Spurs contact Pau Gasol reportedly

[Malik Hairston]

I would lose a ton of respect for Gasol if he stays with the Lakers for the money, considering how they have treated him, tbh..

It wouldn't surprising, though..people think Gasol is a "team-first" guy because he's European, but he frequently ecomplains about touches/role..

[TheGoldStandard]

It's unlike Pop to do recruiting but get him in a room alone with Pau and he'll sign.

[FvckMavs]

From nba.com

Update 10:13 a.m. — Tony Parker recruiting Pau to the Spurs
You don’t have to be fluent in Spanish or French to understand what it is Tony Parker is trying to do in regards to Pau Gasol, yet another quality free agent on the market. Parker has reached out to Gasol and let him know, in English and whatever other language needed, that they want him to join the championship chase in San Antonio.
“Id love to play with Pau and I told him so,” Parker told our good friend of Eduardo Schell in Madrid.

[TheGoldStandard]

From nba.com

Update 10:13 a.m. — Tony Parker recruiting Pau to the Spurs
You don’t have to be fluent in Spanish or French to understand what it is Tony Parker is trying to do in regards to Pau Gasol, yet another quality free agent on the market. Parker has reached out to Gasol and let him know, in English and whatever other language needed, that they want him to join the championship chase in San Antonio.
“Id love to play with Pau and I told him so,” Parker told our good friend of Eduardo Schell in Madrid.

Well at least we know Parker would pass the ball to him

[ceperez]

It's unlike Pop to do recruiting but get him in a room alone with Pau and he'll sign.

Agree entirely.

[lmbebo]

Could Pop's extension also be a way to assure Pau that he'll stick around?

[Bartleby]

I can't help thinking that the timing of Pop's extension is tied to the Spurs' recruiting efforts right now.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I would lose a ton of respect for Gasol if he stays with the Lakers for the money, considering how they have treated him, tbh..

It wouldn't surprising, though..people think Gasol is a "team-first" guy because he's European, but he frequently ecomplains about touches/role..

I wouldn't lose any respect for him. He is already mentally weak, but he is a very skilled player. If he was going to sign with the Lakers, he would have already done so as to lower his 25+mil caphold.

He is just seeing where the chips fall, which is smart. If he can go to the Bulls for more, that's smart. The East sucks. But the reason why the Spurs are still in the running, IMO, is that Pau knows that the Spurs cultural and system is exactly what he would like at this point of his career (not OKC's).

He just wants to justify to himself that he made the right choice taking the MLE to join the Spurs. Some people have confidence issues you know.

[ceperez]

Well at least we know Parker would pass the ball to him

I think Parker and the Gasols are really close.

Do you recall that game were Marc Gasol closed up really hard on Parker. Knocked Parker into the stands. The play is still on and the Grizzlies are on the offensive.... but what does Marc do? He waits for Parker to get up and makes sure he's okay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LarFPknMIjU

Gasol will want to play with Parker... I guarantee it.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I can't help thinking that the timing of Pop's extension is tied to the Spurs' recruiting efforts right now.

That's my sentiments. Pau probably had issues in joining the Spurs b/c Pop would be gone in a year or two. With him now knowing he could end his career along side Pop, it didn't surprise that the Spurs jump right back in front with NY and Chi in the latest reports. Parker possibly conveyed this to Pop when he met with Pau and so Pop showed Pau just how much he wanted him to join the Spurs.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I think Parker and the Gasols are really close.

Do you recall that game were Marc Gasol closed up really hard on Parker. Knocked Parker into the stands. The play is still on and the Grizzlies are on the offensive.... but what does Marc do? He waits for Parker to get up and makes sure he's okay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LarFPknMIjU

Gasol will want to play with Parker... I guarantee it.

Parker was in those camps mentoring him and others for like 3 years while Gasol was a teenager. These guys have been knowing each other for awhile.

[Ron Swanson]

I can't help thinking that the timing of Pop's extension is tied to the Spurs' recruiting efforts right now.


I agree. It definitely shows we're maintaining some stability in the future.

[FireMicoHalili]

Win-win situation for those saying he isn't coming. If he goes elsewhere, they can say "I told you so"; if he comes to SA, Spurs acquire more talent. Easier to be cynical and say no. I would worry about the amount of PT he'd be getting though.

Not sure why Bulls want him if they still have Boozer. Not sure Gasol is an upgrade. The Thunder make sense. So do the Knicks and Lakers.

[lmbebo]

My guess is if he doesn't get a bigger money offer, he may join Spurs.

[ceperez]

Win-win situation for those saying he isn't coming. If he goes elsewhere, they can say "I told you so"; if he comes to SA, Spurs acquire more talent. Easier to say be cynical and say no. I would worry about the amount of PT he'd be getting though.

Not sure why Bulls want him if they still have Boozer. Not sure Gasol is an upgrade. The Thunder make sense. So do the Knicks and Lakers.

The Spurs are going to keep their aging players playing time to the minimum. If Pau is looking for an extended career, then it is obvious that the Spurs is his best choice. I'm sure Pau dreaded having to play for the Lakers in a situation where they were out of the playoffs. He's thinking, "why should add mileage to my body for a losing cause?".

[Prime Time]

Well could you enlighten us as to when it is appropriate to think about next year. Do you have the championship celebratory rule book or guidelines that you could paste for us uneducated champions?
Perhaps I wasn't clear on the intentions of my post. I just find it funny how fast we all got over the championship high and now we're all discussing what the Spurs should/could do next season as if we didn't just experience something that will forever be in the books.

I mean, I was one of the few optimistic posters during the 5-10 months of "It still hurts :(" and "Why was Duncan out :bang", and now that we actually fricken won I expected more of a long-term celebration. Perhaps I'm the one being irrational.

[Malik Hairston]

Win-win situation for those saying he isn't coming. If he goes elsewhere, they can say "I told you so"; if he comes to SA, Spurs acquire more talent. Easier to be cynical and say no. I would worry about the amount of PT he'd be getting though.

Not sure why Bulls want him if they still have Boozer. Not sure Gasol is an upgrade. The Thunder make sense. So do the Knicks and Lakers.

:lol Current Gasol has become a little overrated, but he's still a colossal upgrade over Boozer, not even close..

[Seventyniner]

The Spurs are going to keep their aging players playing time to the minimum. If Pau is looking for an extended career, then it is obvious that the Spurs is his best choice. I'm sure Pau dreaded having to play for the Lakers in a situation where they were out of the playoffs. He's thinking, "why should add mileage to my body for a losing cause?".

The Spurs could very well try a pseudo "superteam" model where they get very good players near the end of their careers willing to take a pay cut and fewer minutes.

[spursparker9]

I think Parker and the Gasols are really close.

Do you recall that game were Marc Gasol closed up really hard on Parker. Knocked Parker into the stands. The play is still on and the Grizzlies are on the offensive.... but what does Marc do? He waits for Parker to get up and makes sure he's okay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LarFPknMIjU

Gasol will want to play with Parker... I guarantee it.


Good sportsmanship by Marc, considering that it was WCF and an elimination game.

[Mel_13]

Perhaps I wasn't clear on the intentions of my post. I just find it funny how fast we all got over the championship high and now we're all discussing what the Spurs should/could do next season as if we didn't just experience something that will forever be in the books.

I mean, I was one of the few optimistic posters during the 5-10 months of "It still hurts :(" and "Why was Duncan out :bang", and now that we actually fricken won I expected more of a long-term celebration. Perhaps I'm the one being irrational.

You're not. Plenty of people understood your sentiments perfectly.

[Ditty]

I really like how things are sounding right now for the Spurs and Gasol. Seems like good ol' quiet fashion from RC and Pop.

[FireMicoHalili]

:lol Current Gasol has become a little overrated, but he's still a colossal upgrade over Boozer, not even close..
Point. But if they're amnestying Booz just to free up space for Gasol...they'd be paying Boozer for nothing. Seems like a waste, or I'm probably too used to the Spurs' penny-pinching ways.

[Malik Hairston]

Bulls are in a tough spot..

If they want Gasol, they're going to work out a deal that probably pays him more than he's currently worth, but they're still in win-now mode..Thibs always wants to win, and who knows how long Rose will be around for..

I'd take the risk on Gasol and try to win now while the East is at such a weak level, tbh..

Rose
Butler
Dunleavy
Gasol
Noah

Gibson
Mirotic
Augustin
McDermott

That's a loaded team in a weak East against a declining Heat team..

[FireMicoHalili]

Lol we aren't even sure if the "Heatles" (terrible, I feel bad for The Beatles) are coming back

[FromWayDowntown]

1. Pau Gasol seems made for this Spurs team -- in demeanor, in style of play, in priorities, in culture.

2. It makes perfect sense for the Spurs to do all of their due diligence to make the offer and ensure that they've given Pau every shred of information and understanding he might need about their sincere desire to add him.

3. Most commentators/pundits would applaud Pau for taking less money than might be offered in other places to try to win in SA.

4. Pau coming to SA would be the perfect ending to Pop's sarcastic call for a trade committee in 2008.

5. I don't think there's any realistic chance that Pau Gasol will play for the Spurs in 2014-15.

[SpursFan86]

The Bulls are apparently going after Stephenson. Hopefully they work something out with him, leaving Pau to decide between NY/LA/OKC/us. I think we'd be the 2nd choice after LA in that scenario.

BTW, Malik Hairston, you're killing me with these Mia Malkova avatars...:lol

[Ron Swanson]

The Bulls are apparently going after Stephenson. Hopefully they work something out with him, leaving Pau to decide between NY/LA/OKC/us. I think we'd be the 2nd choice after LA in that scenario.

BTW, Malik Hairston (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18403), you're killing me with these Mia Malkova avatars...:lol

No kidding.

[ceperez]

1. Pau Gasol seems made for this Spurs team -- in demeanor, in style of play, in priorities, in culture.

2. It makes perfect sense for the Spurs to do all of their due diligence to make the offer and ensure that they've given Pau every shred of information and understanding he might need about their sincere desire to add him.

3. Most commentators/pundits would applaud Pau for taking less money than might be offered in other places to try to win in SA.

4. Pau coming to SA would be the perfect ending to Pop's sarcastic call for a trade committee in 2008.

5. I don't think there's any realistic chance that Pau Gasol will play for the Spurs in 2014-15.

I think #4 is the best reason why Pau should sign with the Spurs. Payback time for how the Lakers have treated him recently.

[Spur|n|Austin]

I really like how things are sounding right now for the Spurs and Gasol. Seems like good ol' quiet fashion from RC and Pop.

