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Basketball games again in less than a month. Nifty.

You know that’s not happening with Covid NewYork is getting ready for another hard shutdown

[Dejounte]

You know that’s not happening with Covid NewYork is getting ready for another hard shutdown

This makes me believe the rumor is true. Health first for Pop. Probably what his colleagues are telling him too.

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Tentative schedule

December 22: Opening night.
All-Star Break (minus an ASG): March 5-10
May 16: Regular season ends
May 17-to-21: Play-in tournament for 7-to-10 seeds.
May 22: First-round playoffs
June 7: Conference semifinals
June 22: Conference Finals
July 8-22: NBA Finals


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[Dejounte]

Why is another play in tournament needed?

[Chinook]

Why is another play in tournament needed?

They're cool

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The Play-in Tournament still needs to be approved by the Board of Governors, but that is a formality, per sources: No. 7 and No. 8 seeds need to win once to stay in playoffs; No. 9 and No. 10 seeds need to win twice to move up into field. Tentative dates of event: May 17-21.
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[Dejounte]

They're cool

Ah ok

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Last day for a player to sign a super max and rookie extension is Dec. 21.
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The Los Angeles Lakers are in advanced talks with Oklahoma City on a trade for guard Dennis Schroder, sources tell ESPN. Deal expected to include OKC acquiring LA’s pick at No. 28 in Wednesday’s draft. Deal can be completed at noon ET on Monday.


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The Lakers are engaged in active talks on a deal to acquire Oklahoma City’s Dennis Schröder, which would send No. 28 pick in Draft to the Thunder, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

[MoSpur02]

Supposedly the Lakers would send Danny Green and their pick to OKC for Dennis Schroeder

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Lakers guard Danny Green and the No. 28 overall pick have been a focus of the trade discussions for Schroder, sources tell ESPN.

[Dejounte]

How many picks does OKC need? Jesus

Guess no DeMar for Lakers

[Degoat]

The rich always get richer in the NBA lol No doubt OKC re routes Danny green somewhere too

[r0drig0lac]

The rich always get richer in the NBA lol No doubt OKC re routes Danny green somewhere too

Heat, Nets or Clippers

[Mhak]

No deals happening. Spurs will stay pat per usual. All rumors are all smoke. No fire..

[Dverde]

The rich always get richer in the NBA lol No doubt OKC re routes Danny green somewhere too

Danny still makes close to 15M. He seems more like a buyout candidate to me.

[pad300]

Why is another play in tournament needed?

It sells: $$$$

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Teams will need to issue qualifying offers to make free agents restricted by Nov 19 (the day after the draft)
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Instead of March 1, the deadline for players to be waived while retaining playoff eligibility will be April 9
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Free agents signed this offseason cannot be traded any earlier than Feb 6; Those who are-resigned via Early or Full Bird have to wait until March 3 to be traded
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League-wide cut-down date (usually Jan 10) will be Feb 27 - except teams need to waive the player earlier to get them off the books (instead of Jan 7, Feb 24)
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ESPN Sources with @ramonashelburne (https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/) and @ZachLowe_NBA (https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/): As Houston’s James Harden considers his future with franchise, one possible trade destination is rising to top of his list: Brooklyn. The idea of reuniting with Kevin Durant and joining Kyrie Irving is resonating with Harden.
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[cjw]

Danny still makes close to 15M. He seems more like a buyout candidate to me.

He’s on an expiring deal, and it’s not that hard for a contender to trade for him (have to cobble together like $10mm of salary). Doubt he gets bought out.

[TD 21]

Given that he's signed for basically 3 more seasons (p/o, but I doubt he turns down $47+M at 33), he basically has no leverage.

If he asks out and I'm the Rockets, I'm not interested in LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen, Prince, 1st(s). That's the type of overrated, short sighted crap idiots like the Spurs would be interested in.

I'm zeroing in on the 76ers and Simmons ++ because that's the type of piece who could potentially be a bridge to another era of contention. I might even take Horford alongside, just to up the youth/picks capital, then cut salary in a Westbrook salary dump.

[Seventyniner]

How many picks does OKC need? Jesus

Guess no DeMar for Lakers

I wonder if OC will eventually have trouble offloading those picks. Keeping them all is difficult because the earlier ones will be up for paydays by the time the later ones are drafted. Boston seems to have more picks than they want too; parleying extra picks into a star is not nearly as easy as it sounds.

[Chinook]

Given that he's signed for basically 3 more seasons (p/o, but I doubt he turns down $47+M at 33), he basically has no leverage.

If he asks out and I'm the Rockets, I'm not interested in LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen, Prince, 1st(s). That's the type of overrated, short sighted crap idiots like the Spurs would be interested in.

I'm zeroing in on the 76ers and Simmons ++ because that's the type of piece who could potentially be a bridge to another era of contention. I might even take Horford alongside, just to up the youth/picks capital, then cut salary in a Westbrook salary dump.

I'm sure the Spurs would be plenty interested in acquiring Simmons, given that they told Philly that was the price for Kawhi. Philly probably messed up by refusing that deal, since they likely could've still done the Butler trade and had the best roster in the league on paper. If for some weird reason, Simmons is attainable in a DeRozan trade, I'd also assume PATFO would prefer that to a package from Brooklyn. I strongly doubt that would happen, though, unless Morey really hates Simmons and the rest of the league has stopped believing in him. I also think in terms of pure building blocks, any sizeable chunk of Brooklyn's assets would be likely to form the best future-looking package the Spurs can get. I don't see another team beating Levert/Prince/19. Getting a lock-up young guard would also let the Spurs trade Murray to move up in the draft, thus giving them a better chance at getting the future building block they don't have a realistic path to acquiring this season otherwise.

White, Mills
LeVert, Walker,
Johnson, Nesmith (19)
Okongwu (6), Lyles, Samanic
Aldridge, Poeltl

Not bad considering the talent drop-off between DeRozan and Harden.
Really weird to criticize PATFO in this case, in other words.

[Chinook]

I wonder if OC will eventually have trouble offloading those picks. Keeping them all is difficult because the earlier ones will be up for paydays by the time the later ones are drafted. Boston seems to have more picks than they want too; parleying extra picks into a star is not nearly as easy as it sounds.

Yeah. You've gotta be willing to risk the picks becoming something good instead of holding onto them for maximum value. By the time the draft hits, very few teams want to have three guaranteed rookie salaries on their books.

[Degoat]

Chris Haynes reported that AD was declining his option, if Demar did decided to opt into his option before the draft could we trade him then or does all trades have to be after the draft when it comes to player options

[Degoat]

Scratched what I said above, according to Bobby Marks Twitter Demar Derozan option decision is tomorrow!!!

[ace3g]

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Magic’s Evan Fournier will exercise his $17M player option for the 2020-21 season on Monday, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).


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Charlotte’s Nicolas Batum will exercise his $27.13M player option for the 2020-21 season on Monday, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

[B1gduff]

DD will likely opt in. He's not going to get 27 mil on the market.

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Sources: #Pistons (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Pistons)' Tony Snell is going to pick up his $12.2 million player option. No surprise.


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Milwaukee’s Wesley Matthews will decline his $2.7M player option for the 2020-21 season and become a free agent, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

[Robz4000]

DeRozan gonna opt out and sign with the Lakers/Clippers for cheap imo.

[gambit1990]

DeRozan gonna opt out and sign with the Lakers/Clippers for cheap imo.
i'm getting that feeling too tbh.

[buttsR4rebounding]

DeRozan gonna opt out and sign with the Lakers/Clippers for cheap imo.

If that were true the Lakers probably don’t do the OKC deal.

