official offseason thread [Archive] - Page 7

Dejounte

11-17-2020, 12:25 AM

https://youtu.be/MEtjTKs6Ss8

Royce O Neale proves you dont have to be tall to be good at defending tall players. He's only 6'4" and abusing these tall players. You do have to be strong though.

Watching good defense is so enjoyable. This is the reason i would be fine if we landed Okoro. Having elite perimeter D would be amazing. And NO, Vassell and his frail ass wouldnt be able to do this shit.

Chinook

11-17-2020, 12:28 AM

I do think with Jrue and Paul off the board that DJ's value just went up.

I wouldn't say that. Holiday and Paul were win-now trades. Murray is a "future building block" trade that'd appeal to a team like ATL or NYK. Those teams might not think highly enough of Haliburton, Hayes or Lewis to take them over Murray. If anything the two big PG trades help DeRozan's value along with like Rubio's and maybe even Bledsoe's.

PhantomDashCam

11-17-2020, 12:29 AM

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1328562566071791616?s=20

PhantomDashCam

11-17-2020, 12:31 AM

https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1328569200479178756?s=20

objective

11-17-2020, 12:32 AM

I think that's true. But remember that Gobert was already on the block and might want to move on next summer, and there seems to be a good market to sell now. After him, you have guys like Ingles and Bojan who are too old to just wait it out. Being able to develop guys like O'Neal is actually an incentive to trade away their older core and build around Mitchel and future picks.

To my memory, I don't think Gobert was ever on the block, only outside media and opinionators agitating to get him on the block. I've been listening to Locked On Jazz in my podcast rotation for years and don't remember Gobert being shopped, only speculation on whether the Jazz could keep the pair together and anxiety over a supermax for Gobert.

mo7888

11-17-2020, 12:33 AM

I wouldn't say that. Holiday and Paul were win-now trades. Murray is a "future building block" trade that'd appeal to a team like ATL or NYK. Those teams might not think highly enough of Haliburton, Hayes or Lewis to take them over Murray. If anything the two big PG trades help DeRozan's value along with like Rubio's and maybe even Bledsoe's.

I'm thinking more on the lines of Atl or Det... Atl won't want to put a rookie next to Trae and Detroit I think will be interested too but, they might be more apt to take a rookie like NY.

TimDunkem

11-17-2020, 12:33 AM

Spurs obviously like what they have.

objective

11-17-2020, 12:35 AM

RC and Brian Wright's idea of a big splash is 4/60 for Bryn Forbes

Dejounte

11-17-2020, 12:42 AM

RC and Brian Wright's idea of a big splash is 4/60 for Bryn Forbes

Fuck off

Dejounte

11-17-2020, 12:46 AM

No way NO is going to take in two more rookies this year, right? Surely they need some vets? LMA or DeMar would be good on that team ...

Chinook

11-17-2020, 12:49 AM

https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1328569200479178756?s=20

Gotta root for the Bucks to land him then, even though I'm not sure they have enough to get SAC to sign off on their part of the deal. I'd be curious to see if the Spurs could work a DeRozan swap into the trade.

SAS in: Bagley, Lopez
SAS out: DeRozan

MKE in: Bogdanovic
MKE out: Lopez, Divencienzo (or whatever)

SAC in: DeRozan, Divencienzo (o como quiera)
SAC out: Bogdanovic, Bagley

Spurs get a young PF as the price to eating Lopez' deal. They'd have to trade away Aldridge, but maybe they'd've already done it as part of an earlier deal.
The Bucks get their guy. No big deal.
I've heard the Kings want to rebuild, but this seems like a cheap enough deal to try to go for it another year.

Let's say for some reason that Charlotte hops up and grabs Wiseman at 1. GS trades Wiggins and 2 for LMA and 11. Spurs draft Edwards at 2. Then the Spurs do this trade, draft Woodard at 41 and basically call it a night (though Mills and Gay trades are almost certainly on the table). This would be their roster:

Murray, Mills,
Edwards, White, Weatherspoon
Johnson, Walker, Woodard
Bagley, Gay, Samanic
Lopez, Poeltl, Lyles

Not the worst team, though Lyles or Gay would definitely have to go, and a Mills trade would have to bring back a guard.

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 12:53 AM

Why did Sa guarantee LMAs deal? If they aren’t trading him they could have cleared nearly 20m off books.

Chinook

11-17-2020, 12:54 AM

Why did Sa guarantee LMAs deal? If they aren’t trading him they could have cleared nearly 20m off books.

Because they would rather play him? Like I'd be pretty annoyed if the Spurs waived Aldridge, even if his deal were entirely non-guaranteed. Dude is their best player.

objective

11-17-2020, 12:55 AM

Gotta root for the Bucks to land him then, even though I'm not sure they have enough to get SAC to sign off on their part of the deal. I'd be curious to see if the Spurs could work a DeRozan swap into the trade.

SAS in: Bagley, Lopez
SAS out: DeRozan

MKE in: Bogdanovic
MKE out: Lopez, Divencienzo (or whatever)

SAC in: DeRozan, Divencienzo (o como quiera)
SAC out: Bogdanovic, Bagley

Spurs get a young PF as the price to eating Lopez' deal. They'd have to trade away Aldridge, but maybe they'd've already done it as part of an earlier deal.
The Bucks get their guy. No big deal.
I've heard the Kings want to rebuild, but this seems like a cheap enough deal to try to go for it another year.

Let's say for some reason that Charlotte hops up and grabs Wiseman at 1. GS trades Wiggins and 2 for LMA and 11. Spurs draft Edwards at 2. Then the Spurs do this trade, draft Woodard at 41 and basically call it a night (though Mills and Gay trades are almost certainly on the table). This would be their roster:

Murray, Mills,
Edwards, White, Weatherspoon
Johnson, Walker, Woodard
Bagley, Gay, Samanic
Lopez, Poeltl, Lyles

Not the worst team, though Lyles or Gay would definitely have to go, and a Mills trade would have to bring back a guard.

No reason to keep White in that scenario. They could probably get something decent for him. If he's going to be sent back to the bench and minutes limits then better to move him on instead of paying him what he'll get on an offer sheet

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 12:56 AM

Because they would rather play him? Like I'd be pretty annoyed if the Spurs waived Aldridge, even if his deal were entirely non-guaranteed. Dude is their best player.

There is no reason to play him without putting in effort to win now. If that won’t do that then trade him. Otherwise clearing books was right move. Keeping him one more year was the worst option Imo

If you aren’t trying to win and aren’t extending him clear the books.

Degoat

11-17-2020, 12:58 AM

Probably nothing but Kyle Kuzma deleted/deactivated his Twitter, trade rumors bothering him? Or he’s getting traded lol

Chinook

11-17-2020, 01:03 AM

No reason to keep White in that scenario. They could probably get something decent for him. If he's going to be sent back to the bench and minutes limits then better to move him on instead of paying him what he'll get on an offer sheet

I'd much rather they move Murray for the long-term financial benefits. I don't disagree though. The Spurs might be able to turn him into another first-rounder to use on Lewis or Maxey and get four cheap years while Murray's contract tolls.

Chinook

11-17-2020, 01:05 AM

There is no reason to play him without putting in effort to win now. If that won’t do that then trade him. Otherwise clearing books was right move. Keeping him one more year was the worst option Imo

If you aren’t trying to win and aren’t extending him clear the books.

No. That doesn't make sense. You don't have to either be horse-whipping to a title or hemorrhaging talent. The Spurs have no reason to waive Aldridge when they can just not sign him next year. There's zero harm in not tanking.

keithington1

11-17-2020, 01:06 AM

Spurs better not sit on their asses while other teams are making moves. Do something, please

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 01:08 AM

No. That doesn't make sense. You don't have to either be horse-whipping to a title or hemorrhaging talent. The Spurs have no reason to waive Aldridge when they can just not sign him next year. There's zero harm in not tanking.

There’s nothing good that comes from it. It makes total sense. Sa is in purgatory and need a direction. Have for years.

Chinook

11-17-2020, 01:10 AM

Spurs better not sit on their asses while other teams are making moves. Do something, please

Gut feeling? The Spurs went into negotiations today as one of those buyers, not as a seller. They probably thought they'd get Paul for expirings at worst or that 11 would blow everyone else out of the water in Holiday negotiations. Now that most of those guys are gone, PATFO is down to looking at Hayward or Gordon and if that's worth 11 (it's not). They might pivot into sellers by the draft. Or they might hope to get small sips of value as the third team in some of the few huge moves left on the market. Having big expirings that can play makes them a useful trade partner for all three roles (buyer, seller, broker).

Chinook

11-17-2020, 01:12 AM

There’s nothing good that comes from it. It makes total sense. Sa is in purgatory and need a direction. Have for years.

I mean, I've been watching their games. I'm assuming you have too. I really enjoyed 2018. 2019 was okay too, though all of the young players being injured sucked. This year was marred by Forbes, but I still thought it was fine. Obviously I have my idea on how they should improve. But I don't think them cutting Aldridge is close to a good strategy. Pissing away talent isn't a "direction" any team needs to follow.

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 01:13 AM

Gut feeling? The Spurs went into negotiations today as one of those buyers, not as a seller. They probably thought they'd get Paul for expirings at worst or that 11 would blow everyone else out of the water in Holiday negotiations. Now that most of those guys are gone, PATFO is down to looking at Hayward or Gordon and if that's worth 11 (it's not). They might pivot into sellers by the draft. Or they might hope to get small sips of value as the third team in some of the few huge moves left on the market. Having big expirings that can play makes them a useful trade partner for all three roles (buyer, seller, broker).

They are alarmingly stupid and out of touch if they thought this. Signs of that all over like signing Pau to a horrendous deal and not even getting a CP meeting.

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 01:14 AM

I mean, I've been watching their games. I'm assuming you have too. I really enjoyed 2018. 2019 was okay too, though all of the young players being injured sucked. This year was marred by Forbes, but I still thought it was fine. Obviously I have my idea on how they should improve. But I don't think them cutting Aldridge is close to a good strategy. Pissing away talent isn't a "direction" any team needs to follow.

In a bubble, no. But that’s what letting him walk for nothing is anyways.

At least with cleared books you can be opportunistic

objective

11-17-2020, 01:14 AM

So Kings basically trade Bogdan for DiVencenzo

Huh

objective

11-17-2020, 01:16 AM

Gut feeling? The Spurs went into negotiations today as one of those buyers, not as a seller. They probably thought they'd get Paul for expirings at worst or that 11 would blow everyone else out of the water in Holiday negotiations. Now that most of those guys are gone, PATFO is down to looking at Hayward or Gordon and if that's worth 11 (it's not). They might pivot into sellers by the draft. Or they might hope to get small sips of value as the third team in some of the few huge moves left on the market. Having big expirings that can play makes them a useful trade partner for all three roles (buyer, seller, broker).

