Spurs 2018 offseason thread

[phxspurfan]

would lol if deng signs with gsw to chase a cockring

or sign with the wolves

Lol they didn’t bring back Nick Young... he could fill that Mr. Irrelevant role

[SAGirl]

Huestis is so bad on offense that is the reason OkC gave up on him after developing him for 4 years and spending a first round pick on him.

[ceperez]

I think if the Spurs want to go in the direction of the "youth movement," then Huestis may be the way to go at the 3. Blossomgame is another option, too, but he may require more development time. But with Huestis, you have a NBA experienced player, & his defense is compared to his former teamate, Andre Roberson, a very good defender in his own right, except Huestis has offensive upside and potential, which is something he would have to work on (with Chip), & Pop to be patient with, but when the preseason smoke clears, we shall see what the outcome will be. GSG!!!

I agree that Spurs should invest in youth. Huestis offense upside is so high because his performance has been so disappointing in his career. But the guy has size and length, so its worth the investment of training him to shoot.

[Em-City]

Huestis is so bad on offense that is the reason OkC gave up on him after developing him for 4 years and spending a first round pick on him.
in that case, he could be your new favorite spur!

[bklynspursfan]

off topic, but dam if this doesn't sound like a familiar situation 0_o

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[Pavlov]

I'd almost want to give Huestis a two-way deal if he wouldn't be insulted by it.

[Dex]

Huestis is so bad on offense that is the reason OkC gave up on him after developing him for 4 years and spending a first round pick on him.

Danny Green sucked on offense, too, before the Spurs got their hands on him. Could be a good reclamation project, and the Spurs need depth at SF.

[ceperez]

Danny Green sucked on offense, too, before the Spurs got their hands on him. Could be a good reclamation project, and the Spurs need depth at SF.

Yeah, and we would have benefited with whatever training OKC also gave him. I'm always curious about the draft picks of Sam Presti. He's the same guy who picked both Manu and Tony, so he must have seen something in Huestis. Heck, he picked him before Kyle Anderson.

Huestis reminds me of a poor man's version of Kawhi Leonard.

[Chinook]

I'd almost want to give Huestis a two-way deal if he wouldn't be insulted by it.

I wouldn't be surprised if they offered it to him and he's weighing his options right now. Again, they're still missing four camp spots and haven't signed a two-way player yet.

[Pavlov]

I wouldn't be surprised if they offered it to him and he's weighing his options right now. Again, they're still missing four camp spots and haven't signed a two-way player yet.Yeah, he already has an NBA level skill for which he could easily get the minimum to play 10 mpg. I just think if he's ever going to get an offensive game the extended practice and playing time he would get in Austin could be the only way it happens. I'm sure they thought the same in OKC though.

[Chinook]

Yeah, he already has an NBA level skill for which he could easily get the minimum to play 10 mpg. I just think if he's ever going to get an offensive game the extended practice and playing time he would get in Austin could be the only way it happens. I'm sure they thought the same in OKC though.

I think Roberson is a big reason why they gave up on Huestis. They committed to Andre with a new deal and declined Huestis' option before the season. Now, I don't think they could stand to have two really bad shooters in their rotation. SA probably feels similarly. Murray, DeRozan and Huestis is probably fine to well-above-average defensively, but that spacing is balls.

[ceperez]

I think Roberson is a big reason why they gave up on Huestis. They committed to Andre with a new deal and declined Huestis' option before the season. Now, I don't think they could stand to have two really bad shooters in their rotation. SA probably feels similarly. Murray, DeRozan and Huestis is probably fine to well-above-average defensively, but that spacing is balls.

Seems to be a serviceable defensive player:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PSL7ivS14k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuzt3di_bQU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0wXQ1H0LKQ

[NASpurs]

https://twitter.com/fredkatz/status/1037455984980045826?s=21

[CGD]

https://twitter.com/fredkatz/status/1037455984980045826?s=21

Good, he and Quincy can fight it out.

[Larry O]

https://twitter.com/fredkatz/status/1037455984980045826?s=21

Looks like it's finally official! The odds may be stacked against him, but perhaps he will do the right things to earn a spot on the roster. But overall, the preseason will be interesting, especially with who will earn the 3 position from starting to the 2nd rotation. Hope Huestis can bring it! Wish him the best. GSG!!!

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Sportando/status/1037397084251541505

[Cardinal]

Huestis is fine. I watched him a lot during his college days. I wouldn't get too excited about his potential - capable defender but limited offensively and his foot speed leaves me skeptical of his ability to hang with elite wing players on the perimeter.

[ceperez]

https://twitter.com/fredkatz/status/1037455984980045826?s=21


He's a pretty decent player. Perhaps at 32 he's run out of gas.

Josh Huestis might be a good guy to pick up. High IQ player with decent length and still only 26.

Well, I'm happy that Spurs made it clear that there's real interest in his services. Good insurance in case Quincy Pondexter isn't healthy.

[BackHome]

He reminds me a lot of Livio.

[ace3g]

BnXZl-clojc

[SpursDynasty85]

BnXZl-clojc

Lol this is awesome.

[ceperez]

Heustis blocking J. Simmons and J. Green.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGycX5GQQzA

[NASpurs]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1037520635730321413

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1037520931017707521

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1037521491729022976

[LakerHater]

10374789695352913941037486649037357057 Could develop our next Kawhi!

[TimDunkem]

BnXZl-clojc

Poor guy. All that work and he'll still be out of the league in a few years.

[Chinook]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1037520635730321413

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1037520931017707521

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1037521491729022976

That X-10 is a big deal. It means they can sign other guys to compete with him, with the prize being a bigger contract, while still having the loser locked up. I get why Pon would reject that if they offered, but I would have loved for the team to have brought in three wings with those contracts and let them duke it out.

[r0drig0lac]

10374789695352913941037486649037357057 Could develop our next Kawhi!

ok

[ceperez]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1037521491729022976

That's really nice. Huestis at the bare minimum is a two-way contract. Fortunately, he's still eligible for that kind of contract. So he's suiting up with the Spurs when he's needed. Only question now is if Pondexter stays.

[Gordy58]

Drew Eubanks has a camp invite also, I missed that. I feel like he could occupy one of the two way spots, he looked solid in limited minutes in the SL, but the 5 is a little crowded with Pau, Poetl, and to an extent LA.

[ceperez]

Drew Eubanks has a camp invite also, I missed that. I feel like he could occupy one of the two way spots, he looked solid in limited minutes in the SL, but the 5 is a little crowded with Pau, Poetl, and to an extent LA.

Spurs likely will use the other two-way contract for another big. Eubanks seems to be the only one eligible, but Spurs can surprise everyone by picking up a random guy from elsewhere.

[TheGreatYacht]

:td

[Dex]

https://twitter.com/Sportando/status/1037397084251541505

Thanks Fenerbahçe for saving us from another season of Joff.

[ceperez]

What the hell is Heustis up to anyway?

This Stanford graduate obviously has some smarts, so what the hell is he doing forcing his way into the Spurs?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETLP9OTOC6g

[SAGirl]

in that case, he could be your new favorite spur!
I pass.

[SAGirl]

Danny Green sucked on offense, too, before the Spurs got their hands on him. Could be a good reclamation project, and the Spurs need depth at SF.
not the same situation at all. Danny could shoot since senior year in college and he grinded out in Europe and the Gleague (then D'league), where he proved he could shoot. He then translated that with some development to the NBA. Danny was younger than Huestis at this stage... Huesties has toiled away for 4 years in the Gleague and NBA where he has proven quite the opposite: he can't shoot.

I don't think fans have watched him.

[SAGirl]

I'd almost want to give Huestis a two-way deal if he wouldn't be insulted by it.
I suspect he's trying to make an actual roster, but failing that he will be in China or Europe. He has already played in the Gleague a few years, time to move on and find whatever paychecks he can get abroad b4 he's too old or gets injured.

Edit: I just saw he can be converted to a 2-way contract, which has me a bit perplexed. Since I seem to remember somewhere that only rooks or guys in their rook deals could be signed to 2 way deals.

[SAGirl]

I actually like Huestis to compete with Pondexter tho. At least Huestis is a good athlete. I am frankly skeptical of Quincy's knee, health and overall ability after his injuries and abysmally bad season last year.

May the best of them win.

[SAGirl]

What the hell is Heustis up to anyway?

This Stanford graduate obviously has some smarts, so what the hell is he doing forcing his way into the Spurs?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETLP9OTOC6g
I don't know but suspect his agent saw an opportunity. The Spurs need a defensive wing badly and that really is Huestis' niche. He either makes it in a defensive minded team as a defensive wing... or he won't make it at all.

[ceperez]

I don't know but suspect his agent saw an opportunity. The Spurs need a defensive wing badly and that really is Huestis' niche. He either makes it in a defensive minded team as a defensive wing... or he won't make it at all.

Well, he's got the body of Leonard. Lots of wingspan (7'1") vs 7'3". Leonard in the 2014 championship run was mostly just a defensive player that occasionally scored. Spurs got DeRozan, Gay, Murray, Walker that may be able to make their own plays. Nice to have a player to just do the dirty work. Perhaps that's Huestis' niche.

[daslicer]

Well, he's got the body of Leonard. Lots of wingspan (7'1") vs 7'3". Leonard in the 2014 championship run was mostly just a defensive player that occasionally scored. Spurs got DeRozan, Gay, Murray, Walker that may be able to make their own plays. Nice to have a player to just do the dirty work. Perhaps that's Huestis' niche.

I wouldn't say he has the same body type as Kawhi. Kawhi is a very thick guy and has broad shoulders while Huestis has a slim type of build. Also I doubt Huestis hands are as big as Kawhi's.

[jyra]

Boris just announced his retirement. :bobo


https://youtu.be/i9ujf-2M3Ps

(includes English subtitles)

[keithington1]

I hope the team can color coordinate some fiesta shoe colors. Like one night everyone wear orange shoes. Only because the Spurs colors are very boring.

[Chinook]

I don't know but suspect his agent saw an opportunity. The Spurs need a defensive wing badly and that really is Huestis' niche. He either makes it in a defensive minded team as a defensive wing... or he won't make it at all.

It's not just that, but the team lacks anyone who can comfortably play the three. I still think DeRozan should play there, but DMDR looks like a guard on the court. He doesn't play to his size at all. Huestis has a chance to start for the Spurs, and that's more than he can say for anywhere else. Yes, he has to somehow learn to shoot, but if he can stay on the court he can help anchor the team. Also, I'm sure Chip's rep helped. Huestis knows his career hangs on him getting a good shot, so taking a chance that the Spurs' shooting coach can help him seems worth it. Roberson hasn't really learned to shoot either, so there's a chance that the Thunder aren't all that great at fixing problems.

[Pavlov]

I suspect he's trying to make an actual roster, but failing that he will be in China or Europe. He has already played in the Gleague a few years, time to move on and find whatever paychecks he can get abroad b4 he's too old or gets injured.

Edit: I just saw he can be converted to a 2-way contract, which has me a bit perplexed. Since I seem to remember somewhere that only rooks or guys in their rook deals could be signed to 2 way deals.
Hilliard had already been in the league for a couple years. As I said, Huestis could labor a couple more years as a one dimensional minimum NBA player or take a chance for one season or less in perhaps the only situation that could add another ten years to his NBA career. Every good G-League has to weigh the opportunity costs for himself; the two-way deals make the decision to stay a little easier.

