Spurs 2018 offseason thread

[cutewizard]

MJ had an incredible low post game.......

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I often wonder what would happen if Pop coached MJ.......

[SpursDynasty85]

I often wonder what would happen if Pop coached MJ.......

Kawhi 2015-2017 was the closest thing to post 93 Jordan you will see. Kobe was second but Kawhi and MJ played so similarly because of their hands, pension for defense, and both were not really checkers compared to Kobe (less defensive minded and more of a chucker) imo.

[cutewizard]

Kawhi 2015-2017 was the closest thing to post 93 Jordan you will see. Kobe was second but Kawhi and MJ played so similarly because of their hands, pension for defense, and both were not really checkers compared to Kobe (less defensive minded and more of a chucker) imo.


:bobo

[SpurPadre]

See though... Just because other countries are acting lower than you doesn't mean you have to stoop.
No progress towards a greater good happens that way.

Of course we can devolve to the feudal days, but where did that get us?

There are better solutions. We could become the greatest country on Earth, like we used to be...
Now we're looked upon like Hitler's Germany waiting to burst.

But even that argument is bullshit right-wing rhetoric that flies in the face of the very real intervening and rigging the US has played in installing puppet governments in these countries INCLUDING Mexico and Honduras, to avoid "another Chavez/Maduro or Castro" tbh.

[cutewizard]

MJ s pull up jumper was sick tbh

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Toni Kukoc was probably underrated too

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Im pretty convinced MJ Bulls would obliterate Currys Warriors

[cd98]

The Bulls are a great team, but Warriors three point shooting would really hurt the Bulls. Plus Green could guard any of their bigs, so Bulls would have to go small and I don’t think they had a great small ball line up.

[SpursDynasty85]

The Bulls are a great team, but Warriors three point shooting would really hurt the Bulls. Plus Green could guard any of their bigs, so Bulls would have to go small and I don’t think they had a great small ball line up.

No matter what rules were going by it would be a great series but ultimately the team who has to play by the rules the other team was built in would win. Bulls would completely out muscle the Warriors if they played by 90's rules and Warriors would eventually tire out the defenders and shoot lights out in today's NBA.

[Fusternino]

Remote sensing and more border patrol is a much better investment, tbh.

Pretty bummed Raptors got Monroe. Helps them make up for losing Poeltl.

[tbdog]

The Bulls are a great team, but Warriors three point shooting would really hurt the Bulls. Plus Green could guard any of their bigs, so Bulls would have to go small and I don’t think they had a great small ball line up.

Rodman would own Green in the paint. I think the Warriors would have to stay big just to stop the constant second chance options. If Leonard could dismantle the Warriors defense, then I would imagine MJ would break it further apart.

[Joseph Kony]

what have you done for the good of the country lately? Are you all talk ?

dumbass proud to be a cog in a machine :lol

[daslicer]

The Bulls are a great team, but Warriors three point shooting would really hurt the Bulls. Plus Green could guard any of their bigs, so Bulls would have to go small and I don’t think they had a great small ball line up.

Bulls at times would play Rodman at center. I remember they played him at center a lot against Shaq in the 96 ECF and would trot out a small ball line up of Harper,Jordan,Pippen,Kukoc,Rodman. Warriors going small against the bulls would actually be to their detriment. The bulls would kill them on the boards.

[cd98]

Bulls at times would play Rodman at center. I remember they played him at center a lot against Shaq in the 96 ECF and would trot out a small ball line up of Harper,Jordan,Pippen,Kukoc,Rodman. Warriors going small against the bulls would actually be to their detriment. The bulls would kill them on the boards.

I’d disagree. Green could handle Rodman. He’s probably better than Rodman. He can shoot better than Rodman and pass better and is as good a defender. Harper was not great when he got to Chicago so Warriors would hide Curry on him and then every other position they would match up well. Sure Jordan scores 50, but Durant could hang 40 on that team easy. Plus Chicago would be stretched defensively. Warriors have 5 guys that can hit threes. Durant is an underrated big guy who can rebound and shot block and score. Bulls don’t have a 4 that could guard him. Thunder Durant owned Kawhi in the playoffs, so I don’t think Pippen shuts him down at all. Who guards Curry? Jordan etc would have a tough time guarding him and then scoring on the other end. Plus Bulls have no shot blocking. Durant could easily be a rim protector in a small ball line up...Rodman was never a rim protector and was overrated as anything other than a rebounder.

[dbestpro]

I’d disagree. Green could handle Rodman. He’s probably better than Rodman. He can shoot better than Rodman and pass better and is as good a defender. Harper was not great when he got to Chicago so Warriors would hide Curry on him and then every other position they would match up well. Sure Jordan scores 50, but Durant could hang 40 on that team easy. Plus Chicago would be stretched defensively. Warriors have 5 guys that can hit threes. Durant is an underrated big guy who can rebound and shot block and score. Bulls don’t have a 4 that could guard him. Thunder Durant owned Kawhi in the playoffs, so I don’t think Pippen shuts him down at all. Who guards Curry? Jordan etc would have a tough time guarding him and then scoring on the other end. Plus Bulls have no shot blocking. Durant could easily be a rim protector in a small ball line up...Rodman was never a rim protector and was overrated as anything other than a rebounder.

This is always what happens. As the years pass people forget how good players were, and think their guy playing now is superior.

[Mr. Body]

I’d disagree. Green could handle Rodman. He’s probably better than Rodman. He can shoot better than Rodman and pass better and is as good a defender. Harper was not great when he got to Chicago so Warriors would hide Curry on him and then every other position they would match up well. Sure Jordan scores 50, but Durant could hang 40 on that team easy. Plus Chicago would be stretched defensively. Warriors have 5 guys that can hit threes. Durant is an underrated big guy who can rebound and shot block and score. Bulls don’t have a 4 that could guard him. Thunder Durant owned Kawhi in the playoffs, so I don’t think Pippen shuts him down at all. Who guards Curry? Jordan etc would have a tough time guarding him and then scoring on the other end. Plus Bulls have no shot blocking. Durant could easily be a rim protector in a small ball line up...Rodman was never a rim protector and was overrated as anything other than a rebounder.

Yeah, I think a team would have to punish the Warriors inside and the Bulls sucked in that regard. I don't think Durant scores nearly that many points. That's ridiculous. Jordan would do really well, but the difference is in 3-point shooting and I'm not sure the Bulls could keep up.

[cd98]

This is always what happens. As the years pass people forget how good players were, and think their guy playing now is superior.

Goes both ways. Some people overrate players in the past and think that the new guys couldn’t hang in the league circa 1990’s.

[cd98]

Yeah, I think a team would have to punish the Warriors inside and the Bulls sucked in that regard. I don't think Durant scores nearly that many points. That's ridiculous. Jordan would do really well, but the difference is in 3-point shooting and I'm not sure the Bulls could keep up.

Right. Bulls could hang in stretches, but when Curry et al go on those three point frenzies, they’d kill midrange teams like Chicago. We all like to treat Durant like a beta and for good reason with him joining the Warriors. But he is a great player and scorer and his size and shooting touch on a team where you can’t double team, makes him almost impossible to guard. To be honest, you have to be able to switch to handle the Warriors, and Warriors would just work to get their players one on one with Toni and then eat his lunch. But Warriors could ignore Rodman and Harper on defense bc they were subpar scorers and then double and triple Jordan.

[kaji157]

Warriors wouldn't be as effective with the way nba was called in the 90's. Durant and Curry would suffer a lot.

[daslicer]

I’d disagree. Green could handle Rodman. He’s probably better than Rodman. He can shoot better than Rodman and pass better and is as good a defender. Harper was not great when he got to Chicago so Warriors would hide Curry on him and then every other position they would match up well. Sure Jordan scores 50, but Durant could hang 40 on that team easy. Plus Chicago would be stretched defensively. Warriors have 5 guys that can hit threes. Durant is an underrated big guy who can rebound and shot block and score. Bulls don’t have a 4 that could guard him. Thunder Durant owned Kawhi in the playoffs, so I don’t think Pippen shuts him down at all. Who guards Curry? Jordan etc would have a tough time guarding him and then scoring on the other end. Plus Bulls have no shot blocking. Durant could easily be a rim protector in a small ball line up...Rodman was never a rim protector and was overrated as anything other than a rebounder.

Draymond is garbage. Dude is glorified role player. I have said before many times that if he wasn't in Golden State he would be a scrub. Draymond has a shitty jump shot which he can't hit when he's open, can't create off the dribble. Rodman would easily be able to lock down Green and take him out of the game mentally. How's Draymond's passing going to help against Rodman's D? Keep in mind Rodman used to lockdown Pippen during his Piston days and Pippen was a superior passer and offensive player compared to Draymond. You are also not factoring in Scottie Pippen. Pippen is basically Lebron lite. Warriors would have nobody on their team that could check Scottie. Warriors also don't have 5 guys who can hit 3's consistently. I'll give you Curry-Klay-KD but outside of them they don't have consistent knock down 3 point shooters. Bulls in my eyes would be able to lock down both Green/Klay and would force Curry/Durant to beat them.

After how the Rox nearly beat the Warriors this year with a CP3/Harden combo it's really hard for me to believe MJ/PIppen/Rodman trio could not knock them out.

[cutewizard]

Now watching the MJ 63 point game against the Celtics

[cutewizard]

Draymond is garbage. Dude is glorified role player. I have said before many times that if he wasn't in Golden State he would be a scrub. Draymond has a shitty jump shot which he can't hit when he's open, can't create off the dribble. Rodman would easily be able to lock down Green and take him out of the game mentally. How's Draymond's passing going to help against Rodman's D? Keep in mind Rodman used to lockdown Pippen during his Piston days and Pippen was a superior passer and offensive player compared to Draymond. You are also not factoring in Scottie Pippen. Pippen is basically Lebron lite. Warriors would have nobody on their team that could check Scottie. Warriors also don't have 5 guys who can hit 3's consistently. I'll give you Curry-Klay-KD but outside of them they don't have consistent knock down 3 point shooters. Bulls in my eyes would be able to lock down both Green/Klay and would force Curry/Durant to beat them.

After how the Rox nearly beat the Warriors this year with a CP3/Harden combo it's really hard for me to believe MJ/PIppen/Rodman trio could not knock them out.


:bobo

Well said good Sir......

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Im pretty convinced MJ Bulls would obliterate Currys Warriors

Especially with rules they had then

[cutewizard]

I think the young Jordan was definitely light years beyond the young Lebron......

What do you think guys??

