official offseason thread

[Mugen]

I say the Sours finish 32-50 tbh, but it should be a much more enjoyable season than last. Hopefully they move the vets by the trade deadline for something.

Should only be 72 games in the reg season this year bruh but I wouldn't be surprised if Pop coaches em up to an extra 10 losses tbh.

[GAustex]

^lol

[Atl Spur]

They’ll be better than 500 barring injuries

[GAustex]

I think close to or better than .500. Just cause of a commitment to defense-hopefully

[Robz4000]

Should only be 72 games in the reg season this year bruh but I wouldn't be surprised if Pop coaches em up to an extra 10 losses tbh.

Forgot about det tbh. I'll say they go 27-45 instead.

[Down Under]

Adams got a 2 yr $35mil extension. At double Poeltl's salary, I think we got pretty good value.

[SpurPadre]

The point kind of is regardless of being a “bad” team or not. Let’s say SA is not a terrible team but are within 3-6 games of 8th at deadline?

To me, if you aren’t taking winning at least somewhat seriously you should absolutely be prioritizing your future more. The concern is that LMA value only decreases the longer Sa waits. I don’t see many paths to his value rising.

I understand. However, it must be noted that PATFO did actively try to trade LMA on draft night. Granted, only to one team but that's the first time they've tried to do that in the PATFO era. It just so happens this is coming off the end of their historic playoff streak in which they were most often than not contenders. This is unchartered territory for them. We can't forget how much damage Leonard and Uncle has caused this franchise. That doesn't absolve PATFO of mistakes made, especially in regards to how much leash they gave scrubs like Forbes while he was on the team. But they were dealt a really bad hand by the most selfish and unethical star player in the sport's history and it hasn't been easy digging out of that deep hole. I think we need to see how this plays out in the months ahead before deeming them as utter failures in long term planning. But I get where you're coming from.

[lmbebo]

Guessing teams might see LA or DDR as potential buy out candidates depending on things progress this year...

[gambit1990]

Adams got a 2 yr $35mil extension. At double Poeltl's salary, I think we got pretty good value.
i'd rather be paying adams.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/espn/status/1331104004139466752?s=19

Best 2 guard for now. Wait for Vassell.

[gambit1990]

Cousins to Houston is interesting. I wonder what they plan on doing with Harden considering he said he wants out, and no one wants Westbrook :lol Spurs should offer LMA/DeRozan/White/1st for Harden and Tucker imo. benefits both teams, even though i despise harden
DAF also suggested trading for harden.

but i give that a HUGE fück no. harden will ring eventually. but never as a #1 option.

why give up la, demar, white, and a 1st for a coward? :lol especially when you can give up much less for westbrook.

demar + murray for westbrook + pj tucker >>> la + demar + white + a 1st for harden + tucker

[Degoat]

I know people are upset that we didn’t move LMA or Demar, but there will be a bunch of desperate teams at the trade deadline that look to make a championship push, I could totally see Miami, Bucks, Nets, Celtics, mavericks, 76ers try to improve there championship chances by trading for one of our vet guys

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/RealTomPetrini/status/1331107776693723138?s=19

[gambit1990]

it is NOT often that a superstar is available. and russ didn't even have a bad season last year :lol

whoever lands him will ultimately be ecstatic because they won't even have to give up a bunch to get him.

[gambit1990]

i'd rather trade for wall + 1st round picks than trade for harden.

[Prime BEEF]

Cousins to Houston is interesting. I wonder what they plan on doing with Harden considering he said he wants out, and no one wants Westbrook :lol Spurs should offer LMA/DeRozan/White/1st for Harden and Tucker imo. benefits both teams, even though i despise harden
Would rather have Westbrook than Harden. DDR/Murray/Gay for Westbrook/Tucker could work out

[R. DeMurre]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20229609/nba-free-agents-team-team-lists-2020-2021

I'm wondering what players people are looking at for the 2021 free agent season. I just don't see any of the major FAs considering San Antonio: Giannis, LeBron, Kawhi, PG, Gobert, etc... next level guys like Oladipo don't seem like big enough difference makers. Chris Paul will be too old. John Collins, Jonathan Isaac?
Looking at the landscape, it feels like a trade for a major upgrade is a more likely path than a free agent signing.

[tbdog]

John Collins would be Spurs number 1 after Greek freak rejects them.

[gambit1990]

My dude wall sucks. Fake healthy superstar all the way. :lol
i don't want wall to be a spur. but i value the wizards' 1st round picks over harden.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20229609/nba-free-agents-team-team-lists-2020-2021

I'm wondering what players people are looking at for the 2021 free agent season. I just don't see any of the major FAs considering San Antonio: Giannis, LeBron, Kawhi, PG, Gobert, etc... next level guys like Oladipo don't seem like big enough difference makers. Chris Paul will be too old. John Collins, Jonathan Isaac?
Looking at the landscape, it feels like a trade for a major upgrade is a more likely path than a free agent signing.

I said the same thing. Isaac, Markkannen and Collins would be my targets. Doesn't make sense to offer the max to players 32 and over. Most of the known superstars are on the decline and new ones will emerge.

[RC_Drunkford]

i'd rather be paying adams.

I wonder what would happen on this message board if we had Adams, traded Aldridge and then LA drops 40 on Adams every time we play against him :lol

[bluebellmaniac]

Vegas has Spurs wins at 31. More or less ST and surprised at total or no?

The new guys won't be as great as we'd want this first year, so we take a hit on wins. But it will be reduced # of games also. Combined, that's a good estimate. The season after, we could hit 50+ depending if the next 1st rounder plays significant minutes or not.

[Nivek_ogre]

i'd rather be paying adams.

Adams is horrible. If he was even average the thunder would have won against the rockets. He literally did nothing except jog up and down the court.

[KobesAchilles]

Would rather have Westbrook than Harden. DDR/Murray/Gay for Westbrook/Tucker could work out
I’m on the same mind of thought as you and Gambit. Westbrook would fit with our team tremendously well. We would have to get rid of DDR of course, but a tough leader like Westbrook who shows the young guys how hard they should be working, who is able to drive and kick, and still has stiff left in the tank. The dude dragged shit in OKC to the playoffs, I have no doubt he could do if for us this year. If playoffs really is the Spurs goal.

[DPG21920]

I understand. However, it must be noted that PATFO did actively try to trade LMA on draft night. Granted, only to one team but that's the first time they've tried to do that in the PATFO era. It just so happens this is coming off the end of their historic playoff streak in which they were most often than not contenders. This is unchartered territory for them. We can't forget how much damage Leonard and Uncle has caused this franchise. That doesn't absolve PATFO of mistakes made, especially in regards to how much leash they gave scrubs like Forbes while he was on the team. But they were dealt a really bad hand by the most selfish and unethical star player in the sport's history and it hasn't been easy digging out of that deep hole. I think we need to see how this plays out in the months ahead before deeming them as utter failures in long term planning. But I get where you're coming from.

What I’m saying is I don’t think Sa truly tried. They no doubt shopped him and DDR and I thought the tide had truly turned. I am frankly shocked DDR is here to be honest and said as much. I thought it was 99% sure. But evidently DDR got spooked by perceived lack of interest in FA (which imo was wrong; he would have gotten paid like Hayward or close) and opted in.

SA “shopped” but asked for so much in return that it was never realistic these guys were moved. They were willing to trade but only if the package was so lopsided in their favor they could not say no. That’s because the thought of losing even 5-10 more games without lma or DDr was so unpalatable even though they added nothing to push the win total higher either.

Had nothing to do with taking on a deal that might hurt cap space some and more to do with a FO stuck firmly in the middle.

[MoSpur02]

Can the Spurs trade for Collins from Atlanta? Not sure they need all the PFs they have signed and the one the drafted from USC.

[Sugus]

What I’m saying is I don’t think Sa truly tried. They no doubt shopped him and DDR and I thought the tide had truly turned. I am frankly shocked DDR is here to be honest and said as much. I thought it was 99% sure. But evidently DDR got spooked by perceived lack of interest in FA (which imo was wrong; he would have gotten paid like Hayward or close) and opted in.

SA “shopped” but asked for so much in return that it was never realistic these guys were moved. They were willing to trade but only if the package was so lopsided in their favor they could not say no. That’s because the thought of losing even 5-10 more games without lma or DDr was so unpalatable even though they added nothing to push the win total higher either.

Had nothing to do with taking on a deal that might hurt cap space some and more to do with a FO stuck firmly in the middle.

Just a question, Dude, do you have any source on this whatsoever? Or are you talking straight out your ass? As far as I'm aware, no reports came out on Spurs' demands in trade scenarios, not even vague ones like "yeah they're asking for a lot...". Seems like you're just assuming that no trades went down because of that.

Anyways, back to studying.

[Thomas82]

What I’m saying is I don’t think Sa truly tried. They no doubt shopped him and DDR and I thought the tide had truly turned. I am frankly shocked DDR is here to be honest and said as much. I thought it was 99% sure. But evidently DDR got spooked by perceived lack of interest in FA (which imo was wrong; he would have gotten paid like Hayward or close) and opted in.

SA “shopped” but asked for so much in return that it was never realistic these guys were moved. They were willing to trade but only if the package was so lopsided in their favor they could not say no. That’s because the thought of losing even 5-10 more games without lma or DDr was so unpalatable even though they added nothing to push the win total higher either.

Had nothing to do with taking on a deal that might hurt cap space some and more to do with a FO stuck firmly in the middle.

Man, it's just sickening how much PATFO overvalue their players.

[Bojo]

I’m on the same mind of thought as you and Gambit. Westbrook would fit with our team tremendously well. We would have to get rid of DDR of course, but a tough leader like Westbrook who shows the young guys how hard they should be working, who is able to drive and kick, and still has stiff left in the tank. The dude dragged shit in OKC to the playoffs, I have no doubt he could do if for us this year. If playoffs really is the Spurs goal.

Westbrook is no different to Derozan in the sense that he will demand way too many possesions.

Problem is, with Demar, there is at least light evidence that he might be content with taking a back seat next year (although probably taking over in crunchtime). Westbrook wants to be traded to a team where he can be as dominant as he's been with OKC the last few years. Plus that contract.

All in all - hard pass. I'd much rather have them go for a try with the bubble crew and Samanic & Vassel instead of getting themselves into a new albatross contract situation.

[Prime BEEF]

I’m on the same mind of thought as you and Gambit. Westbrook would fit with our team tremendously well. We would have to get rid of DDR of course, but a tough leader like Westbrook who shows the young guys how hard they should be working, who is able to drive and kick, and still has stiff left in the tank. The dude dragged shit in OKC to the playoffs, I have no doubt he could do if for us this year. If playoffs really is the Spurs goal.
Yup agreed. If you do the ddr/Murray/Gay for Westbrook/Tucker trade it actually meshes really well with the young players on the roster. Getting rid of DDR and Murray makes room for KJ and Vassell to get minutes. Tucker fills a serious need at PF and Westbrook does exactly what you said. His aggressiveness and defense will help kJ, Vassell, Walker, and white to get better and have that killer instinct. Think the below team would compete very well and you’d have Mills, LMA, Tucker and Lyles expiring contracts worth around $53M to work with in the offseason. Still won’t happen but I do think the Greek freak would more inclined to join this team then the one we currently have.

PG-westbrook, Jones
SG-White, Walker, Mills
SF-KJ, Vassell
PF-Tucker, Lyles
C-LMA, Poetl, Eubanks

[B1gduff]

Damn so many dumb fucks on this board..

Fucken trading wall and 1st..fucken no once wall and a 1st round pick ain't worth that contract

Same with HArden. IF people wanted him they be more than willing...but it happening

Same with Westbrook

To many damn Dumbass on here.

