Report: Kyrie Irving Asked Cavs to Trade Him

[cd021]

the longer this drags out the less cleveland gets back for irving. time only benefits the buyer.

Don't buy that. That's how Indy screwed up.

[exstatic]

Cleveland cannot let this go on even to training camp. LeBron has said he'd probably fight Kyrie if he saw him. That's way too toxic of a situation to let develop. LeBron thinks that everyone marches to his tune, but Kyrie is taking a shit on that notion by determining his own destiny, and not going along with whatever LeBron is putting down. LeBron doesn't like it when his manipulation is exposed to daylight, and Kyrie pretty much just ripped down the curtain. Kyrie is in that same class of distressed asset as butler and PG13, and will return only pennies on the dollar like they did. It doesn't matter that he has two years left on his contract, and no no-trade clause. He has effectively pulled the pin on the trade grenade, and they have to get rid of him, or it becomes the only story for Cleveland this season, and LeBron won't have that. It would tarnish his image with the clueless public.

[rjv]

Don't buy that. That's how Indy screwed up. with PG? they were the seller though.

[exstatic]

Don't buy that. That's how Indy screwed up.

Indy didn't screw up at all. They knew PG13 was a distressed asset, so they set out to F him as hard as possible for causing that situation by conveying his Bird rights to a tiny market team in flyover country. Mission accomplished.

[Jdspur20]

with PG? they were the seller though.

Yep. Completely different situation.

[SAGirl]

Damn this thread started slowing down like Manu circa 2009 :lol

The Irving trade could take a long time... A lot of guys just signed can't be traded until December... he could be cancering things up with Lebron until then.

[SAGirl]

BIG assumption.


:pop: "Kyrie hasn't gotten over himself yet. He will be ready to join the Spurs in about 10 years - unless his knees hold up."

:pop: We like what we have.
:pop: We are zigging while the league is zagging: basically we are going with an old (and injured with Rudy Gay and Tony) movement, while the league gets younger... Also we don't play our young players unless the roof is on fire and all hell broke lose. If they do well in that situation, we won't resign them. :lol

[SAGirl]

All true.

It's funny LBJ being mad. How many teammates has he left in the past? Jilted a Heat team that had made 4 straight Finals including best pal Wade.

We could say Lebron is all about himself. then gets angry when a young player dares to have the same mindset he taught him.

[BillMc]

We could say Lebron is all about himself. then gets angry when a young player dares to have the same mindset he taught him.
Truth

[SAGirl]

i can't recall the last time i saw ST in such a full meltdown mode, and that's saying a lot.

then I don't know what you have been reading.
To me the meltdown over 12:01 50 million man Patty Mills deal was bigger. Once that deal went down, I knew the Spurs were standing pat. I couldn't and wouldn't hide my disappointment.

Now.. meh... at least I will get to watch Kyle Anderson (that was for the hate crew, got to give them a bone every once in a while... let them generate at least 20 posts about something else).

[BatManu20]

Wonder if they'll pull the trigger.



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[Seventyniner]

I wonder what is the purpose of the rule that you can't trade a newly signed player until Dec 15. Is it so a player who signs a FA contract at least gets to play part of the season where he wanted to play?

[BatManu20]

I wonder what is the purpose of the rule that you can't trade a newly signed player until Dec 15. Is it so a player who signs a FA contract at least gets to play part of the season where he wanted to play?

Basically so you can't completely fuck over a player right after you sign him. You have to wait a few months, THEN you can fuck him over. Sort of a "no get out of jail fee card on an immediate buyer's remorse" rule.

[BatManu20]

Lol the saltiness of NBA players these days.


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[BatManu20]

He probably got one one glimpse of these new uni's that look like college uniforms.

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[BatManu20]

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[cd021]

Indy didn't screw up at all. They knew PG13 was a distressed asset, so they set out to F him as hard as possible for causing that situation by conveying his Bird rights to a tiny market team in flyover country. Mission accomplished.

Don't think there is any is any way to positively spin the return on PG-13. They took back Olidipo, a player who is likely to under perform his $84 million dollar price tag and Sabonis with no pick attached.

Meanwhile Portland reportedly offered 15, 20 and 26 and any other player not named C.J. and Dame. Indy could've added 3 picks to their own 18th pick in this years draft and could've used those picks to move up and nap one or even two lottery picks.

Indy would've probably finished this upcoming season as one of the five worst teams and gotten another lottery pick as a result. OKC not only got one of the best players in the league without giving up a pick but also got out of a bad contract too.

[BatManu20]

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[cd021]

with PG? they were the seller though.

Indy should've waited, the return they got was a joke.

[rjv]

then I don't know what you have been reading.
To me the meltdown over 12:01 50 million man Patty Mills deal was bigger. Once that deal went down, I knew the Spurs were standing pat. I couldn't and wouldn't hide my disappointment.

Now.. meh... at least I will get to watch Kyle Anderson (that was for the hate crew, got to give them a bone every once in a while... let them generate at least 20 posts about something else). i'm not sure why anyone really thought we were going to be that active anyway. there was really nothing to indicate that we were going to try to make room and without that room, we had no cap space. trades, of course, are a whole different matter. personally, i hope i see more from KA this year. he has some skills but he needs the moxie.

[rjv]

Indy should've waited, the return they got was a joke. they did get practically nothing. perhaps, his value would have peaked again around february but i still contend it's a buyer's market.

[baseline bum]

Indy didn't screw up at all. They knew PG13 was a distressed asset, so they set out to F him as hard as possible for causing that situation by conveying his Bird rights to a tiny market team in flyover country. Mission accomplished.

LOL, it would be funny if they traded Irving to Sacramento, Utah, or Charlotte for the same reasons. Not like they're getting any decent offers anyways.

[ducks]

LOL, it would be funny if they traded Irving to Sacramento, Utah, or Charlotte for the same reasons. Not like they're getting any decent offers anyways.

yeah that would be really funny since no good offers and as a spur fan I would want sa to win titles
him going to jazz would make that harder
you should move out of California it has effected your head

[SpursforSix]

I'm at peace now that we have Gasol locked up. I don't care what Kyrie does anymore.

[baseline bum]

yeah that would be really funny since no good offers and as a spur fan I would want sa to win titles
him going to jazz would make that harder
you should move out of California it has effected your head

You should move to fourth grade and learn how to spell.

[cd021]

Slight various of my previous trade idea.

Spurs could throw in their 2018 first to PHX to entice them into the trade.


Spurs Get:
Kyrie Irving
Tyson Chandler

Cavs Get:
Jared Dudley
Danny Green
Eric Bledsoe

Suns Get:
Kay Felder
LaMarcus Aldridge
Channing Frye
Spurs 2018 1st round pick


Cavs rotation:
PG-Bledsoe-Rose-Caulderon
SG-Green-Smith
SF-Lebron-Dudley-Shumpert
PF-Love-J. Green
C-Thompson-Taveres?

Spurs rotation:
PG-Irving-Mills-Forbes
SG-Leonard-Murray-White
SF-Gay-Manu-Blossomgame
PF-Anderson-Bertans
C-Chandler-Gasol-Lavergne-Costello

[hater]

:lol why do people think Suns still want Lamarsha? :lol

That was 2 years ago :lol

[SpursforSix]

:lol why do people think Suns still want Lamarsha? :lol

That was 2 years ago :lol

I don't know. Every team in a bind thinks they can make something work. Like picking up Gay. If there's nothing better out there, maybe they'd be thrilled. And maybe they didn't watch all of the crappy games he had.

[look_at_g_shred]

:lol why do people think Suns still want Lamarsha? :lol

That was 2 years ago :lol
Because suns

[rjv]

Slight various of my previous trade idea.

Spurs could throw in their 2018 first to PHX to entice them into the trade.


Spurs Get:
Kyrie Irving
Tyson Chandler

Cavs Get:
Jared Dudley
Danny Green
Eric Bledsoe

Suns Get:
Kay Felder
LaMarcus Aldridge
Channing Frye
Spurs 2018 1st round pick


Cavs rotation:
PG-Bledsoe-Rose-Caulderon
SG-Green-Smith
SF-Lebron-Dudley-Shumpert
PF-Love-J. Green
C-Thompson-Taveres?

Spurs rotation:
PG-Irving-Mills-Forbes
SG-Leonard-Murray-White
SF-Gay-Manu-Blossomgame
PF-Anderson-Bertans
C-Chandler-Gasol-Lavergne-Costello i'm in. it would certainly get cleveland more of what they would want (with the exception of a younger player with a rookie contract-and that is where murray could factor in).

[marinoman]

:lol why do people think Suns still want Lamarsha? :lol

That was 2 years ago :lol
Why is your sig talking about Spurs picking up LMA and David West?

That was 2 years ago

[Jdspur20]

Why is your sig talking about Spurs picking up LMA and David West?

That was 2 years ago

:lol

[Spurs9]

Theres no way I'm giving up Josh Jackson for a trade for Kyrie, they already have Booker anyways.

[TimDunkem]

Why is your sig talking about Spurs picking up LMA and David West?

That was 2 years ago
:lmao

[SupremeGuy]

Why is your sig talking about Spurs picking up LMA and David West?

That was 2 years ago:lol

[Jdspur20]

Theres no way I'm giving up Josh Jackson for a trade for Kyrie, they already have Booker anyways.

YEah, can't imagine the Suns doing that.

[baseline bum]

Why would the Suns take Aldridge to help the Spurs get Irving when they could just get Irving themselves?

