official offseason thread

[DPG21920]

Maybe Mills to Philly now for a wing?

[TD 21]

Green and to a lesser extent Ferguson might lend more credence to Mills for Richardson, though that seemed too good to be true to begin with.

If the Warriors are supposedly high on Vassell, it should stand to reason they'd want a prime version.

[DPG21920]

“ Sam Presti turned Dennis Schroder into two first round picks, a second rounder, and Al Horford (who I think legit might not actually be washed).”

[Dejounte]

Like Al Horford is not an awful player. No one wants LMA or Derozan who are actually good and have no risk deals??

They're waiting on who will be available at 11th. Be patient

[gospursgojas]

Another late first founder. OKC team of Kyle Andersons and Derrick Whites is gonna be great the next 5 years.

[Chinook]

Another late first founder. OKC team of Kyle Andersons and Derrick Whites is gonna be great the next 5 years.

People underestimate this. I totally understand OKC trying to move up in the draft. They have to trade away some of those picks in self-defense. I'm down for SA being the team that gets like Oubre 25 and two future firsts to move down so long as those firsts are real and convey before 2023

[NASpurs]

So Danny Green can get you Al Horford, a first and a second?

[Chinook]

So Danny Green can get you Al Horford, a first and a second?

I think Green got the second and Philly saw the 25 first as a cheap price to get out of basically two years of Horford's money.

[Mugen]

But it's not on PATFO if the Spurs can't find a willing trade partner :lol

[Dejounte]

Why in the world does Morey want Danny Green? Expiring?

[R. DeMurre]

Damn, Danny Green sure is in the news a lot these days. Maybe this bodes well for the earlier Richardson-for-Mills rumor?

[Dancelot]

So Danny Green can get you Al Horford, a first and a second?
Meanwhile we basically got poetl (who I believe is not as good as horford) for him when DG was still good. Wtf.

[EasyMoney]

Why in the world does Morey want Danny Green? Expiring?

Get away from the abomination that was horford contract. Now they have 2 expiring deals in Richardson and green. Gives them some breathing room going forward, but they still have Tobias and his horrid contract to deal with now.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Meanwhile we basically got poetl (who I believe is not as good as horford) for him when DG was still good. Wtf.

It has nothing to do with Danny Green the player. His expiring contract is the ballast , so that Philly can get rid of Horford's terrible contract for the price of a couple of late picks.

[BacktoBasics]

Lol @ anyone thinking this has to do with Greens value.

[RD2191]

Say what you will about what happened with KD/WB/Harden. Since then Presti is lapping other teams. NEVER LEAVE MEAT ON THE BONE.
:jack

[Robz4000]

:lmao you're telling me LMA and DePression are worth less than current LDN?

[DPG21920]

Ya this has nothing to do with Danny. Good trade for PHI who is more win now and now gets more wiggle room and good trade for OKc

[Robz4000]

Ya this has nothing to do with Danny. Good trade for PHI who is more win now and now gets more wiggle room and good trade for OKc

I know it was to get out of Horford's contract but I gotta believe the Spurs would've offered DePression and Mills for that package and Richardson.

[Leetonidas]

Lol so apparently Bogdanovic never agreed that S&T? :lol whoops

[Chinook]

It's crazy that folks think Wiggins alone is worth 2 to dump but somehow are also ignoring that Horford's contract is in the same ball park as bad and that Philly is even saving money against this year's tax.

[TD 21]

I know it was to get out of Horford's contract but I gotta believe the Spurs would've offered DePression and Mills for that package and Richardson.

Why would the 76ers, who have a non range shooting primary creator and the most dominant low post scorer in the league, want to pair them with another non range shooting primary creator?

All you need to know about DeRozan's value or lack thereof, is the Hawks would prefer a gimpy Hayward, who can no longer handle a star's workload, over him (rightfully so).

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I know it was to get out of Horford's contract but I gotta believe the Spurs would've offered DePression and Mills for that package and Richardson.

Why would the Spurs want to pay Horford $70 mil over the next 3 years because of a late first round pick and a second? Picks don't cost that much.

[Robz4000]

Why would the Spurs want to pay Horford $70 mil over the next 3 years because of a late first round pick and a second? Picks don't cost that much.

Depends on what year(s) the picks are. If its a late pick in next year's draft it'll be worth a lottery pick in most other drafts, and the second would be worth a late first as well.

[Robz4000]

Why would the 76ers, who have a non range shooting primary creator and the most dominant low post scorer in the league, want to pair them with another non range shooting primary creator?

All you need to know about DeRozan's value or lack thereof, is the Hawks would prefer a gimpy Hayward, who can no longer handle a star's workload, over him (rightfully so).

:lol just makes the Spurs look that much worse for taking him in the Nephew trade

[NASpurs]

Let me rephrase it, Danny Green’s contract can get you all that?


There’s a couple of losers on our team with expiring contracts that need to be shipped and please don’t tell me that we’re making room for cap space next year.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Depends on what year(s) the picks are. If its a late pick in next year's draft it'll be worth a lottery pick in most other drafts, and the second would be worth a late first as well.

Apparently it's the 34th pick in this year's draft and a 2025 first round pick. Plus T Ferguson going to Philly as well.

[Joseph Kony]

Let me rephrase it, Danny Green’s contract can get you all that?


There’s a couple of losers on our team with expiring contracts that need to be shipped and please don’t tell me that we’re making room for cap space next year.

Moreso Philly desperate to get rid of Horford's disgusting contract and try to add a shooter to the roster more than anything else imo

[Mugen]

Let me rephrase it, Danny Green’s contract can get you all that?


There’s a couple of losers on our team with expiring contracts that need to be shipped and please don’t tell me that we’re making room for cap space next year.

"Weee lyk wut we hab"
-RC

[Robz4000]

Apparently it's the 34th pick in this year's draft and a 2025 first round pick. Plus T Ferguson going to Philly as well.

Shit, that pick in 2025 could be worth it considering Philly is on course to go back to trusting the process again in a few years with little draft capital between now and then.

[rankingtear]

OKC has now good pieces to offer GS. Horford and Oubre + picks.

[lmbebo]

OKC has now good pieces to offer GS. Horford and Oubre + picks.

Can OKC trade them or do they have to wait till Dec 5?

[objective]

The news about Klay Thompson having a leg injury and undergoing tests probably torpedoes any dream of moving up to get Wiseman with LMA.

How could GS go for the solid vet at his age when Klay's situation is up in the air.

[Rip Chord]

The other side of the equation, if its significant but not year ending, they may need the veteran presence to keep them afloat. Don’t want to waste too many Curry years.

[cjw]

Can OKC trade them or do they have to wait till Dec 5?

These trades likely wait to be executed so they can be strung together. Danny Green being traded twice is an example of this.

[Seventyniner]

The other side of the equation, if its significant but not year ending, they may need the veteran presence to keep them afloat. Don’t want to waste too many Curry years.

That and getting rid of Wiggins might require including #2; with Klay out they are presumably less willing to pay the tax.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/SiriusXMNBA/status/1327969601951559682?s=20#passthepipe

[Degoat]

So what do y’all think we do in free agency??

[Robz4000]

So what do y’all think we do in free agency??

:lol

[slick'81]

Lma and derozan value is shrinking by the min,tbh

[Seventyniner]

So what do y’all think we do in free agency??

Cry?

[Dejounte]

Are we gearing up for 2021 then? We will have cap room to sign Giannis? Really wonder what's going to happen in free agency and trades. It was made clear by the comments of DeMar and Pop that the team was undersized... So we do nothing in the draft to improve it? Hmm... Murray needs to go.

[Dverde]

Are we gearing up for 2021 then? We will have cap room to sign Giannis? Really wonder what's going to happen in free agency and trades. It was made clear by the comments of DeMar and Pop that the team was undersized... So we do nothing in the draft to improve it? Hmm... Murray needs to go.

Giannis isn’t coming here maybe a second tier guy like a Demar DeRozan.

