Report: Kyrie Irving Asked Cavs to Trade Him

[Proxy]

I guess this means Lebron is coming over next season :rollin

[Budkin]

Welp.

[Leetonidas]

LeBron to spurs confirmed

[TheGreatYacht]

Unless Lebron gets addicted to crack, there's no way he leaves a core of IT, Michael Porter Jr, Love, etc to come play with the Fathead bros and Patty Mills.

[Texas_Ranger]

almost got to 100

Irving's good but he's no Kirilenko.

[LakerHater]

Man, nobody goin to San Antonio!

[CGD]

Good trade for both sides. Zizic, Bkn Pick, and Crowder for future is a good haul for Irving, who in turn is a good peice for BOS. Jaylen Brown will replace Crowder, and they probably need to trade bradley for value since he'll probably walk next year.

CLE can either keep isiah or move on depending on LBJs choice.

[Emperor]

Good trade for both sides. Zizic, Bkn Pick, and Crowder for future is a good haul for Irving, who in turn is a good peice for BOS. Jaylen Brown will replace Crowder, and they probably need to trade bradley for value since he'll probably walk next year.

CLE can either keep isiah or move on depending on LBJs choice.

Huh? They traded Bradley to Detroit lol.

[SPURt]

Does Crowder make RJ expendable??? YES!!!! RJ, Diaw, and Splitter - do it RC.

[gospursgojas]

That's cool...anyway, Donald Trump has alienated his party and can't keep a staff...

[illusioNtEk]

We still looking good, Rudy Gay, and KL, and LMA going to make noise

[CGD]

Huh? They traded Bradley to Detroit lol.

Damn, I missed that!

[BatManu20]

I guess this means Lebron is coming over next season :rollin

To Houston*, tbh.

[tholdren]

Cavs actually made a good trade. It better than kyrie.

[cjw]

Smh Boston. Lost two starters and got back a player who some would argue isnt even as good currently as Thomas. I mean I get it. But sucks they had to dump crowder too. Cavs did good but their defense is still complete trash

They essentially swapped IT and Crowder for Kyrie and Hayward. You do that 1000x out of 100. Now they don't have to worry about resigning IT to a stupid deal.

on edit, forgot they lost Bradley too. But got a Morris out of it.

[Russ]

This has to be the dumbest trade in the history of American team sports.

[tholdren]

This has to be the dumbest trade in the history of American team sports.

For boston

[LakerHater]

This has to be the dumbest trade in the history of American team sports.Especially if Irving doesnt sign an extension & leaves!

Also, does Thomas havta take a physical for his hip?

[Slippy]

Dont see much benifit to celtics on this one. They gave up alot. Cavs scored big-time.

It was nice to dream however.

[tholdren]

Kyrie not to sa was as good as kl to sa

[Avitus1]

Anyways, what y'all have for dinner?

[cd98]

Dont see much benifit to celtics on this one. They gave up alot. Cavs scored big-time.

It was nice to dream however.

They had to "do something" with those assets and they avoided paying a big "loyalty" contract to Thomas. Now they have a young point, marketable point guard that is a better defender than Thomas (even though Irving isn't much better) and they gave up expiring contracts and a first round draft pick, which isn't guaranteed to be number one, and Kyrie is a guaranteed star while the draft pick is just the potential to find a star. Good moves for both teams, though the Celtics overplayed slightly given the market.

[Slippy]

Ya those are valid points that should pan out but couldnt the celts have waited it out, hoping the cavs are forced to make an inferior deal. At the same time weakning the celts main competition in the east.

[cd98]

Ya those are valid points that should pan out but couldnt the celts have waited it out, hoping the cavs are forced to make an inferior deal. At the same time weakning the celts main competition in the east.

Maybe. Or maybe Cavs used another deal as leverage. Ainge complained that every trade partner was asking for the moon because of all their assets. I guess he figured that he wasn't going to get this deal without the pick and a wing player. IT was unnecessary once they were getting Kyrie.

