Spurs contact Pau Gasol reportedly

[SD126]

Brett wanted him two years ago. Pass. We need to get younger not older.

[Escawun3]

Get MvPau, Evan Fournier, Bertans, Matt Barnes, Mahinmi, and let's hope Memphis would trade Conley for Tony and Patty.

[ace3g]

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[barakz21]

If Pau comes over AND the Spurs manage to lure Conley, then that's a good start.

[Ditty]

He would be a great fit, especially as back up big. He rolls (Which we need), solid rebounder and good passer. He would be an immediate upgrade over Diaw/West just with size & length alone tbh. If we get him at the minimum that would be a steal. Still need to pursue Durant, and a guard that can score in the paint over him though. Hopefully he waits a while like West did.

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[Snaq O'Meal]

He would be a great fit, especially as back up big. He rolls (Which we need), solid rebounder and good passer. He would be an immediate upgrade over Diaw/West just with size & length alone tbh. If we get him at the minimum that would be a steal. Still need to pursue Durant, and a guard that can score in the paint over him though. Hopefully he waits a while like West did.

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Durant is nothing more than a pipe dream now.

Rather than putting all eggs into one basket, getting a combination of Pau Gasol, Nicolas Batum, Matt Barnes and Jeremy Lin may address more of the team's immediate needs such as rim protection, rebounding, perimeter defense, offensive diversity, playmaking, and depth. Durant alone won't fill all those needs.

[Kawhitstorm]

Durant is nothing more than a pipe dream now.

Rather than putting all eggs into one basket, getting a combination of Pau Gasol, Nicolas Batum, Matt Barnes and Jeremy Lin may address more of the team's immediate needs such as rim protection, rebounding, perimeter defense, offensive diversity, playmaking, and depth. Durant alone won't fill all those needs.

There is no way PATFO touch Barnes w/ a 10 inch pole & there isn't enough cap space to purse BOTH Batum/Lin. Pau could sign for the MLE but Batum is going to eat up the entire cap space so there won't be anything left for Jeremy.

[Nbadan]

If Tim. West and Manu retire/opt out the Spurs could easily have enough cap space to sign Pau or Conley and another mid level player...

[Nbadan]

Scratch that...Conley could demand max....or more than the Spurs can offer..

[Emperor]

Would rather take Teague over Conley, would be a lot cheaper atleast till next summer if they were to resign him.

[024]

Gasol would make sense if the Spurs can get him for a low price.

Gasol's PNR defense has gone down the toilet though. Cant believe this isnt mentoned more, but I guess no one watches many Bulls games this year. He'll be a defensive liability against the teams that matter like OKC and the warriors.

Yeah, he put up good stats on a mediocre team that didn't have many options at center. But his defense has become a liability. And at 36 years old, it's only going to get worse.

That said, if you replaced Duncan with Gasol against OKC, the series would have tipped to the Spurs.

[TheDoctor]

Gasol would make sense if the Spurs can get him for a low price.

Gasol's PNR defense has gone down the toilet though. Cant believe this isnt mentoned more, but I guess no one watches many Bulls games this year. He'll be a defensive liability against the teams that matter like OKC and the warriors.

Yeah, he put up good stats on a mediocre team that didn't have many options at center. But his defense has become a liability. And at 36 years old, it's only going to get worse.

That said, if you replaced Duncan with Gasol against OKC, the series would have tipped to the Spurs.

Exactly. I'm OK with Gasol if he comes at a low price and we sign an all-star caliber player. While Gasol is a walking double-double, he's old and a defensive liability. After OKC's series, it is mandatory that we get a younger BIG that can roll to the basket.

[Escawun3]

Everyone says we need a young good defender center, is easy to say that, but who? That's the first priority regardless If Timmy comeback or not, Pau might be the best realistic option, Yes he is not a good defender anymore, but he is one of the best passers big man, and he always raise his game against good teams.

[Joseph Kony]

Gasol would make sense if the Spurs can get him for a low price.

Gasol's PNR defense has gone down the toilet though. Cant believe this isnt mentoned more, but I guess no one watches many Bulls games this year. He'll be a defensive liability against the teams that matter like OKC and the warriors.

Yeah, he put up good stats on a mediocre team that didn't have many options at center. But his defense has become a liability. And at 36 years old, it's only going to get worse.

That said, if you replaced Duncan with Gasol against OKC, the series would have tipped to the Spurs.

The Spurs were a damn good defensive team with two liabilities backing up Tim/LMA tbh. Spurs could use the size, regardless of whether or not he is a good defender because our options are limited. It's painfully obvious the Spurs lack scoring and he would be a solid addition to the bench over West. He could at least grab a fucking board

[look_at_g_shred]

upgrade over west for sure.

[Jdspur20]

I would assume it would take the full MLE to throw at Gasol?

[Kawhitstorm]

I would assume it would take the full MLE to throw at Gasol?

In order to use the MLE, the Spurs can't sign FAs using their cap space. Basically, have to acquire players via trades then offer Pau the MLE. That would also mean Tim/Manu are coming back.

[sasaint]

In order to use the MLE, the Spurs can't sign FAs using their cap space. Basically, have to acquire players via trades then offer Pau the MLE. That would also mean Tim/Manu are coming back.

I am beginning to suspect that it is PATFO's plan to stand pat for the most part this off-season and wait for 2017 to make a bigger haul under an even bigger cap.

[TheGreatYacht]

I am beginning to suspect that it is PATFO's plan to stand pat for the most part this off-season and wait for 2017 to make a bigger haul under an even bigger cap.
If the front office stands pat, Duncan might as well not come back to damage his career stats and long term health.... Because this roster as it stands ain't winning crap.

:pop: <-- this guy already took the season off, now he's going to take the off-season off too? Fire him and get someone that still has that fire lit

[UZER]

Durant is nothing more than a pipe dream now.

Rather than putting all eggs into one basket, getting a combination of Pau Gasol, Nicolas Batum, Matt Barnes and Jeremy Lin may address more of the team's immediate needs such as rim protection, rebounding, perimeter defense, offensive diversity, playmaking, and depth. Durant alone won't fill all those needs.

While I agree I do believe there is a small window opened if he gets cut stomped by the GSW....if he wants to win.

[Snaq O'Meal]

While I agree I do believe there is a small window opened if he gets cut stomped by the GSW....if he wants to win.

It will take an ass-whooping by GSW, AND bad blood between OKC and GSW, AND a fallout with Westbrook, to make Durant consider SA. Especially since Durant wants to win but Pop didn't exactly inspire any confidence with his stupid rotations and lack of adjustments. Chances of landing him are minuscule.

[200 miles]

Enough of bringing in geriatrics. West is enough.

Draft A.J. Hammons. That is all.

[Kawhitstorm]

I am beginning to suspect that it is PATFO's plan to stand pat for the most part this off-season and wait for 2017 to make a bigger haul under an even bigger cap.

So, Durant or bust (Pau for the MLE)?

[spurtech09]

If Pau comes over AND the Spurs manage to lure Conley, then that's a good start.Doubt that's going to happen.

[spurtech09]

Enough of bringing in geriatrics. West is enough.

Draft A.J. Hammons. That is all.doubt that happen...

[sasaint]

So, Durant or bust (Pau for the MLE)?

Durant this season? No way. He is with a better team in OKC than he would join in SA. Imo, Durant to SA always was just a rumor. As for Pau, would it be possible to bring back our entire roster aside from Miller and Martin and use the MLE on Pau? You know much more about cap-related issues than I.

[MaNu4Tres]

Under the hypothetical that TD and Manu retire, I much rather use the 10-15 mil (majority of cap) to go after Plumlee and a versatile big wing like Marvin Williams or Harkless instead of pay Gasol majority of the cap space. Gasol is not great in the PnR on either end (he's a pick and pop guy like West -- which helps the D stay out on the shooters as the D wants the PnPop big to take the mid-range two. Spurs really need a diver in PnR's too free up the weak-side 3's and motion offense again. Plumlee is also underrated at defending the PnR's -- he has the mobility.

Spurs would be extremely versatile on both ends going this route IMO.


Trade Mills/Diaw for Teague.

Sign Plumlee.
Sign Marvin Williams or Harkless.

Get Jason Thompson for minimum as his value is at its lowest it can possibly be being on the Warriors roster majority of the year.

[cd021]

Enough of bringing in geriatrics. West is enough.

Draft A.J. Hammons. That is all.

Isn't dude 24? Would be worried about the upside.

[Ditty]

Durant is nothing more than a pipe dream now.

Rather than putting all eggs into one basket, getting a combination of Pau Gasol, Nicolas Batum, Matt Barnes and Jeremy Lin may address more of the team's immediate needs such as rim protection, rebounding, perimeter defense, offensive diversity, playmaking, and depth. Durant alone won't fill all those needs.

He was blowing Kawhi during the series, and the Spurs how great they are after they beat us still. Spurs have the best recruiter in the league now in Pop. I like our chances as long as OKC doesn't win it all.

[baseline bum]

If the Spurs sign Gasol it has to as a sixth man and for sixth man money. I wouldn't want him the floor with the first unit all the time since he'd take shots away from Leonard and Aldridge and the thought of a 1-4 pick and roll being guarded by Parker and Gasol is frightening. I wonder about taking a flyer on Mozgov, he really played well last year but with a disappointing season this year he should be pretty cheap.

[Nbadan]

I wonder about taking a flyer on Mozgov, he really played well last year but with a disappointing season this year he should be pretty cheap.

I was thinking of Mozgov, but the Spurs already have a huge white stiffish guy on the roster.....

[Chillen]

If the Spurs sign Gasol it has to as a sixth man and for sixth man money. I wouldn't want him the floor with the first unit all the time since he'd take shots away from Leonard and Aldridge and the thought of a 1-4 pick and roll being guarded by Parker and Gasol is frightening. I wonder about taking a flyer on Mozgov, he really played well last year but with a disappointing season this year he should be pretty cheap.

Actually signing Pau Gasol makes sense for the Spurs to start him and bring Duncan off the bench as a sixth man, to prolong Tim's run as a Spur if he's coming back next season. He's not great defensively but no worse than Aldridge imo.

[baseline bum]

Actually signing Pau Gasol makes sense for the Spurs to start him and bring Duncan off the bench as a sixth man, to prolong Tim's run as a Spur if he's coming back next season. He's not great defensively but no worse than Aldridge imo.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Duncan had an extremely effective year defensively and if he can be as healthy as he was before his knee injury he has to start. Otherwise he is retiring. Gasol would be offense of the bench, which is desperately needed with the retirement (or decline) of Ginobili.

[MaNu4Tres]

That makes no sense whatsoever. Duncan had an extreAmely effective year defensively and if he can be as healthy as he was before his knee injury he has to start. Otherwise he is retiring. Gasol would be offense of the bench, which is desperately needed with the retirement (or decline) of Ginobili.

A great diver in PnR's can do more for the overall offense off the bench than Gasol post ups and pick and pops tbh...

Do not want Gasol at all. No D, terrible PnR D, no rebounding, inefficient post ups. A taller/slower West isn't what the Spurs need.

[Kawhitstorm]

If the Spurs sign Gasol it has to as a sixth man and for sixth man money. I wouldn't want him the floor with the first unit all the time since he'd take shots away from Leonard and Aldridge and the thought of a 1-4 pick and roll being guarded by Parker and Gasol is frightening. I wonder about taking a flyer on Mozgov, he really played well last year but with a disappointing season this year he should be pretty cheap.

