as he can, so if he can find takers for Gerald Wallace, Jeff Green and Avery Bradley, they're gone."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1946633-potential-2014-nba-trade-dealine-steals/page/2 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1946633-potential-2014-nba-trade-dealine-steals/page/2Gerald)

Trade

Matt Bonner
Jeff Ayers
Nando De Colo

For
Gerald Wallace
Avery Bradley

(they would have to use the Paul Pierce trade exception to make the deal work, trade machine wouldn't let me use it for some reason)

Spurs get Wallace as backup SF. Obviously not on a great deal but an experienced small forward has been known for his defensive and rebounding in the past. Bradley gives us a defensive pest that can help guard the likes of Lillard, Curry, Westbrook.

The deal would push the Spurs close to the luxury tax next season, however. But they could always shed some salary by moving Beli and or Joseph.

Boston saves about $22 million dollars (even including Ayers contract next season) or the next two seasons. Would drop their cap to $34.7 million (roughly next season) with the salary cap set at $60.5 million.

It doesn't work because salaries don't match. Those three players can let the Spurs take back about $10.8 Million. Boston is sending out $12 Million+.

[cd021]

It doesn't work because salaries don't match. Those three players can let the Spurs take back about $10.8 Million. Boston is sending out $12 Million+.

I understand that part, but could either trade exception (Pierce's or Lee's) be used to bridge the gap?

[Chinook]

I understand that part, but could either trade exception (Pierce's or Lee's) be used to bridge the gap?

Nope. The TE would allow Boston to take more salary, not send more out. The Spurs would need at TE to make the deal work.

[ace3g]

Well time to see what Nando, CJ can do to their trade value if Parker misses any games.

[PingPong]

All the spurs need is get rid of De Culo Corey, Bonner, Errors

[HarlemHeat37]

Hopefully Nando's nice stint tonight helped his trade value:lol..

[cd021]

Nope. The TE would allow Boston to take more salary, not send more out. The Spurs would need at TE to make the deal work.

I understand now. So there is actually no way to make that deal work then without giving up the essiential players.

[SpurPadre]

Hopefully Nando's nice stint tonight helped his trade value:lol..
He'll get more exposure tomorrow on national tv too. At least I hope he gets 10 points so Barkley or Shaq can accidentally get his last name wrong and say ''culo' on air.

[Chinook]

I understand now. So there is actually no way to make that deal work then without giving up the essiential players.

That or adding two of Baynes, Mills and Joseph.

[Mugen]

One more guy the Spurs could look for is, CJ Miles of the Cavaliers. Has shown decent metrics and is an expiring contract as well. The Cavs are a mess and there is no idea which direction they might seek to go - tank & pick again from a better lottery or try to salvage something from a flawed roster through trades and try reaching the postseason in the putrid East.

The Spurs could do worse than Miles. Decent size, athleticism and D and he's shooting the 3 well this year. Shouldn't take too much to get him either tbh.

[Spursfanfromafar]

The Spurs could do worse than Miles. Decent size, athleticism and D and he's shooting the 3 well this year. Shouldn't take too much to get him either tbh.

Indeed. Only problem is that he is more of a 2.5 rather than a 3.5 which is the Spurs' immediate need.

[Mugen]

Indeed. Only problem is that he is more of a 2.5 rather than a 3.5 which is the Spurs' immediate need.

Would have agreed with that sentiment earlier this season but reviewing the current roster of the other contenters, i'm of the opinion that Spurs need a 3 that can defend 2s more than a 3 that can defend 4s tbh.

[FireMicoHalili]

FO has probably deemed the team doesn't need an extra wing because Diaw can play the 3. My hunch every year as to why they keep the extra roster spot open is to sign buyout candidates for the vet min. I don't see any viable buyout candidates this year. They'll probably avert from making trades and keep signing 10 day contracts. Sad, but I think the premium on team chemistry will always take precedence over acquiring more talented players.

[look_at_g_shred]

Havent seen this posted yet http://www.projectspurs.com/2014-articles/february/spurs-interested-in-trade-with-bulls.html
Probably speculation more than anything.

[Spurs da champs]

Havent seen this posted yet http://www.projectspurs.com/2014-articles/february/spurs-interested-in-trade-with-bulls.html
Probably speculation more than anything.

Gibson would be awesome!

[Andthentherewas21]

Havent seen this posted yet http://www.projectspurs.com/2014-articles/february/spurs-interested-in-trade-with-bulls.html
Probably speculation more than anything.

Dunleavy might happen, but there is no way the Bulls are giving up Gibson for what the Spurs have to offer. And the Spurs wouldn't touch Boozer's contract with a 10ft pole even if they could get him for spare parts, they aren't going to do it if it requires them to give up someone like Splitter.

Best part of that article " Note: The source has not been vetted. Please take it for what it is worth."

[monkeypunk]

Dunleavy might happen, but there is no way the Bulls are giving up Gibson for what the Spurs have to offer. And the Spurs wouldn't touch Boozer's contract with a 10ft pole even if they could get him for spare parts, they aren't going to do it if it requires them to give up someone like Splitter.

Best part of that article " Note: The source has not been vetted. Please take it for what it is worth."

