Spurs contact Pau Gasol reportedly

[Mr. Body]

I think the Spurs are somewhat interested, but I think they are really just trying to drive up Pau's price.

All they can offer is the MLE. Not sure that's driving up the price anywhere.

[tmtcsc]

All they can offer is the MLE. Not sure that's driving up the price anywhere.

The can amnesty Perkins and give Pau more $$ afterwards.

[xmas1997]

Now ESPN just said that if Gasol goes to the Spurs, it would be scary, very scary, for the rest of the league, but he would have to take the MLE.
Nothing we, and certainly Gasol, and the rest of the league for that matter, does not already know.

[Ron Swanson]

Wait, I thought ESPN said we're out of consideration for Gasol. They don't know shit.

[xmas1997]

Nothing but "speculation" from everyone. No one knows shit right now IMHO.

[Mr. Body]

The can amnesty Perkins and give Pau more $$ afterwards.

OKC's ownership is very tight fisted and doesn't like just cutting a guy, while still paying him, while taking on more salary.

[Knoxxx]

The can amnesty Perkins and give Pau more $$ afterwards.Fail. That gets them down to $60 million with cap at $63 and they lose mid level exception and have LESS to pay Gasol. Miami if their big 3 take significant pay cuts or back to Lakers if he only cares about money seem most likely cases.

[tmtcsc]

Fail. That gets them down to $60 million with cap at $63 and they lose mid level exception and have LESS to pay Gasol. Miami if their big 3 take significant pay cuts or back to Lakers if he only cares about money seem most likely cases.

Welp, there goes that.

[AFBlue]

People sayin Pau wouldn't be a good fit are fucking retarded..Spurs obviously think he'd fit in just fine....and they're thoughts are the only one that matters. Getting Gasol is a steal with the MLE. Spurs may not be going hard at him like other teams..but he'd fit fine.


So shit the hell up and let the FO do their job

Obviously the Spurs FO has the opinion that matters, but that shouldn't stop people from providing their opinion on a public forum designed to encourage discussion and debate around topics relevant to the site's purpose. Honestly, who's the fucking retard?

[AFBlue]

And the "fit" concern, at least as it pertains to me, has nothing to go with Pau's individual talent level or skill set. In a vacuum he fits very nicely. It's when you integrate him with two other Centers that likely can't share much time on the floor together without being exposed defensively that has me concerned. And while it's true that he'd add offensive production, I'd challenge the notion that "we'd score 140". There's only so many minutes to split between so many players, and there's only one ball.

Not saying it can't be done...just saying I don't think it's as great an overall roster fit as some others.

[vander]

what if we traded Splitter for Gasol (front loaded deal) and a 1st round pick from LA? would that be an improvement assuming we could then lure Marc next year?

[Dex]

what if we traded Splitter for Gasol (front loaded deal) and a 1st round pick from LA? would that be an improvement assuming we could then lure Marc next year?

I'd rather have Splitter's defense than Gasol's offense.

[vander]

I'd rather have Splitter's defense than Gasol's offense.

me too I think, but if we also get marc and a mid first rounder out of it...

[dunkman]

Pau is probably done in LA, per Woj:

https://twitter.com/FOXSportsLive/status/484544555358756865

[DPG21920]

Fail. That gets them down to $60 million with cap at $63 and they lose mid level exception and have LESS to pay Gasol. Miami if their big 3 take significant pay cuts or back to Lakers if he only cares about money seem most likely cases.

Not true - they won't lose the MLE if that's the case.

[tmtcsc]

And the "fit" concern, at least as it pertains to me, has nothing to go with Pau's individual talent level or skill set. In a vacuum he fits very nicely. It's when you integrate him with two other Centers that likely can't share much time on the floor together without being exposed defensively that has me concerned. And while it's true that he'd add offensive production, I'd challenge the notion that "we'd score 140". There's only so many minutes to split between so many players, and there's only one ball.

Not saying it can't be done...just saying I don't think it's as great an overall roster fit as some others.

I think by adding Pau to the equation, you strengthen your depth and lessen minutes on Timmy. You also set yourself up to exploit whoever you are matched up with. Can you imagine subbing Tim with Pau? Or starting Pau with Tim when it suits the matchup? Holy crap.

I want Diaw re-signed first and if Pau wants to come along for the MLE - it would be awesome. Either way, we don't need him but would be better with him.

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Pau Gasol Addendum No. 2: Hearing Pau, as with OKC, indeed giving legit consideration to San Antonio if he looks at places where $ is scarce

[Agloco]

No shit. Dude sleepwalked to 17 ppg and 10 rpg last season.

Spurs aren't going to get him, but it's good form to check in.

I see it both ways tbh. Kinda like the way you dont discount a Ferrari up front. Keep the price marked up if you will. Gasol is on record as wanting a legitimate shot at a ring next season, finances be damned. IMO the only places that can happen realistically are OKC, Miami and SA. All three of those teams can/will offer something at or near the MLE.

We will find out how serious he is about a ring based on what he accepts. At any rate, if we want both Boris and Pau, we're most likely into the tax area.

[Mel_13]

I see it both ways tbh. Kinda like the way you dont discount a Ferrari up front. Keep the price marked up if you will. Gasol is on record as wanting a legitimate shot at a ring next season. IMO the only places that can happen realistically are OKC, Miami and SA. All three of those teams can/will offer something at or near the MLE.

We will find out how serious he is about a ring based on what he accepts. At any rate, if we want both Boris and Pau, we're most likely into the tax area.

Even with Boris at 10M and Pau for the full MLE, the Spurs would still be below the tax.

[Agloco]

Even with Boris at 10M and Pau for the full MLE, the Spurs would still be below the tax.

Shows you what I know.......carry on.

Errr, you think Boris will get 10per? Or was that to simply make a point?

[Mel_13]

Shows you what I know.......carry on.

Errr, you think Boris will get 10per? Or was that to simply make a point?

Just to show that the tax isn't a real concern for the team this year.

My guess for Boris has been 3yrs/21M.

[Agloco]

:tu

I was thinking the same (for Boris). What's your take on Paus fit with the Spurs? What's the right price IYO?

[raybies]

Yes I wrote another Pau piece. Just for further reading and to practice writing.

http://spurshomer.blogspot.com/2014/07/10-reasons-pau-gasol-should-sign-with.html

[xmas1997]

With the signing of Dirk by the Mavs for 10 mil (3 years-30mil), do not be surprised to see the Mavs go after Pau now too.

[FkLA]

A Duncan-Splitter-MVPau-Diaw bigman rotation would be so cot damn nasty.

Come to San Antonio, Paulito.

[xtremesteven33]

Gasol and Duncan would be sick. It wouldnt be fair to other teams. Defensively Pau is good when he is motivated and has rim protection from a true Center. Duncan will be considered a PF but he will protect the rim.Having Gasol could extend Duncans career another year.

[slick'81]

That's what I thought of if some chance spurs got gasol Timmy could probably go another year or two easy next to pau and splitter

[CGD]

With the signing of Dirk by the Mavs for 10 mil (3 years-30mil), do not be surprised to see the Mavs go after Pau now too.

Pau to the mavs made a lot of sense before they traded for chandler.

[xmas1997]

Pau to the mavs made a lot of sense before they traded for chandler.

Yes, to most people, but when has Cuban ever made sense basketball wise? He goes after everyone.

[benefactor]

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[benefactor]

Welp...that's that. Melo will re-sign with the Knicks and Pau will go with him to hang out with Fish, Zen Master and Calderon.

[FvckMavs]

Im fine with Pau playing in NYK, tbh.

[Baam]

Phil is starting to look like he could be pretty good at that GM thing...

[FvckMavs]

Welp...that's that. Melo will re-sign with the Knicks and Pau will go with him to hang out with Fish, Zen Master and Calderon.

He will not win shit though

[Mel_13]

If Melo stays in NY then the Knicks can only offer Pau the mini-MLE. I'll believe it when he signs on the dotted line.

[TheGreatYacht]

So you want to suck like Indiana? Good for you.
TF are you talking about?

[benefactor]

He will not win shit though
He'll play against weaker competition though and the Knicks could easily be a middle seed in the East. He's already rang...I think being around his buddies and in a big city is probably more important to him.

[benefactor]

If Melo stays in NY then the Knicks can only offer Pau the mini-MLE. I'll believe it when he signs on the dotted line.
Hmm...I didn't realize that. Could they work an S&T with the Lakers or can they not do that because they are over the cap?

[TD 21]

Gasol as a starter is absolutely a poor fit, tbh, I don't think there's much of an argument against it..

If he accepts a 25 MPG bench role, he would be an amazing fit, but I don't see why he would accept it when he could get a starting job with OKC or Miami, and a job as a focal point with Chicago..hopefully he's willing to take a bench role with the Spurs, though..

He is, no question . . . but you can also over think these things. How many teams would be equipped to exploit them (it's not like they'd play that much together) to the extent that it would matter all that much in the end? Not that many. I mean regular season, of course.

Plus, the fact that he'd take the minutes that mostly go to Ayres and Baynes, what do they bring that he doesn't? Sure, they're more athletic/mobile, but they're not exactly Noah when it comes to defensive range either.

Anyway, there's no chance he comes to the Spurs. I fully expect him to sign with the Bulls, who can offer the best combination of money, role and fit.

[Mel_13]

Hmm...I didn't realize that. Could they work an S&T with the Lakers or can they not do that because they are over the cap?