[FireMicoHalili]

Lots of interest in Gasol from the Spurs, sure I love it, but I wonder why they haven't met with him. None that I've heard of, at least. I mean, if they have this "persistence", as Wojnarowski recently reported, why haven't they scheduled to meet him? If they can set something up with Bazemore with a casual interest, surely this persistence pushes them to at least set a meeting? OKC's done it afaik

[Mel_13]

Lots of interest in Gasol from the Spurs, sure I love it, but I wonder why they haven't met with him. None that I've heard of, at least. I mean, if they have this "persistence", as Wojnarowski recently reported, why haven't they scheduled to meet him? If they can set something up with Bazemore with a casual interest, surely this persistence pushes them to at least set a meeting? OKC's done it afaik

I'm sure they'd welcome a visit by Gasol. Durant, Westbrook, and Brooks went to LA to talk to Gasol. I don't see Pop and Tim flying to LA to recruit Gasol.

[DPG21920]

I believe when you hear "persistence" regarding the Spurs it means they have been in consistent contact with Paus camp. They made their best offer, offer up their ear in case he has questions & perhaps outline their plans for him.

[TheGoldStandard]

Lots of interest in Gasol from the Spurs, sure I love it, but I wonder why they haven't met with him. None that I've heard of, at least. I mean, if they have this "persistence", as Wojnarowski recently reported, why haven't they scheduled to meet him? If they can set something up with Bazemore with a casual interest, surely this persistence pushes them to at least set a meeting? OKC's done it afaik

The Spurs won't go out of there way to do a song and dance for a Free Agent. RC is probably making calls everyday saying they're still interested and would make roster room for him if he decided to come, probably said he would be in contention for a starting spot during camp. Outside of that the Spurs won't do much else, it's up to the individual players etc coaches to reach out and gauge interest which Parker has been on the record as saying he would like Pau, they had dinner etc but that's about it. If asked Tim would probably make a phone call or take a phone call, sit in on a conference call but he's not going to drop what he's doing to go fly to LA to talk to Pau.

If Pop or RC called him up and asked him to fly down for a day or two to see how he likes the culture and they got him in a room Pop would sell him in a heartbeat. The intelligence of that man is second to none in the league and Pau would be a fool to want to be coached anywhere else.

[FireMicoHalili]

I'm sure they'd welcome a visit by Gasol. Durant, Westbrook, and Brooks went to LA to talk to Gasol. I don't see Pop and Tim flying to LA to recruit Gasol.
Heard nothing of Bazemore's meetings with the Spurs, and I'm hardly acquainted with how Spurs sign FAs. Certainly haven't heard of them wooing players though so you're right, Pop and Co. probably aren't that big on recruitment. Thanks

[SouthernFried]

5. I don't think there's any realistic chance that Pau Gasol will play for the Spurs in 2014-15.

This

[FireMicoHalili]

The Spurs won't go out of there way to do a song and dance for a Free Agent. RC is probably making calls everyday saying they're still interested and would make roster room for him if he decided to come, probably said he would be in contention for a starting spot during camp. Outside of that the Spurs won't do much else, it's up to the individual players etc coaches to reach out and gauge interest which Parker has been on the record as saying he would like Pau, they had dinner etc but that's about it. If asked Tim would probably make a phone call or take a phone call, sit in on a conference call but he's not going to drop what he's doing to go fly to LA to talk to Pau.

If Pop or RC called him up and asked him to fly down for a day or two to see how he likes the culture and they got him in a room Pop would sell him in a heartbeat. The intelligence of that man is second to none in the league and Pau would be a fool to want to be coached anywhere else.
Aight thanks for your two cents man :toast

[midnightpulp]

Hope this gets done. It's a long shot (Gasol's camp probably using the Spurs as leverage), but at least there's a shot. Gasol, while no spring chicken, is still relatively young and should have a good 3-4 years left if he stays healthy, since his game doesn't rely on athleticism. He's basically a clone of Duncan without the defense, but has a better jumper. Gasol would be about the best you can do for a Duncan replacement going forward if Tim retires after this season. Gasol coming opens up the contender/title window for another 3 or 4 years.

[FromWayDowntown]

I think the Spurs have learned that the wining and dining doesn't really do much (and shouldn't). If a player is actually going to make a decision based on being wooed, I'd actually wonder about the sincerity of the choice he's making.

With a player who's been around the league for a very long time, like Gasol has, what the Spurs offer is well-known and quite obvious. All that's there for the Spurs, really, is to express their interest, answer whatever questions or concerns the player might have, and make an offer and see what he does with it.

My guess is that meetings with guys like Bazemore aren't really to pitch the Spurs to him as much as they are for the team to learn more about the player. A meeting with a younger player who's more of an unknown makes more sense to me, as a means for the team to gauge what the player is about and whether he's likely to fit in to your culture

[jag]

I think the Spurs have learned that the wining and dining doesn't really do much (and shouldn't). If a player is actually going to make a decision based on being wooed, I'd actually wonder about the sincerity of the choice he's making.

With a player who's been around the league for a very long time, like Gasol has, what the Spurs offer is well-known and quite obvious. All that's there for the Spurs, really, is to express their interest, answer whatever questions or concerns the player might have, and make an offer and see what he does with it.

My guess is that meetings with guys like Bazemore aren't really to pitch the Spurs to him as much as they are for the team to learn more about the player. A meeting with a younger player who's more of an unknown makes more sense to me, as a means for the team to gauge what the player is about and whether he's likely to fit in to your culture

[FromWayDowntown]

I also think some teams use "meetings" with players as a way to convince fans that they've tried to make changes in some tangible way and to give them cover when fans start suggesting that the team hasn't tried. If you meet with a player and pitch your team to him, when he chooses to go elsewhere it's on him; your fans can at least say you've tried.

I don't think the Spurs really care much about placating their fans in that way.

[dunkman]

Pau will be a Spur.

[Uriel]

If Melo signs with the Bulls, will they also have enough cap space to sign Gasol? If not, then shouldn't Spurs fans be hoping that Melo picks Chicago so Gasol comes to San Antonio?

[SpursFan86]

If Melo signs with the Bulls, will they also have enough cap space to sign Gasol? If not, then shouldn't Spurs fans be hoping that Melo picks Chicago so Gasol comes to San Antonio?

From the sound of things, Melo's options are basically down to NY and LA...Chicago is out of the picture at this point it seems.

A more likely scenario we should hope for would be the Bulls signing Lance Stephenson (who they expressed interest in yesterday), in which case I think they'd have to give up on Pau.

[SsKSpurs21]

I am now starting to think that Pau is using the Spurs as leverage. He is basically keeping the Spurs in his back pocket because everyone knows how much better the Spurs will be with Pau. This will probably scare the bulls or lakers into overpaying him just to keep him away from San An.

[TheGoldStandard]

From the sound of things, Melo's options are basically down to NY and LA...Chicago is out of the picture at this point it seems.

A more likely scenario we should hope for would be the Bulls signing Lance Stephenson (who they expressed interest in yesterday), in which case I think they'd have to give up on Pau.

Melo would be a complete dumbass to go to LA. That place is a cesspool now.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I am now starting to think that Pau is using the Spurs as leverage. He is basically keeping the Spurs in his back pocket because everyone knows how much better the Spurs will be with Pau. This will probably scare the bulls or lakers into overpaying him just to keep him away from San An.

For one, Lakers can pay Gasol whatever they like. This would have no bearing on how much the Lakers offer him. The Bulls are out East and could careless about the Spurs right now. They still have to make it past the Wizards for crying out loud.

Gasol already put a price tag on himself, 10 mil. Only way the Bulls can get Gasol for that price tag is by Amnestying Boozer, which would be a stupid move at this point. NY only has the mini MLE to offer Gasol. OKC is out of the running.

So its b/n the Lakers and Spurs at this point IMO. I think the Bulls are balking on the idea of Amnestying Boozer and are looking to the S&T for Stephenson. IF Melo signs with the Lakers, Pau possibly goes back, but if he signs with NY, Pau probably goes to the Spurs.

[jag]

For one, Lakers can pay Gasol whatever they like. This would have no bearing on how much the Lakers offer him. The Bulls are out East and could careless about the Spurs right now. They still have to make it past the Wizards for crying out loud.

Gasol already put a price tag on himself, 10 mil. Only way the Bulls can get Gasol for that price tag is by Amnestying Boozer, which would be a stupid move at this point. NY only has the mini MLE to offer Gasol. OKC is out of the running.

So its b/n the Lakers and Spurs at this point IMO. I think the Bulls are balking on the idea of Amnestying Boozer and are looking to the S&T for Stephenson. IF Melo signs with the Lakers, Pau possibly goes back, but if he signs with NY, Pau probably goes to the Spurs.

I still don't see why Pau wouldn't take significantly more money to stay in LA. I think it's actually between the Bulls and Lakers.

The Bulls will continue to try to trade Boozer but I doubt they'll be able to unload him. If they're still stuck with him on the 16th, I think he'll be amnestied. Gasol will then go to the Bulls.

[Mel_13]

For one, Lakers can pay Gasol whatever they like. This would have no bearing on how much the Lakers offer him. The Bulls are out East and could careless about the Spurs right now. They still have to make it past the Wizards for crying out loud.

Gasol already put a price tag on himself, 10 mil. Only way the Bulls can get Gasol for that price tag is by Amnestying Boozer, which would be a stupid move at this point. NY only has the mini MLE to offer Gasol. OKC is out of the running.

So its b/n the Lakers and Spurs at this point IMO. I think the Bulls are balking on the idea of Amnestying Boozer and are looking to the S&T for Stephenson. IF Melo signs with the Lakers, Pau possibly goes back, but if he signs with NY, Pau probably goes to the Spurs.

1. They can pay Pau whatever they like once they've given up on Melo.

2. Why is it more likely that Pau would stay in LA if Melo chooses the Lakers? In that scenario, Pau has to take a huge pay cut.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I still don't see why Pau wouldn't take significantly more money to stay in LA. I think it's actually between the Bulls and Lakers.

The Bulls will continue to try to trade Boozer but I doubt they'll be able to unload him. If they're still stuck with him on the 16th, I think he'll be amnestied. Gasol will then go to the Bulls.

Why??

Maybe b/c they have treated him like shit for the past 3 years. Kobe's wife breaking up his engagement, Kobe always criticizing him, fans there always calling him soft, need I go on.

There is a reason that dude broke mentality last year. He just had enough of that circus. Even Horry and Malone said playing for the Lakers was like a circus. Only can take so much of that shit.

[jag]

If/when Melo goes to NY and if/when the Bulls amnesty Boozer, there will be two teams able to offer Pau the money he's looking for.

A lot of strange stuff would have to happen in LA and Chicago for the Spurs to legitimately be in play for Pau.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

1. They can pay Pau whatever they like once they've given up on Melo.

2. Why is it more likely that Pau would stay in LA if Melo chooses the Lakers? In that scenario, Pau has to take a huge pay cut.

Lakers at this point can pay him whatever, which is my point. If the Lakers sign Melo, Pau can still get the 10 mil he is looking for. Pau probably just wants an incentive to go back. Apart from winning more games, with Melo, he will no longer be the punching bag if the Lakers start to suck. Melo and Kobe will get most of the criticism.