[Nivek_ogre]

Can't believe people still want Westbrook. Would help if you watched some basketball games other than the Spurs. He's awful.

[Leetonidas]

Harden is a legit superstar player. Anyone who would prefer Westbrook or John Wall over him is nuts. And anyone who would even want Westbrook or Wall who hasn't played in two years is even more nuts.

[Rummpd]

Spurs need to trade but avoid Wall, Westbrooke and Harden. Each has issues and it is not accident last two have been traded or moved or don't get along with teammates. Living in DC you do not want Wall who at his best was the fastest player in the league but never developed as he could of and then wants to bail at team that supported him. No thanks. Brick is all about stats. Harden could be the best of the lot as some said he stepped up his defense recently but he freezes an entire teams offense and will stunt development of the team. That being said he is the best of the lot.

[Ignazzz]

Can the Spurs trade for Collins from Atlanta? Not sure they need all the PFs they have signed and the one the drafted from USC.
I dont think so. John Collins is 2nd best player there more then solid. What is Your offer? White?

[Light]

Westbrook and Harden have come up short in the playoffs time after time... don't we already have a version of that in Demar?

[Collins21]

[QUOTE=Sugus;10349761]Just a question, Dude, do you have any source on this whatsoever? Or are you talking straight out your ass? As far as I'm aware, no reports came out on Spurs' demands in trade scenarios, not even vague ones like "yeah they're asking for a lot...". Seems like you're just assuming that no trades went down because of that.

Anyways, back to studying.

I don't think he's making this up. I think he has a source that's feeding him bullshit. I know people that work for an NBA team and although they have no inner knowledge of the spurs some of the stuff that gets passed a long here they laugh at. He was wrong about DeMar being gone no matter what and now it seems like he keeps doubling down on it because of it.

[MoSpur02]

I dont think so. John Collins is 2nd best player there more then solid. What is Your offer? White?

Well they traded for Capella, signed Danilo, and drafted that guy from USC who all play the same position as Collins. Supposedly the Hawks don’t want to or can’t see signing him to the extension Collins wants.

[The Truth #6]

There was a time to trade and it seems like it has mostly passed. If LMA and DD both play well, then will this give the FO more reason to trade them or actually less? I'm not holding my breath for a trade, personally. I just hope these two players don't take up too many minutes that should go to younger players.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Well they traded for Capella, signed Danilo, and drafted that guy from USC who all play the same position as Collins. Supposedly the Hawks don’t want to or can’t see signing him to the extension Collins wants.

He wants the max. Do you want to trade assets for him and then sign him at the max? He's nowhere near worth what he wants.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/josh47___/status/1331285066887131143?s=19

Funniest thing you'll hear today about the Spurs

[RC_Drunkford]

I thought people here want to win titles? Why are y'all talking about trading for Westbrook then?

[Rummpd]

There was a time to trade and it seems like it has mostly passed. If LMA and DD both play well, then will this give the FO more reason to trade them or actually less? I'm not holding my breath for a trade, personally. I just hope these two players don't take up too many minutes that should go to younger players.


With Pop expecting minutes to go to deserving young and promising players over decrepit Vets?

[R. DeMurre]

I dont think so. John Collins is 2nd best player there more then solid. What is Your offer? White?


Well they traded for Capella, signed Danilo, and drafted that guy from USC who all play the same position as Collins. Supposedly the Hawks don’t want to or can’t see signing him to the extension Collins wants.


He wants the max. Do you want to trade assets for him and then sign him at the max? He's nowhere near worth what he wants.

Hawks are stuck in a classic dilemma now, with two guys in Collins and Young who put up big flashy offensive numbers and aren't too impressive on the defensive end, to put it mildly. Both guys will expect max contracts despite combining to lead the Hawks to one of the worst records in the NBA. Collins would be scary in between LeBron & AD, but in almost any other situation I just see a scenario like the Hawks, & a team that's pretty average. This is why I was opposed to drafting Toppin-- I see the same future for him.

[KobesAchilles]

I thought people here want to win titles? Why are y'all talking about trading for Westbrook then?
We ain’t winning titles :lol And we ain’t out tanking the bad teams either. I don’t mind making the playoffs and losing in the early rounds as long as we are exciting to watch. Ice and D-Rob 90s years are looked at very fondly even tho we never made it to the Finals or won a chip. Tim Duncan isn’t walking through those doors again.

I would take on Westbrook, and actually living here in Houston, I did see him play and he was awesome before he got Corona. Dude was putting up insane numbers and leading the Rockets to wins. The fact that they were in the mix for the 3rd seed shows how awesome he was playing considering nobody was taller than 6’5 in the line up.

[Dex]

https://twitter.com/josh47___/status/1331285066887131143?s=19

Funniest thing you'll hear today about the Spurs

"Spurs lost Belinelli"

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[DPG21920]

Just a question, Dude, do you have any source on this whatsoever? Or are you talking straight out your ass? As far as I'm aware, no reports came out on Spurs' demands in trade scenarios, not even vague ones like "yeah they're asking for a lot...". Seems like you're just assuming that no trades went down because of that.

Anyways, back to studying.

1) no I do not personally have any direct sources.

2) there were reports last year that sas asking price was insane

3) people I trust with sources have told me various things that shape this opinion of mine

[Prime BEEF]

I thought people here want to win titles? Why are y'all talking about trading for Westbrook then?
Titles? lol. The current team is nowhere near that. Even if ddr and LMA walk and we overpay for Collins and another player in the off-season, that team is also nowhere near titles.

As is, the spurs won’t make the playoffs...probably finish 10th in west. If you made a DDR/Murray/Gay for Westbrook/Tucker trade the spurs should make the playoffs (probably 5-6th seed) and would likely lose in the 2nd round. That’s really what we’re talking about here. No playoffs or 2nd round loss with an exciting tough team.

If the team wants to win now and at the same time grow the young guys this trade does that. The team will no doubt win more games and getting rid of DDR opens up valuable minutes for the young wings. You’d also have $53M open up at the end of the season. Assuming the team wants to win more games and grow the young players...this works.

saying all that, I obviously know that the FO isn’t going to do shit and what we have now is what we’ll have during the season.

[Prime BEEF]

We ain’t winning titles :lol And we ain’t out tanking the bad teams either. I don’t mind making the playoffs and losing in the early rounds as long as we are exciting to watch. Ice and D-Rob 90s years are looked at very fondly even tho we never made it to the Finals or won a chip. Tim Duncan isn’t walking through those doors again.

I would take on Westbrook, and actually living here in Houston, I did see him play and he was awesome before he got Corona. Dude was putting up insane numbers and leading the Rockets to wins. The fact that they were in the mix for the 3rd seed shows how awesome he was playing considering nobody was taller than 6’5 in the line up.
Yes exactly. I’d take 90s spurs with an exciting team over a constant annual loop of finishing 8-12 in the west every year.

[K...]

People get so bent out of shape with the fact that pop loves DeRozan and LMA. Just accept it.

[BackHome]

Sorry I hate Westbrook his basketball team IQ is zero the guy has never seen a shot he doesn’t like and he listens to no one. No way if Poop is coaching the team would we even entertain the idea of bringing him into the fold.

[Dex]

People get so bent out of shape with the fact that pop loves DeRozan and LMA. Just accept it.

People around here consistently bitched about Tony and Manu for years. Hell, even Tim caught flack in his later years when many posters just wanted him to retire (well before 2013 and 2014 when he proved them wrong).

If three Hall of Fame players can't please everyone, this new generation has no chance.

[Sugus]

1) no I do not personally have any direct sources.

2) there were reports last year that sas asking price was insane

3) people I trust with sources have told me various things that shape this opinion of mine

I see. Well, you know I fucks with you, my Dude, but you're being a bit disingenuous here in your quest for tarnishing the FO and its moves (or lack thereof). The strategy that the team approached FA with last season doesn't (necessarily) have anything to do with the one they employed this season - and by all reported accounts, it wasn't, so that's a moot point already. And I want to know, since I tend to agree with Collins21 on this one, are these "people you trust with sources" the same ones that guaranteed you that DeMar was absolutely on the way out, whether he picked up the PO or not? It'd be good to know, since you kind of have to cut off the people with visibly untrustworthy sources. They were wrong on the DeMar thing, and I wouldn't trust them blind-faced on this one either, especially when no other reports or rumors have come out about the Spurs' asking price being too high. By all known accounts, they were very eager to trade and some teams had mutual interest, which means it couldn't've been that high an asking price.

On a more overarching point, I also don't agree with your view that the Spurs not making big trades signals their settlement into mediocrity, but that's a discussion for another day, I think.

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[Prime BEEF]

People get so bent out of shape with the fact that pop loves DeRozan and LMA. Just accept it.
Acceptance and liking it are two very very different things. I accept the fact that pop loves him some DDR but I don’t like it. I actually don’t mind LMA. Not a fan of DDR, Murray, Mills, Gay

[GAustex]

Remember that time in the playoffs agin the Thunder
Westbrook took the last shot to win the game
And bricked it off the top of the backboard
Good times...

[KobesAchilles]

People around here consistently bitched about Tony and Manu for years. Hell, even Tim caught flack in his later years when many posters just wanted him to retire (well before 2013 and 2014 when he proved them wrong).

If three Hall of Fame players can't please everyone, this new generation has no chance.
Bc none of these new generation guys are hall of famers. That’s why they don’t have a chance. Every superstar gets hate, that comes with the job description, but they’re winners bc they overcome. We lost our streak on their watch. And they whimpered like dogs for most of the season. FO, coaching, and players.

[Ignazzz]

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so no Giannis in Miami in Dream Team next year

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[mo7888]

so no Giannis in Miami in Dream Team next year

They can still create the room....but I think Giannis will take the super max in Milwaukee

[Dejounte]

Hmm we gonna hear a Derrick White extension today?

[DPG21920]

I see. Well, you know I fucks with you, my Dude, but you're being a bit disingenuous here in your quest for tarnishing the FO and its moves (or lack thereof). The strategy that the team approached FA with last season doesn't (necessarily) have anything to do with the one they employed this season - and by all reported accounts, it wasn't, so that's a moot point already. And I want to know, since I tend to agree with Collins21 on this one, are these "people you trust with sources" the same ones that guaranteed you that DeMar was absolutely on the way out, whether he picked up the PO or not? It'd be good to know, since you kind of have to cut off the people with visibly untrustworthy sources. They were wrong on the DeMar thing, and I wouldn't trust them blind-faced on this one either, especially when no other reports or rumors have come out about the Spurs' asking price being too high. By all known accounts, they were very eager to trade and some teams had mutual interest, which means it couldn't've been that high an asking price.

On a more overarching point, I also don't agree with your view that the Spurs not making big trades signals their settlement into mediocrity, but that's a discussion for another day, I think.

They are fine sources. I know this because they have been more right than wrong and because even before the reports of Spurs making trade noise they told me it was the case. I even posted it here that I knew for a fact Ddr was shopped.

Things changed. They ended up being wrong about ddr opting out; however I believe the explanation was plausible. DDR got spooked with regards to the interest in him via FA. Turns out he was wrong and likely would have been rewarded handsomely.

Now, that doesn’t change anything for Sa; in fact it should have been easier to trade him. However dueling forces (pop) and some others. Turns out they were only aggressively shopping in the context of blow us away and he’s yours.

I’m not doing anything. I’m more vocal than some others but even SniffVP is on this general train regarding direction and he’s got people he speaks with too. He may not agree/have heard all the details I did but we arrived at same conclusion. It’s not me trying to invent ways to bash SA.