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[hooperflash]

Anyways, what y'all have for dinner?
Botana for two, mixed fajitas with flour tortillas

[024]

I don't think pop ever seriously considered adding a flat earther to the team.

[Mikeanaro]

It sucks because I dont want LMAO on the team, on the other hand Boston gave too much, KI is not a leader and will never be, little Thomas is a leader and a really nice addition to Lebron´s Cavs.

[313]

You guys are really overrating Kyrie if you think that's anywhere near an even trade. The Celtics got trade-raped.

[Slippy]

Maybe. Or maybe Cavs used another deal as leverage. Ainge complained that every trade partner was asking for the moon because of all their assets. I guess he figured that he wasn't going to get this deal without the pick and a wing player. IT was unnecessary once they were getting Kyrie.
Ya cavs having some sort of leverage does make the most sense. If they didnt, then the celts did the cavs a massive favour in ensuring their future. Plus doesnt this deal give lebron more incentive to stay.

If it was the spurs in the same situation , hard to see them helping out a rival like this.

[Mal]

:lmao Nobody wanted Murray

Seriously, that's good deal for Cavs. Saves shitload of money and sets them post-LBJ-era nicely.

[cutewizard]

Both teams are weaker than GS tbh

[vander]

Was Boston going to let Thomas walk? if so then this seems to be a pretty great trade for both teams.

[Killakobe81]

I think Boston won this trade. Irving is three years younger and they won't have to pay him $30 million a year like they would Thomas next summer. Thomas has bounced around the league a lot and just screams system player to me, like a lot of his success is due to playing for a top tier coach in Stevens. I see no way a lower tier coach like Lue is going to get anywhere near as much out of a limited player like Thomas. That's not the kind of player I want to be maxing out, especially at 5'9". Small point guards like Thomas age horribly too. Look as Isiah Thomas, Kevin Johnson, Allen Iverson. I would not want to pay that guy a five year max deal next summer, but that's what they'd have to do to keep him. Instead they got a better player who is younger and should age a lot better. I'd be much more comfortable maxing a three year younger Irving on a five year deal in summer after next when his game is dependent more on elite ballhandling rather than speed, and his size is much better.
agree 100%

[mudyez]

Was Boston going to let Thomas walk? if so then this seems to be a pretty great trade for both teams.

Problem was, that he is a fan favourit. Easier to trade for a better Player than to just not extent.

[Stabula]

NBA is rigged

[SASdynasty!]

TP9 4LIFE

[callo1]

So glad Kyrie is gone so we can put an end to this thread.

[BillMc]

So glad Kyrie is gone so we can put an end to this thread.

Jimmer getting cut didn't end his thread for months. :lol

[Dverde]

Kyrie, Haywood, and Horford with some young rookies is a really good squad. Plus they are good on salary for the next two - three years. I think they make a finals week in the East with that team.

[rjv]

well at least this thread went from a truther's political rant back to a spurs suck fest. ST is consistent if nothing else.

[Spurs9]

Dont see much benifit to celtics on this one. They gave up alot. Cavs scored big-time.

It was nice to dream however.

They didn't have to overpay for IT. Good deal for both sides tbh
Hayward, Kyrie, Brown, Tatum, Horford, Smart. Pretty solid team

[hater]

Thomas is too small

He would be the GOAT IN THE chinese league though

But his size shortcoming will be hiden by having Lebronze out there

He wont have to take all 5 opposing players like in the Celts

But no way Thomas is an upgrade over Irving. Its a downgrade but at least they got something back

More importantly Thomas is a spiritual leader and fan favorite. That will be even a bigger upgrade than what he can do on the court

Thomas/Lebron combo will be able to lead/will their team to the finals easily

But wont do a damn thing vs Golden Showers

On the other hand Boston will clearly be a better team with Irving. But will be missing their leader and identity and I dont think a disgruntled Irving will help

[hater]

So in conclusion nothing has changed. Only an injury will prevent Durant from repeating

[SAGirl]

Jimmer getting cut didn't end his thread for months. :lol
That was fed by Spurtacular... notorious troll ... that was exhibit A.