[Degoat]

If the spurs resign Jakob Poetle to a reasonable contract won’t we be close to the luxury tax or am I wrong?? I can’t imagine a team who won’t make the playoffs would want that

[Prime BEEF]

So what do y’all think we do in free agency??
Might as well forfeit every season until pop decides to leave.

[Mugen]

Are we gearing up for 2021 then? We will have cap room to sign Giannis? Really wonder what's going to happen in free agency and trades. It was made clear by the comments of DeMar and Pop that the team was undersized... So we do nothing in the draft to improve it? Hmm... Murray needs to go.

:lol....:lmao

[PhantomDashCam]

Think Cassius Stanley may have already won the dunk contest...My lord

https://twitter.com/Pacers/status/1329296586778832898?s=20

[TheCerebral1]

I am fine with the picks. I still want Demar gone. Shrugs.

[tbdog]

Gonna be interesting with all these guards. Someone has to go.

[Atl Spur]

Defense & Versatility. We are NOT a small team......

[Prime BEEF]

Defense & Versatility. We are NOT a small team......
We are a very small team with our tallest players not being good defenders. Poetl is an ok defender but if he leaves it just exacerbates the problem. Plus Vassell and Jones will be in Austin anyways

[Chinook]

I wouldn't get too excited about Wright saying the team wasn't done with the roster. I think he's referring to re-signing guys more than adding free agents. I guess, though, that the team could be looking to do the trade-and-sign that worked out so well for them last year where they agree to an MLE guy before dealing guys to make room. Doesn't seem feasible with their salary situation. I think the roster as we can project it now will be the roster going forward, with the only exceptions being some camp competition for Eubanks and Weatherspoon and maybe a new two-way player.

[poopbox]

Gonna be interesting with all these guards. Someone has to go.

Marco won't be back and Forbes shouldn't be...that's 2 spots right there

[Prime BEEF]

I wouldn't get too excited about Wright saying the team wasn't done with the roster. I think he's referring to re-signing guys more than adding free agents. I guess, though, that the team could be looking to do the trade-and-sign that worked out so well for them last year where they agree to an MLE guy before dealing guys to make room. Doesn't seem feasible with their salary situation. I think the roster as we can project it now will be the roster going forward, with the only exceptions being some camp competition for Eubanks and Weatherspoon and maybe a new two-way player.
Agreed. They aren’t making any moves. He’s just talking about finishing the contract work for some of the players.

[Nivek_ogre]

Marco won't be back and Forbes shouldn't be...that's 2 spots right there

That addition by subtraction. Probably make the playoffs if those two would of been benched last year.

[Bojo]

Marco won't be back and Forbes shouldn't be...that's 2 spots right there

I think that's the plan. Marco and Forbes barely played in the bubble iirc. Marco already publicized his wish to play for a contender - in other words to leave San Antonio - and I really do not see Forbes staying. Might be a reach, but if he was a part of the future, he would have been featured on some of the fiesta and draft content.

The same mechanism that blessed us with the wonders of Bryn Forbes starting nearly everya game the last season should woth in favor of Murray, White, Walker and Johnson now, as the freed up minutes will probably split up between them.

I agree that the bubble was a glorified preseason with a few competitive games mixed in. Still, the guard corps showed out in those games, so they should get a chance to gel more and hopefully continue their improvement. A multi-guard lineup, especially one where everyone can handle and (is willing to) move the ball and shoot the three at least decent on high volume (evidence at least hints towards that being the case), should be the way to go.

Of course, some questions still remain. Murray's ballhandling and shooting as well as Derozan's shooting remain suspect. I do think Derozan has kind of seen the light on what kind of player he needs to be in order to be successful on his terms - embracing ball movement and using his isolation skills selectively. Hopefully, he will act accordingly.


Three question marks remain on the roster: Gay, Mills and Aldridge.

I do not see Gay fit with the new direction of the team at all. Maybe as a microball five or an iso sixth man, but the current Spurs team is simply not a group where his talents can be maximized.

If Aldridge continues to shoot threes at a semi-high volume, he should still fit into the offense. Defensively, he is still very servicable. I also think he's a good vet teamate to have around. I just wonder whether his body can play with the high pace unit the Spurs (hopefully) envision.

Mills should fit in stylistically and looks to be an all-time great teammate, a veteran presence highly needed on a rebuilding team. It's just that his minutes need to be reduced in favor of the young guards.
On the other hand, if anyone on that current Spurs team would accept a change of role from major contributor to microwave and mentor, it should be Patty.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Lma and derozan value is shrinking by the min,tbh


DeRozan opting out was a sign that they believe demand is weak. If he could have gotten more, he would have. I think he would have taken an offer equal to his opt in price, if he could have gotten 3 years.

Right now the Spurs have a sign posted, "Player for sale... just take up payments." Letting him walk at the end of the year for nothing would be better than giving up value to get rid of him now. Doesn't mean that the Spurs won't do it.

[Atl Spur]

DeRozan value might end up being higher than you think.

[John B]

We are a very small team with our tallest players not being good defenders. Poetl is an ok defender but if he leaves it just exacerbates the problem. Plus Vassell and Jones will be in Austin anyways
Vassell could be our best 3 and D right now. I certainly hope he comes in soon and get Forbes/Beli minutes.

[mo7888]

If Klay's injury is as bad as it seems I have to wonder what GS will do? How much draft capital would they attach to Wiggins to bring back players?

[DPG21920]

I am fine with the picks. I still want Demar gone. Shrugs.

Same. Onto FA &hope we see direction we were hoping to see in draft. Love players SA came away with

The disappointment? Was hoping they ended up w/MORE picks in draft &was my opinion that trades were needed DECREASED in likelihood if not done during draft. Hoping FA proves that wrong

[Dex]

Not sure if this was posted here yet...

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[DPG21920]

I’m not expecting anything of note in FA and I’ve said my confidence in Wright is lowwww. He did well in the draft though so that’s good.

But I’m just hoping at very least Bryn, Beli & Zeller are gone. And then don’t sign Jakob to a stupid deal. Let him test Market and only match 8m or less per season.

[Dex]

I’m not expecting anything of note in FA and I’ve said my confidence in Wright is lowwww. He did well in the draft though so that’s good.

But I’m just hoping at very least Bryn, Beli & Zeller are gone. And then don’t sign Jakob to a stupid deal. Let him test Market and only match 8m or less per season.

I believe Beli already said he was leaving IIRC.

Considering the breakout of KJ and Q and adding two more guards in the draft, bringing Forbes back simply would make zero sense. But then again...the Spurs and their loyalty sometimes doesn't make sense.

Murray, DeMar, White, Walker, Mills, Johnson, Weathersoon, now Vassel and Jones...frankly, that's too many guards as it is without including Forbes.

[DPG21920]

I believe Beli already said he was leaving IIRC.

Considering the breakout of KJ and Q and adding two more guards in the draft, bringing Forbes back simply would make zero sense. But then again...the Spurs and their loyalty sometimes doesn't make sense.

Exactly. I want them to start being opportunistic and give themselves the best chance at getting back to a consistent PO team but at a minimum? Show you understand the modern NBA and avoid soul crushing mistakes in FA

[EasyMoney]

https://twitter.com/LegionHoopsRoss/status/1329441551366426627?s=19

Based off the teams listed. The mavericks may be more appealing, playing with Luka. But he did just make the finals with Miami.

[Dejounte]

Holy shit, things are happening fast and I love it. We need a pandemic every year

[Degoat]

Tony Parker is about to appear on ESPNs first take today

[RiverwalkParade]

Who are the realistic trade partners for LMA and Derozan? SA will most likely try to send them to a playoff team in a big market or to a place that the player wants to go. So do we just send them back to Portland and Toronto? Or do they go to LA, GS, MIA? Or do they just stay here? Feels like a move is addition by subtraction long term. More time for the young guys to develop, find a new identity as a team, another lottery pick next year, etc.

[Atl Spur]

Golden States exception for Patty?