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Now watching the MJ 63 point game against the Celtics

Mj better then James

[cutewizard]

Rodman would own Green in the paint. I think the Warriors would have to stay big just to stop the constant second chance options. If Leonard could dismantle the Warriors defense, then I would imagine MJ would break it further apart.

:bobo

[daslicer]

:bobo

Well said good Sir......

People also are not factoring Harper-Jordan-Pippen were great perimeter defenders. All 3 of them would have worn down Curry-Durant-Klay over a 7 game series and force them into some bad shooting games. Warriors rarely play a team that has 1 great perimeter defender. Imagine them having to deal with 3.

[cutewizard]

Mj better then James


I agree with you good Sir.....

[daslicer]

I also believe Durant would have choked against the Bulls. He choked in Games 4-6 against the Rox. He was fortunate Klay and Curry were able to cover for his choke jobs in those games.

[Mr. Body]

Right. Bulls could hang in stretches, but when Curry et al go on those three point frenzies, they’d kill midrange teams like Chicago. We all like to treat Durant like a beta and for good reason with him joining the Warriors. But he is a great player and scorer and his size and shooting touch on a team where you can’t double team, makes him almost impossible to guard. To be honest, you have to be able to switch to handle the Warriors, and Warriors would just work to get their players one on one with Toni and then eat his lunch. But Warriors could ignore Rodman and Harper on defense bc they were subpar scorers and then double and triple Jordan.

A good team with a great 90s center could give them a ton of trouble. Olajuwon would start fouling everybody out. Shaq would destroy them. Green couldn't handle them and then it would be down the order. That was Chicago's huge weakness, no post play.

[szkorhetz]

Mj better then James
:lol

[r0drig0lac]

The Bulls are a great team, but Warriors three point shooting would really hurt the Bulls. Plus Green could guard any of their bigs, so Bulls would have to go small and I don’t think they had a great small ball line up.

Rodman and Chicago's defense / size / athleticism would give them the advantage against gsw in any era, warriors would need to shoot much better than they shot against Houston for example. Kawhi made gsw team in trouble on its own, MJ would probably be throwing 12 ft in each game against that team, a line with harper, mj, pippen and rodman, would be too much for any current team imo, pick and roll would be useless against this lineup, it would be basically Durant in iso all time

[Spurs da champs]

Warriors would own any Bulls team, too much firepower and defensive versatility.

[Coach X]

You can't compare different players, teams from different eras. Everything was different, the rules for instance.

[Mr. Body]

People also are not factoring Harper-Jordan-Pippen were great perimeter defenders. All 3 of them would have worn down Curry-Durant-Klay over a 7 game series and force them into some bad shooting games. Warriors rarely play a team that has 1 great perimeter defender. Imagine them having to deal with 3.

Bulls were playing in the hand-check era. Curry wouldn't have lasted long back then, just not strong enough.

[tonight...you]

But even that argument is bullshit right-wing rhetoric that flies in the face of the very real intervening and rigging the US has played in installing puppet governments in these countries INCLUDING Mexico and Honduras, to avoid "another Chavez/Maduro or Castro" tbh.
Yeah... no argument.

[KDKSpurs24]

Bulls were playing in the hand-check era. Curry wouldn't have lasted long back then, just not strong enough.
Disagree. Cant even say something like that. Because I always tell people that say things like that if the player was BORN in a certain era they would also have a very different mindset. For example someone always says “If Lebron played in that era he would be too soft and complain about the calls” but in reality he would have the exact same mindset as the other players in the era if he was born in it. He wouldn’t even know about today’s rules or the type of fouls refs call (just like they didn’t). So if Curry was born in that era just like any player his size he would have had their same type of mindset. So with that being said we just don’t even need to compare these eras.

[cd98]

Bulls were playing in the hand-check era. Curry wouldn't have lasted long back then, just not strong enough.

Kevin Johnson wasn't very strong and he did just fine in that era. Same could be said of Mark Price. And Curry is better than those guys.

[cd98]

Draymond is garbage. Dude is glorified role player. I have said before many times that if he wasn't in Golden State he would be a scrub. Draymond has a shitty jump shot which he can't hit when he's open, can't create off the dribble. Rodman would easily be able to lock down Green and take him out of the game mentally. How's Draymond's passing going to help against Rodman's D? Keep in mind Rodman used to lockdown Pippen during his Piston days and Pippen was a superior passer and offensive player compared to Draymond. You are also not factoring in Scottie Pippen. Pippen is basically Lebron lite. Warriors would have nobody on their team that could check Scottie. Warriors also don't have 5 guys who can hit 3's consistently. I'll give you Curry-Klay-KD but outside of them they don't have consistent knock down 3 point shooters. Bulls in my eyes would be able to lock down both Green/Klay and would force Curry/Durant to beat them.

After how the Rox nearly beat the Warriors this year with a CP3/Harden combo it's really hard for me to believe MJ/PIppen/Rodman trio could not knock them out.

Draymond is not a garbage player. Overrated? Yes, but he's not garbage. Just like Rodman wasn't a garbage player, but he was overrated, especially in Chicago. Rodman was a decent defender. I remember a game where Charles Barkley said Rodman was overrated and he was going to prove it in the next game. And prove it he did with 20+ points and double figure rebounds. Rodman was good at flagrantly fouling Jordan in an era when he was allowed to do that. I'd say Rodman was a good defender, but he's not shutting down Durant at the Chicago stage of his career. And if he's guarding Green, so what. Green is the least worrisome player on Warriors offense.

Chicago front three are great defenders, no doubt. But they would have been stretched thin by how far out you have to guard Klay Thompson, Curry, Durant, and Igudola. That would have hurt their ability to play the passing lanes, which was their greatest asset. And Curry and Thompson have routinely shown that they can get their shots off against long defenders that are similar to Pippen and Jordan.

Now I'm not saying the Bulls couldn't beat Warriors in a 7 game series. But it's not a foregone conclusion that Bulls win just because they have the greatest player in basketball on their team. In truth, Jordan was a post up two point scorer. In today's NBA game, that would be an issue with how prevalent the three point shot is. And Warriors three point shooting team would lit up the 90s era basketball. This Warriors team is historically good. There are only like two or three bigs in the league that can even be on the court when Warriors go small. They are highly formidable, even if annoying.

[ducks]

rodman would get in greens head so fast

[cd98]

rodman would get in greens head so fast

True, but Rodman was no stranger to losing his cool and getting ejected and suspended. He did it in Chicago many times despite Chicago being the dominant team in the watered down 90s expansion era.

[daslicer]

Draymond is not a garbage player. Overrated? Yes, but he's not garbage. Just like Rodman wasn't a garbage player, but he was overrated, especially in Chicago. Rodman was a decent defender. I remember a game where Charles Barkley said Rodman was overrated and he was going to prove it in the next game. And prove it he did with 20+ points and double figure rebounds. Rodman was good at flagrantly fouling Jordan in an era when he was allowed to do that. I'd say Rodman was a good defender, but he's not shutting down Durant at the Chicago stage of his career. And if he's guarding Green, so what. Green is the least worrisome player on Warriors offense.

Chicago front three are great defenders, no doubt. But they would have been stretched thin by how far out you have to guard Klay Thompson, Curry, Durant, and Igudola. That would have hurt their ability to play the passing lanes, which was their greatest asset. And Curry and Thompson have routinely shown that they can get their shots off against long defenders that are similar to Pippen and Jordan.

Now I'm not saying the Bulls couldn't beat Warriors in a 7 game series. But it's not a foregone conclusion that Bulls win just because they have the greatest player in basketball on their team. In truth, Jordan was a post up two point scorer. In today's NBA game, that would be an issue with how prevalent the three point shot is. And Warriors three point shooting team would lit up the 90s era basketball. This Warriors team is historically good. There are only like two or three bigs in the league that can even be on the court when Warriors go small. They are highly formidable, even if annoying.

Who are the long defenders that are similar to Pippen and Jordan that Klay/Curry have routinely shown that they can get their shots off against? Spurs with Kawhi/Green were the only team that had the closest set up to the old bulls when it came to perimeter defense. I can't think of a team currently in the league that has a few good perimeter defenders on them. Hell in last year's playoffs the only great perimeter defenders that they faced was Danny Green,Ariza, and both of those guys play on separate teams.

Again when it comes to being stretched I don't put Iguodola up there as a guy whose going to consistently stretch the D. Only Curry/Klay/Durant can consistently stretch the D since they are all great 3 point shooters. It's like I said before I don't think those 3 would shoot consistently great against the bulls. Look at the Rox series where Durant had 3 straight shitty shooting games and Curry also had some bad games. You can say I'm a hater but I believe Durant is a soft mentally and would choke under pressure against the Bulls much like he did against the Rockets. The only difference would be that Jordan would make sure the bulls close them out in game 6 in Oracle unlike Harden.

Also saying Rodman is overrated simply because he got schooled by Barkley is silly. Barkley is no scrub and great players can still school the greatest defenders. Case point is Bruce Bowen getting torched by Bonzi Wells during the '06 playoffs. Granted Bonzi is not a superstar but you see what I'm saying. Also why would the bulls have Rodman guard Durant when they could have Pippen do it? You first said Green could handle Rodman and now you moved the goal post by saying it doesn't matter that Rodman could shut down Green.

I don't buy into this 3>2 bs. Basketball is basketball you play to your strengths and not the other team's strengths. Warriors would give the bulls problems with their 3 point shooting but bulls would also give them problems with their post game in Pippen/MJ. The Spurs had the right idea in '17 when it came to Kawhi/LMA's post ups against the Warriors. Warriors had no way of defending it. It was pretty effective up until Zaza derailed the strategy. You have to factor in how the refs calling touch fouls today would also favor MJ/Pippen since both of them would be getting a lot of freethrows.

On a side note it's kind of depressing making references to the old Kawhi Spur teams in this argument just goes to show that retard and his uncle cost the Spurs a chance at winning another title.

[rastaspur]

Kevin Johnson wasn't very strong and he did just fine in that era. Same could be said of Mark Price. And Curry is better than those guys.

Mark price was tough as nails.

Kevin johnson probably had the quickest first step for that generation. Lightning in a bottle. Hard to hand check someone who just blows by you. Kj was a crazy athlete like allen iverson.

[daslicer]

rodman would get in greens head so fast

Rodman would be the first player Green would come across that Green would find more annoying than himself. Green is mentally weak look at how he overreacted when Tristan pushed him in the neck. A lot of guys are scared of Green and the fake tough guy act tends to work on them. Rodman was scared of nobody and would not worry about getting punched that's what made him very annoying. Rodman would be determine to get in as many cheap shots at Green every game until Green would lose it. I don't think Green would adjust well to playing against a relentless dirty player in Rodman.