They deserve bashing*

*in context. Overall Sa is in ok position. None of that changes the dynamics of what we are discussing though.

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I'm so old I remember when this guy was on of the names being bandied about as part of a Nephew trade. At least I think STcrew wanted him but the offer was Hart and Kuz. Either way, he is going to be making more than DRoz.

[Chinook]

Personally not sad Ingram is not a Spur I wanted him and a top-10 pick from a third team for Lonzo.

[Prime BEEF]

They can still create the room....but I think Giannis will take the super max in Milwaukee
Yup. This means he’s staying on the bucks. 2021 free agency looking not looking good for the spurs now. LBJ and AD are staying with LAL. Kawhitter and George are likely staying with LAC. The freak is staying with bucks. That leaves CP3, Holiday, Lowry, oladipo, gobert, DDR, LMA, Adams, Drummond, dinwiddie

Spurs having a ton of cap space won’t help much

[Ignazzz]

Yup. This means he’s staying on the bucks. 2021 free agency looking not looking good for the spurs now. LBJ and AD are staying with LAL. Kawhitter and George are likely staying with LAC. The freak is staying with bucks. That leaves CP3, Holiday, Lowry, oladipo, gobert, DDR, LMA, Adams, Drummond, dinwiddie

Spurs having a ton of cap space won’t help much
So we should try get DDR and LMA ;)

[Ignazzz]

Adams out of list. 2yrs extension done.

[Sugus]

They are fine sources. I know this because they have been more right than wrong and because even before the reports of Spurs making trade noise they told me it was the case. I even posted it here that I knew for a fact Ddr was shopped.

Things changed. They ended up being wrong about ddr opting out; however I believe the explanation was plausible. DDR got spooked with regards to the interest in him via FA. Turns out he was wrong and likely would have been rewarded handsomely.

Now, that doesn’t change anything for Sa; in fact it should have been easier to trade him. However dueling forces (pop) and some others. Turns out they were only aggressively shopping in the context of blow us away and he’s yours.

I’m not doing anything. I’m more vocal than some others but even SniffVP is on this general train regarding direction and he’s got people he speaks with too. He may not agree/have heard all the details I did but we arrived at same conclusion. It’s not me trying to invent ways to bash SA.

They deserve bashing*

*in context. Overall Sa is in ok position. None of that changes the dynamics of what we are discussing though.

I wasn't really putting your sources' credibility in question (I trust you're smart enough to check that yourself), just pointing out that just like they were wrong about the DeMar thing (and, just to be clear, the rumor you'd heard and posted about was that DeRozan was absolutely gone, whether he opted in or out, which certainly didn't happen). I really haven't heard anything about SA being too uptight in their demands, and it's pretty weird, because we did hear reports saying exactly that last season, as a justification of why trades didn't go down. So, if the same scenario took place, and two years in a row no less, why is the only source on this an anonymous source to an anonymous poster on an Internet forum? Again, legitimate question, not an attack on your sources. Just weird to me.

I was surprised when I read that article that you're mentioning for timvp, because the direction of the franchise seems to be quite clear. Yes, they could've traded their "big" assets for picks or other prospects (technically, they still can, until the trade deadline at the seasons' start), but other than that, they've been pretty clear in the lining up of their signed contracts and moves. It's a clear strategy that they're banking on one last year of vet mentorship for the growth and development of their young players, and then "handing them the keys" in '21-22 whilst using the massive cap space to try and lure a FA that will compliment the core, or at worst, absorb bad contracts with picks attached and continue the process. I was perplexed that Tim didn't think this was a "strategy" whatsoever... You can like it or not, but it's far from a mystery, IMO.

[TD 21]

The Spurs wouldn't touch Westbrook and to a lesser extent Wall with a 10 foot poll and don't have the requisite centerpiece asset required to get into the discussion for Harden. Plus, it'd take a truly overwhelming offer to prevent a team from trading a superstar out of conference.

The only damaged goods star who could make sense for their predicament is Griffin. He obviously needs to stay relatively healthy and prove close to form for a while, but they could offer DeRozan and Gay for him and Musa at the deadline or more likely in the off season by signing and trading DeRozan straight up.



Well they traded for Capella, signed Danilo, and drafted that guy from USC who all play the same position as Collins. Supposedly the Hawks don’t want to or can’t see signing him to the extension Collins wants.

Capela and Okongwu are C's, Collins and Gallinari are PF's.

They might start the season trying to shoehorn the latter into SF, but there's clearly a combustible situation brewing between that and the three young wings who went from prominent roles to scraps, which'll by exacerbated if the Kings don't match the Bogdanovic offer sheet.

[The Truth #6]

What FAs have we ever landed? Finley and LMA? One every ten years? Both nice at the time, but not a viable strategy.

I think a better strategy is cap space to absorb contracts to get picks, but that doesn’t seem to be happening. SO...let’s hope for internal development. BUT overpaying Jakob is going to be something we regret. Should have let him walk is my thought if we couldn’t trade LMA. We are a guard team and should have kept that money for other players or, again, cap space.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1331349832116695042?s=19

Can't this guy gain any muscle? I guess muscles aren't everything when he can take a beating every game from setting screens. Must have good functional strength.

[Dejounte]

Looking forward to the Lonnie-Poetl tandem. Sometimes it's reminiscent of Kobe passing to Gasol. Lonnie is the only one right now capable of finding Poetl's spots (all in the inside lol)

[Collins21]

I wasn't really putting your sources' credibility in question (I trust you're smart enough to check that yourself), just pointing out that just like they were wrong about the DeMar thing (and, just to be clear, the rumor you'd heard and posted about was that DeRozan was absolutely gone, whether he opted in or out, which certainly didn't happen). I really haven't heard anything about SA being too uptight in their demands, and it's pretty weird, because we did hear reports saying exactly that last season, as a justification of why trades didn't go down. So, if the same scenario took place, and two years in a row no less, why is the only source on this an anonymous source to an anonymous poster on an Internet forum? Again, legitimate question, not an attack on your sources. Just weird to me.

The whole DeRozan thing just rubs me the wrong way. To me there were ne legit sources pointing this out it was just his sources reading the tea leaves of reports already put out. Like i said i'm not calling him a liar but i have a hunch that hsi source is a person who wanted DeRozan gone at all cost and just combined reading the tea leaves to come up with that premise. Fair or not when you come on a forum peacocking like you know a players is gone no matter what Nd then that doesn't happen then it looks pretty bad.

I was surprised when I read that article that you're mentioning for timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8), because the direction of the franchise seems to be quite clear. Yes, they could've traded their "big" assets for picks or other prospects (technically, they still can, until the trade deadline at the seasons' start), but other than that, they've been pretty clear in the lining up of their signed contracts and moves. It's a clear strategy that they're banking on one last year of vet mentorship for the growth and development of their young players, and then "handing them the keys" in '21-22 whilst using the massive cap space to try and lure a FA that will compliment the core, or at worst, absorb bad contracts with picks attached and continue the process. I was perplexed that Tim didn't think this was a "strategy" whatsoever... You can like it or not, but it's far from a mystery, IMO.

[Sugus]

What FAs have we ever landed? Finley and LMA? One every ten years? Both nice at the time, but not a viable strategy.

I think a better strategy is cap space to absorb contracts to get picks, but that doesn’t seem to be happening. SO...let’s hope for internal development. BUT overpaying Jakob is going to be something we regret. Should have let him walk is my thought if we couldn’t trade LMA. We are a guard team and should have kept that money for other players or, again, cap space.

I was away and studying while the whole Poeltl debacle was going down, so I might not have all the context, but how is he overpaid? I thought his signing was just a bit above market value. Or did posters believe we were going to retain him at what, 5M? Especially seeing all the deals being signed this off-season, and taking into account Poeltl's projection into starting C beginning next season most likely, why would you say he's overpaid?

E: aside from that, agree with you. Building through the draft and internal growth will be the Spurs' best path to contention.

[Dejounte]

Poeltl played in 66 games for the Spurs last season, including 18 starts, averaging 5.6 points, a career-high 5.7 rebounds, 1.8 assists and a career-best 1.44 blocks while shooting 62.4 percent from the field in 17.7 minutes. After the NBA restart in July, Poeltl contested the second-most shots in the league (114) while starting all eight contests and averaging 8.3 points, 8.1 rebounds and 1.38 blocks in 25.8 minutes. He had a block in 14 straight games from January to February, the longest streak by a Spur last season.

https://www.nba.com/spurs/news/spurs-re-sign-jakob-poeltl

Spurs trying to hype up Poetl. Impressive stat, though. He truly has potential to be a defensive anchor. If he can improve even more on the defensive end, he can take care of any wing or guard being funneled to him as designed by the defensive system.

[Dejounte]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_akxoB6f1LQ

Good video of Poetl's impact on defense. Shows how Morant was less effective with Poetl in the paint than when Eubanks was in.

[Sugus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_akxoB6f1LQ

Good video of Poetl's impact on defense. Shows how Morant was less effective with Poetl in the paint than when Eubanks was in.

Good video! Really backs up what I see in Poeltl's interior defensive presence. Oh, by the way, I watched that video on Vassell that you rec'd me the other day! Some pretty interesting stuff. I still don't buy into the hype of him being more than a high-end 3-and-D player in his prime, but I'd be glad to be wrong. Also, I'm working through those PM's... Time isn't abundant these days. Lol.

[The Truth #6]

I actually like Jakob. And I think his skill set is what we need. But next year he will be a backup center and that’s more than we should pay for someone in that role. If LMA wasn’t around, then I think it makes more sense.

As for market value, I would say that it’s a quantifiable term but not especially helpful. The FO has a reputation for being smart, and so that typically means not getting sucked into a frenzy of throwing money at non-star free agents like the market does. Yes, every other team does this, but most teams do regrettable things. And I don’t see how people here can brag about the FO being so smart if they do exactly what everyone else does, at least in this situation.

Also, with the pandemic and the likelihood of plummeting income, this seemed like a time to be conservative and save that money for someone else. But maybe Caterpillars are selling like hot cakes?

In summary: they didn’t trade LMA, they signed Eubanks, and then signed Jakob. Those are three decisions all made around the center position. We now have 3 centers! And now we’re combing the scrap heap for combo forwards, our greatest need.
I appreciate the FO’s loyalty to our players in general, and I understand the exponential learning curve it takes to play here, which is a challenge for most new players, but the FO needs to take a direction. Or better, and this is something they never do and we consider to be normal, but they communicate nothing to the fans as far as what direction we are headed. And so we speculate.

[TD 21]

I actually like Jakob. And I think his skill set is what we need. But next year he will be a backup center and that’s more than we should pay for someone in that role. If LMA wasn’t around, then I think it makes more sense.

As for market value, I would say that it’s a quantifiable term but not especially helpful. The FO has a reputation for being smart, and so that typically means not getting sucked into a frenzy of throwing money at non-star free agents like the market does. Yes, every other team does this, but most teams do regrettable things. And I don’t see how people here can brag about the FO being so smart if they do exactly what everyone else does, at least in this situation.

Also, with the pandemic and the likelihood of plummeting income, this seemed like a time to be conservative and save that money for someone else. But maybe Caterpillars are selling like hot cakes?

In summary: they didn’t trade LMA, they signed Eubanks, and then signed Jakob. Those are three decisions all made around the center position. We now have 3 centers! And now we’re combing the scrap heap for combo forwards, our greatest need.
I appreciate the FO’s loyalty to our players in general, and I understand the exponential learning curve it takes to play here, which is a challenge for most new players, but the FO needs to take a direction. Or better, and this is something they never do and we consider to be normal, but they communicate nothing to the fans as far as what direction we are headed. And so we speculate.