I don't think that the Bulls give up Gibson or even Dunleavy unless they are getting equal value back which the Spurs don't have to give. Dunleavy is too versatile and Gibson is a huge part of their defensive identity which Thibs values (and rightly so) above all else.

And a big no to Boozer.

[pad300]

I don't think that the Bulls give up Gibson or even Dunleavy unless they are getting equal value back which the Spurs don't have to give. Dunleavy is too versatile and Gibson is a huge part of their defensive identity which Thibs values (and rightly so) above all else.

And a big no to Boozer.

The reason for these trades by the bulls is not to get equal value back, rather it is the opportunity to take a run at a max FA without gutting there core. This is why they will amnesty Boozer rather than trade him (except for expirings). However, looking at their cap situation:

Player 2014/2015
Derrick Rose $18,862,876
Carlos Boozer $0
Joakim Noah $12,200,000
Taj Gibson $8,000,000
Mike Dunleavy $3,326,235
Tony Snell $1,472,400
Jimmy Butler $2,008,748
Richard Hamilton $333,334
Cap Holds
Nikola Mirotic $1,075,300

Total Salary $47,278,893


Assuming they Amnesty Boozer, and dump their cap holds (except Mirtic - the only important one is Kirk Hinrich...) They are at $47.3 M total salary (and 8 spots filled - they need to count 3 minimum Salary fillers at ~500K apiece, and 2 first round picks - currently 15 and 17 for $2.8M between them). The NBA projects a 2014/15 Salary Cap of $62.1 M. This would give the Bulls $10.5M in salary cap space. This is not max FA territory. Moving Dunleavy would put them pretty close (for players with 1-6 years ~$14M). Moving Gibson for expirings would make a run at either Carmelo or Lebron practical (with 10+ years in league, the max is ~ $19 M).

To summarize, the Bulls may want to pull moves to make FA space this summer, because until Rose is back on the court, they aren't actually competing for a title. And the pieces they would look to move would be Dunleavy and Gibson, as neither are really core for the Bulls...

[Big P]

Havent seen this posted yet http://www.projectspurs.com/2014-articles/february/spurs-interested-in-trade-with-bulls.html
Probably speculation more than anything.

I stopped reading after he said boozer.

[cd021]

I don't think that the Bulls give up Gibson or even Dunleavy unless they are getting equal value back which the Spurs don't have to give. Dunleavy is too versatile and Gibson is a huge part of their defensive identity which Thibs values (and rightly so) above all else.

And a big no to Boozer.

Dunleavy is a non essential player and is under contract for next season at $3 million. Bonner for Dunleavy works and it saves them $3 million

[cd021]

Chris Grant fired by the Cavs

I'd expect a fire sale maybe they call time on the season and tank (intentionally this time)

I'd assume anyone not named Kyrie could be fair game (maybe they keep Thompson)

Varejao would be a major upgrade to our front line. Makes $9.1 this season, with a team option for $9.8 next season. I'm not sure what they'd want back for him, whether it be expiring contracts or picks.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k2cavyx
Bonner
De Colo
Ayers
1st round pick

For

Varejao
Felix
Dellavedova

(Last two players are trade filler, Cleveland has 15 players currently. Neither of them are under contract next season)

While it would certainly be nice to add a defender on who can guard on the wing, Varajao is a very good defender and rebounder giving us a deep four man rotation at the 4 & 5. Though it would be interesting to see how much burn he gets in the post season with GSW, & OKC tending to go small late.

[elemento]

Knowing that a lot of SA fans like Taj Gibson, here it is:

Interesting article by deeks concerning the Bulls situation about Taj Gibson and the lux tax.

http://www.shamsports.com/2014/02/how-do-you-solve-problem-like-taj-gibson.html#more

[DesignatedT]

What is everyone's reaction to Taj Gibson? Obviously a long shot but jw what people would think of a move involving him coming here.

[Baam]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k2cavyx
Bonner
De Colo
Ayers
1st round pick

For

Varejao
Felix
Dellavedova

(Last two players are trade filler, Cleveland has 15 players currently. Neither of them are under contract next season)

I like it :tu, I think we're missing scoring at the 4 and 5 and that allows OKC to have an easier time shutting down our guards...

Caldwell Pope has been relegated to the bench in the last game, I'd trade for him in an heartbeat, something like :
Bonner + Beli + DeColo for Villanueva + Caldwell Pope
we probably have to give up our first but I'd hate parting with it, maybe send Livio or/and Bertans instead...

I know Villanueva sucks but it's hard to come up with realistic trades that fit our two needs at once and he'd still be an upgrade.

[monkeypunk]

Varejao or Gibson would be fan-freaking-tastic!! But doubt it happens...

[HarlemHeat37]

Gibson's trade value is way too high for the Spurs IMO..he has legit potential to be a very good #2 big on a good team, tbh, which means that some NBA team could easily over-value him and mistake him for a future #1 big..

[Bruno]

I'm skeptical Spurs will do something big at the trade deadline. A trade like De Colo and Baynes for Dunleavy sounds way more likely.

[Seventyniner]

Gibson's trade value is way too high for the Spurs IMO..he has legit potential to be a very good #2 big on a good team, tbh, which means that some NBA team could easily over-value him and mistake him for a future #1 big..