If PATFO stand pat then using the MLE on Mozgov would make sense (it would actually be a pay raise) since the team needs a banger. (Probably would have beaten OKC w/ last season's version of Mozgov)

If Manu/Tim retire & Diaw is dumped then Pau for the Room Exception (he already got paid) would be fine if someone like Marvin Williams is signed to play stretch 4. Pau is a diva so he will probably demand a starting position but that should be fine in the regular season as long as Pop plays him 20-25 minutes like Tiago & finishes the game w/ LMA/Marvin. Can probably get Hibbert to play backup center for the vet min. just to have a defensive minded center on the roster.

[Nbadan]

That makes no sense whatsoever. Duncan had an extremely effective year defensively and if he can be as healthy as he was before his knee injury he has to start. Otherwise he is retiring. Gasol would be offense of the bench, which is desperately needed with the retirement (or decline) of Ginobili.

That is the upside of signing a player like Pau.....he could start or Duncan could start....although, just judging by last season, Pau can give you more production than Duncan offensively

[Chillen]

Having watched him as a Bull this guy will definitely help the Spurs if he signs, he is not a defensive powerhouse but his offense in the low post will cause attention and help Aldridge, Leonard get better shots. Smart player, great passer to, he would flourish in the Spurs system.

[spurraider21]

A great diver in PnR's can do more for the overall offense off the bench than Gasol post ups and pick and pops tbh...
You under the impression that Duncan is still a great diver?


Do not want Gasol at all. No D, terrible PnR D, no rebounding, inefficient post ups. A taller/slower West isn't what the Spurs need.
He averaged 11 rebounds per game this season

[monkeypunk]

Do not want Gasol at all. No D, terrible PnR D, no rebounding, inefficient post ups. A taller/slower West isn't what the Spurs need.


He averaged 11 rebounds per game this season

This. Pau can still rebound and is a savvy vet without much of injury history.

I'd take him all day but since he mentioned Tim's decision when he was asked whether he would go the Spurs, it sounds like he wouldn't come if he couldn't start. In that sense, I question his dedication to winning over starting, which is a concern in how that would fit on SAS, from a culture persective...

[baseline bum]

This. Pau can still rebound and is a savvy vet without much of injury history.

I'd take him all day but since he mentioned Tim's decision when he was asked whether he would go the Spurs, it sounds like he wouldn't come if he couldn't start. In that sense, I question his dedication to winning over starting, which is a concern in how that would fit on SAS, from a culture persective...

He wants to get paid like a starter. I can't blame him, I would go to the highest bidder too, especially with two rings in hand already.

[monkeypunk]

He wants to get paid like a starter. I can't blame him, I would go to the highest bidder too, especially with two rings in hand already.
I would too but I don't have the bank account he does, even beyond the rings. He's been paid well most of his career and imo, just lucked into the rings with the Lakers. Still wanting starter money at this stage of his career means he values money more than (more) rings so to me, his drive to win is questionable.

[spursnatic]

I wish he would've came here instead of the Bulls the first time..Might have had some more Rings

[ace3g]

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#Bulls (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bulls?src=hash) Pau Gasol gave his thoughts on FA & possibly joining the #Spurs (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Spurs?src=hash) (via @JeffGSpursZone (https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone))

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[Emperor]

"We'll see what happens with Duncan first." Is basically what he meant.

[Emperor]

"Buuuuut they don't have enough museums and operas so we'll see." Is also what he probably meant.

[TheGreatYacht]

It's happening!

[Kikoluna]

A little too late. Love him for cheap but he'll ask too much

[Ron Swanson]

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[coachmac87]

If we get Durant will he sign for MLE?

[Uriel]

I think it's pretty obvious at this point that Pau Gasol is going to the Spurs. The only question is, who else are they going to sign besides him. Mike Conley? Kevin Durant?

[Sean Cagney]

I think it's pretty obvious at this point that Pau Gasol is going to the Spurs. The only question is, who else are they going to sign besides him. Mike Conley? Kevin Durant?
Conley and Gasol would be a nice start.......

[cascaders]

enough with this tired old shitbag (gasol) talk. We dont need another oldie washed up player in here.

[Chillen]

enough with this tired old shitbag (gasol) talk. We dont need another oldie washed up player in here.

He's a perfect fit for the Spurs system, only downside is his defense. Spurs need to sign Gasol, and if Durant stays in OKC, go after Conley.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If we get Durant will he sign for MLE?

If the Spurs get Durant they won't have the MLE.

[Kikoluna]

Durant green Leonard Aldridge Conley = 3 straight championships

[Mal]

Durant green Leonard Aldridge Conley = 3 straight championships

It cannot happen. Trading Parker frees space for Durant, there wont be space for Conley. Starting lineup with 3x MAX deals, 10 mil deal and 15 mil deal. Executive of the year if anyone makes that happen

[Canyonero]

It cannot happen. Trading Parker frees space for Durant, there wont be space for Conley. Starting lineup with 3x MAX deals, 10 mil deal and 15 mil deal. Executive of the year if anyone makes that happen

And Spurs play with no bench.

[-21-]

Just wondering, is this the longest thread in SpursTalk history?

[TheDoctor]

Won't mind Gasol at the right price at all. He's a walking double-double.

[Kawhitstorm]

Won't mind Gasol at the right price at all. He's a walking double-double.

....so is Enes Kanter

[TheDoctor]

....so is Enes Kanter

Statistically Kanter isn't a walking double-double but he's MUCH younger and mobile than Gasol at this stage.

[Sean Cagney]

Durant green Leonard Aldridge Conley = 3 straight championships

It's also a pipe dream tbh.

[Sean Cagney]

He's a perfect fit for the Spurs system, only downside is his defense. Spurs need to sign Gasol, and if Durant stays in OKC, go after Conley.

^^^^^ This.

[Kawhitstorm]

Statistically Kanter isn't a walking double-double but he's MUCH younger and mobile than Gasol at this stage.

Per 36:
-Kanter: 21/14
-Pau: 18/12

[TheGreatYacht]

Per 36:
-Kanter: 21/14
-Pau: 18/12
Compare their salaries now... :lol

[AFMadison]

Per 36:
-Kanter: 21/14
-Pau: 18/12
Meh. Skewed.
Gasol is cheaper, and opens the door for more players. Kanter only started one game all year.

[TheDoctor]

Per 36:
-Kanter: 21/14
-Pau: 18/12

:lmao @ Per 36 stats.

Boban Per36? 21.0/13.7

Neither are breaking 30's with the Spurs anyway.

[Kawhitstorm]

:lmao @ Per 36 stats.

Boban Per36? 21.0/13.7

Neither are breaking 30's with the Spurs anyway.

The same Boban that didn't play a lick when Kanter was pounding the offensive glass while averaging 22 minutes against the Spurs.:lmao

Kanter would be playing 30+ like Pau if he played for the Mavs (a team that had a better record than the Bulls) who were depending on Mejri/Lee/Zaza/Charlie V.:lol

[AFMadison]

:lmao @ Per 36 stats.

Boban Per36? 21.0/13.7

Neither are breaking 30's with the Spurs anyway.


The same Boban that didn't play a lick when Kanter was pounding the offensive glass while averaging 22 minutes against the Spurs.:lmao

Kanter would be playing 30+ like Pau if he played for the Mavs (a team that had a better record than the Bulls) who were depending on Mejri/Lee/Zaza/Charlie V.:lol

You presented the stat, he just threw it back at you to show you how meaningless it is. You proved his point even more with the Boban comparison. Now you're comparing the Mavs and Bulls record which is completely irrelevant. I would compare them head to head if you wanna talk stats.

Bulls 2-0 against OKC
Gasol 16/11.5
Kanter 12.5/10.5


Gasol against Dallas
17.5/8.5

Kanter against Dallas
13.5/7.3

:wow

[TheDoctor]

You presented the stat, he just threw it back at you to show you how meaningless it is. You proved his point even more with the Boban comparison. Now you're comparing the Mavs and Bulls record which is completely irrelevant. I would compare them head to head if you wanna talk stats.

Bulls 2-0 against OKC
Gasol 16/11.5
Kanter 12.5/10.5


Gasol against Dallas
17.5/8.5

Kanter against Dallas
13.5/7.3

:wow

The thing is that my first comment was along the lines of: "while Kanter isn't there yet, I'd chose him over Gasol on age alone". But all of that is nonsense now because why bring over a guy or two which are much more expensive, when we have in our team, the 2nd coming of prime Tim Duncan in "Per36 Boban Marjanovic". 21/13 are up there with TD's prime numbers :wow

[cutewizard]

if Gasol loves the Spurs so much, WHY DIDNT HE SIGN LAST YEAR??????????????????????????

[Mnky]

The same Boban that didn't play a lick when Kanter was pounding the offensive glass while averaging 22 minutes against the Spurs.:lmao

Kanter would be playing 30+ like Pau if he played for the Mavs (a team that had a better record than the Bulls) who were depending on Mejri/Lee/Zaza/Charlie V.:lol

You have no concept of relevance. Good thing your smiley is there to comfort you. :lol

[Joseph Kony]

If this faggot agrees to come cheap, then go for it. If he wants like a full MLE type of deal, fuck that.

[.G.]

You have no concept of relevance. Good thing your smiley is there to comfort you. :lol

:lol

[kaji157]

Meh. Skewed.
Gasol is cheaper, and opens the door for more players. Kanter only started one game all year.

Gasol is a much better playmaker than Kanter, a skill we will really need as our top 4 players (ughh) all suck at playmaking.

[cd021]

I would expect Gasol to want a two year deal around $6 M per.

If the cap hits $92
West opts in
Duncan retires
Move Diaw for a pick without taking on more money
sign 1st round pick

the Spurs would have 9.7 million
and a roster of

PG-Parker-Mills
SG-Green-Manu-Simmons
SF-Leonard-Anderson
PF-West, Gasol
C Aldridge, Boban

(I would assume the Spurs use their 1st rounder on a big, there are several solid prospects including Corneille and Zimmerman)

Spurs would have three open spots one could be used for Bertans. I would hope that the Spurs use the remaining 9.7 million on guard help.

[Emperor]

I would expect Gasol to want a two year deal around $6 M per.

If the cap hits $92
West opts in
Duncan retires
Move Diaw for a pick without taking on more money
sign 1st round pick

the Spurs would have 9.7 million
and a roster of

PG-Parker-Mills
SG-Green-Manu-Simmons
SF-Leonard-Anderson
PF-West, Gasol
C Aldridge, Boban

(I would assume the Spurs use their 1st rounder on a big, there are several solid prospects including Corneille and Zimmerman)

Spurs would have three open spots one could be used for Bertans. I would hope that the Spurs use the remaining 9.7 million on guard help.

West would not be starting. Aldridge would be starting PF and Gasol would be starting C. Would love for them to go after Loul Deng to backup Kawhi aswell.

[Emperor]

if Gasol loves the Spurs so much, WHY DIDNT HE SIGN LAST YEAR??????????????????????????

Because we weren't as much a world class city as Chicago apparently.

[baseline bum]

He's a perfect fit for the Spurs system, only downside is his defense. Spurs need to sign Gasol, and if Durant stays in OKC, go after Conley.

Then how is he the perfect fit for the system?

[baseline bum]

At this point Gasol is just a name. I loved LA Gasol back when he was a really solid defensive player but now he's old as shit, he's the same age as West.

[cd021]

West would not be starting. Aldridge would be starting PF and Gasol would be starting C. Would love for them to go after Loul Deng to backup Kawhi aswell.