[Robz4000]

If that were true the Lakers probably don’t do the OKC deal.

It might be why they did the OKC deal tbh.

[gambit1990]

If that were true the Lakers probably don’t do the OKC deal.
that deal has to do with rondo imo. lakers are far from done in terms of making moves.

[PhantomDashCam]

that deal has to do with rondo imo. lakers are far from done in terms of making moves.

Supposedly going to pursue Wes Matthews.

[ace3g]

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Chicago Bulls forward Otto Porter Jr. is opting into his $28.4 million player option for the 2020-21 season, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

[cjw]

I wonder if OC will eventually have trouble offloading those picks. Keeping them all is difficult because the earlier ones will be up for paydays by the time the later ones are drafted. Boston seems to have more picks than they want too; parleying extra picks into a star is not nearly as easy as it sounds.

They’ll be able to offload them, but won’t get full value for them. Most likely path is packaging picks together to move up in drafts to go grab the guys they absolutely want. If nothing else, they’ll be able to draft their guys over the next several years.

[look_at_g_shred]

DD will likely opt in. He's not going to get 27 mil on the market.
Tf taking him so long then?

[DPG21920]

They are still working on trades. Im sticking to what I’ve heard; whether he opts in or does not he is not going to be a Spur. I thought earlier opting out would be most likely but it never changed my original overarching point that he would be shopped heavily.

I am just glad that it now appears the decision will be made BEFORE the draft.

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ESPN Sources with @ramonashelburne (https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/) and @ZachLowe_NBA (https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/): As Houston’s James Harden considers his future with franchise, one possible trade destination is rising to top of his list: Brooklyn. The idea of reuniting with Kevin Durant and joining Kyrie Irving is resonating with Harden.
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Durant, Kyrie, and Harden. Yeah, those are 3 guys who get along with everyone. :lolShould be a good locker room.

[Dejounte]

They are still working on trades. Im sticking to what I’ve heard; whether he opts in or does not he is not going to be a Spur. I thought earlier opting out would be most likely but it never changed my original overarching point that he would be shopped heavily.

I am just glad that it now appears the decision will be made BEFORE the draft.
Its been about a week since you got information from your source. That's expired milk. Get more info dude.

[TD 21]

Really weird to criticize PATFO in this case, in other words.

You missed the point. It was that if they were in the situation with Scumbag that the Rockets might be about to enter into with Harden, they'd be drawn to the Nets package.

Not saying they'd select it over a Simmons package though, saying that they'd take it over more of a re-building type one.

[Collins21]

Its been about a week since you got information from your source. That's expired milk. Get more info dude.

He said his source was another poster on here and if it's who i think it is then i don't believe any of it because that guy has a history of making shit up. If his source is not who I'm thinking of then you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[DPG21920]

Its been about a week since you got information from your source. That's expired milk. Get more info dude.

Lol only In this world is one week considered old. I didn’t say any other than he was being aggressively shopped/that he’s gone. I still believe that wholeheartedly. The technicals may end up being wrong (ie opting out vs not) but again the overarching point was always that he was gone one way or the other. All the rumors post my comments have aligned.

Be patient. Moratorium isn’t even lifted for f sake lol

[Chinook]

You missed the point. It was that if they were in the situation with Scumbag that the Rockets might be about to enter into with Harden, they'd be drawn to the Nets package.

I just think it's a weird accusation to make against them. They clearly were not attracted to Philly's offer of Cov, Saric and 10 (if indeed they offered all that) or LAC's offer of 12 or 13 and Harris. They wanted a star to build around in the same way Houston would if they want a Simmons deal. That they decided on what they did is certainly something most of us have criticized for years at this point. But there's zero evidence they'd be interested in Brooklyn's offer.


Not saying they'd select it over a Simmons package though, saying that they'd take it over more of a re-building type one.

I don't see a Simmons trade as a rebuilding move, and I doubt Houston would either given the rest of their roster. Unless they get a sweetheart deal for Russ, they're probably stuck with win-now role-players, and the recourse to Simmons ++ would be to try to make that work. A rebuilding package would be sending him to GS for Wiggins and Looney along with 2 and any other pick that GS has that's not nailed down. Or Minny could do Culver 1, 17 and filler. ATL certainly also has a rebuilding package they could offer. With a guy like Harden, Houston has the option to take back whatever package they want. The Spurs didn't have that with Kawhi, but they still tried to get the young star rather than the middling players and an okay first like the Nets look to be offering.

[gambit1990]

i just saw christian wood for the first time. it was a three second clip.

spurs should trade for him.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1328334749539184643?s=19

When you read this tweet really fast, it almost makes you think it said DeMar DeRozan

[cjw]

i just saw christian wood for the first time. it was a three second clip.

spurs should trade for him.

He’s an unrestricted FA and is about to get paid handsomely. If the Spurs wanted him, they’d need to salary purge or work through a sign and trade.

[venitian navigator]

I keep reading players deciding on their options... Did nba gave finally the deadline and its possible it's for today?

[look_at_g_shred]

I keep reading players deciding on their options... Did nba gave finally the deadline and its possible it's for today?
deadline is thursday

[DPG21920]

deadline is thursday

For most. It appears that ddr deadline is today (still unclear)

[Degoat]

Yeah I’m confused af lol if you go to hoopshype under rumors and go to spurs it says that Bobby marks tweeted the deadline was today for Demar but maybe it’s wrong

[YoungbuckMurray]

Yeah I’m confused af lol if you go to hoopshype under rumors and go to spurs it says that Bobby marks tweeted the deadline was today for Demar but maybe it’s wrong
Ya seems like a pretty important thing to know.

[DPG21920]

Tried getting clarification from Bobby on Twitter to no avail

[Dex]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1328334749539184643?s=19

When you read this tweet really fast, it almost makes you think it said DeMar DeRozan

For a second there I was wondering what Bruce Bowen was doing back in the league.

[Dex]

1328009133673619457

This guy seems to think he has until Thursday. Not sure how reliable he is though.

He runs a basketball podcast and has ties with projectspurs, but nowadays just about anybody with the internet can do that regardless of if they are tuned in or not.

[BWS-1994]

1328009133673619457

This guy seems to think he has until Thursday. Not sure how reliable he is though.

He runs a basketball podcast and has ties with projectspurs, but nowadays just about anybody with the internet can do that regardless of if they are tuned in or not.

Is it better for him or Spurs to wait after the draft? Or before the draft?

[Mugen]

Still quiet, guess RC and Pop are still sniffing around begging teams for the chance to pay them AND take their best assets :lol

[Dex]

Is it better for him or Spurs to wait after the draft? Or before the draft?

Considering most the trades that have been tossed around so far include 2020 draft picks, I'd say they better know by Wednesday.

[BWS-1994]

Harden said trying to force his way to Brooklyn? 0_0

[Dejounte]

The trades shall begin!

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Portland Trail Blazers guard Mario Hezonja will exercise his $1.98 million player option for the 2021-22 season, league sources told @hoopshype (https://twitter.com/hoopshype/).

[DPG21920]

Is it better for him or Spurs to wait after the draft? Or before the draft?

DDR is in full control so does not matter to him really. For him it’s just about no advantage to doing anything “early” so he will wait until last day he can.

For SA? 1000% better if it’s before draft.

[Dex]

CP3 to Phoenix:

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[Spursfanfromafar]

Thats 17 first round picks between 2020 and 2026 for the Thunder? Wow. Sam Presti practically owns the NBA Draft for the next few years.

[Seventyniner]

Another pick for OC :lol

At some point they will need to package some of those to move up or get a star, unless the NBA goes to 9-on-9 with a giant court and 4 baskets.