But Aldridge is more than likely gone in a season, so what's the difference and what was the alternative? Most of the quality C's either went to good teams and/or teams where they'd be guaranteed significant minutes. Good luck getting anyone of quality to sign the inexpensive, one year contract, to play about a third of a game, on a mediocre team, that many seemingly had their hopes up for.

Off the top of my head, only the Cavaliers, Rockets, Bucks, Knicks and Kings don't have three C's at the moment and obviously that can/will change. Meanwhile, most teams are "combing the scrap heap for combo forwards".

Hopefully Johnson being bigger/stronger isn't just a figment of our collective imagination and he can credibly defend most big wings.

[BackHome]

I am confused for months on end I was getting bashed for wanting old school Centers “If they can’t shoot they not staying in the league, If they don’t have a 3 ball game they are Dinosaurs” So what changed?

Either way I am OK with the signing with the understanding that Poodle is our backup Center for the next couple of years or at least until he can hit a wide open mid range or 3 ball shot

[The Truth #6]

But Aldridge is more than likely gone in a season, so what's the difference and what was the alternative? Most of the quality C's either went to good teams and/or teams where they'd be guaranteed significant minutes. Good luck getting anyone of quality to sign the inexpensive, one year contract, to play about a third of a game, on a mediocre team, that many seemingly had their hopes up for.

Off the top of my head, only the Cavaliers, Rockets, Bucks, Knicks and Kings don't have three C's at the moment and obviously that can/will change. Meanwhile, most teams are "combing the scrap heap for combo forwards".

Hopefully Johnson being bigger/stronger isn't just a figment of our collective imagination and he can credibly defend most big wings.

This is cool. I unwittingly baited you into an optimistic outlook. Nice.

I’m ok with LMA and Eubanks next year given that LMA is still on the team. If the FO can finally trade LMA and DD off the team for a better future I’m ok with too. Jakob is a good fit but unproven for playing more than about 28 minutes a game.

[PhantomDashCam]

I was away and studying while the whole Poeltl debacle was going down, so I might not have all the context, but how is he overpaid? I thought his signing was just a bit above market value. Or did posters believe we were going to retain him at what, 5M? Especially seeing all the deals being signed this off-season, and taking into account Poeltl's projection into starting C beginning next season most likely, why would you say he's overpaid?

E: aside from that, agree with you. Building through the draft and internal growth will be the Spurs' best path to contention.

Hope the studying going well mate, hard to concentrate on work at times with the draft/FA news coming fast through the week.

I can't echo the sentiments of all posters, but the concern about Poeltl's contract is more to do with the current construction of the roster and the potential implications going forward.
There are certain "squeezes" bound to occur at various positions that are magnified further when player's such as Gay, Mills, DDR, LA and Poeltl project as one dimensional/one true position pieces on the court.
All these players, except perhaps for Mills, are expected to occupy the court for at least 20-24 of the 48 minutes of court time next season. LA and Poeltl can no longer play together it seems; and we have a good indication of all the other player's listed and their abilities as we have watched them for 2+ seasons together.

Poeltl walking would have been devastating to the Spurs in the short term, especially next season; however if the Spurs are far from contending status, do the ramifications really impact the Spurs ability to contend (in say my earliest estimates), 3 years time?

It would have forced the Spurs to be creative in obtaining an abled replacement, most likely at the expense of another veteran occupying one of the said position via trade;
also with the potential to acquire future assets (perhaps even one of the multitude of 2020 picks that were available), cap space and valuable data on some of the young player's games going forward.

My biggest concern for this season: the Spurs finish as a top 3 seed in the West (very possible, I expect them to come out of the gates strong), yet are clearly not at a contender's level; miss out on a key lottery pick for next year, resign the veterans to one year deals (as they feel they are close to winning it all), decline further in 2022 - and some of the youngn's have walked as a result of mismanaged court responsibilities.
That's very much a worse case scenario and TBF I actually like what the Spurs succession plan appears to be, but they have confounded me before.
Marco, Brynn overplays - Dejounte/D.White not playing together 'til season was basically lost etc.

I think this is where some of the trepidation of the best of both worlds (contend/rebuild) plan comes into focus for me.

[ace3g]

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Oklahoma City will create a $19.5M trade exception with the Danilo Gallinari sign-and-trade to Atlanta. The Thunder also have a $27.5M trade exception from the Steven Adams trade to New Orleans.
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Oklahoma City will create a $19.5M trade exception with the Danilo Gallinari sign-and-trade to Atlanta. The Thunder also have a $27.5M trade exception from the Steven Adams trade to New Orleans.
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:lmao they're gonna get even more picks

[RC_Drunkford]

Yup. This means he’s staying on the bucks. 2021 free agency looking not looking good for the spurs now. LBJ and AD are staying with LAL. Kawhitter and George are likely staying with LAC. The freak is staying with bucks. That leaves CP3, Holiday, Lowry, oladipo, gobert, DDR, LMA, Adams, Drummond, dinwiddie

Spurs having a ton of cap space won’t help much

maybe they will go after DeRozan and Aldridge in Free agency

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1331400298515075076?s=19

Patty rubbing off on DJ? Look at that good teammate. Who says vets aren't important? Who says building character isn't important? Need more of that good vibes we have here.

[r0drig0lac]

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Oklahoma City will create a $19.5M trade exception with the Danilo Gallinari sign-and-trade to Atlanta. The Thunder also have a $27.5M trade exception from the Steven Adams trade to New Orleans.
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wow

[tonight...you]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1331400298515075076?s=19

Patty rubbing off on DJ? Look at that good teammate. Who says vets aren't important? Who says building character isn't important? Need more of that good vibes we have here.
A team that cares: Cares for each other and how they go about business can elevate talent to a degree.
Talent is the true trump card, but giving a shit about each other and the team is what elevates everything.
From the singular to the totality.
2014 is the proof.

[The Truth #6]

I like it!

[NASpurs]

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[Chinook]

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I was one of those people who couldn't believe the Spurs took White over Bell. I came around pretty early compared to some STers, but it just seemed like the obvious need at the time. They did a good job there, though I think Bell has a career in the league still.

[ace3g]

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The Hawks and Bogdan Bogdanovic have been notified that the Kings will not be matching Atlanta's four-year, $72 million offer to the restricted free agent, league sources say Danilo Gallinari, Rajon Rondo, Kris Dunn and Bogdanovic to the Hawks in an eventful offseason

[Chinook]

I don't love the Hawks' off-season. They signed a bunch of JAGs to long-term deals.

[Sugus]

Hope the studying going well mate, hard to concentrate on work at times with the draft/FA news coming fast through the week.

I can't echo the sentiments of all posters, but the concern about Poeltl's contract is more to do with the current construction of the roster and the potential implications going forward.

(...)



Thanks for the well wishes. Interesting post. Yeah, I see the logic behind most of the criticism regarding Jak's contract - I just fundamentally disagree that the price he's being paid is so much above his market rate as to call him "overpaid". Especially when we know for a fact that he had at least 2 other teams making offers at him, besides the Spurs. I think a lot of posters don't really see what Poeltl brings to the table, nor how important he is to the rest of our young core. While losing him would definitely force the FO into more unconventional and "creative" ways, I don't think it would be a positive, nor his production easily replaced.

I also don't agree that the sentences "worse case scenario" and "Spurs finish top 3 seed in the West" can be strung together... Any scenario where the Spurs make the playoffs, let alone get a top seed, is an overachievement considering our current roster, and would probably only be possible by huge leaps from one or more of our young players. That's more of a best case scenario to me... But I doubt it happens. I'm also rooting for a timely tank next season - contending teams are mostly lead by versatile wings, and that's exactly what we're lacking - and what the top of the '21 draft is apparently made of. But I don't trust the Spurs to full-out tank, so we better hope DD and LMA show some game at the beginning of the season, and some underachieving teams get desperate, tbh.

[tonight...you]

I don't love the Hawks' off-season. They signed a bunch of JAGs to long-term deals.
You're quite right, but they are certainly going to be an interesting team to pay attention to.

[tonight...you]

Not only are they getting more picks but they can also absorb some bad contracts out there.... Chips aren't the only indicator of a Good GM. This guy is the Dumbledore of Nba Trades and manipulating the cap.... Fucking Presti... There wasn't some dude working for Sam that the Spurs could have courted..... a Presti Protege.... we ended up with Urkle from Detroit.......
He has to be related to BOOOBFORD.....by marraige by adoption... sumthin...
My ignorance may be showing, but... what is a "Dumbledore"?

Edit: Oh! Harry Potter. Makes sense. I've never watched the movies, or read the novels.
Right on.

[rankingtear]

Not only are they getting more picks but they can also absorb some bad contracts out there.... Chips aren't the only indicator of a Good GM. This guy is the Dumbledore of Nba Trades and manipulating the cap.... Fucking Presti... There wasn't some dude working for Sam that the Spurs could have courted..... a Presti Protege.... we ended up with Urkle from Detroit.......
He has to be related to BOOOBFORD.....by marraige by adoption... sumthin...

Troy Weaver Sam Presti's protege is the GM of Detroit now, he drafted 3 unathletic players and gave 20 million to Jerami Grant and 9 million to Mason Plumlee and 4 mil of dead money for 5 years. LOL

[gambit1990]

Adams is horrible. If he was even average the thunder would have won against the rockets. He literally did nothing except jog up and down the court.
he struggled because he wasn’t used to a swarming, small ball defense.

and TBH, the refs weren’t used to it either. lotta missed calls.

[Prime BEEF]

maybe they will go after DeRozan and Aldridge in Free agency
Ha yeah. Wouldnt surprise me if the FO gave both of them deals similar to Hayward.

[PhantomDashCam]

I also don't agree that the sentences "worse case scenario" and "Spurs finish top 3 seed in the West" can be strung together... Any scenario where the Spurs make the playoffs, let alone get a top seed, is an overachievement considering our current roster, and would probably only be possible by huge leaps from one or more of our young players. That's more of a best case scenario to me... But I doubt it happens. I'm also rooting for a timely tank next season - contending teams are mostly lead by versatile wings, and that's exactly what we're lacking - and what the top of the '21 draft is apparently made of. But I don't trust the Spurs to full-out tank, so we better hope DD and LMA show some game at the beginning of the season, and some underachieving teams get desperate, tbh.

After San Antonio pushed Denver to 7 games in the 2019 playoffs, I believe the FO thought they would continue to ascend up the standings (perhaps a spot or 2) to put themselves in contention to win a 1st round series in 2020 and continue building from there.
The attempted Morris signing suggested that was probably the case too.
If they are treating the prior season as an aberration on the projected curve, could see them thinking they are a top 4 seed in West this year.

When you look at the major players in the West, apart from the Lakers, not sure the others got better and in some cases got worse.
Some media experts project Portland as the 2nd best team in the West now.

I expect all our young players to improve, coupled with contract year motivations from several players (Mills went on record recently saying he has yet to peak); the rosters’ cohesion and together-ness etc. - and it could very well lead to a big year.

Under those circumstances, I wonder whether they are still entertaining trades, or are they thinking of resigning those players?

Not rooting for a tank per se, but I thought there would be enough data to suggest that a LA/DDR built team was not a long term winner.
Poeltl is not a great fit with DDR and unplayable with LA.

Looking forward to the season though, here’s hoping the young guys start to push through in a way similar to the 2002, 2003 seasons. :tu

[Atl Spur]

Our defense and athleticism will be the difference this go round; we can switch everything!

[bluebellmaniac]

Our defense and athleticism will be the difference this go round; we can switch everything!