Deng would probably be better as a starting 4 with LMA at the five and Leonard at the 3.

Gasol would start but I would be worried about the defense. He is probably better off the bench in a 25 mpg role.

[Seventyniner]

Deng would probably be better as a starting 4 with LMA at the five and Leonard at the 3.

Gasol would start but I would be worried about the defense. He is probably better off the bench in a 25 mpg role.

I don't think Gasol is interested in coming off the bench, especially if it's for less money than he can get elsewhere as a starter. Money and a starting role are basically the reasons he turned down the Spurs' MLE offer two years ago.

Thus I don't think the Spurs have any chance at Gasol if Tim doesn't retire.

[baseline bum]

Deng would probably be better as a starting 4 with LMA at the five and Leonard at the 3.

Gasol would start but I would be worried about the defense. He is probably better off the bench in a 25 mpg role.

I'd rather play West 40 minutes a night than throw money at Deng.

[dbestpro]

Gasol is still crazy good because he is smart. Players like West, who play a physical game, has seen the game change to where physical players are no longer relevant. The game is soft, but still requires intelligence.

[ace3g]

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Marc Gasol still convinced that the Spurs would be a perfect fit for his brother Pau:


Marc Gasol is still convinced that the San Antonio Spurs would be a perfect fit for his brother Pau. In an interview with AS Marc said that the winning culture and the history of the Spurs it's perfect for Pau's future:

"I think that the Spurs are the best option for him," said Gasol. " What that franchise represents, their winning culture, how they treat players. Everything is great there'

[Chillen]

I hope he signs with the Spurs, he's a perfect fit for this team and a smart, talented player.

[Kawhitstorm]

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Marc Gasol still convinced that the Spurs would be a perfect fit for his brother Pau:

Now, we all know where Marc Gasol is sign after his current contract runs out.:wow

[TheGreatYacht]

Now, we all know where Marc Gasol is sign after his current contract runs out.:wow
Spurs could've had him, but they drafted Tiago Shitter and Marcus Williams:downspin:

[TD 21]

I would expect Gasol to want a two year deal around $6 M per.

If the cap hits $92
West opts in
Duncan retires
Move Diaw for a pick without taking on more money
sign 1st round pick

the Spurs would have 9.7 million
and a roster of

PG-Parker-Mills
SG-Green-Manu-Simmons
SF-Leonard-Anderson
PF-West, Gasol
C Aldridge, Boban

(I would assume the Spurs use their 1st rounder on a big, there are several solid prospects including Corneille and Zimmerman)

Spurs would have three open spots one could be used for Bertans. I would hope that the Spurs use the remaining 9.7 million on guard help.

No way an ego as big as Gasol's accepts a pay cut and coming off the bench regularly and he hasn't been able to play power forward in years.

While difficult to say exactly what it'll cost, I'm thinking roughly $10M. Whatever the case, he'd obviously be the starting center.

[DPG21920]

Got damn :lol Has there ever been a player that loves the Spurs more than Marc Gasol? He literally gushes over SA any chance he gets. Even when MEM played SA in the playoffs, he was gushing about SA and how great of a team SA is.

It's pretty wild and I have never seen a player of another team speak so fondly, so often, of another franchise.

[TheGoldStandard]

Got damn :lol Has there ever been a player that loves the Spurs more than Marc Gasol? He literally gushes over SA any chance he gets. Even when MEM played SA in the playoffs, he was gushing about SA and how great of a team SA is.

It's pretty wild and I have never seen a player of another team speak so fondly, so often, of another franchise.

He has a crush on the Spurs.. probably will never play here though.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs don't need Gasol. Especially at his presumed high asking price. Do not want.

In a hypothetical series vs. Warriors, Warriors will simply take him out of the series quickly. Gasol (going on 36) is a liability on D vs. a lot of the lineups Warriors go to. OKC was able to stay big because their bigs were 22, 23 and 26 years old and mobile -- Gasol is 35/36 years old and slow. There's a huge difference.

What is the point for Spurs to allocate most of their financial resources to get a player ( Gasol) that will be unplayable vs. the Warriors?

[HarlemHeat37]

Ew..Gasol, Noah, Mike Conley..these names are disgusting..

[MaNu4Tres]

Ew..Gasol, Noah, Mike Conley..these names are disgusting..

They're better off surrounding Kawhi/LA/Green with young, long, athletic preferably two way players that don't need the ball in their hands to be effective.

Take that back, they need a play-maker for the bench and his name is not Patty or Manu. Simmons could possibly help some in stretches -- esp against the weaker teams during the long 82.

[Kawhitstorm]

Spurs don't need Gasol. Especially at his presumed high asking price. Do not want.

In a hypothetical series vs. Warriors, Warriors will simply take him out of the series quickly. Gasol (going on 36) is a liability on D vs. a lot of the lineups Warriors go to. OKC was able to stay big because their bigs were 22, 23 and 26 years old and mobile -- Gasol is 35/36 years old and slow. There's a huge difference.

What is the point for Spurs to allocate most of their financial resources to get a player ( Gasol) that will be unplayable vs. the Warriors?

If diva Pau doesn't want to play for one of the "Exceptions" then he should be at the bottom of the list unless PATFO are left hanging & have to sign someone to save face.:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Ew..Gasol, Noah, Mike Conley..these names are disgusting..

Porker, Evita, D-Worst, Fatty, Diawbetics & Tim w/ two busted knees will have you thinking otherwise.:wakeup

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Going by what's realistically available for the Spurs this summer they seem pretty screwed.

[Kawhitstorm]

They're better off surrounding Kawhi/LA/Green with young, long, athletic preferably two way players that don't need the ball in their hands to be effective.

Take that back, they need a play-maker for the bench and his name is not Patty or Manu. Simmons could possibly help some in stretches -- esp against the weaker teams during the long 82.

PATFO can possibly steal Fournier from Orlando if they offer him the max since Vogel most likely prefers Dipo/Payton in the backcourt b/c he's a defensive minded coach. He would be the perfect Manu replacement & his max won't be as ludicrous as other FAs since he's coming off his rookie deal thus would be making less than Kawhi/LMA. (Basically, if PATFO dump Diaw then they would have enough room to offer Fournier the max ~18 mill assuming Tim/Manu retire)

[Ice009]

Got damn :lol Has there ever been a player that loves the Spurs more than Marc Gasol? He literally gushes over SA any chance he gets. Even when MEM played SA in the playoffs, he was gushing about SA and how great of a team SA is.

It's pretty wild and I have never seen a player of another team speak so fondly, so often, of another franchise.

I really have always liked Marc, not because of the compliments or anything like that, but more because of the way he plays the game. I always thought he was a tougher, more physical player than Pau and that's the style of ball I like.

You're also right about him giving compliments to the Spurs all the time. I remember him talking about Tiago Splitter and how great the Spurs would be with him before most of the people here even knew it. I probably would have really liked Marc on the Spurs, but just couldn't see how he'd fit defensively with Tim, so I was more for the more mobile LaMarcus over Marc, but if starting a team and I have to pick between the two, I'd probably go with Marc.

[AFMadison]

PATFO can possibly steal Fournier from Orlando if they offer him the max since Vogel most likely prefers Dipo/Payton in the backcourt b/c he's a defensive minded coach. He would be the perfect Manu replacement & his max won't be as ludicrous as other FAs since he's coming off his rookie deal thus would be making less than Kawhi/LMA. (Basically, if PATFO dump Diaw then they would have enough room to offer Fournier the max ~18 mill assuming Tim/Manu retire)
:lmao

[MaNu4Tres]

Going by what's realistically available for the Spurs this summer they seem pretty screwed.

No, they aren't. Just have to think outside of the box and ignore the big names that most people will want to target.

Spurs will be able to contend, while moving towards building an elite team for Kawhis' prime if they make the right subtle moves. They need to do what Olshey (GM of Blazers) did last summer. Fill in the holes with underrated moves/names that have length, athletic ability, upside and that fit around Kawhi/Aldridge, Green nucleus.

[Kawhitstorm]

No, they aren't. Just have to think outside of the box and ignore the big names that most people will want to target.

Spurs will be able to contend, while moving towards building an elite team for Kawhis' prime if they make the right subtle moves. They need to do what Olshey (GM of Blazers) did last summer. Fill in the holes with underrated moves/names that have length, athletic ability, upside and that fit around Kawhi/Aldridge, Green nucleus.

Olshey got creative after DUMPING Batum & essentially letting LMA/Matthews/Lopez/Affalo walk. The enormous cap space allowed him to sign Aminu/Ed Davis by offering them a contract over their market value

PATFO would have to dump the Big 3 before they start getting "creative" if they want to outbid the market for more than ONE quality rotation player.:lol

If they dump Diaw/Porker & Tim/Manu retire then they could free up 35 mill in cap space.

[MaNu4Tres]

Olshey got creative after DUMPING Batum & essentially letting LMA/Matthews/Lopez/Affalo walk. The enormous cap space allowed him to sign Aminu/Ed Davis by offering them a contract over their market value

PATFO would have to dump the Big 3 before they start getting "creative" if they want to outbid the market for more than ONE quality rotation player.:lol

If they dump Diaw/Porker & Tim/Manu retire then they could free up 35 mill in cap space.

They could have went after great names/overrated players with the resources they had -- like most teams did or do. Instead, they scoured market for overlooked/undervalued players that have the skill-set to be productive in today's NBA. That is what Olshey did.

Acquired: Plumlee, Harkless, Hendo, Aminu, Davis. Everyone of those players defended well this past season.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

They could have went after great names/overrated players with the resources they had -- like most teams did or do. Instead, they scoured market for overlooked/undervalued players that have the skill-set to be productive in today's NBA. That is what Olshey did.

Well they did offer Kanter the max.

[MaNu4Tres]

Well they did offer Kanter the max.

That was on top of acquiring Plumlee, Harkless, Henderson, Aminu, Davis. And it wasn't "max" considering where cap was going -- not far-fetched to assume Olshey was aware of that. Aminu/Davis contacts look great now

Kanter would have fit really well with the Blazers. Plumlee, Kanter, Aminu, CJ, Lilliard starting lineup would have been really nice moving forward.

My point is about not overpaying/going after attractive names (Gasol/Noah) & going after overlooked/undervalued youth w/ skill sets that fit around Kawhi/Aldridge/Green. Olshey did that last year and I was using him as an example. He went after young, long, athletic players w/ upside that fit around their two best players in Lillard and CJ.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

That was on top of acquiring Plumlee, Harkless, Henderson, Aminu, Davis. And it wasn't "max" considering where cap was going -- not far-fetched to assume Olshey was aware of that. Aminu/Davis contacts look great now


Kanter would have fit really well with the Blazers. Plumlee, Kanter, Aminu, CJ, Lilliard starting lineup would have been really nice moving forward.

The thing is, they've had the cap space to overpay for all 3 players they threw cap money at, managing to bring 2 of them. The 2016 Spurs are not going to have the money to overpay a number of players, unless we're talking about the likes of Dewayne Dedmon, etc. If they can unearth a solid player or two, instead of going after a star that'd be good, but it likely wouldn't move the needle when it comes to competing next season. They'll need to nail the 2017 offseason when they'll have cash.

[MaNu4Tres]

The thing is, they've had the cap space to overpay for all 3 players they threw cap money at, managing to bring 2 of them. The 2016 Spurs are not going to have the money to overpay a number of players, unless we're talking about the likes of Dewayne Dedmon, etc. If they can unearth a solid player or two, instead of going after a star that'd be good, but it likely wouldn't move the needle when it comes to competing next season. They'll need to nail the 2017 offseason when they'll have cash.

