Spurs 2018 offseason thread

[dbestpro]

Hopefully there's a trade in the works to clear room. Doubtful but still...

Blossom is there to give the main players some competition during practice. Do not expect him to make the team.

[Ron Swanson]

Is that his new number? Or his twin brother Tommy?? :spin

That’s his brother, Shecky Duncan.

[Pavlov]

Blossom is there to give the main players some competition during practice. Do not expect him to make the team.He's there to get waived so other teams can call him up from the G-League. At least that's the most likely result.

[phxspurfan]

https://twitter.com/nemomocha/status/1042819720972513280

TD still in good shape, putting us all to shame

[TheRemix]

Is that his new number? Or his twin brother Tommy?? :spin

No thats Jim Duncan

[BillMc]

https://twitter.com/nemomocha/status/1042819720972513280

Man I hope that 93 kid makes the team.

[Fusternino]

So we're up to 5 training camp invites and 1 two-way contract so far? Losing count here . . .

[ceperez]

So we're up to 5 training camp invites and 1 two-way contract so far? Losing count here . . .

Right now 20 players signed.

Non-guaranteed.... 15 - Pondexter
Heustis, Eubanks (two-way), O. White, Hanlan, Blossomgame

[tonight...you]

Man I hope that 93 kid makes the team.
Two way contract. Looks stiff. Probably not able able to defend on the perimeter and SKINNY!!!
Needs to add some meat on them ribs.

Probably going to end up in Europe.

Scrub.

[RD2191]

So what's going to happen with the wolves? Apparently thibs is telling folks Jimmy ain't going nowhere yet the higher ups are saying he's available. Something's gotta give.

[sasaint]

So what's going to happen with the wolves? Apparently thibs is telling folks Jimmy ain't going nowhere yet the higher ups are saying he's available. Something's gotta give.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the FO axe Thibs and bring in a new HC to trade Jimmy. They aren't moving KAT.

[Spurs da champs]

So what's going to happen with the wolves? Apparently thibs is telling folks Jimmy ain't going nowhere yet the higher ups are saying he's available. Something's gotta give.

Not just higher ups but the owner himself. Taylor needs to fire Thibbs and get what you can for Butler. Thibbs ain't good for them.

[RD2191]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the FO axe Thibs and bring in a new HC to trade Jimmy. They aren't moving KAT.

Yup. Looking like thibs is going to get the axe.

[RD2191]

Not just higher ups but the owner himself. Taylor needs to fire Thibbs and get what you can for Butler. Thibbs ain't good for them.

Dude is definitely overrated. Still a shit situation for him to be in though. :lol

[Fusternino]

Thibs, Doc Rivers, Scott Brooks . . . all lucky to have had the teams they've had.

[playbonner15]

Thibs still trying to bring back the gang :lol

[Chillen]

Thibs is an overrated coach but he is sometimes brillant, he was good his first year as Chicago Bulls head coach (62-10 season, lost in ECF to Heat) but since he has been just an excellent to sometimes average head coach. Good knowledge of the game, smart coach but not good with the players and handling personalitys apparently. It would be good for him to get the axe with T-wolves because odds are Lakers are going to be looking for a new head coach in a few months lol. Thibs with Lakers works imo not this T-wolves team though, this is turning into the TimberBulls.

He can be a good NBA coach and has proven that but in the NBA it's about fit and he is not a good fit with the T-Wolves. He would fit in with the Lakers as head coach if they axe Luke.

[BillMc]

Two way contract. Looks stiff. Probably not able able to defend on the perimeter and SKINNY!!!
Needs to add some meat on them ribs.

Probably going to end up in Europe.

Scrub.
:lol

[phxspurfan]

Thibs losing the team over there. Which is probably fine bc if he stays who tf wants to Coach Towns and Wiggins. Those bums like illegitimate Dwight Howard kids


I still remember we kicked the Wolves' ass in SA opening night last year too. And the only player who looked remotely decent was Butler.

[KDKSpurs24]

Thibs losing the team over there. Which is probably fine bc if he stays who tf wants to Coach Towns and Wiggins. Those bums like illegitimate Dwight Howard kids


I still remember we kicked the Wolves' ass in SA opening night last year too. And the only player who looked remotely decent was Butler.
I think someone like Mark Jackson would be one of the few coaches who could (or would want to) deal with it.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1043662315038683136

[RD2191]

Damn, how salty is Jimmy Butler right now? :lol

[sasaint]

Damn, how salty is Jimmy Butler right now? :lol

But not for long. He is as good as gone. Wouldn’t be surprised if it happened by Monday.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Tpups had no choice but to extend him but man you think they would learn from the KG debacle. That franchise is screwed in 8th seed mode for the foreseeable future. Another loser big man making too much of their cap

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1043662315038683136

Jimmy Butler is pretty overrated, to me, but KAT is waaaaaaaaaay overrated. I don't trust Calipari players in general, with a couple exceptions. They are lazy players who never improve much and now Minnesota has tons of cap room stuck to Towns and Wiggins. They're screwed.

[phxspurfan]

I don't trust Calipari players in general

I guess you added the couple exceptions thing to CYA, but there are some very successful / great pro players who have played for Calipari.

Devin Booker
Anthony Davis
Julius Randle
Enes Kanter
Brandon Knight
John Wall
DeMarcus Cousins
Eric Bledsoe
Tyreke Evans
Derrick Rose
Marcus Camby

To name a few. Few coaches can say they put that many good to great players into the pro leagues

[cd021]

Jimmy Butler is pretty overrated, to me, but KAT is waaaaaaaaaay overrated. I don't trust Calipari players in general, with a couple exceptions. They are lazy players who never improve much and now Minnesota has tons of cap room stuck to Towns and Wiggins. They're screwed.

Towns is 22, hasn't missed a game in his NBA career and just averaged 21 and 12. You'd rather have a player of his caliber than not. The skyrocketing cap will offset some of the risk involved (the cap is supposed to jump to $120 million a year after his deal kicks in, jumping $18 million in two years)

Wiggins deal is rough but it's movable, assuming that they don't expect too much back for him.

Dieng's deal is awful, they'd be good to try and unload him in a Butler deal.

[TDMVPDPOY]

how about trade pau+filler to get butler and whatever in return

then sign duncan to minimum...

[mo7888]

how about trade pau+filler to get butler and whatever in return

then sign duncan to minimum...

I'm on the record as not being really enamored with butler and wouldn't give up a ton for him but, the dysfunction and apparent bad blood between the owner and Thibs may be driving the price way down. It's hard to see minny getting a real return for him the way this is going down. I think patfo owes it to themselves to probe a deal centered around Pau and mills and a pick just to see how low the price is dropping.

[playbonner15]

So does this mean Thibs is also gonna get fired soon?

[Dex]

So does this mean Thibs is also gonna get fired soon?

If Thibs doesn't get fired for this, then he definitely is holding on to some compromising pictures of the owner or something.

[John B]

I'm on the record as not being really enamored with butler and wouldn't give up a ton for him but, the dysfunction and apparent bad blood between the owner and Thibs may be driving the price way down. It's hard to see minny getting a real return for him the way this is going down. I think patfo owes it to themselves to probe a deal centered around Pau and mills and a pick just to see how low the price is dropping.
It’s a shot at the moon, but this happens, Spurs could go really deep. DJ, Demar, Butler, Bertran, LMA

[RD2191]

Man, Jimmy really makes sense for a win now team like the Spurs. Unlike others I'm not really high on DJ or Walker but I'd still hate to lose young prospects for a 1 year rental.

[CGD]

I’d pay that Tornto pick and salary relief for a 1 year Jimmy rental.

[Fusternino]

Moving towards the deadline I'd do Mills/Bertans and both picks for Butler and Bates-Diop.

[Leetonidas]

After last year I'm surprised any spurs fans are willing to trade for a cancerous diva who is oft injured and wants to be in LA :lol

[Spurs da champs]

After last year I'm surprised any spurs fans are willing to trade for a cancerous diva who is oft injured and wants to be in LA :lol

He's a poor man's Kawhi who can pass plus he did like that IG comment about him on the Spurs. That's where the wanting him comes from.