[daslicer]

True, but Rodman was no stranger to losing his cool and getting ejected and suspended. He did it in Chicago many times despite Chicago being the dominant team in the watered down 90s expansion era.

Rodman got special treatment with the bulls much like Draymond gets with the Warriors. The only time he got suspended with the bulls was when he head butted the ref and when he kicked the camera man. While he was with the Bulls he never got suspended for being dirty against opposing players.

[daslicer]

Mark price was tough as nails.

Kevin johnson probably had the quickest first step for that generation. Lightning in a bottle. Hard to hand check someone who just blows by you. Kj was a crazy athlete like allen iverson.

KJ to me was like Tony Parker with hops. He had the speed of Parker but also was a great dunker and all around a more complete player.

[San Antonio Slayer]

KJ to me was like Tony Parker with hops. He had the speed of Parker but also was a great dunker and all around a more complete player.
C'mon man, KJ could be a better dunker and athlete but Parker is better overall shooter and a better scorer on penetration, to say nothing about his best tear drop shot I've ever seen.

[daslicer]

C'mon man, KJ could be a better dunker and athlete but Parker is better overall shooter and a better scorer on penetration, to say nothing about his best tear drop shot I've ever seen.

KJ and Parker's career FG percentage is nearly identical. I would say KJ had a much better mid range jump shot than Parker. The only thing Parker is better than KJ at is that he had better footwork.

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[Mr. Body]

Disagree. Cant even say something like that. Because I always tell people that say things like that if the player was BORN in a certain era they would also have a very different mindset. For example someone always says “If Lebron played in that era he would be too soft and complain about the calls” but in reality he would have the exact same mindset as the other players in the era if he was born in it. He wouldn’t even know about today’s rules or the type of fouls refs call (just like they didn’t). So if Curry was born in that era just like any player his size he would have had their same type of mindset. So with that being said we just don’t even need to compare these eras.

That was a stupid response.

[Mr. Body]

Kevin Johnson wasn't very strong and he did just fine in that era. Same could be said of Mark Price. And Curry is better than those guys.

Did I say Curry wouldn't still be good? For fuck's sake. He'd still get points, but he'd get battered. KJ was much more athletic than Curry and Price did alright, All-Star level, but wasn't a god. Curry would get the shit knocked out of him and I don't see any reason he'd get free on picks the way he does now.

[KDKSpurs24]

That was a stupid response.
How was it stupid? Go on? It’s the truth. It doesn’t matter what you think. You can’t place someone in a different era without saying that their mindset would be different because of the times they were born in. Because it that case their style of play would also be different. Curry wouldn’t even be a 3 point shooter anyways because they didn’t shoot them as much in earlier eras. Same for anyone else. You have to apply that. It’s logic. Cant compare. Or can your brain not comprehend that?

[daslicer]

How was it stupid? Go on? It’s the truth. It doesn’t matter what you think. You can’t place someone in a different era without saying that their mindset would be different because of the times they were born in. Because it that case their style of play would also be different. Curry wouldn’t even be a 3 point shooter anyways because they didn’t shoot them as much in earlier eras. Same for anyone else. You have to apply that. It’s logic. Cant compare. Or can your brain not comprehend that?

:lol Curry would still be a 3 point shooter since his father was. Go watch old videos of Dell Curry. You will see his shot is identical to Steph Curry's shot.

[r0drig0lac]

How was it stupid? Go on? It’s the truth. It doesn’t matter what you think. You can’t place someone in a different era without saying that their mindset would be different because of the times they were born in. Because it that case their style of play would also be different. Curry wouldn’t even be a 3 point shooter anyways because they didn’t shoot them as much in earlier eras. Same for anyone else. You have to apply that. It’s logic. Cant compare. Or can your brain not comprehend that?

yes, it would be, just not as effective (hand cheking). hell, he would not even be so efficient today if he did not play on an ultra stacked team, if he were playing in sacramento would be year after year in the lottery and would be seen in a completely different way by all

[KDKSpurs24]

:lol Curry would still be a 3 point shooter since his father was. Go watch old videos of Dell Curry. You will see his shot is identical to Steph Curry's shot.
I meant to say “probably wouldn’t be”. You never know. He also wouldn’t have that father btw. And also I meant high volume because even his dad didn’t take a lot. Obviously. Damn.

Edit: His father didn’t take a shit ton* how about that? Haha

[KDKSpurs24]

yes, it would be, just not as effective (hand cheking). hell, he would not even be so efficient today if he did not play on an ultra stacked team, if he were playing in sacramento would be year after year in the lottery and would be seen in a completely different way by all
I meant he wouldn’t take as many 3 point shots.

[KDKSpurs24]

I was going to edit it but didn’t think I needed to..

[San Antonio Slayer]

why compare Curry to Price or KJ. it should be Abdul Rauf.
Thompson should be comnpared to Reggie.
Durant to Glen Rice.
Green to Webber.
Iggy to Grant Hill.

so it would be Abdul Rauf+Reggie+Rice+Webber+Grant Hill vs Harper+MJ+Pip+Rodman+Kukoc imo

[San Antonio Slayer]

speaking about the bulls leathal five analogue in todays nba it would be:
Harper to any tall combo guard with defensive mindset, without a good 3 pointer and with no wish to have a lot of touches...Dejonte Murray?
MJ...that's tough...let it be Lebron regardless his position
Pippen...I would go with Kawhi of 2016 style not Paul George
Rodman...it has to be Drummond not Davis
Kukoc...I would go with Giannis to make things more interesting))))

so it's Murray+Lebron+Kawhi+Drummond+Giannis vs Curry+Thompson+Durant+Greeg+Iggy...easy win for Lebron team

[daslicer]

I meant to say “probably wouldn’t be”. You never know. He also wouldn’t have that father btw. And also I meant high volume because even his dad didn’t take a lot. Obviously. Damn.

Edit: His father didn’t take a shit ton* how about that? Haha

:lol So now you are creating a hypothetical where he's born to a completely different family. You could then say if Dell was not Steph's father he's definitely not in the NBA. Dell had a huge impact on Steph becoming an NBA player. There is a story when Steph was a teenager during the summer time where Dell forced Steph to change the way Steph shot. I remember hearing Steph say that summer was a painful summer because Dell would force him to shoot a way that he was not comfortable shooting and it took him the whole entire summer to relearn how to shoot. Dell's reasoning for changing Steph's shot was that he felt Steph's shot would not be effective in college or at the pro level. On top of that Steph had confidence issues in hschool and going into college in which Dell was a huge factor in helping him overcome it.

His father was a great 3 point shooter regardless of him not being a high volume shooter from 3's. The most 3 point attempts per a game Dell took was about 5 and he hit over 40 percent on those attempts. He had a few seasons where he was shooting 4-5 a game. I think 5 is still a good amount 3's per game even for today. Guys like Reggie Miller, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice had seasons where they would shoot 5-6 3's per a game. You are acting like they were not high volume 3 point shooters during that era which isn't the case. Granted they were not as many as they are now.

[KDKSpurs24]

:lol So now you are creating a hypothetical where he's born to a completely different family. You could then say if Dell was not Steph's father he's definitely not in the NBA. Dell had a huge impact on Steph becoming an NBA player. There is a story when Steph was a teenager during the summer time where Dell forced Steph to change the way Steph shot. I remember hearing Steph say that summer was a painful summer because Dell would force him to shoot a way that he was not comfortable shooting and it took him the whole entire summer to relearn how to shoot. Dell's reasoning for changing Steph's shot was that he felt Steph's shot would not be effective in college or at the pro level. On top of that Steph had confidence issues in hschool and going into college in which Dell was a huge factor in helping him overcome it.

His father was a great 3 point shooter regardless of him not being a high volume shooter from 3's. The most 3 point attempts per a game Dell took was about 5 and he hit over 40 percent on those attempts. He had a few seasons where he was shooting 4-5 a game. I think 5 is still a good amount 3's per game even for today. Guys like Reggie Miller, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice had seasons where they would shoot 5-6 3's per a game. You are acting like they were not high volume 3 point shooters during that era which isn't the case. Granted they were not as many as they are now.
I’m not even gonna read all of this because I just said my main point was that you can’t even compare it. I know people like to do it but I’m i the camp that just judges each era on its own. What I’m saying is if you start comparing you have to start applying way too many factors and you’ll never get a right answe. How is that difficult to understand?

[cd98]

Offensively, Kawhi is way better than Pippen. Not close. Defensively, they are similar players. But Curry had no trouble getting his shot off on Kawhi during his MVP run.

[BackHome]

Need to change thread title to “I Am Bored As Fuck”.

[FireMicoHalili]

One of the worst kinds of debates. No one wins but everyone comes out a loser. Men hurting each other’s basketball feelings smh

[FireMicoHalili]

Or maybe the beautiful game offense just isn’t feasible. There are other ways to go about it without being so dramatic
:lmao

[r0drig0lac]

Offensively, Kawhi is way better than Pippen. Not close. Defensively, they are similar players. But Curry had no trouble getting his shot off on Kawhi during his MVP run.

interesting, but I will disagree, he is more efficient and more versatile for sure, however it is at least two levels below Pippen as a playmaker, Kawhi had two excellent seasons as a primary option (one of them statistically better than the two seasons of Pippen being the dog alpha in chicago), but taking into account that Pippen played at a slower pace, and in a center-oriented era, Kawhi's advantage as a scorer is less than he looks (yes, he would not be the first choice either if he played with Michael Jordan).

Pippen (and most perimeter players of the '80s and' 90s') would be easier to play on current rules, he is basically a Giannis with less engine, but much more versatile offensively and with a brain (Pippen as a basketball player is better than Hardens and Westbrook) between him and Kawhi is currently basically an tie imo, and if Kawhi playing with hand cheking would probably be the best perimeter defender in the game's history, he would also have more difficulties (and a drop in its efficiency) playing against defenses more physical

[cd98]

interesting, but I will disagree, he is more efficient and more versatile for sure, however it is at least two levels below Pippen as a playmaker, Kawhi had two excellent seasons as a primary option (one of them statistically better than the two seasons of Pippen being the dog alpha in chicago), but taking into account that Pippen played at a slower pace, and in a center-oriented era, Kawhi's advantage as a scorer is less than he looks (yes, he would not be the first choice either if he played with Michael Jordan).