[Degoat]

I love how aggressive the OKC thunder have been in trades

[mo7888]

I love how aggressive the OKC thunder have been in trades

Yep... Presti is positioned extremely well going forward..

[Dverde]

Now OKC needs to sign Forbes to be the tank commander.

[CGD]

DDR is in full control so does not matter to him really. For him it’s just about no advantage to doing anything “early” so he will wait until last day he can.

For SA? 1000% better if it’s before draft.

Isn’t it preferable the day after? That way he can be part of a sign-and-trade as part of any deal leading up to the draft. He opts out before SAS lose that option.

[Degoat]

What’s so wild too is OKC could totally flip Kelly oubre, Steve Adams, maybe even Rubio for more assets

[K...]

Honestly i don't like it. While they can package those picks they've gone past the point of value. This trade may save some salary but Chris Paul is worth more to any team than that package.

We've seen this movie before with the Philly process. Okc is even less a free agency destination, doesn't have a roster of retired vets or a legendary coach. They have a famously cheap owner too. It'll be huge to build a team there again regardless

[JuneJive]

Presti did it once, why not again.
This time there's gonna be even more loaded drafts.
Especially the double draft ( I guess '23 )

And if he knows one thing, that's recognizing talent.
This is how a small market team rebuilds.

I'm a bit jealous.

[Gibbz]

Oubre is a nice piece--much better than Kuzma, TBH. 24 years old, averaged 19 & 6 on 45/35/78, and would seem to have the physical tools to be a + defender.

[SaTownFan]

Demar just opted into his contract

[Trill Clinton]

I love how aggressive the OKC thunder have been in trades

Hasn't really netted them much and Presti broke up Durant, Harden and Westbrook. Don't get me wrong, he's a good GM but a little over hyped.

[cool cat]

Yea OKC is now just a glorified farm team. Their new slogan "Watch the future stars before they join another franchise."

[Robz4000]

:lmao Suns trading a pick for that contract

[Dancelot]

Demar just opted into his contract
Better than him opting out I guess

[rjv]

everyone loves presti and his penchant for turning deals but, in the end, OKC has always come up short. now, this situation is likely different in that OKC has no shot at a title and they need to get returns for their assets but i have to wonder what the plan is for this team and what kind of roster and offense they plan to use.

[mo7888]

everyone loves presti and his penchant for turning deals but, in the end, OKC has always come up short. now, this situation is likely different in that OKC has no shot at a title and they need to get returns for their assets but i have to wonder what the plan is for this team and what kind of roster and offense they plan to use.

The plan is to suck this season and get a high draft pick in a strong draft next year... then start building around that pick. It's a good plan..

[Mugen]

Absolutely zero excuse to not move Derozan and Aldridge in the coming days now. I can only think of one reason the Spurs would hesitate to do so and hopefully that reason retires soon tbh :lol

[DPG21920]

Was definitely wrong about DDR leaning towards opting out. But doesn’t change the trade and in fact helps Sa as they now control it.

[Ocotillo]

With OKC doing what they are doing that likely opens up a playoff slot in the West this coming season.

[Sugus]

With OKC doing what they are doing that likely opens up a playoff slot in the West this coming season.

Probably to be taken by the Suns. Unless CP3 breaks down mid-season, the core of Ayton, Booker, CP3 is quite solid and should net them a playoff spot (or a punchers' chance at one, considering the new play-in tournament). Here's to hoping the Spurs youngings come out of the gates blazing and take it, though...

[John B]

Ayton will benefit a lot from the best PNR of the game. And Booker getting free some more? Suns just got to top 4 I think

[Mugen]

An expiring Derozan + 11th should get you into the the Top 7 at the very least. I could see Charlotte being dumb enough to go for Batum + 3rd pick for Derozan + 11th especially if they also plan on making a run at Westbrook.

Shit, all of those teams sans GSW make sense for Derozan tbh.

[Mugen]

With OKC doing what they are doing that likely opens up a playoff slot in the West this coming season.

Which should be filled by the Suns :lol, at least there's a play-in still.

[DPG21920]

Hopefully Sa learns from presti. It’s possible to be a shrewd small market and make trades that help your future while not being a total bottom feeder.

Just have to be creative and honest about your team.

[cd98]

I feel like we are going to be hearing "The next pick by the Oklahoma City Thunder is...." a lot this draft.

[Degoat]

Everyone has been saying how Aldridge is rumored to the warriors but would it be crazy to do Demar instead of Aldridge? I mean if the trade was Demar + 11 for Wiggins + 2, I think everyone would agree Demar is better then Wiggins plus he’s younger then Aldridge

[cjw]

An expiring Derozan + 11th should get you into the the Top 7 at the very least. I could see Charlotte being dumb enough to go for Batum + 3rd pick for Derozan + 11th especially if they also plan on making a run at Westbrook.

Shit, all of those teams sans GSW make sense for Derozan tbh.

Let’s just double down while we’re at it and add in the LMA/Warriors trade too!

In all seriousness, there are a lot of teams that don’t act rationally - owners care about having a chance to make playoffs and bottom line, GMs trying to save jobs. Take advantage of what many teams will see as a wide open title race and be a seller + grab a better pick next year too.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Is the Warriors deal dead?

[Mugen]

The 1000lb gorilla in the room is obviously Pop. I'm sure he has no desire to coach more young players, even lottery picks, during what is hopefully his last season as coach. It would really, really suck that the reason the Spurs are reluctant to acquire assets for DD/LMA is because of Pop but I have a sneaking suspicion that will be the main reason why if this dumbass FO decides to run it back again.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1328419828068192258?s=19

[DPG21920]

The 1000lb gorilla in the room is obviously Pop. I'm sure he has no desire to coach more young players, even lottery picks, during what is hopefully his last season as coach. It would really, really suck that the reason the Spurs are reluctant to acquire assets for DD/LMA is because of Pop but I have a sneaking suspicion that will be the main reason why if this dumbass FO decides to run it back again.

This is exactly what happened last year when SA should have traded DDR and LMA. There was a real possibly to move them both but Pop wanted to win.

So what happened? SA asked for the moon because the only way they were willing to hurt their chances at making the playoffs even a little bit? Was if someone made a stupid offer that they couldn’t refuse.

Now that Pop and Co saw the bubble and youth and how they can win more than they thought? They are entertaining it more and more.

[SpursDynasty85]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1328419828068192258?s=19

Does anyone know if The Warriors $17M trade exception allows them to make this trade without adding on any other pieces? (#2 pick only for LMA + 11).

[rankingtear]

Does anyone know if The Warriors $17M trade exception allows them to make this trade without adding on any other pieces? (#2 pick only for LMA + 11).

No. Contract must fit into the exception.

[Mugen]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1328419828068192258?s=19

:hungry:

[DPG21920]

Everyone has been saying how Aldridge is rumored to the warriors but would it be crazy to do Demar instead of Aldridge? I mean if the trade was Demar + 11 for Wiggins + 2, I think everyone would agree Demar is better then Wiggins plus he’s younger then Aldridge

It would be crazy. The reason they want LMA for Wiggins is because LMA legit helps them at a position of need vs their two biggest threats (Jokic/DEN and AD/Lakers).

DeRozan does not do that and Wiggins ability to at least take 3’s is a better fit than DDR.

[Mugen]

4 players (Patty, Gay, DD, LA) on expiring deals that range from useful to very useful to contenders out there, plus the 11th pick...

Spurs have a real shot to set themselves up really nicely and get a blue chip young player. I really hope they don't squander it because the old man can't bear the thought of coaching a rebuilding team. If that's what ends up holding them back, that'd be absolutely shamefuly. God I hope he retires.