[SAGirl]

Hilliard had already been in the league for a couple years. As I said, Huestis could labor a couple more years as a one dimensional minimum NBA player or take a chance for one season or less in perhaps the only situation that could add another ten years to his NBA career. Every good G-League has to weigh the opportunity costs for himself; the two-way deals make the decision to stay a little easier.
I still remember reading somewhere that as a development contract this could only apply to 1 to 2 year players, either a rookie or someone on his second year. I think the fact Huestis spent his first season after being drafted completely in the Gleague makes him count for less years, but still he's played 3 years in the NBA already. At some point these veterans aren't eligible for that kind of deal, but perhaps considering his 4th year he would still have been in his rook deal had his option been picked up by OKC, perhaps I misunderstood. I can't recall where I read it tbqh with u.

[Pavlov]

I still remember reading somewhere that as a development contract this could only apply to 1 to 2 year players, either a rookie or someone on his second year. I think the fact Huestis spent his first season after being drafted completely in the Gleague makes him count for less years, but still he's played 3 years in the NBA already. At some point these veterans aren't eligible for that kind of deal, but perhaps considering his 4th year he would still have been in his rook deal had his option been picked up by OKC, perhaps I misunderstood. I can't recall where I read it tbqh with u.
Only players with four or fewer years of NBA service are able to sign Two-Way Contracts, which can be for either one or two seasons.

https://gleague.nba.com/twowayplayers/

[SAGirl]

It's not just that, but the team lacks anyone who can comfortably play the three. I still think DeRozan should play there, but DMDR looks like a guard on the court. He doesn't play to his size at all. Huestis has a chance to start for the Spurs, and that's more than he can say for anywhere else. Yes, he has to somehow learn to shoot, but if he can stay on the court he can help anchor the team. Also, I'm sure Chip's rep helped. Huestis knows his career hangs on him getting a good shot, so taking a chance that the Spurs' shooting coach can help him seems worth it. Roberson hasn't really learned to shoot either, so there's a chance that the Thunder aren't all that great at fixing problems.
True. The first hurdle is besting Q.Pondexter for that spot. Honestly if he can't do that, stop with the G-league development deals already and pursue the most you can get for a team abroad.

I am conflincted on giving a development contract to a guy who failed to make a team with no real wings who are known as defensive minded, and has had 4 years to develop already. That trumps the purpose of a development deal. Sure, he could be better than some other marginal guy, could he beat out Blossomgame and guys like that who have never gotten this kind of deal?

It may sound like I am against him, but I have a legit question about these development deals being given out to vets.

[SAGirl]

https://gleague.nba.com/twowayplayers/
thanks. answers my question.

[ceperez]

It's not just that, but the team lacks anyone who can comfortably play the three. I still think DeRozan should play there, but DMDR looks like a guard on the court. He doesn't play to his size at all. Huestis has a chance to start for the Spurs, and that's more than he can say for anywhere else. Yes, he has to somehow learn to shoot, but if he can stay on the court he can help anchor the team. Also, I'm sure Chip's rep helped. Huestis knows his career hangs on him getting a good shot, so taking a chance that the Spurs' shooting coach can help him seems worth it. Roberson hasn't really learned to shoot either, so there's a chance that the Thunder aren't all that great at fixing problems.

It took Leonard one season to get an improved shot. Chip's going to do wonders with his shot.

Heustis has the length and discipline to be a good defensive player. All he needs to do in offense is stand outside the 3point line and wait for his opportunities. That's what Green has done and that's what he *hopefully* can get done.

He probably fills the same role as Dante Cunningham.

[ceperez]

True. The first hurdle is besting Q.Pondexter for that spot. Honestly if he can't do that, stop with the G-league development deals already and pursue the most you can get for a team abroad.

I am conflincted on giving a development contract to a guy who failed to make a team with no real wings who are known as defensive minded, and has had 4 years to develop already. That trumps the purpose of a development deal. Sure, he could be better than some other marginal guy, could he beat out Blossomgame and guys like that who have never gotten this kind of deal?

It may sound like I am against him, but I have a legit question about these development deals being given out to vets.

He's been in the league for just 3 years. He's the first known first rounder to get drafted and stashed into the D-league.

The guy even has his own blog: https://jhuestis.wordpress.com/

What you got here is a thinking man in an NBA body. Will he work well with the Spurs? Absolutely. The closest comparison would be like a Shane Battier. Intelligent guy who really didn't do anything really well but carved out a name for himself in the league. ( The No Stats All-Star: https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/magazine/15Battier-t.html )

[Atl Spur]

That guy named Bruce Bowen did pretty good for us being limited offensively.....JS . Josh may end up being ok if he truly has a superior work ethic. I like the potential

[hooperflash]

I hope the team can color coordinate some fiesta shoe colors. Like one night everyone wear orange shoes. Only because the Spurs colors are very boring.

They had been doing so in the playoffs, I think it will continue and the team will embrace the colors even more in other ways. (branding)

[SpursDynasty85]

That guy named Bruce Bowen did pretty good for us being limited offensively.....JS . Josh may end up being ok if he truly has a superior work ethic. I like the potential

Easier to cover up Bowen when you have prime Duncan tbh. Is Huestis Bowen caliber on defense though? I would put Andre Robertson in that category defensively but not Huestis. Maybe he is a defensive gem, haven't seen enough of him.

[Leetonidas]

That guy named Bruce Bowen did pretty good for us being limited offensively.....JS . Josh may end up being ok if he truly has a superior work ethic. I like the potential

But Bruce was a 40%+ three point shooter. Heustis would be on a roster for sure if he shot as well as Bruce from distance

[Immortal Spur]

I like Huestis. I hope it works out. He's an energy player that defends. If his shot gets fixed tho...

[Chinook]

But Bruce was a 40%+ three point shooter. Heustis would be on a roster for sure if he shot as well as Bruce from distance

Bowen shot almost exclusively from the corners. In his Spurs career, he shot 84 percent of all his threes from that spot. Huestis, by contrast, has shot 36 percent of his threes from that same spot in his career. Not trying to get into this particularly debate, but Bruce's offensive output would not work in today's NBA. He benefited from a league that hadn't yet figured out how to defend the corner-three, so he could space the floor without really having to learn much on offense. Huestis doesn't have that luxury. Bruce did shoot significantly better from the corners than Josh does. Bowen shot 42 percent from that spot in his Spurs career while Huestis shot 36 percent last season (his only real one getting minutes). I agree Bruce was a more impactful offensive player than Josh is, by a good margin even. It's just that he has an even longer way to go to overcome that. What makes it worse that Huestis sucks all over the court, not just behind the arc. For his career, the dude has gone for 48 percent at the rim. To put that into perspective, both Danny and Bruce had seasons where they shot over 60 percent from the same area and averaged 58 and 57 percent for their Spurs careers.

[tbdog]

I case you guys missed it, but Diaw has retired from basketball.

[ceperez]

Bowen shot almost exclusively from the corners. In his Spurs career, he shot 84 percent of all his threes from that spot. Huestis, by contrast, has shot 36 percent of his threes from that same spot in his career. Not trying to get into this particularly debate, but Bruce's offensive output would not work in today's NBA. He benefited from a league that hadn't yet figured out how to defend the corner-three, so he could space the floor without really having to learn much on offense. Huestis doesn't have that luxury. Bruce did shoot significantly better from the corners than Josh does. Bowen shot 42 percent from that spot in his Spurs career while Huestis shot 36 percent last season (his only real one getting minutes). I agree Bruce was a more impactful offensive player than Josh is, by a good margin even. It's just that he has an even longer way to go to overcome that. What makes it worse that Huestis sucks all over the court, not just behind the arc. For his career, the dude has gone for 48 percent at the rim. To put that into perspective, both Danny and Bruce had seasons where they shot over 60 percent from the same area and averaged 58 and 57 percent for their Spurs careers.

Both Bruce and Danny had Chip Engeland as their shooting coach.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/marcobelinelli/status/1037764157070864385

[Birn]

Keep in mind that OKC couldn't afford to take on additional salary as their luxury tax bill was going to be enormous after signing PG to his max contract and having to eat Carmelo's huge contract. They were looking at the single largest luxury tax bill in NBA history if they were to keep Carmelo, Kyle Singler and Huestis' 4th year rookie deal. They knew before last season ended they were facing a serious salary / luxury tax situation so they really had no choice but to decline his 4th year option. Otherwise, his 4th year contract would essentially cost them twice as much when considering the luxury tax impact which is a dollar for dollar tax. I'm sure the Thunder would've liked to keep him as everyone in their organization says he was developing well and he did get ample playing time in key games during last season. It looks to me like he was not retained purely for salary/financial reasons. It looks like the Spurs may have landed a nice piece if he shows the defensive skills he displayed last season. He can develop his shooting stroke in time but right now he certainly has an NBA-ready skill with his defense.

[Chinook]

Keep in mind that OKC couldn't afford to take on additional salary as their luxury tax bill was going to be enormous after signing PG to his max contract and having to eat Carmelo's huge contract. They were looking at the single largest luxury tax bill in NBA history if they were to keep Carmelo, Kyle Singler and Huestis' 4th year rookie deal. They knew before last season ended they were facing a serious salary / luxury tax situation so they really had no choice but to decline his 4th year option. Otherwise, his 4th year contract would essentially cost them twice as much when considering the luxury tax impact which is a dollar for dollar tax. I'm sure the Thunder would've liked to keep him as everyone in their organization says he was developing well and he did get ample playing time in key games during last season. It looks to me like he was not retained purely for salary/financial reasons. It looks like the Spurs may have landed a nice piece if he shows the defensive skills he displayed last season. He can develop his shooting stroke in time but right now he certainly has an NBA-ready skill with his defense.

They declined his option before LAST season, assuming in October. I'm not saying PG on a max wasn't in the thought process. But they didn't know they were going to be in tax hell when they made their decision. They also didn't know that Roberson was going to get hurt, and that likely factored into their decision, as did the fact that they had just drafted Terrance Ferguson.

[FireMicoHalili]

https://twitter.com/T1m_NBA/status/1037893680949067776

Huestis played 1,000 minutes last season and wasn't good even if he was given ample opportunity. Highlight videos are tricky. Everyone's assuming he can shoot, block, and be Danny Green 2.0 but until he actually shows up in camp and earns a contract, it pays to be skeptical regarding his skill.

[ceperez]

Keep in mind that OKC couldn't afford to take on additional salary as their luxury tax bill was going to be enormous after signing PG to his max contract and having to eat Carmelo's huge contract. They were looking at the single largest luxury tax bill in NBA history if they were to keep Carmelo, Kyle Singler and Huestis' 4th year rookie deal. They knew before last season ended they were facing a serious salary / luxury tax situation so they really had no choice but to decline his 4th year option. Otherwise, his 4th year contract would essentially cost them twice as much when considering the luxury tax impact which is a dollar for dollar tax. I'm sure the Thunder would've liked to keep him as everyone in their organization says he was developing well and he did get ample playing time in key games during last season. It looks to me like he was not retained purely for salary/financial reasons. It looks like the Spurs may have landed a nice piece if he shows the defensive skills he displayed last season. He can develop his shooting stroke in time but right now he certainly has an NBA-ready skill with his defense.