Where we disagree is you think Blazers overpaid, I don't -- considering where the market was going in just a year (everyone including me and you knew about it -- I'm sure agents did too). Plus, each of the deals for FA's Aminu and Davis were front-loaded, meaning their pay decreases every year -- while the cap will increase. Olshey structured them optimally to his advantage -- that's not overpaying IMO. Especially considering the same off-season Danny Green got 10 mil per.

Spurs won't have to overpay like you're implying -- they won't get any David West hand-outs either.

[Kawhitstorm]

The thing is, they've had the cap space to overpay for all 3 players they threw cap money at, managing to bring 2 of them. The 2016 Spurs are not going to have the money to overpay a number of players, unless we're talking about the likes of Dewayne Dedmon, etc. If they can unearth a solid player or two, instead of going after a star that'd be good, but it likely wouldn't move the needle when it comes to competing next season. They'll need to nail the 2017 offseason when they'll have cash.

Basically.

Fournier is the only guy that isn't necessarily a "star" but could move the needle & who's contract would be on the same tier as Kanter's.

Biyambo basically had a breakout series like Aminu did last season & is looking for a max along w/ Ezeli putting up numbers similar to Davis.:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Where we disagree is you think Blazers overpaid, I don't -- considering where the market was going in just a year (everyone including me and you knew about it -- I'm sure agents did too). Plus, each of the deals for FA's Aminu and Davis were front-loaded, meaning their pay decreases every year -- while the cap will increase. Olshey structured them optimally to his advantage -- that's not overpaying IMO.

Based on their market value, it was overpaying but the Blazers had the cap space to get creative by front-loading it. They basically gambled & it paid off. Otherwise, Daryl Morey has been doing cap space gymnastics & it has been hit/miss.


Especially considering the same off-season Danny Green got 10 mil per.

As if his market value wasn't higher.:lol


Spurs won't have to overpay like you're implying -- they won't get any David West hand-outs either.

They will get another season of D-Worst.:lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Basically.

Fournier is the only guy that isn't necessarily a "star" but could move the needle & who's contract would be on the same tier as Kanter's.

Biyambo basically had a breakout series like Aminu did last season & is looking for a max along w/ Ezeli putting up numbers similar to Davis.:lol

I think Orlando will match Fournier's max, they'll still have a max slot and all of their rookie contract players have options into next season. Unless they have some ridiculous plans about attracting 2 big free agents. They'll go after Horford I think, match Fournier and build from there.

[MaNu4Tres]

Point is, it makes no sense for Spurs to allocate half or more of their cap space (7-10 mil) on a player that won't even be able to stay on the court vs. the Warriors.

Pretty much using the cap-space to hand-cuff your chances vs. the most important team standing in the way of another title -- makes no sense.

Pau Gasol sure is an attractive name though.

[Kawhitstorm]

I think Orlando will match Fournier's max, they'll still have a max slot and all of their rookie contract players have options into next season. Unless they have some ridiculous plans about attracting 2 big free agents. They'll go after Horford I think, match Fournier and build from there.

Horford is 30 so it doesn't make sense to max him out considering the rest of their roster is 25 & under. He also doesn't give them rim protection which is something they sorely NEED. I expect them to go after defensive minded bigs like Whiteside/Biyombo/Ian/Ezeli/Noah consider Vogel's defense first mentality.

I also think Horford wants to play for a contender before he's past his prime.

As far as Fournier, it depends on what they plan on doing w/ Oladipo since he's going to be up for an extension this summer: http://orlandomagicdaily.com/2016/04/05/nba-free-agency-orlando-magic-decisions-begin-in-backcourt/

(http://orlandomagicdaily.com/2016/04/05/nba-free-agency-orlando-magic-decisions-begin-in-backcourt/)If PATFO can't get Fournier then Eric Gordon could be an option if he doesn't mind coming off the bench but I doubt it. I wouldn't mind dumping Diaw & splitting the 18 mill b/w Pau/Gordon then using the "Room Exception" on a backup center like Plumlee. (D-Worst can just play backup 4)

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[TD 21]

Going by what's realistically available for the Spurs this summer they seem pretty screwed.

Exactly. It's easy to scoff at damn near any name brought up, like Gasol, in this case, but what's the alternative?

I see the argument both for an against him and I'm somewhere in between at this point. I'd like to be dismissive too, but look at the other most likely names.

Whatever they do, presuming Durant re-signs, there's no reason to think they'll be anything more than something like tied for third most likely to come out of the West next season.

[SpursBig3s]

Probably means Duncan is coming back...

[coachmac87]

Gasol ONLY makes sense if Duncan retires...Unless he just has his heart and soul set on SA.

Second I wouldn't just dismiss Gasol because some think he can't play against the Warriors..but I don't think that's true. You can play BIG against the Warriors you just have to make them pay by either scoring or rebounding. Duncan can't make people pay on the offensive end anymore..but Gasol can.

But bottom line Gasol has to come here being ONE of the pieces not THE piece.

[Spurtacular]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/marc-gasol-bizarrely-keeps-pushing-170622077.html?nhp=1

[coachmac87]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/marc-gasol-bizarrely-keeps-pushing-170622077.html?nhp=1

Find it odd that he keeps speaking on this with not only Pau being linked but with Conly also being linked to Spurs..

[Snaq O'Meal]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/marc-gasol-bizarrely-keeps-pushing-170622077.html?nhp=1

If there's a selfish reason behind Marc's "bizzare" behavior, it may be his way of telling the Grizzlies to trade him to the Spurs.

[.G.]

Eh, which squad did Pau help make semi-relevant a decade ago?

I had to put the bong down.

[Spurtacular]

If there's a selfish reason behind Marc's "bizzare" behavior, it may be his way of telling the Grizzlies to trade him to the Spurs.

Blood is thicker than water. I don't know why the media calls this "odd" tbh.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Blood is thicker than water. I don't know why the media calls this "odd" tbh.

Because Pau on the Spurs will further widen the gap between the Spurs and the Grizzlies. So Marc is not doing his own team any favors.

[Kawhitstorm]

You can play BIG against the Warriors you just have to make them pay by either scoring or rebounding. Duncan can't make people pay on the offensive end anymore..but Gasol can.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201601200CHI.html

[coachmac87]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201601200CHI.html


That doesn't mean a damn thing...

If that's the case how about we just go off LMA first game in GSW??

GTFOH

[coachmac87]

Ew..Gasol, Noah, Mike Conley..these names are disgusting..


Would not out Conley in disgusting category.

[Snaq O'Meal]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201601200CHI.html

But Gasol didn't fare that badly in the encounter before that.

See http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201511200GSW.html.

[Kawhitstorm]

If that's the case how about we just go off LMA first game in GSW??

Softrdige went off (10-25) when Bogut/Ezeli were out.:lol

[MaNu4Tres]

Gasol ONLY makes sense if Duncan retires...Unless he just has his heart and soul set on SA.

Second I wouldn't just dismiss Gasol because some think he can't play against the Warriors..but I don't think that's true. You can play BIG against the Warriors you just have to make them pay by either scoring or rebounding. Duncan can't make people pay on the offensive end anymore..but Gasol can.

But bottom line Gasol has to come here being ONE of the pieces not THE piece.

You can only play big vs. Warriors if your bigs can defend well on the perimeter and PnRs -- while rebounding well (having personnel like this negates their efficiency just enough to have a chance; I.E Adams/Ibaka and OKC).

In Gasol's case, he can't defend well vs. a team like them -- not even close. Warriors will create the best shots possible with him on the floor (dunks, back door lay ups, open 3's) while Spurs won't be able to manufacture the same on their end w/ inefficient endless ISO's and Gasols' West-like Pick and Pops (which is most of his game these days). In the long run, that is a recipe for disaster.

It will be a mistake if Spurs allocate half or more of their space for a player that can't play or be a net positive against their toughest competition.

Outside of another perimeter play-maker, Spurs need to surround Kawhi/LA with athletic players that can defend and that don't need the ball on offense to be effective.

[coachmac87]

You can only play big vs. Warriors if your bigs can defend well on the perimeter and PnRs -- while rebounding well (having personnel like this negates their efficiency just enough to have a chance; I.E Adams/Ibaka and OKC).

In Gasol's case, he can't defend well vs. a team like them -- not even close. Warriors will create the best shots possible with him on the floor (dunks, back door lay ups, open 3's) while Spurs won't be able to manufacture the same on their end w/ inefficient endless ISO's and Gasols' West-like Pick and Pops (which is most of his game these days). In the long run, that is a recipe for disaster.

It will be a mistake if Spurs allocate half or more of their space for a player that can't play or be a net positive against their toughest competition.

Outside of another perimeter play-maker, Spurs need to surround Kawhi/LA with athletic players that can defend and that don't need the ball on offense to be effective.



I agree on all of that. But the Spurs still need a Center and if Gasol wants to be that for MLE I'll take it. Gasol is still a great post player and he can punish smaller post defenders better than Alrdidge.

Gasol coming here IMO is not realistic...but that's due to $ and possibly come off bench. Spurs may have different ideas

[gambit1990]

where else is pau interested in going?

[Kawhitstorm]

where else is pau interested in going?

Any team that will pamper him.

[Snaq O'Meal]

where else is pau interested in going?

The Warriors perhaps?

[TheGreatYacht]

Any team that will pamper him.
He's better than Miles Plumlee and Marvin Williams. Cheaper too.

[cutewizard]

It is Marc Gasol who has a real crush on our beloved Spurs!

How can we get Marc????????????????????????????????????????????

[TXstbobcat]

It is Marc Gasol who has a real crush on our beloved Spurs!

How can we get Marc????????????????????????????????????????????

he just signed a max deal with the griz last year.

[TheCerebral1]

I'd rather have Marc, ciao.

[cd98]

It is Marc Gasol who has a real crush on our beloved Spurs!

How can we get Marc????????????????????????????????????????????

He had his chance, but chose to re-sign w/ Grizz.

[Kawhitstorm]

He had his chance, but chose to re-sign w/ Grizz.

Marc Gasol is a loyal guy unlike his big brother.:rolleyes

[Emperor]

It is Marc Gasol who has a real crush on our beloved Spurs!

How can we get Marc????????????????????????????????????????????

Parker/Boban for M.Gasol. Then sign his brother to come off the bench for him.

[Spurtacular]

Because Pau on the Spurs will further widen the gap between the Spurs and the Grizzlies. So Marc is not doing his own team any favors.

Everyone knows the Grizz are pretenders. And his brother doesn't have many playing years left. He'd be wrong not to give his brother good advice. He's just doing it publicly and owning it.

[HarlemHeat37]

Would not out Conley in disgusting category.

He's 28 or 29 years old(IIRC), physically breaking down, and his game relies entirely on his lateral quickness(defense-first PG) and speed(not a notable shooter or passer)..very, very risky to build you franchise and future around that..

[HarlemHeat37]

Spurs need to stop looking at names, rather than actual current ability..

This team desperately lacks 2-way players and versatility..the 2014 team was extremely versatile, they barely had anybody that was a significant liability on either end of the floor..they need to focus on youth and athleticism..

[TD 21]

Spurs need to stop looking at names, rather than actual current ability..

This team desperately lacks 2-way players and versatility..the 2014 team was extremely versatile, they barely had anybody that was a significant liability on either end of the floor..they need to focus on youth and athleticism..

This is exactly what I was getting at. This is just a general idea, but no realistic names are mentioned.