[KDKSpurs24]

He's a poor man's Kawhi who can pass plus he did like that IG comment about him on the Spurs. That's where the wanting him comes from.
I heard he started liking several comments about a lot of different teams that day. He has a bad attitude. I don’t think he’s gonna get along with hardly any team he goes to.

[cd021]

Moving towards the deadline I'd do Mills/Bertans and both picks for Butler and Bates-Diop.

The offer would go down, not up. No way Spurs offer 2 1sts for 30 games + playoffs of Butler without assurances that he'd re-sign.

Also, Gasol would make more sense because he only has partial money remaining after next season.

[Dverde]

The offer would go down, not up. No way Spurs offer 2 1sts for 30 games + playoffs of Butler without assurances that he'd re-sign.

Also, Gasol would make more sense because he only has partial money remaining after next season.

You can never make any sense of Gasol’s last contract.

[Chillen]

You can never make any sense of Gasol’s last contract.

He walked in to see Pop with a Tim Duncan mask on. just kidding.

[tbdog]

The whole 3 max contract teams are coming to an end eventually and I don't think it's the way to go. It's only relevant now because of the Warriors. They essentially have 4 max contracts, (Green, Klay, Durant took very small discounts) and Curry is on supermax. Cousins took an insane discount. This is an outliner here.

And also because the cap jumped a few years ago, there are a lot of bad contracts for role players, which has resulted in Allstar potential players getting max deals (Barnes, Porter, Adams, Wiggins for example.) I would rather commit to Wil Barton and Gary Harris for 30mil between them and surround them around to all starts like LMA and DD. Than adding Bulter for example. Unfortunately, we spent that money on Mills and Gasol. Hopefully, Walker and Murray can be those awesome role players to help our two stars.

[Fusternino]

The offer would go down, not up. No way Spurs offer 2 1sts for 30 games + playoffs of Butler without assurances that he'd re-sign.

Also, Gasol would make more sense because he only has partial money remaining after next season.

I'm assuming that Butler would stay and part of him getting him to do that is keeping Gasol. Bertans can't be moved until 12/15 anyways.

[Spurs da champs]

I heard he started liking several comments about a lot of different teams that day. He has a bad attitude. I don’t think he’s gonna get along with hardly any team he goes to.
I agee. Still wish Spurs would've drafted him. Thibbs & bulls FO is also cancer imo.

[TDMVPDPOY]

attitude problem but his been playing on loser mentality teams

put him on spurs with lma/dd and pop, we are back in the ball game...

[Fusternino]

I do agree on some level Butler is "toxic" in the sense LeBron is where his complaints are legitimate but doesn't have the leadership ability to deal with them appropriately. He would do well on the Spurs.

[Mr. Body]

I guess you added the couple exceptions thing to CYA, but there are some very successful / great pro players who have played for Calipari.

Devin Booker
Anthony Davis
Julius Randle
Enes Kanter
Brandon Knight
John Wall
DeMarcus Cousins
Eric Bledsoe
Tyreke Evans
Derrick Rose
Marcus Camby

To name a few. Few coaches can say they put that many good to great players into the pro leagues

Nah, every single one of those except for two are horribly overrated. Take Booker as an example. Empty stats out the wazoo. Cousins is the same. Lots of stats, no idea how to win basketball games. These are all five star guys Calipari took and failed to teach anything about the game of basketball to. Look at Rose. Supreme talent, just junk upstairs. No idea how to play once his athleticism went away. The only two I value much at all are Davis and Wall. Randle has surprised me. The rest I wouldn't bother with.

[Mr. Body]

Towns is 22, hasn't missed a game in his NBA career and just averaged 21 and 12. You'd rather have a player of his caliber than not. The skyrocketing cap will offset some of the risk involved (the cap is supposed to jump to $120 million a year after his deal kicks in, jumping $18 million in two years)

Wiggins deal is rough but it's movable, assuming that they don't expect too much back for him.

Dieng's deal is awful, they'd be good to try and unload him in a Butler deal.

I'd be surprised if KAT does much more than this. Again, a Calipari player. They barely ever improve, and they certainly never become leaders or learn how to make other players better. I mean, DRob was dragging Vinny Del Negro deep into the playoffs year after year and what the hell has KAT done? What will he ever do? He's just a talented guy who doesn't know how to play basketball. He's so suspect, in fact, that he's on the verge of running the best player on his team out of the city.

[Chinook]

I'm assuming that Butler would stay and part of him getting him to do that is keeping Gasol. Bertans can't be moved until 12/15 anyways.

Bertans and probably Forbes can't be moved until 1/15, not 12/15 like outside free agents (Cunningham and Pondexter, for example).

[Fusternino]

Bertans and probably Forbes can't be moved until 1/15, not 12/15 like outside free agents (Cunningham and Pondexter, for example).

Just checked on RealGM and you're right-it's 1/15 for both. Still close to the trade deadline.

[marinoman]

Pau + patty + a first for 1 year butler and some garbage player to make the numbers work.

[Chinook]

Stop trying to add Mills to these deals. He's unnecessary to make the numbers work and is huge negative value in a deal like this.

[cd021]

I'm assuming that Butler would stay and part of him getting him to do that is keeping Gasol. Bertans can't be moved until 12/15 anyways.

That assume that Gasol and Butler are cool like that. Gasol makes more sense as trade salary, assuming they don't want long term money such as Mills.

[SAGirl]

I do prefer Butler to Demar tbh... I am not a Derozan fan. Maybe he wins me over but I would not mind him getting flipped.

[bklynspursfan]

I do prefer Butler to Demar tbh... I am not a Derozan fan. Maybe he wins me over but I would not mind him getting flipped.

Butler seems like he brings drama to teams. DeRozan as far as culture goes is a much better fit. Player wise I see the argument for sure.

I'm excited for DD, he seems motivated, and I'm looking forward to seeing what the coaching staff can do for his development.

[bklynspursfan]

15th :lol

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24743916/nba-power-rankings-training-camp-questions-all-30-teams

[dbestpro]

Moving towards the deadline I'd do Mills/Bertans and both picks for Butler and Bates-Diop.

This.

[iGetbuckets]

15th :lol

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24743916/nba-power-rankings-training-camp-questions-all-30-teams

Teams like Washington ahead of us:rollin

[bklynspursfan]

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[bklynspursfan]

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[John B]

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I still can’t believe it :dramaquee:cry

[pad300]

Nah, every single one of those except for two are horribly overrated. Take Booker as an example. Empty stats out the wazoo. Cousins is the same. Lots of stats, no idea how to win basketball games. These are all five star guys Calipari took and failed to teach anything about the game of basketball to. Look at Rose. Supreme talent, just junk upstairs. No idea how to play once his athleticism went away. The only two I value much at all are Davis and Wall. Randle has surprised me. The rest I wouldn't bother with.

Add Tyreke Evans to that list, it took a while, but he has become a good player (not a great, but good).

[pad300]

More realistic deals:

Pau + Lonnie + Spurs 2019 1st + TO 2019 1st for Butler + Keita Bates Diop

or

Pau + Spurs 2019 1st + TO 2019 1st for Butler

[Fusternino]

More realistic deals:

Pau + Lonnie + Spurs 2019 1st + TO 2019 1st for Butler + Keita Bates Diop

or

Pau + Spurs 2019 1st + TO 2019 1st for Butler

I think if Wolves move him at the deadline then my deal works. They need to do a trade because even if he walks they're way over the cap.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1045436434994335744

[BackHome]

Butler is overrated

[Duncan87]

https://youtu.be/IlyYZ-QBzBc. Barkley says Spurs 3rd best in West

[YGWHI]

WTF?
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[r0drig0lac]

WTF?
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Morey

[skookumchuck]

Morey
Melo a Timberwolf? :rollin

[gospursgojas]

I do prefer Butler to Demar tbh... I am not a Derozan fan. Maybe he wins me over but I would not mind him getting flipped.

