Report: Kyrie Irving Asked Cavs to Trade Him

[ginobilized]

Fascinating development. I hope we get him. Very clutch player, seems respectful and old school in a Spurs kind of way.
We'd need to get a defensive big or two for the team to be balanced.

On the other side of the league, this likely puts Boston one step closer to the finals.

I'd like our chances if we managed to get past GS.

[Ron Swanson]

Maybe if we send this pic to PATFO, they'll get serious about it.

http://basketballbicker.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/kyrieirving-uncle.jpg

[ginobilized]

Maybe if we send this pic to PATFO, they'll get serious about it.

http://basketballbicker.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/kyrieirving-uncle.jpg

:toast:lol

[NASpurs]

Maybe if we send this pic to PATFO, they'll get serious about it.

http://basketballbicker.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/kyrieirving-uncle.jpg

:lmao

[cd98]

How does this hack get to talk sports for a living? SMDH.

888522477147705344

Kawhi is an alpha dog. No way I want anyone but him with the ball if the game is on the line. Kylie would just force a contested 3.

[SnakeBoy]

Lebron is maybe going to be gone anyways, Kyrie knows it and he wants out b4 the Cavs become the old Cavs again.

Or this is CIA Lebron trying to setup his next super team. Hey Kyrie ask for a trade to SA, I'll pretend I want LMA and then join you in SA next year.

[DPG21920]

Let's hope Lebron values Murray like he did Shabazz Napier :lol

[RD2191]

Maybe if we send this pic to PATFO, they'll get serious about it.

http://basketballbicker.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/kyrieirving-uncle.jpg

:lmao

[BD24]

Rather keep and develop Murray. He's still young and raw and can be molded to play within the Spurs offense and his length and quickness makes him a better defender.
Im a big advocate of Murray, buttt don't be a retard.

If you have to give up Murray to get a sure thing in Kyrie to pair with Kawhi for his prime you absolutely fucking do it.

[SAGirl]

IF Kyrie ever landed a Spurs' uniform he would quickly become one of the most talented players ever to don the jersey.

He still owns the AT&T Center's scoring record at 57.

That game was insane. he didn't do it against a cupcake defense like Philly of the past few seasons either. It wasn't some garbage time statpadding either. That was truly an insanely entertaining and competitive game and the dude was super clutch.

[Emperor]

Kawhi is an alpha dog. No way I want anyone but him with the ball if the game is on the line. Kylie would just force a contested 3.

That's the kind of shot that clinched the title in '16.

[Mr. Body]

Meh. Kyrie would improve this team considerably but it ain't happening.

[cjw]

That's the kind of shot that clinched the title in '16.

TBH Parker had two shots like that in game 6 2013, but neither of two other HOFers could knock down two FTs.

Only star who's never hit a clutch shot has been Paul George.

And to the people who won't trade Murray for Kyrie... this isn't 2K where you can do like 20 back to back trades until you have the assets you need for the guy you want. Murray is the biggest trade asset the team has outside of Kawhi, and will be in any deal. You do it 100x out of 100

[coachmac87]

Regardless of what happens I think it's pretty fascinating that Kyrie has Spurs on top of his list...maybe ST perspective on Pop and relationships with elite players is off.....

Regardless what happens this proves Spurs will be big players in FA next year

[SAGirl]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFStkeFV0AIZ3gE?format=jpg&name=large

A 3 team trade that leaves the knicks standing pat in wins and makes two other teams worse. :lol
hard to come up with that. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

How does this hack get to talk sports for a living? SMDH.

888522477147705344
That fat faggot actually posts here. TheWriter

Who knows who he slurps up in the back to get that job...

[TimDunkem]

Don Harris is such a hack. Easily baited on Twitter too.

[cd98]

That's the kind of shot that clinched the title in '16.

It also lost game3 last year. It's a bad shot. Especially when LeBron is an option.

[Spurtacular]

LMA and Murray for Irving. And Parker and Fathead too.

Whatever the fuck they want besides Kawhi (and Manu) for Irving, tbh.

[Spurs9]

Its not up to where Kyrie wants to go, Cavs will do whatever gives them the most back and improves them the most. Cavs don't improve swapping Melo with Kyrie, they would get worse.

[BillMc]

How does this hack get to talk sports for a living? SMDH.

888522477147705344

Kawhi is Alpah enough that LMA is already whining about being his Beta.... Welcome to Celta-hood LMA if Kyrie comes and you're still here.

[duncan2k5]

Does Kyrie have a no trade clause? If he does he can stop them from trading him to a team other than the main ones he wants to go to

[dabom]

Does Kyrie have a no trade clause? If he does he can stop them from trading him to a team other than the main ones he wants to go to

No. He has no say in where he goes.

[Spurs9]

Does Kyrie have a no trade clause? If he does he can stop them from trading him to a team other than the main ones he wants to go to

He doesn't have one.

[BillMc]

Does Kyrie have a no trade clause? If he does he can stop them from trading him to a team other than the main ones he wants to go to

Doesn't have one.

[coachmac87]

Does Kyrie have a no trade clause? If he does he can stop them from trading him to a team other than the main ones he wants to go to


He doesn't have a trade clause...

[Wu36]

Doesn't Kyrie think that earth is flat...Fuck bbiq tbh if it's even there. Top it off with easy trips to the finals and wants out? Also thought I read he wants to build a city for him and a select few this morning...Sounds like a misled person and soon to be inbreader in his new self sustaining city of friends.

[Chillen]

This could be the potential start of the Cavs imploding. If they trade Irving before the season starts they will have to trade LeBron, Love to. I think the fans would be more accepting of a LeBron trade if Kyrie get's traded first. Of course this all could just be a bitter team being a bunch of crybabys for the recent Finals loss and they will get over it and give it one more go.

Spurs absolutely have to pursue a trade for Kyrie if he has interest in being a Spur.

Unless he get's traded in the next week or so this will probably blow over.

[TheGreatYacht]

Doesn't Kyrie think that earth is flat...Fuck bbiq tbh if it's even there. Top it off with easy trips to the finals and wants out? Also thought I read he wants to build a city for him and a select few this morning...Sounds like a misled person and soon to be inbreader in his new self sustaining city of friends.
Let's stick with the status quo and shit role players then. Oh wait.. :lol


The wheels fell off a year ago today.

Who gives a fuck! PATFO screwed this off season.

[tholdren]

I'm still waiting for him to post the shitty Youtube highlights of Kyrie.

Cute wizard is cry havoc is chinook

[cutewizard]

Pls pls make it so

Dòoooooooooooooo it RC

[TheGreatYacht]

:cry he won't talk about NASA and planets with Pop. I don't want him. Plus he was an all star before? Nope. Built not bought baby :cry

[cutewizard]

Cute wizard is cry havoc is chinook

Lol

[cutewizard]

Guys, we all have to admit it.......

If Kyrie joined the Spurs universe, it would move the needle against GS

Cmon guys, admit it

[tholdren]

Guys, we all have to admit it.......

If Kyrie joined the Spurs universe, it would move the needle against GS

Cmon guys, admit it

Cryrie for lamarsha str8 up

[cutewizard]

Lets get it on gentlemen


Where is RC when we need him.............

[SAGirl]

went to get a Fataburger, what did I miss?

Don't worry anderson is still in the team, wearing number one still. :tu

[ElNono]

Don't worry anderson is still in the team, wearing number one still. :tu

damn :D

[tholdren]

Don't worry anderson is still in the team, wearing number one still. :tu

Great i was worried who woukd get those 2mpg in the playoffs

[Wu36]

And? TD retired a year after the spurs were a car thread. And some dude was asking ST for advise about his dream girl fucking somebody else. Kyrie still thinks that earth is flat, wants to build an inbread city, spurs stand their ground as always. ST bitches about the draft/off season. Spurs win many games every year cause they know what they are doing.

[coachmac87]

Parker, Murray +1st works on trade machine...

[tholdren]

Parker, Murray +1st works on trade machine...

So does the spurs bench for lebron

[NASpurs]

And? TD retired a year after the spurs were a car thread. And some dude was asking ST for advise about his dream girl fucking somebody else. Kyrie still thinks that earth is flat, wants to build an inbread city, spurs stand their ground as always. ST bitches about the draft/off season. Spurs win many games every year cause they know what they are doing.

We found ducks other account.

[Ice009]

Interested but is anyone else concerned with the fact that he has an issue taking a backseat to a Top 2 player of all-time? That just makes no sense.

Lebron might be a top 5 player in the first 3 1/2 quarters of a game, but in the last 5 minutes of a game, I'm not even sure I'd put him in the top 30 of all-time. Kyrie has a Kobe like killer instinct with the game on the line. 2016, game 7, if Lebron had of taken that 3-pointer instead, I don't think that it goes in.

ALSO, is there still idiots around here not willing to trade Murray. Unbelievable.

[tholdren]

Lebron might be a top 5 player in the first 3 1/2 quarters of a game, but in the last 5 minutes of a game, I'm not even sure I'd put him in the top 30 of all-time. Kyrie has a Kobe like killer instinct with the game on the line. 2016, game 7, if Lebron had of taken that 3-pointer instead, I don't think that it goes in.

ALSO, is there still idiots around here not willing to trade Murray. Unbelievable.

That was the worst, dumbest shot. As much skill as him shooting a blind full court shot. Just plain stupid. And it went in. Sad.

[SAGirl]

888509417142054912

[coachmac87]

So does the spurs bench for lebron

The trade I posted above is the best/most realistic trade Spurs-Cavs can do heads up....

It won't be done and probably shows the reality of anything going down..

That would be best case scenario though and imo would make Spurs Title favorite

[Wu36]

We found ducks (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13) other account.
Everyone's an alt. This is ST

[tholdren]

The trade I posted above is the best/most realistic trade Spurs-Cavs can do heads up....

It won't be done and probably shows the reality of anything going down..

That would be best case scenario though and imo would make Spurs Title favorite

Kyries iq bb and otherwise make him a liability. He thinks he better than lebron... thats a problem. Hes more effective than lma i think but just as worthless. Only do it if its straight up for lma. And or pau.

[raybies]

:lol this one was funny
:bobo
Shouldn't be a thing really but Spurstalk gonna Spurstalk

[coachmac87]

Kyries iq bb and otherwise make him a liability. He thinks he better than lebron... thats a problem. Hes more effective than lma i think but just as worthless. Only do it if its straight up for lma. And or pau.

I don't believe the "be the man" rumor floating around. This is Kyrie getting ahead knowing LeBron is gone...It'll actually make it easier for LeBron to leave next year..that's why Melo is adamant on Houston and Kyrie is falling on the sword for LeBron..


Dan Gilbert has to be the worst owner of professional sports history. He's gonna lose LeBron TWICE and it possibly could've been avoided if he just hired Billups or paid Griffin..

[tholdren]

I don't believe the "be the man" rumor floating around. This is Kyrie getting ahead knowing LeBron is gone...It'll actually make it easier for LeBron to leave next year..that's why Melo is adamant on Houston and Kyrie is falling on the sword for LeBron..