Agreed. The Bulls can do far better than expirings and a really late first-rounder for Gibson. They would definitely listen if you throw in Kawhi, but the Spurs can't afford to lose their only SF. Adding in Dunleavy at least leaves the Spurs with a SF on the roster, but him starting at SF would likely be a defensive disaster against guys like Durant and LeBron. Though a Parker/Green/Dunleavy/Gibson/Duncan starting lineup is quite intriguing, and closing with Manu instead of Dunleavy could be a good counter to smallball lineups from the Thunder, Warriors, or Heat.

[Chinook]

Agreed. The Bulls can do far better than expirings and a really late first-rounder for Gibson. They would definitely listen if you throw in Kawhi, but the Spurs can't afford to lose their only SF. Adding in Dunleavy at least leaves the Spurs with a SF on the roster, but him starting at SF would likely be a defensive disaster against guys like Durant and LeBron. Though a Parker/Green/Dunleavy/Gibson/Duncan starting lineup is quite intriguing, and closing with Manu instead of Dunleavy could be a good counter to smallball lineups from the Thunder, Warriors, or Heat.

Don't talk about trading Whi-whi! :ihit

[cd021]

Gibson's trade value is way too high for the Spurs IMO..he has legit potential to be a very good #2 big on a good team, tbh, which means that some NBA team could easily over-value him and mistake him for a future #1 big..

I found it odd that he was even mentioned to be available. They have a legit starting PF on a relatively cheap deal can score and defend as well. They can just cut Boozer and go with Noah and Gibson.

[Seventyniner]

Don't talk about trading Whi-whi! :ihit

I had thought about a deal of Deng/Gibson/Dunleavy (maybe) for Splitter/Kawhi/spare parts. If the Bulls still had Deng, that would save them a boatload of future money, and I'd challenge any team in the league to consistently score on a Parker/Green/Deng/Gibson/Duncan lineup.

[cd021]

"The Sixers, sources say, continue to hold out hope that they can acquire a future first-round pick for either forward Evan Turner or center Spencer Hawes before the Feb. 20 trade deadline. Both players become free agents in July"-Marc Stein

[DapDaGenius]

"The Sixers, sources say, continue to hold out hope that they can acquire a future first-round pick for either forward Evan Turner or center Spencer Hawes before the Feb. 20 trade deadline. Both players become free agents in July"-Marc Stein

Who would you rather have out of those 2?

[pad300]

Knowing that a lot of SA fans like Taj Gibson, here it is:

Interesting article by deeks concerning the Bulls situation about Taj Gibson and the lux tax.

http://www.shamsports.com/2014/02/how-do-you-solve-problem-like-taj-gibson.html#more

Crazy proposal that might just work due to cap issues and free agency

SAS out Bonner, Ayres, De Colo, SAS First 2016 - top 8 protected

CHI out Gibson, Dunleavy

[tholdren]

turnr

[RD2191]

What about Granger?

[Big P]

"The Sixers, sources say, continue to hold out hope that they can acquire a future first-round pick for either forward Evan Turner or center Spencer Hawes before the Feb. 20 trade deadline. Both players become free agents in July"-Marc Stein

Why would we give up a 1st round pick for a half a season rental?

[SpurPadre]

Why would we give up a 1st round pick for a half a season rental?
Because if that ''half a season rental'' helps win us that fifth title, then who cares about the 30th pick in a draft people are already starting to say is decent but overrated? And what's to stop the acquired player from sticking with the team next season, when we'll have some money freed up? The point is moot anyways because the FO won't budge by the deadline.

[tholdren]

What about Granger?
for?

[RD2191]

for?

Shit idk, just throwing shit out there.

[heyheymymy]

Crazy proposal that might just work due to cap issues and free agency

SAS out Bonner, Ayres, De Colo, SAS First 2016 - top 8 protected

CHI out Gibson, Dunleavy

nice if we could swing that. thet dumped deng for peanuts so why not.

[cd021]

Who would you rather have out of those 2?

Neither. Turner is a high volume shooter, most of his teams have been better off when he isn't on the floor.

Hawes is too slow to be a very good defender but can shoot a bit. Phili has been a rumored trade partner for a while.

[cd021]

What about Granger?

Massive Contract. Have to move Splitter to help get in trade range.

Granger
For
Splitter
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mdry58w

or

Granger

for

Diaw
Bonner
De Colo
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pfzxs5h

those would be the two easiest ways but it wouldn't be worth it. Maybe if a third team were added but it seems to be too much work for a player who is still working his way back after a season worth of injuries.

[HarlemHeat37]

Granger has been one of the worst rotation players in the league this season, tbh..

[cd021]

Granger has been one of the worst rotation players in the league this season, tbh..

Yeah. I think people are remembering back to his 25 a game run 7 or so seasons ago. He missed basically all of last season and a chunk of this season. There is plenty of rust and not alot of minutes to go around with Lan and Paul playing his positions. They'd be better keeping him and hope he can become useful in the post season.

[SAmagic]

Jeremy Evans be a decent back up SF. Pretty athletic could also get Gobert in the the deal.

[cd021]

Why would we give up a 1st round pick for a half a season rental?

Turner is a RFA, if i'm not mistaken. Hawes is an UFA. Neither move the meter in terms of making the Spurs better so I wouldn't. I just posted the qoute because Phili has been rumored to be a seller come deadline.