Spurs may benefit from OKC's financial bind.

Remember, OKC drafted Heustis before Spurs drafted Anderson. So we'll never know if Heustis was preferred over Anderson by the Spurs.

Fingers crossed here that OKC' loss is Spurs win!

[SAGirl]

BnXZl-clojc
I like how Walker is smiling through that drill.., Presage of good things to come hopefully.

[hooperflash]

I like how Walker is smiling through that drill.., Presage of good things to come hopefully.
Yeah , I picked up on that too. I really like our group of guys, I value player progression so much.

[KDKSpurs24]

I like how Walker is smiling through that drill.., Presage of good things to come hopefully.
I don’t think he’s smiling he’s just looking and trying to catch his breath at the same time. Almost like a slight grimace from being tired. Poetl is smiling though.

[SAGirl]

They declined his option before LAST season, assuming in October. I'm not saying PG on a max wasn't in the thought process. But they didn't know they were going to be in tax hell when they made their decision. They also didn't know that Roberson was going to get hurt, and that likely factored into their decision, as did the fact that they had just drafted Terrance Ferguson.

Thinking about this, I imagine they could have signed him back on a minimum contract had they wanted to anyways.. GSW did that with Looney iirc.

I am reflecting on that video of Huestis saying he'd rather play in a team where he will get a real opportunity to play, so maybe he's figured out that between Paul George and Roberson coming back from his injury, + the commitment made to Jerami Grant, he wasn't going to get minutes... anyway. It's on him, he had opportunities to earn a role the same way those guys made it (Grant for example was far from a given staying player when initially traded there)... Maybe he was offered the min. deal and he wasn't interested, but it's real risky. What if he doesn't make it in the Spurs? So, I am thinking he wasn't offered even the min. deal or his agent miscalculated interest in him. Either way, he should be desperate. It's now or never.

[SAGirl]

I don’t think he’s smiling he’s just looking and trying to catch his breath at the same time. Almost like a slight grimace from being tired. Poetl is smiling though.
scroll to the second video.
the first one is Bryn Forbes clearly grimacing.
the second one is Walker clearly smiling

[KDKSpurs24]

scroll to the second video.
the first one is Bryn Forbes clearly grimacing.
the second one is Walker clearly smiling
I clearly didn’t notice the second video. And hell, they’re actually BOTH grimacing from pushing themselves through the drill.

[Fusternino]

Looking at 2019 draft prospects for SF's. I know nothing about college basketball but this: http://www.nbadraftroom.com/2017/08/the-2019-nba-draft-class-is-loaded-at.html suggests its a good draft. If we can move into the late lottery using both picks and Forbes if he has a great season then we can draft the SF of the future and have a rotation of pick/Gay/Blossomgame.

EDIT: Looks like two French combo forwards are available. Interesting . . .

[keithington1]

Looking at 2019 draft prospects for SF's. I know nothing about college basketball but this: http://www.nbadraftroom.com/2017/08/the-2019-nba-draft-class-is-loaded-at.html suggests its a good draft. If we can move into the late lottery using both picks and Forbes if he has a great season then we can draft the SF of the future and have a rotation of pick/Gay/Blossomgame.

EDIT: Looks like two French combo forwards are available. Interesting . . .I think the Spurs need to trade both their picks and gather as many assets as they can. Right now they have a very strong balanced team. This draft is weak outside of the lottery. More than likely the 2 picks will be in the late 20's. The Spurs have a great young core of Murray, White, Walker, and Poeltl who all will need to be payed. There is no real need for a SF right now with Bertans locked up and Walker on the rise and especially if Gay sign for more years. Also I can't imagine a dynamic SF falling outside of the lottery in this weak draft. Draft and stash is a possibility, but more than likely that pick will bust. It might be smart to trade Militunov, Hanga, and Dangubic as well. I like Militunov but he's a worse Poeltl. DYK the Celtics might get 2 lottery picks this year? They are going to rule for a very long time. We have the opportunity to gather some assets while still competing. We might need to trade Derozan as well maybe for a overpaid veteran and picks in the last year of his deal. I just don't see how he could be in the future plans for the Spurs. Of course winning a title or getting to the WCF would complicate these ideas. Those are problems I would like to have.

[Gordy58]

Does anyone know anything about the spurs signing blossomgame? I’ll be pissed if he doesn’t get a camp invite at least

[Chinook]

Does anyone know anything about the spurs signing blossomgame? I’ll be pissed if he doesn’t get a camp invite at least

I'd give him less than a 10-percent chance of getting out of camp if they sign him. I could see him thinking that's not good enough. It's also not too likely he gets a two-way offer from the club unless Pon falls apart. I'd still like to see another wing brought in to compete for that last spot with Huestis and QP. But I could understand why both PATFO and Blossom wouldn't be too hasty in making him that guy.

[Pavlov]

Does anyone know anything about the spurs signing blossomgame? I’ll be pissed if he doesn’t get a camp invite at leastBlossomgame can force his way into camp or a quick waiving by taking up his tender offer. I'm sure he knows where he stands with the club and will act accordingly.

[BackHome]

We’re not going to get much in a trade with two mid late draft picks. The best I think we would be able to do would be mid 15 to 18 range which could get a very good player. I don’t know if next year will be a weak draft a lot depends on who comes out.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/seattlestorm/status/1038253018943123456

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/safoodbank/status/1037691360675999744

[Duncan87]

Already spending time with Toro teammates 🤮

[Duncan87]

NickJohnson to the right

[jyra]

Any idea who that guy on the left is?

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/UW_MBB/status/1038527901929332736

[tbdog]

Metu is skinny as. I don't think he could even play pf with that frame.

[BackHome]

PF position is changing to more length and speed to old days bruisers but I agree he needs to add about 15 pds of muscle. Even with his slight frame I think he could add it and not mess with his speed

[Ice009]

https://twitter.com/UW_MBB/status/1038527901929332736

Man, Dejounte and his girl seem to wear matching clothes quite often.

[dbestpro]

Man, Dejounte and his girl seem to wear matching clothes quite often.

You know its her idea. Just her way of marking her turf.

[cd021]

Looking at 2019 draft prospects for SF's. I know nothing about college basketball but this: http://www.nbadraftroom.com/2017/08/the-2019-nba-draft-class-is-loaded-at.html suggests its a good draft. If we can move into the late lottery using both picks and Forbes if he has a great season then we can draft the SF of the future and have a rotation of pick/Gay/Blossomgame.

EDIT: Looks like two French combo forwards are available. Interesting . . .

I could see the Spurs ending up with say the 23rd (theirs) and if everything goes right- the 26th pick. I don't think those two picks get us to the lottery, and I high doubt Forbes has any value in a trade- either now or then. He has a bunch of competition (Mills, Murray, DDR, White, Beli) and the worse of those player.

Maybe those two picks get us up to 18 but then is it really worth it to give up a second 1st to jump five spots? Unless it's a prospect the Spurs are very high on. Its could end up playing out that PATFO may have two player wings that they end up targeting and they fall to the 20's because of the position's depth in the 1st round, then the Spurs may be better off keeping both picks and using Toronto's to stash a player.

[Fusternino]

I could see the Spurs ending up with say the 23rd (theirs) and if everything goes right- the 26th pick. I don't think those two picks get us to the lottery, and I high doubt Forbes has any value in a trade- either now or then. He has a bunch of competition (Mills, Murray, DDR, White, Beli) and the worse of those player.

Maybe those two picks get us up to 18 but then is it really worth it to give up a second 1st to jump five spots? Unless it's a prospect the Spurs are very high on. Its could end up playing out that PATFO may have two player wings that they end up targeting and they fall to the 20's because of the position's depth in the 1st round, then the Spurs may be better off keeping both picks and using Toronto's to stash a player.

Seeing a lot of rumble for us drafting Garland (Vanderbilt PG) or Tillie. It looks like anyone outside of Barrett/Zion Williamson/Sekou/Little could fall out of the lottery. Maybe just draft two of whoever and see if one pans out while not re-signing Cunningham/Pondexter.

[Maddog]

Metu is skinny as. I don't think he could even play pf with that frame.

And he doesn't look much taller than walker ...

Oh wait......

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/UW_Football/status/1038887502151438336

[jermaine]

https://twitter.com/UW_Football/status/1038887502151438336

I can't see the pics you post anymore. My phone messed up an I had to reset it. Idk what has changed, is it something special you know of I should change?

[TD 21]

Metu is skinny as. I don't think he could even play pf with that frame.

Yet Bertans, who goes +.5 in height, equal in weight, -2.5 in wingspan, can.

And Bell, who goes -1.5 in height, -1 in weight, -.75 in wingspan, can play C.


I could see the Spurs ending up with say the 23rd (theirs) and if everything goes right- the 26th pick. I don't think those two picks get us to the lottery, and I high doubt Forbes has any value in a trade- either now or then. He has a bunch of competition (Mills, Murray, DDR, White, Beli) and the worse of those player.

Maybe those two picks get us up to 18 but then is it really worth it to give up a second 1st to jump five spots? Unless it's a prospect the Spurs are very high on. Its could end up playing out that PATFO may have two player wings that they end up targeting and they fall to the 20's because of the position's depth in the 1st round, then the Spurs may be better off keeping both picks and using Toronto's to stash a player.

Not impossible Spurs end up a 2nd tier team, but 3rd (14-22) is more likely. Specifically, the mid-high portion of that is probably most likely. The Raptors' pick should be 27-30. Combined, that could probably get them a late lottery-mid round pick.

It's worth it to move up if they think it's the difference between getting a possible long term answer at SF or not. That needs to be the goal more so than depth considering the gaping hole at and importance of that position, as well as the decent haul of young talent they've accumulated the past few years.

Hunter seems interesting and even though it means little at this stage, as of right now is thought to go in the 3rd tier range.

[Fusternino]

Stopped watched college sports more or less after 2010-2011 when UMD essentially fired both their basketball and football coaches. Decided to leave the ACC for no good reason in 2012. Glad Murray still gets a kick of the stuff, though.

[Fusternino]

Yet Bertans, who goes +.5 in height, equal in weight, -2.5 in wingspan, can.

And Bell, who goes -1.5 in height, -1 in weight, -.75 in wingspan, can play C.



Not impossible Spurs end up a 2nd tier team, but 3rd (14-22) is more likely. Specifically, the mid-high portion of that is probably most likely. The Raptors' pick should be 27-30. Combined, that could probably get them a late lottery-mid round pick.

It's worth it to move up if they think it's the difference between getting a possible long term answer at SF or not. That needs to be the goal more so than depth considering the gaping hole at and importance of that position, as well as the decent haul of young talent they've accumulated the past few years.

Hunter seems interesting and even though it means little at this stage, as of right now is thought to go in the 3rd tier range.

Honestly, I'm wondering if we should move whatever it takes to get Sekou. The offer would need to go well beyond both picks/rights to Hanga/Forbes (if he has a great season). Would need to include some of White/rights to Milutinov/rights to Blossomgame. I'm really sold on him.

[stxspurs]

I can't see the pics you post anymore. My phone messed up an I had to reset it. Idk what has changed, is it something special you know of I should change?

Dont see pics either

[ace3g]

21 days till the Spurs first preseason game!!!