Teams over the apron (4M above the tax line) cannot receive a player in an S&T. Unless Melo takes a huge pay cut, or they're able to do some sizable salary dumping, the Knicks will be above the apron.

Woj on the subject:

The Knicks have a core of leadership, including president Phil Jackson, coach Derek Fisher and point guard Jose Calderon, who have strong history and relationships with Gasol, and those factors would have to play a part in overcoming the fact the Knicks can pay Gasol only the taxpayer's exception starting at $3.28 million annually.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/carmelo-anthony-interested-in-talking-to-pau-gasol-about-playing-for-knicks-230446550.html

[dunkman]

The problem with OKC is that they had to leave Thabo walk for nothing, not sure who's gonna be their wing defensive player.

[Mel_13]

The problem with OKC is that they had to leave Thabo walk for nothing, not sure who's gonna be their wing defensive player.

They have Roberson and the Stanford kid that they drafted with the 29th pick.

[ceperez]

Im fine with Pau playing in NYK, tbh.

Anything to prevent him from playing for Heat, OKC or Mavs.

[TheGoldStandard]

With the MLE in play can the Spurs build in incentives to increase the deal in any of the years?

[Darkwaters]

With the MLE in play can the Spurs build in incentives to increase the deal in any of the years?

A maximum MLE would start at $5.305M and have raises of 4.5% per year. Maximum of four years.

Reference: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Phil is starting to look like he could be pretty good at that GM thing...

Causing other teams to alienate their own FA's which will cause a lot to sign elsewhere.

Knicks could get Pau with a s&t giving Smith and Odom. Phil will get that train wreck of an org back on track. Well with the Knick, there was no way to go but with them.

Well, I forgot the new rules regarding the tax. If Melo got the Max, they would have to clear about 15 mil+ in salaries to give Pau a 10 mil a year contract. Don't think the lakers want all those contacts, esp not Bargnani's.

[TheGoldStandard]

I wonder if he would bite on a one year deal with the promise of a 2/16 next season. Its kind of a win/win deal. Spurs get a solid player on a discount and gasoline can either bring up his stock playing in the Spurs system and get a deal with San Antonio or elsewhere. Still promises to be a playoff run

[Russ]

I wonder if he would bite on a one year deal with the promise of a 2/16 next season.

Isn't that illegal (therefore unenforceable)?

[Darkwaters]

I wonder if he would bite on a one year deal with the promise of a 2/16 next season. Its kind of a win/win deal. Spurs get a solid player on a discount and gasoline can either bring up his stock playing in the Spurs system and get a deal with San Antonio or elsewhere. Still promises to be a playoff run

Honestly I doubt it. If he suffers a major injury then hes guaranteed nothing after next year. Having multiple years is serious insurance. Especially for players staring down the end of their career. If he signed for four years with us then that would probably be his last contract as a pro athlete.

[exstatic]

Honestly I doubt it. If he suffers a major injury then hes guaranteed nothing after next year. Having multiple years is serious insurance. Especially for players staring down the end of their career. If he signed for four years with us then that would probably be his last contract as a pro athlete.

So you make it two years, guaranteed, with an opt out.

[Ron Swanson]

@ramonashelburne (https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne)Pau Gasol will indeed meet with the Heat, according to a source.

[gameFACE]

I don't think Gasol is coming to SA. But in the crazy event he did you can't assume he would come off the bench. The big man spot next to Duncan is open every season. He could likely steal it from Splitter. Probably not too hard to do.

[xmas1997]

I don't think Gasol is coming to SA. But in the crazy event he did you can't assume he would come off the bench. The big man spot next to Duncan is open every season. He could likely steal it from Splitter. Probably not too hard to do.

No, no visits here.
Consequently, most likely no Paul Gasol in San Antonio Spurs uniform.

[coachmac87]

Gasol could be a key in the last Spurs championship run. That's gotta mean something right??

[TheWriter]

No, no visits here.
Consequently, most likely no Paul Gasol in San Antonio Spurs uniform.

He's not visiting cities. Reps are going to him in LA.

[TheGoldStandard]

Matt Bonner, in his first role as a member of the Front Office, will be tasked with meeting with Pau next Tuesday in Los Angeles. He plans to sell San Antonio's various sub shops and there love for spanish speaking players. Bonner will also be bringing his 2 championship rings he's won to get his point across.

[therealtruth]

I want the Spurs to get him or for him to go to the East to a non-Miami team. Hopefully the Heat don't get any good free agents and are in worse shape.

[Splits]

11 pages of nonsense. MVPau is looking for his last big contract in the range of 4/$44. He ain't leaving $20m on the table.

Next.

[Sean Cagney]

I want the Spurs to get him or for him to go to the East to a non-Miami team. Hopefully the Heat don't get any good free agents and are in worse shape.

That would be great! I flat out doubt it though in all honesty. I bet they get a few.
11 pages of nonsense. MVPau is looking for his last big contract in the range of 4/$44. He ain't leaving $20m on the table.

Next.
We all know that. Some will entertain it and drag this thread 50 pages but he is not coming to SA and he will get paid.

[therealtruth]

That would be great! I flat out doubt it though in all honesty. I bet they get a few.


From what it looks like if the Heat resign the big 3 they're going to have 8-9mil to sign Haslem + impact free agent. I'm not sure they will find any for that low. In the Heat the past the Heat were able to lure veterans looking for a chance to win. I think that effect has worn off and it's going to be tougher to recruit guys. Even Lebron no longer feels like taking a pay cut for the team.

[Uriel]

OKC, Miami, LA and Chicago are all scheduling meetings to put the full-court pressure on the guy. Gasol is considering the Spurs despite the fact that the Spurs have barely registered their interest (beyond fielding a single phone call). The front office ought to at least put effort to try and get the guy.

[Mel_13]

Phil is starting to look like he could be pretty good at that GM thing...

5yrs/129M for Melo. Pure genius.

[tholdren]

5yrs/129M for Melo. Pure genius.

Agreed, but NY/LA is different. You just have to have some bum shoot the ball 30 times and score 20ppg and fans are happy. The list of terrible basketball players coming out of NY high schools that "score" is proof that winning means little. New York is the butt-hole of America. I'd rather live in OKC with the meth addicts.

[ceperez]

5yrs/129M for Melo. Pure genius.

Maybe this is contingent on Gasol staying with the Lakers. I would rather have Gasol go to the Lakers than him going to OKC or the Heat.

At present, if there are no radical changes to the Heat or OKC's lineup, then the Spurs will win a 2nd championship in a row.

[PublicOption]

I would sign Diaw and bring in Boozer

[FvckMavs]

I would sign Diaw and bring in Boozer

No cap space to bid

[ace3g]

What about Diaw and Scola?

[xmas1997]

What about Diaw and Scola?

I was wondering the same thing. Why the long wait?

[Spursfanfromafar]

What about Diaw and Scola?

Scola can barely defend anymore. If Diaw is back, I think the Spurs could as well get Bonner back on a minimum and try to get a veteran for the minimum (Vince Carter) .. and then call it an offseason.

[tholdren]

What about Diaw and Scola?

ABSOLUTELY. Scola is a better defender than Pau and I think his offense would be good for what we are doing. They had similar years according to advanced stats, and he would be willing to take less.

[Man In Black]

Of course, I wouldn't want this to happen, but if Duncan went down for an extended period, would you have faith in the rest of the bigs to keep the Spurs on top? I DON'T, that's why I'm a strong advocate of Pau Gasol coming for MLE.
It keeps him away from our competitors and he's a smart, heady player that knows how to play this read and react ball-movement type offense.

[xmas1997]

Of course, I wouldn't want this to happen, but if Duncan went down for an extended period, would you have faith in the rest of the bigs to keep the Spurs on top? I DON'T, that's why I'm a strong advocate of Pau Gasol coming for MLE.
It keeps him away from our competitors and he's a smart, heady player that knows how to play this read and react ball-movement type offense.

When I first asked "Why Pau?" I wasn't even considering TD going down.
Now I get why so many want Pau here, or at least someone who can get the job done.
How about McRoberts or Frye?
Because I really doubt Gasol is going to come here, especially for the MLE.

[raybies]

OKC, Miami, LA and Chicago are all scheduling meetings to put the full-court pressure on the guy. Gasol is considering the Spurs despite the fact that the Spurs have barely registered their interest (beyond fielding a single phone call). The front office ought to at least put effort to try and get the guy.

Excellent point, there must be a strong lure here. I'm guessing if the Spurs had the money, he'd be here in a heartbeat. Well, with that being said, this could be true for the Thunder and Heat.

[noles1983]

probably goes to the thunder, screwing us over

[callo1]

I would sign Diaw and bring in Boozer

Certainly an option

[callo1]

No cap space to bid

Boozer will be amnestied.

[Knoxxx]

I would rate the Bulls as the favorites for Gasol based on cap space. Miami could be in play but we keep hearing Bosh and James won't take pay cuts so who knows how that plays out. Wade and Gasol splitting $20 million could work. Personally I would play the no state income tax card with Gasol if I were heat and offer him $ 8 million. $38 million to James and Bosh then about $14 million to split between Wade and Haslem. Then all they have left is Cole and are left to filling out roster with minimum salary players hehe.

[G-Dawgg]

Pau Gasol is a skilled big man and the Spurs don't need him to be athletic or quick. He would be perfect for the Spurs. He's taller than Duncan has a good mid range jumper, a very good post game, is a very good passer, can rebound some and block a few shots.... What's not to like? Bring him in.. I'm sure if the Spurs really wanted him, they would find a way to work something out. People in their front office get paid millions to figure that shit out..