I am dubious of Pop being willing to go along with adding Hayward due to political differences, provided Pop is aware of them.

DavidTheGoliath

11-17-2020, 01:17 AM

So Kings basically trade Bogdan for DiVencenzo

Huh

those are good players that the bucks are getting. Giannis should stay imo

Degoat

11-17-2020, 01:20 AM

Good for the Bucks, rather them win

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 01:20 AM

So Kings basically trade Bogdan for DiVencenzo

Huh

Good player way cheaper.

PhantomDashCam

11-17-2020, 01:21 AM

Would Spurs trade Aldridge, Gay and 11 for Hayward, Kanter and Boston’s 3 first rounders?

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 01:37 AM

I mean how many stand pat be stuck in purgatory seasons do you need?

Robz4000

11-17-2020, 01:41 AM

I mean how many stand pat be stuck in purgatory seasons do you need?

As many as Pop wants apparently.

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 01:42 AM

rankingtear

11-17-2020, 01:45 AM

In a bubble, no. But that’s what letting him walk for nothing is anyways.

At least with cleared books you can be opportunistic

You keep saying clear their books, they are still above the cap if they let him walk.

Collins21

11-17-2020, 01:48 AM

SA has been lapped last 5 years.

Dallas is better and a brighter future.
MEM is better and a brighter future.
NO is better and a brighter future.
Okc is better and a brighter future.
Suns are better and a brighter future.
Denver is better and a brighter future.

They cannot do nothing themselves into a better future. They need a direction and creativity and a SEVERE change of approach. They are a bottom of the barrel front office for about 5 years now and it’s getting worse.

Nothing anyone can say changes that fact at the moment.

Nah this deserves push back. I can bet you that OKC, Memphis or NO won't be better than San Antonio this year even if they stay the same. If buy some chance that they are better what does that say about young guys y'all worship? there will be no Bryn or Marco this year so the young guys y'all love so much have to step up bottom line.

TheCerebral1

11-17-2020, 01:49 AM

SA has been lapped last 5 years.

Dallas is better and a brighter future.
MEM is better and a brighter future.
NO is better and a brighter future.
Okc is better and a brighter future.
Suns are better and a brighter future.
Denver is better and a brighter future.

They cannot do nothing themselves into a better future. They need a direction and creativity and a SEVERE change of approach. They are a bottom of the barrel front office for about 5 years now and it’s getting worse.

Nothing anyone can say changes that fact at the moment.

I will say for the first time in three years the front office are showing signs that the ship won't right itself. They are a perpetual 9-10th place finisher with this roster at best. We do not have a bonafide star. We don't have the depth, or creativity. We have a passive jump shooting big, who is a solid player and a bull chucking moron who is as average as they come.

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 01:52 AM

You keep saying clear their books, they are still above the cap if they let him walk.

Nope. Not if he was waived and Lyles and Jakob waived/renounced along with other free agents.

Robz4000

11-17-2020, 01:52 AM

Nah this deserves push back. I can bet you that OKC, Memphis or NO won't be better than San Antonio this year even if they stay the same. If buy some chance that they are better what does that say about young guys y'all worship? there will be no Bryn or Marco this year so the young guys y'all love so much have to step up bottom line.

OKC is literally swimming in picks for the next five years, NO has one of the brightest rising stars this league has seen since Lebron (albeit I think he's out of the league in 5 years if he doesn't drop weight), and Memphis has their own star duo in Ja Morant and JJJ. The Spurs' youth is nice but none of them are projected to be stars (Walker/KJ could develop into stars).

Forgot to mention OKC also has SGA who is gonna be special in a few years.

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 01:53 AM

Nah this deserves push back. I can bet you that OKC, Memphis or NO won't be better than San Antonio this year even if they stay the same. If buy some chance that they are better what does that say about young guys y'all worship? there will be no Bryn or Marco this year so the young guys y'all love so much have to step up bottom line.

MEM had a better record than SA all year what do you mean? NO too for most part and Zion didn’t play a lot.

Every team I listed except No has a better record and much better future too. No had a better record much of the season and has a trove of picks.

This wasn’t opinion. It was fact.

rankingtear

11-17-2020, 01:55 AM

Nope. Not if he was waived and Lyles and Jakob waived/renounced along with other free agents.

You get 12 million and lost 3 rotation players. Then what?

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 01:57 AM

You get 12 million and lost 3 rotation players. Then what?

We miss the playoffs (again), get a better pick and have the ability to absorb deals in a trade with sending less out in return for picks? Sounds better than missing playoffs and having none of that

Robz4000

11-17-2020, 01:57 AM

Only teams I can immediately think of that don't have a brighter future than SA are the Rockets, Bulls, Kings (nice prospects but truly awful FO/ownership), Hornets, T'Pups, Knicks, and Pistons.

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 01:58 AM

Only teams I can immediately think of that don't have a brighter future than SA are the Rockets, Bulls, Kings (nice prospects but truly awful FO/ownership), Hornets, T'Pups, Knicks, and Pistons.

In the West and especially in their own division SA has been lapped.

Collins21

11-17-2020, 01:59 AM

MEM had a better record than SA all year what do you mean? NO too for most part and Zion didn’t play a lot.

Every team I listed except No has a better record and much better future too. No had a better record much of the season and has a trove of picks.

This wasn’t opinion. It was fact.

Ok so you're saying all three of the those teams will have a better record this year correct?

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 02:04 AM

Ok so you're saying all three of the those teams will have a better record this year correct?

I’m saying in the most recent season all of the teams I listed had a better record (except NO who melted down in bubble) while at the same time having better youth and more assets.

Robz4000

11-17-2020, 02:06 AM

Ok so you're saying all three of the those teams will have a better record this year correct?

OKC will be worse by design but the other two will be better.

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 02:10 AM

OKC will be worse by design but the other two will be better.

And more importantly SA won’t be appreciably better than any of them by a spread that justifies the gulf in talent + future.

PhantomDashCam

11-17-2020, 02:12 AM

And now official...

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1328581484513464323?s=20

Robz4000

11-17-2020, 02:19 AM

So what does the Bucks roster look like?

Antetokounmpo
Middleton
Holiday
Bogdanovich
Lopez

Korver
Connaughton
??????

Solid SL but lacking in depth.

Degoat

11-17-2020, 02:21 AM

I guess bucks aren’t interested in Patty mills anymore lol

slick'81

11-17-2020, 02:30 AM

So spurs still begging teams to take lma/ddr:rollin

Same ol brian wright or is it rc shitting the bed?

rankingtear

11-17-2020, 02:44 AM

We miss the playoffs (again), get a better pick and have the ability to absorb deals in a trade with sending less out in return for picks? Sounds better than missing playoffs and having none of that

There are 4 teams with more cap space, anything above 12 and you're out. And if you wait for that chance your left signing players nobody wants. You go into a season with no decent front court and you'll lose a lot. It ensures you get the better odds , but also ensures your players are playing against second and third stringers every night. It also ensures nobody watches your games and you lose money. You get better odds but a better pick is not given, 7th and 11th best odds jumped the top 4 in 2019, 7th 8th in 2020.

PhantomDashCam

11-17-2020, 02:46 AM

So what does the Bucks roster look like?

Antetokounmpo
Middleton
Holiday
Bogdanovich
Lopez

Korver
Connaughton
??????

Solid SL but lacking in depth.

Wouldn’t surprise me if they attract a few vets and might be able to bring back Wes and Robin Lopez for the minimum.

Robz4000

11-17-2020, 02:54 AM

Wouldn’t surprise me if they attract a few vets and might be able to bring back Wes and Robin Lopez for the minimum.

Gonna need better than washed up vets tbh.

szkorhetz

11-17-2020, 03:42 AM

NO got more for Jrue than we got for Nephew.
Spurs FO is a joke.

EasyMoney

11-17-2020, 03:49 AM

NO got more for Jrue than we got for Nephew.
Spurs FO is a joke.

Jrue didn't miss 73 games with a chronic injury and demanded a trade.

buttsR4rebounding

11-17-2020, 04:23 AM

I'd much rather they move Murray for the long-term financial benefits. I don't disagree though. The Spurs might be able to turn him into another first-rounder to use on Lewis or Maxey and get four cheap years while Murray's contract tolls.

Murray would be a great fit for Minnesota. He brings exactly what they need next to Russell. Maybe for the 17th pick.

Dejounte

11-17-2020, 05:52 AM

https://twitter.com/SheaSerrano/status/1328575581051625473?s=19

Keep in mind, Shea is not a reliable source

Dejounte

11-17-2020, 05:53 AM

Yall dont fucking sleep? Lol

BillMc

11-17-2020, 07:08 AM

https://twitter.com/SheaSerrano/status/1328575581051625473?s=19

Keep in mind, Shea is not a reliable source

If we have to send out Forbes, I'm against it.

Chinook

11-17-2020, 07:36 AM

Murray would be a great fit for Minnesota. He brings exactly what they need next to Russell. Maybe for the 17th pick.

I think the most likely Minny trade would be like Johnson and Culver for DMDR. I'd love to get 17 in that deal too, but something tells me that if 17 were involved then it'd be as a swap for 11. Unlike a lot of people on here I'd be pretty happy with that deal (without the swap). Culver seems like an interesting and aggressive prospect.

If it's Murray for Johnson and 17, that would be interesting. It would require SA to draft a PG with that pick or 11. I'd still hope the team trades Mils for Richardson if that's on the table.

Chinook

11-17-2020, 07:40 AM

In a bubble, no. But that’s what letting him walk for nothing is anyways.

At least with cleared books you can be opportunistic

Or....

You can just play him this year and then "be opportunistic" next season.

Cap space isn't uber valuable like you seem to think it is. They are more flexible with LMA on their roster than they'd be if they waived him.

Chinook

11-17-2020, 07:48 AM

They are alarmingly stupid and out of touch if they thought this. Signs of that all over like signing Pau to a horrendous deal and not even getting a CP meeting.

Hard to blame them for CP. They had a meeting set up, but Houston convinced him to opt in and re-up with Bird rights. It turned out to be a fair better financial move for him, and I'm glad SA avoided that. I can't imagine how awful the culture would be with Paul and Leonard on the team at the same time.