At this point, its worth the paycut to come to the Spurs where people don't throw you under the bus for every little thing.

[Mel_13]

Lakers at this point can pay him whatever, which is my point. If the Lakers sign Melo, Pau can still get the 10 mil he is looking for. Pau probably just wants an incentive to go back. Apart from winning more games, with Melo, he will no longer be the punching bag if the Lakers start to suck. Melo and Kobe will get most of the criticism.

At this point, its worth the paycut to come to the Spurs where people don't throw you under the bus for every little thing.

He can't get the 10M if Melo signs with LA, unless Melo takes much less than the max.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

He can't get the 10M if Melo signs with LA, unless Melo takes much less than the max.

Which I assume that he would, which why is the report came out that most in Melo's camp have advise him to take the 129mil offer and look for a trade later if needed, b/c others teams are probably low balling Melo at this point.

Gasol options are running thin to be on a contending team for the price tag he set himself at. He could get that elsewhere, but he wouldn't be contending next year or the year after that.

[ceperez]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2124539-pau-gasol-should-do-the-unthinkable-join-san-antonio-spurs#articles/2124539-pau-gasol-should-do-the-unthinkable-join-san-antonio-spurs


Wojnarowski separately reports that "Gasol, 33, has been searching for a contract in the $10 million annual range, but hasn't ruled out the possibility of taking a deal in the mid-level exception range of $5.3 million annually, sources said."

[Mel_13]

Which I assume that he would, which why is the report came out that most in Melo's camp have advise him to take the 129mil offer and look for a trade later if needed, b/c others teams are probably low balling Melo at this point.

Gasol options are running thin to be on a contending team for the price tag he set himself at. He could get that elsewhere, but he wouldn't be contending next year or the year after that.

I don't see any reason to assume that Melo would sign with LA for less than the max, but we'll know about both of them in the next few days.

Gasol to the Spurs would be the icing on a very good offseason cake.

[ceperez]

The San Antonio Spurs don’t need any additional help after winning yet another NBA Championship, but if Tony Parker gets his way – they may get it. The French point guard has known fellow European Pau Gasol for quite some time and has envisioned playing with the power forward on more than one occasion.

More: http://fansided.com/2014/07/10/pau-gasol-rumors-tony-parker-recruiting-spurs/#!bcqrmh

[tmtcsc]

The San Antonio Spurs don’t need any additional help after winning yet another NBA Championship, but if Tony Parker gets his way – they may get it. The French point guard has known fellow European Pau Gasol for quite some time and has envisioned playing with the power forward on more than one occasion.

More: http://fansided.com/2014/07/10/pau-gasol-rumors-tony-parker-recruiting-spurs/#!bcqrmh

Ah yes...envisioning playing with Pau Gasol after playing and winning Championships with one of the best players of all time. He must be chomping at the bit to play with a fellow euro. Nevermind that many of his teammates are already international players.

Let's just cut the bullshit. If he wants to play here and is not a passive pussy - then great - he'll add depth to an already stacked team. Otherwise, take all your drama, go play somewhere else and make more $$. We'll win without him.

[Vic Petro]

I'll believe Reinsdorf amnesties Boozer when I see it. He's one of the cheapest owners in the league.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I'll believe Reinsdorf amnesties Boozer when I see it. He's one of the cheapest owners in the league.

I honestly believe he would have (or will) amnestied Boozer for a shot at either LeBron or Melo, but I'm with you in regards to Gasol. I cannot see Reinsdorf paying Boozer to leave and then paying Gasol $10M/yr - he would essentially be paying ~$22M to get Gasol on the Bulls (considering that they'd have to pay the difference of the contract once someone places a bid on Boozer, at least around the MLE-level).

[ceperez]

OKC a long shot

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/11191669/oklahoma-city-thunder-scott-brooks-meets-pau-gasol

Oklahoma City Thunder coach Scott Brooks met with coveted free agent Pau Gasol in Southern California on Monday, multiple league sources told ESPNLosAngeles.com, but the team quietly considers it a "long shot" to acquire him.

[ceperez]

I honestly believe he would have (or will) amnestied Boozer for a shot at either LeBron or Melo, but I'm with you in regards to Gasol. I cannot see Reinsdorf paying Boozer to leave and then paying Gasol $10M/yr - he would essentially be paying ~$22M to get Gasol on the Bulls (considering that they'd have to pay the difference of the contract once someone places a bid on Boozer, at least around the MLE-level).

I agree, not going to happen for a 34 year old player that's on the decline.

What Pau needs is less playing time, not more and there's only one team in the planet that's going to have him play less and still win the title.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I don't see any reason to assume that Melo would sign with LA for less than the max, but we'll know about both of them in the next few days.

Gasol to the Spurs would be the icing on a very good offseason cake.

I agree with you. The Lakers would only have 4 mil in cap space to fill the required 8 more positions (13 players) on their team. That is why I see him going back to NY. Which basically leave the Spurs at the frontrunners until Chicago does commit to Amnestying Boozer which I have said before would be asinine if they do.

Boozer is the only guy the in a solid contributor on that team that has been able to stay healthy for most of the season. Do the Bulls really think a PF that has been injured the past couple of seasons is really going to take them over the top. And the fact that you will have to spend 27mil this year to get him and have Gibson at 8mil on the roster as well.

[ceperez]

I agree with you. The Lakers would only have 4 mil in cap space to fill the required 8 more positions (13 players) on their team. That is why I see him going back to NY. Which basically leave the Spurs at the frontrunners until Chicago does commit to Amnestying Boozer which I have said before would be asinine if they do.

Boozer is the only guy the in a solid contributor on that team that has been able to stay healthy for most of the season. Do the Bulls really think a PF that has been injured the past couple of seasons is really going to take them over the top. And the fact that you will have to spend 27mil this year to get him and have Gibson at 8mil on the roster as well.

Indeed odd that the press is saying that the Bulls are the front runners. I think this is just a projection of Pau's agent wanting a bigger paycheck.

So recap....

(1) Bulls can't afford to amnesty Boozer.
(2) OKC thinks it is a long shot. Pau questions the 'cultural diversity'.
(3) Melo is going to NYC. NYC can only offer like $3m.
(4) Melo is not going to LA. LA odds of winning are slim to nil. Pau going to take his talents elsewhere.

okay... which team is left in contention?

[shaq_h8ter]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqGafo4CUAEDZ5-.jpg:large

You hear that Pau. That's pride fuckin' with you.
Fuck pride! Pride only hurts, it never helps.
You fight through that shit cause you ain't gonna get the max!
Join the Spurs!!!

[Mr. Body]

Indeed odd that the press is saying that the Bulls are the front runners. I think this is just a projection of Pau's agent wanting a bigger paycheck.

So recap....

(1) Bulls can't afford to amnesty Boozer.
(2) OKC thinks it is a long shot. Pau questions the 'cultural diversity'.
(3) Melo is going to NYC. NYC can only offer like $3m.
(4) Melo is not going to LA. LA odds of winning are slim to nil. Pau going to take his talents elsewhere.

okay... which team is left in contention?

Seems he might (might) have winnowed things down to three:

1. The biggest money: He's picked Chicago out of any potential suitors. He'll have the playing time -- they need him badly, and he'll start and get plenty of run for a good defensive team that stands a chance to be a contendor.

2. The medium money: This is Miami. There's a chance, albeit a flickering one, that Bosh goes to Houston, LeBron stays, and Riley is good with replacing a stretch four with a good post player. This looks now to be unlikely.

3. The MLE: This is San Antonio. Maybe. He has some suitors who can only give him the smallest reasonable amount and of these, SAS is by far the most appealing. Sure, he won't get the playing time, but he'll love the team environment.

I think he's made his decisions for each team within each category, and the final decision will unfortunately for us be the correct one -- Chicago.

[Twisted_Dawg]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqGafo4CUAEDZ5-.jpg:large

You hear that Pau. In the middle of the negotiations, you're going to feel a stinging sensation. That's pride fuckin' with you.
Fuck pride! Pride only hurts, it never helps.
You fight through that shit cause you ain't gonna get the max!
Join the Spurs!!!

FIFY

[szkorhetz]

Seems he might (might) have winnowed things down to three:

1. The biggest money: He's picked Chicago out of any potential suitors. He'll have the playing time -- they need him badly, and he'll start and get plenty of run for a good defensive team that stands a chance to be a contendor.

2. The medium money: This is Miami. There's a chance, albeit a flickering one, that Bosh goes to Houston, LeBron stays, and Riley is good with replacing a stretch four with a good post player. This looks now to be unlikely.

3. The MLE: This is San Antonio. Maybe. He has some suitors who can only give him the smallest reasonable amount and of these, SAS is by far the most appealing. Sure, he won't get the playing time, but he'll love the team environment.

I think he's made his decisions for each team within each category, and the final decision will unfortunately for us be the correct one -- Chicago.
Right now it seems like the Bulls won't have any more money than the MLE so what do they have? They franchise player played a combined 50 games in the last three season? Other than the fucking overrated Butler, what kind of wings do they have? Brewer? Dunleavy? Jimmer? Thibs is running a 8 man rotation in the regular season, making everyone teared down, which will cause them huge disadvantage in the PO, just we saw this year. Bulls are a very badly managed team with no clear future and I truly expect Gasol to see this.

[Johnny RIngo]

Pau's going to the team that will offer the most money. Every free agent always talks about wanting to be in a winning situation but they always end up taking the deal that offers the best money. Pau won't take a paycut to play in a city like OKC or SA.

[ceperez]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/07/02/report-gasol-seriously-considering-spurs/


Gasol expressed admiration for the Spurs in an interview with Spanish web site Marca.com in May.

“The Spurs’ players maybe don’t rack up statistics, but the team and the coach they have, to me, seems like a very good option,” he said then. “In the end, I’m more interested in a team than an individual player and how I would adjust and be worked into the system.”


He's got no other option left but the Spurs!

It's in the bag folks... Pau Gasol will sign with the Spurs.

[BatManu20]

Chicago bound imo. Lakers second option. He loves LA and is loyal to Kobe so wouldn't be surprised if he stays. Knicks with Melo and Phil are likely even ahead of SA.

[ceperez]

Chicago bound imo. Lakers second option. He loves LA and is loyal to Kobe so wouldn't be surprised if he stays. Knicks with Melo and Phil are likely even ahead of SA.

Chicago is not going to pull the sign and trade for Boozer. Pau has had too many injuries last season and is already 34 years old.

LA doesn't even have a coach! I mean, he didn't even like the last coach.

Knicks can only offer him $3m.

[look_at_g_shred]

I believe it's CHI/LA/NYK then maybe us...
Sure he'd love to play with a team, yet when it comes down to HIS money, he'll want the most.