[kaji157]

Why would the Suns take Aldridge to help the Spurs get Irving when they could just get Irving themselves?

Because even when he is a worse player, Aldridge fills a bigger need on their team.

I also think it´s unlikely to happen, but that is the answer to your question.

In booker and bledsoe they already have perimeter scoring, yet they lack a inside offensive threat, Aldridge could be that, specially in a contract year.

[ducks]

I would think they would take lma to get rid of chandler
he will opt out

[DPG21920]

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[Mr. Body]

What options are there left for Cleveland?

[Leetonidas]

Just give us Kyrie already Gilbert. You know Spurs are the only shot of knocking off GS for you

[Ron Swanson]

Cleveland is running out of options.

[baseline bum]

What options are there left for Cleveland?

This is the move I'd be trying to make if I was Cleveland:

https://image.ibb.co/kncvh5/trade.png

[spurs10]

Just give us Kyrie already Gilbert. You know Spurs are the only shot of knocking off GS for you Any good American would hand him over to defeat the Evil Empire of Cupcake and the Twink aka GSW.

[Leetonidas]

Holy shit Batum makes 10 mil more than kemba?? I'm guessing he signed that deal last year

[tonight...you]

Any good American would hand him over to defeat the Evil Empire of Cupcake and the Twink aka GSW.
:lol

[spurs10]

:lol :toast Yeah I'm not a fan of those guys! I actually believe Kyrie must know that playing alongside of Kawhi, someone his own age, would give him an outstanding shot at being a strong contender. Now putting together a trade that will work is another thing.

[SAGirl]

i'm not sure why anyone really thought we were going to be that active anyway. there was really nothing to indicate that we were going to try to make room and without that room, we had no cap space. trades, of course, are a whole different matter. personally, i hope i see more from KA this year. he has some skills but he needs the moxie.

I really did get my hopes up about CP3 and the rumors of trades around the draft. I thought something was going to go down, they'd make some improvement. Pau opting out surely wasn't originally about the Spurs wanting to resign him for more money and more years. They had other things planned that didn't pan out.

It's no secret I wanted the team to improve, not bc I am accusing last season's team of being fool's gold but bc the end is near for Tony and Manu and I didn't believe the team could afford to stand pat and not expect a decline. It is what it is, I kind of made my peace already with what they did (or failed to do)...

[ducks]

:toast Yeah I'm not a fan of those guys! I actually believe Kyrie must know that playing alongside of Kawhi, someone his own age, would give him an outstanding shot at being a strong contender. Now putting together a trade that will work is another thing.
he knows leonard plays d

[Snaq O'Meal]

Just give us Kyrie already Gilbert. You know Spurs are the only shot of knocking off GS for you

Perhaps Gilbert was trying very hard to send Kyrie to the Spurs, but RC just wouldn't let him. After all, the Spurs already committed $50 million to a defensively-challenged short-assed shooter.

[DAF86]

The more time goes by the less I care about this trade. The one player to get was Paul George and the Spurs clearly didn't care enough to move around to get him, proven by the fact that he was got by a bag of shit. I don't even remember what OKC had to give up? Oladipo on an awful contract and Sabonis right?

[cd021]

I would think they would take lma to get rid of chandler
he will opt out

Don't think LMA opting out of $22.5 is actually going to happen unless his agent gauges interest and some team is willing to offer something like a 3yr, $50 deal. I included a 2018 Spurs first as sweetner in my trade idea to give PHX a reason to be in the trade.

[cutewizard]

Cleveland cannot let this go on even to training camp. LeBron has said he'd probably fight Kyrie if he saw him. That's way too toxic of a situation to let develop. LeBron thinks that everyone marches to his tune, but Kyrie is taking a shit on that notion by determining his own destiny, and not going along with whatever LeBron is putting down. LeBron doesn't like it when his manipulation is exposed to daylight, and Kyrie pretty much just ripped down the curtain. Kyrie is in that same class of distressed asset as butler and PG13, and will return only pennies on the dollar like they did. It doesn't matter that he has two years left on his contract, and no no-trade clause. He has effectively pulled the pin on the trade grenade, and they have to get rid of him, or it becomes the only story for Cleveland this season, and LeBron won't have that. It would tarnish his image with the clueless public.


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[tonight...you]

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:bobo
Girl, think about how lop-sided this team would be, bringing in Kyrie, an all offense PG and losing two of our defensive stalwarts in LMA and Green.
I know that change is enticing and fun to go with, but I think that this team would be punting next year, getting Kyrie and hoping for some front-line add-ons in '18.

[cutewizard]

Look guys, everyone deserves second chances.....

I am reminded of Dennis Rodman, when he arrived at the shores of the Bulls universe

(Who would have thought that he would be accepted, and of course, he thrived)

Irving arriving at the Spurs Warren (borrowing Malazan mythology) would be such a thing, a second chance.

And then you have a mentor like Pop, and team. So...............

[tholdren]

Lebron is a loser and so is kyrie. It is what happens when the owners cant control these idiots.

[cutewizard]

Girl, think about how lop-sided this team would be, bringing in Kyrie, an all offense PG and losing two of our defensive stalwarts in LMA and Green.
I know that change is enticing and fun to go with, but I think that this team would be punting next year, getting Kyrie and hoping for some front-line add-ons in '18.

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You have a point, good Sir, I worry about it myself....

However, lets put ourselves in the shoes of RC, if we are the GMs, we would probably be tempted right?

Kyrie is Kyrie, fans would love to watch him.

[cutewizard]

I watched this yesterday, so just wanna share it.....

On the topic of second chances:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhaujNxohGw&t=574s

[tonight...you]

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You have a point, good Sir, I worry about it myself....

However, lets put ourselves in the shoes of RC, if we are the GMs, we would probably be tempted right?

Kyrie is Kyrie, fans would love to watch him.
Very true, it will put butts in seats, but it won't bring us to even the WCF's this year, imo. The D will be bad. Really bad. Bad in the back-court and bad at the rim with only Kawhi in the middle.

I just don't want to put him in that kind of situation... Not only will they lose more, but Kawhi will get called out for his "slipping D" because of the sieves he has around him.

And this is just not a recipe for success. At all. Which has been proven time after time after time.

[hater]

Great point wizard

Chances are Kylie will stay next to Leroids and easily win the east and get to their 3rd straight finals

Meanwhile Spurs will give 30 millions/3 years to Manus cousin

[YGWHI]

The more time goes by the less I care about this trade. The one player to get was Paul George and the Spurs clearly didn't care enough to move around to get him, proven by the fact that he was got by a bag of shit. I don't even remember what OKC had to give up? Oladipo on an awful contract and Sabonis right?

Don't forget Jimmy Butler. I guess Butler was a better fit for Spurs than PG13. That's why a trade involving Danny Green and other guys would have made sense. Also, Butler was traded for a bag of doritos.

[DAF86]

Don't forget Jimmy Butler. I guess Butler was a better fit for Spurs than PG13. That's why a trade involving Danny Green and other guys would have made sense. Also, Butler was traded for a bag of doritos.

Yeah, that shit was bad too.

I'm just curious if PATFO even made offers, or they were just like: "oh look, Jimmy Butler for a bag of shit. We might have had a chance".

[ducks]

Don't think LMA opting out of $22.5 is actually going to happen unless his agent gauges interest and some team is willing to offer something like a 3yr, $50 deal. I included a 2018 Spurs first as sweetner in my trade idea to give PHX a reason to be in the trade.
Is he George hill agent?

[exstatic]

Don't think there is any is any way to positively spin the return on PG-13. They took back Olidipo, a player who is likely to under perform his $84 million dollar price tag and Sabonis with no pick attached.

Meanwhile Portland reportedly offered 15, 20 and 26 and any other player not named C.J. and Dame. Indy could've added 3 picks to their own 18th pick in this years draft and could've used those picks to move up and nap one or even two lottery picks.

Indy would've probably finished this upcoming season as one of the five worst teams and gotten another lottery pick as a result. OKC not only got one of the best players in the league without giving up a pick but also got out of a bad contract too.

Do you know that it was the Pacers that killed that, and not PG13 telling them he wouldn't stay? That's the whole distressed asset thing. It doesn't really matter what is offered if PG13 says no way.

[ducks]

It was reported pacers would not talk to sa

[exstatic]

Don't think LMA opting out of $22.5 is actually going to happen unless his agent gauges interest and some team is willing to offer something like a 3yr, $50 deal. I included a 2018 Spurs first as sweetner in my trade idea to give PHX a reason to be in the trade.

Spurs could push the issue by saying they're opening talks with Sacto on a salary dump. They threatened something like that to HWNMNBS to get him to opt out and re-sign cheaper.

[look_at_g_shred]

Yeah, that shit was bad too.

I'm just curious if PATFO even made offers, or they were just like: "oh look, Jimmy Butler for a bag of shit. We might have had a chance".
Yeah but the wolves had something we didn't, a lottery pick.

[ginobilized]

Whatever happens, it is pretty fascinating. I can't remember a perennial contender coming apart from the inside like this.
Whether we get Kyrie or not, I think Pop has been around long enough to get the people side of the league. My gut tells me that there will be a fortunate outcome from this for the Spurs eventually. I really wonder what Kawhi is thinking.

[BatManu20]

Holy shit Batum makes 10 mil more than kemba?? I'm guessing he signed that deal last year

Batum's contract is one of the worst in basketball tbh.