[lebomb]

I think Cleveland got the better end of the deal. Kyrie is better than IT, but IT did average 29pts a game. So he is still pretty good. The extras thrown in gave Cleveland the better overall end of the deal.

[Spurtacular]

Was Boston going to let Thomas walk? if so then this seems to be a pretty great trade for both teams.

Boston knew Thomas was hot garbage. All teams do. That's why he's on his fourth team despite the hype.

[rjv]

cavs certainly fared better than the clippers and thunder in regards to their respective trades.

[Spurtacular]

I think Cleveland got the better end of the deal. Kyrie is better than IT, but IT did average 29pts a game. So he is still pretty good. The extras thrown in gave Cleveland the better overall end of the deal.

Those stats will probably be going way down, imo. Lebron deferred to Kyrie b/c he was actually better with the ball in a lot of scenarios. Thomas's game is superficially good. But I do agree that Cle may get the better of this. Thomas may be a good enough band aid; and that Nets pick could end up being some serious sh**. Crowder also gives Cle a good defender they need for Durant.

[Chillen]

I think Cleveland got the better side of the trade but Boston got the better player. Still it's risky to trade with a rival team so if the Cavs don't make it to the NBA Finals this season and get beat by the Celtics there ya go. Cavs did it because it was the best deal they could get for Irving, Celtics did it because there is a chance LeBron leaves and they would have the better team.

[gambit1990]

thank god.

happy he didn't come here. happy lebron doesn't have to deal with him anymore.

[rjv]

thank god.

happy he didn't come here. happy lebron doesn't have to deal with him anymore. agreed. for what we would have had to have given up to get irving, if cleveland had taken the bait, his acquisition wouldn't have made us into any more of a contender. if anything, it would have injured our options for the summers of 2018 and/or '19.

[BatManu20]

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[weebo]

Anyone saying IT>KI is just plain stupid. Irving is a greater scorer, bigger, and better defender (when he wants to) than Thomas.

[skulls138]

Still not enough to overcome Lebron though. Lebrons D is going to nullify Kyries production. I can see Lebron staying in Cleveland now just to fuck with Kyrie.

[baseline bum]

agreed. for what we would have had to have given up to get irving, if cleveland had taken the bait, his acquisition wouldn't have made us into any more of a contender. if anything, it would have injured our options for the summers of 2018 and/or '19.

I don't know man, I feel like Aldrdige is gone next summer anyways and even if he plays well enough to bump up his trade value I still doubt the Spurs could get anyone as good as Irving in trade. It's moot since the Spurs had no way of matching the Celtics offer, but I would have loved having a 25 year old Irving to build around. The cupboard looks pretty bare other than Kawhi for this team's future, and I don't see any way outside of pretty serious injury that Golden State falls in the next couple of years anyways. Buford reloaded masterfully around Duncan, but that required some huge luck in Boston and Toronto passing on Parker in the draft and then the team winning the lottery when the nobody they drafted out of Argentina turned into a HOF level player within 3 years at Kinder Bologna. As good as Buford is, there was a lot of luck helping that early 2000s rebuild along. The Irving trade request felt like it could have been another stroke of luck for the late 2010s rebuild.

[SpursforSix]

I don't know man, I feel like Aldrdige is gone next summer anyways and even if he plays well enough to bump up his trade value I still doubt the Spurs could get anyone as good as Irving in trade. It's moot since the Spurs had no way of matching the Celtics offer, but I would have loved having a 25 year old Irving to build around. The cupboard looks pretty bare other than Kawhi for this team's future, and I don't see any way outside of pretty serious injury that Golden State falls in the next couple of years anyways. Buford reloaded masterfully around Duncan, but that required some huge luck in Boston and Toronto passing on Parker in the draft and then the team winning the lottery when the nobody they drafted out of Argentina turned into a HOF level player within 3 years at Kinder Bologna. As good as Buford is, there was a lot of luck helping that early 2000s rebuild along. The Irving trade request felt like it could have been another stroke of luck for the late 2010s rebuild.

