Report: Kyrie Irving Asked Cavs to Trade Him

[coachmac87]

lol look at this depth chart.
for the record I wanted Kyrie. Spurs need talent at the guard spots and are in a fishing expedition, while expecting huge contributions in the playoffs from a guy with a ruptured Quad, a legend who is already 40 and will be nearing 41 at the time, and a forward who suffered a career killing achilles injury... but sure guys think Kyle Anderson won't find playing time.... lets give him away for free.. spurstalk
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Id put Green in the wing category tbh..yeah he can start at SG but I can see him playing a lot of back up SF with the bench unit as well

[SAGirl]

Id put Green in the wing category tbh..yeah he can start at SG but I can see him playing a lot of back up SF with the bench unit as well

It's not my list but can't blame the way he rostered it... Green's lion share of minutes is at the SG spot no doubt about that.

[DPG21920]

An idiot deserves an idiot response. As I said, who's offering two starters (one with championship experience) and a young prospect with the potential to start?

We should do a poll and ask the forum who is an idiot. If I lose, I'm gone forever, if you lose you are gone forever - Deal?

[spurs10]

You could say he almost looks like Kobe Bryant in that pic. I thought it was Kobe! :lol
Isn't that a Laker logo on his hat?

[dabom]

We should do a poll and ask the forum who is an idiot. If I lose, I'm gone forever, if you lose you are gone forever - Deal?

Let's do it. I'm ready. :lol

Make the thread.

[dabom]

And no alts. Show the voters too. :lol

[mookie2001]

cliffs on this Dpg poll? who wants kyrie and who doesn't?

[MultiTroll]

Spurfan,
Who would you rather have, LeBron or Kyrie?

[BatManu20]

Spurfan,
Who would you rather have, LeBron or Kyrie?

Lebron, obv.

[RD2191]

We should do a poll and ask the forum who is an idiot. If I lose, I'm gone forever, if you lose you are gone forever - Deal?

Umm no, idiot.

[DPG21920]

cliffs on this Dpg poll? who wants kyrie and who doesn't?

RDSh*tposter asked a question with no working knowledge of anything outside of SA's team. I provided him an answer he didn't like and then he acted like a baby about it.

We both want Kyrie; one of us just is a realist about the situation and the other is sort of of douche

[DPG21920]

Umm no, idiot.

:lol That's what I thought

[RD2191]

:lol That's what I thought

Not because you're not an idiot though, I have too many haters on this site. Besides, men don't make deals with midgets.

[DPG21920]

Not because you're not an idiot though, I have too many haters on this site. Besides, men don't make deals with midgets.

:lmao Too many haters. It's also cute that as soon as I called you an idiot you started calling me one.

Copying a midget :lmao

[tbdog]

Id put Green in the wing category tbh..yeah he can start at SG but I can see him playing a lot of back up SF with the bench unit as well

The biggest misconception is Green can guard sf. He can't. He is not a strong player.

[Chinook]

You're overthinking this and acting like Leonard and Irving are old and this all has to be put together next season. Obviously, the timing wouldn't be ideal for any team, but who gives a shit? Get the star who's part of the all important in crowd and can recruit a third eventually and become a prime destination for ring chasing veteran's willing to take the minimum. Plus, they've repeatedly shown they can find back end rotation players.

They have to get it done this year or next. There is no guarantee that Kyrie is a long-term play. Even if he is, he's going to have to be massively overpaid. Irving isn't a superstar. He's a glass cannon. People are giving his this huge impact, but he should be the third member of a Big Three. I would indeed hope that the team could sign a guy like Cousins and agree to extensions for the other two next summer. But it's too much up in the air. In the meantime, he doesn't move the needle.

The Spurs are great at finding back-end guys, but they keep their key role-players for so long because they know it's not easy to find them. Guys like Bowen took them years to replace. Don't confuse Green and LMA for Neal or Simmons.

[Chinook]

The biggest misconception is Green can guard sf. He can't. He is not a strong player.

He's been great defensively at the three. The misconception is on your end, not everyone else's.

[SAGirl]

The biggest misconception is Green can guard sf. He can't. He is not a strong player.

I didn't want to engage in a discussion with coachmac87 about Green bc his agenda is that he just hates Anderson.
Truth is Green is the starting SG... if he wants him at the backup SF spot who is he starting? rookies? Manu? yea right... dude doesn't want to see Anderson play is all... I don't think he likes Danny either.

Coachmac87=One of those smart Kevin Martin and Jsimms fans. :lmao:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

I didn't want to engage in a discussion with coachmac87 about Green bc his agenda is that he just hates Anderson.
Truth is Green is the starting SG... if he wants him at the backup SF spot who is he starting? rookies? Manu? yea right... dude doesn't want to see Anderson play is all... I don't think he likes Danny either.

Coachmac87=One of those smart Kevin Martin and Jsimms fans. :lmao:lol
Still salty about Simmons outplaying cranium, I see. Lmfao salty is not a good look

[Taking it to the Hole]

If I am a betting man, I just don't see RC being able to pull off a deal of this magnitude. I can genuinely see Irving going to New York and playing with Carmelo seeing how bad he wanted to go to Cleveland. I don't know if Irving is genuinely serious about wanting to come to such a small market like ours. I don't see him as a high society type of guy but you never know. If it is just about winning, he would have given a much shorter list because out of the teams he listed, we are the only team in serious contention for a championship.

[SAGirl]

He's been great defensively at the three. The misconception is on your end, not everyone else's.

You know coachmac87 subtle angle is that he sees Danny as a backup player anyway and wants someone else starting.

dude must be in mourning about JSimms signing in Orlando and Kevin Martin retiring. :lol

[Chinook]

You know coachmac87 subtle angle is that he sees Danny as a backup player anyway and wants someone else starting.

dude must be in mourning about JSimms signing in Orlando and Kevin Martin retiring. :lol

I don't think Coach was saying anything about Kyle or Green with his statement. I agree with him. Green may get SF minutes. With Gay there too, it's not a need, but if the Spurs have to go small for a whole series, I could see him and Manu having some time together.

[RD2191]

:lmao Too many haters. It's also cute that as soon as I called you an idiot you started calling me one.

Copying a midget :lmao

You called me an idiot because you're an insecure little man.

[SAGirl]

If I am a betting man, I just don't see RC being able to pull off a deal of this magnitude. I can genuinely see Irving going to New York and playing with Carmelo seeing how bad he wanted to go to Cleveland. I don't know if Irving is genuinely serious about wanting to come to such a small market like ours. I don't see him as a high society type of guy but you never know. If it is just about winning, he would have given a much shorter list because out of the teams he listed, we are the only team in serious contention for a championship.

It's not necessarily furious. Lebron is leaving Cleveland and Kyrie has seen that team was built to fit Lebron and allow him to succeed. They gave large contracts to guys that Lebron wanted etc. When Lebron leaves they will be a lottery team and Kyrie's value will decrease when they are floundering, plus teams will be loathe to give up much for him when they know he is on his last year of his contract. Kind of like the Lamarcus situation. I think he has seen the writing on the wall. Lebron just can't be trusted, one day he will say let's do this, the other he's going to be gone with an essay in the Player's Tribune without advance warning. Listen if he did that to DWade his personal friend and Bosh.. Kyrie is nothing to him... so Kyrie decided to see if he could bolt before all that goes down.

[SAGirl]

I don't think Coach was saying anything about Kyle or Green with his statement. I agree with him. Green may get SF minutes. With Gay there too, it's not a need, but if the Spurs have to go small for a whole series, I could see him and Manu having some time together.
I wouldn't encourage him to engage coachmac87 who is a known Anderson troll, plus I don't think he really cares for Danny either tbh If you see Danny getting A LOT of bench minutes someone else is getting minutes with the SL... I thought that was implied.

[DPG21920]

You called me an idiot because you're an insecure little man.

You have some poor logic. If I am insecure because I called you an idiot does that make you insecure by default since you copied me and called me an idiot?

[Mnky]

Still salty about Simmons outplaying cranium, I see. Lmfao salty is not a good look
They bring up simmons more than anyone else on the board. Almost as much as they mention summer league MVP

[marinoman]

Hopefully kyrie gets traded soon so I don't keep hoping, hell there's a solid chance patfo doesn't want Irving

[coachmac87]

I don't think Coach was saying anything about Kyle or Green with his statement. I agree with him. Green may get SF minutes. With Gay there too, it's not a need, but if the Spurs have to go small for a whole series, I could see him and Manu having some time together.


Thanks for clarifying.

[coachmac87]

You know coachmac87 subtle angle is that he sees Danny as a backup player anyway and wants someone else starting.

dude must be in mourning about JSimms signing in Orlando and Kevin Martin retiring. :lol

I'm not a player fan...

I just call things like I see it...Simmons and Kevin Martin I was actually dead on tbh

[John Petrucci]

Not because you're not an idiot though, I have too many haters on this site. Besides, men don't make deals with midgets.

You've obviously never seen a deal go down in the music industry. Nothing but a bunch of 5'5" to 5'9" guys making tons of deals and running shit.

[coachmac87]

I wouldn't encourage him to engage coachmac87 who is a known Anderson troll, plus I don't think he really cares for Danny either tbh If you see Danny getting A LOT of bench minutes someone else is getting minutes with the SL... I thought that was implied.

I like Kyle Anderson..I see what you see..but his biggest issue is he doesn't have a position and can't shoot..and that's kind of a big problem

[RD2191]

You've obviously never seen a deal go down in the music industry. Nothing but a bunch of 5'5" to 5'9" guys making tons of deals and running shit.

:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

They bring up simmons more than anyone else on the board. Almost as much as they mention summer league MVP
:lmao

They swear Fathead is owed minutes or something lmfao

[SAGirl]

I like Kyle Anderson..I see what you see..but his biggest issue is he doesn't have a position and can't shoot..and that's kind of a big problem
ok coach. you are allowed to switch back and forth as you like tbh.
you been trolling way too much to get me with that line. :lol:toast

[coachmac87]

ok coach. you are allowed to switch back and forth as you like tbh.
you been trolling way too much to get me with that line. :lol:toast

I made ONE trolling comment regarding the $...although there is truth to what I said tbh..