[BatManu20]

Still wouldn't quite count the Suns out tbh, especially if it's a 3-team deal.

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[Seventyniner]

fwiw, Sportscenter showed the current Bovada odds for which team Kyrie will be on to start the season.

CLE 1-1
NY 4-1
PHO 9-2
BOS 13-2
DEN 9-1

[DAF86]

Yeah but the wolves had something we didn't, a lottery pick.

Did the Wolves traded a pick of this past draft or one of the future one?

[Jdspur20]

fwiw, Sportscenter showed the current Bovada odds for which team Kyrie will be on to start the season.

CLE 1-1
NY 4-1
PHO 9-2
BOS 13-2
DEN 9-1

Espn doing everything not to mention the Spurs

[TheRemix]

fwiw, Sportscenter showed the current Bovada odds for which team Kyrie will be on to start the season.

CLE 1-1
NY 4-1
PHO 9-2
BOS 13-2
DEN 9-1

Kyrie said he prefers the spurs and yet they're not on the list? Fuck off espn

[coachmac87]

Kyrie said he prefers the spurs and yet they're not on the list? Fuck off espn

Neither is Miami and Minnesota

[Hoops Czar]

Kyrie said he prefers the spurs and yet they're not on the list? Fuck off espn

I guess ESPN knows RC as well as Spurs fans do.

[marinoman]

I think Spurs are 14-1 on bovada
miami was 20-1

[Snaq O'Meal]

Yeah, that shit was bad too.

I'm just curious if PATFO even made offers, or they were just like: "oh look, Jimmy Butler for a bag of shit. We might have had a chance".

Trading for Butler may be viewed as an admission that PATFO screwed up by drafting CoJo instead of Butler that year. No way in hell PATFO would get over themselves to own up for that fuck up.

[look_at_g_shred]

Did the Wolves traded a pick of this past draft or one of the future one?
This draft

[sananspursfan21]

Kyrie said he prefers the spurs and yet they're not on the list? Fuck off espn

Hooooold on there just a second. Go back to ESPN's social media posts three days ago. They featured Kyrie photoshopped in a Spurs jersey. So me thinks maybe there's smoke to this? Maybe Cleveland isn't impressed with the trade package?

[Seventyniner]

I think Spurs are 14-1 on bovada
miami was 20-1

Parlay Kyrie to Spurs with Spurs winning the title?

[illusioNtEk]

Maybe KL doesn't want Irving? Ever think about that? I'm sure KL has some say in all this.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

I think it'd be crazy not to go after him, people saying he is a cancer and horrible at defense forget that he's only 25. Shit, 2 to 3 years and you grow so much and can still learn a bunch.

[BatManu20]

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[Hoops Czar]

Maybe KL doesn't want Irving? Ever think about that? I'm sure KL has some say in all this.

How would anyone know that?

[Mnky]

Girl, think about how lop-sided this team would be, bringing in Kyrie, an all offense PG and losing two of our defensive stalwarts in LMA and Green.
I know that change is enticing and fun to go with, but I think that this team would be punting next year, getting Kyrie and hoping for some front-line add-ons in '18.

Both those guys are likely gone next year either way. It's be better to get something for them. Danny is set to make much more and LMA is so back and forth, he will probably sign with portland.

[cd98]

Reality check from sports illustrated

San Antonio SpursThis seems like a long shot for a number of reasons. Yes, it’s fair to assume Kawhi Leonard is untouchable. Although the Spurs are a questionable system fit for Irving, who likes to dominate the ball and score in isolation, the winning culture and potential to play with Leonard holds appeal. That said, it’s unlikely San Antonio would have enough to swing this even if they wanted to. San Antonio possesses a nice salary counterweight in Tony Parker, who will make $15.4 million next season, the last on his deal, but an aging Parker coming off injury would hold next to no trade value for the Cavaliers. The Spurs have explored trades for LaMarcus Aldridge in recent months, so he could potentially be a trade chip, albeit one of diminished value. Young players like DeJounte Murray (a Klutch Sports client) could be included, or perhaps Patty Mills, who recently agreed to a four-year, $50 million deal, but none of this helps Cleveland much, and it’s not a very Spurs-like gambit in the first place. San Antonio rarely trades its first-rounders, and given the franchise’s success, their future firsts will likely fall in the 25–30 draft range in a given year. This doesn’t really make sense on paper.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

^ while it's true the Spurs have very few trade assets and about 20 other teams can give Cleveland a better package, it's hard to take seriously a site that's not aware the Spurs couldn't trade Patty right now.

[hater]

I'm sure KL has some say in all this.

:lmao :lol :lmao

[Spurs9]

Maybe KL doesn't want Irving? Ever think about that? I'm sure KL has some say in all this.

Paddy and the front office

[Jdspur20]

^ while it's true the Spurs have very few trade assets and about 20 other teams can give Cleveland a better package, it's hard to take seriously a site that's not aware the Spurs couldn't trade Patty right now.

Yep. Pretty much voids what they have to say.

[cd021]

Do you know that it was the Pacers that killed that, and not PG13 telling them he wouldn't stay? That's the whole distressed asset thing. It doesn't really matter what is offered if PG13 says no way.
I am not sure but I think the Pacers balked on it. I think the Blazers may have been desperate enough to still pull off that trade or the same trade frame work minus maybe the 26th pick for a chance to pair PG 13 with Dame and C.J.

I still find it hard to believe that Indy wouldn't go for additional picks in a good draft, especially considering they have been pretty good with drafting players in the past. if PG leaves OKC, Presti will still have still unloaded Olidipo while only giving up Sabonis. Low risk, high reward.

[UZER]

Maybe Parker doesn't want Kyrie on the team.

[BillMc]

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/photo/2017/0725/r236157_1280x720_16-9.png&cquality=80

[BillMc]

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/photo/2017/0725/r236157_1280x720_16-9.png&cquality=80

Surprised T-wolves are this low.

[look_at_g_shred]

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Patty doesn't want to say too much :stirpot: In all honesty though, his answer was pretty optimistic. He didn't sound like a lot of people who say we don't have enough to get a trade done.

[benefactor]

PATFO won't be trading for Irving for the same reason they didn't try to sign Rose...they aren't going to sign a starting PG when they still believe that job belongs to Parker.

:lol loyalty
:lol Spurs holding themselves hostage
:lol passing on players to wait on Pop's crippled son
:lol 75 yr old Manu playing 5 minutes a night

[look_at_g_shred]

Surprised T-wolves are this low.

Weren't we 14-1 yesterday?

[kaji157]

Really, i think the spurs has a good chance as anyone, as with lma and green they have two players that can be included in 3 team deals and get us the assets Cleveland wants.
It would make a lot of sense on why we didn't resign Simmons, and also the Gasol situation.
To say the truth, the real knock on this would be Parker attitude towards a trade that clearly benefits the franchise and that will put him away for one season, mainly because his contract is the real key to adding salary dumped players into the equation and would allow us to part with only one of green or Aldridge instead of both.
Patty will most likely be traded the minute Manu retires and Gasol will be kept as the zenmaster.

[Mr. Body]

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/photo/2017/0725/r236157_1280x720_16-9.png&cquality=80

Why the fuck do these odds matter? Only the wishes of a handful GMs matter.

[BillMc]

Weren't we 14-1 yesterday?
Don't know. If so, that's trending in the right direction.

[Mr. Body]

Don't know. If so, that's trending in the right direction.

Because some Dumbfucks on the internet say so?

[BillMc]

Because some Dumbfucks on the internet say so?

I find it amusing anyone attempts to handicap these things.

[sasaint]

I find it amusing anyone attempts to handicap these things.

"...Spurs running 6th, but moving up on the outside at the quarter pole..."

:lol

[look_at_g_shred]

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[Mr. Body]

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'Starting'?

[look_at_g_shred]

'Starting'?
Yea I guess it's been all hearsay up until this point.

[rjv]

'Starting'? not a coincidence that this happens to be the first day that Altman takes over as GM.

[look_at_g_shred]

When has Alex ever broke anything? Not saying he hasn't just asking.
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[coachmac87]

When has Alex ever broke anything? Not saying he hasn't just asking.
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He makes it seem like Kyrie is a FA..

He has to be traded and Wiggins without question has to be involved. I'm not exactly seeing the logic with Minnesota...they signed Teague to starter $$ yet would have to trade him in December? Are they gonna start Teague-Irving at the 1-2 until then? Just don't see it at all tbh

[Darius Bieber]

Ah yes, gonna be another 100+ page thread without Kyrie ever setting foot in San Antonio. It ain't gonna happen. No one wants to come here.

[rjv]

Ah yes, gonna be another 100+ page thread without Kyrie ever setting foot in San Antonio. It ain't gonna happen. No one wants to come here. he wants to come here. the problem is that he is not a FA. totally different situation. SA likely lacks the assets the cavs would want.

[Laughing Gravy]

Ah yes, gonna be another 100+ page thread without Kyrie ever setting foot in San Antonio. It ain't gonna happen. No one wants to come here.

Except he said he wants to come here. Lol idiot

[BillMc]

"...Spurs running 6th, but moving up on the outside at the quarter pole..."

:lol
:lol

[TimDunkem]

The only team from Kyrie's list that make more sense than San Antonio is Minnesota because they can do a straight up deal with Cleveland. With San Antonio, a third team would have to be in the mix since they don't want Aldridge and you'd most certainly have to move him to get it done.

No one else makes sense to me unless they completely disregard Kyrie's wishes and send him somewhere else.

