Report: Kyrie Irving Asked Cavs to Trade Him

[TheDoctor]

Not even halfway to this 132 page juggernaut.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236782&highlight=spurs+contact+pau+gasol

That's a 40page thread to me.

User > Settings > Show 100 posts per page > Save Changes > WIN. Much less browsing

[TheDoctor]

If Kyrie's problem is that he wants to be the guy, I don't think we want him here, ultimately.

I agree. If true, that makes no sense. He asked for a trade wanting to be the main guy and mention the Spurs as pne of his preferred destinations? I don't know what to believe tbh.

1) Irving no longer wanted to stay in CLE to play somewhere else where he can be the focal point and main guy.

2) Then apparently he wanted some of his best friends working/flying with the team same as some LBJ pals.

3) Then he asked to be traded not because he wanted to be the focal point at all but because GM LeBron put him in PG13/Jimmy trade talks.

So... I don't know.

I mean, I thought he had a very important place and focal point in CLE. It was obvious he was the clear main guy behind LBJ and quite ahead of Kevin Love. Kyrie even lead the team in shots per game!

All of this is a fucking mess.

[SPURt]

I don't know what's worse, the 50 pages wasted on a guy who probably isn't coming or the fact that I keep checking it...
Haha! Boom! I guess it's better than the typical late July Spurstalk?

[LittleCriminal]

Lol spurs talkers thinking Irving is coming to SA...
You think pop wants this circus on his team.

[rastaspur]

Maybe he doesn't want to be the man. Maybe it has to do with the rumor that the kang dicked down his girlfriend.

If that's the reason then he is insane for making San Antonio one of his preferred destinations. Is he clueless as to the legendary status of tony parker, the French wilt chamberlain?

[hooperflash]

Lol spurs talkers thinking Irving is coming to SA...
You think pop wants this circus on his team.

We've got Siamese Twins already (Kyle and Derrick), let's get it running!

[sasaint]

Maybe he doesn't want to be the man. Maybe it has to do with the rumor that the kang dicked down his girlfriend.

If that's the reason then he is insane for making San Antonio one of his preferred destinations. Is he clueless as to the legendary status of tony parker, the French wilt chamberlain?

Probably no more than 3 degrees of separation among Wilt, Tony and Kyrie, anyhow...

[ducks]

LeBron James 'eager to see Irving off' as Cavs offered new monster deal for Kyrie followin Rose signing
https://sports.yahoo.com/m/7d16da69-4c14-3b29-8a85-9631c37d6901/ss_lebron-james-%26%2339%3Beager-to.html

[hooperflash]

Lol spurs talkers thinking Irving is coming to SA...
You think pop wants this circus on his team.

We've got Siamese Twins already (Kyle and Derrick), let's get it running!

[Ice009]

LeBron James 'eager to see Irving off' as Cavs offered new monster deal for Kyrie followin Rose signing
https://sports.yahoo.com/m/7d16da69-4c14-3b29-8a85-9631c37d6901/ss_lebron-james-%26%2339%3Beager-to.html

It's going to be a trade between the Suns and Cavs if the Suns offer Josh Jackson along with Eric Bledsoe. If Bledsoe can stay healthy and Jackson is going to be as good as people think he is, this could make the Cavs better off. I also didn't know Lebron and Bledsoe are friends. I guess it all depends upon the Suns throwing in Josh Jackson.

[TheGreatYacht]

There's more people bitching and moaning about the thread pages and "not getting their hopes up" than there is people with their hopes up. We get it, retards. It ain't happening.

[ducks]

Phoenix does not want to include Josh

[ducks]

There's more people bitching and moaning about the thread pages and "not getting their hopes up" than there is people with their hopes up. We get it, retards. It ain't happening.

You should like Lindsay graham

[Ice009]

Phoenix does not want to include Josh

If they do, though, do you see that deal getting done?

[TimDunkem]

We've got Siamese Twins already (Kyle and Derrick), let's get it running!
http://i.imgur.com/6X9NdEe.jpg

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I agree. If true, that makes no sense. He asked for a trade wanting to be the main guy and mention the Spurs as pne of his preferred destinations? I don't know what to believe tbh.

1) Irving no longer wanted to stay in CLE to play somewhere else where he can be the focal point and main guy.

2) Then apparently he wanted some of his best friends working/flying with the team same as some LBJ pals.

3) Then he asked to be traded not because he wanted to be the focal point at all but because GM LeBron put him in PG13/Jimmy trade talks.

So... I don't know.

I mean, I thought he had a very important place and focal point in CLE. It was obvious he was the clear main guy behind LBJ and quite ahead of Kevin Love. Kyrie even lead the team in shots per game!

All of this is a fucking mess.

Kyrie doesn't and won't have a problem whether he's the one or two guy on a club. He just is tired of James, his posse, and the drama that comes with it.

[TheDoctor]

http://i.imgur.com/6X9NdEe.jpg

LMAAAOOOOO!
The Siamese Foreheads :rollin:lmao:rollin!

[TimDunkem]

LMAAAOOOOO!
The Siamese Foreheads :rollin:lmao:rollin!
A rare glimpse at Fathead Jr. before Drunkford had him cut out of Kyle's forehead to fill out the roster since no one wants to sign here.

[Laughing Gravy]

There is some true photoshop fucking gold that comes from this site lol

[SAGirl]

http://i.imgur.com/6X9NdEe.jpg

Kind of a real gay concept... makes it seem like he's thinking of his mini-me which doesn't make sense? Also, makes it seem like his third eye is White? An esoteric concept but also senseless.

[TimDunkem]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[SAGirl]

It is funny I do admit. :tu
Kind of reminds me of photoshops like this:
http://img.moto.kiev.ua/thumbcache/_general/forumfullimg~general~1254687826984~1280133064861.j pg

[21209]

Kyrie is a headcase like young Stephon Marbury was. He wants to be the "man", yet when he's had the chance his teams were piss poor record-wise like Marbury's teams were after he left Minnesota.

He can't even decide from one day to the next which his preferred team would be if he is traded. First, it's the Spurs, then the Timberwolves and now, the Knicks.

Don't want him here. I don't want a player that will take shots away from Kawhi and not share the ball.

[mudyez]

Kyrie is a headcase like young Stephon Marbury was. He wants to be the "man", yet when he's had the chance his teams were piss poor record-wise like Marbury's teams were after he left Minnesota.

He can't even decide from one day to the next which his preferred team would be if he is traded. First, it's the Spurs, then the Timberwolves and now, the Knicks.

Don't want him here. I don't want a player that will take shots away from Kawhi and not share the ball.

+1

[TheGreatYacht]

Kyrie was 19-21yrs old when he was the main man :lol If you're expecting him to carry teams with Anthony Bennett, Andrew Bynum's corpse, and coaches like Byron Scott & Mike Brown to the playoffs then you should've been aborted.

During that span he made the All Star team twice and averaged 21/4/6 on 44FG% & 38 3P%. He wasn't even old enough to drink when he had to carry those teams.

Some of you are truly idiots.

[TimDunkem]

Kyrie was 19-21yrs old when he was the main man :lol If you're expecting him to carry teams with Anthony Bennett, Andrew Bynum's corpse, and coaches like Byron Scott & Mike Brown to the playoffs then you should've been aborted.

During that span he made the All Star team twice and averaged 21/4/6 on 44FG% & 38 3P%. He wasn't even old enough to drink when he had to carry those teams.

Some of you are truly idiots.Some of these hese fucking rubes want to look so intelligent and are so concerned with outsmarting others that they end up overthinking basketball and outsmarting themselves.

People want to cry about cancerous behavior, ball dominance, and poor defense when they've had a poor defensive, ball dominant point guard who betrayed his teammates by texting wives for well over a fucking decade...And he was never as talented as Kyrie. :lol

[Mr. Body]

Kyrie is a headcase like young Stephon Marbury was. He wants to be the "man", yet when he's had the chance his teams were piss poor record-wise like Marbury's teams were after he left Minnesota.

He can't even decide from one day to the next which his preferred team would be if he is traded. First, it's the Spurs, then the Timberwolves and now, the Knicks.

Don't want him here. I don't want a player that will take shots away from Kawhi and not share the ball.

You think what the media is reporting is what he actually wants and believes. :)

[dubross]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20177155/kyrie-irving-trade-talks-show-how-much-teams-including-cleveland-cavaliers-value-him

“So far, these are among the teams who've made offers to the Cavaliers for Irving, league sources tell ESPN: The San Antonio Spurs, LA Clippers, Phoenix Suns, Minnesota Timberwolves, New York Knicks and Miami Heat. There were approximately 20 teams that inquired with Cleveland upon the news of Irving's trade request, league sources said, but far fewer have registered legitimate proposals. More loom in the shadows, and many interested simply don't have the assets to make a deal happen.”

[21209]

You think what the media is reporting is what he actually wants and believes. :)

Why not?

It seems to fit his personality.

[Spurs9]

"[Wolfson] The #Twolves have made the Cavs an official offer for Kyrie Irving, per @wojespn. So have 5 other teams [Spurs, Clippers, Suns, Knicks, Heat]. No, I don't know the specifics yet."

[Ice009]

Good. Glad to hear that the Spurs have made an offer. I am happy with that. If a deal doesn't get done, I can accept that.

[RLT]

Kyrie was 19-21yrs old when he was the main man :lol If you're expecting him to carry teams with Anthony Bennett, Andrew Bynum's corpse, and coaches like Byron Scott & Mike Brown to the playoffs then you should've been aborted.

During that span he made the All Star team twice and averaged 21/4/6 on 44FG% & 38 3P%. He wasn't even old enough to drink when he had to carry those teams.

Some of you are truly idiots.
:toast It's disturbing sometimes

[Leetonidas]

Lol ST posters. :cry I bet pop and rc didn't bother to call :cry

[DPG21920]

Lol ST posters. :cry I bet pop and rc didn't bother to call :cry

:lol Yup.

[ducks]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20177155/kyrie-irving-trade-talks-show-how-much-teams-including-cleveland-cavaliers-value-him

“So far, these are among the teams who've made offers to the Cavaliers for Irving, league sources tell ESPN: The San Antonio Spurs, LA Clippers, Phoenix Suns, Minnesota Timberwolves, New York Knicks and Miami Heat. There were approximately 20 teams that inquired with Cleveland upon the news of Irving's trade request, league sources said, but far fewer have registered legitimate proposals. More loom in the shadows, and many interested simply don't have the assets to make a deal happen.”