Pippen (and most perimeter players of the '80s and' 90s') would be easier to play on current rules, he is basically a Giannis with less engine, but much more versatile offensively and with a brain (Pippen as a basketball player is better than Hardens and Westbrook) between him and Kawhi is currently basically an tie imo, and if Kawhi playing with hand cheking would probably be the best perimeter defender in the game's history, he would also have more difficulties (and a drop in its efficiency) playing against defenses more physical

I meant that as a better scorer. Pippen was probably a better playmaker, but that was probably facilitated by having Jordan on his team. I mean, defenses always doubled Jordan so if Jordan swings the ball to you, chances are there is a player or two that is open.

[SpursDynasty85]

interesting, but I will disagree, he is more efficient and more versatile for sure, however it is at least two levels below Pippen as a playmaker, Kawhi had two excellent seasons as a primary option (one of them statistically better than the two seasons of Pippen being the dog alpha in chicago), but taking into account that Pippen played at a slower pace, and in a center-oriented era, Kawhi's advantage as a scorer is less than he looks (yes, he would not be the first choice either if he played with Michael Jordan).

Pippen (and most perimeter players of the '80s and' 90s') would be easier to play on current rules, he is basically a Giannis with less engine, but much more versatile offensively and with a brain (Pippen as a basketball player is better than Hardens and Westbrook) between him and Kawhi is currently basically an tie imo, and if Kawhi playing with hand cheking would probably be the best perimeter defender in the game's history, he would also have more difficulties (and a drop in its efficiency) playing against defenses more physical

Kawhi is not a finished product. My guess is Pop knew Kawhi had to develop confidence with his game. Which is why he wanted him to model himself after Jordan and Kobe on offense. He was already and elite defender and he became an efficient scoring machine. For sure his last stage of development would be to add a playmaking ability to his game. We shall see how well he does in Toronto. I'm sure his management and uncle are telling him to chuck shots IP and pad stats like Westbrook or Lebron.

[r0drig0lac]

Kawhi is not a finished product. My guess is Pop knew Kawhi had to develop confidence with his game. Which is why he wanted him to model himself after Jordan and Kobe on offense. He was already and elite defender and he became an efficient scoring machine. For sure his last stage of development would be to add a playmaking ability to his game. We shall see how well he does in Toronto. I'm sure his management and uncle are telling him to chuck shots IP and pad stats like Westbrook or Lebron.

fair, my analysis was based on what we have seen so far, but I really believe that Kawhi if everything works out is in the category of two-way superstars, which is rare in league history

[tonight...you]

Kawhi is not a finished product. My guess is Pop knew Kawhi had to develop confidence with his game. Which is why he wanted him to model himself after Jordan and Kobe on offense. He was already and elite defender and he became an efficient scoring machine. For sure his last stage of development would be to add a playmaking ability to his game. We shall see how well he does in Toronto. I'm sure his management and uncle are telling him to chuck shots IP and pad stats like Westbrook or Lebron.
Kawhi will probably never become a finished product now. Not to the fullest of his capabilities...
Good luck, rookie Raptor's coach.

apalopink is rooting for you.

[Dex]

One of the worst kinds of debates. No one wins but everyone comes out a loser. Men hurting each other’s basketball feelings smh

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6DGNZnfKYnU/hqdefault.jpg

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania

(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania) 6h (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1026885578774667264)
Euroleague standout James Nunnally has agreed to a two-year deal with the Minnesota Timberwolves, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

[ace3g]

Pops!!!!

Sam Amico @AmicoHoops

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[cutewizard]

A good team with a great 90s center could give them a ton of trouble. Olajuwon would start fouling everybody out. Shaq would destroy them. Green couldn't handle them and then it would be down the order. That was Chicago's huge weakness, no post play.


I also think Olajuwons Rockets could compete with the Warriors coz they got the complete package, including defense, outside shooting and clutch play

[cutewizard]

speaking about the bulls leathal five analogue in todays nba it would be:
Harper to any tall combo guard with defensive mindset, without a good 3 pointer and with no wish to have a lot of touches...Dejonte Murray?
MJ...that's tough...let it be Lebron regardless his position
Pippen...I would go with Kawhi of 2016 style not Paul George
Rodman...it has to be Drummond not Davis
Kukoc...I would go with Giannis to make things more interesting))))

so it's Murray+Lebron+Kawhi+Drummond+Giannis vs Curry+Thompson+Durant+Greeg+Iggy...easy win for Lebron team


Interesting

[cutewizard]

Rodman and Chicago's defense / size / athleticism would give them the advantage against gsw in any era, warriors would need to shoot much better than they shot against Houston for example. Kawhi made gsw team in trouble on its own, MJ would probably be throwing 12 ft in each game against that team, a line with harper, mj, pippen and rodman, would be too much for any current team imo, pick and roll would be useless against this lineup, it would be basically Durant in iso all time


This makes a good point.

[cutewizard]

Who are the long defenders that are similar to Pippen and Jordan that Klay/Curry have routinely shown that they can get their shots off against? Spurs with Kawhi/Green were the only team that had the closest set up to the old bulls when it came to perimeter defense. I can't think of a team currently in the league that has a few good perimeter defenders on them. Hell in last year's playoffs the only great perimeter defenders that they faced was Danny Green,Ariza, and both of those guys play on separate teams.

Again when it comes to being stretched I don't put Iguodola up there as a guy whose going to consistently stretch the D. Only Curry/Klay/Durant can consistently stretch the D since they are all great 3 point shooters. It's like I said before I don't think those 3 would shoot consistently great against the bulls. Look at the Rox series where Durant had 3 straight shitty shooting games and Curry also had some bad games. You can say I'm a hater but I believe Durant is a soft mentally and would choke under pressure against the Bulls much like he did against the Rockets. The only difference would be that Jordan would make sure the bulls close them out in game 6 in Oracle unlike Harden.

Also saying Rodman is overrated simply because he got schooled by Barkley is silly. Barkley is no scrub and great players can still school the greatest defenders. Case point is Bruce Bowen getting torched by Bonzi Wells during the '06 playoffs. Granted Bonzi is not a superstar but you see what I'm saying. Also why would the bulls have Rodman guard Durant when they could have Pippen do it? You first said Green could handle Rodman and now you moved the goal post by saying it doesn't matter that Rodman could shut down Green.

I don't buy into this 3>2 bs. Basketball is basketball you play to your strengths and not the other team's strengths. Warriors would give the bulls problems with their 3 point shooting but bulls would also give them problems with their post game in Pippen/MJ. The Spurs had the right idea in '17 when it came to Kawhi/LMA's post ups against the Warriors. Warriors had no way of defending it. It was pretty effective up until Zaza derailed the strategy. You have to factor in how the refs calling touch fouls today would also favor MJ/Pippen since both of them would be getting a lot of freethrows.

On a side note it's kind of depressing making references to the old Kawhi Spur teams in this argument just goes to show that retard and his uncle cost the Spurs a chance at winning another title.


Agree.

[BSfromTX]

Step out of the two party paradigm and quit falling for all the bullshit . Fascism, socialism, communism, etc, it’s all “collectivism”. As opposed to individualism, which this country tried desperately to preserve in its beginning. Both sides of the isle are dutifully leading us further and further away from individualism and our constitution.

They have y’all arguing over minutia. No need to look at illegals, welfare, business men, it’s the international banking cabal that is raping us and almost every other country. It’s essentially predatory lending and money creation that has bankrupt our country along with all the whore politicians that sold us out... and trump is no different than the previous presidents. He says a few politically incorrect statements and everyone thinks he is antiestablishment. The media (bought and payed for) will never ask any exposing questions, just the ones meant to fan the flames that support the two party system

seriously, we are all on the same team once you begin to see the bigger picture

[Seventyniner]

Pops!!!!

Sam Amico @AmicoHoops

(https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops) 1m (https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/1027035261874724865)
Former pro basketball journeyman Pops Mensah-Bonsu named GM of #Wizards (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Wizards)’ new G-League affiliate, the Capital City Go-Go. #NBA (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NBA) amicohoops.net/mensah-bonsu-n… (https://t.co/5rWsZzOJWT)

I hope his first move is to fire whoever came up with that god awful team name.

[8FOR!3]

Pops Mensah-Bonsu's real name is Nana Papa Yaw Dwene Mensah-Bonsu holy crap lol

[BatManu20]

When did Captain Jack become such an annoying faggot tbh? Dude’s done nothing but piss & moan since the Spurs axed him.


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[RD2191]

When did Captain Jack become such an annoying faggot tbh? Dude’s done nothing but piss & moan since the Spurs axed him.


1027230603719004160

SJax really needs to let it go. :lol

[daslicer]

When did Captain Jack become such an annoying faggot tbh? Dude’s done nothing but piss & moan since the Spurs axed him.


1027230603719004160

He's going to hate the Spurs until the day he dies. It's very unfortunate this dumb niggar has been given a media platform to spew all of his hate for the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

He's going to hate the Spurs until the day he dies. It's very unfortunate this dumb niggar has been given a media platform to spew all of his hate for the Spurs.

If there is anyone dumb here its you. Keep it up and you will be banned.

[daslicer]

If there is anyone dumb here its you. Keep it up and you will be banned.

:lol I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. If you don't like what I say just put me on ignore. I'll say it again Stephen Jackson is a dumb niggar.

[RD2191]

If there is anyone dumb here its you. Keep it up and you will be banned.

Crofl. Ban deez nuts.

[DJR210]

When did Captain Jack become such an annoying faggot tbh? Dude’s done nothing but piss & moan since the Spurs axed him.


1027230603719004160

I used to be a huge fan of Stephen Jackson.. Dude is one bitter little bitch. He really in his mind believes he was HOF caliber talent that was wronged in 2012. He takes every chance to slug up the Spurs (except Tim he knows better)

[Leetonidas]

Stephen Jackson is a clown. Dude was garbage when he came back. Yeah he hit six threes against okc but did he forget he completely disappeared in the second half? Fuck this dumb mofo. 2003 was a long time ago Jack no one gives a shit about you anymore

[cd98]

Jackson is all over the place. The Spurs are a classy organization and Pop is the best to they mishandled Kawhi and Rudy is going to feel different once he gets yanked for shooting a bad shot and the Spurs are really just good at hiding that they aren't one of the best organizations. One minute Jackson thinks he's better than Manu, the next, Manu is the best teammate ever. This guy's opinions are contradictory and make no sense, and it's obvious they are there to mask a resentment he has towards the Spurs.