Pau wasn't really a bad deal. People forget that he was a really good player even in his final season before he got injured. That basically ruined his career, but he was actually strong on both ends for most his time in SA. The problem with that contract wasn't who they were signing; it's that they (re-)signed him to replace Aldridge and then decided to not trade Aldridge. Also there was the structuring issue with them not just guaranteeing those first two years and increasing his salary. They've gotten into the bad habit of carry several million in dead money on their cap in recent years, and that's hurting them.

The dumbest thing they've done in a while was waiving Carroll. They should've held the line and just told him to stay home until the off-season. They could've easily rolled him into one of these proposed deals and not shoved themselves up against the tax.

Dejounte

11-17-2020, 08:05 AM

http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/30317250/nba-draft-2020-teams-most-likely-trade-down

Who has espn insider?
mo7888 ace3g rankingtear

mo7888

11-17-2020, 08:15 AM

http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/30317250/nba-draft-2020-teams-most-likely-trade-down

Who has espn insider?
mo7888 ace3g rankingtear

Sorry.... I used to have it but let it go... Kevin Pelton was nearly enough to keep me interested...

Twisted_Dawg

11-17-2020, 08:18 AM

Bruh when you're seeing shit like this going down you wanna get in on it ASAP. Its like a $5 70" TV on Black Friday.

Except Pop holding out for the 70" OLED at $495

szkorhetz

11-17-2020, 08:37 AM

If Phoenix is in win-now mode, and they CP3 trade indicates that, I would talk with them about DDR. I think Booker and Paul would hide his weaknesses, while giving them a mid-range shooter who would complement thair game. Does Phoenix have anything we need other than Saric?

mo7888

11-17-2020, 08:44 AM

ace3g

11-17-2020, 08:53 AM

http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/30317250/nba-draft-2020-teams-most-likely-trade-down

Who has espn insider?
mo7888 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43104) ace3g (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2345) rankingtear (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=44897)

No mention of the Spurs in article.

cjw

11-17-2020, 09:00 AM

Only draft capital but, im not sure they have enough contracts to send back.

I believe the Suns would have to send out $19 million ($5 million less than Aldridge’s $24 million). You’re right in that they don’t have the contracts to make it work, so can probably move on. They could guarantee Kaminsky, Payne and Diallo’s contracts and include Bridges and Johnson plus add one other contract and make it work but that’s their entire back end of the roster and not sure the Spurs want any of that.

Maybe a sign and trade works around Saric, but we know sign and trades are really hard these days.

Chinook

11-17-2020, 09:09 AM

I believe the Suns would have to send out $19 million ($5 million less than Aldridge’s $24 million). You’re right in that they don’t have the contracts to make it work, so can probably move on. They could guarantee Kaminsky, Payne and Diallo’s contracts and include Bridges and Johnson plus add one other contract and make it work but that’s their entire back end of the roster and not sure the Spurs want any of that.

Maybe a sign and trade works around Saric, but we know sign and trades are really hard these days.

I mean, the Kings and Bucks just illegally agreed to a sign-and-trade for Bogdanovic, so I'm not sure it actually is hard to pull one off with Saric. I'm just not sure I'd want to do that if I were either team.

ace3g

11-17-2020, 09:28 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/915224345680658432/AmJzw4Pl_normal.jpg
Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine) 13m (https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1328703153412431879)
Andre Drummond is bypassing free agency and picking up his $28.7 million player option for next season to stay with the Cavaliers, league sources said

Ice009

11-17-2020, 10:20 AM

Didn't even know Drummond was traded (shows you how closely I followed this past season). Who was he traded for?

Twisted_Dawg

11-17-2020, 10:32 AM

NO got more for Jrue than we got for Nephew.
Spurs FO is a joke.

Wrong. We gave up Nephew AND Danny Green, and got back a big white Euro goon, a bi polar Crip from LA and Keldon Johnson.

Excessive Egotist

11-17-2020, 10:37 AM

What do you imagine that Detroit trade looks like? Griffin, Doumbouya, and 7?

kobyz

11-17-2020, 10:37 AM

Spurs should definitely go after James Harden:
Murray, Mills, Walker, Luka, #11, future first for Harden
Spurs a contender: White/Harden/Johnson/DeMar/LMA... Before other acquisition

Drom John

11-17-2020, 10:38 AM

FiveThirtyEight Raptor

DeMar DeRozan, +2.8 Offense, -2.7 Defense, Net +0.1, WAR 3.3 (tied at #89 with Jae Crowder, Aaron Holiday, JaVale McGee)
Robert Covington, -0.3 Offense, +2.0 Defense, Net +1.7, WAR 5.8 (tied at #30 with Karl-Anthony Towns)

Mugen

11-17-2020, 10:47 AM

Meanwhile Pop & RC vetoing trades because "it wouldn't be fair to the other team." :lol

Prime BEEF

11-17-2020, 10:47 AM

What do you imagine that Detroit trade looks like? Griffin, Doumbouya, and 7?
I would say DDR/Murray/#41 for Griffin/Kennard/#7

ace3g

11-17-2020, 11:12 AM

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Magic swingman James Ennis will decline his $2.1M player option and become a free agent, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).
10:11am · 17 Nov 2020 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1328732385928761344) · TweetDeck (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

YoungbuckMurray

11-17-2020, 11:15 AM

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Magic swingman James Ennis will decline his $2.1M player option and become a free agent, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).
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I like Ennis he is a solid defender and brings energy. He’s a dawg

ace3g

11-17-2020, 11:41 AM

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Kings forward Jabari Parker will exercise his $6.5 million option for the 2020-21 season, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

look_at_g_shred

11-17-2020, 12:05 PM

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Dex

11-17-2020, 12:08 PM

1328740238789898243

This just in: The Spurs have traded Derrick White, Keldon Johnson and #11 for Davis Bertans and two 2nd round picks.

exstatic

11-17-2020, 12:37 PM

Saddiq Bey = this year's Nassir Little

He’s a coke head?

Dejounte

11-17-2020, 12:40 PM

He’s a coke head?

Let it be known

I was very vocal about not wanting about Nassir last year

As I am this year with Vassell and Bey

Y'all have to listen to me. I get this shit right!

Spursfanfromafar

11-17-2020, 12:49 PM

Two outlets - fivethirtyeight.com and theringer.com are high on the Spurs drafting Bey - https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/these-3-nba-draft-prospects-are-perfect-fits-for-the-modern-league/ & https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.163532476.1420089269.1605549631-223506790.1604600969#mock

My favorite pick in this draft is actually Okoro, despite his broken jump shot. The kid is an outright winner with his defense alone. And such kids turn out to do well growing up in the NBA. But short of getting Okoro, the Spurs will do well to get the best available 3 an D SF left in the draft. Bey fits the bill at 11.

Dejounte

11-17-2020, 12:56 PM

Sugus

11-17-2020, 02:57 PM

Can y'all wait until the Spurs actually don't do anything in the draft before you start screaming about how the sky's falling? My god, it's just one day more.

Insane trades went down last night. Mwke really risked it all... I have the feeling this solidifies Giannis resigning there, though. He was very clear in every interview he's given - he wants the team and FO to be on the same page in regards to wanting to win, and putting themselves in a position for it. Now the Bucks have sacrificed their future for win-now players. Even if they don't ring (which I'd love them to), I can see Giannis being content with this and re-signing.

Hilarious to see the Rockettes absolutely imploding. Harden to the Nets sounds like real fun, but IMO he'll end up back in Philly, reunited with Morey. Ben Simmons is by far the biggest asset Houston could get, and I can absolutely see Morey shipping him out. The weak Philly FO won't veto the deal in Morey's first season - it's almost a done deal in my mind. The league is changing at an insanely fast pace nowadays.

One thing I gotta say... I'm SO glad the Spurs are finally dropping the "stay competitive" act and look like they're embracing a rebuild. This is the absolute perfect time for it. In 3-4 years, right when our window should be opening again, most of these current "super-teams" and stars will be fading out, and lots of teams have mortgaged their future for win-now moves. Might mean less competition. Just gotta hope the Spurs make the right moves and can claim a piece of that future cake...

Degoat

11-17-2020, 03:05 PM

I agree the draft will really make the difference on how things go, you never know if one of Patrick Williams, Obi Toppin, or Onyeka fall to the spurs that will change my perception on how things have gone lol

Prime BEEF

11-17-2020, 03:11 PM

Dejounte

11-17-2020, 03:19 PM

Especially if they fall to #11 and the FO passes on them

This is 100% what's going to happen lol the draft night thread is gonna be fun to read

Prime BEEF

11-17-2020, 03:37 PM

This is 100% what's going to happen lol the draft night thread is gonna be fun to read
Yup

Leetonidas

11-17-2020, 03:42 PM

Harden to Brooklyn is "nearly complete." would be more intimidating if KD wasnt coming off an achilles tear at 32 and Irving wasnt incredibly injury prone already.

YoungbuckMurray

11-17-2020, 03:44 PM

Harden to Brooklyn is "nearly complete." would be more intimidating if KD wasnt coming off an achilles tear at 32 and Irving wasnt incredibly injury prone already.

where did you see this?

Dex

11-17-2020, 03:44 PM

Harden to Brooklyn is "nearly complete." would be more intimidating if KD wasnt coming off an achilles tear at 32 and Irving wasnt incredibly injury prone already.

And if they also weren't three thin-skinned divas who want to be known as "the man" but never really earned it.

szkorhetz

11-17-2020, 03:48 PM

where did you see this?
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260297/Report-Nets-Rockets-Nearing-James-Harden-Trade

PhantomDashCam

11-17-2020, 03:50 PM

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1328795963658539012?s=20

Think this hurts the Spurs who value culture and continuity above all.
Unlikely Spurs take on multiple new players including this years draft pick/s unless it for future capital.

Chinook

11-17-2020, 03:50 PM

So who are the buyers?

LAC (though no assets), PHL, ATL, GSW, and MIN have all been said definitively to be looking for an upgrade

MIA, DAL, DEN, BRK and BOS are teams that you'd think would want to upgrade to keep up but might not.

It's still a third of the league who might be going for it. Only Harden (tier one obviously), Hayward, DMDR and LMA (2) remain as marquee-esque targets. After that you have to drop down to guys like Gordon, Otto Porter, Oubre and Danny Green for tier three and then shit like Rubio.

So to add to this, it seems like Boston and Hayward are working to extend his option date until after the draft. This could mean one of two things. Either Hayward wanted to prevent the Celtics from dealing him on draft night (unlikely) or Hayward is gone no matter what and is giving Boston the chance to move him to a team he wants that'll let him keep his salary.