[SAGirl]

I made ONE trolling comment regarding the $...although there is truth to what I said tbh..

there were two at least that I recently remember...
again you can't be hating and then backpedaling and expect me to take you seriously.
you will be proven wrong. Kyle has been playing plenty in the wings in the postseason and regular season already... no need to say anything more than that. Subjective opinions and flag moving will get in the way and I already know where you really stand.
keep on hating tbh.

[coachmac87]

there were two at least that I recently remember...
again you can't be hating and then backpedaling and expect me to take you seriously.
you will be proven wrong. Kyle has been playing plenty in the wings in the postseason and regular season already... no need to say anything more than that. Subjective opinions and flag moving will get in the way and I already know where you really stand.
keep on hating tbh.


I don't hate...I fairly criticize

[Atl Spur]

ok coach. you are allowed to switch back and forth as you like tbh.
you been trolling way too much to get me with that line. :lol:toast

Why do you take things so personal? Maybe Kyle is the star you see but if he ends up being just a guy no one else will be shocked😉

[SAGirl]

Why do you take things so personal? Maybe Kyle is the star you see but if he ends up being just a guy no one else will be shocked
this got way sidetracked a long time ago.. so here is where I step off.

[SAGirl]

I don't hate...I troll
fify
sure coach... :lol

[SAGirl]

The cleveland office is a disaster. They had possibilities to trade Irving for PG or for Jimmy Butler but didn't get those done bc they didn't want to trade Irving and were instead focused on trading K.Love.
Frankly, Cleveland is likely to play this out and see what is the best deal for him. Green isn't going to get get it done even with Murray and a 1st IMO. We shall see what happens. Already disappointed that I don't think this will go down. It's yet another star guard that SA couldn't get.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246983/Cavaliers-Had-Kyrie-Irving-Trade-On-Table-Before-Draft

[timtonymanu]

I'm just laughing at people that got so excited thinking it was possible for him to be traded here. This likely will result in nothing and he will just play out the season in Cleveland. Too many divas in the NBA

[Keepin' it real]

Is it official yet? What's the hold up? Get it done already.

[marinoman]

I'm just laughing at people that got so excited thinking it was possible for him to be traded here. This likely will result in nothing and he will just play out the season in Cleveland. Too many divas in the NBA
Normally I'd agree, but he said he wanted out cause of lebron, that's a tough situation to play through. But yea I doubt we are the ones to get him

[GSH]

Normally I'd agree, but he said he wanted out cause of lebron, that's a tough situation to play through. But yea I doubt we are the ones to get him

LeBron is a great player. But the way he bitched about not having enough talent on the team, and openly calling out Love the way he did? When the trade deadline passed, and the Cavs were "stuck" with guys who understood that LeBron didn't think they were good enough, they were screwed. I don't blame Kyrie for wanting to get out of that. In fact, I like him even more - at least he knows that you can't piss on your teammates.

[marinoman]

LeBron is a great player. But the way he bitched about not having enough talent on the team, and openly calling out Love the way he did? When the trade deadline passed, and the Cavs were "stuck" with guys who understood that LeBron didn't think they were good enough, they were screwed. I don't blame Kyrie for wanting to get out of that. In fact, I like him even more - at least he knows that you can't piss on your teammates.
I agree, and this seems proactive, plus bleacher report on their Instagram is posting vids where kyrie looks upset at lebron little brothering him
Remember that one time, I think a TNT game last year , kyrie had a shit game and kyrie stuck around an empty arena shooting while lebron was sitting in a chair talking to him, I wonder if he was like "this dickhead, he doesn't even let me practice in peace

[outmap]

https://www.facebook.com/officialhoopsnation/posts/1662800093730150

[TimDunkem]

^Sounds like buuuuullshit.

[SAGirl]

BREAKING: Cavs - Spurs discussing a trade that can happen with the help of the Phoenix Suns (https://www.facebook.com/suns/?fref=mentions).
According to Mike Ortiz Jr.
Cleveland Cavaliers (https://www.facebook.com/Cavs/?fref=mentions) will received: Eric Bledsoe - Danny Green - DeJounte Murray and ( 2018 1st rd pick from Spurs )
San Antonio Spurs (https://www.facebook.com/Spurs/?fref=mentions) will received: Kyrie Irving - Iman Shumpert
Phoenix Suns will received: LaMarcus Aldridge
From that facebook link ^
Not a bad trade...
Please Suns fall in love with Lamarcus all over again.

I admit the bigs will be in trouble and not ncessarily a great team next season but if Lamarcus is disgruntled as rumored and wants out.. this is a good of a player as the Spurs can hope to get.

[marinoman]

Why the fuck didn't we get willie reed instead of that joeffry guy

[Stabula]

LeBron is a great player. But the way he bitched about not having enough talent on the team, and openly calling out Love the way he did? When the trade deadline passed, and the Cavs were "stuck" with guys who understood that LeBron didn't think they were good enough, they were screwed. I don't blame Kyrie for wanting to get out of that. In fact, I like him even more - at least he knows that you can't piss on your teammates.

[BillMc]

BREAKING: Cavs - Spurs discussing a trade that can happen with the help of the Phoenix Suns (https://www.facebook.com/suns/?fref=mentions).
According to Mike Ortiz Jr.
Cleveland Cavaliers (https://www.facebook.com/Cavs/?fref=mentions) will received: Eric Bledsoe - Danny Green - DeJounte Murray and ( 2018 1st rd pick from Spurs )
San Antonio Spurs (https://www.facebook.com/Spurs/?fref=mentions) will received: Kyrie Irving - Iman Shumpert
Phoenix Suns will received: LaMarcus Aldridge
From that facebook link ^
Not a bad trade...
Please Suns fall in love with Lamarcus all over again.

I admit the bigs will be in trouble and not ncessarily a great team next season but if Lamarcus is disgruntled as rumored and wants out.. this is a good of a player as the Spurs can hope to get.

Thanks for the scoop. :toast Is this a reliable source?

[dabom]

Thanks for the scoop. :toast Is this a reliable source?

No links. :lol

[BillMc]

No links. :lol

Yeah, but SAG wouldn't troll us would she? My faith in ST would be shattered. :lol

[SAGirl]

Thanks for the scoop. :toast Is this a reliable source?

from a facebook site someone posted the link above. I only check twitter and such... so I don't know... someone posted it. Who knows? Rumors only. It wouldn't surprise me though. The draft day rumors surrounded Danny and LMA and Dejounte we know was in minutes restrictions and retired early from summer league. It seems realistic.

[BillMc]

from a facebook site someone posted the link above. I only check twitter and such... so I don't know... someone posted it. Who knows? Rumors only. It wouldn't surprise me though. The draft day rumors surrounded Danny and LMA and Dejounte we know was in minutes restrictions and retired early from summer league. It seems realistic.

Even if true LMA, Djounte, green and 1 pick are a lot to give up for Irving. And does anyone really want Shumpert?

[Hoops Czar]

Thanks for the scoop. :toast Is this a reliable source?
It's not a fake Twitter account and that Ortiz guy does work for ESPN and does talk basketball. He didn't mention that exact trade proposal from what I saw but did make a blurb about Aldridge and Cleveland.

[dabom]

Yeah, but SAG wouldn't troll us would she? My faith in ST would be shattered. :lol

Facebook link that isn't remotely by a verified person. :lol

[Chillen]

BREAKING: Cavs - Spurs discussing a trade that can happen with the help of the Phoenix Suns (https://www.facebook.com/suns/?fref=mentions).
According to Mike Ortiz Jr.
Cleveland Cavaliers (https://www.facebook.com/Cavs/?fref=mentions) will received: Eric Bledsoe - Danny Green - DeJounte Murray and ( 2018 1st rd pick from Spurs )
San Antonio Spurs (https://www.facebook.com/Spurs/?fref=mentions) will received: Kyrie Irving - Iman Shumpert
Phoenix Suns will received: LaMarcus Aldridge
From that facebook link ^
Not a bad trade...
Please Suns fall in love with Lamarcus all over again.

I admit the bigs will be in trouble and not ncessarily a great team next season but if Lamarcus is disgruntled as rumored and wants out.. this is a good of a player as the Spurs can hope to get.

If it happens good deal for both Cavs and Spurs but for Phoenix they get a star player who wants to be the man. We will see but this keeps Cleveland in NBA title contention and LeBron happy and the Cavs move Kyrie out of the East.

[SAGirl]

Even if true LMA, Djounte, green and 1 pick are a lot to give up for Irving. And does anyone really want Shumpert?

It is, but I realized LMA wants out and needs to be traded or he will walk away for nothing. He wouldn't be in the trade market otherwise IMO and the rumors about him being included in trades were not lies. I feel more for Danny but it's a necessary evil... Dijon wouldn't play with all of Kyrie, Patty (in a 4 year deal), Tony, White and Forbes in the team... He might actually be relieved to be sent to a team like Cleveland that needs all the help it can get with their bench playmaking for example. You either do something like this or stand pat and next season Manu for sure retires bc really... playing until he's 42? No. Tony? Who knows? I hope he's back looking good but he's borderline as a starter coming from this injury etc. Spurs need to do something or will have even less assets to trade in the future. Murray may develop or he may not, you know how it is.. he may never be as good as Kyrie... Spurs would need Shumpert to take some minutes at the wings. All their guards besides Green are rooks or 40 years old or coming back from ruptured quad. I don't know the terms of Shumpert's deal though.

[tbdog]

Even if true LMA, Djounte, green and 1 pick are a lot to give up for Irving. And does anyone really want Shumpert?

If we got Chandler instead, it would be pretty good.

[spurs10]

It's not a fake Twitter account and that Ortiz guy does work for ESPN and does talk basketball. He didn't mention that exact trade proposal from what I saw but did make a blurb about Aldridge and Cleveland. Ortiz does work foe ESPN. When I did a search and read recent tweets I didn't see anything about this. I'm not sure PATFO would give that much up, two maybe three starters and a 1st round pick.