I agree. But it seems like the FO stubbornness and "loyalty" has added an extra level of difficulty to building around Leonard.

[weebo]

I agree. But it seems like the FO stubbornness and "loyalty" has added an extra level of difficulty to building around Leonard.

It's that same "loyalty" that you mention that kept guys like TD from going to Orlando, Manu going to Denver, TP going to NY, etc...It works both ways.

[SpursforSix]

It's that same "loyalty" that you mention that kept guys like TD from going to Orlando, Manu going to Denver, TP going to NY, etc...It works both ways.

I don't believe that.

and IMO, paying Parker 16,000,000 per year is loyalty enough. They shouldn't feel obligated to not ever trade him.
At some point, you have to cut bait and think about the future.

[skulls138]

Nobody thought we were going to be as good as we were last year and last time we made a big splash we got LMA and we still got him. This place is like a broken record

[tholdren]

Anyone saying IT>KI is just plain stupid. Irving is a greater scorer, bigger, and better defender (when he wants to) than Thomas.

The only retard is you. Guy who works hard every night, or bum who doesnt?

[rjv]

I don't know man, I feel like Aldrdige is gone next summer anyways and even if he plays well enough to bump up his trade value I still doubt the Spurs could get anyone as good as Irving in trade. It's moot since the Spurs had no way of matching the Celtics offer, but I would have loved having a 25 year old Irving to build around. The cupboard looks pretty bare other than Kawhi for this team's future, and I don't see any way outside of pretty serious injury that Golden State falls in the next couple of years anyways. Buford reloaded masterfully around Duncan, but that required some huge luck in Boston and Toronto passing on Parker in the draft and then the team winning the lottery when the nobody they drafted out of Argentina turned into a HOF level player within 3 years at Kinder Bologna. As good as Buford is, there was a lot of luck helping that early 2000s rebuild along. The Irving trade request felt like it could have been another stroke of luck for the late 2010s rebuild. that's looking too far ahead and too speculative for me to really conjecture on. i know the SOP in ST is to take the cynical view but i still think the spurs have options, especially if LMA opts out this summer (which i hope he does for cap reasons).

[baseline bum]

that's looking to far ahead and too speculative for me to really conjecture on. i know the SOP in ST is to take the cynical view but i still think the spurs have options, especially if LMA opts out this summer (which i hope he does for cap reasons).

I think you have to look a couple of years ahead when Golden State has the title on lockdown for another couple of years while they have Thompson and Green on cap friendly contracts. The only player out there that could have given the Spurs a real chance at the Warriors would have been Paul. Once that blew up I don't think the Spurs should have been trying to win now. I'm not confident about 2018 free agency when George looks LA bound and Westbrook probably too. I guess I'd take a desperation shot at Cousins and hope for the best.

[21209]

Anyone saying IT>KI is just plain stupid. Irving is a greater scorer, bigger, and better defender (when he wants to) than Thomas.

I won't say Thomas is better than Irving. In terms of scoring, I definitely believe he's more efficient.

That said, I don't think Thomas will have as many big fourth quarters with Cleveland playing with LeBron. In Boston, he was the go to guy in the final period and he excelled at it.

[Chillen]

Despite those pleas, McMenamin reported thoughts of keeping him "became unrealistic" because Irving informed Cavaliers brass "that he would rather not report to training camp than begin another season with Cleveland."

Well having Thomas is better than having a player become a huge problem by not showing up to training camp. It was a fair deal for the Cavs, Irving will be missed what he brought for that team but he didn't want to be a Cavalier no more. The Cavs also might get Wade if Bulls buy him out, if everyone stays healthy they have a good shot at getting back to the Finals.

[exstatic]

I don't believe that.

and IMO, paying Parker 16,000,000 per year is loyalty enough. They shouldn't feel obligated to not ever trade him.
At some point, you have to cut bait and think about the future.
TP is a 7 time AS and a 2 time All NBA player, and has never made $20M for a season. Cutting bait, as you so flippantly put it, sends a signal that loyalty no longer flows from PATFO, and players will no longer take discounts like Parker has for his whole career. He never made his NBA max for any year of his career.