[spurspl]

any trade rumors? spurs still needs a young talented big to grow up with our backcourt youngies

[BackHome]

2021 draft is loaded with SF and PF and one or 2 Centers that is why I am on the Tank wagon the talent level next year blows this past draft class.

[EricB]

Belinelli and Bryn are gone. Vassell and Weatherspoon if he comes back have replaced them.

[Jordan Jackson]

Hope that’s not true about Klay Thompson. That’s real tough.

anyone else starting to look at GSW medical/Rehab team funny?

[NASpurs]

https://twitter.com/LegionHoopsRoss/status/1329441551366426627?s=19

Based off the teams listed. The mavericks may be more appealing, playing with Luka. But he did just make the finals with Miami.

Ah yes, the guy they thought they signed when they signed Demarre Carroll last year.

[EasyMoney]

Ah yes, the guy they thought they signed when they signed Demarre Carroll last year.


I was thinking the same thing lol

[TimDunkem]

Ah yes, the guy they thought they signed when they signed Demarre Carroll last year.

Their moves have been so incompetent over the past few years that something this absurd wouldn't even surprise me if it were proven true.

[Degoat]

Free agents this year really are puss poor lol Derrick Jones Jr & Dario Saric are the only two that would be solid signings for us imo

[DPG21920]

I really hope that if they aren’t making moves to benefit their future that they at least stick to the cap space plan. Don’t sign mediocre vets to any deals longer than 1 year. Do what you can to improve for this season but unless it’s a longish term player don’t put money on the books for no reason and low margin upgrades.

If your trading for one that has a longer deal and get a pick for it? Fine. But don’t just sign some aging vet like Rudy beyond 1 season. And for the love of God no more dead money years. That strategy sucks and has done nothing for SA

[Atl Spur]

You boys need to do your homework, there are a ton of teams with a lot of wing players. We are not an anomaly in that area.....

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/LegionHoopsRoss/status/1329441551366426627?s=19

Based off the teams listed. The mavericks may be more appealing, playing with Luka. But he did just make the finals with Miami.

the only way of him signing with the Spurs is if they offer him more money than all the other teams, which they can't cause all they got is the MLE

[Leetonidas]

Crowder would be a solid addition but he'll likely want to play for a contending team

[DesignatedT]

Spurs should sign Derrick Jones Jr. - Wish they had the $ to sign Jerami Grant.

If they are keeping Aldridge, they need to go small/athletic and start LMA at the 5. This means Poeltl prob wants to leave and wont be happy, but starting DeRozan/Aldridge/Poeltl is a nightmare for our young guys who need to get out and run and are challenged at playing in the half court at times.

White - Murray - Q/Jones
DeRozan - Mills - Vassell
Johnson - Walker
Jones Jr. - Gay - Lyles
Aldridge - Free Agent (Giles?) - Eubanks

Prob what I would start. Obviously I'd rather just move one or both of LMA/DDR.

[Excessive Egotist]

I don't think Spurs should sign anyone, except maybe Josh Jackson or a similar low dollar rehab project.

I do hope they bring Poeltl, Weatherspoon, and Eubanks back.

I'd prefer they just focus on player development and exploring moves for their veterans.

[Leetonidas]

I don't think Spurs should sign anyone, except maybe Josh Jackson or a similar low dollar rehab project.

I do hope they bring Poeltl, Weatherspoon, and Eubanks back.

I'd prefer they just focus on player development and exploring moves for their veterans.

They really need to target a wing who can play the 3 and 4 on defense with the MLE. We have none on our roster

[Excessive Egotist]

They really need to target a wing who can play the 3 and 4 on defense with the MLE. We have none on our roster

I agree. Josh Jackson could work in that role.

I liked the Cam Reddish rumor for this reason, too.

It would have been nice to have picked up Paul Reed in the second round last night.

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1329487469553840134 Taj for the spurs lol

[Degoat]

Bobby Portis with the MLE would be solid for us or it would be sweet if we could snipe away any free agent the Knicks try to sign

[Excessive Egotist]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1329487469553840134 Taj for the spurs lol

We could trade Aldridge or DeRozan into their space. Knicks probably have more than max space now.

[spurspl]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1329487469553840134 Taj for the spurs lol

i was just thinking about portis to spurs instead of signing poeltl , would improve our offense and spacing but his defense is questionable..hmm

[Excessive Egotist]

i was just thinking about portis to spurs instead of signing poeltl , would improve our offense and spacing but his defense is questionable..hmm

Portis is not a good player. Poeltl is. Poeltl will also have trade value over the next few years. Portis is so bad, the New York Knickerbockers don't want him.

[Dverde]

i was just thinking about portis to spurs instead of signing poeltl , would improve our offense and spacing but his defense is questionable..hmm

Always gotta give Portis a punchers chance.

[EasyMoney]

Trade rudy. Use the money to acquire a PF wing to start at the 4. Lyles play backup 4. I think its weird how rudy gay has not been subject to any trade talks whatsoever.

[Dverde]

NYK going after Harden

[mo7888]

Always gotta give Portis a punchers chance.

:smokin

[TheCerebral1]

Jae Crowder; perfect example of veteran trash that fits this dumpster fire.

[Atl Spur]

Jae Crowder; perfect example of veteran trash that fits this dumpster fire.

Miami thought so huh?

[TimDunkem]

Jae Crowder is a great piece for a contender. Not a team trying to make a core of DePression/LMA/Rudy G/Bum Forbes work. Start with moving the trash out first.

[CGD]

Can we reset the convo post draft? Given the givens, where are the offers coming from for LMA and DDR?

And, are Gay and Mills more attractive pieces for a win team now like the Bucks, Philly, or Heat?

[DPG21920]

Just brutal for Klay. Hate it.

[Excessive Egotist]

Can we reset the convo post draft? Given the givens, where are the offers coming from for LMA and DDR?

And, are Gay and Mills more attractive pieces for a win team now like the Bucks, Philly, or Heat?

Yes on the reset. And yes on Gay and Mills.

For DeMar and Aldridge I think Spurs need to think in terms of trading those guys into space (which obviously limits partners) or as part of a three team deal that sees Spurs taking back bad salary. Or take back a bloated two year (second year non-guaranteed) sign and trade. I.e. sign and trade for Whiteside at 17M a season for Aldridge, or some such.

If the trade offers are no good, the best option might be to let DeMar and LaMarcus expire.

Question: is there a free agent Spurs could target by combining Gay and Mills' salaries in a sign and trade? Would have to be a contender or a team desperate to qualify for playoffs.

[DPG21920]

Can we reset the convo post draft? Given the givens, where are the offers coming from for LMA and DDR?

And, are Gay and Mills more attractive pieces for a win team now like the Bucks, Philly, or Heat?

Agree. Everything that’s been said on the matter has been said and it was relevant during the draft and trade moratorium as far as discussing strategy and direction.

But FA is here and what can Sa do and what do people think they should do?

[Prime BEEF]

Agree. Everything that’s been said on the matter has been said and it was relevant during the draft and trade moratorium as far as discussing strategy and direction.

But FA is here and what can Sa do and what do people think they should do?
Have to go after a PF that can rebound and play defense.

[CGD]

^ I think the Gay and Mills deals are more modest, and frankly also done to help the player get into a better situation (especially Mills). Like:

Gay to MIA for Olynk and Okpala
Mills to Bucks for Ilasova and DJ Wilson

[Shakril]

i was just thinking about portis to spurs instead of signing poeltl , would improve our offense and spacing but his defense is questionable..hmm

And Defense is what Spurs need. Offense was not the Problem last year.

[ace3g]

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Rockets guard Austin Rivers has decided to opt out of his contract to become an unrestricted free agent, a source told @TheUndefeated (https://twitter.com/TheUndefeated/).