[coachmac87]

The only team from Kyrie's list that make more sense than San Antonio is Minnesota because they can do a straight up deal with Cleveland. With San Antonio, a third team would have to be in the mix since they don't want Aldridge and you'd most certainly have to move him to get it done.

No one else makes sense to me unless they completely disregard Kyrie's wishes and send him somewhere else.

How does Minnesota make sense??

IMO the only team on the list that makes sense is Miami...

[TimDunkem]

How does Minnesota make sense??

IMO the only team on the list that makes sense is Miami... A deal centered around Wiggins is the deal that's been brought up time and time again.

And lol the consensus is that Miami makes the LEAST amount of sense. Riley does not want to do a deal with Cleveland, brah.

[rjv]

A deal centered around Wiggins is the deal that's been brought up time and time again.

And lol the consensus is that Miami makes the LEAST amount of sense. Riley does not want to do a deal with Cleveland, brah. it has been brought up but i always see that it gets shot down because minny is reluctant to give him up. that could change, of course.

[Big Empty]

This what we f$&kn get for having over twenty 50 win seasons smFh. No trade assets....

[coachmac87]

A deal centered around Wiggins is the deal that's been brought up time and time again.

And lol the consensus is that Miami makes the LEAST amount of sense. Riley does not want to do a deal with Cleveland, brah.

Ok let's say Wolves trade Wiggins which I agree has to be the case...

Minnesota gonna start Teague/Irving back court?? Pay them both roughly 20M per for a non existent defense and just a terrible fit? And yes I know you could trade Teague in December but I don't that makes sense and just seems the first two months of season would be a waste of time..

[TimDunkem]

it has been brought up but i always see that it gets shot down because minny is reluctant to give him up. that could change, of course.
They're going to have to pay him soon. Would they rather pay him or Kyrie? I'm thinking they'd rather have Kyrie.

Doesn't make basketball sense to me though even if the trade is simple and they're not giving up too much. He'd be the third banana on that team. Still, Minny makes more sense than any other on his list.

[TimDunkem]

Ok let's say Wolves trade Wiggins which I agree has to be the case...

Minnesota gonna start Teague/Irving back court?? Pay them both roughly 20M per for a non existent defense and just a terrible fit? And yes I know you could trade Teague in December but I don't that makes sense and just seems the first two months of season would be a waste of time..
Cleveland doesn't have much to lose waiting until December, otherwise, no you're not starting Teague and Kyrie. Lol Come on. Teague would be Kyrie's backup, obviously.

[TimDunkem]

This what we f$&kn get for having over twenty 50 win seasons smFh. No trade assets....
If only the Spurs had ANYTHING other than maybe Green or Murray that Cleveland wanted, this deal would've been done already, imo.

[coachmac87]

Cleveland doesn't have much to lose waiting until December, otherwise, no you're not starting Teague and Kyrie. Lol Come on. Teague would be Kyrie's backup, obviously.

You're gonna pay 20M per for a back up? He's actually making more $$ for Kyrie..

Why sacrifice a wing player in Wiggins who you're on the brink of signing an extension with for Irving?? So you can bench Teague? Who you just paid 20M over 3yrs?

[TimDunkem]

You're gonna pay 20M per for a back up? He's actually making more $$ for Kyrie..

Why sacrifice a wing player in Wiggins who you're on the brink of signing an extension with for Irving?? So you can bench Teague? Who you just paid 20M over 3yrs?
Why sacrifice Wiggins? Kyrie is better than him maybe?

Again, if Cleveland wants Teague, they don't have to do the deal now. They're the one team that is absolutely fine with waiting. They have no problem with letting Kyrie squirm while James leads them to a top seed in the shitty East.

[coachmac87]

Why sacrifice Wiggins? Kyrie is better than him maybe?

Again, if Cleveland wants Teague, they don't have to do the deal now. They're the one team that is absolutely fine with waiting. They have no problem with letting Kyrie squirm while James leads them to a top seed in the shitty East.



Think about what you're saying....why would Cleveland want Teague? 3yr/59M. Why?

YOU said Wiggins was the deal...which is fine but it still would leave Minnesota with a horrible Teague/Irving combination starting together or Teague off the bench it's a horrible duo for Minnesota.

And I can make the case to keep a younger prospect (Wiggins ) who balances the roster construction..and could be getting 5yr extension...over Kyrie who is the better player BUT is only signed for 2 years and makes your backcourt very questionable

[TimDunkem]

Think about what you're saying....why would Cleveland want Teague? 3yr/59M. Why?

YOU said Wiggins was the deal...which is fine but it still would leave Minnesota with a horrible Teague/Irving combination starting together or Teague off the bench it's a horrible duo for Minnesota.

And I can make the case to keep a younger prospect (Wiggins ) who balances the roster construction..and could be getting 5yr extension...over Kyrie who is the better player BUT is only signed for 2 years and makes your backcourt very questionable
I'm not the one saying Cleveland wants Teague. You are. :lol Any other combination with Wiggins would be fine. If Cleveland does end up with Teague, they would likely move forward with moving Love and others other balance things out.

The roster balance for Minny is exactly why this deal hasn't been done yet. No one else is willing to give up the farm for a possible two year rental. That's why both sides are completely fine waiting. Also, there has been no indication from Minny's side that they're sold on Wiggins and ready to extend him.

[coachmac87]

I'm not the one saying Cleveland wants Teague. You are. :lol Any other combination with Wiggins would be fine. If Cleveland does end up with Teague, they would likely move forward with moving Love and others other balance things out.

The roster balance for Minny is exactly why this deal hasn't been done yet. No one else is willing to give up the farm for a possible two year rental. That's why both sides are completely fine waiting. Also, there has been no indication from Minny's side that they're sold on Wiggins and ready to extend him.


God you're a Fucking idiot...

I said Minnesota doesn't make sense if you really look st things...

You said Wiggins is part of the deal that could happen...

I agree with that but I don't see why Minnesota would want a Kyrie/Teague backcourt...

Where and gone Fuck did I say Teague was going to Cleveland??

You're the dumbass who brought all that shit up...

[TimDunkem]

God you're a Fucking idiot...

I said Minnesota doesn't make sense if you really look st things...

You said Wiggins is part of the deal that could happen...

I agree with that but I don't see why Minnesota would want a Kyrie/Teague backcourt...

Where and gone Fuck did I say Teague was going to Cleveland??

You're the dumbass who brought all that shit up...Chill, jackass and re-read what you wrote. You brought up Teague, dumbass. All I said was the deal would center around Wiggins.

All this coming from the guy saying Miami makes sense when literally no one else in the world thinks Riley would deal with Cleveland. No wonder your podcast failed. :lol

[szkorhetz]

How does Minnesota make sense??

IMO the only team on the list that makes sense is Miami...
/thread

[Leetonidas]

Lol at posters scoffing this thread. An all star expressed interest in being traded here and it's rumored to be his preferred landing spot. Why the fuck wouldn't there be a thread about it? :lmao fucking spurfan

[mookie2001]

So Kyrie thinks if you fly a plane in a straight line long enough that you'll just pass all the mountains and oceans and countries known to man and reach the great unknown.

Van Morrison ass PG lol

[coachmac87]

Chill, jackass and re-read what you wrote. You brought up Teague, dumbass. All I said was the deal would center around Wiggins.

All this coming from the guy saying Miami makes sense when literally no one else in the world thinks Riley would deal with Cleveland. No wonder your podcast failed. :lol

The problem is you can't comprehend what I wrote....

Trading Wiggins for Kyrie creates a TEAGUE/IRVING BACKCOURT IN MINNESOTA...starting together or Teague off the bench..it doesn't make sense basketball wise or salary cap wise because TEAGUE is getting paid 20M...if you think hard enough you'd realize that'd be the highest salary for s bench player..NOT GOOD.

You're the only one who suggested ANYTHING about Teague/Cavs yet you said I did. That makes you an idiot sir...

I'd love to explain why Miami would make more sense basketball/salary wise instead of Minnesota but I don't think you could comprehend it all

[Mr. Body]

The problem is you can't comprehend what I wrote....

Trading Wiggins for Kyrie creates a TEAGUE/IRVING BACKCOURT IN MINNESOTA...starting together or Teague off the bench..it doesn't make sense basketball wise or salary cap wise because TEAGUE is getting paid 20M...if you think hard enough you'd realize that'd be the highest salary for s bench player..NOT GOOD.

You're the only one who suggested ANYTHING about Teague/Cavs yet you said I did. That makes you an idiot sir...

I'd love to explain why Miami would make more sense basketball/salary wise instead of Minnesota but I don't think you could comprehend it all

Lol.

[TimDunkem]

The problem is you can't comprehend what I wrote....

Trading Wiggins for Kyrie creates a TEAGUE/IRVING BACKCOURT IN MINNESOTA...starting together or Teague off the bench..it doesn't make sense basketball wise or salary cap wise because TEAGUE is getting paid 20M...if you think hard enough you'd realize that'd be the highest salary for s bench player..NOT GOOD.

You're the only one who suggested ANYTHING about Teague/Cavs yet you said I did. That makes you an idiot sir...

I'd love to explain why Miami would make more sense basketball/salary wise instead of Minnesota but I don't think you could comprehend it all
I already fucking explained that the deal doesn't need to be done now you moron. You keep pushing forward this narrative that the deal needs to be now and you're so caught up in wrapping your head around it that you refuse to acknowledge it. Cleveland DOES NOT have to do anything right now.