[cd021]

Jeremy Evans be a decent back up SF. Pretty athletic could also get Gobert in the the deal.

Both are projects. Neither can contribute now. Golbert is a walking ladder though.

I'd like this one

Washington Gets
Bonner
Ayres
De Colo

Spurs Get
Rice Jr.
Vessley
Webster

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lbm9lk4 (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lbm9lk4)

Vessley -A long, athletic big man (7'0) who can run the floor. He is free agent after this season. The Spurs could use the remaining couple of months prior to the playoffs to try him out. He has potential to be a nice rotation player down the road and could be had on the cheap now, given he is only playing 15 mpg.

Rice Jr-Freakish athlete (40 inch max vert), 6'5 with a 6'9 wingspan. Spent last season in the D-league instead of college. Averaged 14.5 ppg on 49%. According to DX he is an efficient offensive player and primarily plays SF. Could be a nice prospect for the future as well.

Webster- A lengthy SF. (6'6, 6'11 wing span) lethal 3pt shoot (40% on 5 3PA). One of the best 3pt shooters last season. Could be a passable backup to Kawhi.

A little dated (back from '08 when he was drafted) but from DX...

"Shows some signs on the defensive end, but not consistently. Not a bad one-on-one defender, but lacks the lateral quickness to consistently defend more athletic players. Will get beat off the dribble from time to time. Reaches a little bit too frequently. Doesn’t come up with many steals or blocks regardless. Has the size to contest shots and does a decent job getting a hand up when his man pulls up.

Lacks some experience and savvy on this end. Will try and close out shooters and block their shots, leaving himself out of position for long rebounds. Cleans the glass at a solid rate for a wing. Makes a nice effort defensively, but still needs to develop better anticipation and fundamentals."


Washington has shortened the rotation. Vessley and Rice Jr. are already out of it. Moving Webster would save them $11 million over the next two seasons. Even including Ayers $1.8 million in 14-15, they'd save $3.5 million and open up playing time for top pick Otto Porter next year.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Sam Amick again -

"Philadelphia 76ers (15-35)And in the final episode of Fear Factor, we have the case of Evan Turner (another Falk client). The fourth-year swingman is having a very productive season, averaging 17.8 points, 6.0 rebounds and 3.8 assists per game. But the price for that production in his forthcoming restricted free agency (if he's extended the qualifying offer) is likely too rich for the 76ers' blood, meaning they'd rather net a first-round draft pick in return for him and continue their rebuilding efforts with a more salary-cap friendly situation. One rival executive mentioned the San Antonio Spurs and Charlotte Bobcats as possible destinations via trade, though both teams could also wait until the offseason to see if they could simply sign him then. Sixers center Spencer Hawes and Young are also frequently mentioned as trade possibilities."

Link: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2014/02/07/a-to-z-trade-talks-selling-carmelo-anthony-kyrie-irving-rajon-rondo/5295879/

[Chinook]

Both are projects. Neither can contribute now. Golbert is a walking ladder though.

I'd like this one

Washington Gets
Bonner
Ayres
De Colo

Spurs Get
Rice Jr.
Vessley
Webster

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lbm9lk4 (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lbm9lk4)

Vessley -A long, athletic big man (7'0) who can run the floor. He is free agent after this season. The Spurs could use the remaining couple of months prior to the playoffs to try him out. He has potential to be a nice rotation player down the road and could be had on the cheap now, given he is only playing 15 mpg.

Rice Jr-Freakish athlete (40 inch max vert), 6'5 with a 6'9 wingspan. Spent last season in the D-league instead of college. Averaged 14.5 ppg on 49%. According to DX he is an efficient offensive player and primarily plays SF. Could be a nice prospect for the future as well.

Webster- A lengthy SF. (6'6, 6'11 wing span) lethal 3pt shoot (40% on 5 3PA). One of the best 3pt shooters last season. Could be a passable backup to Kawhi.

A little dated (back from '08 when he was drafted) but from DX...

"Shows some signs on the defensive end, but not consistently. Not a bad one-on-one defender, but lacks the lateral quickness to consistently defend more athletic players. Will get beat off the dribble from time to time. Reaches a little bit too frequently. Doesn’t come up with many steals or blocks regardless. Has the size to contest shots and does a decent job getting a hand up when his man pulls up.

Lacks some experience and savvy on this end. Will try and close out shooters and block their shots, leaving himself out of position for long rebounds. Cleans the glass at a solid rate for a wing. Makes a nice effort defensively, but still needs to develop better anticipation and fundamentals."


Washington has shortened the rotation. Vessley and Rice Jr. are already out of it. Moving Webster would save them $11 million over the next two seasons. Even including Ayers $1.8 million in 14-15, they'd save $3.5 million and open up playing time for top pick Otto Porter next year.

I doubt they move Webster. He's been awesome this season, and he played down the stretch instead of Beal against the Spurs. The Wizards will lose a wing next season, and it depends on if they want to keep Ariza. If they keep him, Porter could be moved. If Trevor walks, Porter slides into the SL and Webster remains sixth man.