They'll have to learn the defensive schemes first, not a simple task. It'll be built on some losses for sure, but that's the price to be paid.

[Prime BEEF]

If a spurs trade to Atlanta for Collins were to happen, what would it need to look like money/player wise? Would it need to be a sign and trade?

DDR and Murray for Collins and reddish would fit what both teams seem to be trying to do but not sure how the money would need to be adjusted. Atlanta is overloaded at the PF position now and I don’t see why they’d do that unless they didn’t want to sign Collins to a big contract and are planning on trading him.

[exstatic]

I’m all aboard the Westbrook for DDR and Gay train.

F no. Westbrook is damaged goods. Once you have the meniscus removed, the knee is a ticking time bomb. He’s on the DWade degrading knee path.

[exstatic]

That's fucking depressing. I'd take Baynes any day of the week over Poetl.

Baynes can easily be played off the floor, when push comes to shove. He can’t switch shit.

[exstatic]

he struggled because he wasn’t used to a swarming, small ball defense.

and TBH, the refs weren’t used to it either. lotta missed calls.

That’s the new NBA.

[exstatic]

Even in the 2021 free agency class, there aren't any players who will move the needle. Do you want to pay 30 million for Gobert or a 32-year old Paul George? I don't. Spurs need Lonnie to develop into a superstar, he's the only young guy who has the potential to become a real franchise player. The sooner the better. White can be a 3rd option, so can Vassell if everything pans out. Keldon might be able to be a legit 2nd option. The jury is still out on Dejounte. Internal improvement is the only way for this team to get back to contention. Maybe add a Jonathan Isaac or Markannen at PF, but next offseason won't be special either.

In today’s NBA cap and economy? I’d pay Gobert $30M, in about ONE SECOND. He’s a three time All NBA player, and a four time All Defense player. He’s an elite rim protector on defense, and an elite rim runner on offense.

[exstatic]

It's been narrowing by the day, but the team still has options. I'm not concerned about the tax line because the team can buyout one of their vets at deadline to get under the line, if they find themselves within a couple million of relief. Plus there is the possibility that the Spurs would take back less money in a trade.

I don't think any of this is likely to be super exciting, but I don't think there is reason to be too concerned about the tax line right now.

Buying out a contract is not a one way deal. The player can just say no.

[exstatic]

I say the Sours finish 32-50 tbh, but it should be a much more enjoyable season than last. Hopefully they move the vets by the trade deadline for something.

There are only 72 games this year.

[Excessive Egotist]

Buying out a contract is not a one way deal. The player can just say no.

Sure, but most will make the money back by signing a new contract with a contender. Mills, Gay, Aldridge, and DeRozan would all make up what they give up on a short term deal with a contender. It's not conceivable that those players would not get offers on the open market.

[Chinook]

Sure, but most will make the money back by signing a new contract with a contender. Mills, Gay, Aldridge, and DeRozan would all make up what they give up on a short term deal with a contender. It's not conceivable that those players would not get offers on the open market.

Yeah. There's be some set-off to factor in as well. Even if they don't agree to give up a cent, signing deals should get the Spurs some savings. It wouldn't be a lot if they were min deals, but if they were portions of the MLE, then the Spurs could clear a couple million.

[Excessive Egotist]

Yeah. There's be some set-off to factor in as well. Even if they don't agree to give up a cent, signing deals should get the Spurs some savings. It wouldn't be a lot if they were min deals, but if they were portions of the MLE, then the Spurs could clear a couple million.

I don't think the Spurs will go into the tax because there isn't a compelling reason to do so. But if they did receive a trade offer or if there was an opportunistic low dollar free agent available that pushed them over the line, then they should because they can get back under by deadline. But good trade offers are apparently not coming and the market is pretty dry. Maybe take a flier on Shaq Harrison? He's solid, but would cut into the developmental minutes of our backcourt.

[Excessive Egotist]

Next big storyline of the offseason is Popovich. Will he emphasize development or run offense through vets? Will he insist on Stretch Aldridge, which would bolster LA's trade value? Etc...

**edit** I don't think there needs to be sharp divide between "development" and still appropriately utilizing vets. But it's also the case that Popovich can prioritize, say, shots and minutes for younger players in a way that de-emphasizes the prominence of Aldridge and DeRozan.

The Stretch Aldridge stuff from that Memphis game (mid December) and after and DeMar the Ball Mover from the bubble is an offense that would still heavily involve LA and DeMar, but differently than the 2018-19 run and the beginning of last season. I'm hopeful we see iterations of that kind of offense.

[BillMc]

With the season starting in a month, are there any televised scrimmages or pregames for us to look forward to? When will we next have the opportunity to actually witness basketball on the court in some form? Thanks.

[exstatic]

Sure, but most will make the money back by signing a new contract with a contender. Mills, Gay, Aldridge, and DeRozan would all make up what they give up on a short term deal with a contender. It's not conceivable that those players would not get offers on the open market.

None of those players would make the money back. Contenders are normally tax payers or nearly so. They only want to pay a prorated portion of the vet min for deadline releases.

In a normal season, the time from the buyout deadline to the end of the season is about a month and a hal, or roughly 1/4 of the season. If you take one quarter of each of their salaries,you can see why it could be a problem for them to recoup the money.

The Spus won’t put themselves into that position,anyway. They never put themselves into a position where they MUST shed salary, because other teams areawAre of that, and gain leverage with that knowledge, forcing the inclusion of cash or an asset.

[exstatic]

With the season starting in a month, are there any televised scrimmages or pregames for us to look forward to? When will we next have the opportunity to actually witness basketball on the court in some form? Thanks.

In years past, they haven’t televised pre season games. They televised some of the scrimmages from the bubble, though, to work out any kinks. They may do a couple of preseason games, for the same reason. Makes sure that their protocols are working and workable.

[Excessive Egotist]

None of those players would make the money back. Contenders are normally tax payers or nearly so. They only want to pay a prorated portion of the vet min for deadline releases.

Even so, there is value to a buyout from a lottery team (Spurs) for the opportunity to sign with a contender for a title run. Maybe the Spurs aren't willing to take the risk I assume they would if they had a good reason to, but I doubt they have worries about finishing in the tax. It's not too difficult to get out.

The other thing is that, aside from the four vets listed above, if Lyles shoots well this season, he'll have trade value, Poeltl has trade value now, one of White or Murray might have to move, depending on how Vassell looks, Spurs could move Walker for something. In short, there is tons of flexibility to make moves to get better while staying under the tax line.

I agree with you that the Spurs will not finish the season in the tax. That is certain. I'm only arguing that there is plenty of time and ways to make sure that doesn't happen.

[mo7888]

None of those players would make the money back. Contenders are normally tax payers or nearly so. They only want to pay a prorated portion of the vet min for deadline releases.

In a normal season, the time from the buyout deadline to the end of the season is about a month and a hal, or roughly 1/4 of the season. If you take one quarter of each of their salaries,you can see why it could be a problem for them to recoup the money.

The Spus won’t put themselves into that position,anyway. They never put themselves into a position where they MUST shed salary, because other teams areawAre of that, and gain leverage with that knowledge, forcing the inclusion of cash or an asset.

Contenders will pay the tax if they really think they are contending. Any small discount our guys take they'll get back. Its the same principle with some on here saying GS would never use their TE because of the tax... they did...other contenders will as well...(especially since we are talking about a relatively small amount)

[Robz4000]

There are only 72 games this year.


Forgot about det tbh. I'll say they go 27-45 instead.

[Excessive Egotist]

I'll take the over on the Spurs, assuming Vegas settles around 30 wins. Two reasons. First, they won't tank, despite Cade Cunningham being world's better than any of their free agent options. Second, it's really hard to see them winning less than 27 or 28 games. They have a hard floor. Their ceiling, on the other hand, is deceptively high. If anyone of their young players, or more than one of their young players, evolve into better players, 35 wins is totally possible. Imagine Keldon Johnson and Lonnie Walker both over performing 2019, for example.

Still, I hope we don't finish with better than the 6th worst record. Lottery odds for the 5th and 6th worst record are still decent. The only teams I'd slate as a lock to finish with a worst record than us are New York, Cleveland, Oklahoma City, and Detroit.

Best outcome: unexpectedly competitive while still finishing in the middle of the lottery odds (and hope to get lucky from there). A player like Scottie Barnes, Jonathan Kuminga, or BJ Boston should be available in the middle of the lottery.

[Sugus]

After San Antonio pushed Denver to 7 games in the 2019 playoffs, I believe the FO thought they would continue to ascend up the standings (perhaps a spot or 2) to put themselves in contention to win a 1st round series in 2020 and continue building from there.
The attempted Morris signing suggested that was probably the case too.
If they are treating the prior season as an aberration on the projected curve, could see them thinking they are a top 4 seed in West this year.

When you look at the major players in the West, apart from the Lakers, not sure the others got better and in some cases got worse.
Some media experts project Portland as the 2nd best team in the West now.

I expect all our young players to improve, coupled with contract year motivations from several players (Mills went on record recently saying he has yet to peak); the rosters’ cohesion and together-ness etc. - and it could very well lead to a big year.

Under those circumstances, I wonder whether they are still entertaining trades, or are they thinking of resigning those players?

Not rooting for a tank per se, but I thought there would be enough data to suggest that a LA/DDR built team was not a long term winner.
Poeltl is not a great fit with DDR and unplayable with LA.

Looking forward to the season though, here’s hoping the young guys start to push through in a way similar to the 2002, 2003 seasons. :tu

Oh, so you meant that the Spurs achieving a really high seed would be a "worse case scenario" since it could trick the FO into settling for mediocrity and extending DD-LMA? Yeah, I could see it - though I personally think there's no way that's happening. Both the awful regular season last year, with embarrassing losses all around whilst heavily featuring the vets, and the impressive bubble, with good wins heavily featuring the youngings, have kickstarted the youth movement irreparably, IMO, and even then - any scenario where the Spurs are a top-3 seed, has to come at the hand of vast improvements to one or more of the youngings' games. Be that Keldon, Lonnie, White or even Vassell having an explosive rookie season - we simply aren't sniffing such a good result on the shoulders of DD+ LMA alone.

I think the best case scenario is we start off strong, and LMA or DD show out some games before the trade deadline, and then we ship one of them out, and ride the other one for the rest of the season then let them walk. I don't really think a star core of DD+LMA will get us to the playoffs next season, but a core of just LMA OR DD definitely won't. So we get a nice top-10 pick in next years' draft, make a good use of the massive cap space we're gonna have, then roll into next season with a fully revamped roster. Sounds like a nice plan to me - hopefully the FO is thinking along these lines.

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Free agent center Hassan Whiteside has agreed to a one-year deal with the Sacramento Kings, sources tell ESPN.
4:48pm · 25 Nov 2020 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1331731440225177600) · Twitter Web App (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

[GAustex]

Whiteside should have had a better career. Bad attitude dude.

[PhantomDashCam]

Oh, so you meant that the Spurs achieving a really high seed would be a "worse case scenario" since it could trick the FO into settling for mediocrity and extending DD-LMA? Yeah, I could see it - though I personally think there's no way that's happening. Both the awful regular season last year, with embarrassing losses all around whilst heavily featuring the vets, and the impressive bubble, with good wins heavily featuring the youngings, have kickstarted the youth movement irreparably, IMO, and even then - any scenario where the Spurs are a top-3 seed, has to come at the hand of vast improvements to one or more of the youngings' games. Be that Keldon, Lonnie, White or even Vassell having an explosive rookie season - we simply aren't sniffing such a good result on the shoulders of DD+ LMA alone.