Dan Gilbert has to be the worst owner of professional sports history. He's gonna lose LeBron TWICE and it possibly could've been avoided if he just hired Billups or paid Griffin..

sad they have to be on that drama the whole career

[TheDoctor]

I don't get people bitchin about Kyrie's defense in the Spurs tbh. As if HoTS or Austin Rivers' son were some sort of Gary Payton in their respective primes :lol Our system will help cover bunch of his defensive issues IMO.

I mean, this motherfucker can score 40+pts in the blink of an eye. Substantially decreasing those defensive liabilities he may have. What other PGs in this League can score at the same as Irving where his defense gonna be a big problem? Steph Curry? Yes, but not even CP3 can do much vs Steph these days. Kyrie won't be guarding Steph most of the time anyway. At the same time Kyrie makes other PGs/teams work hard on defense with his elite drives and finishes/kicks.

In other words, I prefer to have Irving with the ability to score in huge bursts than our current guards who are equally defensive liabilities and can't score at his level.

[tholdren]

I don't get people bitchin about Kyrie's defense in the Spurs tbh. As if HoTS or Austin Rivers' son were some sort of Gary Payton in their respective primes :lol Our system will help cover bunch of his defensive issues IMO.

I mean, this motherfucker can score 40+pts in the blink of an eye. Substantially decreasing those defensive liabilities he may have. What other PGs in this League can score at the same as Irving where his defense gonna be a big problem? Steph Curry? Yes, but not even CP3 can do much vs Steph these days. Kyrie won't be guarding Steph most of the time anyway. At the same time Kyrie makes other PGs/teams work hard on defense with his elite drives and finishes/kicks.

In other words, I prefer to have Irving with the ability to score in huge bursts than our current guards who are equally defensive liabilities and can't score at his level.
Yes. But hes still dumb

[tmtcsc]

LMA and Murray for Irving. And Parker and Fathead too.

http://www.guzer.com/pictures/boy_dog_pray.jpg

[Stabula]

Satan approves Kyrie to the Spurs and will deliver the goods. Trust me, he always wins. Always.

[coachmac87]

sad they have to be on that drama the whole career

What do you mean by that?

[Ron Swanson]

I don't get people bitchin about Kyrie's defense in the Spurs tbh. As if HoTS or Austin Rivers' son were some sort of Gary Payton in their respective primes :lol Our system will help cover bunch of his defensive issues IMO.

I mean, this motherfucker can score 40+pts in the blink of an eye. Substantially decreasing those defensive liabilities he may have. What other PGs in this League can score at the same as Irving where his defense gonna be a big problem? Steph Curry? Yes, but not even CP3 can do much vs Steph these days. Kyrie won't be guarding Steph most of the time anyway. At the same time Kyrie makes other PGs/teams work hard on defense with his elite drives and finishes/kicks.

In other words, I prefer to have Irving with the ability to score in huge bursts than our current guards who are equally defensive liabilities and can't score at his level.


No shit. How many times have we bitched about a lack of creating offense outside of Kawhi?

[tholdren]

What do you mean by that?

I mean the cavs... lebum... have so much drama it has solidified ceilings on careers.

[TheDoctor]

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Kyle's our numero uno and no one else.

[phxspurfan]

Holy shit if this happens I immediately buy season tickets


Edit: quit my job, move to SA to live in a trailer on the east side and immediately buy season tickets

[Ice009]

I don't care about Kyrie too much on the defensive end (I'm defense first and am still signing off on getting him here), as what he does on the offensive end far outweighs it for me. His ability to get to the rim and finish, or collapse the defense and kick it back out is huge. He also has elite handles along with his ability to score points quickly in big bunches, which also more than make up for his shortcomings on defense.

I can't believe anyone would turn him down due to defense when our PGs completely suck ass on defense and are nowhere near him on offense.

If Kyrie is making 22 million, then compared to him Patty Mills is worth about 4-6 million, yet Patty Mills is getting 12.5M and people don't want Kyrie for a few more dollars? His current contract is a steal in comparison to a lot of the other top PGs around the league. Spurs need to do everything they can to get him if the Spurs are indeed his number 1 choice.

[TheDoctor]

Kawhi is an alpha dog. No way I want anyone but him with the ball if the game is on the line. Kylie would just force a contested 3.

Manu's influence all over the League tbh :toast

[BillMc]

Edit: quit my job, move to SA to live in a trailer on the east side and immediately buy season tickets


True fan here. :toast

[TheDoctor]

Maybe if we send this pic to PATFO, they'll get serious about it.

http://basketballbicker.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/kyrieirving-uncle.jpg

Damn. :lol

[tbdog]

Our roster is a mess. We have a bunch of guards and want to trade for one. Our biggest trade chip is one of our two only bigs. We have loyalty to Parker and we can't trade mills. Both of whom are PG's.

[SAGirl]

Our roster is a mess. We have a bunch of guards and want to trade for one. Our biggest trade chip is one of our two only bigs. We have loyalty to Parker and we can't trade mills. Both of whom are PG's.

Spurs should not have signed Mills to that deal... if that caused Manu to finally retire so be it. He needed to retire anyways. Pops is in denial.
There were way more talented guards in the market even b4 this news... /sigh
It's going to be one of those things.... every thread is going to be a "bad Mills contract thread" ... they got him for 4 years too.

[xellos88330]

If and I mean IF he comes here, it could solve so many issues for the Spurs as well as having a proven veteran to give Leonard some time off of being the only player capable of doing anything on offense. I hope that the Spurs get him, but in order to be realistic, I have to bury that feeling. This could be monumental and easily put the Spurs up there with the Warriors even if they had to sacrifice Aldridge in order to do so. Come on PATFO!!! Don't let me down!!!

[Ice009]

If and I mean IF he comes here, it could solve so many issues for the Spurs as well as having a proven veteran to give Leonard some time off of being the only player capable of doing anything on offense. I hope that the Spurs get him, but in order to be realistic, I have to bury that feeling. This could be monumental and easily put the Spurs up there with the Warriors even if they had to sacrifice Aldridge in order to do so. Come on PATFO!!! Don't let me down!!!

The problem is, the Spurs have poor assets. I don't think we have the assets to get it done.

[DPG21920]

The problem is, the Spurs have poor assets. I don't think we have the assets to get it done.

Who has the assets to get it done IYO?

[Barfunk]

Damn, do want, but the Spurs just don't have that kind of luck, lol.

[Phenomanul]

Our roster is a mess. We have a bunch of guards and want to trade for one. Our biggest trade chip is one of our two only bigs. We have loyalty to Parker and we can't trade mills. Both of whom are PG's.

Mills actually works best off the ball... Kyrie somewhat helps out on that front... especially on out-of-timeout-drawn-up-plays where Patty or Danny would play the SG slot to space the floor for Kyrie's penetrations.

[Phenomanul]

Spurs should not have signed Mills to that deal... if that caused Manu to finally retire so be it. He needed to retire anyways. Pops is in denial.
There were way more talented guards in the market even b4 this news... /sigh
It's going to be one of those things.... every thread is going to be a "bad Mills contract thread" ... they got him for 4 years too.

You needed more evidence that you didn't want Manu back...? (here it is)...

You cant replace what Manu brings to the table with what was available out there... EVEN at freaking 40.

I'm all for Manu playing 12 minutes a night, and taking several DNPs... that said, I understand he can still contribute.

[Ice009]

Who has the assets to get it done IYO?

Sorry to not answer the question, I need to think about it a bit more, but one question I have is - do you think the Cavs are going to look for a star player in return to pair with Lebron this season, or do you think they're going to want to rebuild?

[SAGirl]

You needed more evidence that you didn't want Manu back...? (here it is)...

You cant replace what Manu brings to the table with what was available out there... EVEN at freaking 40.

I'm all for Manu playing 12 minutes a night, and taking several DNPs... that said, I understand he can still contribute.

Manu is 40. He needs rest games... his play declines sharply on B2B, it also declines past the 20 minute mark etc. This is not an insult to him. Spurs need to get younger in top tier talent. It doesn't help them to have loaded up on guards ages 21-24 if these guys don't move the needle. If Mills not being reupped tilted the needle towards retirement for Manu, he needed to retire anyways. what kind of reason is that not to retire? I will come back only if I get to play with my pal? TF out of here with that.

[Ron Swanson]

Who has the assets to get it done IYO?

Boston does but Cleveland will not trade him to the team who has the best shot of knocking them out of the ECF. Given that, it's up in the air for now. Realistically, I see the Cavs holding on to Kyrie and possibly looking at a trade before the deadline. A lot of things can change between now and then.

[horsielove]

kawhi for irving. who says no?

[DPG21920]

Sorry to not answer the question, I need to think about it a bit more, but one question I have is - do you think the Cavs are going to look for a star player in return to pair with Lebron this season, or do you think they're going to want to rebuild?

I absolutely think they want win-now players. If they lose Kyrie, they aren't going to give up hope on Lebron until he leaves. So they are likely to appease him more by getting more win-now guys.

[tbdog]

If the spurs give Green plus whatever, and cavs sign Rose. That's not a loss for them. Green is a huge upgrade at the 2. But we can't give up lma without getting a starting big in return.

[Ron Swanson]

kawhi for irving. who says no?

This is retarded on so many levels and yet it doesn't surprise me to see it posted here.

[DPG21920]

Boston does but Cleveland will not trade him to the team who has the best shot of knocking them out of the ECF. Given that, it's up in the air for now. Realistically, I see the Cavs holding on to Kyrie and possibly looking at a trade before the deadline. A lot of things can change between now and then.

I agree with the holding him part (like LMA with SA if the price is not met).

But even without a no-trade clause, which teams have the assets? You said BOS. If Kyrie said he does not want to play for anyone but the 4 teams he listed, and you are BOS that is not one of those teams, are you trading prime assets for Kyrie when you know he can simply leave in a couple years or do what he's doing to CLE and force his way out?

[horsielove]

This is retarded on so many levels and yet it doesn't surprise me to see it posted here.

:lol

[Ron Swanson]

I agree with the holding him part (like LMA with SA if the price is not met).

But even without a no-trade clause, which teams have the assets? You said BOS. If Kyrie said he does not want to play for anyone but the 4 teams he listed, and you are BOS that is not one of those teams, are you trading prime assets for Kyrie when you know he can simply leave in a couple years or do what he's doing to CLE and force his way out?

That's a very good point. I honestly don't know if BOS would pull the trigger on that trade. I just think they have the assets to get it done now, if they want to go that route.

[xellos88330]

The problem is, the Spurs have poor assets. I don't think we have the assets to get it done.

This is why I'm trying to stay realistic. The thing is that it is too enticing to not entertain the idea of Kyrie on the Spurs. I just hope that PATFO is trying their hardest to get him instead of letting the opportunity slip by without having exhausted every option. It is pretty much up to the Cavs though. Let's just hope that they want to send him where he wants to go.

[Phenomanul]

Manu is 40. He needs rest games... his play declines sharply on B2B, it also declines past the 20 minute mark etc. This is not an insult to him. Spurs need to get younger in top tier talent. It doesn't help them to have loaded up on guards ages 21-24 if these guys don't move the needle. If Mills not being reupped tilted the needle towards retirement for Manu, he needed to retire anyways. what kind of reason is that not to retire? I will come back only if I get to play with my pal? TF out of here with that.