[313]

He's already won championships, he just wants to get paid.

[FvckMavs]

Boozer will be amnestied.

Teams with cap space will bid for him first.

[ulosturedge]

Seems to me that the Spurs are using Gasol to keep Diaw from asking too much. I mean if Diaw asks for a lot then that puts Gasol on the radar. If someone doesn't throw substantial money at Gasol he might be willing to take a bit less to play for another Championship. You think a 3rd Championship for Gasol would put him in a much better position for hall of fame talk? That might play into the whole equation.

[tmtcsc]

I don't think Gasol has anything to do with pursuing Gasol. Diaw is more versatile anyways.

[Knoxxx]

Diaw is a better fit for Spurs roster, also cheaper and younger. Indications are Spurs fully expect to resign Diaw and already communicated such to Gasol while they would welcome him aboard with full MLE. I think it all comes down to winning vs. money with Gasol. The question is how much money he would be giving up which is why you field the offers.

[moisaenz]

Only way Gasol goes to San Antonio is if he is promised to start which could happen maybe is time for Duncan to come off the bench.

[MarHill]

Only way Gasol goes to San Antonio is if he is promised to start which could happen maybe is time for Duncan to come off the bench.

Duncan is not coming off the bench. He has been and still is the franchise.

[spurspokesman]

Duncan is not coming off the bench. He has been and still is the franchise.

[Nathan89]

As long as he doesn't go to OKC or the Heat. We don't really need him but it would be exciting.

[callo1]

Teams with cap space will bid for him first.

True, it is unlikely that the Spurs would be the highest bidder, even if they had an option to bid.

[heyheymymy]

duncan off the bench? i guess, but right now that sounds like a 'what are you smoking' proposal.

[$pursDynasty]

As long as he doesn't go to OKC or the Heat. We don't really need him but it would be exciting.
While keeping Boris and replacing Bonner with Gasol would be sweet, as long as he doesn't go to Miami or OKC I am cool with him going anywhere else.

[exstatic]

Miami and OKC can never pay him with their current construction. We MAY be able to pay him something next year if Manu and Tim roll off.

[moisaenz]

Duncan is not coming off the bench. He has been and still is the franchise.

I know he is not, i am just saying that would be the only way Gasol would accept MLE money and the way it would work since both Gasol and Tim would be horrible defensively

[cd021]

Offensively yes, but defensively Perk is a top 5 one-on-one defender in the post. Without him, OKC doesn't get past Memphis. Look at Duncan posting up Ibaka and Perk. That's tells you all you need to know whose the best one-on-one post defender on OKC is.


But that is such a limited skill set. It wasn't just his offense that was bad, but when he was on the floor the Thunder had an O Rtg of 82 and a net Rtg of -17. They were better defensively but he is an offensive black hole he hurt the team far more than he helped.

He can defend ZBo, sure, but i'd have taken my chances with someone like Collision. Zbo may have been able to exploit the matchup but offensively things would have gone much smoother and Memphis can't simply hang with OKC in that department.

[cd021]

While keeping Boris and replacing Bonner with Gasol would be sweet, as long as he doesn't go to Miami or OKC I am cool with him going anywhere else.

Gasol would probably be replacing Baynes not Bonner.

[cd021]

You can do a 4th year as well.

I didn't realize that.

[vander]

man the more I think about it the more I want Gasol, Spurs better at least try, otherwise it will leave us looking back thinking "what if". what if the Spurs had made an effort and added Gasol? what could have been?

would the Lakers have any interest in cheap roster fillers like Baynes/Ayers/Belli/Daye in a S&T? they have a lot of spots to fill and free agents are getting overpaid

[Bartleby]

The Lakers are making a big push to get Melo (which sounds like it may be working) and keeping Gasol is most likely a big part of that plan.

[xmas1997]

The Lakers are making a big push to get Melo (which sounds like it may be working) and keeping Gasol is most likely a big part of that plan.

Gasol will have to take a huge pay cut to stay there if Melo comes aboard, and make something in the 6+ mil. area.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Gasol will have to take a huge pay cut to stay there if Melo comes aboard, and make something in the 6+ mil. area.

Why would he have to do that? Couldn't he sign BEFORE Melo for ~$9-10M (thus removing his cap hold), which would still leave room under the cap for Melo to sign a Max (or close to a Max) deal?

Not only that, but they could probably find a desperate team to take Nash's contract as well.

[Darkwaters]

Gasol will have to take a huge pay cut to stay there if Melo comes aboard, and make something in the 6+ mil. area.

Why? They have his bird rights and can pay him what they want. And if you think the Lakers won't pay the tax...you're crazy.

[CGD]

Idk, I see Gasol as the back up plan if Diaw leaves since they can then sign him with cap space at, iirc, an amount exceeding the MLE offer. Gasol would like the higher offer from a serious contender, and he may be more enticed to come off the bench as the 3rd big as opposed to the 4th with Diaw on the roster. It's an interesting game of chicken involving Diaw, Spurs, and Gasol.

In this scenario I believe spurs are out of the MLE/Biannual exception game, so you have to think Bonner gets resigned to vet minimum/BIA Larry Bird rights. Only scenario MLE would still be in play would be a sign and trade involving Diaw/Gasol, right?

[Mel_13]

Why? They have his bird rights and can pay him what they want. And if you think the Lakers won't pay the tax...you're crazy.

They'll have to renounce his rights in order to sign Melo to a max contract. They may have an unlimited pile of cash, but they're constrained by the CBA on how much they can actually spend.

[exstatic]

They'll have to renounce his rights in order to sign Melo to a max contract. They may have an unlimited pile of cash, but they're constrained by the CBA on how much they can actually spend.

Yeah, he made like $19M last year. His cap hold is probably north of $30M.

[Darkwaters]

They'll have to renounce his rights in order to sign Melo to a max contract. They may have an unlimited pile of cash, but they're constrained by the CBA on how much they can actually spend.

So sign him first. Then the contract goes away and just reverts to what his actual contract is.

[Mel_13]

So sign him first. Then the contract goes away and just reverts to what his actual contract is.

Then he'll have to take the huge pay cut mentioned above in order to leave enough room for a max contract for Melo.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Then he'll have to take the huge pay cut mentioned above in order to leave enough room for a max contract for Melo.

The Lakers could still pay him more than the MLE that most other teams mentioned are limited to, right (especially if they find someone to take Nash's contract)?

[Kindergarten Cop]

Yeah, he made like $19M last year. His cap hold is probably north of $30M.

According to ShamSports, it's $20,250,143.

[Mel_13]

The Lakers could still pay him more than the MLE that most other teams mentioned are limited to, right (especially if they find someone to take Nash's contract)?

Only if they can make Nash' contract disappear. Otherwise, they can offer slightly more than the MLE if they use the stretch provision to waive Nash. If Nash is on the roster, they will have less than an MLE-sized chunk of cap space left.

[Kindergarten Cop]

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[CGD]

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This doesn't comport with the CBA limitations discussed above.

[Seventyniner]

This doesn't comport with the CBA limitations discussed above.

It might if Gasol is willing to take a big pay cut.

[Mel_13]

This doesn't comport with the CBA limitations discussed above.

Sure it does. The tweet from 1:42 says that there are sources that believe that Pau will stay if they get James or Melo. No mention of salary. The tweet from 1:44 says he could stay if they don't land Melo or James because, in that scenario, the Lakers would be able to offer the most money.

What they can offer Pau is vastly different in a scenario where they sign a max FA compared to one where they don't.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Only if they can make Nash' contract disappear. Otherwise, they can offer slightly more than the MLE if they use the stretch provision to waive Nash. If Nash is on the roster, they will have less than an MLE-sized chunk of cap space left.

Thanks for the clarification.

[CGD]

Sure it does. The tweet from 1:42 says that there are sources that believe that Pau will stay if they get James or Melo. No mention of salary. The tweet from 1:44 says he could stay if they don't land Melo or James because, in that scenario, the Lakers would be able to offer the most money.

What they can offer Pau is vastly different in a scenario where they sign a max FA compared to one where they don't.

Yup, you're right it could be done in a scenario where the lakers offer another max deal.

In practice (assuming the team wants to avoid the tax consequences) whats the ballpark amount of what the lakers would be able to offer Pau if they keep Nash and sign Melo to a max deal?

I suppose I'm curious about the tweet's claim that Pau is emerging as a key piece in the pitch to Melo given the team existing limitations.

[Mel_13]

Yup, you're right it could be done in a scenario where the lakers offer another max deal.

In practice (assuming the team wants to avoid the tax consequences) whats the ballpark amount of what the lakers would be able to offer Pau if they keep Nash and sign Melo to a max deal?

I suppose I'm curious about the tweet's claim that Pau is emerging as a key piece in the pitch to Melo given the team existing limitations.

Less than the MLE.

[Mel_13]

Woj:

With Diaw's return set, the Spurs will continue their pursuit of free agent Pau Gasol with an offer of their midlevel exception, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--boris-diaw-gets--22-5-million-deal-to-re-sign-with-spurs-195943153.html

[Mugen]

I'd rather throw the MLE money at Mike Miller tbh. He's a more realistic target that fits a greater need.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

We would be so damn STACKED with IQ (both bball and general) if this happened. Loaded.

[baseline bum]

He'll probably get $9-$11 million or so in Chicago when Melo re-signs in NYC.

[AFBlue]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs were the frontrunner should he choose to take MLE. Still I'd stack the odds heavily against it.