[spurs10]

21 days till the Spurs first preseason game!!! September 30...Woot!
:flag:

[hooperflash]

You know its her idea. Just her way of marking her turf.
Yeah, the new videos proves she bought one to match him. He had the hoodie before she did.

[YGWHI]

I can't see the pics you post anymore. My phone messed up an I had to reset it. Idk what has changed, is it something special you know of I should change?

There are a new version for mobile
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275550

If it doesn't work for you or doesn't fix the issues, just post in this thread asking timvp to help you.
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275424

[YGWHI]

1038399060338589698

A player changes his agent and most people think he will leave his team next offseason... :D

[monkeypunk]

I'm excited for this new season as long as DDR can play as part of a team. Kawhi is a crazy good talent but he wasn't what won in 2014, it was the Beautiful Game, moving the ball, getting around defenses and finding the open man for the best shot. KLs post 2014 trajectory was not in line with that as his ISO success inflated his touches which runs counter to the BG.

Maybe I'm smoking the hopium but with a squad of hungry team guys, we can be a lot more flexible on how we attack the games then just throw KL at them. I also think a vocal leader like DDR can have a greater impact on the team play / chemistry than KL who didn't talk but wanted all the touches. This would be the perfect time for POP to break all the BG plays and footage and build the new guys foundation upon it. After a few more years of Pop (praying boy with dog.jpg) he can leave the team with the culture that has meant the most to the team and the city.

Selfless teamwork, defensive study and daily effort is a winning strategy.

[Duncan87]

Some media guy on Twitter said introductory press for kawhi and green Sept21

[Dverde]

1038399060338589698

A player changes his agent and most people think he will leave his team next offseason... :D

That Lakers-Rondo signing makes more sense now. Lakers can get Demarcus or Quitter to play next to Anthony Davis/LBJ. End may be near for Warriors.

[Ice009]

Can they afford two max free agents?

Also, how long is AD's contract? Does he have an opt out?

[jermaine]

There are a new version for mobile
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275550

If it doesn't work for you or doesn't fix the issues, just post in this thread asking timvp to help you.
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275424

Thanks s milli.... An I tried the mobile thing, it didn't help either.

[daslicer]

Can they afford two max free agents?

Also, how long is AD's contract? Does he have an opt out?

Davis isn't eligible to be a FA until summer of 2020. He has opt out he can use in 2020.

[jyra]

Thanks s milli.... An I tried the mobile thing, it didn't help either.

Do you happen to use Firefox? Disabling the tracking protection fixed this problem for me.

[szkorhetz]

Deng signs with Minny

[cd021]

Honestly, I'm wondering if we should move whatever it takes to get Sekou. The offer would need to go well beyond both picks/rights to Hanga/Forbes (if he has a great season). Would need to include some of White/rights to Milutinov/rights to Blossomgame. I'm really sold on him.

Man, I really think you're overrating the Spurs assets. He is currently the second pick in Draft Nets 2019 mock, even if he ends up being 12 that is probably still pretty safely out of the Spurs grasp.

Forbes doesn't and likely won't have much trade value.

Militinov was a 1st rounder from 4 years ago, he's been a decent player on a good team but nothing to really get worked up about.

Hangs is 29 an under contract for a couple more seasons

White played only 137 minutes as a rookie, he looks to have a nice set of skills but until he shows it, he doesn't have much value either.

[phxspurfan]

Man, I really think you're overrating the Spurs assets. He is currently the second pick in Draft Nets 2019 mock, even if he ends up being 12 that is probably still pretty safely out of the Spurs grasp.

Forbes doesn't and likely won't have much trade value.

Militinov was a 1st rounder from 4 years ago, he's been a decent player on a good team but nothing to really get worked up about.

Hangs is 29 an under contract for a couple more seasons

White played only 137 minutes as a rookie, he looks to have a nice set of skills but until he shows it, he doesn't have much value either.

Spurs have no trade value. All of our farm assets are with the team and most are stinky anyway besides Walker and Murray. The rest of our guys are junky Euro players with contractual restrictions. We can't get anything from other teams without trading core at this point.

[cd021]

Spurs have no trade value. All of our farm assets are with the team and most are stinky anyway besides Walker and Murray. The rest of our guys are junky Euro players with contractual restrictions. We can't get anything from other teams without trading core at this point.

No value to other teams. I never liked Forbes and don't think his ceiling is particularly good.

I guess there is still hope that Milultinov can be a rotation big but PATFO waiting 4 years to bring him over worries me.

White has a chance to be good but he has to actually play.

Poeltl could end up being a solid 25 mpg starting 5

2 first rounders are good assets, even late firsts, and the Spurs do have all of their 1sts going forward, so that is good.

[Chinook]

Spurs have no trade value. All of our farm assets are with the team and most are stinky anyway besides Walker and Murray. The rest of our guys are junky Euro players with contractual restrictions. We can't get anything from other teams without trading core at this point.

Yeah, I think you rank the assets as:

Walker Murray

Poeltl

Spurs pick
White
Raps Pick

Metu Milutinov

Nothing else is worth even talking about. Honestly, the last two aren't, but maybe they could fill in a gap. Honestly, the Spurs' best-case scenario would be for Toronto to completely tank and give SA two high-seconds. That would hurt them for trading purposes, but it would give them two years of access to the top of the second round, which is my favorite area for finding gems. If the Spurs end up with like 24 and 28, I'd rather see them use the picks than trade up to 18 or so. If they do look to trade, I'd much rather trade down with that second pick for multiple assets (not for cash) rather than moving up a few spots, unless a good prospect falls for some reason like with Walker.

[LCM]

Davis isn't eligible to be a FA until summer of 2020. He has opt out he can use in 2020.

so Pelicans have this year and then they are in "big market team coming for your small town superstar" territory. What is the ceiling on a trade package for AD that doesn't include the Celtics and all the players and picks they can throw at NOLA? Is AD and Rich Paul going to go with the KL tactic of "we only want to be traded to the Lakers"?

[phxspurfan]

No value to other teams. I never liked Forbes and don't think his ceiling is particularly good.

I guess there is still hope that Milultinov can be a rotation big but PATFO waiting 4 years to bring him over worries me.

White has a chance to be good but he has to actually play.

Poeltl could end up being a solid 25 mpg starting 5

2 first rounders are good assets, even late firsts, and the Spurs do have all of their 1sts going forward, so that is good.

Exactly. We have a bunch of guys we could develop, but no George Hill's or Kawhi Leonard's (young guys we developed that have good/great value) atm. Totally agree if we actually give PT to guys like Poetl, White, Metu ... even BGame, they may end up being good and develop good trade value.

Yes on the 1sts, even if our acquired 1sts are back-end picks. But teams would want a 1st and a pick for likely anyone good enough to get (that much over replacement value to replace someone already in the rotation *cough* mills *cough* Cunningham).

[phxspurfan]

Honestly, the Spurs' best-case scenario would be for Toronto to completely tank and give SA two high-seconds.

That could totally happen btw. Kawhi feels even a twinge in his Thigh Owie and Uncle whispers in his ear to shut it down for the rest of the year. Drake goes into hiding as Fat Lowry can't carry them without DeFrozen who meanwhile is beasting down in South Texas. Lakers sign Kawhi anyway, but on the cheap for a huge Magic Johnson win.



What's funny is if he does this, which is entirely possible if his injury is anything like he said it was last year (where he sat out an entire year bc he :cry couldn't take the pain :cry), he will have lost over 2 years, the SuperMax, and a regular Max deal. :lol what a moron.

[Fusternino]

Lakers could put together a trade package for Davis. I think they'd still have room for room to give Kawhi a max. Davis's contract isn't as cheap as Kawhi's (right now) but it was done before the second large jump in the cap. KCP/Wagner/Ingram/Lonzo works for AD on RealGM. Magic would try something like that for sure.

And you have no clue how well White/Forbes will do this year. They could become assets. Honestly, even moving to like 16 . . . who knows what could happen. But I don't really know how quickly the SF's fall off after Barrett/Zion/Sekou/Little so maybe it's not worth it.

[Chillen]

So Lakers gonna trade for Anthony Davis and pray Kawhi wants to be a Laker still.

[YGWHI]

What's funny is if he does this, which is entirely possible if his injury is anything like he said it was last year (where he sat out an entire year bc he :cry couldn't take the pain :cry), he will have lost over 2 years, the SuperMax, and a regular Max deal. :lol what a moron.

I wouldn't call a moron an injured player, if he can't play at great level to get those max contracts anymore, it's not his fault. Injuries happen and ruin careers, nothing new.



That Lakers-Rondo signing makes more sense now. Lakers can get Demarcus or Quitter to play next to Anthony Davis/LBJ. End may be near for Warriors.


So Lakers gonna trade for Anthony Davis and pray Kawhi wants to be a Laker still.

I doubt it. Two days ago, Ramona said that Lakers are looking for Klay not Kawhi.
Better fit with LeBron, Kawhi's injury is an issue short and long term, lower salary, and the part they love about this move...if they get Klay, it weakens GSW. She said they would like to sign Klay and a top big like AD/Cousins.

If Kawhi's camp still wants to sign with Lakers, his representatives will get only A-bag-of-Doritos/4 y :D

[Dverde]

So Klay is going to leave to be Lebron’s #2 or 3. I don’t care if his father played there, he is only leaving to a featured player somewhere not Lebron’s sidekick.

[sasaint]

So Klay is going to leave to be Lebron’s #2 or 3. I don’t care if his father played there, he is only leaving to a featured player somewhere not Lebron’s sidekick.

IMO, Klay dosn’t Have the game for a featured player. He is an elite sidekick.

[cd021]

Yet Bertans, who goes +.5 in height, equal in weight, -2.5 in wingspan, can.

And Bell, who goes -1.5 in height, -1 in weight, -.75 in wingspan, can play C.



Not impossible Spurs end up a 2nd tier team, but 3rd (14-22) is more likely. Specifically, the mid-high portion of that is probably most likely. The Raptors' pick should be 27-30. Combined, that could probably get them a late lottery-mid round pick.

It's worth it to move up if they think it's the difference between getting a possible long term answer at SF or not. That needs to be the goal more so than depth considering the gaping hole at and importance of that position, as well as the decent haul of young talent they've accumulated the past few years.

Hunter seems interesting and even though it means little at this stage, as of right now is thought to go in the 3rd tier range.

-I don't expect the Spurs to struggle enough to be picking in the teens again this season, barring last season's injury luck. I could see them finishing 5th in the West and there being three or four teams in the East with better records but that would land them pick number 21 or 22. Maybe that plus 26 or 27 lands PATFO the 15th or 16th pick, depending on what team is picking there and whether they like the players within that range.


-SF is the definitely the biggest hole on the roster and the Spurs are going to need a long term option there, this draft is probably their best chance to get one.

Even if that player isn't going to be ready to contribute during DDRs and LMAs last season under contract, finding one that has starter potential to slot in next to Murray and Walker for the foreseeable future should be the priority.

-There are currently about 7 wings that are currently being mocked as potential 1st round picks; for all we know Hunter (for example) could be available in the early 20's, post tournament, combine, and individual workouts- where players can significantly improve their standing, leap frogging others, leaving the Spurs with the Raps pick do do with it what they please.