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Brooklyn Nets will not pick up the $5 million team option on guard Garrett Temple and he’ll enter free agency, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

[MoSpur02]

Ersan Ilyasova has been waived by the Bucks

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The Los Angeles Lakers are waiving guard Quinn Cook, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). Cook had a non-guaranteed season for 2020-21.
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[Kurik]

Ersan Ilyasova has been waived by the Bucks

He fits our age requirement now. Wouldn't be surprised if Spurs show interest.

[Bellboy]

If you think Wiseman is the real deal

GS Aldridge, Mills
SA Wiseman, Wiggins, Looney

Spurs get youth to match the rest of the team

Warriors get cap relief

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Knicks announced they’ve declined team option on Theo Pinson.


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Knicks also will not pick up team option on Wayne Ellington, per source. Clears up cap space for New York and, regarding Wooten, also opens up a 2-way contract spot.


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Elfrid Payton, Kenny Wooten will be waived & NYK, as expected, won’t exercise Bobby Portis’ option, sources confirm. Some mutual interest in Portis’ return, per sources. Also, no qualifying offer for Damyean Dotson. NYK has planned to keep Reggie Bullock. Newsday first reported.


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Per league sources: The Phoenix Suns have exercised their 2020-21 team option for Cameron Payne.


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Per league sources: The Phoenix Suns have tendered qualifying offers to Jevon Carter and Dario Saric. Both players will now be restricted free agents.


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The Thunder are exercising Hamidou Diallo’s $1.66M team option for next season, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).


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Forward Mike Muscala has exercised his player option to return to Oklahoma City this season, source tells ESPN.

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The Brooklyn Nets will extend a qualifying offer to Chris Chiozza, @hoopshype (https://twitter.com/hoopshype/) has learned. Chiozza will become a restricted free agent.


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Detroit is trading Khyri Thomas and Tony Snell to Atlanta for Dewayne Dedmon, sources tell ESPN.

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Lakers center JaVale McGee will exercise his $4.2M player option for 2020-21 season, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).


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Per league sources: The San Antonio Spurs have tendered a qualifying offer to Drew Eubanks. Eubanks will now be a restricted free agent.


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Per league sources: The San Antonio Spurs have tendered a Two-Way qualifying offer to Quinndary Weatherspoon. Weatherspoon will now be a restricted free agent.


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Per league sources: The San Antonio Spurs have tendered a qualifying offer to Jakob Poeltl. Poeltl will now be a restricted free agent.

[Excessive Egotist]

So, you'd have to think Golden State has the best chance of landing Harden now.

This possibility will keep the Wiggins to San Antonio for Aldridge conversation open.

The problem is that Golden State will have to give up all their assets to Houston for Harden, including Wiseman. Thompson, Wiseman, Minny's '21 lottery pick, three additional firsts for Harden.

[cd98]

So, you'd have to think Golden State has the best chance of landing Harden now.

This possibility will keep the Wiggins to San Antonio for Aldridge conversation open.

The problem is that Golden State will have to give up all their assets to Houston for Harden, including Wiseman. Thompson, Wiseman, Minny's '21 lottery pick, three additional firsts for Harden.

I don't think that GSW trades to replace Thompson. Wiggins can be the starting two guard. I don't think they would trade for Harden, especially because he doesn't fit with what they do and he wants to go to NJ. And how many firsts is Harden worth anyway? He's shown he can't win in the big-time. How good is he when the ball is in Curry's hands?

[EasyMoney]

Any Trevor Ariza fans left?

[MoSpur02]

I’ll take the Bobby Portis of 2018.

[ace3g]

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The Hawks will waive Khyri Thomas, per source.


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Per a league source, the Magic will extend a qualifying offer to Gary Clark, making him a restricted free agent. The Magic will not extend a qualifying offer to Wes Iwundu, making him an unrestricted free agent. And the Magic will decline its team option on Melvin Frazier Jr.
3:05pm · 19 Nov 2020 (https://twitter.com/JoshuaBRobbins/status/1329531335271092226) · TheAthletic

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The Knicks have been aggressive in their pursuit of Gordon Hayward all week, sources say Amid a growing belief leaguewide that Hayward will decline his $34 million player option for next season, New York may loom as Hayward's best option given all the Knicks' newfound cap space
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Maybe Beli has a team lined up already

https://twitter.com/marcobelinelli/status/1329531241578827776


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The Los Angeles Lakers are waiving guard Quinn Cook, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). Cook had a non-guaranteed season for 2020-21.
1:27pm · 19 Nov 2020 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1329506509437497346) · TweetDeck (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

on the day his dad died...........bruh

[ace3g]

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Timberwolves forward James Johnson has opted into his $16M deal for 2020-21 season, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).
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Minnesota is trading James Johnson to Oklahoma City as part of the Ricky Rubio trade, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).


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Celtics center Enes Kanter will exercise his $5 million player option for the 2020-21 season, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).


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I’m hearing Dedmon may be on the move again
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The Minnesota Timberwolves have made guard Malik Beasley available in discussions, and the New York Knicks are one of several interested teams, according to sources. He averaged 20 after being traded from Denver to Minnesota last season
3:18pm · 19 Nov 2020 (https://twitter.com/VinceGoodwill/status/1329534507708522500) · Twitter for iPhone (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

[Degoat]

Honestly can the spurs even make a small trade so we know there not at happy hour or something lol

[ace3g]

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The Phoenix Suns are declining the $5.2M team option on Frank Kaminsky, making him an unrestricted free agent, source tells ESPN.

[Robz4000]

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The Phoenix Suns are declining the $5.2M team option on Frank Kaminsky, making him an unrestricted free agent, source tells ESPN.

Could be a cheap reclamation project at a position of need tbh.

[DPG21920]

If reports of Hayward walking are true, I wonder how BOS replaces him talent wise? They will still only have the MLE (even if they can get under the cap a little with Hayward off the books) so trade? Do they feel good about their team as is minus Hayward?

[cjw]

Could be a cheap reclamation project at a position of need tbh.

To the people freaking out about not filling the need of center in the draft, this is why you don’t draft centers. There is plenty of supply and prices have come way down. See Kanter taking a $5mm player option.

It’s also why they shouldn’t have prioritized Poeltl in the trade for #2, but that’s a sunk cost.

[DPG21920]

Hopefully shows that Poeltls value is no where near 10M+. If you can get him for 8M or less? Fine. If not, let him go.

[Robz4000]

If reports of Hayward walking are true, I wonder how BOS replaces him talent wise? They will still only have the MLE (even if they can get under the cap a little with Hayward off the books) so trade? Do they feel good about their team as is minus Hayward?

Hayward just isn't very good anymore tbh.

[Nivek_ogre]

Any Trevor Ariza fans left?

No. None

[DPG21920]

Hayward just isn't very good anymore tbh.

Maybe. Not worth his deal for sure, but very possible he’s still an above average player in the right setting IMVHO

[ace3g]

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The Rockets are exercising guard David Nwaba’s $1.8M team option for next season, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).
3:47pm · 19 Nov 2020 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1329541861258776578) · TweetDeck

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The Oklahoma City Thunder are in serious talks to move Kelly Oubre Jr. to the Golden State Warriors, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).


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[ace3g]

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Los Angeles Clippers forward JaMychal Green has declined his $5M player option for the 2020-21 season and will become a free agent, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

[MoSpur02]

OKC and the Warriors are discussing a trade that involves Oubre.

Hayward algas officially opted out.

[CGD]

I just dont see the value in adding any long term contracts right now unless it’s someone on a rookie deal (ie a Cam Reddish type). Why try to get the 8th seed in a year when playoff gate revenue isn’t going to be what it normally is? Better to position selves for 2021 draft and rebuild.

Wright needs to take note of what fellow small market teams in NO and OKC are doing.

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Los Angeles Lakers guard Avery Bradley will decline his $5M player option for the 2020-21 season and become a free agent, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).


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The Heat are bypassing a qualifying offer to Kyle Alexander. The forward who was on a two-way contract last season becomes an unrestricted free agent.