The overrated-ness of Butler is insane. Demar is easily a better player. It’s not even close. What started as a “wow this guy is pretty good for someone who fell all the way to 30th in draft” has now become “let’s mortgage future for him”.

He’s not that great. Def not better than Demar and that’s not even taking into consideration how much better a teammate and culture guy Demar is.

[skookumchuck]

Def not better than Demar and that’s not even taking into consideration how much better a teammate and culture guy Demar is.

This times a hundred. Butler has a feel of a taller IT tbh.

[KDKSpurs24]

The overrated-ness of Butler is insane. Demar is easily a better player. It’s not even close. What started as a “wow this guy is pretty good for someone who fell all the way to 30th in draft” has now become “let’s mortgage future for him”.

He’s not that great. Def not better than Demar and that’s not even taking into consideration how much better a teammate and culture guy Demar is.
I completely agree. And I’m not even saying this because DeMar is a Spur now. Defense is pretty much the only thing he has a clear edge on. And I expect DeMar to make a leap (not sure how big or small) in that area. We saw Kyrie get to Boston and improve his defense. Boston had a lot of utility to help him out but I still see the system helping DeMar as well.

[RD2191]

The overrated-ness of Butler is insane. Demar is easily a better player. It’s not even close. What started as a “wow this guy is pretty good for someone who fell all the way to 30th in draft” has now become “let’s mortgage future for him”.

He’s not that great. Def not better than Demar and that’s not even taking into consideration how much better a teammate and culture guy Demar is.

Spurs have no future lol

[SAGirl]

People with the hot takes left and right here.

No matter bc Spurs aren’t trading for Jimmy.

They gave up a lot for Derozan and my trade is not just hypothetical but more than that a general dislike for DeMar, whose game has never impressed me.

[KDKSpurs24]

People with the hot takes left and right here.

No matter bc Spurs aren’t trading for Jimmy.

They gave up a lot for Derozan and my trade is not just hypothetical but more than that a general dislike for DeMar, whose game has never impressed me.
I’ll say this though.. the trade isn’t over yet. Could easily luck into a new really good young player with those two picks or somehow combine them in a trade for a lottery pick and land someone.

[BackHome]

Damn SA. You think DeR sucks and you think White sucks who do you like now that Anderson is gone?

[RD2191]

Damn SA. You think DeR sucks and you think White sucks who do you like now that Anderson is gone?

Trash takes bro, she thinks Kyle Anderson is a good player. :lol

[SAGirl]

Damn SA. You think DeR sucks and you think White sucks who do you like now that Anderson is gone?
Where did I say White sucks. I never said that, actually I wanted him to play more this season.

I don’t know who I like this season yet bc they haven’t played. I generally tend to dislike guys who are terrible on defense and thus I value Jimmy more than DeMar but as TimVP explains in his lengthy post the Spurs offense has been anemic and DeMar is supposed to fix that. He may yet win me over with his play in the Spurs. I have liked Dejounte in the past but there’s a lot of questions about his game offensively and I am being moderate in what I expect bc the guy is young still and improvements may be gradual and over time. I definitely like Aldridge, probably my favorite Spur among this bunch untill we get to see them. I think Aldridge is their most complete player. His one deficiency, passing the ball, should be supplemented with good playmaking from demar. We shall see what happens.

[SAGirl]

I’ll say this though.. the trade isn’t over yet. Could easily luck into a new really good young player with those two picks or somehow combine them in a trade for a lottery pick and land someone.
Yes we have to see them play. It may be a lot better than initially thought like Oladipo for Paul George, not perceived as a good trade at the time, but after due time it was a great trade, specially considering the circumstances. There’s young players there that may turn out great that weren’t at the time of the trade (not just the picks, but Poltl is still developing too)...

[SAGirl]

I think if you had asked me who I was most excited to see I’d have to say all the new faces, which includes Demar, plus how the offense looks with him. I look forward to Dijon’s improvements, White (who was barely seen last season), Poltl. I want to see how they figure things out as a team, etc.

[phxspurfan]

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Parker loves him some MJ.

[ceperez]

Yes we have to see them play. It may be a lot better than initially thought like Oladipo for Paul George, not perceived as a good trade at the time, but after due time it was a great trade, specially considering the circumstances. There’s young players there that may turn out great that weren’t at the time of the trade (not just the picks, but Poltl is still developing too)...

We can only hope!

The Spurs for the past two decades depended on superior playmaking. This season's Spurs do have players that can score. But its lost its identity of having players that can assist other players in making a play and also a loss in defensive minded players. It is hard for me to see that players left with championship experience, Mills, Belinelli and Pau can teach players who have never reached the finals in their entire career.

[gambit1990]

tp in his debut: 0/3 shooting, 1 assist, 2 turnovers.

[YGWHI]

While in Memphis, Bickerstaff said that Kyle can play some PG minutes. They were talking about this because the first play of yesterday scrimmage was..Kyle to Conley for 3. :tu

[YGWHI]

I get the "win-now" for Pop because these are his last years as coach but I would have loved a trade for some of these picks/rookies on draft night.

I know it was against non-NBA level team but still...

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[Seventyniner]

This times a hundred. Butler has a feel of a taller IT tbh.

Um no. Butler is a well above average defender. IT was among the worst in the league. DeMar is bad but IT was several notches below.

[skookumchuck]

Not in terms of defense, more like - cancer to the team.

[NickiRasgo]

Whatever happened to Jabari Parker Jr.? He looks fat now with the Chicago Bulls.

[SpursRussia]

Pat McCaw just became a FA. Any reason to look into him? Might be another body on the wing, still really young also

[SAGirl]

I have been following McCaw's storyline. He is not very good (although still young).

Problem is he wants at least 2 years guaranteed (unusual for an unproven prospect, which he still is). He declined a Forbes-like deal of $4 mill/2 years bc the second year wasn't guaranteed. Thinking about that, I now wonder if Forbes 2nd season is guaranteed or not, but I would expect it to bc the Spurs like him...

Anyways, McCaw is worth a look to someone but how much he wants is an issue. Also, I think he is still restricted too.

[SpursRussia]

Double checked, my bad, he really is restricted. That said, I would be a lot happier with McCaw than a soft midget Forbes if money is the same

[SAGirl]

Kyle in the Grizz. couldn't help myself. sue me.

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Really happy for him tho. Already with 10 points pretty unreal. Jaren Jackson looks really raw offensively but so young and athletic I think he'll figure it out.

[sasaint]

Kyle in the Grizz. couldn't help myself. sue me.

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Really happy for him tho. Already with 10 points pretty unreal. Jaren Jackson looks really raw offensively but so young and athletic I think he'll figure it out.

Thanks. I am much more interested to see how Kyle does this season than Number 2. I am very interested to see how different his usage is on the Grizz, and (of course) if he becomes more offense-minded.

[phxspurfan]

Kyle in the Grizz. couldn't help myself. sue me.

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Really happy for him tho. Already with 10 points pretty unreal. Jaren Jackson looks really raw offensively but so young and athletic I think he'll figure it out.

Kyle looking good. Curious to see how far he takes the Grizz and his full season numbers as a key piece on that team. Kind of like how everyone was curious about how SJax would turn out after he left, and how Simmons would turn out. The former being pretty good (aside from Malice at the Palace) and the latter being 'meh'

[Seventyniner]

Thanks. I am much more interested to see how Kyle does this season than Number 2. I am very interested to see how different his usage is on the Grizz, and (of course) if he becomes more offense-minded.

Same here. We already know what Number 2 is capable of, both good and bad.

Even with Bertans's impressive performance I still wish the team had kept Kyle instead. His defense would be a great help alongside DeRozan. If Memphis offered Kyle for Bertans and Forbes I would take the deal in a second.

And that wasn't just anyone's pocket he picked, it was James Harden.

[SAGirl]

Same here. We already know what Number 2 is capable of, both good and bad.