I wouldn't be surprised if that team were SA. They have LMA as a matching contract, and they could also throw Mills/Gay/Poeltl at the Celtics for Hayward and Kanter. If Mills gets rerouted to Philly for Richardson (who'd go to Boston for one of their late firsts), Gay stays in Boston to replace Hayward as the bench PF and Jakob becomes the Celtics' center of the future. If this is a no-picks deal or at worse a deal where SA drops to 14, I think it's worth doing.

Murray, White, vet PG
Johnson, Walker, Weatherspoon
DeRozan, Woodard (41)
Hayward, Lyles, Samanic
Aldridge, Smith (14), Kanter

That's an underrated team in terms of talent. If they can bring themselves to flip Murray and White, I think those units could compete with at least the second tier in the West.

szkorhetz

11-17-2020, 03:54 PM

So to add to this, it seems like Boston and Hayward are working to extend his option date until after the draft. This could mean one of two things. Either Hayward wanted to prevent the Celtics from dealing him on draft night (unlikely) or Hayward is gone no matter what and is giving Boston the chance to move him to a team he wants that'll let him keep his salary.

I wouldn't be surprised if that team were SA. They have LMA as a matching contract, and they could also throw Mills/Gay/Poeltl at the Celtics for Hayward and Kanter. If Mills gets rerouted to Philly for Richardson (who'd go to Boston for one of their late firsts), Gay stays in Boston to replace Hayward as the bench PF and Jakob becomes the Celtics' center of the future. If this is a no-picks deal or at worse a deal where SA drops to 14, I think it's worth doing.

Murray, White, vet PG
Johnson, Walker, Weatherspoon
DeRozan, Woodard (41)
Hayward, Lyles, Samanic
Aldridge, Smith (14), Kanter

That's an underrated team in terms of talent. If they can bring themselves to flip Murray and White, I think those units could compete with at least the second tier in the West.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/73850188/wtf-did-i-just-read.jpg

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 04:01 PM

So to add to this, it seems like Boston and Hayward are working to extend his option date until after the draft. This could mean one of two things. Either Hayward wanted to prevent the Celtics from dealing him on draft night (unlikely) or Hayward is gone no matter what and is giving Boston the chance to move him to a team he wants that'll let him keep his salary.

I wouldn't be surprised if that team were SA. They have LMA as a matching contract, and they could also throw Mills/Gay/Poeltl at the Celtics for Hayward and Kanter. If Mills gets rerouted to Philly for Richardson (who'd go to Boston for one of their late firsts), Gay stays in Boston to replace Hayward as the bench PF and Jakob becomes the Celtics' center of the future. If this is a no-picks deal or at worse a deal where SA drops to 14, I think it's worth doing.

Murray, White, vet PG
Johnson, Walker, Weatherspoon
DeRozan, Woodard (41)
Hayward, Lyles, Samanic
Aldridge, Smith (14), Kanter

That's an underrated team in terms of talent. If they can bring themselves to flip Murray and White, I think those units could compete with at least the second tier in the West.

If SA is giving BOS talent and preventing them losing Hayward for nothing they better be getting a first from BOS

Chinook

11-17-2020, 04:02 PM

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/73850188/wtf-did-i-just-read.jpg

Basically that the Spurs might be trying to trade for Hayward. Boston would rather let GH walk instead of taking back bad money, and Hayward would probably like to keep his big final year of his deal. SA seems like a team that would want Hayward, either instead of LMA or to put in between LMA and DMDR. If they offer Poeltl in an S&T along with Mills and Gay. Mills would go to Philly for Richardson (which has been rumored before). The biggest issue with this is that Boston is a clear above-apron team and can't take back Poeltl in a sign-and-trade without shedding a bunch of salary. That's probably why they are willing to let GH walk in the first place.

Chinook

11-17-2020, 04:05 PM

If SA is giving BOS talent and preventing them losing Hayward for nothing they better be getting a first from BOS

You're gonna have to get off the idea that SA is going to behave like the Hinkie Sixers. They'd be doing this trade to get a former All-Star on their roster, not because it's good future value. They aren't getting a pick out of this deal (which is moot because as I said, Poeltl can't be part of it). Hayward is by far the best player, and the Spurs are getting him without giving up a pick.

Excessive Egotist

11-17-2020, 04:21 PM

Boston already has too many guys under contract. I could see them sending back unwanted players (Poirier, Kanter) and giving up 26 or 30 for the trouble. They might have to pay to get someone to take those guys. Plus, they won't be able to roster all their '20 picks.

Ainge might package the picks together or he might draft and stash, but I don't think he'll keep all three of the later picks (26, 30, and 47).

Excessive Egotist

11-17-2020, 04:41 PM

Aldridge, DeRozan for Hayward, Kanter, Poirier and 14 makes sense to me. Or one of Aldridge or DeRozan plus Mills and Gay for the same package.

objective

11-17-2020, 04:43 PM

So to add to this, it seems like Boston and Hayward are working to extend his option date until after the draft. This could mean one of two things. Either Hayward wanted to prevent the Celtics from dealing him on draft night (unlikely) or Hayward is gone no matter what and is giving Boston the chance to move him to a team he wants that'll let him keep his salary.

I wouldn't be surprised if that team were SA. They have LMA as a matching contract, and they could also throw Mills/Gay/Poeltl at the Celtics for Hayward and Kanter. If Mills gets rerouted to Philly for Richardson (who'd go to Boston for one of their late firsts), Gay stays in Boston to replace Hayward as the bench PF and Jakob becomes the Celtics' center of the future. If this is a no-picks deal or at worse a deal where SA drops to 14, I think it's worth doing.

I don't think Pop would want MAGA Hayward, and I don't think the Spurs replace one over-30 former all-star with another.

I could see a BOS-SA-IND deal though, sending Hayward to Indiana where he's from and just built/bought a new mansion, and sending Turner and filler like McDermott to SA.

Turner makes sense: Texas kid on the Spurs age curve.

Boston could prefer Aldridge to just getting Turner.

Dejounte

11-17-2020, 04:44 PM

Boston's GM is the 'other' Daryl Morey. I forgot about him. I could definitely see them being active and trading with us.

Dejounte

11-17-2020, 04:45 PM

I don't think Pop would want MAGA Hayward, and I don't think the Spurs replace one over-30 former all-star with another.

I could see a BOS-SA-IND deal though, sending Hayward to Indiana where he's from and just built/bought a new mansion, and sending Turner and filler like McDermott to SA.

Turner makes sense: Texas kid on the Spurs age curve.

Boston could prefer Aldridge to just getting Turner.

Spurs' culture is diversity above all else. I could see them coveting Hayward and welcoming his views and having late night debates with each other cultivating knowledge and understanding.

Let's not forget, Spurs' ownership is MAGA as well.

itzsoweezee

11-17-2020, 04:47 PM

Trading for Hayward would be consistent with the spurs' mo of trading for other teams' trash

R. DeMurre

11-17-2020, 04:57 PM

If the Harden trade goes through to Nets... :lol

https://twitter.com/DepressedNet/status/1328179907839619075?s=20

:lol

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 04:59 PM

You're gonna have to get off the idea that SA is going to behave like the Hinkie Sixers. They'd be doing this trade to get a former All-Star on their roster, not because it's good future value. They aren't getting a pick out of this deal (which is moot because as I said, Poeltl can't be part of it). Hayward is by far the best player, and the Spurs are getting him without giving up a pick.

I disagree that 1) Hayward is the best player but even if you believed that to be true it stands to reason even more why BOS should give up a 1st vs losing a player of his caliber for nothing.

Chinook

11-17-2020, 05:02 PM

I disagree that 1) Hayward is the best player but even if you believed that to be true it stands to reason even more why BOS should give up a 1st vs losing a player of his caliber for nothing.

Nope.

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 05:04 PM

Nope.

Fine, have fun with your late 1st round pick and no Hayward, BOS. Good luck improving.

JuneJive

11-17-2020, 05:05 PM

Supposedly, Atlanta is going for Hayward.

I don't know what's the deal with him delaying the player option decision till Thursday tho.

Could mean a SnT?

mo7888

11-17-2020, 05:06 PM

So to add to this, it seems like Boston and Hayward are working to extend his option date until after the draft. This could mean one of two things. Either Hayward wanted to prevent the Celtics from dealing him on draft night (unlikely) or Hayward is gone no matter what and is giving Boston the chance to move him to a team he wants that'll let him keep his salary.

I wouldn't be surprised if that team were SA. They have LMA as a matching contract, and they could also throw Mills/Gay/Poeltl at the Celtics for Hayward and Kanter. If Mills gets rerouted to Philly for Richardson (who'd go to Boston for one of their late firsts), Gay stays in Boston to replace Hayward as the bench PF and Jakob becomes the Celtics' center of the future. If this is a no-picks deal or at worse a deal where SA drops to 14, I think it's worth doing.

Murray, White, vet PG
Johnson, Walker, Weatherspoon
DeRozan, Woodard (41)
Hayward, Lyles, Samanic
Aldridge, Smith (14), Kanter

That's an underrated team in terms of talent. If they can bring themselves to flip Murray and White, I think those units could compete with at least the second tier in the West.

Well, Gay, mills, and jakob for Hayward and Kanter is a win now move if we aren't going to amass draft capital. I'd still rather go rebuild but this is a plan b I guess. That's probably playoff team and then next year we have cap space, a few young guys, and a new coach.

Better than meh....but not great either because it prolongs the path back to real contention.

Excessive Egotist

11-17-2020, 05:11 PM

Ran this scenario just to see if it would work...

https://tradenba.com/trades/5vdpJysas

Picks would have to come to San Antonio.

Golden State: Hayward, Gay
Boston: Aldridge
SA: Wiggins, 2, 14, and GS and Boston roster dumps

Chinook

11-17-2020, 05:22 PM

Fine, have fun with your late 1st round pick and no Hayward, BOS. Good luck improving.

Fine, have fun not improving SA. I know a random fan of yours thinks losing talent is better than having it, but your front office doesn't intend to tank and passed up on a chance to improve the team's front court because they mistakenly assumed they were the only team we could trade with.

Chinook

11-17-2020, 05:24 PM

Dejounte

11-17-2020, 05:24 PM

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1328758444116086785?s=19

Is he washed up or would he be serviceable?

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 05:25 PM

Fine, have fun not improving SA. I know a random fan of yours thinks losing talent is better than having it, but your front office doesn't intend to tank and passed up on a chance to improve the team's front court because they mistakenly assumed they were the only team we could trade with.

Well then that’s fine. SA can still trade LMA for something or keep him. If you DONT trade Hayward however you are boned. There are no second chances after Thursday.