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Celtics’ Gordon Hayward has opted out of his $34M deal for the 2020-21 season and will become a free agent, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

[CGD]

If reports of Hayward walking are true, I wonder how BOS replaces him talent wise? They will still only have the MLE (even if they can get under the cap a little with Hayward off the books) so trade? Do they feel good about their team as is minus Hayward?

They aren’t taking DDR dude...

For BOS it’s addition by subtraction honestly.

[ace3g]

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The Warriors will absorb Oubre Jr., and his $14.4M salary into their $17.2M trade exception once deal is done.

[ace3g]

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Charlotte Hornets declined to extend a qualifying offer to Dwayne Bacon. He'll become an unrestricted free agent.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1329545240248807424?s=19

I thought they were so concerned with luxury tax? exstatic

[ace3g]

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The Minnesota Timberwolves extended a qualifying offer to Juancho Hernangomez, a league source told @hoopshype (https://twitter.com/hoopshype/). He will become a restricted free agent.

[BWS-1994]

So GSW also has the MLE and Disabled exception?

[BWS-1994]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1329545240248807424?s=19

I thought they were so concerned with luxury tax? exstatic

If they move Wiggins, will their tax decreease?

[DPG21920]

They aren’t taking DDR dude...

For BOS it’s addition by subtraction honestly.

Where did I say that lol?

[Ignazzz]

If they move Wiggins, will their tax decreease?

yes. With wiseman even more

[Seventyniner]

If they move Wiggins, will their tax decreease?

For this year, only if they can get a team with cap space to send back less salary in a trade. For future years yes, if they get back an expiring contract.

iirc Wiseman now counts around $9M in a trade, while it was zero before he was picked. Or is that only when he signs his contract?

I really thought GS would just let the trade exception expire, especially with Thompson down. They might be going all in instead.

[Joseph Kony]

Trading for Oubre is a win now move...maybe GS isn't giving up? If not Spurs need to do all they can to send them DD/LA to compete next year while Klay is out. it would save them a shit load of money and help them compete in 2021

LMA
Green
Oubre
DeRozan
Curry

Pretty solid SL imo

[Ignazzz]

Nów is zero still. 9M After signing

[toki9]

If they move Wiggins, will their tax decreease?

They're really going to be taxed the equivalent of a whole another roster (and then some?) for a team without Klay for the season? Yikes.

[ace3g]

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The Boston Celtics have extended qualifying offers to Tacko Fall and Tremont Waters. Both were two-way players for the Celtics last season. Now, they will become restricted free agents.


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I'm guessing since the team has not put anything out that Semi Ojeleye's team option was not exercised by the Boston Celtics. He could be a restricted free agent, but that seems unlikely as well.

[Joseph Kony]

really surprised Hayward opted out

[ace3g]

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The Utah Jazz have an agreement to trade Ed Davis to the New York Knicks, League Sources tell The Athletic
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The Phoenix Suns declined the team option on forward Cheick Diallo, league sources told @hoopshype (https://twitter.com/hoopshype/). Diallo becomes an unrestricted free agent. He’s known for having a high motor.

[Robz4000]

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The Utah Jazz have an agreement to trade Ed Davis to the New York Knicks, League Sources tell The Athletic
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The Phoenix Suns declined the team option on forward Cheick Diallo, league sources told @hoopshype (https://twitter.com/hoopshype/). Diallo becomes an unrestricted free agent. He’s known for having a high motor.

Another guy I'd be cool with the Spurs taking on cheap as a reclamation project.

[Shakril]

They're really going to be taxed the equivalent of a whole another roster (and then some?) for a team without Klay for the season? Yikes.

They still have their disabled exception, which could reduce their tax. And maybe Wiggins will be moved. From the aquiring of Oubre, i think they are going all in without Klay.

[tbdog]

Hayward opted out of 34mil?

[ace3g]

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The Indiana Pacers won’t extend qualifying offers to Alize Johnson, Brian Bowen and Naz Mitrou-Long, @hoopshype (https://twitter.com/hoopshype/) has learned. Each player will become an unrestricted free agent.
3:22pm · 19 Nov 2020 (https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/1329535584340234248) · Twitter for iPhone (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

[DPG21920]

Yup. A little surprised but not really. He will get 4/100 as the only real big name. Knicks are dumb like that

[Dejounte]

All of these free agents. Man. I wonder if Bryn will still have a career in the NBA. Starting to doubt it.

[cjw]

For this year, only if they can get a team with cap space to send back less salary in a trade. For future years yes, if they get back an expiring contract.

iirc Wiseman now counts around $9M in a trade, while it was zero before he was picked. Or is that only when he signs his contract?

I really thought GS would just let the trade exception expire, especially with Thompson down. They might be going all in instead.

Any team can trade for both guys even if over the cap, so long as they take back no more than 125% of salary plus $100k. So Warriors could cut payroll in trade to over the cap team like the Spurs.

Also, Wiseman would be traded BEFORE being signed because otherwise he can’t be traded for 30 (?) days. I don’t remember how his pending salary would count but I think it would be easier to trade out before he signs.

Issue for Spurs would be bumping into the tax on some of these trades.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/MarcJSpears/status/1329554883981152256?s=19

Neither Wiseman or Draymond are getting traded

[gambit1990]

lakers snag schroder, warriors snag oubre.

how long until george hill is the spurs biggest splash this offseason? :rolleyes

[EasyMoney]

Demar and rudy for wiggins, and their Minnesota picks next year

Curry
Derozan
Oubre
Green
Wiseman

White
Murray
Walker
Wiggins
*Aldridge

[Degoat]

GSW doesn’t want our trash guys lol

[Chinook]

Gallo S&T?

[Robz4000]

Gallo S&T?

Already S&T'd to Dallas.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Gallo S&T?
How much money would have to go out do you think? He makes a lot of sense

[tonight...you]

Gallo S&T?
I don't think Pop particularly likes mass produced, inferior wine, but anything can happen!

[Chinook]

Already S&T'd to Dallas.

You mean from yesterday? That got blocked by the league.

[Chinook]

How much money would have to go out do you think? He makes a lot of sense

Gay is probably enough, or Lyles and Mills. Spurs would have to give up a first to get though. Might be worth it if it's protected well enough.

[K...]

I think Wiseman is a no go but if GSW is win now they may trade their own 21 or 22 for LMA. Better than nothing but not sure the spurs want to take the salary for 1 pick

[Robz4000]

You mean from yesterday? That got blocked by the league.

Ah, missed that.

[Chinook]

Ah, missed that.

It wasn't announced. The league is cracking down on that absurd Bogdanovic S&T, so OKC and Dallas just sort of didn't do their deal and the Thunder got 17 instead.

[ace3g]

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The Detroit Pistons aren't extending a qualifying offer to Thon Maker and he'll become an unrestricted free agent, source tells ESPN.

[Robz4000]

It wasn't announced. The league is cracking down on that absurd Bogdanovic S&T, so OKC and Dallas just sort of didn't do their deal and the Thunder got 17 instead.

Yeah I'd do the trade if it was a lottery-protected first I guess. Doubt the Spurs would though.

[talkspurs]

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The Detroit Pistons aren't extending a qualifying offer to Thon Maker and he'll become an unrestricted free agent, source tells ESPN.

Im in the minority(only?) here but I would love for the Spurs to sign him especially if we can get him for the min.

[Chinook]

Yeah I'd do the trade if it was a lottery-protected first I guess. Doubt the Spurs would though.

What I'd like to see would be a lineup like this (assuming Mills, Lyles and a first is the package)

White, Murray, Jones
Vassell, Walker, Weatherspoon
DeRozan, Johnson,
Gallinari, Gay, Samanic
Aldridge, Poeltl, Eubanks

With the team using whatever money they have left to let a bunch of 6-8 wings battle it out for the final roster spot, with the runner up getting a two-way along with another young center.

[Chinook]

The only issue with a Gallo deal is that OKC may have pivoted into renouncing him to complete that Boston deal.

[Shakril]

Something is brewing in Washington. We already know about the Westbrook - Wall Rumours, but they are looking for specific pieces. They are for example high on Poeltl. So i would not be surprised, if the Wizards make a big offer.