[baseline bum]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs were the frontrunner should he choose to take MLE. Still I'd stack the odds heavily against it.

I'd have to go with Miami as the strong favorite if he takes MLE. He'd be the starting center there and would make them way better than last year's team.

[Spursfanfromafar]

If Spurs manage the coup of getting Pau Gasol for the MLE (highly unlikely!), it could mean the end of the line for Bonner or/and possibly Ayres/Baynes?

[ducks]

spurs could and would still sign boomer

[letmk]

If Spurs manage the coup of getting Pau Gasol for the MLE (highly unlikely!), it could mean the end of the line for Bonner or/and possibly Ayres/Baynes?

If Gasol somehow someway comes here, I would keep Bonner and trade away Ayers. Even if the price is to give away, not receive, a 2nd rd pick.

[davi78239]

My top gets now are gasol or miller.

[look_at_g_shred]

Gun for Gasol. If not, Chris Douglas-Roberts or Aminu

[exstatic]

I'd rather throw the MLE money at Mike Miller tbh. He's a more realistic target that fits a greater need.

We lack shooting?

[SupremeGuy]

It would be pretty fucking crazy if we somehow landed Gasol, but I just don't see it happening. Pop and RC need to wine and dine him. Maybe even Timmy and whoever else is in SA at the time.

[Seventyniner]

We lack shooting?

You can never have enough shooting. All that passing is no good if guys can't hit open shots.

[Mugen]

We lack shooting?

We lack a backup 3. And considering Patty will miss half the season and Bonner isn't a lock to come back, you could say that our shooting drops off from last season.

So, yeah I'd say Miller fills a bigger need than Gasol even if both are luxuries at this point.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

You can never have enough shooting. All that passing is no good if guys can't hit open shots.

Having an excess of shooters is good because it allows the Spurs to juggle the line up on a daily basis depending on who's struggling. If shooter A struggles, that's fine - see if shooters B, C, or D can pick up the slack by shooting well from the field. That's the beauty of the Spurs' roster. It doesn't rely on any one role player scoring X points per game.

[letmk]

I'd have to go with Miami as the strong favorite if he takes MLE. He'd be the starting center there and would make them way better than last year's team.

Spurs can him a starting position as well. It's not that Splitter didn't come from the bench before. And from what I've seen, Splitter handled the benching quite well. And playing with Manu and Diaw actually gives him more chances on offense as well.

[baseline bum]

Spurs can him a starting position as well. It's not that Splitter didn't come from the bench before. And from what I've seen, Splitter handled the benching quite well. And playing with Manu and Diaw actually gives him more chances on offense as well.

I'd rather start Splitter since he's an elite defensive player.

[xmas1997]

I think he is a huge long shot for him to come here.
He has lots of options what with teams with more money to spend.

[Taking it to the Hole]

It all hinges on Melo. If he signs with the Lakers, Gasol is not going anywhere. Lakers know they need a marquee player like Melo to be relevant again so they are going to go all out in signing him. Gasol becomes more important for the Lakers plans because they are not going to rely on their rookie forward Randle to carry them all season.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I think he is a huge long shot for him to come here.
He has lots of options what with teams with more money to spend.

The only "contenders" that he has been linked to with (potentially) more money to offer are Chicago, Houston, Dallas and Miami. I think San Antonio has just as good, if not more of, a chance to get him as those teams - unless the money is considerably higher.

[baseline bum]

The only "contenders" that he has been linked to with (potentially) more money to offer are Chicago, Houston, Dallas and Miami. I think San Antonio has just as good, if not more of, a chance to get him as those teams - unless the money is considerably higher.

Chicago: way more money
Miami: starting spot

[letmk]

It all hinges on Melo. If he signs with the Lakers, Gasol is not going anywhere. Lakers know they need a marquee player like Melo to be relevant again so they are going to go all out in signing him. Gasol becomes more important for the Lakers plans because they are not going to rely on their rookie forward Randle to carry them all season.

Let's forget the Spurs for a while. If Carmelo goes to the Lakers, I think it would create a false hope to them like with Howard & Nash a couple years ago. I don't buy the co-existence of KB and Melo at all.

But of course for the Spurs, as long as he doesn't go to OKC or a LeBron team, it's okay.

[vjcchs12]

We lack a backup 3. And considering Patty will miss half the season and Bonner isn't a lock to come back, you could say that our shooting drops off from last season.

So, yeah I'd say Miller fills a bigger need than Gasol even if both are luxuries at this point.

disagree. green, leonard, belli, parker, ginobili, anderson, joseph are plenty of small ball players that are versatile in their positions. plus days can play the three.
our bigs are duncan, diaw, splitter, baynes, ayers.

we can definitely use another big especially when mills is coming back in 6 months

[Uriel]

Multiple news reports have repeatedly stressed that Gasol is looking for the best combination of winning and money. If he's willing to sign for the MLE, there's no place he can win more in than with the defending NBA champion.

Moreover, the prospect of being in a multicultural, international locker room while playing for the best coach in the NBA in the best system in the NBA should be particularly enticing. Those are benefits he would not get in Miami or OKC.

[Ice009]

man the more I think about it the more I want Gasol, Spurs better at least try, otherwise it will leave us looking back thinking "what if". what if the Spurs had made an effort and added Gasol? what could have been?

would the Lakers have any interest in cheap roster fillers like Baynes/Ayers/Belli/Daye in a S&T? they have a lot of spots to fill and free agents are getting overpaid

Yep, I agree. Spurs should try very hard to get him. Now that they got Boris locked up, they should go after him hard like they did Maggette when they only had the MLE to offer. He still might not take it, but they should at least put in a decent effort to try and get him.

Question - can he have a PO to opt out after the first year of a MLE contract?

[SupremeGuy]

Yeah, PO to opt out after one year and then sign him to better deal when other contracts come off the books. We could offer him that. Also, sell him on the prospect of going hard after his brother when we get the room. Really, it depends on when Timmy and Manu want to retire. Or if they'd play for even less to stick around and give us room for both Gasol brothers. It's such a long shot, tbh.

[ceperez]

I'll wait to see if the Spurs send an entourage to recruit Gasol.

[beirmeistr]

I AGREE, uriel

[SupremeGuy]

I'll wait to see if the Spurs send an entourage to recruit Gasol.If only we had the argentinian basketball people to kidnap his children and force him to play for us like they're doing with Manu. :cry

[Ice009]

Yeah, PO to opt out after one year and then sign him to better deal when other contracts come off the books. We could offer him that. Also, sell him on the prospect of going hard after his brother when we get the room. Really, it depends on when Timmy and Manu want to retire. Or if they'd play for even less to stick around and give us room for both Gasol brothers. It's such a long shot, tbh.

Spot on. I agree with all that, and in that order too.

If we're allowed to have a PO after the first season, then he can opt out when the Spurs have more money and they can re-sign him to a higher contract. If Tim and Manu want to keep playing, then I am sure all three can come up with numbers that would work to be able to give him a pay increase. The key here IMO is if they want Marc Gasol when he is a free agent.

If Marc is at the top of their list when he's a free agent, then they need to sell Pau on that and tell him that they are going after Marc in free agency, and that he'd have a great chance to play with his brother if he signs here.

[Chinook]

I'd really rather get McRoberts than Gasol. Pau doesn't really make the Spurs better.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Chicago: way more money
Miami: starting spot

That's why I said "unless the money is considerably higher". Miami offers him a starting situation, but if Bosh and LeBron are truly seeking the max, or close to it, (as reported) they won't be able to offer much more than an MLE type contract unless Wade accepts a much larger cut than expected. All things being considered, their team will likely be worse off than this past year in which they were humiliated in the Finals. Sadly, I actually think Gasol has a more likely shot of going to OKC than Miami.

[Prime Time]

We lack a backup 3. And considering Patty will miss half the season and Bonner isn't a lock to come back, you could say that our shooting drops off from last season.

So, yeah I'd say Miller fills a bigger need than Gasol even if both are luxuries at this point.
Mike Miller would be fucking amazing if he signed with the Spurs. He'd be everything we wanted out of Marco Belienlli in the post season.

Also, the dude is a certified OKC-Killer.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I'd really rather get McRoberts than Gasol. Pau doesn't really make the Spurs better.

McRoberts may be a much better fit, but it's asinine to suggest that Gasol wouldn't benefit the Spurs at all.

[Darkwaters]

I'd really rather get McRoberts than Gasol. Pau doesn't really make the Spurs better.

I'd be very happy with either.

Has there been any news of interest in McRoberts (from anyone)?

[xmas1997]

I'd really rather get McRoberts than Gasol. Pau doesn't really make the Spurs better.


I agree with you, and if not McRoberts, then Frye.
But I don't think Gasol is going to come here so it will be a moot point. Some other contender will offer him more money like Chicago.

[Chinook]

McRoberts may be a much better fit, but it's asinine to suggest that Gasol wouldn't benefit the Spurs at all.

I didn't say, 'at all'. But people are misguided in believing that another center is going to help a lot , especially one who's never been a role-player.

I'd rather give Carlos Boozer the MLE than Gasol, and that's saying something.

[elemento]

Sorry but if you have the chance to land Gasol for the MLE, you do it and figure things out later. There's always a place for such a talented player like Gasol in San Antonio.

[xmas1997]

Sorry but if you have the chance to land Gasol for the MLE, you do it and figure things out later. There's always a place for such a talented player like Gasol in San Antonio.