[Chinook]

Sam Amick again -

"Philadelphia 76ers (15-35)And in the final episode of Fear Factor, we have the case of Evan Turner (another Falk client). The fourth-year swingman is having a very productive season, averaging 17.8 points, 6.0 rebounds and 3.8 assists per game. But the price for that production in his forthcoming restricted free agency (if he's extended the qualifying offer) is likely too rich for the 76ers' blood, meaning they'd rather net a first-round draft pick in return for him and continue their rebuilding efforts with a more salary-cap friendly situation. One rival executive mentioned the San Antonio Spurs and Charlotte Bobcats as possible destinations via trade, though both teams could also wait until the offseason to see if they could simply sign him then. Sixers center Spencer Hawes and Young are also frequently mentioned as trade possibilities."

Link: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2014/02/07/a-to-z-trade-talks-selling-carmelo-anthony-kyrie-irving-rajon-rondo/5295879/

If Ginobili were going to miss the season, I could kind of see it. But unless Beli is moved, there's no room for a wing making that much money. He'd be a poor fit for Charlotte since they have no spacing, but it's never a bad deal to acquire a fine young player for cheap.

And there's no way the Spurs sign him in free agency unless his stock plummets. Utah might.

[Spursfanfromafar]

If Ginobili were going to miss the season, I could kind of see it. But unless Beli is moved, there's no room for a wing making that much money. He'd be a poor fit for Charlotte since they have no spacing, but it's never a bad deal to acquire a fine young player for cheap.

And there's no way the Spurs sign him in free agency unless his stock plummets. Utah might.

I agree.

Turner is a tweener who doesn't shoot the 3, favours the mid range jump shot, isn't someone who plays well without the ball and needs to be the primary orchestrator. Unless, Manu retires, there is no scenario where the Spurs would prefer to have him this season or the next.

That also said, he is a restricted free agent at the end of this season and carries a large cap hold till he is extended a qualifying offer. Besides, I am not sure how the Sixers would like a package of a late first round pick (most likely 2015 and not 2014) and Spurs' expirings now. Charlotte with its surfeit of First Round picks this and next year are more likely to be a better trade partner and even though he won't necessarily be useful as a wing spacing-wise, his infusion will lift their abysmal talent levels.

[Chinook]

What about Ben Gordon as a buyout candidate? I don't want a PG anymore than anyone else, but he's a proven scorer who can puy up needed points in the right situation. Stuckey and Freddette are candidates as well. Jimmer has the added benefit of being an RFA next season if he's bought out and signs with a new club this season.

[Spursfanfromafar]

What about Ben Gordon as a buyout candidate? I don't want a PG anymore than anyone else, but he's a proven scorer who can puy up needed points in the right situation. Stuckey and Freddette are candidates as well. Jimmer has the added benefit of being an RFA next season if he's bought out and signs with a new club this season.

Redundant... Gordon's corpse is a wasted one, these days with zero offense to go with pathetic defense. Stuckey could be decent, but is redundant for the Spurs and Fredette's defense is worse than Gary Neal's.

[Chinook]

Redundant... Gordon's corpse is a wasted one, these days with zero offense to go with pathetic defense. Stuckey could be decent, but is redundant for the Spurs and Fredette's defense is worse than Gary Neal's.

I can't imagine much better after the deadline with such a weak FA class and the East still being wide open. Maybe they could get luckyw with Jordan Hamilton if he gets bought out or if the Nuggets are interested in De Colo. Jordan would also be an RFA if he were bought out. He has great size and is a decent shooter.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I'm skeptical Spurs will do something big at the trade deadline. A trade like De Colo and Baynes for Dunleavy sounds way more likely.

And this excellent post by Mark Deeks at shamsports suggests why Taj Gibson should continue to excel for the Spurs' sake (in order to land Dunleavy from the skinflint Bulls who are using a stream of 10 day contracts to avoid paying their luxury tax) - http://www.shamsports.com/2014/02/how-do-you-solve-problem-like-taj-gibson.html

[Chinook]

Loved that article. Trading De Colo and Baynes for Dunlevy would allow Chicago to not have to worry about juggling the books, as they would have 13 players under contract. So even if they got crazy bonuses, they'd be fine. Although this implies they don't intend to move Gibson.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Loved that article. Trading De Colo and Baynes for Dunlevy would allow Chicago to not have to worry about juggling the books, as they would have 13 players under contract. So even if they got crazy bonuses, they'd be fine. Although this implies they don't intend to move Gibson.

Yes, no way would they move Gibson who is such a good defender and is a Thibodeau player.

[Baam]

Yes, no way would they move Gibson who is such a good defender and is a Thibodeau player.

I bet they move him, they're not going anywhere without a first option Gibson or not, they need the room for a max contract.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Amnesty Boozer, gamble on Rose getting healthy again and the Bulls could get a top tier FA to add to the Noah-Rose-Gibson-Butler core.

[Chinook]

I bet they move him, they're not going anywhere without a first option Gibson or not, they need the room for a max contract.

They can trade him during the off-season easily. Boston could trade Bogans' dust chip and a couple if picks for him on draft night.

[Baam]

Amnesty Boozer, gamble on Rose getting healthy again and the Bulls could get a top tier FA to add to the Noah-Rose-Gibson-Butler core.

They don't need a top tier FA, they need a first option, the hardest thing to get in bball but gettable if you're a big market with a strong supporting cast.