[rastaspur]

TP is a 7 time AS and a 2 time All NBA player, and has never made $20M for a season. Cutting bait, as you so flippantly put it, sends a signal that loyalty no longer flows from PATFO, and players will no longer take discounts like Parker has for his whole career. He never made his NBA max for any year of his career.

He was underpaid for some years and has been overpaid for others. It's evened out and he's been paid an average salary over the years commensurate with his production.

I got no complaints overall.

[tholdren]

I won't say Thomas is better than Irving. In terms of scoring, I definitely believe he's more efficient.

That said, I don't think Thomas will have as many big fourth quarters with Cleveland playing with LeBron. In Boston, he was the go to guy in the final period and he excelled at it.

Who gives a shit about big 4th qtrs?

[21209]

Who gives a shit about big 4th qtrs?

I'm sure sure the Celtics and their fans did when Thomas delivered in clutch situations many times last season.

[tbdog]

It got screwed. I hope free agents remember this. Hopefully next off season we can show our loyalty.

[SpursforSix]

TP is a 7 time AS and a 2 time All NBA player, and has never made $20M for a season. Cutting bait, as you so flippantly put it, sends a signal that loyalty no longer flows from PATFO, and players will no longer take discounts like Parker has for his whole career. He never made his NBA max for any year of his career.

What does $20M have to do anything? For most of his career, only a few players made that per year. And only until the last couple of years has it been around 10 players that made that. They paid him his money. He's getting $16 M per year. That's all the loyalty they owe him. Keeping him on the roster when they could have traded him is going overboard.

[ducks]

spurs be lucky to get another point guard that makes the allstar 7 times like tp

[TheDoctor]

spurs be lucky to get another point guard who fucks his teammates chicks 7 times like tp
I agree.

[ducks]

Where is the proof he did?
barry a spurs hater stating it does not make it so

[TheDoctor]

Where is the proof he did?
barry a spurs hater stating it does not make it so
Please. We aren't kids anymore.

[gambit1990]

https://image.ibb.co/bX2v1k/IMG_2621.jpg

[Ice009]

Please. We aren't kids anymore.

Again, I don't believe that he did. I doubt the Spurs would have kept him on the team if he did.

[Stand]

Cavs are talking about voiding the trade following IT's physical.

[Budkin]

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[ace3g]

Were back in it!!!

[TimDunkem]

^Keep dreaming.

[ace3g]

Sorry my sarcasm-dry sense of humor does not translate well on forums...

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[cd98]

Were back in it!!!

NBA blocking trade like the CP3 to Lakers.

[BatManu20]

Tbh I'm sure CLE knew about IT's hip issue and Koby Altman is just trying to milk one more asset out of the deal. Another 1st rounder would be a nice grab for CLE.

Still goes through either way imo.

[marinoman]

Cavs should cancel the trade. That would completely fuck Boston over as IT and crowder would be upset and probably force their way out and cavs would be fine cause other teams would see what package it'll take to land kyrie and that they're clearly willing to trade with anyone even the 2nd best team in the east. It really would put Boston in a bad spot if the trade's canceled

[spurs10]

https://media.giphy.com/media/8fen5LSZcHQ5O/giphy.gif :lol

[dabom]

On to 100+...

[dabom]

ST can do that...

[tholdren]

Cavs got the better deal even without thomas.

[cutewizard]

Crazy trade

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) now (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/901444877237583873)
Sources: Cleveland's evaluation/conversation on status of Irving/Thomas deal has remained internal. So far, team hasn't re-engaged Boston.

[TheDoctor]

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[Dverde]

Voiding the trade now would be next level game of thrones stuff. Void it then trade Kryrie to another team like Phoenix. Boston having to deal with a pouting IT.

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[TheDoctor]

Voiding the trade now would be next level game of thrones stuff. Void it then trade Kryrie to another team like Phoenix. Boston having to deal with a pouting IT.