[TimDunkem]

Ortiz does work foe ESPN. When I did a search and read recent tweets I didn't see anything about this. I'm not sure PATFO would give that much up, two maybe three starters and a 1st round pick.Dejounte is not a legitimate starter, and Green is marginally better than Shumpert. It's essentially a LMA for Irving deal. It's possible the Cavs send back another contract too. Maybe Osman?

[mudyez]

Really would rather not give up both Murray and Green.

[Hoops Czar]

Dejounte is not a legitimate starter, and Green is marginally better than Shumpert. It's essentially a LMA for Irving deal. It's possible the Cavs send back another contract too. Maybe Osman?
Um no, Green is not marginally better than Shumpert, He's a lot better. A back court of Paddy and Irving would be appalling defensively and Pau and Laughverne in the front court, good god this defense will suck.

[SAGirl]

Really would rather not give up both Murray and Green.

I think maybe, if they are not outbid (we really don't know other team's offers) I'd hope they could hold onto Green and not have to take on Shumpert. Murray you can part with, he's a PG that wouldn't play anymore, and Green is a win now player with experience and the team's trust. But I assume Cleveland is intent on unloading Shumpert to appease Lebron. While they also hope his friendship with Danny helps him stay.. you know how that is.

[venitian navigator]

Dejounte is not a legitimate starter, and Green is marginally better than Shumpert. It's essentially a LMA for Irving deal. It's possible the Cavs send back another contract too. Maybe Osman?

It works Lma Green and Murray for Irving shumpert and Osman...but only after aug. 16 (because of Osman 30 days for being traded after signing)

[TimDunkem]

Um no, Green is not marginally better than Shumpert, He's a lot better. A back court of Paddy and Irving would be appalling defensively and Pau and Laughverne in the front court, good god this defense will suck.Danny plays only one side of the court now. He is not a lot better. :lol Typical Spurs fans overrating their garbage.

Also, anyone who wouldn't swap Murray for Irving is a complete dumbass.

[Hoops Czar]

Danny plays only one side of the court now. He is not a lot better. :lol Typical Spurs fans overrating their garbage.

Also, anyone who wouldn't swap Murray for Irving is a complete dumbass.

Shumpert isn't good on either side of the court. He gets ethered in both directions. Typical Spurs fans overrating other team's garbage and wishing they had it.

Not sure what Murray has to do with my post. Maybe you should reread the two sentences I posted again.

[TimDunkem]

Shumpert isn't good on either side of the court. He gets ethered in both directions. Typical Spurs fans overrating other team's garbage and wishing they had it.

Not sure what Murray has to do with my post. Maybe you should reread the two sentences I posted again.And Green isn't going to get any better, Hoops Serf. At the very least, Shumpert can possibly learn a thing or two on a team with a great coaching staff. All Green does during the summer is party, get drunk, and come back worse.

Also, I clearly wasn't directing the Murray comment to you. Get over yourself.

[venitian navigator]

if i remember well the cavs were not exactly happy with Tristan Thompson at the end of the season...a trade of Irving Thompson for Murray Alridge Green works on nba trading machine.

[Emperor]

if i remember well the cavs were not exactly happy with Tristan Thompson at the end of the season...a trade of Irving Thompson for Murray Alridge Green works on nba trading machine.

Khloe would veto that trade.

[TimDunkem]

I don't even want Shumpert, but if you can swap him and Irving for Green and Dejounte, you do it. :lol

[tbdog]

I don't even want Shumpert, but if you can swap him and Irving for Green and Dejounte, you do it. :lol

But it is also adding LMA.

[spurs10]

I don't even want Shumpert, but if you can swap him and Irving for Green and Dejounte, you do it. :lol
That would be a killer trade but it doesn't include LMA. Yeah I know Murray only started out of necessity a while last season.

[Hoops Czar]

And Green isn't going to get any better, Hoops Serf. At the very least, Shumpert can possibly learn a thing or two on a team with a great coaching staff. All Green does during the summer is get party, get drunk, and come back worse.

Also, I clearly wasn't directing the Murray comment to you. Get over yourself.

Get off your high horse. All Shumpert does during the Summer is style his hair. Green just turned 30 so to say he can't still improve is pretty pathetic. His offensive game didn't abandon him, the coaching staff switching from a motion offense to halfcourt ISO/post up happy offense did him in, or more specifically, the signing of LMA, the increased usage of Kawhi and Parker's game falling off a cliff. Green is a rhythm shooter and he's most effective when he can catch and shoot in transition as opposed to the halfcourt set. It doesn't help matters when there's no spacing because the Spurs Don't have anyone who can penetrate so Green's good looks are far and few between. His defense has slipped and he continues to get beat by the same play over and over again but he's still legnthy, agile and athletic, all things Shumpert is not. The Spurs couldn't dream of making a starter out of Shump because He's not really good at any one thing.

[TimDunkem]

But it is also adding LMA.


That would be a killer trade but it doesn't include LMA. Yeah I know Murray only started out of necessity a while last season.
It's unfortunate, but LMA doesn't even want to be here nor will he after a season or two at the most. Might as well set yourself up for the future now. Irving also increases your odds of adding someone through FA since most players in the league love him and would love to play with him.

Also, I have heard several times - since this Irving to SA scenario has come out - that Green might opt out of his contract after next season too, so you're possibly giving away two guys who might not even be back after the summer of '18 anyway for Irving. Why not do that?

[TimDunkem]

Get off your high horse. All Shumpert does during the Summer is style his hair. Green just turned 30 so to say he can't still improve is pretty pathetic. His offensive game didn't abandon him, the coaching staff switching from a motion offense to halfcourt ISO/post up happy offense did him in, or more specifically, the signing of LMA, the increased usage of Kawhi and Parker's game falling off a cliff. Green is a rhythm shooter and he's most effective when he can catch and shoot in transition as opposed to the Harcourt set. It doesn't help matters when there's no spacing because the Spurs Don't have anyone who can penetrate so Green's good looks are far and few between. His defense has slipped and he continues to get beat by the same play over and over again but he's still legnthy, agile and athletic, all things Shumpert is not. The Spurs couldn't dream of making a starter out of Shump because He's not really good at any one thing.
Yeah, I got up to this point and realized that you have no clue what you're talking about.

:lol @ Bow-legged Danny who runs like a T-Rex being "agile" and "athletic". PFFT...:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Hoops Czar]

Yeah, I got up to this point and realized that you have no clue what you're talking about.

:lol @ Bow-legged Danny who runs like a T-Rex being "agile" and "athletic". PFFT...:lmao :lmao :lmao

At the very least, he gives you strong transition D whereas Shumpert gives you that Dear in headlights look every time he gets best off the dribble. You'll be begging for that T-Rex when you see Shumpert running like a one legged chipmunk who can't get more than 6 inches off the ground.

[TimDunkem]

At the very least, he gives you strong transition D whereas Shumpert gives you that Dear in headlights look every time he gets best off the dribble. You'll be begging for that T-Rex when you see Shumpert running like a one legged chipmunk who can't get more than 6 inches off the ground.
You can debate who's better between Shump and Green all you want but ,if you wouldn't let Green go to essentially get Irving and set yourself up for the future, then there is something seriously wrong with you.

[noob cake]

CIA Pops, get it done.

Role players are dime a dozen. Irving (25) + Leonard (26) is a dynasty for at least half a decade. Needs the Spurs to stop the Golden State Colluders.

[Hoops Czar]

You can debate who's better between Shump and Green all you want but ,if you wouldn't let Green go to essentially get Irving and set yourself up for the future, then there is something seriously wrong with you.
They can do it without giving up Green or they'd better get something other than Shumpert in return. I'd even take Channing Frye.

[TimDunkem]

They can do it without giving up Green or they'd better get something other than Shumpert in return. I'd even take Channing Frye.
I'd rather take Frye too, but Cleveland wants to offload salary. You still take Shumpert for Green if you're bringing back Irving. It's a no-brainer since you'll have your PG position locked up for years and increase your odds of recruiting more talent in FA.

[Cloud786]

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Pick up Afflalo for the LLE to take Green's spot. He's still owed by the Kings I think since he was waived. We'd still be extremely thin in the frontcourt, but sky is the limit with KL+KI.

Cleveland gets Bledsoe to take Kyrie's spot, veteran proven player in Green, young prospect in Murray, and a 1st round pick. Murray & Green are both also close friends with Lebron. Phoenix gets rid of Chandler's contract for an expiring in Frye and a rejuvenated LMA to star along with their young core.

This is a pipedream. This won't happen. This is just for fun. But what if...?


Irving/Mills/Parker/White
Afflalo/Manu/Paul/Forbes
Kawhi/Anderson
Gay/Bertans/Lauvergne
Chandler/Gasol

Blossomgame/Costello

[TimDunkem]

https://ibb.co/cL1Th5
"B-b-b...but...Danny!!! :cry"

[spurs10]

I'd rather take Frye too, but Cleveland wants to offload salary. You still take Shumpert for Green if you're bringing back Irving. It's a no-brainer since you'll have your PG position locked up for years and increase your odds of recruiting more talent in FA.
That is true. Irving in SA changes a lot for our future.

[Hoops Czar]

I'd rather take Frye too, but Cleveland wants to offload salary. You still take Shumpert for Green if you're bringing back Irving. It's a no-brainer since you'll have your PG position locked up for years and increase your odds of recruiting more talent in FA.

While I agree you make the trade10/10 times, Shump has a player option year after next. That'll work in one of two ways... 1.)Shump opts in 2.) Shump out out for longer term deal with the Spurs. keep in mind that both Parker and Kyle are eligible and will in all likelihood receive their loyalty contracts next season. Depending on what Pau's new loyalty contract looks like and Ginobili's inevitable return for a 17th season at age 41, they might not have enough leftover for another max contract anytime soon.

[Ice009]

So if the Spurs somehow manage to trade for him, we're not likely to be able to open up a max slot to get a 3rd star onto the team next off-season?