They can trade him during the off-season easily. Boston could trade Bogans' dust chip and a couple if picks for him on draft night.

Sure.

[Bruno]

Ginobili has missed 6 times games in a little over a year because of issues at his left hamstring.

So:
Should Spurs just cross their fingers and hope these injuries won't happen again during a playoffs run?
or
Should Spurs consider that it is somewhat likely that Ginobili will have a 7th or 8th left hamstring injury and that this injury might happen in the playoffs?

If Spurs pick the second option, going after another perimeter playmaker would be a smart move. Evan Turner, even if his lack of 3 point shot is a big issue, fit that bill especially that his ability to play SF makes him even more interesting.

The level of Spurs' trust in Ginobili's hammy is one of a key factor in their trade deadline.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Ginobili has missed 6 times games in a little over a year because of issues at his left hamstring.

So:
Should Spurs just cross their fingers and hope these injuries won't happen again during a playoffs run?
or
Should Spurs consider that it is somewhat likely that Ginobili will have a 7th or 8th left hamstring injury and that this injury might happen in the playoffs?

If Spurs pick the second option, going after another perimeter playmaker would be a smart move. Evan Turner, even if his lack of 3 point shot is a big issue, fit that bill especially that his ability to play SF makes him even more interesting.

The level of Spurs' trust in Ginobili's hammy is one of a key factor in their trade deadline.

Makes sense if seen that way, yes.

Turner could be a good addition to the second lineup featuring Mills, Belinelli, Diaw & Ayres/Baynes (assuming Bonner is traded for him), if Manu is injured.

If Manu isn't injured, he could take turns with Green, Belinelli to backup Leonard.

[Johnny RIngo]

Best to lower your epectations when it comes to this front office. We went from courting AK in the off-season to siging Ayres as our 4th big. Doubt the front office makes any meaningful moves.

As for Turner - not a fan. Decent rebounder but I'm not a fan of low-efficiency, ball-dominant wings. Seems to be another player putting up points on a bad team.

[yavozerb]

Got from hoopshype:

And in the final episode of Fear Factor, we have the case of Evan Turner (another Falk client). The fourth-year swingman is having a very productive season, averaging 17.8 points, 6.0 rebounds and 3.8 assists per game. But the price for that production in his forthcoming restricted free agency (if he's extended the qualifying offer) is likely too rich for the 76ers' blood, meaning they'd rather net a first-round draft pick in return for him and continue their rebuilding efforts with a more salary-cap friendly situation. One rival executive mentioned the San Antonio Spurs and Charlotte Bobcats as possible destinations via trade, though both teams could also wait until the offseason to see if they could simply sign him then. Sixers center Spencer Hawes and Young are also frequently mentioned as trade possibilities.

[Bruno]

If Manu isn't injured, he could take turns with Green, Belinelli to backup Leonard.

If Spurs add a quality SF and stay healthy, I would expect to see them playing a lot of small ball with Kawhi at PF.

[ABC]

What's Turner going to get in free agency? 3 years, 24 million? Or is he going to get Tyreke Evans money? If the Spurs were willing give up a first round pick for him, you'd think they'd have to be considering resigning him. Would they really pay what he's going to get?

[Chinook]

What's Turner going to get in free agency? 3 years, 24 million? Or is he going to get Tyreke Evans money? If the Spurs were willing give up a first round pick for him, you'd think they'd have to be considering resigning him. Would they really pay what he's going to get?

If they feel he can replace Ginobili as sixth man after next year, anything shy of $10 Million would be all right. But he's not really worth much as a starter, as he can't play with Leonard. I just don't like him, and I wouldn't wamt him for anything more than the MLE.

[ABC]

If they feel he can replace Ginobili as sixth man after next year, anything shy of $10 Million would be all right. But he's not really worth much as a starter, as he can't play with Leonard. I just don't like him, and I wouldn't wamt him for anything more than the MLE.

I agree that without much of a three point shot, Turner isn't ideal. On the other hand, I do think he would improve the team. There aren't a lot of players out there available for what the Spurs have to offer that I could say the same for (assuming he's actually available for expiring contracts and a pick). I can't imagine the Spurs being willing to pay him $10 million this summer. Still, I think this is a year when the Spurs should take a risk.

[td4mvp2k]

Spurs need a thad young more then a turner tbh

[Big P]

Turner is going to get paid by someone...he is already making $6.7 mil...with a qualifying offer of $8.7 mil next year.....even with a minimum raise he's gonna get a bump....I would be shocked if he takes anything less than $10mil to $11mil.

[Dverde]

Yeah, someone will give him 4 years at 10 mil per. Probably the Bucks. They are so stupid with their money.

[Sean Cagney]

Spurs need a thad young more then a turner tbh

Thats true, but unfortunately they will end up with neither one of them or a super poor mans version.

[Chinook]

I agree that without much of a three point shot, Turner isn't ideal. On the other hand, I do think he would improve the team. There aren't a lot of players out there available for what the Spurs have to offer that I could say the same for (assuming he's actually available for expiring contracts and a pick). I can't imagine the Spurs being willing to pay him $10 million this summer. Still, I think this is a year when the Spurs should take a risk.