And yet the 39 year old was outplaying everyone on the Spurs not named Kawhi just 2 months ago... THAT's why your notion that he's got nothing left doesn't make any sense in light of the evidence.

[gospursgojas]

Haven't been in this thread in a few hours. Can someone summarize pages 7-20 for me?

[marinoman]

The roster construction is so poor that if we give up LMA and another to get Irving then only two bigs will be gasol and that Joeffry guy. If we at least get reed we'd be aight. Don't get me wrong, I'd take kyrie if we can get him, but this team is gonna have serious holes in the roster no matter what

[ElNono]

In before "we didn't want him anyways, we have Tony, Patty and Dijon"

[DPG21920]

That's a very good point. I honestly don't know if BOS would pull the trigger on that trade. I just think they have the assets to get it done now, if they want to go that route.

There are many teams that have great assets but if Kyrie doesn't want to play for you are you offering up those great assets for someone who could be a short-term rental at best?

[SAGirl]

And yet the 39 year old was outplaying everyone on the Spurs not named Kawhi just 2 months ago... THAT's why your notion that he's got nothing left doesn't make any sense in light of the evidence.

That is a misstatement. He had a few good games but so did others too. He also played even though he was throwing blanks for 5 games in a row.. while Spurs youngsters don't get that chance. A year older Manu. Not hating on Manu but if Mills not being reupped pushed him over the edge to retire, he needed to retire anyways. You want to be a fanboy and stay in denial that is fine by me. But I am not in that boat.

[SAGirl]

In before "we didn't want him anyways, we have Tony, Patty and Dijon"

Nah... I wanted him.. I wanted CP3... etc.
I wasn't in some Dijon is untradeable bandwagon either.
I didn't want Patty to get overpaid, even less when it happened at 12:01 and I also was ambivalent about Manu. Considering what they did ... stand pat, yes they need him.
But I wanted the Spurs to improve at the guards spots this season.

If they do nothing, then yea sure, I'll watch Dijon, White, BP3, and whoever else. I liked Forbes as much as anyone else too. But I wasn't in some let's stand pat wagon.

[SAGirl]

Haven't been in this thread in a few hours. Can someone summarize pages 7-20 for me?

no news... guys suggesting interesting or ridiculous trades... speculation, Chinook arguing against trading LMA and Danny and whoever else for Kyrie was probably the most interesting discussion...

[coachmac87]

It's pretty obvious why Kyrie would want to play for the Spurs...

He gets to play for Pop who he probably thinks will take his game to the next level...

He wouldn't have to share the ball like he did with LeBron..Kawhi would play off him and honestly could be a better fit...

Spurs would be set for NOW and the FUTURE...and would be contenders for years to come...

It would fix his reputation of not being a winner..:that's his knock..he's just a star padder without LeBron...

[tholdren]

It's pretty obvious why Kyrie would want to play for the Spurs...

He gets to play for Pop who he probably thinks will take his game to the next level...

He wouldn't have to share the ball like he did with LeBron..Kawhi would play off him and honestly could be a better fit...

Spurs would be set for NOW and the FUTURE...and would be contenders for years to come...

It would fix his reputation of not being a winner..:that's his knock..he's just a star padder without LeBron...

Dont forget hes stupid as shit

[coachmac87]

Dont forget hes stupid as shit

How so?

[Robz4000]

Who has the assets to get it done IYO?

Of Irving's four preferred teams the Spurs are last in terms of trade assets. Even the Knocks have Melo who may sway Lebron to stay in Cleveland (albeit to even waive his no-trade clause he'd prolly need assurance Lebron is staying).

[UnWantedTheory]

He is stupid as shit because he is a flat earther for starters.

[DPG21920]

Of Irving's four preferred teams the Spurs are last in terms of trade assets. Even the Knocks have Melo who may sway Lebron to stay in Cleveland (albeit to even waive his no-trade clause he'd prolly need assurance Lebron is staying).

You can't say Melo is an asset then say SA is last. SA has LMA. By all measurable things, even in a "bad" year for LMA, LMA grades out better than Melo.

[marinoman]

Of Irving's four preferred teams the Spurs are last in terms of trade assets. Even the Knocks have Melo who may sway Lebron to stay in Cleveland (albeit to even waive his no-trade clause he'd prolly need assurance Lebron is staying).
I read on bleacher report that melo said he only wants the rockets now cause of the kyrie news.
Oh and bucks have apparently already made an offer

[mosdef17]

https://i.imgur.com/l4t3zzS.jpg

[Robz4000]

You can't say Melo is an asset then say SA is last. SA has LMA. By all measurable things, even in a "bad" year for LMA, LMA grades out better than Melo.

Even if LMA is the better player, he doesn't fill a need. Neither does Melo, but at least he might keep the best player on the planet from jumping ship.

[coachmac87]

You can't say Melo is an asset then say SA is last. SA has LMA. By all measurable things, even in a "bad" year for LMA, LMA grades out better than Melo.

Yeah but why would they take LMA if they already have Love, Thompson?

[DPG21920]

Yeah but why would they take LMA if they already have Love, Thompson?

They may not take LMA (moved to a third team) or they may move someone like Love/Thompson in a deal as well.

[DAF86]

Kawhi and Kyrie would push $80 Million in combined salary by the second year of their new contracts. That's assuming a flat cap. That leaves like $20 Million minus 10 roster charges. So that's $11 Million in cap space. So they'd be able to add a Haslem-level player, but it would take some time to build up depth. It's anyone's guess how much the cap will grow or if it will actually shrink soon. If it's expected to grow, you get Cousins to come on and hope three max deals and filler can carry you to victory. But in order for that to work, you need guys on cheap deals, which means draft picks and prospects. You get rid of those guys, you only have ring-chasers, and even with Leonard and Irving, it's not obvious the Spurs would get their pick of that crop.

Here's how I see it:

You give a Nets-like deal if the Cavs are willing to just take Parker's contract
You give up two picks and Murray and Bertans along with Green and swapping Parker for Smith/Shump
You give up two of those picks/prospects if LMA is going out, because you still need to replace him, and because LMA is more important than Green
You give up a lot less than that if you move LMA and Green. You essentially give youself one off-season to build a title team and need to keep a future either to recover or to fill in the cracks.

How the fuck can other teams allow themselves to have big 3's and even big 4's then? Something doesn't add up, tbh. Even you are talking about the idea of adding a third max contract guy (in Cousins) but are also saying that Kawhi and Irving would consume 80% of the cap space. Get in line with yourself, tbh.

Anyway, I don't give a fuck. If you have a chance to add Irving, you do it. Specially if it is at Aldridge's expense, tbh.

[cd98]

Celtics could completely destroy Cavs if they send some of their assets to the Spurs for LMA, and then the Spurs use those assets to land Kyrie. They get the big they need while moving Cavs' #2 to the West mortally weakening the Cavs and making Celts the favorite in the east. Cavs can start rebuild for when LeBron leaves. And Spurs finally get a PG.

[SAGirl]

888495773062758402

[raybies]

So the plot thickens... what if they trade Love and Irving.

Spurs get Irving
Cavs get LMA, Murray, Melo
New York gets Love or assets from another team that wants Love

Cleveland is talking to Rose and if they get him they have a stop gap at point.

Rose, Smith, Lebron, Melo, Aldridge
Calderon, Shumpert, Jefferson, Korver, Thompson, Frye, Murray

I mean there's been worse GM's. That's not bad on paper. They'd likely want Shumpert and Frye gone. This might be me but I'd take Frye, and to a much lesser extent Shumpert. Too many years on his deal and can't shoot well. How's Frye defense? Liability?

My guess a deal could get done with Murray, Aldridge, Green, and try not to include a first. I just wouldn't want to lose Green though.

Irving/Green/Leonard/Anderson/Gasol
Mills/Manu/Gay/Bertans/Joff
Forbes/White/Paul

Gay could close, for Anderson, but man we'd just need a solid big on D and isn't a stiff on Offense for small ball. I'd imagine in this scenario PATFO might take a look at Lee. Who's left with a pulse?

[SAGirl]

888521717336875008

[SAGirl]

So the plot thickens... what if they trade Love and Irving.

Spurs get Irving
Cavs get LMA, Murray, Melo
New York gets Love or assets from another team that wants Love

Cleveland is talking to Rose and if they get him they have a stop gap at point.

Rose, Smith, Lebron, Melo, Aldridge
Calderon, Shumpert, Jefferson, Korver, Thompson, Frye, Murray

I mean there's been worse GM's. That's not bad on paper. They'd likely want Shumpert and Frye gone. This might be me but I'd take Frye, and to a much lesser extent Shumpert. Too many years on his deal and can't shoot well. How's Frye defense? Liability?

My guess a deal could get done with Murray, Aldridge, Green, and try not to include a first. I just wouldn't want to lose Green though.

Irving/Green/Leonard/Anderson/Gasol
Mills/Manu/Gay/Bertans/Joff
Forbes/White/Paul

Gay could close, for Anderson, but man we'd just need a solid big on D and isn't a stiff on Offense for small ball. I'd imagine in this scenario PATFO might take a look at Lee. Who's left with a pulse?
Reed was available but they passed on him, at this point they need to cut someone to add a big. Javale McGee? Withey? Look at this list:
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/center/available/

Centers: (http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/center/available/)




Tyler Zeller (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/10825/)
C
27
UFA
BOS
TBD
-
-
-
-



Festus Ezeli (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/10855/)
C
27
UFA
POR
TBD
-
-
-
-


Boris Diaw (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6089/)
C
35
UFA
UTH
TBD
-
-
-
-


Roy Hibbert (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6113/)
C
30
UFA
DEN
TBD
-
-
-
-


Jordan Hill (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6310/)
C
29
UFA
MIN
TBD
-
-
-
-


Justin Hamilton (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/10870/)
C
27
UFA
TOR
TBD
-
-
-
-


Marreese Speights (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6145/)
C
29
UFA
LAC
TBD
-
-
-
-


JaVale McGee (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6159/)
C
29
UFA
GSW
TBD
-
-
-
-


Stephen Zimmerman (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/20247/)
C
20
UFA
ORL
TBD
-
-
-
-


Jeff Withey (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/13352/)
C
27
UFA
UTH
TBD
-
-
-
-


Joel Anthony (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2543/)
C
34
UFA
SAS
TBD
-
-
-
-



Traditional PF:
Tiago Splitter (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/7119/)


PF
32
UFA
PHI
TBD
-
-
-
-


LaVoy Allen (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/8102/)
PF
28
UFA
IND
TBD
-
-
-
-


Kris Humphries (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2739/)
PF
32
UFA
ATL
TBD
-
-
-
-


Udonis Haslem (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2549/)
PF
37
UFA
MIA
TBD
-
-
-
-


Dante Cunningham (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6321/)
PF
30
UFA
NOP
TBD
-
-
-
-


Adreian Payne (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/15367/)
PF
26
UFA
MIN
TBD
-
-
-
-


David Lee (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2623/)
PF
34
UFA
SAS
TBD
-
-
-
-


Brandon Bass (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2270/)
PF
32
UFA
LAC
TBD
-
-
-
-


Jordan Mickey (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/17861/)
PF
23
UFA
BOS
TBD
-
-
-
-


Rakeem Christmas (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/17864/)
PF
25
UFA
IND
TBD
-
-
-
-


Willie Reed (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/11665/)
PF
27
UFA
MIA
TBD
-
-
-
-


Thomas Robinson (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/10813/)
PF
26
UFA
LAL
TBD
-
-
-
-


Christian Wood (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/18218/)
PF
21
UFA
CHA
TBD
-
-
-
-


Marshall Plumlee (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/20282/)
PF
25
UFA
NYK
TBD
-
-
-
-


Maurice N'dour (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/18047/)
PF
25
UFA
NYK
TBD
-
-
-
-


Kyle Wiltjer (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/20274/)
PF
24
UFA
LAC
TBD
-
-
-
-


Donatas Motiejunas (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/8071/)
PF
26
UFA
NOP
TBD
-
-
-
-


Ryan Kelly (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/13361/)
PF
26
UFA
HOU
TBD
-
-
-
-


Derrick Williams (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/8052/)
PF
26
UFA
CLE
TBD
-
-
-
-

[coachmac87]

888521717336875008

That's the exact trade I posted earlier...