^ This. Absolutely agree.
If we are successful though, does the FO pull the trigger on a trade comfortable in said improvements of a young core; or do they attribute the majority of (potential) success attained to these vets and roll forward with them?
For example: I think DDR will have the best season of his career and will play at an all-star caliber level. The FO may have a tough time on making a decision; trading that level of production, letting him walk in FA...


I think the best case scenario is we start off strong, and LMA or DD show out some games before the trade deadline, and then we ship one of them out, and ride the other one for the rest of the season then let them walk. I don't really think a star core of DD+LMA will get us to the playoffs next season, but a core of just LMA OR DD definitely won't. So we get a nice top-10 pick in next years' draft, make a good use of the massive cap space we're gonna have, then roll into next season with a fully revamped roster. Sounds like a nice plan to me - hopefully the FO is thinking along these lines.

On board with this strategy for sure.
Looking forward to seeing how the season plays out.


Here's to 2021. :bobo

[Dejounte]

Remember when Hassan Whiteside was so coveted? When he was the shiniest flashiest commodity? How many Whitesides have fans here fallen for during past free agencies? I know very few of you will admit it, y'all have very short term memory for when you are wrong...

So many people are crying about overpaid free agents who will turn into Hassan Whiteside in a couple years.

[Dex]

Not really a surprise at this point, but Marco is going back to Italy: https://www.eurohoops.net/en/eurocup/1134091/marco-belinelli-reportedly-finalized-a-deal-with-virtus-bologna/

Thanks for 2014. Byeeeeeee!

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Carchia/status/1331991758012620802

[TimDunkem]

Crazy how the Spurs were giving a fringe player a starting role while his backup for the majority of the season is now out of the league.

As Lonnie and KJ sat.

[Atl Spur]

Crazy how the Spurs were giving a fringe player a starting role while his backup for the majority of the season is now out of the league.

As Lonnie and KJ sat.
So many layers to those type of decisions that don’t just involve talent.......

[GAustex]

Senility

[Sugus]

https://twitter.com/Carchia/status/1331991758012620802

This offseason getting better and better. I'm absolutely ready to finally enjoy watching some Spurs games, and not scream at the TV incessantly...

[adonis827]

Whiteside for the minimum is great value.

[CGD]

Crazy how the Spurs were giving a fringe player a starting role while his backup for the majority of the season is now out of the league.

As Lonnie and KJ sat.

Well clearly the situation has been rectified. It’s on the youngsters now to show they’re taken the steps needed.

[Excessive Egotist]

Training Camp Roster (so far)

Murray, White, Mills, Weatherspoon, Jones
Walker, Vassell
DeRozan, Johnson, Reynolds
Lyles, Gay, Samanic, Bates-Diop
Aldridge, Poeltl, Eubanks

Have I missed anyone?

[NASpurs]

That's some basic ass, no-one-cares type of send off. Good riddance. :lol

1332384325195730948

[mo7888]

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/11/24/myles-turner-celtics-pacers-gordon-hayward-sign-and-trade-nba-rumors-danny-ainge/

This is interesting ... So Boston didn't want Turner and couldn't find value to move him to a 3rd team in their talks...

[Excessive Egotist]

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/11/24/myles-turner-celtics-pacers-gordon-hayward-sign-and-trade-nba-rumors-danny-ainge/

This is interesting ... So Boston didn't want Turner and couldn't find value to move him to a 3rd team in their talks...

Turner is going to be very difficult to move given his contract. It's not a horrific number, but 17.5M is a lot to pay for a center who wouldn't play a lot of second half minutes in a playoff series. Too much money to tie up in the center position, unless the player that center is an all star. I'd rather have Poeltl at 9 than Turner at 17.5M.

[Chinook]

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/11/24/myles-turner-celtics-pacers-gordon-hayward-sign-and-trade-nba-rumors-danny-ainge/

This is interesting ... So Boston didn't want Turner and couldn't find value to move him to a 3rd team in their talks...

Yeah, Turner is a guy who it's easy to overrate because he's young, blocks shots and can hit the three. But he's not clearly better than Aldridge -- even defensively -- and he's way behind Poeltl in the impact stats people use to dismiss LMA. I think he could be a guy who's good enough where you don't complain about his contract. But he'll never be a good deal, and so many folks believed he was. To put it another way, Indy clearly chose Sabonis over him, and Sab is not that good either. I'd take him on the Spurs in a world where SA had lost Poeltl and was trading Aldridge. But you had Indy fans turning down 2 and cap space for Turner earlier in the off-season, and that was just insane.

[poopbox]

Turners problem has been being on a nate mcmillian coached team...which tend to not be very good offensively... Also him and Sabonis have pretty much the same strengths and weaknesses so whenever one has the ball the other is just standing around doing nothing...

Would trade him in a nanosecond for LMA and laugh in the Pacers face after I was done. He would be so much better here...or anywhere really...than he has been in Indiana...

[Chinook]

Nah, his problem has been that folks believed he'd get better and he didn't. That's not McMillan's fault since multiple players got better under him. Turner and Sabonis don't actually have overlapping games. They're just both centers who can't play PF, and Sabonis is better at being a center than Turner is.

Maybe he'd play better on another team, but it'd be because they hid his weaknesses, not because he's improving. That's the case with most player, and they're not being paid double the going rate of starting centers.

[R. DeMurre]

Turners problem has been being on a nate mcmillian coached team...which tend to not be very good offensively... Also him and Sabonis have pretty much the same strengths and weaknesses so whenever one has the ball the other is just standing around doing nothing...

Would trade him in a nanosecond for LMA and laugh in the Pacers face after I was done. He would be so much better here...or anywhere really...than he has been in Indiana...

Sabonis is one of the best assist bigs in the league, averaging 5 per game. That's not a skill Turner has. I wouldn't even say they're very close in terms of effect with regards to winning, with Turner being a net negative and Sabonis being a net positive. If anything, Sabonis might be even more effective if Turner wasn't there clogging up the floor. I'd love to have Sabonis on the Spurs-- Turner, not so much. I don't know if Turner is even better than Hassan Whiteside, who just signed for the minimum.

[XDT76]

Training Camp Roster (so far)

Murray, White, Mills, Weatherspoon, Jones
Walker, Vassell
DeRozan, Johnson, Reynolds
Lyles, Gay, Samanic, Bates-Diop
Aldridge, Poeltl, Eubanks

Have I missed anyone?

Tyler Zeller

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/Giannis_An34/status/1332985232895733763?s=19
Fiesta colors.

He would fit in perfectly as the 3.5 that we need.

White/ Tre Jones
Vassell/ Q
Keldon/ Lonnie
Giannis/ Luka/ KBD
Poetl/ Eubanks

If some of the youngsters have to go in a S&T, so be it. Just not Keldon, please.

[JuneJive]

Celts are well positioned to take on LMA with their recently created TPE.

Spurs get a pick and no additional dead weight.

LMA gets to fight for a ring and make the Celts an even more prominent contender.
And after the season he can move on to POR if that was what he was wishing all along.

Celts get a shot at a title ( btw the TPE must be used within a year of its creation. )

Win-win-win scenario for both the Spurs and the Celtics and also for LMA.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Celts are well positioned to take on LMA with their recently created TPE.


Celtics got nothing for Hayward. They couldn't complete a sign and trade. They've just lost him for nothing.

[JuneJive]

Celtics got nothing for Hayward. They couldn't complete a sign and trade. They've just lost him for nothing.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1333148058322923520?s=19

[Dejounte]

Celts are well positioned to take on LMA with their recently created TPE.

Spurs get a pick and no additional dead weight.

LMA gets to fight for a ring and make the Celts an even more prominent contender.
And after the season he can move on to POR if that was what he was wishing all along.

Celts get a shot at a title ( btw the TPE must be used within a year of its creation. )

Win-win-win scenario for both the Spurs and the Celtics and also for LMA.

Sounds more like a mid season deal than a before the season one. If theyre competing by mid season, that could be what the Celtics would do if theyre at the top of the standings.

[tonight...you]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1333148058322923520?s=19
I wonder how much the TE is for?

[Seventyniner]

I wonder how much the TE is for?

If Charlotte is just absorbing Hayward's deal into cap space, I believe the TE is for the amount of Hayward's first year salary.

[tonight...you]

If Charlotte is just absorbing Hayward's deal into cap space, I believe the TE is for the amount of Hayward's first year salary.
Thanks boss.

[mo7888]

I wonder how much the TE is for?

$27.9M which is the largest in league history

[tonight...you]

$27.9M which is the largest in league history
Wow!

[exstatic]

Tyler Zeller

They will cut him rather than pay the tax. Only a matter of time.

[CGD]

$27.9M which is the largest in league history

They can sign multiple players with it right? They just can’t aggregate with other TEs they may have to get a bigger figure (I believe I read they had a 5M one also). Not that they need to aggregate, that’s huge!

[CGD]

So Boston’s options are:

1. Absorb player(s) now-ish to make a playoff push, moving a small asset out

2. Absorb dead salary in exchange for assets from other teams

3. Wait for next years draft to use it opportunistically around then

[mo7888]

They can sign multiple players with it right? They just can’t aggregate with other TEs they may have to get a bigger figure (I believe I read they had a 5M one also). Not that they need to aggregate, that’s huge!

I believe your correct...

[Dejounte]

I dont think their goal would be to use it to get multiple players. Their roster is really full.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

So Boston’s options are:

1. Absorb player(s) now-ish to make a playoff push, moving a small asset out

2. Absorb dead salary in exchange for assets from other teams

3. Wait for next years draft to use it opportunistically around then

If they want to avoid paying the tax ( barring other trades ), they can't use the whole TE, but about $15-16 mil from it. I think they'll look for a wing that might fit, otherwise keep the TE for the time being, maybe looking for someone around the trade deadline.

Not sure about waiting for next season, as they already have a lot of salaries committed with Tatum's extension kicking in.

[venitian navigator]

LMA for something like Theis (last year contract) , R. Williams (barely playing for them) plus in case contracts like Grant Williams or Ojeleje for avoiding for them lux tax purposes and one or 2 of their 21 first draft picks? Seems win win...

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1334142779853852674?s=19

Primadonna

[Dex]

https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1334142779853852674?s=19

Primadonna

Obviously Kawhi is a supreme talent....borderline MVP when he is actually healthy and chooses to be on the court.

But I am not at all surprised that Pop and the rest of the team got tired of this shit.

There is also further vindication in the fact that he is still struggling with the tendinopathy (which the Spurs properly diagnosed) nearly three years later. Spurs didn't want to give the super max to a guy who is only going to play 50 games and may not survive a long playoff run when you don't have the option to manage your load.

Kawhi even had the benefit of sitting out 5 months before the playoffs, and was still hobbled by Game 7 of the WCSF.

[BillMc]

https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1334142779853852674?s=19

Primadonna

And the Kawhi krew got angry when Pop said Nephew was not a leader.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1334190262395002882?s=19

Please retire and be an assistant coach instead, Patty.

[Sugus]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1334190262395002882?s=19

Please retire and be an assistant coach instead, Patty.

We are for sure not trading this guy, lmao. Makes sense tbh... He'll probably take a nice paycut, having gotten the bag in advance, and retire in a few years to stay with the FO. Can't say I'm too mad about it, as long as we keep on the Bubble scheme of not giving him playing time whatsoever.

[DPG21920]

If they want to avoid paying the tax ( barring other trades ), they can't use the whole TE, but about $15-16 mil from it. I think they'll look for a wing that might fit, otherwise keep the TE for the time being, maybe looking for someone around the trade deadline.

Not sure about waiting for next season, as they already have a lot of salaries committed with Tatum's extension kicking in.