He's not a $10 Million player, so that shouldn't concern you too much. He'd have to play really well to even get what DeRozan got from Toronto. I was just saying that an elite sixth man in his prime is worth eight figures, especially if he has the size to play three positions.

I would have been in favor of trading for him last off-season before the team got Beli. Now, I don't really see Turner as a plus player in the second unit because he needs the ball in his hands and he wouldn't get it enough. He's also inefficient and a poor defender. His overall value is much less than that of a guy like Wilson Chandler, or even Thad Young.

[Baam]

Bonner + Beli for Dudley + 2014 first

I really want another first at this point.

[Chinook]

Turner is going to get paid by someone...he is already making $6.7 mil...with a qualifying offer of $8.7 mil next year.....even with a minimum raise he's gonna get a bump....I would be shocked if he takes anything less than $10mil to $11mil.

I think he's getting a one-year deal around his QO or a long-term deal at about the full MLE. He's no where near the class of Evans or Holliday.

[Chinook]

Turner is going to get paid by someone...he is already making $6.7 mil...with a qualifying offer of $8.7 mil next year.....even with a minimum raise he's gonna get a bump....I would be shocked if he takes anything less than $10mil to $11mil.

I think he's getting a one-year deal around his QO or a long-term deal at about the full MLE. He's no where near the class of Evans or Holliday.

[Baam]

Turner sucks on D and doesn't space the floor, I don't see how he would help at all, rather take Eric Gordon if we're going for a dynamic scorer to replace Manu, at least he can shoot it.

Copy/pasting from downstair :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJECUj9iv6U

[ABC]

His overall value is much less than that of a guy like Wilson Chandler, or even Thad Young.

I agree. I just question whether the Spurs actually have a shot at Chandler or Young offering expiring contracts and a pick. If they don't, I'd be okay with trying for Turner.

[Baam]

Another idea :

Beli + Bonner + one of Mills/Cojo for Porter + Vesely

Fills basically all the needs of the Wizz who are struggling to get over .500 in an year where they went all-in by trading their first rounder... A stretch 4 Wall has been asking forever, a dynamic 2 who is much needed with Beal struggling and a good backup PG so that Wall doesn't have to play 48min...

Vesely is only there to make the numbers work (and because I'm kinda obsessed with this scrub yes)

[cd021]

"team President Flip Saunders is well aware that missing the playoffs for a seventh consecutive season would certainly not help his campaign to keep him in town. Translation: The T'wolves should be on the personnel prowl. Among their players thought to be available are point guard J.J. Barea, forward Dante Cunningham and guard Alexey Shved."

-USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2014/02/07/a-to-z-trade-talks-selling-carmelo-anthony-kyrie-irving-rajon-rondo/5295879/

[gambit1990]

i like what little i've seen from shved.

[Chinook]

"team President Flip Saunders is well aware that missing the playoffs for a seventh consecutive season would certainly not help his campaign to keep him in town. Translation: The T'wolves should be on the personnel prowl. Among their players thought to be available are point guard J.J. Barea, forward Dante Cunningham and guard Alexey Shved."

-USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2014/02/07/a-to-z-trade-talks-selling-carmelo-anthony-kyrie-irving-rajon-rondo/5295879/

Would only go Bonner for MaM and/or Ayres for Cunningham. The Wolves absolutely burned their two best trade assets. They have next to nothing to offer.

Otto Porter is likely on the block, but only for a near-star. They won't give him up otherwise until they resolve the Ariza situation. I would take him and even give up a first, though. He hasn't been good this season, but he looks versatile enough to fill in three positions, and his youth and deal make thay worth a late pick.

[BatManu20]

Who would the Spurs trade for Turner though tbh? Expiring and a 1st roundeR?

[BatManu20]

I'd trade a 1st, Bonner, De Colo, and/or Ayers or some variation of that for Taj Gibson in a heartbeat.


This rumor that the Spurs are interested in trading for Boozer, Gibson, AND Mike Dunleavy in a deal that would involve Bonner, Diaw, and De Colo is just unrealistic. Money doesn't work.

[TD 21]

Even though Dunleavy is a better player than anyone they're likely to bring in at SF, he wouldn't be a good fit and if you've been paying attention, isn't the type of SF they're seeking.

It's clear they're seeking a strong, athletic SF, that either has a reputation as a defender (Young, Jeffers), or at least fits the physical profile of one (Maggette, Brown; though he's really strictly an SG), height/shooting be damned.

This is why I see De Colo and Baynes for Gee, as a more likely move. He's highly available, they obviously liked him in the past and though he's overpaid, it's irrelevant, given their flexibility and the fact that his contract is not guaranteed for next season.


Turner wouldn't make sense with the current roster, but he could with the post Duncan/Ginobili one. I'm not a fan (not good enough to be a featured player on a good team, nor suited for being a role player on one), but let's face it, he's of the ilk they'll have to at least consider because they're not getting any stars in free agency and they're not re-building. Plus, he is attainable (expiring contracts and a 1st), affordable (3 years/$21-24M) and in theory still has some upside left.

[LittleCriminal]

Bonner, Ayers, Decolo, and all/any Picks for T. Gibson and M. Dunleavy!
Money works.. I Think..... Throw in C. Joesph's scrub ass too!