It's kinda sad but that's best/realistic Spurs-Cavs can do straight up....

[raybies]

Reed was available but they passed on him, at this point they need to cut someone to add a big. Javale McGee? Withey? Look at this list:
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/center/available/




Tyler Zeller (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/10825/)
C
27
UFA
BOS
TBD
-
-
-
-


Festus Ezeli (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/10855/)
C
27
UFA
POR
TBD
-
-
-
-


Boris Diaw (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6089/)
C
35
UFA
UTH
TBD
-
-
-
-


Roy Hibbert (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6113/)
C
30
UFA
DEN
TBD
-
-
-
-


Jordan Hill (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6310/)
C
29
UFA
MIN
TBD
-
-
-
-


Justin Hamilton (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/10870/)
C
27
UFA
TOR
TBD
-
-
-
-


Marreese Speights (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6145/)
C
29
UFA
LAC
TBD
-
-
-
-


JaVale McGee (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6159/)
C
29
UFA
GSW
TBD
-
-
-
-


Stephen Zimmerman (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/20247/)
C
20
UFA
ORL
TBD
-
-
-
-


Jeff Withey (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/13352/)
C
27
UFA
UTH
TBD
-
-
-
-


Joel Anthony (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2543/)
C
34
UFA
SAS
TBD
-
-
-
-



Speights or Bono might work for small ball 5. Diaw might actually be perfect cause of his experience. And I'm just thinking like Warriors here but Boris could guard Draymond, and theoretically switch if he's got anything left in the tank.

I know you wouldn't want to see him get minutes over Anderson but he could over Bertans in this scenario.

Mills/Manu/Gay/Boris/Joff ... that ball would move. Still would need another C though

Edit: Splitter 😂 bring back the foreign legion. The bench would be happy. Would be fun year or miserable due to injuries

[marinoman]

Reed was available but they passed on him, at this point they need to cut someone to add a big. Javale McGee? Withey? Look at this list:
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/center/available/




Tyler Zeller (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/10825/)
C
27
UFA
BOS
TBD
-
-
-
-


Festus Ezeli (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/10855/)
C
27
UFA
POR
TBD
-
-
-
-


Boris Diaw (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6089/)
C
35
UFA
UTH
TBD
-
-
-
-


Roy Hibbert (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6113/)
C
30
UFA
DEN
TBD
-
-
-
-


Jordan Hill (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6310/)
C
29
UFA
MIN
TBD
-
-
-
-


Justin Hamilton (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/10870/)
C
27
UFA
TOR
TBD
-
-
-
-


Marreese Speights (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6145/)
C
29
UFA
LAC
TBD
-
-
-
-


JaVale McGee (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/6159/)
C
29
UFA
GSW
TBD
-
-
-
-


Stephen Zimmerman (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/20247/)
C
20
UFA
ORL
TBD
-
-
-
-


Jeff Withey (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/13352/)
C
27
UFA
UTH
TBD
-
-
-
-


Joel Anthony (http://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2543/)
C
34
UFA
SAS
TBD
-
-
-
-





McGee is a liability on defense for pick n rolls. I think that's why he played so sparingly in the finals. He plays confused

[SAGirl]

Speights or Bono might work for small ball 5. Diaw might actually be perfect cause of his experience. And I'm just thinking like Warriors here but Boris could guard Draymond, and theoretically switch if he's got anything left in the tank.

I know you wouldn't want to see him get minutes over Anderson but he could over Bertans in this scenario.

Mills/Manu/Gay/Boris/Joff ... that ball would move. Still would need another C though

I edited my original post to add traditional PF, they have guys like Tiago still available there... I'd just as soon choose someone who is defensive minded. I have no idea about Joff Lauvergne tbh so I am not giving opinions on him. I'll be thrilled if he turns out somewhat like Baynes, but he was apparently absolutely godawful as a small ball center and that is why he played as a PF, while being horrible as a shooter. I am not sure what he's doing in the team except soaking up regular minutes for injured players. If you remember, in that essay by Manu he talked just a little bit about him and mentioned in passing, that he could be behind LMA and Pau... IMO that would have been the same spot available to DLee and thus he declined his option and decided to test his luck in the market even when injured. With LMA being theoretically traded, maybe Lee would want to join the team? It's just a suggestion. At this point i do prefer Lee to Diaw if I must choose. Diaw is checked out. He was absolutely godawful last season for the Jazz and the season prior he was already losing minutes to a still shy 22 year old Anderson.... And you run the risk of, if you don't play Diaw, he will coast, balloon to 400 pounds lol and have to be cut. It's one of the reasons Diaw admitted Pop had him play in garbage time and such, to give him a workout. I would pass on Diaw at this point, and I used to love him. I would take DLee or someone else... For defense, probably Withey. I hope Joff Lauvergne is not as bad as he is in my mind tbh.

[Mal]

https://i.imgur.com/l4t3zzS.jpg

Good deal, but would like to stick with Forbes. Don't think he is deal breaker in any sense in this deal.

Then Cavs send Green + Love for Melo to Cavs.

[Ice009]

Good deal, but would like to stick with Forbes. Don't think he is deal breaker in any sense in this deal.

Then Cavs send Green + Love for Melo to Cavs.

I could dig all that. I've kind wanted to see both Tyson Chander and Shumpert on the Spurs years ago, so I wouldn't mind seeing what they can do now, that is, if we get Kyrie to go with them.

I hope the front office is all over this trying to make a deal happen. Pop needs to give Kyrie a call and get him to push for the Spurs to drive away other suitors.

I'm not sure if this is an official Rudy Gay instagram account (it seems like some kind of backup account, or team account https://www.instagram.com/rudygay8/), but he has a picture of Kyrie in a Spurs uniform saying "u comin or what???"

[gambit1990]

not a kyrie fan. i want the spurs to be a part of the deal but i don't want kyrie.

[Uriel]

FWIW, I tried putting Kyrie Irving on the Spurs in 2K and they immediately shot up to #1 in team rating.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFUcxauUIAA7fC7?format=jpg

[ElNono]

We already had the better player, tbh...

http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/55/26/64/11889923/7/1024x1024.jpg

[Stabula]

Bring back Nando de Colo

[100%duncan]

:lol people overvalue the garbage that this team has tbh. On one side you have suggestions of a trade without adding Aldridge in it (as bad as he is, he is the best asset that we have right now), on the other you have others like Chinook, DPG not wanting to trade LMA and Green for kyrie irving.

[Raven]

he's not coming and Aldridge is the better player anyway.

[szkorhetz]

he's not coming and Aldridge is the better player anyway.
Agreed on the first part but the second is :lol

[tbdog]

You do your damnest to keep lma and ship out some guards starting with green and Murray. We are still short in salary. Can't we do what rockets did an acquire ungaranteed contracts?

[TheGreatYacht]

Jesus Christ posters here have reached the senile stage of threads like these.

Hopefully the "We didn't want him anyways" heartbroken stage isn't next.

[Raven]

Agreed on the first part but the second is :lol

undeniable?

[cutewizard]

Im one of the senile ones.

...i keep doing google every 15 mins, checking out kyrie news......

Im totally stupid lol

[cutewizard]

Kawhi Gay and Kyrie, hmmm.....not very bad hey??

Uhmm

[Chinook]

How the fuck can other teams allow themselves to have big 3's and even big 4's then? Something doesn't add up, tbh. Even you are talking about the idea of adding a third max contract guy (in Cousins) but are also saying that Kawhi and Irving would consume 80% of the cap space. Get in line with yourself, tbh.

Anyway, I don't give a fuck. If you have a chance to add Irving, you do it. Specially if it is at Aldridge's expense, tbh.

The Warriors are in an unprecedented level of tax hell going forward. Miami was too. Cleveland would be in bad tax straights even without some of those bad contracts.The Spurs could not survive with that type of bill. They have to be able to keep a balanced budget. Irving isn't a top-five player at his position and honestly shouldn't get a max with a stagnating cap. But he'd get one if the Spurs traded for him. Unless Kawhi becomes Lebron, he and Irving aren't a title duo, and if Kawhi becomes Lebron, he doesn't need an Irving to win.

Irving is so bad on defense that I don't think people truly understand it. Acquiring him and hoping the team's defensive personnel can make up for it is one thing; trading your second- and third-best defenders for him is another.

[Chinook]

:lol people overvalue the garbage that this team has tbh. On one side you have suggestions of a trade without adding Aldridge in it (as bad as he is, he is the best asset that we have right now), on the other you have others like Chinook, DPG not wanting to trade LMA and Green for kyrie irving.

The Spurs with Green and LMA have a better chance at a title this year than with Irving. Maybe three weeks ago when they had a chance to adjust that wasn't the case. But they can't fill those holes anymore. They'd become a mediocre defensive team and have no chance at stopping GS.

[vander]

not often (ever?) a young elite player wants to come to SA, might want to take advantage of this rare opportunity

[callo1]

Rose makes better sense tbqh. He had a decent year on a horrid team, and he could be had on the cheap. It just seems like the Spurs have little interest at this point.

I like Uncle Drew a lot, but LA is going to have a very solid year next season. He has to redeem will be playing for his last significant contract, so redemption is completely necessary.

Rose could be had for a 1 year 3 million deal.

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[hater]

Rose doesnt change the outcome of a 4-0 warriors sweep

Kyrie does

Why in the world bring up that shitbag into a kyrie thread?

[cutewizard]

Rose doesnt change the outcome of a 4-0 warriors sweep

Kyrie does

Why in the world bring up that shitbag into a kyrie thread?

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Agree, Kyrie moves the needle somewhat...perhaps one or two games, uhm

[BillMc]

If part of it was switching Love for LMA would you bite?