Of course these are all rumours, so i dont claim that it will happen, only that it can happen.

[Dejounte]

Something is brewing in Washington. We already know about the Westbrook - Wall Rumours, but they are looking for specific pieces. They are for example high on Poeltl. So i would not be surprised, if the Wizards make a big offer.

Of course these are all rumours, so i dont claim that it will happen, only that it can happen.

Wow, they're trying to become an all-international team.

Bertans
Rui
Deni
Poetl

Am I missing anybody?

They're going for Ersan Ilyasova too, I bet...

[poopbox]

If reports of Hayward walking are true, I wonder how BOS replaces him talent wise? They will still only have the MLE (even if they can get under the cap a little with Hayward off the books) so trade? Do they feel good about their team as is minus Hayward?

They don't have to replace hayward at all. He never played in any meaningful basketball games when he was there. He was always hurt.

[tonight...you]

Wow, they're trying to become an all-international team.

Bertans
Rui
Deni
Poetl

Am I missing anybody?

They're going for Ersan Ilyasova too, I bet...
All they need is for Blatt, or Messina to coach them.

[objective]

Something is brewing in Washington. We already know about the Westbrook - Wall Rumours, but they are looking for specific pieces. They are for example high on Poeltl. So i would not be surprised, if the Wizards make a big offer.

Of course these are all rumours, so i dont claim that it will happen, only that it can happen.

Their offer can't be that big, they are over the cap quite easily

I think with the Bertans hold, Avdija hold, they're at like $122 million.

[Joseph Kony]

Gallo is basically a taller Marco with better O and the same D. ehhhh

[Joseph Kony]

plus he's super injury prone

[Shakril]

Their offer can't be that big, they are over the cap quite easily

I think with the Bertans hold, Avdija hold, they're at like $122 million.

Depends what we consider big. Everything 10 mil + i would consider big.

[Robz4000]

plus he's super injury prone

That's my one big hang-up with Gallo. If you sign him its guaranteed he gets injured at some point and 50/50 its season ending tbh.

[R. DeMurre]

OKC is essentially a transit depot for NBA players on the move now. They won't be an actual team in the conventional sense at all this year. I feel bad for Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. He can work on himself this season, but otherwise it's a year of his career wasted.

[Robz4000]

OKC is essentially a transit depot for NBA players on the move now. They won't be an actual team in the conventional sense at all this year. I feel bad for Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. He can work on himself this season, but otherwise it's a year of his career wasted.

He'll be fine, it'll just be his third year in the league. If Presti doesn't fuck this up OKC will be contending when he comes into his prime.

[tonight...you]

OKC is essentially a transit depot for NBA players on the move now. They won't be an actual team in the conventional sense at all this year. I feel bad for Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. He can work on himself this season, but otherwise it's a year of his career wasted.
Who is their coach? I feel bad for that guy too. What a situation to try to navigate.

[objective]

Depends what we consider big. Everything 10 mil + i would consider big.

The most they could do with the mid-level is start at 9.258. That would get them to about 130-132 if they keep Pasecniks or sign Winston to a full deal.

Then they would be hard-capped at 138.928

Then Bertans still wants a raise over his caphold of 14.

Signing Poeltl to an full offer sheet gets very very tight for them

[objective]

Anyways, some thoughts about Tryn Torbes for the off-season thread

The draft did a number on some of the teams who could have been bidding for him.

Philly getting Curry = Why bother with Forbes?
Memphis getting Bane = Why bother with Forbes?

MAYBE Golden State could be dumb enough to imagine that Forbes could step in for Klay. I doubt it. But it's funny seeing Warriors fans hype him up and say he can shoot and defend.

I've seen some speculation that Detroit could be interested, but they weren't interested in keeping Kennard who's just a bigger better Forbes.

There might not be any takers for Forbes which leads him straight back to the Spurs so Pop can cry tears of joy.

[kobyz]

what is Milutinov's buyout? he's killing it to start the season:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A39DN_lqpLI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBJmPWroAs8

[BackHome]

I wonder what happens if we loose Poodle.

[objective]

what is Milutinov's buyout? he's killing it to start the season:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A39DN_lqpLI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBJmPWroAs8

Can't find any info.

He had Corona in October

He and the Spurs are not on good terms, seems they never offered him a contract and just annoyed him. Too buys locking up winners like DeMarre Carroll.

He'll have 2 years remaining after this season, and for sure has an NBA buyout, but as one of the best players in Europe he won't play for free.

[gambit1990]

I wonder what happens if we loose Poodle.
tyson chandler incoming.

[TimDunkem]

Milutinov will never be a Spur. Jfc give it up people.

[DPG21920]

Man Oubre did not cost very much to trade for.

[kobyz]

Milutinov will never be a Spur. Jfc give it up people.

he doesn't have inspirations to play at the biggest level?

[tbdog]

I would look at Aaron Gordon. The magic rookie last year, who had done his ACL prior to the draft, plays the same position as Aaron. With Isaac out for the season, Magic might be keen to offload Aaron to secure the back for the future. That would mean White and Gay. Or Murray and Lyles.

[JuneJive]

Man Oubre did not cost very much to trade for.

A top-20 protected pick. Laughable.

[Degoat]

Milutinov will never be a Spur. Jfc give it up people.

He will once he’s 35 years old and washed lol

[Chinook]

He wasn't worth that much. Dude was traded for a second two years before that. Don't forget those that OKC gets to save all of that cap space by doing this deal.

[objective]

Looking at the cap numbers again, if anyone goes crazy and does offer Poeltl a starting salary of 8 or more the Spurs might be in some tax doo-doo

I have them at 122,679,312 assuming Metu is cut, Mills and Gay hit their bonuses (which may have already been accounted for?), and counting Vassell and Eubanks but not including Weatherspoon or Tre Jones.

And that's without the qualifying offer for Poeltl

They wouldn't be in this mess if they had only stretched DeMarre Carroll's garbage, but that had to be done in the first 24 hours after he cleared waivers.

$6,167,887 in dead cap thanks to Carroll and the swell front office

[DPG21920]

He wasn't worth that much. Dude was traded for a second two years before that. Don't forget those that OKC gets to save all of that cap space by doing this deal.

I mean I know GS absorbed him but cap space this year isn’t an issue at all for them and he’s an expiring

[Degoat]

Looking at the cap numbers again, if anyone goes crazy and does offer Poeltl a starting salary of 8 or more the Spurs might be in some tax doo-doo

I have them at 122,679,312 assuming Metu is cut, Mills and Gay hit their bonuses (which may have already been accounted for?), and counting Vassell and Eubanks but not including Weatherspoon or Tre Jones.

And that's without the qualifying offer for Poeltl

They wouldn't be in this mess if they had only stretched DeMarre Carroll's garbage, but that had to be done in the first 24 hours after he cleared waivers.

$6,167,887 in dead cap thanks to Carroll and the swell front office

see that’s what I have been wondering about, I can’t imagine a team that probably won’t make the playoffs spending money on the luxury tax

[Chinook]

I mean I know GS absorbed him but cap space this year isn’t an issue at all for them and he’s an expiring

It is an issue when you keep using cap space to pick up firsts from other teams. As it was, they didn't have enough space left to do couple of their rumored deals before this trade.

[DPG21920]

It is an issue when you keep using cap space to pick up firsts from other teams. As it was, they didn't have enough space left to do couple of their rumored deals before this trade.

Maybe. But they have very clear books next year and my guess is if there were a better pick they would be ok with taking back salary for Oubre but who knows.

From what I read they are trying to stay over cap.

[Chinook]

Maybe.

Not maybe. They didn't have space to keep Gallo's hold even before the Porier dump they agreed to today. They needed to move him for no very little or no money going back.


From what I read they are trying to stay over cap.

It might work out like that, but then the same principle applies with the TE's they'd be using.