[look_at_g_shred]

Well if you think about who the spurs offered. Think about this..there was a specific reason why Murray was pulled from Summer League, and I don't buy the injury excuse. Maybe spurs had got wind Kyrie wanted out around that time because if your remember there was a report that spurs/cavs were working on a trade draft night. I'm sure these players were involved in trade talks: LMA/Green/Murray

[RLT]

Lol ST posters. :cry I bet pop and rc didn't bother to call :cry

:lol Yup.

Lol 87,000 post combined and you post garbage like this. From this alone, I can tell you that most of the posters here are more knowledgeable about this team than yall. Scrubs.

[RLT]

Well if you think about who the spurs offered. Think about this..there was a specific reason why Murray was pulled from Summer League, and I don't buy the injury excuse. Maybe spurs had got wind Kyrie wanted out around that time because if your remember there was a report that spurs/cavs were working on a trade draft night. I'm sure these players were involved in trade talks: LMA/Green/Murray

Absolutely.

[DPG21920]

Well if you think about who the spurs offered. Think about this..there was a specific reason why Murray was pulled from Summer League, and I don't buy the injury excuse. Maybe spurs had got wind Kyrie wanted out around that time because if your remember there was a report that spurs/cavs were working on a trade draft night. I'm sure these players were involved in trade talks: LMA/Green/Murray

Those are SA's only real assets and Danny/Murray are the one's to links with Lebron. I'm assuming the offer had to be like said PLUS at least one first round pick unprotected.

[look_at_g_shred]

Those are SA's only real assets and Danny/Murray are the one's to links with Lebron. I'm assuming the offer had to be like said PLUS at least one first round pick unprotected.
Don't be surprised if Bertans was offered as well.

[cd021]

Aldridge is gone next summer if not sooner. The Spurs have a lot of point guards but none of them are any good, so I don't buy that Aldridge is a better fit. Plus Irving is 25 while Aldridge is 32 and declining. I don't care much about next year since GSW is repeating unless Curry or Durant is out for the WCF or the Finals. Irving is a piece to build around to be back in title contention in a couple of years.

And I love Green, but he's much easier to replace than it is to get a player of Irving's caliber. I would without hesitating trade Green, a 2018 first, Murray, and Aldridge for Irving and Shumpert even though I hate Shumpert's game and his contract is awful.

Aldridge most certainly opts in unless his agent is able to find a market for him, $22.5 million to a 33 year old LMA likely coming off three straight seasons of less than 19 ppg probably seems like the safe bet unless a team is willing to offer him a 3 year, $50+ deal.

Much rather keep Green and pair him with Irving and Leonard to minimize Irving's dumpster fire defense but it's doubtful that the Spurs can keep him in any potential trade.

My trade proposal:

Cav's Get:

Eric Bledsoe
Jared Dudley
Danny Green
Dejounte Murray

Spurs Get

Kyrie Irving
Tyson Chandler

Suns Get:

LaMarcus Aldridge
2018 Spurs 1st Round Pick
Channing Frye
Kay Felder


Move would be good for all three teams tbh:

Cavs are better equip to play against GSW by adding wing depth and Bledsoe is a much better defender than Irving and coming off a career year.

Suns lose out on Irving but they probably weren't getting him without Josh Jackson. Get rid of Bledsoe and Chandler, both of whom they were probably interested in moving plus they dump Dudley. They clear out ~$38 million in 18-19 if Aldridge were to opt out.

Spurs get the best player while also potentially salvaging next off season where they could be over the cap if LMA + Green or Gay opt in.

[Spurs9]

Aldridge most certainly opts in unless his agent is able to find a market for him, $22.5 million to a 33 year old LMA likely coming off three straight seasons of less than 19 ppg probably seems like the safe bet unless a team is willing to offer him a 3 year, $50+ deal.

Much rather keep Green and pair him with Irving and Leonard to minimize Irving's dumpster fire defense but it's doubtful that the Spurs can keep him in any potential trade.


Cav's Get:

Eric Bledsoe
Jared Dudley
Danny Green
Dejounte Murray

Spurs Get

Kyrie Irving
Tyson Chandler

Suns Get:

LaMarcus Aldridge
2018 Spurs 1st Round Pick
Channing Frye
Kay Felder


Move would be good for all three teams tbh:

Cavs are better equip to play against GSW by adding wing depth and Bledsoe is a much better defender than Irving and coming off a career year.

Suns lose out on Irving but they probably weren't getting him without Josh Jackson. Get rid of Bledsoe and Chandler, both of whom they were probably interested in moving plus they dump Dudley. They clear out ~$38 million in 18-19 if Aldridge were to opt out.

Spurs get the best player while also potentially salvaging next off season where they could be over the cap if LMA + Green or Gay opt in.

Do it RC.

[Mr. Body]

Aldridge most certainly opts in unless his agent is able to find a market for him, $22.5 million to a 33 year old LMA likely coming off three straight seasons of less than 19 ppg probably seems like the safe bet unless a team is willing to offer him a 3 year, $50+ deal.

Much rather keep Green and pair him with Irving and Leonard to minimize Irving's dumpster fire defense but it's doubtful that the Spurs can keep him in any potential trade.

My trade proposal:

Cav's Get:

Eric Bledsoe
Jared Dudley
Danny Green
Dejounte Murray

Spurs Get

Kyrie Irving
Tyson Chandler

Suns Get:

LaMarcus Aldridge
2018 Spurs 1st Round Pick
Channing Frye
Kay Felder


Move would be good for all three teams tbh:

Cavs are better equip to play against GSW by adding wing depth and Bledsoe is a much better defender than Irving and coming off a career year.

Suns lose out on Irving but they probably weren't getting him without Josh Jackson. Get rid of Bledsoe and Chandler, both of whom they were probably interested in moving plus they dump Dudley. They clear out ~$38 million in 18-19 if Aldridge were to opt out.

Spurs get the best player while also potentially salvaging next off season where they could be over the cap if LMA + Green or Gay opt in.

I would do this. The likelihood of LMA opting in making losing Green palatable.

[sasaint]

Aldridge most certainly opts in unless his agent is able to find a market for him, $22.5 million to a 33 year old LMA likely coming off three straight seasons of less than 19 ppg probably seems like the safe bet unless a team is willing to offer him a 3 year, $50+ deal.

Much rather keep Green and pair him with Irving and Leonard to minimize Irving's dumpster fire defense but it's doubtful that the Spurs can keep him in any potential trade.

My trade proposal:

Cav's Get:

Eric Bledsoe
Jared Dudley
Danny Green
Dejounte Murray

Spurs Get

Kyrie Irving
Tyson Chandler

Suns Get:

LaMarcus Aldridge
2018 Spurs 1st Round Pick
Channing Frye
Kay Felder


Move would be good for all three teams tbh:

Cavs are better equip to play against GSW by adding wing depth and Bledsoe is a much better defender than Irving and coming off a career year.

Suns lose out on Irving but they probably weren't getting him without Josh Jackson. Get rid of Bledsoe and Chandler, both of whom they were probably interested in moving plus they dump Dudley. They clear out ~$38 million in 18-19 if Aldridge were to opt out.

Spurs get the best player while also potentially salvaging next off season where they could be over the cap if LMA + Green or Gay opt in.

If the Suns do not get Kyrie, I am not sure I could see them facilitating the Spurs' acquisition of him, tbh.

[tmtcsc]

Don't be surprised if Bertans was offered as well.

I wouldn't be surprised at all. He was AWFUL in the summer league & showed nothing in terms of rebounding.

[Mr. Body]

If the Suns do not get Kyrie, I am not sure I could see them facilitating the Spurs' acquisition of him, tbh.

Why not? They're not competing at the same level at this point.

[sasaint]

I would do this. The likelihood of LMA opting in making losing Green palatable.

I don't follow you. How does the likelihood of LMA's opting in make the loss of Green more palatable? Two different players, two different positions, one happy to be a Spur and one not...

[look_at_g_shred]

I don't follow you. How does the likelihood of LMA's opting in make the loss of Green more palatable? Two different players, two different positions, one happy to be a Spur and one not...
I think he means that he'd rather package Green with LMA if it meant not having LMA on the team for 2 more seasons.

[sasaint]

Why not? They're not competing at the same level at this point.

Lots of bad blood between the franchises over the years... Western conference rivals... Old LMA and Frye not filling a position of need when they have Bender and Chriss on board.

[Mr. Body]

I don't follow you. How does the likelihood of LMA's opting in make the loss of Green more palatable? Two different players, two different positions, one happy to be a Spur and one not...

LMA opting in with the Spurs is deadweight and potentially very bad. I don't want to lose Green but would do it if it avoids a bad situation and moves us forward.

[look_at_g_shred]

I wouldn't be surprised at all. He was AWFUL in the summer league & showed nothing in terms of rebounding.
You are correct. Would much rather have Marco back tbh

[sasaint]

Those are SA's only real assets and Danny/Murray are the one's to links with Lebron. I'm assuming the offer had to be like said PLUS at least one first round pick unprotected.

Protecting a Spurs pick would be pretty unnecessary - unless it was top-29 protected, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Protecting a Spurs pick would be pretty unnecessary - unless it was top-29 protected, tbh.

While this is true, things like injuries happen, etc..Was just saying I would think any pick from the Spurs would have to be unprotected.

[sasaint]

I think he means that he'd rather package Green with LMA if it meant not having LMA on the team for 2 more seasons.

Here! Here! to that!

[RiverwalkParade]

Have to think other teams are assuming LMA opts in next season and are factoring that in to their decisions. They know it will tie up our cap and keep us from being competitive next offseason. Probably not going to find a willing partner for him. Probably why we paid so much for Gasol.

[sasaint]

While this is true, things like injuries happen, etc..Was just saying I would think any pick from the Spurs would have to be unprotected.

I don't think the Spurs ever even think about protecting picks. But who knows? When was the last trade of any consequence they made?

[sasaint]

Have to think other teams are assuming LMA opts in next season and are factoring that in to their decisions. They know it will tie up our cap and keep us from being competitive next offseason. Probably not going to find a willing partner for him. Probably why we paid so much for Gasol.

Wait... we paid so much for Gasol so that we could guarantee ourselves the services of TWO overpaid, soft bigs?

[cd021]

If the Suns do not get Kyrie, I am not sure I could see them facilitating the Spurs' acquisition of him, tbh.

That's what the 1st round pick is for; if not they can go fuck themselves, twice.:lol

[cd021]

Have to think other teams are assuming LMA opts in next season and are factoring that in to their decisions. They know it will tie up our cap and keep us from being competitive next offseason. Probably not going to find a willing partner for him. Probably why we paid so much for Gasol.