And nothing about basketball or salary is going to explain why Riley would do a deal with Cleveland. He is not going to help out that franchise. Everyone seems to understand that but you. Now go get your shinebox and fuck off back to your podcast no one listens to. :lol

[coachmac87]

I already fucking explained that the deal doesn't need to be done now you moron. You keep pushing forward this narrative that the deal needs to be now and you're so caught up in wrapping your head around it that you refuse to acknowledge it. Cleveland DOES NOT have to do anything right now.

And nothing about basketball or salary is going to explain why Riley would do a deal with Cleveland. He is not going to help out that franchise. Everyone seems to understand that but you. Now go get your shinebox and fuck off back to your podcast no one listens to. :lol

Ok since you're still struggling with the first topic I'm not gonna elaborate on it anymore..

But I'll shut you up real quick regarding Miami or anyone in particular...

Boogie, George, Butler are just a few recent examples where the team trading away those players got the short end of the deal...what makes you think Kyrie would be different? Especially now with all the drama surrounding the entire deal...

So if Miami is getting Kyrie and 95% likely getting the better end of the deal why wouldn't Riley try and make a deal??

[RD2191]

:corn:

[cd021]

Surprised T-wolves are this low.

Apparently the Cavs are asking for Wiggins, T-Wolves have to decide whether or not to include him or not.

If it were to go down it would probably be

Wiggins and Dieng + 2018 1st round pick (from OKC)
for
Irving and Fyre.

[TimDunkem]

Ok since you're still struggling with the first topic I'm not gonna elaborate on it anymore..

But I'll shut you up real quick regarding Miami or anyone in particular...

Boogie, George, Butler are just a few examples recent where the team trading away those players got the short end of the deal...what makes you think Kyrie would be different? Especially now with all the drama surrounding the entire deal...

So if Miami is getting Kyrie and 95% likely getting the better end of the deal why wouldn't Riley make a deal??

The only one struggling is you. All I initially said is that Minny makes more sense than anyone on Kyrie's list. You're caught up with the notion that the deal needs to get done with one of those teams ASAP and insist the Cavs are unwilling to trade for Teague or wait for him when, he's not even the centerpiece of the package, and Cleveland doesn't have to do a deal now.

The whole not getting back good value point is exactly why they're willing to wait. If a team like say, the Suns, are unwilling to trade young talent with proven talent like Jackson/Bledsoe, then there's nothing keeping the Cavs from either keeping Irving or waiting for a Wiggins/Teague/some throw in deal. They're not going to trade for Miami or San Antonio scraps right now. They're not calling teams; they're waiting for teams to call them with the best deal.

Keep pushing Miami though. Riley doesn't want to spare LeBron the embarrassment of Kyrie distancing himself from him, and no one on the Cavs wants to help the team that took LeBron from them. Literally almost everyone in the league feels the exact same way about it. Miami was likely one of those teams, like the Knicks, that Kyrie would prefer from a location perspective but isn't considered a realistic landing spot.

[tholdren]

Kyrie as a face of a team. After this drama. I told you all he was crap. Now he looks like a dumber version of carmelo. What other gm is thinking.... hmmmm i need a spoiled, selfish, person with half of an all around game?...

Brooklyn, maybe? Lakers? Sacramento? Thats about it.

[coachmac87]

The only one struggling is you. All I initially said is that Minny makes more sense than anyone on Kyrie's list. You're caught up with the notion that the deal needs to get done with one of those teams ASAP and insist the Cavs are unwilling to trade for Teague or wait for him when, he's not even the centerpiece of the package, and Cleveland doesn't have to do a deal now.

The whole not getting back good value point is exactly why they're willing to wait. If a team like say, the Suns, are unwilling to trade young talent with proven talent like Jackson/Bledsoe, then there's nothing keeping the Cavs from either keeping Irving or waiting for a Wiggins/Teague/some throw in deal. They're not going to trade for Miami or San Antonio scraps right now. They're not calling teams; they're waiting for teams to call them with the best deal.

Keep pushing Miami though. Riley doesn't want to spare LeBron the embarrassment of Kyrie distancing himself from him, and no one on the Cavs wants to help the team that took LeBron from them. Literally almost everyone in the league feels the exact same way about it. Miami was likely one of those teams, like the Knicks, that Kyrie would prefer from a location perspective but isn't considered a realistic landing spot.


Ok I'll play your game....

It's December and the time has passed. What deal is Minnesota/Cavs making?

[tholdren]

Ok I'll play your game....

It's December and the time has passed. What deal is Minnesota/Cavs making?

Whatever lebron says

[coachmac87]

Whatever lebron says

Stay out of this...lol

[tonight...you]

Whatever lebron says
You just Hitler'd this argument.

[MultiTroll]

Kyrie as a face of a team. After this drama. I told you all he was crap. Now he looks like a dumber version of carmelo. What other gm is thinking.... hmmmm i need a spoiled, selfish, person with half of an all around game?...

Brooklyn, maybe? Lakers? Sacramento? Thats about it.
This.
Dumbass gets so many good looks because
a. Lebron is a kick ass passer
b. Lebron draws doubles / attention all the farking time which helps free up Irving.

This is like dumbass Kirby Bryant as the *leader*. Then he realized Shaq buttered his bread along with MVPau and LakerRef.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

Apparently Eric Bledsoe is practicing with Lebron and D Rose.

[Spurtacular]

Lol at posters scoffing this thread. An all star expressed interest in being traded here and it's rumored to be his preferred landing spot. Why the fuck wouldn't there be a thread about it? :lmao fucking spurfan

ST has become the land of the troll.

[Laughing Gravy]

ST has become the land of the troll.

And to top it off, some want to hold on to pussyface Aldridge. Fucking short memory idiots lol

[skulls138]

.

[skulls138]

And Lebron needed Kyrie....but doesnt act like it. Lebron is the only superstar I know that looks horrible in crunch time.

[Mr. Body]

And Lebron needed Kyrie....but doesnt act like it. Lebron is the only superstar I know that looks horrible in crunch time.

Eh?

[TD 21]

Say what you want about Wiggins, but if Thibodeau is willing to relent, they win. I could see it, too: Wiggins isn't Thibodeau's type and there's a lot of overlap between Butler and him. Could also see Thibodeau, if not having interest, at least being okay with taking Shumpert's contract, in part because they'd need a wing back anyway.

Teague (I realize he can't be traded until December 15th) would have to be in it as well. Rose isn't good enough to start for an elite team and would be a terrible fit alongside James and Wiggins and Teague is too good/expensive to play 15-20 mpg backing up and playing spot minutes alongside Irving.

So Wiggins, Teague for Irving, Shumpert.

[Mr. Body]

It's amazing how shitty the packages for established stars have been.

[skulls138]

Eh?Hes terrible. He stands behind the 3pt line not doing anything and finally chucks it, missing it, you can bet on it, because he has no go to move in the half court set. If he doesnt beat you off the dribble he doesnt have much.

[coachmac87]

It's amazing how shitty the packages for established stars have been.

Yeah I think that's been slept on tbh..Like the Boogie, George, Butler return value has been dog shit...

You can honestly make the argument Kyrie is the worst out of those players listed yet..some people and maybe the Cavs think they're gonna get a kings ransom lol

[sasaint]

Yeah I think that's been slept on tbh..Like the Boogie, George, Butler return value has been dog shit...

You can honestly make the argument Kyrie is the worst out of those players listed yet..some people and maybe the Cavs think they're gonna get a kings ransom lol

I don't think it is arguable. It will be very interesting to see what the Cavs get.

I wonder if PATFO are working on something - just not Kyrie.

[KDKSpurs24]

Chances are very slim.

[TD 21]

Yeah I think that's been slept on tbh..Like the Boogie, George, Butler return value has been dog shit...

You can honestly make the argument Kyrie is the worst out of those players listed yet..some people and maybe the Cavs think they're gonna get a kings ransom lol

They're better all around players, but Irving is by far the biggest star, so he helps the business side too; which is an especially important consideration for markets like Denver, Minnesota, Phoenix, etc.

He also plays for one of the 2 most publicized teams in the league, his return likely plays a part in where arguably the 2nd best player ever goes in '18 and he'll be traded after those teams got ridiculed for the returns of the players you mentioned, so don't discount the amount of public pressure involved here as well.

[szkorhetz]

They're better all around players, but Irving is by far the biggest star, so he helps the business side too; which is an especially important consideration for markets like Denver, Minnesota, Phoenix, etc.

He also plays for one of the 2 most publicized teams in the league, his return likely plays a part in where arguably the 2nd best player ever goes in '18 and he'll be traded after those teams got ridiculed for the returns of the players you mentioned, so don't discount the amount of public pressure involved here as well.
James>>Dad Killer, TBH.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Landing Kyrie would be the redemption of redemptions for PATFO this off season.

[Spurs9]

We aren't getting him.

[coachmac87]

They're better all around players, but Irving is by far the biggest star, so he helps the business side too; which is an especially important consideration for markets like Denver, Minnesota, Phoenix, etc.

He also plays for one of the 2 most publicized teams in the league, his return likely plays a part in where arguably the 2nd best player ever goes in '18 and he'll be traded after those teams got ridiculed for the returns of the players you mentioned, so don't discount the amount of public pressure involved here as well.


Not sure what your stance on this whole thing is...

But if I'm the Cavs what I want return is flexibility..I do want good players/player who I can plug in and help me contend THIS year and a player or asset who has long term potential. I dunno who falls in that category but I'd like someone who is expiring or has an option.