[FireMicoHalili]

Yes to any wing* above 6'5, with more defense than Beli, and with more talent than Ayres

had to specify a wing cause we might end up with another tweeter for chrissake

[ThaBigFundamental21]

I think Beli is a perfect trade chip. I like him, not gonna lie, but it's pretty obvious he is really overrated. It's easy for fans to fall in love with him. He can score a lot in the right matchups. But Beli struggles against quality opponents and he can't play a lick of D. His contract is ultra low. Perfect trade bait. Pair him with Bonner, and any team wanting salary relief has a good pair. TBH, you could do a lot worse than both of them in a salary dump deal.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

BTW what does Evan Turner really bring to the Spurs??? Fill me in. He shoots 29% from 3. He shoots 43% from the field. He isn't a very good defender, or passer, and he turns the ball over. I don't know much about the guy, but does he really help our team out?

[Dverde]

"team President Flip Saunders is well aware that missing the playoffs for a seventh consecutive season would certainly not help his campaign to keep him in town. Translation: The T'wolves should be on the personnel prowl. Among their players thought to be available are point guard J.J. Barea, forward Dante Cunningham and guard Alexey Shved."

-USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2014/02/07/a-to-z-trade-talks-selling-carmelo-anthony-kyrie-irving-rajon-rondo/5295879/

Shved is going to be a solid pro. Trade for him in a heartbeat.

[tholdren]

I'd trade a 1st, Bonner, De Colo, and/or Ayers or some variation of that for Taj Gibson in a heartbeat.


This rumor that the Spurs are interested in trading for Boozer, Gibson, AND Mike Dunleavy in a deal that would involve Bonner, Diaw, and De Colo is just unrealistic. Money doesn't work.

tiago/boner/diaw/colo/ayers for noah/boozer..... done

[Dverde]

Plus Shved is already wearing a facemask. He should fit right in.

[cd021]

tiago/boner/diaw/colo/ayers for noah/boozer..... done

Is that all?

[cd021]

Any thoughts on Patty Mills future with the team? At the moment he has played his into a multi year deal.

[Ice009]

I don't want Evan Turner, so stop with this stupid Turner talk. He's not a fit for this Spurs team.

As for Patty Mills, I'll say it again - Tim Duncan and Tony Parker asked the Spurs the keep him on the team beyond this season. Now, that doesn't mean much, as he still could get traded, but I'd say they would only trade Patty if it was a great deal.

[Chinook]

Any thoughts on Patty Mills future with the team? At the moment he has played his into a multi year deal.

It's all about how he finishes the year. If he can show himself able to hang in a legit playoff rotation, he could be in line for Barea money. If Joseph beats him out he may only get a slight raise. He had some awesome games before signing his current deal as well.

[Sean Cagney]

I don't want Evan Turner, so stop with this stupid Turner talk. He's not a fit for this Spurs team.

As for Patty Mills, I'll say it again - Tim Duncan and Tony Parker asked the Spurs the keep him on the team beyond this season. Now, that doesn't mean much, as he still could get traded, but I'd say they would only trade Patty if it was a great deal.

Don't worry he won't be coming here anyways! I agree on the second part there about Patty.

[Hoops Czar]

Any thoughts on Patty Mills future with the team? At the moment he has played his into a multi year deal.

I'll be stunned if he gets more than what Neal is making with the Bucks. If he does, it won't be from the Spurs.

[FireMicoHalili]

Can we just establish the Spurs are interested in undersized everything

[FireMicoHalili]

The Spurs FO exists to draft internationals, to sign D-Leaguers, and to drum up interest for every free agent

[Hoops Czar]

The Spurs FO exists to draft internationals, to sign D-Leaguers, and to drum up interest for every free agent

Some GM's play chess, some checkers while RC plays Hungry Hungry Hippo.

[cjw]

Another idea :

Beli + Bonner + one of Mills/Cojo for Porter + Vesely

Fills basically all the needs of the Wizz who are struggling to get over .500 in an year where they went all-in by trading their first rounder... A stretch 4 Wall has been asking forever, a dynamic 2 who is much needed with Beal struggling and a good backup PG so that Wall doesn't have to play 48min...

Vesely is only there to make the numbers work (and because I'm kinda obsessed with this scrub yes)

So you want to trade two guys who are rotation players (if Mills is one of them) for two guys who may struggle to crack the rotation period? I don't care that both guys we'd get were lottery picks - neither has shown anything showing they were worthy of it. You just don't make a trade like that mid-season when you're a contender.

Not saying it wouldn't look out in the long run, and they are likely looking for a much different package if they were to give up Porter, but just hard to get my head around given the situation.

[Baam]

Splitter to Pheonix makes more and more sense tbh. They have plenty of picks and need a center...

On the other hand it looks like another season where Splitter won't have the impact expected...

Splitter + Beli for Okafor + Goodwin and Wizz pick (17th right now)

[FireMicoHalili]

I don't see the team trading for rookies or someone without any playoff experience. If there are any young players to be included Pop must *really* think those guys are a good fit. I don't get the obsession with Ayres though I mean he's mobile and he's a good locker room presence...and then what

[FireMicoHalili]

Can anyone refresh my memory: we traded rights to Dragic for rights to Malik Hairston and a pick that would become DeJuan Blair?