[Chinook]

I imagine that at least one of the Lawsons will be around when the Spurs pick. Identifying the best one and hoping that one falls would be important, but even if they are only as good as the Morris twins, that would be a tremendous get at a position of need. I know he's sat out a year, but Dedric in particular looks to be exactly what the Spurs need in that he has the size, length and defensive potential. In the shallowest of comparisons, it looks like Lawson two years ago holds up pretty well against Hunter last year and Kawhi the year he came out:

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=de-andre-hunter--dedric-lawson--kawhi-leonard

I think I'm going to turn the TT over a bit earlier this year, at least in terms of the draft. That way, we'll have threads to follow guys during the season.

[Fusternino]

-I don't expect the Spurs to struggle enough to be picking in the teens again this season, barring last season's injury luck. I could see them finishing 5th in the West and there being three or four teams in the East with better records but that would land them pick number 21 or 22. Maybe that plus 26 or 27 lands PATFO the 15th or 16th pick, depending on what team is picking there and whether they like the players within that range.


-SF is the definitely the biggest hole on the roster and the Spurs are going to need a long term option there, this draft is probably their best chance to get one.

Even if that player isn't going to be ready to contribute during DDRs and LMAs last season under contract, finding one that has starter potential to slot in next to Murray and Walker for the foreseeable future should be the priority.

-There are currently about 7 wings that are currently being mocked as potential 1st round picks; for all we know Hunter (for example) could be available in the early 20's, post tournament, combine, and individual workouts- where players can significantly improve their standing, leap frogging others, leaving the Spurs with the Raps pick do do with it what they please.

I have no idea how good Wilkes/King/Tillie are who I assume are the remaining 3 SF first round prospects after the obvious top 4. Tillie is more of a 3/4 as opposed to a 2/3 compared to the other two. All are massive for their position, though. Might just have to go with the most coachable one.

[BackHome]

Yeah a couple of prospects that we might draft have size height 6’7 + and wingspan over 7’ I think we have a chance of getting a talented SF prospect.

[phxspurfan]

I wouldn't call a moron an injured player, if he can't play at great level to get those max contracts anymore, it's not his fault. Injuries happen and ruin careers, nothing new.

Ok, poster with screen named Kawhi. Not a player-fan at all I see.

And no, he wasn't that hurt. If he really was, why was he going to Dodger games with Magic Johnson right after the season ended. Also why did he declare himself 100% the week before the draft and right after the season ended (conveniently).


Anyway we will soon find out. Either way if he was truly hurt that bad and is never the same it wasn't our fault, we babied the shit out of him and it was he who went super hard during the summer and he who went to China, not the Spurs. And we would have dodged a huge bullet by not offering the Super Max to (psychologically and physically) damaged goods. And if he was a punk and just played the whole organization for a year for 19 MILLION DOLLARS with a fake injury and comes out gangbusters, shame on him, and good for the Spurs for not offering the SuperMax to a liar who is willing to drag the franchise down. The same franchise who helped him win a ring and notariety so early, and who took a chance on a 19 year old who wasn't that good, and developed him into a player with superstar skills.

[TD 21]

-I don't expect the Spurs to struggle enough to be picking in the teens again this season, barring last season's injury luck. I could see them finishing 5th in the West and there being three or four teams in the East with better records but that would land them pick number 21 or 22. Maybe that plus 26 or 27 lands PATFO the 15th or 16th pick, depending on what team is picking there and whether they like the players within that range.


-SF is the definitely the biggest hole on the roster and the Spurs are going to need a long term option there, this draft is probably their best chance to get one.

Even if that player isn't going to be ready to contribute during DDRs and LMAs last season under contract, finding one that has starter potential to slot in next to Murray and Walker for the foreseeable future should be the priority.

-There are currently about 7 wings that are currently being mocked as potential 1st round picks; for all we know Hunter (for example) could be available in the early 20's, post tournament, combine, and individual workouts- where players can significantly improve their standing, leap frogging others, leaving the Spurs with the Raps pick do do with it what they please.

Sure, they could do better than late teens, but I wouldn't call it a struggle if they didn't. Just about any order between them and the likes of the Nuggets, Pacers, Lakers, Bucks, Timberwolves, Pelicans, Trail Blazers, Wizards and to a lesser extent, Thunder and Jazz, wouldn't surprise me.

It's impossible to predict a draft outside of the elite prospects this far in advance, but Hunter fits the profile of the type of player who should be valued higher than where he's currently listed at. Ideally, he's available with their own pick. If not, he's someone to consider trading up for.

[phxspurfan]

I doubt it. Two days ago, Ramona said that Lakers are looking for Klay not Kawhi.
Better fit with LeBron, Kawhi's injury is an issue short and long term, lower salary, and the part they love about this move...if they get Klay, it weakens GSW. She said they would like to sign Klay and a top big like AD/Cousins.

If Kawhi's camp still wants to sign with Lakers, his representatives will get only A-bag-of-Doritos/4 y :D

This is probably true. It's clear LeBron doesn't really like Kawhi and Kawhi doesn't really like LeBron. LeBron likes winners, not crybaby pussies who trash legends like his friend Coach Pop.


If anything, Kawhi will end up in Clippers land and be the laughing stock of the league, while his stupid uncle and sister try to break into show business down there.

[Fusternino]

Basically at peace with the Mills and Belinelli contracts at this point. Just please flip Forbes and look for long-term solutions at SF beyond Cunningham/Pondexter.

Just looked up Hunter. 7'2" wingspan looks good and I like his shooting.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/marcobelinelli/status/1040925757902659585

[iGetbuckets]

Basically at peace with the Mills and Belinelli contracts at this point. Just please flip Forbes and look for long-term solutions at SF beyond Cunningham/Pondexter.

Just looked up Hunter. 7'2" wingspan looks good and I like his shooting.

Deandre Hunter?

[daslicer]

This is probably true. It's clear LeBron doesn't really like Kawhi and Kawhi doesn't really like LeBron. LeBron likes winners, not crybaby pussies who trash legends like his friend Coach Pop.


If anything, Kawhi will end up in Clippers land and be the laughing stock of the league, while his stupid uncle and sister try to break into show business down there.

If Lebron hates Kawhi then why is he willing to work out with him? Lebron is also a crybaby and whiner. Don't get it twisted that if Lebron feels Kawhi can help him win then he will go after him.

[cd021]

Basically at peace with the Mills and Belinelli contracts at this point. Just please flip Forbes and look for long-term solutions at SF beyond Cunningham/Pondexter.

Just looked up Hunter. 7'2" wingspan looks good and I like his shooting.

I am fine with Mills deal, especially considering that in year 3 and year 4 the cap spikes by at least $8 million his annual raise's are only around $800,000 meaning that the cap significantly outpaces the growth of his deal, making his contract look much better, and also more tradable if they were to go that route.

I don't love Belinelli's deal but it is only for 2 years, Spurs aren't going to have cap space anyways, next season most likely.

-I keep hearing about people wanting PATFO to flip Forbes but he is an undersized 2 that really only has one NBA skill -3pt shooting. Those players aren't especially hard to find and plus the Spurs probably overpaid to bring him back, making a trade less likely.

I am worried about SF this season, though, Ariza and Carrol both may end up being available. The Spurs could be enticing considering that they would be able to come in and start on a playoff team.


I am definitely going to follow the potential 1st round wing prospects this the year-as you mentioned, there are quite a few, so odds are that PATFO can nab one that they like with 2 1st rounder's to work with.

[Fusternino]

Deandre Hunter?

Yeah, he was recommend by someone earlier in this thread (maybe you?).

We'll see what happens with Forbes. If he shoots like 42% while playing 10-14 minutes a game he would at least be a neutral asset.

A pick in the range of 12-18 should definitely be enough to get someone we can develop. This is a SF loaded draft. But I'm not planning to watch college ball just to look at SF prospects.

As for Blossomgame/Cunningham/Pondexter . . . let's only keep one of them. Blossomgame will either develop a 3 ball or he won't this upcoming season.

Looking ahead right now to see if we keep Bertans after 2 years or move onto someone else.

[Fusternino]

Basically, I consider Mills/Belinelli to be eventual old guys instead of TP9/Manu who we should keep around as 3rd stringers to mentor. I think Murray/White and DDR/LWIV is the best guard rotation we've had in years. Could easily be set for a decade.

[Chillen]

This is probably true. It's clear LeBron doesn't really like Kawhi and Kawhi doesn't really like LeBron. LeBron likes winners, not crybaby pussies who trash legends like his friend Coach Pop.


If anything, Kawhi will end up in Clippers land and be the laughing stock of the league, while his stupid uncle and sister try to break into show business down there.

Bull crap LeBron doesn't like Kawhi they were just working out. LeBron talks to Durant when most competitive NBA players like in the 80's and 90's would just hang up the phone with a f**ky** see you on the court. If Kawhi signs with Clippers it's because of his ego not LeBron.

[tmtcsc]

Would love to trade Gasol & whoever else necessary for Butler.

[cd021]

Yeah, he was recommend by someone earlier in this thread (maybe you?).

We'll see what happens with Forbes. If he shoots like 42% while playing 10-14 minutes a game he would at least be a neutral asset.

A pick in the range of 12-18 should definitely be enough to get someone we can develop. This is a SF loaded draft. But I'm not planning to watch college ball just to look at SF prospects.

As for Blossomgame/Cunningham/Pondexter . . . let's only keep one of them. Blossomgame will either develop a 3 ball or he won't this upcoming season.

Looking ahead right now to see if we keep Bertans after 2 years or move onto someone else.

I think Cunningham and Pondexter are definitely one and done while I still have no idea what Blossomgame is.

He is only 6'7 with a 6'10 wingspan, pretty good athlete but looks more like a 4 than a stretch 4 or a 3 and didn't really even take 3s in the G League.

He might be able to defend an NBA level but how is he going to stay on the floor if he can't shoot as a SF and may be too small to be a full PF.

[TheRemix]

Butler would be perfect on the spurs. Hope the team is trying to find a way to land him

[Fusternino]

Not sure if we have any way to get him.

[phxspurfan]

We're not getting Butler, or any other good FA for the next 5 years.

[Fusternino]

Yeah honestly I would just hope we draft well (2019 loaded with SF's), the young guys develop well including some of the fringe prospects (Blossomgame, Milutinov), none of Aldridge/DDR/Gay fall off a cliff, and then the Lakers poach Klay. Might happen.

[TimmyBuckets]

Been spoiled for over 20 years. It's gonna be weird watching a team that can't compete for chip. I don't see any big name FA coming to SA. Pop finna leave and no one on this squad is bringing in any great players. Glory days are gone.

[Gordy58]

Been spoiled for over 20 years. It's gonna be weird watching a team that can't compete for chip. I don't see any big name FA coming to SA. Pop finna leave and no one on this squad is bringing in any great players. Glory days are gone.
Relax, we’ll be fine.

[cd021]

We're not getting Butler, or any other good FA for the next 5 years.
We're not getting Butler in FA, but it has more to do with our top two players making $54 million and the Spurs having to a maneuvers like crazy with their other middling contracts to get far enough underneath the cap just to sign a player who will start off around $33 million.

[Fusternino]

Yeah I actually think if anything Butler is one of the few FAs who would sign here. Just not seeing how we would go about fleecing the Wolves in a trade.

[NASpurs]

Thread worthy?