The Suns would still save money in 18-19 in my scenario above, almost $15 million by moving Bledsoe, Chandler, and Dudley and taking back LMA.

[sasaint]

Wait... we paid so much for Gasol so that we could guarantee ourselves the services of TWO overpaid, soft bigs?

[Ron Swanson]

Lol ST posters. :cry I bet pop and rc didn't bother to call :cry

:lol

[tmtcsc]

You are correct. Would much rather have Marco back tbh

A package of Aldridge, Green, Bertans & Murray for Irving wouldn't phase me one bit. Despite the game against Houston, Danny Green really didn't have a good playoff showing. He's still a GOOD defender but not good enough to put up with his offensive liabilities. He's not worthy of starting in my opinion. Murray is the biggest pile of spit in the bunch and is all talk & selfies so far. Rubbing shoulders with people who can play won't make him a champion or all-star by osmosis. -- Although he seems to think he runs in those circles. What an asswhip.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Wish we had specifics as to what was offered by SA..

[DPG21920]

Wish we had specifics as to what was offered by SA..

Maybe eventually there will be but you know better...MIA only leaked because they think their package is solid (it is) but they know CLE won't deal with them so they are trying to put public pressure on CLE.

But, with the reports of CLE and SA talking trades during free agency centered around Danny/LMA we can piece most of it together.

[Chinook]

I still haven't really gotten an answer to the question: Is LMA opting in or out supposed to be the bad thing?

The whole reason why SA was supposedly trying to move Aldridge is because he was pissed at being a Spurs and was definitely gone. It's not because he's a bad contract or bad player. Him being "disgruntled" isn't a big deal seeing as he was an All-Star in Portland despite it being provable that he wanted out of there.

If we all thought he was going to opt in, then his trade value would increase, not decrease. Guys like Blake and Millsap are getting paid a ton more and aren't much (or at all in Paul's case) better. A team like Phoenix can't afford to give up long-term assets on a rental. But having him for two years with a willingness to extend? That makes it a better deal for them.

The hate LMA continuously gets is unreal and fucking stupid. You sure as shit don't give up even more assets to prevent the idea of having LMA over $15 Million or so in cap. That's even more true with the team giving Pau a two-and-a-half year deal worth so much.

[baseline bum]

Aldridge most certainly opts in unless his agent is able to find a market for him, $22.5 million to a 33 year old LMA likely coming off three straight seasons of less than 19 ppg probably seems like the safe bet unless a team is willing to offer him a 3 year, $50+ deal.

Much rather keep Green and pair him with Irving and Leonard to minimize Irving's dumpster fire defense but it's doubtful that the Spurs can keep him in any potential trade.

My trade proposal:

Cav's Get:

Eric Bledsoe
Jared Dudley
Danny Green
Dejounte Murray

Spurs Get

Kyrie Irving
Tyson Chandler

Suns Get:

LaMarcus Aldridge
2018 Spurs 1st Round Pick
Channing Frye
Kay Felder


Move would be good for all three teams tbh:

Cavs are better equip to play against GSW by adding wing depth and Bledsoe is a much better defender than Irving and coming off a career year.

Suns lose out on Irving but they probably weren't getting him without Josh Jackson. Get rid of Bledsoe and Chandler, both of whom they were probably interested in moving plus they dump Dudley. They clear out ~$38 million in 18-19 if Aldridge were to opt out.

Spurs get the best player while also potentially salvaging next off season where they could be over the cap if LMA + Green or Gay opt in.

I'd do that trade in a second, but it's really hard to see the Suns prioritize dumping Chandler's contract over landing Irving if the Cavs cave on their demand for Jackson.

[sasaint]

A package of Aldridge, Green, Bertans & Murray for Irving wouldn't phase me one bit. Despite the game against Houston, Danny Green really didn't have a good playoff showing. He's still a GOOD defender but not good enough to put up with his offensive liabilities. He's not worthy of starting in my opinion. Murray is the biggest pile of spit in the bunch and is all talk & selfies so far. Rubbing shoulders with people who can play won't make him a champion or all-star by osmosis. -- Although he seems to think he runs in those circles. What an asswhip.

Plus LMA wants out. As much as I like Bertans' sharpshooter mentality, I fear he is a tweener and a poor man-on-man defender at either forward position.


Wish we had specifics as to what was offered by SA..

Hopefully, it will come out when the deal is done.

[sasaint]

Maybe eventually there will be but you know better...MIA only leaked because they think their package is solid (it is) but they know CLE won't deal with them so they are trying to put public pressure on CLE.

But, with the reports of CLE and SA talking trades during free agency centered around Danny/LMA we can piece most of it together.

What did Miami offer?

[Leetonidas]

Lol 87,000 post combined and you post garbage like this. From this alone, I can tell you that most of the posters here are more knowledgeable about this team than yall. Scrubs.

Sick burn scrub. Make a name for yourself before coming at a legit poster you fucking no name retard :tu

[dubross]

What did Miami offer?

Package involving Dragic and Winslow

[Chinook]

Maybe eventually there will be but you know better...MIA only leaked because they think their package is solid (it is) but they know CLE won't deal with them so they are trying to put public pressure on CLE.

But, with the reports of CLE and SA talking trades during free agency centered around Danny/LMA we can piece most of it together.

A package of Winslow and Dragic is hardly solid. Justise hasn't been a good player, and Dragic is getting paid a lot and is on the decline. If that makes Cleveland pause, then this should wrapped up pretty soon, because all 20 teams reportedly interested could give them that.

[sasaint]

Package involving Dragic and Winslow

I hope that GMBron really, really values his protégé, Dijon.

[ducks]

If they do, though, do you see that deal getting done?
the sports writer said on draft night deal was very close
but cavs want josh if they do it will be done

[ducks]

Aldridge most certainly opts in unless his agent is able to find a market for him, $22.5 million to a 33 year old LMA likely coming off three straight seasons of less than 19 ppg probably seems like the safe bet unless a team is willing to offer him a 3 year, $50+ deal.

Much rather keep Green and pair him with Irving and Leonard to minimize Irving's dumpster fire defense but it's doubtful that the Spurs can keep him in any potential trade.

My trade proposal:

Cav's Get:

Eric Bledsoe
Jared Dudley
Danny Green
Dejounte Murray

Spurs Get

Kyrie Irving
Tyson Chandler

Suns Get:

LaMarcus Aldridge
2018 Spurs 1st Round Pick
Channing Frye
Kay Felder


Move would be good for all three teams tbh:

Cavs are better equip to play against GSW by adding wing depth and Bledsoe is a much better defender than Irving and coming off a career year.

Suns lose out on Irving but they probably weren't getting him without Josh Jackson. Get rid of Bledsoe and Chandler, both of whom they were probably interested in moving plus they dump Dudley. They clear out ~$38 million in 18-19 if Aldridge were to opt out.

Spurs get the best player while also potentially salvaging next off season where they could be over the cap if LMA + Green or Gay opt in.

this trade suggested needs to be forwarded to spurs front office

[cd021]

Package involving Dragic and Winslow

Would think Adebayo would have to be involved too, for it to even be considered.

[cd021]

I'd do that trade in a second, but it's really hard to see the Suns prioritize dumping Chandler's contract over landing Irving if the Cavs cave on their demand for Jackson.

Apparently they really like Josh Jackson because most other teams if they were in a similar situation would probably realize that trading the number 4 pick in the draft for a multiyear all star is a fair ask. If Phoenix holds on their resistance to including Jackson then I don't see the reason why the Cavs would deal Kyrie to them.

[Hoops Czar]

Aldridge most certainly opts in unless his agent is able to find a market for him, $22.5 million to a 33 year old LMA likely coming off three straight seasons of less than 19 ppg probably seems like the safe bet unless a team is willing to offer him a 3 year, $50+ deal.

Much rather keep Green and pair him with Irving and Leonard to minimize Irving's dumpster fire defense but it's doubtful that the Spurs can keep him in any potential trade.

My trade proposal:

Cav's Get:

Eric Bledsoe
Jared Dudley
Danny Green
Dejounte Murray

Spurs Get

Kyrie Irving
Tyson Chandler

Suns Get:

LaMarcus Aldridge
2018 Spurs 1st Round Pick
Channing Frye
Kay Felder


Move would be good for all three teams tbh:

Cavs are better equip to play against GSW by adding wing depth and Bledsoe is a much better defender than Irving and coming off a career year.

Suns lose out on Irving but they probably weren't getting him without Josh Jackson. Get rid of Bledsoe and Chandler, both of whom they were probably interested in moving plus they dump Dudley. They clear out ~$38 million in 18-19 if Aldridge were to opt out.

Spurs get the best player while also potentially salvaging next off season where they could be over the cap if LMA + Green or Gay opt in.

That would leave Phoenix very thin at the pg position with Knight done for the season. It's debatable whether Ulis can be a full time starter and that would leave the newly acquired Kay Felder as the only available back up. Not sure why the Suns would pull the trigger on that deal.

[SAGirl]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20177155/kyrie-irving-trade-talks-show-how-much-teams-including-cleveland-cavaliers-value-him

“So far, these are among the teams who've made offers to the Cavaliers for Irving, league sources tell ESPN: The San Antonio Spurs, LA Clippers, Phoenix Suns, Minnesota Timberwolves, New York Knicks and Miami Heat. There were approximately 20 teams that inquired with Cleveland upon the news of Irving's trade request, league sources said, but far fewer have registered legitimate proposals. More loom in the shadows, and many interested simply don't have the assets to make a deal happen.”
I am glad to see at least the Spurs made a legit offer. If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen, but it wasn't bc they didn't make an offer or were not interested. :tu

[SAGirl]

Lol ST posters. :cry I bet pop and rc didn't bother to call :cry

It's one thing to call, and another to make an offer. They have been active this summer trying to trade LMA (and Danny has been rumored in "some" trades too), so I guess it wouldn't surprise... but a very often cited argument by fans here is: the Spurs are always active but you never hear about it. No, the Spurs are quiet sometimes, and have been recently (as of the trade deadline, and last summer), which is as you said taking calls or making calls is due diligence, but no real offers or effort to actually move players or get someone. Getting a rumor that actual offers are being made changes the perception of how active they really are, vs just due diligence.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Looks like Heat have not made an offer to the Cavs

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[SpursforSix]

Looks like Heat have not made an offer to the Cavs

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So the ESPN story is inaccurate. Wondering which of those listed teams actually made an offer.

[DPG21920]

A package of Winslow and Dragic is hardly solid. Justise hasn't been a good player, and Dragic is getting paid a lot and is on the decline. If that makes Cleveland pause, then this should wrapped up pretty soon, because all 20 teams reportedly interested could give them that.