It's easy to scoff at Conley or Gasol or damn near anyone for one reason(s) or another, but you've got to state the alternative.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs need to stop looking at names, rather than actual current ability..

This team desperately lacks 2-way players and versatility..the 2014 team was extremely versatile, they barely had anybody that was a significant liability on either end of the floor..they need to focus on youth and athleticism..

Thank you, Harlem.

[HarlemHeat37]

This is exactly what I was getting at. This is just a general idea, but no realistic names are mentioned.

It's easy to scoff at Conley or Gasol or damn near anyone for one reason(s) or another, but you've got to state the alternative.

I don't think any of these players move the needle IMO, which is why I wouldn't commit to any major deals..I wouldn't be too mad at a potential Gasol signing(although I'd rather keep Duncan and take a flier on youth), since I assume it would be a 1, maybe 2-year deal, but I don't want them to kill their future by building a franchise around declining Mike Conley..

The UFA list is terrible, but it's not like this team is that far off..they were a couple of blown calls away from the WCFs..re-tooling the role players should suffice to keep them challenging for the WCFs without having to over-commit to "names" on long deals that probably wouldn't get them past the Warriors anyways..

[Kawhitstorm]

This is exactly what I was getting at. This is just a general idea, but no realistic names are mentioned.

It's easy to scoff at Conley or Gasol or damn near anyone for one reason(s) or another, but you've got to state the alternative.

The only 2-way player that's in the Spurs budget & could be on PATFO's radar is Marvin Williams. As far as PGs, Delly is the next best 2-way player after Conley.:lol

[TD 21]

I don't think any of these players move the needle IMO, which is why I wouldn't commit to any major deals..I wouldn't be too mad at a potential Gasol signing(although I'd rather keep Duncan and take a flier on youth), since I assume it would be a 1, maybe 2-year deal, but I don't want them to kill their future by building a franchise around declining Mike Conley..

The UFA list is terrible, but it's not like this team is that far off..they were a couple of blown calls away from the WCFs..re-tooling the role players should suffice to keep them challenging for the WCFs without having to over-commit to "names" on long deals that probably wouldn't get them past the Warriors anyways..

I don't necessarily want them to do that either, but at the same time, what future?

Aldridge has little playoff and no international mileage, a relatively clean injury history and a game that should age well, but he's still going on 31 and has played among the most regular season minutes in the league the past decade.

Green is the same age as Conley, they're not exactly teeming with young talent and they play in San Antonio. The mystique built up in recent years is already fading and will be all but gone with Duncan and Ginobili on the verge of retirement a few more seemingly inevitable 2nd round eliminations.

Though highly unlikely no matter what they do, they goal should still be attempting to compete for the championship, not having an outside chance at making it to the WCF's.

[TheGreatYacht]

^ You guys are right. Going young is the only way to go. Enough old guys. Just look at the young role players playing for the Warriors and Cavs who made it to the finals.

Shaun Livingston (30), Leandro Barbosa (33), Marreese Speights, Andrew Bogut (31), Anderson Varejao (33), Brandon Rush (30), Andre Iguodala (32)

Richard Jefferson (35), Channing Frye (32), JR Smith (30), Mo Williams (33), Dahntay Jones (35)

[Kawhitstorm]

I don't necessarily want them to do that either, but at the same time, what future?

Aldridge has little playoff and no international mileage, a relatively clean injury history and a game that should age well, but he's still going on 31 and has played among the most regular season minutes in the league the past decade.

Basically, LMA is going to be past his prime by the time they retool the roster. He's at his PEAK so unless the plan is for him to be a bridge b/w the old regime & the future, each season that passes by is a year of his prime.

Besides Jrue Holiday, there aren't any two-way point PGs in Conley's tier that will be available within the next two summers. As of right now, the Spurs have the WORST point guard depth among ANY of the 16 playoff teams not named Houston.:lol (I don't mind PATFO maxing out Conley, if it means Porker gets traded)

The reality is that Porker isn't getting traded thus there won't be any PG upgrade until 2017 when PATFO could let Patty walk & bring back George Hill. We'll know what they plan to do w/ the frontcourt come June 30th, which is Diaw's judgement day. If Tim/Manu plan on coming back then Diaw would most likely not get waived & PATFO would only have the MLE to throw at a free-agent backup center.

[TD 21]

Basically, LMA is going to be past his prime by the time they retool the roster. He's at his PEAK so unless the plan is for him to be a bridge b/w the old regime & the future, each season that passes by his a year of his prime.

Besides Jrue Holiday, there aren't any two-way point PGs in Conley's tier that will be available within the next two summers. As of right now, the Spurs have the WORST point guard depth among ANY of the 16 playoff teams not named Houston.:lol (I don't mind PATFO maxing out Conley, if it means Porker gets traded)

The reality is that Porker isn't getting traded thus there won't be any PG upgrade until 2017 when PATFO could let Patty walk & bring back George Hill. We'll know what they plan to do w/ the frontcourt come June 30th, which is Diaw's judgement day. If Tim/Manu plan on coming back then Diaw would most likely not get waived & PATFO would only have the MLE to throw at a free-agent backup center.

Exactly. Aldridge obviously gives them a longer (albeit smaller) window than Duncan and Ginobili, but the future is still basically the present.

Sure, they're more than likely still not winning another championship even with Conley and the back half of his contract could easily be crippling, but he would increase their short term upside. The same goes for Horford.

If what Lowe claims is true (Williams might get 2/$30M), then he's obviously out of the Spurs range and not the type of piece they'd move someone they otherwise wouldn't to sign.

Dellavedova, even with their bloated payroll, they'd probably match anything short of astronomical and obviously any team would be foolish to commit that to him.

Even if they could be signed, they're not moving the needle. I'd rather pay Conley or Horford roughly $25M than 20+M for mediocrity.

This is what I mean though: It's easy to scoff at them and damn near everyone else, but much harder to come up with a better path to an outside shot at another championship.

[Kawhitstorm]

The UFA list is terrible, but it's not like this team is that far off..they were a couple of blown calls away from the WCFs..re-tooling the role players should suffice to keep them challenging for the WCFs without having to over-commit to "names" on long deals that probably wouldn't get them past the Warriors anyways..

It's going to be hard to "re-tool the role players" when an average starter is going to get 15 mill.:lol (Might as well get a quality max player & roll like the Heatles)

The team badly needs a point guard & the next best thing after Conley is Lin who is going to get paid. Porker peaked b/w 29-31 which would be the equivalent Conley's first 2 years under a new contract & he has way less mileage.

[Kawhitstorm]

Even if they could be signed, they're not moving the needle. I'd rather pay Conley or Horford roughly $25M than 20+M for mediocrity.

This is what I mean though: It's easy to scoff at them and damn near everyone else, but much harder to come up with a better path to an outside shot at another championship.

There is no way PATFO are trading Porker to clear cap space for Conley so 2016 is going to be the Pau lottery, maybe this poAst will finally get closure.:lol

I fully expect 'em to go after G.Hill in 2017 & figure out what they want to do w/ the rest of the roster once Tim/Manu are COMPLETELY out of the picture.

Looking at the next 3 FA classes, maybe Tim decides to hang it up this summer & Pau gets a 2yr/20 mill deal then PATFO decided to retool in 2018 when Porker becomes a free agent. Unless he gets traded, they might be able to steal Favors away from the Jazz considering they have Trey Lyles who's more of a 21st century PF & could be re-signed for a much cheaper deal. (They let Big Al/Boozer walk for nothing & they also let Millsap walk for nothing after refusing to trade him):lol

Your 2018-19 Spurs:

G. Hill
Danny
Kawhi
LMA
Favors

:lobt2:

[tholdren]

The only 2-way player that's in the Spurs budget & could be on PATFO's radar is Marvin Williams. As far as PGs, Delly is the next best 2-way player after Conley.:lol LOLOLOLOLOL

[AlexJones]

I don't think any of these players move the needle IMO, which is why I wouldn't commit to any major deals..I wouldn't be too mad at a potential Gasol signing(although I'd rather keep Duncan and take a flier on youth), since I assume it would be a 1, maybe 2-year deal, but I don't want them to kill their future by building a franchise around declining Mike Conley..

The UFA list is terrible, but it's not like this team is that far off..they were a couple of blown calls away from the WCFs..re-tooling the role players should suffice to keep them challenging for the WCFs without having to over-commit to "names" on long deals that probably wouldn't get them past the Warriors anyways..
Harlem u on GSW +1 tomorrow? I'll tail if yes

[coachmac87]

He's 28 or 29 years old(IIRC), physically breaking down, and his game relies entirely on his lateral quickness(defense-first PG) and speed(not a notable shooter or passer)..very, very risky to build you franchise and future around that..

There's risk in pretty much every signing..it's about capitalizing out Pops and LMA and Kawhi contracts. Conley isn't disgusting by any means tbh. Conley can get by defenders with his handle unlike and is a better passer than Parker. His shooting had actually improved through his career and I expect it'd continue.

Do I think Conley to Spurs is likely? No. But evaluating him as a player on this team..his strength are the Spurs weakness.

Again far from disgusting.

[MaNu4Tres]

This is exactly what I was getting at. This is just a general idea, but no realistic names are mentioned.

It's easy to scoff at Conley or Gasol or damn near anyone for one reason(s) or another, but you've got to state the alternative.


Here are some underrated/ overlooked versatile, athletic two way players I want SA to go after: Spurs could probably get great value on all of these guys as most of them just had let down years because of injury or lack of playing time because of minute heavy players ahead of them. I hope they can at-least get 1 or 2 guys I have my eyes on.

Center: Miles Plumlee (Restricted) - mobile C who can move feet on D in PnRs, protect rim, rebound, excellent diver in PnRs and different sets of motion. Likely won't be matched w/25+mil per committed to Monroe and Henson and w/ Parker increase of minutes next year. Great buy low opportunity.

PF/C: Terrence Jones (Restricted) - was a solid defender his first 3 years in league. Has ability to finish inside well, has great size , mobility, and great athleticism. Had a down year last year because of he had problems with a nerve in his leg. Perfect buy low opportunity -- good chance Rockets let him go.

SF/PF: Maurice Harkless (Restricted)- Three and D with hybrid SF- PF versatility. Underrated defender, good all around game. Hard to see Blazers matching both Harkless & Crabbe) Spurs may have a chance to get one.

SF/SG: Allen Crabbe (Restricted) - 3 & D wing w/ athleticism. See above

SF/PF: Solomon Hill - 3 & D wing w/size to play small ball 4. Underrated defender -- scrappy with good motor. Minutes were down this year, as is his value because of Paul Georges' return.

Other overlooked versatile players that I'm interested outside my top 5: Jonas Jerebko, E'Twaun Moore ( wld be improvement over Patty and hes an underrated defender).

Less skilled players I'm interested in for end of bench: Willie Reed (most upside), PJ Tucker (better centerpiece, LAs' kinfoke), Quincy Acy (surprisingly increased his range to 3 point line last yr, athletic, tough player).

[HarlemHeat37]

Harlem u on GSW +1 tomorrow? I'll tail if yes

Leaning yes, but haven't placed it, yet..

[tbdog]

Here are some underrated/ overlooked versatile, athletic two way players I want SA to go after: Spurs could probably get great value on all of these guys as most of them just had let down years because of injury or lack of playing time because of minute heavy players ahead of them. I hope they can at-least get 1 or 2 guys I have my eyes on.