[ceperez]

I believe it's CHI/LA/NYK then maybe us...
Sure he'd love to play with a team, yet when it comes down to HIS money, he'll want the most.

Curious about the Knicks situation. Don't they have only the MLE to offer? Their MLE is like around 3 million.

So they trade some assets to get Gasol? Plausible.

Though still no where near a winning team.

[Ron Swanson]

He's going to shock everyone and sign with Sacramento for the vet minimum.

[Big Empty]

i wonder if anyone besides tony has contacted Pau

[Kindergarten Cop]

While most assume that Chicago is the most likely destination for Gasol because they can supposedly offer more money, I'm curious where this money is coming from exactly and how they can offer him significantly more than the MLE. They currently have around $70.3M in guaranteed contracts plus more than $3M slotted for Mirotic and McDermott. I've heard that they can offer Gasol the $10-$12M that he's asking for, but even if they amnesty Boozer's $16.8M contract (which I find it hard to believe that Reinsdorf does, at least for Gasol) they would be at ~$56.5M (or around $6.6M below the cap). How do they shed the extra $3.5-$4M? Or am I missing something? I know that they could find a trading partner to take Butler or Dunleavy and not take any contracts back, but would that really be worth it just to get Pau? Would Pau want that?

I apologize for all of the questions, but I was just curious if anyone could clarify this with so many people tossing out the "Chicago can offer more money than the Spurs and OKC". Thanks in advance.

EDIT: I know all of this is moot if the Bulls can convince the Lakers to do a sign-and-trade involving Boozer and Gasol.

[Jdspur20]

Couldn't the spurs offer him more money after next season if he signed for 1 year at the full MLE?

[Kindergarten Cop]

Couldn't the spurs offer him more money after next season if he signed for 1 year at the full MLE?

Yes, if Duncan and Manu both walk off into the sunset.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Couldn't the spurs offer him more money after next season if he signed for 1 year at the full MLE?

Yes, and this is most likely a key "selling point" for the FO if they are truly doing any heavy pulling on this to go through.

[ViceCity84]

Starting to think this might happen.

[slick'81]

The Knicks don't have any xtra money to throw at gasol ,Jackson just thinks he can talk him into it.chicago is dangerous because they can cut or trade boozer in order to free up $$ for gasol .the lakers of course can offer him the most $$ right now

[Seventyniner]

Couldn't the spurs offer him more money after next season if he signed for 1 year at the full MLE?

They can't promise it, though. The Wolves got in trouble with the league for signing Joe Smith to three consecutive one-year contracts (iirc) to get his Bird rights even though they had no cap room.

[Mugen]

I'll be very, VERY surprised if he doesn't go back to LA for twice the MLE when it's all said and done.

[pgardn]

I'll be very, VERY surprised if he doesn't go back to LA for twice the MLE when it's all said and done.

[Jdspur20]

Yes, and this is most likely a key "selling point" for the FO if they are truly doing any heavy pulling on this to go through.

Even if Duncan and Manu come back, would they make as much as they do now is the question. Honestly, I see Manu retiring before Duncan.

[gambit1990]

Starting to think this might happen.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Come on Pau!

[gambit1990]

but i don't know how much chicago and new york can offer him.

[xmas1997]

but i don't know how much chicago and new york can offer him.

More.

[FireMicoHalili]

I agree with you. The Lakers would only have 4 mil in cap space to fill the required 8 more positions (13 players) on their team. That is why I see him going back to NY. Which basically leave the Spurs at the frontrunners until Chicago does commit to Amnestying Boozer which I have said before would be asinine if they do.

Boozer is the only guy the in a solid contributor on that team that has been able to stay healthy for most of the season. Do the Bulls really think a PF that has been injured the past couple of seasons is really going to take them over the top. And the fact that you will have to spend 27mil this year to get him and have Gibson at 8mil on the roster as well.
Worth mentioning most of his injuries last season were "respiratory infections" and/or vertigo. Respiratory infection probably the common cold, so I don't know whether he lacked motivation or LAL brass just wanted to shelf him; I'd be a bit concerned if it were the former.

[Kindergarten Cop]

but i don't know how much chicago and new york can offer him.


More.

Chicago can offer more if they amnesty Boozer, but Knicks can only offer ~$3.28M.

[gambit1990]

Chicago can offer more if they amnesty Boozer, but Knicks can only offer ~$3.5M.

so chicago can potentially offer the most, then the spurs at a little over $5 million, then the knicks. how about la and okc?

[Kindergarten Cop]

so chicago can potentially offer the most, then the spurs at a little over $5 million, then the knicks. how about la and okc?

The Lakers can actually offer the most (theoretically, they could offer him the max if they wanted to). The other offers: Chicago (supposedly ~$10M if they amnesty Boozer), OKC ($6.5M via Trade Exception, but likely only MLE), Spurs (MLE), and Knicks ($3.28M).

[Big P]

LA can pay him more than any other team and okc has the same amount we do.

[SpursFan86]

Been hearing that Chicago is getting close to a deal with Mirotic...you'd have to think that would take them out of the Pau race, no? Although a Noah/Pau/Taj Gibson/Mirotic big rotation would be pretty damn good.

I honestly think it'll come down to LA or us, with LA being the clear favorites since they can offer far more money + Kobe/Pau's relationship.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Even if Duncan and Manu come back, would they make as much as they do now is the question. Honestly, I see Manu retiring before Duncan.

Yeah, that is a good question - I would imagine that they take significant pay cuts. I also agree with you, Manu def has less tread on his tires than Timmy, and TD takes better care of his body.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Yeah, that is a good question - I would imagine that they take significant pay cuts. I also agree with you, Manu def has less tread on his tires than Timmy, and TD takes better care of his body.

Their style of play contributes a great deal to the longevity of their careers as well. Ginobili is just so darned reckless - which is what makes him so great, yet so prone to injury.

[EIC]

I don't see why Pau would go to the Lakers. Literally the ONLY player they have worth a shit is Kobe and he's going to play, if at all, one or two more years. And do they even have a coach yet? The Lakers have been an unmitigated disaster since Phil left and the front office has shown Pau nothing but ambivalence. If he re-signs with the Lakers, he's too stupid to deserve a spot on the Spurs' roster anyway, IMO.*

*Assuming his goal is to win another ring, not maximize his income.

[spurraider21]

I don't see why Pau would go to the Lakers. Literally the ONLY player they have worth a shit is Kobe and he's going to play, if at all, one or two more years. And do they even have a coach yet? The Lakers have been an unmitigated disaster since Phil left and the front office has shown Pau nothing but ambivalence. If he resigns with the Lakers, he's too stupid to deserve a spot on the Spurs' roster anyway, IMO.*

*Assuming his goal is to win another ring, not maximize his income.
bingo

[heyheymymy]

Spurs fan is still on a major high, so I don't blame them for feeling good about next season.

But damn, I can't believe how fast y'all are willing to move on from what happened not even a month ago today. We won the goddamn CHAMPIONSHIP, you know - the thing you've been 'craving' since 2007 - and most of you are debating about what SA should do next season? I'm going to be Mr.Obvious here, but you can't get any higher than a NBA championship. Think about that. Spurs were the best team in the league last season, who knows when we'll be able to say that again? Considering injury chances, regression via age, free-agency losses, etc.

Seriously, we bitched about 6 about 10x longer than we have celebrated 5

prime going HAM from the heart A+

[FireMicoHalili]

Snap you're right, Coach Pop and RC should definitely skip offseason and celebrate the championship some more instead

[spurraider21]

Snap you're right, Coach Pop and RC should definitely skip offseason and celebrate the championship some more instead
who's skipping the offseason. we've resigned 2 rotation players and extended our coach. our roster is basically already set, unless somebody takes an undervalued MLE like gasol, which is unlikely anyway

[tholdren]

so chicago can potentially offer the most, then the spurs at a little over $5 million, then the knicks. how about la and okc?
off topic - that video is really neat. It's hard to imagine any other team being genuinely happy for each other. what a good bunch of dudes, even errors.

[cd021]

Been hearing that Chicago is getting close to a deal with Mirotic...you'd have to think that would take them out of the Pau race, no? Although a Noah/Pau/Taj Gibson/Mirotic big rotation would be pretty damn good.

I honestly think it'll come down to LA or us, with LA being the clear favorites since they can offer far more money + Kobe/Pau's relationship.

Not to mention McDermott's rook deal hasn't been signed yet. Thats another $1.9 million to the pot. Also heard that OKC is pessimistic about Gasol because of his reluctance to play in OKC (middle America and lack of diversity) Hopefully it comes down to L.A. and us like you said.

[exstatic]

Chicago would have to renounce Booz, and likely pay a huge chunk of his salary, if not all of it to chase a 34 YO PF/C. Not thinking they want to do that. They were willing to chase Melo in his prime, but that's different.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Chicago would have to renounce Booz, and likely pay a huge chunk of his salary, if not all of it to chase a 34 YO PF/C. Not thinking they want to do that. They were willing to chase Melo in his prime, but that's different.

Technically it wouldn't be renouncing Boozer (it would require them to amnesty him), but I said the same thing earlier in this thread and I 100% agree with you.

[cd021]

Yeah, that is a good question - I would imagine that they take significant pay cuts. I also agree with you, Manu def has less tread on his tires than Timmy, and TD takes better care of his body.

Parker is the interesting one, he'd be 33 next off season and a 14 year veteran. He has played 940 regular season games and 196 post season games.

Barring something catastrophic ,Parker (based on the past 3 seasons) would project out to play about 70 games in the 14-15 season plus 15 postseason games (average postseason games played per season over his career) that's 1010 games + 211 postseason games =1221 games. Thats the equivalent to 15 ,82 game, seasons.

Wonder if he'd do something like a 3 year, $30 million deal.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I read where one OKC "insider" stated that the Thunder have (or at the very least, should have) moved on to courting Morrow, and have basically given up on Gasol.

[FireMicoHalili]

who's skipping the offseason. we've resigned 2 rotation players and extended our coach. our roster is basically already set, unless somebody takes an undervalued MLE like gasol, which is unlikely anyway
Exactly. But we've been bitching instead of celebrating the chip...

[Uriel]

According to the Rational Choice paradigm in Economics and Political Science, an individual is a utility maximizer that will make decisions that furthers his own personal goals. Chicago gives Gasol the most money, most playing time, and biggest role out of all his choices. He also gets to play for a championship contender on a big market--something that no other team offers.

If Gasol were truly a rational actor, the decision is an easy one to make. No other team even comes close to offering him as much utility as the Chicago Bulls.

[Mark in Austin]

If Gasol were truly a rational actor, the decision is an easy one to make. No other team even comes close to offering him as much utility as the Chicago Bulls.

Also with Pringles out of the league, no other team offers Pau a coach that will absolutely run him into the ground in the regular season because Thibs is so competitive he can't see the forest for the trees. I doubt Pau signs in Chicago. He's either going to stay in LA, or go to PHX (for the money), or go to SA or OKC for winning.