[kobyz]

LMA and Green in some concept for ky?

[Keepin' it real]

When is the press conference to introduce Kyrie as a Spur? Tomorrow?

[SpursBig3s]

Say what you want about Wiggins, but if Thibodeau is willing to relent, they win. I could see it, too: Wiggins isn't Thibodeau's type and there's a lot of overlap between Butler and him. Could also see Thibodeau, if not having interest, at least being okay with taking Shumpert's contract, in part because they'd need a wing back anyway.

Teague (I realize he can't be traded until December 15th) would have to be in it as well. Rose isn't good enough to start for an elite team and would be a terrible fit alongside James and Wiggins and Teague is too good/expensive to play 15-20 mpg backing up and playing spot minutes alongside Irving.

So Wiggins, Teague for Irving, Shumpert.


Teague can't be traded until December...

[TD 21]

Not sure what your stance on this whole thing is...

But if I'm the Cavs what I want return is flexibility..I do want good players/player who I can plug in and help me contend THIS year and a player or asset who has long term potential. I dunno who falls in that category but I'd like someone who is expiring or has an option.

If the situation is irreparable with Irving, then the trade I outlined is the one I'm looking to make and I say that as someone who despises Wiggins' game and sees him as more the next DeRozan than Butler or George. Overall, it checks too many boxes though, both in the present and future, whether James stays or leaves.

It's better than draft picks and flexibility because they'd just be hoping to get a player like Wiggins with a high pick and (if James leaves) sign a player like Teague with flexibility. So take the sure things, have a team that would still likely make the '18 Finals and if James does leave, that's still capable of making the playoffs and hope to retain as much of the fan base as possible.

[coachmac87]

If the situation is irreparable with Irving, then the trade I outlined is the one I'm looking to make and I say that as someone who despises Wiggins' game and sees him as more the next DeRozan than Butler or George. Overall, it checks too many boxes though, both in the present and future, whether James stays or leaves.

It's better than draft picks and flexibility because they'd just be hoping to get a player like Wiggins with a high pick and (if James leaves) sign a player like Teague with flexibility. So take the sure things, have a team that would still likely make the '18 Finals and if James does leave, that's still capable of making the playoffs and hope to retain as much of the fan base as possible.



Hmmm. If I'm Cavs I dunno if I'm committing to Teague..especially if I already have Rose by the balls. The Cavs lose again this season they CANNOT go let's "run it back".

[TimDunkem]

Teague can't be traded until December...
They're in no rush to trade Kyrie. They can wait if nothing better comes along until then.

[TD 21]

Hmmm. If I'm Cavs I dunno if I'm committing to Teague..especially if I already have Rose by the balls. The Cavs lose again this season they CANNOT go let's "run it back".

Rose sucks and is a 1 year stopgap because they could get him for the minimum and James apparently wanted him, so they figured "what the hell?". Teague is an average starter, a decent enough shooter to play off of James and obviously has a low enough ego to accept essentially being the fourth option offensively or he probably wouldn't have signed with Timberwolves. Throw in the difference between his and Shumpert's contracts and it would be more like 2+/$35M for him.

There's nothing Cavaliers can do to get to Warriors' level. The best that can be hoped for, is maintaining status quo, while improving their future outlook and this trade would accomplish both.

[coachmac87]

Rose sucks and is a 1 year stopgap because they could get him for the minimum and James apparently wanted him, so they figured "what the hell?". Teague is an average starter, a decent enough shooter to play off of James and obviously has a low enough ego to accept essentially being the fourth option offensively or he probably wouldn't have signed with Timberwolves. Throw in the difference between his and Shumpert's contracts and it would be more like 2+/$35M for him.

There's nothing Cavaliers can do to get to Warriors' level. The best that can be hoped for, is maintaining status quo, while improving their future outlook and this trade would accomplish both.


Rose may suck but he's still a bigger star..I agree there's nothing the Cavs can do to catch the Warriors...but that's exactly why I don't commit 2-3 years to Teague...especially if a LeBron is gone. If I'm rebuilding I don't want to pay a player like Teague 20M...

[SAGirl]

Apparently Eric Bledsoe is practicing with Lebron and D Rose.

good scoop crazymad :tu

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[TD 21]

Rose may suck but he's still a bigger star..I agree there's nothing the Cavs can do to catch the Warriors...but that's exactly why I don't commit 2-3 years to Teague...especially if a LeBron is gone. If I'm rebuilding I don't want to pay a player like Teague 20M...

Rose being a bigger star is irrelevant in this case. They're not some long suffering market that's trying to sell more tickets.

You've got to spend at least 90% of the cap anyway and they'll need a starting PG back, which unless it's on a rookie contract, costs significant money.

I doubt they'd want to re-build; teams usually do that when they have no choice. Like I said, they'd probably want to maintain as much of the momentum with their fan base as possible. Besides, re-building teams are hoping to draft the likes of Love, Wiggins, Teague and Thompson anyway (of course, you'd hope for a better core, but it's unlikely and sure as hell beats being the next Magic, Kings, etc., who are perpetually in the cellar, with little to show for it).

[SAGirl]

Apparently Cavs having a worse offseason than the Spurs. Something to celebrate.
:flag:
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[spurs10]

When is the press conference to introduce Kyrie as a Spur? Tomorrow? Build it they will come! Optimism doesn't hurt......most of the time.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFrxeMGWsAAelWl.jpg:large

[BillMc]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFrxeMGWsAAelWl.jpg:large

This actually should be a picture of Dan Gilbert as Kyrie has no say in where he goes. :lol

[Ice009]

This actually should be a picture of Dan Gilbert as Kyrie has no say in where he goes. :lol

Why wouldn't he have a say? Didn't Carmelo force his way to New York when he was in Denver? I don't recall if he had a no trade clause in Denver.

Can't Kyrie simply refuse to play for any other team apart from the ones on his list? Can't his people put it out there so that those teams low ball with their offers?

[spurs10]

Why wouldn't he have a say? Didn't Carmelo force his way to New York when he was in Denver? I don't recall if he had a no trade clause in Denver.

Can't Kyrie simply refuse to play for any other team apart from the ones on his list? Can't his people put it out there so that those teams low ball with their offers? I don't think there is much Kyrie can do if they want to trade him, but teams are surely concerned that star players coming their way are coming to win.

[BillMc]

Why wouldn't he have a say? Didn't Carmelo force his way to New York when he was in Denver? I don't recall if he had a no trade clause in Denver.

Can't Kyrie simply refuse to play for any other team apart from the ones on his list? Can't his people put it out there so that those teams low ball with their offers?

If he refuses to play, he won't get paid and can even be sued. The only thing he can say is he'll refuse to resign with a given team. But as his contract is for two more years, that doesn't carry much weight.

Melo did not have a no trade clause on his deal with Denver. I think though he was in the last year of his contract so the "I won't resign with anyone other than NY" was a lot more potent than Kyrie's situation with multiple years left on his current deal.

[cjw]

Why wouldn't he have a say? Didn't Carmelo force his way to New York when he was in Denver? I don't recall if he had a no trade clause in Denver.

Can't Kyrie simply refuse to play for any other team apart from the ones on his list? Can't his people put it out there so that those teams low ball with their offers?

Melo was a FA in the offseason and made it clear where he would sign (the Knicks in first place by wide margin). Irving has two years left on his deal, so way less control. Though teams may not mortgage everything to get him if they don't think he'll re-sign, so it could help the Spurs' and other teams he likes.

Knicks aren't trading KP and have nothing else the Cavs would value (Melo alone doesn't get it done, but maybe Melo plus absorbing Shumpert's deal). Minnesota should deal Wiggins for him but won't. They don't have the pieces to make a deal work as Butler and Towns aren't moving. Teague is probably overpaid and can't be dealt yet. Miami and Dragic is interesting. Phoenix - who knows? With Knight out for the year, they may try tanking again. But swapping Kyrie for Bledsoe+ is probably the best deal on the table.

If Spurs do Green and involve a third team (Suns) to send assets for Aldridge, that plus Murray may trump other offers.

[TimDunkem]

Melo was a FA in the offseason and made it clear where he would sign (the Knicks in first place by wide margin). Irving has two years left on his deal, so way less control. Though teams may not mortgage everything to get him if they don't think he'll re-sign, so it could help the Spurs' and other teams he likes.

Knicks aren't trading KP and have nothing else the Cavs would value (Melo alone doesn't get it done, but maybe Melo plus absorbing Shumpert's deal). Minnesota should deal Wiggins for him but won't. They don't have the pieces to make a deal work as Butler and Towns aren't moving. Teague is probably overpaid and can't be dealt yet. Miami and Dragic is interesting. Phoenix - who knows? With Knight out for the year, they may try tanking again. But swapping Kyrie for Bledsoe+ is probably the best deal on the table.

If Spurs do Green and involve a third team (Suns) to send assets for Aldridge, that plus Murray may trump other offers.
I really don't see Riley wanting to help a LeBron team get rid of Irving, and don't see Cleveland wanting to make a Miami team stronger. Miami and NY were just teams Kyrie likely threw in only because of their location.

[lmbebo]

They say NY because its close to him, but then Brooklyn should be there too ...

[Xevious]

We aren't getting him.

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[kaji157]

A player can always force a destination, because before the trade happens the owning team will allow the trade partner to contact him and he can clearly tell them. «i don't want to play for you, trade for me if you want but all you ate e going to get are subpar performance. And i won't resign»

[TheDoctor]

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What a fucking drama. This is getting ridiculous.