Center: Miles Plumlee (Restricted) - mobile C who can move feet on D in PnRs, protect rim, rebound, excellent diver in PnRs and different sets of motion. Likely won't be matched w/25+mil per committed to Monroe and Henson and w/ Parker increase of minutes next year. Great buy low opportunity.

PF/C: Terrence Jones (Restricted) - was a solid defender his first 3 years in league. Has ability to finish inside well, has great size , mobility, and great athleticism. Had a down year last year because of he had problems with a nerve in his leg. Perfect buy low opportunity -- good chance Rockets let him go.

SF/PF: Maurice Harkless (Restricted)- Three and D with hybrid SF- PF versatility. Underrated defender, good all around game. Hard to see Blazers matching both Harkless & Crabbe) Spurs may have a chance to get one.

SF/SG: Allen Crabbe (Restricted) - 3 & D wing w/ athleticism. See above

SF/PF: Solomon Hill - 3 & D wing w/size to play small ball 4. Underrated defender -- scrappy with good motor. Minutes were down this year, as is his value because of Paul Georges' return.

Other overlooked versatile players that I'm interested outside my top 5: Jonas Jerebko, E'Twaun Moore ( wld be improvement over Patty and hes an underrated defender).

Less skilled players I'm interested in for end of bench: Willie Reed (most upside), PJ Tucker (better centerpiece, LAs' kinfoke), Quincy Acy (surprisingly increased his range to 3 point line last yr, athletic, tough player).

I prefer Gerald Henderson over Harkless. Also TJones was damn bad awful. I really like Quincy Acy. He actually suits our play style. Tucker, I like his game but is a bit of a headcase and doesn't suit our players personality.

[MaNu4Tres]

I prefer Gerald Henderson over Harkless. Also TJones was damn bad awful. I really like Quincy Acy. He actually suits our play style. Tucker, I like his game but is a bit of a headcase and doesn't suit our players personality.

Did you even read what I wrote about Jones?

[szkorhetz]

There is no way PATFO are trading Porker to clear cap space for Conley so 2016 is going to be the Pau lottery, maybe this poAst will finally get closure.:lol

I fully expect 'em to go after G.Hill in 2017 & figure out what they want to do w/ the rest of the roster once Tim/Manu are COMPLETELY out of the picture.

Looking at the next 3 FA classes, maybe Tim decides to hang it up this summer & Pau gets a 2yr/20 mill deal then PATFO decided to retool in 2018 when Porker becomes a free agent. Unless he gets traded, they might be able to steal Favors away from the Jazz considering they have Trey Lyles who's more of a 21st century PF & could be re-signed for a much cheaper deal. (They let Big Al/Boozer walk for nothing & they also let Millsap walk for nothing after refusing to trade him):lol

Your 2018-19 Spurs:

G. Hill
Danny
Kawhi
LMA
Favors

:lobt2:
We would give up some height with the Favors-LMA pairing, but I actually love it. Favors is a good defender especially in help defense, so it could easily hide some of LMA's shortcomings, while still open up some space with his midrange J. But his contract is not that bad that Jazz would just give it up.

[Kawhitstorm]

We would give up some height with the Favors-LMA pairing, but I actually love it. Favors is a good defender especially in help defense, so it could easily hide some of LMA's shortcomings, while still open up some space with his midrange J. But his contract is not that bad that Jazz would just give it up.

Favors will be a free agent in 2018 & would most likely ask for a max.

[Kawhitstorm]

Here are some underrated/ overlooked versatile, athletic two way players I want SA to go after: Spurs could probably get great value on all of these guys as most of them just had let down years because of injury or lack of playing time because of minute heavy players ahead of them. I hope they can at-least get 1 or 2 guys I have my eyes on.

Center: Miles Plumlee (Restricted) - mobile C who can move feet on D in PnRs, protect rim, rebound, excellent diver in PnRs and different sets of motion. Likely won't be matched w/25+mil per committed to Monroe and Henson and w/ Parker increase of minutes next year. Great buy low opportunity.

PF/C: Terrence Jones (Restricted) - was a solid defender his first 3 years in league. Has ability to finish inside well, has great size , mobility, and great athleticism. Had a down year last year because of he had problems with a nerve in his leg. Perfect buy low opportunity -- good chance Rockets let him go.

SF/PF: Maurice Harkless (Restricted)- Three and D with hybrid SF- PF versatility. Underrated defender, good all around game. Hard to see Blazers matching both Harkless & Crabbe) Spurs may have a chance to get one.

SF/SG: Allen Crabbe (Restricted) - 3 & D wing w/ athleticism. See above

SF/PF: Solomon Hill - 3 & D wing w/size to play small ball 4. Underrated defender -- scrappy with good motor. Minutes were down this year, as is his value because of Paul Georges' return.

Other overlooked versatile players that I'm interested outside my top 5: Jonas Jerebko, E'Twaun Moore ( wld be improvement over Patty and hes an underrated defender).

Less skilled players I'm interested in for end of bench: Willie Reed (most upside), PJ Tucker (better centerpiece, LAs' kinfoke), Quincy Acy (surprisingly increased his range to 3 point line last yr, athletic, tough player).

A bunch of wings & hybrid forwards who aren't that much of an upgrade over Fathead, Simmons & Diaw especially dollar for dollar. Blazers have a ton of cap space so they could re-sign Crabbe/Harkless using their Bird Rights after they address their starting PF/C issue using their cap space.

I like Moore as the 4th guard, he's like a poor man's George Hill.

[MaNu4Tres]

A bunch of wings & hybrid forwards who aren't that much of an upgrade over Fathead, Simmons & Diaw especially dollar for dollar. Blazers have a ton of cap space so they could re-sign Crabbe/Harkless using their Bird Rights after they address their starting PF/C issue using their cap space.

I like Moore as the 4th guard, he's like a poor man's George Hill.

Aren't that much of an upgrade? Fathead isn't close from an athletic standpoint and he doesn't compare to Harkless, Crabbe or Solomon from a defensive perspective either.

And in Diaws' case, he can't defend anymore but he'll likely be gone anyway -- so his spot will be open and not sure why you included him -- he's pretty irrelevant after reading Buck Harveys' article.

Harkless and Crabbe are restricted, but I hope Spurs go after one of them on modest deal in 6-7 mil per range. Hard to imagine Blazers matching both -- if Blazers match so be it, move on . I'm just pointing out the players in free agency that are overlooked, that are versatile, and that are able to defend more than one position well -- all while being able to be effective without the ball on offense. These are the type of players Spurs need to be going for and not great names who NEED the ball and can't play defense (Gasol).

I also hope Spurs shop around Anderson for a late 1st/ early 2nd round pick to free up competition between Bertans and an upgrade from Anderson (via Free Agency). I'd prefer Harkless -- he could be the back up PF/SF (depending on match-ups). He would give the Spurs the third perimeter defender they desperately need and add tremendous defensive versatility. I'd take Solomon Hill over Anderson as well for the same reasons.

In regards to Simmons, I think if Manu retires, Simmons will win/earn the back up SG spot. He has the physical traits to be a nice defender, he just needs to gain more confidence and be more sure of himself to help his mental approach. He shot the ball from three well last year despite being reluctant to really let it rip. He also has a great game when reacting to hard close outs off the catch -- he finished inside strong or found his open teammate better than anyone on the team not named Kawhi, Manu, and Tony this past season.

I like Moore too, the guy is as tough as nails and has improved every year in the league. I have a feeling teams have caught up on him and a team like the Knicks may overbid.

In my perfect world, I'd love for Spurs to bring in Plumlee on a 2+1 deal for 4-5 mil per and Harkless on 4 yr deal for 32-35 mil (only way to get Por to include 4 years IMO). I'm high on Harkless -- he's only 23 and you could see the lights finally turn on for him in the playoffs in stints-- he's about to turn the corner and be a solid, two way, hybrid player in this league. With the remaining space of 5-6 mil on Aldrich or try bringing over Milutinov. Before that happens I'd do everything I can to use Diaw/Mills/Kyle Anderson to bring in an upgrade at PG position.

[cd021]

No way an ego as big as Gasol's accepts a pay cut and coming off the bench regularly and he hasn't been able to play power forward in years.

While difficult to say exactly what it'll cost, I'm thinking roughly $10M. Whatever the case, he'd obviously be the starting center.

Well aware that center is his best position. If the rotational bigs are LMA, West, Boban, and Gasol I do not like the idea of pairing him and LMA together. Gasol is still an excellent offensive player and can board but the only area that he is really passable on defense is post defense. He has long arms and can block shots on a fairly consistent basis but I would rather Boban start and play the Blair role ( about 18mpg) Gasol would still get 25mpg+ and could play for long stretches but would play about 14 of those minutes against backups and have his deficiencies minimized.

Interesting enough he had the best defensive rtg on any of Chicago's bigs ,including Gibson, at 101. If he posted such a low rtg on such a mediocre defensive team (The Bulls were 15th in Defensive Rtg) then maybe the Spurs could figure out how to have a top tier defense with him playing 28-30 mpg.

$10 M on a $92M cap (9.2 %) is actually below the mid level when compared to this years MLE, which was about 12.8.% of the cap. At 17 ppg, and 11 rpg he is definitely worth more than $10 M probably closer to $12M. $6 was more wishful thinking than anything. If my scenario plays out like that I am not sure I would want go that high for him, I would also expect him to want a two year deal which would affect 2017.

I wonder if the Spurs could swing swap of Diaw for Taj Gibson ,in place of Gasol. Not sure if Chi would go for it straight up but Diaw is $2 million cheaper this year, granted Diaw is making $7 Million after next season but it is only partially guaranteed.

He is an above average defender, good midrange shooter, a good athlete and a couple of years younger than Diaw.

[Kawhitstorm]

Aren't that much of an upgrade? Fathead isn't close from an athletic standpoint and he doesn't compare to Harkless, Crabbe or Solomon from a defensive perspective either.

I was more so talking about the rest of the guys other than Crabbe/Harkless who I think the Blazers will retain. Solomon isn't that much better than Simmons.


And in Diaws' case, he can't defend anymore but he'll likely be gone anyway -- so his spot will be open and not sure why you included him -- he's pretty irrelevant after reading Buck Harveys' article.

It depends on whether or not Tim/Manu are going to retire. If they are going to opt-in then PATFO are better served using the MLE rather than waiving Diaw just to free up a meager 4 mill.


Harkless and Crabbe are restricted, but I hope Spurs go after one of them on modest deal in 6-7 mil per range. Hard to imagine Blazers matching both -- if Blazers match so be it, move on

The Blazers are more likely to let Gerald Henderson walk than the younger combo of Harkless/Crabbe when they have the cap space (40 mill) & their Bird Rights considering they aren't going to get better/cheaper replacements. They might let Meyers Leonard walk since they have Vonleh/Plumlee on top of whomever they will be pursing in free agency (Ezeli?)


I'm just pointing out the players in free agency that are overlooked, that are versatile, and that are able to defend more than one position well -- all while being able to be effective without the ball on offense. These are the type of players Spurs need to be going for and not great names who NEED the ball and can't play defense (Gasol).

If PATFO plan on big fish hunting in 2018, they could use Pau as a stop gap for 2 years (assuming Tim retires this summer). The team isn't winning shyt w/ Porker at the helms so might as well wait it out till 2018 & catch a big fish. Next summer, Patty will be a free-agent & Diaw's contract is COMPLETELY unguaranteed so they could pick up someone like George Hill to upgrade the PG spot. Then in 2018, they can take a shot at Favors & maybe Chris Paul will be ring chasing.:lol


I also hope Spurs shop around Anderson for a late 2nd round pick to free up competition between Bertans and an upgrade from Anderson (via Free Agency). I'd prefer Harkless -- he could be the back up PF/SF (depending on match-ups). He would give the Spurs the third perimeter defender they desperately need and add tremendous defensive versatility. I'd take Solomon Hill over Anderson as well for the same reasons.