[Cloud786]

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[Dingle Barry]

According to the Rational Choice paradigm in Economics and Political Science, an individual is a utility maximizer that will make decisions that furthers his own personal goals. Chicago gives Gasol the most money, most playing time, and biggest role out of all his choices. He also gets to play for a championship contender on a big market--something that no other team offers.

If Gasol were truly a rational actor, the decision is an easy one to make. No other team even comes close to offering him as much utility as the Chicago Bulls.

Except you can't be sure what his personal goals or their priority are.

[Malik Hairston]

Also with Pringles out of the league, no other team offers Pau a coach that will absolutely run him into the ground in the regular season because Thibs is so competitive he can't see the forest for the trees. I doubt Pau signs in Chicago. He's either going to stay in LA, or go to PHX (for the money), or go to SA or OKC for winning.

2011 was the only season in which Thibodeau had a decent bench, and he didn't run his players into the ground at all during that season, tbh..

That would be the case if the Bulls acquire Gasol, they would have Noah/Gibson/Mirotic in the front court with him..he probably wouldn't play more than 32 MPG, max..

[ceperez]

According to the Rational Choice paradigm in Economics and Political Science, an individual is a utility maximizer that will make decisions that furthers his own personal goals. Chicago gives Gasol the most money, most playing time, and biggest role out of all his choices. He also gets to play for a championship contender on a big market--something that no other team offers.

If Gasol were truly a rational actor, the decision is an easy one to make. No other team even comes close to offering him as much utility as the Chicago Bulls.

Pau signing with Bulls is contingent on what they do with Boozer.

At his age of 34, he likely needs to get into a program similar to Duncan. Only one team provides that kind of time-management.

The Bulls aren't even close to contending for the championship. Remember, the Wizards knocked them off in the first round of the players. Yes, the lowly Wizards. Switching Boozer with Pau is a minor upgrade.

[Malik Hairston]

Pau signing with Bulls is contingent on what they do with Boozer.

At his age of 34, he likely needs to get into a program similar to Duncan. Only one team provides that kind of time-management.

The Bulls aren't even close to contending for the championship. Remember, the Wizards knocked them off in the first round of the players. Yes, the lowly Wizards. Switching Boozer with Pau is a minor upgrade.

:lol the East is terrible right now..adding Gasol and Rose certainly puts them in contention..

I wouldn't pick them to beat Miami, but they would clearly be a contender to win the East, easily top 2..

[look_at_g_shred]

:lol the East is terrible right now..adding Gasol and Rose certainly puts them in contention..

I wouldn't pick them to beat Miami, but they would clearly be a contender to win the East, easily top 2..
Id still pick the wiz over them tbh

[exstatic]

According to the Rational Choice paradigm in Economics and Political Science, an individual is a utility maximizer that will make decisions that furthers his own personal goals. Chicago gives Gasol the most money, most playing time, and biggest role out of all his choices. He also gets to play for a championship contender on a big market--something that no other team offers.

If Gasol were truly a rational actor, the decision is an easy one to make. No other team even comes close to offering him as much utility as the Chicago Bulls.

Again, Chicago ONLY has money for him if they amnesty Booz, pay him NOT to play for them, and then pay Gasol.

[Spur|n|Austin]

:lol the East is terrible right now..adding Gasol and Rose certainly puts them in contention..

I wouldn't pick them to beat Miami, but they would clearly be a contender to win the East, easily top 2..

Do people still think Rose can make it a full season + playoffs to compete for a chip?

Sadly, and I know it sounds crazy but I think more or less, Rose's career is over..

[letmk]

Do people still think Rose can make it a full season + playoffs to compete for a chip?

Sadly, and I know it sounds crazy but I think more or less, Rose's career is over..

After not playing for essentially 2 years, if he can play like a post-Orlando Grant Hill, that would be a success in my book.

[Uriel]

Again, Chicago ONLY has money for him if they amnesty Booz, pay him NOT to play for them, and then pay Gasol.
Something which Chicago has given no inclination they are unwilling to do.

[BatManu20]

Starting to think he stays in LA. He's 34, he wants his money. Probably his last significant contract.

[Twisted_Dawg]

According to the Rational Choice paradigm in Economics and Political Science, an individual is a utility maximizer that will make decisions that furthers his own personal goals. Chicago gives Gasol the most money, most playing time, and biggest role out of all his choices. He also gets to play for a championship contender on a big market--something that no other team offers.

Blow it out your ass, Howard.

[exstatic]

Something which Chicago has given no inclination they are unwilling to do.

What? Reinsdorf is one of the cheapest owners in sports!!! There have been rumors for the last 2-3 summers that Booz would be amnestied and he never was.

They were willing to do it for Melo, who is 30 and pretty much in his prime. Not at all sure they want to do it for Gasol.

[ceperez]

What? Reinsdorf is one of the cheapest owners in sports!!! There have been rumors for the last 2-3 summers that Booz would be amnestied and he never was.

They were willing to do it for Melo, who is 30 and pretty much in his prime. Not at all sure they want to do it for Gasol.

I agree with you here.

Miami could be a potential destination for Gasol if Lebron opts out.

[Uriel]

What? Reinsdorf is one of the cheapest owners in sports!!! There have been rumors for the last 2-3 summers that Booz would be amnestied and he never was.

They were willing to do it for Melo, who is 30 and pretty much in his prime. Not at all sure they want to do it for Gasol.
If they weren't willing to do it, there'd be no reason why Chicago would be widely considered the frontrunner in the national media to sign Gasol.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

If they weren't willing to do it, there'd be no reason why Chicago would be widely considered the frontrunner in the national media to sign Gasol.

They aren't willing. They have been saying this for 3 years now. They said this over a week ago and still haven't done it.

My guess is the Bulls are 2nd guessing it right now b/c is Gasol really an upgrade over Boozer. Offensively, he is, but not by a huge margin by any means. But defensively, its the same deal but reverse. So do you want to trade defense for offense. Thibs values defense over offense.

That is why I think they are looking elsewhere, trying to get a slashing wing player like Stephenson who happens to be an excellent defender.

[exstatic]

If they weren't willing to do it, there'd be no reason why Chicago would be widely considered the frontrunner in the national media to sign Gasol.
Do you understand how stupid the NBA media is? They don't see that there is no equivalence between Melo and Gasol. That cap room does not exist. It has to be created by amnestying Booz. Likely, they would do it for Melo. Doing it for Gasol, who isn't that much of an upgrade over Booz is UNLIKELY. A lot of this crap is also floated/leaked by agents to drive the bargaining with other teams, and the press eats it up like candy.

[ceperez]

They aren't willing. They have been saying this for 3 years now. They said this over a week ago and still have done it.

My guess is the Bulls are 2nd guessing it right now b/c is Gasol really an upgrade over Boozer. Offensively, he is, but not by a huge margin by any means. But defensively, it the same deal but reverse. So do you want to trade defense for offense. Thibs values defense over offense.

That is why I think they are looking elsewhere, trying to get a slashing wing player like Stephenson who happens to be an excellent defender.

This is why I find is strange that the media is saying the Bulls is the front runner. I don't buy it at all. I think it is Pau's agent that is saying that the Bulls are the front runner to basically up the ante.

I mean, isn't this the same Bulls that would not match the offer for Omer Asik? They aren't going to pay premium for an aging Gasol. The last time he was in the all-star team was 2011, that was when he was 31.

The only place where Gasol makes sense is a championship bound roster that just needs an extra edge to put them over the top.

He's either going to stay with the Lakers or take a pay-cut and play for the Spurs.

Why would he trade a spot with an oft-injured Kobe for a spot in a team with an oft-injured Rose?

[xmas1997]

I don't think the Spurs are in any hurry about Gasol, they can take him or leave him, because they do not need him.

[ceperez]

Do you understand how stupid the NBA media is? They don't see that there is no equivalence between Melo and Gasol. That cap room does not exist. It has to be created by amnestying Booz. Likely, they would do it for Melo. Doing it for Gasol, who isn't that much of an upgrade over Booz is UNLIKELY. A lot of this crap is also floated/leaked by agents to drive the bargaining with other teams, and the press eats it up like candy.

+1

The interested teams are likely to be accurate, otherwise the team could call out the agent for fabricating demand.

The order however in the case of Gasol is likely to be incorrectly reported. The Bulls angle is clearly ridiculous.

I think the Spurs were smart to quickly sign up Boris Diaw. The Spurs are saying to Gasol, take the MLE or leave it. If you want to join a team just for the money then he should look elsewhere.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

This is why I find is strange that the media is saying the Bulls is the front runner. I don't buy it at all. I think it is Pau's agent that is saying that the Bulls are the front runner to basically up the ante.

I mean, isn't this the same Bulls that would not match the offer for Omer Asik? They aren't going to pay premium for an aging Gasol. The last time he was in the all-star team was 2011, that was when he was 31.

The only place where Gasol makes sense is a championship bound roster that just needs an extra edge to put them over the top.

He's either going to stay with the Lakers or take a pay-cut and play for the Spurs.

Why would he trade a spot with an oft-injured Kobe for a spot in a team with an oft-injured Rose?

That's what I have been saying the past two days. It's b/n the Spurs and Lakers at this point IMO. Unless he wants to go to some deadbeat team for a higher salary. But based on his choices that HE himself has mentioned, the Spurs and Lakers are the frontrunners at this point.

I can see a S&T b/n the Knicks and Lakers for Gasol, but the only player that the Lakers would want is Shumpert and Nolan already said he wasn't trading him this past season. Bargnani and Shumpert for Gasol would work but its a trade the Knicks won't make b/c of Shumpert.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Pop's previous two extensions were signed in May. I believe he signed that extension early as a good faith gesture to Gasol, showing that he will be around for the long haul. Otherwise, he would have waited until next May to sign it.

It is no coincidence that the Spurs jumped back in front immediately following the news of Pop's ext.

[ceperez]

Pop's previous two extensions were signed in May. I believe he signed that extension early as a good faith gesture to Gasol, showing that he will be around for the long haul. Otherwise, he would have waited until next May to sign it.

It is no coincidence that the Spurs jumped back in front immediately following the news of Pop's ext.

Well that's a very good observation. If Pop wasn't due for an extension but instead signed an early one, then clearly that's a signal to somebody.

That signal of course involves only the MLE or BAE, since they already signed Diaw and Mills. Is it not strange how quickly the Spurs signed their free-agents. Also note that they are leaving a spot open by not doing anything with Bonner.

Meanwhile over in the Lakers camp... they haven't even signed up a head coach!!

Current roster:

Parker, Joseph, Mills, (Cotton - unguaranteed)
Green, Manu, Belinelli
Leonard, Anderson, Daye
Duncan, Diaw, Ayres
Splitter, (Baynes - qualifying offer)

If Gasol signs, the Spurs will need to dump a contract.