Agree. They may not use it but it was worth it. And they can send out money (or look for a player in range you mentioned)

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Houston has agreed to trade Russell Westbrook to Washington for John Wall and a first-round pick, sources tell ESPN.
6:55pm · 2 Dec 2020 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1334300248743813125) · Twitter Web App (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

[r0drig0lac]

Wizards get better

[CGD]

Seems like a fair swap, though if I’m WAS that pick better have protections.

[Dejounte]

Seems like a fair swap, though if I’m WAS that pick better have protections.

It does.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1334307601841070080?s=19

Pretty much a meaningless pick

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1330966343307280384?s=20https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1330966343307280384?s=20

Not a great look for the Wizards.

[Robz4000]

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1330966343307280384?s=20https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1330966343307280384?s=20

Not a great look for the Wizards.

:lol they hyped him up to try to trade him, this is nothing new

[Seventyniner]

Yeah, that's one way to get rid of a terrible contract: take on a different one.

The Wiz still have a reason to tank for 6 years. Here's to them putting up 140-135 losses that are hella fun to watch.

And the Beal trade demand clock just started ticking...

[cd98]

Wall gets traded but Spurs can’t get a trade for LMA or DDR? Wall was untradable.

[Leetonidas]

Wall gets traded but Spurs can’t get a trade for LMA or DDR? Wall was untradable.

You're assuming the Spurs are legitimately trying to trade them tbh

[Mr. Body]

You're assuming the Spurs are legitimately trying to trade them tbh

Serioiusly doubt they are, or were. I can't imagine them seeing how to improve the team by taking on longer term contracts for younger, worse players. The plan is more likely to see how the early season goes and get them to contending teams if the Spurs aren't going anywhere.

[exstatic]

Wall gets traded but Spurs can’t get a trade for LMA or DDR? Wall was untradable.

:lol. Shitty bloated SuperMax contract for shitty bloated Supermax contract.

[Atl Spur]

Serioiusly doubt they are, or were. I can't imagine them seeing how to improve the team by taking on longer term contracts for younger, worse players. The plan is more likely to see how the early season goes and get them to contending teams if the Spurs aren't going anywhere.

This! Sometimes holding tight keeps you from becoming all these other shitty franchises!

[ace3g]

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Targeted NBA deadline for players to be waived and eligible for postseason rosters: April 9, sources said.


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The NBA is targeting March 25 for its 2020-21 season trade deadline, pending Board approval, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). The All-Star break is scheduled for March 5-10.


2:18pm · 3 Dec 2020 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1334592877884813319) · TweetDeck (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

[Dejounte]

To all you Selena fans out there:

Selena Gomez no longer a Spurs fan :(

https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/2020/12/2/22112110/jimmy-butler-selena-gomez-couple-dating-rumor-bulls

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Good bye SA legend. I'll be Dreaming Of You just like your song.

[Prime BEEF]

Murray/Walker/DDR to bulls for LaVine/OPJ think that works for both teams. Get a young elite exciting scorer (yes his D is bad but so is DDRs) and finally get a legit 3&D that can guard 3/4. OPJ contract ends after this season so can sign him for cheaper or have a ton of open $$$ to make a run at the Greek Freak.

PG-White/Jones
SG-LaVine/Vassell
SF-OPJ/KJ
PF-Lyles/Gay
C-LMA/Poetl

Think this roster would actually make the playoffs and potentially make the 2nd rd. Yes, I know the FO isn’t making any more moves

[Chinook]

I mean it's an awful deal.

[Sugus]

Murray/Walker/DDR to bulls for LaVine/OPJ think that works for both teams. Get a young elite exciting scorer (yes his D is bad but so is DDRs) and finally get a legit 3&D that can guard 3/4. OPJ contract ends after this season so can sign him for cheaper or have a ton of open $$$ to make a run at the Greek Freak.

PG-White/Jones
SG-LaVine/Vassell
SF-OPJ/KJ
PF-Lyles/Gay
C-LMA/Poetl

Think this roster would actually make the playoffs and potentially make the 2nd rd. Yes, I know the FO isn’t making any more moves

No way Chicago does that.

[Atl Spur]

No way we do that��������. You guys are underestimating what real defense can do for a team.....Miami’s roster isn’t better than ours but they thrived! We can play big or small now with depth.

[SpurSpike]

So here is an interesting trade i ran across on a Nets fansite.

https://nothinbutnets.com/2020/12/02/nets-this-spencer-dinwiddie-spurs-trade-could-work/

Basically its trading DeRozan and a future 2nd round pick for Dinwiddie and a future 1st round pick. Dinwiddie is basically a slightly younger DDR, so would fit better with our youth movement.

Not sure how these things work other than salaries have to match and they don't, Dinwiddie makes around 11 million/year...(Do picks work as salary filler, is that why we would also get a 1st round pick?). The 1st round pick probably doesn't mean much to the nets as they will be in win now mode. Dinwiddie has a player option next year so we have the chance he opts in or signs with the Spurs but even if he leaves at worst we still got a 1st round pick and a year of Dinwiddie for DDR.

[Prime BEEF]

I mean it's an awful deal.
True. Chicago probably wouldn’t do that deal. LaVine>DDR...and OPJ>Murray or Walker

would probably have to add in draft pick

[Chinook]

True. Chicago probably wouldn’t do that deal. LaVine>DDR...and OPJ>Murray or Walker

would probably have to add in draft pick

Lavine is awful, and OPJ is basically. This is definitely a Gambit special

[Mr. Body]

So here is an interesting trade i ran across on a Nets fansite.

https://nothinbutnets.com/2020/12/02/nets-this-spencer-dinwiddie-spurs-trade-could-work/

Basically its trading DeRozan and a future 2nd round pick for Dinwiddie and a future 1st round pick. Dinwiddie is basically a slightly younger DDR, so would fit better with our youth movement.

Not sure how these things work other than salaries have to match and they don't, Dinwiddie makes around 11 million/year...(Do picks work as salary filler, is that why we would also get a 1st round pick?). The 1st round pick probably doesn't mean much to the nets as they will be in win now mode. Dinwiddie has a player option next year so we have the chance he opts in or signs with the Spurs but even if he leaves at worst we still got a 1st round pick and a year of Dinwiddie for DDR.

Dinwiddie is a clutch, ballsy player. Not sure how he fits in the youth movement, though.

[Prime BEEF]

Lavine is awful, and OPJ is basically. This is definitely a Gambit special
Umm no. Way off on both

[Chinook]

Umm no. Way off on both

Yeah no, bro. Lavine is not even close to a good player. I don't dislike Porter, but he and Lavine aren't even neutral value together. I have this as a clear, clear loss for SA.

[Robz4000]

:lmao people actually think Lavine is a good player?!

[pad300]

True. Chicago probably wouldn’t do that deal. LaVine>DDR...and OPJ>Murray or Walker

would probably have to add in draft pick

Dude, whatever your drinking (paint thinner or whatever), stop it. It's screwing up your judgement to the point where you're gonna end up saying "Hold my beer" and killing yourself doing something stupid...

[Mr. Body]

DeRozan has actually lead a team not only into the playoffs but pretty deep. Lavine hasn't done anything.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

So here is an interesting trade i ran across on a Nets fansite.

https://nothinbutnets.com/2020/12/02/nets-this-spencer-dinwiddie-spurs-trade-could-work/

Basically its trading DeRozan and a future 2nd round pick for Dinwiddie and a future 1st round pick. Dinwiddie is basically a slightly younger DDR, so would fit better with our youth movement.

Not sure how these things work other than salaries have to match and they don't, Dinwiddie makes around 11 million/year...(Do picks work as salary filler, is that why we would also get a 1st round pick?). The 1st round pick probably doesn't mean much to the nets as they will be in win now mode. Dinwiddie has a player option next year so we have the chance he opts in or signs with the Spurs but even if he leaves at worst we still got a 1st round pick and a year of Dinwiddie for DDR.

Nets have another move in them, however, there's no way they're moving any asset before they're 100% sure they can't get Harden. A trade such as Dinwiddie, Prince and a 1st for DDR would make them better but they just won't do it now. They'll keep their ammo for Harden.

[UnWantedTheory]

Umm no. Way off on both

No, he isn't. You are though.

[R. DeMurre]

I'd like the Dinwiddie & pick deal for DeRozan even though it muddles up the guard situation for the Spurs. If Brooklyn threw in Rodions Kurucs (6'9" hustle player) too that'd make it even better. Both contracts are easily flippable if they don't pan out (Dinwiddie @ 11.4mil, Kurucs @ 1.8mil). Dinwiddie must be a happy guy nowadays-- he's been a high profile Bitcoin advocate for a few years now, so his cryptocurrency accounts have made him a helluva lotta money in the last year.

[Mr. Body]

Nets have another move in them, however, there's no way they're moving any asset before they're 100% sure they can't get Harden. A trade such as Dinwiddie, Prince and a 1st for DDR would make them better but they just won't do it now. They'll keep their ammo for Harden.

I have no idea why they'd go for Harden. I see a lot of issues between KD and Kyrie as it is.

[Mr. Body]

I'd like the Dinwiddie & pick deal for DeRozan even though it muddles up the guard situation for the Spurs. If Brooklyn threw in Rodions Kurucs (6'9" hustle player) too that'd make it even better. Both contracts are easily flippable if they don't pan out (Dinwiddie @ 11.4mil, Kurucs @ 1.8mil). Dinwiddie must be a happy guy nowadays-- he's been a high profile Bitcoin advocate for a few years now, so his cryptocurrency accounts have made him a helluva lotta money in the last year.

I would start Dinwiddie next to White and shop Dejounte (which I suspect they are discretely doing already), who I don't think fits very well. Probably not pull the trigger just yet; but then Dinwiddie can also come off the bench and has some leadership and big clutch attributes.

I like Kurucs.

[SpurSpike]

Nets have another move in them, however, there's no way they're moving any asset before they're 100% sure they can't get Harden. A trade such as Dinwiddie, Prince and a 1st for DDR would make them better but they just won't do it now. They'll keep their ammo for Harden.

I'm pretty sure at this point that Harden is staying in Houston. I read that he requested or approved the John Wall trade, so if Houston is doing the things that show they are still in contention I don't see Harden leaving.

[lefty]

:lmao people actually think Lavine is a good player?!

Would have dropped 30 ppg in the 90s in iso era against Ehlo and Starks :lol

[Seventyniner]

I'm pretty sure at this point that Harden is staying in Houston. I read that he requested or approved the John Wall trade, so if Houston is doing the things that show they are still in contention I don't see Harden leaving.

Did you just put "John Wall" and "in contention" in the same sentence??

[SpurSpike]

Did you just put "John Wall" and "in contention" in the same sentence??

Well, i'm not saying he will be great or anything but my point is that Houston has not shown signs of blowing up the team which is what they would do if they were to get rid of Harden. Wall seems to be the next player Houston wants to try pairing with Harden and Harden seems to be on board with the signing. Who knows maybe Wall needed a change of scenery and will do well in Houston? Its a long shot on Houston's part but maybe the only shot they had to try to contend for another year. If this doesn't work though, Houston is fucked.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Well, i'm not saying he will be great or anything but my point is that Houston has not shown signs of blowing up the team which is what they would do if they were to get rid of Harden. Wall seems to be the next player Houston wants to try pairing with Harden and Harden seems to be on board with the signing. Who knows maybe Wall needed a change of scenery and will do well in Houston? Its a long shot on Houston's part but maybe the only shot they had to try to contend for another year. If this doesn't work though, Houston is fucked.

They can't blow it up because they own their 2021 pick 1-4 protected to OKC.