Excessive Egotist

11-17-2020, 05:25 PM

Boston couldn't get 2 for Hayward because they'd be unwilling to take back Wiggins and Looney.

duncan2150

11-17-2020, 05:28 PM

So to add to this, it seems like Boston and Hayward are working to extend his option date until after the draft. This could mean one of two things. Either Hayward wanted to prevent the Celtics from dealing him on draft night (unlikely) or Hayward is gone no matter what and is giving Boston the chance to move him to a team he wants that'll let him keep his salary.

I wouldn't be surprised if that team were SA. They have LMA as a matching contract, and they could also throw Mills/Gay/Poeltl at the Celtics for Hayward and Kanter. If Mills gets rerouted to Philly for Richardson (who'd go to Boston for one of their late firsts), Gay stays in Boston to replace Hayward as the bench PF and Jakob becomes the Celtics' center of the future. If this is a no-picks deal or at worse a deal where SA drops to 14, I think it's worth doing.

Murray, White, vet PG
Johnson, Walker, Weatherspoon
DeRozan, Woodard (41)
Hayward, Lyles, Samanic
Aldridge, Smith (14), Kanter

That's an underrated team in terms of talent. If they can bring themselves to flip Murray and White, I think those units could compete with at least the second tier in the West.

I can see that with Indiana getting Hayward, Boston Aldridge and the spurs a first round pick and some players for the salaries.

Chinook

11-17-2020, 05:32 PM

Well then that’s fine. SA can still trade LMA for something or keep him. If you DONT trade Hayward however you are boned. There are no second chances after Thursday.

Not really though. The Celtics don't need to get something for Hayward. The entire reason why he's looking to leave is because they don't need him anymore. They want to get a center, but they will have the full MLE if Hayward walks, and they have three firsts to pursue one. Heck, they might even outbid SA for Poeltl outright.

Chinook

11-17-2020, 05:34 PM

Boston couldn't get 2 for Hayward because they'd be unwilling to take back Wiggins and Looney.

Maybe. But I also think GS isn't willing to give up 2 for Wiggins. Remember that they took him back for only a protected future first. If they think he's that irredeemably negative, they probably thought he was even more so before he had an okay end of the season with them.

PhantomDashCam

11-17-2020, 05:34 PM

Supposedly, Atlanta is going for Hayward.

I don't know what's the deal with him delaying the player option decision till Thursday tho.

Could mean a SnT?

Boston supposedly wanted to get into the high lottery to take a run at 'Double O'.
Probably delaying opt in 'til tomorrow to see if he is still there at #6 and thus be able to swing the trade centered around Hayward and Boston's multiple firsts.

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 05:35 PM

Not really though. The Celtics don't need to get something for Hayward. The entire reason why he's looking to leave is because they don't need him anymore. They want to get a center, but they will have the full MLE if Hayward walks, and they have three firsts to pursue one. Heck, they might even outbid SA for Poeltl outright.

So they are willing to trade their firsts for a center or burn one on a center, but not use one for getting LMA who is a center and is likely the best they can get and who has a no risk contract? Make it make sense?

cd98

11-17-2020, 05:36 PM

Boston couldn't get 2 for Hayward because they'd be unwilling to take back Wiggins and Looney.

Yes, but GS isn't better with Hayward and Gay. They are better off keeping Wiggins and Looney (they like Looney and they traded for Wiggins knowing his salary so they might like him too) and using the number 2 pick. Hayward's injury shows he's lost a step and Rudy is closer to retiring. They are better off getting Wiseman, who is way cheaper and working on developing him this year. I could see a LMA trade for GS, but I just don't think he's worth the number 2 pick either. But LMA fits a need. Gay and Hayward don't really do anything to make them competitive with the Lakers and Clippers.

duncan2150

11-17-2020, 05:37 PM

So they are willing to trade their firsts for a center, but not for getting LMA who is a center and is likely the best they can get and who has a no risk contract? Make it make sense?

Maybe they prefer a young guy. I'm sure there are looking at aldridge or others like turner but if they like okongwu and think He will be a very good player why not deal for him.

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 05:43 PM

Maybe they prefer a young guy. I'm sure there are looking at aldridge or others like turner but if they like okongwu and think He will be a very good player why not deal for him.

BOS has been looking for vets clearly. It’s why they signed Hayward in the first place. They can’t keep putting rookies on their books and expect to improve. At some point they need to make a leap forward to be a real threat.

Excessive Egotist

11-17-2020, 05:47 PM

Excessive Egotist

11-17-2020, 05:53 PM

Gay and Hayward don't really do anything to make them competitive with the Lakers and Clippers.

Also, fair point. But perhaps the addition of Hayward just makes Warriors better than Clippers and Lakers.

objective

11-17-2020, 05:55 PM

Boston supposedly wanted to get into the high lottery to take a run at 'Double O'.
Probably delaying opt in 'til tomorrow to see if he is still there at #6 and thus be able to swing the trade centered around Hayward and Boston's multiple firsts.

Sounds reasonable, and the pieces fit together.

cjw

11-17-2020, 05:56 PM

Maybe. But I also think GS isn't willing to give up 2 for Wiggins. Remember that they took him back for only a protected future first. If they think he's that irredeemably negative, they probably thought he was even more so before he had an okay end of the season with them.

This is the million dollar question. Is there any difference with how they view Wiggins today vs under a year ago when they traded for him and picked up a first in the process?

He’s not very different than the guy he was when they grabbed him, and I thought it was a weird deal from the start (I’m not a D-Lo fan, but many other routes they could have gone than Wiggins).

kobyz

11-17-2020, 06:00 PM

With all the big teams getting stronger i think Warriors have no choice right now other than go for Wiggins and 2 for DeMar and 11

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 06:01 PM

This is the million dollar question. Is there any difference with how they view Wiggins today vs under a year ago when they traded for him and picked up a first in the process?

He’s not very different than the guy he was when they grabbed him, and I thought it was a weird deal from the start (I’m not a D-Lo fan, but many other routes they could have gone than Wiggins).

It’s not just the million dollar question it’s the 100M in taxes question. They would have to think he’s damn good for that.

cjw

11-17-2020, 06:02 PM

1328835383606587397

Joseph Kony

11-17-2020, 06:20 PM

:lmao :lmao Rockettes. Spurs about to no longer be the worst team in TX

szkorhetz

11-17-2020, 06:25 PM

1328835383606587397
Is it just me or Wall>>>Westbrook?

Dex

11-17-2020, 06:26 PM

Rockets PR group: We are committed to our stars and showing them that we intend to contend right now.

Stone: Let's dump RoCo for an older, shittier, more expensive version of RoCo and future picks

Fertitta: I don't intend to pay the luxury tax.

Harden: Fuck your $50M extension

Westbrook: Send me to Washington.

Rockets PR group: :cry Fuck you guys :cry

Joseph Kony

11-17-2020, 06:31 PM

Is it just me or Wall>>>Westbrook?
Wall didn't play at all last year and has only played in 73 games after 2017. hard to say what he will look like when we see him on the court next. but he's also making like 40M+ a season until 2023 :lol he is probably the worst contract in the current NBA

rankingtear

11-17-2020, 06:40 PM

Aldridge is the problem, just any move to get rid of him for a better defensive anchor would make this team better.

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 06:41 PM

Wall didn't play at all last year and has only played in 73 games after 2017. hard to say what he will look like when we see him on the court next. but he's also making like 40M+ a season until 2023 :lol he is probably the worst contract in the current NBA

Evidently not since DeRozan can’t even be moved :lol

pad300

11-17-2020, 06:52 PM

Evidently not since DeRozan can’t even be moved :lol

TBF they haven't been able to move Wall either...

PhantomDashCam

11-17-2020, 06:53 PM

J. Woo from S.I thinks Spurs are up to something too:

https://www.si.com/nba/2020/11/17/nba-draft-trade-rumors-newsletter

— The Spurs appear to be angling to move up from their spot in the lottery at No. 11 and are open to moving established veterans in what would seem to be an attempt to get even younger up and down the roster. LaMarcus Aldridge and DeMar DeRozan (who picked up his option on Monday) are entering the final year of their contracts, and this is a good time for San Antonio to explore trades, with many teams operating with an eye toward next summer’s starry free-agent class. A contending team could acquire Aldridge or DeRozan now, play out the season, and then make use of the subsequent cap relief either of those players would create.

Think the Spurs and either G.S, G.S/DET, G.S/ATL or BOS are most likely scenarios.
Again, speculation at this stage but all parties have something to gain from subsequent transactions...

Edit: Another tidbit from the article, CHI being very coy, could they be dark horse trade partner?

TD 21

11-17-2020, 06:55 PM

exstatic

11-17-2020, 06:57 PM

Aldridge, DeRozan for Hayward, Kanter, Poirier and 14 makes sense to me. Or one of Aldridge or DeRozan plus Mills and Gay for the same package.

Fuck no. Hayward is broken trash, and the others are just trash.

Dejounte

11-17-2020, 06:57 PM

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1328847604621352961?s=19

rankingtear

tbdog

11-17-2020, 06:59 PM

I would welcome Hayward. I like his game. But I wouldn't want him to replace LMA or DD, but rather a third piece.

offset formation

11-17-2020, 07:11 PM

Aldridge is the problem, just any move to get rid of him for a better defensive anchor would make this team better.

Holy shit! You know Pop and several others have praised him exactly for the opposite of what you state? That he is their defensive anchor, plays great defense, on both on his man and help defense. He plays most every big in this league to a draw on most nights, including Anthony Davis and the Joker.

Like what the fuck are you smoking? He is far from the primary problem on this team and statements like this just make me not be able to take you seriously.

gambit1990

11-17-2020, 07:15 PM

Fuck no. Hayward is broken trash, and the others are just trash.
:lol

i'd take kanter off the bench though tbh.

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 07:16 PM

WashWizards get:

DeMar DeRozan
LaMarcus Aldridge

Spurs get:
John Wall
Troy Brown Jr.
2020 - RD 1
2022 - RD 1

https://tradenba.com/trades/JuI_rM6-y

Nah right? We aren’t doing something that silly...wait...nah

The Truth #6

11-17-2020, 07:17 PM

It's amazing how many people have jumped to conclusions based on an 8 game sample size in a "bubble" and have decided Aldridge "is the problem", DeRozan "fits better with the young guys" and that the collective youth (with no clear centerpiece) has a high upside.

This once again illustrates DeRozan's trade value or lack thereof. The fact that they'd prefer a gimpy player, who can no longer handle a star's workload, speaks volumes. I don't blame them either.