[NASpurs]

:hungry:
Mugen bro, you’re setting yourself up. :lol

[Mugen]

Mugen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15519) bro, you’re setting yourself up. :lol

I know, bruh. But let me have these next 48 hours before "We like what we have" comes slurring out of RC.

[Atl Spur]

20+ years........ I’ll trust them to do what’s right. Some of the best laid plans fail......yet we still try!

[Realdeal1]

I’m gonna be sick if we run it back with last years team again ! Ugh

[Robz4000]

I know, bruh. But let me have these next 48 hours before "We like what we have" comes slurring out of RC.

Is that before or after they use #11 on some Euro we've never heard of that we'll never hear about again?

[Degoat]

I’ve been one of those snowflake fans who have spoke patience etc. but If we don’t make some changes I’m gonna be hella pissed

[Excessive Egotist]

DeRozan as a second move of a team going win now makes the most sense, particularly if that team has some cap space.

Phoenix just made a win now transaction, so a sign and trade (an overpaid Saric) and a pick for DeRozan gives Phoenix a core of Paul, Booker, DeMar, Bridges, and Ayton.

If Atlanta moves for Hayward, then adding DeRozan for dead money (Dedmon) and asset(s) yields Young, DeRozan, Hayward, Collins, Capela.

If Sacramento flips Hield and Cory Joseph for Tobias Harris , Spurs could move DeRozan for Jabari Parker and an asset...Fox, Bogdan, DeRozan, Harris, Bagley improves the Kings.

If NYK absorbs Westbrook, sending back dead money and assets gives Knicks...Westbrook and DeMar. smh the Knicks are so terrible.

None of these deals sets my world on fire, but DeMar isn't the main get in a roster overhaul, he's a complementary piece after you land a Chris Paul type.

[gambit1990]

:lmao Suns trading a pick for that contract
worth it tbh.

[Mugen]

I can excuse being dumb enough to keep one of Derozan/LMA around. But keeping both would be absolutely retarded tbh.

[Dejounte]

If a trade doesn't happen, the blame doesn't fall all on the Spurs. It could be that no team wants what they have to offer. You've got to think about that.

[Atl Spur]

People in here acting like DeRozan is trash���������� 22 5 5 is more valuable than most of you know!

[Dex]

People in here acting like DeRozan is trash���������� 22 5 5 is more valuable than most of you know!

I find it funny that the people who think DeRozan is trash are the same ones wondering why the Spurs' phone isn't ringing off the hook with offers.

[Mugen]

:lol there is absolutely a market for guys like Derozan. If the Spurs wanted to trade him, they could find a suitor easily.

[Dejounte]

:lol there is absolutely a market for guys like Derozan. If the Spurs wanted to trade him, they could find a suitor easily.

Ahh alright didn't know you were an agent/ GM. Tell me more since you're so plugged in.

[Robz4000]

People in here acting like DeRozan is trash���������� 22 5 5 is more valuable than most of you know!


I find it funny that the people who think DeRozan is trash are the same ones wondering why the Spurs' phone isn't ringing off the hook with offers.

He's a good piece if you have the right players like Toronto did or if you only wanna fight for a playoff spot. The Spurs don't have the right players for him to thrive and their postseason streak just ended.

[Robz4000]

Ahh alright didn't know you were an agent/ GM. Tell me more since you're so plugged in.

Bruh have you not heard of tspence? THE tspence? We have a group chat going with him as we speak.

[Mugen]

Ahh alright didn't know you were an agent/ GM. Tell me more since you're so plugged in.

He's coming off a season with good numbers and is on an expiring deal. Minimal risk for any team that trades for him especially if it's only going to cost you moving down 5 or 6 spots in a "weak" draft (See DET, ATL).

Shittier players on shittier deals get moved all the time. Just because the franchise has made 1 good trade in 20 years doesn't mean they're hard to execute :lol

[Chinook]

To be clear, it's not likely that any trades where the main incentive for SA is moving up are going to happen until Wednesday night. Even if they had a deal for 2, Minny's made it clear their pick is for sale. No point in trading up for Wiseman or whomever only to see Charlotte snipe him instead. That said, Paul going for positive value is a good thing for SA. It means it's a seller's market, and teams drove up the price on Paul by going after him so hard. Teams like MKE, BRK and LAC are still going to be looking for guards, and the market is shrinking. Assuming a Harden trade doesn't happen, the Spurs probably have the most valuable piece left to deal behind Jrue.

Also, it's interesting no one's mentioned the team going after Kelly Oubre. Gotta think he's for sale in OKC now. I'm hoping SA wouldn't give up a first, but he seems like one of the most obvious targets.

[ElNono]

:pop: "I like what we have (stops to take his Memantine pill) I think we can compete."

[Dex]

He's a good piece if you have the right players like Toronto did or if you only wanna fight for a playoff spot. The Spurs don't have the right players for him to thrive and their postseason streak just ended.

No lie, I'd prefer him to be shipped out too. He's proven that he is not a player worth building around.

That said, I don't expect suitors to just be lining up around the block.

[Excessive Egotist]

With Golden State and Phoenix now firmly within playoff picture and Houston and OKC moving out of picture, Spurs are lottery bound in '21. That Chris Paul trade was a big help to Spurs.

[Robz4000]

No lie, I'd prefer him to be shipped out too. He's proven that he is not a player worth building around.

That said, I don't expect suitors to just be lining up to take him.

Like Chinook said, its a sellers market right now. There's no clear-cut title favorites as of now and a pot of teams are one piece away from getting a chance. A lot of said teams are also up-and-coming with the room to take on DDR with little to lose if it doesn't work out. The Spurs won't get anything mind-blowing for him obviously but he should definitely fetch an asset or two depending on how things shape up with the likes of Harden and Holiday.

[Chinook]

With Golden State and Phoenix now firmly within playoff picture and Houston and OKC moving out of picture, Spurs are lottery bound in '21. That Chris Paul trade was a big help to Spurs.

Utah will probably fall out too, and NOP looks to be taking a step back. I wouldn't be so sure as to think SA will miss, though they indeed are probably the 11th-best team in the conference right now.

[cjw]

Does anyone know if The Warriors $17M trade exception allows them to make this trade without adding on any other pieces? (#2 pick only for LMA + 11).

They’d have to trade salary for Aldridge, but Gay, Mills or Murray would all fit into the trade exception.

For Aldridge, the Spurs could take up to 125% + $100k of his salary back, or essentially $30.1 million. Wiggins fits into it, though barely. Wiggins plus the #2 pick at $7.275 million (unsigned so salary doesn’t count) add nearly $13 million to the Spurs’ cap and basically push them to the luxury tax threshold. Add in #11 if they were to keep it, and they’re over. That doesn’t even factor in Poeltl.

Taking back Wiggins has other ramifications, and not just for the Spurs but any acquiring team. Can’t look at just that theoretical trade in isolation.

[TD 21]

I just think it's a weird accusation to make against them. They clearly were not attracted to Philly's offer of Cov, Saric and 10 (if indeed they offered all that) or LAC's offer of 12 or 13 and Harris. They wanted a star to build around in the same way Houston would if they want a Simmons deal. That they decided on what they did is certainly something most of us have criticized for years at this point. But there's zero evidence they'd be interested in Brooklyn's offer.