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1041683863372623874

[NASpurs]

Anyway... the timing is funny with Parker leaving. :lol

Fuck... after reading comments from other places, I guess I wasn't the only one with who thought that.

[r0drig0lac]

Thread worthy?

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1041683863372623874

after parker leaving? lmao

[loveforthegame]

Once Parker was gone. :lol

[NASpurs]

after parker leaving? lmao


Once Parker was gone. :lol

:lol we're all thinking the same thing

[bklynspursfan]

Thread worthy?

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1041683863372623874

I thought so

[SpursDynasty85]

Thread worthy?

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1041683863372623874

That's pretty crazy but what happened between them was a long time ago. People can forgive and move on. Ultinately it would be up to them two to make things work when they cross paths in the future. It would seem childish to hold onto something like that when it seems the woman is out of both of their lives at this point and they just want to try and build a Spurs winning culture. Barry helped us win 2 titles too. He deserves to be a apart of the culture. Doesn't change my thinking that Parker left because of the role, not because of some unknown or made up office drama by the Kawhi situation.

[NASpurs]

I thought so

Ok made it. :tu

[RD2191]

Ok made it. :tu

:lol

[bklynspursfan]

Ok made it. :tu

:toast

[Dex]

Ok made it. :tu

What a save!
What a save!
What a save!

[ceperez]

Josh Heustis signs deal ... https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/spurs-josh-huestis-receives-exhibit-10-deal/

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1041732001450156032

[bklynspursfan]

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[objective]

I'd rather see Blossomgame on a two-way than Huestis, and Brimah on a two-way than Eubanks.

[Chillen]

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Who isn't signing with the Lakers these days, lol. The media wants everyone to join LeBron in Los Angeles. I hope he stays with Warriors it will be so sweet when they do get beat eventually.

[Chinook]

I'd rather see Blossomgame on a two-way than Huestis, and Brimah on a two-way than Eubanks.

I just think it sets a bad precedent to not sign the guys you draft. Blossom would have made a lot of sense as a two-way guy, and I'm sure that money would make a huge difference to his quality of life. Last year, Costello ended up being utterly useless, even though I actually do think he showed some skill. The team ended up not even tendering him, so that shows how much they liked him. Metu removes the need to an emergency center taking up a two-way slot. If Eubanks had shown something in camp, I could see making an exception, but without giving others a chance to compete?

The team essentially have all 17 spots spoken for, with the possible exception being if Pon falls flat on his face. For a team pretty much rebuilding their rotation from scratch, not having any real camp battles just doesn't make sense. Even Cunningham and his increasingly bizarre contract should have been a battle but ended up being an ironclad spot instead.

[tonight...you]

Who isn't signing with the Lakers these days, lol. The media wants everyone to join LeBron in Los Angeles. I hope he stays with Warriors it will be so sweet when they do get beat eventually.
I'd like to see him go to the Knicks. It's been forever since they've been even respectable.

[Dex]

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As much as I hate the Lakers...if this is what it takes to break up the fucking Warriors, do it! Lebron only has a few years left, and the NBA drastically needs a reset.

[tonight...you]

As much as I hate the Lakers...if this is what it takes to break up the fucking Warriors, do it! Lebron only has a few years left, and the NBA drastically needs a reset.
Really? You want a Lakers Renaissance? I sure don't. So we are going to be subjected to their fans lording over more of their Championship counts?
I guess you really really dislike Golden State.

[objective]

I just think it sets a bad precedent to not sign the guys you draft. Blossom would have made a lot of sense as a two-way guy, and I'm sure that money would make a huge difference to his quality of life. Last year, Costello ended up being utterly useless, even though I actually do think he showed some skill. The team ended up not even tendering him, so that shows how much they liked him. Metu removes the need to an emergency center taking up a two-way slot. If Eubanks had shown something in camp, I could see making an exception, but without giving others a chance to compete?

The team essentially have all 17 spots spoken for, with the possible exception being if Pon falls flat on his face. For a team pretty much rebuilding their rotation from scratch, not having any real camp battles just doesn't make sense. Even Cunningham and his increasingly bizarre contract should have been a battle but ended up being an ironclad spot instead.

I agree about the bad look, they are screwing over Blossomgame. Maybe he shares the blame by accepting to be drafted unlike other players who threaten that they don't want to be picked second round, but it's bad.

He even attended the NBA draft. When you think about it, he got what, 26k in the g-league last year? He didn't go to Europe at the end to make extra scratch like Brimah. Maybe playing in the summer league got him an extra couple of thousand plus per diem? Times two for two summer leagues?

He might still owe his agent for fronting money to buy a suit and go to New York for the draft. He's made about what a full time In-And-Out burger slinger makes. A two-way at 75k plus the rare call-ups could have made a huge quality of life improvement for him. I don't know how he even afforded to live in Austin on 26k.

Blossomgame has improved too, his hustle numbers in the summer league were way up iirc.

[TD 21]

I just think it sets a bad precedent to not sign the guys you draft. Blossom would have made a lot of sense as a two-way guy, and I'm sure that money would make a huge difference to his quality of life. Last year, Costello ended up being utterly useless, even though I actually do think he showed some skill. The team ended up not even tendering him, so that shows how much they liked him. Metu removes the need to an emergency center taking up a two-way slot. If Eubanks had shown something in camp, I could see making an exception, but without giving others a chance to compete?

The team essentially have all 17 spots spoken for, with the possible exception being if Pon falls flat on his face. For a team pretty much rebuilding their rotation from scratch, not having any real camp battles just doesn't make sense. Even Cunningham and his increasingly bizarre contract should have been a battle but ended up being an ironclad spot instead.

At this point, the only logical explanation is that they view Forbes as the emergency PG. If 2 of DeRozan, Murray and White had to miss an extended period, I'd expect a PG to be signed though. Mills or Forbes playing without another ball handler is untenable. Really, no one on this roster is equipped to player without another ball handler.

[ceperez]

I agree about the bad look, they are screwing over Blossomgame. Maybe he shares the blame by accepting to be drafted unlike other players who threaten that they don't want to be picked second round, but it's bad.

He even attended the NBA draft. When you think about it, he got what, 26k in the g-league last year? He didn't go to Europe at the end to make extra scratch like Brimah. Maybe playing in the summer league got him an extra couple of thousand plus per diem? Times two for two summer leagues?

He might still owe his agent for fronting money to buy a suit and go to New York for the draft. He's made about what a full time In-And-Out burger slinger makes. A two-way at 75k plus the rare call-ups could have made a huge quality of life improvement for him. I don't know how he even afforded to live in Austin on 26k.

Blossomgame has improved too, his hustle numbers in the summer league were way up iirc.

The other 2-way appears to be already filled by Huestis (assumes he doesn't beat out Pondexter). So the best chance for Blossomgame (does he have a camp invite?) is that Pondexter doesn't make the team.

I like Blossomgame's hustle and he isn't that bad from the 3 point line. I suspect though that he doesn't have the length for his position.

[ceperez]

At this point, the only logical explanation is that they view Forbes as the emergency PG. If 2 of DeRozan, Murray and White had to miss an extended period, I'd expect a PG to be signed though. Mills or Forbes playing without another ball handler is untenable. Really, no one on this roster is equipped to player without another ball handler.

I'm concerned that the Spurs don't really have a natural point guard. You would think that White would carry that load, but even in the US qualifying team, White plays the 2. Mills can't really play point because he's too small to really see the court. Spurs want Forbes to play point, but he's just not a natural.

Oh well!

[Chinook]

At this point, the only logical explanation is that they view Forbes as the emergency PG. If 2 of DeRozan, Murray and White had to miss an extended period, I'd expect a PG to be signed though. Mills or Forbes playing without another ball handler is untenable. Really, no one on this roster is equipped to player without another ball handler.

This is true. On paper, the Spurs have a number of guys who can move the ball and make passes that put their teammates in positions to score. But it seems like it wouldn't take much to completely shatter than optimism. Pressing a guy like Beli into primary or secondary ball-handing duties is the easiest way to kill the perimeter shooting while also hurting their opponents. Pop is really going to have to figure it out

[ceperez]

This is true. On paper, the Spurs have a number of guys who can move the ball and make passes that put their teammates in positions to score. But it seems like it wouldn't take much to completely shatter than optimism. Pressing a guy like Beli into primary or secondary ball-handing duties is the easiest way to kill the perimeter shooting while also hurting their opponents. Pop is really going to have to figure it out

Looks like White is sometimes playing PG with the USA qualifying team. In summer league, he did play point. He was double all the time, but still scored. Perhaps that's the plan, Murray and White on PG duties.

[bklynspursfan]

Who isn't signing with the Lakers these days, lol. The media wants everyone to join LeBron in Los Angeles. I hope he stays with Warriors it will be so sweet when they do get beat eventually.

Yea... They love them some Lakers.

[BillMc]

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Is this dude a remotely reliable source?

[FireMicoHalili]

I'd rather see Blossomgame on a two-way than Huestis, and Brimah on a two-way than Eubanks.
on what basis/es?

[szkorhetz]

Our wing depth is still weak AF, TBH and PATFO seems redundant to do anything.

[NASpurs]

I counted 8 other western conference teams ahead of the Spurs.

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[phxspurfan]

Who isn't signing with the Lakers these days, lol. The media wants everyone to join LeBron in Los Angeles. I hope he stays with Warriors it will be so sweet when they do get beat eventually.

I dunno man, I'd probably like to see Curry get exposed as the chucking fraud he is when he's not surrounded by Thugs who are sponsored and can kick guys in the nuts and better players like Thompson and KD. Lots less shimmying I'd assume on the Bobcats or wherever he goes on his money grab.

[phxspurfan]

Weird, if all these randoms get spots and BGame doesn't. Maybe he was too hood for the coaching staff

[r0drig0lac]

I dunno man, I'd probably like to see Curry get exposed as the chucking fraud he is when he's not surrounded by Thugs who are sponsored and can kick guys in the nuts and better players like Thompson and KD. Lots less shimmying I'd assume on the Bobcats or wherever he goes on his money grab.

this x1000 fuck the worriers

[bklynspursfan]

Is this dude a remotely reliable source?

No clue, but I wouldn't be surprised. Could be speculating from that pic that came out a couple weeks back, but who knows.

https://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/screen-shot-2018-08-21-at-5-46-50-pm.png?w=610&h=343&crop=1

[Duncan87]

Washburn and brimah. No Bgame👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻 Weird thought he improved a lot

[r0drig0lac]

No clue, but I wouldn't be surprised. Could be speculating from that pic that came out a couple weeks back, but who knows.

https://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/screen-shot-2018-08-21-at-5-46-50-pm.png?w=610&h=343&crop=1

the curiosity about this pic is that osman, durant, lebron, kawhi and any random person could probably win the championship

[Duncan87]

👆signed to Camp deals

[objective]

on what basis/es?

Regarding Huestis, I agree with those who are down on him because of all the development time put into him that has gone nowhere. 1 year in the g-league plus 3 under contract with the Thunder plus the four in college, and he's struggling to get a minimum NBA deal.

Blossomgame has had one year in the g-league, and did look improved on defense in summer league. Maybe another year will get him farther. I'd like to see him get the chance.

But further, both Blossomgame and Brimah had great chemistry with White. Having the two of them there will make things easier for White, helping him look good. White will need all the help he can to convince Pop to give him a big role.