This is true. I don't think anyone disputes that.
But I think there are better fits, and more likely for the MLE.
If Gasol comes here, I won't complain, I'll be glad.
Another thing, Gasol may be waiting for Melo and James to decide before he decides. If he decides not to come here then the Spurs may lose out on getting one of those better fits like McRoberts or Frye.

[Chinook]

Sorry but if you have the chance to land Gasol for the MLE, you do it and figure things out later. There's always a place for such a talented player like Gasol in San Antonio.

I disagree. The Spurs are more sensitive to fit than any other team. It took them years to put together the right pieces. You don't just dive at talent -- especially old talent -- just because it's there. The fact that Gasol is a poor fit overrides his talent, in my opinion, especially considering that Pau can be a locker-room distraction if he's not happy.

[letmk]

Sorry but if you have the chance to land Gasol for the MLE, you do it and figure things out later. There's always a place for such a talented player like Gasol in San Antonio.

Exactly. Also, with Timmy and Gasol, sure the defense is still an issue versus small teams like OKC or Miami. However, Gasol can punish the other team on offense which Splitter can never do (Granted, Splitter is quite good doing PnR with Manu). So the other team may need to adjust to the Spurs first and is forced to go big.

[Knoxxx]

You can't opt out of the MLE it has to be a 3-4 year deal.

[Chinook]

You can't opt out of the MLE it has to be a 3-4 year deal.

No, it doesn't.

[elemento]

I disagree. The Spurs are more sensitive to fit than any other team. It took them years to put together the right pieces. You don't just dive at talent -- especially old talent -- just because it's there. The fact that Gasol is a poor fit overrides his talent, in my opinion, especially considering that Pau can be a locker-room distraction if he's not happy.

I disagree back :lol

You dive at talent if it's Pau Gasol for the MLE. Pau is poor fit with Duncan, but not the rest of the BIGs. Pop is the master supreme when it comes to sharing minutes and resting. If Pau is willing to come for the MLE, he is probably willing to do anything for Pop in order to win because that would be his goal if he signs for San Antonio for the MLE. In my opinion, his talent easily overrides any kind of poor fit that SA could be afraid.

[Malik Hairston]

Still can't imagine Gasol acccepting a bench role, even with the Spurs, tbh..

A lot of people are confusing 2014 Gasol with 2008-2011 Gasol, too..he's not even close to that player anymore..

[CGD]

Getting Gasol this summer is just as much about the post-TD future than next year. I'm sure the Spurs were frank with Gasol when they first approached him, and explained that he'd come off the bench, have to take a lot less money, and compete for minutes on a deep roster; however, if he is able put in the time this year it's very possible that the starting PF/C job is his next year if Duncan retires. Not a bad deal when most other "contenders" are limited offering you the MLE.

[xmas1997]

I don't think the Spurs are sure TD won't re-up for two more years after next year.

[exstatic]

Getting Gasol this summer is just as much about the post-TD future than next year. I'm sure the Spurs were frank with Gasol when they first approached him, and explained that he'd come off the bench, have to take a lot less money, and compete for minutes on a deep roster; however, if he is able put in the time this year it's very possible that the starting PF/C job is his next year if Duncan retires. Not a bad deal when most other "contenders" are limited offering you the MLE.

Someone who gets it. Even if it's a longshot, it's an option that Miami and OKC choose not to take by avoiding the tax like the plague.

[Chinook]

I disagree back :lol

You dive at talent if it's Pau Gasol for the MLE. Pau is poor fit with Duncan, but not the rest of the BIGs. Pop is the master supreme when it comes to sharing minutes and resting. If Pau is willing to come for the MLE, he is probably willing to do anything for Pop in order to win because that would be his goal if he signs for San Antonio for the MLE. In my opinion, his talent easily overrides any kind of poor fit that SA could be afraid.

He's a poor fit next to everyone, except perhaps Diaw. He and Splitter could work, but people underestimate the time it took for Tiago and Tim to develop the necessary chemistry to share the floor. Do you honestly see Gasol and Splitter playing a lot together? I don't.

Ayres sucks as of now, so he doesn't really fit with anybody. Baynes is a center with decent range and mobility, but he's still a center. I don't think he and Gasol would be more than passable.

More importantly, the Spurs would have five centers on their roster and one power-forward (two if you count Anderson, but I don't). That leads to a complete lack or versatility.

[ceperez]

There is still a possibility for a multiple team trade where Splitter goes somewhere other than the Lakers.

[exstatic]

I don't think the Spurs are sure TD won't re-up for two more years after next year.

I'm about 99% sure he won't. The fact that he had to really think about it this year means he may not have to next year.

The last thing I want to see is Tim on an empty tank. That would be sad. I'd just as soon he left somewhere between 1/8 and reserve.

[Chinook]

Still can't imagine Gasol acccepting a bench role, even with the Spurs, tbh..

A lot of people are confusing 2014 Gasol with 2008-2011 Gasol, too..he's not even close to that player anymore..

I see it as akin to the Beli signing. People are gushing about talent and value, but it didn't really help the team on the court that much. Difference is, Gasol is an over the hill HoFer who still thinks he's a premiere player and who is known to become a cancer if he doesn't get his way.

[Knoxxx]

Yup, you're right it could be done in a scenario where the lakers offer another max deal.

In practice (assuming the team wants to avoid the tax consequences) whats the ballpark amount of what the lakers would be able to offer Pau if they keep Nash and sign Melo to a max deal?

I suppose I'm curious about the tweet's claim that Pau is emerging as a key piece in the pitch to Melo given the team existing limitations.

"Kupchak acknowledged that elite free agents might have to take pay cuts to fit into the Lakers' cramped salary structure. They have already committed more than $37 million of next season's projected $63-million salary cap to Bryant, Steve Nash, Robert Sacre and rookie Julius Randle, whom they took with the seventh overall pick in Thursday's draft."

By my math that leaves $26 million for them to sign free agents + Gasol. So you have a big fish like Melo/LeBron taking most of that money, say $20 million then Gasol gets the $6 million in crumbs. Or split the $26 million among Gasol and a couple of lesser free agents.

Either way the Lakers end up with 6-7 players and filling out their roster with minimum salary guys. Aside from the minimum salary guys, Lakers roster looks like this:

PG: Nash
SG: Bryant
SF: Melo/LeBron (or two mystery free agents position unknown)
PF: Randle
C: Gasol/Sacre

So a couple of washed up guards, one of the top two SF in the league, a rookie PF and Gasol at center with a project C backing him up.

Given that roster composition and lack of money available for Gasol, seems like slim to none chance he's back with the Lakers next season. I don't see any combination of free agent signings that provide him with a decent mix of money and a chance to win. Even adding Lebron won't get it because that leaves them with ZERO supporting cast outside of the rookie Randle, and extremely thin at every position.

Moreover, besides being a butthole there is no indication Bryant will be back anywhere near his past self if he can even make it through another season.

[vander]

Getting Gasol this summer is just as much about the post-TD future than next year. I'm sure the Spurs were frank with Gasol when they first approached him, and explained that he'd come off the bench, have to take a lot less money, and compete for minutes on a deep roster; however, if he is able put in the time this year it's very possible that the starting PF/C job is his next year if Duncan retires. Not a bad deal when most other "contenders" are limited offering you the MLE.

however, Pau isn't looking for minutes on a rebuilding team, just a ring. I don't think that's a bargaining chip

[barbacoataco]

Not sure about Gasol. His defense sucks and they have Splitter.

[SupremeGuy]

The most important thing, is keeping him away from Miami or OKC, tbh. Hate to say it, but his addition to either of those teams put them in nightmare level.

[Knoxxx]

He's a poor fit next to everyone, except perhaps Diaw. He and Splitter could work, but people underestimate the time it took for Tiago and Tim to develop the necessary chemistry to share the floor. Do you honestly see Gasol and Splitter playing a lot together? I don't.

Ayres sucks as of now, so he doesn't really fit with anybody. Baynes is a center with decent range and mobility, but he's still a center. I don't think he and Gasol would be more than passable.

More importantly, the Spurs would have five centers on their roster and one power-forward (two if you count Anderson, but I don't). That leads to a complete lack or versatility.

The minutes can work if you take Splitter/Duncan/Gasol/Diaw and divide by 4 to get 24. Diaw can also back up Leonard some while Leonard can also slide to the SG spot some. Teams would probably try to go really small on us but Splitter and Diaw can chase perimeter guys and create mismatches. Gasol/Duncan would be a nice lineup to pound teams playing a traditional PF-C lineup.

Really I think it's in the versatility and Gasol gives us the ability to rest Duncan on those back to back nights as well with no dropoff.

That said, I'd guess Gasol goes somewhere stupid like Chicago, Houston, Miami, or Dallas but in the meantime we can still dream. :-)

[tmtcsc]

Miami is done. They may still be leaders in the East but even if they bring back James, Bosh and Wade, they will need more than 1 piece to get back to winning rings.

[Andthentherewas21]

Getting Gasol this summer is just as much about the post-TD future than next year. I'm sure the Spurs were frank with Gasol when they first approached him, and explained that he'd come off the bench, have to take a lot less money, and compete for minutes on a deep roster; however, if he is able put in the time this year it's very possible that the starting PF/C job is his next year if Duncan retires. Not a bad deal when most other "contenders" are limited offering you the MLE.

So the post-TD future is predicated on what will then be a 35 year old Pau Gasol?

Gasol would be a nice piece on offense, but his D has fallen off a cliff since the championship years making him a huge liability on that end. While I wouldn't be opposed to landing him so teams like OKC and MIA don't develop a more balanced offense, he wouldn't be a difference maker on the Spurs unless he starts playing 5-6 years younger, and there is no indication that's going to happen.