I don't see a Simmons trade as a rebuilding move, and I doubt Houston would either given the rest of their roster. Unless they get a sweetheart deal for Russ, they're probably stuck with win-now role-players, and the recourse to Simmons ++ would be to try to make that work. A rebuilding package would be sending him to GS for Wiggins and Looney along with 2 and any other pick that GS has that's not nailed down. Or Minny could do Culver 1, 17 and filler. ATL certainly also has a rebuilding package they could offer. With a guy like Harden, Houston has the option to take back whatever package they want. The Spurs didn't have that with Kawhi, but they still tried to get the young star rather than the middling players and an okay first like the Nets look to be offering.

Because they wanted someone to serve as their offensive engine so they could remain pseudo competitive. LeVert and Dinwiddie could fill that role.

I didn't say Simmons would be a re-building move, I said the Spurs would rather the Nets pu pu platter over a re-building move.

I'm well aware the situations are different. In the end, the Spurs took middling players and a late 1st.

The Rockets not stuck with win now role players. If they can land Simmons and offload Westbrook on the Hornets, then they can turn Tucker and maybe Covington (they might prefer to retain him) into a late 1st+ too. They'd just be stuck with Gordon, but in and of itself that's not that big of a deal.

[Excessive Egotist]

Anyone want to timestamp their predictions for which teams LA, DeMar, Rudy, and Patty will be employed by come Thursday morning? I'll guess LA to Golden State, DeMar to Phoenix, Rudy to Golden State, and Patty to Brooklyn.

[gambit1990]

let's call it a day boys

https://i.imgur.com/S8a8k9L.png

[SPURt]

Lord Baby Jesus, I know there are a lot of things going on in the world with covid and all, so you must be getting a bunch of prayer requests. But if you only answer one prayer, let it be that the Spurs DO NOT run it back with DD and LMA. Please use your magic baby Jesus powers to bring players into the SA organization that we can all look forward to seeing play for years to come. Amen. Oh, one last thing before we end this epic baby Jesus talk, don’t let Kawhi get another ring.

[K...]

let's call it a day boys

https://i.imgur.com/S8a8k9L.png

Spurs wouldn't do this to DeMarcus, okc would need to send picks because derozan is a better player,

[gambit1990]

okc would need to send picks because derozan is a better player
no one here even wants demar :lmao

spurs would get a starting caliber C and young SF.

on TOP of that, it makes aldridge more expendable tbh.

[cjw]

Also, it's interesting no one's mentioned the team going after Kelly Oubre. Gotta think he's for sale in OKC now. I'm hoping SA wouldn't give up a first, but he seems like one of the most obvious targets.

For anyone who was interested in Kuzma, they should love Oubre.

The fact Thunder have so many picks makes a trade with them easier to swing (picks help fill the gap). Spurs could do something around Gay or Mills as salaries match (OKC may want to route them to a third team who need a proven vet), and then could help OKC move up in draft.

Or throw in Murray for Oubre, and maybe get back some of that future draft value, though not sure how other teams value Murray.

[John B]

Anyone want to timestamp their predictions for which teams LA, DeMar, Rudy, and Patty will be employed by come Thursday morning? I'll guess LA to Golden State, DeMar to Phoenix, Rudy to Golden State, and Patty to Brooklyn.
Aldridge to Golden State, Demar to Atlanta, Gay and Mills stay

[tbdog]

Mills will stay and get resigned for a few million as the Spurs culture guy. I have no problems with that.

[BacktoBasics]

He's coming off a season with good numbers and is on an expiring deal. Minimal risk for any team that trades for him especially if it's only going to cost you moving down 5 or 6 spots in a "weak" draft (See DET, ATL).

Shittier players on shittier deals get moved all the time. Just because the franchise has made 1 good trade in 20 years doesn't mean they're hard to execute :lolI see no motivation for a team already not competing to give up a draft asset for a player that doesn’t move the needle.

[mo7888]

I see no motivation for a team already not competing to give up a draft asset for a player that doesn’t move the needle.

It depends on how you define 'moving the needle'.... for teams like Atlanta or Detroit 'moving the needle' is competing for the 8th spot... DDR moves the needle for them.

[Sugus]

It's gonna be a long wait till Wednesday night. Agree that it's a seller's market right now, and waiting actually works in the Spurs' favor. Just gotta hope the FO is in the same boat as the fans... The fiesta jerseys and bubble team give me hope, but I don't want to be TOO hopeful and end up disappointed.

We should do an official predictions thread on Wednesday morning, tbh.

[PhantomDashCam]

If the Harden trade goes through to Nets... :lol

https://twitter.com/DepressedNet/status/1328179907839619075?s=20

[Robz4000]

If the Harden trade goes through to Nets... :lol

https://twitter.com/DepressedNet/status/1328179907839619075?s=20

:lol change it to a brick and they got it

[Dex]

:lol change it to a brick and they got it

I would love to see Harden go to the Nets. Three divas who want to be the alpha but have never successfully led a team to anything. Durant is the closest but he rode the Warriors to his rings.

Vegas could make a betting line on which player demands a trade first.

[Robz4000]

I would love to see Harden go to the Nets. Three divas who want to be the alpha but have never successfully led a team to anything. Durant is the closest but he rode the Warriors to his rings.

Vegas could make a betting line on which player demands a trade first.

It'll be a glorious train wreck to watch, especially when all the casual fans realize Dominos will never be the same after Kirby'ing his achilles.

[TD 21]

I would love to see Harden go to the Nets. Three divas who want to be the alpha but have never successfully led a team to anything. Durant is the closest but he rode the Warriors to his rings.

Vegas could make a betting line on which player demands a trade first.

Give them the pristine circumstances Scumbag unwittingly lucked into in '19 and they (well, Durant and Harden) would have.

Now more than ever, in the contrived, "player empowerment" era, results without context are meaningless.

[ace3g]

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Milwaukee Bucks center Robin Lopez is declining his $5M player option and becoming a free agent, source tells ESPN.
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[Joseph Kony]

Rubio tweeted "what a business" and LMA liked the comment. incoming LMA trade confirmed.

[Ice009]

Interesting that LMA would be following stuff like this. I don't know, I really began to like LMA a lot more than I did previously after the Kawhi crap went down, as he did his best to keep us in playoff contention.

I'm not sure what I want the Spurs to do. On one hand, I'd like them to get a trade done for both LMA and Demar to teams that can contend (more so for LMA, don't care as much about Derozen going to a contender, as I'll still keep an eye on whatever team LMA goes to), and get a high draft pick to get a potential building piece for the future like James Wiseman in one of these said trades (it's still a gamble as he's not TD or D-Rob, but I'd take a chance).

On the other hand, if they can get rid of players like Mills, Forbes, Gay and some of the other dead weight, and get someone like Kelly Oubre Jr, I'd like to see what they can do one more year and maybe keep LMA (I'd still prefer Derozen traded, though).

[ace3g]

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The Chicago Bulls will not extend a qualifying offer to guard Shaq Harrison, allowing him to become an unrestricted free agent, source tells ESPN.

[Robz4000]

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The Chicago Bulls will not extend a qualifying offer to guard Shaq Harrison, allowing him to become an unrestricted free agent, source tells ESPN.

Its time to right a great wrong of the past. Its time to make Shaq a Spur.

[RC_Drunkford]

Its time to right a great wrong of the past. Its time to make Shaq a Spur.

beat me to it :lol

[ace3g]

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Sources: After turning down an extension offer to become the first $50M a year player in league history, James Harden’s message to Houston is clear: Get me to Brooklyn. Rockets and Nets have been in contact, but there’s been no meaningful dialogue. es.pn/3f4fHlO (https://t.co/qwJOQOxz5U)

[Dejounte]

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Sources: After turning down an extension offer to become the first $50M a year player in league history, James Harden’s message to Houston is clear: Get me to Brooklyn. Rockets and Nets have been in contact, but there’s been no meaningful dialogue. es.pn/3f4fHlO (https://t.co/qwJOQOxz5U)

Harden is doing a Nephew on the Rockets. That sucks so bad for them. Crazy...