I thought it might still be possible due to both Kawhi and Kyrie (sounds awesome saying that) being on the old max contracts.

[cd021]

Dejounte is not a legitimate starter, and Green is marginally better than Shumpert. It's essentially a LMA for Irving deal. It's possible the Cavs send back another contract too. Maybe Osman?

Shumpert rep is almost as bad as Jeff Green's, he really doesn't do anything particularly well and he isn't a very good defender.

Danny is much better.

Osman just signed, I think he couldn't be dealt until December and I don't see why the Cavs would give him up despite the Spurs interest in him.

[Raven]

people stop embarrassing yourselves with irving ...

[SAGirl]

If they find no suitable replacement for Lamarcus the Shumpert thing is the least of their worries. It isn't a perfect situation but you either do something like this now or do it later. LMA and Danny are going to be up for contracts anyways... and there is the persistent rumor that LMA is walking so next season it could be a similar situation but without assets to get Kyrie plus everyone that is old is going to be older, and the guys that could retire may very well be.

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[BatManu20]

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[MoSpur02]

That article/report that SAGirl posted seems fake. I don't see anything like that on the internet.

[SAGirl]

That article/report that SAGirl posted seems fake. I don't see anything like that on the internet.

:lol For the record I didn't post it. It was some page someone shared and I just cut an pasted from a link.
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I will say this for Kyrie. He may get criticism and all but he gave Cleveland an opportunity to get assets for him, and a lot of opportunity and advance notice to find assets in return, unlike the state the Lebron left Cleveland in and is likely to leave them in again.

A sample of offers from other teams.
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[MoSpur02]

Not saying you made it up. Just saying that report seems fake.

[MoSpur02]

I also don't buy the whole LeBron James staying out of the whole Kyrie situation. We all know LeBron runs the Cavs organization.

[SAGirl]

roger that mospur
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[Big Empty]

Damn. Ive been hoping id get a notification on my phone that we got Kyrie by now. Blah.

[MoSpur02]

Over and out SAGirl

[Mr. Body]

roger that mospur
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Why bother keeping Wiggins?

[BatManu20]

Don't really believe any of this tbh, but whatever. From Clutchfans, cited from a Cavs board:



Le$$ said: ↑ (http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?goto/post&id=11229872#post-11229872)
is this old news????

From Cavs Board:

I have been a member on this board for almost ten years and lurker way before that and I give my opinion on things here and there and I received some info from a cavs employee this morning we all know and I would like to share it with you guys.

He told me Lebron pretty much told Gilbert to trade kyrie for cp3 and Gilbert approached Griffin with the plan and when Griffin refused he was let go. When he was let go he had people tell kyrie he was let go because he didn't listen to Lebron and griffin plan of getting rid of him for Lebrons buddy.

Kyrie went to the front office and requested to be traded after he got wind of what was going on. Before the original story broke Lebron had windy break news that kyrie requsted a trade and he that he was devastated of his trade request so he wouldn't look like the bad guy.

To sum up the conversation he said kyrie is going to be traded to Phoenix or ny in a 3 team deal and that we will receive bledsoe , melo and hopefully josh Jackson and a few others from are team will be headed out. Please don't bash be for my post I'm just giving you guys a little info I heard from a very reliable source .

[Leetonidas]

This all assume Melo wants to play on a sinking ship in Cleveland. All reports we've heard indicated he still wants to be in Houston

[Clipper Nation]

Don't really believe any of this tbh, but whatever. From Clutchfans, cited from a Cavs board:




Fake news. The only reason a CP0 trade even happened is because he decided he wanted to go to Houston and they needed to dump a bunch of contracts to fit him under the cap. Otherwise, he'd have opted out of his contract.

[cd98]

Fake news. The only reason a CP0 trade even happened is because he decided he wanted to go to Houston and they needed to dump a bunch of contracts to fit him under the cap. Otherwise, he'd have opted out of his contract.

Right and if LeBron told Paul he wanted him on the Cavs, Paul would have gone there no doubt. Surely playing with LeBron in the Leastern Conference is the easiest path to the finals.

[coachmac87]

This all assume Melo wants to play on a sinking ship in Cleveland. All reports we've heard indicated he still wants to be in Houston

This. Melo is adamant on Houston

[Mnky]

Why bother keeping Wiggins?

He was arguably their best player in the second half of the season. Still young and raw. Has plenty of room to grow and take advantage of his ridiculous athleticism at a position that has dominated the league the past few years.

[Mnky]

Don't really believe any of this tbh, but whatever. From Clutchfans, cited from a Cavs board:





Doesnt make much sense at all. Houston got a bunch of cap relief deals to land Paul, and hardly gave up much. Cleveland could have competed with their deal easily. Houston was where Paul wanted to go.

[BatManu20]

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[Mnky]

I don't see how media folk are saying Kyrie has no say in this deal. That has become silly in this day and age when we see how much one player can nose dive a franchise. Who is willing to mortage their future for a couple years of a player? Especially when that player wont get them past GSW unless its a team that is already competing with them like the Spurs, etc. Not arguing for the spurs, as they have very little to offer, what I'm saying is the player being vocal about resigning or not resigning is changing the game with the likes of franchise players moving around way more than ever, and leaving behind absolutely nothing in return. Irving saying he wants to go somewhere, plays a big part in the deals. If he isn't interested, the GM would have to be looking for a new job for trading away their future for a rental in GSW prime years. Just doesn't add up. Players have way more pull than they used to. Cleveland has two years, one without Lebron. They may start making moves to build around kyrie just the same, if nothing big comes up.

[Mr. Body]

He was arguably their best player in the second half of the season. Still young and raw. Has plenty of room to grow and take advantage of his ridiculous athleticism at a position that has dominated the league the past few years.

He's a ridiculously shitty defender.

[cd021]

Trade idea:
(Slight change from some of the hypothetical ones above)

Spurs Get:

Kyrie IrvingTyson Chandler

Cavs Get:

Jared Dudley
Eric Bledsoe
Dejounte Murray
2018 Spurs 1st Round Pick


Suns Get
LaMarcus Aldridge
Channing Fry


-Suns get to test drive Aldridge while ridding themselves of Chandler and Bledsoe potentially freeing up $23+ million in 2018-2019. Fry is an expiring contract who they could flip later in the season to a team that needs shooting.

-Spurs get a starting center to try fill the void left by LMA and a star to pair with Kawhi in Chandler and Irving.

-Cavs get Bledsoe who is a much better defender than Irving and coming off the best season of his career and fairly cheat compared to other starting PGs. Dudley gives them another 3 and D player, they get a 1st round pick from the Spurs (giving them two 1st round picks in 2018), they add Murray as a cheap prospect and they still end up saving about $ half a million dollars.

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Chandler-Gasol-Lavergne-Costello

[benefactor]

This all assume Melo wants to play on a sinking ship in Cleveland. All reports we've heard indicated he still wants to be in Houston
Yeah...this seems to be getting lost in all this. Why the fuck would Melo ok a trade to Cleveland when his holding all the cards with his no trade clause? He knows James is leaving and it behooves him to find a team that he can sign an extension with.

[DPG21920]

I also don't understand pushing the "Kyrie doesn't have a no-trade clause" narrative. Very few players ever have no-trade clauses and they still force their way to teams all the time.

If a player has a no-trade clause, then it gives absolute power to the player. Even if they don't, like Kyrie, it certainly behooves teams to work with that players list of teams.

Like the Paul George situation, everyone knows that Kyrie has that same no-trade clause on CLE yet he's forcing his way out. So if you are a team not on "the list" and you know Kyrie can/is forcing his way out with the same contract you would be getting, are you really giving up prime assets to get him knowing he will do the same to you?

Sure, the no-trade clause opens up the door for a team not on the list to throw caution to the wind and offer a big package in hopes they can convince him to stay, but that seems somewhat unlikely. It's definitley possible though.

Long-story short, even without a no-trade clause, many times we see exactly why the list of teams from a player still matters.

[Clipper Nation]

Right and if LeBron told Paul he wanted him on the Cavs, Paul would have gone there no doubt. Surely playing with LeBron in the Leastern Conference is the easiest path to the finals.
CP0 was set on Houston. It came out after the trade that Frauden and the Rockets had been tampering with him all of last season, and their recruiting pitch clearly worked.

[DPG21920]

Costa & Fox is not better than LMA/Murray. I don't care how high you value Fox at this point. Fox could turn out to be a stud, but currently that is not better than LMA/Murray.

[SpursBig3s]

Trade idea:
(Slight change from some of the hypothetical ones above)

Spurs Get:

Kyrie IrvingTyson Chandler

Cavs Get:

Jared Dudley
Eric Bledsoe
Dejounte Murray
2018 Spurs 1st Round Pick


Suns Get
LaMarcus Aldridge
Channing Fry
-Suns get to test drive Aldridge while ridding themselves of Chandler and Bledsoe potentially freeing up $23+ million in 2018-2019. Fry is an expiring contract who they could flip later in the season to a team that needs shooting.

-Spurs get a starting center to try fill the void left by LMA and a star to pair with Kawhi in Chandler and Irving.

-Cavs get Bledsoe who is a much better defender than Irving and coming off the best season of his career and fairly cheat compared to other starting PGs. Dudley gives them another 3 and D player, they get a 1st round pick from the Spurs (giving them two 1st round picks in 2018), they add Murray as a cheap prospect and they still end up saving about $ half a million dollars.

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Chandler-Gasol-Lavergne-Costello


thats not bad. Except Chandler has what, 2yrs and 26 million left on his deal?

[DPG21920]

My guess: Kyrie is indeed traded by opening day and one of the 4 teams listed is involved. Of course some team not on the list can do something silly and if that is the case CLE should take it and let the other team find out how dumb that is.

[BatManu20]

thats not bad. Except Chandler has what, 2yrs and 26 million left on his deal?

$26.5M, yea. Spurs would/should take that deal in a heartbeat though, if it were to ever reveal itself as a possibility.

[BatManu20]

Knicks or Suns, me thinks. Never count out slick Pat Riley though.