Forgotten in his rant is that he took less money to leave the Spurs last time (Spurs made him an offer, he rejected it, and the only money he could find was less than what the Spurs offered...in other words, no market for him). Notice he was never on a title contender once he left the Spurs? And notice that when he came back, he immediately thought that he was better than Manu because he made a few uncontested threes in one game. Skill and talent alone, he's not worthy of being in the same sentence as Manu. But even though the Spurs would choose Manu over him 100x on skill alone, Manu is also also not crazy like Jackson, i.e. he didn't jump into stands to fight fans or get arrested or have off court issues or smoke pot right before games. Manu never had a problem with a teammate other than Jackson...and Jackson still said that he was one of the best teammates.

I don't really care about Jackson, I'm just surprised someone sticks a microphone in front of his face and thinks he has any legitimacy.

[daslicer]

Jackson is all over the place. The Spurs are a classy organization and Pop is the best to they mishandled Kawhi and Rudy is going to feel different once he gets yanked for shooting a bad shot and the Spurs are really just good at hiding that they aren't one of the best organizations. One minute Jackson thinks he's better than Manu, the next, Manu is the best teammate ever. This guy's opinions are contradictory and make no sense, and it's obvious they are there to mask a resentment he has towards the Spurs.

Forgotten in his rant is that he took less money to leave the Spurs last time (Spurs made him an offer, he rejected it, and the only money he could find was less than what the Spurs offered...in other words, no market for him). Notice he was never on a title contender once he left the Spurs? And notice that when he came back, he immediately thought that he was better than Manu because he made a few uncontested threes in one game. Skill and talent alone, he's not worthy of being in the same sentence as Manu. But even though the Spurs would choose Manu over him 100x on skill alone, Manu is also also not crazy like Jackson, i.e. he didn't jump into stands to fight fans or get arrested or have off court issues or smoke pot right before games. Manu never had a problem with a teammate other than Jackson...and Jackson still said that he was one of the best teammates.

I don't really care about Jackson, I'm just surprised someone sticks a microphone in front of his face and thinks he has any legitimacy.

It's not even about legitimacy when it comes to him. He's a shock jock which is what ESPN and Fox Sports are looking for on these shows.

[cd98]

And what's wrong with a player wanting to leave if a team can trade him on a dime? Because the team has a contractual right to do so and the player does not have a contractual right. That's the deal if you want guaranteed contracts, unlike the NFL. You are expected to honor your word, especially with 18 million attached to your signature.

Trades were always a part of the game. Lebron didn't change the rules except that he did one year contracts and was a free agent. If Kawhi wanted to leave, do it as a free agent. Sign one year deals like Lebron. Whining to get out of a city isn't new, but Kawhi took it to a new level and deserves the public opinion that squarely went against him and in favor of the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

:lol I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. If you don't like what I say just put me on ignore. I'll say it again Stephen Jackson is a dumb niggar.

Damn you are super edgy and cool. You will be on more than ignore and it will ruin your life :lol Since you obviously love posting edgy stuff on the internet. Taking that away from you will probably ruin your life.

*In before the “ban me I don’t care” even though you continue to post here

[daslicer]

And what's wrong with a player wanting to leave if a team can trade him on a dime? Because the team has a contractual right to do so and the player does not have a contractual right. That's the deal if you want guaranteed contracts, unlike the NFL. You are expected to honor your word, especially with 18 million attached to your signature.

Trades were always a part of the game. Lebron didn't change the rules except that he did one year contracts and was a free agent. If Kawhi wanted to leave, do it as a free agent. Sign one year deals like Lebron. Whining to get out of a city isn't new, but Kawhi took it to a new level and deserves the public opinion that squarely went against him and in favor of the Spurs.

Agreed. I have never had any problems with players leaving their teams through FA. That is their right but like you said when you sign a contract I expect you to play until the contract expires.

[daslicer]

Damn you are super edgy and cool. You will be on more than ignore and it will ruin your life :lol Since you obviously love posting edgy stuff on the internet. Taking that away from you will probably ruin your life.

*In before the “ban me I don’t care” even though you continue to post here

:lol Wow I'm just surprised by your epic meltdown.

[DPG21920]

:lol Wow I'm just surprised by your epic meltdown.

*Racist on the internet
*Uses super internet catchphrase like “epic meltdown”

I am 100% certain I would hate you in real life.

[daslicer]

*Racist on the internet
*Uses super internet catchphrase like “epic meltdown”

I am 100% certain I would hate you in real life.

TBH I'm equal opportunity when it comes to the word niggar. I believe that word applies to all races of people. :lol If you saw me in real life you would probably like me and never suspect me of using that word. I know it would shock you but I'm actually anti-Trump.

[DPG21920]

TBH I'm equal opportunity when it comes to the word niggar. I believe that word applies to all races of people. :lol If you saw me in real life you would probably like me and never suspect me of using that word. I know it would shock you but I'm actually anti-Trump.

So why would you use it online then? I mean, just because other people are idiots doesn’t mean you have to be. I really won’t ever understand it especially in todays climate.

[monkeypunk]

:lol I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. If you don't like what I say just put me on ignore. I'll say it again Stephen Jackson is a dumb niggar.

I know lots of posters here flirt with variations of the n-word but this ain't cool at all. You need to get your ass banned.

[YGWHI]

I know lots of posters here flirt with variations of the n-word but this ain't cool at all.

This needs a context. People was talking about a black player, then used that word.

Don't wanna become this into some racial thing but couldn't agree more with you, using some words against black people isn't cool and it should change here.

[BillMc]

SJax really needs to let it go. :lol

Yeah, I thought long-term pot use made you mellow? :lol

He's more like a washed-up coke head.

[daslicer]

This needs a context. People was talking about a black player, then used that word.

Don't wanna become this into some racial thing but couldn't agree more with you, using some words against black people isn't cool and it should change here.

Some black people deserve to be called niggar just like some white people deserved to be called it to. For example Trump is a niggar but so is Kawhi and his Uncle. That's just the way I view it. Nothing is ever going to change my mind about it. I don't believe in that bs only black people can use that word. In my eyes it's either nobody can use that word or everybody gets to use it. There is no in between.

[YGWHI]

Some black people deserve to be called niggar just like some white people deserved to be called it to. For example Trump is a niggar but so is Kawhi and his Uncle. That's just the way I view it. Nothing is ever going to change my mind about it. I don't believe in that bs only black people can use that word. In my eyes it's either nobody can use that word or everybody gets to use it. There is no in between.

The only issue is that we don't hear that white people is called niggar as an insult very often...

Anyway, I've said I don't wanna argue about this, ST is a sport forum, we just need to keep it civil and talk about the Spurs.

I LOVE Melo-Rockets deal. He ruined OKC season last year and now, Spurs' getting 2nd seed is possible. No one team would be succcessful with Melo in playoffs, the Spurs won't lose against a D'Antoni +Melo team in postseason.

[bklynspursfan]

Some black people deserve to be called niggar just like some white people deserved to be called it to. For example Trump is a niggar but so is Kawhi and his Uncle. That's just the way I view it. Nothing is ever going to change my mind about it. I don't believe in that bs only black people can use that word. In my eyes it's either nobody can use that word or everybody gets to use it. There is no in between.

That's definitely the *brave* thing to do huh? use it anonymously on the internet. That shit ain't flying in person with most people..

[DPG21920]

There are just a lot of stupid inconsiderate people in this world unfortunately.

[daslicer]

That's definitely the *brave* thing to do huh? use it anonymously on the internet. That shit ain't flying in person with most people..

:lol Why would I risk losing my job in real life for using that word out in the public. You have gotta to be stupid in this day and age to use that word in public It's definitely a career killer.

[daslicer]

There are just a lot of stupid inconsiderate people in this world unfortunately.

Nah dude I just have more life experiences than you when it comes to dealing with difference races of people. I'm in my 30's but I have lived in white trash neighborhoods and ghetto black neighborhoods. I have encountered in my life despicable white people and black people. One thing I have learned is all races tend to have shitty rotten people. I actually don't believe one race of people is superior to another. I just believe all races have their cultural flaws which can make them detestable at times.

[BillMc]

White Eager to Make Most of Opportunity.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-White-eager-to-make-most-of-opportunity-13142010.php

[SpursDynasty85]

White Eager to Make Most of Opportunity.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-White-eager-to-make-most-of-opportunity-13142010.php

I really hope he gets at least 15 to 20 mpg this season.

[tonight...you]

Nah dude I just have more life experiences than you when it comes to dealing with difference races of people. I'm in my 30's but I have lived in white trash neighborhoods and ghetto black neighborhoods. I have encountered in my life despicable white people and black people. One thing I have learned is all races tend to have shitty rotten people. I actually don't believe one race of people is superior to another. I just believe all races have their cultural flaws which can make them detestable at times.
I'm sorry you have such generalistic thoughts towards races.
I've grown up with many walks of life and I'm older than you. I've seen great people and despicable people and it never really came down to race, but upbringing along with circumstance.

I hope you gain a better view of humans, in general. There are very good people out here, of all races, doing good for everyone.

[TimmyBuckets]

No way this moron only smokes weed. He's on some wackadoodle type shit. Or maybe he's legit mentally unstable idk. Jax is a worm. Plain and simple. I loved him on the Spurs, but to think he had an inkling of Manu or Tony's ability is ridiculous. He's been at the forefront of the Spurs drama since day one. Not one Spur has given him even a millisecond of thought. He constantly attempts to destroy the reputation of Spurs, while prefacing his ridiculous statements with, "Listen, I love Pop and the Spurs." Dude needs to stfu.



If there is anyone dumb here its you. Keep it up and you will be banned.

Seriously.

[tonight...you]

No way this moron only smokes weed. He's on some wackadoodle type shit. Or maybe he's legit mentally unstable idk. Jax is a worm. Plain and simple. I loved him on the Spurs, but to think he had an inkling of Manu or Tony's ability is ridiculous. He's been at the forefront of the Spurs drama since day one. Not one Spur has given him even a millisecond of thought. He constantly attempts to destroy the reputation of Spurs, while prefacing his ridiculous statements with, "Listen, I love Pop and the Spurs." Dude needs to stfu.


Seriously.
Alcohol is all it takes. Really. Weed and alcohol can make a weirdo out of anybody. Especially one with grudges they can't let go of.
Coke turns you into Conan. Well... good coke does.
Heroin turns you into a comatose.
LSD... you don't go on camera on LSD.

Probably he takes four, or five shots after a good toke, or two and hits the camera with a frame of reference in mind.

I've done it.