[szkorhetz]

If part of it was switching Love for LMA would you bite?
Love next to Leonard and Gasol would make a ton of sense on O. Defense would slip though, but offense would be on Warriors level.

[sasaint]

If part of it was switching Love for LMA would you bite?

Not following how we would swap LMA and change for Kyrie and still have LMA to swap for Love... What is your complete trade scenario.

If we were to move LMA for Kyrie, we would have to get a big somewhere.

[BillMc]

Not following how we would swap LMA and change for Kyrie and still have LMA to swap for Love... What is your complete trade scenario.

If we were to move LMA for Kyrie, we would have to get a big somewhere.

There are plenty of trade scenarios where we don't trade LMA for Kyrie. If we were trading Parker or Green or whomever plus picks for Kyrie, but the Cavs who might want out from Loves long term contract can get LMA and his shorter contract, they might want to do that and make it a condition of the Kyrie for whomever part of the deal.

Cavs aren't going to want both LMA and Love, and we'll need a big. But we lose defense and long term cap flexibility taking on Love's contract.

[DesignatedT]

The Spurs have no chance against GS as currently configured and have no chance at GS if you just swap Green and Aldridge for Irving either. Going forward though, getting a 25 yo Irving is a no brainer to pair with Kawhi and you worry about getting other pieces next offseason. Highly doubtful the Spurs will attract a better talent via free agency. Green and Aldridge? :lol ughhh yeah do the deal if that's all it takes. Throw in Murray, forbes, fathead, whatever it takes.

[dbestpro]

Anthony now does not want to go to Cleveland because James may not be there next year. He already had Rose as PG, and did not work well, if Cleveland signs Rose. He wants Houston or is willing to stand pat. Miami sending Winslow and Dragic might make sense, but unless Winslow ups his game it does not make Cleveland better. LMA, and Green for Kyrie and spare parts works, while sending Love to Phx for Beldsoe works. It also would make the current Cavs better. Suns may want a first eound pick from someone to finish the deal.

[Canyonero]

So when is he signing?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Can't believe there are idiots calling for Rose over Kyrie. Use your brain.

[Big Empty]

If we did land Irving though and it doesnt work out, we could trade him for some other top talent. We really cant do that with LaMarcus. Thats why its a win win situation. Kyrie is cheap and under contract 3 more seasons i believe

[sasaint]

There are plenty of trade scenarios where we don't trade LMA for Kyrie. If we were trading Parker or Green or whomever plus picks for Kyrie, but the Cavs who might want out from Loves long term contract can get LMA and his shorter contract, they might want to do that and make it a condition of the Kyrie for whomever part of the deal.

Cavs aren't going to want both LMA and Love, and we'll need a big. But we lose defense and long term cap flexibility taking on Love's contract.

Gotcha. I just don't see PATFO being that aggressive and trading his French son whole he is lame.

[siraulo23]

PATFO probably arent even trying to make a deal. Pops on vacation and RC is probably like "we like what we have"

[Big Empty]

PATFO probably arent even trying to make a deal. Pops on vacation and RC is probably like "we like what we have"ha this is my gut feeling...

[Chomag]

I highly doubt the FO is even trying

[RD2191]

What could be better for the cavs than what the Spurs have to offer? (If they're offering) 2 legit starters and a possible third in Murray? That's a steal for a player that asked for a trade. LMA/LBJ/Green easily win the east this upcoming season imo

[DPG21920]

I highly doubt the FO is even trying

Well then you honestly do not know much about nba front offices tbh..

[TimDunkem]

I highly doubt the FO is even tryingNo doubt. They're content with what they have. I'd be surprised to hear that RC even put the bottle down and picked up the phone.

[DPG21920]

What could be better for the cavs than what the Spurs have to offer? (If they're offering) 2 legit starters and a possible third in Murray? That's a steal for a player that asked for a trade. LMA/LBJ/Green easily win the east this upcoming season imo

Plenty of teams can offer more - it's just are they willing to with Kyrie forcing his way out of CLE and possibly do the same to them?

[TimDunkem]

Well then you honestly do not know much about nba front offices tbh..
http://i.imgur.com/whWhq69.png : "We like what we have :nerd"

[Mugen]

Murray/Danny/LMA for Irving tbh...

Who's the Cavs GM right now? Gilbert's mongoloid son? Make it happen RC.

[RD2191]

Plenty of teams can offer more - it's just are they willing to with Kyrie forcing his way out of CLE and possibly do the same to them?

What team can offer two starters and a young prospect?

[Ice009]

PATFO probably arent even trying to make a deal. Pops on vacation and RC is probably like "we like what we have"

I will be bitterly disappointed if they don't try, and try hard. It's not too often a young star player asks to be traded and the Spurs are one of his top choices. As Big Empty said, you can always trade him later if things don't work out or he doesn't click with the team. This could save the off-season. There's no guarantees we get someone better next off-season, so you may as well try to go for it now. This is the bold move I was talking about a few days ago. If they try their best to get a trade done and it if doesn't work out, then that is all good with me, I will roll with this current team as I am excited to see what Rudy Gay can do with the Spurs (I hope he comes back from his injury healthy and strong, same with TP too), but they need to try and get Kyrie if he wants to be on the Spurs. It's a fucking open invitation.

[TheGreatYacht]

What team can offer two starters and a young prospect?
None.

Knicks - :lol Melo (who Cavs didn't even want to give up Love for)
Wolves - :lol Pekovic, Dieng
Heat - :lol Bustlow, Ellington, Tyler Johnson

[Keepin' it real]

Is Kyrie gonna buy LMA's house?

[Texas_Ranger]

What team can offer two starters and a young prospect?

NY can offer Melo which I am not sure they really want
Wolves can offer Wiggins and Dieng
Heat can offer Dragic, Winslow or Tyler Johnson

The Spurs offer of LMA, Green and Murray actualy looks like the 3rd best out of those four.

[SAGirl]

not often (ever?) a young elite player wants to come to SA, might want to take advantage of this rare opportunity
specially over Aldridge who doesn't want to be in SA. I think guys just gloss over the cancer that he's become.

[BillMc]

Great days for the Dubs. Their only two true rials each have had major players demand a trade (LMA, Kyrie respectively) Both have a good chance of being weaker next year.

[sananspursfan21]

Well then you honestly do not know much about nba front offices tbh..

This. Phones I'm sure are going crazy right now. I think it would be eye opening if a front office revealed all the deals they've attempted in throughout history. I bet every time a star has been made available, the Spurs FO has at least put out feelers.

[BatManu20]

NYC still seems like the most likely destination.

[sananspursfan21]

NY can offer Melo which I am not sure they really want
Wolves can offer Wiggins and Dieng
Heat can offer Dragic, Winslow or Tyler Johnson

The Spurs offer of LMA, Green and Murray actualy looks like the 3rd best out of those four.


If cleveland really wanted melo, it should have happened already

[r0drig0lac]

NY can offer Melo which I am not sure they really want
Wolves can offer Wiggins and Dieng
Heat can offer Dragic, Winslow or Tyler Johnson

The Spurs offer of LMA, Green and Murray actualy looks like the 3rd best out of those four.

no way

[BatManu20]

Yep.

888756581369749504

[sasaint]

If cleveland really wanted melo, it should have happened already

Exactly. :tu

[NASpurs]

Yep.

888756581369749504


Apparently Schultz is a putz so I wouldn't put much stock into what he spews.

People who post his tweets on r/nba get their threads deleted because the guy has a bad reputation. :lol

Even Clutchfans shit on Schultz: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/kyrie-wants-out.284367/page-23

[sasaint]

Yep.

888756581369749504

Once again, when the smoke clears the Spurs are just cold coals.

[TheGreatYacht]

Yep.

888756581369749504
Cavs would get totally cucked with that

[SAGirl]

There are plenty of trade scenarios where we don't trade LMA for Kyrie. If we were trading Parker or Green or whomever plus picks for Kyrie, but the Cavs who might want out from Loves long term contract can get LMA and his shorter contract, they might want to do that and make it a condition of the Kyrie for whomever part of the deal.

Cavs aren't going to want both LMA and Love, and we'll need a big. But we lose defense and long term cap flexibility taking on Love's contract.
Don't want Love. LMA for Kyrie I am on board with bc 1.LMA wants out. 2. Spurs need top tier scoring talent at the guards spots. 3. Spurs already intended to play smaller and have 3 PF that suit their needs in Gay, Anderson and Bertans. LMA was going to play center the most he's played it in his life and be disgruntled about it, then bolt. You have to replace a center and not a PF based on Pop's apparent plan.

[sasaint]

Don't want Love. LMA for Kyrie I am on board with bc 1.LMA wants out. 2. Spurs need top tier scoring talent at the guards spots. 3. Spurs already intended to play smaller and have 3 PF that suit their needs in Gay, Anderson and Bertans. LMA was going to play center the most he's played it in his life and be disgruntled about it, then bolt. You have to replace a center and not a PF based on Pop's apparent plan.

But you need to replace a center now. Who do you have in mind?

[DPG21920]

What team can offer two starters and a young prospect?

Pretty much every team - depends on your definition of starter (and quality of those starters) and young prospect (and the ceiling of that prospect).

BOS: Isiah Thomas & Marcus Smart + Jaylen Brown meets that criteria
CHA: Kemba Walker & Batum + Kaminsky meets that criteria
MIA: Hassan Whiteside & Dragic + Winslow meets that criteria
DEN: Wilson Chandler & Will Barton + Jamal Murray meets that criteria
DET: Avery Bradley & Drummond + Luke Kennard meets that criteria
IND: Myles Turner & Oladipo + Sabonis meets that criteria
LAC: Pat Bev & DeAndre Jordan + Sam Dekker meets that criteria
MIN: Wiggins & Taj + Tyus Jones meets that criteria
NO: Cousins & Hill + Cook meets that criteria
NY: Melo & Courtney Lee & Frank Nitlikina meets the criteria
ORL: Fournier & Aaron Gordon + Hezjona meets the criteria
PHX: Bledsoe & Tyson Chandler + Warren meets the criteria
SAC: George Hill & WCS + Fox meets that criteria
UTA: Favors & Rubio + Mitchell meets that criteria


That is just one scenario for those teams and many of them have other valuable players that can be subbed in and out.

[SAGirl]

I will be bitterly disappointed if they don't try, and try hard. It's not too often a young star player asks to be traded and the Spurs are one of his top choices. As Big Empty said, you can always trade him later if things don't work out or he doesn't click with the team. This could save the off-season. There's no guarantees we get someone better next off-season, so you may as well try to go for it now. This is the bold move I was talking about a few days ago. If they try their best to get a trade done and it if doesn't work out, then that is all good with me, I will roll with this current team as I am excited to see what Rudy Gay can do with the Spurs (I hope he comes back from his injury healthy and strong, same with TP too), but they need to try and get Kyrie if he wants to be on the Spurs. It's a fucking open invitation.
I am pessimistic about this now. Spurs don't do bold. The boldest move was shipping an injury prone Tiago to sign Aldridge and letting some roleplayers who were FA go... wasn't even that bold. An no brainer bc Tiagos career was on the downswing and he was almost never healthy. The season after they traded a Diaw that was getting benched in the playoffs to sign Gasol. It wasn't that difficult a choice either. Diaw was also on the downturn. You get benched in the playoffs bc a 22 year old Slowmo is a better option than you, you better be packing your bags. This season they chose to sign Patty to a generous contract and stood pat at the guards spots loading up on young guards to see if they find a keeper. The situation is not the same as the prior two seasons. They like what they have. Veering away from that initial plan is the bold move. They won't do it. :td

[kaji157]

Carmelo in Houston would be fucking hilarious. I see no way that team works.