[Jdspur20]

I also don't understand pushing the "Kyrie doesn't have a no-trade clause" narrative. Very few players ever have no-trade clauses and they still force their way to teams all the time.

If a player has a no-trade clause, then it gives absolute power to the player. Even if they don't, like Kyrie, it certainly behooves teams to work with that players list of teams.

Like the Paul George situation, everyone knows that Kyrie has that same no-trade clause on CLE yet he's forcing his way out. So if you are a team not on "the list" and you know Kyrie can/is forcing his way out with the same contract you would be getting, are you really giving up prime assets to get him knowing he will do the same to you?

Sure, the no-trade clause opens up the door for a team not on the list to throw caution to the wind and offer a big package in hopes they can convince him to stay, but that seems somewhat unlikely. It's definitley possible though.

Long-story short, even without a no-trade clause, many times we see exactly why the list of teams from a player still matters.

All very solid points

[raybies]

The Suns want Irving... why do people keep acting like Phx wants Aldridge. They don't. They are building a young core. Unless a lottery pick is involved they are not gonna bother dumping players just for expiring contracts. They want picks and prospects and have said as much. So reroute LMA to another team. Also Cleveland would want those picks for Irving. He hasn't even entered his prime yet and have 2 years on his deal.

and to DPG, Paul George got traded to OKC on 1 year deal, if you think some team with the right scenery won't have the best package and risk it.

[palangi]

The Suns want Irving... why do people keep acting like Phx wants Aldridge. They don't. They are building a young core. Unless a lottery pick is involved they are not gonna bother dumping players just for expiring contracts. They want picks and prospects and have said as much. So reroute LMA to another team. Also Cleveland would want those picks for Irving. He hasn't even entered his prime yet and have 2 years on his deal.

and to DPG, Paul George got traded to OKC on 1 year deal, if you think some team with the right scenery won't have the best package and risk it.

Getting Aldridge would allow pheonix to get out from under chandler and Bledsoe contact while picking up some talent. And then Aldridge comes off the books next year. Or they could flip him at the trade deadline for picks.

[DPG21920]

The Suns want Irving... why do people keep acting like Phx wants Aldridge. They don't. They are building a young core. Unless a lottery pick is involved they are not gonna bother dumping players just for expiring contracts. They want picks and prospects and have said as much. So reroute LMA to another team. Also Cleveland would want those picks for Irving. He hasn't even entered his prime yet and have 2 years on his deal.

and to DPG, Paul George got traded to OKC on 1 year deal, if you think some team with the right scenery won't have the best package and risk it.

Raybies, what IND got in return for PG due to him being traded to a team not on his list was trash.

If CLE is willing to sell Kyrie for garabage and eating a ton of money at the same time, well then sure :lol Every team can beat SA there.

[spurs10]

I'm wondering if it's more than speculation that SA is his preferred place to land. If so I hope the Cavs respect that for everyone's sake.

[cd021]

thats not bad. Except Chandler has what, 2yrs and 26 million left on his deal?

Yeah, this season and next year. It's not ideal but the Spurs wouldn't have much of a choice. After next year they could always waive and stretch him but that's probably not likely considering it would cost $4.5 million each for the next three seasons after next. It would free up $10 million next off season and Kyrie and Kawhi would only combine to make $40.2 million.

[Mnky]

Irving to spurs heating up.

[BD24]

Irving to spurs heating up.
Link?

[cd021]

Getting Aldridge would allow pheonix to get out from under chandler and Bledsoe contact while picking up some talent. And then Aldridge comes off the books next year. Or they could flip him at the trade deadline for picks.

He has a team option that he may not decline because he probably isn't making anywhere $22.5 after next season, unless someone offers him like a 3 year $50 million dollar deal fully guaranteed.

In my trade scenario ,I posted on the previous page, the Suns could theoretically clear out $23 million for the 18-19 season depending on what LMA does. Frye would be a better flip because of his cheap expiring contract no so much LMA because of his large salary and having to make the salaries work.

[cd021]

Trade idea:
(Slight change from some of the hypothetical ones above)

Spurs Get:

Kyrie IrvingTyson Chandler

Cavs Get:

Jared Dudley
Eric Bledsoe
Dejounte Murray
2018 Spurs 1st Round Pick


Suns Get
LaMarcus Aldridge
Channing Fry


-Suns get to test drive Aldridge while ridding themselves of Chandler and Bledsoe potentially freeing up $23+ million in 2018-2019. Fry is an expiring contract who they could flip later in the season to a team that needs shooting.

-Spurs get a starting center to try fill the void left by LMA and a star to pair with Kawhi in Chandler and Irving.

-Cavs get Bledsoe who is a much better defender than Irving and coming off the best season of his career and fairly cheat compared to other starting PGs. Dudley gives them another 3 and D player, they get a 1st round pick from the Spurs (giving them two 1st round picks in 2018), they add Murray as a cheap prospect and they still end up saving about $ half a million dollars.

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Feel like this is the only way we could nab Irving without giving up too much to negate the addition.

Green and Leonard would hopefully be able to help cover up for Irving defensively, and Chandler wasn't bad last season. Spurs could probably still be a top 10 defensive team while adding an excellent offensive player to draw attention away from Kawhi

[LittleCriminal]

Spurs ain't gunna do shit.. Everyone here is hyped up knowing the FO just sits back and watches.

[lilbthebasedgod]

Just got off the phone with my source.

He said that we're trading kawhi for kyrie. You heard it here first

[LakerHater]

Spurs ain't gunna do shit...
Sadly :depressed this is the truth!

[BatManu20]

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[raybies]

And to Raybies, what IND got in return for PG due to him being traded to a team not on his list was trash.

If CLE is willing to sell Kyrie for garabage and eating a ton of money at the same time, well then sure :lol Every team can beat SA there.
My whole point is that a team with a better package might risk it that are not on his list. Denver and Boston are good examples and they have better assets. They weren't on his list but could make compelling cases to Irving to what he wants. He'd easily be the man on either team and both have good young cores. Boston, he could lead against Cleveland and take them past LeBron. That'd be good TV.

I don't know how smart Altman is and by that I mean dealing in the conference but they'd probably have the best potential package. And I don't know how loyal Ainge is to Thomas...

Denver needs a point and need someone just like Irving. It'd be his own team and have good talent.

However unlikely, my point is OKC traded for George, no matter what you think of the package. They risked their short term future and more for George cause if he leaves, Westbrook likely leaves. They risked more than just Oladipo and Sabonis, they potentially put the straw that could break the camels back.

But OKC proves the market can get something done. George is almost guaranteed as leaving and they did it. Irving has two years and you act like just because he might piss and moan they won't get a deal done. Nobody even knew OKC was in the running for George. He probably didn't even know. They liked the deal and did it. Who knows what kind of class or ethics Cleveland has now, whether they take care of their players or just get the best deal possible. They could just pull the trigger and say screw it, if the other team doesn't care to know if he'll stay. He's got two years lol.

[daledondale]

Just got off the phone with my source.

He said that we're trading kawhi for kyrie. You heard it here first
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[LittleCriminal]

Only thing I do know is green and Murray are close friends with LJ.
That might be the only advantage spurs have over any other team Irving listed...
Aside from that, spurs ain't doing shit.

[DPG21920]

My whole point is that a team with a better package might risk it that are not on his list. Denver and Boston are good examples and they have better assets. They weren't on his list but could make compelling cases to Irving to what he wants. He'd easily be the man on either team and both have good young cores. Boston, he could lead against Cleveland and take them past LeBron. That'd be good TV.

Sure, in theory, plenty of teams could make great offers. But like with PG, BOS didn't even spend minimal assets to get Paul George who is a far superior player. Why is that? It's for the same reason I stated. Sure, the fact Kyrie has 2 years vs PG 1 year is a factor but how much? That extra certainly isn't stopping Kyrie from forcing his way out of CLE.



I don't know how smart Altman is and by that I mean dealing in the conference but they'd probably have the best potential package. And I don't know how loyal Ainge is to Thomas...

Denver needs a point and need someone just like Irving. It'd be his own team and have good talent.

Sure, best *potential* package, but will those offers come to fruition. Think of it this way. If you are DEN and just landed Millsap & have Jokic - are you going all in for Kyrie when you see he hasn't committed to you or wants to play for you? What assets would you give up that CLE would want to take that risk? Put your GM hat on personally.



However unlikely, my point is OKC traded for George, no matter what you think of the package. They risked their short term future and more for George cause if he leaves, Westbrook likely leaves. They risked more than just Oladipo and Sabonis, they potentially put the straw that could break the camels back.

That is not true at all. This is not subjective. OKC was looking to dump Dipo's contract. They would have done it for getting no salary back and no players. They just happened to get a shot at PG. If they wouldn't have traded for PG and kept Dipo WB was not said to be walking. Just getting PG and then him possibly leaving doesn't change things for WB. All it does is now give them so much more flexilbity and a chance to sign PG long-term if things work.

Painting some narrative that losing Dipo would cause Westbrook to leave is laughable to me.


But OKC proves the market can get something done. George is almost guaranteed as leaving and they did it. Irving has two years and you act like just because he might piss and moan they won't get a deal done. Nobody even knew OKC was in the running for George. He probably didn't even know. They liked the deal and did it. Who knows what kind of class or ethics Cleveland has now, whether they take care of their players or just get the best deal possible. They could just pull the trigger and say screw it, if the other team doesn't care to know if he'll stay. He's got two years lol.

That's what I said. It's possible some team can do something stupid. The difference in your beliefs and virtually all basketball minds that cover the game is the OKC didn't do something stupid; IND did.

They got an absolutely trash package and had to take on money just to trade a disgruntled PG. Sure the extra year for Kyrie is valuable but doesn't change things too much since with those same 2 years he's forcing his way out of CLE

[raybies]

According to Amico Hoops sources (http://amicohoops.net/nba-rumors-kyrie-irving-cleveland-cavaliers-sacramento-kings-deaaron-fox/), Phoenix, Denver, New Orleans and Sacramento have already plotted their calls and offers for the All-Star guard.

case closed...