[LakerHater]

https://images2.imgbox.com/02/5a/ABVBwBcB_o.jpg

[Spurs Brazil]

pAulGarcia
The Spurs have signed Julian Washburn and Amida Brimah to training camp deals per Real GM.

Once Huestis and Eubanks sign their deals, the Spurs’ camp roster will be up to 19.

[ceperez]

pAulGarcia
The Spurs have signed Julian Washburn and Amida Brimah to training camp deals per Real GM.

Once Huestis and Eubanks sign their deals, the Spurs’ camp roster will be up to 19.

Wow... Blossomgame still missing in action!

[FireMicoHalili]

Regarding Huestis, I agree with those who are down on him because of all the development time put into him that has gone nowhere. 1 year in the g-league plus 3 under contract with the Thunder plus the four in college, and he's struggling to get a minimum NBA deal.

Blossomgame has had one year in the g-league, and did look improved on defense in summer league. Maybe another year will get him farther. I'd like to see him get the chance.

But further, both Blossomgame and Brimah had great chemistry with White. Having the two of them there will make things easier for White, helping him look good. White will need all the help he can to convince Pop to give him a big role.
do you have stats? Or did you follow the Austin Spurs and the Thunder with Huestis a substantial amount of games? I assume you did, given your assessments?

[RD2191]

Lakers above the Spurs :lol

[objective]

do you have stats? Or did you follow the Austin Spurs and the Thunder with Huestis a substantial amount of games? I assume you did, given your assessments?

I've watched more Blossomgame than Huestis by far. But the context surrounding Huestis doesn't go away with watching more games of his, though I did watch everything on YouTube. He was in the pipeline 4 years, OKC has been giving every wing a shot and no dice for Huestis.

Off the top of my head there aren't many first contract guys who Presti gave up on and was wrong about walking away from, like McGary, Payne or Perry Jones. Spurs though I can easily think of cheap young guys who went on to have long careers that Pop and RC somehow couldn't find a spot on the 15 for, like Garrett Temple, Anthony Tolliver, Ian and JaMychal Green. I might have a biased view based on incomplete information considering that I pay attention to the Spurs much more than other teams and so know the history of their roster better. But it doesn't seem like Presti could completely miss on a guy who was there for 4 years without significant injury and just let him walk off onto a make good camp deal. Presti still could have re-signed Huestis for the minimum despite not picking up the fourth year option just like GS did with Looney, but in suppose Presti had seen enough.

Didn't think Blossomgame was an NBA player last year, not much of 3 point shooter, wasn't standing out in the box score defensively at that level. When I watched g-league games I concentrated on White and skipped when he was out of the game so nothing stood out defensively. Blossomgame just looked like a strong athlete who was a smart cutter good at making himself available with good hands.

But I paid more attention in summer league and he just looked better, looked like his defensive awareness was fair enough. Any sign of improvement is a reason to hope at his age, and I'd rather see if he could develop more.

But I don't expect that to happen, I'm sure Huestis will be given the shot. I do wonder what will happen to Blossomgame. G-league salaries I think get a small bump this year, but I wonder if Blossomgame will still be around. Money should be better elsewhere, but once he's somewhere else his development wouldn't follow the same track.

[FireMicoHalili]

I've watched more Blossomgame than Huestis by far. But the context surrounding Huestis doesn't go away with watching more games of his, though I did watch everything on YouTube. He was in the pipeline 4 years, OKC has been giving every wing a shot and no dice for Huestis.

Off the top of my head there aren't many first contract guys who Presti gave up on and was wrong about walking away from, like McGary, Payne or Perry Jones. Spurs though I can easily think of cheap young guys who went on to have long careers that Pop and RC somehow couldn't find a spot on the 15 for, like Garrett Temple, Anthony Tolliver, Ian and JaMychal Green. I might have a biased view based on incomplete information considering that I pay attention to the Spurs much more than other teams and so know the history of their roster better. But it doesn't seem like Presti could completely miss on a guy who was there for 4 years without significant injury and just let him walk off onto a make good camp deal. Presti still could have re-signed Huestis for the minimum despite not picking up the fourth year option just like GS did with Looney, but in suppose Presti had seen enough.

Didn't think Blossomgame was an NBA player last year, not much of 3 point shooter, wasn't standing out in the box score defensively at that level. When I watched g-league games I concentrated on White and skipped when he was out of the game so nothing stood out defensively. Blossomgame just looked like a strong athlete who was a smart cutter good at making himself available with good hands.

But I paid more attention in summer league and he just looked better, looked like his defensive awareness was fair enough. Any sign of improvement is a reason to hope at his age, and I'd rather see if he could develop more.

But I don't expect that to happen, I'm sure Huestis will be given the shot. I do wonder what will happen to Blossomgame. G-league salaries I think get a small bump this year, but I wonder if Blossomgame will still be around. Money should be better elsewhere, but once he's somewhere else his development wouldn't follow the same track.
1. Context surrounding Huestis meaning? He wasn’t given an opportunity and looks like he can play defense in YouTube, ergo he needs to be given much more than the 1,000 minutes he was given last year? For a Spurs fan, that’s a favourable context. From the Thunder’s side of the fence, it’s quite telling (a) they didn’t rush to re-sign him; and that (b) it means he’s leapfrogged by Ferguson. There’s another circumstance in that the Spurs didn’t offer the last roster slot but rather a two-way contract.
2. Based off Anderson’s and Simmons’s previous performances in SL, that’s the level a player has to play in order to be at least a decent rotation player. Blossomgame’s numbers didn’t pop out and his were actually better than Eubanks, but Eubanks got the two-way slot faster than Blossomgame and Brimah did. Somewhere, somehow Blossomgame has to read between the lines.

I don’t want to belabor the point further since their contracts are inconsequential, but I’m extremely averse to people who base assessments off Youtube highlights. I don’t know the extent of coverage you’ve managed to sift through, but the circumstances surrounding the roster moves indicate Blossomgame isn’t good enough and that Huestis would be s fringe player at best. Two-way contracts only give players 45 days with the team. If the Spurs truly daw something special, the same would have been a guaranteed offer.

[Chinook]

People are too keen to assume there's something PATFO is missing that they can see. But I also think it's a lazy answer to say that Huestis must have been the better choice is PATFO picked him. Blossomgame is still a younger player and stockier, and he's unable to try out for any team but SA unless he forces the issue. My concern with how PATFO has been handling two-way deals is not necessarily that they've been missing out on the better players (though you could make that argument). Rather, it's that they've seem really player-unfriendly by not signing guys they draft. Back when they only had 15 slots, it made sense to look for guy who could contribute or who had real potential. But two-way deals have two purposes: Making it easier to live on a d-league salary and reducing the instability that comes with the call-up system.

I feel like the Spurs missed the mark on both of those purposes last year, and they are running a similar risk with Eubanks this year. They shouldn't feel entitled for guys they draft to work at d-league wages for years and then end up falling out the system. While second-rounders are not guaranteed anything, there is or should be a level of trust that's fostered between a team an all of their draftees that the team intends to sign them at some point. If two-way deals are supposed to make it so guys can stay in country much more easily, then there's less excuses for asking draftees to take less. The Spurs obviously didn't prefer Costello to Blossomgame last year, or else they would have taken him instead. But they paid Costello significantly more (like $200k more), and they look to be planning on doing the same thing with Eubanks. It's messed up, and while it's not illegal, if I were a potential Spurs draftee, I'd want my agent to discourage PATFO from taking me.

The team has just been low-key bad for draftees for a long time. They used to try to screw first-rounders out of money every year (Deeks wrote an article back when he was still doing Sham Sports about how rare it was to not give a player 120-percent of the rookie scale, and the Spurs had like half of the total instances in league history). Yes, they've paid from surgeries (which I don't think is rare except maybe in cases like Robertas Javtokas where it wasn't an basketball-related incident), but they've also repeated passed on giving guys training-camp invites unless they force the team's hand. When the guys actually come over, they seem reluctant to pay real value for them (which I completely understand but which is still a bad thing from a player-relations perspective). Bertans took less money to come over; Hanga didn't. I think we're just seeing the next way that inherent combativeness has manifested. I didn't like it when they tried to give Hill less than the minimum 10 years ago, and I don't like it now.

[TDMVPDPOY]

seems like if you are not patfo favorite or big3, u going to get low ball

[hooperflash]

Jazz are so high up on Zeke’s list , wow

[ceperez]

People are too keen to assume there's something PATFO is missing that they can see. But I also think it's a lazy answer to say that Huestis must have been the better choice is PATFO picked him. Blossomgame is still a younger player and stockier, and he's unable to try out for any team but SA unless he forces the issue. My concern with how PATFO has been handling two-way deals is not necessarily that they've been missing out on the better players (though you could make that argument). Rather, it's that they've seem really player-unfriendly by not signing guys they draft. Back when they only had 15 slots, it made sense to look for guy who could contribute or who had real potential. But two-way deals have two purposes: Making it easier to live on a d-league salary and reducing the instability that comes with the call-up system.

I feel like the Spurs missed the mark on both of those purposes last year, and they are running a similar risk with Eubanks this year. They shouldn't feel entitled for guys they draft to work at d-league wages for years and then end up falling out the system. While second-rounders are not guaranteed anything, there is or should be a level of trust that's fostered between a team an all of their draftees that the team intends to sign them at some point. If two-way deals are supposed to make it so guys can stay in country much more easily, then there's less excuses for asking draftees to take less. The Spurs obviously didn't prefer Costello to Blossomgame last year, or else they would have taken him instead. But they paid Costello significantly more (like $200k more), and they look to be planning on doing the same thing with Eubanks. It's messed up, and while it's not illegal, if I were a potential Spurs draftee, I'd want my agent to discourage PATFO from taking me.

The team has just been low-key bad for draftees for a long time. They used to try to screw first-rounders out of money every year (Deeks wrote an article back when he was still doing Sham Sports about how rare it was to not give a player 120-percent of the rookie scale, and the Spurs had like half of the total instances in league history). Yes, they've paid from surgeries (which I don't think is rare except maybe in cases like Robertas Javtokas where it wasn't an basketball-related incident), but they've also repeated passed on giving guys training-camp invites unless they force the team's hand. When the guys actually come over, they seem reluctant to pay real value for them (which I completely understand but which is still a bad thing from a player-relations perspective). Bertans took less money to come over; Hanga didn't. I think we're just seeing the next way that inherent combativeness has manifested. I didn't like it when they tried to give Hill less than the minimum 10 years ago, and I don't like it now.

They just gave a second-rounder (#49) Metu a 3 year contract. When's the last time the Spurs did that? So we can't argue here that Spurs are unwilling to sign a second rounder, they just did!

Regarding 2-way, Spurs got a lot of action from Hillard last year (played 14 game). He decided this year to play in Europe. So we can't argue that the Spurs won't use their 2 way contracts. They did last year.

About Costello and Eubanks, its insurance in case a big goes down. Costello played just 4 games last season.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Jimmy buckets anyone????

[NASpurs]

It's that time of the year to scour the internet for shady streams of preseason games.

1042429157525921793

[TheRemix]

Gasol and mills for jimmy please

[look_at_g_shred]

Come one PATFO! Get on that jimmy buckets train.