I'm willing as hell to try Kyrie in SAS if Cleveland actually wants LMA/Green/Murray/whatever. He'd be a huge shot in the arm.
Carmelo in Houston would be a Team trying to replicate west golden state does, but less fit to do it.
Carmelo is not the of the ball player Durant is, Cp3 and Harden are not dead eye shooters from 3, but it could still work, it's not doomed.

[SAGirl]

But you need to replace a center now. Who do you have in mind?
I thought Tyson Chandler based on the fact he's been offered. Alex Len is another possibility.

[SPURt]

Great days for the Dubs. Their only two true rials each have had major players demand a trade (LMA, Kyrie respectively) Both have a good chance of being weaker next year.
Great point and the sad truth

[kaji157]

I am pessimistic about this now. Spurs don't do bold. The boldest move was shipping an injury prone Tiago to sign Aldridge and letting some roleplayers who were FA go... wasn't even that bold. An no brainer bc Tiagos career was on the downswing and he was almost never healthy. The season after they traded a Diaw that was getting benched in the playoffs to sign Gasol. It wasn't that difficult a choice either. Diaw was also on the downturn. You get benched in the playoffs bc a 22 year old Slowmo is a better option than you, you better be packing your bags. This season they chose to sign Patty to a generous contract and stood pat at the guards spots loading up on young guards to see if they find a keeper. The situation is not the same as the prior two seasons. They like what they have. Veering away from that initial plan is the bold move. They won't do it. :td

It's clearly a bold move, but also the spurs have stood at this same spot in other moments and they pushed for it.
They signed Aldridge, as a patty of a plan of course, but also because they had the opportunity.
Then the plan was set, still when they knew they had a chance at Durant, they went for it, and in the end Durant choose elsewhere.
I am not so sure how much they pursued Paul, but Paul, because of his age and cost, was much more of a high risk move than Aldridge, Durant or now Irving.

On the other hand Danny Green has been on the block, and no one on the organization spoke against it, making it different to the Aldridge situation.

Danny, as a LeBron friend, could be a building block for Cleveland to start showing he can make a banana boat team there, surrounded by friends, and still remain competitive.

There are, like always, a lot of things against the Spurs. The fact that don't do bold i don't buy it, if Irving is moved, and he is not moved here, won't be because we don't do bold, but more likely because others outbided us.

[Ice009]

There are, like always, a lot of things against the Spurs. The fact that don't do bold i don't buy it, if Irving is moved, and he is not moved here, won't be because we don't do bold, but more likely because others outbided us.

If this is how is plays out, then that is OK with me, at least they tried. I just hope they are trying to make it happen and not sitting around saying some silly shit like "we like what we have."

[sasaint]

I thought Tyson Chandler based on the fact he's been offered. Alex Len is another possibility.

Tyson Chandler is not on a good contract, and adding him and Kyrie would put us over the cap. Len, maybe. Personally, I would just let GasolLove platoon C.

[Cklbmk]

Yeah, because having LMA on the team has been so hampering to the Spurs...

No, paying Irving so much along with Kawhi isn't some obvious point. Do you actually think Kyrie, Kawhi and min deals is likely to do better than SA has recently? I can't think of any way to argue that. Only way it makes is if the Spurs use cap space on a guy like Cousins, but then that's cap hell. Depending on the price, go for it and hope it works out. But either they need to keep a strong roster this year or keep future prospects. They can't lose both.


36mil committed to Kyrie and Kawhi is 100% fine. They're both on pre spike maxes so they combine to be 1 Conley.

[ace3g]

888595713730498560

[BatManu20]

He posted this last summer winning the Chip..


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFVykolXgAASBiw?format=jpg&name=large

[szkorhetz]

Tyson Chandler is not on a good contract, and adding him and Kyrie would put us over the cap. Len, maybe. Personally, I would just let GasolLove platoon C.
You have to get something bad in return to get a top 15 player.

[FkLA]

He posted this last summer winning the Chip..


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFVykolXgAASBiw?format=jpg&name=large

7b11DDoVWnk

Wouldn't shock me if Kirby is in his ear, telling him to do what he did to Shaq. Kind of concerning though, since he is not better than Kawhi and would never receive more credit than Kawhi.

[Captivus]

No matter what happens...this thread is better than the Finals.

[SAGirl]

Tyson Chandler is not on a good contract, and adding him and Kyrie would put us over the cap. Len, maybe. Personally, I would just let GasolLove platoon C.

Love is a lot more expensive than Chandler and what he offers you don't need (shooting, though I wouldn't argue about the rebounding. I think he's a much better passer than LMA, he just didn't have a chance to do much in that area with Lebron, but I could be mistaken). He was getting benched in 4th Q for a good part of 2 seasons in Cleveland bc of defensive issues. He actually is probably the achilles heel in Cleveland. I don't want him, specially not next to Gasol who is another turnstile. If we want turnstiles who can shoot we keep Bertans (being sarcastic here, the guy is young and hopefully he improves...)

Presumably you could flip him, but why is Cleveland having so much trouble trying to flip him as well? I wouldn't trade LMA for Love straight up tbh. Only for Kyrie bc Spurs need scoring from one of their guards. You then flip one of Spurs guards for some center.

[dbreiden83080]

Yep.

888756581369749504

Ship Kyrie out and get back Melo LOL!!!!

Cleveland won't even make it out of the East next year..

[sasaint]

You have to get something bad in return to get a top 15 player.

Probably true. So have you checked out a 3-team trade with Cavs/Spurs/Suns?

[sasaint]

Love is a lot more expensive than Chandler and what he offers you don't need (shooting, though I wouldn't argue about the rebounding. I think he's a much better passer than LMA, he just didn't have a chance to do much in that area with Lebron, but I could be mistaken). He was getting benched in 4th Q for a good part of 2 seasons in Cleveland bc of defensive issues. He actually is probably the achilles heel in Cleveland. I don't want him, specially not next to Gasol who is another turnstile. If we want turnstiles who can shoot we keep Bertans (being sarcastic here, the guy is young and hopefully he improves...)

Presumably you could flip him, but why is Cleveland having so much trouble trying to flip him as well? I wouldn't trade LMA for Love straight up tbh. Only for Kyrie bc Spurs need scoring from one of their guards. You then flip one of Spurs guards for some center.

Sounds pretty good in theory. But then the Spurs are trying to swap a G in a buyer's market.

[NASpurs]

:lol

http://terezowens.com/theres-another-reason-kyrie-irving-allegedly-wants-out-of-cleveland/


“Word is Kyrie wants a trade because LeBron banged his girl, it’s all hush hush right now, but Kryie is over LeBron, and really wants nothing to do with him at this point” says our source.

[BatManu20]

Ship Kyrie out and get back Melo LOL!!!!

Cleveland won't even make it out of the East next year..

Cleveland is winning the East next year with or without Kyrie, tbh.

[BatManu20]

:lol

http://terezowens.com/theres-another-reason-kyrie-irving-allegedly-wants-out-of-cleveland/

Lmao Terez Owens :lol

[dbreiden83080]

Cleveland is winning the East next year with or without Kyrie, tbh.

No way.. Boston is better and Lebron is leaving. The team will quit.

[BatManu20]

No way.. Boston is better and Lebron is leaving. The team will quit.

Disagree. Any team with Lebron will (and should be) favored over Boston next year. Lebron owns the Celtics.

[SAGirl]

He posted this last summer winning the Chip..


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFVykolXgAASBiw?format=jpg&name=large

I read somewhere even after the championship he was already considering asking for a trade. He got robbed of the opportunity to have a team around him bc while he was still a very young guard (23 years old? basically) Lebron came down on Cleveland and stole his thunder. And this wasn't like Durant and Westbrook in OKC or some other foward/PG combo in the past (and there was even some questioning of Westbrook and for a long time he was considered second tier to Durant)... he was basically viewed as a kid and complementary piece to Lebron. It was all Lebron this, Lebron that, etc. He practically controlled team building originally, and it's all Lebron's crew. It seems that he doesn't feel part of some legendary duo or trio of players. Instead he's just a piece and he's way too young and still on the upswing to just be a piece. He does have an ego, but also is hungry. Love took a hit to his ego as well, but he left the Timberwolves and asked to be traded voluntarily and is older and might just be more self-aware.

I don't know ultimately if Pop would be ok with him wanting the limelight, but Pop has managed egos just fine... and he's won championships with a PG who was a scoring option before a distributor.

In PATFO we trust. It's not an easy choice. What sways me ultimately is that Kyrie wants to be in SA whereas LMA wants the fuck out.

[SAGirl]

Sounds pretty good in theory. But then the Spurs are trying to swap a G in a buyer's market.That is why I suggested Chandler. A sign and trade for JSimms was considered by the Suns (I bet they would have preferred him over Patty though). Len I think is a RFA that is languishing in the market too. The market for centers is actually not what it used to be. Spurs will need to offload one of their guards for sure though.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Real talk, Kyrie Irving sounds like a cancerous piece of shit

[mudyez]

:lol

http://terezowens.com/theres-another-reason-kyrie-irving-allegedly-wants-out-of-cleveland/

So we need to get rid of TP before getting Kyrie?

[UZER]

Real talk, Kyrie Irving sounds like a cancerous piece of shit

Maybe he knows LeBron is gonna bolt and he doesn't want to get stuck in Cleveland. Maybe he also knows LeBron is about to decline hard and wants out again before he's stuck in Cleveland.

Right now he's just a pawn in Lebron's world.

[cd021]

:lol

http://terezowens.com/theres-another-reason-kyrie-irving-allegedly-wants-out-of-cleveland/

These kids man... so selfish, whatever happened to "Ain't no fun"?:lol

[Clipper Nation]

He posted this last summer winning the Chip..


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFVykolXgAASBiw?format=jpg&name=large
More evidence that Kyrie has "locker-room cancer" written all over him. How can you still pout about your role immediately after winning a championship? Guys like Barkley, Baylor, Ewing, Nique, etc. never won a ring, and this scrub has one and doesn't appreciate it.

[apalisoc_9]

Real talk, Kyrie Irving sounds like a cancerous piece of shit

He is...the fact that he wants to leave lebron is concerning.

[apalisoc_9]

More evidence that Kyrie has "locker-room cancer" written all over him. How can you still pout about your role immediately after winning a championship?

How can you reach theee consecutive finals and win a championship and then demand to be traded?...

No way Id want that loser on the team.

[ElNono]

http://i.imgur.com/whWhq69.png : "We like what we have :nerd"

"We already have Parker and Patty"

[apalisoc_9]

Seriously no one shouls want a player thats frustrated playing with the best player of all time....