[DPG21920]

According to Amico Hoops sources (http://amicohoops.net/nba-rumors-kyrie-irving-cleveland-cavaliers-sacramento-kings-deaaron-fox/), Phoenix, Denver, New Orleans and Sacramento have already plotted their calls and offers for the All-Star guard.

case closed...

:lol Every team is calling CLE. You have to. Doesn't mean CLE says yes.

:lol "case closed"

[raybies]

Sure, in theory, plenty of teams could make great offers. But like with PG, BOS didn't even spend minimal assets to get Paul George who is a far superior player. Why is that? It's for the same reason I stated. Sure, the fact Kyrie has 2 years vs PG 1 year is a factor but how much? That extra certainly isn't stopping Kyrie from forcing his way out of CLE.




Sure, best *potential* package, but will those offers come to fruition. Think of it this way. If you are DEN and just landed Millsap & have Jokic - are you going all in for Kyrie when you see he hasn't committed to you or wants to play for you? What assets would you give up that CLE would want to take that risk? Put your GM hat on personally.




That is not true at all. This is not subjective. OKC was looking to dump Dipo's contract. They would have done it for getting no salary back and no players. They just happened to get a shot at PG. If they wouldn't have traded for PG and kept Dipo WB was not said to be walking. Just getting PG and then him possibly leaving doesn't change things for WB. All it does is now give them so much more flexilbity and a chance to sign PG long-term if things work.

Painting some narrative that losing Dipo would cause Westbrook to leave is laughable to me.



That's what I said. It's possible some team can do something stupid. The difference in your beliefs and virtually all basketball minds that cover the game is the OKC didn't do something stupid; IND did.

They got an absolutely trash package and had to take on money just to trade a disgruntled PG. Sure the extra year for Kyrie is valuable but doesn't change things too much since with those same 2 years he's forcing his way out of CLE
Some people's trash is another persons treasure tbh

[DPG21920]

Also, unlike PG who gave only one team, Kyrie gave 4. A lot more options for CLE there.

[DPG21920]

Some people's trash is another persons treasure tbh

:lol this is true and entirely possible for Kyrie / CLE. Doesn't mean CLE did well under the scenario.

[SAGirl]

I'd believe it.. that it was Lebron who meddled to try to get CP3 instead of the trade brokered by Griffin, but caused his abrupt departure... 888614283084521472

[raybies]

:lol Every team is calling CLE. You have to. Doesn't mean CLE says yes.

:lol "case closed"
The case is that other teams might risk it. We'll just have to see what happens to Irving and discuss later. Not gonna :lol but I guess I did

[TD 21]

They have to get it done this year or next. There is no guarantee that Kyrie is a long-term play. Even if he is, he's going to have to be massively overpaid. Irving isn't a superstar. He's a glass cannon. People are giving his this huge impact, but he should be the third member of a Big Three. I would indeed hope that the team could sign a guy like Cousins and agree to extensions for the other two next summer. But it's too much up in the air. In the meantime, he doesn't move the needle.

The Spurs are great at finding back-end guys, but they keep their key role-players for so long because they know it's not easy to find them. Guys like Bowen took them years to replace. Don't confuse Green and LMA for Neal or Simmons.

If they're supposedly atop his list, then there's a good chance he's not going anywhere (before you bring up Aldridge, that was always a marriage of convenience) and if he does, so be it. It's not like they'd be breaking up a championship roster in the making. You keep looking for guarantees, but there aren't any.

I already said he's overrated, but he's also clearly good enough to be the 2nd best player on a championship team. On his own, he doesn't move the needle (at any given time, there's only a few who do), but again, he's the star who leads to the next star . . . but let's nitpick every player to death, overvalue aging role players and wait for that unicorn.

How do you get Aldridge and Green out of "back end rotation players"? I was clearly talking about Neal, Baynes, Simmons, Marjanovic, etc.

[DPG21920]

The case is that other teams might risk it. We'll just have to see what happens to Irving and discuss later. Not gonna :lol but I guess I did

We know other teams might "risk" it. But if your definition of risk it is Oladipo + Sabonis than your definition of risk is not the same as 99% of the nba world.

Also, if Oladipo + Sabonis is the talent CLE can get, then SA with LMA alone is at the top of the heap. LMA >>>> Dipo/Sabnois

[DPG21920]

Raybies - put on your GM hat. Let's pretend you are the GM for Denver. What would you offer to CLE for Kyrie.

[szkorhetz]

If they're supposedly atop his list, then there's a good chance he's not going anywhere (before you bring up Aldridge, that was always a marriage of convenience) and if he does, so be it. It's not like they'd be breaking up a championship roster in the making. You keep looking for guarantees, but there aren't any.

I already said he's overrated, but he's also clearly good enough to be the 2nd best player on a championship team. On his own, he doesn't move the needle (at any given time, there's only a few who do), but again, he's the star who leads to the next star . . . but let's nitpick every player to death, overvalue aging role players and wait for that unicorn.

How do you get Aldridge and Green out of "back end rotation players"? I was clearly talking about Neal, Baynes, Simmons, Marjanovic, etc.
I actually think that a Leonard/Irving duo would make Spurs pretty appealing for DMC too..

[NASpurs]

According to Amico Hoops sources (http://amicohoops.net/nba-rumors-kyrie-irving-cleveland-cavaliers-sacramento-kings-deaaron-fox/), Phoenix, Denver, New Orleans and Sacramento have already plotted their calls and offers for the All-Star guard.

case closed...

Speaking of trash, Amico is as reliable as tspence and Wojtek.

[raybies]

Speaking of trash, Amico is as reliable as tspence and Wojtek.
Nah, he's pretty reliable now. A lot of media minds think he's credible...

[Big Empty]

TSpence ha wasnt he the one that had everyone convinced we were landing Gasol a few years ago

[TD 21]

Two other reasons this won't happen: Why would they want to trade him to where he wants to go and to one of 2 teams that's arguably been better the past 3 seasons? Spurs would more than likely need far and away the best package for them to overlook those two things and obviously they won't be able to even come close to that.


I actually think that a Leonard/Irving duo would make Spurs pretty appealing for DMC too..

I don't know about that. He's a top few usage player and has griped when not playing with pass first PG's. Also, I can't imagine Spurs pursuing him.

Almost every star thinking about changing teams would have at least some degree of interest though.

[raybies]

We know other teams might "risk" it. But if your definition of risk it is Oladipo + Sabonis than your definition of risk is not the same as 99% of the nba world.

Also, if Oladipo + Sabonis is the talent CLE can get, then SA with LMA alone is at the top of the heap. LMA >>>> Dipo/Sabnois
Sorry was in a hurry, I meant better package and risk it. LMA imo is not seen as an asset. He's a one year deal, diva, and can't play under pressure which LeBron and team get to Finals every year. Why would LeBron want that when he already has Love. Green is very flawed player, and Murray got pantsed in a Summer League and everyone saw he had a small wiener pretty much. Only thing we got going for us is LeBrons notorious and horrible GMing of players that are his friends.

Our package can easily be beaten. It's all up to LeBron though.

[Robz4000]

Speaking of trash, Amico is as reliable as tspence and Wojtek.

If tspence tweets it I believe it, and how dare you try to discredit lefty's Uncle Wojtek?!

[NASpurs]

Nah, he's pretty reliable now. A lot of media minds think he's credible...

Nope Sam Amick is reliable, Sam Amico is hot trash.

[TimDunkem]

Has Amico ever broken any news or put forward a scenario that ever actually played out? Guy sucks.

[DPG21920]

Sorry was in a hurry, I meant better package and risk it. LMA imo is not seen as an asset. He's a one year deal, diva, and can't play under pressure which LeBron and team get to Finals every year. Why would LeBron want that when he already has Love. Green is very flawed player, and Murray got pantsed in a Summer League and everyone saw he had a small wiener pretty much. Only thing we got going for us is LeBrons notorious and horrible GMing of players that are his friends.

Our package can easily be beaten. It's all up to LeBron though.

Bruh - Both Danny and LMA have sh*t on Dipo's career :lol

[SAGirl]

Costa & Fox is not better than LMA/Murray. I don't care how high you value Fox at this point. Fox could turn out to be a stud, but currently that is not better than LMA/Murray. LMA/Murray is not the trade... it's turning LMA into Bledsoe to then trade to Cavs... Problem with that is, Suns can also serve as intermediary for a number of teams with Bledsoe as well. Spurs 1st is low, teams can offer better picks and Murray is an ok prospect, but not great by any means and didn't do the Spurs any favors looking bad in summer league. He can't shoot period. Danny is the player that makes the Spurs trade special for Lebron. I am unsure about the whole thing tbh. Bc its really who GM Lebron likes, and bc it really is a lot for the Spurs to let go of.

[spurs10]

LMA/Murray is not the trade... it's turning LMA into Bledsoe to then trade to Cavs... Problem with that is, Suns can also serve as intermediary for a number of teams with Bledsoe as well. Spurs 1st is low, teams can offer better picks and Murray is an ok prospect, but not great by any means and didn't do the Spurs any favors looking bad in summer league. He can't shoot period. Danny is the player that makes the Spurs trade special for Lebron. I am unsure about the whole thing tbh. Bc its really who GM Lebron likes, and bc it really is a lot for the Spurs to let go of. Yes I don't think a trade of LMA and Murray is being considered because they don't need LMA with Love there for one. If our goal is getting Kyrie I do think Green is in the trade.

[FkLA]

I'd believe it.. that it was Lebron who meddled to try to get CP3 instead of the trade brokered by Griffin, but caused his abrupt departure... 888614283084521472

They're idiots if they're the ones that declined that.

[spurraider21]

http://www.imageleech.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/49/2016/03/its-not-happening.gif

[spurs10]

Whether this has much of a chance of happening partly depends on speculation of two major things we've heard- Kyrie wants to come here and LMA wants to leave here. If either is untrue, or mostly untrue, I think our chances dimension exponentially.

[lilbthebasedgod]

They're idiots if they're the ones that declined that.