Good thing the Nets are in the East.

[Seventyniner]

Rubio tweeted "what a business" and LMA liked the comment. incoming LMA trade confirmed.

LMA knows he's on the block. He isn't stupid.

[timtonymanu]

SMH I was liking the Nets under Sean Marks before all those divas decided to sign there. Add Harden and I hate them even more.

[timtonymanu]

Players bolting any chance they get now :lol. This product is such a joke

[Robz4000]

Players bolting any chance they get now :lol. This product is such a joke

Players only wanna be on a coast tbh.

[mo7888]

Harden is doing a Nephew on the Rockets. That sucks so bad for them. Crazy...

Good thing the Nets are in the East.

It's going to be interesting because Harden doesn't have the leverage that nephew did.

[Dejounte]

It's going to be interesting because Harden doesn't have the leverage that nephew did.

Isn't this the same timeline? Nephew pouted two years before his contract would end.

[Robz4000]

Isn't this the same timeline? Nephew pouted two years before his contract would end.

Rockets could trade him now when he has two years left instead of a year later after he drags the entire Rockets organization through the mud with his uncle.

[mo7888]

Isn't this the same timeline? Nephew pouted two years before his contract would end.

I think its 1 year longer for Harden because nephew didn't quit/demand a trade until the end of the season and had only 1 left under contract.... but, the major difference is nephew basically sitting out using the 'injury' excuse that Harden doesn't have. In this situation, if ownership is willing, they still have some leverage to play. Harden won't want to sit 2 years or be in Houston 2 years... that fact might persuade him that playing for another team for two years is a better option than staying or sitting out.

[Prime BEEF]

Anyone want to timestamp their predictions for which teams LA, DeMar, Rudy, and Patty will be employed by come Thursday morning? I'll guess LA to Golden State, DeMar to Phoenix, Rudy to Golden State, and Patty to Brooklyn.
LMA and Gay to GS. DDR and Murray to Detroit.

[mo7888]

The Rockets are finalizing a trade to send Robert Covington to Portland for Trevor Ariza and 2020 first-round pick and 2021 protected first-round pick, sources tell ESPN.-WOJ

[rankingtear]

Wow HOU is having a fire sale.

[NASpurs]

The Rockets are finalizing a trade to send Robert Covington to Portland for Trevor Ariza and 2020 first-round pick and 2021 protected first-round pick, sources tell ESPN.-WOJ

Wow, Covington nets two first round picks? What could we get for a slightly used LMA (or DDR)?

[Joseph Kony]

Weird trade for Portland. Do they really think Covington was the missing piece? :lol

[smush]

The Rockets are finalizing a trade to send Robert Covington to Portland for Trevor Ariza and 2020 first-round pick and 2021 protected first-round pick, sources tell ESPN.-WOJ

LMA is not going to Portland now. We needed those picks for that to make sense.

[cjw]

Houston getting two firsts for Covington is a win

[Joseph Kony]

Holiday to Milwaukee. the dominoes are beginning to fall

[cjw]

Jrue to Bucks for Hill and Bledsoe...

[rankingtear]

2 good fit trades.

[look_at_g_shred]

Somebody ask that ATL insider if he saw Covington netting 2 firsts lmao

[Robz4000]

Solid deal for Houston. What did Holiday fetch from MIL?

[look_at_g_shred]

Solid deal for Houston. What did Holiday fetch from MIL?
2 scrubs Bledsoe/hill .. kawhi haul doesn’t look so bad

[Robz4000]

Jrue to Bucks for Hill and Bledsoe...

:lmao if NO didn't get any picks

[NASpurs]

"Signficant draft compensation"??? How do we get in this sweet action?!

1328557876999237632

[look_at_g_shred]

Ok supposed significant draft compensation to follow

[YoungbuckMurray]

:lmao if NO didn't get any picks
Looks like significant picks

[Robz4000]

2 scrubs Bledsoe/hill .. kawhi haul doesn’t look so bad

That trade makes zero sense if they didn't get a pick. With Holiday the Pelicans are fighting for a playoff spot, without him and with those two instead they're not bad enough to tank but not good enough to make the playoffs.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Holiday to Milwaukee. the dominoes are beginning to fall

What dominoes?

[Chinook]

Somebody ask that ATL insider if he saw Covington netting 2 firsts lmao

It's not actually surprising, since Cov brought back two firsts last year as well. Minny just sent one to Denver for Hernangomez and Beasley for some reason.

Dumb folks keep thinking Covington is a great player. I think this trade removes most of the excuses from Portland, but I also think it doesn't make them tangibly better. They're just as likely to miss the playoffs as they were before this deal.

[mo7888]

It really is a sellers market... if we can't produce a significant haul for lma and ddr our FO should be fired.

[rankingtear]

If Nets get Harden, east should be fun.

[Dejounte]

Great trade for the Bucks. Jrue is a big upgrade to Bledsoe

[Chinook]

That trade makes zero sense if they didn't get a pick. With Holiday the Pelicans are fighting for a playoff spot, without him and with those two instead they're not bad enough to tank but not good enough to make the playoffs.

They almost certainly gave NOP 24 and a future first.

Sellers market and the big non-Harden pieces are gone. Are there any buyers left is the question.

[Robz4000]

"Signficant draft compensation"??? How do we get in this sweet action?!

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That makes more sense.

[DPG21920]

Covington fetched 2 1sts. Jrue 3. We are saying DeRozans value is so low that SA can’t find a positive return in this sellers market?? Wow.

What does that say about this FO and the decisions they have made?

[cjw]

That trade makes zero sense if they didn't get a pick. With Holiday the Pelicans are fighting for a playoff spot, without him and with those two instead they're not bad enough to tank but not good enough to make the playoffs.

Woj says “significant draft compensation”

Except Bucks only have #24 (from Brogdon deal) and gave up their 20 and 22 firsts. 21 can’t be traded. So not a lot they can give unless trading their 2024 pick?

[Dejounte]

Wtf? That's all it took to get the 16th pick from the Blazers?

[rankingtear]

God 3 1st and 2 pick swaps. If Giannis does not resign its the BKN trade again.

[Joseph Kony]

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Bucks desperate to keep Giannis, going all in to win now

[NASpurs]

Shit, let's trade LMA to OKC for all of their draft picks.

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[Robz4000]

If Holiday is netting NO two first rounders the Spurs should definitely be able to get something for DeRozan.

[Chinook]

Holy shit, MKE just gave up a Westbrook haul for Holiday. That's actually kind of gross and way too fucking much for Holiday. Sellers market like a motherfucker.

[NASpurs]

Someone kick RC awake off the floor, people are giving up the farm.

[Robz4000]

:wow holy fuck

[cjw]

Someone kick RC awake off the floor, people are giving up the farm.

Nah, all they’re going to do is overdraft someone at 11, and then run it back

[Degoat]

GD spurs!!! Do something lol

[mo7888]

I'm floored by that haul for NO.... even in a sellers market 3 1st's and 2 swaps is a huge overpay..... someone please overpay us....please...

Maybe wiggins +2 for LMA is not a pipedream

[Ron Swanson]

Three first round picks and two pick swaps. Holy fuck.

[tbdog]

I wonder if they'll attach a pick to move Westbrook?