[gambit1990]

i've always hated melo but the rockets will be better than people are saying.

they lost luc but the rockets were on the verge of beating golden state with a broken down mbah a moute. the dude was awful that series.

they lost ariza but they're gonna try to trade anderson for a defensive type.

[DPG21920]

i've always hated melo but the rockets will be better than people are saying.

they lost luc but the rockets were on the verge of beating golden state with a broken down mbah a moute. the dude was awful that series.

they lost ariza but they're gonna try to trade anderson for a defensive type.

Who the hell is going to take Ryan Anderson unless HOU gives up something else?

[TimmyBuckets]

i've always hated melo but the rockets will be better than people are saying.

they lost luc but the rockets were on the verge of beating golden state with a broken down mbah a moute. the dude was awful that series.

they lost ariza but they're gonna try to trade anderson for a defensive type.

I think people are less focused on what they lost, and more on what they gained in Melo. Melo's performance with OKC is the reason why they are lower on HOU this year.

[gambit1990]

Who the hell is going to take Ryan Anderson unless HOU gives up something else?

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[tonight...you]

Who the hell is going to take Ryan Anderson unless HOU gives up something else?
His contract still toxic?

[tonight...you]

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Like Morey likes growing from within...
He's trying to gain leverage while totally willing to give up whatever young to get what he wants for the Now.
Everyone knows this.

[gambit1990]

I think people are less focused on what they lost, and more on what they gained in Melo. Melo's performance with OKC is the reason why they are lower on HOU this year.
understandable but people are overlooking the point god tbh. i'm a huge fan of westbrook and cp3 but they're definitely different players. cp3 will help melo out more.

[TimmyBuckets]

understandable but people are overlooking the point god tbh. i'm a huge fan of westbrook and cp3 but they're definitely different players. cp3 will help melo out more.

Good point.

[TD 21]

*Racist on the internet
*Uses super internet catchphrase like “epic meltdown”

I am 100% certain I would hate you in real life.

:lmao :tu




Some black people deserve to be called niggar just like some white people deserved to be called it to. For example Trump is a niggar but so is Kawhi and his Uncle. That's just the way I view it. Nothing is ever going to change my mind about it. I don't believe in that bs only black people can use that word
. In my eyes it's either nobody can use that word or everybody gets to use it. There is no in between.

Always a sure fire way to confirm whether someone is racist or not.

[DPG21920]

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So exactly as I said. HOU would have to give up a pick or picks AND a good young player? Seems to me HOU is screwed either via giving up a lot to dump him or not going to be able to do it.

[DPG21920]

His contract still toxic?

Terrible. People complaining about Mills/Pau need to look at Ryan Anderson’s deal and production.

[daslicer]

:lmao :tu





Always a sure fire way to confirm whether someone is racist or not.

Call me a racist I don't care. I still feel the way I do about the word niggar and I won't stop using it. Just for fun what type of racist would I be since I'm anti-Trump and a registered Democrat?

[DPG21920]

understandable but people are overlooking the point god tbh. i'm a huge fan of westbrook and cp3 but they're definitely different players. cp3 will help melo out more.

HOU is still the 2nd best team in the West IMO with OKC being maybe right there, but HOU looks to be much worse on defense this year and that was a huge reason they made the leap last year was due to their defense.

But it’s all context; they should still be the 2nd seed. CP seems to miss games every year now though. He has to stay healthy this year.

[DPG21920]

Call me a racist I don't care. I still feel the way I do about the word niggar and I won't stop using it. Just for fun what type of racist would I be since I'm anti-Trump and a registered Democrat?

An idiot racist? This is how I know you don’t believe in what you say. If you saw nothing wrong with your take and were a smart and intelligent person then you would not be afraid to use the word in public. You should be able to adequately articulate your stance and convince people if it were logical and educated.

But you can’t. Instead you hide online.

[gambit1990]

So exactly as I said. HOU would have to give up a pick or picks AND a good young player? Seems to me HOU is screwed either via giving up a lot to dump him or not going to be able to do it.
i wasn't arguing that a team would help the rockets out for nothing, of course a compromise would have to be made.

just goes to show that the rockets can still get better for this window. if i were morey i'd definitely swap anderson + a pick or two for bazemore.

[TD 21]

Call me a racist I don't care. I still feel the way I do about the word niggar and I won't stop using it. Just for fun what type of racist would I be since I'm anti-Trump and a registered Democrat?

You'd be the typical in denial or delusional type, who think that A and B make C okay or gives you a free pass.

The reality is, the first thing that came to mind when you saw Jackson's usual ignorant comments, was his race, which makes you a racist.

[daslicer]

An idiot racist? This is how I know you don’t believe in what you say. If you saw nothing wrong with your take and were a smart and intelligent person then you would not be afraid to use the word in public. You should be able to adequately articulate your stance and convince people if it were logical and educated.

But you can’t. Instead you hide online.

Why would I risk losing my job over something as controversial as using that word? I would have to be very stupid to risk my career over it. That would be a stupid thing to do and you know it. If I was a rich multi-millionaire I would definitely love to have a public conversation about the word Niggar since I would not have to risk my financial livelihood over it.

By the way I'am a democrat. Go look up my arguments with Ducks in the past. I just don't give a shit about social and racial issues.

Anyways I view you as a dumb sheltered fuck whose probably lived his whole entire life in white neighborhoods but would never dare to live in black neighborhood but still claims not to be racist.

[BillMc]

Manu taking his time to make a decision. I'm getting pissed.

[daslicer]

You'd be the typical in denial or delusional type, who think that A and B make C okay or gives you a free pass.

The reality is, the first thing that came to mind when you saw Jackson's usual ignorant comments, was his race, which makes you a racist.

Yup I view Jax as dumb niggar. I used to not view him that way but he lived up to the stereotypes of being a niggar. I also view Cris Carter,Kawhi, Uncle Dennis as niggars because they created drama and problems that didn't need to exist . Call me a racist it's not going to change anything for my life and the way I live it.

[tonight...you]

Call me a racist I don't care. I still feel the way I do about the word niggar and I won't stop using it. Just for fun what type of racist would I be since I'm anti-Trump and a registered Democrat?
Are you spelling the N word incorrectly on purpose?

[daslicer]

Are you spelling the N word incorrectly on purpose?

Yes I'am simply because the actually word doesn't show up when I post it.

[TheGreatYacht]

Crofl. Ban deez nuts.
:lmao

[TimmyBuckets]

Manu taking his time to make a decision. I'm getting pissed.

[Dex]

Manu taking his time to make a decision. I'm getting pissed.

I have a feeling he has already decided and told the Spurs. It just hasn't been made public yet.

[SpursDynasty85]

Some black people deserve to be called niggar just like some white people deserved to be called it to. For example Trump is a niggar but so is Kawhi and his Uncle. That's just the way I view it. Nothing is ever going to change my mind about it. I don't believe in that bs only black people can use that word. In my eyes it's either nobody can use that word or everybody gets to use it. There is no in between.

Are you white? Better yet unless you are black your argument for using words like that is just wrong. Go do some real black history learning and then befriend some black people before you ever say words like that.

[DPG21920]

Why would I risk losing my job over something as controversial as using that word? I would have to be very stupid to risk my career over it. That would be a stupid thing to do and you know it. If I was a rich multi-millionaire I would definitely love to have a public conversation about the word Niggar since I would not have to risk my financial livelihood over it.

By the way I'am a democrat. Go look up my arguments with Ducks in the past. I just don't give a shit about social and racial issues.

Anyways I view you as a dumb sheltered fuck whose probably lived his whole entire life in white neighborhoods but would never dare to live in black neighborhood but still claims not to be racist.

You’re an idiot. You also don’t appear very well educated and your thought process is that of a child.

[SpursDynasty85]

I used to be a huge fan of Stephen Jackson.. Dude is one bitter little bitch. He really in his mind believes he was HOF caliber talent that was wronged in 2012. He takes every chance to slug up the Spurs (except Tim he knows better)

He is being paid to act this way. Just let him be and pay him not much attention. Same goes for Robert Horry.

[DPG21920]

:lol “not going to change my life or how I live it”. Your life is living online as a racist and being too scared and stupid to be who you really are in the real world.

Sick life!

[daslicer]

You’re an idiot. You also don’t appear very well educated and your thought process is that of a child.

:lol I don't appear educated because I disagree with your world views. That sounds like a childish response which would in return make it likely that you are not educated.

[DPG21920]

And it’s not just you. There are a lot of people on here that should mature and evolve. It’s not just the racism either. Constant use of the word f*ggot and other words.

I know Im not going to stop people from being idiots; that is an impossible task. But I can at least say something every once in a while.

[DPG21920]

:lol I don't appear educated because I disagree with your world views. That sounds like a childish response which would in return make it likely that you are not educated.

Not agreeing with my world views is like 10th on the list of why you sound uneducated :lol

[daslicer]

Are you white? Better yet unless you are black your argument for using words like that is just wrong. Go do some real black history learning and then befriend some black people before you ever say words like that.

I never reveal my racial identity online. That's one of the few things I don't give away but you can speculate what I'am.

[daslicer]

:lol “not going to change my life or how I live it”. Your life is living online as a racist and being too scared and stupid to be who you really are in the real world.

Sick life!

:lol The joke is on you since you are living online with me. Dude I have had more real world experiences then you will ever have since you are sheltered fuck. You have probably lived in a gated white neighborhood your whole entire life.

[SpursDynasty85]

I never reveal my racial identity online. That's one of the few things I don't give away but you can speculate what I'am.

No need to speculate. My comment says what it needed to.

[SpursDynasty85]

:lol The joke is on you since you are living online with me. Dude I have had more real world experiences then you will ever have since you are sheltered fuck. You have probably lived in a gated white neighborhood your whole entire life.

Dude you really are childish. Take this ish somewhere else.

[DPG21920]

:lol The joke is on you since you are living online with me. Dude I have had more real world experiences then you will ever have since you are sheltered fuck. You have probably lived in a gated white neighborhood your whole entire life.

This makes no sense at all and I’ve said what I wanted to say to you so it’s over.

[daslicer]

Dude you really are childish. Take this ish somewhere else.

Oh I ain't going nowhere. If you don't like what I have to say then put me on ignore.

[DPG21920]

:lol The joke is on you since you are living online with me. Dude I have had more real world experiences then you will ever have since you are sheltered fuck. You have probably lived in a gated white neighborhood your whole entire life.

Also, I never reveal the racial identity of my living situations online. That is one of the few things I don’t give away.