It doesn't make CLE pause. It's just MIA's way of putting some pressure the only way they can.

Dragic, despite the money which is irrelevant to CLE really is a solid player. I agree Winslow isn't great but he's young enough and that is the type of deal CLE likely will get

[NASpurs]

3 months from now: "Spurs never made an offer to the Cavs" when Kyrie was traded for peanuts. Spurstalk meltdown ensues.

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[Russ]

I cannot imagine why Cleveland would trade Kyrie Irving, regardless of what he or Lebron or anyone else thinks.

It could be the opportunity of a lifetime for some team if Cleveland is foolish enough to do it.

Forget about aging and underachieving Chris Paul or any of the others, this would be huge.

[AFMadison]

Page 54!!! First!!
Almost lad

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Lol horrible offer

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[BatManu20]

Nope.

[FkLA]

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People forget Melo was amazing during Denver's WCF run. He looked like a Top 5 player that year and then was like Top 3 in MVP voting his first (or second?) year in NY. I don't think Kyrie has shown enough as a #1 to warrant the type of deal Denver got for Melo.

[dubross]

People forget Melo was amazing during Denver's WCF run. He looked like a Top 5 player that year and then was like Top 3 in MVP voting his first (or second?) year in NY. I don't think Kyrie has shown enough as a #1 to warrant the type of deal Denver got for Melo.

Melo’s trade I believe was like 13 player three 3 team trade. Nuggets got Gallinari, Chandler, Felton, Mozgov. 1st rd pick and 2 2nd picks.

You right Melo then was better than Kyrie now

[ducks]

melo wanted out but the cavs deal is public james wants to kill kyle
so you think cavs will get more then melo
lol

[Mikeanaro]

People forget Melo was amazing during Denver's WCF run. He looked like a Top 5 player that year and then was like Top 3 in MVP voting his first (or second?) year in NY. I don't think Kyrie has shown enough as a #1 to warrant the type of deal Denver got for Melo.
Sure, back then he was a good bet for the Knicks, CF in the West, funny how after that he had troubles to get a Eastern Conference spot missing playoffs almost every time, but was bigger than Kyrie nonetheless.

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[Barfunk]

Really hope the Spurs front office are at least attempting to brew something up to aquire Kyrie. But like I said, the Spurs luck to get under 30 prime superstars, whether through free agency or trade, has been pretty much nil in its entire history. We are fortunate that Kyrie has even mentioned the Spurs as a preference.

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[noles1983]

Seems like the Cavs want a kings ransom for Irving. They might be waiting a while.

[baseline bum]

Forget about aging and underachieving Chris Paul or any of the others, this would be huge.

Yeah I would have loved to have signed Paul, but I would completely gut the team to get Irving playing alongside Kawhi. Especially considering the Spurs only real prospect right now is Murray and Aldridge seems to be out the door next summer.

[marinoman]

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Wow, Spurs are actually trying, nice to hear

[baseline bum]

Seems like the Cavs want a kings ransom for Irving. They might be waiting a while.

Well yeah, Irving is a 25 year old allstar and big game player with two years left on a very reasonable contract.

[BatManu20]

Anybody here dumb enough to pay for Insider that can post the story? :toast


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[TimDunkem]

Anybody here dumb enough to pay for Insider that can post the story? :toast


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Why?

"Five best and biggest Kyrie trades WE'D LIKE TO SEE"

Who gives a fuck what the cucks at ESPN would like to see? If it were up to them, every star in the league would be in LA and NY.

[BillMc]

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Succeed or fail, I'd love to know what Spurs offered.

[tholdren]

Yeah I would have loved to have signed Paul, but I would completely gut the team to get Irving playing alongside Kawhi. Especially considering the Spurs only real prospect right now is Murray and Aldridge seems to be out the door next summer.

Take the crown dude. You are the worst idea man of all time.

[tholdren]

Succeed or fail, I'd love to know what Spurs offered.

Had to be green murray and whatever else hit the salary piece.

[sasaint]

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Clips? Half of their roster was just acquired and cannot be traded. :lol

[TheDoctor]

Wish we had specifics as to what was offered by SA..

Don't worry, Spurs' insider Jeff McDonald will come w/ something 3 days after Woj, 2 days after Shams and 1 day after MCWright :tu

[BillMc]

Clips? Half of their roster was just acquired and cannot be traded. :lol
There was a rumor they were shopping DeAndre.

[sasaint]

Why?

"Five best and biggest Kyrie trades WE'D LIKE TO SEE"

Who gives a fuck what the cucks at ESPN would like to see? If it were up to them, every star in the league would be in LA and NY.

So aggravatingly true. I wouldn't piss on 'em if they were on fire.

[sasaint]

There was a rumor they were shopping DeAndre.

I doubt Jordan excites GMBron. Plus DeAndre, Love and Thompson represents a lot of contract money tied up in the frontcourt.

[sasaint]

There was a rumor they were shopping DeAndre.

So, would you swap LMA for Jordan?

[BillMc]

So, would you swap LMA for Jordan?

If LMA were happy I'd definitely prefer him. I guess I'll have to see how disgruntled LMA plays.

[szkorhetz]

Succeed or fail, I'd love to know what Spurs offered.
Where is TSpence when we need him?

[Russ]

Succeed or fail, I'd love to know what Spurs offered.

So would a bunch of guys on the team . . .

[tonight...you]

If LMA were happy I'd definitely prefer him. I guess I'll have to see how disgruntled LMA plays.
Dude...how do you always have the BEST avi's? Akira Kurosawa is the best. Now I'm going to have to subject my wife to a marathon of Yojimbo and then 7 Samurai tonight.
I'm sure she'll love it.

[BillMc]

Where is TSpence when we need him?
:lol


So would a bunch of guys on the teaTrm . . .

Truth

[BillMc]

Dude...how do you always have the BEST avi's? Akira Kurosawa is the best. Now I'm going to have to subject my wife to a marathon of Yojimbo and then 7 Samurai tonight.
I'm sure she'll love it.
:lol

Thanks bro. Hope your wife comes around. Be sure to add Throne of Blood and Roshoman to the binge too.

[tonight...you]

:lol

Thanks bro. Hope your wife comes around. Be sure to add Throne of Blood and Roshoman to the binge too.
I have them, but those first 2 are, I think, the most accessible of the Kurosawa films for a noob. Especially Yojimbo. That film is just darn fun.

[coachmac87]

Seems like the Cavs want a kings ransom for Irving. They might be waiting a while.

This shouldn't be a shocker...what do people expect? But actually getting one is a different story

[BillMc]

I have them, but those first 2 are, I think, the most accessible of the Kurosawa films for a noob. Especially Yojimbo. That film is just darn fun.

Spot on.:toast I always convert people to Kurosawa with Yojimbo too. It's so like a western (which of course it later became as A Fist Full of Dollars). Easy for Americans to get into.

[tonight...you]

Spot on.:toast I always convert people to Kurosawa with Yojimbo too. It's so like a western (which of course it later became as A Fist Full of Dollars). Easy for Americans to get into.
And a Bruce Willis film... Can't remember the name right now though.


Edit: Last Man Standing. It was... pretty good.

[BillMc]

And a Bruce Willis film... Can't remember the name right now though.

Was it Red Harvest? Or Last Man Standing? Never saw either.

[Spurs9]

Who do you think the Spurs actually offered up for Kyrie?

[tonight...you]

Was it Red Harvest? Or Last Man Standing? Never saw either.
LMS... I edited my post.

[BillMc]

LMS... I edited my post.

Cheers.

Eating mush is better.

[sasaint]

Spot on.:toast I always convert people to Kurosawa with Yojimbo too. It's so like a western (which of course it later became as A Fist Full of Dollars). Easy for Americans to get into.

If people have seen the horrible Paul Newman film, The Outrage, Rashômon is great introduction.

[BillMc]

If people have seen the horrible Paul Newman film, The Outrage, Rashômon is great introduction.

Never saw Outrage but Rashomon is a favorite.

[TheDoctor]

Who do you think the Spurs actually offered up for Kyrie?
I think we all agree on Murray being a given. Green and LMA are the usual suspects.

[BillMc]

I think we all agree on Murray being a given. Green and LMA are the usual suspects.

Yep. Some combo of them and/or picks and even Kyle or Bertans as filler.

[TD 21]

Aldridge most certainly opts in unless his agent is able to find a market for him, $22.5 million to a 33 year old LMA likely coming off three straight seasons of less than 19 ppg probably seems like the safe bet unless a team is willing to offer him a 3 year, $50+ deal.

Much rather keep Green and pair him with Irving and Leonard to minimize Irving's dumpster fire defense but it's doubtful that the Spurs can keep him in any potential trade.

My trade proposal:

Cav's Get:

Eric Bledsoe
Jared Dudley
Danny Green
Dejounte Murray

Spurs Get

Kyrie Irving
Tyson Chandler

Suns Get:

LaMarcus Aldridge
2018 Spurs 1st Round Pick
Channing Frye
Kay Felder


Move would be good for all three teams tbh:

Cavs are better equip to play against GSW by adding wing depth and Bledsoe is a much better defender than Irving and coming off a career year.

Suns lose out on Irving but they probably weren't getting him without Josh Jackson. Get rid of Bledsoe and Chandler, both of whom they were probably interested in moving plus they dump Dudley. They clear out ~$38 million in 18-19 if Aldridge were to opt out.

Spurs get the best player while also potentially salvaging next off season where they could be over the cap if LMA + Green or Gay opt in.

Aldridge more than likely opts out, not so much to secure a raise, but to get similar money for 2-3 years. Players contracts aren't determined by antiquated counting stats, since those are mostly tied to circumstance. He's always been a volume scorer and the only reasons his volume is down, is because his minutes and usage naturally are on a superior team. He's still scoring with similar efficiency though.

Like sasaint said, Suns aren't facilitating Spurs' acquisition of Irving; not when they're expected to be in the mix themselves. Also, this would further exacerbate their long jam up front, while further diminishing their back court. With Knight expected to miss the season and the free agent market picked clean, they'd be without so much as a stopgap starting PG option.

Still, Spurs should obviously try. Best they can do . . .

To Cavaliers: Bledsoe, Dudley, Green, White

To Suns: Aldridge, Murray, Shumpert, Spurs '18 1st

To Spurs: Irving, Chandler

[TheDoctor]

Chandler could be a underrated signing. Dude avged 8pts/11rebs in 27min. He won't play that much with the Spurs but still. Nice upgrade over Dedmon nowhere near the passer as DLee tho'.