[illusioNtEk]

NBA game of thrones drama lol

[SupremeGuy]

Tbh I'm sure CLE knew about IT's hip issue and Koby Altman is just trying to milk one more asset out of the deal. Another 1st rounder would be a nice grab for CLE.

Still goes through either way imo.This.

[gambit1990]

i hope the cavs are just trying to get a lil more. i do not wanna see this deal fall through.

still can't over the kings not resigning IT/other teams not being interested. boston got him on a real good deal that offseason.

[BatManu20]

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[cjw]

Cavs are going to get another 1st Rounder, aren't they..


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Honestly is pretty bush-league. If it were an undiagnosed issue, then understand trying to walk a trade back. But things like this (and Chandler to the Thunder) should be pre-cleared with doctors.

NBAPA may file a grievance too on Thomas' behalf because this could hurt his FA value if teams think he could be damaged goods.

[tholdren]

Honestly is pretty bush-league. If it were an undiagnosed issue, then understand trying to walk a trade back. But things like this (and Chandler to the Thunder) should be pre-cleared with doctors.

NBAPA may file a grievance too on Thomas' behalf because this could hurt his FA value if teams think he could be damaged goods.

What do you expect with altman?

[apalisoc_9]

Cavs knew Thomas was going to fail that physical tbh...:lol

[Knoxxx]

Hip labrum tear with femoral impingement is exactly what my daughter just had fixed in March. The labrum does not heal once torn and the impingement is frequently the root cause. The corrective surgery involves suturing back the labrum and shaving down a small amount of bone that caused the tear by rubbing on the labrum which is cartilage. It is an out patient arthroscopic procedure which took two hours and you can expect to be on crutches for about a month afterwards. Return to sport best case is probably about 4 months.

She was recently cleared to play soccer again at the 20 week post op mark. As we near 5 months out her hip feels great, small amount of soreness after intense activity which quickly subsides within a day or two. 6 months out may be the 100% normal again mark, we will see. Unfortunately the same problem surfaced in the other hip. However, her pain has not been that much so the doctor cleared her despite an MRI showing a worse tear than the now repaired hip. The doctor said that it is grey as to whether you have to have surgery for a torn hip labrum if it is not bothering you and conservative therapy is an option. He recommended she not wait more than 18 to 24 months to get it fixed, although long term study data is not there for preventing problems like arthritis and hip replacement later in life. My daughter is very happy with her outcome and can't wait to get the other hip fixed right after her school's soccer season on October. After struggling for over a year with this she finally sees a clear path to running pain free again. Many people have these tears though and barely know it, and it is possible to press on at 80-90% level of play for a season or two.

Let's apply some common sense here though. Thomas could have had this fixed in May and be on the very tail end of his surgery rehab protocol. This is a degenerative condition. The cartilage is chewed up and can only worsen not improve. Sinovial fluid leaks out of the broken hip gasket resulting in additional inflammation, cysts, bad stuff. The impingement almost guarantees this will only get worse. The repair surgery has become commonplace the last decade with excellent 100% recovery prospects from what we know so far.

in summary, the decision not to have surgery in May sounds very dubious to me. That was the ideal time as it allowed for a high probability that Thomas could be ready by November start of season. If Thomas hip fails (likely IMO), he would be out 4-6 months recovering. Thomas appears to be a huge question mark at this point for the 2017-18 season as a result.

[ducks]

http://www.12up.com/posts/5447714-report-cavs-were-close-to-blockbuster-three-team-trade-involving-kyrie?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=FBADS&utm_campaign=US1638

Interesting trades that did not go through

[Knoxxx]

Sounds like the Spurs have never been seriously in the picture.

[TheDoctor]

Sounds like the Spurs have never been seriously in the picture.

Can't compete w/ what other teams are offering.

[ducks]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-cavaliers-ask-jaylen-brown-002506120.html

[TheDoctor]

Cavs are going to get another 1st Rounder, aren't they..


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They crazy and I don't believe Ainge is that stupid. Probably they know LBJ's bolting and don't wanna revert to the LeBronless era :lol
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[Mal]

Boston should stay out of this deal. Take this package, or GTFO.