[daslicer]

Also, I never reveal the racial identity of my living situations online. That is one of the few things I don’t give away.

:lol Oh I see what you did. You tried to be clever but I have to say epic fail just like all of your other responses.

[Mr. Body]

I never reveal my racial identity online. That's one of the few things I don't give away but you can speculate what I'am.

You're not black like Barry White is, you're white like Frank Black is.

[daslicer]

You're not black like Barry White is, you're white like Frank Black is.

:lol

[SAGirl]

Manu taking his time to make a decision. I'm getting pissed.
Me too kinda. Even if he’s retiring and he’s entitled to it for sure he could have said it already...

[SAGirl]

I have a feeling he has already decided and told the Spurs. It just hasn't been made public yet.
It’s possible. You think he comes back I kinda remember that.

Could have said something to this effect already though. Although he’s been vacationing with his family and completely off basketball. I really wonder if he’s retiring instead bc he’s not going to be training or in great basketball shape at his age and it’s getting late to still be on vacation. He could still come in late though.... but it’s unlike him.

[tonight...you]

Me too kinda. Even if he’s retiring and he’s entitled to it for sure he could have said it already...
He gave me so many good memories, and some scorched-earth memories along the way also, that I give him the benefit of taking his time.
What is this team really missing, by giving him time to make his decision? Money? Cap space? Practice time?
Eh... He's a Spurs Titan and will have his number hanged up with the other numbers that made this tiny team much more significant and for many more years than it's deserved.

[SAGirl]

He gave me so many good memories, and some scorched-earth memories along the way also, that I give him the benefit of taking his time.
What is this team really missing, by giving him time to make his decision? Money? Cap space? Practice time?
Eh... He's a Spurs Titan and will have his number hanged up with the other numbers that made this tiny team much more significant and for many more years than it's deserved.
For sure but me as fan I am getting kinda impatient. You don’t think the man already knows what he wants to do?

[cutewizard]

Manu is Manu!

[cutewizard]

Except for GS, we have some sort of competitive balance in the West imho

[tonight...you]

For sure but me as fan I am getting kinda impatient. You don’t think the man already knows what he wants to do?
I don't.
And he deserves his time. If Pop gave him a timetable, then so be it. That's between them.
Our timetable can go to hell, as far as I'm concerned.

He's effing Manu. As a fan... of the team... and him... Respectfully...

[Leetonidas]

Manu is still under contract. I'ma laugh if he just shows up to training camp like nothing and never says anything beforehand :lol

[tonight...you]

Manu is still under contract. I'ma laugh if he just shows up to training camp like nothing and never says anything beforehand :lol
And sports braids...
Edit... on the back end of his Costanza hairline.

[cutewizard]

I miss Boris Diaw, lol

I think he can still ball, lol

:bobo

[Atl Spur]

:lol

Still being a clown....

[sasaint]

Me too kinda. Even if he’s retiring and he’s entitled to it for sure he could have said it already...

But don’t you think he has likely tipped his hand to PATFO even if he hasn’t made a public announcement? I thought Marco’s signing was the indication that Manu was gone. Now I am not so sure. Perhaps PATFO is trying to convince him to re-up...

[BatManu20]

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[YGWHI]

Who would have thought that Rudy would be that important on this team, his relationship with DeMar will help a lot to keep him comfortable in a new city.


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I wonder why Rudy doesn't @ SJax... :D

[BillMc]

Me too kinda. Even if he’s retiring and he’s entitled to it for sure he could have said it already...


I have a feeling he has already decided and told the Spurs. It just hasn't been made public yet.

Yeah. He might have told the Spurs. But we need someone to leak it to a media mouthpiece. Where's Chris Carter when you need him?

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F53vp7H0glU

[YGWHI]

I think people are less focused on what they lost, and more on what they gained in Melo. Melo's performance with OKC is the reason why they are lower on HOU this year.
No one team in the West will win a playoffs series with Melo playing...

"When Anthony was off the court, the Thunder stood a chance—in fact, OKC outscored the Jazz by 32 combined points in the series when Anthony was benched.

That was most notable in Game 5, when the team mounted a raucous 25-point comeback with Anthony mostly on the sideline.
But when Melo played, Oklahoma City was doomed, as the Jazz outscored the Thunder by a whopping 58 points.

He was a defensive liability, useless when switched onto quicker scorers (which happened virtually whenever Utah wanted).

And despite having a reputation as an offensive menace, he was brutal shooting the ball. On 3-point shots that NBA.com classifies as “open” or “wide-open,” Anthony was 6-of-26"


https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/1/17308112/carmelo-anthony-oklahoma-city-thunder-playoff-legacy

[SpursDynasty85]

No one team in the West will win a playoffs series with Melo playing...

"When Anthony was off the court, the Thunder stood a chance—in fact, OKC outscored the Jazz by 32 combined points in the series when Anthony was benched.

That was most notable in Game 5, when the team mounted a raucous 25-point comeback with Anthony mostly on the sideline.
But when Melo played, Oklahoma City was doomed, as the Jazz outscored the Thunder by a whopping 58 points.

He was a defensive liability, useless when switched onto quicker scorers (which happened virtually whenever Utah wanted).

And despite having a reputation as an offensive menace, he was brutal shooting the ball. On 3-point shots that NBA.com classifies as “open” or “wide-open,” Anthony was 6-of-26"


https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/1/17308112/carmelo-anthony-oklahoma-city-thunder-playoff-legacy

To be fair going from playing with Westbrook to playing with CP3 might actually be the right change of scenery. They are very close friends as well.

[BatManu20]

Which one of you this is tbh.

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[cutewizard]

Hmmmm

[YGWHI]

Which one of you this is tbh.

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:lol

[YGWHI]

To be fair going from playing with Westbrook to playing with CP3 might actually be the right change of scenery. They are very close friends as well.

Yes, chemistry will be better with CP3 than Russ but Harden will be there, too. Melo has been a NET negative player in last years I doubt his new teammates and coach could can change it...We'll see.

[Trill Clinton]

Which one of you this is tbh.

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http://i64.tinypic.com/i5srhu.jpg

[TimmyBuckets]

Who would have thought that Rudy would be that important on this team, his relationship with DeMar will help a lot to keep him comfortable in a new city.


I wonder why Rudy doesn't @ SJax... :D

Obvious why. He responded to jax and doesn't want to @ a guy who'll probably keep harassing and responding with nonsense.

[YGWHI]

Obvious why. He responded to jax and doesn't want to @ a guy who'll probably keep harassing and responding with nonsense.

I already knew why he didn't want to @ SJax...That's why the blue font, bro.

[TimmyBuckets]

I already knew why he didn't want to @ SJax...That's why the blue font, bro.

lol didn't get it

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/018/467/1355331549061.jpg

[YGWHI]

lol didn't get it

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/018/467/1355331549061.jpg

:lol

We're cool...After Kawhi's letter in blue font, I guess we shouldn't use it anymore here :lol

[bklynspursfan]

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[Dex]

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https://78.media.tumblr.com/f8d306007614d5c2bdddd86fdfbc94e0/tumblr_nna5xeJO681t9sksvo1_400.gif

[bklynspursfan]

Plenty of time to be up to speed

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[ace3g]

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[Seventyniner]

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Weird, with Brandon Paul gone I expected Beli to take #3 again.

[ace3g]

Also weird - Spurs.com gave Metu a number even though he hasn't officially signed.

[hooperflash]

Weird, with Brandon Paul gone I expected Beli to take #3 again.
I guess it's just time for the #3 to take a breather, am I right? :lol

[HWoodNixon]

Thank god bp3 is gone!!!

[jermaine]

Also weird - Spurs.com gave Metu a number even though he hasn't officially signed.

Metu will def be signed. That dude is raw, but he's has a damn good motor an a nose for the ball.

[dbestpro]

Metu will def be signed. That dude is raw, but he's has a damn good motor an a nose for the ball.

Reminds me of a shorter Ian Mahinmi.

[SpursDynasty85]

Reminds me of a shorter Ian Mahinmi.

Except much more coordinated.

[ace3g]

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[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/TheCrossover/status/1027954480883613697

[ace3g]

Duncan was at the 2018 Sun Stroke Hoop Classic

The exhibition will be held Saturday night at the University of the Virgin Islands’ Sports and Fitness Center on St. Thomas, beginning at 7:30 p.m.

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[Ron Swanson]

Damn, I miss the GOAT.

[BillMc]

Damn, I miss the GOAT.

+1 billion

[BillMc]

https://twitter.com/TheCrossover/status/1027954480883613697

Why does everyone forget White? Hell, I want to see him get time more than Lonnie

[Lukawhi]

Damn, I miss the GOAT.

+1

[anon]

Goddamn, is TD starting to look his age. This realization depresses me more than anything.

[8FOR!3]

Tim looks like he's in good shape but he does seem to have aged a lot especially for a 42 y.o. I guess all that traveling and etc. can take a toll.

[kjhip1]

Miss watching Timmy on rolls to the basket and his passes from post. Never be another like him in Spurs uniform

[Duncan87]

Jamal Crawford at SA airport. Sorry no pics

[sasaint]

Why does everyone forget White? Hell, I want to see him get time more than Lonnie

Yep, me, too. But Pop has hitched his wagon to Murray. White is looking more and more like a trade asset even though he is the best natural PG prospect on the roster.

[dbestpro]

White can be the SG aka Dumars.

[sasaint]

White can be the SG aka Dumars.

Makes no sense to put the guy with better handles, court vision and passing skill at SG while forcing a guy who lacks those skills into the PG.

[SpursDynasty85]

Makes no sense to put the guy with better handles, court vision and passing skill at SG while forcing a guy who lacks those skills into the PG.

Worked for AI in Philly. Eric Snow was only in their for defense. The point is White and Dejojnte would compliment each other well just like Mills. But White is taller and can switch off better with Murray than Mills.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

:pop: "Jamal Crawford, How would you like to be our starting Small Forward?"

[sasaint]

Worked for AI in Philly. Eric Snow was only in their for defense. The point is White and Dejojnte would compliment each other well just like Mills. But White is taller and can switch off better with Murray than Mills.

AI never won squat in Philly.

[SpursDynasty85]

AI never won squat in Philly.

He had the worst supporting cast I've ever seen. Not that he was the best teammate and passer but what he did in 2001, was amazing.

Secondly, my second point still stands. White and Murray both compliment each other well with Murray having better potential as a penetrator. White is injury prone and not very quick. White is a combo guard who probably settles as a playmaking 2 guard. He is not quick enough to penetrate consistently nor is he quick enough to guard the elite footed pgs.