[tonight...you]

Chandler could be a underrated signing. Dude avged 8pts/11rebs in 27min. He won't play that much with the Spurs but still. Nice upgrade over Dedmon nowhere near the passer as DLee tho'.
Agreed, Manila Ice.

[TheDoctor]

Agreed, Manila Ice.
lol something like that

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[John Petrucci]

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God Cowherd can be more unbearable than Skip Bayless. The difference is you can see Skip sometimes wants to laugh at his own takes while I think Cowherd takes himself very seriously.

[TheDoctor]

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That was an answer to this:

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[spurs10]

Spot on.:toast I always convert people to Kurosawa with Yojimbo too. It's so like a western (which of course it later became as A Fist Full of Dollars). Easy for Americans to get into.

Yes great cinema! I realize having an original idea is getting more foreign by the minute (pun intened), but "if you're going to steal..steal from the best." Stravinsky

[dubross]

https://twitter.com/ba_turner/status/891070305887633408

Clippers did their due diligence and found out what the cavs wanted. We have veteran starters they can have, hahah and a rookie murray also but it’s not enough.

[Chillen]

https://twitter.com/ba_turner/status/891070305887633408

Clippers did their due diligence and found out what the cavs wanted. We have veteran starters they can have, hahah and a rookie murray also but it’s not enough.

The more I think about it LMA is perfect for the Cavs. He is a big man that likes to shoot and LeBron can find him and get him his shot. It worked for the Spurs till Leonard got ZaZaed. They can than see what they can get for Thompson and have a core of James, Aldridge, Love, Rose. Good enough to get to the Finals in the East.

[BatManu20]

Aldridge + Murray + 2018 & 2019 1st-Round Picks. We keep our core together and swap LMA for Kyrie.

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[RD2191]

Aldridge + Murray + 2018 & 2019 1st-Round Picks. We keep our core together and swap LMA for Kyrie.

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IDK if swapping LMA for Kyrie moves the needle against golden state TBH. LMA is a pussy and all but he's still solid on the defensive end. The only way I'd move LMA for Kyrie is if it's for certain that LMA wants out of SA.

[BatManu20]

IDK if swapping LMA for Kyrie moves the needle against golden state TBH. LMA is a pussy and all but he's still solid on the defensive end. The only way I'd move LMA for Kyrie is if it's for certain that LMA wants out of SA.

I doubt the Spurs would trade two 1st-Round Picks anyways, but if that's what it takes, then I'd make it happen. LMA may very well be gone next summer and I'd hate to lose him for nothing. In a perfect world, the Spurs would acquire Kyrie and retain LMA and that'd be awesome bc I think LMA would be a great 3rd option, but you gotta give to get, and if we want Kyrie, then Aldridge has to go.

Here's what I do know: LMA chokes on a fat one every time we play GS (minus Game 1 last year). Draymond lives rent-Free in his head. Kyrie, on the other hand, is a bonafide Warriors-killer who gives them more fits than any PG in the league. Warrior fans will be happy if he's gone. If we have a chance to make this deal (or one similar) happen, you have to pull the trigger imo. Kawhi + Kyrie moving forward puts us in contention for the next 5+ years.

[coachmac87]

Aldridge + Murray + 2018 & 2019 1st-Round Picks. We keep our core together and swap LMA for Kyrie.

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If you're Cavs why do you take on LMA if you already have Love and Thompson?

[NASpurs]

IDK if swapping LMA for Kyrie moves the needle against golden state TBH. LMA is a pussy and all but he's still solid on the defensive end. The only way I'd move LMA for Kyrie is if it's for certain that LMA wants out of SA.

It won't move the needle this year but you would build around 25 year old Kyrie + 26 year old Kawhi with the future in mind.

[Hoops Czar]

Aldridge + Murray + 2018 & 2019 1st-Round Picks. We keep our core together and swap LMA for Kyrie.

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Normally two first round picks would be kinda steep but since the Spurs only draft useless bench fodders with little to no upside or are on the five year plan, they can afford to give them up. Some other team can certainly make better use of them than the Spurs.

[BatManu20]

Normally two first round picks would be kinda steep but since the Spurs only draft useless bench fodders with little to no upside or are on the five year plan, they can afford to give them up. Some other team can certainly make better use of them than the Spurs.

Normally I'd agree too. But this is Kyrie Irving we're talking about, and our next 2 draft picks are likely going to be future bench role players at best and potentially Euro-stashes that we never even see play in a Spurs uniform. If that's what it takes to make this trade happen, you pull the trigger.

Besides, Spurs are the best team at turning other team's trash into our treasure. I'm confident we could find Free Agents and castaways from other teams and the G-League that will contribute off the bench for us to help alleviate any lost draft picks if it were to happen.

[bklynspursfan]

I doubt the Spurs would trade two 1st-Round Picks anyways, but if that's what it takes, then I'd make it happen. LMA may very well be gone next summer and I'd hate to lose him for nothing. In a perfect world, the Spurs would acquire Kyrie and retain LMA and that'd be awesome bc I think LMA would be a great 3rd option, but you gotta give to get, and if we want Kyrie, then Aldridge has to go.

Here's what I do know: LMA chokes on a fat one every time we play GS (minus Game 1 last year). Draymond lives rent-Free in his head. Kyrie, on the other hand, is a bonafide Warriors-killer who gives them more fits than any PG in the league. Warrior fans will be happy if he's gone. If we have a chance to make this deal (or one similar) happen, you have to pull the trigger imo. Kawhi + Kyrie moving forward puts us in contention for the next 5+ years.

Game 1 of the reg season and game 1 of the playoffs he was great . He had what like 18/5 at half time? Once Kawhi went out, he just wasn't the same.

It's a shame, but he's shown he's capable at least.

[kaji157]

What about Danny, Murray, Kyle + 1st.
Would that be enough?
Veteran starter + 3 first round picks ;)

[noles1983]

What about Danny, Murray, Kyle + 1st.
Would that be enough?
Veteran starter + 3 first round picks ;)

Pretty sure Irving makes several million more than those 3 combined.

[sasaint]

I think we all agree on Murray being a given. Green and LMA are the usual suspects.

Any deal would have to include LMA for salaries to work out.

[sasaint]

Never saw Outrage but Rashomon is a favorite.

Paul Newman as a bandido in The Outrage makes Chuck Heston seem like an authentic Mexican in Touch of Evil.

[kaji157]

Pretty sure Irving makes several million more than those 3 combined.

He makes just 2 more millions.

Anyways i was talking about if they'd consider that as a package.

Cleveland has a few horrid contacts that we could take with Tony, but i doubt the Fo is trying to improve considering Gasol and mills contracts.

[Baam]

If the Cavs want a ship next year Green and Aldridge is basically an unbeatable offer.

[coachmac87]

Any deal would have to include LMA for salaries to work out.

But why would they take LMA?

[coachmac87]

Parker
Green
Murray
2018 1st
2019 1st?

Irving
Shumpart

[marinoman]

Parker
Green
Murray
2018 1st
2019 1st?

Irving
Shumpart
parker is a made man, no matter how he is or plays he'll never be traded

[cd021]

Parker
Green
Murray
2018 1st
2019 1st?

Irving
Shumpart

can't trade consecutive 1st round picks and Spurs aren't moving Parker.

[cd021]

But why would they take LMA?

It would probably need to be a 3 team deal with LMA going elsewhere.

[CGD]

Spurs should be the third team in a melo-Irving swap. We can send Danny (to help CAVS make up differences in salary) and maybe even Murray to sweeten pot, but id want some young pieces coming back like two of Nikitna (French rook), Cedi Osman, or Hernangomez.

[sasaint]

But why would they take LMA?

I don't think they would have any interest in LMA, which is why most scenarios offered up here on ST include a third party. I was just saying that in any trade LMA would have to be involved for salaries to work.

Frankly, I think the best the Spurs might be able to do is insinuate themselves in a Kyrie trade as the third party facilitator.

[coachmac87]

can't trade consecutive 1st round picks and Spurs aren't moving Parker.

Yeah wasn't sure..I know they "won't" but if it means getting Kyrie maybe things change..

I know this trade isn't the best value for Cavs but it does give them flexibility in case Bron bolts...but I think Cavs would consider this before taking on LMA while paying Love and Thompson...Cavs seem pretty sour on Shumpart and even though the value coming in isn't the best maybe dumping Shump can help that for them lol


LMA would work in 3 team but I dunno who'd take on him and give the SPURS that asset to trade for Kyrie??

[RLT]

Sick burn scrub. Make a name for yourself before coming at a legit poster you fucking no name retard :tu

Classy.

I've been around a long time and I'm finally getting tired of reading a lot of this. It's really embarrassing sometimes to be a Spurs fan because of what is said on here. You can have a million post, that doesn't make you a Spurs expert. From a long time Spurs fan, please stop posting nonsense. This goes out to everyone, you never know who comes here to read this forum.

Saying Pop and RC probably didn't even call is nonsense and a waste of space. Add another tick to that post count. I just ask that you don't make us Spurs fans look like idiots when some of us actually know what's going on with this team.

tbh.......

[Leetonidas]

:sleep hot take

[RD2191]

Classy.

I've been around a long time and I'm finally getting tired of reading a lot of this. It's really embarrassing sometimes to be a Spurs fan because of what is said on here. You can have a million post, that doesn't make you a Spurs expert. From a long time Spurs fan, please stop posting nonsense. This goes out to everyone, you never know who comes here to read this forum.

Saying Pop and RC probably didn't even call is nonsense and a waste of space. Add another tick to that post count. I just ask that you don't make us Spurs fans look like idiots when some of us actually know what's going on with this team.

tbh.......

Well what's going on? Let us know TBH

[sananspursfan21]

Pretty sure Irving makes several million more than those 3 combined.

Eliminate the "pretty sure" with Google! :)

[noob cake]

Just mortgage the house for Irving. He is the perfect 1B player to Kawhi.

Kiwi and Irving are about the same age, so they have the same contention window. Spurs first round picks are gonna be 26-30 every year no matter what so picks don't even matter. Role players can be replaced fairly easily.

Kiwi is not a explosive volume scorer. Irving is such a player. You can hide Irving a bit behind Kawhi on defense.

[UZER]

Classy.

I've been around a long time and I'm finally getting tired of reading a lot of this. It's really embarrassing sometimes to be a Spurs fan because of what is said on here. You can have a million post, that doesn't make you a Spurs expert. From a long time Spurs fan, please stop posting nonsense. This goes out to everyone, you never know who comes here to read this forum.