[Seventyniner]

Well, i'm not saying he will be great or anything but my point is that Houston has not shown signs of blowing up the team which is what they would do if they were to get rid of Harden. Wall seems to be the next player Houston wants to try pairing with Harden and Harden seems to be on board with the signing. Who knows maybe Wall needed a change of scenery and will do well in Houston? Its a long shot on Houston's part but maybe the only shot they had to try to contend for another year. If this doesn't work though, Houston is fucked.

Ok, that's fair. Lots more teams think they are in contention than actually are, and it makes sense that Houston thinks so because they have one of the few legit MVP candidates in the league.

[Drom John]

Yeah no, bro. Lavine is not even close to a good player. I don't dislike Porter, but he and Lavine aren't even neutral value together. I have this as a clear, clear loss for SA.

FiveThirtyEight Raptor WAR

89T 3.3 DeMar DeRozan
108T 2.8 Deandre Ayton, Dwight Howard, Zach Lavine, Kelly Oubre Jr., Tomas Satoransky
119T 2.5 LaMarcus Aldridge

LaVine rates
+1.2 Offense slight drop from +1.3 the previous year, -0.7 two years ago and +0.8 three years ago.
-1.4 Defense big improvement over -2.3 the previous year, -2.3 two years ago and -2.4 three years ago.

[R. DeMurre]

FiveThirtyEight Raptor WAR

89T 3.3 DeMar DeRozan
108T 2.8 Deandre Ayton, Dwight Howard, Zach Lavine, Kelly Oubre Jr., Tomas Satoransky
119T 2.5 LaMarcus Aldridge

LaVine rates
+1.2 Offense slight drop from +1.3 the previous year, -0.7 two years ago and +0.8 three years ago.
-1.4 Defense big improvement over -2.3 the previous year, -2.3 two years ago and -2.4 three years ago.

If you ever want to see a lot of in-the-red negatives (literally every number), check out DeRozan's On Court and On/Off playoff numbers:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/derozde01.html


These are the kinds of numbers that make statisticians go back and double check their work for fear they've nodded off and made multiple mistakes while adding them up.

[Drom John]

If you ever want to see a lot of in-the-red negatives (literally every number), check out DeRozan's On Court and On/Off playoff numbers:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/derozde01.html


These are the kinds of numbers that make statisticians go back and double check their work for fear they've nodded off and made multiple mistakes while adding them up.

The link show some red, but is mostly positive.
+2.3 VORP
+7.3 WS
+118 Offensive Rating.

Defense, no argument.

DeRozan is a good NBA player, good enough to be a starter.
$14M good, not $27M good.

[R. DeMurre]

The link show some red, but is mostly positive.
+2.3 VORP
+7.3 WS
+118 Offensive Rating.

Defense, no argument.

DeRozan is a good NBA player, good enough to be a starter.
$14M good, not $27M good.

Look specifically at the Playoff on Court/ Playoff On/Off chart. It's entirely in the negative. Opposing coaches & teams know how to make DeRozan useless in the playoffs.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/theScore/status/1334938551562235908?s=19

L M F A O

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/915224345680658432/AmJzw4Pl_normal.jpg
Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
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Utah's Mike Conley said today he's one of two Jazz players to test positive for the coronavirus and is currently in quarantine The Jazz, like Washington and Charlotte, were among the teams able to have their first group practice today after getting everyone into testing early

[tbdog]

Any news on a DD and white extension?

[Dejounte]

Hey ladies, I have a friend and he's single...

CIg4yLlAPQ3

[RC_Drunkford]

man if Bol Bol pans out the Nuggets will be nasty. They were smart taking those high risk picks

[Dejounte]

Rockets fans aren't the only ones melting down right now, Bucks fans are too. They're irritated as hell at Giannis for not signing yet. Not saying he won't, but the delay is suspicious

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/Squared2020/status/1336420511811694593?s=19

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1336460555188543493?s=19

[The Truth #6]

https://twitter.com/Squared2020/status/1336420511811694593?s=19

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1336460555188543493?s=19

That’s pretty good for DD, considering the relative low volume of 3s the Spurs shoot.

[ace3g]

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[Dejounte]

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This team will be dangerous next season, compared to other pretenders (New Orleans, Memphis, Jazz, Blazers, Pels)

[Dejounte]

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[Dejounte]

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Jrue needed to be a Spur forever ago. His defense is a sight to behold.

[Dejounte]

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This boy Pat has the look of a future star.

[Dejounte]

CIjK7BVD37X

Zion still a fatass. How disappointing.

[NASpurs]

Scary shit

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[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/malika_andrews/status/1336772875282477056?s=19

He gone.

What can we realistically offer in a S&T?

Murray + Luka + first round picks?

[Dejounte]

If I understand correctly,

Teams with cap space next year for Giannis:

Knicks
Spurs
Thunder
Bulls
Grizzlies
Cavs
Raptors

Only threat I see are the Raptors.

[mo7888]

https://twitter.com/malika_andrews/status/1336772875282477056?s=19

He gone.

What can we realistically offer in a S&T?

Murray + Luka + first round picks?

Something like that...two of the younger guys (maybe they want a DDR too)... and a two or 3 1st's.... it just depends if they will want to move him quickly as to what teams would send back.

[Dejounte]

Only one of our young players needs to have a D-Wade type of year to make SA an appealing destination for Giannis as it did to Shaq back then.

You compound that with the usual respect the Spurs have around the league, then it doesn't look impossible for Giannis to come here.

[tbdog]

Obviously Spurs young players need to show borderline all-star. But that would be a drastic progression.

[Joseph Kony]

Scary shit

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https://i.ibb.co/bFS8cYT/tenor.gif

Pop running to get his agent on the line

[Seventyniner]

https://i.ibb.co/bFS8cYT/tenor.gif

Pop running to get his agent on the line

:lol

If the Spurs weren't already within a hair of the tax and didn't already have 3 centers, 2 of which were recently re-signed, I might be worried. But there are plenty of other potential landing spots for Pau. Hell, some team might even give him a bit more than the minimum.

[Prime BEEF]

https://i.ibb.co/bFS8cYT/tenor.gif

Pop running to get his agent on the line
hahahaha excellent post

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

https://i.ibb.co/bFS8cYT/tenor.gif

Pop running to get his agent on the line

:lol

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1337038330278649860?s=19

Hmmm can the Bucks trade Jrue? Khris and Jrue for Harden? Bucks don't have much assets aside from that.

Miami can give up everything but Bam and Jimmy. That could be a nice big 3: Jimmy, Harden, and Bam. And Harden can party all he wants and hang out with strippers in Miami.

[BacktoBasics]

Harden would ruin the Bucks. Well he’d ruin any team but the Bucks are on the verge. Harden is an enormous step back. He would take control of a team that is miles better under Giannis’ wing.

[Prime BEEF]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1337038330278649860?s=19

Hmmm can the Bucks trade Jrue? Khris and Jrue for Harden? Bucks don't have much assets aside from that.

Miami can give up everything but Bam and Jimmy. That could be a nice big 3: Jimmy, Harden, and Bam. And Harden can party all he wants and hang out with strippers in Miami.
Not sure Miami can make the salaries work without including butler or bam.

bucks can trade kris and holiday for harden and tucker. Don’t think they’d be a good fit though

[Seventyniner]

Harden would ruin the Bucks. Well he’d ruin any team but the Bucks are on the verge. Harden is an enormous step back. He would take control of a team that is miles better under Giannis’ wing.

Agreed. If the Bucks trade for Harden and Giannis doesn't sign an extension, Giannis will walk. He might end up demanding a trade even if he does sign it.

[r0drig0lac]

Harden would ruin the Bucks. Well he’d ruin any team but the Bucks are on the verge. Harden is an enormous step back. He would take control of a team that is miles better under Giannis’ wing.

funny

[exstatic]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1337038330278649860?s=19

Hmmm can the Bucks trade Jrue? Khris and Jrue for Harden? Bucks don't have much assets aside from that.

Miami can give up everything but Bam and Jimmy. That could be a nice big 3: Jimmy, Harden, and Bam. And Harden can party all he wants and hang out with strippers in Miami.

Hopefully, Miami passes. Just seeing what happened with the Clippers should be a cautionary tale. Don’t take a cohesive playoff team, and fuck it up with the diva factor. Harden is just the worst.

[KobesAchilles]

I would fine Harden the max for every missed practice bc of his Covid childlike fit. Then I'd bring him off the bench the first game. Make him earn his respect back. If the dude wants out, but has 3 years left on his fucking contract then force his hand. See if he's willing to be fined, miss game checks, and all nba/all star as well.

[John B]

Only one of our young players needs to have a D-Wade type of year to make SA an appealing destination for Giannis as it did to Shaq back then.

You compound that with the usual respect the Spurs have around the league, then it doesn't look impossible for Giannis to come here.

If he can lead our young core back to the Finals, it would be great for his reputation instead of joining up with other superstars.

[Dejounte]

If he can lead our young core back to the Finals, it would be great for his reputation instead of joining up with other superstars.

I don't even feel he needs to do that much (reach the Finals). He just needs to put up decent stats and maintain the fun personality he already has. He's very marketable on his own. It will attract other stars easily. He already gained the respect of vets he played against.

[John B]

I don't even feel he needs to do that much (reach the Finals). He just needs to put up decent stats and maintain the fun personality he already has. He's very marketable on his own. It will attract other stars easily. He already gained the respect of vets he played against.

Coach Bud has compared Giannis to Duncan, being humble and aspiring greatness. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ayh445/amick_coach_bud_compares_giannis_to_tim_duncan_i/

[Dejounte]

Coach Bud has compared Giannis to Duncan, being humble and aspiring greatness. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ayh445/amick_coach_bud_compares_giannis_to_tim_duncan_i/

Oops I thought you meant Keldon lol

[John B]

Oops I thought you meant Keldon lol

I'm hoping Coach Bud will advise him well, if Giannis needs to move, Spurs would be a great destination to get his rings and have his HOF career, like Duncan did.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1337098777807745028?s=19

Clippers will continue to be pretenders with Paul George as a cornerstone

Edit: he may be fine as a Chris Bosh type 3rd guy role, but as a #2? I don't think so.

[Dex]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1337098777807745028?s=19

Clippers will continue to be pretenders with Paul George as a cornerstone

Edit: he may be fine as a Chris Bosh type 3rd guy role, but as a #2? I don't think so.

:lmao Dude just completely caved in the playoffs and now they give him $226M. And people think the Spurs FO is bad

It's okay...he'll probably demand a trade in two years anyways

[John B]

:lmao Dude just completely caved in the playoffs and now they give him $226M. And people think the Spurs FO is bad

It's okay...he'll probably demand a trade in two years anyways

If it prevents nephew from winning anymore rings

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Clippers gonna clip...such a sorry ass franchise...

[ginobilized]

Good Lord, what are these people thinking?
Clippers have definitely added another few nails to their own coffin in signing PG to that contract. Are they trying to do a sign and trade for Harden? That's all my simple brain can conjure.

And Harden, I hope he turns into Gilbert Arenas pt. 2. What an unlikeable, low-character diva. Detroit and Minnesota are a lot like Milwaukee. Love to see him go there or Utah.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/KingJosiah54/status/1337054908860805122?s=19

L M A O

[RC_Drunkford]

If I understand correctly,

Teams with cap space next year for Giannis:

Knicks
Spurs
Thunder
Bulls
Grizzlies
Cavs
Raptors

Only threat I see are the Raptors.

If Giannis leaves he's going to Dallas. All they need to do is salary dump one player and they got him. Miami also has enough cap space to sign him