[Prime BEEF]

I would look at Aaron Gordon. The magic rookie last year, who had done his ACL prior to the draft, plays the same position as Aaron. With Isaac out for the season, Magic might be keen to offload Aaron to secure the back for the future. That would mean White and Gay. Or Murray and Lyles.
I’m good with either of those trades

[EasyMoney]

Kelly oubre for a 21-30 protected pick. The hell are some of these gms on? Presti only traded him because his greedy self wanted a pick.

[DPG21920]

Not maybe. They didn't have space to keep Gallo's hold even before the Porier dump they agreed to today. They needed to move him for no very little or no money going back.



It might work out like that, but then the same principle applies with the TE's they'd be using.

They did not have to trade Oubre into space to complete their deals

[Chinook]

They did not have to trade Oubre into space to complete their deals

Did someone tell you that? I haven't been running calculations on it, but I do know that it was an open mystery how they were even going to complete their deals from yesterday. It sounds an awful lot like they did have to use cap space or a TE to make the numbers work, and that does require trading him into space.

[Mr. Body]

Kelly oubre for a 21-30 protected pick. The hell are some of these gms on? Presti only traded him because his greedy self wanted a pick.

Guy gets passed around like a hot potato. There's someting going on there.

[Chinook]

What's going one is that Oubre isn't very good. He had a good year last year, but for the most part he's a glass cannon.

[DPG21920]

Did someone tell you that? I haven't been running calculations on it, but I do know that it was an open mystery how they were even going to complete their deals from yesterday. It sounds an awful lot like they did have to use cap space or a TE to make the numbers work, and that does require trading him into space.

Nope. But Albert Nahmad who I follow on Twitter was speaking about all these scenarios and Okc taking salary back possibly and staying over cap scenarios (meaning purposely taking salary back) as a path.

I inferred it from that. He’s the best cap person I know

[mo7888]

What's going one is that Oubre isn't very good. He had a good year last year, but for the most part he's a glass cannon.

Yep....exactly...

[Chinook]

Nope. But Albert Nahmad who I follow on Twitter was speaking about all these scenarios and Okc taking salary back possibly and staying over cap scenarios (meaning purposely taking salary back) as a path.

OKC staying over the cap only helps if the Paul trade isn't already done. As far as I heard, it was done the day it was announced, officially and completely. If that's true, then OKC was either under the cap and thus had to use cap space to acquire players, or they were still over that cap and would need to use TEs to do it. If the Paul trade were pending, then yeah, they could wrap everything together enough to fit in Porier. But again, that wasn't how it was reported.

I don't think OKC needed to take salary back to stay over. Gallo's cap hold is substantial.


He’s the best cap person I know

:depressed

[DPG21920]

And my comment wasn’t Sa should get him - just observing that he had a good year and cost was low. I thought someone like Dallas might use their 2020 first on him

[DPG21920]

OKC staying over the cap only helps if the Paul trade isn't already done. As far as I heard, it was done the day it was announced, officially and completely. If that's true, then OKC was either under the cap and thus had to use cap space to acquire players, or they were still over that cap and would need to use TEs to do it. If the Paul trade were pending, then yeah, they could wrap everything together enough to fit in Porier. But again, that wasn't how it was reported.

I don't think OKC needed to take salary back to stay over. Gallo's cap hold is substantial.

From my understanding that was the key; Gallos hold wasn’t enough

But so many moving parts with Okc it’s really hard to keep up

[DPG21920]

:depressed

:lol you’re in the starting 5

[Chinook]

From my understanding that was the key; Gallos hold wasn’t enough

But so many moving parts with Okc it’s really hard to keep up

Nah. They acquired Horford and Johnson. That's $43 Million. Adams pushes it up to $70 Million. Then Gallo pushes it up to $104. Just adding SGA and Bazley gets them over the cap at that point.

[DPG21920]

https://twitter.com/albertnahmad/status/1329626665127915520?s=21

[Chinook]

https://twitter.com/albertnahmad/status/1329626665127915520?s=21

Yeah. That's what I thought. GS did have to trade Oubre into cap space because they would runt out of space otherwise. They basically could've used to savings from the Paul deal to fill in the salary difference between Green and Horford. Instead, they basically agreed to take Horford into cap space. And they can't use the Oubre deal to fill in because they can't combine him (or Green) in a deal if they're over the cap.

I might have to actually try looking at the cap situation it's still weird, even with this bit more info.

[Dejounte]

Paul Millsap is who I really want with the MLE in free agency...

[Dejounte]

https://projectspurs.com/2020/11/20/the-spurs-heading-into-free-agency/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Really useful info regarding free agency

[DPG21920]

Millsap is washed imo

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/fmaddenNBA/status/1329648957547540485

[Collins21]

Millsap is washed imo

Please no Milsap the Nuggets couldn't wait to get rid of him.

[Robz4000]

https://twitter.com/fmaddenNBA/status/1329648957547540485

Dude needs to be put in a car that JR Smith is driving tbh.

[Rusty]

Davis Bertans back to the Spurs? :hungry:

[ace3g]

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[JuneJive]

Bucks in play for Mills now that they've moved on from Bogdanovic?

A possibility.

[TD 21]

Bucks in play for Mills now that they've moved on from Bogdanovic?

A possibility.

With Ilyasova waived, they don't have the matching salary to make it work financially. They're also low on picks and DiVincenzo doesn't make sense for the Spurs, so they'd have to find a third team for multiple reasons.

[DPG21920]

With Ilyasova waived, they don't have the matching salary to make it work financially. They're also low on picks and DiVincenzo doesn't make sense for the Spurs, so they'd have to find a third team for multiple reasons.

They could sign and trade Robin Lopez 3 years/39M (13M per) with only the first year guaranteed. It matched Mills salary, SA can let Poeltl walk and preserve cap space and have their one year replacement for Poeltl as well. Then waive Robin next season.

Robin agrees because he was making 5M so he gets a big one year deal and he gets right back into FA next year with more money.

Boom. Done.

[JuneJive]

Bucks looking at D.J. Augustin.

Hmmm.

[Degoat]

Does Derrick White and the spurs agree to an extension today y’all think???

[CGD]

With Ilyasova waived, they don't have the matching salary to make it work financially. They're also low on picks and DiVincenzo doesn't make sense for the Spurs, so they'd have to find a third team for multiple reasons.

Philly was the other rumored place. I hope Mills gets another shot at a chip.

[Chinook]

Does Derrick White and the spurs agree to an extension today y’all think???

I hope they don't have to offer one. They really need to care about their cap space next off-season. Right now, White's hold is projected to be under $11 Million next summer. Any bit he gets in the first year over that eats into that cap space. Worst case, it's money the team could use to pick up salary for picks. Best, it's what they'd need to sign a max free agent. If they get a really good deal, then they probably will be able to take shaving off a couple of million bucks. But anything substantial needs to wait until next summer -- for multiple reasons.

[cjw]

They could sign and trade Robin Lopez 3 years/39M (13M per) with only the first year guaranteed. It matched Mills salary, SA can let Poeltl walk and preserve cap space and have their one year replacement for Poeltl as well. Then waive Robin next season.

Robin agrees because he was making 5M so he gets a big one year deal and he gets right back into FA next year with more money.

Boom. Done.

What does this accomplish? Is Lopez better than Poeltl? Not even close. Poeltl could be resigned and traded before the deadline (there is some period of time he can’t be dealt) if the Spurs aren’t making a push. And this gives you nothing back for Mills other than potentially some flexibility next summer.

I’d rather just use part of the MLE for a center than give up an asset for RLo.

Or you could give Poeltl and outsized one year deal as long as you find a way to stay under the tax, which would happen if you can move Mills / Gay and not bring back as much salary. Issue is there are so few teams that have contracts in the $8-$10 million range.

[Chinook]

An underrated potential deal could be G and DeRozan for Harris (and hopefully some compensation). With Green and Curry on the roster, the Sixers no longer have spacing issues, and with Harris gone, they'd actually be in good cap space again. I don't love it for the Spurs, but on paper, getting Harris would make the fit better with the young players.