LMA sucked before the bubble for a while and doesn't fit well with the team or, frankly, the league. Extremely hesitant to adapt his game and just shoot 3s like the team needed. Years of clamoring for his "touches". To me, that's enough of a sample size.

As for DMDM, most of the same still applies, but at least he showed (along with the team) some marked improvement. I'm not saying it's proof of anything longterm but it shouldn't be discounted completely. Yes, there were many other factors in the bubble: no Forbes and the young players actually got some run.

So: If we can trade LMA, then it seems like a no brainer. If we can trade DMDR also, then I'm ok with that too.

gambit1990

11-17-2020, 07:20 PM

Leetonidas

11-17-2020, 07:23 PM

BWS-1994

11-17-2020, 07:23 PM

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1328847604621352961?s=19

rankingtear

Is this what the ATL insider called? Too much information from his articles, I can no longer remember...

objective

11-17-2020, 07:24 PM

Robz4000

11-17-2020, 07:24 PM

gambit1990

11-17-2020, 07:25 PM

dpg is the next brian wright.

DPG21920

11-17-2020, 07:26 PM

I said nah

Chinook

11-17-2020, 07:28 PM

Bucks bringing back one of their old assistants and shot doctors who worked with young Giannis.

Fingers crossed that now with these moves Giannis announces that he's signing that supermax, that will hopefully force the teams saving for him in 2021 to turn their attention to LMA and DDR for next year and up the trade value

You want teams to be hoping for Giannis if the goal is to get value from teams looking toward 2021. Those teams will want to be good this year and to save money. That creates a better market for quality expirings like the Spurs have. If they don't think 2021 is going to be worth it, then they'd probably just wait to sign the Spurs guys next summer.

Chinook

11-17-2020, 07:30 PM

LMA sucked before the bubble for a while and doesn't fit well with the team or, frankly, the league. Extremely hesitant to adapt his game and just shoot 3s like the team needed. Years of clamoring for his "touches". To me, that's enough of a sample size.

As for DMDM, most of the same still applies, but at least he showed (along with the team) some marked improvement. I'm not saying it's proof of anything longterm but it shouldn't be discounted completely. Yes, there were many other factors in the bubble: no Forbes and the young players actually got some run.

So: If we can trade LMA, then it seems like a no brainer. If we can trade DMDR also, then I'm ok with that too.

I mean, I disagree with basically everything you said. I think some of it is just a difference of opinion, but a couple of things are just factually wrong.

objective

11-17-2020, 07:37 PM

You want teams to be hoping for Giannis if the goal is to get value from teams looking toward 2021. Those teams will want to be good this year and to save money. That creates a better market for quality expirings like the Spurs have. If they don't think 2021 is going to be worth it, then they'd probably just wait to sign the Spurs guys next summer.

Disagree. Teams that go into the trade market with the mindset of being able to renounce that player to get Giannis aren't motivated to give anything up for this coming year. Because what they value first is cap space, the player is only second.

If they have to come to terms that there is no Giannis, then they try to win this year and have the inside track on keeping the player. The priority becomes winning first, if that goes well then second keeping the player, third capspace.

Especially because the Giannis wanting teams have already cleared the capspace on the horizon, like Miami and Dallas and Toronto.

TD 21

11-17-2020, 07:40 PM

LMA sucked before the bubble for a while and doesn't fit well with the team or, frankly, the league. Extremely hesitant to adapt his game and just shoot 3s like the team needed. Years of clamoring for his "touches". To me, that's enough of a sample size.

As for DMDM, most of the same still applies, but at least he showed (along with the team) some marked improvement. I'm not saying it's proof of anything longterm but it shouldn't be discounted completely. Yes, there were many other factors in the bubble: no Forbes and the young players actually got some run.

So: If we can trade LMA, then it seems like a no brainer. If we can trade DMDR also, then I'm ok with that too.

He was 34 and had to adapt to fit with lesser players, which he did. He's a better player and fit with the youth because he can actually play off of them.

It's DeRozan who doesn't fit well with the league which is why he has such poor trade value in his prime.

Chinook

11-17-2020, 07:42 PM

Disagree. Teams that go into the trade market with the mindset of being able to renounce that player to get Giannis aren't motivated to give anything up for this coming year. Because what they value first is cap space, the player is only second.

If they have to come to terms that there is no Giannis, then they try to win this year and have the inside track on keeping the player. The priority becomes winning first, if that goes well then second keeping the player, third capspace.

Especially because the Giannis wanting teams already have already cleared the capspace on the horizon, like Miami and Dallas and Toronto.

Nah. Teams that aren't MKE need to prove to Giannis they can win with him. That's supposedly why he's considering leaving in the first place. He's not going to join some terrible team. A team like Dallas also needs to clear space to make a run at Giannis, and they might be willing to give up 18 to do that. If there's no Giannis, they probably dont' think it's worth it.

rankingtear

11-17-2020, 07:52 PM

Holy shit! You know Pop and several others have praised him exactly for the opposite of what you state? That he is their defensive anchor, plays great defense, on both on his man and help defense. He plays most every big in this league to a draw on most nights, including Anthony Davis and the Joker.

Like what the fuck are you smoking? He is far from the primary problem on this team and statements like this just make me not be able to take you seriously.

He is a drop coverage big who isn't a top tier shot blocker. Drop bigs who aren't great shotblockers usually compensate for it with great hands, see the steal rate of Jokic and Nurkic. His defensive rebounding is also lower than similar drop bigs. I won't blame him this is the first season he has to play the position full time, maybe the communication and reads are not there yet.

objective

11-17-2020, 07:59 PM

Nah. Teams that aren't MKE need to prove to Giannis they can win with him. That's supposedly why he's considering leaving in the first place. He's not going to join some terrible team. A team like Dallas also needs to clear space to make a run at Giannis, and they might be willing to give up 18 to do that. If there's no Giannis, they probably dont' think it's worth it.

Miami and Toronto aren't terrible teams at all, and neither is Dallas

Dallas won't have much to clear and can wait to dump off guys like Seth for free and stretch Delon Wright

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11-17-2020, 08:14 PM

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Chinook

11-17-2020, 08:15 PM

Miami and Toronto aren't terrible teams at all, and neither is Dallas

They aren't, but they also aren't going to get Giannis to leave MKE by being clearly inferior teams like they are now. None of those teams is likelier to acquire LMA or DMDR as alternatives to Giannis, especially this season. They're all going to try to win this year as much as they can without jeopardizing their cap.

Dallas won't have much to clear and can wait to dump off guys like Seth for free and stretch Delon Wright

Remember, the cap is projected to go up by $3-10 Million in 2021. That's a min-max. So Dallas right now is looking at having between $24 and $31 Million in cap space. That's not just a Curry dump and Wright waiver away, especially if they keep 18 this year and get a low increase in the cap. Also, it's not clear that dumping that much talent is preferable.

CGD

11-17-2020, 08:16 PM

Has anyone seen anything ele on Mills being shopped? Last I read was Philly and Bucks right?

objective

11-17-2020, 08:20 PM

They aren't, but they also aren't going to get Giannis to leave MKE by being clearly inferior teams like they are now. None of those teams is likelier to acquire LMA or DMDR as alternatives to Giannis, especially this season. They're all going to try to win this year as much as they can without jeopardizing their cap.

Remember, the cap is projected to go up by $3-10 Million in 2021. That's a min-max. So Dallas right now is looking at having between $24 and $31 Million in cap space. That's not just a Curry dump and Wright waiver away, especially if they keep 18 this year and get a low increase in the cap. Also, it's not clear that dumping that much talent is preferable.

Sorry, agree to disagree. They aren't clearly inferior.

GAustex

11-17-2020, 08:22 PM

gambit1990

11-17-2020, 08:23 PM

Miami and Toronto aren't terrible teams at all, and neither is Dallas

The Truth #6

11-17-2020, 08:40 PM

He was 34 and had to adapt to fit with lesser players, which he did. He's a better player and fit with the youth because he can actually play off of them.

It's DeRozan who doesn't fit well with the league which is why he has such poor trade value in his prime.

If he would commit to being a stretch 5, then that would make sense. He moved in that direction some, yes, but I’m not convinced he will fully embrace it. He still hasn’t.

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11-17-2020, 08:54 PM

He is a drop coverage big who isn't a top tier shot blocker. Drop bigs who aren't great shotblockers usually compensate for it with great hands, see the steal rate of Jokic and Nurkic. His defensive rebounding is also lower than similar drop bigs. I won't blame him this is the first season he has to play the position full time, maybe the communication and reads are not there yet.

He also plays in a division and in an era with teams like the Rockets that require him to be 15 feet or more from the basket most times. Also, because of the guards we had with lineups like Bryn and Marco, teams commonly switched their bigs onto Bryn in mismatches, leaving LMA, 25 feet from the basket. It's how stats lie to us.

The year before when he wasn't playing heavy minutes with them his boards were higher per 40 than what he ever had in Portland.

The Truth #6

11-17-2020, 09:03 PM

I mean, I disagree with basically everything you said. I think some of it is just a difference of opinion, but a couple of things are just factually wrong.

So you love LaMarcus Aldridge? You love DeMar DeRozan? You want to keep them both? You declined to offer any shades of gray to your reply, or details, so I will assume that is your opinion. That is not a hill I want to die on.

Degoat

11-17-2020, 09:12 PM

Spurs posted a video on Instagram of LMA talking about his draft night experience, he ain’t going anywhere lol jk but maybe :pctoss:pctoss:pctoss

Chinook

11-17-2020, 09:15 PM

So you love LaMarcus Aldridge? You love DeMar DeRozan? You want to keep them both? You declined to offer any shades of gray to your reply, or details, so I will assume that is your opinion. That is not a hill I want to die on.

Like you can not like LMA if you want, but most of your justifications are not right.

talkspurs

11-17-2020, 10:07 PM

Chinook

11-17-2020, 10:09 PM

They also got rid of an overplayed player that did not fit with their team and and 2nd.

I mean, it's not like that overpaid, poor-fitting player just materialized on their team.

rankingtear

11-17-2020, 10:46 PM

He also plays in a division and in an era with teams like the Rockets that require him to be 15 feet or more from the basket most times. Also, because of the guards we had with lineups like Bryn and Marco, teams commonly switched their bigs onto Bryn in mismatches, leaving LMA, 25 feet from the basket. It's how stats lie to us.
The year before when he wasn't playing heavy minutes with them his boards were higher per 40 than what he ever had in Portland.

I don't see the point of the era or comparing rebounds numbers with himself. Let's just say he is a natural PF forced to play center because he slowed down. He is not a disaster defensively but his defense is personnel dependent and feel for that end is lacking experience or limited by mobility.