I know Boston will be screwed, but if IT is coming back, they have to extend him right away, without discount. I am not sure if that's what Boston wants, but this is what Boston will get.

[Chillen]

Never a good idea to trade with rivals no matter how sweet the deal appears to be on paper. Cavs will have to get out of the East and a Celtics team with Irving will be no easy out. Both Rose and IT have had injurys, who knows if they can stay healthy. Cleveland should take the package only if they know LeBron is 100% not leaving next season, if he's leaving keep Irving. For now cancel trade and see if Irving shows up at training camp, if he doesn't show trade him again. If IT and Rose get injured Boston comes out of the East with Irving.

[tholdren]

Can't compete w/ what other teams are offering.

Only retards want kyrie

[cd021]

Boston should stay out of this deal. Take this package, or GTFO.

I know Boston will be screwed, but if IT is coming back, they have to extend him right away, without discount. I am not sure if that's what Boston wants, but this is what Boston will get.

Seems pretty clear that Boston would rather not pay I.T. that money. Kyrie is probably better (though I.T. was probably better or at least even last season) and three full years younger at 25 1/2. Boston made it this far, giving up another pick to make it happen doesn't seem that unreasonable, especially if they can keep Brown and Tatum.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) now (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/903080703587491841)
Cleveland, Boston have reached an agreement, league source tells ESPN.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) now (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/903081117758185472)
Boston is sending Cleveland a 2020 second-round pick to complete the Kyrie Irving-Isaiah Thomas trade, league source tells ESPN.

[LakerHater]

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[kaji157]

All that fuzz for a second round pick

[BatManu20]

Cavs we're trying to hold out for a 1st-Round Pick but Ainge wouldn't budge and they have to get the deal done by tomorrow morning.

[Knoxxx]

Here is an interesting article on Isiah Thomas' hip issue:

http://www.newslocker.com/en-us/sport/boston-celtics/fansided-hardwood-houdini-speculating-on-the-severity-of-isaiah-thomass-hip-injury/view/

Hopefully I pasted the right link. Basically speculating. Incorrect to say a torn labrum heals on its own, it does not.

The discussion about bone shape or impingement and possible need for invasive rather than arthroscopic surgery is interesting. As the impingement would typically be the cause of the tear, he'd need to get that corrected or the labral repair would be pointless.

Also if this is a bone structure issue the next question to ask is what about the other hip? From what I have seen the problem hip is obviously what you would fix first, but the other one could be a time bomb in its own right and it would be interesting to know if they had scanned it yet.

[tholdren]

Here is an interesting article on Isiah Thomas' hip issue:

http://www.newslocker.com/en-us/sport/boston-celtics/fansided-hardwood-houdini-speculating-on-the-severity-of-isaiah-thomass-hip-injury/view/

Hopefully I pasted the right link. Basically speculating. Incorrect to say a torn labrum heals on its own, it does not.

The discussion about bone shape or impingement and possible need for invasive rather than arthroscopic surgery is interesting. As the impingement would typically be the cause of the tear, he'd need to get that corrected or the labral repair would be pointless.

Also if this is a bone structure issue the next question to ask is what about the other hip? From what I have seen the problem hip is obviously what you would fix first, but the other one could be a time bomb in its own right and it would be interesting to know if they had scanned it yet.

So what, its like a meniscus, acl, or anything else really. Does not require surgery

[Knoxxx]

So what, its like a meniscus, acl, or anything else really. Does not require surgery

The so what is the hip already failed him. I am sure experiences can vary, but our experience with this injury is you are not going to play at 100% again once it reaches that point. I would certainly agree that if running around at 80 to 90% of your normal self is acceptable performance, than a non surgical approach may be something you try. That won't cut it for many pro sports athletes though, especially undersized 5 foot 9 NBA ones.

Also this is not a well understood injury, as the article author could have found with a simple Google that a torn labrum does not heal on its own. In my opinion, you would have to be a special kind of stupid not to get an injury repaired that will not heal, but offers strong prospects of a 100% fix if corrected early enough.