Apparently it was the pacers who abruptly backed out to send PG to OKC

[SAGirl]

They're idiots if they're the ones that declined that. From what I read in various ESPN and other media articles. Griffin had that trade in the table and another for Jimmy Butler. Rumor was that Gilbert declined and fired Griffin bc he objected and wouldn't comply. Lebron preferred that it was Love the deal player, and now there are some rumors that he wanted CP3.. source for that last one is a forum board rumor.. but the others were on ESPN. For sure the Kyrie trade for either Jimmy Butler or PG/Bledsoe got Griffin fired. The havoc created in the FO also was problematic bc once Kyrie got word of what was going on with him, he wanted out. It's been alleged Kyrie suspects it was Lebron who leaked the information and I can guess why... bc he doesn't like the offers that Kyrie's preferred teams are giving and wants to invite more bidding and at this point he's hurt and doesn't care squat about where Kyrie ends up. Ugly side to Lebron tbh.

[gambit1990]

i've been wanting to move tony's contract for years... and even i wouldn't want kyrie if a team was willing to take parker to make it happen.

[gambit1990]

kyrie is the "point guard" version of kobe. and i do not mean that as a compliment.

[lmbebo]

From what I read in various ESPN and other media articles. Griffin had that trade in the table and another for Jimmy Butler. Rumor was that Gilbert declined and fired Griffin bc he objected and wouldn't comply. Lebron preferred that it was Love the deal player, and now there are some rumors that he wanted CP3.. source for that last one is a forum board rumor.. but the others were on ESPN. For sure the Kyrie trade for either Jimmy Butler or PG/Bledsoe got Griffin fired. The havoc created in the FO also was problematic bc once Kyrie got word of what was going on with him, he wanted out. It's been alleged Kyrie suspects it was Lebron who leaked the information and I can guess why... bc he doesn't like the offers that Kyrie's preferred teams are giving and wants to invite more bidding and at this point he's hurt and doesn't care squat about where Kyrie ends up. Ugly side to Lebron tbh.

The drama there ... All the talk shows talk about how Lebron leaves destruction in his wake .... This is self created. Gives him an exit plan...

I would love to see Kyrie in a spurs uniform... just don't see it happening.

[gambit1990]

lebron deserves better, i had been saying the cavs should trade kylie. they coulda got better value if they had read and listened to my spurstalk posts :lol

[gambit1990]

kyrie is a fucking bum. lebron introduced him to the playoffs.

he only wants to come to sa cause he thinks he'll have a chance to be more popular than kawhi.

[raybies]

Bruh - Both Danny and LMA have sh*t on Dipo's career :lol
Dipo was an Indiana guy, and Sabonis will be better than Danny 3 and D. They valued his Indiana ties and that's that. Gotta sell tickets you know. They had a connect. We have Lebron wanting to play with friends, otherwise we wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell. Also with Sabonis and Dipo they both fill positions of need on a rebuilding team. Still a bad deal...not gonna argue that. My point is that a team can risk players for a star. Sabonis has high upside. Have to wait and see. I'm high on him. At this point it's TBD on what they would call "better" with things like not sending him to a contender to be considered..

But when you look at the totality of LMA, Green, and Murray without the "I-can-see-why-they-do-it" goggles, there's the health of LMA, the attitude, and the performance in the playoffs. And Green who you can hide anyone on him on defense in the playoffs, (and if he doesn't hit his threes he shouldn't be out there. He's no curry stopper or harden stopper for example. Simmons did better against Harden but I digress) and Murray which has potential but has a long roads ahead you realize basketball speaking you can do a lot better.

[gambit1990]

maybe kyrie's AST to TOV ratio in the playoffs would be better if he knew that the earth was round.

close to seething seeing spursfans that want him :lol

[mookie2001]

How could you not want a player who averages 26 ppg? Pout away dogg

[gambit1990]

How could you not want a player who averages 26 ppg?
how many times did he take his team to the playoffs (pre lebron), while being in the east? :lmao

ppg :lol
like i said, look at his AST to TOV ratio in the playoffs :lol
see if you can defend that.

[gambit1990]

kyrie's career AST to TOV ratio in the playoffs is 4.7 to 2.2 :lmao

just what we need from our starting PG :lmao

[DesignatedT]

Pre-Lebron? :lol Irving was 22 years old. Hardly the player he is today.

[DenialTwist]

Spurs would rather keep re-signing Parker until he blows out his other quad and keep bringing back Manu than sign an all star point guard like Irving. Loyalty over a chance to win with players that are the same age as Kawhi.

[gambit1990]

Pre-Lebron? :lol Irving was 22 years old. Hardly the player he is today.
#1 draft pick who couldn't even get his team an #8 seed... in the east.

[Leetonidas]

Bringing up assist to turnover doesn't make sense really considering LeBron is the primary ballhandler and facilitator. Irving is asked to score for Cleveland, not set up the offense

[cutewizard]

What matters is what Pop thinks

[Mr. Body]

#1 draft pick who couldn't even get his team an #8 seed... in the east.

When was the last #1 pick who could do this?

[gambit1990]

Irving is asked to score for Cleveland
and he wants to be traded so he can be the focal point of the offense :lol

[lilbthebasedgod]

I still wouldn't take him. We need better bigs. Overal Aldridge is still a better player for us. Kyrie is definitely better than any of our guards, but without LMA we have literally no not-horrible bigs.

[DPG21920]

I still wouldn't take him. We need better bigs. Overal Aldridge is still a better player for us. Kyrie is definitely better than any of our guards, but without LMA we have literally no not-horrible bigs.

I get that, but right now we have no not-horrible bigs. If that is the case, I would rather have the more talented player that is younger since you are going to have a guard or big problem regardless.

[gambit1990]

When was the last #1 pick who could do this?
before kyrie was wall, griffin, rose. they've all been in the playoffs.

i didn't say #1 pick who took their team to the playoffs in their first year.

[exstatic]

I haven't seen anyone mention it, but Riles spirited LeBron away from Cleveland in 2010, leaving them with nothing but a dumpster fire for four years. There is zero chance that Gilbert OKs any deal with the Heat.

[SPURt]

The chances of the Spurs trading for Kyrie are the same chances the Earth is actually flat

[DPG21920]

I haven't seen anyone mention it, but Riles spirited LeBron away from Cleveland in 2010, leaving them with nothing but a dumpster fire for four years. There is zero chance that Gilbert OKs any deal with the Heat.

That's a good point - MIA would likely have to beat any offer by a wide margin for CLE to consider dealing with them.

[gambit1990]

kyrie is about himself, have none of y'all seen him play? :lmao

he'd rather take a tough shot than get an easy basket for his teammate, just like kobe.

he's not putting us over the top either :lol

not even down to trade la for him.

[lilbthebasedgod]

I get that, but right now we have no not-horrible bigs. If that is the case, I would rather have the more talented player that is younger since you are going to have a guard or big problem regardless.

Aldridge isn't nearly as bad as people say. I'd say he's quite a bit better than horrible. I just think the cost is too high if we lose Aldrige+green/mills. I'm fine with getting rid of him if we're gonna punt this season (since Aldridge is gone anyway) to get kyrie + pieces for next season though. I've been wanting that. We need to regroup imo.

[gambit1990]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGKWw3FiSwY
3 for 17... against the 6ers :lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGKWw3FiSwY

not even interested in looking up how many assists he had that game. all the people who want him can look that up and let me know.

[noles1983]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGKWw3FiSwY
3 for 17... against the 6ers :lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGKWw3FiSwY

not even interested in looking up how many assists he had that game. all the people who want him can look that up and let me know.

Dude seriously give it a rest. We have TP on our team who has thrown up 0 point, 0 assist games for fucks sake.

[spurs10]

So nobody has seen Kyrie at the HEB or had their source at the airport chime in?

[gambit1990]

Dude seriously give it a rest. We have TP on our team who has thrown up 0 point, 0 assist games for fucks sake.
:lol

i haven't wanted tony on the team for a long time.

kyrie isn't going to put us over the top :lmao

the dude is a fucking cancer who wants the spotlight.

[cutewizard]

Maybe Pop can change him......?

[coachmac87]

:lol

i haven't wanted tony on the team for a long time.

kyrie isn't going to put us over the top :lmao

the dude is a fucking cancer who wants the spotlight.

You're craving for the spotlight with your shitty takes...

[gambit1990]

You're craving for the spotlight with your shitty takes...
:lol

yeah, i'm just dying for other spurs fans to disagree with me :lol

[gambit1990]

spurs currently: don't make it to the finals
spurs with irving: don't make it to the finals

i don't want tony on the team but i'd rather pay him this year than pay kyrie over multiple years and have to deal with his inferiority complex.

[gambit1990]

i didn't want parker when y'all thought he should've been an all star.

i don't want irving EVER.

[kaji157]

I think is difficult to know who is the culprit for the Irving affair in Cleveland.
But for sure it's not one man's fault.
I don't believe Irving is solely to blame, and neither is only LeBron.
Both have tried to be complimentary and they for a championship, that's all you can ask for a player, so i would be careful of calling either of these players a cancer, maybe the think they have shoved the best they could and pretend to part ways before it's worse.

[SAGirl]

I haven't seen anyone mention it, but Riles spirited LeBron away from Cleveland in 2010, leaving them with nothing but a dumpster fire for four years. There is zero chance that Gilbert OKs any deal with the Heat.

good point. I have also seen that this could drag out for quite a while... although midseason Cavs will be under pressure. Spurs are under pressure too if it is true Lamarcus is walking at the end of the season.

[gambit1990]

y'all are fucking nuts if you want kyrie.

i guess i had to be reminded how low the bbiq on spurstalk is.

spurs make no gains with swapping out him for la.

[SAGirl]

y'all are fucking nuts if you want kyrie.

i guess i had to be reminded how low the bbiq on spurstalk is.

spurs make no gains with swapping out him for la.

nobody cares what you think gambit you have OCD with your takes. You will spout this 1000 more times... every time. Say something about how you don't want parker again. :lol

[gambit1990]

nobody cares what you think gambit you have OCD with your takes.
let me know when i've been wrong.