[look_at_g_shred]

We like what we have

[DPG21920]

I’m sick right now for SA. Hoping they at least don’t make mistakes let alone do something positive

[Robz4000]

If Holiday nets three picks and two pick swaps DeRozan should definitely fetch a few assets in this market since Holiday isn't that much of an improvement.

:lol too bad RC is prolly passed out drunk somewhere

[objective]

I think Portland made a good deal.

1. They didn't have any wing size and Ariza was just about finished.

2. They haven't hit on a first round pick in 7 years. This year's draft is bad and chances are the 'safe' players like Saddiq Bey might not even last that long. Plus their pick for next year is lotto protected so if they miss the playoffs, they're safe

[Dejounte]

I think Portland made a good deal.

1. They didn't have any wing size and Ariza was just about finished.

2. They haven't hit on a first round pick in 7 years. This year's draft is bad and chances are the 'safe' players like Saddiq Bey might not even last that long. Plus their pick for next year is lotto protected so if they miss the playoffs, they're safe

But they said we missed out on Nassir Little??? He's supposed to be their wing lmao

[Dverde]

I’ve never seen a pelican fuck a deer until today. It’s like the deer just laid there and let the bird do whatever it wanted.

[PhantomDashCam]

Milwaukee all in...Geez. Boston could be LA's best ticket now if Hayward opts in, (Assuming GS deals dead). Want significant draft compensation in return though....

[mo7888]

I’ve never seen a pelican fuck a deer until today. It’s like the deer just laid there and let the bird do whatever it wanted.

:rollin

[timtonymanu]

Why does Houston keep bringing back Ariza? :lol

Feels like the trade deadline. Other teams making moves while we stand pat and focus on Bryn Forbes's contract extension.

[objective]

That Milwaukee deal is ridiculous in it's awfulness

If they hadn't wasted all their post-Giannis picks on scrubs like Thon Maker and DJ Wilson they wouldn't be in this position.

[look_at_g_shred]

“I’m back San Antonio! Looking forward to training camp and building on the HIGH level of play WE showed in Orlando” #runitback

[Chinook]

So who are the buyers?

LAC (though no assets), PHL, ATL, GSW, and MIN have all been said definitively to be looking for an upgrade

MIA, DAL, DEN, BRK and BOS are teams that you'd think would want to upgrade to keep up but might not.

It's still a third of the league who might be going for it. Only Harden (tier one obviously), Hayward, DMDR and LMA (2) remain as marquee-esque targets. After that you have to drop down to guys like Gordon, Otto Porter, Oubre and Danny Green for tier three and then shit like Rubio.

[objective]

But they said we missed out on Nassir Little??? He's supposed to be their wing lmao

I had Little at the bottom of the list of guys I liked last year based just on his physical attributes

He didn't have a good year and the future does not look bright for him

[Chinook]

That Milwaukee deal is ridiculous in it's awfulness

If they hadn't wasted all their post-Giannis picks on scrubs like Thon Maker and DJ Wilson they wouldn't be in this position.

That's true. I wonder what the second-best offer was like and from whom. This stinks of them panicking because they missed out on the Paul trade.

[Leetonidas]

:lol yall are so impatient. I would guess if Spurs make a deal it won't be until draft day

[rankingtear]

Woj trying to justify the trade now lol.

[mo7888]

So who are the buyers?

LAC (though no assets), PHL, ATL, GSW, and MIN have all been said definitively to be looking for an upgrade

MIA, DAL, DEN, BRK and BOS are teams that you'd think would want to upgrade to keep up but might not.

It's still a third of the league who might be going for it. Only Harden (tier one obviously), Hayward, DMDR and LMA (2) remain as marquee-esque targets. After that you have to drop down to guys like Gordon, Otto Porter, Oubre and Danny Green for tier three and then shit like Rubio.

NY is always a potential buyer too... I have to wonder in Charlotte or Orl will be a buyer as well..

[Degoat]

Hopefully GSW sees all of this movement and panicks and trades for LA lol

[Robz4000]

So who are the buyers?

LAC (though no assets), PHL, ATL, GSW, and MIN have all been said definitively to be looking for an upgrade

MIA, DAL, DEN, BRK and BOS are teams that you'd think would want to upgrade to keep up but might not.

It's still a third of the league who might be going for it. Only Harden (tier one obviously), Hayward, DMDR and LMA (2) remain as marquee-esque targets. After that you have to drop down to guys like Gordon, Otto Porter, Oubre and Danny Green for tier three and then shit like Rubio.

LMA and DDR's stock might be low enough at this point to be in the same tier as OPJ and LDN unfortunately, along with the fact teams don't wanna trade with SA unless they're clearly robbing them blind since they don't wanna look like the Pacers in 2011.

[Dverde]

At this point, I would trade DeRozan for David Griffin.

[Dejounte]

So who are the buyers?

LAC (though no assets), PHL, ATL, GSW, and MIN have all been said definitively to be looking for an upgrade

MIA, DAL, DEN, BRK and BOS are teams that you'd think would want to upgrade to keep up but might not.

It's still a third of the league who might be going for it. Only Harden (tier one obviously), Hayward, DMDR and LMA (2) remain as marquee-esque targets. After that you have to drop down to guys like Gordon, Otto Porter, Oubre and Danny Green for tier three and then shit like Rubio.

We know Phillys gonna make some deals with how aggressive Morey is

Harden is going to the Nets for sure

Minnesota has a 17th pick we could trade for

ATL isnt taking DeRozan and LMA doesnt make sense for them. Theyre the ones who may end up with Hayward

I see PHL, MIA, BOS, MIN as our trade partners. Maybe GS but only for the 2nd pick (doubtful)

[Robz4000]

:lol yall are so impatient. I would guess if Spurs make a deal it won't be until draft day

Bruh when you're seeing shit like this going down you wanna get in on it ASAP. Its like a $5 70" TV on Black Friday.

[Dejounte]

I had Little at the bottom of the list of guys I liked last year based just on his physical attributes

He didn't have a good year and the future does not look bright for him

Saddiq Bey = this year's Nassir Little

[mo7888]

We know Phillys gonna make some deals with how aggressive Morey is

Harden is going to the Nets for sure

Minnesota has a 17th pick we could trade for

ATL isnt taking DeRozan and LMA doesnt make sense for them. Theyre the ones who may end up with Hayward

I see PHL, MIA, BOS, MIN as our trade partners. Maybe GS but only for the 2nd pick (doubtful)

Don't sleep on indy or NY either

[td4mvp2k]

LMA is not going to Portland now. We needed those picks for that to make sense.
they feel they can get him next free agency

[objective]

Hopefully GSW sees all of this movement and panicks and trades for LA lol

Agreed

The pressure is on

[objective]

Saddiq Bey = this year's Nassir Little

At least Bey can shoot a little

[Dejounte]

Don't sleep on indy or NY either

NY has too many bigs that LMA doesnt make sense for them. DeMar is a crip and probably would disapprove of a trade to NY

[Chinook]

NY is always a potential buyer too... I have to wonder in Charlotte or Orl will be a buyer as well..

I think Charlotte is a buyer in terms of moving up in the draft. I don't think they're win-now with that roster. Orlando definitely would've been had Isaac not hurt himself. I think they sell Gordon and Vucevic off, try to draft pieces that actually fit with their talent and reevaluate next off-season.

As far as New York goes, I think they'll try to buy with cap space, but unless they get Russ for free, I don't think even they can consider themselves in a place where they can use draft picks. Though Randle and 27 isn't the worst package out there.

[cjw]

they feel they can get him next free agency

Is he signing for the veteran’s minimum or the taxpayer MLE?

[Dancelot]

All these trade packages the last couple seasons these teams are getting for their players. Fuck kawhi.