I'm hoping it is Ayres since he's behind Baynes in the rotation.

Bonner appears to be gone.

[Uriel]

The Chicago Tribune is reporting that the Bulls are hoping to acquire Gasol by means of a sign-and-trade with the Lakers using Boozer's contract. In that situation, the Bulls would be able to offer him more money than the Spurs without having to simultaneously pay for Boozer's contract as well.

Compared with the Spurs and OKC, the Bulls can offer Gasol the most money and the biggest role in the biggest market. And that team would likely be in championship contention too in the dreadful Leastern Conference, assuming Rose comes back healthy.

As much as I want to believe Gasol will come to the Spurs, the evidence just tells me otherwise.

[FvckMavs]

Compared with the Spurs and OKC, the Bulls can offer Gasol the most money and the biggest role in the biggest market. And that team would likely be in championship contention to in the dreadful Leastern Conference, assuming Rose comes back healthy.

[DesignatedT]

I think Cotton, Daye, Ayres, Baynes & Bonner are all pretty much equal at this point to make the roster. If they don't like what they see in Daye in SL they could easily still waive him. Cotton is unguaranteed so he's practically like every other unknown on the SL roster who has a pretty slim chance. Ayres is a little less likely to be waived since his contract is almost worth 2M. If Baynes gets an offer elsewhere he could be gone. Bonner could be in the teams plans still.

Up in the air regarding these five guys IMO.

[Jimcs50]

I think Cotton, Daye, Ayres, Baynes & Bonner are all pretty much equal at this point to make the roster. If they don't like what they see in Daye in SL they could easily still waive him. Cotton is unguaranteed so he's practically like every other unknown on the SL roster who has a pretty slim chance. Ayres is a little less likely to be waived since his contract is almost worth 2M. If Baynes gets an offer elsewhere he could be gone. Bonner could be in the teams plans still.

Up in the air regarding these five guys IMO.


Tonight at 9pm on NBATtv, we get to see these guys in action. Really excited to see Anderson and Cotton

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

The Chicago Tribune is reporting that the Bulls are hoping to acquire Gasol by means of a sign-and-trade with the Lakers using Boozer's contract. In that situation, the Bulls would be able to offer him more money than the Spurs without having to simultaneously pay for Boozer's contract as well.

Compared with the Spurs and OKC, the Bulls can offer Gasol the most money and the biggest role in the biggest market. And that team would likely be in championship contention too in the dreadful Leastern Conference, assuming Rose comes back healthy.

As much as I want to believe Gasol will come to the Spurs, the evidence just tells me otherwise.

There is no way in hell the Lakers want that contract from the Bulls. The Lakers would rather see Gasol walk for nothing than take on that Salary this year. Lakers would just resign Gasol if it came to that before taking on that Salary from the Bulls. That's why there hasn't been any progress.

There was an article yesterday about Boozer and how the Bulls have been trying to trade him for over a week and nobody wants to take on his contract. A team like Utah and Philly just to make the league minimum salary requirement, but that still wouldn't net them Gasol as the they would have to take back at least 12mil in salaries, which would just net them 3mil in cap space and would eliminate them from obtaining the MLE and BAE.

The Bulls are stuck bn a rock and a hard place and they know it.

[Uriel]

There is no way in hell the Lakers want that contract from the Bulls. The Lakers would rather see Gasol walk for nothing than take on that Salary this year. Lakers would just resign Gasol if it came to that before taking on that Salary from the Bulls. That's why there hasn't been any progress.

There was an article yesterday about Boozer and how the Bulls have been trying to trade him for over a week and nobody wants to take on his contract. A team like Utah and Philly just to make the league minimum salary requirement, but that still wouldn't net them Gasol as the they would have to take back at least 12mil in salaries, which would just net them 3mil in cap space and would eliminate them from obtaining the MLE and BAE.

The Bulls are stuck bn a rock and a hard place and they know it.
So you think the Spurs are the front runners to sign Gasol? Because if the man verbally commits to Chicago, the Bulls would have no choice but to amnesty Boozer to keep their word.

[tmtcsc]

Every time I read the title of this thread, I see"Spurs contact Pau Gasol repeatedly. :lol

[mudyez]

Every time I read the title of this thread, I see"Spurs contact Pau Gasol repeatedly. :lol

and I always read "contract".

[CGD]

It's down to:

-Lakers big money if no Melo (likely)

-Bulls in a sign and trade (MLE used on Mitoric)

- Spurs for MLE to win ring

[Gervin44Silas13]

Hmmm

If im Pau.....do I

1. Stay with a selfish Laker rapist fuck who was my teammate and helcked my ass all year
2. Go to a team in the Windy city play with a guy who hasnt even played two season worth of basketball, and in a possible process of getting anothe ball hogger ME ME ME person
3. Play with the GOAT PF The defending World Champions ....play for a Bad ass Coach...and a team stacked of international players...and help them win another one

hmmmmm...........

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

So you think the Spurs are the front runners to sign Gasol? Because if the man verbally commits to Chicago, the Bulls would have no choice but to amnesty Boozer to keep their word.

Yes. If the Bulls amnesty Boozer, it would be best for the Bulls to move Gibson to the SL and sign someone like Stephenson to take the load off of Rose in creating offense.

Look at their roster right now, they have no one who can slash to the basket and create on their roster. This will fall soley on Rose and your risking him to get injured again. Having Stephenson would allow Rose to acclimate himself once again to the rigors of NBA w/o having to be the main guy on offense.

Gasol won't do that for the Bulls. This article expresses exactly what the I feel the Bulls should do.

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-bulls-confidential/2014/07/gordon-haywards-max-is-why-the-bulls-should-jump-on-lance-stephenson/

[DocDoc]

Hmmm

If im Pau.....do I

1. Stay with a selfish Laker rapist fuck who was my teammate and helcked my ass all year
2. Go to a team in the Windy city play with a guy who hasnt even played two season worth of basketball, and in a possible process of getting another ball hogger ME ME ME person
3. Play with the GOAT PF The defending World Champions ....play for a Bad ass Coach...and a team stacked of international players...and help them win another one

hmmmmm...........

And play a more international style of motion basketball versus ball hogs or defense only squads.

[Drom John]

Marc Berman writes: "The Post reported one reason Anthony is close to re-signing is having a shot at the 34-year-old Gasol, who then could recruit his brother, Marc Gasol. The Memphis center is a free agent in 2015 when the Knicks should have plenty of cap space."

Marc Gasol has spent a lot of years in Memphis, but he might be willing to leave in 2015 with a chance to play with his brother whether it's in New York with the Knicks, or in LA with the Lakers. Of course the Gasol brothers won't have a chance to play together next year if Pau signs with Oklahoma City or Chicago. Pau could always sign with the Memphis Grizzlies, but that is an unlikely scenario.

[Seventyniner]

There is no way in hell the Lakers want that contract from the Bulls. The Lakers would rather see Gasol walk for nothing than take on that Salary this year. Lakers would just resign Gasol if it came to that before taking on that Salary from the Bulls. That's why there hasn't been any progress.

There was an article yesterday about Boozer and how the Bulls have been trying to trade him for over a week and nobody wants to take on his contract. A team like Utah and Philly just to make the league minimum salary requirement, but that still wouldn't net them Gasol as the they would have to take back at least 12mil in salaries, which would just net them 3mil in cap space and would eliminate them from obtaining the MLE and BAE.

The Bulls are stuck bn a rock and a hard place and they know it.

I'm pretty sure that bolded part is incorrect. You can always take back less salary than you send out, you just can't take back more than 150% + 100k for non-taxpaying teams and 125% + 100k for taxpayers. If the Bulls could trade Boozer into Utah or Philly's cap space, they would get a trade exception of the size of Boozer's contract. The Lakers could then sign-and-trade Gasol into that trade exception for any salary up to that amount.

Of course, the Jazz or Sixers (or whoever) would want some assets for renting out their cap space like that. The Lakers would also need an incentive to do the Gasol sign-and-trade (not sure if the trade exception the Lakers would get would be enough).

The best part for the Bulls about trying this route is that they stay over the cap and can use the MLE for Mirotic.

[look_at_g_shred]

I don't see a reason why the lakers would trade gasol for carlos fucking boozer.

[Dverde]

Athletes have egos and don't always see the big picture. I would be shocked if Pau picks the Spurs. Pau doesn't want to come off the bench. Pau wants to be a top 3 player on a team. Pau has rings already. Pau will go back to his abusive boyfriend Kobe.

[playbonner15]

Fuk you clowns Gasol aint coming here to San Antonio :bang

[Oh, Gee!!]

We cant pay him what he thinks he is worth.

[tlongIII]

I don't see a reason why the lakers would trade gasol for carlos fucking boozer.

That is because you are dumb :)

[SupremeGuy]

We cant pay him what he thinks he is worth.Read through the thread. As it stands right now, only the Lakers can pay him what he wants.

[cd021]

I agree with you here.

Miami could be a potential destination for Gasol if Lebron opts out.

If Lebron goes back to Cleveland then Bosh is likely to bounce to Houston. I don't see the draw of playing with Wade in Miami. Houston and Cleveland would be, completely or nearly capped out so none of those 3 teams would have a shot.

[nyspurguy]

What is the worst that would happen if we gave Gasol 10mil a year for 3 seasons? I know we would go over the sal. cap, but how much and what would it cost us in total dollars? Is it just too much to do? Just kinda wondering. If we dont get him i think we may be able to 2peat, although Gasol sweetins everything.

[jhfenton]

What is the worst that would happen if we gave Gasol 10mil a year for 3 seasons? I know we would go over the sal. cap, but how much and what would it cost us in total dollars? Is it just too much to do? Just kinda wondering. If we dont get him i think we may be able to 2peat, although Gasol sweetins everything.

We can't. Period. It's not allowed under the CBA. All we can offer is the MLE.

[lmbebo]

What is the worst that would happen if we gave Gasol 10mil a year for 3 seasons? I know we would go over the sal. cap, but how much and what would it cost us in total dollars? Is it just too much to do? Just kinda wondering. If we dont get him i think we may be able to 2peat, although Gasol sweetins everything.

No way to give him that without doing a sign and trade. Not sure who we dump to make $10 million come off of the books.

1. Ayers, Bellini, CoJo? Can't see that adding up to $10 million. Would Lakers take on those players anyways?

[Twisted_Dawg]

What is the worst that would happen if we gave Gasol 10mil a year for 3 seasons? I know we would go over the sal. cap, but how much and what would it cost us in total dollars? Is it just too much to do? Just kinda wondering. If we dont get him i think we may be able to 2peat, although Gasol sweetins everything.

There is a reason you got only 6 posts.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

What is the worst that would happen if we gave Gasol 10mil a year for 3 seasons? I know we would go over the sal. cap, but how much and what would it cost us in total dollars? Is it just too much to do? Just kinda wondering. If we dont get him i think we may be able to 2peat, although Gasol sweetins everything.