The highest net rating lineups in the league is one with a defensive anchor like Gobert. Same with us all poeltl lineups have the highest net rating with or without bryn/marco.

Chinook

11-17-2020, 11:05 PM

Aldridge was one of the anchors for a tremendous defense in 2016-2017. It certainly wasn't all him, but bad defensive centers would kill any defensive scheme.

rankingtear

11-17-2020, 11:19 PM

Aldridge was one of the anchors for a tremendous defense in 2016-2017. It certainly wasn't all him, but bad defensive centers would kill any defensive scheme.

Wasn't that the Dedmon and Pau center rotation.

Chinook

11-17-2020, 11:35 PM

Wasn't that the Dedmon and Pau center rotation.

Spurs Pau was a much better defender than folks are remembering nowadays (seeing as how all of the sudden he's back in the crosshairs), but it was having twin towers that made it so hard inside. Aldridge still have PFish mobility then. Actually, his mobility is still pretty good. He's not switchable, but he's can help pretty reliably.

tbdog

11-17-2020, 11:54 PM

Pau first year was very solid. We had a good team. I also liked David Lee game on that team. What a disaster it became. Leonard never plays healthy for us again. Tony Parker was given an early retirement reminder. Lee never plays again.

Then what was it, the season after when Murray, White, Walker all get injured in the pre season and the birth of the starting Forbes begins.

rankingtear

11-18-2020, 12:11 AM

GS and PHI hasn't made a trade yet so we are still good. Harden being available might have stalled all trades now.

pad300

11-18-2020, 12:26 AM

...
Remember, the cap is projected to go up by $3-10 Million in 2021...

Cap if going to UP next year?!? WTF does that come from? They're talking a 72 game season; 72/82 is 88% of gate, before adjusting for reduced stadium seating due to COVID. How does that result in "Basketball Related Income" going up (and thus the cap going up)?

Chinook

11-18-2020, 12:36 AM

Cap if going to UP next year?!? WTF does that come from? They're talking a 72 game season; 72/82 is 88% of gate, before adjusting for reduced stadium seating due to COVID. How does that result in "Basketball Related Income" going up (and thus the cap going up)?

It's part of the cap-smoothing that happened. Basically the NBA guaranteed the cap would stay the same this year and then rise between those numbers for the rest of the life of the CBA. So even if/when the league is back and the cap should be like $140 Million, it'd be like $120 Million to make up for these years. I think we'll see:

2020: $109M (-$8M)
2021: $112M (-$13M)
2022: $117M (-$14M)
2023: $127M (probably around -$9M)

The losses are compared to the projections from the Capulator. The faster things get back to normal, the better deal the owners will get.

8sy21vd

11-18-2020, 12:18 PM

Dumping or keeping Forbes is the difference between an A or F off season. Seriously though, I would prefer they move either Demar or LMA so the younger players can develop and build confidence and draft a big, athletic wing. I see no practical reason to run it back in hopes of squeezing into the 7th-10th seed. Pick a direction fans can get excited about.

John B

11-18-2020, 12:42 PM

GS and PHI hasn't made a trade yet so we are still good. Harden being available might have stalled all trades now.

https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2020/11/18/21573391/warriors-bulls-wendell-carter-jr-nba-draft-trade

According to a report from Kevin O’Connor (https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1329052634234417153) of The Ringer, the Warriors (https://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/golden-state-warriors) have been in discussions with the Chicago Bulls (https://www.blogabull.com/) about a draft day trade. The trade centers around the Warriors sending the No. 2 pick to Chicago in exchange for the No. 4 pick and big man Wendell Carter Jr. (https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/299872/wendell-carter-jr)
The report was confirmed by Connor Letourneau, the Warriors beat reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle, who noted that the Dubs would likely then use the No. 4 pick on Deni Avdija or Tyrese Haliburton.

There goes our chance on Wiseman :wtf

slick'81

11-18-2020, 12:52 PM

A
https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2020/11/18/21573391/warriors-bulls-wendell-carter-jr-nba-draft-trade

According to a report from Kevin O’Connor (https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1329052634234417153) of The Ringer, the Warriors (https://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/golden-state-warriors) have been in discussions with the Chicago Bulls (https://www.blogabull.com/) about a draft day trade. The trade centers around the Warriors sending the No. 2 pick to Chicago in exchange for the No. 4 pick and big man Wendell Carter Jr. (https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/299872/wendell-carter-jr)
The report was confirmed by Connor Letourneau, the Warriors beat reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle, who noted that the Dubs would likely then use the No. 4 pick on Deni Avdija or Tyrese Haliburton.

There goes our chance on Wiseman :wtf

:lol Spur fans thinking the number two pick was theres. Getting that pick for lma was a long shot anyway

John B

11-18-2020, 01:11 PM

A

:lol Spur fans thinking the number two pick was theres. Getting that pick for lma was a long shot anyway

Spurs had the worst percentage but landed Duncan. So pipe down and let this fan have his fun :lol

Maddog

11-18-2020, 01:24 PM

https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2020/11/18/21573391/warriors-bulls-wendell-carter-jr-nba-draft-trade

According to a report from Kevin O’Connor (https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1329052634234417153) of The Ringer, the Warriors (https://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/golden-state-warriors) have been in discussions with the Chicago Bulls (https://www.blogabull.com/) about a draft day trade. The trade centers around the Warriors sending the No. 2 pick to Chicago in exchange for the No. 4 pick and big man Wendell Carter Jr. (https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/299872/wendell-carter-jr)
The report was confirmed by Connor Letourneau, the Warriors beat reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle, who noted that the Dubs would likely then use the No. 4 pick on Deni Avdija or Tyrese Haliburton.

There goes our chance on Wiseman :wtf

A

:lol Spur fans thinking the number two pick was theres. Getting that pick for lma was a long shot anyway

I was never convinced there was anything to these trade rumors. Do I think the Spurs are shopping LMA, DDR and who knows whom else, absolutely.
Unfortunately, LMA is35 coming off an injury and DDR's game doesn't fit with most teams.
I'm going to be a bit of an apologist, but come tomorrow, I suspect a large portion of this board will be complaining about PATFO not doing anything. I suspect this is not for lack of trying.

slick'81

11-18-2020, 01:24 PM

Spurs had the worst percentage but landed Duncan. So pipe down and let this fan have his fun :lol

Hey man hope is all we spurs fans have left. Have at it:tu

John B

11-18-2020, 01:31 PM

I was never convinced there was anything to these trade rumors. Do I think the Spurs are shopping LMA, DDR and who knows whom else, absolutely.
Unfortunately, LMA is35 coming off an injury and DDR's game doesn't fit with most teams.
I'm going to be a bit of an apologist, but come tomorrow, I suspect a large portion of this board will be complaining about PATFO not doing anything. I suspect this is not for lack of trying.

Watching how the Spurs showed up in the Bubble makes me think LMA's services are numbered (likewise the experiment on unathletic shooters). That said, I think PATFO is excited to part ways with LMA and give this rebuilding a chance.
LMA and #11 to get Wiseman or WCJ as future Spurs big would be great
And if lucky, Demar plus future picks to get Deni Avidja, would be icing on the cake.

Hey it's a pipe dream, but there you go :hungry:

spurspl

11-18-2020, 01:41 PM

bulls would be idiots if the gave up wcj and 4 to move up just 2 spots...

TheCerebral1

11-18-2020, 01:45 PM

Let's talk about getting rid of trash off this roster. This shows you that neither player is all that valuable; Holiday nets 3 firsts. Sign me up for firsts in multiple years for DeRozan or Aldridge.

exstatic

11-18-2020, 01:47 PM

DPG21920

11-18-2020, 01:58 PM

I was never convinced there was anything to these trade rumors. Do I think the Spurs are shopping LMA, DDR and who knows whom else, absolutely.
Unfortunately, LMA is35 coming off an injury and DDR's game doesn't fit with most teams.
I'm going to be a bit of an apologist, but come tomorrow, I suspect a large portion of this board will be complaining about PATFO not doing anything. I suspect this is not for lack of trying.

Agree. Sometimes trades don’t happen because it takes 2 to tango. However, it paints a damning picture of what this front office has done and the roster they built if that is true. To be so devoid of assets and to even in a sellers market not be able to find + value for the supposed “Stars” you chose?

Wow.

DPG21920

11-18-2020, 02:02 PM

I definitely think LMA to POR is still on the table and makes tons of sense.

1) Whiteside is likely gone and walking for nothing which is a void they need to fill.
2) Besides just filling a void, it’s clear POR needs to actually improve; not just fill voids.
3) LMA and Dame clearly are ok with a reunion and it would look really good on SA and fits with their MO on being player friendly if they worked with LMA on a trade that gets him somewhere he is comfortable.
4) If Whiteside was willing to agree to a S&T POR has enough youth and picks to make a deal work
5) LMA not only boosts POR chances, but they wont have to give up any core (Dame,CJ, Nurk, Covington)
6) There is probably at least a small premium right now with how whacky this season is and shortened camps/practice on familiarity. POR getting LMA is an advantage since he’s not just any player; he’s someone the coach and stars at least know which should help acclimation.

It makes sense on many levels. Big IF is whether or not Whiteside would agree to basically a large 1 year deal (S&T has to be 3, but only 1 year guaranteed) and be willing to test FA next year in a better market.

R. DeMurre

11-18-2020, 02:03 PM

https://pippenainteasy.com/2020/04/02/chicago-bulls-wendell-carter-jr-openly-requests-position-change-power-forward/

Wendell Carter has asked Chicago to let him play PF rather than C... that could be part of the reason the Bulls are interested in moving him.

mo7888

11-18-2020, 02:12 PM

DPG21920

11-18-2020, 02:14 PM

POR would be a threat to Lakers and GS if they did that i believe. What assets other than Whiteside would you see coming back in such a move?

Zach Collins (still on rookie scale, not overly impressive, but at least a position of need and youngish) + a first

mo7888

11-18-2020, 02:18 PM

Zach Collins (still on rookie scale, not overly impressive, but at least a position of need and youngish) + a first

I'd do that if one of the better trades was off the table. Then I'd try and move DDR and Gay and call it a day.

DPG21920

11-18-2020, 02:20 PM

I'd do that if one of the better trades was off the table. Then I'd try and move DDR and Gay and call it a day.

Yup. Mills moved too if possible.

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11-18-2020, 02:20 PM

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TimDunkem

11-18-2020, 02:21 PM

Yup. Mills moved too if possible.

:lmao

Prime BEEF

11-18-2020, 02:24 PM

Hey man hope is all we spurs fans have left. Have at it:tu
Exactly. Hope is all Spurs fans have. And that hope won’t be crushed until later tonight. So have fun until it’s completely crushed later today.