Saying Pop and RC probably didn't even call is nonsense and a waste of space. Add another tick to that post count. I just ask that you don't make us Spurs fans look like idiots when some of us actually know what's going on with this team.

tbh.......

You care too much. It's just basketball.

:pop:

[sasaint]

Classy.

I've been around a long time and I'm finally getting tired of reading a lot of this. It's really embarrassing sometimes to be a Spurs fan because of what is said on here. You can have a million post, that doesn't make you a Spurs expert. From a long time Spurs fan, please stop posting nonsense. This goes out to everyone, you never know who comes here to read this forum.

Saying Pop and RC probably didn't even call is nonsense and a waste of space. Add another tick to that post count. I just ask that you don't make us Spurs fans look like idiots when some of us actually know what's going on with this team.

tbh.......

You got my attention. Please enlighten me. I have no idea what is going on with this team since the end of last season.

[Jdspur20]

You got my attention. Please enlighten me. I have no idea what is going on with this team since the end of last season.

:lol

[poop]

Almost lad

:lol

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Does CIA Pop know something we don't? Or is he just being a chummy bastard? We need answers!

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[hater]

Lol kyli aint getting traded espn trying to sell magazines

[tbdog]

Any deal would have to include LMA for salaries to work out.

Not true. Green, kyle Forbes, Murray is about enough. But cavs run out roster spots. Could throw in an ungaranteed contract too. But I doubt cavs bite without LMA. And I doubt spurs bite without getting a big in return. And thompson is way overpriced.

I linked in a trade proposal where cavs get Conley and Spurs get Gasol and Irving. The grizzlies get butchered but only eat 1 year deals.

[TimDunkem]

Not true. Green, kyle Forbes, Murray is about enough. But cavs run out roster spots. Could throw in an ungaranteed contract too. But I doubt cavs bite without LMA. And I doubt spurs bite without getting a big in return. And thompson is way overpriced.

I linked in a trade proposal where cavs get Conley and Spurs get Gasol and Irving. The grizzlies get butchered but only eat 1 year deals.
You'd need a third team since Cleveland doesn't want scraps, and you'd have to get rid of LMA's contract instead (let's face it - Kyle and Forbes are trash). It would work if the Spurs would part with Porker, but we all know that shit isn't happening.

[RLT]

You got my attention. Please enlighten me. I have no idea what is going on with this team since the end of last season.
You're actually one of the good posters. I definitely should have worded that differently. Obviously nobody knows what's truly going on. Some of the things that are said on this site is just so off base. Following this team for so long you just get a sense of what they're thinking. Others are just not getting it, spoiled or just trolls. I can't recall if you've done this, but I have zero tolerance for those that hate on Parker when he's done so much for this team.... Porker...really? Have some respect.

With that being said, most of the good takes have already been laid out on this thread. We're not getting Kyrie unless LMA and a third team is involved. The Suns are not going to give up Bledsoe and leave themselves without a pg (especially with BK going down) so we can get Kyrie. Him wanting to be a focal point shouldn't worry anyone. Pop and Kawhi would love for him to be here, bring the ball up the court every time and run the offense. He gets all the attention he wants while Kawhi sits back and becomes the 2nd best player in Spurs history. It's perfect for all parties. LBJ doesn't give the respect KI deserves on the court. Kawhi on the other hand wouldn't treat him like a son or little brother. The front office knows this and knows that's all KI wants. I think personally he has gotten over himself and it's more about the personal relationship between him and LBJ.

Also, I can't help but think that Gilbert wouldn't trade him here seeing as it would be a great possibility that we would meet in the finals and make them look like fools. Oh how great that would be. It would definitely be the best rated finals in history after all this drama. Has that even been mentioned?

[RLT]

Still, Spurs should obviously try. Best they can do . . .

To Cavaliers: Bledsoe, Dudley, Green, White

To Suns: Aldridge, Murray, Shumpert, Spurs '18 1st

To Spurs: Irving, Chandler

Cavs aren't doing anything without getting a pick. I think just moving the Spurs pick to the Cavs would work for everyone. This would be a great trade.

[spurs10]

You're actually one of the good posters. I definitely should have worded that differently. Obviously nobody knows what's truly going on. Some of the things that are said on this site is just so off base. Following this team for so long you just get a sense of what they're thinking. Others are just not getting it, spoiled or just trolls. I can't recall if you've done this, but I have zero tolerance for those that hate on Parker when he's done so much for this team.... Porker...really? Have some respect.

With that being said, most of the good takes have already been laid out on this thread. We're not getting Kyrie unless LMA and a third team is involved. The Suns are not going to give up Bledsoe and leave themselves without a pg (especially with BK going down) so we can get Kyrie. Him wanting to be a focal point shouldn't worry anyone. Pop and Kawhi would love for him to be here, bring the ball up the court every time and run the offense. He gets all the attention he wants while Kawhi sits back and becomes the 2nd best player in Spurs history. It's perfect for all parties. LBJ doesn't give the respect KI deserves on the court. Kawhi on the other hand wouldn't treat him like a son or little brother. The front office knows this and knows that's all KI wants. I think personally he has gotten over himself and it's more about the personal relationship between him and LBJ.

Also, I can't help but think that Gilbert wouldn't trade him here seeing as it would be a great possibility that we would meet in the finals and make them look like fools. Oh how great that would be. It would definitely be the best rated finals in history after all this drama. Has that even been mentioned?
I don't know if it has been mentioned, but Gilbert might very well be concerned about Kyrie challenging him in the Finals if he joins Los Spurs. If Bledsoe goes to the Cavs the Suns will need a point guard which is why they might not be crazy about a three way deal with us. It's a shame Kyrie isn't able to go where he pleases. If Kyrie and Kawhi want to play together it could happen, if not this upcoming season then eventually.

[sasaint]

You're actually one of the good posters. I definitely should have worded that differently. Obviously nobody knows what's truly going on. Some of the things that are said on this site is just so off base. Following this team for so long you just get a sense of what they're thinking. Others are just not getting it, spoiled or just trolls. I can't recall if you've done this, but I have zero tolerance for those that hate on Parker when he's done so much for this team.... Porker...really? Have some respect.

With that being said, most of the good takes have already been laid out on this thread. We're not getting Kyrie unless LMA and a third team is involved. The Suns are not going to give up Bledsoe and leave themselves without a pg (especially with BK going down) so we can get Kyrie. Him wanting to be a focal point shouldn't worry anyone. Pop and Kawhi would love for him to be here, bring the ball up the court every time and run the offense. He gets all the attention he wants while Kawhi sits back and becomes the 2nd best player in Spurs history. It's perfect for all parties. LBJ doesn't give the respect KI deserves on the court. Kawhi on the other hand wouldn't treat him like a son or little brother. The front office knows this and knows that's all KI wants. I think personally he has gotten over himself and it's more about the personal relationship between him and LBJ.

Also, I can't help but think that Gilbert wouldn't trade him here seeing as it would be a great possibility that we would meet in the finals and make them look like fools. Oh how great that would be. It would definitely be the best rated finals in history after all this drama. Has that even been mentioned?

Thank you. I agree with most everything you said, and I have posted consistent comments in this thread regarding potential trades and salaries. Your take on the compatibility of Kawhi and Kyrie as teammates is interesting. In fact, I posted somewhere that I would love to see Kawhi playing more off the ball with a player such as Kyrie as the primary ball handler/playmaker and possibly even scorer.

Btw, I am apparently on more intimate terms with our injured PG than you. I always refer to him as "Tony." :lol

[BillMc]

Paul Newman as a bandido in The Outrage makes Chuck Heston seem like an authentic Mexican in Touch of Evil.
:lol

[tholdren]

This asshole wants to play in ny.... close thread

[coachmac87]

This asshole wants to play in ny.... close thread

So did he change his mind when the first report came out saying Spurs were preferred??

[spurs10]

Paul Newman as a bandido in The Outrage makes Chuck Heston seem like an authentic Mexican in Touch of Evil. Haha...love this Touch of Evil reference! Yes Heston was a stretch....still a killer Wells film.

[BillMc]

Haha...love this Touch of Evil reference! Yes Heston was a stretch....still a killer Wells film.

Touch of Evil! :toast Love that opening extended shot.

[Ice009]

Not true. Green, kyle Forbes, Murray is about enough. But cavs run out roster spots. Could throw in an ungaranteed contract too. But I doubt cavs bite without LMA. And I doubt spurs bite without getting a big in return. And thompson is way overpriced.

I linked in a trade proposal where cavs get Conley and Spurs get Gasol and Irving. The grizzlies get butchered but only eat 1 year deals.

wow, sign me up for that one.

[SpurPadre]

This asshole wants to play in ny.... close thread

[BillMc]

Not true. Green, kyle Forbes, Murray is about enough. But cavs run out roster spots. Could throw in an ungaranteed contract too. But I doubt cavs bite without LMA. And I doubt spurs bite without getting a big in return. And thompson is way overpriced.

I linked in a trade proposal where cavs get Conley and Spurs get Gasol and Irving. The grizzlies get butchered but only eat 1 year deals.

So, if that big were Love instead, would you be good with that?

[TheGreatYacht]

Some Asian nobody that was on First Take that has never gotten any scoops made that "Kyrie wants to go to NY" rumor :lol He's a Knicks fan. His name is Pablo Torre

Leave it to shitty poster tholdren (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=29395) to believe it.

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[Poolboy5623]

If the Clippers don't have the assets to pull off the deal, how do the Spurs?

[Kindergarten Cop]

If the Clippers don't have the assets to pull off the deal, how do the Spurs?

The earliest first round pick that the Clippers could offer would be 2021 - which takes them out for all intents and purposes. They also lack "young players on rookie contracts" (at least at a position of need) that Cleveland is seeking.

The Spurs, while you can argue if it's technically enough to get it done, have all three things on the Cavs' list of demands.

[tholdren]

So did he change his mind when the first report came out saying Spurs were preferred??

He probably said that to save face and look professional after he cried like a girl to be traded.

[Poolboy5623]

The earliest first round pick that the Clippers could offer would be 2021 - which takes them out for all intents and purposes. They also lack "young players on rookie contracts" (at least at a position of need) that Cleveland is seeking.

The Spurs, while you can argue if it's technically enough to get it done, have all three things on the Cavs' list of demands.

The Cavs want their kings ransom and you think the Spurs have it? Good lord..

[Ron Swanson]

They may want a king's ransom, but so far nobody is offering it. If they want to trade him, they may need to adjust their trade demands.

[coachmac87]

He probably said that to save face and look professional after he cried like a girl to be traded.

Oh. Or he could've genuinely meant it....

The media wants Kyrie to Knicks....