[DAF86]

He posted this last summer winning the Chip..


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFVykolXgAASBiw?format=jpg&name=large

Damn, he is a bigger cancer than I thought. How can you be so caught up about personal recognition after winning your first championship? Not sure if I want anymore. He must be one of those idiots that still underrate Kawhi, tbh.

[AFMadison]

He is...the fact that he wants to leave lebron is concerning.
Not really. Lebron is cancer both on then floor and off. He's a drama queen who constantly complains and maintains this huge sense of entitlement all while making up false narratives like "someone painted the N word on my gate". Dude can't get enough attention for himself. Kyrie is tired of it. Fuck Lebrons sensitive self absorbed ass

[Dverde]

[QUOTE=apalisoc_9;9097759]Seriously no one shouls want a player thats frustrated playing with the best player of all

By no one you mean over half the league.

[apalisoc_9]

Damn, he is a bigger cancer than I thought. How can you be so caught up about personal recognition after winning your first championship? Not sure if I want anymore. He must be one of those idiots that still underrate Kawhi, tbh.

Wouldn't want h anywhere near the Spurs.

He's a huge cancer.

[spurs10]

So there is a picture of him looking pensive after winning a championship, looks like he might have been crying, and he is the world's biggest locker room 'cancer?' He has always seemed gregarious in interviews.

Deals like this are hard to do because nothing comes for free. If Kyrie comes to the Spurs we will have to give up assets to get him. If LMA is in fact happy here then this deal might not happen. If he does want out then it's a new ballgame.

[Hoops Czar]

Wouldn't want h anywhere near the Spurs.

He's a huge cancer.

It's called leave first or be left behind. Kylie chose the former. LeCoon's noncommittal approach to his future where he wants all the leverage and his teammates should just accept the outcome is what led to this decision by Kyrie. Yet, Irving is the cancer because he knows LeCoon is 90% out the door and he doesn't want to be part of another rebuild. :lol

[NASpurs]

So there is a picture of him looking pensive after winning a championship, looks like he might have been crying, and he is the world's biggest locker room 'cancer?' He has always seemed gregarious in interviews.

Deals like this are hard to do because nothing comes for free. If Kyrie comes to the Spurs we will have to give up assets to get him. If LMA is in fact happy here then this deal might not happen. If he does want out then it's a new ballgame.

You could say he almost looks like Kobe Bryant in that pic.

[koriwhat]

gut the team except for kawhi. gel together this year and hit the lotto in FA next offseason. i think with how lowkey kawhi is, kyrie will get his limelight and kawhi wont even give a shit as long as they are winning.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

Kids today, Lebron fucked his girl and he's mad? Whatever happened to sharing is caring?!

[gambit1990]

fuck kyrie.

[Clipper Nation]

It's called leave first or be left behind. Kylie chose the former. LeCoon's noncommittal approach to his future where he wants all the leverage and his teammates should just accept the outcome is what led to this decision by Kyrie. Yet, Irving is the cancer because he knows LeCoon is 90% out the door and he doesn't want to be part of another rebuild. :lol
Kyrie was already pouting his way out of town before there were any rumors of LeBron leaving. He was pouting while the Cavs were busy winning a title. He is so delusional that he feels entitled to be the first option instead of LeBron. That's why he's demanding a trade. Sorry the facts don't fit your anti-LeBron agenda.

[Blackjack]

Only 24 pages in probably the slowest part of the NBA year?

SpursTalk, you're better than that . . .

[LakerHater]

He'll wear black & Silver whn the world is flat!


....oh Wait...

[RD2191]

Pretty much every team - depends on your definition of starter (and quality of those starters) and young prospect (and the ceiling of that prospect).

BOS: Isiah Thomas & Marcus Smart + Jaylen Brown meets that criteria
CHA: Kemba Walker & Batum + Kaminsky meets that criteria
MIA: Hassan Whiteside & Dragic + Winslow meets that criteria
DEN: Wilson Chandler & Will Barton + Jamal Murray meets that criteria
DET: Avery Bradley & Drummond + Luke Kennard meets that criteria
IND: Myles Turner & Oladipo + Sabonis meets that criteria
LAC: Pat Bev & DeAndre Jordan + Sam Dekker meets that criteria
MIN: Wiggins & Taj + Tyus Jones meets that criteria
NO: Cousins & Hill + Cook meets that criteria
NY: Melo & Courtney Lee & Frank Nitlikina meets the criteria
ORL: Fournier & Aaron Gordon + Hezjona meets the criteria
PHX: Bledsoe & Tyson Chandler + Warren meets the criteria
SAC: George Hill & WCS + Fox meets that criteria
UTA: Favors & Rubio + Mitchell meets that criteria


That is just one scenario for those teams and many of them have other valuable players that can be subbed in and out.

Crofl. None of those trades are better than Danny/LMA/Murray. Stop being a jackass.

[MannyIsGod]

Ship Kyrie out and get back Melo LOL!!!!

Cleveland won't even make it out of the East next year..

Melo and Bledsoe. That's a pretty damn good deal. Melo isnt exactly a shit player.

[TheDoctor]

http://i.imgur.com/whWhq69.png : "We like what we have :nerd"

:lmao

[Buddy Mignon]

I read somewhere even after the championship he was already considering asking for a trade. He got robbed of the opportunity to have a team around him bc while he was still a very young guard (23 years old? basically) Lebron came down on Cleveland and stole his thunder. And this wasn't like Durant and Westbrook in OKC or some other foward/PG combo in the past (and there was even some questioning of Westbrook and for a long time he was considered second tier to Durant)... he was basically viewed as a kid and complementary piece to Lebron. It was all Lebron this, Lebron that, etc. He practically controlled team building originally, and it's all Lebron's crew. It seems that he doesn't feel part of some legendary duo or trio of players. Instead he's just a piece and he's way too young and still on the upswing to just be a piece. He does have an ego, but also is hungry. Love took a hit to his ego as well, but he left the Timberwolves and asked to be traded voluntarily and is older and might just be more self-aware.

I don't know ultimately if Pop would be ok with him wanting the limelight, but Pop has managed egos just fine... and he's won championships with a PG who was a scoring option before a distributor.

In PATFO we trust. It's not an easy choice. What sways me ultimately is that Kyrie wants to be in SA whereas LMA wants the fuck out.


Lol... You're a loser.

[SAGirl]

In registering his preference to Cleveland Cavaliers (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/cle/cleveland-cavaliers) owner Dan Gilbert for a trade, league sources said, Irving divulged that he's become increasingly uneasy about a future that includes a roster constructed to complement LeBron James -- a roster that could well be devoid of James come free agency in 2018.

With James refusing to commit to Cleveland beyond the coming season, with the growing verdict that James is intrigued with pursuing a Los Angeles Lakers (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers) exit plan, Irving has become proactive in controlling his own career arc. The Cavaliers are constructed to play a slow, half-court game around James, personnel ill-suited to transition into an up-tempo style with Irving as the centerpiece. The Cavs are paying James' Klutch Sports clients Tristan Thompson and J.R. Smith for significant deals, and those contracts won't easily leave the Cavaliers' books.
The Cavaliers have a singular tradeable asset, and it's Kyrie Irving. Which he knows because Cleveland had included him in trade talks around the NBA draft, league sources told ESPN. Long before Irving voiced his desire to be moved, Cleveland had considered the possibility, too -- and perhaps did so with a nod from James.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20125888/kyrie-irving-trade-request-shows-learned-lebron

Can't blame if he wants out considering those circumstances.:toast

[TD 21]

Dude - BOS would not give up minimal assets for Paul George because he wouldn't commit. Why would teams give up assets for a player they know just forced his way out of CLE and would do the same if they traded for him? Kyrie has 4 teams he wants to go to.

Doesn't mean he will go there but it behooves all parties involved to make that happen.

Giving away assets for someone who won't commit to your team is typically bad business and BOS based on their history certainly won't do that.

Because even though he has his fair share of deficiencies and is overrated, he's still a young top 20ish player and he's part of the all important in crowd, which means you get him, your odds of getting another star increase exponentially. Plus, he has 2 years until a potential opt out. That's a risk you have to take if you're most teams, many of which wouldn't so much as get a meeting with a player of this caliber in free agency.



you undervalue LMA and Danny in this trade. the two of them with Lebron is a tremendously good team, a lot better than last season defensively. They can then trade Love for some PG with expereince hopefully but Lebron handles the ball so much that getting someone out to just help at times could be good enough. Murray doesn't move the needle for them, but he is someone who can help their bench and has upside still. I am not saying this is the best package that Cavs can get, but it's also not the worst.

Aldridge would be a poor fit with James. He's not a true stretch PF and he's also mentally weak. Green would be a good fit obviously, but he's not enough and neither is Murray.

Spurs would have to turn Aldridge and another asset (Murray, White, Forbes, 1st) into something Cavaliers would want (Bledsoe and one of Warren/Bender/Chriss?), give them Green and take Shumpert's contract to have a chance. 007nites and mosdef17 get it.



The Spurs with Green and LMA have a better chance at a title this year than with Irving. Maybe three weeks ago when they had a chance to adjust that wasn't the case. But they can't fill those holes anymore. They'd become a mediocre defensive team and have no chance at stopping GS.

You're overthinking this and acting like Leonard and Irving are old and this all has to be put together next season. Obviously, the timing wouldn't be ideal for any team, but who gives a shit? Get the star who's part of the all important in crowd and can recruit a third eventually and become a prime destination for ring chasing veteran's willing to take the minimum. Plus, they've repeatedly shown they can find back end rotation players.



How can you reach theee consecutive finals and win a championship and then demand to be traded?...

No way Id want that loser on the team.

If next to no one with any significance wants to play in San Antonio, then how the hell can they not aggressively pursue one of the few who does? That doesn't make any sense.

[SAGirl]

Not really. Lebron is cancer both on then floor and off. He's a drama queen who constantly complains and maintains this huge sense of entitlement all while making up false narratives like "someone painted the N word on my gate". Dude can't get enough attention for himself. Kyrie is tired of it. Fuck Lebrons sensitive self absorbed ass

Absolutely.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20125888/kyrie-irving-trade-request-shows-learned-lebron

[Hoops Czar]

Kyrie was already pouting his way out of town before there were any rumors of LeBron leaving. He was pouting while the Cavs were busy winning a title. He is so delusional that he feels entitled to be the first option instead of LeBron. That's why he's demanding a trade. Sorry the facts don't fit your anti-LeBron agenda.

Dream on soldier boy. I bet if Kyrie told you the world was flat, you'd believe him because after all, he said it.

[SAGirl]

Only 24 pages in probably the slowest part of the NBA year?

SpursTalk, you're better than that . . .

Courtesy of "deceptive site" etc.

[Clipper Nation]

Dream on soldier boy. I bet if Kyrie told you the world was flat, you'd believe him.
So is it also LeBron's fault that back in 2014, before LeBron returned to Cleveland, Kyrie's camp was already telling the media that Kyrie wanted out of Cleveland?