[BillMc]

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This "no contact" BS better not inspire LMA to do the same. :ihit

[look_at_g_shred]

This "no contact" BS better not inspire LMA to do the same. :ihit
You know as time draws on, I actually can't wait to see a pissed off LMA! Should work in our favor.

[BillMc]

You know as time draws on, I actually can't wait to see a pissed off LMA! Should work in our favor.

Agreed. It could go either way. He might be the best we've seen him or the worst.

[BatManu20]

Suns or bust imo.

[BatManu20]

Or Minny.

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Doesn't sound like he's gotten over himself. Spurs, most likely, not interested.

[Seventyniner]

I'm swaying towards the side that isn't willing to give up all of Aldridge, Green, Murray, and a 1st-rounder. That's a ton to give up and there's no guarantee Kyrie won't pull this same shit in San Antonio.

[SAGirl]

Doesn't sound like he's gotten over himself. Spurs, most likely, not interested.
I am starting to agree. Once Spurs couldn't swing the trade they proposed way back around the draft we haven't heard any rumors... this is like Rose. All this drama must be turning the Spurs off. Even LMA rumors didn't reach this drama.

[SAGirl]

I'm swaying towards the side that isn't willing to give up all of Aldridge, Green, Murray, and a 1st-rounder. That's a ton to give up and there's no guarantee Kyrie won't pull this same shit in San Antonio.
True. The longer this goes on the less likely Cavs get the kings ransom. Gilbert should've taken the trades Griffin negotiated.

[Maddog]

I'm swaying towards the side that isn't willing to give up all of Aldridge, Green, Murray, and a 1st-rounder. That's a ton to give up and there's no guarantee Kyrie won't pull this same shit in San Antonio.

I doubt the Spurs have even inquired, or if they have it's been cursory at best.
A player disgruntled playing for a team that is virtually guaranteed to make it to the finals year in and year out?

A player that demands the ball and chucks up shots like crazy (see Lowe article) and plays no D?

He is going to eat up a lot of cap space.

[mookie2001]

So we don't want kyrie because he wants to leave Cleveland?

[TheDoctor]

For the record, I want Kyrie Irving, Boogie and Giannis. I wanted KD, CP3, Hayward and PG13 too. Didn't want Jason Kidd tho'.

[8FOR!3]

I doubt the Spurs have even inquired, or if they have it's been cursory at best.
A player disgruntled playing for a team that is virtually guaranteed to make it to the finals year in and year out?

A player that demands the ball and chucks up shots like crazy (see Lowe article) and plays no D?

He is going to eat up a lot of cap space.

He's disgruntled bc he knows lebron is leaving after this year

[noles1983]

I'm swaying towards the side that isn't willing to give up all of Aldridge, Green, Murray, and a 1st-rounder. That's a ton to give up and there's no guarantee Kyrie won't pull this same shit in San Antonio.

1st round pick would be late round, dont need murray anymore if we get kyrie, aldridge is a cancer who will leave anyways, green is a one trick pony and an offensive liability. Dont think its giving up too much.

[Seventyniner]

1st round pick would be late round, dont need murray anymore if we get kyrie, aldridge is a cancer who will leave anyways, green is a one trick pony and an offensive liability. Dont think its giving up too much.


Agree about Murray, he's the easiest to give up. He seems to get along well with LeBron and is enough of an upside prospect to matter to the Cavs
Mostly agree about the pick, but even late firsts have value, especially to a FO that does a pretty good job drafting from that position
Disagree about Aldridge, Kyrie is already a demonstrably worse cancer. The Spurs are also short on bigs and Aldridge is a good defender. His value on offense would go up with less pressure on him too, imo
Hugely disagree about Green, he is an elite defender and on offense plays really well off an elite drive-and-kick PG


If the Spurs can get Kyrie while keeping Aldridge and Green, I would take almost any deal. Giving up both is too much to swallow unless it somehow means getting a pick instead of giving one up.

[Chillen]

If Spurs are not interested in trading for Kyrie and have not even contacted the Cavs, someone isn't doing their job right and should be fired. This isn't a bible chapel, it's a basketball team and if it makes the team better pursue at all costs.

[TheGreatYacht]

Rose begged the Spurs to sign him, and they didn't. Doubt Drunkford has even woken up yet much less called the Cavs.

Spurs like what they have in $50,000,000 Pity and soon to be paid Tony Parker

[Big Empty]

If Spurs are not interested in trading for Kyrie and have not even contacted the Cavs, someone isn't doing their job right and should be fired. This isn't a bible chapel, it's a basketball team and if it makes the team better pursue at all costs.

Kawhi and Kyie could keep us relevant for years to come. Also would assist in attracting other free agents. Im willing to part with LaMarcus for that.

[RiverwalkParade]

We're not trading for Kyrie. Rose had SA as his first choice and we didn't even want him for 2.1M. This tells me we are hanging on to and developing Murray. We might still move LMA, but it will be for diminished returns unless it happens mid season.

[Ice009]

If Spurs are not interested in trading for Kyrie and have not even contacted the Cavs, someone isn't doing their job right and should be fired. This isn't a bible chapel, it's a basketball team and if it makes the team better pursue at all costs.

Yep, if they're not at least trying, then this whole FO needs to be fired for that and the irresponsible moves they've made this off-season by overpaying Patty and Pau.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

We're not trading for Kyrie. Rose had SA as his first choice and we didn't even want him for 2.1M. This tells me we are hanging on to and developing Murray. We might still move LMA, but it will be for diminished returns unless it happens mid season.

Or it could be they didn't want to pay an often injured guard to replace an injured guard.

But agree on Kyrie. Looks like Pop and R.C. are content to run it back with this year's team, hanging their hat on the 'we were up in Oakland until Kawhi went down.'

That's been pretty M.O. for them on deep playoff runs / title runs. They bring the band back for another run, get crushed, then decide to retool.

[Ice009]

Or it could be they didn't want to pay an often injured guard to replace an injured guard.

But agree on Kyrie. Looks like Pop and R.C. are content to run it back with this year's team, hanging their hat on the 'we were up in Oakland until Kawhi went down.'

That's been pretty M.O. for them on deep playoff runs / title runs. They bring the band back for another run, get crushed, then decide to retool.

Yep, they love trying to fit square pegs in round holes and they when they finally realize it doesn't work, they'll try and do what they should have done in the first place.

Peter or Julianna Holt needs to step in and put a stop to some of these deals.

[RLT]

We're not trading for Kyrie. Rose had SA as his first choice and we didn't even want him for 2.1M. This tells me we are hanging on to and developing Murray. We might still move LMA, but it will be for diminished returns unless it happens mid season.

Or they're holding out for Lbj. If we get Kylie Irving Jenner, that possibility goes out the window for sure. This is assuming Lbj grows up and realizes he would win not 2, not 3 so on and so forth. And yes, we will not let Lma go for nothing.

[Ice009]

Or they're holding out for Lbj. If we get Kylie Irving Jenner, that possibility goes out the window for sure. This is assuming Lbj grows up and realizes he would win not 2, not 3 so on and so forth. And yes, we will not let Lma go for nothing.

How are you going to entice LBJ to come to the Spurs if you keep wasting the money on scrubs? You're going to want max flexibility to build a great team around him and Kawhi. You can't do that if you waste all the money on scrubs and washed up players. Most of this free agency period has been handled with gross incompetence by the Spurs FO.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

ESPN reporting that Kyrie "very badly" wants to join the Knicks, for whatever that's worth.

[.G.]

ESPN should just fucking die already. Silly jews.

[SPURt]

Or Minny.

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If I am the Wolves I keep Wiggins. Talent at his position is more valuable and he is three years younger. They've had a great off season, moving Wiggins for Irving would be seriously over thinking it.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

If Kyrie really wants to waste his prime in NYC, so be it.


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[exstatic]

So we don't want kyrie because he wants to leave LeBron?
FIFY

Seriously, this is all about LeBron wanting to trade Kyrie early in the FA period for PG or Butler behind his back. Kyrie simply decided to not leave his fate in LeBrons hands. I'll take that kind of disgruntled any day.

[TimDunkem]

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He doesn't look very happy.

A glimpse into the future.

[BatManu20]

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[RLT]

How are you going to entice LBJ to come to the Spurs if you keep wasting the money on scrubs? You're going to want max flexibility to build a great team around him and Kawhi. You can't do that if you waste all the money on scrubs and washed up players. Most of this free agency period has been handled with gross incompetence by the Spurs FO.

Pop and Kawhi is really all you need to entice him. They will always be able to figure out the money part when the time comes. Another thing that doesnt often get talked about is the Spurs connections around the league, making it easier. Ala Tiago.

Dont forget about Rudy. 2 years with a player option. If he recovers fully from his injury and performs well, it's a steal. If not and opts in, we can trade his expiring contract. Also, if he plays well and opts in, that's Lbj, KL, and RG in the lineup.

Regardless, we'll have flexibility if they want it. They know what they're doing, dude.

[ElNono]

This guy still looking for a team? smh

[BillMc]

He doesn't look very happy.

A glimpse into the future.
:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

If Kyrie really wants to waste his prime in NYC, so be it.


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Like that nobody has a source :lmao

Just saw his twitter, he's a Knicks fan

[Spurtacular]

This is going 100 pages if Kyrie isn't traded before September.