Even with Bertans's impressive performance I still wish the team had kept Kyle instead. His defense would be a great help alongside DeRozan. If Memphis offered Kyle for Bertans and Forbes I would take the deal in a second.

And that wasn't just anyone's pocket he picked, it was James Harden.

Everyone knows I am a KA fan, but Bertans is playing really well and I think Bertie will be good for the Spurs. He's a better shooter by far and fits Pop's offensive system better (since the Spurs already have their main scorers who are not that much of 3 pt shooters). It is early of course, but I think Bertans will have a good season for the Spurs.

For Kyle, I think his season is going to be tougher, mostly bc the Grizz have less talent, but hopefully he will grow as a player.

[Hoops Czar]

Tony Parker 4-6, 8 points, 7 assists in 13 min. He'll probably be in the running for winning 10th man of the year.

[mo7888]

Everyone knows I am a KA fan, but Bertans is playing really well and I think Bertie will be good for the Spurs. He's a better shooter by far and fits Pop's offensive system better (since the Spurs already have their main scorers who are not that much of 3 pt shooters). It is early of course, but I think Bertans will have a good season for the Spurs.

For Kyle, I think his season is going to be tougher, mostly bc the Grizz have less talent, but hopefully he will grow as a player.

I agree with you about bertans. He will have a real opportunity with the way he fits with this team.

[Seventyniner]

Everyone knows I am a KA fan, but Bertans is playing really well and I think Bertie will be good for the Spurs. He's a better shooter by far and fits Pop's offensive system better (since the Spurs already have their main scorers who are not that much of 3 pt shooters). It is early of course, but I think Bertans will have a good season for the Spurs.

For Kyle, I think his season is going to be tougher, mostly bc the Grizz have less talent, but hopefully he will grow as a player.

I didn't mean to say Bertans is bad, just that Kyle would fit better in a lineup. And you get rid of Forbes.

[sasaint]

I didn't mean to say Bertans is bad, just that Kyle would fit better in a lineup. And you get rid of Forbes.

Kyle might fit better on defense, but Bertans may be the better offensive fit. I wouldn't move Bertans for Kyle in order to dump Forbes. I am very interested to see how Bertans performs on the Spurs in Kyle's absence, and I am also interested to see how Kyle performs on his new team.

[JPB]

Tony Parker 4-6, 8 points, 7 assists in 13 min. He'll probably be in the running for winning 10th man of the year.

(Stupid stat guy) : 'That's 40 pts, 35 ass., 20-30 (66%) per 36 min., that's impressive O_O'

[Chinook]

(Stupid stat guy) : 'That's 40 pts, 35 ass., 20-30 (66%) per 36 min., that's impressive O_O'

I mean, that's impressive any way. It's closer to 23 and 20 though. I think it's better to start using per-20 or per-24 numbers for bench guys, though. I haven't seen someone do it yet, but it has to be better than per-40 numbers for college and Europe.

[TDMVPDPOY]

ANDERSON is a solid m2m defender who likes to reach in for the steal..something the spurs going to sorely miss...

his passiveness on offense is what costs him from advancing to the next stage of his career...

[YGWHI]

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https://www.nba.com/gmsurvey/2018

Spurs top #4-6 in the West, LMA #5 PFs, Murray #4 breakout season...

[YGWHI]

Who cares. This team never was top on Lowe list of most watchable teams and still won 5 titles. Spurs #18

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[SpursDynasty85]

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Lol

[JPB]

Shouldn't that avatar be banned ?

[YGWHI]

Irving will stay in Boston. No more rumors about him joining Knicks or Nets with Butler next season.

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[YGWHI]

I read some people saying he won't play until January...OKC defense will miss him so much. Although Utah impressed me last season and this preaseson, Roberson injury is other good reason to think the Spurs will be #2 in the West. Rockets got worse, OKC losing key guys...

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[szkorhetz]

I read some people saying he won't play until January...OKC defense will miss him so much. Although Utah impressed me last season and this preaseson, Roberson injury is other good reason to think the Spurs will be #2 in the West. Rockets got worse, OKC losing key guys...

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I would rank the Rockets, OKC and Jazz all above us. Spurs are most likely to be fifth in the West, beating out Jazz in the first round and then losing to GSW in the second.

[cd021]

I would rank the Rockets, OKC and Jazz all above us. Spurs are most likely to be fifth in the West, beating out Jazz in the first round and then losing to GSW in the second.
GSW, Houston, Spurs, healthy OKC, Jazz tbh.

[bklynspursfan]

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[YGWHI]

I would rank the Rockets, OKC and Jazz all above us. Spurs are most likely to be fifth in the West, beating out Jazz in the first round and then losing to GSW in the second.

Rockets defense without Ariza and having Melo there, I think they got worse...It's likely OKC will start the season without Russ and Roberson...I like the Jazz but they have their issues on offense...IDK. I can see the Spurs getting that #2 seed.

[RD2191]

Fukin bum ass RC should be doing everything in his power to get Butler. He's probably getting wasted somewhere though. :pctoss

[Gordy58]

Blossomgame waived smh what is going on

[cjw]

Blossomgame waived smh what is going on

They need to sign a PG...

[Gordy58]

They need to sign a PG...
gonna sign another washed up scrub tbh

[TimDunkem]

gonna sign another washed up scrub who is JUST good enough to keep us afloat in NBA purgatory as the 8th seed with a low 20s draft pick, tbh
Fixed.

[Leetonidas]

Blossomgame waived smh what is going on

Making room for a PG imo

[ceperez]

PATFO now have to scramble to get guards.

Current rosters stands at 12 with two guards injured (one is done for the season).

Anybody have ideas of what's available out there?

[Chinook]

Though now that I think about it, Didn't the Spurs only have 19 guys on their camp roster before this? I don't think they needed to waive Blossomgame to sign anyone, but waiving him might be their way to announcing there's no longer any competition over the last spot. I doubt Okaro White is getting the two-way at this point. If the team legit signs a PG to the big roster, then Blossom's versatility makes more sense next to Eubanks.

[ceperez]

Though now that I think about it, Didn't the Spurs only have 19 guys on their camp roster before this? I don't think they needed to waive Blossomgame to sign anyone, but waiving him might be their way to announcing there's no longer any competition over the last spot. I doubt Okaro White is getting the two-way at this point. If the team legit signs a PG to the big roster, then Blossom's versatility makes more sense next to Eubanks.

Between Pondexter, Blossomgame and O.White, only Pondexter has some good dribbling skills.

I don't think Pondexter makes the team though! I'm sure there are plenty of other prospects in the league that will better fill the Spurs needs.

[Chinook]

Between Pondexter, Blossomgame and O.White, only Pondexter has some good dribbling skills.

I don't think Pondexter makes the team though! I'm sure there are plenty of other prospects in the league that will better fill the Spurs needs.

I don't think any of them make the 15. But someone has to make the second two-way spot. I see Blossom leading that pack, at least among guys from camp. They still need camp bodies, though, so White and Pon have roles to play soaking up minutes.

[Gordy58]

I hope we sign Jamal Crawford now tbh, Derrick white can take the starting nod at PG, Jamal would play well with the second unit, lots of passing and scoring

[ceperez]

I don't think any of them make the 15. But someone has to make the second two-way spot. I see Blossom leading that pack, at least among guys from camp. They still need camp bodies, though, so White and Pon have roles to play soaking up minutes.

I suspect they keep Johnson to the end of pre-season. They need a guard and Pop inserted him against Houston before any of the other scrubs.

Spurs aren't going to grab another guy unless he's familiar with the system. What happened to Hanlan? Is Brando Paul still available?

I can imagine the kind of scrambling the Spurs are doing now.

[SAGirl]

Though now that I think about it, Didn't the Spurs only have 19 guys on their camp roster before this? I don't think they needed to waive Blossomgame to sign anyone, but waiving him might be their way to announcing there's no longer any competition over the last spot. I doubt Okaro White is getting the two-way at this point. If the team legit signs a PG to the big roster, then Blossom's versatility makes more sense next to Eubanks.