The truth is [Kyrie's] camp has been putting out there for years – years – that he doesn't want to be in Cleveland. That they don't want him in Cleveland. He doesn't like Mike Brown. He didn't like Chris Grant. He doesn't like Dion Waiters. He's already gotten a General Manager fired. He might get Mike Brown fired.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2014/04/04/brian-windhorst-kyrie-irving-doesnt-want-to-be-in-cleveland-hat-should-impact-contract-extension-talks/

[callo1]

Rose doesnt change the outcome of a 4-0 warriors sweep

Kyrie does

Why in the world bring up that shitbag into a kyrie thread?


Can't believe there are idiots calling for Rose over Kyrie. Use your brain.

First of all, let us debunk the initial comment on the 4-0 sweep by the hands of the warrriors. No Kawhi, up 23 pts when he left the game. No Parker, and last and certainly least, Lee getting hurt as well. The warriors didn't beat the Spurs, they beat a wounded team that had their best player hurt, and their best floor general hurt. The Spurs depth was gone after Kawhi and Parker went down as well, so why do people continue acting like the Spurs are light years away from beating the warriors.

Second quote from an Aggie....well, that kind of sums it up there really. An Aggie calling somebody else an idiot. While I could simply stop there, because tbqh that is more then enough, I will certainly explain. Who knows, maybe even an Aggie is capable of learning something, although I do have my doubts.

I wasn't "calling" for Rose. I was simply pointing out that he was available on the cheap, and the Spurs wouldn't have to give up all of their assets to get him. And there was little interest in the Spurs going after him. I think as far as defense goes, they both agree pretty bad. Sadly, I would say Kyrie is worse on defense than Rose though.

Look at the assets the Spurs would have to give up to get Kyrie and tell me that the Spurs are truly a better team going down that road.

Kyrie isn't over himself. He wants to be the man. How does that fit in comparison to a player like Rose who can still get his shot (admittedly not nearly as much as Kyrie can). Giving up a bunch of assets to get an 18 mill per year player who want's to be the man doesn't make sense. Yeah, I know the next argument...we trade LA (who wants to be the man) for Kyrie. Problem is we have no bigs who can get their shot in doing so. The amount of assets the Cavs would want for Kyrie would would most likely decimate this team. People are thinking in terms of just adding Kyrie, instead of adding him, and losing key pieces that we already have.

Yeah yeah, I know the next argument is that we don't need LA because GS plays small ball. The way OKC is set up, if the Spurs give up key bigs, they likely get eliminated by the Thunder should the Spurs meet them in the playoffs. I think most people on this forum would agree on that.

My point in bringing up Rose was that if the Spurs truly wanted to bolster the guard position, they would have already been in talks with him, as he was reportedly willing to take as low as 2.1 million for a one year deal. I like Kyrie as far as character more than Rose at this point for sure, but at what price.

Hey, if the Spurs want to go deep into the luxury tax like the warriors, bring Kyrie over and don't give up any real assets, I am ALL for it. Do you really see that happening tho?

[davidbowie]

you all know damn well we aint getting shiiittttt

:rollin

[sasaint]

you all know damn well we aint getting shiiittttt

:rollin

Yep. But ST will still ring all the bells and whistles until Kyrie is traded to another team - and then go TILT.

[callo1]

you all know damn well we aint getting shiiittttt

:rollin

Truth

[dbestpro]

Yep.

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Suns get hosed badly with this.

[Hoops Czar]

So is it also LeBron's fault that back in 2014, before LeBron returned to Cleveland, Kyrie's camp was already telling the media that Kyrie wanted out of Cleveland?
The truth is [Kyrie's] camp has been putting out there for years – years – that he doesn't want to be in Cleveland. That they don't want him in Cleveland. He doesn't like Mike Brown. He didn't like Chris Grant. He doesn't like Dion Waiters. He's already gotten a General Manager fired. He might get Mike Brown fired.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2014/04/04/brian-windhorst-kyrie-irving-doesnt-want-to-be-in-cleveland-hat-should-impact-contract-extension-talks/
Windhorst is a windbag. His sole purpose in life and the only reason BSPN hired him in the first place was to make LeBron look good and everyone else look bad by comparison. Kyrie was what, 21-22 when that article was posted? How immature were you at that age? Probably not much different than you are at 40, huh? :lol

Now let's do LeCoon....

http://www.thesportster.com/basketball/top-15-times-lebron-james-acted-like-a-baby/

James is by far, one of the most spoiled, self entitled players to ever play professionals sports and he thinks because He's good at his job, the whole world should cater to him.

[Atl Spur]

Windhorst is a windbag. His sole purpose in life and the only reason BSPN hired him in the first place was to make LeBron look good and everyone else look bad by comparison. Kyrie was what, 21-22 when that article was posted? How immature were you at that age? Probably not much different than you are at 40, huh? :lol

Now let's do LeCoon....

http://www.thesportster.com/basketball/top-15-times-lebron-james-acted-like-a-baby/

James is by far, one of the most spoiled, self entitled players to ever play professionals sports and he thinks because He's good at his job, the whole world should cater to him.

LeCoon? Dude get yourself together......please

[ace3g]

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[Atl Spur]

The word coon is mad offensive! You're more creative I'm thinking/hoping

[Clipper Nation]

Windhorst is a windbag.
Windhorst is the one who broke this story about Kyrie's trade demand, though. So is it all fake news, or has Kyrie wanted out of Cleveland from day one? Can't have it both ways.


Kyrie was what, 21-22 when that article was posted?
So? He's 25 now, is still immature and entitled, and still wants out of Cleveland. What's changed?


Now let's do LeCoon....

http://www.thesportster.com/basketball/top-15-times-lebron-james-acted-like-a-baby/

James is by far, one of the most spoiled, self entitled players to ever play professionals sports and he thinks because He's good at his job, the whole world should cater to him.
:lol Be honest - did you write that butthurt excuse for an article? It sounds exactly like the shit takes you spew on here all the time.

[sasaint]

Absolutely.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20125888/kyrie-irving-trade-request-shows-learned-lebron

Thanks for the link. An interesting perspective. But be sure to re-post it next year when ST is all agog over LeBron, with "It's Happening!" posts everywhere. :lol

[SAGirl]

Yep. But ST will still ring all the bells and whistles until Kyrie is traded to another team - and then go TILT.
lol look at this depth chart.
for the record I wanted Kyrie. Spurs need talent at the guard spots and are in a fishing expedition, while expecting huge contributions in the playoffs from a guy with a ruptured Quad, a legend who is already 40 and will be nearing 41 at the time, and a forward who suffered a career killing achilles injury... but sure guys think Kyle Anderson won't find playing time.... lets give him away for free.. spurstalk
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[Snaq O'Meal]

Lol... You're a loser.

Say the smelly Pakistani Laker fan with a sexual lust for a male anime character.

[SAGirl]

Thanks for the link. An interesting perspective. But be sure to re-post it next year when ST is all agog over LeBron, with "It's Happening!" posts everywhere. :lol

Lebron is for sure never coming here. He was personally scouting Lonzo Ball in summer league and is rumored to be eyeing playing in the Lakers already. A pursuit of Lebron will be as fruitless as pursuing Kevin Durant.

Kyrie OTOH had the Spurs as a preferred destiation..

[baseline bum]

lol look at this depth chart.
for the record I wanted Kyrie. Spurs need talent at the guard spots and are in a fishing expedition, while expecting huge contributions in the playoffs from a guy with a ruptured Quad, a legend who is already 40 and will be nearing 41 at the time, and a forward who suffered a career killing achilles injury... but sure guys think Kyle Anderson won't find playing time.... lets give him away for free.. spurstalk
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I bet Manu's going to play lots of SF like in 2014 and Gay will get a ton of PF minutes whether Softridge is here or not next season.

[sasaint]

lol look at this depth chart.
for the record I wanted Kyrie. Spurs need talent at the guard spots and are in a fishing expedition, while expecting huge contributions in the playoffs from a guy with a ruptured Quad, a legend who is already 40 and will be nearing 41 at the time, and a forward who suffered a career killing achilles injury... but sure guys think Kyle Anderson won't find playing time.... lets give him away for free.. spurstalk
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Yeah, PATFO surely must have some plan. That skewed roster just doesn't make sense. But what also doesn't make sense is that commentators will list Kyle as a wing and Davis as a big. Neither will make it as a wing defensively, and until he bulks up some more, Davis isn't well suited to the 4 spot. Kyle has bulked up enough, though, to be a suitable 4.

[DPG21920]

Crofl. None of those trades are better than Danny/LMA/Murray. Stop being a jackass.

:lol That is a very subjective thing. I actually did a lot of work to answer your question and you still act like an idiot?

[sasaint]

Lebron is for sure never coming here. He was personally scouting Lonzo Ball in summer league and is rumored to be eyeing playing in the Lakers already. A pursuit of Lebron will be as fruitless as pursuing Kevin Durant.

Kyrie OTOH had the Spurs as a preferred destiation..

Agreed about Lebron. But I am not convinced that Kyrie is genuinely interested in the Spurs, although with Tony on his last legs with no successor ready, SA would be a great landing spot for him. But I think he is probably "padding" his list with a perennial winner to make him seem less mercenary.

[SAGirl]

Yeah, PATFO surely must have some plan. That skewed roster just doesn't make sense. But what also doesn't make sense is that commentators will list Kyle as a wing and Davis as a big. Neither will make it as a wing defensively, and until he bulks up some more, Davis isn't well suited to the 4 spot. Kyle has bulked up enough, though, to be a suitable 4.

The league is just not rostered how it used to be and that is what Pop is aiming to find out... With the exception of the Pelicans duo of A.Davis and Boogie, and the clippers with DJ and Blake, most teams just don't feature the twin towers set up of two huge traditional bigs. Even Memphis is going away from that style.

[SAGirl]

Agreed about Lebron. But I am not convinced that Kyrie is genuinely interested in the Spurs, although with Tony on his last legs with no successor ready, SA would be a great landing spot for him. But I think he is probably "padding" his list with a perennial winner to make him seem less mercenary.

His choices included good teams with good coaches and opportunities to win: Coach Pop, Coach Thibodeau, and Coach Spoelstra. Only Knicks is all out there and its a big market city and he's originally from New York or one of the northern east coast states? His choices make sense. Only Miami already has a PG. I think he's genuine. He wouldn't have leaked it if he didn't want to motivate any of these teams to try to talk to Cavs to get him and make a harder push for him. Spurs were already interested in him, I believe dangling Danny Green, remember those rumors?

However, he doesn't hold the keys to his future just yet. This may drag on most or all of the season.

[RD2191]

:lol That is a very subjective thing. I actually did a lot of work to answer your question and you still act like an idiot?

An idiot deserves an idiot response. As I said, who's offering two starters (one with championship experience) and a young prospect with the potential to start?

[SAGirl]

An idiot deserves an idiot response. As I said, who's offering two starters (one with championship experience) and a young prospect with the potential to start?

We don't know what anyone is offering but negotiations don't start by throwing the kitchen sink in. You start with a moderate, not insulting, offer and go from there.