[TimDunkem]

Jimmy Buckets wants out and has a list of 3 teams he would sign an extension with. Curious to see what teams. Doubtly any of them are SA though.

[NASpurs]

Gasol and Jimmy are like bffs. There were pics of them hanging out together during the offseason. Not like it ultimately matters.

[bklynspursfan]

Hypothetically, would a Kawhi for Butler straight up have worked had Butler put this out there earlier?

Tho RIP to Kawhi's quad playing for Thibs

[SpursDynasty85]

People are too keen to assume there's something PATFO is missing that they can see. But I also think it's a lazy answer to say that Huestis must have been the better choice is PATFO picked him. Blossomgame is still a younger player and stockier, and he's unable to try out for any team but SA unless he forces the issue. My concern with how PATFO has been handling two-way deals is not necessarily that they've been missing out on the better players (though you could make that argument). Rather, it's that they've seem really player-unfriendly by not signing guys they draft. Back when they only had 15 slots, it made sense to look for guy who could contribute or who had real potential. But two-way deals have two purposes: Making it easier to live on a d-league salary and reducing the instability that comes with the call-up system.

I feel like the Spurs missed the mark on both of those purposes last year, and they are running a similar risk with Eubanks this year. They shouldn't feel entitled for guys they draft to work at d-league wages for years and then end up falling out the system. While second-rounders are not guaranteed anything, there is or should be a level of trust that's fostered between a team an all of their draftees that the team intends to sign them at some point. If two-way deals are supposed to make it so guys can stay in country much more easily, then there's less excuses for asking draftees to take less. The Spurs obviously didn't prefer Costello to Blossomgame last year, or else they would have taken him instead. But they paid Costello significantly more (like $200k more), and they look to be planning on doing the same thing with Eubanks. It's messed up, and while it's not illegal, if I were a potential Spurs draftee, I'd want my agent to discourage PATFO from taking me.

The team has just been low-key bad for draftees for a long time. They used to try to screw first-rounders out of money every year (Deeks wrote an article back when he was still doing Sham Sports about how rare it was to not give a player 120-percent of the rookie scale, and the Spurs had like half of the total instances in league history). Yes, they've paid from surgeries (which I don't think is rare except maybe in cases like Robertas Javtokas where it wasn't an basketball-related incident), but they've also repeated passed on giving guys training-camp invites unless they force the team's hand. When the guys actually come over, they seem reluctant to pay real value for them (which I completely understand but which is still a bad thing from a player-relations perspective). Bertans took less money to come over; Hanga didn't. I think we're just seeing the next way that inherent combativeness has manifested. I didn't like it when they tried to give Hill less than the minimum 10 years ago, and I don't like it now.

Blossomgame I was fine with giving a chance because he seems like a nice guy but when has 2nd rounders needing to be pampered and shown loyalty ever been a thing? Most on here complain about how the Spurs loyalty contracts suck (some do) but now we need to cater to 2nd rounders? Not a good strategy when Spurs always are thin in top half rotation and need to make every ounce count in the bottom half. Honestly reflecting back, isn't Dante Cunningham a near identical body and athleticism but with actual 3 point skills and playoff experience? Blossomgame is expendable because he is not the type of wing we need. Huestis is a better fit because he is more of a perimeter defensive threat.

[RD2191]

Get it done RC. "Potential" can gtfo. We need proven players now.

[RD2191]

Someone post the birdman cash money gif for fucks sake.

[bklynspursfan]

Nets, Knicks, Clippers... Per Woj

[RD2191]

Nets, Knicks, Clippers... Per Woj

Fuuuuuucccckkkkkk

[NASpurs]

Nets, Knicks, Clippers... Per Woj

The three teams everyone guessed :lol

[RD2191]

Doesn't mean shit though. Wolves will send him wherever they can get the best return.

[r0drig0lac]

Nets, Knicks, Clippers... Per Woj
big 4 in ny = butler, porz, irving and kawhi

[NASpurs]

big 4 in ny = butler, porz, irving and kawhi

I wouldn't mind seeing that.

[bklynspursfan]

The three teams everyone guessed :lol

haha.. this gotta be killing Thibs

[szkorhetz]

The three teams everyone guessed :lol
I can somewhat understand LAC, but the NY teams? Really?

[TimDunkem]

I can somewhat understand LAC, but the NY teams? Really?

He's only been linked to NY for a year now.

[Dex]

https://i.imgur.com/laZiDTV.png

Come on Thibs, the Timberbulls dream is still alive!

[bklynspursfan]

Doesn't mean shit though. Wolves will send him wherever they can get the best return.

Of course. But you're likely to get more back if the team you're dealing him to knows they'll get him to re-sign.

This feels all too familiar, not sure why.... :wakeup

[NASpurs]

https://i.imgur.com/laZiDTV.png

Come on Thibs, the Timberbulls dream is still alive!

Thibs would be fired immediately after the trade is done. :lol

[RD2191]

What do any of those teams have to offer though? Tbh. Clips and nets are all trash and the Knicks ain't trading porz.

[NASpurs]

I can somewhat understand LAC, but the NY teams? Really?

$$$$$

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24733577/jimmy-butler-minnesota-timberwolves-seeking-trade-brooklyn-nets-la-clippers-new-york-knicks

"Those three teams have the maximum salary-cap space to sign Butler as a free agent in July."

[RD2191]

I can somewhat understand LAC, but the NY teams? Really?

Supposedly he and Kyrie want to team up in NYC.

[RD2191]

$$$$$

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24733577/jimmy-butler-minnesota-timberwolves-seeking-trade-brooklyn-nets-la-clippers-new-york-knicks

"Those three teams have the maximum salary-cap space to sign Butler as a free agent in July."

So the dude wants to get paid.

[cd98]

Doesn't mean shit though. Wolves will send him wherever they can get the best return.

Yes, but I'm done with a one-year rental. I prefer to develop our young players than to trade them for a 30 year old that hasn't been that good in a few years and has a bad attitude and wants to go join a superteam in a year.

[TimDunkem]

Nothing to see here, tbh. He goin' to NY.

[Clipper Nation]

So the dude wants to get paid.

It's Melo all over again. He's so desperate for big-market money that he'd rather gut his next team's roster now than wait a few months.

I don't want him on the Clippers, so hopefully Dolan does one of his usual dumb panic moves.

[marinoman]

If he’s willing to resign id give patty, white and picks but he prolly isnt so mills and pau for him

[BillMc]

Of course. But you're likely to get more back if the team you're dealing him to knows they'll get him to re-sign.

This feels all too familiar, not sure why.... :wakeup
:lol

[FireMicoHalili]

I just think it sets a bad precedent to not sign the guys you draft. Blossom would have made a lot of sense as a two-way guy, and I'm sure that money would make a huge difference to his quality of life. Last year, Costello ended up being utterly useless, even though I actually do think he showed some skill. The team ended up not even tendering him, so that shows how much they liked him. Metu removes the need to an emergency center taking up a two-way slot. If Eubanks had shown something in camp, I could see making an exception, but without giving others a chance to compete?

The team essentially have all 17 spots spoken for, with the possible exception being if Pon falls flat on his face. For a team pretty much rebuilding their rotation from scratch, not having any real camp battles just doesn't make sense. Even Cunningham and his increasingly bizarre contract should have been a battle but ended up being an ironclad spot instead.
From a fan’s perspective, it does. Let’s develop our own draft picks and hope they deliver on the purpose of drafting him. But what team is actually obliged to sign their own second round picks? How many 59th overall picks in the past 10 years have stuck around? The sad reality is that some players outside the draft perform better than those selected.

[ace3g]

One of Pop's houses is for sale

https://bustedcoverage.com/2018/09/18/gregg-popovich-house-for-sale-san-antonio-photos/

https://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/pop-house-16.png

https://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/pop-house-12.png


https://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/pop-house-20.png

[Dex]

1042800080976134145

Dang, those Frost logos are bigger than I was expecting.

[RD2191]

Richard Jefferson's father killed in a drive by in Compton.

http://m.tmz.com/#!2018/09/20/richard-jefferson-father-killed-drive-by-shooting-compton-la/

[Chinook]

Richard Jefferson's father killed in a drive by in Compton.

http://m.tmz.com/#!2018/09/20/richard-jefferson-father-killed-drive-by-shooting-compton-la/

Fuck. That's awful. But why the shit was he in Compton?

[BillMc]

Richard Jefferson's father killed in a drive by in Compton.

http://m.tmz.com/#!2018/09/20/richard-jefferson-father-killed-drive-by-shooting-compton-la/

Tragic. My sympathies to RJ and his family.

[RD2191]

Fuck. That's awful. But why the shit was he in Compton?

Apparently he's a Christian missionary, although I don't know how true that is seeing as he was shot outside of a liquor store.

[gambit1990]

Apparently he's a Christian missionary, although I don't know how true that is seeing as he was shot outside of a liquor store.
god works in mysterious ways.

[RD2191]

god works in mysterious ways.

:lol

[Degoat]

Don’t see it posted anywhere but I think jaron blossomgame got a camp deal with the spurs, he posted on his Instagram story a clip of him showing his spurs jersey.

[TheGreatYacht]

Don’t see it posted anywhere but I think jaron blossomgame got a camp deal with the spurs, he posted on his Instagram story a clip of him showing his spurs jersey.
God damn shame that RJ's dad got killed but the useless fucks at SAEN are still here bumming it up.

We have to worst local media in the country and it's not close.

[NASpurs]

40th signing for training camp

https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/1042909880796041218

[JPB]

Apparently he's a Christian missionary, although I don't know how true that is seeing as he was shot outside of a liquor store.

The news was misquoted : he was actually doing Christian missionary... when Christian's BF popped up. It's Tony-Brent all over again...

[Chinook]

40th signing for training camp

https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/1042909880796041218

Hopefully it's either a multi-year deal or has that provision to convert it to a two-way. Hanlan makes a ton of sense as a 17th man. He's not a very good player, even in the d-league, but he can play on the ball and score decently. Of course, he made me more comfortable in letting Bryn walk, but I guess we'll have to see both on the big club at the same time.

[objective]

I never saw anything in Hanlan, but better to give the guy a longshot chance and become a free agent if he's determined to stay in the US

[TheGreatYacht]

L oh fucking l. Drunkford really trying his hardest to make it seem like Utah didn't fleece him for Diaw.

[rastaspur]

Apparently he's a Christian missionary, although I don't know how true that is seeing as he was shot outside of a liquor store.

Lol

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1042943731735965697

[Chinook]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1042943731735965697

Wut?

EDIT. I guess it's possible that Eubanks was left off the TC roster because he's going to be on a two-way. But still ... wut?

[Gordy58]

How many spots for the training camp roster again?

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/nemomocha/status/1042819720972513280

[TDMVPDPOY]

would lol td coming out of retirement just for 1 more year....probably still better then gasoft

[John B]

https://twitter.com/nemomocha/status/1042819720972513280
Is that his new number? Or his twin brother Tommy?? :spin

[cd021]

https://twitter.com/nemomocha/status/1042819720972513280
Man the Spurs take jersey retirement seriously, Duncan can't even wear 21 anymore. :lol

[mo7888]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1042943731735965697

Hopefully there's a trade in the works to clear room. Doubtful but still...

[bklynspursfan]

Man the Spurs take jersey retirement seriously, Duncan can't even wear 21 anymore. :lol

:lol