[Darkwaters]

Miami is done. They may still be leaders in the East but even if they bring back James, Bosh and Wade, they will need more than 1 piece to get back to winning rings.

To make it work they'd probably need to replace Wade in the "Big" 3 with a player like Kevin Love. But even then they wouldn't have much of a bench.

When your plan is to dangle Norris Cole as a trade asset you're pretty much fucked. Thats like us hoping Cory Joseph could be flipped for major role players and championship pieces.

[spurraider21]

I see it as akin to the Beli signing. People are gushing about talent and value, but it didn't really help the team on the court that much. Difference is, Gasol is an over the hill HoFer who still thinks he's a premiere player and who is known to become a cancer if he doesn't get his way.
:lol gasol is not a cancer tbh

[Chinook]

The minutes can work if you take Splitter/Duncan/Gasol/Diaw and divide by 4 to get 24. Diaw can also back up Leonard some while Leonard can also slide to the SG spot some. Teams would probably try to go really small on us but Splitter and Diaw can chase perimeter guys and create mismatches. Gasol/Duncan would be a nice lineup to pound teams playing a traditional PF-C lineup.

Really I think it's in the versatility and Gasol gives us the ability to rest Duncan on those back to back nights as well with no dropoff.

That said, I'd guess Gasol goes somewhere stupid like Chicago, Houston, Miami, or Dallas but in the meantime we can still dream. :-)

Diaw can't play the three. That's an awful myth.

Gasol/Duncan would have the same offensive problems that Memphis does. And their defense against PnR teams like Dallas and Portland would be awful.

I agree that Gasol to spell Duncan would be nice. But Baynes can already do that. It makes much more sense to me to have a legit four-man to be the fourth big. Failing that, I'd rather the team stand pat.

[ajh18]

"Kupchak acknowledged that elite free agents might have to take pay cuts to fit into the Lakers' cramped salary structure. They have already committed more than $37 million of next season's projected $63-million salary cap to Bryant, Steve Nash, Robert Sacre and rookie Julius Randle, whom they took with the seventh overall pick in Thursday's draft."

By my math that leaves $26 million for them to sign free agents + Gasol. So you have a big fish like Melo/LeBron taking most of that money, say $20 million then Gasol gets the $6 million in crumbs. Or split the $26 million among Gasol and a couple of lesser free agents.

Either way the Lakers end up with 6-7 players and filling out their roster with minimum salary guys. Aside from the minimum salary guys, Lakers roster looks like this:

PG: Nash
SG: Bryant
SF: Melo/LeBron (or two mystery free agents position unknown)
PF: Randle
C: Gasol/Sacre

So a couple of washed up guards, one of the top two SF in the league, a rookie PF and Gasol at center with a project C backing him up.

Given that roster composition and lack of money available for Gasol, seems like slim to none chance he's back with the Lakers next season. I don't see any combination of free agent signings that provide him with a decent mix of money and a chance to win. Even adding Lebron won't get it because that leaves them with ZERO supporting cast outside of the rookie Randle, and extremely thin at every position.

Moreover, besides being a butthole there is no indication Bryant will be back anywhere near his past self if he can even make it through another season.

I think the Lakers' best shot at remaining relevant might be to go something like this:

PG: Nash/Isiah Thomas
SG: Lance Stevenson
SF: Kobe
PF: Randle
C: Gasol/Sacre

That's doable financially and - while not a top-flight contender - is an interesting team capable of upsetting some of the big dogs in a playoff series.

[Chinook]

:lol gasol is not a cancer tbh

I'm sorry, but going into a shell at adversity is cancerous. I imagine you watch enough of the Lakers to know some of the drama with Pau was his fault as well.

[CGD]

however, Pau isn't looking for minutes on a rebuilding team, just a ring. I don't think that's a bargaining chip

With Gasol on board, I wouldn't call the post-Duncan Spurs rebuilding. Are they winning the championship the year after Duncan retires? Maybe not, but are they a top 5 team with a legit chance? I think so.

Starters: TP, Green, Leonard, Gasol, Splitter
Key Reserves: Boris, Mills, at least one of Anderson/LJC/Bertans

[elemento]

He's a poor fit next to everyone, except perhaps Diaw. He and Splitter could work, but people underestimate the time it took for Tiago and Tim to develop the necessary chemistry to share the floor. Do you honestly see Gasol and Splitter playing a lot together? I don't.

Ayres sucks as of now, so he doesn't really fit with anybody. Baynes is a center with decent range and mobility, but he's still a center. I don't think he and Gasol would be more than passable.

More importantly, the Spurs would have five centers on their roster and one power-forward (two if you count Anderson, but I don't). That leads to a complete lack or versatility.

I do. Pau is a high BBIQ player. I wouldn't even worry about Pau getting the system. It didn't take long for him to take LA's system. Straight up to the Finals in his first year playing the triangle under Phill. And that's not an easy system to get, especially if you're the main BIG of that system.

Splitter had to adapt to the NBA in the first place. That's why It took so long to adapt as Timmy duo. Gasol has been in the NBA for 13 years and Splitter is totally adapted right now.

Smart/great players figure things out quickly. That happened to Pau and that happened to Wade/Lebron and people questioned their fit too.

I really don't count end of the bench players like Ayres or Baynes. I couldn't care less about Ayres and Baynes is a 3rd string Center.

Tim/Diaw/Splitter/Gasol is what matters. That would be the rotation in the playoffs. Since I believe that Pau could play with either Diaw or Splitter, we will just have to agree to disagree.

I would take Pau for the MLE 10x quicker than Carlos Boozer as you suggested even if he is a better fit on paper and that says something.

[mingus]

I don't think getting Gasol means he necessarily plays less minutes. I could see Pop experimenting with Duncan/Gasol/Diaw lineup. Would still have floor spacing, and it'd be an absolute nightmare to defend that.

[vander]

With Gasol on board, I wouldn't call the post-Duncan Spurs rebuilding. Are they winning the championship the year after Duncan retires? Maybe not, but are they a top 5 team with a legit chance? I think so.

Starters: TP, Green, Leonard, Gasol, Splitter
Key Reserves: Boris, Mills, at least one of Anderson/LJC/Bertans

I'll believe it when I see it. The intangibles of Manu (and I'm a Manu hater) and TD just can't be replaced without lightening striking again IMO. and TP will be almost useless by 2016

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Our worst case scenario is Gasol going to OKC, if Brooks is smart enough to use him the right way. Used correctly, he could unlock their awfully stagnant "offense" (calling it an offense is an overstatement) and make it the best in the league.

I'd love to see Pau as a Spur for the next 3-4 years, firstly to help us win another ring, then to help with the post-TD/Manu transition. He'd be a perfect fit IMHO. Will he take the MLE though? Unlikely.

[CGD]

So the post-TD future is predicated on what will then be a 35 year old Pau Gasol?

Gasol would be a nice piece on offense, but his D has fallen off a cliff since the championship years making him a huge liability on that end. While I wouldn't be opposed to landing him so teams like OKC and MIA don't develop a more balanced offense, he wouldn't be a difference maker on the Spurs unless he starts playing 5-6 years younger, and there is no indication that's going to happen.

It's about Parker in the end isn't it? He's stated that he will want to see if the team heads into rebuild or reload mode after Tim leaves when making a decision to re-sign with the Spurs. With Tim and Manu gone, TP is looking at Leonard as his co-star plus a lot of good parts, but none primary offensive options. Adding Gasol, in my opinion, can still generate his own offense albeit not at the same clip as 5 years ago. If Tony leaves next summer, it's definitely rebuild mode.

[montgod]

Our worst case scenario is Gasol going to OKC, if Brooks is smart enough to use him the right way. Used correctly, he could unlock their awfully stagnant "offense" (calling it an offense is an overstatement) and make it the best in the league.

I'd love to see Pau as a Spur for the next 3-4 years, firstly to help us win another ring, then to help with the post-TD/Manu transition. He'd be a perfect fit IMHO. Will he take the MLE though? Unlikely.

But isn't that all OKC has to offer?

[Mel_13]

[/B]
But isn't that all OKC has to offer?

Yes, but they're better positioned to do a S&T.

[SpursRock20]

[/B]
But isn't that all OKC has to offer?
That and more minutes.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I didn't say, 'at all'. But people are misguided in believing that another center is going to help a lot , especially one who's never been a role-player.

I'd rather give Carlos Boozer the MLE than Gasol, and that's saying something.

Your takes are virtually always extremely solid and well-grounded, but you did say "Pau doesn't really make the Spurs better" - and I strongly disagree. He has one of the highest BBIQs in the entire league and would still be a HUGE bargain for the MLE. He would spell Duncan, as the starter, on B2Bs and when we have those dreaded 3 games in 5 nights - and the Spurs wouldn't miss a beat. Not only that, I don't know of a player that would fit more seamlessly if Duncan (God forbid) were to suffer an injury that would cause him to miss a prolonged portion of the season.

And as others have stated, it may be worth the MLE (if he were to take it) just to keep him from going to OKC or any other team that may try to get in our way to #6.

[Chinook]

Your takes are virtually always extremely solid and well-grounded, but you did say "Pau doesn't really make the Spurs better" - and I strongly disagree. He has one of the highest BBIQs in the entire league and would still be a HUGE bargain for the MLE. He would spell Duncan, as the starter, on B2Bs and when we have those dreaded 3 games in 5 nights - and the Spurs wouldn't miss a beat. Not only that, I don't know of a player that would fit more seamlessly if Duncan (God forbid) were to suffer an injury that would cause him to miss a prolonged portion of the season.