Just thought about this: haven’t the Spurs lost the exclusive rights to Blossomgame. I think he can sign anywhere right now. Maybe he has something else lined up.

[Pavlov]

Just thought about this: haven’t the Spurs lost the exclusive rights to Blossomgame. I think he can sign anywhere right now. Maybe he has something else lined up.Maybe they just didn't think he was worth a roster spot.

[ceperez]

Just thought about this: haven’t the Spurs lost the exclusive rights to Blossomgame. I think he can sign anywhere right now. Maybe he has something else lined up.

Spurs are known for waiving players so they can sign elsewhere. Not unlikely since the preseason isn't even over. Why bother waiving the player unless he requested it.

[phxspurfan]

Spurs are known for waiving players so they can sign elsewhere. Not unlikely since the preseason isn't even over. Why bother waiving the player unless he requested it.

Exactly. Spurs are giving him away bc they have more pressing needs now. Blossom will go to another team he can actually help, while we free up more roster spots for Othyus Jeffers

[Dverde]

Jamal Crawford anyone? He’s still out unsigned

[dbestpro]

Jamal Crawford anyone? He’s still out unsigned

Would rather talk Manu out of retirement tbh. Manu can at least handle the ball.

[Gordy58]

Would rather talk Manu out of retirement tbh. Manu can at least handle the ball.
lmao crawdford is actually known for his great handles

[TheGreatYacht]

I hope we sign Jamal Crawford now tbh, Derrick white can take the starting nod at PG, Jamal would play well with the second unit, lots of passing and scoring

Jamal Crawford anyone? He’s still out unsigned

A team of Crawford, DeRozan, Gay, Aldridge....

The thought of that is so fucking stupid that Drunkford might go for it.

[phxspurfan]

lmao crawdford is actually known for his great handles

dribble dribbler dribble dribble....dribble dribble dribble dribble... step back long 2

[tbdog]

I got no idea what the Spurs will do. How ironic is it that we were heavy in guards and we here wanted Mills gone for a SF like Carroll ffs, and now we are scouring the free agent market for pg turds. Vet PG's are wanted and the decent ones a gone. There are little true PG's coming out of college and so all the true pgs are far to old to play at a NBA standard. I just think the Spurs will use DD as the PG with Mills/Forbes as the SG, with White as a backup. Gay and Beli will handle SF, with Bertans and Cunningham playing the combo forward role. Gasol will play the Marc/Jokic playmaking role in the second unit.

DD/White
Mills/Fobes
Gay/Beli/Cunningham
Bertans/Poeltl
LMA/Gasol

[YGWHI]

I guess we need a list of point guards still available

[Leetonidas]

I got no idea what the Spurs will do. How ironic is it that we were heavy in guards and we here wanted Mills gone for a SF like Carroll ffs, and now we are scouring the free agent market for pg turds. Vet PG's are wanted and the decent ones a gone. There are little true PG's coming out of college and so all the true pgs are far to old to play at a NBA standard. I just think the Spurs will use DD as the PG with Mills/Forbes as the SG, with White as a backup. Gay and Beli will handle SF, with Bertans and Cunningham playing the combo forward role. Gasol will play the Marc/Jokic playmaking role in the second unit.

DD/White
Mills/Fobes
Gay/Beli/Cunningham
Bertans/Poeltl
LMA/Gasol

Honestly makes the most sense.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

Anyone have a good source for available PGs.... Not sure who is available, but obviously the list will be pretty pathetic. A few washed up vets like Chalmers, Lawson(not sure), the Halan guys that is always on summer league team, Tyler Ennis, can't think of many

[playbonner15]

Anyone have a good source for available PGs.... Not sure who is available, but obviously the list will be pretty pathetic. A few washed up vets like Chalmers, Lawson(not sure), the Halan guys that is always on summer league team, Tyler Ennis, can't think of many
Jimmer

[r0drig0lac]

Jimmer

funny..

[SAGirl]

I got no idea what the Spurs will do. How ironic is it that we were heavy in guards and we here wanted Mills gone for a SF like Carroll ffs, and now we are scouring the free agent market for pg turds. Vet PG's are wanted and the decent ones a gone. There are little true PG's coming out of college and so all the true pgs are far to old to play at a NBA standard. I just think the Spurs will use DD as the PG with Mills/Forbes as the SG, with White as a backup. Gay and Beli will handle SF, with Bertans and Cunningham playing the combo forward role. Gasol will play the Marc/Jokic playmaking role in the second unit.

DD/White
Mills/Fobes
Gay/Beli/Cunningham
Bertans/Poeltl
LMA/Gasol
Looks good to me, considering. But they still need to pick up somebody bc one of those guards gets so much as a stomach flu and you don't have anyone. It's probably why Blossomgame was waived. They may add a guard as a 2 way deal. But having a vet to come in when the team is short on bodies wouldn't be a bad idea either.

[BackHome]

Well that’s means more minutes for Metu and White sink or swim guys. It is Ok I am OK with a shitty record this season just as long as Deroz and White and Metu can ball I’ll be a happy camper.

[tbdog]

Looks good to me, considering. But they still need to pick up somebody bc one of those guards gets so much as a stomach flu and you don't have anyone. It's probably why Blossomgame was waived. They may add a guard as a 2 way deal. But having a vet to come in when the team is short on bodies wouldn't be a bad idea either.

Until December, yeah. I think we might carry 14 and sign 10 day contracts if the stomach flu hits.

[kobyz]

...

[ceperez]

I got no idea what the Spurs will do. How ironic is it that we were heavy in guards and we here wanted Mills gone for a SF like Carroll ffs, and now we are scouring the free agent market for pg turds. Vet PG's are wanted and the decent ones a gone. There are little true PG's coming out of college and so all the true pgs are far to old to play at a NBA standard. I just think the Spurs will use DD as the PG with Mills/Forbes as the SG, with White as a backup. Gay and Beli will handle SF, with Bertans and Cunningham playing the combo forward role. Gasol will play the Marc/Jokic playmaking role in the second unit.

DD/White
Mills/Fobes
Gay/Beli/Cunningham
Bertans/Poeltl
LMA/Gasol

How much is White that much worse than Murray? White at least isn't a liability in offense. He's not an elite defender like Murray, but they are at least the same size.

[tbdog]

How much is White that much worse than Murray? White at least isn't a liability in offense. He's not an elite defender like Murray, but they are at least the same size.

Have you not followed the pre season? Murray was a clear top 4 player on the team, only being outshined by Gay, DD, and LMA. White has been one of the worst guards on the roster.

[8FOR!3]

Have you not followed the pre season? Murray was a clear top 4 player on the team, only being outshined by Gay, DD, and LMA. White has been one of the worst guards on the roster.

This is true but also White has shown flashes there's always a chance that he just needs some time to get comfortable with playing in the NBA and he'll definitely have that opportunity. His skillset says that he can score and he tries hard on defense.

[kobyz]

You have to start now patty/bryn/demar/lma/jacob

[buujness]

I know that a lot of us are looking at PGs, but isn't perimeter defense the bigger hole right now? That was the main reason DJM was so important to the team, as he was the truly stand out perimeter defender on the roster. I honestly am not sure who is available that can do that (here or overseas), but I'd much rather the Spurs look in that direction for taking DJM's roster spot this year.

[Duncan87]

The San Antonio Spurs and forward Josh Heustis have agreed to an Exhibit 10 deal, league sources told The Athletic. Weird signing maybe Dwhite our Pg

[J_Paco]

So, they chose Huestis over Blossomgame. *Sigh*

[Duncan87]

Thought maybe Jamal Crawford would have been considered 😒😒

[sasaint]

Have you not followed the pre season? Murray was a clear top 4 player on the team, only being outshined by Gay, DD, and LMA. White has been one of the worst guards on the roster.

The larger sample is last season (although still small) when he looked much better.

[kobyz]

I hope spurs go for re tool and start and play a lot white/bryn(walker)/davis(josh)/metu/jacob

[kobyz]

Would you go for this trade, getting younger and think on future instead of trying to fight for 7/8 seed? http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybmppl5e

[sasaint]

Would you go for this trade, getting younger and think on future instead of trying to fight for 7/8 seed? http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybmppl5e

Don't see either team going for that trade.