Mugen

11-18-2020, 02:31 PM

Maddog

11-18-2020, 02:56 PM

Agree. Sometimes trades don’t happen because it takes 2 to tango. However, it paints a damning picture of what this front office has done and the roster they built if that is true. To be so devoid of assets and to even in a sellers market not be able to find + value for the supposed “Stars” you chose?

Wow.

I'm a bit more meh.. or less critical.
I file it under $&@* happens. If you've been drafting in the mid to late 20s for nearly two decades, not a FA destination and not have the financial capability to go way over the cap, you're not going to have resources.
My only real complaint is they didn't go full rebuild when Uncle/Neph pulled their shenanigans.

DPG21920

11-18-2020, 02:57 PM

I'm a bit more meh.. or less critical.
I file it under $&@* happens. If you've been drafting in the mid to late 20s for nearly two decades, not a FA destination and not have the financial capability to go way over the cap, you're not going to have resources.
My only real complaint is they didn't go full rebuild when Uncle/Neph pulled their shenanigans.

Pau (mis read market), Mills deal, Beli (not his deal but wasted roster spot), taking DeRozan etc..all things SA did to themselves that have put them there.

Having said that, yeah, I believe they are definitely trying and it is what it is.

Gibbz

11-18-2020, 03:00 PM

RC_Drunkford

11-18-2020, 03:04 PM

The reason why trades don’t happen is cause PATFO is asking for too much in return. That’s all. They can definitely make moves if they wanted to. They just idiots who overrate their own garbage

DPG21920

11-18-2020, 03:05 PM

IF, the Spurs would take Wiggins and include the #11 with Aldridge for #2, Golden State would be fucking nuts not to jump on the deal. You get rid of the biggest albatross contract in the NBA and add a borderline AS with just one year remaining on his deal at their biggest position of need, and you STILL draft in the lottery in a draft where no one knows who's any good or not. It would put GS in a spot where they could absolutely contend for a ring with health, and if it doesn't work Aldridge's money comes off the books after one season.

For sure. They could get LMA, improve their team, shed a really bad contract and still get the better player in the draft :lol. I mean there is absolutely minimal risk here and 95% upside for GS.

SA should be the ones weary here if anything.

Robz4000

11-18-2020, 03:06 PM

The reason why trades don’t happen is cause PATFO is asking for too much in return. That’s all. They can definitely make moves if they wanted to. They just idiots who overrate their own garbage

Could also be teams trying to milk the Spurs for all they're worth considering the awful decisions they've made the past few years.

slick'81

11-18-2020, 03:06 PM

Gibbz

11-18-2020, 03:07 PM

For sure. They could get LMA, improve their team, shed a really bad contract and still get the better player in the draft :lol. I mean there is absolutely minimal risk here and 95% upside for GS.

SA should be the ones weary here if anything.

Exactly. The only reason this would even seem favorable as a Spurs fan is if you trust PATFO absolutely loves one player in particular at #2. Otherwise it looks like shit.

Gibbz

11-18-2020, 03:08 PM

Yet warriors arent pulling the trigger

Let them get bounced in the first round of the playoffs while a rookie Wiseman plays 15 MPG, then.

DPG21920

11-18-2020, 03:12 PM

Yet warriors arent pulling the trigger

There is no need to just yet. Make sure nothing better comes along.

DPG21920

11-18-2020, 03:13 PM

Exactly. The only reason this would even seem favorable as a Spurs fan is if you trust PATFO absolutely loves one player in particular at #2. Otherwise it looks like shit.

Reports: GS “infatuated with Deni”

GS unloads Wiggins + #2 for LMA and #11 and gets LMA + Deni at 11 :lol

slick'81

11-18-2020, 03:16 PM

Exactly. The only reason this would even seem favorable as a Spurs fan is if you trust PATFO absolutely loves one player in particular at #2. Otherwise it looks like shit.

is wiseman that good?

Shakril

11-18-2020, 03:20 PM

Its official: Qualifying Offers for - Poeltl, Eubanks and Weatherspoon. Nothing surprising, but it also shows, that Spurs want to keep Poeltl. Otherwise they could have just let him go.

cjw

11-18-2020, 03:27 PM

Its official: Qualifying Offers for - Poeltl, Eubanks and Weatherspoon. Nothing surprising, but it also shows, that Spurs want to keep Poeltl. Otherwise they could have just let him go.

Poeltl isn’t signing his qualifying offer anyway, so it doesn’t mean that they want to keep him. They’re just keeping the option open. Can rescind at any time.

Shakril

11-18-2020, 03:30 PM

Poeltl isn’t signing his qualifying offer anyway, so it doesn’t mean that they want to keep him. They’re just keeping the option open. Can rescind at any time.

It is not about him signing, but that the Spurs are making him a Restricted Free Agent. Means, as long as he does not get too high of an offer, Spurs can match it anytime.

Dejounte

11-18-2020, 03:31 PM

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1329153331240071168?s=19

Dejounte

11-18-2020, 03:50 PM

Can someone explain QO's? Are they for sure to be with the Spurs for next season because they extended it?

Gibbz

11-18-2020, 03:52 PM

Can someone explain QO's? Are they for sure to be with the Spurs for next season because they extended it?

QO's make the player a restricted free agent. Any team can then offer a contract to the player, and the Spurs have the option to match any deal to automatically keep them in SA should they so please.

Dejounte

11-18-2020, 04:00 PM

QO's make the player a restricted free agent. Any team can then offer a contract to the player, and the Spurs have the option to match any deal to automatically keep them in SA should they so please.

So this confirms theyll be back.

Mugen

11-18-2020, 04:01 PM

So this confirms theyll be back.

Not if the Spurs choose not to match a contract offer from another team.

DPG21920

11-18-2020, 04:02 PM

So this confirms theyll be back.

Not at all. It only confirms SA can bring them back if they desire. But if they are only willing to pay Jakob 8M per year and some team offers say 12M per year, they can elect not to match that and he will be gone.

Gibbz

11-18-2020, 04:03 PM

So this confirms theyll be back.

It depends on the amount of money other teams offer them. There won't be a market for Quinn or Eubanks, but there could possibly be a small market for Poeltl. If for some reason another team is enamored with Poeltl they could overpay him and the Spurs wouldn't want to match. In simple terms, the ball is in SA's court. They can choose to match, or not match, any contract offers for the three of them this offseason.

K...

11-18-2020, 04:03 PM

Can't the player also accept the qo, poertle won't, but eubanks and witherspoon could

DPG21920

11-18-2020, 04:05 PM

Can't the player also accept the qo, poertle won't, but eubanks and witherspoon could

That is correct. We’ve seen it before. Players accept the QO offer and then get to unrestricted free agency the following season.

Dejounte

11-18-2020, 04:06 PM

Not at all. It only confirms SA can bring them back if they desire. But if they are only willing to pay Jakob 8M per year and some team offers say 12M per year, they can elect not to match that and he will be gone.

Yeah, but if no one offers to pay them higher, theyll be back?

DPG21920

11-18-2020, 04:07 PM

Yeah, but if no one offers to pay them higher, theyll be back?

Most likely yes. SA can rescind the offer as well technically, but most likely if no one offers higher they will be back. Many times, teams don’t make an actual offer above what the QO has to be. They simply tell the player, go get an offer from another team and we will match that market value.

Poeltl’s QO was 5M (so 1 year, 5M)

Shakril

11-18-2020, 04:07 PM

So this confirms theyll be back.

Eubanks and Quinn yes. But with Poeltl it depends on the offers he maybe gets. SA wants to hold him, but not at all cost.

Dejounte

11-18-2020, 04:08 PM

Most likely yes. SA can rescind the offer as well technically, but most likely if no one offers higher they will be back. Many times, teams don’t make an actual offer above what the QO has to be. They simply tell the player, go get an offer from another team and we will match that market value.

If Poetl (along with Eubanks) is back then that gets very interesting if we draft a big.

Chinook

11-18-2020, 04:14 PM

Can someone explain QO's? Are they for sure to be with the Spurs for next season because they extended it?

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q42

It's a couple of paragraphs into that section. Basically Eubanks has a partially guaranteed one-year deal, and Quinn has a guaranteed two-way deal if they sign.

Mal

11-18-2020, 04:19 PM

What the latests rumours ? Spurs making a move ?

TD 21

11-18-2020, 05:09 PM

If he would commit to being a stretch 5, then that would make sense. He moved in that direction some, yes, but I’m not convinced he will fully embrace it. He still hasn’t.

The thing is, he's the best player on the team and the team isn't good. It's one thing to alter your game for DeRozan, a 4 year younger pseudo star, but a largely unproven role player like Murray, too?

Put him on a good team and I don't think he'd have much of an issue with altering his approach at this point in his career.

Dejounte

11-18-2020, 05:25 PM

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1329188492912578568?s=19

rankingtear

11-18-2020, 05:25 PM

1329188492912578568

Ouch. Liked Horford for us.

Seventyniner

11-18-2020, 05:27 PM

:lol more picks for OC. What are they going to do, start their own expansion team?

Dancelot

11-18-2020, 05:28 PM

Leave it to the kings to not understand how a sign and trade works

DPG21920

11-18-2020, 05:30 PM

Say what you will about what happened with KD/WB/Harden. Since then Presti is lapping other teams. NEVER LEAVE MEAT ON THE BONE.

Leetonidas

11-18-2020, 05:31 PM

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1329188492912578568?s=19

Wait til sixers fans realize he forgot how to shoot :lol

BG_Spurs_Fan

11-18-2020, 05:32 PM

Don't like this deal for the Thunder at all. Should have got more for taking on that contract. Also, it's not like Horford and Adams can play together. More trades coming up for them.

DPG21920

11-18-2020, 05:33 PM

Like Al Horford is not an awful player. No one wants LMA or Derozan who are actually good and have no risk deals??

GB20

11-18-2020, 05:34 PM

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1329188492912578568?s=19
How many more picks does Oklahoma need? Are they selling the team?

Nivek_ogre

11-18-2020, 05:35 PM

Great deal for philly. Getting an expiring contract in exchange for that awful horford deal.

DPG21920

11-18-2020, 05:35 PM

Don't like this deal for the Thunder at all. Should have got more for taking on that contract. Also, it's not like Horford and Adams can play together. More trades coming up for them.

When they trade Adam’s it’s like taking on 2 extra years so not a huge deal especially with their empty cap space and tons of picks to move him later if needed. Plus he’s better than Adam’s and they want to be a playoff team while rebuilding