And as others have stated, it may be worth the MLE (if he were to take it) just to keep him from going to OKC or any other team that may try to get in our way to #6.

But the Spurs have already dealt well with Duncan having a reduced role for the regular season. What would Gasol do? Have them win 65 games instead of the 62 (or whatever) wins they had without him? The only tangible difference he could make is with the regular rotation. But I see that overall impact as minimal.

As far as the OKC angle goes, the Spurs should never be so hubristic as to shirk attempts to improve themselves over attempts to screw over their rivals. That's the kind of thing Cuban does.

[Mel_13]

As far as the OKC angle goes, the Spurs should never be so hubristic as to shirk attempts to improve themselves over attempts to screw over their rivals. That's the kind of thing Cuban does.

Proof that you learn something new every day. Today I learned that hubris has an adjectival form. My expanded vocabulary thanks you.

[Kindergarten Cop]

But the Spurs have already dealt well with Duncan having a reduced role for the regular season. What would Gasol do? Have them win 65 games instead of the 62 (or whatever) wins they had without him? The only tangible difference he could make is with the regular rotation. But I see that overall impact as minimal.

As far as the OKC angle goes, the Spurs should never be so hubristic as to shirk attempts to improve themselves over attempts to screw over their rivals. That's the kind of thing Cuban does.

You responded to my post (though neglecting the injury aspect) agreeing that it would help our regular season record (even if by only three games or so - perhaps the difference between a 1 seed and playing on the road in the Playoffs) as well as possibly weakening (or screwing over) our biggest hurdle in the West, right? That's not worth the MLE?

I always loved the thought of McBob as a Diaw-replacement (not necessarily that he could do it as well), but now that we've got Diaw back - I'd like them to sign the better overall player considering that we have no true "holes" on our team. We seem to be in disagreement on who the better overall player is though, which is fine. I completely respect your takes and opinions, but we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Knoxxx]

It's about Parker in the end isn't it? He's stated that he will want to see if the team heads into rebuild or reload mode after Tim leaves when making a decision to re-sign with the Spurs. With Tim and Manu gone, TP is looking at Leonard as his co-star plus a lot of good parts, but none primary offensive options. Adding Gasol, in my opinion, can still generate his own offense albeit not at the same clip as 5 years ago. If Tony leaves next summer, it's definitely rebuild mode.

TP is not going anywhere that's laughable.

[Kindergarten Cop]

TP is not going anywhere that's laughable.

While I hope you are right, I don't think it's laughable at all.

[Taking it to the Hole]

I don't see the Spurs trying to woo Gasol. They are going to be downright honest about what they are and let their success stand for itself. If he is serious about winning then he will sign. If he isn't, he will go sign for more money. Spurs aren't going to be hurting if he decides to sign with someone else because Gasol is not going to be a difference maker even if he goes to OKC. OKC needs to develop an actual system before they can start incorporating guys like Gasol in it. I just rather the Spurs keep the last roster spot open to give flexibility later at the trade deadline or even mid-season if we see someone we can pick up in a pinch.

[MI21]

As far as the OKC angle goes, the Spurs should never be so hubristic as to shirk attempts to improve themselves over attempts to screw over their rivals. That's the kind of thing Cuban does.

I would normally agree with you but if OKC trot out a lineup of Westbrook/Jackson/Durant/Ibaka/Gasol then I can't imagine the Spurs winning.

Now I will never underestimate Sc:loltt Br:lol:lolks ability to be a shit coach and not get the best out of his players strengths, but if he can with Gasol, OKC would be damn near unbeatable.

[Knoxxx]

While I hope you are right, I don't think it's laughable at all.

He will retire a Spur. You worry too much, did you see the house he just built in S.A.? Plus he got married and had a kid. No more bar fights for Tony he's a Spurs lifer!

[Knoxxx]

I would normally agree with you but if OKC trot out a lineup of Westbrook/Jackson/Durant/Ibaka/Gasol then I can't imagine the Spurs winning.

Now I will never underestimate Sc:loltt Br:lol:lolks ability to be a shit coach and not get the best out of his players strengths, but if he can with Gasol, OKC would be damn near unbeatable.

They would still have no bench. You saw what playing 45 minutes per game did to Westbrook and Durant.

I do see the point that the upgrade of Gasol over Perkins does give them more depth with their bigs. I still see a team with no depth at the guard and SF positions.

[exstatic]

however, Pau isn't looking for minutes on a rebuilding team, just a ring. I don't think that's a bargaining chip

You're not getting it. We're to the point where there doesn't need to BE a rebuild when Tim and Manu leave. Tony, Kawhi, Tiago, plus the role players, and maybe a developing Kyle + Pau = pretty damn good team. That would keep the window open another 3-4 years.

[MI21]

They would still have no bench. You saw what playing 45 minutes per game did to Westbrook and Durant.

I do see the point that the upgrade of Gasol over Perkins does give them more depth with their bigs. I still see a team with no depth at the guard and SF positions.

I know what you are saying but if we are being realistic, they could have beaten the Spurs with a fully healthy Ibaka and that same lack of depth WITHOUT Gasol.

I would much rather Gasol signs anywhere but OKC.

[Splits]

I know what you are saying but if we are being realistic, they could have beaten the Spurs with a fully healthy Ibaka and that same lack of depth WITHOUT Gasol.

I would much rather Gasol signs anywhere but OKC.

RefKC has no perimeter shooting, that's their top priority.

[lefty]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4053424896/h0163777E/

[T Park]

Yes, but they're better positioned to do a S&T.

Eh, if the lakers and Spurs wanted to, they could work something out.

[T Park]

I know what you are saying but if we are being realistic, they could have beaten the Spurs with a fully healthy Ibaka and that same lack of depth WITHOUT Gasol.

I would much rather Gasol signs anywhere but OKC.


They could have. If they had a bench.

[Mel_13]

Eh, if the lakers and Spurs wanted to, they could work something out.

Sure they could, but OKC is a much better S&T partner for the Lakers.

[spurraider21]

I'm sorry, but going into a shell at adversity is cancerous. I imagine you watch enough of the Lakers to know some of the drama with Pau was his fault as well.
cancerous implies he affects the entire team and his attitude spreads, drags the team down, etc. i don't think thats the case with Pau at all

[MI21]

They could have. If they had a bench.

Tbh, they could have with that same shitty bench if Ibaka was fit. Not saying they would have, but they could have. With Ibaka the series was 2-2...

[FireMicoHalili]

If they had a bench.
I have no idea why they stack their bench with character guys like Andre Roberson and Josh Huestis. They're expecting Westbrook/KD to do a lot of heavylifting. I get why character guys are important (e.g. Spurs) but they could have had Anderson. Line-up of Westbrook/Anderson/KD as PG/SG/SF would have been downright scary, if only on the offensive end.

[SpurPadre]

Tbh, they could have with that same shitty bench if Ibaka was fit. Not saying they would have, but they could have. With Ibaka the series was 2-2...

While we're making excuses for the opposition, let's not gloss over the fact TP wasn't at 100% and neither were Manu and Mills, it turns out. We beat Okc because we were the better team.

[FireMicoHalili]

Wonder how Gasol fits though. Big man rotation has been pretty much set, unless of course Pop plans on subtracting more minutes from Duncan and let Gasol man the post for the RS.

[Chinook]

cancerous implies he affects the entire team and his attitude spreads, drags the team down, etc. i don't think thats the case with Pau at all

You don't think a player moping around and dogging it on the court affects other players?

[MI21]

While we're making excuses for the opposition, let's not gloss over the fact TP wasn't at 100% and neither were Manu and Mills, it turns out. We beat Okc because we were the better team.

Not disputing that. Just saying... to discount OKC would be stupid. They could certainly still beat the Spurs as currently constructed. COULD. Not saying they would.

[SpurPadre]

Not disputing that. Just saying... to discount OKC would be stupid. They could certainly still beat the Spurs as currently constructed. COULD. Not saying they would.

Agreed, tbh.

[ElNono]

We lack a backup 3. And considering Patty will miss half the season and Bonner isn't a lock to come back, you could say that our shooting drops off from last season.

So, yeah I'd say Miller fills a bigger need than Gasol even if both are luxuries at this point.

Don't forget Gino being injured after coming back from the Worlds... :lol

[DPG21920]

You don't think a player moping around and dogging it on the court affects other players?

Then Pau is as much of a cancer as Boris Diaw and that worked out ok. Sometimes, being on a bad team leads to unfavorable things. Boris on the Bobcats & Pau on the Lakers. In a relatively healthy locker room, guys like Boris/Pau are undeniably great teammates IMO.

[ElNono]

I'm sorry, but going into a shell at adversity is cancerous. I imagine you watch enough of the Lakers to know some of the drama with Pau was his fault as well.

wth, Pau was one of the guys that actually suited up and played, even though the coach made public he disliked the guy, and the other two 'stars' mailed it in for the season.

Gasol has his diva moments, but he's the ultimate pro. Plus it's not like he wouldn't know what his role will be up-front.

[MI21]

Then Pau is as much of a cancer as Boris Diaw and that worked out ok. Sometimes, being on a bad team leads to unfavorable things. Boris on the Bobcats & Pau on the Lakers. In a relatively healthy locker room, guys like Boris/Pau are undeniably great teammates IMO.

Wholeheartedly agree.