[BackHome]

I would give Metu, White, Bertans, and JP as much playing time as possible. With the understanding they will have a steep learning curve so as long as they playing hard LEAVE them in Pop don’t be a dick and yank them for making one stupid mistake

[bklynspursfan]

Meanwhile, in Minnesota

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[Chinook]

Meanwhile, in Minnesota

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He's not lying there. With Towns, they have Love 2.0. It's a mistake to him call the shots too much until/unless he proves he can lead a team. Obviously don't know what happened with Butler, and the rumors made it seem bad. But finding a way to move past their beef is the best path to winning. I get that Towns doesn't care about that right now, but it's the Wolves' job to care even if their star doesn't.

[Joseph Kony]

Butler is appearing to be a cancer bigger than Kawhi. Dude might not even be a top 15 player and has largely done jack to bring his teams success to this point. why tf does he think anyone cant win without him? :lol no one was winning with you either my man

[bklynspursfan]

He's not lying there. With Towns, they have Love 2.0. It's a mistake to him call the shots too much until/unless he proves he can lead a team. Obviously don't know what happened with Butler, and the rumors made it seem bad. But finding a way to move past their beef is the best path to winning. I get that Towns doesn't care about that right now, but it's the Wolves' job to care even if their star doesn't.

True... It's being reported that he played with the 3rd stringers and beat the starters lol

[KDKSpurs24]

He's not lying there. With Towns, they have Love 2.0. It's a mistake to him call the shots too much until/unless he proves he can lead a team. Obviously don't know what happened with Butler, and the rumors made it seem bad. But finding a way to move past their beef is the best path to winning. I get that Towns doesn't care about that right now, but it's the Wolves' job to care even if their star doesn't.
I had already crossed the Wolves out of playoff contention but now it looks like it will be a more difficult road for Spurs if Jimmy ends up staying.

[bklynspursfan]

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[Dex]

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[monkeypunk]

He may be right about them needing him but hell no do I want that shit in our locker room.


Meanwhile, in Minnesota

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[SAGirl]

Minnesota was getting top picks in the lottery b4 Jimmy. Let’s not pretend this was Denver or a similar team that’s young, competitive and on the verge of making the playoffs by a small margin. No, Minnesota was leading tankathons. How easy people forget. They made it to the playoffs last season with Jimmy and they think they have it all figured out now.

Towns and Wiggins should be ashamed of getting beat by Jimmy and the bench with Jimmy having missed all preseason and not having that chemistry rolling.

[BackHome]

Is he trying to do a KY and get traded to the Flakers?

[SAGirl]

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Well at least he’s doing the talking himself not his uncle, group or mouthpieces

[phxspurfan]

Meanwhile, in Minnesota

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lol warmup warrior

[RD2191]

Butler is doing way too much for just a barely above average player. He's good but he ain't that good. :lol

[r0drig0lac]

Butler is doing way too much for just a barely above average player. He's good but he ain't that good. :lol

yet this is alpha af, 3rd string? lmao

[RD2191]

yet this is alpha af, 3rd string? lmao

I think that says more about the shitty ass wolves than Butler tbh

[r0drig0lac]

I think that says more about the shitty ass wolves than Butler tbh

fair

[SpurSpike]

Butler is doing way too much for just a barely above average player. He's good but he ain't that good.

The funny thing is when you compare Butlers stats to Kawhi's they are almost identical. The only thing Kawhi has above butler really is a few more accolades but statistically they are very similar.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/jimmy_butler_vs_kawhi_leonard.htm

[emanueldavidginobili]

This whole thing is hilarious, it was all a set up for Jimmy Butler he already had an interview set up with Rachel Nichols today after practice so he could do all this and then sit down and talk about it with her. This puts a lot of pressure on the Wolves to trade him now. Rachel Nichols just wasn’t hanging out in Minnesota lol. Also makes sense how all of this was leaked so quick at a regular Timberwolves practice because ESPN was there.

[RD2191]

The funny thing is when you compare Butlers stats to Kawhi's they are almost identical. The only thing Kawhi has above butler really is a few more accolades but statistically they are very similar.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/jimmy_butler_vs_kawhi_leonard.htm

Well tbh stats don't tell the whole story. Kawhi is significantly better than Butler.

[RD2191]

This whole thing is hilarious, it was all a set up for Jimmy Butler he already had an interview set up with Rachel Nichols today after practice so he could do all this and then sit down and talk about it with her. This puts a lot of pressure on the Wolves to trade him now. Rachel Nichols just wasn’t hanging out in Minnesota lol. Also makes sense how all of this was leaked so quick at a regular Timberwolves practice because ESPN was there.

Tbh. I was thinking the exact same thing. :lol Nichols just happened to be in the area? :lol

[r0drig0lac]

DeAndre Liggins and KJ McDaniels are two guys who could work (if we were lucky), and are free at the moment

[Chinook]

DeAndre Liggins and KJ McDaniels are two guys who could work (if we were lucky), and are free at the moment

Wouldn't it be something to finally get McDaniels the same year Kyle walks in free agency?

[r0drig0lac]

Wouldn't it be something to finally get McDaniels the same year Kyle walks in free agency?

why?

[SAGirl]

Wow, OKC practically losing Roberson for a majority of the season with surgery complications, and they still couldn't find use for KJ McDaniels, an arguably defensive wing. It's not a good sign of confidence on KJ

[Chinook]

why?

Back in the day (meaning before Jokic became a star), the guy Kyle haters pointed to as the player PATFO should have taken in 2014 instead of Anderson was KJ. He had a strong rookie year with Philly and looked to be on a much faster developmental curve. Think McCaw vs Murray from a couple of years ago.

[r0drig0lac]

Back in the day (meaning before Jokic became a star), the guy Kyle haters pointed to as the player PATFO should have taken in 2014 instead of Anderson was KJ. He had a strong rookie year with Philly and looked to be on a much faster developmental curve. Think McCaw vs Murray from a couple of years ago.

lmao

[SAGirl]

In the list of camp waivers... what a downfall for
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He's not what the Spurs need btw. But wow, this guy once turned down a $40 mill contract extension from the Wolves bc he got greedy and wanted more.
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/12/24/report-shabazz-muhammad-rejected-four-year-40-million-contract-extension-last-year/

[kobyz]

In the list of camp waivers... what a downfall for
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He's not what the Spurs need btw. But wow, this guy once turned down a $40 mill contract extension from the Wolves bc he got greedy and wanted more.
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/12/24/report-shabazz-muhammad-rejected-four-year-40-million-contract-extension-last-year/
He's a pondinxter with a worse defense

[kobyz]

Don't see either team going for that trade.

So what about the opposite trade: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaa3wcss
Would only be possible in a couple of months by adding bellinelli, but i just think spurs need to do somthing, staying the curse is going nowhere...

[sasaint]

So what about the opposite trade: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaa3wcss
Would only be possible in a couple of months by adding bellinelli, but i just think spurs need to do somthing, staying the curse is going nowhere...

If the Spurs did this trade, I would stop supporting them. But there is zero danger of that. Much worse than your first proposal as far as the good guys are concerned.

Btw, how long have you followed the Spurs? You know that the only world in which your proposed trades happen is in the fantasy league world - right? PATFO doesn't operate that way.

[kobyz]

If the Spurs did this trade, I would stop supporting them. But there is zero danger of that. Much worse than your first proposal as far as the good guys are concerned.

Btw, how long have you followed the Spurs? You know that the only world in which your proposed trades happen is in the fantasy league world - right? PATFO doesn't operate that way.

So you rather have spurs staying vanilla, playing the season trying to get the 7/8 seed with no upside?

[sasaint]

So you better spurs staying vanilla, playing the season trying to get the 7/8 seed with no upside?