Murray, Mills, Jones
Walker, White, Weatherspoon
Vassell, Johnson, FA
Harris, Scott, Samanic
Aldridge, Poeltl, Eubanks

I think the plan now is for Mills to be traded. It just seems like the sides were heading in opposite directions with Patty sitting out during the bubble and the Jones pick. But if this trade happens, Mills' role is maintained so that Jones has a year to be groomed. DeRozan and Gay get to play for contenders. Morey somehow clears the Sixers from cap hell while not losing much on the court. The only really shaky party would be the Spurs, who should be wary of giving up that kind of cap space for a non-star. It'd almost necessitate choosing between Murray and White long-term. I do think the Spurs make the playoffs with this unit and could be a playoff team for a couple years even, so it's worth considering, but money would be a concern for the next four years.

EDIT: To be more exact, the deal would probably include Lyles and Scott to make the numbers work for Philly. I've updated the depth chart to reflect that.

[Dejounte]

An underrated potential deal could be G and DeRozan for Harris (and hopefully some compensation). With Green and Curry on the roster, the Sixers no longer have spacing issues, and with Harris gone, they'd actually be in good cap space again. I don't love it for the Spurs, but on paper, getting Harris would make the fit better with the young players.

Murray, Mills, Jones
Walker, White, Weatherspoon
Vassell, Johnson, FA
Harris, Lyles, Samanic
Aldridge, Poeltl, Eubanks

I think the plan now is for Mills to be traded. It just seems like the sides were heading in opposite directions with Patty sitting out during the bubble and the Jones pick. But if this trade happens, Mills' role is maintained so that Jones has a year to be groomed. DeRozan and Gay get to play for contenders. Morey somehow clears the Sixers from cap hell while not losing much on the court. The only really shaky party would be the Spurs, who should be wary of giving up that kind of cap space for a non-star. It'd almost necessitate choosing between Murray and White long-term. I do think the Spurs make the playoffs with this unit and could be a playoff team for a couple years even, so it's worth considering, but money would be a concern for the next four years.

Fuck off, Chinook. Vassell won't be starting over Keldon. Are you kidding me?!

[mo7888]

An underrated potential deal could be G and DeRozan for Harris (and hopefully some compensation). With Green and Curry on the roster, the Sixers no longer have spacing issues, and with Harris gone, they'd actually be in good cap space again. I don't love it for the Spurs, but on paper, getting Harris would make the fit better with the young players.

Murray, Mills, Jones
Walker, White, Weatherspoon
Vassell, Johnson, FA
Harris, Lyles, Samanic
Aldridge, Poeltl, Eubanks

I think the plan now is for Mills to be traded. It just seems like the sides were heading in opposite directions with Patty sitting out during the bubble and the Jones pick. But if this trade happens, Mills' role is maintained so that Jones has a year to be groomed. DeRozan and Gay get to play for contenders. Morey somehow clears the Sixers from cap hell while not losing much on the court. The only really shaky party would be the Spurs, who should be wary of giving up that kind of cap space for a non-star. It'd almost necessitate choosing between Murray and White long-term. I do think the Spurs make the playoffs with this unit and could be a playoff team for a couple years even, so it's worth considering, but money would be a concern for the next four years.

I really hope we don't do that... I'd rather rather make a play for Hayward (S&T) or Paul George than absorb Harris for an asset... Hayward or PG I think we can move next summer if need be...I'm not sure Harris is movable..

[Chinook]

Fuck off, Chinook. Vassell won't be starting over Keldon. Are you kidding me?!

I don't know if he will or won't. I do think people might be overlooking how high of a pick Vassell is and how SA apparently liked him despite picking that high. I think there's a chance that Vassell is going to only guy penciled into the starting lineup.

[Leetonidas]

I have a hard time believing Pop would start a rookie. Especially given the guards we have on the roster already

[Dejounte]

I don't know if he will or won't. I do think people might be overlooking how high of a pick Vassell is and how SA apparently liked him despite picking that high. I think there's a chance that Vassell is going to only guy penciled into the starting lineup.

And so it begins... The overrating of Devin.

Let the zombie floodgates burst open.

High draft pick or not, you play the best players.

I guess Keldon still has to earn people's respect around here. He would have been a top 10 draft pick in this draft, knowing what we know (most competitive player, scores efficiently, extreme work ethic easily seen by the improvement to his body)

[cjw]

1329888113519259650

Kanter getting a first rounder now?

[Drom John]

Below are Spurs rated by 2019-2020 FiveThirtyEight Raptor WAR, then assigned 2019-2020 NBA salary for that rank.

038 $27,093,017 Derrick White (Hassan Whiteside's salary)
050 $21,000,000 Patty Mills (Victor Oladipo)
077 $15,625,000 Jakob Poeltl (Eric Bledsoe)
089 $14,041,096 DeMar DeRozan (Mason Plumlee)
122 $10,500,000 LaMarcus Aldridge (Jeremy Lamb)
150 $ 8,156,500 Rudy Gay (Cristiano Felicio)
154 $ 8,000,000 Dejounte Murray (Elfrid Payton)
239 $ 3,831,840 Keldon Johnson (P.J. Washington)
291 $ 2,564,753 Trey Lyles (Nene Hilario)
325 $ 2,000,000 Luka Samanic (Edmond Summer)
359 $ 1,645,357 Tyler Zeller (Jordan McRae)
391 $ 1,620,564 Chimezie Metu (Vince Carter)
430 $ 1,416,852 Drew Eubanks (De'Anthony Melton)
452 $ 1,416,852 Marco Belinelli (Yante Maten)
452 $ 1,416,852 Lonnie Walker (Yante Maten)
452 $ 1,416,852 Quindarry Weatherspoon (Yante Maten)
479 $ 903,111 Bryn Forbes (David Nwaba)

[Dejounte]

1329888113519259650

Kanter getting a first rounder now?

So you're telling me there's a chance???? (To get Wiseman)

[The Truth #6]

All of these trade dreams feel so masochistic to me. I have accepted nothing is happening, so will be pleasantly surprised if anything ever does happen.

[Drom John]

Below are Spurs 2019-2020 salaries, matched by FiveThirtyEight Raptor WAR that "earned" that Spur's salary.

025 $27,739,975 DeMar DeRozan (Ivica Zuban earned DeRozan's salary)
040 $26,000,000 LaMarcus Aldridge (Ben Simmons)
086 $14,500,000 Rudy Gay (Malcom Brogdon)
106 $12,428,571 Patty Mills (Gorgui Dieng)
188 $ 5,846,154 Marco Belinelli (Robert Williams III)
194 $ 5,500,000 Trey Lyles (D'Angelo Russell)
242 $ 3,754,886 Jakob Poeltl (Yogi Ferrell)
275 $ 2,875,000 Bryn Forbes (Kyle Kuzma)
280 $ 2,689,920 Luka Samanic (Sterling Brown)
281 $ 2,689,920 Lonniew Walker IV (Wilson Chandler)
295 $ 2,500,000 Manu Ginobili (Dante Exum)
307 $ 2,321,735 Dejounte Murray (Frank Ntilikina)
333 $ 1,950,600 Keldon Johnson (Dusty Hannahs)
334 $ 1,948,080 Derrick White (Dewan Hernandez)
434 $ 1,416,852 Chimezie Metu (Jarrell Brantley)
459 $ 1,378,242 Brandon Paul (Bruno Fernando)
468 $ 1,349,383 Ben Moore (Lauri Markkenen)
513 $ 512,721 DeMarre Carroll (Harry Giles III)
523 $ 245,686 Tyler Zeller (Kevin Knox II)

[LCM]

Trade DeMar, Metu to Orlando for AG, Bamba. If Poeltl costs too much, let him walk. Season goes well, trade LMA before trade deadline.

DW - PM - TJ
DJM - LW4 - QW
AG - KJ - DV
LMA - RG - LS
TL - MB - DE