1. The Spurs are over the Cap right now.
2. They can't sign him to a 10mil w/o a S&T w the Lakers, which the Spurs would have just enough to stay under the Tax Level if they did do this. (Most likely not to happen.)
3. Spurs have already offered their MLE to Gasol. Its his for the taking.

Spurs don't need Gasol, but having him would make them #1 favorites to win it all next year, despite what team Lebron was on.

[nyspurguy]

There is a reason you got only 6 posts.

Long time SpursTalk reader, never really wanted to sign up or post. (Untill recently i guess) thought it would be cool to holla at some real Spurs fans. Hey I'm in NY the only teams we talk about are the Knicks, Nets, Giants, Jets, Bills, Yankees, Mets, Islanders, Rangers. Dont get many Spurs fans up here. Oh yeah i been a spurs fan before i even knew who a Tim Duncan was. Since 1990.

[Solid D]

The Heat have some $$$ to spend, now.

[slick'81]

Heat suck no way gasol goes to that sinking ship

[spurraider21]

The Heat have some $$$ to spend, now.
i dont think a rebuilding, dead roster is going to throw big money at Gasol...

[heyheymymy]

pau is gonna be a baller like diaw and not a lil bitch ass like granger.

[ceperez]

Pau still in play after LeBron's decision.

Bulls still not a option, too expensive to give away Boozer, plus if Carmelo joins them then Pau isn't an option.

Lakers and Spurs the only option. But considering the stacked Western conference, Pau likely not going to stay with an undermanned Lakers.

[ceperez]

Spurs 2014-2015 Championship Team

Parker, Mills, Joseph
Green, Manu, Belinelli
Leonard, Daye
Duncan, Diaw
Splitter, Gasol, Baynes

Inactive: Cotton, Anderson

Ayres -Expiring contract to be traded.

[Dex]

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[tmtcsc]

The Heat have some $$$ to spend, now.

Yeah but they have competition and little to offer except $. It will be like walking in to a Dollar Store with tons of money pretty darn soon. My how things change.

[timtonymanu]

We probably still have to wait for Fatmelo (another attention whore) to pick a place to sign.

[xmas1997]

487145857180250112

I will be very surprised if Gasol chooses the Spurs rather than money.
If Melo chooses the Bulls, then does that take them out of contention for Gasol?

[SpursFan86]

Lin to the Lakers...does this take away from the money they can offer Pau? Do y'all think Pau will see this as a legitimate improvement for the team that helps them contend?

[TheGoldStandard]

I will be very surprised if Gasol chooses the Spurs rather than money.
If Melo chooses the Bulls, then does that take them out of contention for Gasol?

Yup, not enough cash to offer him.

[TheGoldStandard]

Lin to the Lakers...does this take away from the money they can offer Pau?

yes, its 8.5 or so against there free space.. they're taking on salary not giving anything back.

[look_at_g_shred]

It's written on the wall tbh... Melo to NYK and Gasol to Chi town

[TheGoldStandard]

It's written on the wall tbh... Melo to NYK and Gasol to Chi town

More like Melo to Chicago and Gasol to San Antonio. Chicago is more finals ready than NY and Cavs are 2 years away.

[NASpurs]

Spurs would have a fucking ridiculous team on the 2nd game of B2B. :lol Rest Gasol on the first game, rest Tim on the second game. The team wouldn't skip a beat and probably come close to winning 70 games. :lol

[Mel_13]

I will be very surprised if Gasol chooses the Spurs rather than money.

It's never, ever surprising when a professional athlete chooses to follow the money. It's surprising when one doesn't.

[look_at_g_shred]

More like Melo to Chicago and Gasol to San Antonio. Chicago is more finals ready than NY and Cavs are 2 years away.
I hope i'm wrong bruh... Chicago doesn't make sense for Gasol basketball wise just money. Chicago already have Gibosn/Noah/Boozer, and I think they already guaranteed Gibson a starting job. So that would mean Gasol/Boozer coming off the bench....

[mudyez]

I hope i'm wrong bruh... Chicago doesn't make sense for Gasol basketball wise just money. Chicago already have Gibosn/Noah/Boozer, and I think they already guaranteed Gibson a starting job. So that would mean Gasol/Boozer coming off the bench....

They probably would try to get rid of Booz anyway (if possible) but honestly, I'm not sure if playing alongside Splitter (great defensively vs. any team but OKC and R.I.P.), Diaw (vital to our team game) and Timmy is any different.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Spurs can give Gasol a two year deal with an opt out clause the next. If Manu and Tim retire, the Spurs can resign Gasol and then make a play for his little Brother.

Chicago won't have that option next year. Spurs are in the driver seat right now imo and I wouldn't be surprise if he got the same deal Diaw got (full MLE, 2yr, 2nd year player option).

[look_at_g_shred]

In recent memory, I don't remember Spurs ever being mentioned as being interested so much in one player :lol

[ceperez]

Spurs would have a fucking ridiculous team on the 2nd game of B2B. :lol Rest Gasol on the first game, rest Tim on the second game. The team wouldn't skip a beat and probably come close to winning 70 games. :lol

I agree... very difficult for Spurs to lose a game. The Spus will have two starting fives that can win the championship. Nobody is going to be able to keep up with the scoring pace.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

In recent memory, I don't remember Spurs ever being mentioned as being interested so much in one player :lol

Last one was Finley and basically the same situation. The Kawhi and RJ trades were just sprung on us.

[xmas1997]

If Melo chooses the Bulls rather than the money in N.Y., it means that not only Miami but also N.Y., and L.A. are not title contenders, so Gasol isn't likely to go any of those teams.
That would leave OKC and the Spurs.
I think he would choose the Spurs over OKC.

[ceperez]

In recent memory, I don't remember Spurs ever being mentioned as being interested so much in one player :lol

There was a lot of interesting in Diaw when he got amnestied.

[ceperez]

If Melo chooses the Bulls rather than the money in N.Y., it means that not only Miami but also N.Y., and L.A. are not title contenders, so Gasol isn't likely to go any of those teams.
That would leave OKC and the Spurs.
I think he would choose the Spurs over OKC.

Pau has two priorities... to contend for the championship and to play with his brother.

The first is not going to happen with LA or NYC.
The second is not going to happen next season.

He might as well sign with the Spurs for a one year deal with player option on the 2nd year. He knows that he'll learn something playing for the Spurs for a year. What he wants to do in his 2nd year is up to him.

[jmard5]

Lakers just acquired Lin and future first round pick.

[ceperez]

Lakers just acquired Lin and future first round pick.

Well the Lakers need to have a team that will attract people to the stadium. They certainly have money to spend.

Good signing. No real material effect.

[Mel_13]

Well the Lakers need to have a team that will attract people to the stadium. They certainly have money to spend.

Good signing. No real material effect.

It means they've given up on getting Melo. Therefore, no significant improvement this season. More likely to offer Gasol a rich 2-year deal to align with Kobe's deal.

[look_at_g_shred]

It means they've given up on getting Melo. Therefore, no significant improvement this season. More likely to offer Gasol a rich 2-year deal to align with Kobe's deal.
Don't the Lakers lose out on money to offer Gasol acquiring Lin?

[Mel_13]

Don't the Lakers lose out on money to offer Gasol acquiring Lin?

They still have plenty of space even after acquiring Lin.

[BatManu20]

33 pages and counting. Solid.

[look_at_g_shred]

Anyone have an idea as to when he might make a choice?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

It means they've given up on getting Melo. Therefore, no significant improvement this season. More likely to offer Gasol a rich 2-year deal to align with Kobe's deal.

I don't see the Laker doing this though. Their pick is going to the Suns next year if its not a top 5. I could see the Lakers doing a S&T with the Spurs sending them Gasol for picks (which they only have two in the next 5 years I believe) and a few scraps like Aryes.

They still need to resign Hill, Young, and probably Bazemore on two year deals. I see them just getting to the league min salary to save space for next year FA and add a quality piece like Rondo then make a play in 2016 for Durant.

They will basically have nothing to offer Durant when he become a FA in 2016. Picking up someone like Rondo next year would give them some leverage.

[xmas1997]

It means they've given up on getting Melo. Therefore, no significant improvement this season. More likely to offer Gasol a rich 2-year deal to align with Kobe's deal.

They have more money to offer Gasol, yes, but title contention, no.
Now we will see if what Gasol said was true, that he would take less money to be with a title contender.

[Mel_13]

I don't see the Laker doing this though. Their pick is going to the Suns next year if its not a top 5. I could see the Lakers doing a S&T with the Spurs sending them Gasol for picks (which they only have two in the next 5 years I believe) and a few scraps like Aryes.

They still need to resign Hill, Young, and probably Bazemore on two year deals. I see them just getting to the league min salary to save space for next year FA and add a quality piece like Rondo then make a play in 2016 for Durant.

They will basically have nothing to offer Durant when he become a FA in 2016. Picking up someone like Rondo next year would give them some leverage.

We'll see. Of all the possible Gasol moves, an S&T to the Spurs is among the very least likely, IMO.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

We'll see. Of all the possible Gasol moves, an S&T to the Spurs is among the very least likely, IMO.

True, but it looks like the Lakers have given up this FA and are out to make up those picks at this point.

[Mel_13]

They have more money to offer Gasol, yes, but title contention, no.
Now we will see if what Gasol said was true, that he would take less money to be with a title contender.

And good for Pau if he does (and good for the Spurs), but I'll believe it when he signs on the dotted line.

[DPG21920]

No Melo to LA (which is not guaranteed yet, but it seems less likely) means one of the top 2-3 options for Pau is very much in play unfortunately. LA still has about 16M cap space after taking on Lin to offer FA's (including Pau). If they stretch Nash that number moves up to about 20M.

With Lin helping them on the court compared to what they have, it may be enough incentive to try and sign Pau like Mel said (maybe 12-13M per year for two years - 2/24M) and then get an Ariza for 9M a year (by stretching Nash). Or they may elect to just sign Pau and do one year deals to keep cap space again for next year when Nash and Lin are off the books and they have Kobe/Pau + pick essentially.

Not good news for SA, but we will see.

[Mel_13]

True, but it looks like the Lakers have given up this FA and are out to make up those picks at this point.

I agree about them giving up on FA. I just don't see much chance of an S&T to the Spurs.

[Mel_13]

No Melo to LA (which is not guaranteed yet, but it seems less likely) means one of the top 2-3 options for Pau is very much in play unfortunately. LA still has about 16M cap space after taking on Lin to offer FA's (including Pau). If they stretch Nash that number moves up to about 20M.