But unless Melo wants to waive his clause...0% chance he goes to Knicks

[coachmac87]

The Cavs want their kings ransom and you think the Spurs have it? Good lord..

That's not what he said....read again

[Poolboy5623]

That's not what he said....read again

I read it. I really don't think a first round pick, around 28 or 29 is high on the Cavs list...nor do I think any of the Spurs players are. Green and Aldridge have been on the trade block awhile now, with no bites, and all of a sudden they're going to bring Kyrie Irving?! Pass me some of that..

[sasaint]

Haha...love this Touch of Evil reference! Yes Heston was a stretch....still a killer Wells film.

A Touch of Surrealism might have been a better name. I am a huge Wells fan, and this film stands out for its bizarreness like The Third Man on steroids. Dennis Weaver makes Anrhony Perkins in Psycho seem like Mr. Rogers in his neighborhood.

[sasaint]

They may want a king's ransom, but so far nobody is offering it. If they want to trade him, they may need to adjust their trade demands.

Or just live with a disgruntled player until the trade deadline when things get a little more serious after the real contenders have identified themselves - like the Spurs with LMA, perhaps.

[Kindergarten Cop]

The earliest first round pick that the Clippers could offer would be 2021 - which takes them out for all intents and purposes. They also lack "young players on rookie contracts" (at least at a position of need) that Cleveland is seeking.

The Spurs, while you can argue if it's technically enough to get it done, have all three things on the Cavs' list of demands.

Apparently you missed this ... or simply chose to ignore it.


The Cavs want their kings ransom and you think the Spurs have it? Good lord..

The Clippers' beat writer stated himself that the Clippers did not have the assets in the parameters of the Cavs trade requests. Those being (a) a veteran starter, (b) young player on rookie contract, and (c) draft picks. I noted in my original post answering your question why the Clippers were basically ruled out (not just my take, but according to the beat writer from the Clippers). I stated that the Spurs actually have (and likely offered) all three of the things that the Cavs are looking for. Will it be enough to get it done? I don't know and neither do you. All three of the recent trades for All-Star caliber players have brought back extremely meager returns - so until this actually gets done, it's just speculation for everyone.


I read it. I really don't think a first round pick, around 28 or 29 is high on the Cavs list...nor do I think any of the Spurs players are. Green and Aldridge have been on the trade block awhile now, with no bites, and all of a sudden they're going to bring Kyrie Irving?! Pass me some of that..

Again, you I don't think you DID read it. You, nor I, have no idea whatsoever if there have been "bites" for Green or Aldridge. Until a trade goes down (with whichever team) or reports leak out, nobody will know.

[coachmac87]

I read it. I really don't think a first round pick, around 28 or 29 is high on the Cavs list...nor do I think any of the Spurs players are. Green and Aldridge have been on the trade block awhile now, with no bites, and all of a sudden they're going to bring Kyrie Irving?! Pass me some of that..

Ok but he never said the assets were good enough..all he said was the Spurs have the type of assets they want. Veteran player, prospect, and draft pick..

And LMA isn't getting traded to Cavs..makes no sense for them

[sasaint]

So, if that big were Love instead, would you be good with that?

Green, Kyle, Forbes, Murray AND LMA would work for Kyrie and either Thompson or Love. I don't know which I might go for - Love, maybe?

[Ron Swanson]

Or just live with a disgruntled player until the trade deadline when things get a little more serious after the real contenders have identified themselves - like the Spurs with LMA, perhaps.

True. It's also the more likely scenario if they are going to hold firm to what they want for him.

[look_at_g_shred]

If the Spurs didn't have the assets to get a trade done, wouldn't it have already come out as the way it has for the Clippers?

[sasaint]

Ok but he never said the assets were good enough..all he said was the Spurs have the type of assets they want. Veteran player, prospect, and draft pick..

And LMA isn't getting traded to Cavs..makes no sense for them

LMA to the Cavs would make sense IF they were sending a big to the Spurs in return. Say... LMA, Danny, Kyle, Dijon and a pick for Kyrie and TThompson. (Trade works with HWNSNBM thrown in, too, btw.)

[coachmac87]

LMA to the Cavs would make sense IF they were sending a big to the Spurs in return. Say... LMA, Danny, Kyle, Dijon and a pick for Kyrie and TThompson. (Trade works with HWNSNBM thrown in, too, btw.)

I mean it'll work salary wise...but LMA/Love front court is SUPER soft and I dunno if that makes the Cavs better..

[Chinook]

After Pau's deal I really don't want to trade Aldridge for Irving. The only way that would've made sense was because the Spurs could have gone after Cousins next summer to make a Big Three. They really can't now, so they have to get their best "Big Three" out of guys they already have on the roster. Losing LMA and Green and running Kyrie/White/Kawhi/Gay/Gasol-Chandler would be a downgrade as would squeezing Kyle in there to push Kawhi to the two. Irving is only a slightly above-average player with how bad his D is. He's not good enough on offense for the Spurs to beat GS at their own game. People talk about Kawhi being able to focus on D, but the Spurs would need his points just as much as they do now with Green and Aldridge gone and Parker hurt. He's not going to do enough to make up for losing three of the top four defenders on the team.

[DesignatedT]

If you can get Kyrie, you get him. Aldridge isn't even happy here. Throw in whoever else not named Kawhi. The Spurs would have a hard time fielding a true contender next year (staying pat isn't a true contender either), but Kawhi and Kyrie at 25 years of age is a hell of a foundation to build around going forward. The Spurs will be able to attract and address the big issue through trades, free agency, waivers, etc. if they are smart about it. Bring back Diaw to fill in next year for one.

I wish Aldridge would have worked out better but wanting to keep him over Kyrie is laughable.

[noles1983]

After Pau's deal I really don't want to trade Aldridge for Irving. The only way that would've made sense was because the Spurs could have gone after Cousins next summer to make a Big Three. They really can't now, so they have to get their best "Big Three" out of guys they already have on the roster. Losing LMA and Green and running Kyrie/White/Kawhi/Gay/Gasol-Chandler would be a downgrade as would squeezing Kyle in there to push Kawhi to the two. Irving is only a slightly above-average player with how bad his D is. He's not good enough on offense for the Spurs to beat GS at their own game. People talk about Kawhi being able to focus on D, but the Spurs would need his points just as much as they do now with Green and Aldridge gone and Parker hurt. He's not going to do enough to make up for losing three of the top four defenders on the team.

Slightly above average:lol

If Irving is average what does that make parker and mills?

[dubross]

If you can get Kyrie, you get him. Aldridge isn't even happy here. Throw in whoever else not named Kawhi. The Spurs would have a hard time fielding a true contender next year (staying pat isn't a true contender either), but Kawhi and Kyrie at 25 years of age is a hell of a foundation to build around going forward. The Spurs will be able to attract and address the big issue through trades, free agency, waivers, etc. if they are smart about it. Bring back Diaw to fill in next year for one.


I wish Aldridge would have worked out better but wanting to keep him over Kyrie is laughable.

I agree. You get Kyrie by any means and yo have two young stars to build around going forward. Getting Kyrie is contend now and definitely win later move.

[TheGreatYacht]

Chinook wouldn't trade for Lebron if it meant getting rid of Green. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Chinook wouldn't trade for Lebron if it meant getting rid of Green. :lol

[sasaint]

I mean it'll work salary wise...but LMA/Love front court is SUPER soft and I dunno if that makes the Cavs better..

LMA is a paradox. He is a soft offensive player who has become an above average defensive player during his Spurs tenure.

[coachmac87]

LMA is a paradox. He is a soft offensive player who has become an above average defensive player during his Spurs tenure.

But he's still not a center and neither is Love...

Cavs need Thompson because he play his game and be effective without need the ball..

TD21 has stated the best trade regarding Spurs but that also includes a third team which can get tricky..especially when Suns would be giving up the asset and not getting Kyrie lol..


But if Spurs want to strictly deal with Cavs they'd have to include Parker and Green plus probably take on Shump

[coachmac87]

After Pau's deal I really don't want to trade Aldridge for Irving. The only way that would've made sense was because the Spurs could have gone after Cousins next summer to make a Big Three. They really can't now, so they have to get their best "Big Three" out of guys they already have on the roster. Losing LMA and Green and running Kyrie/White/Kawhi/Gay/Gasol-Chandler would be a downgrade as would squeezing Kyle in there to push Kawhi to the two. Irving is only a slightly above-average player with how bad his D is. He's not good enough on offense for the Spurs to beat GS at their own game. People talk about Kawhi being able to focus on D, but the Spurs would need his points just as much as they do now with Green and Aldridge gone and Parker hurt. He's not going to do enough to make up for losing three of the top four defenders on the team.

Even though it probably isn't the best deal but if you're the Cavs..

You take Green,Parker, Murray +1st?

That's the best deal possible from Spurs perspective but obviously that doesn't matter too much

[sasaint]

But he's still not a center and neither is Love...

Cavs need Thompson because he play his game and be effective without need the ball..

TD21 has stated the best trade regarding Spurs but that also includes a third team which can get tricky..especially when Suns would be giving up the asset and not getting Kyrie lol..


But if Spurs want to strictly deal with Cavs they'd have to include Parker and Green plus probably take on Shump

LMA plays plenty of time at the 5 with the Spurs. In the modern NBA that will only increase wherever he plays. He is a good rim protector.

[BatManu20]

Tbh.


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[BatManu20]

Twolves out then?


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[BatManu20]

Lmao

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[noles1983]

Twolves out then?


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Certainly seems so if that happens.

[tholdren]

If you can get Kyrie, you get him. Aldridge isn't even happy here. Throw in whoever else not named Kawhi. The Spurs would have a hard time fielding a true contender next year (staying pat isn't a true contender either), but Kawhi and Kyrie at 25 years of age is a hell of a foundation to build around going forward. The Spurs will be able to attract and address the big issue through trades, free agency, waivers, etc. if they are smart about it. Bring back Diaw to fill in next year for one.

I wish Aldridge would have worked out better but wanting to keep him over Kyrie is laughable.

Lol terrible idea

[spurs10]

Touch of Evil! :toast Love that opening extended shot.
Yeah that shot is the greatest! Orson Wells was an innovator and maker of cinema history.

[noles1983]

Lol terrible idea

Well shit, that convinced me not to like his idea.