Say something about how you don't want parker again. :lol
i'll be thankful to have tony if it means no kyrie.

go write a book about how you imagine kyle's dick would taste.

[gambit1990]

nobody cares what you think gambit
people only care about you think? :lmao

[DPG21920]

Aldridge isn't nearly as bad as people say. I'd say he's quite a bit better than horrible. I just think the cost is too high if we lose Aldrige+green/mills. I'm fine with getting rid of him if we're gonna punt this season (since Aldridge is gone anyway) to get kyrie + pieces for next season though. I've been wanting that. We need to regroup imo.

Sorry - I meant right now we have no not horrible guards, not bigs. Sorry for the confusion.

[jbspurs]

:bang Kyrie and Chandler to Knicks, Melo and Bledsoe to Cavs, Love and Frank Ntilikina to Suns..

[gambit1990]

wasn't SAGirl the one calling kyle a vet after two or three seasons? :lol

basketballs are round btw.

[BackHome]

If people hate Parker and Mills because of there defense this dude was the worst defender at his position in the entire NBA - Dead last..........................Yeah.............

[Laughing Gravy]

All of these fucking drama queen superfriends want to play together above anything else, like a bunch of schoolgirls. Kyrie wants to play for THE SPURS, yet he's the drama queen cancer??? Lol, yeah lets clamour after those other superfriend faggots instead.

[RD2191]

No rational Spurs fan actually believes we're landing Kyrie but it still says something about the organization that of it were up to him he'd choose the Spurs.

[spurs10]

No rational Spurs fan actually believes we're landing Kyrie but it still says something about the organization that of it were up to him he'd choose the Spurs. That seems like our best shot really. If he really wants to come here and build with someone his own age, it might mean a lot. If not now then eventually. Yes I think it's a long shot, but it's not impossible.

All ll that being said, I've mainly been thinking about what we have to work with and know the speculative stuff could go either way. It's summer...why not!

[gambit1990]

cp3 was the answer.

it doesn't matter where kyrie goes. anywhere but here.

[Big Empty]

I keep reading he wants to be the main man on the team, not second fiddle. Mames me wonder if he'd be happy here since we play a certain way. He'd be Kawhi's sidekick like he currently is with LeBron. I guess with LA likely leaving next year we dont have much to lose if we can pull a trade off

[gambit1990]

I keep reading he wants to be the main man on the team, not second fiddle. Mames me wonder if he'd be happy here since we play a certain way. He'd be Kawhi's sidekick like he currently is with LeBron.
someone is catching on :wow


he only wants to come to sa cause he thinks he'll have a chance to be more popular than kawhi.

[Laughing Gravy]

Is Gambit autistic...or no?

[SAGirl]

He has some OCD issues. Develops a fixation with one point or someone and will go on and on about it repeatedly and forever. Will bump his own posts 3 years from now too.

[gambit1990]

Is Gambit autistic...or no?
what a great basketball take.


He has some OCD issues. Develops a fixation with one point or someone and will go on and on about it repeatedly and forever.
sounds like you with kyle. only difference is your takes are wrong.

[Laughing Gravy]

what a great basketball take.


sounds like you with kyle. only difference is your takes are wrong.

Seems like a sad little man.

[gambit1990]

Seems like a sad little man.
another great basketball take. try making it three if you can count that high.

[BD24]

He has some OCD issues. Develops a fixation with one point or someone and will go on and on about it repeatedly and forever. Will bump his own posts 3 years from now too.
The hypocrisy in this post is phenomenal

[tmtcsc]

I keep reading he wants to be the main man on the team, not second fiddle. Mames me wonder if he'd be happy here since we play a certain way. He'd be Kawhi's sidekick like he currently is with LeBron. I guess with LA likely leaving next year we dont have much to lose if we can pull a trade off

I think the Spurs play a certain way because they really don't have much of a choice anymore. This year is going to be a huge challenge for the Spurs, especially defensively.

[ace3g]

Found this on instagram:

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/20347509_691207867729873_7969035290553614336_n.jpg

[tbdog]

We need to get all over this. If we can give up lma and keep Green. But we will desperately need two bigs to replace LMA.

[palangi]

Found this on instagram:

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/20347509_691207867729873_7969035290553614336_n.jpg

You notice the Spurs jersey has a number 1 and the Miami jersey has a number 2. That must mean we are his first choice. Ha ha

[BatManu20]

Found this on instagram:

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/20347509_691207867729873_7969035290553614336_n.jpg

Needs to have a Suns jersey draped over his shoulder too, tbh.

[Ice009]

He doesn't want to play for the Suns, though. Who cares if they want to trade for him if he doesn't want to play there.

[hooperflash]

You notice the Spurs jersey has a number 1 and the Miami jersey has a number 2. That must mean we are his first choice. Ha ha

The Spurs jersey is #1 because that was his number from college and because Kawhi wears the #2 jersey for us. (Yes, this does imply that a lot of editors have been disrespectful towards Kyle :lol)

[LittleCriminal]

So is he coming to SA or not.....


#not

[palangi]

The Spurs jersey is #1 because that was his number from college and because Kawhi wears the #2 jersey for us. (Yes, this does imply that a lot of editors have been disrespectful towards Kyle :lol)

I know I guess I should have put my font in blue.

[gambit1990]

The hypocrisy in this post is phenomenal
SAGirl nowhere to be found.

[SPURt]

SAGirl nowhere to be found.
That's not "her" behind the naked girl on the bike in your avatar?

[SnakeBoy]

The hypocrisy in this post is phenomenal

It took me a second but then I lol'ed

[SAGirl]

:lmao Someone is still angry... :lol Touchy feelings much?

[TheGreatYacht]

Is Gambit autistic...or no?
He's not in the helmet crew for nothing

[John B]

Any truth on the 3way trade with Suns helping out? We get Irving and Shumpert. Cavs get Bledsoe, Murray and Green. Suns get Aldridge. I would take Shumpert anytime. I think he can replace Green's defense and more upside offensively. We get something off Aldridge who's walking out next year anyway. Any chance we can sign DLee back as replacement? Does Spur have enough to sign him or does he even want to play for Spurs back? I think Spurs get better with this line up, plus Irving/Gay can help recruit big FA in the future, may Cousins. Damn that would be it. Spurs will run over Dubs or any banana boat lineup.

[dabom]

That's not "her" behind the naked girl on the bike in your avatar?

Are you suggesting she's a dude. :lol

[szkorhetz]

Any truth on the 3way trade with Suns helping out? We get Irving and Shumpert. Cavs get Bledsoe, Murray and Green. Suns get Aldridge. I would take Shumpert anytime. I think he can replace Green's defense and more upside offensively. We get something off Aldridge who's walking out next year anyway. Any chance we can sign DLee back as replacement? Does Spur have enough to sign him or does he even want to play for Spurs back? I think Spurs get better with this line up, plus Irving/Gay can help recruit big FA in the future, may Cousins. Damn that would be it. Spurs will run over Dubs or any banana boat lineup.
Suns not helping unless they can unload Chandler, TBH.

[cutewizard]

better watch game of thrones, lol

[AFMadison]

D Rose meeting with Cavs today so I'm guessing Irving is on his way out for sure.

[tholdren]

Any truth on the 3way trade with Suns helping out? We get Irving and Shumpert. Cavs get Bledsoe, Murray and Green. Suns get Aldridge. I would take Shumpert anytime. I think he can replace Green's defense and more upside offensively. We get something off Aldridge who's walking out next year anyway. Any chance we can sign DLee back as replacement? Does Spur have enough to sign him or does he even want to play for Spurs back? I think Spurs get better with this line up, plus Irving/Gay can help recruit big FA in the future, may Cousins. Damn that would be it. Spurs will run over Dubs or any banana boat lineup.

Irving is a loser and shumpert is a defensive specialist who cant defend. No.

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[venitian navigator]

two trades that work on nba trade machine:

a) Irving for Bertans, Murray, Green, Forbes and Kyle

b) Parker for Tyson Chandler


Both could make sense-

a) for Cleveland, 'couse they gain a lot of young people eager to prove themselves, that know to play together and already well trained in the Spurs system (and two of them with LBJ connection);
for us 'cause it gives us a legitimate second star

b) for us 'cause we need big men and Alridge looks has a good relationship with Chandler; for Phoenix 'cause their direction can't be win now, and it's better for them to re-sign Len and give him and Bender time to grow and at then sametime free a lot of cap money for next year


after the trade we are Irving - Leonard - Gay - Lma - Chandler
White - Mills - Ginobili - x (Lee at minimum ?) - Gasol
x - Paul - Blossomgame - Lauvergne - Costello

[Big Empty]

Rose meeting with Cavs. Writing is on the wall.

[look_at_g_shred]

Rose meeting with Cavs. Writing is on the wall.
I Think it was reported that he was meeting with cavs prior to the news breaking about Irving iirc. Of course the irving meeting did go down last week too so who knows.

[mudyez]

I actually want just one thing to happen right now:

RC calling Kawhi! Ask him, what he wants!

He may want Kyrie and we might still not get him, but show your franchise player, that he is your focus.

Not saying, he should become GM Kawhi, but include him! I don't want him to be pissed off, coz we give up Murray for Kyrie!

[NASpurs]

Fuck if I know who the source is that they're quoting but here you go:

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/07/24/report-kyrie-irving-top-choice-for-trade-is-spurs/

Report: Kyrie Irving’s top choice for trade is Spurs

[Ice009]

Wow. I hope that source is a legit one.

[Dverde]

I would make the other team take JR Smith or Love with Irving. I can't see this working out for the Spurs.

[beirmeistr]

I actually want just one thing to happen right now:

RC calling Kawhi! Ask him, what he wants!

He may want Kyrie and we might still not get him, but show your franchise players, that he is your focus.

Not saying, he should become GM Kawhi, but include him! I don't want him to be pissed off, coz we give up Murray for Kyrie!

that makes sense. kawhi should approve of such a trade. he may prefer parker over irving.