[Chinook]

Then Pau is as much of a cancer as Boris Diaw and that worked out ok. Sometimes, being on a bad team leads to unfavorable things. Boris on the Bobcats & Pau on the Lakers. In a relatively healthy locker room, guys like Boris/Pau are undeniably great teammates IMO.

Diaw is playing with his old friend and has a big role. Gasol wouldn't have the same motivations. For every Diaw, there are multiple Stephen Jacksons -- guys who remain cancers even with different teams if they aren't happy.

[DPG21920]

I just think that is way out there to call Pau a cancer. He was a good soldier that vast majority of the time under terrible circumstances.

[vander]

Diaw is playing with his old friend and has a big role. Gasol wouldn't have the same motivations. For every Diaw, there are multiple Stephen Jacksons -- guys who remain cancers even with different teams if they aren't happy.

I would think Gasol's better than that

[Chinook]

wth, Pau was one of the guys that actually suited up and played, even though the coach made public he disliked the guy, and the other two 'stars' mailed it in for the season.

Gasol has his diva moments, but he's the ultimate pro. Plus it's not like he wouldn't know what his role will be up-front.

Yeah, he didn't miss huge chunks of time last season for questionable reasons or anything...

I think some of you guys have been trolling Lakers fans downstairs for too long. Gasol got a bad rap in LA, but he was hardly without blame.

[ElNono]

Yeah, he didn't miss huge chunks of time last season for questionable reasons or anything...

I think some of you guys have been trolling Lakers fans downstairs for too long. Gasol got a bad rap in LA, but he was hardly without blame.

uh? He only missed 22 games, and the vertigo issue was legit. Pretty impressive considering Mike D will run his players to the absolute ground.

Now you could question he was out there because it was a contract year for him, but the next time I see him mailing it in will be the first time. Plus, for the MLE? Fuck yeah.

I still think he wants to stay in LA... but they haven't even hired a coach yet. I think once the Carmelo/Lebron dominoes fall, he'll decide pretty quickly.

[Mikeanaro]

Everytime things went wrong in Lakerland there were rumors about trading Gasol, I wonder how he feels about that, not Howard being a hipopotamus or Nash too crippled D´Antoni being the worst coach ever or Klobe out.

[spurraider21]

You don't think a player moping around and dogging it on the court affects other players?
i think the "cancer" term is thrown around way too much on this forum, is all

[spurraider21]

I just think that is way out there to call Pau a cancer. He was a good soldier that vast majority of the time under terrible circumstances.
yep. i follow the lakers as much as anybody on this forum, tbh (even the laker fans downstairs). Pau is a true pro and at times was the only guy actually trying to win

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

You're not getting it. We're to the point where there doesn't need to BE a rebuild when Tim and Manu leave. Tony, Kawhi, Tiago, plus the role players, and maybe a developing Kyle + Pau = pretty damn good team. That would keep the window open another 3-4 years.

Exactly! We've got a core to stay relevant beyond the departure of Tim/Manu. Pau would fit that core beautifully.

[Darkwaters]

Anytime the words "cancer" and "Los Angeles" are together it should be universally assumed we're talking about Kobe Bryant (with the exception of the Ron Artest....ahem, Metta World Peace....years).

Pau Gasol as the team cancer? I'm not buying that. The guy was the scapegoat for the failings of that franchise for many years...

[Splits]

yep. i follow the lakers as much as anybody on this forum, tbh (even the laker fans downstairs). Pau is a true pro and at times was the only guy actually trying to win

GTFOH I follow the Lakers more than you and I will just have to fucking say that............ I agree.

For as much shit that has been piled on to Pau, he is a company man and a pro's pro. Dude was the only vet competing in a dead end season for a zombified coach.

[sexinthatsx]

Pau Gasol is not a cancer, that guy is a team player. He only gets a bad rep because Laker fans keep calling him soft. That siad, if the Spurs were to acquire Pau Gasol, it wouldn't be a S&T, but they can only offer the MLE, which Pau Gasol will most likely not take.

[Baam]

Pau has bitched a looot when D'Antoni tried to put him on the bench... People saying he's a good soldier may have missed that episode...

[Chinook]

Pau has bitched a looot when D'Antoni tried to put him on the bench... People saying he's a good soldier may have missed that episode...

I think it was two years ago (2012-2013) that he sat out a lot of games with some exaggerated injury after he got benched. As I said, Pau got shafted, but he was not an innocent victim.

[spurraider21]

GTFOH I follow the Lakers more than you and I will just have to fucking say that............ I agree.

For as much shit that has been piled on to Pau, he is a company man and a pro's pro. Dude was the only vet competing in a dead end season for a zombified coach.
I'm local so I watch most of their games and sports radio is always talking about them... Plus most of my friends irl are fans. But hey, something about keeping enemies closer, etc

[spurraider21]

Pau has bitched a looot when D'Antoni tried to put him on the bench... People saying he's a good soldier may have missed that episode...
:lol any nba player should complain if TOSB Jamison is getting starts and closing games

[Chinook]

:lol any nba player should complain if TOSB Jamison is getting starts and closing games

Splitter seemed fine losing minutes to Bonner.

[spurraider21]

Splitter seemed fine losing minutes to Bonner.
Splitter wasn't a multiple all star who was 2 years removed from being a top 2 player on a title team. Splitter was also losing minutes situationally based onatchipsnhenwas struggling with in the playoffs... Not in the regular season when the new coach in town says he hates the post up and that we benched you because he wants to win

[FireMicoHalili]

Would rather have him than Ayres just because he has more talent. Spurs' FO and Peter Holt always emphasize they bring in players with character, so I'll trust the FO's judgment on Gasol more than anything.

[spurraider21]

if gasol and the spurs actually made a deal, i'm fairly certain his role would be discussed in advanced, so i wouldn't worry about him "accepting a limited role." he wouldn't sign with the Spurs if that was a major concern

[Spursfanfromafar]

Pau's grouchiness under D'Antoni is being over-stated. Basically the Lakers treated him like shit. They played him as a perimeter player - let alone a high post player - and took his skills off drastically from under his feet. Then there was the constant banter about trading him and this screwed with his head badly.

The simultaneous success of Pau in the Spain squad - he was the best player in the 2012 Olympics not long ago - and the fact that he could still hold on to his own whenever his number was being called suggested that the Lakers' management was primarily at fault.

I still believe that he has much to offer even at the age of 34. Just a stable environment and a stable role as a third banana would do him well.

[100%duncan]

How can one call Gasol a cancer when he was forced in a shitty situation with 48.5 and a bunch of scrubs? And let's not forget how he turned LA from a lottery team to a contender, not saying he's still the same player but he will help and is not a cancer. Heck, if you consider Pau as a cancer in LA then what do you call Boris when he was still with the Bobcats? It's not the player, but the environment/

[FireMicoHalili]

Pau's grouchiness under D'Antoni is being over-stated. Basically the Lakers treated him like shit. They played him as a perimeter player - let alone a high post player - and took his skills off drastically from under his feet. Then there was the constant banter about trading him and this screwed with his head badly.

The simultaneous success of Pau in the Spain squad - he was the best player in the 2012 Olympics not long ago - and the fact that he could still hold on to his own whenever his number was being called suggested that the Lakers' management was primarily at fault.

I still believe that he has much to offer even at the age of 34. Just a stable environment and a stable role as a third banana would do him well.
:toast

The RC Bufords in this forum think otherwise though

[BatManu20]

Sorry but if you have the chance to land Gasol for the MLE, you do it and figure things out later. There's always a place for such a talented player like Gasol in San Antonio.

[Raven]

Pau's grouchiness under D'Antoni is being over-stated. Basically the Lakers treated him like shit. They played him as a perimeter player - let alone a high post player - and took his skills off drastically from under his feet. Then there was the constant banter about trading him and this screwed with his head badly.

The simultaneous success of Pau in the Spain squad - he was the best player in the 2012 Olympics not long ago - and the fact that he could still hold on to his own whenever his number was being called suggested that the Lakers' management was primarily at fault.

I still believe that he has much to offer even at the age of 34. Just a stable environment and a stable role as a third banana would do him well.

Well said.

[Raven]

How can one call Gasol a cancer when he was forced in a shitty situation with 48.5 and a bunch of scrubs? And let's not forget how he turned LA from a lottery team to a contender, not saying he's still the same player but he will help and is not a cancer. Heck, if you consider Pau as a cancer in LA then what do you call Boris when he was still with the Bobcats? It's not the player, but the environment/
If anything, he should be called a saint. I still cant believe he put up with all that shit in la...

[100%duncan]

If anything, he should be called a saint. I still cant believe he put up with all that shit in la...

yep

[Prime Time]

Holy crap, 17 pages? How does anyone think the Spurs have even the smallest chance to land Gasol? Not even worth discussing IMO.

[BatManu20]

Holy crap, 17 pages? How does anyone think the Spurs have even the smallest chance to land Gasol? Not even worth discussing IMO.

Typical offseason time-killing pipe dream scenario discussions tbh. Same ol' same ol'.

[100%duncan]

Holy crap, 17 pages? How does anyone think the Spurs have even the smallest chance to land Gasol? Not even worth discussing IMO.

Actually, Spurs are pursuing Gasol openly. Not just as much as the other teams.

[Prime Time]

Actually, Spurs are pursuing Gasol openly. Not just as much as the other teams.
Wanting and having are 2 different things. Gasol's not going to take more than 2x less money to come off the bench.

[100%duncan]

Wanting and having are 2 different things.

You don't say?