[Mr. Body]

After Pau's deal I really don't want to trade Aldridge for Irving. The only way that would've made sense was because the Spurs could have gone after Cousins next summer to make a Big Three. They really can't now, so they have to get their best "Big Three" out of guys they already have on the roster. Losing LMA and Green and running Kyrie/White/Kawhi/Gay/Gasol-Chandler would be a downgrade as would squeezing Kyle in there to push Kawhi to the two. Irving is only a slightly above-average player with how bad his D is. He's not good enough on offense for the Spurs to beat GS at their own game. People talk about Kawhi being able to focus on D, but the Spurs would need his points just as much as they do now with Green and Aldridge gone and Parker hurt. He's not going to do enough to make up for losing three of the top four defenders on the team.

It makes me laugh when people think Cousins is a player a good franchise would ever want.

[SAGirl]

After Pau's deal I really don't want to trade Aldridge for Irving. The only way that would've made sense was because the Spurs could have gone after Cousins next summer to make a Big Three. They really can't now, so they have to get their best "Big Three" out of guys they already have on the roster. Losing LMA and Green and running Kyrie/White/Kawhi/Gay/Gasol-Chandler would be a downgrade as would squeezing Kyle in there to push Kawhi to the two. Irving is only a slightly above-average player with how bad his D is. He's not good enough on offense for the Spurs to beat GS at their own game. People talk about Kawhi being able to focus on D, but the Spurs would need his points just as much as they do now with Green and Aldridge gone and Parker hurt. He's not going to do enough to make up for losing three of the top four defenders on the team.
Frankly I want Kyrie but after what the Spurs did signing Mills and Pau, these trades don't make sense. For example why have Mills at 12 million per yr when the Spurs would acquire an all star PG and Mills and Kyrie are both so bad on defense that they can't play together. It's one of the main reasons I didn't like the Mills overpayment 4 yr contract.
Then you'd trade instead guys at positions of greater need and left with an undersized team.... probably made worse in its unbalance if Danny and Kyle are sent out which would be the best wing defenders outside of Kawhi and possibly losing Murray too, who IMO projects to be impactful defensively at least b4 he rounds out the rest of his game. I just don't like the team that would be left and don't think they would be better.

I tend to think the Spurs offer is more modest than offers thrown around here... but they do need a guard scorer, s we shall sed what happens. Cleveland is holding out for better offers.

[cd021]

Aldridge more than likely opts out, not so much to secure a raise, but to get similar money for 2-3 years. Players contracts aren't determined by antiquated counting stats, since those are mostly tied to circumstance. He's always been a volume scorer and the only reasons his volume is down, is because his minutes and usage naturally are on a superior team. He's still scoring with similar efficiency though.

Like sasaint said, Suns aren't facilitating Spurs' acquisition of Irving; not when they're expected to be in the mix themselves. Also, this would further exacerbate their long jam up front, while further diminishing their back court. With Knight expected to miss the season and the free agent market picked clean, they'd be without so much as a stopgap starting PG option.

Still, Spurs should obviously try. Best they can do . . .

To Cavaliers: Bledsoe, Dudley, Green, White

To Suns: Aldridge, Murray, Shumpert, Spurs '18 1st

To Spurs: Irving, Chandler

Phoenix could make a good offer without including Josh Jackson or Booker, neither of whom they want to move, but I imagine that it would need to be something like this:

Suns Get:

Kyrie Irving
Iman Shumpert


Cavs Get:

Eric Bledsoe
Jared Dudley
2018 Suns 1st Round Pick (probably in the range of 8-14)

The Suns may even be asked to throw in 2018 Miami 1st Round Pick (probably around 20) I am not sure the Suns are willing to pay that price, though I would. If they aren't, then serving as a third team may be an idea that they are receptive to.

As for the three team hypothetical that I had; swapping the destinations of Murray and the 2018 1st rounder between Cleveland and Phoenix may better suit both teams and is doable but it hinges on how Phoenix view Murray, of course. The Cavs getting a second 2018 1st rounder, in addition to getting significantly better defensively, plus Bledsoe isn't a massive drop off from Irving.

If you sub out Frye and and insert Shumpert your deal still works in trade machine minus Derrick White (who can't be included because he is less than 30 days after he signed). but I chose Frye in my hypothetical deal because his contract is an expiring and still fairly cheap, and could be flipped later. Shumperts deal is worse, and longer, but they may still be willing to take him but that may be doubtful.

[spurs10]

A Touch of Surrealism might have been a better name. I am a huge Wells fan, and this film stands out for its bizarreness like The Third Man on steroids. Dennis Weaver makes Anrhony Perkins in Psycho seem like Mr. Rogers in his neighborhood. :lol Exactly! Sorry folks I'm catching up on yesterday's post that went cinematic for a while.

Not sure who posted about what a long-shot it would be to be in three way trade with the Suns where they give up the best asset for us to get Kyrie, but that's right. We would need to sweeten the pot quite a bit. TD21 had the best proposal I've seen and we should be trying what we can. Kyrie and Kawhi being the same age goes a long way in making it something to strive for.

[cd021]

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Kyrie Irving

(Past three seasons in Cleveland with Lebron and Love)

Offensive Rtg: 114
Defensive Rtg: 108.6
P.E.R. : 21.4
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Net Rtg: +5.4 in 34.3 minutes per game



Kawhi Leonard
(Past three seasons)
Offensive Rtg: 118.3
Defensive Rtg: 98
P.E.R. : 25.2
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Net Rtg: +20.3 in 32.6 minutes per game

[SPURt]

Lmao

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Thank you for making a deposit in my spank bank. Would you like a receipt?

[Chris]

^ They did it. They got Lebron to dress up as a woman on television. Chapelle was right.

[TD 21]

Cavs aren't doing anything without getting a pick. I think just moving the Spurs pick to the Cavs would work for everyone. This would be a great trade.

Unless they can get a piece like Wiggins, I think they would do this . . .

- Maintains vice grip on East, while still having useful pieces/assets if James leaves
- Adds 2 of his buddies
- Slightly lowers offensive ceiling, but upgrades defense and increases versatility
- Rids them of Shumpert's contract, which has been a priority for a while
- Right now, White is equivalent value to Spurs' '18 1st

No matter what machination you come up with, it's not great for Suns though.



Phoenix could make a good offer without including Josh Jackson or Booker, neither of whom they want to move, but I imagine that it would need to be something like this:

Suns Get:

Kyrie Irving
Iman Shumpert


Cavs Get:

Eric Bledsoe
Jared Dudley
2018 Suns 1st Round Pick (probably in the range of 8-14)

The Suns may even be asked to throw in 2018 Miami 1st Round Pick (probably around 20) I am not sure the Suns are willing to pay that price, though I would. If they aren't, then serving as a third team may be an idea that they are receptive to.

As for the three team hypothetical that I had; swapping the destinations of Murray and the 2018 1st rounder between Cleveland and Phoenix may better suit both teams and is doable but it hinges on how Phoenix view Murray, of course. The Cavs getting a second 2018 1st rounder, in addition to getting significantly better defensively, plus Bledsoe isn't a massive drop off from Irving.

If you sub out Frye and and insert Shumpert your deal still works in trade machine minus Derrick White (who can't be included because he is less than 30 days after he signed). but I chose Frye in my hypothetical deal because his contract is an expiring and still fairly cheap, and could be flipped later. Shumperts deal is worse, and longer, but they may still be willing to take him but that may be doubtful.

- Agreed that, if push comes to shove, they should add Heat '18 1st
- There's no impetus to serve as a third team. If they still want Aldridge, they should have a good shot at signing him in a year. There's no need to gut their PG position in the process.
- Wouldn't get too hung up on White not being eligible at the moment. By all accounts, a trade isn't imminent and may not even happen until sometime between December 15th and trade deadline.
- Suns might prefer Frye to Shumpert for reasons you stated (though they have a hole at backup SG), but I meant from Cavaliers' perspective.

[jermaine]

[QUOTE=Chris;9104335]^ They did it. They got Lebron to dress up as a woman on television.
Get the black man to dress up as a woman!!! They all do it.

[spurs10]

I agree. You get Kyrie by any means and yo have two young stars to build around going forward. Getting Kyrie is contend now and definitely win later move. Yep, DesignatedT is right. Those two young guys together would set the stage for many years to come.

[Chinook]

Slightly above average:lol

If Irving is average what does that make parker and mills?

Parker was a WAY better defender than Irving. Kyrie is literally one of the worst in the league. Hell, current (but not injured) Tony is probably still better. I'm totally down with "upgrading" to Irving. But the result is to win games, not to acquire talent. Had this been a month ago when the team could have pivoted to Millsap or Blake after getting Irving, then that would be one thing. But they aren't better this year after that trade. LMA with Kawhi was a better player against GS than Irving with Lebron.

As far as people counting their chickens, Irving would be a Spur for two years, not eight. If you haven't learned from LMA, choosing SA one year doesn't mean you're in love forever. Dude's forcing his way out of a team destined for the Finals and is willing go to fucking Miami and Phoenix. There's no guarantee at all that he's reupping.

[tonight...you]

[QUOTE=Chris;9104335]^ They did it. They got Lebron to dress up as a woman on television.
Get the black man to dress up as a woman!!! They all do it.
:lol

[tholdren]

Well shit, that convinced me not to like his idea.
It shouldnt need any explanation.

[noles1983]

It shouldnt need any explanation.

Or you could not be fucking lazy and provide a counter argument.

[vander]

Couldn't we sign and trade hanga to make the salaries match without Aldridge or parker? Green/Murray/Hanga/2 firsts is probably as good an offer as cavs will get.

[TheDoctor]

Or you could not be fucking lazy and provide a counter argument.

You're taking him too seriously.

[TimDunkem]

Couldn't we sign and trade hanga to make the salaries match without Aldridge or parker? Green/Murray/Hanga/2 firsts is probably as good an offer as cavs will get.
This guy is living in a dream world.

[TheDoctor]

Couldn't we sign and trade hanga to make the salaries match without Aldridge or parker? Green/Murray/Hanga/2 firsts is probably as good an offer as cavs will get.

Hanga signed an extension w/ Baskonia through 2020.

[kaji157]

Hanga signed an extension w/ Baskonia through 2020.

The salaries working is the least of it, thou you can always find a parter for that, the problem is Cleveland wanting our package.

[Chillen]

Cavs would not accept anything less than LMA, they don't have to trade Irving they can wait it out till season starts and see if he shows up to play or even wants to play for the Cavs even if it gets messy he's under contract. If he doesn't they would have a big problem of course and would absolutely have to trade him. The fact it has dragged on this long tells me Cavs don't really want to trade Irving even if he requested it. He would have to threaten to sit out games for them to do it and it would make him look bad.

Would love to see Irving traded to Spurs per his request but the Cavs probably really don't want to trade him unless they absolutely have to. If he really wants out this is gonna get ugly.

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