Me? I prefer staying pat over your two proposed trades. But, it doesn't matter what I prefer. PATFO is all that counts, and they don't operate that way. It is just a waste of my time to wear out the trade machine on 7/8 player trades when PATFO would never consider such deals. There will be some guys who get cut that the Spurs will look at in the next week or two, and there will be more guys available at the trade deadline. PATFO might consider a minor deal at that time.

You don't actually believe that dumping all of the players in your second deal for Conley and Marc would elevate the Spurs to contenders do you?

[kobyz]

Me? I prefer staying pat over your two proposed trades. But, it doesn't matter what I prefer. PATFO is all that counts, and they don't operate that way. It is just a waste of my time to wear out the trade machine on 7/8 player trades when PATFO would never consider such deals. There will be some guys who get cut that the Spurs will look at in the next week or two, and there will be more guys available at the trade deadline. PATFO might consider a minor deal at that time.

You don't actually believe that dumping all of the players in your second deal for Conley and Marc would elevate the Spurs to contenders do you?

At least it would make us relevant and better than the lakers, and we don't give that much, just some young project guys that who know if would become good at all...

[Leetonidas]

He's a pondinxter with a worse defense

Lolwat? They're not even remotely similar players. Do you even watch basketball? :lol

[kobyz]

Lolwat? They're not even remotely similar players. Do you even watch basketball? :lol
I think you probably don't remember pondenxter before spurs

[sasaint]

At least it would make us relevant and better than the lakers, and we don't give that much, just some young project guys that who know if would become good at all...

Neither of your proposed deals would make us any more "relevant" than we might be by staying with these guys you want to trade. Acquiring Conley and Marc, in fact, would make us more plodding and old school than we are, rendering us totally irrelevant at the expense of young guys who are a much better bet/gamble going ahead.

With our assets, we don't have what it takes to both keep sufficient core talent and make a trade to add a difference maker to that core. But if you held a gun to both Pop's and Riley's heads, the first trade is better than the last that you proposed. But if you know that PATFO wouldn't ever consider these huge deals, why bother?

[Chinook]

I think you probably don't remember pondenxter before spurs

Only similarity they have is that they're both fast on their way out of the league.

[Dancelot]

Huestis waived, that didn’t take long :lol

[playbonner15]

Huestis waived, that didn’t take long :lol
why? so Blossomgod is in???

[kobyz]

warriors just sign Deyonta Davis, great upside with no downside move for tem, i hoped we could have sign him as he's athletic center who rebound and still has lot potential with the right devolepmnt!

[r0drig0lac]

warriors just sign Deyonta Davis, great upside with no downside move for tem, i hoped we could have sign him as he's athletic center who rebound and still has lot potential with the right devolepmnt!

and Alfonzo McKinnie, a 6'8" small forward

[TimDunkem]

and Alfonzo McKinnie, a 6'8" small forward

Size and upside. Wonder why the Spurs never have interest in such players.

[Chinook]

Don't have a ton of faith in GS' developmental staff. I can't think of a player they've gotten when that player was bad when they got him but grew into a legitimately good player. They're good at picking guys they can use and then putting those guys into a good position.

[r0drig0lac]

Size and upside. Wonder why the Spurs never have interest in such players.

I really can not understand, spurs is probably the team that most needs this kind of player, but simply does not care and puts their own players on tasks they can not perform.

[8FOR!3]

warriors just sign Deyonta Davis, great upside with no downside move for tem, i hoped we could have sign him as he's athletic center who rebound and still has lot potential with the right devolepmnt!

Gasol/Poeltl are in the rotation and Metu is our developmental big, so I don't see the need for it. Blossomgame is the only promising two way wing out of the names ya'll have listed to me. At this point he would probably be a better rotational player than KJ McDaniels who's already gotten multiple shots in the NBA and Huestis who doesn't do anything on offense.

[kobyz]

San Antonio Spurs depth chart right now for this season:
Bryn Forbes/Patrick Mills
DeMar DeRozan/Marco Belinelli
Rudy Gay/Davis Bertans/Quincy Pondexter
LaMarcus Aldridge/Dante Cunningham
Pau Gasol/Jakob Poeltl/Chimezie Metu

[NASpurs]

San Antonio Spurs deph chart right now for this season:
Bryn Forbes/Patrick Mills
DeMar DeRozan/Marco Belinelli
Rudy Gay/Davis Bertans/Quincy Pondexter
LaMarcus Aldridge/Dante Cunningham
Pau Gasol/Jakob Poeltl/Chimezie Metu

Lol “depth “

[kobyz]

Gasol/Poeltl are in the rotation and Metu is our developmental big, so I don't see the need for it. Blossomgame is the only promising two way wing out of the names ya'll have listed to me. At this point he would probably be a better rotational player than KJ McDaniels who's already gotten multiple shots in the NBA and Huestis who doesn't do anything on offense.

i think davis has more potential than poeltl or metu, if he become dedicate he could be clint capela type...

[kobyz]

spurs should call sean marks to check if Spencer Dinwiddie could be added for 2 second round picks

[ceperez]

How is it that the last three first round draft picks all get some tear in pre-season? All on non-contact injuries while playing a pre-season game.

[YGWHI]

San Antonio Spurs depth chart right now for this season:
Bryn Forbes/Patrick Mills
DeMar DeRozan/Marco Belinelli
Rudy Gay/Davis Bertans/Quincy Pondexter
LaMarcus Aldridge/Dante Cunningham
Pau Gasol/Jakob Poeltl/Chimezie Metu

This is still a playoff-team. Without doubt.

While LMA and DeRozan stay healthy and focus, this team is top #4 in the West.

I thought they would end #2 before the injuries, now #4 is fair.

I watched Blazers, Pels and Nuggets in preseason, they won't get a higher seed than this team.

[K...]

The spurs have had many seasons of pulling draft successes however when you look back, how many of those picks, free agency pickups, etc. would you describe as athletic?

Is it possible that the spurs excel on creating role players but suck at developing main talents? The kawhi Leonard experiment is the standout success. The question is if the spurs can find that level of talent regularly.

Athleticism is easily measured by scouting so i can imagine the spurs have less advantage vs every other team at picking a future main options. picking injury risks like walker may be the best they can do without tanking.

Just goes to show, how much easier it is to create teams around HOF talent then from scratch. I think the spurs will be ok, and the injuries may in the long run make the next gen talent more affordable. The good news is that the spurs are no worse at talent picking then any other team, it's just that they continue to lose advantages they've had in drafting and team makeup.

[K...]

1051243454674685952

the nightmare is over....rest in piece to this dumb ass bastard

[tbdog]

This is still a playoff-team. Without doubt.

While LMA and DeRozan stay healthy and focus, this team is top #4 in the West.

I thought they would end #2 before the injuries, now #4 is fair.

I watched Blazers, Pels and Nuggets in preseason, they won't get a higher seed than this team.

It will be an interesting race. I am not high on Pels either. They have the worst starting pg in the league in Payton. They have no wing depth at all. They heavily rely on Davis who is usually injury prone. At the end of the day, it's hard to compare an injured side to a healthy side. You kinda think things balance and by December when we are fairly healthy again with Walker and White, while those healthy sides hit the injury bug around the same time. But we all know that's not how sports works. It may realine, it may swing in our favour, or it may swing further away.

[KDKSpurs24]

It will be an interesting race. I am not high on Pels either. They have the worst starting pg in the league in Payton. They have no wing depth at all. They heavily rely on Davis who is usually injury prone. At the end of the day, it's hard to compare an injured side to a healthy side. You kinda think things balance and by December when we are fairly healthy again with Walker and White, while those healthy sides hit the injury bug around the same time. But we all know that's not how sports works. It may realine, it may swing in our favour, or it may swing further away.
Davis isn’t really that injury prone. I thought the same thing as well but when he gets hurt in a game he’s usually back the next game. He’s played in 150 of his last 164 games. Just wanted to throw that out that.

[tbdog]

Davis isn’t really that injury prone. I thought the same thing as well but when he gets hurt in a game he’s usually back the next game. He’s played in 150 of his last 164 games. Just wanted to throw that out that.