With Lin helping them on the court compared to what they have, it may be enough incentive to try and sign Pau like Mel said (maybe 12-13M per year for two years - 2/24M) and then get an Ariza for 9M a year (by stretching Nash). Or they may elect to just sign Pau and do one year deals to keep cap space again for next year when Nash and Lin are off the books and they have Kobe/Pau + pick essentially.

Not good news for SA, but we will see.

The Lin trade makes stretching Nash extremely unlikely. It appears that they're ready to take their medicine this season and they won't move part of the Nash cap hit to 2015 and 2016.

[DPG21920]

The Lin trade makes stretching Nash extremely unlikely. It appears that they're ready to take their medicine this season and they won't move part of the Nash cap hit to 2015 and 2016.

Why is that IYO? Besides that, even with Lin, LA still has cap space (16M approximately) and that was the point. That is still a ton of money to re-sign Pau or do other moves. Point was, Lin being with LA in no way means it's a good thing for SA's pursuit of Pau regarding the Lakers.

[Seventyniner]

They still have plenty of space even after acquiring Lin.

Counting Pau's cap hold, I think the Lakers are right around the cap.

Bryant: 23.5
Gasol (cap hold): 20.6
Nash: 9.7
Kelly: 1.0
Marshall: 0.9
Sacre: 0.9
6 roster spots: ~2.0 combined

That's 58.6M right there, which actually isn't enough space under the 63.0 cap to accomodate Lin (8.4). If my math is right, the Lakers will have to renounce Gasol or stretch Nash.

Amusingly, the Lakers (like the Spurs) have operated over the cap for so long that Shamsports shows a long list of cap holds, including Karl Malone.

Edit: the Lakers can re-sign Gasol to a deal in the 10-12M range and open up enough space for Lin that way. But that requires Gasol to agree quickly, as the Rockets must move fast to clear space and get Bosh's name on the line before Miami potentially gives Bosh an even bigger offer.

[Darius Bieber]

Another one of those threads where a pipe dream makes it to 50+ pages... He isn't coming..

[slick'81]

Lakers still very much in play for gasol

[crc21209]

Lakers arent winning shit anytime soon. I don't care if they get Lin and Ariza or anyone else on the market. If Pau wants to win now and still make some decent change, its either SA, OKC, or CHI.

[Poolboy5623]

Pau has shaken out to be this summer's ak47 lol.

[Mel_13]

Counting Pau's cap hold, I think the Lakers are right around the cap.

The point of my post is that the Lakers have room for Lin and a re-signed Gasol under their cap.

[Seventyniner]

The point of my post is that the Lakers have room for Lin and a re-signed Gasol under their cap.

Ok, I'm with you there. But the Lakers will still have to either re-sign or renounce Gasol first (and renounce all their other cap holds) in order to be able to absorb Lin's contract. We might see news on Pau sooner rather than later now, because the Rockets are in a hurry.

[Mel_13]

Why is that IYO? Besides that, even with Lin, LA still has cap space (16M approximately) and that was the point. That is still a ton of money to re-sign Pau or do other moves. Point was, Lin being with LA in no way means it's a good thing for SA's pursuit of Pau regarding the Lakers.

Stretching Nash moves part of his cap hit into 2015 and 2016. I don't believe that the Lakers will do that now that they have no chance of landing a major FA.

I agree with you about the impact on SA pursuit of Pau and had already said as much in this thread.

[vander]

Another one of those threads where a pipe dream makes it to 50+ pages... He isn't coming..
I recall people saying there was no way lebron would go back to Cleveland too...

[Mel_13]

Ok, I'm with you there. But the Lakers will still have to either re-sign or renounce Gasol first (and renounce all their other cap holds) in order to be able to absorb Lin's contract. We might see news on Pau sooner rather than later now, because the Rockets are in a hurry.

Right. They have to take one of those two actions with Pau in order to complete the Lin deal.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

They are talking about Pau to the Spurs right now on ESPNEWS :lol

[slick'81]

They are talking about Pau to the Spurs right now on ESPNEWS :lol


What are they saying

[Ron Swanson]

Do it, Pau! Do it! :lol

[AFBlue]

Right. They have to take one of those two actions with Pau in order to complete the Lin deal.

Mel, I just gotta say you are a badass, and I appreciate you. Seriously, being able to keep up with other teams' cap situations in and of itself is awesome. But the fact that you can lay out the scenarios on the fly with complexities like cap holds, sequencing of signings and all this crazy shit as it's changing is damn impressive. Just thought you deserved a shout out.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

What are they saying

They were talking about the "big 3" of Howard/Bosh/Harden and said it wouldn't matter and 'be illegal' if Pau joins San Antonio.

[tholdren]

will houston be able to sign Bosh and Parsons?

[Brazil]

They were talking about the "big 3" of Howard/Bosh/Harden and said it wouldn't matter and 'be illegal' if Pau joins San Antonio.

:lol

[slick'81]

They were talking about the "big 3" of Howard/Bosh/Harden and said it wouldn't matter and 'be illegal' if Pau joins San Antonio.


Yeah and now even with the Lebron stealing the spurs thunder if pau goes to sa....game over

[thispego]

Pay won't be allowed to sign with San Antonio for "basketball reasons".

[Mel_13]

Mel, I just gotta say you are a badass, and I appreciate you. Seriously, being able to keep up with other teams' cap situations in and of itself is awesome. But the fact that you can lay out the scenarios on the fly with complexities like cap holds, sequencing of signings and all this crazy shit as it's changing is damn impressive. Just thought you deserved a shout out.

Appreciate it.

No real secret, just Larry Coon's FAQ and dozens of questions to Bruno over the years.

[Drom John]

+1

[Kineto]

Spurs can still propose a sign and trade to LA too :
Joseph+Ayres+Belinelli * 150% + 100k -> 10,188,000$
This 3 player are off the book next year and can help the Lakers to fill their roster for this year.
It would be enough for the laker to clear cap space for Lin.

For the spurs, it's a dream scenario, they don't give any significant player (exept maybe belinelli), and they keep their MLE and BAE for signing player like Mc Calleb, Morrow, Bazemore, etc...

Probably wont happened anyway...

[Drom John]

+1 to Mel_13 being a badass.

[Spur-Addict]

They're talking about L.A having to renounce Gasol for the Lin deal to go through. Any truth to this?

[buttsR4rebounding]

No Melo to LA (which is not guaranteed yet, but it seems less likely) means one of the top 2-3 options for Pau is very much in play unfortunately. LA still has about 16M cap space after taking on Lin to offer FA's (including Pau). If they stretch Nash that number moves up to about 20M.

With Lin helping them on the court compared to what they have, it may be enough incentive to try and sign Pau like Mel said (maybe 12-13M per year for two years - 2/24M) and then get an Ariza for 9M a year (by stretching Nash). Or they may elect to just sign Pau and do one year deals to keep cap space again for next year when Nash and Lin are off the books and they have Kobe/Pau + pick essentially.

Not good news for SA, but we will see.

If Pau stays with the Lakers it is not so bad. The Spurs can focus on a back up 3. The Lakers won't be a contender anyway. Just don't want him going to OKC and to a lesser degree to Chicago.

[Seventyniner]

+1 to Mel_13 being a badass.

:toast

Chinook, too.

I tried to become a cap guru in 2001 and let's just say I never attained that status. I've read the CBA FAQ but I don't understand some parts of it and I definitely don't remember most of it.

[SpursFan86]

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Not sure who we could give up in a S&T...

[Spur|n|Austin]

We probably still have to wait for Fatmelo (another attention whore) to pick a place to sign.

[xmas1997]

I doubt the Spurs do a sign and trade for Gasol, I don't think they want him that badly, but I do see them waiting to see if they can steal him for the MLE.

[SpursFan86]

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Oh shit...

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

"Ya estoy muy cerca de tomar la decisión. Gracias a todos por vuestro interés y apoyo!"

It is time..

[lefty]

"Ya estoy muy cerca de tomar la decisión. Gracias a todos por vuestro interés y apoyo!"

It is time..
or after the world cup :lol

[spurraider21]

would be funny if he wrote a LeBron-esque letter and went back to the Grizzlies

[SpursFan86]

The great thing about this is that we already have had a really successful offseason. Duncan/Manu returning, Pop re-signing, drafting Anderson at 30, re-signing Mills/Diaw for reasonable deals. If Pau doesn't come, it's not a big deal. If he does come, this offseason just gets even better.

[Spursfanfromafar]

would be funny if he wrote a LeBron-esque letter and went back to the Grizzlies

Or to Barcelona :) to team up with Juan Carlos Navarro.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Parker is the interesting one, he'd be 33 next off season and a 14 year veteran. He has played 940 regular season games and 196 post season games.

Barring something catastrophic ,Parker (based on the past 3 seasons) would project out to play about 70 games in the 14-15 season plus 15 postseason games (average postseason games played per season over his career) that's 1010 games + 211 postseason games =1221 games. Thats the equivalent to 15 ,82 game, seasons.

Wonder if he'd do something like a 3 year, $30 million deal.


487692565450215424

Not sure who we could give up in a S&T...

Aryes, Daye, Cojo, S&T bonner, give the Lakers a 1st and 2nd pick. Gives them quality players to fill out their bench and the picks they traded away for Howard and Nash.

Spurs can bring over Bertans, they have Cotton as their 3rd string pg, and they they will have a roster spot open if there is a standout in summer league play or in FA market. You would have to think the Spurs are the front runners at this point.

[lefty]

:lol this thread if Pau doesn't join the Spurs

[RD2191]

:lol this thread if Pau doesn't join the Spurs

[SpursFan86]

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[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I doubt the Spurs do a sign and trade for Gasol, I don't think they want him that badly, but I do see them waiting to see if they can steal him for the MLE.

I see them doing this. Bonner will have to go along with Aryes. Spurs can replace Daye with Bertans and Cojo w Cotton or another pg w the vet min. Gasol will ensure Duncan can play even longer and the possibility of losing Duncan won't be as hard on the Spurs if that happens.

[DesignatedT]

Sounds like Gasol is close to signing somewhere making the S&T possibilities not as likely.

[Spursfanfromafar]

IF he is this close to a decision, why tweet about the "closeness" and not just make the decision. Weird.

[murpjf88]

Aryes, Daye, Cojo, S&T bonner, give the Lakers a 1st and 2nd pick. Gives them quality players to fill out their bench and the picks they traded away for Howard and Nash.

Spurs can bring over Bertans, they have Cotton as their 3rd string pg, and they they will have a roster spot open if there is a standout in summer league play or in FA market. You would have to think the Spurs are the front runners at this point.

or OKC trading away Perkins to get Gasol.

[slick'81]

Yeah if gasol was "sure" like Lebron why not just stay in la and say it?it seems he def is considering his options,quick pop fly down to la

[Ditty]

I have a strong feeling it's the Spurs...

[TheGoldStandard]

Waiting for LA to renounce him so he can make his decision.

[SupremeGuy]

Waiting for LA to renounce him so he can make his decision.This.