Fathead has a cheap contract so it wouldn't make sense to dump him when he can eat up minutes in the regular season unless PATFO just want to re-tool w/ role players rather than chasing a big fish. IMO, Kyle will be on the roster until his rookie contract runs out ala Blair.


In regards to Simmons, I think if Manu retires, Simmons will win/earn the back up SG spot. He has the physical traits to be a nice defender, he just needs to gain more confidence and be more sure of himself to help his mental approach. He shot the ball from three well last year despite being reluctant to really let it rip. He also has a great game when reacting to hard close outs off the catch -- he finished inside strong or found his open teammate better than anyone on the team not named Kawhi, Manu, and Tony this past season.

If Manu retires then Simmons is going to get those Devin Brown minutes.:lol


In my perfect world, I'd love for Spurs to bring in Plumlee on a 2+1 deal for 4-5 mil per and Harkless on 4 yr deal for 32-35 mil (only way to get Por to include 4 years IMO). I'm high on Harkless -- he's only 23 and you could see the lights finally turn on for him in the playoffs in stints-- he's about to turn the corner and be a solid, two way, hybrid player in this league. With the remaining space of 5-6 mil on Aldrich or try bringing over Milutinov. Before that happens I'd do everything I can to use Diaw/Mills/Kyle Anderson to bring in an upgrade at PG position.

If PATFO plan on going after KD in 2017 then they will probably bring back the crew & sign a rotation player for the MLE (most likely a backup center: 1yr for Mozgov?).

[SAGirl]

Aren't that much of an upgrade? Fathead isn't close from an athletic standpoint and he doesn't compare to Harkless, Crabbe or Solomon from a defensive perspective either.

And in Diaws' case, he can't defend anymore but he'll likely be gone anyway -- so his spot will be open and not sure why you included him -- he's pretty irrelevant after reading Buck Harveys' article.

Harkless and Crabbe are restricted, but I hope Spurs go after one of them on modest deal in 6-7 mil per range. Hard to imagine Blazers matching both -- if Blazers match so be it, move on . I'm just pointing out the players in free agency that are overlooked, that are versatile, and that are able to defend more than one position well -- all while being able to be effective without the ball on offense. These are the type of players Spurs need to be going for and not great names who NEED the ball and can't play defense (Gasol).

I also hope Spurs shop around Anderson for a late 2nd round pick to free up competition between Bertans and an upgrade from Anderson (via Free Agency). I'd prefer Harkless -- he could be the back up PF/SF (depending on match-ups). He would give the Spurs the third perimeter defender they desperately need and add tremendous defensive versatility. I'd take Solomon Hill over Anderson as well for the same reasons.

In regards to Simmons, I think if Manu retires, Simmons will win/earn the back up SG spot. He has the physical traits to be a nice defender, he just needs to gain more confidence and be more sure of himself to help his mental approach. He shot the ball from three well last year despite being reluctant to really let it rip. He also has a great game when reacting to hard close outs off the catch -- he finished inside strong or found his open teammate better than anyone on the team not named Kawhi, Manu, and Tony this past season.

I like Moore too, the guy is as tough as nails and has improved every year in the league. I have a feeling teams have caught up on him and a team like the Knicks may overbid.

In my perfect world, I'd love for Spurs to bring in Plumlee on a 2+1 deal for 4-5 mil per and Harkless on 4 yr deal for 32-35 mil (only way to get Por to include 4 years IMO). I'm high on Harkless -- he's only 23 and you could see the lights finally turn on for him in the playoffs in stints-- he's about to turn the corner and be a solid, two way, hybrid player in this league. With the remaining space of 5-6 mil on Aldrich or try bringing over Milutinov. Before that happens I'd do everything I can to use Diaw/Mills/Kyle Anderson to bring in an upgrade at PG position.
You can hate on Anderson all you want bc it's your prerogative but he's not getting traded for a second round pick. Your personal evaluation of him does not correspond with PATFO who has given him time to develop as he did with Cojo, who was always underrated while he was here but he could play ball. It's more likely they let him develop and see what they really have there than trade him for basically a roster spot bc he's in a very cheap contract and the guys you could get for what he is paid will not give you comparable production. Once you keep spouting nonsense wanting to trade him fir a second round pick I just can't take anything else you suggest seriously.

Now if he's part of a package with someone else for an upgrade that would make sense, but to just trade him bc you don't think he has any value to the organization right now is flat out stupid.

[TheGreatYacht]

Cory Joseph played defense and attacked the rim, though.

[MaNu4Tres]

You can hate on Anderson all you want bc it's your prerogative but he's not getting traded for a second round pick. Your personal evaluation of him does not correspond with PATFO who has given him time to develop as he did with Cojo, who was always underrated while he was here but he could play ball. It's more likely they let him develop and see what they really have there than trade him for basically a roster spot bc he's in a very cheap contract and the guys you could get for what he is paid will not give you comparable production. Once you keep spouting nonsense wanting to trade him fir a second round pick I just can't take anything else you suggest seriously.

Now if he's part of a package with someone else for an upgrade that would make sense, but to just trade him bc you don't think he has any value to the organization right now is flat out stupid.

I meant late 1st/ early 2nd round pick for Anderson.. It was a typo. The draft has great potential role players in that late 1st to early-mid 2nd round range. Actually one of the best drafts for quality role player potential I've seen from 20-50 range in the past 10-15 years.

Spurs would be better off starting off clean with a new talented rookie on a 3-4 year cheap rookie deal than stick w/ Anderson another year or two. Why is that?

His rookie deal is up in few years and Spurs will either try to trade him now or next year to get value for him before they let him walk in free agency -- where some desperate team may see potential that isn't there because he lacks any kind of motor or athletic ability to reach another level (its 2016 not 1980). If Spurs aren't sold on him becoming a key top 6-8 player on the contender team they're trying to build -- its best to field offers now when he has value before they simply let him walk in Free Agency and have nothing to show for him.

[TD 21]

There is no way PATFO are trading Porker to clear cap space for Conley so 2016 is going to be the Pau lottery, maybe this poAst will finally get closure.:lol

I know, Conley was just an example.


Center: Miles Plumlee (Restricted) - mobile C who can move feet on D in PnRs, protect rim, rebound, excellent diver in PnRs and different sets of motion. Likely won't be matched w/25+mil per committed to Monroe and Henson and w/ Parker increase of minutes next year. Great buy low opportunity.

PF/C: Terrence Jones (Restricted) - was a solid defender his first 3 years in league. Has ability to finish inside well, has great size , mobility, and great athleticism. Had a down year last year because of he had problems with a nerve in his leg. Perfect buy low opportunity -- good chance Rockets let him go.

SF/PF: Maurice Harkless (Restricted)- Three and D with hybrid SF- PF versatility. Underrated defender, good all around game. Hard to see Blazers matching both Harkless & Crabbe) Spurs may have a chance to get one.

SF/SG: Allen Crabbe (Restricted) - 3 & D wing w/ athleticism. See above

SF/PF: Solomon Hill - 3 & D wing w/size to play small ball 4. Underrated defender -- scrappy with good motor. Minutes were down this year, as is his value because of Paul Georges' return.

Other overlooked versatile players that I'm interested outside my top 5: Jonas Jerebko, E'Twaun Moore ( wld be improvement over Patty and hes an underrated defender).

Less skilled players I'm interested in for end of bench: Willie Reed (most upside), PJ Tucker (better centerpiece, LAs' kinfoke), Quincy Acy (surprisingly increased his range to 3 point line last yr, athletic, tough player).

I don't see Crabbe and Harkless being attainable barring an astronomical offer.

If the Rockets get something significant done, Jones may be attainable, but even with him seemingly falling out of favor, it's still going to take something relatively significant to pry him away.

Whether the Celtics pick up Jerebko's option likely depends on if they can get something significant done.

Tucker is not an end of bench type; he's a rotation player and as such, he'll cost a relatively significant amount.

Plumlee, Hill, Moore, Reed and Acy, are all attainable and depending on a variety of factors, I'd be fine with them in certain roles, but they're not moving the needle.



Well aware that center is his best position. If the rotational bigs are LMA, West, Boban, and Gasol I do not like the idea of pairing him and LMA together. Gasol is still an excellent offensive player and can board but the only area that he is really passable on defense is post defense. He has long arms and can block shots on a fairly consistent basis but I would rather Boban start and play the Blair role ( about 18mpg) Gasol would still get 25mpg+ and could play for long stretches but would play about 14 of those minutes against backups and have his deficiencies minimized.

Interesting enough he had the best defensive rtg on any of Chicago's bigs ,including Gibson, at 101. If he posted such a low rtg on such a mediocre defensive team (The Bulls were 15th in Defensive Rtg) then maybe the Spurs could figure out how to have a top tier defense with him playing 28-30 mpg.

$10 M on a $92M cap (9.2 %) is actually below the mid level when compared to this years MLE, which was about 12.8.% of the cap. At 17 ppg, and 11 rpg he is definitely worth more than $10 M probably closer to $12M. $6 was more wishful thinking than anything. If my scenario plays out like that I am not sure I would want go that high for him, I would also expect him to want a two year deal which would affect 2017.

I wonder if the Spurs could swing swap of Diaw for Taj Gibson ,in place of Gasol. Not sure if Chi would go for it straight up but Diaw is $2 million cheaper this year, granted Diaw is making $7 Million after next season but it is only partially guaranteed.

He is an above average defender, good midrange shooter, a good athlete and a couple of years younger than Diaw.

Center is not only Gasol's "best position", it's his only position at this point.

There's no way those four will make up the rotational bigs. That would be a ton of money (if West doesn't retire, there's no reason to think he won't opt out and want a significant raise) for a group that would possess even less range/mobility than the four from this season.

If you don't like the idea of a Aldridge/Gasol pairing, then you don't like the idea of Gasol on the Spurs, because that's the only role he'd sign for.

He might very well be able to command $12M; $10M is just a guess. With how much he's made, if he really wants to be a Spur and contend again, then he'll have to be cognizant of the fact that they have limited financial resources and a need in the back court too.

A Diaw for Gibson trade wouldn't really accomplish anything for the Bulls, so I doubt they'd have interest.

[MaNu4Tres]

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I don't see Crabbe and Harkless being attainable barring an astronomical offer.



I don't think people, including yourself, are taking into account that they could possibly want to build onto last years core by adding bigger fish around them, instead of just shelling out money for complacency outside of internal growth. I could see them rather spending money on upgrades like Horford, Clarkson (6th man), Ryan Anderson, Harrison Barnes, Evan Turner, offering Al Jefferson a hefty 1+1 deal, ect. Better options are out there and they have the money to do it. If not or if they whiff on bigger free agents this summer , I'm sure Olshey is well aware of next summer and may be hesitant to take on Harkless/Crabbe for 6-8 mil per for 4 years because they still have to pay Plumlee and CJ rather soon.

[TD 21]

I don't think people, including yourself, are taking into account that they could possibly want to build onto last years core by adding bigger fish around them, instead of just shelling out money for complacency outside of internal growth. I could see them rather spending money on upgrades like Horford, Clarkson (6th man), Ryan Anderson, Harrison Barnes, Evan Turner, offering Al Jefferson a hefty 1+1 deal, ect. Better options are out there and they have the money to do it. If not or if they whiff on bigger free agents this summer , I'm sure Olshey is well aware of next summer and may be hesitant to take on Harkless/Crabbe for 6-8 mil per for 4 years because they still have to pay Plumlee and CJ rather soon.