[Chinook]

LMA and DDR's stock might be low enough at this point to be in the same tier as OPJ and LDN unfortunately, along with the fact teams don't wanna trade with SA unless they're clearly robbing them blind since they don't wanna look like the Pacers in 2011.

They might be, but I think they're at least with Hayward and Conley (who might also be on the move), and they're cheaper. And I hope the Leonard trade still isn't looked at like the biggest heist ever given what we've seen on the market the past two off-seasons.

[mo7888]

I think Charlotte is a buyer in terms of moving up in the draft. I don't think they're win-now with that roster. Orlando definitely would've been had Isaac not hurt himself. I think they sell Gordon and Vucevic off, try to draft pieces that actually fit with their talent and reevaluate next off-season.

As far as New York goes, I think they'll try to buy with cap space, but unless they get Russ for free, I don't think even they can consider themselves in a place where they can use draft picks. Though Randle and 27 isn't the worst package out there.

I throw NY in there simply because they have a history of doing dumb things.... Cha though is rumored to be willing to take on Westbrook (w/o giving up picks)... If they get him then I'd think they'd be buyers to try and make a run at making the playoffs.

[Dejounte]

Does DeMar for Khris Middleton work??? They probably won't take that deal huh

[Robz4000]

They might be, but I think they're at least with Hayward and Conley (who might also be on the move), and they're cheaper. And I hope the Leonard trade still isn't looked at like the biggest heist ever given what we've seen on the market the past two off-seasons.

Prolly not the biggest, but the league prolly sees the Spurs as a vulnerable trade partner.

[Chinook]

We know Phillys gonna make some deals with how aggressive Morey is

Harden is going to the Nets for sure

Minnesota has a 17th pick we could trade for

ATL isnt taking DeRozan and LMA doesnt make sense for them. Theyre the ones who may end up with Hayward

I see PHL, MIA, BOS, MIN as our trade partners. Maybe GS but only for the 2nd pick (doubtful)

I think that Minny pick comes online as soon as the draft ends. Hell, it's possible that GS trades down with ATL or Detroit and then tries offering that lower pick and the Minny pick. We'll see.

I don't know that Harden is going to the Nets. Unlike with Westbrook, I think teams in the upper lottery will be willing to fork over tons of value for him. I'm not sure Houston will prioritize making Harden happy if the result is a way worse deal. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Warriors come away with him.

DeRozan actually does make sense for them for the same reason Hayward might. Did he opt out? If so, they could just lose him in free agency. If not, then I don't know that there's a trade between the teams. Does ATL want to drop all the way to 14? Would Ainge even be willing to give up 14 in this deal? DeRozan being cheaper works in SA's favor, though they'll have to be willing to miss out on some extra value to make sure they get a deal done before the trade capital dries up.

[Chinook]

Does DeMar for Khris Middleton work??? They probably won't take that deal huh

RGMers think Mids has high-lottery value ala Covington. So I don't think they'd take that deal. I'm glad too, because Aggie or not, the Spurs don't need that contract on their books.

[look_at_g_shred]

Does DeMar for Khris Middleton work??? They probably won't take that deal huh
We can just draft him at 11

[Dejounte]

RGMers think Mids has high-lottery value ala Covington. So I don't think they'd take that deal. I'm glad too, because Aggie or not, the Spurs don't need that contract on their books.

Really? I thought Khris was a way better fit for the Spurs and better player overall...hmm

[objective]

Is he signing for the veteran’s minimum or the taxpayer MLE?

Yeah, Portland will be close enough to the cap or even over the cap if they don't renounce Collins or Trent Jr. Maybe they could waive Nurkic and pay the $4 million partial, but he's been pretty good when healthy

If a team like Golden State trades for him an gets LMA's bird rights, even a pay cut down to $15 million will be a huge amount more than Portland can get to.

[Dejounte]

I think that Minny pick comes online as soon as the draft ends. Hell, it's possible that GS trades down with ATL or Detroit and then tries offering that lower pick and the Minny pick. We'll see.

I don't know that Harden is going to the Nets. Unlike with Westbrook, I think teams in the upper lottery will be willing to fork over tons of value for him. I'm not sure Houston will prioritize making Harden happy if the result is a way worse deal. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Warriors come away with him.

DeRozan actually does make sense for them for the same reason Hayward might. Did he opt out? If so, they could just lose him in free agency. If not, then I don't know that there's a trade between the teams. Does ATL want to drop all the way to 14? Would Ainge even be willing to give up 14 in this deal? DeRozan being cheaper works in SA's favor, though they'll have to be willing to miss out on some extra value to make sure they get a deal done before the trade capital dries up.

What's the point of watching the NBA anymore if Harden ends up with the Warriors? That's way worse than when Durant joined them. Filthy

[Degoat]

The good thing is this has got to put pressure on other playoff teams to look to improve

[Chinook]

I forgot Gobert and other Utahn vets might also be on the block. The Jazz have to be looking at the NBA now and realizing their core doesn't have a chance.

[Robz4000]

What's the point of watching the NBA anymore if Harden ends up with the Warriors? That's way worse than when Durant joined them. Filthy

:lol no it isn't. Harden is inferior to the Durant that joined the Dubs and its not close. The Dubs also wouldn't have the depth they had back then if Harden joins (prolly no Donkey either). They'd be favorites (not overly so), but one injury derails them.

[Dejounte]

I forgot Gobert and other Utahn vets might also be on the block. The Jazz have to be looking at the NBA now and realizing their core doesn't have a chance.

Would love to steal Royce O Neal from them. One of the league's best defenders right now

[Dejounte]

:lol no it isn't. Harden is inferior to the Durant that joined the Dubs and its not close. The Dubs also wouldn't have the depth they had back then if Harden joins (prolly no Donkey either). They'd be favorites (not overly so), but one injury derails them.

Meh. To each his own. Harden has been doing historic things for about two years now.

[Dverde]

I forgot Gobert and other Utahn vets might also be on the block. The Jazz have to be looking at the NBA now and realizing their core doesn't have a chance.

They should trade Mike Conley for Russell Westbrick. Westbrook loves Utah :lol

[objective]

I forgot Gobert and other Utahn vets might also be on the block. The Jazz have to be looking at the NBA now and realizing their core doesn't have a chance.

I doubt it.

They are more likely to talk themselves into believing that if Bogey had been healthy, with an improving Mitchell and O'Neale etc that they have a real chance

Developing guys like O'Neale just feeds into the mindset that they will make their own advantages with good coaching and development

[Chinook]

Meh. To each his own. Harden has been doing historic things for about two years now.

He's done that buy dominating the ball (and alienating the shit out of his teammates). He's not clearly better than Curry right now. I do agree with you that it'd be worse than Durant, but only because it came after Durant. It would be just like if GS drafted Tim Duncan at 2 after their controlled tank and went on to be a dynasty for 10 years.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/MEtjTKs6Ss8

Royce O Neale proves you dont have to be tall to be good at defending tall players. He's only 6'4" and abusing these tall players. You do have to be strong though.

[Chinook]

I doubt it.

They are more likely to talk themselves into believing that if Bogey had been healthy, with an improving Mitchell and O'Neale etc that they have a real chance

Developing guys like O'Neale just feeds into the mindset that they will make their own advantages with good coaching and development

I think that's true. But remember that Gobert was already on the block and might want to move on next summer, and there seems to be a good market to sell now. After him, you have guys like Ingles and Bojan who are too old to just wait it out. Being able to develop guys like O'Neal is actually an incentive to trade away their older core and build around Mitchel and future picks.

[mo7888]

I do think with Jrue and Paul off the board that DJ's value just went up.