[tholdren]

The so what is the hip already failed him. I am sure experiences can vary, but our experience with this injury is you are not going to play at 100% again once it reaches that point. I would certainly agree that if running around at 80 to 90% of your normal self is acceptable performance, than a non surgical approach may be something you try. That won't cut it for many pro sports athletes though, especially undersized 5 foot 9 NBA ones.

Also this is not a well understood injury, as the article author could have found with a simple Google that a torn labrum does not heal on its own. In my opinion, you would have to be a special kind of stupid not to get an injury repaired that will not heal, but offers strong prospects of a 100% fix if corrected early enough.

Again there is no 100 fix to any of what i mentioned before. You vastly overrate the word pro and vastly underestimate the human body. Ive torn every ligament in my knee, some multiple times. I can squat, dl and clean more than i ever could as well as jump as high. Im well past my prime, and have had zero surgeries. They are not necessary. Go ask steve kerr

[I. Hustle]

Again there is no 100 fix to any of what i mentioned before. You vastly overrate the word pro and vastly underestimate the human body. Ive torn every ligament in my knee, some multiple times. I can squat, dl and clean more than i ever could as well as jump as high. Im well past my prime, and have had zero surgeries. They are not necessary. Go ask steve kerr

Are you twisted steel and sex appeal? Have you ever been to any Asian countries?

[Knoxxx]

Again there is no 100 fix to any of what i mentioned before. You vastly overrate the word pro and vastly underestimate the human body. Ive torn every ligament in my knee, some multiple times. I can squat, dl and clean more than i ever could as well as jump as high. Im well past my prime, and have had zero surgeries. They are not necessary. Go ask steve kerr

I hope you are correct and my daughter makes it through the next month ok with her soccer. She's had the procedure though and is sold on it. Knowing her other side looks worse on the MRA (not MRI for this) she wants it fixed in the offseason to finally run pain free again.

In her case the pain became debilitating. She'd had almost 3 months off and when resuming SAQ training it hurt so badly she cried. This is a pretty tough little kid that played through pain for over a year before we figured out what the hell was going on.

i think what we are dealing with mainly for now is managing inflammation. The prior hip tear had a traumatic impact though and I think she's afraid that's the future on the other side, getting knocked out of sport at an inopportune time and she just wants to play.

As I alluded to, individual situations vary. I am glad you are managing your ailments well. Who knows if Thomas is doing the right thing, but we were afraid of surgery before and having gone through it we are believers in this being a sound but relatively new procedure.

As we saw with Timmy, you can get by for a long time with impaired cartilage, but why not try and save it? And there are many people who had this type of problem (knee, hip, other) that are never the same post injury.

So again the points were if you have a chance for a 100% fix, take it! Is Thomas damaged goods? Time will tell. What I heard of his rehab was stationary bike and pool exercise which is not promising.

Overall all we can do is speculate though for now as the article was doing.

[spursistan]

Bump..

Unless that Nets picks (likely in the 5-10) deliver a prospect with All-Star ceiling, this trade is trending toward being considered a Boston heist, IMO. Not insisting on getting one of Tatum or Jaylen Brown is just nuts on Cleveland part.

Or, couldn't have Cavs waited a bit more until Kyrie frustrations blow over?

[Russ]

When rumors of a potential trade of Kyrie Irving by Cleveland first broke . . .


I cannot imagine why Cleveland would trade Kyrie Irving, regardless of what he or Lebron or anyone else thinks.

It could be the opportunity of a lifetime for some team if Cleveland is foolish enough to do it.

Forget about aging and underachieving Chris Paul or any of the others, this would be huge.

Then after it happened . . .


This has to be the dumbest trade in the history of American team sports.

The Cavs realized the above after a mere six months.

So the Cavs essentially traded perennial All Star Kyrie Irving in exchange for one contract the Lakers wanted to unload, one athletic project and the Cavs had to throw in a First Round draft pick to boot in order to undo the damage.

Meanwhile, Kyrie Irving has put Boston on top of the East while Isaiah Thomas is with his (sixth?) team . . .