I don't know why the vast majority think quality RFA's are actually available. The reality is, they almost never are, oftentimes even if the number required to retain them is astronomical, if for no other reason than asset retention.

It's possible what you say comes to fruition, but by far the most likely outcome, is them being re-signed.

Besides, the Spurs have limited financial flexibility (sure, there's plenty of potential paths to opening up more, but outside of maybe Diaw, they're all unlikely) and core needs. They can't afford to splurge on role players and even if they did, they're not moving the needle.

[Kawhitstorm]

If not or if they whiff on bigger free agents this summer , I'm sure Olshey is well aware of next summer and may be hesitant to take on Harkless/Crabbe for 6-8 mil per for 4 years because they still have to pay Plumlee and CJ rather soon.

I don't think they will re-sign Plumlee next season if they pick up a rim protector this summer since they have Vonleh/Ed Davis under contract. Plumlee is 26 & is probably going to get overpaid next summer since the center market will be pretty dry. They could re-sign Harkless & play him at the 4 spot while Crabbe would be their 6th man for the near future.

They might also trade CJ b/c the Lillard/CJ backcourt might be the worst defensive combo on any playoff team.

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't think they will re-sign Plumlee next season if they pick up a rim protector this summer since they have Vonleh/Ed Davis under contract. Plumlee is 26 & is probably going to get overpaid next summer since the center market will be pretty dry. They could re-sign Harkless & play him at the 4 spot while Crabbe would be their 6th man for the near future.

They might also trade CJ b/c the Lillard/CJ backcourt might be the worst defensive combo on any playoff team.

People think differently.

Bottom line. If TD/Manu retire, I hope Spurs do not bring back most players (West: opts out don't re-sign him, Mills (look to package for upgrade at PG) , Diaw (look to package to upgrade PG or waive him), Martin, Miller, Bonner) and just add Gasol -- they'll take a step back and be starting the process a year later than they should have.

Spurs need to go after two-way youth and athleticism now, because that's the only way they'll have a chance with the Warriors and OKC next year anyway and for the next 3 years.

I hate the idea of just putting everything on pause for a year or two and plug in a player like 36 year old Gasol. It just prolongs the direction they inevitably need to go to compete with OKC and GS year in and year out for the next 5 years.

And yes, I believe with subtle moves, bringing in the right underrated, athletic, two-way role players that fit around the Aldridge, Kawhi, Green nucleus could be all they need. They were close last year w/ OKC despite the old role players like West, Duncan, Manu, Mills, Diaw all shitting the bed on both ends. And some of yall want to bring them back and just add another 36 year old player who can't play defense and that NEEDS the ball to have any type of value on the court? Makes no sense to me.

[Kawhitstorm]

And yes, I believe with subtle moves, bringing in the right underrated, athletic, two-way role players that fit around the Aldridge, Kawhi, Green nucleus could be all they need. They were close last year w/ OKC despite the old role players like West, Duncan, Manu, Mills, Diaw all shitting the bed.

The Spurs match up much better w/ OKC than GSW, Porker/Patty were able to hide on Roberson/Foye/Payne (even then they got burnt at times::lol) & their bench was solely dependent on Waiters as far as playmaking. They shutdown LMA after Gm 2 even though it took them 8 quarters to realize that is Ibaka a shitty post defender (LMA might drop 40 on 40 shots against Draymond/Bogut/Ezeli).:lol The Spurs also struggled against OKC's PnR & D-Worst/LMA were getting raped when they switched even without OKC making an emphasis to exploit it unlike GSW:

-Ibaka was getting WIDE OPEN looks EVERY time they put LMA in a PnR
-Adams was getting dunks or WestBrick was getting a WIDE OPEN mid-range shots EVERY time they put Tim in a PnR
-How many times did D-Worst/Patty end up getting switched onto Durant when he was running the 2nd unit?:lol

..the Spurs should have beaten a low IQ OKC team who weren't exploiting the Spurs weakness (besides crashing the boards) & kept trying to attack the DPOY w/ WestBrick while LMA just chills on defense.:lol

As far as GSW:

Tim was essentially unplayable against GSW in the regular season & D-Worst got raped in the paint worse than he did against OKC. The X-Factor was Diaw who played ZERO defense in the playoffs & feasted on Barnes (rather than Draymond ) in the Spurs' lone win.

The Spurs struggled mightily in the regular season to score against GSW even when they were cruising, imagine Porker/Kawhi/LMA/Diaw trying to score on Klay/Iggy/Bogut/Ezeli/Draymond w/ that 90s ISO ball offense. Curry would also have been resting on defense while hiding on Danny.

They also have Livingston to lockup Manu & Barbosa would have mauled Patty considering how he's giving Delly that work.

**Again, the Spurs aren't beating GSW w/ Porker at the helms so any signing that doesn't involve in him getting moved is pointless & would screw-up the cap-space if PATFO want to go after a marquee FA**'

Basically, if Porker isn't getting moved then sign Pau as a stop gap then splurged in 2018. In the mean time, if GSW gets bounced by OKC (ala the Spurs avoiding Mavs in '07 & OKC in '13) then that roster would still have a shot against OKC especially if PATFO can upgrade Patty even w/ someone like Moore. D-Worst would be addition by subtraction & Diaw might decide to actually earn his paycheck. Pop couldn't coach any worse either.:lol (It's not like Pau replacing 40 yr old Tim w/ two busted knees is the equivalent of C-Webb replacing Ben Wallace)

PATFO need to take note from Danny Ainge & the Celtics about cutting bait w/ aging players:

The "Big 3" era Celtics lucked out & almost beat the Heatles in 2012 when Bosh was only available for the final 3 games of the series. Ray Allen saw it as a fluke & signed w/ the Heat while the Celtics integrated "two-way players" (Jeff Green/Courtney Lee/Avery Bradley) into their rotation along w/ adding Terry as a Ray Allen's replacement & got a reality check even before Rondo go injured. Not giving a fuck about loyality, Ainge got himself a haul for KG/Pierce & tried to build around Rondo who got exposed as a fake franchise player. Even then Ainge got Crowder & a 1st rd pick which has allowed them to fasttrack their rebuilding process.

The good thing for the Spurs is that Kawhi happens to be a LEGIT franchise cornerstone unlike Rondo & they don't need to recruit a wing-man (just need a LEGIT 3rd wheel, preferably a point-guard) since they already got one last summer. All they have to do is dump Diaw/Porker/Patty & send Tim/Tony to their retirement homes so they can retool the roster on the fly otherwise a Spurs/GSW series is going to end up like the 2011 Heat/Celtics series.

[cutewizard]

just reflecting on the past.......

[jermaine]

just reflecting on the past.......

Really Nicca! Really! Its to damn early to be playing gms son..

[ducks]

it is happening

[Kawhitstorm]

Pau blocks shots b/c players challenge him otherwise I've seen him waving in players to the paint like D-West when he ISN'T at the rim: http://www.blogabull.com/2015/12/30/10684272/is-pau-gasol-a-good-defender

:wakeup

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

lets get perkins

:lmao wtf?

[Kawhitstorm]

Pau blocks shots b/c players challenge him otherwise I've seen him waving in players to the paint like D-West when he ISN'T at the rim: http://www.blogabull.com/2015/12/30/10684272/is-pau-gasol-a-good-defender

[SAGirl]

^^
I have seen the waving in for sure ...

[313]

Barely wanted him two years ago. Pass. We need to get younger not older.

[MaNu4Tres]

People think differently.


I hate the idea of just putting everything on pause for a year or two and plug in a player like 36 year old Gasol. It just prolongs the direction they inevitably need to go to compete with OKC and GS year in and year out for the next 5 years.

And yes, I believe with subtle moves, bringing in the right underrated, athletic, two-way role players that fit around the Aldridge, Kawhi, Green nucleus could be all they need. They were close last year w/ OKC despite the old role players like West, Duncan, Manu, Mills, Diaw all shitting the bed on both ends. And some of yall want to bring them back and just add another 36 year old player who can't play defense and that NEEDS the ball to have any type of value on the court? Makes no sense to me.



You can only play big vs. Warriors if your bigs can defend well on the perimeter and PnRs -- while rebounding well (having personnel like this negates their efficiency just enough to have a chance; I.E Adams/Ibaka and OKC).

In Gasol's case, he can't defend well vs. a team like them -- not even close. Warriors will create the best shots possible with him on the floor (dunks, back door lay ups, open 3's) while Spurs won't be able to manufacture the same on their end w/ inefficient endless ISO's and Gasols' West-like Pick and Pops (which is most of his game these days). In the long run, that is a recipe for disaster.

It will be a mistake if Spurs allocate half or more of their space for a player that can't play or be a net positive against their toughest competition.

Outside of another perimeter play-maker, Spurs need to surround Kawhi/LA with athletic players that can defend and that don't need the ball on offense to be effective.

:wakeup

[spursistan]

just a terrible move man...What in the hell were they thinking if he wasn't going to stay on court vs the top 5 teams in the league (Timmy was actually pretty useful vs LAC/CLE)?

He can still dish few nifty passes here and there at the top of the key (doesn't command double teams anymore), but his offensive production has been hollow for most part---nothing that would offset his dumpster fire effort on the other end..

[spursistan]

Spurs really lucky Dedmon/Lee are playing above expectations; this thing would have been uglier if they stuck with D'Worst/Diaw combo....

[024]

Gasol would make sense if the Spurs can get him for a low price.

Gasol's PNR defense has gone down the toilet though. Cant believe this isnt mentoned more, but I guess no one watches many Bulls games this year. He'll be a defensive liability against the teams that matter like OKC and the warriors.

Yeah, he put up good stats on a mediocre team that didn't have many options at center. But his defense has become a liability. And at 36 years old, it's only going to get worse.
Hard to imagine Pau will be here next year eating up $16 million in cap space just so the Spurs can get repeatedly gutted by the PnR.

[tholdren]

And to remind you boners what I said 2 years ago:


http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tholdren (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7502061#post7502061)
I hope Gaysoft will go to the Bulls, hes slow, terrible on defense, and really has nothing offer us, other than Spur-fans thinking this is vintage Gasol. I would rather give the PT to Baynes, a hungry player, who shows more grit than either Tiago or Pau.

Bulls replace a weak playoff big, with an aging big, who cares.

Eat it.

[timtonymanu]

This ship should have sailed when he said no the first time. Instead, they pick him up when he's two years older than the last time and even more slow.

[Ice009]

Couldn't they have lost his number.

[SAGirl]

This ship should have sailed when he said no the first time. Instead, they pick him up when he's two years older than the last time and even more slow.
And now added 2 more seasons....ughhh

[SAGirl]

This thread is a c!assic . A lot of interesting takes here.

[tholdren]

People are severely underrating Gasol IMO. Sure, the situation in LA was awful (playing with Kobe, then not playing with him and having Kobe heckle you from the bench/twitter). But when Gasol was engaged he was still doing impressive things.

Lolololol idiot

[tholdren]

Gasol has been awful since 2011. He's not worth the price and the amount of minutes he wants.

This from2014

[DPG21920]

Lolololol idiot

Pau was the best 3PT shooting big in the league - he did pretty well.

[tholdren]

Pau was the best 3PT shooting big in the league - he did pretty well.

Jesus. Blue font it at least.