[BillMc]

Pop and Kawhi is really all you need to entice him. They will always be able to figure out the money part when the time comes. Another thing that doesnt often get talked about is the Spurs connections around the league, making it easier. Ala Tiago.

Dont forget about Rudy. 2 years with a player option. If he recovers fully from his injury and performs well, it's a steal. If not and opts in, we can trade his expiring contract. Also, if he plays well and opts in, that's Lbj, KL, and RG in the lineup.

Regardless, we'll have flexibility if they want it. They know what they're doing, dude.
Bold this man immediately.

[noles1983]

Agree about Murray, he's the easiest to give up. He seems to get along well with LeBron and is enough of an upside prospect to matter to the Cavs
Mostly agree about the pick, but even late firsts have value, especially to a FO that does a pretty good job drafting from that position
Disagree about Aldridge, Kyrie is already a demonstrably worse cancer. The Spurs are also short on bigs and Aldridge is a good defender. His value on offense would go up with less pressure on him too, imo
Hugely disagree about Green, he is an elite defender and on offense plays really well off an elite drive-and-kick PG


If the Spurs can get Kyrie while keeping Aldridge and Green, I would take almost any deal. Giving up both is too much to swallow unless it somehow means getting a pick instead of giving one up.

We no longer have a drive and kick pg, so even if green stays he is useless on offense. You dont know how Kyrie dynamic would work on Spurs, we already know that shitty LMA is a proven cancer. I would take my chances. Give me a shooting guard who can actually shoot and play passable defense over a declining 30yr old Green any day.

[SAGirl]

Agree about Murray, he's the easiest to give up. He seems to get along well with LeBron and is enough of an upside prospect to matter to the Cavs
Mostly agree about the pick, but even late firsts have value, especially to a FO that does a pretty good job drafting from that position
Disagree about Aldridge, Kyrie is already a demonstrably worse cancer. The Spurs are also short on bigs and Aldridge is a good defender. His value on offense would go up with less pressure on him too, imo
Hugely disagree about Green, he is an elite defender and on offense plays really well off an elite drive-and-kick PG


If the Spurs can get Kyrie while keeping Aldridge and Green, I would take almost any deal. Giving up both is too much to swallow unless it somehow means getting a pick instead of giving one up.
You obviously know that just giving up Murray and pick is absolutely not enough. I suspect the Spurs had offered Danny and pick and it didn't get done, either.

[SAGirl]

We're not trading for Kyrie. Rose had SA as his first choice and we didn't even want him for 2.1M. This tells me we are hanging on to and developing Murray. We might still move LMA, but it will be for diminished returns unless it happens mid season.

That's a good point.

I like Murray a lot, but I had hoped to see him look better in summer league than he did. He's an inefficient scorer, who can't shoot with a careless high dribble. He looks to be at least a season away from being a rotation player by merit. Bc him subbing in for someone that is injured is not a big deal. Cojo started almost half a season and took up a lot of minutes in 2014-15 when both Tony and Mills were injured and that still did not mean he had earned a rotation spot. Murray is at least a season away, depending on how that shooting is being developed, and handles. He's also still turning the ball over almost as much as he has assists and maybe more. He's not ready tbh and it will not help his "get over yourself" to be handed keys to anything without him earning it. Even beating out Forbes, Paul or others for playing time has to be earned. I do think he has talent and will be impactful defensively which will get him playing time, but then that becomes dependent on how solid he's looking at the offensive part of his game, where he has been a trainwreck.

[Trueblood]

This is going 100 pages if Kyrie isn't traded before September.

I don't know what's worse, the 50 pages wasted on a guy who probably isn't coming or the fact that I keep checking it...

[Ron Swanson]

Knicks :lol

Shit-ass franchise hasn't done dick since we waxed them in '99.

[Canyonero]

We should get Lapro back imho.

[Spur|n|Austin]

I don't know what's worse, the 50 pages wasted on a guy who probably isn't coming or the fact that I keep checking it...

[TheDoctor]

I don't know what's worse, the 50 pages wasted on a guy who probably isn't coming or the fact that I keep checking it...
LMAOOOO :lmao

So true, hahahaha.

[SupremeGuy]

I don't know what's worse, the 50 pages wasted on a guy who probably isn't coming or the fact that I keep checking it...It's not funny when it's true bro :cry

[poop]

Trade Pop for irving

[UZER]

If Kyrie really wants to waste his prime in NYC, so be it.


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Alex Kennedy wants very badly for Kyrie Irving to very badly want to be a New York Knick.

That's probably more accurate.

[kxs783kms]

I don't know what's worse, the 50 pages wasted on a guy who probably isn't coming or the fact that I keep checking it...

This

[mookie2001]

Thank you to the multiple posters giving us page counts. Keep it up

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imo, not getting Irving or Rose is a blessing in disguise. Rose is done and apparently not very bright, I doubt he'd flourish under Pop. I was surprised to see some posters here still wanted him. Kyrie, on the other hand, is a cold-blooded scoring machine but he only plays one side of the ball. Oh yeah, did I mention he's full of himself and thinks he's better than he really is? (Mamba Mentality :lol) Sounds like a cancer to me. If he really wants a team of his own, it would only be a matter of time before he gets jealous of Kawhi. Same if he ends up in Minnesota where KAT is clearly the best player.

[ginobilized]

imo, not getting Irving or Rose is a blessing in disguise. Rose is done and apparently not very bright, I doubt he'd flourish under Pop. I was surprised to see some posters here still wanted him. Kyrie, on the other hand, is a cold-blooded scoring machine but he only plays one side of the ball. Oh yeah, did I mention he's full of himself and thinks he's better than he really is? (Mamba Mentality :lol) Sounds like a cancer to me. If he really wants a team of his own, it would only be a matter of time before he gets jealous of Kawhi. Same if he ends up in Minnesota where KAT is clearly the best player.

I'm starting to agree. Good take!

[gospursgojas]

In before 51

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imo, not getting Irving or Rose is a blessing in disguise. Rose is done and apparently not very bright, I doubt he'd flourish under Pop. I was surprised to see some posters here still wanted him. Kyrie, on the other hand, is a cold-blooded scoring machine but he only plays one side of the ball. Oh yeah, did I mention he's full of himself and thinks he's better than he really is? (Mamba Mentality :lol) Sounds like a cancer to me. If he really wants a team of his own, it would only be a matter of time before he gets jealous of Kawhi. Same if he ends up in Minnesota where KAT is clearly the best player.

yes it a blessing
you would make a good senator

[daledondale]

In before 51

[sasaint]

imo, not getting Irving or Rose is a blessing in disguise. Rose is done and apparently not very bright, I doubt he'd flourish under Pop. I was surprised to see some posters here still wanted him. Kyrie, on the other hand, is a cold-blooded scoring machine but he only plays one side of the ball. Oh yeah, did I mention he's full of himself and thinks he's better than he really is? (Mamba Mentality :lol) Sounds like a cancer to me. If he really wants a team of his own, it would only be a matter of time before he gets jealous of Kawhi. Same if he ends up in Minnesota where KAT is clearly the best player.

Clear truth about Rose. I also tend to agree with your take on Kyrie. Whether he could adapt to Pop, the Spurs' way, and Kawhi's presence are interesting and (likely) hypothetical questions.

With all of the smoke surrounding Kyrie, I do wonder if the Spurs might be working on a completely different trade. Surely PATFO doesn't plan to take the current roster into the regular season...?!

[Phenomanul]

The whole, "I want to be my own man" was leaked by Lebron's people tbh... the writing is on the wall. Kyrie didn't like the fact that he was offered as trade bait, because LeBron wanted Butler or Paul George... so rather than be left stranded on a team that isn't suitable to his skill set (when LeBron inevitably leaves next season) he is choosing to face a different prospect elsewhere...

"You can't leave me if I leave you first"

[Hoops Czar]

In before 51

Not even halfway to this 132 page juggernaut.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236782&highlight=spurs+contact+pau+gasol

[TimDunkem]

Surely PATFO doesn't plan to take the current roster into the regular season...?!
http://i.imgur.com/RQsC8dW.png

:nerd

[baseline bum]

Agree about Murray, he's the easiest to give up. He seems to get along well with LeBron and is enough of an upside prospect to matter to the Cavs
Mostly agree about the pick, but even late firsts have value, especially to a FO that does a pretty good job drafting from that position
Disagree about Aldridge, Kyrie is already a demonstrably worse cancer. The Spurs are also short on bigs and Aldridge is a good defender. His value on offense would go up with less pressure on him too, imo
Hugely disagree about Green, he is an elite defender and on offense plays really well off an elite drive-and-kick PG


If the Spurs can get Kyrie while keeping Aldridge and Green, I would take almost any deal. Giving up both is too much to swallow unless it somehow means getting a pick instead of giving one up.

Aldridge is gone next summer if not sooner. The Spurs have a lot of point guards but none of them are any good, so I don't buy that Aldridge is a better fit. Plus Irving is 25 while Aldridge is 32 and declining. I don't care much about next year since GSW is repeating unless Curry or Durant is out for the WCF or the Finals. Irving is a piece to build around to be back in title contention in a couple of years.

And I love Green, but he's much easier to replace than it is to get a player of Irving's caliber. I would without hesitating trade Green, a 2018 first, Murray, and Aldridge for Irving and Shumpert even though I hate Shumpert's game and his contract is awful.

[tim_duncan_fan]

If Kyrie's problem is that he wants to be the guy, I don't think we want him here, ultimately.