Interesting. His first few seasons has given him that injury stigma I suppose.

[KDKSpurs24]

Interesting. His first few seasons has given him that injury stigma I suppose.
Yeah you’re right about that. It has.

[kobyz]

spurs should sign antonius cleveland

[cd021]

spurs should call sean marks to check if Spencer Dinwiddie could be added for 2 second round picks
Gasol and 2 2nd rounders for DeMarre Carrol tbh

Spurs get out of having to pay Gasol his $6.7 in guaranteed money, plus adding a good wing defender, who is also a high volume shooter that can play the 3 and 4 and has his bird rights so they won't have to dip into the MLE to re-sign him.

[cd021]

It will be an interesting race. I am not high on Pels either. They have the worst starting pg in the league in Payton. They have no wing depth at all. They heavily rely on Davis who is usually injury prone. At the end of the day, it's hard to compare an injured side to a healthy side. You kinda think things balance and by December when we are fairly healthy again with Walker and White, while those healthy sides hit the injury bug around the same time. But we all know that's not how sports works. It may realine, it may swing in our favour, or it may swing further away.

I think if Gay, LMA, and DDR all play at least 70 games and there are no more major injuries then this is still a good playoff team. They may only be around average on D but could be a top-tier offensive team, that is markings of a high 40's low 50 win team.

[cd021]

Davis isn’t really that injury prone. I thought the same thing as well but when he gets hurt in a game he’s usually back the next game. He’s played in 150 of his last 164 games. Just wanted to throw that out that.

He tends to get knicked up and leaves games early and may miss a game or two, but I agree that really isn't injury prone.

[kobyz]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycomx5vl
spurs adding a first rounder and get the sf they need to replace kiwi who his clone of other formar spurs sean elliott

[venitian navigator]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycomx5vl
spurs adding a first rounder and get the sf they need to replace kiwi who his clone of other formar spurs sean elliott

considering the Howard injury and then fact that Washington have very new good options at small forward (Oubre, D. Robinson, T. Brown) that could be an intersting trade for both teams...

[YGWHI]

After last Noah news it's a good time to find that gif with Tim :D

[Jdspur20]

So spurs have to PGs left, wow.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1051471280338296833

[monkeypunk]

Too bad Spurs don’t have anything to offer the Clips for Milos.

[playbonner15]

Too bad Spurs don’t have anything to offer the Clips for Milos.
Picks? Cash? :lol

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1051471280338296833

snell (3 years..meh) or wes johnson and i would be ok

[TD 21]

If the Clippers can't pull off a trade (Teodosic and Evans for Arthur and a 2nd?) and don't want to cut Thornwell or Wallace, they might be willing to buyout or waive and stretch (somewhat cutting into their '19 cap space) Johnson.

If so, then Gasol for Teodosic, Marjanovic and Johnson (who'd be bought out or waived and stretched), makes sense. Would further destroy the Spurs perimeter defense, but buoy the offense and balance the roster.

Gasol for Snell, Dellavedova and a future lottery protected 1st (Suns own their '19 1st). Would put the Spurs into the tax and leave them somewhat thin at center, but balance the roster and add another long term asset.

[ace3g]

I wonder if Spurs are still interested in Stanley Johnson -- Johnson/Calderon

**disregard Calderon can't be traded yet since he just signed with Pistons

[tbdog]

Gasol isn't getting traded. I think he will be one of the best bigs off the bench this year. He is overpaid, but that's done. Trading him for other overpaid player like Snell is just plain ignorant.

[TD 21]

Gasol isn't getting traded. I think he will be one of the best bigs off the bench this year. He is overpaid, but that's done. Trading him for other overpaid player like Snell is just plain ignorant.

For now, more than likely not.

What's ignorant, is you not seeing the forest from the trees. It's not about Snell (lacks confidence, defensive aptitude is mostly theoretical and a 2.5, not the more needed 3.5), it's about the pick and roster balance.

Would you rather the likes of Aminu, Ariza, Carroll for the MLE next off season or a younger type, a pick, a stopgap PG and paving the way for Aldridge and Gay to move back to their modern positions? I'll take the latter.

My favorite feasible Gasol trade though, is still him and Cunningham (eligible December 15th) for Harkless, Leonard and a lottery protected 1st.

[Chinook]

Snell is a poisonous contract. There's no benefit to acquiring him for a pick. The Spurs aren't rebuilding. They don't need cap space next year, but they shouldn't sell it for future value

[tbdog]

I wouldn't trade Gasol for Ariza or Carrol or Aminu or Snell. You can't talk about balance when we have 3 rotational bigs in the team. If we had all our guards, then a guard should be traded for a wing. But we lost 3 guards. So there goes that plan.

[NASpurs]

https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/1051891019388608513

[NASpurs]

https://twitter.com/tim_cato/status/1051896213493170176

[phxspurfan]

Spurs will be looking to make trades all year now. They will have to at least explore given the MASH unit they trot out already.

[Dex]

https://twitter.com/tim_cato/status/1051896213493170176

Dodged a bullet, tbh.

As thin as the PG position is right now, an over-the-hill, trigger-happy Crawford was not the solution.

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/1051891019388608513

thanks God

[r0drig0lac]

The Clippers have traded Wes Johnson to the Pelicans for Alexis Ajinca, per league sources. @TheAthleticNBA @WatchStadium

[bklynspursfan]

Oh Daniel...

1051900825977511946

[phxspurfan]

Oh Daniel...

1051900825977511946

He may be right. Siakam would be our starting SF and 4th best player. While there he is behind Leonard, Green, Anunoby etc

[bklynspursfan]

He may be right. Siakam would be our starting SF and 4th best player. While there he is behind Leonard, Green, Anunoby etc

Not talking about this year's Spurs team of course, but that 13-14? Idk.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

He may be right. Siakam would be our starting SF and 4th best player. While there he is behind Leonard, Green, Anunoby etc

Toronto has a ton of talent. I think the Spurs of '14 were pretty stacked and had more top tier talent, but Toronto has a very talented bunch. They should challenge Boston...probably should have beat Cleveland last year if their nutsacks hadn't shriveled facing Lebron. They should have one game one, and after choking away that game, they progressively folded after that.

[TD 21]

At PG, Frazier or Evans probably make the most sense. They should be looking at Reed (possible 3 and D wing) on a two-way though. Suns will trade or waive today.



Snell is a poisonous contract. There's no benefit to acquiring him for a pick. The Spurs aren't rebuilding. They don't need cap space next year, but they shouldn't sell it for future value

That's going too far. He's a youngish, 3 and (mostly theoretical) D wing. They generally either have currency or are one decent season away from regaining it. Look no further than the perception of Carroll and Bazmore two seasons ago compared to last season.

At the very least, they're re-loading. The more picks and prospects they accumulate, the better the chance of striking gold either with them or in a package for something of significance. What the Raptors just pulled is an extreme example, but an example all the same.




I wouldn't trade Gasol for Ariza or Carrol or Aminu or Snell. You can't talk about balance when we have 3 rotational bigs in the team. If we had all our guards, then a guard should be traded for a wing. But we lost 3 guards. So there goes that plan.

After this season, Aldridge and Poeltl will more than likely comprise the center rotation for the foreseeable future. Sure, it would be ideal to have better depth than Metu and Eubanks, but that's not a big enough issue to supersede the pick and roster balance at positions where it's more important to have depth nowadays.

[Leetonidas]

Oh Daniel...

1051900825977511946

By seasons end he gonna the guy that's not playing when they realize his shot is broken and his offense is non existent

[NASpurs]

Future Spur Tim Frazier

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1051928219719413760

[Dverde]

Future Spur Tim Frazier

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1051928219719413760

we can call him Tiny Tim.

[NASpurs]

Future Spur Jodie Meeks

Wait, so Jodie Meeks + second round pick + cash to Milwaukee for what exactly? And he's getting cut?

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1051933224623136770

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1051933781538627584

[Dverde]

Oh Daniel...

1051900825977511946

Danny already playing for that next contract...