[Emperor]

Jamal Crawford at SA airport. Sorry no pics

It's Happening gif

[sasaint]

He had the worst supporting cast I've ever seen. Not that he was the best teammate and passer but what he did in 2001, was amazing.

Secondly, my second point still stands. White and Murray both compliment each other well with Murray having better potential as a penetrator. White is injury prone and not very quick. White is a combo guard who probably settles as a playmaking 2 guard. He is not quick enough to penetrate consistently nor is he quick enough to guard the elite footed pgs.

I agree that they have the potential to complement one another very well, but I want to see the PG responsibility going to the guy with the better handles, court vision and passing ability. Your argument is primarily defense-related; just cross-defend.

[szkorhetz]

Jamal Crawford at SA airport. Sorry no pics
I like him for 15 minutes a game, but would make no sense, with us already having a ton of guard and no true SF's.

[Duncan87]

2 40year olds. Hard Pass

[Leetonidas]

Jamal Crawford at SA airport. Sorry no pics

:vomit:

[SpursDynasty85]

I agree that they have the potential to complement one another very well, but I want to see the PG responsibility going to the guy with the better handles, court vision and passing ability. Your argument is primarily defense-related; just cross-defend.

Not just defense related. White would likely struggle to get to the paint and he seems injury prone. Two reasons to have him play more on the perimeter than pound the rock like a Spurs pg is supposed to do. Not to mention where do you put Murray then? You want to put the guy with the worst jump shot at sg? Better to put the combo guard (White) there in the mean time. Pg might turn out to be his desired and most effective position but it doesn't maximize our team's potential.

[Duncan87]

Hilliard gone per hoopshype twitter to Baskonia. Trash excited for to new TALENTED 2 wayplayaz

[Duncan87]

Source Nikos Varlas

[BackHome]

So we have no one signed as of yet to a two way contract?

[sasaint]

Not just defense related. White would likely struggle to get to the paint and he seems injury prone. Two reasons to have him play more on the perimeter than pound the rock like a Spurs pg is supposed to do. Not to mention where do you put Murray then? You want to put the guy with the worst jump shot at sg? Better to put the combo guard (White) there in the mean time. Pg might turn out to be his desired and most effective position but it doesn't maximize our team's potential.

After one season in the G League it seems a bit premature to pronounce White as injury prone. But back to Murray: as a shooting guard he would need to concentrate on developing only one skill - shooting; as opposed to PG where he needs to develop the entire suite of PG skills. Might help Spurs in the short run, but shackle them with a PG who will never have the court vision to be as effective at that position as we need. I like Murray's talk, but I have serious doubts about his walk.

[cool cat]

I saw Bryn Forbes at the Magik theatre with his two boys watching Madagascar Live.

[SpursDynasty85]

After one season in the G League it seems a bit premature to pronounce White as injury prone. But back to Murray: as a shooting guard he would need to concentrate on developing only one skill - shooting; as opposed to PG where he needs to develop the entire suite of PG skills. Might help Spurs in the short run, but shackle them with a PG who will never have the court vision to be as effective at that position as we need. I like Murray's talk, but I have serious doubts about his walk.

Cool. I get your point but I still argue Derrick White doesn't need to start at pg to be effective as a ball handler. Just like TP started but took a back seat to the ball handling once Manu came in Derrick White can thrive at the playmaking guard position (manu's role). Who cares about positions? If White is good as you think he will have the ball in his hands regardless. The reason I think Pop wants Murray at pg is his mentality to want to get to the basket.

[playbonner15]

So Murray + White can be the next Tony + Manu? Hmm would love to see the duo on the court first but if White is a decent defender with playmaking skills, he will be a good combo with Murray

[sasaint]

Cool. I get your point but I still argue Derrick White doesn't need to start at pg to be effective as a ball handler. Just like TP started but took a back seat to the ball handling once Manu came in Derrick White can thrive at the playmaking guard position (manu's role). Who cares about positions? If White is good as you think he will have the ball in his hands regardless. The reason I think Pop wants Murray at pg is his mentality to want to get to the basket.

Nobody cares about position - especially today. PG and SG are still handy labels. However you want to label them, White has shown more court vision and passing skill thus far. Consequently I would rather see him with the ball more. If you are trying to replicate Tony/Manu with Murray/White, my reply is that it would seem much easier to let White be White and try to remake Murray in the image of Danny Green. Danny couldn't shoot when he first entered the league, either. The other, more positive, comparisons seem pretty clear.

[tonight...you]

I saw Bryn Forbes at the Magik theatre with his two boys watching Madagascar Live.
That's cool. I just came back from watching La Veganza De Pancho Villa with a live string quartet playing the score.
He dieded at the End. Shot. Lots of times. Many bullets. Lots of dust everywhere.

Those chicks could play some strings though!

[cutewizard]

Spurs shall win the NBA title.......

[TDMVPDPOY]

why not some jimmer for the minimum, im sure he take peanuts atm just for another shot at returning

[SpursDynasty85]

Nobody cares about position - especially today. PG and SG are still handy labels. However you want to label them, White has shown more court vision and passing skill thus far. Consequently I would rather see him with the ball more. If you are trying to replicate Tony/Manu with Murray/White, my reply is that it would seem much easier to let White be White and try to remake Murray in the image of Danny Green. Danny couldn't shoot when he first entered the league, either. The other, more positive, comparisons seem pretty clear.

Hahaha. You had me up until you wanted Murray to be Danny Green. Green played the same way he did in college. 3 and D. He just worked on it more which shows he was comfortable at it. Murray has a ton of more star potential than Danny Green. What are you smoking? Murray's skill of attacking finishing and playmaking is way ahead of Danny Green already. Would be a waste of potential and I'm sure a devastating thing to hear from your coach that he wants you to play like Danny Green when Murray resembles nothing like him. Murray is a slightly more athletic Jamal Crawford but less shooting.

[dbestpro]

White has done nothing at the NBA level tbh, and you would be just as likely arguing for Murray should their roles reversed because they G league tends to make you think players are better than they really are.

[BackHome]

Geez can we fucking stop the fan boy pussy shit? Serious shit is getting old yeah both guys can play and both will have a good year. I see both having the ball in their hands and can see kinda the Manu and Tony thing develop so looking forward to see both of them balling

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Ballislife/status/1028644827444006912

[cutewizard]

Duncan rules.....

[Coach X]

So Murray + White can be the next Tony + Manu? Hmm would love to see the duo on the court first but if White is a decent defender with playmaking skills, he will be a good combo with Murray
There won't be another Tony+Manu as there won't be another Duncan, sadly. You can't replicate the unique.

Walker might be special at the SG as Murray might be special at PG. I'd say White probably will be a good NBA role player. All of them in their own style, hopefully, they can work together the same amazing way Tony and Manu did. At the moment they need to practice, learn and improve and we just can observe, cheer and comment. Patience.

[YGWHI]

https://twitter.com/Ballislife/status/1028644827444006912
Nice! :tu

[sasaint]

Hahaha. You had me up until you wanted Murray to be Danny Green. Green played the same way he did in college. 3 and D. He just worked on it more which shows he was comfortable at it. Murray has a ton of more star potential than Danny Green. What are you smoking? Murray's skill of attacking finishing and playmaking is way ahead of Danny Green already. Would be a waste of potential and I'm sure a devastating thing to hear from your coach that he wants you to play like Danny Green when Murray resembles nothing like him. Murray is a slightly more athletic Jamal Crawford but less shooting.

Danny had to work hard to develop a good 3-point shot after he washed out with Cleveland. But you are right, Murray has more ability to attack the rim. My suggestion was really based on defense. My point is that by developing a three ball, he could become a 3 and D guy - with an expanded arsenal beyond just a three ball. He stands a better chance of becoming a Danny-plus than becoming a Tony.

[monkeypunk]

https://twitter.com/Ballislife/status/1028644827444006912

Makes me a little weepy seeing him on the court again.

He could still make a difference playing and in the locker room. You know he would rather be on the court, his knees must hurt like hell.

[Dex]

Makes me a little weepy seeing him on the court again.

He could still make a difference playing and in the locker room. You know he would rather be on the court, his knees must hurt like hell.

Yep. There is also a big difference between trying to grind through a full season, going at full NBA speed, and playing in a glorified pickup game.

Still have no doubt that if he laced them up for a game, he'd go out there and get 10 and 5 easy.

[spursparker9]

Did Tim look younger and slimmer?

[Emperor]

Did Tim look younger and slimmer?

Nah, older but slimmer.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/kmurphyvisports/status/1028432417638559747

[NASpurs]

Dunno if this has been posted

https://twitter.com/Baskonia/status/1028929938039160833

[BackHome]

So both our two way contract are available as Hillard and Castillo are both gone. Got to expect that Metu will get one and hopefully we find a SF who has some promise.

[TD 21]

Yep, me, too. But Pop has hitched his wagon to Murray. White is looking more and more like a trade asset even though he is the best natural PG prospect on the roster.

White is the Ginobili replacement. And if Murray and him become good enough to warrant typical starter minutes, he can easily play some alongside him.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1029568176672129026

[Chinook]

So both our two way contract are available as Hillard and Castillo are both gone. Got to expect that Metu will get one and hopefully we find a SF who has some promise.

Spurs still have a 15th slot too, I think. I'd be an explicit competition between at least two candidates where the winner gets the roster spot and the loser gets the two-way deal.

[BackHome]

I believe your correct I am hoping they invite a couple of SF to camp and the best one takes that spot. I know we have two foreign SF players who might be invited to camp other then those two not sure of another SF who we would invite. Not sure about Metu since he broke his wrist it sounds like they want him to go slow way G League but will see in camp.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Eurohoopsnet/status/1029767583199887361

[Fusternino]

I thought that if we brought in one of our 2nd round picks (Metu, Blossomgame) to camp and then we don't sign them then we lose their rights?

Still in favor of picking up Quincy Acy, tbh.

[Robz4000]

https://twitter.com/Eurohoopsnet/status/1029767583199887361

Wait, did Pop shave?

[YGWHI]

Wait, did Pop shave?

:lobt2:

About damn time, Pop! This team just needed it to start winning big again.

[cutewizard]

Hahaha on Pop

[dbestpro]

Yep. There is also a big difference between trying to grind through a full season, going at full NBA speed, and playing in a glorified pickup game.

Still have no doubt that if he laced them up for a game, he'd go out there and get 10 and 5 easy.

I have always felt that if you have to use the word grind to relate to playing basketball, then as a player you just do not love the game enough.